:00:22. > :00:27.Two examples of power to the people for us this week,
:00:28. > :00:29.but with very different responses from those in charge.
:00:30. > :00:33.Russia saw some of the largest street protests of Vladimir Putin's
:00:34. > :00:36.17 years in power, which ended with more than one thousand arrests
:00:37. > :00:43.Nine months after the British voted to leave the European Union,
:00:44. > :00:46.Prime Minister Theresa May sent a polite letter to Brussels
:00:47. > :00:52.To discuss the week's events in Russia and the EU,
:00:53. > :00:55.with me are three journalists who write to the world from London:
:00:56. > :00:57.The Russian-born writer Alexander Nekrassov,
:00:58. > :00:59.Michael Gove MP, who was a Conservative cabinet
:01:00. > :01:01.minister until last summer, and is now a columnist
:01:02. > :01:05.And Stefanie Bolzen, from Germany's Die Welt.
:01:06. > :01:10.Let's begin with Britain's exit from the European Union.
:01:11. > :01:14.Last summer, by a margin of 52% to 48%, people here voted to leave.
:01:15. > :01:17.Theresa May wanted to stay in the EU, but now she has the task
:01:18. > :01:19.of negotiating not just Brexit, as it's become known,
:01:20. > :01:25.Since 1973, Britain's laws have absorbed growing quantities
:01:26. > :01:28.of regulations devised between the 28 member
:01:29. > :01:32.countries, on which a court in Luxembourg has the final say.
:01:33. > :01:35.Those who want to stay argue this pooling of sovereignty has made it
:01:36. > :01:37.easier to trade and has created new protections in areas
:01:38. > :01:44.Supporters of Brexit say it's simply a case of taking back control.
:01:45. > :01:52.Michael Gove, you were a supporter of Brexit, a big advocate during
:01:53. > :01:58.last year's campaign. On Wednesday, the tone was sadness on all sides.
:01:59. > :02:01.By Friday it had become steely. Should we be preparing for a long
:02:02. > :02:08.and bloody war between the two sides before the deal is reached? I think
:02:09. > :02:10.we should be preparing for a professional and hard edged
:02:11. > :02:14.negotiation which at the end of it will result in a strong partnership
:02:15. > :02:18.between both sides. It is absolutely the case that while Donald Tusk
:02:19. > :02:23.expressed his sadness that Britain was leaving, he is also clear that
:02:24. > :02:27.he wants at the end of this process, all European negotiations want at
:02:28. > :02:30.the end of this process, a free trade deal between Britain and
:02:31. > :02:34.Europe and the preservation of security cooperation and other links
:02:35. > :02:38.which are in all our interests. I suspect that when historians come to
:02:39. > :02:41.look back on Britain's membership of the European Union, they will see
:02:42. > :02:45.those 40 odd years as an anomaly in Britain's history, and they will
:02:46. > :02:52.conclude that people like Hugh Gaitskell and shall Charles de
:02:53. > :03:01.Gaulle were right, that we were destined to be friendly but
:03:02. > :03:05.separate. Is that right, Stefanie Bolzen? I came across a sentence by
:03:06. > :03:09.Winston Churchill who said, if we ever had to choose between Europe
:03:10. > :03:13.and the open sea, we will always choose the open sea, so we are now
:03:14. > :03:18.out there on the open sea, and we have seen by the answer of the
:03:19. > :03:22.president of European Council, but immediately the tone here in Britain
:03:23. > :03:26.has changed, and one is talking about provocation by the EU 27,
:03:27. > :03:31.going down the path of war, and let's just say it is a sensitive
:03:32. > :03:35.situation we are in, and I think everybody who was a stakeholder is
:03:36. > :03:39.to be treating us with a lot of responsible to. How much, Stephanie
:03:40. > :03:43.Baker, do you think we are at Brent Winship? We had this from Britain
:03:44. > :03:48.say we must do the two things together, we must have our divorce
:03:49. > :03:53.negotiations but also our trade agreement running side-by-side, and
:03:54. > :03:58.Brussels says, Angela Merkel says, divorce first and then we talk
:03:59. > :04:01.trade. I think this shows you how complex these negotiations will be.
