:00:12. > :00:22.Is a deal to save the euro-zone top of our politicians's Christmas
:00:22. > :00:22.
:00:22. > :00:26.Good evening. All eyes are on Brussels this evening as European
:00:26. > :00:29.leaders try to work out a plan to solve the debt crisis crippling the
:00:29. > :00:32.Eurozone. The Prime Minister says he'll defend British interests in
:00:32. > :00:37.those discussions - but for many of his backbenchers that means drawing
:00:37. > :00:40.powers back to the UK. So will David Cameron be able to strike a
:00:40. > :00:50.balance between the Eurosceptics at home and playing a part in avoiding
:00:50. > :00:57.
:00:57. > :01:01.economic meltdown across Europe? If you would have predicted all of
:01:01. > :01:05.this last year, they would probably have thrown you out of the cross-
:01:05. > :01:10.party. A single currency on the brink, the government of Greece and
:01:10. > :01:14.Italy collapsing, and the debt crisis threatening to spiral out of
:01:14. > :01:20.control, shaking the foundations of the world economy. No shortage of
:01:20. > :01:25.people keen to point out just how bleak everything looks. The crisis
:01:25. > :01:31.in the euro-zone is having a chilling effect... Help them
:01:31. > :01:36.resolve this issue... No one who looks at the current position could
:01:36. > :01:41.deny that it is extraordinarily serious. So in this enormous all in
:01:41. > :01:45.Brussels, the latest attempt to try and sort out the mass is getting
:01:45. > :01:50.under way. The phrase make or break his used often when it comes to
:01:50. > :01:55.European summit. Perhaps this one deserves the description more than
:01:55. > :02:00.most. Tonight, Europe's political big beasts arrived to discuss new
:02:00. > :02:04.budgetary rules drawn up by Germany and France, that would impose
:02:04. > :02:09.penalties for countries that overspend. That proposal, according
:02:09. > :02:13.to some, represents a fundamental shift in European politics. Inter-
:02:13. > :02:19.governmental decisions are being taken once again by France and
:02:19. > :02:24.Germany, and that is a problem for those who are... People who believe
:02:24. > :02:30.in the Community method, which is all 27. For two countries to be
:02:30. > :02:33.making the decisions are 17 is not appropriate. Other sense that the
:02:33. > :02:38.from the euro-zone crisis has caused a political shift elsewhere.
:02:38. > :02:43.At Westminster, in the shadow of Parliament, the statue commemorates
:02:43. > :02:47.the siege of the French port of Calais in the 12th century by King
:02:47. > :02:56.Edward the third. The Prime Minister must have felt under siege
:02:56. > :03:03.from his own backbenchers yesterday. No taxation without representation.
:03:03. > :03:07.It is the bastion of freedom. EU summit is a defining moment, a
:03:07. > :03:12.once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Will the promise to seize the
:03:12. > :03:16.moment? Will the Prime Minister do Britain proud on Friday, and show
:03:16. > :03:20.some bulldog spirit in Brussels? The Euro-sceptics on the right have
:03:20. > :03:25.been re-energised, and that, to say the least, could prove
:03:25. > :03:30.uncomfortable for Mr Cameron at the helm but his coalition. But a Tory
:03:30. > :03:34.MP more sympathetic to the European cause senses a more general shift.
