Part 2

:00:00. > :00:25.Edwards for continuing coverage of Bbc Election 2016.

:00:26. > :00:32.A very good morning. Welcome to the BBC Election Centre. We will be here

:00:33. > :00:36.throughout the day, bringing you up to date with what is happening

:00:37. > :00:43.around the country after yesterday's elections. In Scotland, for example,

:00:44. > :00:46.the SNP celebrates an historic third victory. They have two short of an

:00:47. > :00:51.overall majority in their seat number.

:00:52. > :00:54.An excellent night for the Scottish Conservatives in the Parliamentary

:00:55. > :00:57.elections, their leader, Ruth Davidson, won a seat in Edinburgh

:00:58. > :01:03.Central. The Scottish Labour Party was pushed into third place, a very

:01:04. > :01:07.poor result for Scottish Labour. A different story for Labour and

:01:08. > :01:12.Wales, they won 29 seats and will hold onto power. That is a very good

:01:13. > :01:17.result for Welsh Labour, better than many had predicted. It was also, by

:01:18. > :01:22.the way, in Wales, a very good night for Ukip, who have won 60 in the

:01:23. > :01:26.National Assembly for Wales. The Plaid Cymru leader Leanne Wood

:01:27. > :01:30.gained a notable win in the Rhondda from the Labour Party, but elsewhere

:01:31. > :01:34.Plaid failed to make gains. With two thirds of the English council

:01:35. > :01:38.results in, I think we are seeing that Labour have not said that the

:01:39. > :01:42.kind of losses that some in the party with the ring. The only answer

:01:43. > :01:45.that have slipped from their control is Dudley, they have held onto quite

:01:46. > :01:50.a few others like Southampton, Exeter and Redditch.

:01:51. > :01:53.They have started counting the votes in the London Assembly this morning

:01:54. > :01:56.for the marrow of London, in a few minutes the Prime Minister is

:01:57. > :02:04.expected to speak in the town where they have been making one game,

:02:05. > :02:07.Peterborough. -- they have started counting the votes in the London

:02:08. > :02:11.Assembly this morning for the Mayor of London.

:02:12. > :02:13.With that in mind, B Brilliant Jo Coburn, who will be with us

:02:14. > :02:19.throughout the day with her analysis. -- let me bring in Jo

:02:20. > :02:25.Coburn. We expect the Prime Minister to speak in Peterborough soon, just

:02:26. > :02:29.a thought on how the Conservatives have done? They will be very

:02:30. > :02:33.pleased, at this point in the electoral cycle you would expect the

:02:34. > :02:37.governing party on a historically, to have made significant losses. It

:02:38. > :02:41.is time when the opposition make significant gains, that has not

:02:42. > :02:46.happened for Labour. The Tories will be celebrating the results big-time

:02:47. > :02:51.because, historically, they have gone into second place ahead of

:02:52. > :02:55.Labour under their leader, Ruth Davidson. You will hear an awful lot

:02:56. > :02:59.from the Conservatives. For David Cameron, when you think he is

:03:00. > :03:03.leading a party at the moment that is deeply divided over Europe,

:03:04. > :03:09.ministers were taking chunks out of each other, six years of rule and

:03:10. > :03:12.austerity, you might have expected a very gloomy morning for the

:03:13. > :03:17.Conservatives, but they will be able to look to places like Peterborough,

:03:18. > :03:21.pointed to Scotland and say, actually, the people here have not

:03:22. > :03:25.turned against us and have not gone to Labour in big numbers. They will

:03:26. > :03:31.be playing up, particularly, the result in Scotland. Before we hear

:03:32. > :03:35.from the Prime Minister, let's join Emily Maitlis. Give us the broad

:03:36. > :03:39.picture of the local elections? Let me take you to the scoreboard.

:03:40. > :03:44.Labour have the bulk of the councillors, don't be surprised, 49%

:03:45. > :03:49.of those standing tonight or last night were Labour, down 25. The

:03:50. > :03:52.Conservatives have made eight games, the Lib Dems on 13, the independent

:03:53. > :03:58.are down nine, we have seen the gains from Ukip coming from a

:03:59. > :04:02.standing start, they did not stand in many places last time. A less

:04:03. > :04:07.good night for the Green Party and no change for the residents.

:04:08. > :04:15.Looking at the councils, very little has changed hands. Labour has lost

:04:16. > :04:20.one, the Conservatives have put one on, one has gone on to home

:04:21. > :04:25.territory. This is interesting, I will bring it to you in full form, a

:04:26. > :04:30.win for the Conservatives in Peterborough, a majority of two, but

:04:31. > :04:35.do not be too confused. There have been boundary changes, it was an

:04:36. > :04:39.all-out election, all the seat up for election and the boundary

:04:40. > :04:44.changes may well have helped propel the Conservatives into a winning

:04:45. > :04:49.position. They used to have it in 2012, it went home, they have taken

:04:50. > :04:53.it back. The story of the night if you look at what is happening in

:04:54. > :04:57.terms of the seats, a good night for the Lib Dems, they are up five. No

:04:58. > :05:03.moves to the Conservatives, Labour and the independent are down. In

:05:04. > :05:07.Kirklees, we were looking to see whether Labour could win an overall

:05:08. > :05:13.majority. On a good night, pushing forward as the opposition, they may

:05:14. > :05:17.have taken this. It is a hung council, are short by one, they are

:05:18. > :05:24.the biggest party. They needed one more to turn this thread. The story

:05:25. > :05:29.overnight in England has been how little change we have seen an

:05:30. > :05:34.individual seats. No movement for Labour, the Conservatives up one,

:05:35. > :05:37.the Green Party down one. That is the picture this morning,

:05:38. > :05:42.where the English local councils are concerned. There are more to come,

:05:43. > :05:46.some have not declared. I mentioned the fate of the parties in Scotland

:05:47. > :05:50.and Wales, let's join Jeremy to hear more about what is going on.

:05:51. > :05:55.We were talking 12 hours ago about the fact that the very impressive

:05:56. > :05:59.performance in the 2015 general election by the SNP suggested that

:06:00. > :06:04.they would build on their 2011 Parliamentary performance in

:06:05. > :06:08.Scotland, and wipe even more yellow across the map. It has not happened.

:06:09. > :06:13.A very interesting result in Scotland. To some extent the SNP has

:06:14. > :06:18.been held back, a bit frustrated, maybe, in their aim of getting an

:06:19. > :06:23.overall majority. This is the map now, a Liberal Democrat seat that

:06:24. > :06:26.was not their 24 hours ago, some Labour red that people might not

:06:27. > :06:32.have thought would be there. Let's flash the gains, you can see what is

:06:33. > :06:36.going on. In Dumfriesshire, that is the additional Conservative seat, it

:06:37. > :06:40.is creating a blue-collar around the bottom of Scotland. North East Fife,

:06:41. > :06:45.the Liberal Democrat gain here came out of the blue in the middle of the

:06:46. > :06:51.night. Not forgetting huge SNP gains in and around Glasgow. A game for

:06:52. > :06:56.the Conservatives who have had a very good night in the Scotland. I

:06:57. > :07:02.will zoom in, you can see the map. One thing we noticed was that in

:07:03. > :07:06.places where the Yes vote in the referendum in 2040 was very

:07:07. > :07:10.powerful, the SNP vote correlated. It sounds like it stands to reason,

:07:11. > :07:14.but it might be that in other parts of the country the Association of

:07:15. > :07:18.the SNP so directly with independence has hurt them. Not in

:07:19. > :07:24.Glasgow, this wave of yellow that you can see.

:07:25. > :07:28.This is the new Scottish Parliament, 2016, all the numbers are written.

:07:29. > :07:32.If you are in Scotland you had a vote direct leave for a

:07:33. > :07:37.representative elected locally in a seat, and a second vote that went to

:07:38. > :07:42.the regional list. Let's see it all put together. 65 needed for an

:07:43. > :07:47.overall majority, the SNP is just short with 63.

:07:48. > :07:51.In second place, this is a big part of the story in Scotland, the

:07:52. > :07:56.Conservatives are motoring past Labour. Let's look at the Labour

:07:57. > :08:00.numbers, 24. The Green Party are in fourth and the Lib Dems in fifth.

:08:01. > :08:06.One of the first things we found out was that these two areas of islands,

:08:07. > :08:09.Orkney and Shetland, remaining Lib Dem. With the exception of North

:08:10. > :08:12.East Fife it was not a good night for them.

:08:13. > :08:16.These are the shares in the constituency party. This is roughly

:08:17. > :08:22.what the SNP got five years ago, 47 or 48 ascent. As they were last

:08:23. > :08:27.time, remember last time it was regarded as a stunning result, it is

:08:28. > :08:29.just that they went even better in the general election so there was

:08:30. > :08:34.expectation a might do better than this in the last 24 hours.

:08:35. > :08:38.Labour pushed down in the constituency is just ahead of the

:08:39. > :08:42.Conservatives. But the way the system delivered the MSPs to the

:08:43. > :08:48.chamber it paid that the Conservatives slightly. Lib Dems on

:08:49. > :08:53.8% only in the constituencies. -- it favoured the Conservatives

:08:54. > :08:57.slightly. Labour down 9% in five years ago, the Conservatives up

:08:58. > :09:03.almost as much. Let's have a look at the share change in the list system,

:09:04. > :09:06.the second vote in Scotland, the SNP was not quite as high as in the

:09:07. > :09:13.constituencies. The Conservatives were very much more, a strong

:09:14. > :09:18.second-place overlay, 20 32 Labour's 19. The Greens, not really

:09:19. > :09:22.representative in the constituency so much, a good showing ahead of the

:09:23. > :09:35.Lib Dems, five for the Lib Dems and Ukip on 2%. And the changes what

:09:36. > :09:40.stands out. Conservative SNP 's -- SNP is steady as they go. The

:09:41. > :09:44.Conservatives packing in the votes when they did not expect it.

:09:45. > :09:50.Scotland gave us a lot of interest over the last 12 hours or so.