:04:02. > :04:07.They can't even agree on process, let alone the issues at hand. There
:04:08. > :04:10.was some hope, and some people expressing hope that Theresa May's
:04:11. > :04:16.letter to Donald Tusk this week might have led to some kind of
:04:17. > :04:21.associate membership that was voiced in various quarters, but remember
:04:22. > :04:24.she did reiterate her stance that she does not want the UK in the
:04:25. > :04:27.single market or the customs union because she wants to be able to
:04:28. > :04:32.negotiate free-trade agreements with other countries. But this is the
:04:33. > :04:38.issue that worries business is the most, if you look at what businesses
:04:39. > :04:41.are doing and how they are reacting to this, they are re-evaluated
:04:42. > :04:45.business in the UK and implementing their contingency plans, and you
:04:46. > :04:51.already see the big players in the City of London, Lloyd's of London,
:04:52. > :04:56.Goldman Sachs, opening offices on the continent, shifting jobs, and
:04:57. > :05:00.you will see a slow burn. Now you see Theresa May finally recognising,
:05:01. > :05:03.she finally mentioned it in her letter to Donald Tusk, that
:05:04. > :05:08.financial services are imported to the UK economy, and the task pushed
:05:09. > :05:13.back saying we will not give any special deals for specific sectors.
:05:14. > :05:16.So she has overpromised and the British people on what is possible,
:05:17. > :05:20.and I think it will be hard for her to deliver. And difficult for her
:05:21. > :05:27.party, as well, Michael Gove, because she was a Remain a, and she
:05:28. > :05:30.has to convince them that she is now committed to Brexit, there will be
:05:31. > :05:35.people in the party who say, we cannot compromise on this, people
:05:36. > :05:40.will be trying to do the negotiation almost on her behalf. The Prime
:05:41. > :05:43.Minister will face pressures from people who feel strongly on either
:05:44. > :05:48.side of the debate, but she is in a stronger position domestically than
:05:49. > :05:52.any other leader in western Europe, she is 19 points ahead of her
:05:53. > :05:56.principal opposition about it and doesn't face an election. So of
:05:57. > :06:02.course there are domestic waters to navigate, but actually, Theresa goes
:06:03. > :06:08.into these negotiations with United and solid Conservative Party behind
:06:09. > :06:12.her, a Labour Party incapable of providing opposition, and with a
:06:13. > :06:14.country including those who voted Remain pretty solidly convinced that
:06:15. > :06:20.we now have to proceed with our departure. More than that, she also
:06:21. > :06:24.has the goodwill of a variety of international partners outside the
:06:25. > :06:28.European Union as well. So of course in these negotiations there will be
:06:29. > :06:33.give-and-take, but I think it is important not to underestimate the
:06:34. > :06:37.strength of the position the Prime Minister is in. How prepared are
:06:38. > :06:42.they to negotiate with the other 27? Angela Merkel has been adamant on
:06:43. > :06:46.separating the process first. First we talk about the divorce, and that
:06:47. > :06:52.is mainly the status of EU citizens in the UK and on the continent, but
:06:53. > :06:56.it is also about the money. Somebody in Berlin said to be this week, it
:06:57. > :06:59.is a question of trust. The British Prime Minister will have to give
:07:00. > :07:04.something very substantial in the beginning, and I wonder where you
:07:05. > :07:10.sake she is strong domestically, but she will get a lot of grief about
:07:11. > :07:13.that. This did your former boss, David Cameron, because he got his
:07:14. > :07:22.renegotiation, and everybody said, that is not very impressive, he had
:07:23. > :07:26.to give away too much. There is a willingness to give the Prime
:07:27. > :07:29.Minister a benefit of the doubt. The point about divorce first and trade
:07:30. > :07:33.second is those elements of the divorce that have been mentioned by
:07:34. > :07:37.Michel Barnier are all areas that we want to see progress on as well. He
:07:38. > :07:41.said that he wants to make sure that the position of EU citizens in the
:07:42. > :07:45.UK and UK citizens in the EU is settled, we want that as quickly as
:07:46. > :07:48.possible. He also said we don't want a hard border between Northern
:07:49. > :07:52.Ireland and the Republic, we want to ensure that. And it is also clear
:07:53. > :07:55.that while the nature of what Britain might pay in the future, the
:07:56. > :08:01.sum is not going to be resolved rapidly, and it is also clear from
:08:02. > :08:04.other European Prime Ministers that they don't want the sum resolves
:08:05. > :08:08.necessarily rapidly to be able to move on to other talks, they just
