Part 3

:00:27. > :00:33.Yes, a very good afternoon, welcome back to the BBC Election Centre. We

:00:34. > :00:35.will be here throughout the afternoon and bring you up-to-date

:00:36. > :00:40.with what is happening around the UK. We are talking principally in

:00:41. > :00:42.Scotland about an historic third victory for the Scottish National

:00:43. > :00:48.Party in the Parliamentary elections. 63 seats after the

:00:49. > :00:53.results came in, two short of an overall majority this time. But it

:00:54. > :00:58.was a very strong performance by the SNP. Also a very good night for the

:00:59. > :01:03.Scottish Conservatives. Their leader Ruth Davidson won a seat in

:01:04. > :01:07.Edinburgh Central. She has been celebrating gains elsewhere in

:01:08. > :01:11.Scotland. The Scottish Labour Party, however, pushed into third because

:01:12. > :01:16.of the strong Conservative showing. A disappointing result for them. But

:01:17. > :01:21.a very different story, it has to be said, for Labour in Wales, where

:01:22. > :01:25.they have won 29 seats in the National Assembly. Holding onto

:01:26. > :01:29.power. They have been in power for 17 years in Cardiff and they will be

:01:30. > :01:35.there for another five years. And a good result for Ukip in Wales, they

:01:36. > :01:40.have taken seven seats in the Welsh Assembly, their first representation

:01:41. > :01:45.in the Welsh Assembly. Plaid Cymru's leader, Leanne Wood, a notable

:01:46. > :01:50.victory in the Labour stronghold of Rhondda, where she unseated Leighton

:01:51. > :01:55.Andrews, a former Minister in the Welsh Assembly. And in the endless

:01:56. > :02:00.council elections, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn says predictions for

:02:01. > :02:04.his party, losing councils, have not come true. Instead, he says Labour

:02:05. > :02:09.have been growing their support. David Cameron, on the other hand,

:02:10. > :02:13.visiting Peterborough, saying it might have been a data dread for him

:02:14. > :02:17.as a Prime Minister, but it had not materialised, and Labour had lost

:02:18. > :02:22.touch with the hard-working people they are supposed to represent. -- a

:02:23. > :02:27.data dread. Votes are still being counted, so don't think it is all

:02:28. > :02:33.over. In the London Assembly on the London Mayoral contest, such a very,

:02:34. > :02:39.very ferociously for Grace in recent weeks, around three quarters of the

:02:40. > :02:46.first preference votes counted. -- ferociously fought race. Labour's

:02:47. > :02:51.Sadiq Khan has a sizeable lead over the Conservative Zac Goldsmith.

:02:52. > :02:57.With a bit of luck, we will have some more clear signals on the

:02:58. > :03:01.London Mayoral race, which has been very controversial to say the least.

:03:02. > :03:05.I will be talking to my guests, Justine Greening and John Ashworth,

:03:06. > :03:09.for the Conservatives and Labour. Thank you for joining us. But before

:03:10. > :03:11.we talk to you, we will catch up with all of the day's news and get

:03:12. > :03:24.some of the figures and reactions. Yes, as you say, results are still

:03:25. > :03:28.awaited in the campaign to be the Mayor of London. Most of the votes

:03:29. > :03:32.for Police and Crime Commissioners and the Northern Ireland Stormont

:03:33. > :03:34.assembly. This is the round-up of all the political points so far,

:03:35. > :03:42.from Carol Walker. A third term in power for Nicola

:03:43. > :03:47.Sturgeon, although the SNP fell just short of an overall majority, but

:03:48. > :03:52.the result confirms our party's grip on politics in Scotland. We are

:03:53. > :03:55.seeing a huge vote of confidence in the SNP record in government, and an

:03:56. > :04:00.enormous vote of trust in our ability to lead the country forward.

:04:01. > :04:04.But Conservative leader Ruth Davidson had reason to be cheerful

:04:05. > :04:09.too, winning Edinburgh Central and overtaking Labour to become the

:04:10. > :04:12.second largest party in Holyrood. The beleaguered Liberal Democrats

:04:13. > :04:17.retain their five seats in Scotland. The result was a serious blow for

:04:18. > :04:21.Labour. The former party leader Johann Lamont, one of the political

:04:22. > :04:25.casualties. The current leader Kezia Dugdale said she was heartbroken

:04:26. > :04:29.that her party had been pushed into third, but said she would remain as

:04:30. > :04:36.leader no matter what. Good morning, everybody! Jeremy Corbyn went to

:04:37. > :04:39.Sheffield to congratulate one of two Labour MPs, Gill Furniss, who won

:04:40. > :04:44.the by-election caused by the death of her late husband. These elections

:04:45. > :04:48.are being seen as a test of Mr Corbyn's leadership. We were getting

:04:49. > :04:52.predictions that Labour would lose councils, and we didn't, we hung on

:04:53. > :04:58.and we grew support in a lot of places. There is a lot more results

:04:59. > :05:01.to come today. Labour hung on to some of the council is considered

:05:02. > :05:05.vulnerable in their northern heartlands, and retain control of

:05:06. > :05:10.Southampton and Hastings along the south coast. Critics say the party

:05:11. > :05:13.should have done much better. It was a really disappointing night for the

:05:14. > :05:16.Labour activists who have been out there, campaigning for months, and

:05:17. > :05:20.Jeremy needs to take responsible a deep for a poor performance

:05:21. > :05:24.yesterday. For goodness sake, get behind the leader of the Labour

:05:25. > :05:29.Party who was democratically elected. It is time to put up or

:05:30. > :05:33.shut up. David Cameron new it would never be easy for the Conservatives

:05:34. > :05:36.to fight elections while his Ministers are openly disagreeing

:05:37. > :05:40.over Europe, but in Peterborough where the Tories took control, he

:05:41. > :05:44.said the modest gains represented a great day for the Tories overall.

:05:45. > :05:48.Election day for sitting Prime Minister's is meant to be a day to

:05:49. > :05:51.dread, sitting there waiting for someone to knock on the door like a

:05:52. > :05:56.condemned man waiting for the hangman, but that is not what it was

:05:57. > :06:01.like last night. Or today. We have held councils right across the

:06:02. > :06:05.country. Ukip has gained at least 20 seats in England and won seven seats

:06:06. > :06:10.in Wales, depriving Labour of an overall majority. A big breakthrough

:06:11. > :06:15.for us, in Wales in particular but right across the country, our vote

:06:16. > :06:18.share is up. In England, coming second almost everywhere and

:06:19. > :06:23.beginning to break through and get more firsts as well. Votes are still

:06:24. > :06:27.being counted in London and elsewhere, but already these

:06:28. > :06:28.elections are providing an important snapshot of public opinion a year

:06:29. > :06:41.after the general election. We have been expecting a statement

:06:42. > :06:45.from the First Minister of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, on her intentions.

:06:46. > :06:53.She has just started speaking in Edinburgh. The day after a momentous

:06:54. > :06:59.election victory for the SNP. Yesterday, the SNP made history. We

:07:00. > :07:05.became the first party to win a third consecutive Scottish

:07:06. > :07:10.Parliament election, and secure a third term in office. We won the

:07:11. > :07:15.highest share of the constituency vote. And the largest number of

:07:16. > :07:20.constituency seats ever achieved in a Scottish Parliament election. We

:07:21. > :07:26.are the very first party in the era of devolution to poll more than 1

:07:27. > :07:32.million votes in constituencies across our country. The result of

:07:33. > :07:37.the election was emphatic. The people of Scotland once again placed

:07:38. > :07:44.their trust in the SNP to govern our country. We won a clear and

:07:45. > :07:52.unequivocal mandate. And I secured the personal mandate I sought to

:07:53. > :07:57.implement the bold and ambitious programme of government that I asked

:07:58. > :08:03.the country to vote for. So I can confirm that when it reconvenes in

:08:04. > :08:05.the coming days, I will ask the Scottish Parliament to formally

:08:06. > :08:15.re-elect me as the First Minister of Scotland. It will then be my

:08:16. > :08:22.intention to form and to lead an SNP government. With such a large group

:08:23. > :08:26.of MSPs elected, I don't intend to seek any formal arrangement with any

:08:27. > :08:32.other parties. However, the Government I lead will be an

:08:33. > :08:37.inclusive government. It will be firm on our determination to deliver

:08:38. > :08:42.on the commitments we made to the Scottish people. But it will also

:08:43. > :08:47.reach out and seek to work with others across the Parliament, to

:08:48. > :08:54.find common ground and build consensus. Election campaigns

:08:55. > :08:59.inevitably focus on differences and on dividing lines. But I believe

:09:00. > :09:09.that if we choose to find it, there is common ground are plenty to build

:09:10. > :09:12.on. -- aplenty. I made clear that education will be the defining and

:09:13. > :09:18.driving priority of my tenure as First Minister. And I expect to be

:09:19. > :09:25.judged on that. I reiterate that commitment today. Education is my

:09:26. > :09:29.passion and my priority. And because of that, I was heartened that all

:09:30. > :09:36.parties chose to put a clear focus on it. So I hope we can put party

:09:37. > :09:39.differences aside and work together, in CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

:09:40. > :09:43.Opportunities for all of our young people, regardless of their

:09:44. > :09:49.background or circumstances. -- insuring label opportunities for all

:09:50. > :09:53.of our young people, regardless of their background or circumstances,

:09:54. > :09:59.that must unite us not divide us over the next five years. Climate

:10:00. > :10:02.change and protecting the environment, and putting support for

:10:03. > :10:07.innovation at the heart of our effort to transform the productivity

:10:08. > :10:11.of the Scottish economy. And of course the SNP's determination to

:10:12. > :10:16.use new powers to mitigate austerity, invest in our public

:10:17. > :10:23.services and build a social security system based on the principles of

:10:24. > :10:28.dignity and respect is, with perhaps one exception, shared by other

:10:29. > :10:34.parties in our Parliament. So the Government I lead will reach out. We

:10:35. > :10:39.will govern with conviction, with ambition and with determination. But

:10:40. > :10:47.also with humility and a willingness to listen and to learn from the

:10:48. > :10:51.ideas of others. And on the question of independence, let me say this.

