:00:23. > :00:24.Hello and welcome to Dateline London.
:00:25. > :00:27.Does the Trump presidency promise a new golden age
:00:28. > :00:33.And Britain's Prime Minister promises to work for a "shared
:00:34. > :00:36.society" while the Red Cross says there is a humanitarian crisis
:00:37. > :00:42.Separating the facts from the fake news today,
:00:43. > :00:44.my guests are Michael Goldfarb, of Politico, Nesrine Malik,
:00:45. > :00:47.who is a Sudanese journalist, Stefanie Bolzen, of Die Welt,
:00:48. > :00:49.and Iain Martin, formerly editor of the Scotsman,
:00:50. > :00:58.It's all a conspiracy against Donald Trump by US
:00:59. > :01:01.intelligence and the media, or it's a conspiracy
:01:02. > :01:04.by Donald Trump's supporters - and perhaps Russian intelligence -
:01:05. > :01:06.to help Trump become President and embarrass
:01:07. > :01:10.Either way, how far can Mr Trump's team of talented family members,
:01:11. > :01:15.billionaires, ex-generals and others heal America's obvious divisions?
:01:16. > :01:20.This is the week when he will become President of the United States.
:01:21. > :01:26.Detox about bringing the country together. People want that. Will it
:01:27. > :01:33.happen? Now, it will not happen. The country is divided. It is not a new
:01:34. > :01:36.thing. It is not something that has happened in last year and a half
:01:37. > :01:39.since Donald Trump declared he would run for president and he has become
:01:40. > :01:44.a divisive figure. The country has been building to this since you are
:01:45. > :01:48.correspondent in Washington, Gavin. You wrote a book about her angry
:01:49. > :01:53.Americans wear. Sometimes when the economy is bad, the sense of being
:01:54. > :01:57.at a distance with fellow citizens is pushed to the site when the
:01:58. > :02:04.economy is OK. It has not been OK since the crash in 2008 for many.
:02:05. > :02:08.Even if he was a more emollient and traditional politician, I don't see
:02:09. > :02:12.that he could bring the country together. Barack Obama is exactly
:02:13. > :02:17.that. He wasn't able to bridge the divide. The other part of your
:02:18. > :02:25.question, about who do you trust? Use extraordinary good at exploiting
:02:26. > :02:30.that question. Who do you trust? After decades and decades in which
:02:31. > :02:33.the traditional news media, and they include the BBC New York Times, have
:02:34. > :02:41.had their reputations, principally trashed. -- reputations
:02:42. > :02:45.comprehensively trashed. Millions of people every day get their news from
:02:46. > :02:51.sources that are decidedly nontraditional. There is exploiting
:02:52. > :02:55.whom? The traditional way of finding it would be to Gundogan find out.
:02:56. > :03:01.There is no time in the modern news cycle. It is an extraordinary change
:03:02. > :03:06.of historical circumstance. The other part of this, and so many
:03:07. > :03:11.things have gone on in the last week, but to have gas and who will
:03:12. > :03:13.become president of the US in a fight with US intelligence services
:03:14. > :03:19.and suggesting there could be warmer relations with Russia... That in any
:03:20. > :03:24.time in the last 50 years, would seem like that sentence got mixed
:03:25. > :03:27.up. Many things sound like they could never have happened before.
:03:28. > :03:35.That is the answer to your question. Donald Trump not only casual
:03:36. > :03:40.divides, she doesn't want to. -- he does not want to. The way that he
:03:41. > :03:44.got to where he is today is by exploiting divides. In his last
:03:45. > :03:51.press conference, which he gave when he was in a fight with CNN, when
:03:52. > :03:56.things get calm, Donald Trump gets nervous and has to provide content
:03:57. > :04:00.and substance. So he asked to provide drama all the time. He is
:04:01. > :04:07.going to govern from the fringes. He is going to govern people on his
:04:08. > :04:11.side and alienate everyone else. Whether that includes the CIA, the
:04:12. > :04:17.Republican party, whoever, he knows that all he needs is the support of
:04:18. > :04:25.those people who voted for him. They got him to where he is. Until, when
:04:26. > :04:29.he says they need a tax to pay for the wall in Mexico, Congress don't
:04:30. > :04:34.agree. Otherwise his domestic programme will not happen. But you
:04:35. > :04:39.have to remember that even though some Republicans made very wise,
:04:40. > :04:42.lofty pronouncements and Trump and how they are not happy he is here
:04:43. > :04:46.and they tried so hard to make sure that there was a decent candidate,
:04:47. > :04:49.he brought them back from the brink. He brought them back from death will
:04:50. > :04:53.stop they were in the hinterland. They are now back in the driving
:04:54. > :04:57.seat. They need to work with them to ensure they have a future in
:04:58. > :05:01.Government. There's all kinds of parts of this for Germany as well.