:08:09. > :08:11.want an acknowledgement of the fact that Britain will play its part in
:08:12. > :08:15.making sure that the European Union budget which would be revisited
:08:16. > :08:19.until 2021 would be resolved satisfactorily. How do you think
:08:20. > :08:23.they will be looking at this in Moscow, Alexander Nekrassov? This is
:08:24. > :08:28.the European Union that Britain was part of for nearly half a century,
:08:29. > :08:30.and it seems to be fractured. I appear on Russian television to
:08:31. > :08:35.explain to the Russian people what is going on here and what is going
:08:36. > :08:47.on with Europe generally. The feeling is that there is a Project
:08:48. > :08:57.Fear continuing in Britain, for example the Remainers have not
:08:58. > :09:01.calculated how much it will cost by the Brexiters if they pull out. And
:09:02. > :09:12.how will it cost Britain? Nobody talks about that. Secondly, I think
:09:13. > :09:16.the Remainers and the Brexit are being allowed a voice and having
:09:17. > :09:24.more tribal, whereas the Brexit people seem to be apologising all
:09:25. > :09:28.that time, apologising to leave. I am glad that we voted to leave, but
:09:29. > :09:34.I also recognise that having voted to leave, we have to respect the
:09:35. > :09:40.rights of priorities of the EU 27, so I want us to be in a position
:09:41. > :09:43.where we are the end of this process remain friends and partners. So I
:09:44. > :09:47.think it is very important for those of us who argued that we should
:09:48. > :09:51.leave the European Union to respect the right of the EU 27 to respect
:09:52. > :09:56.their own priorities and implement their victory in their way. You
:09:57. > :09:59.mentioned finances, Alexander. There are big elections coming up, and one
:10:00. > :10:07.outcome in France could be if Marine Le Pen were to win. The euro would
:10:08. > :10:13.be in trouble. I think her chances are very slim. She would have never
:10:14. > :10:17.gone to Moscow with the visit a few weeks before the elections, because
:10:18. > :10:22.that is basically suicidal. That does mean she has no chance. But
:10:23. > :10:25.coming back to the Europe thing, the important thing to understand is
:10:26. > :10:31.that everybody has concentrated on Britain, Britain is entering
:10:32. > :10:35.troubled waters, nobody knows what is going to happen. Europe is
:10:36. > :10:40.entering the same waters. Nobody knows in Europe what to do. My
:10:41. > :10:44.personal opinion is that Europe is more terrified than Britain, because
:10:45. > :10:50.what might happen when this country leaves them. I think they are
:10:51. > :10:54.absolutely terrified. In my personal opinion, Britain should have slammed
:10:55. > :10:59.the door in Europe's face and said, we are leaving, if you don't give us
:11:00. > :11:05.what we want, we just walk away, Europe will sink. Can I just
:11:06. > :11:08.interrupt? I am German and going a lot to Germany and other European
:11:09. > :11:12.countries, and I do not find anybody who was terrified because the UK is
:11:13. > :11:21.leaving, because the UK leaving Europe is doomed. Not Europe, the
:11:22. > :11:27.EU. Even the EU. Germany has never had such low unemployment since
:11:28. > :11:31.1991. It is in a very good place... Germany was profiting from the EU,
:11:32. > :11:36.the only country that was. Hoiland is going well, Austria. I think it
:11:37. > :11:40.is time for everyone to say that the project benefited Germany most of
:11:41. > :11:46.all. Let's be fair. Let's be honest about it. Why are we always
:11:47. > :11:53.pussyfooting around this? This is not about pussyfooting... Germany is
:11:54. > :12:00.terrified, Merkel is terrified of Britain leaving, because it can
:12:01. > :12:10.start chain reaction. So why did we cease much unity after the 23rd of
:12:11. > :12:13.June 2016? There is no unity? No? If there was unity, they would already
:12:14. > :12:17.be in a position, they have had nine months after the referendum, they
:12:18. > :12:23.could have worked out, there is no position, no unity, they don't know
:12:24. > :12:26.what to do... And I suppose the thing, Michael Gove, is in
:12:27. > :12:31.situation, because of the elections in the summer in France and the
:12:32. > :12:34.autumn in Germany, serious negotiations without knowing who is
:12:35. > :12:37.in charge in France and Germany can't really start until after that,
:12:38. > :12:42.can they? Certain things can be resolved. It is the case that
:12:43. > :12:44.concern among some French politicians and German politicians
:12:45. > :12:48.about what they might term populism would mean that they would not want
:12:49. > :12:53.to be seen to be giving Britain too much for fear of encouraging those
:12:54. > :12:59.populist movements. However, I sense that both in France and in Germany,