:09:51. > :09:54.I am just wondering if we can just remind people of what Jeremy Corbyn

:09:55. > :10:00.was saying a short while ago, if you are just joining us it will be

:10:01. > :10:04.something that you may have heard. If you're just joining us now, it is

:10:05. > :10:08.worth reminding you that Jeremy Corbyn says all across England we

:10:09. > :10:13.were getting predictions that Labour would lose councils, we didn't, we

:10:14. > :10:17.hung on and grew support in a lot of places. That was just a short while

:10:18. > :10:21.ago. And a note on the picture in the Welsh Assembly, where Labour did

:10:22. > :10:27.better than some people thought and it has ended up on a 28 or 29 seats,

:10:28. > :10:32.Carwyn Jones, the First Minister macro, saying he will talk to the

:10:33. > :10:35.Lib Dems and Plaid Cymru about a possible working arrangement. He

:10:36. > :10:40.can't work with the Conservatives or Ukip. By the way, if we look at some

:10:41. > :10:44.of the new members of the Welsh Assembly from Ukip, they include

:10:45. > :10:49.Neil Hamilton, the former Conservative minister, Mark

:10:50. > :10:55.Reckless, the former MP, former Conservative MP, and Nathan Gill, an

:10:56. > :11:00.MEP for Ukip at the moment, the leader of Ukip in Wales. They will

:11:01. > :11:03.be joined by others. They will not be talking to Labour about a

:11:04. > :11:10.possible working with Asian chip because Carwyn Jones has already

:11:11. > :11:12.said he will not be doing that. -- a possible working relationship,

:11:13. > :11:17.because Carwyn Jones has already said. Professor John Curtice has

:11:18. > :11:22.been with us overnight. I would suppose that I would start with

:11:23. > :11:25.local elections, and your take on how the Conservatives and Labour

:11:26. > :11:30.have done? I think the truth is that Labour

:11:31. > :11:35.will be the slightly happier party this morning than the Conservatives.

:11:36. > :11:43.It is all to do with expectations. We were told that the party could

:11:44. > :11:48.expect to lose at least some seats, 150 was bandied around, that is

:11:49. > :11:52.based on the fact that Labour was behind the Conservatives in the

:11:53. > :11:56.National opinion polls, that is what recent by-election performance are

:11:57. > :12:00.pointed to. In the end, I think the Labour Party will be able to say

:12:01. > :12:03.that, we more or less, in the end, hung onto most of what we were

:12:04. > :12:07.trying to defend. Even though many of you told is that what we were

:12:08. > :12:12.defending was a relatively good year, is it not a relatively good

:12:13. > :12:16.performance by us? There will be a germ of truth in that, although what

:12:17. > :12:19.we should also bear in mind is that once we look at the votes casting

:12:20. > :12:26.keyboards, although Labour has indeed gone up I read 3.5 or four

:12:27. > :12:34.points compared to last year, as it was they are about four points

:12:35. > :12:38.adrift of where they were four years ago in 2012. The Conservatives, in

:12:39. > :12:43.contrast, a few weeks ago we would have been expecting them to make a

:12:44. > :12:48.number of gains. When you look at their vote as compared with 2012, it

:12:49. > :12:51.has flat lined. The performance in 2012 was not regarded as very good

:12:52. > :12:56.and the party seems to have done articulate badly in what I call the

:12:57. > :13:00.classic Tory shire areas of the South of England. It may be a

:13:01. > :13:06.question that David Cameron will have to ask himself, has his

:13:07. > :13:10.position on remaining inside the EU and his decision to effectively

:13:11. > :13:14.split his party on the eve of these elections meant that, particularly

:13:15. > :13:20.in the Tory shires, he has cost his party some seats? A quick word about

:13:21. > :13:25.Peterborough, he is going there and clearly he will be very pleased

:13:26. > :13:31.about the results. I'll be adding any qualifications to that? Emily

:13:32. > :13:36.mentioned boundary changes. -- are we adding? I think it is the

:13:37. > :13:39.exception that proves the rule. Peterborough was no overall control.

:13:40. > :13:43.There have been boundary changes, as a result of which it was estimated

:13:44. > :13:46.that the Conservatives would have already been in control of

:13:47. > :13:52.Peterborough if those changes already in place, the Conservatives

:13:53. > :13:54.hang -- have hung on to the 31 seats that it was estimated they would

:13:55. > :14:00.already have been controlling under the new boundaries. Peterborough is

:14:01. > :14:03.one of those places where the local Government boundary commission has

:14:04. > :14:06.intervened and said there will be a whole council election a new

:14:07. > :14:10.boundaries, it makes the whole thing more difficult.

:14:11. > :14:17.Before we leave you, a quick word about any signs of what is going on

:14:18. > :14:21.in the London mayoral election? We have the people who are responsible

:14:22. > :14:25.for counting the London website, they are very nicely putting up a

:14:26. > :14:29.bar chart of the total votes for each of the candidates as the

:14:30. > :14:33.ballots are verified. They are being counted electronically in London.

:14:34. > :14:37.There are no numbers attached, but so far it is pretty clear that Sadiq

:14:38. > :14:42.Khan is ahead. Unless the ballots being counted so far are very

:14:43. > :14:51.atypical, it is probably a very good steer that, as opinion polls

:14:52. > :14:55.suggested, Mr Khan will be the next Mayor of London. If people are

:14:56. > :14:59.looking at that and think it is the guaranteed result, what would you

:15:00. > :15:03.say? It is a sample of the ballots being counted so far, there is no

:15:04. > :15:07.guarantee that it is representative but the truth is that the bar chart

:15:08. > :15:11.has looked like that for quite a this morning. Thank you. I have been

:15:12. > :15:17.joined by Lord Falconer, the former Labour minister.

:15:18. > :15:28.I have been joined by Lord Falconer. What are you make of Labour's

:15:29. > :15:34.performance? I think Scotland is an incredibly significant result. It is

:15:35. > :15:38.the continuing flowing out of what happened in the referendum. I think

:15:39. > :15:46.in Wales, I think we might have lost one seat net in the Welsh Assembly.

:15:47. > :15:51.And that I think is a good result after 17 years in power. In England

:15:52. > :15:58.and Wales, in England at least, it feels like a mixed picture in

:15:59. > :16:02.relation to the results. We have done well in some places, lost

:16:03. > :16:09.ground in other places. But you do not get the sense of the country, in

:16:10. > :16:12.the local elections, moving strongly in any particular direction. One

:16:13. > :16:16.feels, in what has been an incredibly turbulent political time

:16:17. > :16:23.for both political parties, one gets the sense, except maybe in Scotland,

:16:24. > :16:29.that people haven't made up their mind one way or the other about what

:16:30. > :16:35.is the direction politically. How much of a test has this been Jeremy

:16:36. > :16:39.Corbyn's leadership, bearing in mind this is eight months, first year of

:16:40. > :16:46.his term in office? Well, it is a test, he's the leader of the Labour

:16:47. > :16:52.Party. Has he passed it? Well, the results are very uncertain, I think,

:16:53. > :16:56.in the sense that no clear sense of direction is coming from the public.

:16:57. > :17:01.The public are I suspect looking at politics at the moment and things

:17:02. > :17:06.are very, very unusual in politics at the moment and they are wondering

:17:07. > :17:11.what to do. The impression I get is that maybe they are not leaving

:17:12. > :17:14.necessarily their traditional landscape, except in Scotland, where

:17:15. > :17:20.I think there is a significant change. Putting Scotland to one

:17:21. > :17:23.side, because to some extent that ship had sailed before Jeremy Corbyn

:17:24. > :17:27.became leader, although in a sense it has gone backwards since he

:17:28. > :17:31.became leader, because you have gone to third place. I think your right

:17:32. > :17:36.to point that out, it is a bad result. I think it has a great deal

:17:37. > :17:41.to do with the template for Scotland, in the constitutional

:17:42. > :17:47.issue, union or not, and in a way, the Tories... But the Conservatives

:17:48. > :17:56.clearly are unionist, not backing independence. That's exactly right.

:17:57. > :18:00.But in England, one of the MPs, Jo Cox, has said it was a weak,

:18:01. > :18:06.disappointing performance. She is not hostile to Jeremy Corbyn's

:18:07. > :18:11.leadership but if she is saying that, she was expecting big games,

:18:12. > :18:16.so why did big gains not happen? I don't think big gains were ever

:18:17. > :18:18.going happen. This is a period where there is immense uncertainty

:18:19. > :18:23.politically. I think there is everything to play for the Labour

:18:24. > :18:28.Party, because the Tories are in a real mess. Why didn't you do better?

:18:29. > :18:32.Because I think that the public, it is this period of political

:18:33. > :18:38.uncertainty and turmoil. The European Union referendum, where we

:18:39. > :18:44.are going to next as politicians, raises real uncertainties in

:18:45. > :18:47.people's minds. Liz Kendall and Michael Duggan, two Labour MPs, have

:18:48. > :18:52.said that Labour needed to win hundreds of seats to show that they

:18:53. > :18:57.had any chance of victory in 2020. I disagree with that proposition. I

:18:58. > :19:03.don't think we were ever going to when hundreds and hundreds of seats.

:19:04. > :19:05.That just isn't the way that politics has felt in the build-up to

:19:06. > :19:12.this election. Away politics has felt to me is, the public are

:19:13. > :19:18.watching and seeing how the politicians are acting, and reacting

:19:19. > :19:21.to what is a very turbulence time both economically in the world and

:19:22. > :19:25.in particular in the European Union referendum. John McDonnell was

:19:26. > :19:31.quoted this morning as saying to those who would like Mr Corbyn may

:19:32. > :19:34.be to move aside, to put up or shot up, if they are intending to

:19:35. > :19:40.challenge - do you think that is the right message? Yes, at the moment he

:19:41. > :19:44.won the leadership by a massive majority in September. The focus of

:19:45. > :19:49.the Labour Party has got to be upwards, not inwards. It has got to

:19:50. > :19:53.be focusing first of all on the European Union referendum. I think

:19:54. > :19:58.the public are utterly fed up with division within the Labour Party. In

:19:59. > :20:10.a way, I don't know if it was on your programme, but the vision of

:20:11. > :20:14.Ken Livingstone and John Mann having what appeared to be almost a

:20:15. > :20:20.punch-up. It was not edifying, was it? Not edifying at all. The idea of

:20:21. > :20:26.anti-Semitism needs to be dealt with. But I think the division

:20:27. > :20:29.within the party makes the public despair, as well as the party. So

:20:30. > :20:34.there would be no leadership challenge at this point? I don't

:20:35. > :20:37.think that is remotely the focus. I think it would be very, very wrong.

:20:38. > :20:42.We have now had the final piece of the jigsaw in terms of the Welsh

:20:43. > :20:48.Assembly, the final list selections have just been announced. I am going

:20:49. > :20:53.to go to Jeremy to give us a full picture on the National Assembly.

:20:54. > :20:57.Yes, I thought I was going to be giving you a forecast, but we have

:20:58. > :21:00.now been able to put together the final picture for the Welsh

:21:01. > :21:09.Assembly. I can show you that now. The Assembly chamber, this is the

:21:10. > :21:14.result... 29 seats for Labour, one down on the figure from five years

:21:15. > :21:18.ago. They have dropped right a lot of votes actually but maybe not been

:21:19. > :21:21.punished overly for it. In second place, have the Welsh nationalists,

:21:22. > :21:27.Plaid Cymru. Significant victory for Leanne Wood in that one particular

:21:28. > :21:32.constituency. And then the Conservatives, just one seat behind

:21:33. > :21:37.Plaid Cymru. And filling in the map for you, Ukip, in fourth place. This

:21:38. > :21:42.looks like another bad days for the Liberal Democrats who are down to

:21:43. > :21:49.one seat in the Welsh Assembly, and that seat is broken and Radnorshire.

