:00:22. > :00:23.Hello and welcome to Dateline London.
:00:24. > :00:27.two stories likely to dominate the year ahead.
:00:28. > :00:29.First, the future of the European Union as Britain
:00:30. > :00:34.And secondly, how far President Putin and Russia
:00:35. > :00:37.are steering events in the Middle East and elsewhere,
:00:38. > :00:40.with Donald Trump perhaps in the passenger seat.
:00:41. > :00:47.Annalisa Piras, who is an Italian film maker.
:00:48. > :00:50.Lyse Doucet, who is the BBC's chief international correspondent.
:00:51. > :00:56.Michael Gove of The Times, and who is also a Conservative MP.
:00:57. > :01:00.Britain's top diplomat in the European Union,
:01:01. > :01:02.Sir Ivan Rogers, quit this week amid the continuing political
:01:03. > :01:04.row about Britain being unprepared for Brexit.
:01:05. > :01:08.But with Italy's banks in trouble, the Greek crisis unresolved,
:01:09. > :01:12.elections in Germany and France in 2017 and in Italy by 2018,
:01:13. > :01:15.plus fears about the euro, how much of a mess is the European Union
:01:16. > :01:21.and more importantly the eurozone actually in?
:01:22. > :01:30.Michael? Over the course of this year the attention will focus on
:01:31. > :01:34.German elections and French elections and Dutch elections
:01:35. > :01:38.particularly and three countries there will be strong populist
:01:39. > :01:42.challenges. I believe Gert builders in the Netherlands will top the
:01:43. > :01:45.poll, but I suspect the other parties, for the first time in the
:01:46. > :01:50.Netherlands, will save the person who topped the poll should not be in
:01:51. > :01:54.government. In France I suspect Marine Le Pen will make it to the
:01:55. > :01:56.run-off and run the other candidates very close. In Germany the Germany
:01:57. > :02:13.the alternative the Deutschland, the
:02:14. > :02:15.anti-immigrant, anti-EU party will get more than 20% in the polls and
:02:16. > :02:18.may do better than the social Democrats, the coalition partners.
:02:19. > :02:20.It will shake the confidence of the EU's current leadership. How much of
:02:21. > :02:26.that do you agree with? There are many parties in Germany and Italy
:02:27. > :02:31.who are pretty Eurosceptic. Yeah. The kind of picture that Michael has
:02:32. > :02:35.just painted is correct. Not much is going to happen until the German
:02:36. > :02:40.elections in the autumn so we have in front of us a long period of
:02:41. > :02:45.uncertainty and instability in which populist forces are going to mount
:02:46. > :02:52.an extraordinary challenge to the status quo. Having said that, there
:02:53. > :02:56.is something else going on, which is extraordinary story, and terrifying,
:02:57. > :03:02.which could pull together the European Union leaders who are going
:03:03. > :03:07.to be smart enough and convincing enough to explain to the people
:03:08. > :03:10.what's going on in the world. I'm referring to the migrant phenomenon
:03:11. > :03:16.which is going to accelerate massively and is going to show, for
:03:17. > :03:20.the first time in European history, how the outside challenges can
:03:21. > :03:25.combine with inside challenges and make the situation untenable unless
:03:26. > :03:31.Europeans work together. Specifically on Italy, how far are
:03:32. > :03:36.people concerned about the Italian banks? I've seen debt write-downs of
:03:37. > :03:40.50%, people are suggesting in reality many banks will be lucky to
:03:41. > :03:47.get 20% back on bad loans. In other words they are insolvent. The
:03:48. > :03:50.banking crisis in Italy is one crisis and people have lost faith in
:03:51. > :03:59.the banking system and the government a long time ago. There
:04:00. > :04:05.was a very eloquent front cover of a magazine saying welcome back to the
:04:06. > :04:09.past. Italy is looking at 2017, looking back at what has been
:04:10. > :04:15.happening in Italy and not expecting anything good from this New Year.