:10:52. > :10:59.The SNP will always make our case with passion, with patience, and

:11:00. > :11:04.with respect. But our aim is to persuade, not to divide. We will

:11:05. > :11:10.always respect the opinion of the people. Now and in the future. And

:11:11. > :11:17.we simply ask that other parties do likewise. You know, it is the

:11:18. > :11:24.greatest privilege imaginable to be elected as the First Minister of our

:11:25. > :11:29.country. To those who voted for me and the SNP yesterday, thank you me

:11:30. > :11:33.from the very bottom of my heart. You have given me a precious

:11:34. > :11:38.opportunity to change this country for the better, and I promise to

:11:39. > :11:45.seize that opportunity with both hands. To those who did not vote for

:11:46. > :11:56.me, I promise you that I will never stop striving to own your trust and

:11:57. > :11:59.your support. Like all politicians, I am passionate, very passionate,

:12:00. > :12:06.about the ideals I believe in. But as First Minister, I know that I

:12:07. > :12:11.have a duty to rise above party politics and to govern in the best

:12:12. > :12:18.interests of all of our country. My pledge today is that I will always

:12:19. > :12:24.seek to do that. Whatever your politics or your point of view, my

:12:25. > :12:27.job is to serve you. I will always fight Scotland's corner, and I will

:12:28. > :12:35.work every single day to make our country fairer, wealthier and

:12:36. > :12:42.stronger. I relish the opportunity is that this next term of Parliament

:12:43. > :12:48.presents. And I now look forward very much, after perhaps a few

:12:49. > :12:52.hours' sleep, to getting on with the job. Thank you very much.

:12:53. > :13:03.STUDIO: So there we have Nicola Sturgeon, the First Minister,

:13:04. > :13:08.acknowledging the fact that she now has a personal mandate, as she has

:13:09. > :13:12.been calling it. Getting ready to put a stamp on that government for

:13:13. > :13:17.the next five years. Very interesting that she has gone out of

:13:18. > :13:20.her way several times overnight, and today, to address those many

:13:21. > :13:25.thousands of Scottish voters who did not back the SNP in these elections.

:13:26. > :13:31.Saying that she wants to earn their trust, and that she is going to

:13:32. > :13:35.govern for all people in Scotland, whether they back the ideal of

:13:36. > :13:38.independence or not. Because of course that is still the principal

:13:39. > :13:45.goal of the Scottish National Party. Nicola Sturgeon, into the official

:13:46. > :13:49.seat of government in Edinburgh. We are going to go to Kevin Keane, my

:13:50. > :13:53.colleague who was listening to that. What did you read into those

:13:54. > :13:57.messages, of reaching out, and indeed the tone of the message on

:13:58. > :14:03.the way that she will approach the independence question again? Well,

:14:04. > :14:07.that's very much been the theme of this SNP government throughout.

:14:08. > :14:10.Remember, of course, before that last term in Parliament, their

:14:11. > :14:15.first-term which began nine years ago, they were in the same position

:14:16. > :14:20.they are in now, they didn't have a majority. They were in a minority

:14:21. > :14:25.and they had to reach consensus. Every time they had to put forward a

:14:26. > :14:29.new budget. This puts them back in the same position. They are only two

:14:30. > :14:33.votes short of a majority, and by the sound of it, they feel confident

:14:34. > :14:39.they would be able to reach that when necessary. Of course, John

:14:40. > :14:43.Swinney, the Finance Secretary, Deputy First Minister now, was very

:14:44. > :14:49.much involved in that. That position, that phase, continues to

:14:50. > :14:53.be in the same seat. Nicola Sturgeon herself was involved in all of those

:14:54. > :14:59.negotiations then, as Deputy First Minister. But it is very much like

:15:00. > :15:03.Nicola Sturgeon to try to reach out to other parties. It is a

:15:04. > :15:09.Parliament, remember, that is meant to be one of consensus and

:15:10. > :15:11.agreement. This is the first step in her third term, the SNP's third term

:15:12. > :15:22.of trying to do that. Thank you. What I would like to do now is join

:15:23. > :15:25.Kezia Dugdale, at the Scottish Parliament in Holyrood. Thank you so

:15:26. > :15:30.much for joining us. It's been a very long nice. Afternoon. Thank

:15:31. > :15:34.you. It's been very tough for your party. Talk us through the

:15:35. > :15:39.expectations that you had and where you think you are today. It's been a

:15:40. > :15:43.very disappointing election for the Scottish Labour Party. You have to

:15:44. > :15:47.remember that we had a very difficult general election campaign

:15:48. > :15:52.last year. We went from having 41 MPs to just 1. Last night I lost a

:15:53. > :15:56.third of the Labour MSP group here in the Scottish Parliament. It

:15:57. > :15:59.appears in Scotland we've returned to the constitutional arguments of

:16:00. > :16:02.the past. The final days of the election campaign have focused on

:16:03. > :16:07.issues of independence and remaining part of the United Kingdom. The

:16:08. > :16:11.Tories have benefited hugely from being the party to say they oppose a

:16:12. > :16:16.second referendum on independence. Lots of people in Scotland were very

:16:17. > :16:19.fearful of that. The Scottish Labour Party had a commitment to oppose a

:16:20. > :16:23.second referendum as well. We were trying to binge together people who

:16:24. > :16:26.voted yes and no, with a positive vision of the future of Scotland,

:16:27. > :16:31.which was about using the new powers of this Parliament. Powers over tax

:16:32. > :16:35.and welfare that will allow us to make different choices from the

:16:36. > :16:38.Tories in Scotland. So I very much regret what's happened overnight but

:16:39. > :16:41.the Labour Party will get back together and make that case for

:16:42. > :16:48.building a more fair and equal Scotland. For viewers loo are

:16:49. > :16:51.joining us, you are no longer the official opposition in Scotland,

:16:52. > :16:55.that the Conservatives have overtaken you and they are pleased

:16:56. > :16:58.about that and they've been underlining that achievement

:16:59. > :17:02.overnight. Do you think that that's a reason for people to question your

:17:03. > :17:06.position as leader in Scotland? Or do you think it's early days and

:17:07. > :17:10.you've got more work to do? I've made it very clear that I intend to

:17:11. > :17:17.remain as leader of the Scottish Labour Party. As I said to you I

:17:18. > :17:22.took over the leadership of the party under difficult circumstances

:17:23. > :17:30.last year, when we lost 40 members. I turned around our party so it

:17:31. > :17:33.could be fit to return again. Last night's result is of course a bad

:17:34. > :17:39.result for the Scottish Labour Party. We lost a third of our MSPs.

:17:40. > :17:44.I believe there's fresh blood coming into the Scottish Parliament next

:17:45. > :17:47.week. That belief that the Scottish Labour Party has ideas, values and

:17:48. > :17:52.principles that are fit for the people of Scotland. Trying to heal

:17:53. > :17:56.this nation of ours which is divided along lines of yes and no, to make

:17:57. > :18:02.different choices from the Tories. We've seen the result of a timid

:18:03. > :18:06.campaign from the SNP. They are back in power but with no majority, and

:18:07. > :18:10.an official opposition that will challenge them to do less, to cut

:18:11. > :18:13.more, and I think it's the role of the Labour Party now in Scotland to

:18:14. > :18:18.stand up against austerity, to continue to make the case for how we

:18:19. > :18:23.can stop the cuts, using the powers of this Parliament behind me. Make

:18:24. > :18:28.different choices from the Tories, to stand up for working people the

:18:29. > :18:33.length and breadth of this country. Ian Murray says, I don't think the

:18:34. > :18:37.public see the UK Labour Party led by Jeremy Corbyn at the moment as

:18:38. > :18:45.being a credible party of future Government in 2020. Do you agree

:18:46. > :18:47.with that view? To be honest, I'm taking full responsibility for the

:18:48. > :18:51.campaign I've run here in Scotland. I believe it was right for us to

:18:52. > :18:54.focus on the positive arguments for why people should vote Labour here

:18:55. > :18:57.in Scotland. Appealing to people who voted yes and no. That sense of

:18:58. > :19:02.making different choices from the Tories. I always said I was the

:19:03. > :19:05.leader of this campaign, so it is always the case in the event of a

:19:06. > :19:10.big defeat or a bad night that you look to apportion blame. That's not

:19:11. > :19:14.what I'm going to do today. I'm going to reflect on the result and

:19:15. > :19:18.get the Labour Party in Scotland fit for the future again. To be clear,

:19:19. > :19:23.are you telling our viewers you don't think the leadership of the

:19:24. > :19:28.Labour Party, and Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, was any factor, or did

:19:29. > :19:33.it play a part? It's quite apparent that when people saw a can divided

:19:34. > :19:36.Labour Party across the country it wasn't particularly appealing in

:19:37. > :19:42.terms of getting people's votes and being focused on the future. I would

:19:43. > :19:45.appeal to people to unite behind our ideals, our values and principles

:19:46. > :19:49.and focus on the future. We have to get back to making the arguments for

:19:50. > :19:53.why Tory ideals that smaller government, cutting taxes instead of

:19:54. > :19:56.stopping austerity are the wrong ideas, the wrong values for our

:19:57. > :19:59.country at a time when we need to invest in our public services, to

:20:00. > :20:04.invest in education and grow our economy. I would appeal from a

:20:05. > :20:10.united Labour Party focused on our values and principles that's ready

:20:11. > :20:15.to rebuild for the future. Kezia Dugdale, thank you for joining us.

