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:00:24. > :00:27.Hello and welcome to Dateline London.

:00:28. > :00:29.Two stories dominate the week and are likely

:00:30. > :00:34.The beginnings of the Trump presidency and the beginning

:00:35. > :00:36.of the end for Britain in the European Union.

:00:37. > :00:39.My guests today are John Fisher Burns of the New York Times,

:00:40. > :00:42.Thomas Kielinger of Die Welt, Polly Toynbee of The Guardian

:00:43. > :00:48.and Dmitry Shishkin of BBC World Service.

:00:49. > :00:51.Donald Trump first, and as he begins the job of being 45th President

:00:52. > :00:53.of the United States, to paraphrase a question

:00:54. > :00:55.from the presidential debates, let's start by saying something

:00:56. > :00:58.nice, positive or hopeful about the new President.

:00:59. > :01:06.This is going to and stretch for you, but have a go! After that

:01:07. > :01:10.inaugural speech in which he reached out to nobody at all, in which he

:01:11. > :01:14.trashed all of the previous Presidents sitting around him very

:01:15. > :01:21.politely, I think the only thing we can seriously hope for is that this

:01:22. > :01:25.meglomaniac will overreach himself to such a degree that he will be

:01:26. > :01:29.impeached as soon as possible, hopefully before that four years is

:01:30. > :01:34.up. And that he will simply be removed. He is utterly unfit to be

:01:35. > :01:40.President of the United States and I think we saw that writ large in his

:01:41. > :01:43.speech which was the most outrageously ungracious speech I

:01:44. > :01:48.think probably any President has ever made at an inauguration. John,

:01:49. > :01:56.I challenge to you do a bit better than that, just a possibility here!

:01:57. > :02:02.Um... Well, there was very little for anybody who is not an American

:02:03. > :02:06.in that speech. There was very little for the people who have felt

:02:07. > :02:10.that American Presidents in the last 30 or 40 years have achieved

:02:11. > :02:19.significant things. But I think if we look at what he's promising for

:02:20. > :02:21.America, rebuilding the infrastructure of America, bringing

:02:22. > :02:26.jobs back to America, these are going to be df things to do. It's

:02:27. > :02:30.not clear where the infrastructure he is going to find the money.

:02:31. > :02:34.Anybody who has travelled through America, particularly anybody who

:02:35. > :02:40.has travelled through the Ohio Valley will know that an attempt, a

:02:41. > :02:44.serious attempt to bring jobs back, to rebuild American industries is

:02:45. > :02:48.long overdue. Therefore, to sum that up in a slogan Put America First,

:02:49. > :02:53.there is another context in the 1930s, but to say in the 21st

:02:54. > :02:59.century I am going to put America first that strikes home, doesn't it?

:03:00. > :03:04.It has, of course some pretty ominous overtones for anybody who

:03:05. > :03:12.knows American history, including it in the 20th century. Isolationism

:03:13. > :03:19.and protectionism then. Theagetives rolled out here in the press and the

:03:20. > :03:22.last few days about Trump, it's hard to disagree on the basis of what we

:03:23. > :03:29.saw in the campaign with very much of it. But on the other hand, 63

:03:30. > :03:35.million people, maybe 66 million people voted for Hillary Clinton,

:03:36. > :03:40.but 63 million people themselves and many of them are far from being

:03:41. > :03:44.crass, vulgar bullies, they found something in Trump that persuaded

:03:45. > :03:48.them that he would change the course of America to their benefit. I think

:03:49. > :03:56.it's far too soon to conclude they were wrong. Thomas, you have covered

:03:57. > :03:59.- been based in Washington and seen inaugurals, the first inaugural of

:04:00. > :04:05.Ronald Reagan was greeted in Britain and Europe with perhaps not the same

:04:06. > :04:09.amount of dismay but there were a lot of headlines saying he is just

:04:10. > :04:14.an actor which was not true because he had eight years as Governor of

:04:15. > :04:19.California. This perception continued throughout his years. In

:04:20. > :04:23.Europe you could never get a set of opinion to understand America is

:04:24. > :04:26.doing from our way of politics and Reagan comes straight from the bone

:04:27. > :04:30.marrow of American identity and he was to be a great President. Nobody

:04:31. > :04:37.recognised that really until today. There is not a single street in

:04:38. > :04:46.Germany that says Reagan Street or Reagan Plaza although he was the guy

