15/03/2012

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:00:04. > :00:14.Plaid has a new leader. What are the challenges she faces in shaping

:00:14. > :00:26.

:00:26. > :00:28.the future of the party? This is they were distracted by the

:00:28. > :00:32.Cheltenham Festival. Nevertheless, the Wood campaign ran a clever race

:00:32. > :00:35.which saw her romp home this afternoon. We'll hear from her in a

:00:35. > :00:45.moment, but first Brian Meechan has been looking at the challenges the

:00:45. > :00:56.

:00:56. > :01:05.It was hardly a photo-finish in the three-horse race for the Plaid

:01:05. > :01:10.leadership. Leanne Wood has held a centre-left seat for the party

:01:10. > :01:19.since 2003. In that time, she has built a reputation as a tireless

:01:19. > :01:21.campaigner on a range of issues. Plaid Cymru members will get the

:01:22. > :01:25.first into their new leader in action when they meet for the

:01:25. > :01:30.conference at the end of this month. One former Plaid Cymru leader

:01:30. > :01:35.offered this advice. Obviously every political party has discrete

:01:35. > :01:39.elements within it. Some agree wholeheartedly with the party's

:01:39. > :01:41.mainstream policy, and some with their individual aspirations. Any

:01:41. > :01:46.leader has to bridge these different strands within the party

:01:46. > :01:51.to make everyone feel they are part of a team and to ensure that they

:01:51. > :01:55.maximise the delivery of what is best for Wales. There is also

:01:56. > :02:00.advice from Plaid Cymru's Caernarfon stronghold. We need to

:02:00. > :02:05.create a new political hinterland, to represent the party in all parts

:02:05. > :02:11.of Wales and reach out to people in Wales and get them feeling that we

:02:11. > :02:20.now have a party we can relate to and a party who we can feel part of

:02:20. > :02:27.and who want to represent our best interests. That is a huge challenge.

:02:27. > :02:30.John Paul stood for plied -- Plaid in 2001. He left the party after

:02:30. > :02:35.falling out of his leadership and is now running his own business

:02:35. > :02:44.after retiring from his job as an economics lecturer. There are two

:02:44. > :02:48.issues here. The party has suffered from very poor leadership, and it

:02:48. > :02:55.doesn't know why it exists any more. Whether you agree with Plaid Cymru

:02:55. > :03:00.or not, any organisation has an objective and a purpose, and there

:03:00. > :03:10.is no question in my mind that Plaid Cymru has lost its way. And

:03:10. > :03:11.

:03:11. > :03:14.that is as a consequence of a very poor leadership. Plaid Cymru lost

:03:14. > :03:23.this constituency in the last election to Labour. The new leader

:03:23. > :03:29.will have to address the poor electoral form. One of the reasons

:03:29. > :03:33.we lost from Netley is because people were afraid. That was the

:03:33. > :03:39.only message people could hear, they were so frightened of the

:03:39. > :03:42.Tories, and we lost our votes. We want to say to people here and

:03:43. > :03:46.right across the valleys, come with us, we have an exciting journey our

:03:46. > :03:51.country, and we can build the economy that we need and build a

:03:51. > :03:55.fairer for society. But Leanne Wood doesn't have time to market card

:03:55. > :04:00.for the race with the council elections in May. It has come a

:04:00. > :04:05.little early for the new leader to make their mark, but on the other

:04:05. > :04:09.hand, it is an opportunity to perhaps have a springboard and

:04:09. > :04:12.ensure that the party does perform well. That is going to be a

:04:13. > :04:16.challenge, we know, but there is an opportunity there to reach out and

:04:16. > :04:24.for people to recognise that we are the party who can represent them in

:04:24. > :04:29.their community and in counties and protect services. The SNP's success

:04:29. > :04:36.in cost Scotland has led some to say that independence has been seen

:04:36. > :04:42.as a handicap for too long. A recent poll suggests that only 7%

:04:42. > :04:46.of people here support Wales leaving the United Kingdom.