:20:16. > :20:17.Thank you. That's Kezia Dugdale, the leader of the Labour Party in

:20:18. > :20:21.Scotland. That was interesting on several counts, not least to do with

:20:22. > :20:26.the last answer there, acknowledging that a divided Labour Party has not

:20:27. > :20:31.helped her position there. Can I bring in John Ashworth for Labour

:20:32. > :20:34.and Justine Greening for the Conservatives. The message from

:20:35. > :20:40.Kezia Dugdale, what did you make of it? Mfrnlts I thought Kezia handled

:20:41. > :20:43.herself with tremendous dignity there, the taking responsibility for

:20:44. > :20:49.the defeat in Scotland. Getting back on the front foot in Scotland is a

:20:50. > :20:54.long term project. I hope we can be competitive to get into Scotland for

:20:55. > :20:59.2020. For a credible prospect for government we need to show we can

:21:00. > :21:04.win support. It is arithmetically impossible to form a government

:21:05. > :21:10.without Labour MPs in Scotland, but to look credible for Government we

:21:11. > :21:12.need to gain in Scotland. It is a longer term project given the

:21:13. > :21:17.devastating result in Scotland last year. And given what she said about

:21:18. > :21:22.a publicly divided party. What are your thoughts on that? I think

:21:23. > :21:26.Labour Party members wants us to pull together and focus on the

:21:27. > :21:30.Tories. Throughout this campaign when we've had various noises off,

:21:31. > :21:34.hall I put it like that? We've got to really take the fight to the

:21:35. > :21:38.Tories over the next few months and years. I don't think this is a very

:21:39. > :21:43.good Tory Government, to be frank. It is getting harder to see a GP.

:21:44. > :21:48.Class sizes are on the rise. George Osborne's budget became a shambles

:21:49. > :21:53.when he tried to cut ?4 billion from system of the most vulnerable

:21:54. > :22:00.people. Labour Party members want us to focus on these issues, and voters

:22:01. > :22:06.as well. Why didn't Labour make any proper gains? Or any gains at all?

:22:07. > :22:12.We have had quotes from MPs, Alison McGovern, saying losing control of a

:22:13. > :22:16.single council would be an unacceptable betrayal of people. Jo

:22:17. > :22:21.Cox said it was a disappointing night. Ian Australiain, I no ethese

:22:22. > :22:27.aren't necessarily Jeremy Corbyn's biggest fans, but we've had hoping

:22:28. > :22:32.to win back disillusioned voters. Do you think the pert could win in 2020

:22:33. > :22:36.on these election results? The goal Jeremy set the Labour Party was to

:22:37. > :22:40.improve the vote share against the terrible result we had last year. I

:22:41. > :22:44.am pleased that we've managed to hold on to councils which a lot of

:22:45. > :22:48.the experts told us we were going to lose. Some people told us we were

:22:49. > :22:52.going to have a desperately catastrophic night. I would much

:22:53. > :22:57.prefer it if we had done a lot better. Wont I want to do over the

:22:58. > :23:01.next weeks and month to go to these places, like Nuneaton, where we

:23:02. > :23:05.should have done better, and engage with voters and ask why they don't

:23:06. > :23:08.vote Labour in these elections. Clearly the demise of Labour in

:23:09. > :23:11.Scotland started before the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn. But

:23:12. > :23:17.they are now in third place in Scotland. And she blames a party

:23:18. > :23:21.that is not United. What do you say? I think Scotland is a massive

:23:22. > :23:26.challenge for the Labour Party. I can't pretend it isn't. You've gone

:23:27. > :23:29.backwards. Coming third behind the Tories is a terrible result for the

:23:30. > :23:33.Labour Party in Scotland. I would say this, we over the next four

:23:34. > :23:36.years have got to make Scotland a political priority for us. If we

:23:37. > :23:42.want to be a credible prospect for government in 2020, we have to be

:23:43. > :23:46.competitive in Scotland. It was interesting that rite Davidson said

:23:47. > :23:50.she thought she was picking up lots of votes and doing really well

:23:51. > :23:55.because she pursued a very robust and clear line on the union. And

:23:56. > :23:59.rejecting this thought of a second referendum and the case for

:24:00. > :24:03.independence. She said because she was offering a clear line on that

:24:04. > :24:06.and Labour wasn't sufficiently, in her view, that was the main reason

:24:07. > :24:10.for Conservatives' success in Scotland. Is that your receiving of

:24:11. > :24:15.it? I think it is to do with that. I think it is to do with Ruth's

:24:16. > :24:19.personal leadership and the way she has conducted this campaign. People

:24:20. > :24:23.can see her as the only person that can really hold the SNP to account.

:24:24. > :24:25.That's what we want to see from a credible opposition. I think for us

:24:26. > :24:29.as a Conservatives, this is the first time in over a century that

:24:30. > :24:32.we've beaten the Labour Party in Scotland. So it is a real

:24:33. > :24:37.breakthrough moment for us. I think what it shows is that we are the run

:24:38. > :24:41.remaining party in Britain now that's a one-nation party that's

:24:42. > :24:45.representing people all over our great country. I think possibly the

:24:46. > :24:50.problem for Labour is that my view is in Scotland as in so many other

:24:51. > :24:53.parts of the world, of the country, they've lost touch with grass roots

:24:54. > :24:57.public opinion. I think they've not been out there on the doorstep

:24:58. > :25:00.talking to people for a long time. I think the in Scotland they took

:25:01. > :25:04.their electorate for granted. I think the problem is that if

:25:05. > :25:08.Scotland's anything to go by be, it is not just that people think that

:25:09. > :25:14.Labour aren't a credible alternative Government. They don't think they

:25:15. > :25:18.are a credible opposition either. The entire premise of Jeremy

:25:19. > :25:22.Corbyn's leadership and election is because he is backed up by grass

:25:23. > :25:26.roots position that he is in this position, because he says he's in

:25:27. > :25:31.touch with that that he is a leader with a big mandate. I don't agree

:25:32. > :25:34.with that. I think he is somebody who's got extreme views, who is the

:25:35. > :25:38.leader of what used to be a mainstream party. That's the real

:25:39. > :25:42.problem. You are seeing that in these election results. John? The

:25:43. > :25:46.Labour Party is of course a mainstream party. It is extreme to

:25:47. > :25:51.be forcing schools to become academies. The way in which the

:25:52. > :25:56.Tories are undermining the NHS is pretty extreme. The way in which you

:25:57. > :26:03.wanted to cut ?4 billion off some of the most vulnerable and disabled

:26:04. > :26:05.people in society was a pretty extreme proposal from George

:26:06. > :26:11.Osborne. We have to focus on people in the next weeks and months. Let's

:26:12. > :26:15.pause. This is quite a big moment for us having been broadcasting for

:26:16. > :26:17.hours and looking at all the election results, Scotland and

:26:18. > :26:23.Wales. They are still counting in London. Based on those council

:26:24. > :26:27.results in England, what we are able to do is produce a projected

:26:28. > :26:32.national share of the vote. In other words what would have happened if

:26:33. > :26:36.there had been a general election. I won't spoil the surprise. Let's go

:26:37. > :26:40.to Jeremy. We've been on air I think for 15 hours now with a couple of

:26:41. > :26:44.breaks. We have about 900 wards in the English council elections that

:26:45. > :26:49.we look at. I think they are pretty much now all in. I'm going to give

:26:50. > :26:53.you what we call n. I'm going to give you what we call our projected

:26:54. > :26:55.n. I'm going to give you what we call our projected national share -

:26:56. > :26:58.the scores would have been had the election happened in all parts of

:26:59. > :27:02.the UK. For the main national parties that we are seeing here.

:27:03. > :27:07.Let's look at this. Labour in first place. 31%. An improvement clearly

:27:08. > :27:11.on their score in 2015, when they lost the general election to the

:27:12. > :27:15.Conservatives. Just behind them, not far behind them, 30%, you have to go

:27:16. > :27:22.back years and years to find a situation where the two main parties

:27:23. > :27:29.combined were under 62%. Lib Dems, third place. 15%. Ukip, quite

:27:30. > :27:33.impressive on 12%. And the others on 12% here. Let's take in these

:27:34. > :27:38.figures. It shows that Labour are in the lead in our projected national

:27:39. > :27:41.share. Our idea of what would have been scored had this election

:27:42. > :27:46.happened across the whole country not just in the English councils,

:27:47. > :27:52.where it is being held. I will show you change now. It won't surprise

:27:53. > :27:54.you if we look at change since 2015, the positions reverse. That's the

:27:55. > :28:00.year when the Conservatives won the general election. Labour are up 2%

:28:01. > :28:05.since their performance last year. The Conservatives down 5%. Not a lot

:28:06. > :28:10.to write home about for the Conservatives. They haven't had

:28:11. > :28:15.enough welly to push Labour out of councils in the south, where you

:28:16. > :28:18.would have thought they were vulnerable. Lib Dems the up 4%. But

:28:19. > :28:21.they can say the momentum is everything. We are moving in the

:28:22. > :28:24.right direction. The direction is up for the Liberal Democrats. They

:28:25. > :28:31.haven't expired as a political party. You cup down 1% since last

:28:32. > :28:35.year The others are where they were. This is change since 2015. Change

:28:36. > :28:40.since 2012. We've come back to again and again during this programme. It

:28:41. > :28:47.was year in which the council seats we've been looking at tonight,

:28:48. > :28:50.yesterday, overnight and this morning, were last fought. Ed

:28:51. > :28:56.Miliband put in a spark ag performance in 2012, he was in his

:28:57. > :29:03.honeymoon. Labour have not done as well, down 7%. The Conservatives did

:29:04. > :29:08.poorly in 2012 and they are down. How can they all be down? The

:29:09. > :29:11.arrival of Ukip have taken all of those votes. Votes. They weren't

:29:12. > :29:16.really on the board from 2012, but their arrival has done this. Labour

:29:17. > :29:21.is hurting compared to 2012 but more impressive compared to 2015. That's

:29:22. > :29:29.interesting Jeremy. That prompts a few questions for Labour and the

:29:30. > :29:34.Conservatives. I want to bring in John Curtice. We had a stream of

:29:35. > :29:38.Conservative guests saying, we are having a great time. We are

:29:39. > :29:42.relieved. David Cameron in Peterborough said it's fantastic.

