0:00:24 > 0:00:28Hello and welcome to Dateline London, I'm Jane Hill.
0:00:28 > 0:00:31This week, we discuss the state of the UK's finances
0:00:31 > 0:00:33after the Budget,
0:00:33 > 0:00:37whether this could be the end of the German Chancellor's reign,
0:00:37 > 0:00:39and assess the prospects for the people of Zimbabwe,
0:00:39 > 0:00:43now Robert Mugabe has gone.
0:00:43 > 0:00:45My guests are,
0:00:45 > 0:00:48from Germany, Stefanie Bolzen of Die Welt,
0:00:48 > 0:00:51UK Conservative political commentator Alex Deane,
0:00:51 > 0:00:54from Bloomberg News, senior writer Stephanie Baker,
0:00:54 > 0:00:57and the Italian writer and film maker Annalissa Piras.
0:00:57 > 0:01:01Welcome to you all.
0:01:01 > 0:01:06But before we discuss those events, we do want to take a moment to focus
0:01:06 > 0:01:10on the horrific attack in northern Sinai, where more than 300 people
0:01:10 > 0:01:13have been killed in a bomb and gun attack on a mosque,
0:01:13 > 0:01:18during Friday prayers.
0:01:18 > 0:01:23As we go to air, no group has claimed it carried out the attack.
0:01:23 > 0:01:28Although the state prosecutor in Cairo said the gunman -- gunmen were
0:01:28 > 0:01:31carrying flags of the so-called Islamic State. It is a quite
0:01:31 > 0:01:36horrific attack, and Annalisa, the scale and the coordination of this
0:01:36 > 0:01:41is something that has not been seen in this region for a very long time.
0:01:41 > 0:01:46It is unprecedented and we know very little at the moment. So it is
0:01:46 > 0:01:52difficult to draw conclusions, but two things stand out, one, this is
0:01:52 > 0:01:57an attack on the Sufi community, a spiritual form of Islam, which Isis
0:01:57 > 0:02:05sees as a direct rival. They bring our youngsters from this idea that
0:02:05 > 0:02:11Islam can be only violence, they are non-violent and spiritual, silly are
0:02:11 > 0:02:14a direct rival. The fact they are attacking them with such force is
0:02:14 > 0:02:19pretty scary. The second point that I would think is important is that
0:02:19 > 0:02:34Egypt is a very strong country, and what we are seeing here is that this
0:02:34 > 0:02:38kind of strong military response does not work against Isis. That is
0:02:38 > 0:02:42another scary aspect of what has happened. So probably, we need
0:02:42 > 0:02:46really to think what we need to change in our fight against this
0:02:46 > 0:02:53extremism.Alex, your concern about the aftermath of this, what happens
0:02:53 > 0:02:59next as a result?I think the point about Sufism was spot on. Those who
0:02:59 > 0:03:04view Islam as sort of monolithic faith where everyone thinks the
0:03:04 > 0:03:09same, that is not true. This sort of thing demonstrates that. Divisions
0:03:09 > 0:03:15within Islam are as important between the divisions between Islam
0:03:15 > 0:03:20and other faiths. But the other aspect I take on this, this is very
0:03:20 > 0:03:24early days but this demonstrates once again that the threat posed by
0:03:24 > 0:03:28Isis and Islamist terror is not just a Western problem, it is a problem
0:03:28 > 0:03:33for every nation around the world. Where I made them are from what
0:03:33 > 0:03:38Annalisa was saying was that must inevitably, when someone wants to do
0:03:38 > 0:03:42something -- nothing but kill you, it almost inevitably has a military
0:03:42 > 0:03:46response. I don't know if the Egyptians got it right so far, but I
0:03:46 > 0:03:50think a lot of people you can negotiate with. There is no other
0:03:50 > 0:03:56settlement you can reach with these people other than violence.
0:03:56 > 0:04:06Stephany, your take on that? President RCC has justified his
0:04:06 > 0:04:13crackdown by saying he must crush Isis. He has a major security
0:04:13 > 0:04:16problem on the Sinai Peninsula, and he really does need to rethink their
0:04:16 > 0:04:24strategy because up until now you have not seen her tax, Egyptian
0:04:24 > 0:04:27militants attack Coptic Christians, this is a game changer and they need
0:04:27 > 0:04:31to go back to the drawing board and rethink. There is a concern that the
0:04:31 > 0:04:35crackdown in Egypt will go even further, and this is a really
0:04:35 > 0:04:41delicate balancing act he needs to strike.I disagree with political
0:04:41 > 0:04:44crackdown on freedom of expression but one of the reasons people act as
0:04:44 > 0:04:47they do in this region is that they know that if they do not put their
0:04:47 > 0:04:54own house in order, the Israelis are always willing to do so. Sinai is a
0:04:54 > 0:05:00particular area of sensitivity. But the Israelis and the end have no
0:05:00 > 0:05:03respect for national borders if they think something is a threat to them.