:04:46. > :04:52.Independence is what most people think of Plaid as a party for, but

:04:52. > :04:58.our message is really about the economy and jobs. Some of us

:04:58. > :05:02.believe that independence is a way to achieve that. But that is how we

:05:02. > :05:08.need to achieve that - hour mission is to improve the quality of life

:05:08. > :05:12.for Wales. When Plaid Cymru rallies here at the end of March, the party

:05:12. > :05:16.will have to assent that they are led by someone with a clear idea of

:05:16. > :05:19.where they are going. With May's council elections in sight, there

:05:19. > :05:27.won't be long. Brian Meechan reporting. Let's

:05:27. > :05:33.speak to the winner now. Leanne Wood joins us from Cardiff Bay.

:05:33. > :05:38.Congratulations. Thank you very much. I guess top of your in-tray

:05:38. > :05:43.at the moment must be reversing the decline that Plaid Cymru has seen

:05:43. > :05:50.since the first assembly elections. How will you do that? And think we

:05:50. > :05:55.need to take some time to build up the case for a new type of economy

:05:55. > :06:01.for Wales, and I think that we can pull together all the best talent

:06:01. > :06:07.within the party, talent from outside the party, to put together

:06:07. > :06:12.a strong plan to turn around the world economy. That has got to be

:06:12. > :06:15.Plaid Cymru's priority now. Far too many people are suffering from the

:06:15. > :06:19.economic recession. People are concerned about lack of jobs, youth

:06:19. > :06:25.unemployment and so on, and people's financial situations are

:06:25. > :06:29.very difficult. So I think that I would like to ensure that everybody

:06:29. > :06:34.comes together in the party now and works on putting together this

:06:34. > :06:37.long-term economic plan. He said in your acceptance speech that you're

:06:37. > :06:42.going to make the case for a real independence. Isn't that what Plaid

:06:42. > :06:47.Cymru has been doing since it was formed in 1925? What we do now that

:06:47. > :06:53.is so different? I would argue that we haven't put the case for

:06:53. > :06:57.independence as yet, and that is why such small numbers of people in

:06:57. > :07:02.polls supported. But what is encouraging about recent polls is

:07:02. > :07:07.that two-thirds of people now want to see the financial levers

:07:07. > :07:14.devolved to Wales so that we can sort out our economic problems. So

:07:14. > :07:20.there is a huge task to do in turning around our economy. Figures

:07:20. > :07:24.out this week show that West Wales and the valleys is in decline.

:07:24. > :07:28.what can you offer in terms of practical policies to give people

:07:28. > :07:37.jobs? That is what people are most concerned about at the moment. What

:07:37. > :07:44.you have to offer them? Viewers can log-on to my website to and they

:07:44. > :07:48.will find there a raft... What are the concrete policies? There is a

:07:48. > :07:54.raft Of concrete policies on that website for creating jobs, for

:07:54. > :07:59.example in the green energy sector. If we had a plan to retrofit homes

:07:59. > :08:07.for energy efficiency, we could create jobs that way. What we need

:08:07. > :08:10.in Wales is the equivalent of a 1930s style at USA New Deal.

:08:10. > :08:15.Austerity isn't working in any country in Europe, and it certainly

:08:15. > :08:20.isn't working for Wales. Our situation is dire and getting worse.