:29:43. > :29:46.How do we square that with what we've seen on the projected national

:29:47. > :29:50.share of 30%? Well, what the Conservatives have been arguing is

:29:51. > :29:55.they expect to do badly because they are in government. And by badly they

:29:56. > :29:58.mean doing a lot worse than the principal opposition. The truth is

:29:59. > :30:03.the Conservatives aren't doing that well, although they are not doing

:30:04. > :30:07.catastrophically badly. But their performance is roughly on a par,

:30:08. > :30:14.slightly worse with what they achieved in 2012, which you will

:30:15. > :30:16.remember occurred shortly after George Osborne's omnishambles budget

:30:17. > :30:20.which at the time was blamed for what was regarded as a relatively

:30:21. > :30:24.poor Conservative performance. The Conservatives are beginning to

:30:25. > :30:29.demonstrate evidence of a degree of midterm blues but they are not as

:30:30. > :30:34.serious as you would see an other occasions.

:30:35. > :30:41.Labour will say they are doing better than last year, making

:30:42. > :30:46.process. Yes, absolutely. And Mr Corbyn's critics will say it's not

:30:47. > :30:54.enough progress. It is simply not as good for Labour in 2012, it is also

:30:55. > :30:57.slightly less good than it was in 2011, the first year when Ed

:30:58. > :31:01.Miliband had to fight local elections as a leader. So the truth

:31:02. > :31:06.is, as is so often on these occasions, both sides will have

:31:07. > :31:11.evidence to support their argument. But on both sides the argument

:31:12. > :31:18.probably came before the evidence! Indeed! A final point, is there a

:31:19. > :31:23.Lib Dem revival? How well, how badly have Ukip done in relative terms? In

:31:24. > :31:30.truth, the Lib Dems have scraped themselves off the floor from the

:31:31. > :31:34.2015 election. Their worst performance since the founding of

:31:35. > :31:39.the party, with the amalgamation of the former Liberal Party and the

:31:40. > :31:47.SDP. But at 15%, they are still not doing as well as they did in 2011

:31:48. > :31:52.and 2012. When we got those results, we said, boy, oh boy, aren't the

:31:53. > :31:55.Liberal Democrats paying a big price for being in coalition with the

:31:56. > :32:00.Conservatives? Historically, they are meant to be the past masters of

:32:01. > :32:03.local government elections, percentages way into the 20s. They

:32:04. > :32:07.are still nothing like that. It has not been an election in which the

:32:08. > :32:14.party has done very much to rebuild its base. As far as Ukip are

:32:15. > :32:19.concerned, they can basically say, and we saw this in the Assembly

:32:20. > :32:23.elections in Wales, they have more or less hung on to what they

:32:24. > :32:27.achieved 12 months ago. And a member by historical standards, that was a

:32:28. > :32:31.phenomenal performance for a fourth party in England. But equally, they

:32:32. > :32:37.have not made much progress or exploited the EU referendum. Because

:32:38. > :32:44.of the first past the post system, it means they have only made about

:32:45. > :32:50.20 gains or so. Not a lot in terms of reward for the votes they have

:32:51. > :32:54.managed to achieve. John, thank you. Very interesting, the projected

:32:55. > :33:01.national share, Labour on 31, the Conservatives on 30, the Lib Dems on

:33:02. > :33:06.15, Ukip on 12, the others on 12. That is what would have happened in

:33:07. > :33:12.a general election based on the results in England. I raised that

:33:13. > :33:17.point with John Curtice, because 30% at this stage of the game... How

:33:18. > :33:24.would you grade it? As John says, it is roughly what we achieved in 2012

:33:25. > :33:28.and 2013, and we went on to win the election last year. It also reflects

:33:29. > :33:32.the fact we have a difficult mandate to continue fixing public finances,

:33:33. > :33:36.asking councils to deliver more for less, which they are doing. This is

:33:37. > :33:41.as much a vote on whether people think their local authorities are

:33:42. > :33:46.delivering. But you are also seeing, in key election battle ground places

:33:47. > :33:49.like Peterborough, Bury where we picked up seats, Nuneaton...

:33:50. > :33:54.Everyone will remember the Conservatives taking Nuneaton last

:33:55. > :33:58.year. We are doing well. So we are making progress. As John says, it is

:33:59. > :34:01.one after an election and we are bringing forward a challenging but

:34:02. > :34:06.sensible plan to get the country back on track, and that also gets

:34:07. > :34:09.reflected. Is it fair to say that you might have done better had you

:34:10. > :34:14.not been in a position where you have a budget which starts to

:34:15. > :34:19.unravel a bit, you have the Panama papers scandal, the Prime Minister

:34:20. > :34:23.having to defend that... It has been a turbulent time in terms of

:34:24. > :34:27.headlines for the party. The poll ratings are up since the budget, so

:34:28. > :34:30.I don't think that is right. I would reiterate, we are doing well in the

:34:31. > :34:35.key election battle ground seats, the places where we focused. For us,

:34:36. > :34:38.this is not only a real breakthrough moment in Scotland, but when you

:34:39. > :34:43.look at the rest of the country, particularly key places in England,

:34:44. > :34:47.we are doing well there. Except you haven't done well in those key

:34:48. > :34:50.places in England. Of course you have cited Peterborough because that

:34:51. > :34:53.is the only place you have done well. What about the councils were

:34:54. > :34:58.Labour were predicted to have terrible losses and lose councils, a

:34:59. > :35:01.string of them across the South? You have not capitalised on that. You

:35:02. > :35:08.haven't managed to excite the voters at all. I think that is slightly

:35:09. > :35:11.reverse psychology... Crawley, Southampton... None of these places

:35:12. > :35:16.the Conservatives could have made gains because they were predicted to

:35:17. > :35:20.lose them. We have worked hard in all of those places. In some key

:35:21. > :35:24.election battle grounds, we did very well. It tells you where the Labour

:35:25. > :35:29.Party is that the discussion is, even though we are bringing forward

:35:30. > :35:33.a challenging mandate for government, taking difficult

:35:34. > :35:37.decisions, actually the discussion is not about us being under

:35:38. > :35:40.pressure, it is actually about the fact we have put Labour under

:35:41. > :35:43.pressure. And in some places that pressure has come forward with more

:35:44. > :35:47.seats, in other places we have not quite managed it, but I am really

:35:48. > :35:52.proud of the work we have done. A huge amount of work by activists on

:35:53. > :35:55.the doorstep, finding out what people's issues are, making them

:35:56. > :36:01.their own and then starting to work actively on fixing them. You talk

:36:02. > :36:05.about Bury. In Bury North, a Conservative held seat, we would

:36:06. > :36:10.have won that if it was a general election. In Bolton West, we would

:36:11. > :36:17.have won that seat last night in a general election. In Bury South, you

:36:18. > :36:20.picked up one seat, I believe. In Bury North, the seat you currently

:36:21. > :36:25.hold, you would have lost it to us in a general election. The same in

:36:26. > :36:29.Bolton. In Swindon, marginal constituencies. We would have taken

:36:30. > :36:33.seats from you in Birmingham. You don't hold them at the moment but

:36:34. > :36:38.they tend to be seats which are competitive. We have held onto

:36:39. > :36:42.Hastings Council, a key seat that we fight very closely over at a general

:36:43. > :36:45.election. So your argument that we're not making progress in

:36:46. > :36:50.marginal constituencies which decide general election, I'm not sure

:36:51. > :36:58.stacks up. Jeremy Corbyn describe it as hanging on, rather than progress.

:36:59. > :37:06.Those were Hibs words. -- his words. What impact has the referendum had?

:37:07. > :37:12.I can genuinely say, having spent a lot of time on the doorstep, talking

:37:13. > :37:16.to voters, it has not, as an issue. People have seen Boris campaigning,

:37:17. > :37:21.the Prime Minister campaigning. -- it has not come up as an issue.

:37:22. > :37:25.People recognise that the EU referendum is hugely important. Now

:37:26. > :37:29.the local elections are out of the way, the voter attention will turn

:37:30. > :37:33.to that. But in terms of the fact that there are people on the

:37:34. > :37:35.Conservative Party on different sides of the referendum... The Prime

:37:36. > :37:40.Minister has been clear that people could take different sides and the

:37:41. > :37:46.voters have accepted that. Liam Fox was sitting in that chair many hours

:37:47. > :37:48.ago saying that he had been out canvassing and that all people

:37:49. > :37:54.wanted to talk about was the referendum. You are talking to

:37:55. > :37:59.different people! I was answering the question that whether

:38:00. > :38:04.Conservatives being different sides of the fence has made a difference,

:38:05. > :38:08.and it hasn't. Ukip have been the beneficiaries of a lot of the seat

:38:09. > :38:12.changes, haven't they? That can only be because of the debate about the

:38:13. > :38:17.EU referendum and whether we should remain or leave. I don't think

:38:18. > :38:21.that's quite right. In some places where they have done better, what

:38:22. > :38:26.you are seeing is them picking up seats from the Labour Party. There

:38:27. > :38:30.is a sense of Ukip, if you like, taking some of that protest vote,

:38:31. > :38:35.the disgruntlement that there is more broadly across Britain at the

:38:36. > :38:40.Labour Party. We are still waiting for more results to come in in

:38:41. > :38:45.London, the London Mayoral election. We will be talking more about this

:38:46. > :38:50.during the day, but, John, on the really very, very tough,

:38:51. > :38:54.controversial issue of allegations of anti-Semitism and the rest of it,

:38:55. > :39:01.which engulfed the Labour Party in this campaign, I am noting that Len

:39:02. > :39:06.McCluskey -- Len McCluskey said it was a cynical attempt to manipulate

:39:07. > :39:11.anti-Semitism for political aims. Is that your understanding of it?