:05:02. > :05:06.We will get to that in a minute. I was thinking, the German elections
:05:07. > :05:13.coming up. Germany is clearly quite alarmed that the kind of
:05:14. > :05:16.intervention which now most people, wider conspiracy theories is
:05:17. > :05:21.believed Russia did play a role in the US election. If it happens, it
:05:22. > :05:26.can happen in Germany. There is a lot of nervousness ahead of the
:05:27. > :05:30.elections in Germany in September. Everyone is expecting more Russian
:05:31. > :05:38.intervention in domestic German politics. For example, there was a
:05:39. > :05:43.lot of... There was a big story when refugee crisis started in 2015, with
:05:44. > :05:51.a fake story about a Russian girl being rates by refugees. That came
:05:52. > :05:57.out and was manipulated story. You can see that what we see now in the
:05:58. > :06:02.US is just... It is happening in Europe as well. We will all have to
:06:03. > :06:06.deal with this? Yes. And it is a big challenge. It is an extraordinary
:06:07. > :06:09.week and we will get on to do these the fight with the doctors in
:06:10. > :06:13.Britain, which is politically very brave. We also have which is
:06:14. > :06:17.politically quite brave and American president to say that he thinks
:06:18. > :06:21.there might be something a bit wrong within American intelligence. That
:06:22. > :06:26.is quite brave. It is very brave when you consider what happened to
:06:27. > :06:31.some of the previous presidency got into a row with the CIA. JFK springs
:06:32. > :06:38.to mind and sold as Richard Nixon. What on earth ever happened to him?
:06:39. > :06:44.He is playing a dangerous public quite clever game. He understands
:06:45. > :06:47.media and how to disrupt media and block part of the traditional
:06:48. > :06:58.structures in a way that gives him Inc". Ultimately, the problem for
:06:59. > :07:00.him is the promises he makes essentially defy economic logic. He
:07:01. > :07:07.talks about increasing entitlements, lowering taxes, detection is --
:07:08. > :07:12.protectionism but then making life better for American workers. But
:07:13. > :07:16.prices will go up if they go that route. So it is very difficult to
:07:17. > :07:20.see how he can, between now and the midterms, which is the beauty of the
:07:21. > :07:24.American system, he has two years, if in those two years does not go
:07:25. > :07:27.economically quite as he has promised people in Michigan and
:07:28. > :07:31.those sorts of states that voted for him, then he has a problem. Of
:07:32. > :07:36.course, his response then will be to blame Congress. He will be the man
:07:37. > :07:39.who says, I try to do other stuff and it is just because these two
:07:40. > :07:46.parties are completely useless. This is a swap that they have to dream.
:07:47. > :07:51.He won so narrowly and on such a quirk of the electoral system, he
:07:52. > :07:56.starts with Hillary having 3 million more votes in the electoral college.
:07:57. > :08:05.His approval ratings, probably aside from Hilary, the worst of any
:08:06. > :08:09.president. Reagan's budget director says we break it now, we fix it
:08:10. > :08:14.later. In other words, spend money and worry about that later. That is
:08:15. > :08:21.presumably what he will try to do? I do not think his mind goes far as
:08:22. > :08:27.that. Or even as far as the midterms! I don't think that as it
:08:28. > :08:31.works. The interesting thing to watch, said from his Twitter feed,
:08:32. > :08:35.which I do wish they would stop, he plays the American mainstream media
:08:36. > :08:39.like a fiddle. Who cares what he treats any more? We're not supposed
:08:40. > :08:44.to normalise Donald Trump. This is is normal behaviour, at 3am he says
:08:45. > :08:47.something crazy. The real action is now focused on Congress. It is
:08:48. > :08:52.completely in the hands of the Republicans. They are deeply and
:08:53. > :08:56.geological party. We should be looking at what they do more than
:08:57. > :09:01.what he does. -- ideological party. And knowing that, we have to look at
:09:02. > :09:08.which Republicans will stand up to him. In the Senate, guys like John
:09:09. > :09:19.McCain, he has just been re-elected, he has six years, 1.5 Trump terms,
:09:20. > :09:25.and it is possible he could run for a second term. He has 1.5 terms to
:09:26. > :09:27.face up to a guy like John McCain. In the Senate, Villa 's
:09:28. > :09:36.possibilities of standing and vision back against any -- a new
:09:37. > :09:43.administration short on common political sense.
