:00:31. > :00:34.firepower to win the military battle against Hamas, as it lost the battle
:00:35. > :00:42.for international support? Does that matter?
:00:43. > :00:48.Russia appears unimpressed with further Western sanctions and in an
:00:49. > :00:49.otherwise grim Newsweek, does the prospect of a driverless car cheered
:00:50. > :01:09.you up? In the 1960s and 1970s Israel had
:01:10. > :01:12.the reputation in many western countries as a plucky nation
:01:13. > :01:16.of settlers who made the desert and democracy bloom in hostile soil,
:01:17. > :01:20.attracting Jewish and many non` Jewish volunteers from around the
:01:21. > :01:22.world to work on kibbutzes. Now, with nightly news reports showing
:01:23. > :01:25.hundreds upon hundreds of dead Palestinian civilians, including
:01:26. > :01:27.many women and children, in Gaza, how far is Israel's image now one
:01:28. > :01:30.of a regional bully? How far is this an excuse
:01:31. > :01:32.for anti`semitism? And how far will it result
:01:33. > :01:53.in new pressures when they are engaged in military
:01:54. > :01:55.activity there is a reaction across the world, which often criticises
:01:56. > :02:00.them for the image is a reaction across the world, which often
:02:01. > :02:03.criticises them for the images seen operation it has actually been the
:02:04. > :02:08.case that many world leaders have stood behind Israel's right to
:02:09. > :02:12.defend itself against what is essentially a jihadi threats coming
:02:13. > :02:19.out of Gaza. I think that has been played out across the world, maybe a
:02:20. > :02:25.greater appreciation the fact that Hamas ribs `` represents a local
:02:26. > :02:28.branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. This seems to be this growing
:02:29. > :02:32.realisation among the leadership of the world that Israel may have a
:02:33. > :02:37.justified case here. In terms of people around the world,
:02:38. > :02:44.people who have expressed opinions, there is one interesting example of
:02:45. > :02:48.who are the world 's greatest troublemakers? Israel now comes near
:02:49. > :02:52.the bottom of the list. Whatever the official line is from many
:02:53. > :02:54.governments, that is the way many people, particularly in Europe,
:02:55. > :02:58.feel. There is an old saying that Israel
:02:59. > :03:02.is not part of the problem, it is part of the solution. I think that
:03:03. > :03:07.is generally the mood in Israel. They are on the front line in this
:03:08. > :03:10.battle against Paddy 's. They are not just fighting beat terror
:03:11. > :03:18.rockets that came out of Gaza, put there by Hamas, but Israel has also
:03:19. > :03:21.discovered during this engagement is that there are terror tunnels
:03:22. > :03:27.underneath the border going into and near Israeli villages. Really, what
:03:28. > :03:30.they're hoping, is that the world will think about how it would be if
:03:31. > :03:34.they looks out on to their own gardens and imagined jihadis coming
:03:35. > :03:37.out of a tunnel in their own village, kidnapping children,
:03:38. > :03:40.killing families, as we saw them do with the family on the West Bank not
:03:41. > :03:45.that long ago. We have seen inside these tunnels with the information
:03:46. > :03:47.revealing that there is chloroform and anaesthetic in there for the
:03:48. > :03:54.people they have kidnapped. We have seen it happen with the potential
:03:55. > :03:58.capture of an Israeli soldier. You worked with the UN in helping
:03:59. > :04:03.Palestinian refugees in dire situations. Do you accept that Hamas
:04:04. > :04:08.does not do the Palestinian cause any favours by the use of rockets
:04:09. > :04:11.and by some of the activities that some of their supporters invasion?