:39:12. > :39:15.That's not what I would say. I have been in the Labour Party for 22

:39:16. > :39:19.years, since I was 15, we are not an anti-Semitic party. We are disgusted

:39:20. > :39:27.by anti-Semitism and we are resolute in our -- opposition to

:39:28. > :39:30.anti-Semitism. People tweeting disgusting anti-Semitic comments,

:39:31. > :39:33.they are suspended from the Labour Party and they will be looked at by

:39:34. > :39:37.the relevant committees of the Labour Party and dealt with. Also,

:39:38. > :39:42.one of the more high-profile individuals who was commenting

:39:43. > :39:45.recently... He has been suspended from the Labour Party as well, and

:39:46. > :39:50.the National Executive committee will look into it. Look, there is no

:39:51. > :39:54.place for anti-Semitism in the Labour Party. We are disgusted by

:39:55. > :40:00.it, we are opposed to it and we are taking it seriously. Do you think it

:40:01. > :40:05.had an impact on the campaign? Kezia Dugdale said it unquestionably had

:40:06. > :40:10.an effect. Of course it did. It was in the headlines for days. Talking

:40:11. > :40:13.about headlines, Fraser Nelson of the Spectator and Kevin Maguire of

:40:14. > :40:19.the Mirror, thank you for joining us. Your reading of the results and

:40:20. > :40:23.where it leaves the Conservative Party, first of all. This is

:40:24. > :40:27.obviously a great day for the Conservative Party in Scotland. The

:40:28. > :40:31.phrase Scottish Conservatives is no longer a contradiction in terms. An

:40:32. > :40:35.incredible victory by Ruth Davidson. To re-establish a base in rule

:40:36. > :40:40.Scotland, to become the official opposition in Holyrood, an

:40:41. > :40:44.incredible achievement. One that I think Labour did not expect to lose

:40:45. > :40:49.to the extent which they have. In England, much of a muchness. In

:40:50. > :40:54.Wales, Ukip seem to be the main winners. Ironically for Labour, it's

:40:55. > :40:58.not so bad that Jeremy Corbyn has to go. And Cameron cannot really take

:40:59. > :41:01.credit for Scotland because he never visited. Difficult to work out the

:41:02. > :41:06.overall winners and losers, apart from Ruth Davidson in Holyrood.

:41:07. > :41:12.Kevin, what is your reading of where Labour and Jeremy Corbyn stand

:41:13. > :41:17.today? Standing still. A very good result in Wales where it lost far

:41:18. > :41:24.fewer seats. Almost certainly going to win the London Mayor, a big plus

:41:25. > :41:30.for Labour, although Jeremy Corbyn did not play a large role in that

:41:31. > :41:33.campaign. In England, Norwich, councils in Exeter, Hastings,

:41:34. > :41:38.Crawley, it lost far fewer seats than was expected. Hardly a party

:41:39. > :41:44.moving forward and looking as if it is on the road to victory in a

:41:45. > :41:47.general election. Labour is still badly split. Jeremy Corbyn is not

:41:48. > :41:52.going to face a coup, but a lot of his MPs still believe he is not a

:41:53. > :41:56.credible leader. Fraser, we were talking about the referendum as a

:41:57. > :42:00.backdrop. To what extent did that play a part in this campaign?

:42:01. > :42:05.Judging by the Ukip vote, it does not seem to have played a big part

:42:06. > :42:09.at all. A few years ago, we were looking at huge Ukip gains in local

:42:10. > :42:13.authorities, and now they are not a player. Nigel Farage was talking

:42:14. > :42:16.about Scotland, but that was not the case in the European elections where

:42:17. > :42:20.they were the only party to gain seats in Scotland. But interesting

:42:21. > :42:23.how the voters have completely separated the issue of the

:42:24. > :42:28.referendum from the question in front of them in the various

:42:29. > :42:33.elections yesterday. Kevin, you touched on it there, but

:42:34. > :42:38.post-referendum, because that is clearly a very big milestone coming

:42:39. > :42:43.up, what is your sense now of the kind of mood within Labour today as

:42:44. > :42:46.far as the leadership is concerned? There is still a small group,

:42:47. > :42:50.several dozen MPs, who would like to mount a coup and topple Jeremy

:42:51. > :42:53.Corbyn. But they realise they haven't got support across the

:42:54. > :42:58.Parliamentary Labour Party and they won't have it amongst the party

:42:59. > :43:01.members in the country. If they somehow managed to trigger a

:43:02. > :43:04.leadership election, Jeremy Corbyn would win again. The most

:43:05. > :43:08.significant intervention today was Tom Watson, the deputy leader,

:43:09. > :43:13.saying, look, he has only been there eight months, you can't behave like

:43:14. > :43:17.this. It will not silence Jeremy Corbyn's critics, but they are

:43:18. > :43:24.weaker today than yesterday. I will turn to one of those critics now,

:43:25. > :43:29.the Labour MP in Leeds. Michael, your sense of where you are today.

:43:30. > :43:35.All of the Labour Party now needs to come together and reflect on what

:43:36. > :43:42.was a huge set of results. Every corner of the country, Ireland in a

:43:43. > :43:48.meeting a few weeks ago, everyone, everywhere will have a vote for

:43:49. > :43:53.something. -- I was in a meeting. A big test for Jeremy. He won the

:43:54. > :43:56.leadership election with a strong mandate, but we should also

:43:57. > :44:01.understand that mandate. It was a mandate to win power, and looking at

:44:02. > :44:06.these results today we can say, are we on a trajectory towards winning a

:44:07. > :44:11.future general election? I am afraid I am not convinced we are at the

:44:12. > :44:13.moment. That ought to be alarming for those of us in the Labour Party

:44:14. > :44:17.that see the disarray in the Conservatives. I think this is the

:44:18. > :44:23.worst Conservative government I can remember since Major in the bid 90s.

:44:24. > :44:27.We should be storming ahead at the moment and that is not the feedback

:44:28. > :44:30.we were getting on the doorstep. -- the mid-90s. The party has to come

:44:31. > :44:36.together and reflect on these results. Let's remind viewers of

:44:37. > :44:42.what John McDonnell, the Shadow Chancellor, said earlier today.

:44:43. > :44:46.What is your response to that, because you are still making the

:44:47. > :44:51.case that you don't think Labour's on the path to power. Well, I think

:44:52. > :44:55.it was Jeremy Corbyn who talked about having a party where we could

:44:56. > :44:58.have debates and where there's room for a little dissent. I know he's

:44:59. > :45:01.rather gone off the idea of late, but it is really important when

:45:02. > :45:07.you've had a big set of election results like this. If you look in

:45:08. > :45:11.Scotland, Jeremy and John McDonnell were clear that the anti-austerity

:45:12. > :45:15.hard left message, anti-Trident that was in the Scottish manifesto, that

:45:16. > :45:19.will be the key to transforming our fortunes in Scotland. And we

:45:20. > :45:23.finished third behind the Conservatives. We've gone backwards

:45:24. > :45:27.in Wales. In England no Leader of the Opposition has gone on the win a

:45:28. > :45:31.general election without making gains in local elections. Average

:45:32. > :45:34.gains in local elections for a Leader of the Opposition in a

:45:35. > :45:39.non-general election year are over 400. If you are going to win a

:45:40. > :45:48.general election it is over 500. We haven't come anywhere near those

:45:49. > :45:53.results, so I don't think I would respond by putting our fingers in

:45:54. > :45:56.our ears. We have to listen to our members, particularly those knocking

:45:57. > :46:00.on doors and our hard-working councillors. I'm sorry for those who

:46:01. > :46:05.lost their seats. And those fighting council seats where we should have

:46:06. > :46:10.won. We should be listening to all of those people and coming together.

:46:11. > :46:13.I hope that's what all of us can do in the coming weeks as well as

:46:14. > :46:17.fighting that EU referendum which is so critical for the country.

:46:18. > :46:24.Michael, I want to bring in Jo Coburn. Michael, your colleague John

:46:25. > :46:30.Trickett, on the projected national share, which put Labour ahead of the

:46:31. > :46:34.Tories by a small margin. He says fantastic news for Jeremy Corbyn's

:46:35. > :46:41.Labour, the first test in a lip and we've beaten the Tories. What do you

:46:42. > :46:45.say to him? It is a good try, John, but it's not fantastic news. Those

:46:46. > :46:48.of hews knocked on a lot of doors, as I did, know the reception on the

:46:49. > :46:54.doorstep. Look at the result in Scotland. Look at us going backwards

:46:55. > :46:58.in Wales. Look at our inability to make gains in England. It is not a

:46:59. > :47:01.fantastic result. Of course we should be doing better. What is the

:47:02. > :47:05.Labour Party for? We were founded so that we could get into Parliament,

:47:06. > :47:09.form majorities, form governments so we could deliver for the people we

:47:10. > :47:13.are in politics to serve. This is not a gain. There are very, very

:47:14. > :47:17.high stakes here. We've got to have a Labour Party that can defeat the

:47:18. > :47:21.Conservatives. I'm afraid at the moment there just isn't the evidence

:47:22. > :47:25.that that's happening. I think there should be alarm bells ringing at the

:47:26. > :47:31.moment. What we need to do is to come together and focus on the

:47:32. > :47:34.results. Why is there an 11% swing against Labour in Nuneaton? That was

:47:35. > :47:38.the moment a year ago when we knew we lost the general election. We

:47:39. > :47:42.have not done this badly in local elections since 1985. We went on to

:47:43. > :47:46.win two general elections after that. My constituents in Barnsley

:47:47. > :47:51.can't afford more Conservative Government, so we've got to get our

:47:52. > :47:55.act together. But are you calling for everybody to rally behind Jeremy

:47:56. > :48:02.Corbyn when you say you need to be united? We have to do two things.

:48:03. > :48:03.First, come together behind that EU referendum campaign. That's

:48:04. > :48:17.critically important for the country. The second thing, we can

:48:18. > :48:21.have debates about opinion polls but we have to reflect on the verdict

:48:22. > :48:25.the country has delivered. We are clearly not on a trajectory to win

:48:26. > :48:29.the general election. But my question was, should you unify

:48:30. > :48:35.behind Jeremy Corbyn now? I think we have to ahead of that EU referendum.

:48:36. > :48:41.But I hope hasful that all of but I hope that all of the party can get

:48:42. > :48:46.the focus on the people again. It is no good getting people on the demo,

:48:47. > :48:51.filling meeting halls and talking among ourselves. Unless it transfers

:48:52. > :48:55.into real support from ordinary British working people who

:48:56. > :48:59.desperately need a Labour Government, that we convince them,

:49:00. > :49:02.that they can put their trust in us the, that the issues that are

:49:03. > :49:08.important to them are important to us as well. We haven't done that I'm

:49:09. > :49:12.afraid in recent months. Michael Dugher, thank you. Bringing are up

:49:13. > :49:18.the issue of the referendum that's coming up. It is a good moment to

:49:19. > :49:22.bring in Ukip's leader in Wales, Nathan Gill. Congratulations on your

:49:23. > :49:27.results overnight. Thank you Huw. You are in Bangor in North Wales.