:04:47. > :04:50.who said tear down this wall. I totally agree with the nature of his

:04:51. > :04:53.speech with Polly. That leads to a positive conclusion, that he will

:04:54. > :04:59.unite, not Americans so much because he didn't do much to do that in his

:05:00. > :05:02.speech, but unite Europe. Nato will begin to understand that something

:05:03. > :05:08.needs to be done to do better than they have so far. It will also cause

:05:09. > :05:12.minds to pause in the Brexit debate. I don't think EU and Britain can

:05:13. > :05:17.afford to go down the route into trade wars. We are going to have to

:05:18. > :05:24.watch our trade relations with America. That might lead to a

:05:25. > :05:29.unifying amongst Europeans and in relation to Britain, so it will have

:05:30. > :05:33.a positive effect on the Brexit debate, I am sure. President Putin

:05:34. > :05:37.is hoping to talk to Trump sometime soon, I take it the Russian response

:05:38. > :05:43.has been in so far as we can read it positive? In the BBC interview the

:05:44. > :05:49.press Secretary of Putin yesterday said they would go and celebrate the

:05:50. > :05:56.Russian Christian holiday yesterday rather than watch the inaugural

:05:57. > :06:11.address. However, what we know is the potentially summit with ly --

:06:12. > :06:15.what Russian television has been saying and the positive thing is

:06:16. > :06:19.they call him the man of his word and that's interesting in itself.

:06:20. > :06:23.Politicians generally say they don't know what is going to happen really

:06:24. > :06:27.because there is nothing to say anything concrete about his policies

:06:28. > :06:32.moving forward but what they are definitely saying because the tide

:06:33. > :06:35.is changing, they think actually making Trump think about America

:06:36. > :06:42.only is actually good for Russia because it means that Russia can

:06:43. > :06:47.comb and again start asserting its -- can go and aagain start asserts

:06:48. > :06:52.its influence. In the look at the wish list it's not going to be

:06:53. > :06:57.dissimilar to Trump's possible agenda. Maybe apart from Middle East

:06:58. > :07:01.where Syria is one thing but actually long-term Middle East

:07:02. > :07:06.strategy for Russia and America are quite different. It was also said

:07:07. > :07:09.that there can't be real progress in Syria without the Americans, in

:07:10. > :07:14.other words, the possibility of some deal with a deal-maker. Precisely. I

:07:15. > :07:18.guess this is exactly right about Nato but I think even if America

:07:19. > :07:23.withdraws itself from different types of bodies, from world bank,

:07:24. > :07:30.IMF, UN, this is all actually positive, will be seen positive in

:07:31. > :07:34.Moscow. I thought one of the first casualties of Trump's vision for

:07:35. > :07:37.America is his hope for improved relationships with Russia and Putin

:07:38. > :07:40.and the fact that he's appointed, for example, as Secretary of Defence

:07:41. > :07:48.and he is not alone, amongst the Cabinet nominees, somebody who takes

:07:49. > :07:53.a much tougher line on Russia. It's indicative and it won't be very long

:07:54. > :07:57.before Trump and Putin fall out. You are right. That's why I think the

:07:58. > :08:00.current feeling in Moscow is the feeling of let's wait and see what

:08:01. > :08:04.will happen because actually I wouldn't actually be surprised by

:08:05. > :08:07.hearing on the Russian television moving forward that Trump is our

:08:08. > :08:11.guy, he is good, he really means well but he is surrounded by the

:08:12. > :08:17.establishment and the hawks of Washington won't allow him. I think

:08:18. > :08:22.what we see is two rather similar and perhaps impulsive characters. I

:08:23. > :08:26.think the idea that they're going to somehow make great friendship, it

:08:27. > :08:30.will take very little, there is a tinder box, it will take little for

:08:31. > :08:33.either to take great offence at something the other one does. The

:08:34. > :08:37.possibility of friction seems much greater than the idea of this -

:08:38. > :08:41.unless of course it is true he is totally in Putin's hands and he has

:08:42. > :08:47.blackmail material and all of that, but leaving that aside. I would

:08:48. > :08:53.agree and also say they're both people - actually for Putin to be

:08:54. > :08:59.seen alone with Trump in this kind of Russia-US really important summit

:09:00. > :09:08.is an important thing. Interesting this choreography, if there is a

:09:09. > :09:10.summit. People within the Reagan administration said the President