:04:12. > :04:19.According to the information available, the vast majority of
:04:20. > :04:26.Palestinians inside Gaza do not necessarily supports Hamas. Hamas is
:04:27. > :04:33.a group, a Muslim client group, but the current war is not, as Jonathan
:04:34. > :04:38.suggested, a war against jihadis. You have a couple of thousand of
:04:39. > :04:44.Hamas members in Gaza but the people who are killed or children, women,
:04:45. > :05:00.75%, according to the United Nations, are civilians. It is not
:05:01. > :05:08.really a war, war is the wrong words to describe what is happening. This
:05:09. > :05:18.is an aggression against any kind of solution. You cannot solve the
:05:19. > :05:23.Palestinian problem in this way. The government finds itself in a trap of
:05:24. > :05:29.its own making. It's a trap because they want out, they don't know how
:05:30. > :05:34.to get out. There is nowhere to move `` no way to move forward. Israel
:05:35. > :05:39.cannot win this war. The Palestinians cannot lose this war
:05:40. > :05:44.because the Palestinians in Gaza are also in a trap. They have nowhere
:05:45. > :05:51.else to go. Now Israel has decided to extend the buffer zone to three
:05:52. > :05:59.kilometres around the strip. That makes the territorial 20% less than
:06:00. > :06:05.it was originally. In this trip, you have 1,800,000 people living. Now
:06:06. > :06:14.they have smaller geographic areas to live in. You have 4,500 people in
:06:15. > :06:19.one square metre. That is the largest, the most dense population
:06:20. > :06:31.on earth. This is going to be a lot more. I went to a kibbutz in 1982.
:06:32. > :06:36.The day before I got there, the invasion of Lebanon started. For
:06:37. > :06:39.people of my generation, we were the generation brought up in the
:06:40. > :06:44.post`war error and have this rather idealised vision of pioneering
:06:45. > :06:49.countries. I think the tragedy that began in 1982, which has been played
:06:50. > :06:52.out so extremely now, is seeing this extraordinary leaders proportionate
:06:53. > :06:56.response by Israel which is so negative in trying to find a
:06:57. > :07:00.solution. I think the tragedy is, of course, Israel has a right to defend
:07:01. > :07:04.itself and Israel is still a democracy, but this is so
:07:05. > :07:07.disproportionate. They are committing these atrocities day
:07:08. > :07:11.after day. It is also so self`defeating because they're doing
:07:12. > :07:17.is up Hamas. A lot of the tunnels have been closed by Egypt. Ten mac
:07:18. > :07:20.was a force which was much weaker and was struggling. All Israel has
:07:21. > :07:26.done is strengthen them. They have elevated global opinion, alienating
:07:27. > :07:33.Arab opinion and put off a solution. I think that is the real tragedy.
:07:34. > :07:39.Stephanie? This is the deadliest most prolonged war in Gaza since
:07:40. > :07:43.Israel withdrew in 2005. It has been a lettings utility for John Kerry,
:07:44. > :07:46.Secretary of State, who over the past 18 months in his role has
:07:47. > :07:50.thrown himself into crisis after crisis will stop he has achieved
:07:51. > :07:54.very little in the way of breakthrough, except for perhaps the
:07:55. > :07:58.Syria chemical weapons are caught. He made 100 phone calls trying to
:07:59. > :08:04.broker a cease`fire and it is hard to see how that can resume `` how
:08:05. > :08:07.peace talks can resume, given the capture of this Israeli soldier, or
:08:08. > :08:12.potential capture of this Israeli soldier. I think, this time, the
:08:13. > :08:17.conflict in Gaza is different to the one in 2009 or 2012. The region has
:08:18. > :08:24.changed and the original power brokers have changed. Egypt has, is
:08:25. > :08:33.loath to be seen to be helping Hamas because of its connections with the
:08:34. > :08:37.Muslim Brotherhood. Hamas has gone under a leadership change of its
:08:38. > :08:40.own, it has a younger leader. The previous leadership in Qatar which
:08:41. > :08:45.punched above its weight in terms of mediating regional conflicts, that
:08:46. > :08:48.has not changed. It is hard to see how this is going to play out.