:21:50. > :21:58.There is this one significant moment in terms of the constituency vote in

:21:59. > :22:01.Wales, with Leanne Wood is winning the Rhondda. Right in the middle of

:22:02. > :22:05.this sea of red in south Wales, which gives them a rather nice

:22:06. > :22:12.foothold, maybe something to build on in the period come. There it is,

:22:13. > :22:19.the map as it is now, flashing, the only change. And of course, the

:22:20. > :22:25.abiding impression given by this is how little has changed on the map.

:22:26. > :22:30.But changes in the share of the vote, as we shall now see. For

:22:31. > :22:35.Labour first of all, remember, in Wales, you have to votes, one for

:22:36. > :22:38.the constituencies, first-past-the-post, the second

:22:39. > :22:45.going to a regional list. And here we have Labour on 35%. The

:22:46. > :22:49.Conservatives and Plaid Cymru roughly tied on 21%. Those are the

:22:50. > :22:58.first-past-the-post part of the election. It does not suit Ukip at

:22:59. > :23:06.all. So this 12% for Ukip did not go very far. They did not get a single

:23:07. > :23:14.bit of purple on the map. The Green is slightly disfavoured. Moving onto

:23:15. > :23:20.the change in constituency share... Labour only dropped one seat but

:23:21. > :23:25.they were down 8%. They have quite a lot of headroom in that 2011 vote,

:23:26. > :23:32.quite a lot of votes they could lose before they started actually losing

:23:33. > :23:35.seats. This rather impressive score for Ukip, as I say, it did not

:23:36. > :23:41.really help them because it is first-past-the-post. Also, back in

:23:42. > :23:46.2011, they were not really at the races. There is that second vote in

:23:47. > :23:50.Wales, which goes to a regional list. The two votes work together

:23:51. > :23:56.and one almost offsets the other. The list votes compensate for seats

:23:57. > :24:02.not achieved in the constituency part of it. This is what helped Ukip

:24:03. > :24:16.get their seven seats. Labour still very much in the lead in Wales.

:24:17. > :24:23.So that was the list share in Wales. It shows Labour dominant. The map

:24:24. > :24:32.reinforces that. But they have dropped since 2011. They dropped in

:24:33. > :24:39.this part of the contest as well. Ukip, up 8%. So, the crucial thing

:24:40. > :24:44.here is that Ukip actually enter the Assembly for the first time, under

:24:45. > :24:51.the list system, which allows some element of proportional voting.

:24:52. > :24:54.Labour have been hit here but not so much as to cause the number of

:24:55. > :25:00.Assembly members they had to drop at all. They remain the biggest party,

:25:01. > :25:03.with 29. They will have to find somebody to govern with, but they

:25:04. > :25:07.are still set fair. Will it raise questions again, Jeremy, with this

:25:08. > :25:14.system that they have in Wales, people say, even if you have big

:25:15. > :25:18.movements in votes, actually, in seat results, often you do not see

:25:19. > :25:23.much of a change, and in this one, we see Labour's vote going down but

:25:24. > :25:30.seats more or less the same? It is a very peculiar system. Same in

:25:31. > :25:34.Scotland. The more seats you get, the fewer seats you then get from

:25:35. > :25:39.the regional list. So you get punished for winning constituencies.

:25:40. > :25:44.It acts as a cushion when a party falls, which is what it has done for

:25:45. > :25:49.Labour in Wales. It acts as a drag on a party which soars, as it has

:25:50. > :25:53.done for the SNP in Scotland. That is deliberate but you do sometimes

:25:54. > :25:56.get rather strange effects. You would think Labour would lose more

:25:57. > :26:03.seats, but they haven't. We can now go to Cardiff bay, and to the

:26:04. > :26:15.Senedd, to speak to Sian Lloyd. What are people saying this morning?

:26:16. > :26:19.Well, Assembly members are already being sworn in in the Senedd behind

:26:20. > :26:23.me. We are getting a sense of the dust settling, now that we have had

:26:24. > :26:26.all the results in. It was interesting to hear Lord Falconer

:26:27. > :26:31.talking to you earlier, saying that he thought it was a good result here

:26:32. > :26:35.in Wales. I don't know whether the Welsh Conservatives will be thinking

:26:36. > :26:43.that, because they have now fallen to third place behind Plaid Cymru,

:26:44. > :26:48.having 11 seats, Plaid Cymru with 12, and last time, the Conservatives

:26:49. > :26:52.had 14. They were riding the crest of a wave following general election

:26:53. > :26:55.results, and they have failed to capitalise on that to an extent.

:26:56. > :27:02.They have failed to win the seats but they were targeting. Welsh

:27:03. > :27:07.Liberal Democrats are in a very strange position. Kirsty Williams,

:27:08. > :27:13.the leader, she increased her majority in her constituency. It was

:27:14. > :27:15.a great personal result for her for cashiers now the only Liberal

:27:16. > :27:21.Democrat some remember hearing Wales. And we know that this Senedd

:27:22. > :27:24.is going to have a different feel now for its fifth term of the

:27:25. > :27:29.National Assembly for Wales, because there will be seven members of Ukip

:27:30. > :27:36.here, including Neil Hamilton and Mark Reckless, the former

:27:37. > :27:40.Conservative MPs. Ukip say this morning, we're going to bring a

:27:41. > :27:44.breath of fresh air to the National Assembly, it has been a bit too cosy

:27:45. > :27:49.here for too long. So we wait to see what impact they will bring. Labour

:27:50. > :28:00.remain the dominant party hearing Wales, with the 29th votes. Leanne

:28:01. > :28:07.Wood, the leader of Plaid Cymru, a great personal victory for her in

:28:08. > :28:10.that seat. I have spoken to members of the Labour Party this morning,

:28:11. > :28:13.and they are saying, it was a personal victory for Leanne Wood

:28:14. > :28:19.because of her fantastic profile that she has now, having been on the

:28:20. > :28:26.UK media as well as on the Welsh scene. But really they are only be

:28:27. > :28:29.licking their wounds over that. However, they do feel, Welsh Labour,

:28:30. > :28:34.that they have done better than they thought they were going to do a few

:28:35. > :28:38.weeks ago. Sian Lloyd, thank you very much, for now. We are still

:28:39. > :28:47.expecting the Prime Minister to arrive in Peterborough. Let's have a

:28:48. > :28:52.look. They are just gathering there, the Conservatives, to celebrate the

:28:53. > :28:55.gain in Peterborough. Although John Curtice was explaining earlier on

:28:56. > :29:00.that boundary changes had a very big part to play in what has happened in

:29:01. > :29:04.Peterborough. The Prime Minister turning up there because it is

:29:05. > :29:07.something they can point to as again overnight, in terms of gaining

:29:08. > :29:12.control of the council. We will come back to Peterborough in the second.

:29:13. > :29:16.Earlier, I was mentioning that there was talk about the future for

:29:17. > :29:21.Labour, and Lord Falconer is still with us. I mentioned that the Shadow

:29:22. > :29:26.Chancellor, John McDonnell, had been giving his response not just to the

:29:27. > :29:30.results, but also to the talk among some Labour MPs that they still

:29:31. > :29:34.wanted to express dissatisfaction with Jeremy Corbyn. This is what

:29:35. > :29:40.John McDonnell had to say... I have been talking to Labour Party members

:29:41. > :29:43.all over the country. They are saying, for goodness sake, get

:29:44. > :29:47.behind the leader of the Labour Party who was democratically

:29:48. > :29:50.elected. It is time to put up or shot up. I think most of Labour

:29:51. > :29:55.Party members are saying, you are damaging our campaign with this

:29:56. > :29:58.continuous cropping. I have never been in a situation where two days

:29:59. > :30:03.before a poll, a group of them are talking to the media about a

:30:04. > :30:08.leadership coup. And yet we still do well! Everybody can make a

:30:09. > :30:14.constructive and to cushioned, and that's what we expect them to do.

:30:15. > :30:21.And this is what Boris Johnson had to say, the outgoing Mayor of

:30:22. > :30:26.London. He says, Labour have had a absolutely punishing night. He says,

:30:27. > :30:34.they are behind in Scotland. He says, they have lost the Rhondda,

:30:35. > :30:38.for heaven's sake! He says, there is a crisis going on in the Labour

:30:39. > :30:44.Party, as far as I can tell. OK, we know where Boris is coming from.

:30:45. > :30:51.He's a Tory! He is a Tory, and thanks for pointing that out!

:30:52. > :30:58.John McDonnell really wanting to make a forceful point there that he

:30:59. > :31:05.clearly feels the night's events more than justify telling people -

:31:06. > :31:09.purr off, we don't want -- push off, we don't want any more carping. Is

:31:10. > :31:15.that going to find a home in the Labour Party? My feeling about where

:31:16. > :31:21.the wider Labour membership is, is that they don't want carping about

:31:22. > :31:27.the leadership. They want the Parliamentary leadership to focus on

:31:28. > :31:31.talking to the population and they don't like this constant focus all

:31:32. > :31:38.the time on rows within the Labour Party. Let's go to Peterborough. The

:31:39. > :31:40.Prime Minister is just arriving. Hi there, how are we doing?

:31:41. > :31:46.CHEERING It is absolutely great to be here,

:31:47. > :31:47.not just in Conservative-led Peterborough, but

:31:48. > :31:52.Conservative-controlled Peterborough. Congratulations on

:31:53. > :31:56.your stunning result. It is remarkable that six years into

:31:57. > :32:01.Government, six years into running our country we have got more

:32:02. > :32:06.councillors than any other political party. Local election day for

:32:07. > :32:10.sitting Prime Minister ises meant to be a day of dread. It's meant to be

:32:11. > :32:13.a day when you're waiting for someone to knock on the door, like a

:32:14. > :32:18.condemned man waiting for the hangman. That wasn't what it was

:32:19. > :32:22.like last night or today. We have held councils across the country.

:32:23. > :32:27.We've won seats in England and of course, here in Peterborough, we've

:32:28. > :32:32.taken control of a really important City Council for the first time in

:32:33. > :32:35.ages a huge congratulations to the team, to Stuart Jackson, to everyone

:32:36. > :32:43.who's worked so hard. Thank you for what you've done. Brilliant.

:32:44. > :32:47.CHEERING I think it's worth reflecting on why, after six years

:32:48. > :32:52.in power, we're actually strengthening our position in local

:32:53. > :32:57.Government. It tells us three things: First of all, it tells us

:32:58. > :33:00.that we have amazing, hard-working councillors, hard-working council

:33:01. > :33:05.leaders, hard-working campaigners, people who do a brilliant job

:33:06. > :33:08.standing up for local people, standing up for local communities. I

:33:09. > :33:11.pay tribute to all those Conservatives who've worked so hard

:33:12. > :33:15.to deliver local services, to keep local taxes down and do a great job.