:09:11. > :09:14.tried to give away all nuclear weapons. Afterwards people thought

:09:15. > :09:18.what was wrong about that? Is this possible to dream that kind of

:09:19. > :09:22.thing? The dream continues, I am sure quite rightly but the way

:09:23. > :09:26.Reagan went about it without consulting with his allies was

:09:27. > :09:30.totally negative. Mind you, Reagan started as far as Russia is

:09:31. > :09:34.concerned with that famous statement in the first press conference the

:09:35. > :09:38.day after he was inaugurated when he was asked what do you think about

:09:39. > :09:42.the Soviet Union, he said they lie, they cheat and want to conquer the

:09:43. > :09:47.world. For Trump to give Putin so much of the benefit of the doubt

:09:48. > :09:56.already saying you can trust him when Russia has to reearn its trust

:09:57. > :09:59.after all that happened recently with the Olympics, drugs scandals

:10:00. > :10:04.and interfering in American debates, so to come out with this statement

:10:05. > :10:10.to trust Putin, he says I trust Putin as much as I trust Angela

:10:11. > :10:16.Merkel. It didn't go down well in Germany. In terms of what you think

:10:17. > :10:22.he might do if he does spend a lot of money somehow domesticically and

:10:23. > :10:24.rebuilding infrastructure which just about anybody thinks needs rebuilt,

:10:25. > :10:30.where is the money going to come from, but also he has to persuade

:10:31. > :10:32.Congress. Isn't one of the big, it may not be as obvious as foreign

:10:33. > :10:37.policy to people in Europe and around the world but he has to deal

:10:38. > :10:41.with people in Congress who are in the Republican Party who have power

:10:42. > :10:44.and some of whom don't like him. The question is will they be close to

:10:45. > :10:48.him because he is the President and they have to be seen to be or will

:10:49. > :10:54.they look at the next election which is in two years as far as they're

:10:55. > :11:00.concerned and say not sure? Many years I spent in China, the Chinese

:11:01. > :11:06.Government, when asked a question they didn't want to answer, the

:11:07. > :11:10.situation remains to be determined. This certainly, there are so many

:11:11. > :11:18.uncertainties we can not know. It seems one plain point of friction is

:11:19. > :11:22.going to be money. On the one hand Trump has talked about doing

:11:23. > :11:25.something about this huge multitrillion dollar deficit. On the

:11:26. > :11:28.other hand he wants to build up the Armed Forces on which the United

:11:29. > :11:34.States is already spending the best part of $700 billion a year. Now he

:11:35. > :11:39.wants to rebuild American - where is the money coming from? It has to

:11:40. > :11:44.come via Congress. Congress, we know Republicans are very loath to spend

:11:45. > :11:48.money. I think it's going to be a lot of conflict there. It's

:11:49. > :11:51.interesting how little he was scrutinised. What's been

:11:52. > :11:54.extraordinary about this election is that any normal election, a

:11:55. > :11:59.presidential candidate would have to answer that question. You are going

:12:00. > :12:06.to cut taxes and spend hugely on Armed Forces, huge amount on

:12:07. > :12:09.infrastructure, you are going to save working class America, where

:12:10. > :12:15.are the tax cuts coming? They're all for the rich, not for the poor. How

:12:16. > :12:21.does he square any of that? Nobody ever got to force him to answer

:12:22. > :12:28.those. I think there are more dissimilarities between Trump and

:12:29. > :12:32.Reagan. One obvious dissimilarity is that Reagan was a charming

:12:33. > :12:35.individual. Even his political opponents found him a likeable

:12:36. > :12:42.individual. It seems to me that's not the case with Trump. In terms of

:12:43. > :12:48.his relationships with Congress that may prove to be another difficulty.

:12:49. > :12:52.Could I suggest one thing that - one strong positive you may dislike is

:12:53. > :12:59.that he is a great communicator. People will look at the speech and

:13:00. > :13:03.so on but to people he needs to contact or communicate with, the use

:13:04. > :13:06.of Twitter which is just a thing that's said and is republished,

:13:07. > :13:10.that's one of the reasons why he wasn't scrutinised in the way you

:13:11. > :13:12.suggest because he was able to say in 140 characters make America great

:13:13. > :13:16.again and people thought that's a great idea. Yeah, the Twitter has

:13:17. > :13:21.been brilliant. He is plainly going to go on with it, all day and all

:13:22. > :13:24.night tweeting away. It means that he doesn't get challenged or

:13:25. > :13:30.questioned. He puts it out there to his own followers. That works very

:13:31. > :13:36.well. I think that's a frightening lesson for modern politicians.

