0:00:24 > 0:00:25Hello and welcome to Dateline London.
0:00:25 > 0:00:31I'm Jane Hill.
0:00:31 > 0:00:34This week, we discuss an extraordinary few days in Spain,
0:00:34 > 0:00:35what's next for Catalonia?
0:00:35 > 0:00:38And in China, is President Xi
0:00:38 > 0:00:42Jinping preparing to rule well beyond the usual 10 year term?
0:00:42 > 0:00:45And what could that mean for all of us?
0:00:45 > 0:00:48My guests, Celia Maza de Pablo, from La Razon,
0:00:48 > 0:00:52Stephanie Baker from Bloomberg News, Thomas Kielinger from Die Welt,
0:00:52 > 0:00:54and the CEO of China Dialogue, Isabel Hilton.
0:00:54 > 0:01:00Welcome to you all.
0:01:00 > 0:01:04So, what an extraordinary period we are witnessing in Spain.
0:01:04 > 0:01:07The Catalonan Parliament voted to declare independence on Friday,
0:01:07 > 0:01:10prompting the government in Madrid to strip the region of its powers,
0:01:10 > 0:01:12remove the Catalan leader, and fire senior police.
0:01:12 > 0:01:15Fresh elections have been scheduled for December.
0:01:15 > 0:01:19Demonstrations for and against independence went on into the night,
0:01:19 > 0:01:22with doubtless more to come.
0:01:27 > 0:01:30Celia, what is your reading? What on
0:01:30 > 0:01:34Celia, what is your reading? What on earth happens next?This is
0:01:34 > 0:01:40completely an unprecedented situation. On one hand, we have a
0:01:40 > 0:01:43region of Spain declaring unilateral independence and we have a central
0:01:43 > 0:01:50government that for the first time in Spanish history is going to apply
0:01:50 > 0:01:55Article 155 in order to take control of the Catalan government and to
0:01:55 > 0:02:01hold an election on the 21st of December. Let me start explaining
0:02:01 > 0:02:05because I think it's important to the way the Catalan parliament
0:02:05 > 0:02:10approved yesterday this declaration of Independence. Half of the chamber
0:02:10 > 0:02:16was empty and the members of the separatist parties voted secretly,
0:02:16 > 0:02:23because they know they could face charges of up to 30 years in prison.
0:02:23 > 0:02:28So, right now, they don't have the consensus of the social Catalonia,
0:02:28 > 0:02:31the support of the international community, they don't have the
0:02:31 > 0:02:36control of the territory, they don't have the control of the economy. All
0:02:36 > 0:02:41the key factors that we have seen over the years with other
0:02:41 > 0:02:47independents processes over the world, they are not present in the
0:02:47 > 0:02:51Catalan process. But having said that, as you asked, what happens
0:02:51 > 0:02:57next?What does Madrid do? We know what they say they are going to do,
0:02:57 > 0:03:01sacking the police chiefs already, factors like that, but the risks are
0:03:01 > 0:03:06very high here, everybody watching will remember the violence that
0:03:06 > 0:03:12transpired on October one.We have to see how the separatist parties
0:03:12 > 0:03:19are going to represent this next Catalan election because it's
0:03:19 > 0:03:24important to see first of all what is going to be the legal situation
0:03:24 > 0:03:29of the leaders of the separatist parties by the 21st of December? The
0:03:29 > 0:03:36Spanish prosecutor said that on Monday, they will file shares of
0:03:36 > 0:03:42rebellion against the leaders of these parties. So, maybe there is a
0:03:42 > 0:03:48possibility to see these people in prison by the 21st of December. We
0:03:48 > 0:03:52have to see if the separatist parties are going to boycott this
0:03:52 > 0:03:55election, we have to see if the separatist parties are going to
0:03:55 > 0:04:00introduce this election as the first election of the Republic of
0:04:00 > 0:04:04Catalonia. Obviously, this is going to be a very important election but
0:04:04 > 0:04:13as you say, before this election, we have almost two months ahead, when
0:04:13 > 0:04:17the central government is going to take control of the Catalan
0:04:17 > 0:04:21government and take control of the police. Obviously, this is going to
0:04:21 > 0:04:25escalate the tension because there are some protests already organised
0:04:25 > 0:04:32for the days ahead, and some members of the Catalan government say
0:04:32 > 0:04:38already that some civil servants are going to follow the rules of the
0:04:38 > 0:04:45central government. We have to see if the Mossos squad, the Catalan
0:04:45 > 0:04:50police will keep neutral. We will have a very intense and interesting
0:04:50 > 0:04:55days ahead.It's an intense period and we have to remember not
0:04:55 > 0:05:02everybody in that region wants to separate.Exactly.We talk about the
0:05:02 > 0:05:0690% in the illegal referendum as Madrid sees it in October, that was
0:05:06 > 0:05:11only on a 43% turnout.Business leaders are worded about this, they
0:05:11 > 0:05:18do not want this. Remember, Spain is coming out of a deep economic crisis
0:05:18 > 0:05:24and severe austerity measures -- are worried. That has partly led to what
0:05:24 > 0:05:28we see today, Catalonia is Spain's wealthiest region, accounting for
0:05:28 > 0:05:34about a fifth of the Spanish economy. It was demanding a better
0:05:34 > 0:05:37fiscal deal in the wake of this severe austerity and it may have
0:05:37 > 0:05:45been a miscalculation by Mariano Rajoy, as the economy has recovered
0:05:45 > 0:05:50and is doing better now, that the forces for separation would weaken.