:33:16. > :33:19.I think it tells us something else, which it tells us that six years

:33:20. > :33:23.into Government, of course, we don't get everything right. Of course we

:33:24. > :33:27.can make mistakes. Of course, sometimes, things go wrong. But

:33:28. > :33:32.people look at the big picture and they want us to go on delivering

:33:33. > :33:35.what we promised in our manifesto, that security for working people at

:33:36. > :33:39.every stage of their lives. They want us to go on creating those

:33:40. > :33:43.well-paid jobs. They want us to go on cutting people's taxes. They want

:33:44. > :33:46.us to go on building homes that people can afford to own and having

:33:47. > :33:50.great schools for their children to go to. That is what we've got to

:33:51. > :33:53.focus on. That is what these elections have really been all

:33:54. > :33:58.about. I think these elections tell us something else as well. That is

:33:59. > :34:02.that the Labour Party have completely lost touch with the

:34:03. > :34:07.hard-working people they're supposed to represent. They're so obsessed

:34:08. > :34:11.with their left-wing causes and unworkable economic policies that

:34:12. > :34:15.they've forgot that people want jobs, people want livelihoods, lower

:34:16. > :34:19.taxes, people want homes they can afford to own, the things that we're

:34:20. > :34:26.now delivering. What these elections show is that where we are a united,

:34:27. > :34:29.mainstream, one nation, compassionate Conservative Party we

:34:30. > :34:33.can win, we can serve our country and communities and we can deliver

:34:34. > :34:37.the things we believe in. Nowhere is that more the case than with those

:34:38. > :34:43.remarkable results north of the border in Scotland. Let us pay huge

:34:44. > :34:47.tribute to Ruth Davidson for the extraordinary campaign that she's

:34:48. > :34:51.won with those absolutely stunning results that see the Conservative

:34:52. > :34:53.Party, for the first time in a very long time, to be the official

:34:54. > :35:01.Opposition in the Scottish Parliament. It was a great result

:35:02. > :35:05.and she deserves huge credit. APPLAUSE

:35:06. > :35:08.Frankly, It's something of a re-alignment in Scottish politics.

:35:09. > :35:12.If someone said to me six years ago, when I became Prime Minister, if

:35:13. > :35:15.someone had said, "Prime Minister, pretty soon the Conservatives will

:35:16. > :35:19.be the second biggest party in Scotland...

:35:20. > :35:23.LAUGHTER... I would have told them to go away, lie down, stop taking

:35:24. > :35:27.what they were taking, come back and tell me what they really thought.

:35:28. > :35:29.That is what has happened. That's so extraordinary for our party and a

:35:30. > :35:35.great opportunity for our country that we see in Scotland now, the

:35:36. > :35:38.Conservative Party as a one nation, mainstream, united party, with an

:35:39. > :35:42.inspirational leader that is able to say to people in Scotland - if you

:35:43. > :35:47.want an alternative to the independence and the separation

:35:48. > :35:51.offered by the Scottish National Party, the Conservative Party and

:35:52. > :35:53.Ruth Davidson, we are there for you to represent you in the Scottish

:35:54. > :35:57.Parliament and to win in Scotland, win for Scotland and go on at the

:35:58. > :36:00.next election and keep winning in Scotland and keep winning for our

:36:01. > :36:06.United Kingdom. It's a great day for our party to see us recovering like

:36:07. > :36:09.this in Scotland. I think it could be a re-alignment taking place north

:36:10. > :36:13.of the border, which is all to those, to the good of those of us

:36:14. > :36:16.who want to see a strong and successful United Kingdom.

:36:17. > :36:21.Now I was in Peterborough just a week or so ago, talking about

:36:22. > :36:25.another issue and I said if you won, I might just come back and say well

:36:26. > :36:32.done. That's what I've done. It's down to your hard work as

:36:33. > :36:36.Councillors, campaigners, a huge thank you for what you've done. We

:36:37. > :36:42.do have in 48 days' time another big decision, we all have to make. I say

:36:43. > :36:45.nothing about it today, apart from this, never forget why we're having

:36:46. > :36:47.this referendum, because it was promised by a Conservative

:36:48. > :36:52.Government and it's being delivered by a Conservative Government.

:36:53. > :36:56.Let me just finish by saying this: In 48 days, whatever the result,

:36:57. > :37:02.let's be absolutely clear that our job as Conservatives will be to come

:37:03. > :37:05.together and to work even harder to deliver the things that we promised

:37:06. > :37:09.and we committed to the British people in our manifesto, to keep

:37:10. > :37:13.creating those jobs, building those homes, providing those good schools,

:37:14. > :37:18.cutting those taxes, providing dignity and security in old age,

:37:19. > :37:21.strengthening our defences, keeping our country safe, fighting terrorism

:37:22. > :37:25.- all those things we promised - those are the things that we will

:37:26. > :37:28.come together and unite over and work even harder than ever before,

:37:29. > :37:32.because when we were put into Government, we were given a sacred

:37:33. > :37:36.trust by the British people to work as hard as we can to deliver for

:37:37. > :37:40.them this year and all the years, out to 2020 and, I hope, beyond.

:37:41. > :37:43.Above all today, the people in Peterborough, who've worked so hard

:37:44. > :37:47.and done so well representing the people of this great city, that are

:37:48. > :37:50.seeing jobs being created, seeing businesses come to Peterborough,

:37:51. > :37:54.seeing great regeneration happening, homes being built in Peterborough,

:37:55. > :37:59.you won because you worked hard and you deserved to win. Have a

:38:00. > :38:03.celebration USA Today. Have a sell -- have a celebration today and over

:38:04. > :38:07.the weekend. I have a small majority and John's got a small majority,

:38:08. > :38:10.with the dedication you've all shown you will do great things for this

:38:11. > :38:12.great city. Thank you very much indeed.

:38:13. > :38:15.REPORTER: Prime Minister, you say Labour is out of touch, how

:38:16. > :38:19.disappointed that you didn't make greater gains?

:38:20. > :38:23.STUDIO: No answer from the Prime Minister there in terms of the scale

:38:24. > :38:26.of the gains, but a very rousing speech for the Conservative

:38:27. > :38:30.supporters there in Peterborough. We'll discuss this in a moment. I'm

:38:31. > :38:33.pleased to say we're joined by Greg Clarke the Communities Secretary.

:38:34. > :38:37.Thanks for joining us No problem. Good to have you with us. We come to

:38:38. > :38:39.you in a second. A few more council results that Emily can share with

:38:40. > :38:42.us. Just to remind you David Cameron

:38:43. > :38:46.paying tribute to the workers there in Peterborough. Peterborough was an

:38:47. > :38:50.all-out collection. Under those boundary changes they favoured a

:38:51. > :38:54.Conservative win. There would have been a Conservative-led council even

:38:55. > :38:57.before the election. Just put that into context. It's still a nice

:38:58. > :39:00.result for the Conservatives, but just be cautious about seeing that,

:39:01. > :39:04.necessarily, as a big leap forward. Going to take you to some of the

:39:05. > :39:08.others that we've been looking at. This is the problem when there's

:39:09. > :39:12.little movement of seats you can plant a narrative on whatever story

:39:13. > :39:16.you want. So, in other words, Calderdale, a hung Council here.

:39:17. > :39:20.It's been hung for 16 years. Labour might have hoped on a good night to

:39:21. > :39:23.take this. They haven't. They're the largest party, though. Not slipping

:39:24. > :39:28.back, not making gains. Very little movement. Here's an interesting

:39:29. > :39:32.pattern that might give you a sense of what's happening generally

:39:33. > :39:36.overnight - if I take you back to 2012, what you see is the Labour

:39:37. > :39:43.Party share of the vote slipping down and Ukip making those gains.

:39:44. > :39:46.2012, the high water mark for Ed Miliband as Labour's leader, over

:39:47. > :39:51.that course, the last time these seats were fought not very good for

:39:52. > :39:54.Labour. Now going back just one year, to see how the party is

:39:55. > :40:00.looking under Jeremy Corbyn and how the Lib Dems are faring under Tim

:40:01. > :40:03.Farron, it's a different picture. Labour starting to make gains. The

:40:04. > :40:06.Conservatives have taken the hit here down 8% and the Lib Dems coming

:40:07. > :40:11.through, they'll be relieved, there is not a lot of movement for Lib Dem

:40:12. > :40:14.seats, odd ones here and there, up one, down one. If you look at the

:40:15. > :40:19.share of the vote, there is a suggestion that they are starting to

:40:20. > :40:23.come back from, let's be honest, rock bottom. In Milton Keynes, the

:40:24. > :40:28.same sort of thing here. One seat change was for the Lib Dems. The two

:40:29. > :40:32.parties pretty much neck and neck. Labour short by seven to take it.

:40:33. > :40:37.And the story of the Lib Dems, I think can you see here. This is

:40:38. > :40:41.south Cambridgeshire. This has happened overnight. The Lib Dems are

:40:42. > :40:46.taking seats here. A little bit from the Conservatives, a bit from the

:40:47. > :40:51.two independents, coming back in a part of the world where they could

:40:52. > :40:54.even start to see a council being gained, maybe Watford, if it's going

:40:55. > :41:00.well for them tonight. Well in Hatfield. This is their good night

:41:01. > :41:05.here. Conservative held, 28. Never any question really that would stay

:41:06. > :41:08.Conservative. Look, the Conservative seats are dipping, down four. Lib

:41:09. > :41:14.Dems making those gains. Even Labour up here. What can I say, it is a

:41:15. > :41:18.mixed bag of results, Lib Dems starting to see themselves coming

:41:19. > :41:22.back and the Labour narrative written, depending on whether you go

:41:23. > :41:27.back to 2012, the last time the seats were fought, or 2015 to look

:41:28. > :41:33.for signs under the new leadership. We'll speak to the Lib Dems in a

:41:34. > :41:36.second. First, your broad reading of what's happening to your party

:41:37. > :41:40.overnight in the local elections? It's been a very good result. You

:41:41. > :41:45.talked a lot about Scotland, that is a phenomenal win for Ruth Davidson

:41:46. > :41:50.there. If you look across the country, the expectation of any

:41:51. > :41:55.sitting Government is that you lose seats mid-term to the Opposition.

:41:56. > :41:59.But the fact that we are holding our own in places right across the

:42:00. > :42:06.country, we won Peterborough, as you saw with the Prime Minister there.

:42:07. > :42:09.We held onto Trafford, this key northern marginal, big target for

:42:10. > :42:14.Labour there. We held onto it comfortably. Talking about years

:42:15. > :42:19.that you might go back to, actually 1985 is an important year, because

:42:20. > :42:24.that is the last time, the last year in which an Opposition did not

:42:25. > :42:35.increase its number of seats at a council election. Over 30 years.

:42:36. > :42:40.Just going to bring in the Lib Dem MP, Tom Break. Just a thought on the

:42:41. > :42:44.Lib Dem performance. Let's leave Scotland and Wales for a second.