:08:20. > :08:26.So at a time when the country is almost skinned, you are saying,

:08:26. > :08:30.let's spend more money? I am, yes. In the 1930s, during the Depression

:08:30. > :08:33.and the United States, there wasn't cash around there either, but a job

:08:33. > :08:40.creation plan was proposed, and that is what turned the situation

:08:40. > :08:43.around, and that is what we have to do in Wales. The latest GDP figures

:08:43. > :08:48.that came out this week, we can say the GDP may not be the same measure

:08:48. > :08:51.of -- the best measure, but they were very worrying figures. Despite

:08:51. > :08:56.billions of pounds of aid, the Welsh economy is continuing to

:08:56. > :09:03.decline. We have to sort that out, and that will be my priority as

:09:03. > :09:07.leader of Plaid Cymru. You say that you want to target the valleys, but

:09:07. > :09:11.Plaid Cymru need to pick up votes in the South Wales valleys, but

:09:11. > :09:19.surely they had a chance back in 1999 when you got a member in

:09:19. > :09:23.Rhondda, but the voters turned back to Labour. What will change now?

:09:23. > :09:30.What happened in 1999 was interesting, and it shows that

:09:30. > :09:34.Plaid Cymru can make gains in areas that we don't hold them. There are

:09:34. > :09:39.areas where Plaid Cymru needs to get representation, and they think

:09:39. > :09:43.this is where our message on the economy and to build up our local

:09:43. > :09:49.communities is one that can reach out, and I have got a message for

:09:49. > :09:52.people in Wales today - join with us. Join Plaid Cymru today to help

:09:53. > :09:59.us build your community, help us build our economy and a stronger

:09:59. > :10:02.Wales. Go online to the Plaid Cymru website and joined tonight! Very

:10:02. > :10:07.quickly if we can, in terms of ruling out a coalition with the

:10:07. > :10:15.Conservatives, as you have done, in terms of aiming for Labour's vote,

:10:15. > :10:20.as you have just done, when are you ever going to get into government?

:10:20. > :10:24.We have to have ambition for Plaid Cymru in the same way as we have to

:10:24. > :10:28.have ambition for Wales. I want to see Plaid Cymru become the biggest

:10:28. > :10:34.party in the National Assembly, and under my leadership, we will be

:10:34. > :10:37.working towards that aim. Leanne Wood, thank you very much for

:10:37. > :10:39.joining us. We'll have more on Leanne Woods' victory when our

:10:39. > :10:41.Welsh Affairs Editor, Vaughan Roderick, joins me later in the

:10:41. > :10:43.programme. Official figures from the European

:10:43. > :10:47.Commission have confirmed what Dragon's Eye exclusively revealed

:10:47. > :10:49.last October - huge parts of Wales are continuing to get poorer in

:10:49. > :10:52.comparison to the rest of Europe despite receiving billions of

:10:52. > :10:55.pounds of aid aimed at boosting their economies. The latest figures

:10:55. > :11:01.show that the measure of economic productivity, GDP, has dropped to

:11:01. > :11:06.68.4% of the European average. Alun Davies is the Welsh Minister

:11:06. > :11:14.responsible for European Programmes. I asked him whether he was

:11:14. > :11:18.disappointed with the latest figures. I think everybody wants

:11:18. > :11:23.Wales to succeed. I represent a constituency in the valleys, I was

:11:23. > :11:27.born and brought up in that region. I want to see economic growth

:11:27. > :11:31.creating prosperity there and across the whole of Wales. We all

:11:31. > :11:35.recognise where we are today, and we are not surprised by where we

:11:35. > :11:38.are but disappointed. What we need to do now is move forward. What has

:11:38. > :11:43.been this morning doing was working with different people, planning

:11:44. > :11:47.ahead to look at what we can do to invest in economic growth in Wales

:11:48. > :11:57.between now and 2020. But what has gone wrong? The trend is very

:11:58. > :12:04.

:12:04. > :12:09.disappointing. 79% of GDP in the Nineties has gone down to 68% now.