0:05:03 > 0:05:07How can they see Islamist activity like this and not take action?We
0:05:07 > 0:05:12will see how this develops in the coming days. Doubtless that will be
0:05:12 > 0:05:16continuing coverage of that story on BBC News in the coming days.
0:05:16 > 0:05:18So, to events earlier this week, and Britain's Chancellor,
0:05:18 > 0:05:19Philip Hammond, delivered his Budget,
0:05:19 > 0:05:22with announcements about housing and the Health Service,
0:05:22 > 0:05:25and £3 billion set aside for Brexit preparations.
0:05:25 > 0:05:28His performance was broadly well received, but the forecasts
0:05:28 > 0:05:31for growth in the economy over the next few years are bleak.
0:05:31 > 0:05:34And all of this, of course, against the backdrop
0:05:34 > 0:05:39of the stuttering Brexit talks.
0:05:39 > 0:05:49Stephanie - let's talk about the OBR forecast.
0:05:52 > 0:05:59For the next few years, it is difficult times.It is, and most of
0:05:59 > 0:06:04the reasons they downgraded the growth forecast is down to
0:06:04 > 0:06:07acknowledging that the forecasts for productivity growth have been off
0:06:07 > 0:06:12target. They have missed those forecasts again and again. I think
0:06:12 > 0:06:16this was a politically successful Budget for Philip Hammond, it has
0:06:16 > 0:06:23saved him in the short term, but it did outline a very bleak low growth
0:06:23 > 0:06:31future for the UK. Her by wages will be below 2008 levels for the
0:06:31 > 0:06:35foreseeable future. I think that is really the main lytic will challenge
0:06:35 > 0:06:39that they face, that is only going to get worse. -- political
0:06:39 > 0:06:44challenge. It has been made worse by Brexit because we have the ball in
0:06:44 > 0:06:48sterling and a rise in inflation which has meant that wages just
0:06:48 > 0:06:53before the vote, we had just turned the corner in terms of which is
0:06:53 > 0:06:57outpacing inflation and now all those gains have been wiped out.The
0:06:57 > 0:07:02stats on wages, they are saying until, even by 2022, wages will not
0:07:02 > 0:07:07be any better than they were in 2008.That will start to bite as
0:07:07 > 0:07:11time goes on politically. I think he has done the best he could do by
0:07:11 > 0:07:16sprinkling bits of money here and there, trying to assuage any
0:07:16 > 0:07:20critics, a bit to the NHS, a bit for housing, first-time buyers and the
0:07:20 > 0:07:25like, but the significant thing is that the old BR forecast did not
0:07:25 > 0:07:31will include Brexit in the calculations. For instance on
0:07:31 > 0:07:33productivity, most economists think Brexit will make the productivity
0:07:33 > 0:07:38probably even worse. We have already seen a decline in business
0:07:38 > 0:07:40investment because of the uncertainty over the terms of the
0:07:40 > 0:07:48deal. And likewise, they sing tariffs on imported goods, that will
0:07:48 > 0:07:53mean higher prices for consumers, lower tax revenues. And I keep going
0:07:53 > 0:08:00back to the figure that was used during the campaign of 350 million
0:08:00 > 0:08:03extra, per week for the NHS and now we're facing a squeeze on public
0:08:03 > 0:08:08services. Instead of trying to balance the books, Hammond has
0:08:08 > 0:08:11actually acquiesced and decided to just borrow more in order to keep
0:08:11 > 0:08:17the peace.Was that his only option? Alex, what is your reading of that
0:08:17 > 0:08:22balancing act?There is a lot to unpack. I think productivity is a
0:08:22 > 0:08:25problem facing most developed countries but it is certainly an
0:08:25 > 0:08:28issue. I thought it was a good Budget. I think he is relatively
0:08:28 > 0:08:32constrained in what he can do, not least because some would argue that
0:08:32 > 0:08:38what this country needs is some tax cuts to generate economic stimulus
0:08:38 > 0:08:40and in the current political climate, those are difficult to
0:08:40 > 0:08:44sell. The Conservative Party does not have a majority because of an
0:08:44 > 0:08:47election it did not have to call. So that is the context for this
0:08:47 > 0:08:51Chancellor. But bearing those constraints on mine, I thought there
0:08:51 > 0:08:56were some attractive things about this Budget. I thought that extra
0:08:56 > 0:08:59tax credits for research and a moment indicated positivity about
0:08:59 > 0:09:01the future in economic terms. That is something I thought is very
0:09:01 > 0:09:06welcome. And it was the kind of thing that was lacking in the
0:09:06 > 0:09:09campaign that the Conservative Party ran earlier in the year. There was
0:09:09 > 0:09:12very little that was positive or optimistic about the future.