:08:49. > :08:51.has not changed. It is hard to see how this Looking at the way Israel
:08:52. > :08:55.has conducted itself officially in the past week or two, I am struck by
:08:56. > :08:58.something that the Israeli statesman said many years ago about the
:08:59. > :09:03.Palestinians. Surely this applies to Israel now, you never miss an
:09:04. > :09:08.opportunity to miss an opportunity. Hamas was weakened, as Ian has
:09:09. > :09:11.rightly sad. It has very few Arab friends among Arab governments. What
:09:12. > :09:16.a chance to make peace with a unified Palestinian leadership
:09:17. > :09:20.Israel has buttoned it. I think that is a harsh suggestion that Israel
:09:21. > :09:25.blew this. John Kerry's record in making peace in the Middle East has
:09:26. > :09:28.not been exactly. If we look at picking apart some of what we have
:09:29. > :09:33.just heard, Hamas is severely weakens now. It has an enormous
:09:34. > :09:40.weapons by that have `` if weapons apply has been depleted. That's why
:09:41. > :09:44.it... It was not we did enough to stop the thousands of rockets that
:09:45. > :09:46.still entered into Israel. People sometimes feel that there is some
:09:47. > :09:50.sort of disproportionality about what is going on now, which is
:09:51. > :09:54.because most of those attacks on Israel are not reported because they
:09:55. > :09:58.do not result in deaths. We see pictures of dead Palestinian
:09:59. > :10:05.children. That is because Israel has spent millions investing in weapons
:10:06. > :10:07.defence systems. With Islamist and Hadi opponents of Israel, as soon as
:10:08. > :10:12.one method is mastered, they develop one method is mastered, they develop
:10:13. > :10:18.another. These terror tunnels, the Telegraph said the other day that
:10:19. > :10:21.they were developed... To think that jihadis could be literally coming
:10:22. > :10:28.out of tunnels in people's villages and homes, kidnapping and torturing
:10:29. > :10:32.people, a plan that they... Not talking about moral equivalence
:10:33. > :10:35.Israeli soldiers blowing up Israeli soldiers blowing up
:10:36. > :10:38.Palestinian homes. I think what we're seeing on the news here is
:10:39. > :10:42.different to what we're seeing an Israeli news, weather cover things
:10:43. > :10:46.more detail. I think the news reporting here is slowly coming out
:10:47. > :10:50.that I get is influenced by the ability of journalists in doubt that
:10:51. > :10:53.is big freely. We have seen a Russian journalist kicked out of
:10:54. > :10:57.Gaza for mentioning and showing a picture on Twitter of where rocket
:10:58. > :11:00.launchers were. We have seen Washington Post journalist and Wall
:11:01. > :11:05.Street Journal journalists, French newspaper journalists, all of them,
:11:06. > :11:08.and the journalists in Gaza have criticised Hamas fighters, they have
:11:09. > :11:13.been intimidated, their families have been threatened. That is why
:11:14. > :11:15.people here do not understand the personality of this. If they knew
:11:16. > :11:20.more about it they would change their views? The story about the
:11:21. > :11:25.rockets fired at Israel, and the point about jihadis, that is an
:11:26. > :11:32.excellent spin on the side of Israeli spokesman. They all think
:11:33. > :11:43.the same song. They talk about that. These are primitive rockets. They're
:11:44. > :11:50.not. The guns of America supplied Israel, it protects Israel out of
:11:51. > :11:59.the `` how many of the rockets hit targets? That ludicrous. The Israeli
:12:00. > :12:03.aggression against the Palestinian people, I'm not saying against
:12:04. > :12:13.Hamas, the reason for that is that none of the rockets... Five years
:12:14. > :12:16.ago, the similar aggression was, 15 years ago another aggression. There
:12:17. > :12:27.were no rockets. The rockets point is really meaningless. Let him
:12:28. > :12:32.finish. One more points. The other side of things, this is Benjamin
:12:33. > :12:44.Netanyahu's ward. He wants to score some points for eternal political
:12:45. > :12:50.gain. `` his war. His policy is hurting Jews everywhere in the
:12:51. > :12:55.world. There has been some fairly disgraceful anti`Semitic things said
:12:56. > :13:00.in Western European countries as a result of this. Do you think, do you
:13:01. > :13:04.see that as a direct consequence and something particularly nasty in
:13:05. > :13:10.Western Europe, or will it fade when this crisis goes away? I think there
:13:11. > :13:18.rise in anti`Semitism. I think that rise in anti`Semitism. I think that
:13:19. > :13:20.can be a distraction is certainly an issue. Has been a
:13:21. > :13:45.rise in anti`Semitism. I from the core issue, which is that Israel is
:13:46. > :13:47.acting in this extraordinarily disproportionate manner. There where
:13:48. > :13:48.rocket attacks and Israel does have rocket attacks and
:13:49. > :13:49.the right to defend itself. The the right to defend itself. The
:13:50. > :13:50.hugely since the attack started. All hugely since the attack started. All