0:05:50 > 0:05:53But that just hasn't happened, you still have shockingly high
0:05:53 > 0:06:00unemployment. Spain wide as well as in Catalonia. And I think ironically
0:06:00 > 0:06:06now, what you have is more than 1000 companies moving their headquarters
0:06:06 > 0:06:09out of Catalonia to other regions, and that means that tax receipts to
0:06:09 > 0:06:17the region will decline, and the key plank for the Catalonian separatist
0:06:17 > 0:06:22movement was we are wealthy enough to go on our own, it has been weak
0:06:22 > 0:06:26and severely because businesses are the camping. That's the real
0:06:26 > 0:06:29question going on, no one will recognise Catalonia -- camping
0:06:29 > 0:06:35elsewhere. They don't seem to have a plan, no one have spoken about a
0:06:35 > 0:06:39currency to Catalonia, so I think whatever happens on December 21,
0:06:39 > 0:06:44whoever wins, I think instability will remain and that will be a
0:06:44 > 0:06:49damper on the economy.I think you made a good point because it's true
0:06:49 > 0:06:53that more than 1000 companies moved their headquarters from Catalonia to
0:06:53 > 0:06:59other places in Spain. And of course, the economic consequences on
0:06:59 > 0:07:02Catalonia are going to be consequences for the whole of Spain.
0:07:02 > 0:07:09Thank you very much for reminding that no, the vast majority of the
0:07:09 > 0:07:13Catalonian people support independence. Because in the last
0:07:13 > 0:07:19Catalan election, it shows the separatist parties had 48% of the
0:07:19 > 0:07:25vote and in the illegal referendum on the 1st of October, the turnout
0:07:25 > 0:07:32was just the 48%. But bearing in mind it was an illegal referendum,
0:07:32 > 0:07:39we have to take these numbers with a pinch of salt. And I think it's
0:07:39 > 0:07:45going to be very interesting if the silent majority that a lot of people
0:07:45 > 0:07:51say in Catalunya, we are going to see finally the silent majority
0:07:51 > 0:07:57voting in this Catalan emergency election.If Hispania is so
0:07:57 > 0:08:01confident the majority in Catalonia don't want independence, Green he
0:08:01 > 0:08:10should put it to the test and the argument is over.This goes back
0:08:10 > 0:08:14decades, in 1991, Catalans demanded autonomy, calling local elections
0:08:14 > 0:08:18and got an overwhelming majority or an autonomy statute, it was taken
0:08:18 > 0:08:27away and it wasn't given again until 1979. However the immediate crisis
0:08:27 > 0:08:31is resolved, this is not going to go away because it has profound roots,
0:08:31 > 0:08:34also in the question of whether the Spanish constitution functions for
0:08:34 > 0:08:39everybody. And it raises the question of what is the law for and
0:08:39 > 0:08:46who does the states belong to? If it belongs to the machinery of state,
0:08:46 > 0:08:50then you're constantly going to have these disaffected communities that
0:08:50 > 0:08:53are seeking a way to legitimise themselves. And does the state
0:08:53 > 0:08:58belong to the people or not? If so, how do you test it? That's the
0:08:58 > 0:09:03situation.Thoughts about the rest of the EU as well, very quick to
0:09:03 > 0:09:08come out and defend Spanish unity. Obviously for the purposes of
0:09:08 > 0:09:10maintaining Spanish unity, you have to redefine what the Constitution
0:09:10 > 0:09:17means. If Catalonia thinks they have a bad deal out of being called
0:09:17 > 0:09:21autonomous since 1979, you have to discuss this. What is also difficult
0:09:21 > 0:09:25to understand for me in this independence drive, if economic
0:09:25 > 0:09:31grievances are one of the main reasons for their protest, they are
0:09:31 > 0:09:35going to make it more difficult for themselves as a result of the
0:09:35 > 0:09:39unilateral declaration of independence. It's not going to be a
0:09:39 > 0:09:45bed of roses, on the contrary. Their own situation will deteriorate
0:09:45 > 0:09:50dramatically and obviously Rajoy is banking, thinking about the 21st of