0:09:12 > 0:09:18Thinking about that sort of thing, I thought, was excellent. And retail
0:09:18 > 0:09:21politics is always important, I really liked more funding for
0:09:21 > 0:09:24schools when students take up further maths and higher maths
0:09:24 > 0:09:27studies, I thought there was an indication that we were serious
0:09:27 > 0:09:32about supporting tough subjects that equip people for the future.
0:09:32 > 0:09:39Stefanie, your take on a?Obviously from a German perspective, the 27 do
0:09:39 > 0:09:44not look so much at the political significance because Hammond was not
0:09:44 > 0:09:50in a good position because he was a Remainer and has had a difficult
0:09:50 > 0:09:55time surviving.A lot of people in his own party are not so keen on
0:09:55 > 0:10:00him.But in Germany, it is a time of confirming that Britain itself has
0:10:00 > 0:10:04kicked itself in a difficult situation economically because there
0:10:04 > 0:10:08is so much uncertainty about Brexit at a time when you look at the TEU
0:10:08 > 0:10:1327 and Germany, growth is picking up everywhere and the UK is going the
0:10:13 > 0:10:16opposite way. Some people might think this is just confirming that
0:10:16 > 0:10:20Brexit was the wrong decision.Alex, you think it is happening
0:10:20 > 0:10:27everywhere? In terms of productivity.The problem is that
0:10:27 > 0:10:31Europe is picking up growth, it is growing, and Britain is going down.
0:10:31 > 0:10:42So the old BR think -- Obi are, they qualified the drop by 1.3 this year.
0:10:42 > 0:10:50-- the OBR. By 2020 there will be 20 billion less in the coppers of the
0:10:50 > 0:10:55state, and this is without considering the fact Brexit. So
0:10:55 > 0:11:00getting out of the single market, getting less investment in, and
0:11:00 > 0:11:06possibly a no deal situation, that means that the macro picture of the
0:11:06 > 0:11:13economy in Britain is very, very bleak.That is untrue, manufactory
0:11:13 > 0:11:17is at an all-time high. -- manufacturing. GDP is fine,
0:11:17 > 0:11:24certainly compared to the rivals we face in developed countries.We were
0:11:24 > 0:11:30touching on wage levels. People employed in the gig economy, the
0:11:30 > 0:11:36uncertainty.Most of the new jobs generated under this government are
0:11:36 > 0:11:39full-time, any suggestion they are kind of part-time or zero hours work
0:11:39 > 0:11:44is a mess. But moreover, some of the kind of totemic indicators people
0:11:44 > 0:11:49talk about is if they are true, -- as if they are true, they are just
0:11:49 > 0:12:01not. More EU nationals than ever in the UK.This is the OBR, which is
0:12:01 > 0:12:05made of confident people, and they are forecasting 20 billion less by
0:12:05 > 0:12:122020. Without taking into account Brexit or crashing out of the single
0:12:12 > 0:12:17market. This is not a pretty picture.You have been saying this
0:12:17 > 0:12:20sort of thing since you made your breakthrough disaster movie
0:12:20 > 0:12:30documentary.Annelise is making the point that the OBR is independent.