:03:34. > :03:40.It may well be that we are starting to see a repositioning in politics
:03:40. > :03:45.in which escapes isn't moves to be more of a mainstream concept. --
:03:45. > :03:51.scepticism. As one who has been sceptical -- positive about our
:03:51. > :03:55.membership of the European Union, I am worried about that. But I think
:03:55. > :04:01.people in Wales need to be reminded regularly about how important
:04:01. > :04:06.markets in Europe are. There has been a shift because of the
:04:06. > :04:10.difficulties of the euro-zone has experienced. We have all got
:04:10. > :04:16.reservations of one kind or another. I think many of us did make
:04:16. > :04:21.criticisms of the way the was put together 10 years ago or more. --
:04:21. > :04:26.the euro-zone. What is important is we don't try and put the clock back
:04:26. > :04:30.but deal with the problems we are faced with. At least one Labour
:04:30. > :04:35.politician was either -- eager to nail his pro-European views to the
:04:35. > :04:40.mast yesterday. The Welsh government is unashamedly pro-
:04:40. > :04:45.European, and I fully support measures to improve the stability
:04:45. > :04:51.of the euro-zone. It is clearly in everyone's interest. I urged member
:04:51. > :04:54.states to show regard for the common European good while standing
:04:54. > :04:59.firm for disciplined financial management. He was speaking at a
:04:59. > :05:03.conference held in Cardiff Bay to discuss the impact the euro-zone a
:05:03. > :05:08.crisis is having on Wales. It is not a pretty picture. We want to
:05:08. > :05:13.make sure that Welsh businesses have export markets to export to,
:05:13. > :05:17.and we depend on Europe for a lot of our goods, so it is a two-way
:05:17. > :05:22.trade, a lot of our imports come from Europe. The price of that will
:05:22. > :05:27.be affected if the crisis continues, so it is a everybody's interest for
:05:27. > :05:33.the whole thing to be stabilised. It is in the interest of Welsh
:05:33. > :05:36.distances that the eurozone is a success. Back here, there are few
:05:36. > :05:39.signs of the Christmas spirit, but I don't think there will be much
:05:39. > :05:45.appetite among the political leaders tonight to share in festive
:05:45. > :05:50.cheer. With the EU struggling to deal with the biggest crisis in its
:05:50. > :05:54.history, nobody expects the economic forecasts to improve
:05:54. > :05:57.anywhere, anytime soon. That was Owain Clarke from Brussels.
:05:57. > :06:00.Well, joining us now from our Aberystwyth studio is Sir Emyr
:06:00. > :06:10.Jones Parry - a former senior diplomat who has worked right at
:06:10. > :06:12.
:06:12. > :06:17.the very heart of UK relations with the European Union. Good evening.
:06:17. > :06:22.The summit has been described as do or die by many, is that how you see
:06:22. > :06:26.it? It is a very important summit. There have been lots of artificial
:06:26. > :06:31.deadlines, but there really is an urgent need to reassure the markets,
:06:31. > :06:36.to stabilise the markets, to give some indication that when the next
:06:36. > :06:40.set of bonds become due for repayment in Greece, and others
:06:40. > :06:46.come up in other countries, that repayments will be made, and that
:06:46. > :06:50.above all, new investment will be made at reasonable rates. That is
:06:50. > :06:56.the challenge, and what we have got in this summit is a chance in the
:06:56. > :07:00.short term -- short-term to send that message, but also, through the
:07:00. > :07:04.proposed changes to fiscal rules governing the euro-zone, to try and
:07:04. > :07:09.demonstrate to the markets that there is a fundamental wished to
:07:09. > :07:16.tackle the basic problems. And the basic problems are technically
:07:16. > :07:22.difficult. How can be tested is the south, how can you cope with those
:07:22. > :07:27.problems -- how competitive is the South? It is a big, big technical
:07:27. > :07:32.challenge and a political challenge. Huge issues, as you say, much has
:07:32. > :07:36.been made up of the balloting at facing David Cameron with the Euro-
:07:36. > :07:41.sceptics on the Conservative backbenches. And also, needing to
:07:41. > :07:47.play a part in come up with some of the solutions to this. How do you
:07:47. > :07:52.think he should or will play it? think he will stand up for British
:07:52. > :07:57.interests. But it is politically difficult for everyone to stop
:07:57. > :08:03.France and Germany have come up with proposals, the rest will be
:08:03. > :08:09.pleased but a bit irritated at two countries are dictated. --
:08:09. > :08:14.dictating. France wants the Germans to support bonds and the European
:08:14. > :08:21.Central Bank to do more financing, Germany wants tighter fiscal rules,
:08:21. > :08:26.which France doesn't want. Then for the Prime Minister, he has been
:08:26. > :08:31.criticising, rightly, the lack of action, but that when the river him
:08:31. > :08:37.is he could be put in the position where he is the person abstracting
:08:37. > :08:40.action by the rest. Do you think of a domestic situation in the UK and
:08:40. > :08:44.the political pressures on him it will hold him back from playing a
:08:44. > :08:48.constructive role in these sessions? I am sure he will be as
:08:48. > :08:53.constructive as he can be, given that we are not one of the 17 in
:08:53. > :08:57.the euro-zone. But he has a legitimate point of view that
:08:57. > :09:02.whatever is put in place, it shouldn't affect the fairness, the
:09:02. > :09:08.integrity of the single market, it shouldn't disadvantage London and
:09:08. > :09:12.the financial institutions. Those should be defended strongly. At the
:09:12. > :09:18.same time, he has to contribute to the settlement, but that will be
:09:18. > :09:24.most important but the 17th. were at the Foreign Office at the
:09:24. > :09:33.time of the Maastricht treaty, those discussions, any lessons from
:09:33. > :09:39.that period for David Cameron now? I think at the time, John Major was
:09:39. > :09:44.quite right to obtain the opt-out for Britain to stop he did that,
:09:44. > :09:48.and I am sure the Prime Minister tonight and tomorrow at will ensure
:09:48. > :09:53.we are not been brought in something which neither the
:09:53. > :09:57.government nor Parliament will want us to be part of, nor will we want
:09:57. > :10:02.to be disadvantaged by the action of others. But we have a keen
:10:02. > :10:06.interest in seeing this situation stabilised, getting the market's
:10:06. > :10:10.return towards normality, because our interests are very much at
:10:10. > :10:15.stake, all the trade we have with the rest of the European Union, it
:10:15. > :10:18.is brattle for British interests. thank you.