:12:09. > :12:12.What has happened? We are broadly trending along with other parts of

:12:12. > :12:18.the United Kingdom and the European Union. There is nothing surprising

:12:18. > :12:22.in these figures. We have just been through an economic storm. It is

:12:22. > :12:26.not surprising that a fragile economy such as West Wales and the

:12:26. > :12:30.valleys will be disproportionately hit. The important thing to

:12:30. > :12:35.recognise is that when you look at these figures, we were in steep

:12:35. > :12:41.decline as an economy into the 1990s and up to the turn of the

:12:41. > :12:46.century. We have arrested the decline at the moment, and what we

:12:46. > :12:51.need... To the decline here is carrying on, and had started before

:12:51. > :13:01.the global recession hit. Those figures that we are discussing

:13:01. > :13:02.

:13:02. > :13:05.today are from 20th nine, -- 2009. If you look at the story of the

:13:05. > :13:12.last decade, you will see that West Wales and the valleys, the Welsh

:13:12. > :13:18.economy, was broadly following you -- UK and European trains. You can

:13:18. > :13:22.see some indicators that we were narrowing that gap. Most people in

:13:22. > :13:30.my constituency don't worry about GP, but they do worry about

:13:30. > :13:35.household income. With respect... With respect, the European

:13:35. > :13:38.Commission looks at GDP. The funding has arrived by GDP. �6

:13:38. > :13:42.billion of money in total since the year 2000, and things are getting

:13:42. > :13:47.worse. That has to be a problem somewhere, and if we don't accept

:13:47. > :13:50.there is a problem, where will the answer come from? If you look at

:13:50. > :13:56.what the European commissioner said when they gave evidence, they

:13:56. > :14:01.described the actions of the Welsh government as being exemplary.

:14:01. > :14:06.how can decline be exemplary? are talking about the investments

:14:07. > :14:11.we have been making, and that is what the European Commission said.

:14:11. > :14:21.I meet European Commission and Council ministers fairly regularly.

:14:21. > :14:24.

:14:24. > :14:29.What we are seeing is investment in As somebody who was born and

:14:29. > :14:33.brought up here, we have seen a relative decline from the 1920s

:14:33. > :14:40.until the end of the century. What we are trying to do his arrest that

:14:40. > :14:45.decline. That is the point, it is not happening. That is the problem.

:14:45. > :14:49.If you measure output figures, and if you look at what those figures

:14:49. > :14:53.are measuring, they are not measuring wealth but output, you

:14:53. > :14:57.will see that we are broadly tracking with other parts of the

:14:57. > :15:02.European Union. What we need to do is invest so that we can outstrip

:15:02. > :15:10.other parts of the European Union and create prospects for everybody

:15:10. > :15:17.in this can true. Thank you very much. Now, how structural funds

:15:17. > :15:20.have been spent in Wales and the valleys with Andrew Crawley of

:15:20. > :15:23.Cardiff Business School and Owain Davies who runs a manufacturing

:15:23. > :15:25.business in Carmarthenshire and is a council member of the business

:15:25. > :15:32.body, CBI Wales. And Drew, looking at these rather depressing set of

:15:32. > :15:40.figures, what would you say has gone wrong? It is difficult to put

:15:40. > :15:45.up the full tat one body -- it is difficult but the fault on one body.

:15:45. > :15:49.GDP per head, the measure the European uses, does not count the

:15:49. > :15:53.value added element within any of these transfers, is that if you

:15:53. > :16:00.work in Cardiff, your GDP is not counted in the area where you live.

:16:00. > :16:04.So that has to be put in these figures. The over all performance

:16:04. > :16:08.has been disappointing, saying that. We have received two tranches of

:16:09. > :16:13.European funding, and you could question the effectiveness of the

:16:13. > :16:17.policies put in place to help spend those. You could question the

:16:17. > :16:21.procedures that we have, how you actually apply for these funds, a

:16:22. > :16:26.have been effective. Can you give us an example of the kind of thing

:16:26. > :16:33.that has gone wrong? Quarters a concrete example of something that

:16:33. > :16:37.ought to have been improving? -- can you give us? Some of the

:16:37. > :16:41.capital projects, the way in which the funds are administered is very

:16:41. > :16:44.strict, so you have to spend it with in particular areas. There is

:16:44. > :16:49.a lack of co-ordination between bodies at the start of programmes

:16:49. > :16:53.over organising where the funds will be spent. They run for a long

:16:53. > :16:57.period of time so all these bodies must come together to co-ordinate

:16:57. > :17:01.where the funding should be administered. So instead of

:17:01. > :17:06.applying for small pots of cash, you are applying for large projects.