:13:51. > :13:51.enemies, the most militant forces in enemies, the most militant forces in
:13:52. > :13:51.Gaza, they have terrorised a group of people who were
:13:52. > :13:52.prisons in an area they cannot flee prisons in an area they cannot flee
:13:53. > :13:52.from. The worst thing of all is the from. The worst thing of all is the
:13:53. > :13:52.fact that the solution is so much fact that the solution is so
:13:53. > :13:53.further away. With every day that further away. With every day that
:13:54. > :13:54.continue to sort of people, they're continue to sort
:13:55. > :13:54.making that solution harder for making that solution harder
:13:55. > :13:55.themselves. It is totally themselves. It is totally
:13:56. > :13:59.self`defeating. Let's move on. The victim of this war is the peace
:14:00. > :14:23.solution for the Palestinian people. Let's move on. Is putting rusting ``
:14:24. > :14:33.risking Russian's economic future? Do you think he cares about economic
:14:34. > :14:33.West? Ella M I think he does care. West? Ella M I think he does care.
:14:34. > :14:42.But will the factions changes behaviour? Active the answer is no.
:14:43. > :14:48.He is in a fight for political survival within Russia. He has fans
:14:49. > :14:56.the flames of Russian nationalism. There is no face`saving way for him
:14:57. > :14:59.to climb down. He has huge public support as a result of his actions
:15:00. > :15:09.in Crimea. I think his statements this week were essentially, we don't
:15:10. > :15:15.care. This will give us an opportunity to develop industries
:15:16. > :15:18.that we had not developed because of the open economy. This will give us
:15:19. > :15:21.another opportunity to forge closer relations with China. I think that
:15:22. > :15:23.is somewhat short`sighted, very short`sighted, because Russian
:15:24. > :15:25.companies have got used to raising billions of dollars in Western
:15:26. > :15:27.capital markets. We reported this week that for state`controlled banks
:15:28. > :15:30.in Russia have $15 billion worth of bonds maturing in the next three
:15:31. > :15:35.years, denominated in euros, dollars and Swiss francs. They will have a
:15:36. > :15:41.hard time repaying that that unless they can access Western capital
:15:42. > :15:46.markets. I think it is a real, the sanctions, let's remember that the
:15:47. > :15:50.sanctions do not target Russian oil exports. There is still further that
:15:51. > :15:56.the West can go on this. There is a degree of self harm coming out. Once
:15:57. > :16:04.you start targeting export of energy, you are also targeting
:16:05. > :16:12.customers. Writes, and Germany does not want bad. I think the sanctions
:16:13. > :16:21.are a real turning point. We have diplomats saying that this is not a
:16:22. > :16:23.new Cold War but it really looks like one from the outside. It brings
:16:24. > :16:23.bringing Russia into the fold, bringing Russia into the fold,
:16:24. > :16:25.bringing it, integrating Russia's bringing it, integrating Russia's
:16:26. > :16:32.economy into the West. It is very hard to see, with Britain still in
:16:33. > :16:42.control, it looks like it would be there for the foreseeable future
:16:43. > :16:47.digging his heels in. You have been reporting from the Ukraine, for 200
:16:48. > :16:53.years, the enigma of Russia has been, how European are you? Perhaps
:16:54. > :16:59.the answer is, not very. The West has been very slow to realise the
:17:00. > :17:03.real nature of the regime of Vladimir Putin, he has been thuggish
:17:04. > :17:12.from the beginning, a gangster. The first annexation of Europe `` when
:17:13. > :17:15.you see the annexation of Crimea, the first annexation in Europe since
:17:16. > :17:20.1945, there was a slap on the wrist, nothing more. Even the sanctions are
:17:21. > :17:22.pretty mild, long`term the sanctions are pretty mild, long`term effects
:17:23. > :17:27.will not be felt for a while. They have not targeted some of the key
:17:28. > :17:31.people: Roman Abramovich, still doing as he pleases. Some of the
:17:32. > :17:35.leading Russian dissidents, the very few remaining, have suggested, and
:17:36. > :17:38.there is a lot more that should be done. The trouble is that the
:17:39. > :17:42.reaction has been typically Vladimir Putin, he has ramped up support
:17:43. > :17:46.since the shooting down of the airliner and now we have a situation
:17:47. > :17:49.where there is close to full scale war going on with Donetsk being
:17:50. > :17:56.ripped apart and very obvious Russian supplied people involved in
:17:57. > :18:01.it. Russians targeting it. It is very difficult to see where we go
:18:02. > :18:05.from this. And yet we still allow France to sell naval warships, we
:18:06. > :18:12.are not targeting the people that would hurt now. This is not really
:18:13. > :18:15.going to work at the moment I think. When you are up against somebody
:18:16. > :18:23.like Vladimir Putin, you have got to do sanctions effectively and hard.