:13:37. > :13:39.Listening to that rather doll inaugural speech yesterday, it was

:13:40. > :13:44.indeed -- dull inaugural speech yesterday, it was indeed written by

:13:45. > :13:48.Donald Trump. He said he was going to eradicate Islamic terror, that's

:13:49. > :13:53.going to be a difficult job, but setting a tone that is something he

:13:54. > :13:57.can clearly work with Moscow on. As you remember, the relationship

:13:58. > :14:01.between Russia or Soviet Union and the West always were - they were

:14:02. > :14:06.constructive on anything to do with nuclear missile treaties, irrespect

:14:07. > :14:10.yaf of how bad the relationship were in early 80s, they still were able

:14:11. > :14:17.to go and do something on the missiles. In terms of the

:14:18. > :14:19.co-operation between the secret services, definitely post-9/11 when

:14:20. > :14:24.Putin was the first to call Bush and he was proud of that, he has

:14:25. > :14:29.suggested his help and this will continue definitely. Let's just not

:14:30. > :14:32.make mistakes about why, what aims put isn't trying to achieve in the

:14:33. > :14:35.Middle East or anywhere else and others because obviously as I was

:14:36. > :14:42.referring to the wish list, the wish list goes much further than that.

:14:43. > :14:49.There is a question about Ukraine and Georgia and not joining Nato, we

:14:50. > :14:55.were - this is this legend, nobody knows whether it is true, whether it

:14:56. > :14:59.was promised not a single country in Europe would join Nato after

:15:00. > :15:01.reunification of Germany. There is mixed stories about whether this

:15:02. > :15:05.happened. Here the same thing. I think I agree with you, if they hit

:15:06. > :15:09.it off it will be really fabulous relationship between them two for

:15:10. > :15:15.the next whatever years. But it's hard. The difference is Putin has a

:15:16. > :15:23.plan. I don't think Trump has a plan, he has tweets, I don't think

:15:24. > :15:26.he knows where Georgia is. A tired phrase already, in a world where

:15:27. > :15:30.people believe with their hearts and react with their hearts, rather than

:15:31. > :15:34.their minds, we are talking about scrutiny, we as journalists are

:15:35. > :15:39.interested in that sort of thing. I guess societies in large around the

:15:40. > :15:44.world probably are going to the fact that different thing. There are

:15:45. > :15:50.obvious problems. For instance, Iran is a defacto ally in the Middle East

:15:51. > :15:53.with Russia and Iran is one of the bogeymen Donald Trump has threatened

:15:54. > :15:58.to change relations with. That's one of the questions they are not going

:15:59. > :16:04.to be comfortable talking about. In the Middle East also if America,

:16:05. > :16:09.obviously sides with Saudi Arabia, Russia clearly with Iran, so that's

:16:10. > :16:13.the biggest issue. Relations with the rest of the world, the most

:16:14. > :16:16.important is with the White House relationship with Congress. No

:16:17. > :16:23.wonder we call Congress the other arm of Government. That is central.

:16:24. > :16:27.He can't do anything unless he strikes an emoll yant or tolerant

:16:28. > :16:35.relationship with Congress. Carter had a majority of his own party in

:16:36. > :16:42.Congress but he was constantly bogged down by fighting in Congress.

:16:43. > :16:47.He can't make peace with Congress. So it's essential that Congress and

:16:48. > :17:04.Trump will get on. I am not sure they will. It's a terrible juvenile

:17:05. > :17:09.habity of his to be pursuing. He communicate with people who will not

:17:10. > :17:13.listen to White House speeches, it communicate with a lot of people. He

:17:14. > :17:18.doesn't read anything himself, he says I haven't got time. All he can

:17:19. > :17:21.read is tweets. He assumes all his followers read tweets. He

:17:22. > :17:29.overpromises. That speech raised expectations in the wild sort of

:17:30. > :17:37.fashion which Congress soon will shut down I am sure. We should

:17:38. > :17:45.remember McMilline, events, dear boy, events. Some events may be

:17:46. > :17:55.forthcoming and unimaginable, the events of 2016 were unimaginable a

:17:56. > :18:03.year ago. It could not, for example - what if there is friction on the

:18:04. > :18:07.borders with Russia and Estonia and Lithuania, how long would that last?