:17:06. > :17:11.There were few and far between. There were some examples in higher

:17:11. > :17:13.education, but there were not any links with businesses. Small

:17:13. > :17:19.business and large business needs to be working with private or

:17:19. > :17:23.organisations. You have done a bit of work looking at how businesses,

:17:23. > :17:28.the private sector, interacts with European funding. What has been

:17:28. > :17:33.your experience? The private sector has not interacted far enough. I

:17:33. > :17:39.have been involved with the process from the early stages. I am

:17:39. > :17:46.disillusioned with the process and amount of money wasted rather than

:17:46. > :17:49.spend on delivery. We have been reluctant to engage because it is

:17:49. > :17:55.bureaucratic. The Welsh government has missed a trick by making sure

:17:55. > :17:59.everything has been filtered through so the private sector can

:17:59. > :18:04.deliver. The private sector and the business sector can improve the

:18:04. > :18:09.economy. The public sector cannot. The way to deliver and improve his

:18:09. > :18:14.to make sure that Wales is a place to do business. What business

:18:14. > :18:19.people want is a nice environment with good infrastructure. I do not

:18:19. > :18:23.necessarily mean rails and road, but people with the right skills

:18:23. > :18:27.and education, and opportunity for businesses to invest in Wales. That

:18:27. > :18:32.is not there and we have missed a trick. And to be entitled to

:18:32. > :18:37.another third tranche is a disgrace and we Ashford -- we should be

:18:37. > :18:45.ashamed. What can government to? Government is bureaucratic,

:18:45. > :18:49.European government. What could they do? What we need to do is to

:18:49. > :18:54.insure the people in the decision- making process understand what our

:18:54. > :18:58.roles and guides. What we are getting too hung up about is the

:18:58. > :19:01.rules that Brussels imposes. We need to look at the needs of Wales

:19:01. > :19:06.and find a process to get money out of Europe to deliver on the needs,

:19:06. > :19:11.not worry we have got �1.5 billion to spend and where we should spend

:19:11. > :19:14.it on. That is the cart before the horse. We have got to make sure

:19:14. > :19:19.needs are evaluated and then the funds are put in place to improve

:19:19. > :19:24.and deliver a. You seem to be nodding in agreement. Is that

:19:24. > :19:29.roughly what you are thinking? Does it need to be flexible? Flexibility

:19:29. > :19:33.is tough, but it is possible. I think it is about pulling together

:19:33. > :19:38.all organisations, so private organisations large and small,

:19:38. > :19:43.communicating with the government what their needs are now. We will

:19:43. > :19:48.qualify for a third tranche. We can question that, but we now need to

:19:48. > :19:53.say that we need to use this in a more effective way. It is about

:19:53. > :19:57.getting keep people's voices. Large organisations and small businesses

:19:57. > :20:01.need to tell us what they need to make economy working better.

:20:01. > :20:05.Linking these things together, unfortunately, you have seen

:20:05. > :20:07.different organisations going off at different tantrums, and we need

:20:07. > :20:13.the whole picture combined and getting the private sector involved

:20:13. > :20:17.is keen. I imagine we will be coming back to this of -- in the

:20:17. > :20:20.future, but for the time being, thank you.

:20:20. > :20:23.What next for Remploy workers? Last week, we reported that nearly 300

:20:23. > :20:26.employees found out their jobs were at risk, after the UK government

:20:26. > :20:29.pulled the funding from seven of the nine factories located here.