:09:44. > :09:46.But the problem the rest of us have is that the president, as you know,
:09:47. > :09:50.has the most power in terms of an executive order in an agency. That
:09:51. > :09:56.is why people are worried. People are quite scared. In the event of a
:09:57. > :10:01.terror attack some unforeseen foreign prices, the Imperial
:10:02. > :10:05.Presidency, as it has grown in the last 40, 50 years, has a huge power.
:10:06. > :10:13.He has freedom not just a tweet but to act on those tweets and take
:10:14. > :10:17.action... And he has support. The point you made earlier about him
:10:18. > :10:20.defying logic I trying to propose economic measures that are not
:10:21. > :10:23.doable, we sit here for months before the election saying, Trump
:10:24. > :10:29.cannot win because it defies logic. He won because he defied logic. His
:10:30. > :10:32.supporters do not care. People who support them plainly do not care
:10:33. > :10:35.about what he promises on the economy. There is no benchmark. You
:10:36. > :10:40.can blame everything on his opponents, like Brexit, if it goes
:10:41. > :10:43.wrong, it is the fault of the remainder is -- people who voted
:10:44. > :10:48.remain. Let's move on. Russians - and friends
:10:49. > :10:51.of the Kremlin - hate to be reminded that the Soviet Union
:10:52. > :10:53.was on the Nazi side Stalin and Hitler carved up
:10:54. > :10:57.Poland between them - and then, when Stalin joined
:10:58. > :10:59.the winning side, his comradely forces occupied Poland and imposed
:11:00. > :11:01.Communist governments. Now Poland is being reinforced by US
:11:02. > :11:04.troops and other Nato forces, and so how serious is the prospect
:11:05. > :11:13.of new conflict in Europe This is something Germans and people
:11:14. > :11:17.in Scandinavia in particular are very sensitive about for obvious
:11:18. > :11:22.reasons. And it is not only about Poland but the reinsurance
:11:23. > :11:28.measurements that are started in Poland, Bulgaria and Romania. I was
:11:29. > :11:35.in Lithuania to watch the final exercise of Nato troops before they
:11:36. > :11:41.start deploying. The British will go to Estonia, I think. There is around
:11:42. > :11:47.5000 troops in this region, reassuring measures. If you go to
:11:48. > :11:52.Lithuania, they have a long, tragic story of occupation by the Germans,
:11:53. > :11:57.then of course by Russia. There is a tangible fear. People are scared
:11:58. > :12:06.there. If you look at the numbers, 5000 Nato troops, but if you look
:12:07. > :12:09.couple of miles over the border, 100,000 Russian troops on the
:12:10. > :12:14.western border of Russia and you have these missiles that can be
:12:15. > :12:19.equipped with nuclear weapons. If you talk to people in Natal, the
:12:20. > :12:28.question is, will we really see a state and state war? Is this
:12:29. > :12:37.possible? On the other hand, we talked about Trump and manipulation
:12:38. > :12:44.of the German election. There is also the case of manipulation in
:12:45. > :12:51.other areas and destabilisation. How do you see this? The way you
:12:52. > :12:55.characterise this, it is a deterrent, a trip were, it is not
:12:56. > :13:01.the to fight a war but to say that we're interested.