0:12:30 > 0:12:35Let Alex just come back.We were told before the referendum that by
0:12:35 > 0:12:39the same sorts of August bodies that if we voted to Liebenberg triggering
0:12:39 > 0:12:43a profound economic shocks and go into recession. Not only have we not
0:12:43 > 0:12:49come into recession, our economy continues to grow. That is the case
0:12:49 > 0:12:51with most economies around the world. Most of these dire
0:12:51 > 0:12:55predictions that people seem to want to be true about our country simply
0:12:55 > 0:13:03not true.That is because Brexit has not taken place yet.Why do you keep
0:13:03 > 0:13:08saying you want to see 350 million for the NHS when that suggestion was
0:13:08 > 0:13:10all about when we leave and we haven't left?We will leave that
0:13:10 > 0:13:15there.
0:13:15 > 0:13:17Germany is without a government - Chancellor Angela Merkel
0:13:17 > 0:13:19is technically acting Chancellor, because talks about forming
0:13:19 > 0:13:21a coalition following September's splintered election result
0:13:21 > 0:13:24have not been fruitful.
0:13:24 > 0:13:27As we go to air, it seem the SPD leader Martin Schulz
0:13:27 > 0:13:30has softened his position, and talks will resume,
0:13:31 > 0:13:34but nothing is certain -
0:13:34 > 0:13:40could there be another German election?
0:13:40 > 0:13:47We all know what the knock-on effect might be. Where do you think talks
0:13:47 > 0:13:54are? Crystal ball time.It is a difficult thing. It is a very fluid
0:13:54 > 0:13:58situation. On Monday, Martin Schulz said categorically they are not
0:13:58 > 0:14:04going into a coalition against, now it is Saturday and he has said,
0:14:04 > 0:14:08well, we have to consider it, because it is our responsibility.
0:14:08 > 0:14:13Someone has twisted his arm.People within the party but mainly
0:14:13 > 0:14:20President Steinmeier, he obviously said, this is a moment of great
0:14:20 > 0:14:25responsibility for your party so Martin Schulz yesterday was as a
0:14:25 > 0:14:29youth Congress of his party and tried to sell the idea and it did
0:14:29 > 0:14:33not go well. Very much so within the party for the time being it looks
0:14:33 > 0:14:38like a majority does not want it. They will have a vote on this so
0:14:38 > 0:14:42even if the top of the party might agree to go into coalition with
0:14:42 > 0:14:48Angela Merkel, the party members might vote it down. So it is tricky.
0:14:48 > 0:14:53It could have that situation where for several weeks on paper, the
0:14:53 > 0:14:58coalition has been agreed, but your sense is it could be voted down?At
0:14:58 > 0:15:01the end of the day it looks like the SPD will always be the losers
0:15:01 > 0:15:05because even by this situation, a new election is triggered, they will
0:15:05 > 0:15:10be hammered in the polls. They will be seen as not wanting to take
0:15:10 > 0:15:15responsibility. Angela Merkel could take a step back again, and is now
0:15:15 > 0:15:25watching everybody collapsing around her. Everyone is in trouble. But be
0:15:25 > 0:15:32careful about this, because they are saying in the party they want to
0:15:32 > 0:15:37have a change of leadership and it is growing by the day.Didn't she
0:15:37 > 0:15:41say she preferred fresh elections to a minority government?It is not
0:15:41 > 0:15:45clear that that will result in a stronger government. It is a real
0:15:45 > 0:15:48gamble for her, especially given that the last elections, the CDU and
0:15:48 > 0:15:55the SPD share of the vote went down. Despite the fact that the German
0:15:55 > 0:15:59economy now is booming, that is the most remarkable disconnect. But I
0:15:59 > 0:16:06think clearly, Angela Merkel is a wounded finger at it is all the more
0:16:06 > 0:16:09remarkable because a couple of months ago, she seemed invincible,
0:16:09 > 0:16:13she was the European leader who took down Trump and seemed to be the
0:16:13 > 0:16:18woman in the driving seat in Europe on Brexit. And now it looks like she
0:16:18 > 0:16:22will remain distracted by internal domestic politics. For the
0:16:22 > 0:16:26perceivable future.And at the risk of bringing it back to the UK, it is
0:16:26 > 0:16:32a German internal situation, but we have this, the Brexit talks are a
0:16:32 > 0:16:37backdrop inevitably, Angela Merkel portrayed as the calm hand on the
0:16:37 > 0:16:41tiller to all of this, the heart of Europe where the people -- whether
0:16:41 > 0:16:45people like it or not. If this continues, or they have fresh
0:16:45 > 0:16:51elections, what does it do to the Brexit talks?It does not bode well
0:16:51 > 0:16:55for Brexit or for the rest of Europe either. If Germany is paralysed
0:16:55 > 0:17:01until February, maybe later, waiting for new elections, that is a
0:17:01 > 0:17:06disaster for everybody. Because we do not have only the problem of the
0:17:06 > 0:17:09Brexit negotiations, we have a lot of other things going on with the
0:17:09 > 0:17:17Trump administration behaving as it is, with Russia's instability and
0:17:17 > 0:17:22belligerence, instability growing around Europe, not to have a strong
0:17:22 > 0:17:26leadership as we are hoping to have after the election, it is a big
0:17:26 > 0:17:33problem.Is it worrying, Alex?I am much more optimistic about the lack
0:17:33 > 0:17:36of government activity. I think people tend to get on better.