:18:08. > :18:12.We don't know that, if he is convinced he needs to build

:18:13. > :18:16.factories and whatever, then he said that America first and potentially,

:18:17. > :18:18.you know, Estonia... At the end of the queue. I want to come on to

:18:19. > :18:23.queues about trade and other things. Theresa May made clear her plans

:18:24. > :18:26.for Brexit this week. Britain out of the single market

:18:27. > :18:30.was clear enough but if we don't get a deal she said Britain is prepared

:18:31. > :18:32.to walk away. Does anyone have any idea

:18:33. > :18:35.what that might mean? And how is Mrs May's

:18:36. > :18:40.clarity or otherwise First of all, we will get to the

:18:41. > :18:44.trade talks with the head of the queue, back of the queue, whatever,

:18:45. > :18:47.but in Germany when people heard what Theresa May had to say was it

:18:48. > :18:52.much clearer what Britain is aiming for? Well, it's very hard for

:18:53. > :18:56.Germans to understand the way the British mind ticks. Still to this

:18:57. > :19:02.day they don't understand how a nation, a member of the EU can even

:19:03. > :19:08.conceive of leaving it. This notion of the island nation going for the

:19:09. > :19:12.global sort of horizon is totally strange to the way of thinking. We

:19:13. > :19:16.are in Europe surrounded with nothing but friends at the moment

:19:17. > :19:28.and we need to be collectively involved ap for Britain to go it

:19:29. > :19:33.alone - I keep reminding them - a tradition that sea faring nations

:19:34. > :19:38.reached out beyond the immediate continent and neighbourhood and

:19:39. > :19:42.other than that they think they will look at it rationally and the

:19:43. > :19:48.arrival of Trump on the scene as I said before gives me hope, the two

:19:49. > :19:53.sides, the EU and Britain will come together at a workable sort of

:19:54. > :19:59.solution. There is no advantage to be gained from going into a trade

:20:00. > :20:03.war mindset between the EU and Great Britain. While you have to be

:20:04. > :20:08.careful not to make it too easy for Britain to leave it because that

:20:09. > :20:14.would bring up copycat mentalities of other European nations, who might

:20:15. > :20:21.say we can also leave it. That's probably again unofficial hope from

:20:22. > :20:29.within the Kremlin is that basically starting an avalanche for the same

:20:30. > :20:35.trends in other countries. Other countries have their own... The

:20:36. > :20:38.relationship between EU and Russia always subject to this exercise -

:20:39. > :20:44.southern countries were more pro-Russian. I am generalising here.

:20:45. > :20:51.But you definitely have Greece and some former countries... Now you

:20:52. > :20:55.have Le Pen part-financed... If you look at probably the Britain leaving

:20:56. > :21:02.the European Union is out of the public debate in Russia, just not an

:21:03. > :21:05.issue. It's irrelevant? Regular Russians would say I wish we had

:21:06. > :21:08.your problems generally, that would be one way of looking at it and

:21:09. > :21:11.other people would say good for you, we all know how bad the European

:21:12. > :21:16.Union is and go and do it alone because you are a great country. Do

:21:17. > :21:21.you think we have clarity this week? Absolutely not. We got some fairly

:21:22. > :21:27.ill-intent and the idea she would say we are leaving the single market

:21:28. > :21:31.and the customs union but somehow we are going to have magical deal which

:21:32. > :21:34.is just as good as being inside when the response right across Europe,

:21:35. > :21:37.whether it was in Brussels or individual capitals was you can't do

:21:38. > :21:40.that, you are either in or out, there is no way in which you are

:21:41. > :21:44.going to have a better deal, you will not have to pay in, you will

:21:45. > :21:48.not have to accept freedom of movement and then of course this

:21:49. > :21:55.global fantasy, it was extraordinary sort of empire talk. She has an

:21:56. > :21:58.Elizabeth I fantasy apparently she sees herself in this role and we

:21:59. > :22:01.will have she is wonderful trade deals. If we want a trade deal with

:22:02. > :22:10.India, for instance, they will demand more visas. Now a lot of the

:22:11. > :22:15.impetus against Europe was also an anti-Asian, anti-Islamic feeling

:22:16. > :22:18.about immigration as much as it was anti-poles or Hungarians, I don't