:13:02. > :13:05.Which underlines, look, it is 100 years this year since the Russian
:13:06. > :13:10.Revolution. I think we need to start thinking about Russia again
:13:11. > :13:15.seriously. Trying to understand Russian psychology. History gives us
:13:16. > :13:18.some quite basic lessons. Do not invade Russia. Do not try and
:13:19. > :13:24.provoke Russia. Russia is so vast that armies could be swallowed up in
:13:25. > :13:28.it. Essentially, the thing to do is to try and contain Russia. Suggest
:13:29. > :13:34.to Russia that we are serious about Western defence and we need to start
:13:35. > :13:38.thinking again... Brexit to one side. The much bigger European
:13:39. > :13:43.question is the integrity of the West and Western security. We have
:13:44. > :13:46.got out of the habit of having to think about this in the last 25
:13:47. > :13:53.years or so and it is now back front and centre. Part of that is that at
:13:54. > :13:56.the end of the Cold War, to put it in simple terms, the West won the
:13:57. > :13:59.Cold War. Natal won the Cold War and there was no big conference or
:14:00. > :14:06.Congress in Vienna, there was no Versailles Treaty. The Russians had
:14:07. > :14:09.reasons to believe they were discounted because they were weak.
:14:10. > :14:14.That was perhaps, looking at it, a long-term mistake. It was, and one
:14:15. > :14:18.that people have not learned from in the past. I know that it is tedious
:14:19. > :14:21.when people hark back to Nazi Germany but it is the same mistake
:14:22. > :14:25.people make with Nazi Germany in World War I. A sense that it was the
:14:26. > :14:33.end of history, they had dominated and there was no sort of plan. One
:14:34. > :14:37.of the main lesson is that a staggering that people have not
:14:38. > :14:41.learned, to see how Brexit is played out in the troubled action is played
:14:42. > :14:44.out, and I think if you are an immigrant, these things are clear in
:14:45. > :14:49.your head. But the fact that Natal and the European Union and all these
:14:50. > :14:54.things happened because there was a fair that there could be a big
:14:55. > :14:57.rupturing incident. World War II, people think it would happen again
:14:58. > :15:00.but these things have receded from the public consciousness in a way
:15:01. > :15:06.that I find really strange. In a way that I think people of the South
:15:07. > :15:08.have not forgotten. And they do feel that these threats are real and
:15:09. > :15:13.imminent. In answer to the question you made the first place, how
:15:14. > :15:18.dangerous and how feasible is it, how realistic is it that we could
:15:19. > :15:25.descend into a conflict, I think it is entirely feasible. Blunder into
:15:26. > :15:29.it. Blunder into it with a series of unfortunate events. This is where
:15:30. > :15:32.the World War I analogy comes in. The steps that led to the conflict
:15:33. > :15:37.beginning where a series of blunders. The incorrect dramatic
:15:38. > :15:42.assumptions about how far governments will go. I have to be
:15:43. > :15:48.give up the Congress of Vienna. Poland was partitioned at the
:15:49. > :15:52.Congress of Vienna. To bring about a Donald Trump, and mean, it is
:15:53. > :15:59.something that we still can't know. It has been reported today,
:16:00. > :16:03.actually, that in late December, Barack Obama that new sanctions on
:16:04. > :16:08.Russia because of the allegations of hacking into the DNC and trying to
:16:09. > :16:12.interfere with the American election. On the very day that he
:16:13. > :16:17.did that, the incoming head of the National Security Agency, retired
:16:18. > :16:22.General Mike Flynn, was on the phone to the Russian Embassy. In fact,
:16:23. > :16:26.apparently, through the transition period, he is in regular contact
:16:27. > :16:35.with the Russian Embassy and has been a regular guest on Russia,
:16:36. > :16:38.today. The devil's advocate position is, Donald Trump is right. We need a
:16:39. > :16:43.better relationship with Russia. Maybe you can do it. Maybe having
:16:44. > :16:47.someone from Exxon, used to dealing with Russia, is a good thing. It
:16:48. > :16:52.could be good, but what does that mean in terms of your European
:16:53. > :17:01.partners, since 1945? Rex Tillerson, who is Secretary of State designate,
:17:02. > :17:08.said, how would you have dealt with the invasion of Ukraine? He said...