0:17:36 > 0:17:40Belgium was without a government with Russia for 18 months and it is
0:17:40 > 0:17:44the best economic performance were decades. I was surprised that Angela
0:17:44 > 0:17:49Merkel put so much effort into the attempt to build a coalition that I
0:17:49 > 0:17:54thought was not going to work. The so-called Jamaica coalition, black,
0:17:54 > 0:17:58yellow and green, because it seemed it would not work out between the
0:17:58 > 0:18:05old liberals, who are four more free-market than most people, and
0:18:05 > 0:18:09the Greens, who like most green movements are like watermelons,
0:18:09 > 0:18:13green on the outside, red in the centre, very anti-free-market. They
0:18:13 > 0:18:17were never really going to be on the same page. I think she is going to
0:18:17 > 0:18:23go back to the polls.Like having a coalition with the DUP! The problem
0:18:23 > 0:18:27we see in Germany is something we will see in other countries, we will
0:18:27 > 0:18:30see it in Italy with the next elections, the fragmentation of the
0:18:30 > 0:18:37voters. This is irreversible.Not in the UK, more than 85% voted for two
0:18:37 > 0:18:44parties.You are making the point of that and lots of countries it has
0:18:44 > 0:18:49proved to be the case.In Britain, regardless of the system, it locks
0:18:49 > 0:18:55in one government or the other, still the Tories failed to find a
0:18:55 > 0:19:02majority. So they had to make a deal with the DUP. So the biggest picture
0:19:02 > 0:19:10of what is going on is, are our democracy is capable and ready to
0:19:10 > 0:19:16face what is happening in the minds of the voters?In Germany that is a
0:19:16 > 0:19:20very important point, we do not want a grand coalition because we didn't
0:19:20 > 0:19:25have an opposition in Germany, when we had the refugee crisis, there was
0:19:25 > 0:19:28an overall feeling that we need a stronger position in Parliament, if
0:19:28 > 0:19:32this is not happening, we get more votes for the right-wing party, that
0:19:32 > 0:19:37is why I think many people are wary of another coalition and we might
0:19:37 > 0:19:44have the same situation.We will be discussing this in the weeks to
0:19:44 > 0:19:48come, for sure. Let's turn our attention is further afield.
0:19:48 > 0:19:50There was euphoria in Harare as Emmerson Mnangagwa was
0:19:50 > 0:19:52sworn in as Zimbabwe's President.
0:19:52 > 0:19:55He told the 60,000 people packed into the National Stadium
0:19:55 > 0:19:58in the capital that elections will be held next year,
0:19:58 > 0:20:01and he promised to stamp out corruption.
0:20:01 > 0:20:06Robert Mugabe had ruled for 37 years.
0:20:06 > 0:20:15How different will the new President be, Annalisa?