:20:29. > :20:32.It's a difficult time, as you can imagine, but Dragon's Eye has

:20:32. > :20:35.learnt that the Welsh Government is hoping to secure new contracts to

:20:35. > :20:38.make the factories more viable. But will this be enough to save them?

:20:38. > :20:45.I've been finding out what else there is out there for people with

:20:45. > :20:49.disabilities looking for work. It has been a tough few weeks for

:20:49. > :20:53.these Remploy workers. Last week came the announcement none of them

:20:53. > :20:58.wanted to hear that their factory was going to close with nearly 300

:20:58. > :21:01.jobs at risk. They took their plight to the Senedd after the

:21:01. > :21:06.Welsh government said they might consider stepping in to help out

:21:06. > :21:10.but after the UK Government refused to give the Welsh government the

:21:10. > :21:14.share of the money, that is now more difficult. I think they have

:21:14. > :21:20.started with the decision they wanted to close these factories,

:21:20. > :21:24.and to reduce the subsidy, and I don't think they understand what is

:21:24. > :21:27.going on in these factors. The UK Government says they will talk to

:21:27. > :21:32.anybody who wants to help out with the Remploy factories and to

:21:32. > :21:37.millions of pounds will be available. The big question now is,

:21:37. > :21:43.what next? The Welsh government told us today they are hopeful of

:21:43. > :21:47.finding more work for Remploy factories. Tomorrow, the council

:21:47. > :21:53.will be signing a contract in the 4th Remploy factory and other

:21:53. > :21:58.councils are looking to give support to Remploy factories in

:21:58. > :22:01.their areas and North Wales in Wrexham, that is the case. We have

:22:01. > :22:07.a number of opportunities within the Welsh public sector, the

:22:07. > :22:11.Assembly government has been able to award contracts as well. We have

:22:11. > :22:14.got to continue to do what we can to make sure there is a supply of

:22:14. > :22:19.work to these factories and I am pleased with the expressions of

:22:19. > :22:21.interest we have had, some from people in the private sector,

:22:21. > :22:27.others from major social enterprises like registered social

:22:27. > :22:32.landlords who believe there is a future for Remploy factories.

:22:32. > :22:40.Despite what has been done, does there need to be more of a push

:22:40. > :22:45.from the public sector in Wales to put business Remploy's way? There

:22:45. > :22:50.is more we can do. We can co- ordinate procurement on a national

:22:50. > :22:56.basis in Wales and reserve contracts for Remploy factories.

:22:56. > :23:00.However, it is easier if we know there is a continuing life for the

:23:00. > :23:04.Remploy factories to encourage businesses and public sector bodies

:23:04. > :23:09.to procure work from those factories. Of course, Remploy

:23:10. > :23:15.workers have seen this before in 2007. The Labour UK government

:23:15. > :23:22.closed many Remploy factories including the swan neck Cardiff.

:23:22. > :23:30.The experiences of those workers might hold a clue as to what is

:23:30. > :23:36.going to happen. Steve Watts was one of the luckier ones to lose his

:23:36. > :23:39.job. A line manager with Remploy, he found some work, but nothing

:23:39. > :23:44.permanent, so he took redundancy and has ploughed his money into a

:23:44. > :23:54.new company. Tomorrow, he will sign a lease on this new workshop.

:23:54. > :23:54.

:23:54. > :24:00.cannot wait to go. Hopefully, we will help people. We are hoping

:24:00. > :24:05.eventually we will be able to be on the scale of Remploy and be able to

:24:05. > :24:13.employ 90 people. Those things take their time. I am glad to help the

:24:13. > :24:18.people of Remploy. There are places that are going to be geared up to

:24:18. > :24:22.help them. His brother will work part-time at the new company. He

:24:22. > :24:27.will a pulsed and the cycle furniture. The game will be to

:24:28. > :24:33.employ as many former Remploy workers as possible. I will come in

:24:33. > :24:43.and help as much as I can. And if I don't feel well, a day, a couple of

:24:43. > :24:43.