:17:09. > :17:18.The reason they say that Vladimir Putin has been respectful of Angela
:17:19. > :17:26.Merkel, she sees the broader picture and this is what she sees through. I
:17:27. > :17:29.agree with you, you need to find a new language with Russia. All the
:17:30. > :17:34.polemic doesn't take us anywhere. The big question the end of the day
:17:35. > :17:37.is, how do you read Vladimir Putin? They say that he is like a dancer
:17:38. > :17:43.with the woman. When you step back, he will come forward. To keep that
:17:44. > :17:49.balance right... He is a classic Russian. He is a prerevolutionary
:17:50. > :17:54.figure, in a sense. He uses the techniques of the KGB and FSB and
:17:55. > :17:57.never really left the KGB. The way that he thinks about Russia is he
:17:58. > :18:04.wants to restore a concept of respect for Russia and Russia being
:18:05. > :18:07.a great power. And only once, other than possibly during the Revolution
:18:08. > :18:12.and at the end of the First World War, has Russia been properly fully
:18:13. > :18:17.defeated. That was from 89 until 2000. The response and swing back
:18:18. > :18:24.was the choice of someone like flooding Britain to restore an idea
:18:25. > :18:31.of Russian pride. -- someone like Vladimir Putin. People cottoned on
:18:32. > :18:37.that that well ago but the response to Vladimir Putin has been to laugh
:18:38. > :18:42.at him, for five years ago, and recently to basically disintegrate
:18:43. > :18:45.in the face of this resolved from Russia. It was interesting that in
:18:46. > :18:54.the headlines it said the operation of Nato troops was called Atlantic
:18:55. > :18:56.resolved at the same time Europe is falling apart and America's
:18:57. > :19:02.detaching itself from Europe and potentially from Natal. So, do not
:19:03. > :19:03.laugh at him but do not disintegrate in the face of the Russian
:19:04. > :19:08.determination. Let's move on. In Britain, we have had prime
:19:09. > :19:12.ministers talk of the big society and the shared society,
:19:13. > :19:14.of those "left behind", the squeezed middle and JAMs -
:19:15. > :19:17.just about managing. This week, we also heard
:19:18. > :19:20.the National Health Service faces Instead of debating acronyms
:19:21. > :19:23.and slogans, how serious are the social problems facing
:19:24. > :19:25.Britain, in particular those associated with the ever-spiralling
:19:26. > :19:32.cost of health care? Whatever you think of it, it is
:19:33. > :19:36.quite bright for Downing Street to say that the family doctors, the
:19:37. > :19:39.most respected profession in Britain, pretty much, need to work
:19:40. > :19:48.longer, and if they don't, they will lose funding. Opinion polls suggest
:19:49. > :19:51.there is resentment from people about the deal done to give GPs
:19:52. > :19:57.shorter hours. I think you're right, in the middle of this crisis, it is
:19:58. > :20:02.a brave and somewhat reckless strategy. There is also a degree
:20:03. > :20:06.of... There is something seriously wrong here and that is a problem not
:20:07. > :20:12.so much quickly with the NHS. It is a problem with social care, a
:20:13. > :20:15.problem that Western countries have. Britain's population above the age
:20:16. > :20:19.of 85 full double in the next ten years. Britain has not had a proper
:20:20. > :20:27.grown-up conversation about how that should be dealt with and paid for.
:20:28. > :20:31.What is happening is that that pressure is then loaded onto the NHS
:20:32. > :20:35.in accident and emergency. You'll get the headlines from 20 years ago,
:20:36. > :20:45.30 years ago. NHS is always impresses. Especially in January. --
:20:46. > :20:50.always in crisis. I think it is an exaggeration. Does Germany do things
:20:51. > :20:58.better? Your Health Service in general costs more per Ashya of --
:20:59. > :21:02.per share of GDP. It does. Almost every day, you have a headline about
:21:03. > :21:09.the NHS. In Germany, headline about the Health Service is probably if
:21:10. > :21:14.they pay for a massage or acupuncture treatment. Not life and
:21:15. > :21:21.death. It is people in miserable conditions. You think, I do not want
:21:22. > :21:25.to get ill. They have brilliant doctors, but the capacity is
:21:26. > :21:30.completely... It is money. In Germany, you pay around 16% of your
:21:31. > :21:37.salary into a contribution insurance system. It is not tax paid like in
:21:38. > :21:41.the UK. I looked at the numbers. In Germany, per capita, you haven't
:21:42. > :21:50.eight hospital beds per capita. In the UK, 2.9 beds per capita. GDP is
:21:51. > :21:56.around 11 or 12%. In Germany. In the UK, 8%. In Germany, you pay more
:21:57. > :22:03.money to solve the problems. And you have a lot of people in the UK and
:22:04. > :22:05.you have had savings and savings in public services while more people
:22:06. > :22:11.come into the country. But then you have the democratic rubble when
:22:12. > :22:15.people get older. -- demographic problem. You need more money but
:22:16. > :22:20.other things as well. One is not to be partisan when dealing with the
:22:21. > :22:24.Labour Party and Conservative Party. Whenever you see a debate about the
:22:25. > :22:28.NHS, it is always posturing. It is never people try to find common
:22:29. > :22:35.ground. The posturing and partisanship handset. -- harms it.