:42:45. > :42:48.Focus on the English local elections, what is your reading of

:42:49. > :42:52.that? There are good signs there for us. In the last seven years, we've

:42:53. > :42:55.been losing seats. It looks as though we are going to be winning

:42:56. > :42:59.seats. What we've seen in the areas where we are very organised and very

:43:00. > :43:04.active, like Portsmouth or Cambridge, that we are gaining. I

:43:05. > :43:07.think although we're not going to be cracking open any bottles, I think

:43:08. > :43:17.this is a good sign for the party and a good sign for Tim Farron. If

:43:18. > :43:20.somebody is writing this up as a process of rebuilding, what would

:43:21. > :43:26.you say? There's a process of rebuilding. What we've tried to do

:43:27. > :43:30.in the last 12 months is rebuild our identity, which I think got lost in

:43:31. > :43:34.the coalition. Tim has done a good job on starting that process. At the

:43:35. > :43:39.moment, we're looking at around 14 gains for you. What were your honest

:43:40. > :43:45.expectations going into last night? Well, my honest expectations were

:43:46. > :43:48.that any gains would be good news. We've exceeded that slightly. But

:43:49. > :43:53.there's clearly still a lot more to do, the fact that we've increased

:43:54. > :43:56.our level of support on last year by 6% is significant. Although, of

:43:57. > :44:02.course, the results last year were challenging for us. I think the

:44:03. > :44:06.party, as a whole, will feel that we fought a good battle yesterday and

:44:07. > :44:10.it has paid off and I think we're positive about our future now. A

:44:11. > :44:16.less encouraging picture for you in the Welsh Assembly? Yes, clearly in

:44:17. > :44:21.the Welsh Assembly, with the rise of Ukip, that did do us damage. In

:44:22. > :44:25.terms of council seats, we far outstrip Ukip in terms of the

:44:26. > :44:32.performance. The results in Scotland were good for us. Pleasing that

:44:33. > :44:39.Willie Rennie took north-east Fife back. Good of you to join us, thanks

:44:40. > :44:41.very much. Just picking up on the conversation from earlier, thoughts

:44:42. > :44:47.about the Conservative performance overnight? I wanted to ask Greg

:44:48. > :44:50.about the fact that really there's little evidence of enthusiasm for

:44:51. > :44:54.the Conservatives, if you look at the predictions, they were that the

:44:55. > :45:00.Labour Party were going to lose anything between 100 and 200 eats.

:45:01. > :45:04.You didn't pick any of -- seats. You didn't pick any of those up. In

:45:05. > :45:08.terms of the predictions you need to look at what what has to Opposition

:45:09. > :45:11.parties, especially when they change the leader. They expect to make -

:45:12. > :45:15.Let's look at the governing party. You didn't do as well as was

:45:16. > :45:20.predicted, which is why it's been a fairly boring result.

:45:21. > :45:27.I don't accept that. You have seen the Prime Minister in Peterborough,

:45:28. > :45:35.if you look at places up and down the country, Nuneaton, we may not

:45:36. > :45:40.have taken it, but we have an 11% swing, I mentioned Trafford. On

:45:41. > :45:44.Portsmouth, what Tom Brake had to say about the Liberal Democrats, Tim

:45:45. > :45:49.Farron going in said winning Portsmouth was the test of a Liberal

:45:50. > :45:58.Democrat resurgence, they did not do that. The Labour leader in

:45:59. > :46:05.Portsmouth said the national leadership is a disaster. For 30

:46:06. > :46:09.years, 31 years, every opposition has taken seats from the governing

:46:10. > :46:14.party. This was from a high watermark for Labour in 2012, they

:46:15. > :46:23.had a very good performance and Ed Miliband in 2012. If the limit of

:46:24. > :46:28.the ambition of the Labour Party is what Ed Miliband achieved four years

:46:29. > :46:33.ago and went on to a defeat at the general election, that is

:46:34. > :46:37.interesting. That is a fair point. I understand Greg to say that we lost

:46:38. > :46:43.ground, we were not as unpopular as governments previously have been.

:46:44. > :46:50.That is his defence. As Emily showed... It is unprecedented for

:46:51. > :46:57.Government... You are less unpopular than other governments? My

:46:58. > :46:58.observation is that up and down the country the people have chosen

:46:59. > :47:08.Conservative councillors to continue, to back them. When they

:47:09. > :47:11.looked at the alternative, the Labour Party, they decided, for the

:47:12. > :47:21.working people of this country, this was not a party that was going to

:47:22. > :47:23.help them. They have... What happened in Crawley, Southampton,

:47:24. > :47:28.Norwich and Hastings? These councils Labour has retained. There is

:47:29. > :47:36.evidence beginning to suggest your vote was down in southern England.

:47:37. > :47:40.Your heartland. Would you accept that it has come to a thing when the

:47:41. > :47:46.EU referendum, which has been cited, has been divided your party and

:47:47. > :47:52.putting off voters? The fact we can even have a conversation about

:47:53. > :47:59.Conservative councils and gains that might or might not be made, this is

:48:00. > :48:03.unprecedented that a Government in power should be defending so well

:48:04. > :48:11.the places that we have that we can be talking about making gains. In

:48:12. > :48:16.terms of the referendum, a year ago we were sitting here and the results

:48:17. > :48:19.were coming through and the referendum on Europe was promised.

:48:20. > :48:26.In the election campaign, people were sceptical, but I am proud,

:48:27. > :48:29.whatever you think on the question of Europe, we have delivered the

:48:30. > :48:34.manifesto promise. Even though it has divided your party? There is a

:48:35. > :48:40.debate in all parties, there should be a vigorous debate about something

:48:41. > :48:43.so important, but there is unity of pride in the fact it took a majority

:48:44. > :48:48.Conservative Government to deliver the manifesto. Without it, we would

:48:49. > :48:55.not have it. We will come back to the referendum. That will fill a lot

:48:56. > :48:58.of time! We have discussed Labour's performance in local elections and a

:48:59. > :49:02.bit about their performance in Wales. Let's look at their

:49:03. > :49:08.performance in Scotland. We were talking about, should we go

:49:09. > :49:14.back to 2015 or 2012? What about 1929? Join us in our virtual Central

:49:15. > :49:18.Lobby and let's look at the history of the Labour Party in Scotland.

:49:19. > :49:25.Their close links with the Scottish nation. 20 years after the birth of

:49:26. > :49:30.Labour, this is the vote in a general election in Scotland.

:49:31. > :49:36.For the Labour Party. You can see how quickly they connected with

:49:37. > :49:42.Scotland. Clement Attlee just after the war, will he get to half the

:49:43. > :49:49.votes in Scotland? By the time of Wilson, they do. This is a really

:49:50. > :49:54.impressive, powerful progression for the Labour Party, connecting with

:49:55. > :50:00.the people of Scotland. It then takes a turn for the worse, the 70s,

:50:01. > :50:07.80s, modern politics does not quite help them with their connection.

:50:08. > :50:11.Michael foot is the Labour leader, he was a struggling opposition

:50:12. > :50:19.leader. Still pretty good figures compare to today. It is not over by

:50:20. > :50:24.any means between the party and the nation. When Tony Blair comes in in

:50:25. > :50:32.1997, they are not quite with half the vote, but very impressive. In

:50:33. > :50:35.the years that followed, they posted these very high votes, lots of MPs

:50:36. > :50:43.coming to Westminster with the red rosette. Then Gordon Brown comes in.

:50:44. > :50:48.He was outperforming his party in Scotland, maybe partly because of

:50:49. > :50:54.his constituency, Kirkcaldy. He may have been disguising some of the

:50:55. > :51:00.disaffection we are now seeing. Still, 42% in 2010 in the general

:51:01. > :51:07.election. By 2015, they have been not quite half, but slashed. What

:51:08. > :51:13.has happened in between? The Scottish referendum on independence.

:51:14. > :51:18.Although the SNP lost it, somehow the bounce that came out of it for

:51:19. > :51:22.those parties, or the SNP, who wanted independence was impressive,

:51:23. > :51:30.and it took the wind out of the Labour Party. Here we are, 2016, and

:51:31. > :51:32.they have 23%. The others are general elections, this figure for

:51:33. > :51:38.Jeremy Corbyn is the constituency vote in the Scottish parliament

:51:39. > :51:43.elections. Put it in context, there we are, 80 years of history.

:51:44. > :51:56.I will go straight to Holyrood and talk to the SNP MSP for Renfrewshire

:51:57. > :52:00.North. Just a thought about the SNP performance, clearly Nicola Sturgeon

:52:01. > :52:04.has her own personal mandate. If the fact that there is no majority going

:52:05. > :52:11.to cause you a problem? There is no doubt this is a big victory for the

:52:12. > :52:16.SNP, 63 seats. In 2007 when we first came into Government as a minority,

:52:17. > :52:23.we had 47 seats, so we have shown the SNP continues to grow. It is a

:52:24. > :52:26.strong block. We have won this election in Scotland, it is an

:52:27. > :52:31.historic victory, the third time in a row we have won the Scottish

:52:32. > :52:34.Parliament elections. With more votes than the constituency vote

:52:35. > :52:39.than ever before. In Parliament, it is quite a commanding group that we

:52:40. > :52:44.will have. We will reach out to the other parties, as we have always

:52:45. > :52:50.done, to try to get good governance. Learned in a consensual style. I am

:52:51. > :52:54.sure Nicola Sturgeon has secured the personal mandate that she looked

:52:55. > :53:00.for, and the SNP has had this spectacular result. I am not denying

:53:01. > :53:03.the skill of the victory, but in the week leading up to it people were

:53:04. > :53:08.talking about the SNP taking every constituency seat, and very

:53:09. > :53:14.confidently about you getting a majority. What would account for the

:53:15. > :53:17.fact you did not get to that point? Most political parties around the

:53:18. > :53:24.world would be celebrating such a six is, as we have seen in Scotland.

:53:25. > :53:27.Expectations were high. This is our third successive victory in the

:53:28. > :53:33.Scottish Parliament elections. When we first entered office we had 47

:53:34. > :53:39.seats, and we ran a minority Government, now we are elected with

:53:40. > :53:42.63. Our best ever result in the constituencies, more constituencies

:53:43. > :53:45.than before, more votes, and more votes than late and the

:53:46. > :53:50.Conservatives combined. When it comes to working in the Scottish

:53:51. > :53:56.Parliament, we have had a vote of governors for the people of Scotland

:53:57. > :54:01.-- a vote of confidence from the people of Scotland, we will get to

:54:02. > :54:04.do to grow, record membership, and a vote of confidence in the First

:54:05. > :54:08.Minister, the only credible candidate, who secured the personal

:54:09. > :54:13.mandate. That will be recognised by the other political parties in

:54:14. > :54:19.Scotland. A spectacular result, and a catastrophe for the Labour Party.

:54:20. > :54:22.I was just about to ask. What does it mean for you that your main

:54:23. > :54:28.opposition now in Scotland will be the Conservatives? Given that with

:54:29. > :54:32.Davidson fought a clear campaign in terms of the union and the

:54:33. > :54:38.opposition to any notion of a second referendum, how will that pan out?