:49:28. > :49:31.Your response to the fact that Ukip now for the first time has a

:49:32. > :49:35.representation of I think 7 seats in the National Assembly. That's

:49:36. > :49:43.correct. We are over the Moon. We aimed to ensure that everybody in

:49:44. > :49:48.Wales had a Ukip AM to represent them, which went... We got two in

:49:49. > :49:52.North Wales and two in South Wales East, which has given us seven.

:49:53. > :49:58.We've gone from zero to seven. We are the first party since the

:49:59. > :50:04.creation of the Welsh Assembly to get in there afresh. We think we've

:50:05. > :50:10.done very well last night. How are you going to work with people like

:50:11. > :50:14.Neil Hamilton and Mark Reckless. When you were asked about the

:50:15. > :50:18.selection of these people you said it wasn't be ideal, it wouldn't be

:50:19. > :50:23.your choice. How are you going to form a relationship with them now

:50:24. > :50:27.you have to work with them? Well, we are big boys. We can put thing

:50:28. > :50:31.behind us. We've got goals we want to achieve. We are in politics for a

:50:32. > :50:35.reason, because we want to do something good with our time as

:50:36. > :50:39.politicians. Not squabble or fight. Fight. We've put that behind us.

:50:40. > :50:43.We've got behind each of the candidates. Behind our manifesto.

:50:44. > :50:46.We've moved forward and we've been very successful in this campaign. It

:50:47. > :50:52.is difficult when for example the wife of one of your colleagues

:50:53. > :50:58.called you a third rate general. That's not exactly being subtle. I'm

:50:59. > :51:03.just asking how you are going to knit together as a team. There's a

:51:04. > :51:08.lot of scepticism about how you will achieve that? There may be, but

:51:09. > :51:13.every time we meet we get on well. We are united behind a common core.

:51:14. > :51:21.That's how we'll knit together. What are you hoping to achieve there?

:51:22. > :51:25.Let's talk about policy. Give than we are looking at another five years

:51:26. > :51:29.of a Labour Government in Cardiff. Absolutely, but they are in a

:51:30. > :51:33.minority, so they are going to have to do a deal with somebody. We are

:51:34. > :51:37.not saying they'll have to do a deal with us specifically, but there are

:51:38. > :51:39.many things we want to stand up for. For instance the devolution

:51:40. > :51:43.settlement. We are absolutely opposed to the creation of more AMs,

:51:44. > :51:48.more Assembly Members. Which is what Labour wants to do. The other thing

:51:49. > :51:51.we really stand against and we are going to be a strong voice in that

:51:52. > :51:55.Assembly about is tax-raising powers. In 2011, and I'm sure you

:51:56. > :52:03.will remember this Huw, coming from Wales, when we had that referendum

:52:04. > :52:08.on further powers, the First Minister said specifically there

:52:09. > :52:12.would not, that a "yes" vote would not lead to tax-raising powers. Now

:52:13. > :52:15.there is that cosy consensus they all want us to have those

:52:16. > :52:19.tax-raising powers without a referendum. What we are saying is

:52:20. > :52:24.no, you must do that promise that you said and give the meme of Wales

:52:25. > :52:29.a referendum on tax-raising powers. There is lots of areas. We've got

:52:30. > :52:34.the elections next year for every single council in Wales. Again,

:52:35. > :52:39.Labour want to reduce the number of councils from 22 to possibly 8. We

:52:40. > :52:42.think this is an attack against democracy and local democracy, so we

:52:43. > :52:47.need to ensure that this doesn't happen as well. Nathan Gill, nice to

:52:48. > :52:53.talk to you. Thank you for coming in. You're welcome. That's the Ukip

:52:54. > :52:56.leader in Wales. A very important moment in Welsh politics, because

:52:57. > :53:01.they have representation in the rebel Assembly for the very first

:53:02. > :53:05.time. Nigel Farage has been underlining that as one of their

:53:06. > :53:09.principal achievements of the entire set of elections we've been through.

:53:10. > :53:13.Through. Natalie Bennett is here from the Green Party. Good

:53:14. > :53:19.afternoon. We'll come to you for in a second. Emily, if you can tell us

:53:20. > :53:23.more about the Green performance and I can talk to Natalie about that.

:53:24. > :53:29.They haven't had a great night, to be honest, Huw. I want to take you

:53:30. > :53:33.into a few individual ones in English councils, and Norwich. Can

:53:34. > :53:38.Labour hold off a Green challenge? The answer is a stark yes for

:53:39. > :53:44.Labour. They are on a majority of 13. The Greens are in second on 10.

:53:45. > :53:48.Overnight you can see losses for the Greens. They are down in a part of

:53:49. > :53:54.the world where we would expect and hope to do pretty well. Let me show

:53:55. > :53:59.you a similar pattern in Oxford, where the Greens have been quite

:54:00. > :54:03.strong. Labour in pole position on a majority of 20. If you look at the

:54:04. > :54:06.Greens, they are falling. They are down two. Select Committee have

:54:07. > :54:09.seats, they are a presence on that council but they are down again. A

:54:10. > :54:14.different story, however, in Solihull. Here you see it is a

:54:15. > :54:19.Conservative council. They are holding it with a majority of 13.

:54:20. > :54:24.And there are modest gains, just one. No movement on the council

:54:25. > :54:30.except for that gain for the Greens. I know you are going to talk to

:54:31. > :54:33.Natalie Bennett. It hasn't been an overwhelming success for the Greens.

:54:34. > :54:41.Patches of light but nothing spectacular. Emily. Thank you. Is

:54:42. > :54:44.that fair Natalie? . I'm disappointed to lose some great

:54:45. > :54:50.councillors in Oxford and Norwich. But if you look at the West

:54:51. > :54:54.Midlands, one of our councillors got 75% of the vote, a ringing

:54:55. > :55:01.endorsement. Worcester Council, people have been hearing all through

:55:02. > :55:06.the night it fell from Tory to no overall control. Louis Steven

:55:07. > :55:10.brought a brilliant campaign with the Tories throwing everything but

:55:11. > :55:16.the kitchen sink at it, and he won that seat. We are looking at the

:55:17. > :55:22.Scottish Greens, who rememberled their representation in Holyrood.

:55:23. > :55:25.Andy Wainwright is a real campaign reform early. Ross will be the

:55:26. > :55:30.youngest MSP in the Scottish Parliament. We are still waiting to

:55:31. > :55:36.hear the final result but it is looking good in London, where

:55:37. > :55:39.Rebecca Sian Berry's positive campaign, who has good ideas to

:55:40. > :55:44.improve the life of people if London. That's resonated and done

:55:45. > :55:49.very well. What achievement are you looking at in London in terms of

:55:50. > :55:54.your share or your position? There are still votes to count, but it

:55:55. > :56:00.looks increasingly likely that Sian will finish a clear third in that

:56:01. > :56:04.election, which follows from the achievement of Jenny Jones in the

:56:05. > :56:08.last election. In the Assembly it looks like we'll finish a clear

:56:09. > :56:12.third as well. I remember Sian said there were high expectations in

:56:13. > :56:17.terms of her performance. The challenge there being against a

:56:18. > :56:22.notably green campaigner in Zac Goldsmith, which lots of people have

:56:23. > :56:27.made a big deal of. And in a way according to quite a few of

:56:28. > :56:33.commentaries, the that's marginalised, not my word, but used

:56:34. > :56:38.by some commentators, marginalised the Green campaign. Is that your

:56:39. > :56:47.sense of it? You were up against someone who made such a play on his

:56:48. > :56:51.Green credentials. Someone said Zac Goldsmith's campaign was 99% Lynton

:56:52. > :56:57.Crosby and 1% ecologist. Sian, whether it is in terms of housing,

:56:58. > :57:01.trying to provide affordable housing for Londoners, or the single TfL

:57:02. > :57:06.ticket, ideas to tackle air pollution, things that would really

:57:07. > :57:09.improve the lives of Londoners. We are seeing Londoners voting in

:57:10. > :57:20.response to that. I'm getting a note from curt that. I'm getting a note

:57:21. > :57:25.-- from John Curtice. He said the Greens have a party net loss of four

:57:26. > :57:30.seats. John says I think this has to be seen as a disappointing night

:57:31. > :57:32.after maintaining support in opinion polls from the general election.

:57:33. > :57:37.Would you refute that? One of the things we have to do is wait and

:57:38. > :57:41.see. Bristol, in Bristol West we had a 23% swing to us in the general

:57:42. > :57:46.election. They are not counting the council seats until Sunday. We

:57:47. > :57:51.haven't had results yesterday from Stroud, an area of Green Party

:57:52. > :57:56.strength. That figure may well change in the end result. Rochford

:57:57. > :57:59.District Council in Essex, we've had another gain, which probably updates

:58:00. > :58:05.that figure which you might not have yet. I'm bound to ask, how sensitive

:58:06. > :58:09.are you to criticism about your role and performance as leader and could

:58:10. > :58:13.the Greens, as some have suggested, have done better under a different

:58:14. > :58:20.kind of leader? I think if you look at my record as Green Party leader,

:58:21. > :58:26.when we started we had 12,000 members, and now have 60,000

:58:27. > :58:30.members, a fivefold increase. Before the general election I said let's

:58:31. > :58:35.set a challenge of standing in 75% of seats. We stood in 93% of seats.