0:09:50 > 0:09:56December vote, that most of the people in Catalonia will recognise
0:09:56 > 0:10:01they are really on a very stiff wicket here. And will then rally
0:10:01 > 0:10:06behind the unitary voices. Of course it's a big gamble, you cannot be
0:10:06 > 0:10:10sure of Catalonia on the 21st of December voting for maintaining
0:10:10 > 0:10:15unity, it could go the other way and then what will you have? You really
0:10:15 > 0:10:20have a pretty nasty situation, you are allowed an illegal referendum --
0:10:20 > 0:10:25a legal referendum called an election to go ahead and the result
0:10:25 > 0:10:31is they want independence.I'm sure the economic argument carries away,
0:10:31 > 0:10:35it didn't weigh in Scotland and is certainly didn't in Brexit where we
0:10:35 > 0:10:41will be poorer leaving the European Union. You could argue that for
0:10:41 > 0:10:44Yugoslavia, if you want greater control of your own affairs, those
0:10:44 > 0:10:49arguments can sound abstract and the prerequisite of a nationalist
0:10:49 > 0:10:53movement is a confidence in identity. Looking at Europe in the
0:10:53 > 0:10:58last 25 years, how many new states do we have? Look at the Baltic
0:10:58 > 0:11:04states, look at Czechoslovakia, the Czech Republic and Slovakia. We have
0:11:04 > 0:11:08accepted these new definitions of national boundaries for 30 years and
0:11:08 > 0:11:13the Catalans have a very strong case, they are bigger than Portugal.
0:11:13 > 0:11:18With respect, the comparison to Brexit doesn't convince me because
0:11:18 > 0:11:21Brexit was taken as a vision of a unitary country called Great Britain
0:11:21 > 0:11:26to exit the EU.My point was the financial arguments doesn't
0:11:26 > 0:11:33necessarily weigh everything in this.I'm not...Take Scotland.It's
0:11:33 > 0:11:37probably stronger in the case of Catalonia because that is a country
0:11:37 > 0:11:40within Spain, if they deny themselves the advantage of being
0:11:40 > 0:11:46part of the unity of the country, they really face an economic crisis
0:11:46 > 0:11:50such a huge proportion, that really it is totally unconscionable.That
0:11:50 > 0:11:54would depend on whether finally the EU would accept them as a member,
0:11:54 > 0:11:59which they should if they get there by a constitutional process and it
0:11:59 > 0:12:03wouldn't do the EU good either to have a collapsing Catalonia.On this
0:12:03 > 0:12:11topic, a final thought from you, a crystal ball prediction, a couple of
0:12:11 > 0:12:15months, as things stand this weekend, what is your sense of what
0:12:15 > 0:12:20we could be looking at on the 21st of December?I wish...Big question,
0:12:20 > 0:12:26I know...I think it is going to be very important, as I say, the way
0:12:26 > 0:12:29the separatist parties are going to present to their voters this
0:12:29 > 0:12:36election. Having said that, I think it is going to be crucial importance
0:12:36 > 0:12:42to see the result. Because obviously, I think that right now,
0:12:42 > 0:12:50the majority of the Catalan people don't want to see independence,
0:12:50 > 0:12:53according to the last Catalan election and according to the last
0:12:53 > 0:12:59illegal referendum. But it is obvious that 2 million Catalan
0:12:59 > 0:13:04people are not happy there. So obviously, the result of this
0:13:04 > 0:13:09election is going to be vital to see what is going to be the situation in
0:13:09 > 0:13:15the near future for the Catalan people. And obviously, if the result
0:13:15 > 0:13:21shows there is a big support for the kind of dialogue with Madrid in
0:13:21 > 0:13:28terms of another referendum, legal referendum oratorios something like
0:13:28 > 0:13:32that, or something like that, it is time to discuss the Constitution may
0:13:32 > 0:13:40be. But I think according to the opinion polls, there is some belief
0:13:40 > 0:13:45that constitutional parties are going to win this election.OK, it
0:13:45 > 0:13:49is a waiting game and now, we watch, wait, listen and discuss again
0:13:49 > 0:13:53before that date. Thank you to all of you.