:13:00. > :13:05.the surge of Marine Le Pen or the alternative Deutschland has been
:13:06. > :13:11.capped, and whatever the long-term future, in the medium term there is
:13:12. > :13:15.confidence that Emanuel Krom will be French president and Angela Merkel
:13:16. > :13:20.will remain as Chancellor. And there was a lot of confidence last summer
:13:21. > :13:27.that Hillary Clinton would be President of the United States! Yes,
:13:28. > :13:30.but I think the leaders of the EU feel more comfortable in their skins
:13:31. > :13:34.and more prepared to deal with Britain in a businesslike way rather
:13:35. > :13:38.than having to look over their shoulder at insurgents in their own
:13:39. > :13:43.backyard. Stephanie Baker, we are back again one way or another to the
:13:44. > :13:47.question of the money. Has to be a deal from the EU 27 point of view
:13:48. > :13:51.that doesn't make being outside the European Union more attractive than
:13:52. > :13:53.being in it, and whether it or not you are right, Alexander, about
:13:54. > :13:58.other countries looking for an exit, there is always that fear that once
:13:59. > :14:01.one country has left, it was supposed to never happen and it is
:14:02. > :14:07.happening. But in terms of agreeing the money, there have to be
:14:08. > :14:10.compromises. Has anybody done any proper analysis as to how much
:14:11. > :14:24.Britain should be paying to leave? There was a report that estimated
:14:25. > :14:32.25-30,000,000,000 as a figure. That is a bargaining position. It is,
:14:33. > :14:38.which is why Theresa May might be prepared to pay more for future
:14:39. > :14:43.access, but this has never been done before, so we don't know, what is
:14:44. > :14:50.the trade-off? I will give you EU pensions if you give me the wine
:14:51. > :14:54.cellar? There are so many variables that need to be worked out, which is
:14:55. > :15:01.why she wants, sensibly, to do it simultaneously. Obviously from the
:15:02. > :15:05.EU 27's point of view, UK wants to leave, that is fine, all they care
:15:06. > :15:10.about is the terms of departure. They don't need to give a future
:15:11. > :15:15.free-trade agreement with the UK. That is a secondary issue. And
:15:16. > :15:18.speaking to your point, I think Brexit is all consuming in this
:15:19. > :15:22.country, and I don't think it is in the other European capitals. It is
:15:23. > :15:26.lower down in the pecking order, and they think it has in some sense
:15:27. > :15:31.given the fallout from the referendum, encouraged a degree of
:15:32. > :15:34.unity and taken the wind out of the sails of some of these populist
:15:35. > :15:38.movements on the continent. And recently, you see every weekend in
:15:39. > :15:42.Germany thousands and thousands of people going on the street and
:15:43. > :15:48.protesting in favour of Europe, so I still can't see why you think every
:15:49. > :15:55.German will think the EU is doomed. I think to be fair Germany because
:15:56. > :15:58.of the way in which the euro was constructed has had an advantage,
:15:59. > :16:03.and I think the unhappiness within the European Union, and again I
:16:04. > :16:07.recognise it is for EU countries to resolve their own fate, is in the
:16:08. > :16:11.south, Greece, Portugal, Italy, Spain, where the pain of the single
:16:12. > :16:12.currency has been felt. And we have this to talk about for months and
:16:13. > :16:15.months! Let's move east. Corruption is not a word you hear
:16:16. > :16:18.used much in British politics. Even the European Union's
:16:19. > :16:20.critics are more inclined to accuse its bureaucrats of waste
:16:21. > :16:23.and of not supervising properly how the money is spent rather
:16:24. > :16:26.than of ripping off member countries In Russia, though, last
:16:27. > :16:30.weekend Alexei Navalny, the most prominent of a relatively
:16:31. > :16:34.small number of politicians to publicly oppose President Putin,
:16:35. > :16:37.produced a report accusing Dmitry Medvedev, prime
:16:38. > :16:38.minister turned president turned prime minister
:16:39. > :16:39.again, of corruption. He urged people to take
:16:40. > :16:44.to the streets to protest. For Muscovites, that resulted
:16:45. > :16:46.in more than 1,000 arrests. The week ended with Mr Navalny
:16:47. > :16:48.serving the start of "Those who go outside
:16:49. > :17:04.the law must be punished", Alexander, there are going to be
:17:05. > :17:09.more protests, inevitably. That is the nature of the beast, once
:17:10. > :17:14.protests have started, they always continue. What will be the Russian
:17:15. > :17:20.response? We're already seeing handcuffs on Mr Navalny. Do keep
:17:21. > :17:25.ratcheting up that reaction? Corruption is a problem in Russia.