0:20:15 > 0:20:23What are the panellists' thoughts? Here 75, with a short break in the
0:20:23 > 0:20:28mid-90s he has been a minister since 1980, which is before some of your
0:20:28 > 0:20:31more fortunate viewers will have been born. He is hardly the
0:20:31 > 0:20:35freshfaced champion of new values and ideas. My other concern about
0:20:35 > 0:20:45President is that in a week that he has been lucky when he committed his
0:20:45 > 0:20:50own massacre, or presided over it. When he served as minister for
0:20:50 > 0:20:56security, he presided over the persecution of minority people in
0:20:56 > 0:20:58Zimbabwe, and the International Association of genocide scholars
0:20:58 > 0:21:03puts the figure of deaths at around 20,000. I can only concede he seems
0:21:03 > 0:21:09to have got away with it, because he has avoided responsibility, although
0:21:09 > 0:21:12almost everyone concerned thinks he is responsible, and because of the
0:21:12 > 0:21:17timing. But let us not pretend he is a good guy.For once, I agree with
0:21:17 > 0:21:23Alex! Remember, he is still under US sanctions, and I think people forget
0:21:23 > 0:21:28that, he was so tied to Mugabe and his regime that the US Government
0:21:28 > 0:21:33sanctioned him. There are still US sanctions against a number of big
0:21:33 > 0:21:38Zimbabwe companies, and for him to succeed, he will really need to
0:21:38 > 0:21:42unlock funding on the international financial community, from the IMF
0:21:42 > 0:21:46and the World Bank and others, in order to survive.The economy is
0:21:46 > 0:21:51trashed.It is on its knees, it hasn't had its own currency for
0:21:51 > 0:21:56eight years. I think we will not really know whether what kind of
0:21:56 > 0:22:00leader he will be until the next elections, is he capable of holding
0:22:00 > 0:22:08truly free and fair elections? Does he realise it is in his own
0:22:08 > 0:22:12self-interest to sort out not only talk the talk but walk the walk,
0:22:12 > 0:22:14really follow through on these policies in order to unlock the
0:22:14 > 0:22:21funding to try to rescue the economy?The responsibility of the
0:22:21 > 0:22:26international community, Stephanie was reminding us that Zimbabwe is
0:22:26 > 0:22:32crippled by debt, it needs urgently something to help it cope with 9
0:22:32 > 0:22:36billion debt. So the problem was that Mugabe was in the same
0:22:36 > 0:22:40situation many, many times and he kept being bailed out without really
0:22:40 > 0:22:44proper strict conditions put on him. So the question will be really, the
0:22:44 > 0:22:51rest of the world, being strong enough to say, fine, you can get
0:22:51 > 0:22:57help, but this time, you need to do something to reform.And what of the
0:22:57 > 0:23:01role of the opposition? Guests around this table last week said the
0:23:01 > 0:23:07MDC absolutely have its game, have to be united, particularly if we are
0:23:07 > 0:23:12really going to see fresh elections next year. There has to be an
0:23:12 > 0:23:17opposition as well to have a democratic election.And there will
0:23:17 > 0:23:21be fears, so how will this collection evolve? Will it be
0:23:21 > 0:23:30dominated by balance will be free and fair? -- by violence. What does
0:23:30 > 0:23:41the international community do?This man's nickname is the Crocodile, so
0:23:41 > 0:23:52he knows he has manipulated... He knows how to manipulate that system.
0:23:52 > 0:23:57If I were a minority person in Zimbabwe, I would view this coming
0:23:57 > 0:24:00President, this new presidency, as bad news, because at least when you
0:24:00 > 0:24:05faced Mugabe, you thought there was going to come a time when it
0:24:05 > 0:24:10finishes. This is the new guy, it is meet the new boss, same as the old
0:24:10 > 0:24:15boss. The same person who has been persecuting you since the 1980s.So
0:24:15 > 0:24:21the euphoria we saw on the streets in Harare this week...It is natural
0:24:21 > 0:24:26to show relieved to see Mugabe go, and the massacres which were
0:24:26 > 0:24:30inflicted on the minority in Zimbabwe were not against them, so
0:24:30 > 0:24:35see Mugabe go was per se a good thing but this is the ultimate
0:24:35 > 0:24:40continuity candidate. He has just done three years as Vice President.
0:24:40 > 0:24:46People will say when it was not a military?, whereas he was the actual
0:24:46 > 0:24:49military guy, they pushed Mugabe out and brought him back. He remains
0:24:49 > 0:24:56indebted to the military for that power that he has gained.But in
0:24:56 > 0:25:04previous situations, we have seen sometimes the military holding the
0:25:04 > 0:25:07power, and definitely with the fall of Mugabe, there is a sense that
0:25:07 > 0:25:14this kind of corrupted regime cannot go on any more. So sometimes you
0:25:14 > 0:25:20might see that the transition guy that is remote controlled by the
0:25:20 > 0:25:23military might actually assist, because he knows the system might
0:25:23 > 0:25:28actually assist the transition to a more modern country.We wait to see.
0:25:28 > 0:25:33A degree of agreement!
0:25:33 > 0:25:35That's all we have time for this week.
0:25:35 > 0:25:38Do join us again, same time, same place, next week.
0:25:38 > 0:25:40But for now, thank you for watching and goodbye.