:54:39. > :54:42.As it happens, there are more pro-independent parliamentarians in

:54:43. > :54:49.the Scottish Parliament than those against independence. There would

:54:50. > :54:52.only be a referendum if the people of Scotland want one. What we have

:54:53. > :54:58.secured is a mandate to transform our public services and deliver good

:54:59. > :55:03.governance and the manifesto we set out. We have set out the

:55:04. > :55:07.circumstances in which we think there could be a further referendum,

:55:08. > :55:12.but it will only happen if the people of Scotland want one. In

:55:13. > :55:19.terms of the opposition, Labour has had a terrible result. In terms of

:55:20. > :55:23.the Tories, they did not win, but they have come second, so that will

:55:24. > :55:28.transform the nature of debates in the Scottish parliament. We will

:55:29. > :55:33.continue to put forward a positive vision and a manifesto delivery, a

:55:34. > :55:38.programme for Government, and Nicola Sturgeon as First Minister. We said

:55:39. > :55:42.-- we expect the Conservatives to be a constructive opposition, not a

:55:43. > :55:52.shouting one that we have seen in the past. He was drawing attention

:55:53. > :55:55.to the fact that Labour have had their problems in Scotland

:55:56. > :56:04.overnight. A different story for the Labour Party in Wales. Let's go to

:56:05. > :56:08.Cardiff Bay. I just wonder what you make of the results overnight in

:56:09. > :56:16.Wales, give us your reading. They were excellent for us. For us to be

:56:17. > :56:20.in power, possibly governing on our own, with 29 seats, most

:56:21. > :56:25.commentators were anticipating is losing significant numbers of seats

:56:26. > :56:28.in Wales, especially after the Conservatives did well at the last

:56:29. > :56:34.general election. The Tories failed to make any of those key seats they

:56:35. > :56:38.were targeting. We failed by the narrowest of squeaks from having 30

:56:39. > :56:43.seats this morning, as we had yesterday. Awful for us to lose

:56:44. > :56:46.Leighton Andrews in the Rhondda are a great Labour seat that is now a

:56:47. > :56:52.Plaid Cymru seat, but we can be pleased. Your constituency vote is

:56:53. > :56:59.down 8%, your regional vote is down 5%. Some people will look at the

:57:00. > :57:02.seat result and think, how can the system deliver the same number of

:57:03. > :57:07.seats for a party when their vote is down quite considerably in the

:57:08. > :57:13.constituencies? That is the first past the post system. It throws up

:57:14. > :57:18.those questions at every election. We also have PR, so that compensates

:57:19. > :57:24.some of those other parties, by boosting their numbers. We only get

:57:25. > :57:27.a couple of seats on the list, others will get a significant

:57:28. > :57:33.number. That is why we have seen Ukip, unfortunately. The truth is,

:57:34. > :57:37.nobody can see anything other than this was a good night for Carwyn

:57:38. > :57:41.Jones and Jeremy Corbyn and for Welsh Labour. We fought a positive

:57:42. > :57:45.campaign on the record of the Labour Party in Wales, we have been in

:57:46. > :57:49.power for a long time in Wales, and the Welsh people have endorsed the

:57:50. > :57:52.programme that we have put in place over the last few years and that we

:57:53. > :58:01.put forward in the election. We can be pleased, with London looking

:58:02. > :58:04.good, council victories in Cambridge and Norwich and Sunderland, real

:58:05. > :58:08.gains that we have made in some of those seats, hanging onto Exeter and

:58:09. > :58:13.some of those councils in the south-east that people thought we

:58:14. > :58:17.would lose. It was not a good night for the Conservatives. There is lots

:58:18. > :58:20.for us to build on. We have to be united and build on this across

:58:21. > :58:28.Britain. You mentioned the loss of the Rhondda. Our Plaid Cymru the

:58:29. > :58:31.natural working party for collaboration with Labour going

:58:32. > :58:37.ahead, or do you think Carwyn Jones will simply try to govern by

:58:38. > :58:41.himself? That is a question for him and his ministers in the assembly. I

:58:42. > :58:46.will not tell them what they should do, but I think they have enough to

:58:47. > :58:51.govern on day own if they wish. They do not need to forge an alliance.

:58:52. > :58:55.The key question is, Labour put forward a strong manifesto we talked

:58:56. > :59:00.about, the things that people in Wales care about, Carwyn Jones

:59:01. > :59:04.played a national role in fighting for the steel jobs, and the Welsh

:59:05. > :59:09.people saw Labour standing up for working class people, working

:59:10. > :59:13.communities, our values and speaking their values. That is why we have

:59:14. > :59:18.been so successful. There are lessons right across the country. Do

:59:19. > :59:23.you think Labour was held in Wales by Carwyn Jones' request for Jeremy

:59:24. > :59:30.Corbyn not to campaign in the final week's that is not true -- the final

:59:31. > :59:35.week? It is not true, Jeremy decided not to come to Wales. He came to

:59:36. > :59:40.Wales on the last day, he was in Maesteg on Wednesday. He has been

:59:41. > :59:44.Wales a knot over the last few months, just as he has travelled

:59:45. > :59:49.across the whole of the UK. He has seen that in Wales, if you have a

:59:50. > :59:52.united party fighting shoulder to shoulder across the political

:59:53. > :59:58.spectrum within parties, you can continue to make great inroads and

:59:59. > :00:02.win Labour victories. We can learn more from Wales in the future and

:00:03. > :00:05.Labour needs to use this as a springboard to try and move towards

:00:06. > :00:18.a victory in 2020. That is Labour's Owen Smith, the MP

:00:19. > :00:23.for pont preening and the -- Pontyprith. We will get a round up

:00:24. > :00:29.of everything that's been happening so far with Jane.

:00:30. > :00:32.Yes, good afternoon. These are today's main stories: The Scottish

:00:33. > :00:36.National Party is celebrating after winning a third victory in the

:00:37. > :00:40.Holyrood election. The party failed to get an overall majority, but

:00:41. > :00:45.Scotland's First Minister has called the result a huge vote of

:00:46. > :00:49.confidence. The Conservatives exceeded expectations in Scotland,

:00:50. > :00:53.pushing Labour, a former powerhouse there, into third place. In the

:00:54. > :00:56.local elections in England, Labour has retained control of councils

:00:57. > :01:00.that some had regarded as vulnerable, but it lost seats as

:01:01. > :01:04.well. One Labour MP called the result "not good enough" and said

:01:05. > :01:08.the clock was now ticking on Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. Our political

:01:09. > :01:14.correspondent, Carole Walker, has the latest.

:01:15. > :01:19.A third term in power for Nicola Sturgeon, though the SNP fell just

:01:20. > :01:22.short of an overall majority, the result confirm's her party's grip on

:01:23. > :01:27.politics in Scotland. We're seeing a huge vote of confidence in the SNP's

:01:28. > :01:31.record in Government and an enormous vote of trust in our ability to lead

:01:32. > :01:36.the country forward. The Conservative leader, Ruth Davidson,

:01:37. > :01:38.had reason to be cheerful too, winning Edinburgh central and

:01:39. > :01:43.overtaking Labour to become the second largest party at Holyrood.

:01:44. > :01:47.The beleaguered Liberal Democrats retained their five seats in

:01:48. > :01:52.Scotland, but the result was a serious blow for Labour, with the

:01:53. > :01:56.former party leader Joanne Lamont one of the casualties. The current

:01:57. > :02:01.leader said she was heartbroken that her party had been pushed into third

:02:02. > :02:05.place, but she said she would remain as leader no matter what. Good

:02:06. > :02:11.morning everybody. Jeremy Corbyn went to Sheffield to congratulate

:02:12. > :02:15.one of two New Labour MPs jil Furnace, would won the by-election

:02:16. > :02:19.caused by the death of her late husband. These elections are being

:02:20. > :02:21.seen as a test of his leadership. We were getting rediction that's Labour

:02:22. > :02:27.was going to lose councils. We didn't. We hung on and we grew

:02:28. > :02:29.support in a lot of places. APPLAUSE

:02:30. > :02:34.There's a lot more results to come today. Labour hung onto some of the

:02:35. > :02:38.councils considered vulnerable in the northern Heartlands and retained

:02:39. > :02:41.control of Southampton and Hastings along the south coast. Critics say

:02:42. > :02:45.the party should have done much better. I think it was a really

:02:46. > :02:48.disappointing night for all those Labour activists who've been out

:02:49. > :02:54.campaigning for months. Jeremy needs to take responsibility for what was

:02:55. > :02:57.a poor performance yesterday. The Conservatives made some modest

:02:58. > :03:00.gains. The party will be relieved to have held its ground at a time when

:03:01. > :03:07.ministers are openly disagreeing over Europe. I think for us, as a

:03:08. > :03:13.party, normally Governments mid-term expect to lose ground. We have held

:03:14. > :03:18.our own. We have taken Peterborough council, for example. Labour have

:03:19. > :03:22.lost control of Dudley. So, I think it's much Bert than might be

:03:23. > :03:28.expected -- much better than might be expected. Ukip has won seats in

:03:29. > :03:31.Wales for the first time. A big breakthrough night for us, Wales in

:03:32. > :03:35.particular. But right across the country, our vote share up. In

:03:36. > :03:38.England, coming second almost everywhere, beginning to break

:03:39. > :03:41.through and get more firsts as well. There are many results still to

:03:42. > :03:47.come, including the contest for London Mayor. But already these

:03:48. > :03:52.elections are providing an important insight into public opinion, a year

:03:53. > :03:58.after the general election. In the rest of the day's news, the

:03:59. > :04:04.management buyout team Excaliber says it hopes to secure funding to

:04:05. > :04:08.rescue Tata steel's UK operations within a meet, to meet -- it's to

:04:09. > :04:13.meet bankers next Friday on talk to finance a deal. They say any buyout

:04:14. > :04:17.proposal is likely to involve the loss of a thousand job.