:17:26. > :17:32.Nobody will deny this. But Russia is one of the few countries in the
:17:33. > :17:36.world, maybe China as well, where a big politicians, or cabinet
:17:37. > :17:39.ministers, actually, bankers, governors of vast regions are
:17:40. > :17:45.arrested and put in jail for corruption. Give me another example
:17:46. > :17:51.of any country in the western world where such things happen? I do not
:17:52. > :17:55.know about such things. There is a war on corruption, but
:17:56. > :18:02.unfortunately, this corruption problem has a western angle to it.
:18:03. > :18:06.You probably read about the Russian money-laundering in London and other
:18:07. > :18:11.places in the West. Unfortunately, western banks are open to such
:18:12. > :18:16.money. Unfortunately, the problem is that some of these officials, quite
:18:17. > :18:24.a few of them in Russia, all these sort of criminals, they move that
:18:25. > :18:28.money to the West. Until the West helps Russia and the banks stop
:18:29. > :18:33.accepting billions and billions of dollars coming from Russia, to fight
:18:34. > :18:38.corruption in Russia is very difficult. It is the same with
:18:39. > :18:42.China, by the way. Lots of Chinese money is coming into western banks.
:18:43. > :18:48.Nobody as the question, nobody says anything. As regard to the protests
:18:49. > :18:55.themselves, I must say, they were not massive. I am not trying to
:18:56. > :19:00.demean them. 1000 plus people on the streets of Moscow? By Russian
:19:01. > :19:08.standards, that was not something like we had in 2012. That was not
:19:09. > :19:13.massive. As for Mr Navalny. He makes Marine Le Pen look like a schoolgirl
:19:14. > :19:18.with some of his statements. Russia is only for Russians, no immigrants,
:19:19. > :19:24.that sort of stuff. You have to be careful. As to my question, more of
:19:25. > :19:32.a crackdown if these protests continue? I do not really see large
:19:33. > :19:41.protest continuing. Navalny does not have the support in the country.
:19:42. > :19:46.Still, Putin has vast support, 80% plus. Another thing which people
:19:47. > :19:50.here do not understand is that the more the West puts pressure on
:19:51. > :19:56.Putin, the more popular he is in Russia. All these sanctions, the
:19:57. > :20:01.constant reminders that Russia is going to invade or attack, or
:20:02. > :20:05.interfere, like we have in Washington, Russia is now deciding
:20:06. > :20:11.who the president of the US is going to be, this plays into his hands. Of
:20:12. > :20:14.course western banks are enabling Russian corruption, there is no
:20:15. > :20:18.doubt. Of course Horacio Cartes is -- of course Putin is popular and
:20:19. > :20:23.will likely win re-election next year but to say that the only reason
:20:24. > :20:26.that Russian corruption is continuing, that the Russian
:20:27. > :20:30.authorities would crackdown if it were not for the western banks, that
:20:31. > :20:35.is ridiculous. The corruption goes to the heart of the Russian
:20:36. > :20:41.government. The protests are interesting. They are different from
:20:42. > :20:46.the last protests in 2012, partly because they spread beyond Moscow
:20:47. > :20:48.and St Petersburg to nearly 100 Russian cities, but most importantly
:20:49. > :20:55.because of the number of young people that came out to protest.