0:13:53 > 0:13:58To China, where at the end of the 5 yearly Communist Party Congress,
0:13:58 > 0:14:00President Xi has his "thought" now written into the party constitution.
0:14:00 > 0:14:03The unveiling of the Politburu, the men who rule alongside him,
0:14:03 > 0:14:05revealed no member young enough to be the heir apparent.
0:14:05 > 0:14:08In President Xi's three and a half hour speech to Congress,
0:14:08 > 0:14:10he set out a vision not just for the five
0:14:11 > 0:14:14years ahead, but for 30.
0:14:14 > 0:14:20Isabel, is he planning to go on and on?
0:14:20 > 0:14:27He certainly is. And now he can. Before the Congress, there was the
0:14:27 > 0:14:32question of his own retirements discussed and he has conducted a
0:14:32 > 0:14:35very profound and some say savage anti-corruption campaign for five
0:14:35 > 0:14:40years to clear his path to power, in the course he has made many enemies.
0:14:40 > 0:14:45Was it safe for him to step down? Probably not, but then how was he
0:14:45 > 0:14:50going to stay in power? Now he has given himself a status next to God,
0:14:50 > 0:14:55he can occupy any position he likes or none at all, he will still be
0:14:55 > 0:14:59China's strongman. We are in a new era now, back to the strongman
0:14:59 > 0:15:05vision of politics.And that is just driven by that one man? Are the
0:15:05 > 0:15:11apparatchiks around him? Who gives the sucker.The other thing about
0:15:11 > 0:15:15this Congress, something like 70% of the Central committee, the politburo
0:15:15 > 0:15:21and the standing committee have changed, those people are
0:15:21 > 0:15:27substantially President Xi's men, mostly men, and some are compromised
0:15:27 > 0:15:32figures but there is no doubt he is in charge. Who is the arbiter of Xi
0:15:32 > 0:15:39Jingping's thought other than the man himself? If you oppose Xi
0:15:39 > 0:15:43Jingping, you oppose him, the party and the country, not a comfortable
0:15:43 > 0:15:47position to be in.He is virtually the Constitution personified, and it
0:15:47 > 0:15:53is hard to see how anyone will ever challenge him on present prospectus.
0:15:53 > 0:15:58Indeed, but the degree of rupture, this is a huge rupture from Deng
0:15:58 > 0:16:04Xiaoping. People describe the killer of Chairman Mao, then there was Deng
0:16:04 > 0:16:08Xiaoping who saved the economy and now Xi Jingping is saving the party.
0:16:08 > 0:16:12The real history of that is that Deng Xiaoping was regarded by
0:16:12 > 0:16:16Chairman Mao as a monstrous enemy who he repeatedly imprisoned and
0:16:16 > 0:16:20tried to get rid of, accusing him of trying to take the catalyst Road and
0:16:20 > 0:16:25indeed he did as soon as Chairman Mao dive. His legacy was to try and
0:16:25 > 0:16:31ensure China never again suffered from a strongman as he and the rest
0:16:31 > 0:16:36of the country suffered -- the capitalist road. He set up a more
0:16:36 > 0:16:41central system, retirement ages and ideas of terms in the party, ten
0:16:41 > 0:16:47years and you retired at 69, created by Deng Xiaoping to avoid this
0:16:47 > 0:16:49situation where one man and his thought and we'll dominated the
0:16:49 > 0:16:54country.How could that happen, the Deng Xiaoping legacy was overturned
0:16:54 > 0:16:59and it has stepped back into the strongman ideology?It has taken
0:16:59 > 0:17:02five years and starts from a point, if you think from when Xi Jingping
0:17:02 > 0:17:08took over, the party was in crisis, it was deeply corrupt. Nobody
0:17:08 > 0:17:12believes in communism frankly in China. I say nobody, there are
0:17:12 > 0:17:16always some but the majority were not desperately waking up thinking
0:17:16 > 0:17:23they need a new guiding light of the party's ideology. So, how do you say
0:17:23 > 0:17:26the Communist Party in a state that has practised state capitalism and
0:17:26 > 0:17:33is open to the world, which is largely not Communist? You have to
0:17:33 > 0:17:38devise a message and build a strong security structure, the message is
0:17:38 > 0:17:41substantially nationalism, reinvigorating the Chinese nation.