:18:24. > :18:24.Europe, although they have imposed slightly stronger sanctions than
:18:25. > :18:29.Europe, Europe is so divided, they Europe, Europe is so divided, they
:18:30. > :18:39.are not fit to respond to this threat. That in Putin, when he went
:18:40. > :18:44.into East Ukraine, back Crimea, it is a very complicated issue, based
:18:45. > :18:49.on trade and economy. I find it extremely difficult for you to apply
:18:50. > :18:53.sanctions, 100%, because it is self hurting. That is one thing. The
:18:54. > :19:00.other thing, I have just read in fact before I came here, now the
:19:01. > :19:10.Russians have stopped importing Polish apples! That is worth 1
:19:11. > :19:17.billion euros every year. In GDP terms this is not a lot, but it
:19:18. > :19:22.would represent 1% of GDP. Presumably significant for some
:19:23. > :19:26.Polish farmers. And if we go down this route, trade war, a lot of
:19:27. > :19:32.people will be hurt in Europe, before they get hurt in Russia.
:19:33. > :19:36.There is a theme, which many people have explored, a lack of Western
:19:37. > :19:42.leadership and coherent my whole range of things, do see that? That
:19:43. > :19:45.is correct and we are seeing their reaction to the withdrawal of
:19:46. > :19:49.America in international affairs on the same scale used to experience.
:19:50. > :19:54.Vladimir Putin saw that and he has seen the reaction to the Ukraine
:19:55. > :19:57.situation, Ukraine did not have a unified foreign policy by any
:19:58. > :20:02.stretch of the imagination. `` Europe did not have. When we take a
:20:03. > :20:10.look wider view we should look at this, it is not just about Vladimir
:20:11. > :20:14.Putin, although that is a big part of the problem, but in Donetsk there
:20:15. > :20:19.is a Russian speaking population and there is some genuine urges for some
:20:20. > :20:22.level of autonomy. During the European football Championships
:20:23. > :20:25.hosted there, you would go to Donetsk and there will be huge
:20:26. > :20:30.proportions of the population cheering on Russia. That is part of
:20:31. > :20:34.the problem. By making this totally black and white, goodies and
:20:35. > :20:39.baddies, that is often the way we see things covered in today's news,
:20:40. > :20:42.we are ignoring a real problem. Just because people speak Russian, that
:20:43. > :20:48.does not mean that they want to be part of Russia. The party that
:20:49. > :20:54.stiffer Russian unity in Crimea got 4% of the vote in the election.
:20:55. > :20:57.There is a huge difference between people having sympathy and support
:20:58. > :21:02.and being supportive of Russian people and family ties, and actually
:21:03. > :21:07.wanting to join Russia and wanting to leave Ukraine, and also wanting
:21:08. > :21:10.to abandon the modern democratic European ideal in favour of
:21:11. > :21:27.authoritarian regime of Vladimir Putin.
:21:28. > :21:30.In the Dateline London weekly search for something to cheer us all up
:21:31. > :21:33.it clearly was not going to be the Ebola outbreak in west Africa,
:21:34. > :21:35.or the mess of the Argentine economy we settled
:21:36. > :21:38.on the idea that driverless cars could be in our future.