:58:36. > :58:42.The Green Party has come a long way. In terms of the share of the vote

:58:43. > :58:48.between Labour and Tory, it hit historic lows. The march tomorrow on

:58:49. > :58:51.electoral reform, first past the post system, whether in local

:58:52. > :58:56.councils or Westminster is clearly no longer fit for purpose. Why do

:58:57. > :58:59.you think it was more disappointing in English councils? Councils? What

:59:00. > :59:04.do you think was behind that? I think if you look at what happens,

:59:05. > :59:08.we've done well in the West Midlands, where 27 councillors on 11

:59:09. > :59:13.councils, we are representing in every council there. Where we've

:59:14. > :59:16.struggled and lost really good councillors in places like Oxford

:59:17. > :59:20.and Norwich... Which were your strongholds. Because of the

:59:21. > :59:24.first-past-the-post electoral system, in both cases you've got a

:59:25. > :59:27.large Labour majority council, and they've got seats they know are

:59:28. > :59:32.safe, so they are able to focus all the fire power as the Greens on the

:59:33. > :59:36.opposition. This isn't unique to the Green Party. This is true in places

:59:37. > :59:38.up and down the country, where someone has a one-party

:59:39. > :59:42.state-typeset-up it is hard for other parties to get a foothold. We

:59:43. > :59:46.did a lot of work in Manchester, but it is still very much a one-party

:59:47. > :59:50.state. Do you think the Jeremy Corbyn impacts has taken some of

:59:51. > :59:54.your Green support, because they feel, there's a man we can do

:59:55. > :59:59.business with? I think Norwich is an example of this, I think it is

:00:00. > :00:05.perhaps the Clive Lewis effect in Norwich. He is a popular local MP

:00:06. > :00:10.and that's helped galvanise Labour campaigners. We've got a look at how

:00:11. > :00:15.we can tackle this. We are not despondent. People are saying look

:00:16. > :00:17.at what we can achieve, look at how we can go forward, look at the West

:00:18. > :00:19.Midlands. Natalie, thank you. Just coming up to three o'clock. The

:00:20. > :00:32.weather now. Good afternoon. Much talk across the

:00:33. > :00:37.programme about Scotland. Straight away to the western side, things a

:00:38. > :00:42.little bit improved on yesterday. The weather is not looking bad for

:00:43. > :00:47.many of us. A bit more cloud than of late across England and Wales. A

:00:48. > :00:51.decent enough day. Watch out for the pollen levels, pretty high at the

:00:52. > :00:56.moment. And also the UV has been high. Not such a problem across the

:00:57. > :01:02.eastern side of Scotland, where we have had more cloud. If you are

:01:03. > :01:08.stepping out later on for an evening walk, temperatures having reached

:01:09. > :01:15.23-24, they will still be around 20 across London. A bit cooler around

:01:16. > :01:18.the coast. Into the North of England, that is where the

:01:19. > :01:22.temperatures begin to fall away. Northern Ireland, the greater part

:01:23. > :01:29.of Scotland. Although quite a pleasant evening in prospect for

:01:30. > :01:33.Glasgow. Overnight, we will keep the warm air pumping up from the south

:01:34. > :01:38.around the area of low pressure, but notice the low pressure begins to

:01:39. > :01:42.close on us. Quite a close night across the southern British Isles. A

:01:43. > :01:45.bit fresher further north. We will start to see the first signs of this

:01:46. > :01:49.more disturbed weather beginning to get into the south-western Court of

:01:50. > :01:54.the British Isles through the day on Saturday. It will big grin to

:01:55. > :02:00.migrate further north. The timings are bit uncertain. -- it will begin.

:02:01. > :02:03.Heavy on thundery weather, some hail as well, particularly late on as the

:02:04. > :02:08.heat begins to percolate into the Derbyshire Peaks and the southern

:02:09. > :02:11.Pennines on a warm day across England and Wales. Less so across

:02:12. > :02:23.Northern Ireland and Scotland. Not helped by the onshore breeze. 10-11,

:02:24. > :02:26.as with today, on the coast. And also low cloud to the eastern side

:02:27. > :02:32.of Scotland and the north-east of England. Come Sunday, we will start

:02:33. > :02:35.to push the rain away from the Western Isles eventually. Behind

:02:36. > :02:39.that, the chance of isolated showers, but no less intense for

:02:40. > :02:43.that. You will really begin to notice, especially through the spine

:02:44. > :02:47.of the British Isles and even into southern Scotland and Northern

:02:48. > :02:53.Ireland, you will have found several degrees. Many areas pushing towards

:02:54. > :03:05.20 degrees. Towards the south-east, you could be looking at 26-27.

:03:06. > :03:09.Welcome back to the BBC Election Centre. We are here throughout the

:03:10. > :03:14.afternoon bringing you up-to-date with what is happening around the

:03:15. > :03:19.country. A few headlines. It is an historic third victory for the

:03:20. > :03:23.Scottish National Party in the Scottish Parliamentary elections.

:03:24. > :03:26.The SNP's Nicola Sturgeon, the First Minister, says she will not seek any

:03:27. > :03:30.formal arrangement with any other part is, after falling two seats

:03:31. > :03:36.short of an overall majority this time. -- parties. An excellent night

:03:37. > :03:39.also for the Scottish Conservatives and their leader Ruth Davidson, who

:03:40. > :03:46.won a seat in Edinburgh Central. Other gains too in Scotland, moving

:03:47. > :03:50.up into second and the main opposition. A different story for

:03:51. > :03:55.the Scottish Labour Party, pushed into third. A disappointing result

:03:56. > :04:00.for Scottish Labour. We talked to Kezia Dugdale a while ago. But a

:04:01. > :04:04.very different story for Labour in Wales, winning 29 seats in the

:04:05. > :04:10.National Assembly. They will hold onto power in Cardiff. A much better

:04:11. > :04:15.result, it's fair to say, than many in Welsh Labour had been predicting.

:04:16. > :04:19.A good night for Ukip in Wales, there's Neil Hamilton. Seven Ukip

:04:20. > :04:24.members of the National Assembly, the first party representation in

:04:25. > :04:29.the Assembly in Cardiff. Plaid Cymru, well, Leanne Wood, the party

:04:30. > :04:33.leader, had a dramatic win in Rhondda, an ceding, but elsewhere

:04:34. > :04:39.the party did not make the gains it was trying to make. -- on seating

:04:40. > :04:42.Labour. Jeremy Corbyn said predictions that his party would

:04:43. > :04:47.lose councils have not come true. He said Labour had been growing their

:04:48. > :04:52.support. We saw David Cameron in Peterborough earlier today. He says

:04:53. > :04:59.what might have been a day of bread for him as a sitting Prime Minister

:05:00. > :05:02.has not materialised. -- dread. He said Labour have lost sight of the

:05:03. > :05:06.people they are supposed to represent. Votes are still being

:05:07. > :05:12.counted in City Hall on the banks of the Thames in the race for the

:05:13. > :05:17.London Assembly and in the contest for the Mayor of London. In that

:05:18. > :05:21.race, with most of the first preference votes counted, Labour's

:05:22. > :05:29.Sadiq Khan has a sizeable lead over the Conservatives Zac Goldsmith.

:05:30. > :05:36.With me in the studio, Jo Coburn is still with me, Justine Greening for

:05:37. > :05:40.the Conservatives, Jon Ashworth for Labour, and Ken Livingstone the

:05:41. > :05:44.former mail of London is with us. -- Joanne Ashworth.

:05:45. > :05:56.Results are still awaited in a number of polls, including the

:05:57. > :05:59.campaign to be Mayor of London. In most of the votes for Police and

:06:00. > :06:02.Crime Commissioners and Northern Ireland for the Stormont assembly.

:06:03. > :06:05.Here is our political correspondent Carole Walker with a round-up of

:06:06. > :06:11.everything we know so far. A third term in power

:06:12. > :06:12.for Nicola Sturgeon. Although the SNP fell just short

:06:13. > :06:15.of an overall majority, the result confirms the party's grip

:06:16. > :06:17.on politics in Scotland. The result of the

:06:18. > :06:19.election was emphatic. The people of Scotland once again

:06:20. > :06:22.placed their trust in the SNP We won a clear and unequivocal

:06:23. > :06:32.mandate and I secured the personal mandate I sought to implement

:06:33. > :06:37.the bold and ambitious programme for government that I asked

:06:38. > :06:41.the country to vote for. But the Conservative leader,

:06:42. > :06:44.Ruth Davidson, had reason to be cheerful too, winning

:06:45. > :06:48.Edinburgh Central and overtaking Labour to become the second

:06:49. > :06:52.largest party at Holyrood. The beleaguered Liberal Democrats

:06:53. > :06:56.retained their five seats in Scotland, but the result

:06:57. > :07:03.was a serious blow for Labour with the former party

:07:04. > :07:05.leader Johann Lamont one The current leader, Kezia Dugdale,

:07:06. > :07:10.said she was heartbroken that her party had been pushed

:07:11. > :07:13.into third place but said she would Jeremy Corbyn went to Sheffield

:07:14. > :07:18.to congratulate one of two new Labour MPs, Gill Furniss,

:07:19. > :07:22.who won the by-election caused These elections are being seen

:07:23. > :07:28.as a test of Mr Corbyn's leadership. We were getting predictions that

:07:29. > :07:31.Labour would lose councils but we didn't, we hung

:07:32. > :07:34.on and we grew support And there are a lot

:07:35. > :07:44.more results to come. Labour hung onto some councils

:07:45. > :07:46.considered vulnerable in their northern heartlands

:07:47. > :07:49.and retained control of Southampton But critics say the party should

:07:50. > :07:54.have done much better. It was a really disappointing night

:07:55. > :07:57.for all those Labour activists who have been campaigning for months

:07:58. > :08:00.and Jeremy needs to take responsibility

:08:01. > :08:06.for a poor performance. For goodness sake, get behind

:08:07. > :08:09.the leader of the Labour Party who was democratically elected,

:08:10. > :08:12.it is time to put up or shut up. David Cameron knew it would never be

:08:13. > :08:16.easy for the Conservatives to fight elections while his ministers

:08:17. > :08:19.were openly disagreeing over Europe. But in Peterborough,

:08:20. > :08:22.where the Tories took control, he said the modest gains represented

:08:23. > :08:26.a great day for the Tories overall. Election day for sitting prime

:08:27. > :08:31.ministers is meant to be a day of dread, when you are sitting

:08:32. > :08:34.there waiting for somebody to knock on the door like a condemned man

:08:35. > :08:37.waiting for the hangman. But that was not what it was like

:08:38. > :08:40.last night or today. We have held councils right

:08:41. > :08:44.across the country. Ukip has gained at least 20 seats

:08:45. > :08:47.in England and won seven seats in Wales, depriving Labour

:08:48. > :08:50.of an overall majority. Votes are still being counted

:08:51. > :08:55.in London and elsewhere. But already these elections

:08:56. > :08:58.are providing an important snapshot of public opinion a year

:08:59. > :09:00.after the general election. Carole Walker, BBC News,

:09:01. > :09:06.Westminster. In other news, the management buyout

:09:07. > :09:09.team Excalibur has said it hopes to secure funding to rescue

:09:10. > :09:12.Tata Steel's UK It's to meet bankers next Friday

:09:13. > :09:20.for talks about financing a deal. But Excalibur says any buyout

:09:21. > :09:38.proposal is likely to involve The Government has made a

:09:39. > :09:42.significant concession in its bid to compel schools to become academies.