0:17:41 > 0:17:45China was done down by foreigners, we are back, it's our turn now and
0:17:45 > 0:17:49it is a popular message. He also had a message about the environment
0:17:49 > 0:17:55which has been a big lytic at issue, and about a little more fairness in
0:17:55 > 0:18:02the distribution of benefits of the last 20-30 years -- political issue.
0:18:02 > 0:18:06Those are popular messages but the guiding principle is a muscular
0:18:06 > 0:18:09nationalism which we are all going to feel.You say economic the it's
0:18:09 > 0:18:14fascinating.As well as China 's position on the international stage,
0:18:14 > 0:18:19I thought it was significant how he was putting forward China as filling
0:18:19 > 0:18:24the vacuum on the international stage left by Trump as he retreats
0:18:24 > 0:18:30from American International commitments, very much positioning
0:18:30 > 0:18:34China as a leader in a more forceful way then we have seen previously on
0:18:34 > 0:18:38the world stage. But economic Lee, he faces serious challenges right
0:18:38 > 0:18:44now. My takeaway from the Congress is this time, you didn't have these
0:18:44 > 0:18:50clear economic targets outlined. Five years ago, there was this goal
0:18:50 > 0:18:55of doubling the size of the Chinese economy, not much said about that
0:18:55 > 0:19:00this time around, and I think he is facing the challenges now. Not only
0:19:00 > 0:19:05trying to revive the state-owned enterprises, but how does he manage
0:19:05 > 0:19:09the private sector? Particularly these wealthy Chinese tycoons who
0:19:09 > 0:19:15have de facto become a bit of a critical force, because the private
0:19:15 > 0:19:19sector is so much more productive and contributing to economic growth.
0:19:19 > 0:19:26We have seen this crackdown on wealthy tycoons, and the government,
0:19:26 > 0:19:32the Chinese government has demanded a stake in some of China's biggest
0:19:32 > 0:19:36technology companies and a role in decision-making which is a great
0:19:36 > 0:19:43grab by President Xi for China's future. Broadly speaking, he needs
0:19:43 > 0:19:48to move China away from this model of low-wage export-oriented state
0:19:48 > 0:19:56investment growth model, to one of its more reliant on domestic
0:19:56 > 0:20:00consumption and that will require higher wages, how does he do that?
0:20:00 > 0:20:03That his main challenge going ahead and how does he do that when he is
0:20:03 > 0:20:08the all-powerful emperor.You are absolutely right and I think the two
0:20:08 > 0:20:12are closely connected because if you are a wobbly Communist Party facing
0:20:12 > 0:20:17difficult economic times, more than anything in the past 30 years, you
0:20:17 > 0:20:20want to establish a fierce control over every aspect. Hence we see
0:20:20 > 0:20:29party sales, private companies being obliged to have party cells, private
0:20:29 > 0:20:33equity in these companies. But you have an enormous debts, which maybe
0:20:33 > 0:20:37three times the advertiser level, an ageing population who are not going
0:20:37 > 0:20:44to consume, a shrinking workforce. You have a lot of headwinds and
0:20:44 > 0:20:47surplus capacity in things like steel and cement which cost a lot of
0:20:47 > 0:20:52money. So, there is a two pronged approach, you need to move up the
0:20:52 > 0:20:56technology value chain and be innovative, how that fits the
0:20:56 > 0:21:00ideological top-down control remains to be seen, and you need to
0:21:00 > 0:21:05establish a presence in the road, the building of infrastructure
0:21:05 > 0:21:08across Asia. But also the acquisition of high-tech firms and
0:21:08 > 0:21:12there is beginning to be resistance in Germany and other countries about
0:21:12 > 0:21:18the idea that China is going to buy up the most advanced technologies,
0:21:18 > 0:21:20subsidise the companies that produce them and then outcompete in third
0:21:20 > 0:21:24markets. We will see all kinds of international tensions on the terms
0:21:24 > 0:21:29of trade in the coming years. Underlying all of this is the
0:21:29 > 0:21:33question, how do you maintain a liberalised economy while at the
0:21:33 > 0:21:40same time pressing ever more human rights -- suppressing? China is
0:21:40 > 0:21:43paradoxical, we used to think an increase in economic liberalisation
0:21:43 > 0:21:47naturally leads to political freedom, we have been disabused of
0:21:47 > 0:21:50that notion entirely. China has become the second most important