:04:16. > :04:22.There is a generalised gloom and doom, despair, lack of any hope
:04:23. > :04:29.whatsoever. The banking crisis is just one of the aspects. Lyse, we
:04:30. > :04:33.tend to look down one end of the telescope, Brexit Britain and the
:04:34. > :04:37.challenges here. How difficult to all these other challenges make it
:04:38. > :04:43.for any British government? You talk about the European Union and we have
:04:44. > :04:47.discussed how disunited and shaky and fragile this edifice of the
:04:48. > :04:54.European Union is. Brexit was another jolt. It is now very shaky
:04:55. > :05:05.in a year with major elections. For those two pillars, Germany and
:05:06. > :05:07.France, looking inward, and you can't look inward all the time. You
:05:08. > :05:10.have to take care of the external factors. Brexit will force them to
:05:11. > :05:12.look inward as well. That is what could set in motion, and already
:05:13. > :05:17.has, along with the victory of Donald Trump in the USA, these
:05:18. > :05:24.political forces that are tearing at the whole ethos of the EU. The
:05:25. > :05:28.migration crisis was emblematic of just how divided Europe is
:05:29. > :05:33.politically, socially, morally, in every which way in terms of how they
:05:34. > :05:38.responded. There was no EU response to that and there still isn't. From
:05:39. > :05:44.the United States, is the European project in serious trouble in 2017,
:05:45. > :05:47.and particularly the euro? The European project is in tremendous
:05:48. > :05:52.trouble and far worse than the people in the US are aware of.
:05:53. > :05:56.People are focused on the domestic situation. Having watched the EU
:05:57. > :06:03.closely for several years, there's never been a crossroads like this
:06:04. > :06:05.before and the idea of a closer union is so discredited at this
:06:06. > :06:10.point that it's almost not worth uttering the words. I've had this
:06:11. > :06:13.disagreement with Annalisa before. She talks about a common European
:06:14. > :06:18.response to the immigrants and I think that's beyond the leadership
:06:19. > :06:24.of Europe. You put those 28 or 27 leaders in a room and you have such
:06:25. > :06:28.competing, impossible to reconcile self interest that the immigrant
:06:29. > :06:34.crisis could be what divides it and what leads to gradual breaking away.
:06:35. > :06:41.Hungary, for example, and some of those countries surrounding Hungary
:06:42. > :06:43.take one view, Germany and other. Germany, Italy, everyone's crisis
:06:44. > :06:49.point is different, and so is Britain's. For any British Prime
:06:50. > :06:54.Minister or negotiating team, never mind affections from the civil
:06:55. > :06:57.service, to get the attention of any European leader, particularly Angela
:06:58. > :07:07.Merkel this year, will be difficult. It is. One of the points made by two
:07:08. > :07:10.of the principal negotiators is that until the German elections
:07:11. > :07:14.concluded, it will be difficult to get the full focus and the full
:07:15. > :07:18.attention of everyone in Europe on these negotiations. The point is
:07:19. > :07:22.also made that once negotiations are concluded, there needs to be
:07:23. > :07:28.agreement as much as possible across Europe before any deal can be
:07:29. > :07:31.settled. There is an imperative on the Prime Minister and the British
:07:32. > :07:35.negotiating team to make clear, and I know the Prime Minister hopes to
:07:36. > :07:45.in the next week or so, what the core asked of the European union is.
:07:46. > :07:47.Clarity in this process is absolutely critical to success. More
:07:48. > :07:53.important, what is the core ask of Britain? You have your cake and you
:07:54. > :07:59.want to eat it. Yes. Europe might be able to respond. I expressed my
:08:00. > :08:06.softball, what is Britain asking of the EU? We need to be clear about
:08:07. > :08:10.what Britain is requesting. It's not open-ended, the clock is ticking.