:24:44. > :24:47.weeks, months, there will be no pressure. As long as you are OK,

:24:47. > :24:52.they can wait. Since Remploy finished, there has been nothing.

:24:52. > :24:58.Other than this enterprise, opportunities for former Remploy

:24:58. > :25:04.workers are few and far between. The climate at the moment is

:25:04. > :25:09.challenging. What we are finding is that the number of applications per

:25:09. > :25:13.vacancy has increased, you know, significantly over the last few

:25:13. > :25:17.years, which makes it even more challenging with somebody -- for

:25:17. > :25:23.somebody with a disability to axe the his employment. Zoe is at

:25:23. > :25:31.school and is looking for work. She is doing work experience here to

:25:31. > :25:38.beef up her CV. Why do you have a job? Because it gets me out of the

:25:38. > :25:43.house. She enjoys her job but those that are about to lose their jobs

:25:43. > :25:48.at PGG Tour say they prefer not to work in mainstream employment.

:25:48. > :25:52.and I would say the main thing. -- the same thing. It is about

:25:52. > :25:56.reintroducing somebody to a new environment and supporting them

:25:56. > :26:02.because what we wouldn't do is help them find the right job and leave

:26:02. > :26:07.them. We provide support so we can do intensive job culture to help

:26:07. > :26:11.them get used to the job. Whether or not mainstream jobs can be found

:26:11. > :26:15.for these Remploy workers, many would prefer to remain in their

:26:15. > :26:18.factories. Whether or not new contracts can make them viable

:26:18. > :26:25.remains to be seen. Vaughan Roderick is our Welsh

:26:25. > :26:31.Affairs Editor. Leanne Wood, the new leader for

:26:31. > :26:35.Plaid. How much of a break with the past is it? A major break. It

:26:35. > :26:40.demolishes a few myths about Plaid members. A lot of people said it

:26:40. > :26:45.would never elect a leader that was not fluent in Welsh. A lot of

:26:46. > :26:55.people said that grassroots members were fairly conservative. That

:26:56. > :26:56.

:26:56. > :27:00.doesn't seem to be the case. I think there are a lot of people in

:27:00. > :27:04.rural Wales that are left wing. It shatters a few myths about Plaid

:27:04. > :27:10.but it is a big change for an open left-wing candidate to be elected

:27:10. > :27:17.party leader. Looking at how the other parties will react, she can

:27:17. > :27:21.expect a lot more scrutiny as a leader. That's right. Although she

:27:21. > :27:25.has been at the Assembly affair while, she doesn't look that

:27:25. > :27:30.certain on her feet. The other parties will try to test it in the

:27:30. > :27:34.chamber. Now, it is very easy for the Conservatives and the Lib Dems

:27:34. > :27:38.because what they will do is paint her as a politician who is out of

:27:38. > :27:44.the mainstream, a politician that is on the far left. More difficult

:27:44. > :27:47.for Labour. They will have a new wins job because they will not want

:27:47. > :27:52.to be seen to be attacking Leanne Wood from the right. That would go

:27:52. > :27:57.down badly with their constituents. The other parties will put the heat

:27:57. > :28:02.on her within the next done few weeks. She will have a torrid time

:28:02. > :28:06.because they sense their weakness is their. They have seen a steady

:28:06. > :28:10.decline since the Assembly. What will she have to do in order to

:28:10. > :28:14.turn that around? Are what is interesting is the fact that she

:28:14. > :28:19.won the leadership so easily is what she is not that great in the

:28:19. > :28:25.chamber, she is very good at retell politics. She is good at face-to-

:28:25. > :28:29.face politics. She is good at meeting people. It may well be that

:28:29. > :28:34.the tactic for Plaid will be not to bother about what goes on in

:28:34. > :28:39.Cardiff Bay, but to get their leader out there campaigning. That