:22:19. > :22:22.think people are going to tolerate the idea we have to have more people

:22:23. > :22:26.from India in order to have an Indian deal. The idea we are going

:22:27. > :22:34.to have a good deal with Trump, Trump will make a deal, I

:22:35. > :22:37.interviewed him in 1988, read his appalling book, he always comes out

:22:38. > :22:44.on top, that's the way you do it. Any deal with us and America means

:22:45. > :22:49.we have to accept their regulations, not EU regulations. The moment we do

:22:50. > :22:53.that then we cut ourselves off even more from Europe because we are not

:22:54. > :22:57.accepting European regulations. I have said this on this programme

:22:58. > :23:02.before, a lot of of the discussion about Brexit and where it will carry

:23:03. > :23:06.us is conducted as if we live in a static kind of world and Europe

:23:07. > :23:12.right now is not in a static condition. We know elections in

:23:13. > :23:15.France, indeed in Germany and in Italy can radically change the

:23:16. > :23:19.Europe that Theresa May is negotiating with. Not to mention the

:23:20. > :23:27.Italian banking system and other economic factors. I wouldn't be

:23:28. > :23:32.surprised if Theresa May is quite pleased at the possibility of delay

:23:33. > :23:37.in invoking Article 50 because the further she can push these

:23:38. > :23:40.negotiations into the era of the emerging Europe, the Europe where

:23:41. > :23:46.there could be a referendum in Europe, for example, and in Italy

:23:47. > :23:51.and in France, which could easily go the same way as ours did and I think

:23:52. > :23:56.we might, a year from now... You hear Labour, most of Labour people,

:23:57. > :24:00.a few rebels, Corbyn saying we are going to sign it, the Lib Dems

:24:01. > :24:06.won't, but she will get it through, I am afraid. The other point of

:24:07. > :24:10.clarity, with due respect, I felt it was clear in one aspect, she's

:24:11. > :24:16.willing to go for brinkmanship with Europe. She has a way of taking - if

:24:17. > :24:21.you don't agree, we have another way of becoming a different country.

:24:22. > :24:28.That's a reasonable negotiating tactic. Expect in a terrible

:24:29. > :24:32.prospect, she wants us to be a Singapore, a bargain basement lowest

:24:33. > :24:40.possible tax. We would be cutting off our own nose to spite our face

:24:41. > :24:45.if we did that. I agree and the impossibility of her suggestion of

:24:46. > :24:48.course strikes you immediately because there's so many circles to

:24:49. > :24:54.square as it were. One thing is where is the money? We talk about

:24:55. > :25:00.money in the Trump case, where does she get the money for reforms she

:25:01. > :25:05.promised? I think the UK goes into these negotiations with a few

:25:06. > :25:11.advantages, to cite only one, how many BMWs are sold in this country?

:25:12. > :25:17.265,000, I think. So where is German industry, the motor industry going

:25:18. > :25:25.to be on this issue? They don't want to drive the UK into some sort of

:25:26. > :25:30.isolation. It's holding Europe to ransom on that account. The Germans

:25:31. > :25:34.and the rest of Europe, like us, are less motivated by economics when it

:25:35. > :25:37.comes to the crunch than by principle and their principles about

:25:38. > :25:42.Europe will be stronger, just as ours were. We have done ourselves

:25:43. > :25:45.terrible economic harm for the sake of a fantasy belief in our great

:25:46. > :25:50.independented pence. Have we done ourselves harm? We don't know. It's

:25:51. > :25:56.likely. It hasn't happened yet. We haven't done anything yet. We are

:25:57. > :26:00.not out. Markets are all predictive. The markets seem to have decided

:26:01. > :26:05.this is a do-able thing. From somebody who came to this country

:26:06. > :26:08.about 16 years ago, I can say that I can feel that actually

:26:09. > :26:13.internationally, globally, Britain as a country where English is

:26:14. > :26:16.spoken, part of Europe will still be extremely interesting for people

:26:17. > :26:22.from Asia to come and do business with, from south Asia, east Asia,

:26:23. > :26:28.Russia, other countries. Africa, as well. There is something culturally

:26:29. > :26:32.and Britain will remain a big magnet. A large part of that is our

:26:33. > :26:36.relationship with the United States and the fact that we have a common

:26:37. > :26:37.language and to some considerable extent common culture. We will have

:26:38. > :26:41.to leave it there. That's it for Dateline

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