:08:11. > :08:15.Once the trigger is pulled with Article 50, they have two years. You
:08:16. > :08:19.cannot waste a year, even though a year with Germany and France
:08:20. > :08:23.focusing on their elections, they will have to do something about
:08:24. > :08:27.Brexit is Brexit. It's not just Theresa May saying that, John Claude
:08:28. > :08:32.Yunker has said it, so has Merkel, you have to get it done quickly. It
:08:33. > :08:43.will be up to Britain to clarify, because I don't think anybody in the
:08:44. > :08:46.British government knows what Brexit they want. I think they do. A
:08:47. > :08:48.critical thing for the EU is if those who are currently steering it
:08:49. > :08:52.play a clumsy hand, that will only strengthen what they considered to
:08:53. > :08:56.be populist forces. Marine Le Pen has put the European institutions on
:08:57. > :09:00.notice that if British institutions are punished for leaving she will
:09:01. > :09:04.make that a rallying cry. It is also the case that if countries like
:09:05. > :09:11.Poland and Hungary that take a very different line to the current EU
:09:12. > :09:14.court leadership see that leadership privileging its position, its
:09:15. > :09:18.ultra-federalist position over some of their interests, that could
:09:19. > :09:22.create difficulties as well. Can I ask some of you who cover these
:09:23. > :09:26.things to take a step back from this week 's headlines in Britain. Ivan
:09:27. > :09:31.Rogers have left. Many people would not be familiar with his name or the
:09:32. > :09:35.name of his successor. How important of these people who have been
:09:36. > :09:41.derided in some of the papers as the Sir Humphreys? How important are
:09:42. > :09:46.these people rather than the politicians? Are good ambassador or
:09:47. > :09:51.High Commissioner is gold dust. They are your eyes and ears in the
:09:52. > :09:54.country and they have... They are able to tell you forensically what
:09:55. > :10:01.the situation is. It is up to leaders to listen... Or not. Even
:10:02. > :10:09.though nobody should listen to experts! They are the experts of all
:10:10. > :10:13.experts. Ivan Rogers said he knew the British system so well, he knew
:10:14. > :10:18.the European system so well, he knew all the players. His replacement is
:10:19. > :10:23.also a very steady hand, but she's losing a key person. It is a tragedy
:10:24. > :10:30.for Britain that he has resigned. Simply because the world is getting
:10:31. > :10:34.so complex, the old order is being replaced by completely unstable and
:10:35. > :10:37.unpredictable orders. Diplomats in this moment are keyed to the
:10:38. > :10:43.national interest because they understand the way the world is and
:10:44. > :10:48.the way it's going. The fact he has resigned and he has warned the civil
:10:49. > :10:52.servants, please speak to the power, it's very, very important. Let's not
:10:53. > :10:57.forget that the British diplomatic service is considered to be one of
:10:58. > :11:06.the best in the world. Rogers is a patriot, he is an example of the
:11:07. > :11:08.best of the Foreign Office. The fact that he has left is very, very
:11:09. > :11:12.significant and very, very serious. The world is getting very, very
:11:13. > :11:16.complex and to look only at the British interests and not looking at
:11:17. > :11:23.the big picture is very dangerous for the national interest. It also
:11:24. > :11:27.struck me in his farewell e-mail to the civil servants when he was
:11:28. > :11:31.pointing out that Whitehall and in general Britain doesn't have the
:11:32. > :11:36.negotiating expertise, doesn't have the staff, doesn't know enough about
:11:37. > :11:40.how to do the trade deals and he also, in his earlier memo which
:11:41. > :11:43.leaked, pointed out that even after this two-year process it will be up
:11:44. > :11:47.to each national parliament to approve the deal and it could fail
:11:48. > :11:52.at that point. He said some pretty important things that bats the Prime
:11:53. > :11:57.Minister was not interested in hearing. I'm conscious that the idea
:11:58. > :12:02.of some kind of Goldilocks Brexit, that everybody likes, not too hard
:12:03. > :12:07.or soft or hot or cold, won't even work within your own party. The
:12:08. > :12:11.least of the Prime Minister 's worries is the Conservative Party.
:12:12. > :12:16.There's a strong consensus behind the type of Brexit most
:12:17. > :12:20.conservatives would like see. Philip Hammond against Theresa May, big
:12:21. > :12:25.differences. I don't think so. It's interesting to see the way opinion
:12:26. > :12:31.has moved outside the Conservative Party. This week and is capable --
:12:32. > :12:34.Vince Cable made it clear he thought freedom of movement shouldn't
:12:35. > :12:38.continue. Who would have imagined 12 months ago that someone is committed
:12:39. > :12:42.as Vince to the Liberal Democrat tradition would have said one of the
:12:43. > :12:48.core freedoms of the EU should no longer apply? Theresa May she's --
:12:49. > :12:52.says she wants workers for the farming community and others save
:12:53. > :12:57.they want banking and service sectors to have freedom of movement.
:12:58. > :13:00.It's entirely possible to have a migration policy that allows Britain
:13:01. > :13:04.to get the skills it needs in the sectors that matter without
:13:05. > :13:08.accepting freedom of movement as it currently operates within the EU.