:04:18. > :04:20.Syrian rebel fighters have captured a strategic village south after

:04:21. > :04:25.lepo, despite a supposed ceasefire in the city itself. The Syrian Army

:04:26. > :04:32.denies the claim. The rebel fighters are part of an alliance, which along

:04:33. > :04:36.with the Al-Qaeda-linked nusra front hasn't agreed to abide to any of the

:04:37. > :04:40.recent truce announcement. It's reporting fighting was intense and

:04:41. > :04:46.In Canada, thousands of people who fled their homes because of

:04:47. > :04:51.wildfires are having to be moved again. Many people in Alberta had

:04:52. > :04:54.travelled north as part of a mandatory evacuation order. There

:04:55. > :04:57.are fears they could become trapped by the growing inferno and will now

:04:58. > :05:02.be airlifted south. The evacuations were ordered as the wildfire

:05:03. > :05:06.threatened to consume the city of fort McMurray and two other nearby

:05:07. > :05:13.towns. Those are the main stories so far this lunch time. Now it's back

:05:14. > :05:18.to Election 2016. Thanks very much. So, what is going

:05:19. > :05:22.on in the race to be the Mayor of London to succeed Boris Johnson and

:05:23. > :05:27.in the race to elect members to the Greater London Assembly? I'm Joeing

:05:28. > :05:33.to join my colleague, Tim Donovan. What are you picking up there at

:05:34. > :05:38.City Hall? It looks very likely that Labour's Sadiq Khan is heading for

:05:39. > :05:43.victory here. About half the votes have been scanned, have been read

:05:44. > :05:47.and he looks, from the screens we've got here, as if he's comfortably

:05:48. > :05:53.ahead. There are a couple of other quite good indicators, which are

:05:54. > :05:56.that in Zach Goldsmith's, his Conservative opponent's backyard, if

:05:57. > :06:01.you like, south-west London, where he lives, Labour appear to be, Sadiq

:06:02. > :06:05.Khan, appears to be ahead. There the significance of that is not only

:06:06. > :06:08.that Zach Goldsmith has a considerable majority and extended

:06:09. > :06:13.it at the last general election, but it looks as if Liberal Democrats may

:06:14. > :06:18.have done something strategic in and interesting, which has come across

:06:19. > :06:21.to Labour, perhaps because of the big row over the tone of the

:06:22. > :06:25.campaign, which there has been. Even on the London Assembly, it looks as

:06:26. > :06:29.if the Conservative there, who has been an Assembly Member here since

:06:30. > :06:38.this body was created in 2000, it looks like he is behind Labour too.

:06:39. > :06:41.Already, you can see here the recriminations among Conservatives,

:06:42. > :06:46.some Conservatives about how this campaign has been run, particularly

:06:47. > :06:50.in the latter stages. When do you think, I mean at this rate, because

:06:51. > :06:54.in the past this process has taken a very long time, what is your sense

:06:55. > :06:59.of the timings today, before we'll be able to say something confident

:07:00. > :07:03.about the outcome? We had one of the senior officials who is running the

:07:04. > :07:08.campaign here, moments ago, refusing to be drawn, as you can well

:07:09. > :07:10.imagine. There have been four mayoral elections and none has

:07:11. > :07:15.finished on time. There have been various delays. The whole process

:07:16. > :07:21.appears to have been jinx over past elections. It is looking good. No

:07:22. > :07:25.problems reported from the three venues where the votes are being

:07:26. > :07:29.counted at the moment. There are hints that the turnout could be a

:07:30. > :07:35.little bit higher than four years ago. People had said that it might

:07:36. > :07:39.be disastrously low. The indications are it could be around 40%. But not

:07:40. > :07:44.much higher than four years ago. A lot of people are hoping, the way

:07:45. > :07:51.things are looking at the moment, that we might have a result by early

:07:52. > :07:55.evening, 7pm, but mere speculation. OK, Tim. If there's an update we'll

:07:56. > :08:00.be back to you straight away. A quote from David Lammy, this has

:08:01. > :08:13.to do with an event that's happened today.

:08:14. > :08:20.I should point out that Lynton Crosby hasn't personally been

:08:21. > :08:25.running Zach Goldsmith's campaign, but his firm has.

:08:26. > :08:29.He has receive aid knighthood today and that timing is curious. It is.

:08:30. > :08:33.Because there have been a lot of complaints from the Labour side, as

:08:34. > :08:39.you would understand about the campaign. I wanted to ask Greg

:08:40. > :08:44.Clarke, are you proud of the campaign that Zach Goldsmith and the

:08:45. > :08:49.Conservatives ran with London Mayor with accusations of dog whistle

:08:50. > :08:53.politics. Zach Goldsmith has fought a positive campaign building on the

:08:54. > :08:56.successful term of Boris Johnson. You have interviewed over the course

:08:57. > :09:00.of many weeks both candidates, talking about housing in London,

:09:01. > :09:05.talking about transport, you've been talking about green issues across

:09:06. > :09:15.the piece. In recent weeks, I mean, you have seen, we've all seen, that

:09:16. > :09:19.there has been a big row about the association of extremists trying to

:09:20. > :09:25.get in and associate themselves with the Labour Party and the slowness of

:09:26. > :09:33.the Labour leadership and the officials to deal with that. That is

:09:34. > :09:36.a matter of common regret, I think. Even senior Labour people regard

:09:37. > :09:43.their response has having been too slow. It is right to call that out

:09:44. > :09:47.and to be firm on it. One of the Tory Assmebly Members said it was an

:09:48. > :09:52.outrageous campaign for trying to smear Sadiq Khan and link him, in

:09:53. > :09:56.terms of sharing platforms, as Tories have said, with terrorists. I

:09:57. > :10:01.don't accept that at all. If you look through the whole campaign, all

:10:02. > :10:13.of the issues have been robustly debated. Anyone that looks at the

:10:14. > :10:19.mayoral I of Boris Johnson and the candidacy of Jack Goldsmith, they

:10:20. > :10:22.have -- Zach Goldsmith, it's important to be robust when there

:10:23. > :10:27.has been these accusations and evidence that people have been

:10:28. > :10:31.trying to come into the Labour Party... Well robust is one thing,

:10:32. > :10:37.you know, I suppose when you're in the business of trying to single out

:10:38. > :10:40.ethnic backgrounds and communities, possibly that's not just being

:10:41. > :10:48.robust. What does Charlie Falconer think? I'm disgusted by Greg, woulds

:10:49. > :10:52.got quite a reputation -- who's got quite a reputation for being a

:10:53. > :10:56.decent guy for defending this. I don't know what he would say about

:10:57. > :11:00.an article which Zach Goldsmith, which he wrote, illustrated by the

:11:01. > :11:05.picture of the bus that went off in Tavistock Square, which was an

:11:06. > :11:09.attack on Sadiq Khan You know perfectly well, and you're a

:11:10. > :11:13.civilised man as well to return the compliment, you know the headline

:11:14. > :11:22.was not chosen by HM. You've written enough - So Zach Goldsmith is trying

:11:23. > :11:33.to distance himself from that? What o say about the deliberate decision

:11:34. > :11:35.taken to smear Sadiq Khan. It was a revolting campaign and the

:11:36. > :11:40.Conservatives should be ashamed of it. You should condemn it. You

:11:41. > :11:44.should not be slipperily defending it as you are at the moment. I'm not

:11:45. > :11:48.doing any such thing. But it's important in London, when you have

:11:49. > :11:53.accusation that's are backed up by what we've all seen over recent

:11:54. > :11:56.weeks. We've been looking at various - You're doing it again. Various

:11:57. > :12:00.figures have been saying outrageous things. We know there is a problem -

:12:01. > :12:07.You're repeating the slur, Greg. #1y50 People associating themselves,

:12:08. > :12:12.trying to ally themselves to the Labour Party. It needs to be dealt

:12:13. > :12:15.with, it needs to be gripped. You yourself, Charlie and, colleagues,

:12:16. > :12:20.know this needs to be dealt with firmly. It's reasonable to raise

:12:21. > :12:23.that. I will ask Charlie Falconer to defend the accusations in a moment.

:12:24. > :12:34.Even senior Tories in your own ranks, I refer again to the Assembly

:12:35. > :12:40.Member who says it's set by the Conservatives for years. I disagree

:12:41. > :12:43.with that. If you don't win, do you have to accept that it will be

:12:44. > :12:48.because of the nature of the campaign. We wait for the results.

:12:49. > :12:54.But if you look through what has been a very long campaign, no-one

:12:55. > :12:58.could say that the breadth of issues, from housing to transport -

:12:59. > :13:05.We're talking about the row - It's been very well debated. When there

:13:06. > :13:11.are concerns that have been raised about extremists trying to use the

:13:12. > :13:16.parties in politics for their own ends, it's right to be robust about

:13:17. > :13:18.it. There are some questions, legitimate questions, that have been

:13:19. > :13:22.asked during this campaign. What's wrong with putting those questions

:13:23. > :13:25.to Sadiq Khan and his team, people that he did share platforms with in

:13:26. > :13:30.the past, if there is nothing for him to be ashamed or worried about,

:13:31. > :13:35.why not just declare it? He did declare it repeatedly. What is so

:13:36. > :13:40.revolting about the campaigning that Greg's party ran was it sought to

:13:41. > :13:44.suggest subliminally that Sadiq was in some way a supporting of

:13:45. > :13:50.terrorism. That's not true. It's simply not true. He denies it, but

:13:51. > :13:56.that's what they were trying do. -- to do. Greg is beyond unreliable

:13:57. > :14:02.when he is saying that Zach Goldsmith's campaign was primarily

:14:03. > :14:06.focussed on the issues. It became a campaign focussed entirely on the

:14:07. > :14:14.sort of base campaign to which I refer. That is completely untrue.

:14:15. > :14:19.Campaigning with Zach Goldsmith on these issues. Housing is part of my

:14:20. > :14:21.responsibility. During the housing Bill, Zach Goldsmith secured an

:14:22. > :14:24.amendment from the backbenchers to increase the supply of affordable

:14:25. > :14:28.housing. This is not what we're talking about. We've taken your

:14:29. > :14:37.point about the wide range of issues discussed. This was the soul of a

:14:38. > :14:41.dominant campaign weeks. Not in the closing weeks. Throughout the whole

:14:42. > :14:52.of the campaign the issues facing London were well debated. About Jo's

:14:53. > :15:01.point, it was the dominant point made by Zach's campaign. In the last

:15:02. > :15:08.few days, there was a national controversy about people associated

:15:09. > :15:16.with the Labour Party, including some Labour - You're talking about

:15:17. > :15:20.the row on anti-Semitism? The row on anti-Semitism, oftening, was very --

:15:21. > :15:24.of course, was very prominent. You took advantage of that and tried to

:15:25. > :15:29.smear him. It was right toe give a robust response to that. I think

:15:30. > :15:32.everyone in London knows who's had the manifestos, the campaign visits,

:15:33. > :15:38.the interviews, the hustings will know that the full range of issues

:15:39. > :15:45.was pursued, including a positive agenda by Zach Goldsmith. How queasy

:15:46. > :15:49.do you feel about the campaign? The legacy. A bit queasy? The legacy of

:15:50. > :15:56.Boris Johnson has been positive for London. On both sides, in terms of

:15:57. > :16:01.dog whistle politics, which is the accusation that's been made about

:16:02. > :16:05.both parties by Baroness Warsi, she says the left needs to root out

:16:06. > :16:10.anti-Semitism and the right needs to weed out people who are Islamphobes.

:16:11. > :16:14.Dog whistle politics is damaging the UK. Do you both accept that you have

:16:15. > :16:20.a responsibility to deal with this type of campaigning?