:10:18. > :10:21.It's the final week of business in the Assembly before Christmas and
:10:21. > :10:24.the First Minister has wrapped things up today with an end of term
:10:24. > :10:26.press conference. Earlier I spoke to Carwyn Jones and asked him is
:10:26. > :10:34.he's satisfied with his Government's achievements over the
:10:34. > :10:39.past year. Absolutely. We have provided a lot of packages of
:10:39. > :10:43.support the economy, started to introduce new laws, after the
:10:43. > :10:48.powers that the people of Wales granted us in May, and we have made
:10:48. > :10:54.sure that we have fought Wales's corner, particularly the UK
:10:54. > :10:58.government's acceptance of the need to look at the way Wales is funded.
:10:58. > :11:02.As the Conservatives have pointed out, you have only tabled one piece
:11:02. > :11:07.of legislation in that time, is that a satisfactory? They cannot
:11:07. > :11:10.have it both ways. They have complained they wanted us to
:11:10. > :11:15.produce white papers and send them out to consultation, then make sure
:11:15. > :11:19.we drafted new bills, they cannot say on the one hand that things are
:11:19. > :11:22.slow, because they themselves wanted to have this system, to make
:11:22. > :11:26.sure the appropriate level of scrutiny was in place. We have
:11:26. > :11:30.started work on a number of new bills. You will be familiar with
:11:30. > :11:34.the criticisms from the opposition parties, they have talked about you
:11:34. > :11:40.being complacent, there has been our lack of leadership, there has
:11:40. > :11:46.been avoiding. Are you concerned these labels make stick? When other
:11:46. > :11:52.parties have a go at you personally, it shows they are afraid of you. We
:11:52. > :11:56.have shown the way in terms of new ideas for Wales, we had the best
:11:56. > :12:01.manifesto, the best ideas in terms of legislation, and we are moving
:12:01. > :12:07.forward with those. Those attacks don't impress me, I know full well
:12:08. > :12:12.but they are worried. They say it isn't a personal attack, but the
:12:12. > :12:16.policies you put forward have shown that you are complacent rather than
:12:16. > :12:19.you as an individual, maybe. If you look at the Conservative point of
:12:19. > :12:26.view, they would say we are complacent because we're not doing
:12:26. > :12:31.what they are doing in England. When it comes to Plaid Cymru, there
:12:32. > :12:35.were no ideas for new laws at all in their manifesto. We have put
:12:35. > :12:39.forward ideas that are ambitious for Wales and will provide some
:12:39. > :12:44.sense of optimism given the economic gloom that pervades the UK.
:12:44. > :12:49.You have talked about the economic situation, which is dominating
:12:49. > :12:52.everything, we have unemployment in Wales and 9%, youth unemployment at
:12:52. > :12:58.over 22%. Looking ahead to next year, how bad you think things will
:12:58. > :13:03.get here in Wales? It is difficult to see an improvement. We are doing
:13:03. > :13:09.what we can, we have as seen -- scheme that will put 4000 young
:13:09. > :13:14.people into training, we have �55 million available for small
:13:14. > :13:18.businesses to help them through the difficulties, we have put capital
:13:18. > :13:22.project support of over �130 million to make sure that new
:13:22. > :13:27.buildings are built, which will create jobs in the building sector
:13:27. > :13:31.as well. We have made sure that �1.4 billion is going into building
:13:31. > :13:36.new schools. These things will all help people in getting new skills
:13:36. > :13:39.in the future, but also create jobs. The opposition parties have
:13:39. > :13:44.emphasised that you're ready to blame the UK government for the
:13:44. > :13:51.economic woes of Wales. Do you take responsibility for the economic
:13:51. > :13:55.condition of Wales's to UK government does bear responsibility.