:13:09. > :13:12.You will say but not being the single market. You're not going to
:13:13. > :13:19.say that! The problem with the muddled thinking is that Britain
:13:20. > :13:24.seems still not able to understand that you can't have your cake and
:13:25. > :13:29.eat it. You can't have the single market and not freedom of movement.
:13:30. > :13:34.It's not on the table! It's not on the table! I don't think we do want
:13:35. > :13:38.to be in the single market. The cake is not on the table. Balatoni.
:13:39. > :13:40.President Putin has engineered a rapprochement of sorts
:13:41. > :13:44.with a key player in Nato - Turkey - and is using it to drive
:13:45. > :13:49.It comes as Donald Trump prepares to take over the US presidency
:13:50. > :13:51.amid concerns he is close - perhaps too close -
:13:52. > :13:54.to Putin, and picking a fight with China and possibly Iran.
:13:55. > :13:56.As Mr Trump remains a riddle wrapped in an enigma,
:13:57. > :13:58.where are the flashpoints we should worry about in 2017?
:13:59. > :14:04.And is Putin playing a weak hand with great skill?
:14:05. > :14:12.The report by the US intelligence agency, the bits that have made
:14:13. > :14:17.public, it does suggest that Russia really played a very strong role in
:14:18. > :14:21.the US election, quite an extraordinary role, whether it made
:14:22. > :14:24.any difference in the voting is a matter of contention. I don't think
:14:25. > :14:31.there's much doubt it made a difference. Mr Trump doesn't think
:14:32. > :14:36.so. They had a very concerted, well directed, successful 16 and 18 month
:14:37. > :14:41.intrusion into the Democratic Party's e-mails which I blame the
:14:42. > :14:45.Democrats. They were sloppy. We are all pretty sloppy with their e-mails
:14:46. > :14:50.and they left themselves to blame, they were completely wide open to
:14:51. > :14:55.state intrusion and Putin's people do that sort of thing
:14:56. > :15:00.extraordinarily well. It was very effective. It had to have swung some
:15:01. > :15:03.votes towards Trump, but so did a lot of other things. Nobody is
:15:04. > :15:08.saying Trump is the president because of Putin, but he enters with
:15:09. > :15:13.this very cloudy relationship with Putin that will be problematic. It
:15:14. > :15:18.is extraordinary in our lifetime to have any American leader being that
:15:19. > :15:22.close to the leader of the Kremlin, particularly somebody who used to be
:15:23. > :15:27.in the KGB. It sounds like science fiction and if ten years ago
:15:28. > :15:31.somebody would have told you rub candid and would have been elected
:15:32. > :15:37.with the help of a former KGB agent, it would have sounded crazy. That
:15:38. > :15:43.script would never work! Actually we need to brace ourselves because we
:15:44. > :15:47.are entering a very, very dark year. 2017, especially in Europe with all
:15:48. > :15:55.these elections, and clear evidence that Russia has been waging cyber
:15:56. > :16:00.warfare to influence the American elections, of all countries, is
:16:01. > :16:06.something that might really put us on alert. We've got a number of
:16:07. > :16:10.elections in Europe and Putin has already been trying to meddle with
:16:11. > :16:18.Germany, public opinion, in many ways. He's been doing it in the
:16:19. > :16:23.former Warsaw Pact countries, he's been doing it everywhere. We need to
:16:24. > :16:29.be aware. This is a year in which what we have taken for granted, the
:16:30. > :16:34.international law and order, the kind of force of the law, is going
:16:35. > :16:41.to be replaced. We know that Francois Phil on in France is quite
:16:42. > :16:46.receptive to Russia playing a bigger role in Europe. We know that Putin
:16:47. > :16:51.is playing what could be seen as a very weak hand, but playing it very
:16:52. > :16:58.well. That's exactly what American diplomats will concede. A week and
:16:59. > :17:02.played extraordinary well. In December 2015 when Russia decided to
:17:03. > :17:07.intervene militarily in Syria, there were warnings from Barack Obama it
:17:08. > :17:11.would be another Afghanistan, a quagmire where Russia will get
:17:12. > :17:22.bogged down. What has happened instead is that Russia, President
:17:23. > :17:24.Putin has had the projection of military force and forced the
:17:25. > :17:26.conclusion he wanted. I spent most of 2016 going to one security forum
:17:27. > :17:29.after another with Western leaders saying we will not accept the