:20:56. > :20:59.Teenagers and university students who do not get their news from
:21:00. > :21:04.Russian state television. They get their news from the Internet, so
:21:05. > :21:08.they are watching not only Navalny's YouTube channel, they are watching
:21:09. > :21:13.videos of Russian troops in eastern Ukraine. How does the Russian
:21:14. > :21:19.government deal with, what does it do to stop these protests from
:21:20. > :21:23.spreading? Already we have seen the Russian prosecutor General blog
:21:24. > :21:30.Internet pages of some of the protesters, calling for new protest
:21:31. > :21:34.tomorrow. He is going to have a hard time reining in this new, young
:21:35. > :21:39.opposition movement that has breathed new life into what has
:21:40. > :21:44.previously been a moribund, demoralised opposition. Michael
:21:45. > :21:47.Gove, you're back from Washington. There was a time when America would
:21:48. > :21:52.have been very publicly saying it was on the side of the protesters on
:21:53. > :21:57.the streets. Presumably not at the moment, with the administration of
:21:58. > :22:00.President Trump, giving the difficulties he is facing over the
:22:01. > :22:06.relationship between some in his campaign team and the Russians? Yes,
:22:07. > :22:10.it is striking. The former national security adviser, Mike Flynn, and
:22:11. > :22:15.the former campaign manager, they are in the downsides of Congress and
:22:16. > :22:19.others because of allegations of corruption and collusion, but
:22:20. > :22:27.separate from that, or so it appears, the president and Rex
:22:28. > :22:32.Tillerson are looking for a reset. Every previous president has sought
:22:33. > :22:37.a reset with Mr Putin. President Obama wanted one, President Bush
:22:38. > :22:42.wanted one. The previous president said he thought he was a good man. I
:22:43. > :22:46.think there will be a disillusionment. Fundamentally, it
:22:47. > :22:51.is very difficult to see how any American president worth their salt
:22:52. > :22:57.can forge an understanding with Putin when there are strategic
:22:58. > :23:01.interests are not aligned, and also when Putin's incursions into the
:23:02. > :23:05.Ukraine and his attitude towards his neighbours is not that of the
:23:06. > :23:10.country which is respecting the national sovereignty of other
:23:11. > :23:15.states. Europe has renewed its sanctions against Russia, but there
:23:16. > :23:21.is there to the relationship now, or is it frozen until President Putin
:23:22. > :23:24.finally leaves office, whenever that is, Stefanie Bolzen? There is a
:23:25. > :23:29.feeling of being powerless against what is going on in Russia, and we
:23:30. > :23:32.have seen protests in the past, the past, the killing of Boris Nemtsov,
:23:33. > :23:38.we have seen one person go to jail. He is now living in London. There is
:23:39. > :23:51.a feeling that there is not much that we can do.
:23:52. > :23:54.In looking at what is going on in Washington, and they're probably
:23:55. > :23:56.relieved that for the time being Donald Trump cannot really move on
:23:57. > :23:59.Russia, he cannot commit anything. He has said in the past that he
:24:00. > :24:02.would lift sanctions. But whatever he might now do towards Russia will
:24:03. > :24:05.be seen in the context of what is going on. It must be very
:24:06. > :24:07.frustrating for some of those people in Moscow who were celebrating when
:24:08. > :24:12.President Trump was elected, this is a man we can do business with, not
:24:13. > :24:18.like dreadful Hillary Clinton, we have seen her off, but now his hands
:24:19. > :24:25.are tied? What we are witnessing in Washington is not an attack on
:24:26. > :24:31.Washington, it is an attack on Trump. People have missed this
:24:32. > :24:38.point. The US Congress, is trying, along with intelligence agencies, to
:24:39. > :24:41.unseat the US president. That is remarkable. In Moscow, in the
:24:42. > :24:47.Kremlin, they are quite bemused by what is going on. Putin is
:24:48. > :24:52.approaching another election next year in March. He is basically not
:24:53. > :24:57.doing anything, because the West is doing everything for him. The
:24:58. > :25:01.election campaign is run from London, Paris, Berlin and
:25:02. > :25:06.Washington. There must be marginal fears among some, the word
:25:07. > :25:11.whispered, impeachment, maybe it is being said a little bit louder in
:25:12. > :25:16.Washington than it might have been a few months ago. Donald Trump does
:25:17. > :25:20.not look as secure as he did. It is unlikely that he will be impeached
:25:21. > :25:26.with the Republican-controlled Congress. This week, Michael Flynn,
:25:27. > :25:30.the former national security adviser, his offer to testify before
:25:31. > :25:33.the house and Senate intelligence committees in exchange for immunity
:25:34. > :25:39.from prosecution. That indicates that perhaps he had something really
:25:40. > :25:42.explosive to drop, or is he is worried that he has all ready
:25:43. > :25:47.violated so many rules he wants to get something in exchange. We do not
:25:48. > :25:51.know that so far. The Senate intelligence committee seems to have
:25:52. > :25:55.pushed back on his offer for unity, and is not ready to entertain it. It
:25:56. > :26:02.could take months for that to pan out. That is something to look
:26:03. > :26:03.forward to. Thank you all very much for being with us on Dateline this
:26:04. > :26:07.That's it for Dateline London for this week.
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