:13:55. > :13:58.I'm not saying that we sit back and do nothing, of course not, we have
:13:58. > :14:02.shown that does not happen with all we have done and all the money we
:14:02. > :14:06.have put in over the course of the last month particularly. But I
:14:06. > :14:10.don't think the UK government's proposals to cut the pay of public
:14:10. > :14:20.sector workers in Wales simply because they live in Wales is
:14:20. > :14:22.
:14:22. > :14:27.something I can let go without You talk about regional pay. What
:14:27. > :14:32.are your proposals on that? The Chancellor says this could happen
:14:32. > :14:36.in the short to medium term? I do not accept that people who live in
:14:36. > :14:42.Wales should be paid less for doing the same job as people in the south
:14:42. > :14:46.of England. That is absolutely wrong. It is absolutely immoral. I
:14:46. > :14:52.will fight it tooth and nail. All that would do is reduce the amount
:14:52. > :14:56.of money going into people's pockets in Wales. That is wrong.
:14:56. > :15:01.The forecasts are pretty gloomy in terms of the economy. What can the
:15:01. > :15:06.Welsh Government offered to lift people's spirits? Selling Wales is
:15:06. > :15:13.what we're going to do. I had been to China. I will be going to India
:15:13. > :15:18.and the United States next year. We have people who are ambitious, who
:15:18. > :15:22.want to move forward, people with the right skills. It is important
:15:22. > :15:28.we do that. This is where the investment money is at the moment.
:15:28. > :15:32.We have good relations with China that I think will bear fruit.
:15:32. > :15:42.final question, just about the allegations of malpractice against
:15:42. > :15:45.
:15:45. > :15:51.a couple of exams board examiners, it must be disappointing to see
:15:51. > :15:55.these allegations made against a Welsh body? Yes. I am aware of the
:15:55. > :15:58.allegations. The Education Minister has asked for an investigation.
:15:58. > :16:04.They must be a thorough investigation so we know what has
:16:04. > :16:07.happened. - there must be. Now, when it comes to education, Carwyn
:16:07. > :16:09.Jones' government has pledged to drive up standards - and Ministers
:16:10. > :16:12.say ranking schools in five performance bands is part of the
:16:12. > :16:15.answer. Today secondary schools found out in which band they've
:16:15. > :16:17.been placed. I asked Philip Dixon, Director of the Association of
:16:17. > :16:22.Teachers and Lecturers Cymru, whether they accept this isn't
:16:22. > :16:26.about naming and shaming schools but about improvement. The
:16:26. > :16:32.Education Minister is clear about this. It is not about naming and
:16:32. > :16:37.shaming schools. It is about improvement. Do you accept that?
:16:37. > :16:40.That is his intention and that is to be welcomed. What we have seen
:16:40. > :16:45.today is the naming of schools. There seems to be very little in
:16:45. > :16:49.the way of support. That is a real concern. When you talk about
:16:49. > :16:55.supporter, do you mean financial support? I would hope they would be
:16:56. > :17:00.some financial support. That seems to be ruled out. There is other
:17:00. > :17:06.support. Supporting teachers in class, supporting headteachers etc.
:17:06. > :17:12.None of that seems to be getting to the front line. They have promised
:17:12. > :17:19.four regional boards that will work on improvement in schools. That
:17:19. > :17:25.will surely answer your concerns? That will be next year. They will
:17:25. > :17:29.start around about September. There is almost a gap of the year between
:17:29. > :17:39.the naming and the support. What schools will want from tomorrow is
:17:39. > :17:41.
:17:41. > :17:45.the support. Our you opposed to banding schools? This idea was
:17:45. > :17:50.originally about giving extra support to schools. And number in
:17:50. > :17:57.the profession welcomed it. The crude ranking we have seen in
:17:57. > :18:02.England with the rankings does not work. We have to see more support
:18:02. > :18:06.in the system. That is not there. Schools have to be accountable.
:18:06. > :18:11.Schools want to be accountable. But you have to have intelligent
:18:11. > :18:15.accountability. I am not quite sure that letting them dangle before
:18:15. > :18:25.Christmas without a supporter is right. What about the incentives
:18:25. > :18:27.