:17:30. > :17:34.changing of borders in our Time by force, we will not accept the
:17:35. > :17:39.post-1945 order will be changed. Russia went into Crimea and it is
:17:40. > :17:44.still there. Russia not only shifted the momentum on the battlefield in
:17:45. > :17:49.Syria, saved President Assad from collapse on free -- key front lines,
:17:50. > :17:53.it's a key player on the battlefield and I was in Aleppo jeering the last
:17:54. > :17:58.stages of the war for that important city. Then he shifted to the
:17:59. > :18:05.negotiating table. It was Russia and Turkey which negotiated the
:18:06. > :18:11.evacuation from Aleppo. Russia and Turkey is driving the talks to take
:18:12. > :18:15.place not in Geneva of Vienna or Paris, but in Russia. It's
:18:16. > :18:19.extraordinary. Even British diplomats will concede that Vladimir
:18:20. > :18:23.Putin went from zero influence in the Middle East in 20 15th to now
:18:24. > :18:28.being the major player with the military force and the political
:18:29. > :18:33.will to back it up. Golf states are saying we wish our ally was
:18:34. > :18:37.President Putin. Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states and also Iran, the
:18:38. > :18:42.impact of Russia putting its weight about and being successful. Has that
:18:43. > :18:49.changed things? It's always been asked if Russia and Iran CI die in
:18:50. > :18:53.Syria, but they don't. They have a shared interest in seeing President
:18:54. > :18:56.Assad, or at least his regime, remaining, but they have different
:18:57. > :19:01.strategic interests. Russia wants its military base, Iran wants to
:19:02. > :19:09.maintain its corridor to Lebanon and has Bhullar, it wants its access to
:19:10. > :19:14.forces. The question will be once President Trump enters the mix. He
:19:15. > :19:18.seems to want to work with President Putin, but he also wants to
:19:19. > :19:23.undermine Iran's influence. If you're going to work in Syria, it's
:19:24. > :19:30.hard to square that circle. How do you see President Trump's relations,
:19:31. > :19:34.potential relations, with Mr Putin? Do you see that as a worried that
:19:35. > :19:39.Britain should be concerned about? One should be alive to some of these
:19:40. > :19:44.concerns. There are people who have been in the Trump entourage who have
:19:45. > :19:47.said things about Putin that give me cause for concern. There are others
:19:48. > :19:52.in the Trump transition team who have been quite robust towards
:19:53. > :19:56.Russia. It is an area of concern. But we should take one step back.
:19:57. > :20:11.Many of the games President Putin has made which
:20:12. > :20:15.cause me concerned and heartache are as a consequence of the weakness
:20:16. > :20:17.shown by President Obama. We had an opportunity to intervene in Syria in
:20:18. > :20:20.2013. The British Parliament much to my regret chose not to. Present an
:20:21. > :20:23.Obama said that was the reason they didn't do it. The President of the
:20:24. > :20:26.United States could have shown greater resolution and clarity at
:20:27. > :20:30.that time. It's a great shame that in the final days of his presidency
:20:31. > :20:34.there's been an element of displacement activity on the part of
:20:35. > :20:39.President Obama and John Kerry. They have concentrated the United Nations
:20:40. > :20:42.about resolutions on Israeli settlements rather than accepting
:20:43. > :20:47.that they played a much bigger role in the clips of Western power in the
:20:48. > :20:52.Middle East and the unhappy consequences that Lyse has alluded
:20:53. > :20:57.to with God states looking to Russia for a role. They play a heavier role
:20:58. > :21:01.and carry it a heavier responsibility than anything Mr
:21:02. > :21:05.Trump has to have on his conscious at this moment. How far do you buy
:21:06. > :21:09.that? The other way of looking at that same story is that after
:21:10. > :21:17.Afghanistan and after Iraqi, Obama did not want to get involved in some
:21:18. > :21:22.kind of protracted conflict. The opinion polls and MPs here said the
:21:23. > :21:27.same thing. There's a consistency to the eight years of Obama's foreign
:21:28. > :21:32.policy. It's been a bit ambiguous in Afghanistan but he's not wanted more
:21:33. > :21:35.interventions and I think he inherited a truly disastrous
:21:36. > :21:38.situation from the prior administration and has spent eight
:21:39. > :21:42.years trying to cope with it and now it goes back the other way. It's a