:22:36. > :22:39.It is a political hot potato which is why there are these headlines. If
:22:40. > :22:42.you observe it in the last 20 years, no-one in Government will say, this
:22:43. > :22:47.is something that predates us and will probably happen after we leave.
:22:48. > :22:51.Everyone is trying to prove that firstly, there is no issue, which is
:22:52. > :22:57.what Theresa May was trying to do by deflecting it onto GPs. GPs not
:22:58. > :23:01.pulling their weight. If there is an issue, it is one precipitated by
:23:02. > :23:05.legacy. That is something we picked up from Government before. There is
:23:06. > :23:10.a lot of dishonesty, political fear and partisanship. Political fear, we
:23:11. > :23:14.know that one person who went in to see Tony Blair to be promoted was
:23:15. > :23:21.terribly worried he would get Health. To get it is a bit of...
:23:22. > :23:25.Maybe that is why they have not replaced Jeremy Hunt after all these
:23:26. > :23:27.years. No-one else raised his hand in Cabinet and said, I will take it.
:23:28. > :23:34.Jeremy is doing such a novel job, someone has to fix it. It is a very
:23:35. > :23:42.difficult job. Very difficult job. NHS, after the monarchy, the thing
:23:43. > :23:48.that defines being a modern Brit, the sense of pride in the NHS... It
:23:49. > :23:52.the opening ceremony of the NHS. I come from America and went last if I
:23:53. > :23:57.would never move back, I think, how much money, even with some form of
:23:58. > :24:00.Obamacare, which would be around in a month, but the amount of money
:24:01. > :24:04.have to earn before I pay tax just to ensure my family... Here, that
:24:05. > :24:10.whole thing has been lifted from my shoulders. There is a cultural
:24:11. > :24:13.fixation on it. I think there is a cultural fixation on the NHS in this
:24:14. > :24:19.country and people think that there is this... There was an interview
:24:20. > :24:24.with immigrants to see how well the integrated in the UK. When asked
:24:25. > :24:30.what the NHS dans four, one said National Health Service, and then
:24:31. > :24:34.someone said, no, it is envy of the world.
:24:35. > :24:40.This is the curious thing about the British. I accept that there needs
:24:41. > :24:44.to be more money, particularly on social care. But almost alone in
:24:45. > :24:49.Europe or in the world is this concept of a massive National
:24:50. > :24:55.Service, run effectively from a desk in Whitehall, with a staff of more
:24:56. > :24:59.than 1 million people. Highly centralised. And whenever there is a
:25:00. > :25:05.problem in a part of the system, it becomes a mash of -- massive
:25:06. > :25:09.national scandal. This is not to other countries do it.
:25:10. > :25:14.The Health Service has evolved to this point and changes began going
:25:15. > :25:21.back to the 1980s, when there is an idea of starting the beast coming
:25:22. > :25:27.from conservatives. -- conservatism. People would get fed up with social
:25:28. > :25:33.care and want to go private. And look, the other thing, and this
:25:34. > :25:39.might come out wrong, but because the population of this country shot
:25:40. > :25:43.up after 2004, this put a tremendous stress that has not been budgeted
:25:44. > :25:46.for or accurately assessed by all the consultants who are meant to
:25:47. > :25:50.figure out that. That is true, but as well as more
:25:51. > :25:53.money, the opposite is true. We need a more partisan discussion because
:25:54. > :25:56.we need to be the consensus and there has to be room for new ideas,
:25:57. > :25:59.like what Germany, France and Italy are doing. Let's move on.
:26:00. > :26:00.That's it for Dateline London for this week.
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:26:07. > :26:37.Hello. It is a quieter day for most of us today. There will be a
:26:38. > :26:41.scattering of showers but also some sunshine as well. Some showers
:26:42. > :26:44.running food North Sea coasts could be wintry and this north-west of a