0:21:50 > 0:21:54economy in the world and yet suppression is increasing, they are
0:21:54 > 0:22:00becoming more authoritarian. Sooner or later, the dichotomy of these two
0:22:00 > 0:22:07developments, giving in to more economic prowess at the same time by
0:22:07 > 0:22:11suppressing human rights, will lead to a conflict down the line, even in
0:22:11 > 0:22:16China. China cannot escape, I'm sure.Does it change though, only if
0:22:16 > 0:22:21other Western countries stop investing and doing business? Will
0:22:21 > 0:22:27that happen?Not on the cards.No, it's not going to happen but there
0:22:27 > 0:22:32is another point, and Thomas is right. But when Mao Zedong had a
0:22:32 > 0:22:35strong ideological line and total control, the totalitarian version,
0:22:35 > 0:22:41China was closed. There were very few foreign influences, no news came
0:22:41 > 0:22:45from outside and little from the inside. Now China is trying to
0:22:45 > 0:22:48operate in the world and what you see, one of the interesting things
0:22:48 > 0:22:52to watch is part of the party called the United front work department,
0:22:52 > 0:22:59that is what manages relationships between the party and you and I for
0:22:59 > 0:23:04example, or foreign universities. That is the outfit that does
0:23:04 > 0:23:08influence buying in other countries, the outfit that many hundreds of
0:23:08 > 0:23:13thousands of students who are studying in universities abroad are
0:23:13 > 0:23:19controlled by. You have this Chinese presence everywhere and behind it
0:23:19 > 0:23:21remains a united front work department trying to pull the
0:23:21 > 0:23:25strings and ensure that we all accent the party line, not just the
0:23:25 > 0:23:31Chinese.I discover a sense of panic almost in the higher echelons, when
0:23:31 > 0:23:36they excluded foreign media to cover the recent Congress. That is
0:23:36 > 0:23:40obviously a step of panic.The BBC, New York Times were not allowed to
0:23:40 > 0:23:45take...They got that from President Trump.I see a similarity, you are
0:23:45 > 0:23:51right but that seems to indicate they worry about individual freedom
0:23:51 > 0:23:56eventually getting the better of the entire system of suppression.
0:23:56 > 0:24:00Isobel, you say this is China trying to engage with the outside world but
0:24:00 > 0:24:05people watching will say OK, what about human rights? Talking about
0:24:05 > 0:24:08the economy and environment, what about human rights, the issues of
0:24:08 > 0:24:13Tibet?If you look at what people have said about that in the last
0:24:13 > 0:24:19five years, you can hardly hear it. The European Union hardly squeaks
0:24:19 > 0:24:20about human rights anymore, certainly the British don't. You
0:24:20 > 0:24:26don't get much on Tibet either because whenever anyone raises these
0:24:26 > 0:24:31issues, China turns round and says do you want to do business or not?
0:24:31 > 0:24:35You do it on our terms. There is going to be a real challenge to
0:24:35 > 0:24:40Western values, not just in China, but here. How strongly do we defend
0:24:40 > 0:24:49our values in these circumstances? How do we insist? Are our values
0:24:49 > 0:24:55universe at -- universal order we put them in our pockets to do a
0:24:55 > 0:25:01business deal.It all comes down to economic 's?Yes, you do get a sense
0:25:01 > 0:25:06they are very much looking at what led to the dissolution of the Soviet
0:25:06 > 0:25:10Union, what followed and they are keen to avoid the mistakes that were
0:25:10 > 0:25:16made whereby the economy was beholden in a rush to the oligarchs,
0:25:16 > 0:25:20corruption followed and a weakening of the state. And he seems very much
0:25:20 > 0:25:24in tent on making sure that doesn't happen, the so-called oligarchs of
0:25:24 > 0:25:29China do not gain an upper hand in the same way and it all remains
0:25:29 > 0:25:34under Central party control.And the party is a party that people
0:25:34 > 0:25:38respect, because the party has been held in fairly widespread contempt,
0:25:38 > 0:25:42for what it did in the past but also once it stopped murdering its own
0:25:42 > 0:25:47people, they then got rich. What's to respect there? The
0:25:47 > 0:25:50anti-corruption drive is popular because people do think the party is
0:25:50 > 0:25:52corrupt.
0:25:52 > 0:25:54Thank you so much to all of you.
0:25:54 > 0:25:55That's all we have time for this week.
0:25:55 > 0:25:58Do you join us again next week same time same place,
0:25:58 > 0:26:00but until then thank you for watching and goodbye.