:21:39. > :21:41.Is that something which does cheer up our distinguished panel or
:21:42. > :21:44.like me do they feel there is something a bit weird about moving
:21:45. > :21:49.It is similar to the way that we were uncomfortable putting credit
:21:50. > :21:52.card details online to buy things, we will slowly get used to this idea
:21:53. > :21:57.but it raises a lot of very interesting issues about, these cars
:21:58. > :22:03.will be powered largely by the Internet, so what if the Internet
:22:04. > :22:08.breaks down! LAUGHTER There is the question of who is
:22:09. > :22:12.liable? In an accident, is it the Internet service provider? And then
:22:13. > :22:18.you had the FBI warning that driverless cars represent a threat,
:22:19. > :22:22.because of the possibility of hacking attacks, and driverless cars
:22:23. > :22:28.being used as getaway vehicles... LAUGHTER
:22:29. > :22:36.We could take this lightly too far, I was more worried about the cat in
:22:37. > :22:42.the road! Are you terrified by the prospect? I am all in favour, most
:22:43. > :22:48.crashes are caused by human error, I like being able to read a book or
:22:49. > :22:53.whatever... You could even send a text message, legally. It is all
:22:54. > :22:57.great, it will be driven by insurers wanting people to take driverless
:22:58. > :23:03.cars, because so many people are killed on the road anyway, this is
:23:04. > :23:07.an advance. As ever, there is a Luddite fear of it, I understand
:23:08. > :23:11.that, we are so used to sitting there concentrating, sitting there
:23:12. > :23:15.looking around will be strange. We have not so the Middle East crisis,
:23:16. > :23:21.but can we solve the problems of road safety? I think it is a great
:23:22. > :23:24.idea, looking at history we will see that people were probably once
:23:25. > :23:28.worried about having a carriage without a whole is at the front of
:23:29. > :23:32.it. They would walk in front of the car with a flag. This will see the
:23:33. > :23:37.end of personal car ownership and taxes, there will be a network of
:23:38. > :23:42.autonomous cars which we can fail on smartphones, they will pick us up,
:23:43. > :23:46.drop us off, and then go to where they are needed most next. It is
:23:47. > :23:52.going to scare a lot of people because they will not be used to
:23:53. > :23:57.sitting in a machine moving itself. If you have a young family, you can
:23:58. > :24:01.programme the car so it takes the children to school and comes back,
:24:02. > :24:08.this would be great! You do not have to listen to, " are we there yet?"
:24:09. > :24:13.At my age I would like the idea, it would allow me to continue driving.
:24:14. > :24:19.At the same time, we come here by car, they drive us here to the
:24:20. > :24:31.studio. I'm going to miss my driver and that lovely lady. If this is
:24:32. > :24:36.applied to the industry, and if we have driverless service, then I will
:24:37. > :24:40.greatly miss her. Note taxi drivers to talk to when you are abroad, what
:24:41. > :24:48.a great disservice to British journalism! `` no taxi drivers. You
:24:49. > :24:53.can watch television and news, and you can read newspapers, when you
:24:54. > :24:57.are in the car. I remember getting on the Docklands light Railway for
:24:58. > :25:01.the first time and getting on a train without a driver and it was
:25:02. > :25:04.such a shock. When they first started with trains they said that
:25:05. > :25:09.the human body could not resist going faster than 30 miles an hour.
:25:10. > :25:17.Lifestyle will transform everywhere, industry, transport, everything.
:25:18. > :25:20.Here you are talking about maybe 50 years along, it is a long project.
:25:21. > :25:30.We should live so long to see it! That is also dateline London this
:25:31. > :25:34.week, we will be looking for some more share in the gloom at the same
:25:35. > :25:40.time next week and we hope that you will join us. Until then you can of
:25:41. > :26:03.course comment on the programme on Twitter, @gavinesler. Goodbye.
:26:04. > :26:08.Low`pressure system across the UK this weekend, mixed conditions,
:26:09. > :26:13.throughout the weekend there will be some rain moving north, some strong
:26:14. > :26:16.winds at times, but in between, a little bit of sunshine and some
:26:17. > :26:17.showers around. Taking