:16:21. > :16:27.All politicians have a duty to bring people together, and part of that is

:16:28. > :16:35.to be firm about those people who divide us and would undermine our

:16:36. > :16:41.society. I agree, --. We will return to it, we will look at the London

:16:42. > :16:46.results in more detail. More results in the local elections.

:16:47. > :16:55.The breaking news in Manchester, there is now an official opposition.

:16:56. > :16:59.Labour on 75 seats, they have held that, mathematically impossible to

:17:00. > :17:06.lose, but one seat for the Liberal Democrats. The Liberal Democrats

:17:07. > :17:12.have come back in Manchester, they are now the official opposition, one

:17:13. > :17:19.seat. They'd used to have 33 councillors here. In 2010 they had

:17:20. > :17:24.33, they were all wiped out. It is a very British Liberal Democrat

:17:25. > :17:29.recovery in England, very gradual, nothing dramatic, but Tim Farron has

:17:30. > :17:32.commended and congratulated John Leech, the one councillor in

:17:33. > :17:38.Manchester. A better story in Burnley for the Lib Dems. It is a

:17:39. > :17:43.Labour hold, never any chance they would not hold on, but if you look

:17:44. > :17:47.at what has happened overnight, the Lib Dems have taken three seats.

:17:48. > :17:57.They will be pleased to see the start of the recovery. You can see

:17:58. > :18:03.gains the Labour of 7% and for the Lib Dems of 4%, falls for the

:18:04. > :18:11.Conservatives and Ukip, in the last 12 months. This is what is happening

:18:12. > :18:21.to the Green Party. They are having the opposite sort of night. Let's go

:18:22. > :18:29.to Oxford. Very quickly. A different pattern. They are not having a great

:18:30. > :18:35.time. They have lost four seats. Sorry, that is Norwich. We have a

:18:36. > :18:39.few gremlins in the system, but the Green Party falling in Oxford and

:18:40. > :18:43.Norwich and the Lib Dems starting to come back in some of those north of

:18:44. > :18:47.England seat. It is a good moment for us to look

:18:48. > :18:53.at some of the key board analysis. Jeremy has got some more. We often

:18:54. > :18:58.start talking about change and looking for places where a party has

:18:59. > :19:03.lost or gained or taken control or whatever. In the English council

:19:04. > :19:07.election, the striking thing is how much has not changed.

:19:08. > :19:15.This is the map with 100 councils, much of it is the same, as it was.

:19:16. > :19:20.It is hard to identify places where councils have changed hands. The

:19:21. > :19:23.Prime Minister was here, visiting Peterborough, because this was a

:19:24. > :19:28.Conservative gain from no overall control. I am flashing places where

:19:29. > :19:36.ownership has changed, but there are not many of them. Nuneaton result

:19:37. > :19:41.here. We all sat up and watched because we remembered the general

:19:42. > :19:45.election, the Conservatives held Nuneaton, everybody thought it would

:19:46. > :19:50.go Labour. So then we thought, Ed Miliband is in trouble. The opposite

:19:51. > :19:56.situation with Nuneaton, Labour have held it, which is a good sign for

:19:57. > :20:01.Jeremy Corbyn. What is going on? We started looking at the south, the

:20:02. > :20:05.last time these seats were up in 2012, Ed Miliband was in a honeymoon

:20:06. > :20:10.period, he did well, Labour were controlling Exeter, way outside

:20:11. > :20:17.their natural territory, in Southampton, just next to Eastleigh,

:20:18. > :20:24.Hastings, you can point out the red. Councils where Labour are in

:20:25. > :20:31.control. Crawley, Slough, Stevenage, Harlow. This is the result, they

:20:32. > :20:34.still there. They have not been knocked out of those southern

:20:35. > :20:37.councils. People thought they would be punished in them, because of

:20:38. > :20:43.additional disaffection with Jeremy Corbyn. Whatever the pundits said,

:20:44. > :20:48.it was wrong on those councils, they still in control. The fact that so

:20:49. > :20:56.little has changed, it is interesting. We take about 900

:20:57. > :20:57.council wards and we analyse them, because they are representative of a

:20:58. > :21:07.national result. Bear in mind the camp parrot in --

:21:08. > :21:12.the comparison is the general election year, when Labour did

:21:13. > :21:16.badly. Labour have gone up, the Conservatives have gone down, as you

:21:17. > :21:21.would expect. The Liberal Democrats up on what was a shocking year last

:21:22. > :21:27.year. The change since 2012 now. This is interesting. At the start of

:21:28. > :21:31.the night, we were looking at figures of Labour going down eight

:21:32. > :21:36.or 9%, struggling to replicate anything like what Ed Miliband got

:21:37. > :21:43.in 2012 when these seats were last contested. Actually, they are only

:21:44. > :21:48.down 4% since 2012, or 3%, much less of a dip and was being predicted.

:21:49. > :21:53.The Conservatives, who had a bad result in 2012, are just steady.

:21:54. > :21:57.Although the minister said it was a good night for the Conservatives,

:21:58. > :22:01.because they have held onto their councils, 2012 was a bad night for

:22:02. > :22:05.them, and one reason Labour have not been evicted from some of the red

:22:06. > :22:14.councils is there hasn't been no warmth in the Conservative

:22:15. > :22:23.performance. -- note oomph. Let's look at the share in the South.

:22:24. > :22:28.Labour down 4% overall, and 3% down in the south, so they are losing a

:22:29. > :22:31.bit less in the south. He would not have thought that. They are a bit

:22:32. > :22:39.more stable in the areas they find most difficult. The Conservatives

:22:40. > :22:43.down on a bad result in 2012 in their heartland, so crumbs of

:22:44. > :22:44.comfort for Labour. Not a lot of change, but the map telling us quite

:22:45. > :22:55.a lot. But go to Norwich, Norman Lamb is

:22:56. > :23:00.waiting to talk to us. Your sense of what your party has done on the

:23:01. > :23:07.basis of a very challenging couple of years, where are you today? It is

:23:08. > :23:13.many years since I was last able to say the Lib Dems have gained, but

:23:14. > :23:16.that is what we are seeing today. It is modest, there is nothing dramatic

:23:17. > :23:23.happening, but we have just heard from Jeremy Vine we are up four

:23:24. > :23:27.points on last year. We have gained two constituencies from the SNP in

:23:28. > :23:31.Scotland. That would be hard to imagine just a few months ago.

:23:32. > :23:36.Kirsty Williams in Wales gaining a seat that we lost to the

:23:37. > :23:43.Conservatives in the general election last year. Across England,

:23:44. > :23:47.modest gains. Green shoots, after a near fatal knockout blow last year.

:23:48. > :23:53.It shows there is still life there, and we are fighting back. That

:23:54. > :23:58.thought is interesting, for now, on this basis, given that you are

:23:59. > :24:04.coming from a pretty low base in some of these areas, what is the

:24:05. > :24:08.route to get back to a serious share representation in some of these

:24:09. > :24:12.local authorities? We have to continue what we are doing,

:24:13. > :24:15.identifying seats which we are capable of winning and targeting our

:24:16. > :24:20.effort to make sure we make the breakthrough. It is brilliant to see

:24:21. > :24:24.John Leech, the former MP for Manchester Withington, getting back

:24:25. > :24:31.onto Manchester council as the sole opposition member to Labour.

:24:32. > :24:36.Nationally, work is under way, but we have to be clear to the public

:24:37. > :24:40.about what we stand for. So that people understand the point in

:24:41. > :24:46.voting for the Lib Dems. I am very clear in my view that there is a

:24:47. > :24:51.desperate need for a liberal, progressive movement to challenge

:24:52. > :24:56.the Conservatives. Labour has taken itself way off to the left. If you

:24:57. > :25:02.just get a sense that the Tories have no challenge, you get arrogant

:25:03. > :25:10.and complacent Government. That is why it is important we rebuild as

:25:11. > :25:17.fast as we can. It is good to talk to you. The First Minister in

:25:18. > :25:23.Scotland will be making a statement in Edinburgh at 2pm, which we will

:25:24. > :25:29.cover live. Let's go to Gavin Esler. Can we expect the message to be

:25:30. > :25:33.roughly what we heard in that speech she gave overnight, where she gave

:25:34. > :25:37.her personal pledge to all people in Scotland about the form of

:25:38. > :25:42.governance they can expect? I think that is right. It has been a good

:25:43. > :25:46.result for the SNP, they are just short of an overall majority, but

:25:47. > :25:50.she is capable of governing in Scotland is a big minority

:25:51. > :25:53.Government. That kind of message of bringing people together is what we

:25:54. > :25:59.will hear. It has been a terrible night for Labour, their woes may

:26:00. > :26:02.continue into next year, with the local council elections in Scotland,

:26:03. > :26:05.people talking about them facing a disaster even in Glasgow. It has

:26:06. > :26:11.been a huge day for the Conservatives. Ruth Davidson knows,

:26:12. > :26:15.we have joked about it in the past, that in some areas you are more

:26:16. > :26:18.likely to bump into Elvis than somebody who would be prepared to

:26:19. > :26:23.say that they vote Conservative. She is trying to change that and she has

:26:24. > :26:25.done very well for her party, partly by distancing herself from the

:26:26. > :26:31.Conservatives in London. She promises to be the unofficial Leader

:26:32. > :26:40.of the Opposition. Very interesting, back with you later. A quick update

:26:41. > :26:44.on the London mayoral election, John Curtice has sent me a message. Given

:26:45. > :26:51.the current state of the first preference count of the election, it

:26:52. > :26:58.looks as though Sadiq Khan might win by 57% to 43%. That is a very big

:26:59. > :27:03.margin. We are not there yet, but that is what John is suggesting at

:27:04. > :27:10.this point. Counting is still going on. This is what City Hall are

:27:11. > :27:15.showing us in terms of the progress of the boat. It is continually being

:27:16. > :27:19.updated on their website, it is a very transparent process. Before we

:27:20. > :27:27.leave you for the lunchtime news, a quick look at the Council tally as

:27:28. > :27:34.it stands across England. It is important. That is far better than

:27:35. > :27:54.the Labour Party were expecting. A quick look at the councillors.

:27:55. > :28:02.People had been talking about possible losses of 150 or 200 for

:28:03. > :28:07.the Labour Party, nowhere near that. The Conservatives pointed to that is

:28:08. > :28:12.a positive thing. After listening to Norman Lamb, you can understand the

:28:13. > :28:22.Lib Dems are pleased to be talking about gaining councillors.

:28:23. > :28:27.More results to come, because we are keeping tabs on what is going on in

:28:28. > :28:32.London, the London assembly, and the Mayor of London, not forgetting

:28:33. > :28:39.there are results coming in from Northern Ireland. And there are

:28:40. > :28:43.dozens of results from the Police and Crime Commissioner is across

:28:44. > :28:49.England and is all to come. I thank my guests for joining us. We are

:28:50. > :28:51.back at 2pm. The first, the BBC News at 1pm with Kate Silverton. Goodbye

:28:52. > :28:57.for now.