:21:43. > :21:46.very confusing time for American foreign policy. Six months ago Obama
:21:47. > :21:50.was proud of what he had accomplished and what he had not
:21:51. > :21:56.been dragged into and I think that's no longer the case. I was with US
:21:57. > :22:01.diplomats the day the US went into Syria and they were convinced Putin
:22:02. > :22:07.was making a disaster error and he's -- it's paid off beautifully for
:22:08. > :22:12.Putin. On the other hand, if you want to be more optimistic, it is
:22:13. > :22:17.true that this new international scenario does put a lot of pressure
:22:18. > :22:23.on the Europeans. It is true that the bombing of civilians by the
:22:24. > :22:29.Russians in Syria has caused all the European leaders to really think
:22:30. > :22:35.long and hard, what are we going to do? If America doesn't in gauge, if
:22:36. > :22:41.America decides, as Trump has said, that he doesn't want to pay any more
:22:42. > :22:48.for Nato, the Europeans by necessity have to come together in order to
:22:49. > :22:52.ensure their own security. The last European Council, there was no
:22:53. > :22:56.discussion of what had been happening in Syria and no resolution
:22:57. > :23:00.to deal with what Russia had been responsible for. It's only in the UK
:23:01. > :23:07.that there is a live debate about the need to increase defence
:23:08. > :23:12.spending. That's not correct. There are plenty of smaller countries. If
:23:13. > :23:16.you've been watching EU politics you would see there's been an
:23:17. > :23:23.acceleration in terms of common defence spending, common research.
:23:24. > :23:28.More spending? But not more men and more material. The Baltic states are
:23:29. > :23:33.concerned. If you look at who is putting forces on the eastern border
:23:34. > :23:38.of Nato come it is America, Canada, Britain. One of the concerns that I
:23:39. > :23:41.have is that the European Union, for the reasons we discussed at the
:23:42. > :23:45.beginning, is turning inward and while there is a belief that they
:23:46. > :23:50.should be institutional change within Europe, what there isn't is
:23:51. > :23:55.the resolution in dealing with the anti-democratic forces that Putin
:23:56. > :23:58.has marshalled. We've come full circle. We started off with Michael
:23:59. > :24:04.saying there was huge internal issues to reserve -- resolve, and
:24:05. > :24:09.there are in the EU, but they will be forced to confront the problems
:24:10. > :24:12.of their unity, or the lack of it, when President Trump stalks about
:24:13. > :24:16.Nato and you have to pay your own way. What about when President Trump
:24:17. > :24:22.starts talking about easing the sanctions on Russia over Ukraine.
:24:23. > :24:26.Angela Merkel were leading the way in terms of Russia and dealing with
:24:27. > :24:32.Ukraine. These are red button issues for Europe in terms of values and
:24:33. > :24:39.principles. They cannot left then drift away. I suspect if Marine Le
:24:40. > :24:43.Pen doesn't win, if Francois Phil on might have a chance, that will be
:24:44. > :24:49.the key moment in which we could see a real change in Europe, especially
:24:50. > :24:53.on defence and security issues. France is very keen. That will also
:24:54. > :24:59.have a strong influence on Brexit negotiations. We have one minute
:25:00. > :25:04.left. I wanted to ask you if we'd missed what could be the scariest
:25:05. > :25:09.story of the year, which is China, North Korea, South Korea, relations
:25:10. > :25:15.there and Donald Trump's attitude to China. We don't know what he will
:25:16. > :25:18.do, but it is interesting. And his attitude to nuclear proliferation,
:25:19. > :25:23.where has attitude has been its no problem. Will it change in the Oval
:25:24. > :25:28.Office? We don't know, he hasn't clarified his view. He was very
:25:29. > :25:37.robust about North Korea. Judging from his tweets rather than major
:25:38. > :25:40.policy statement. Whatever Obama told him rattled him on that first
:25:41. > :25:42.day when Obama first met with him after the election. Trump expresses
:25:43. > :25:47.a willingness to Japan and South Korea to get nuclear weapons. What
:25:48. > :25:49.he said would overturn their codes of nonproliferation. On that note,
:25:50. > :25:51.happy New Year! You can comment on the programme
:25:52. > :25:54.on Twitter @gavinesler We're back next week
:25:55. > :25:58.at the same time.