:18:27. > :18:32.this provides? The fact they can move up? That is how the league
:18:32. > :18:37.tables in England were supposed to work. They did not. My worry is
:18:37. > :18:43.those who find themselves in the bottom band will find themselves
:18:43. > :18:47.completely demoralised. I do not think you can expose people and say,
:18:47. > :18:53.now improve your cells. Often they will need outside support. If a
:18:53. > :18:56.child is not very good at maths, it would help them to know the other
:18:57. > :19:03.scores of other children, because often children can help each other.
:19:03. > :19:09.What we have here, I am afraid, is that the scores have been published
:19:09. > :19:14.and these child, as it were, has been left bereft. You talk about
:19:14. > :19:20.accountability. What about the role of parents? It is important, isn't
:19:20. > :19:25.it, that they have an idea of how local schools are performing?
:19:25. > :19:30.Quite often parents make judgments on a variety of indicators. I think
:19:30. > :19:34.we have seen some perverse consequences today. There is a
:19:34. > :19:40.school in the First Minister's constituency which finds itself in
:19:40. > :19:45.band five. These things are not marrying up properly. Some parents
:19:45. > :19:48.will be puzzled by the information today. Thank you for joining me.
:19:48. > :19:51.The festive season is upon us, and we all recall Dickens tale of the
:19:51. > :19:54.ghosts of Christmases past, present and yet to come. Well, never ones
:19:54. > :19:57.to miss out on a good yarn, Dragon's Eye asked the Western
:19:57. > :20:07.Mail's very own Ebenezer Scrooge, Matt Withers, for his take on
:20:07. > :20:33.
:20:33. > :20:39.what's been, what's gone and what's If 2011 was the worst of times,
:20:39. > :20:46.2012 could be even worse. This year saw the UK Government withdraw much
:20:46. > :20:52.of its funding. There was so-so and rest on the streets of London. --
:20:52. > :20:55.social unrest. What would dickens had made a bit? He described credit
:20:55. > :21:04.as when a person who cannot pay asking another person who can pay,
:21:04. > :21:14.guarantee that he can. In Wales, 2012 will be a tale of governments
:21:14. > :21:14.
:21:14. > :21:21.in O2 macro cities, Cardiff and London. -- two cities. The
:21:21. > :21:25.Conservatives and Liberal Democrat bedfellows led by Cameron and Clerc,
:21:25. > :21:30.will find the fingers pointed at them increasingly by the Labour
:21:31. > :21:40.administration in Wales. The Times of austerity have already begun
:21:40. > :21:47.with a Wells budget cut for the first time. -- Welsh. A cry of
:21:47. > :21:51.please sir, can we have some more, is unlikely to be smiled upon. It
:21:52. > :21:57.will be the first full year of our National Assembly having law making
:21:57. > :22:03.powers. People have great expectations. With the public purse
:22:03. > :22:07.strings so tight, the laws will resemble more an Old curiosity Shop.
:22:07. > :22:11.Mogg cycle lanes, less the tattooing of young people, and
:22:11. > :22:21.local authorities being made to share chief executives. A new
:22:21. > :22:23.
:22:23. > :22:28.commission will look at the fiscal powers of Wales. While everyone, or
:22:28. > :22:33.at least most of us will feel the pain, politics will continue as
:22:33. > :22:38.usual. Labour will continue to muddle through in an assembly which
:22:38. > :22:46.could become a bleak House. Plaid Cymru, looking for a new leader,
:22:47. > :22:54.and the Liberal Democrats, could be on hand to joined their gang. Could
:22:54. > :22:59.a deal with the opposition see the assembly visited by a minister of
:22:59. > :23:04.Christmas past, Peter Hain? 2012 will be all about the economy. With
:23:04. > :23:11.less money around, governments will increasingly resemble Scrooge as
:23:11. > :23:15.budgets shrink and spending retracts. It is a situation which
:23:15. > :23:21.Dickens himself would have struggled to recognise more than
:23:21. > :23:24.140 years after his death. Merry Christmas one and all? Bar humbug.
:23:24. > :23:26.Thanks to Matt 'Scrooge' Withers from the Western Mail. Joining me
:23:26. > :23:29.now is Conservative MP Glyn Davies, Liberal Democrat Assembly Member
:23:29. > :23:39.Peter Black, the Labour MP Kevin Brennan, and Plaid Cymru Assembly
:23:39. > :23:43.
:23:43. > :23:47.Member Jocelyn Davies. A pretty bleak picture painted there. Your
:23:47. > :23:51.Conservative backbenchers are not showing much good Lil -- goodwill
:23:51. > :23:57.towards cheerleaders on the European issue. Where you stand?
:23:57. > :24:00.have got a top issue. David Cameron is in Europe at the Mohmand and
:24:00. > :24:08.hopefully he will protect Britain's interest. That is what I expect him
:24:08. > :24:16.to do. -- at the moment. It is politics. There was no harm in it.
:24:16. > :24:22.Kevin Brennan, the Labour MPs smell blood here? -- do Labour MPs?
:24:22. > :24:28.was telling yesterday when Ed Miliband put David Cameron on the
:24:28. > :24:32.spot, just how much he waffled. It is a case of the return of the
:24:32. > :24:38.dinosaurs in terms of the Eurosceptics in Westminster. They
:24:38. > :24:42.are queuing up to get some red meat going on Europe. It is a fault line
:24:42. > :24:47.within the Conservative Party and within the coalition. It Liberal-
:24:47. > :24:51.Democrats traditionally have taken a different view. -- the Liberal
:24:51. > :24:58.Democrat. Nick Clegg seemed to be staring into a vacant space
:24:58. > :25:04.yesterday during Prime Minister's Questions. You have just done a
:25:04. > :25:09.deal with Labour on the budget here. Is that party politically motivated
:25:09. > :25:15.ahead of the local elections? was about making sure we have
:25:15. > :25:18.stability for public services, making sure we got at key Liberal
:25:18. > :25:22.Democrat manifesto pledge delivered, more money for every school in
:25:22. > :25:26.Wales. The Prime reservation was stability, making sure we got the
:25:26. > :25:35.budget through. Get some extra money to schools to help the
:25:35. > :25:40.poorest people. I should imagine the Eagles you may get in the local
:25:40. > :25:50.elections was probably am more of a motivation. -- I should imagine
:25:50. > :25:54.that the boast you may get. I am quite enjoying being in opposition.
:25:54. > :25:59.Yes, of course, this time last year we were in Government. I am very
:25:59. > :26:03.proud to be in a Government that delivered the referendum. I think
:26:03. > :26:08.we have settled quite well back into opposition. And of course
:26:08. > :26:12.Labour was not able to offer us what we wanted in order to support
:26:12. > :26:16.them on the Budget. We have supported them on the budget in the
:26:16. > :26:24.past. When we have been able to get what we want. But the key issue in
:26:24. > :26:29.the coming months is the leadership. His independence going to be the
:26:29. > :26:35.dividing line? I do not know if that will be the case. Everybody
:26:35. > :26:43.has their own views. We have three very good candidates. I will be
:26:43. > :26:53.supporting Eddie Jones. We have got a Simon Thomas and Pywell and
:26:53. > :26:59.Thomas. They have all got different views. -- Dai Llewellyn. Glyn
:26:59. > :27:04.Davies, obviously it has been at the year for the new Conservative
:27:04. > :27:11.leader in the assembly. He has maybe liven up First Minister's
:27:11. > :27:14.Questions. Is the first ministerial material? Of course. He has liven
:27:14. > :27:19.up proceedings in the assembly. I think he has done incredibly well.
:27:19. > :27:23.He is coming to London next week to meet but David Cameron and all of
:27:23. > :27:30.the MPs. I have been organising that. He is turning out to be a
:27:30. > :27:39.very good leader. Defying some of the people who decried him. Has he
:27:39. > :27:43.got Carwyn Jones on the Ron? I do not think so. Carwyn Jones is a
:27:43. > :27:48.very significantly able operator. One thing I disagree with Jocelyne
:27:48. > :27:53.about is about being in opposition. I could never settle with being in
:27:53. > :27:59.opposition. It is a terrible place to be. Having an election for a
:27:59. > :28:06.leader in opposition is like having an election for the mayor of the
:28:06. > :28:13.Mont Caines. You might as well give up. One year in power is worth a
:28:13. > :28:18.1000 years in opposition. It is not inevitable but you have to accept
:28:18. > :28:25.that sometimes that is what happens. Make the best of the role you have
:28:25. > :28:29.an opposition. It used to it. would never get used to it. I think