:09:43. > :09:46.Good and outstanding schools will no longer have to convert, and in rural

:09:47. > :09:49.areas local authorities will have a say before a decision to close

:09:50. > :09:54.schools. And no small rural schools will be forced to join a

:09:55. > :09:57.multi-academy trust. It is thought these changes to legislation,

:09:58. > :10:02.planned for the autumn, will satisfy the main concerns of Conservative

:10:03. > :10:06.backbench MPs. Rescuers are searching for a man

:10:07. > :10:08.missing after shelving collapsed at a food distribution

:10:09. > :10:10.warehouse in Shropshire. Specialist sniffer dogs and drones

:10:11. > :10:15.are being used to try and find the worker,

:10:16. > :10:17.after units full Firefighters are cutting

:10:18. > :10:20.through the roof of the building It's not known why

:10:21. > :10:36.the shelving came down. We are going to pick up on the story

:10:37. > :10:40.that Jane mentioned briefly, which is the change, potentially a very

:10:41. > :10:44.significant change, to the Government policy on making schools

:10:45. > :10:47.in England become academies. Plan when Jefferies, our education

:10:48. > :10:53.editor, is in Loughborough, where Nicky Morgan was talking. You have

:10:54. > :11:00.discovered what is going on. Tell us what the intention is. Huw, I have

:11:01. > :11:03.just been speaking to Nicky Morgan at her constituency office. It is

:11:04. > :11:07.clear the Government is making a very significant U-turn on one of

:11:08. > :11:12.the key components of its controversial academy plans. It is

:11:13. > :11:15.dropping the part of its plans which would force good or outstanding

:11:16. > :11:20.schools in England to become academies whether they wanted to or

:11:21. > :11:25.not, by 2022. That deadline becomes more of an aspiration, which leaves

:11:26. > :11:31.open the possibility that in some areas, good schools could still be

:11:32. > :11:36.overseen by local authorities. And there is another key concession too,

:11:37. > :11:43.significant movement on what happens to small village schools. One of the

:11:44. > :11:45.key concerns for rural MPs for Conservative backbenchers. There,

:11:46. > :11:49.the local authority will be able to have a say in whether or not a small

:11:50. > :11:56.school would close. A significant concession because it means there is

:11:57. > :11:58.still a degree of local democratic accountability in the

:11:59. > :12:03.decision-making about these much loved small schools. Just a thought

:12:04. > :12:06.from you on what has led to this U-turn, as you put it, and whether

:12:07. > :12:13.the changes you have now outlined to us will be enough to really answer

:12:14. > :12:15.some of the concerns that some Conservative MPs and local

:12:16. > :12:24.authorities have been expressing in recent weeks. Huw, the brutal

:12:25. > :12:27.reality was that in their current form there was no way they were

:12:28. > :12:31.going to be able to get these plans through Parliament. So many

:12:32. > :12:35.backbench MPs had been speaking about concerns, asking the questions

:12:36. > :12:40.about good schools, if it is not broke, why fix it? Why intervene

:12:41. > :12:44.where things are working well and the local authorities are supporting

:12:45. > :12:48.schools to provide a good education for their pupils? That element of

:12:49. > :12:52.compulsion was the key concern of everyone I have spoken to. Something

:12:53. > :12:57.else happening behind-the-scenes too, many people who were supporters

:12:58. > :13:00.of the idea of the academy programme, who believe it can offer

:13:01. > :13:04.the potential for schools to improve, were also beginning to

:13:05. > :13:09.privately voiced their concerns. And of course, now we are past the local

:13:10. > :13:13.elections, there was the possibility that many more councillors and MPs

:13:14. > :13:18.would have felt able to voice their concerns if the Government hadn't

:13:19. > :13:20.given significant ground. Very interesting, thank you for bringing

:13:21. > :13:25.that story to us. Can I point out that she was reporting from School

:13:26. > :13:32.Street in Loughborough, the location was ideal!

:13:33. > :13:40.Justine, our education editor says it is a U-turn, a significant

:13:41. > :13:43.concession. Does it surprise you? Nikki was clear that she understood

:13:44. > :13:49.the concerns people were expressing were genuine. We will have to see

:13:50. > :13:56.what the details. The sense is clearly that, over the past 60

:13:57. > :14:02.years, 1.2 million more children in good and outstanding schools. -- the

:14:03. > :14:06.past six years. The plan is to keep the positive elements of the overall

:14:07. > :14:11.proposal on academies, which has seen us free up the system so

:14:12. > :14:15.parents have more chance to get their children in a school that

:14:16. > :14:20.works for them. Giving teachers more freedom but at the same time raising

:14:21. > :14:23.standards. Keeping that a sick principle in place, it has seen more

:14:24. > :14:30.children in good and outstanding schools. -- basic principle. But we

:14:31. > :14:34.need to work with local communities and go at a pace that works for

:14:35. > :14:39.them. And focus particularly on areas that need to improve first,

:14:40. > :14:44.and then come to the ones that are already doing a better job perhaps

:14:45. > :14:47.after that. Some words from Nicky Morgan now. This will give us a

:14:48. > :15:03.sense... In other words that element of

:15:04. > :15:08.choice goes in there, so it's official. Jo, for you how

:15:09. > :15:12.significant is that? It is a massive climbdown. Only last week we were

:15:13. > :15:17.talking to Ministers in the department and in the Government

:15:18. > :15:22.saying that this was a central plank of your education policy. To compel

:15:23. > :15:26.schools, even if they were good or outstanding, even if they were

:15:27. > :15:33.successful rural schools, you were going to compel them by 2022 to

:15:34. > :15:40.become academies. It is a massive climbdown because you weren't strong

:15:41. > :15:45.enough to push it through. I think Nicky Morgan has listened to the

:15:46. > :15:49.concerning with raised and is reflecting those. Those. We are

:15:50. > :15:53.trying to have a schools system that's better placed to drive

:15:54. > :15:58.excellence whilst at the same time making sure there are more and

:15:59. > :16:04.different and new schools out there that can enable parents to find the

:16:05. > :16:09.right school for their child. That's what the Academy system and free

:16:10. > :16:16.schools will do. You're an experienced politician, why did the

:16:17. > :16:20.plans get to that stage, launched with such prop innocence, if you had

:16:21. > :16:26.done all the right work they wouldn't have got to that stage, so

:16:27. > :16:30.you must ask questions about the process that went up to that. The

:16:31. > :16:34.there was a huge amount of work has went into the white paper. But just

:16:35. > :16:39.asking people, they would have said happily, we are not happy with it.

:16:40. > :16:44.There was a huge amount of work that went into the white paper. It

:16:45. > :16:49.doesn't matter how much work you put in, in the end the only real way you

:16:50. > :16:52.will find out what the broad spectrum of opinion is is once it

:16:53. > :16:56.gets published and the debate begins. This was a proposal which I

:16:57. > :17:01.think essentially we are sticking to. It keeps at its core this point

:17:02. > :17:05.where we think that academies and freeing up the school system is the

:17:06. > :17:10.best way to ensure improved standards. We've seen over the last

:17:11. > :17:16.five or six children, more children, 5 or million in good or outstanding

:17:17. > :17:20.schools. This is a approach with real, positive benefits for

:17:21. > :17:24.children's schools. We want to pragmatically recognise that people

:17:25. > :17:32.had genuine concerns and it is sensible to take those on boards. It

:17:33. > :17:35.is difficult to square what you said about standards, when 30-35 local

:17:36. > :17:41.authorities said they didn't think this plan would lead to better

:17:42. > :17:45.standards. That is a direct contradiction of the rationale for

:17:46. > :17:50.the thing in the first place. When your own colleagues in local

:17:51. > :17:55.authority say sorry, not just one or two local authorities but 37

:17:56. > :18:02.actually, when they say it is not going to work, you weren't listening

:18:03. > :18:08.in the preparatorily stages. I don't think that's right. As an imagine

:18:09. > :18:12.who represents a London seat, we've seen dramatic improvements in London

:18:13. > :18:16.schools. Academies have been able to change schools that were in special

:18:17. > :18:20.%s, I had one in my constituency, and free schools. Clearly they are

:18:21. > :18:22.central to how we've improved standards. I think what local

:18:23. > :18:26.authorities were also saying is there are other things that local

:18:27. > :18:28.authorities have done that have contributed and where schools

:18:29. > :18:32.already at a level where they are improving and they are go or

:18:33. > :18:36.outstanding, what they are saying is the focus of the Government needs to

:18:37. > :18:41.be on the areas that are still letting down children, and that's

:18:42. > :18:45.quite right. I was ren, and that's quite right. I was just going to say

:18:46. > :18:48.- sorry to interrupt. Let's focus once again on more results on the

:18:49. > :18:54.London Assembly and the mayoral election. I think we have some

:18:55. > :18:58.images of Sadiq Khan, should is out and about today, the Labour

:18:59. > :19:03.candidate. It is a fantastic day, the sun is shining.

:19:04. > :19:08.REPORTER: Are you feeling confident? I'm the least complacent person you

:19:09. > :19:14.will find but I am enjoying the good weather today. You must be nervous.

:19:15. > :19:20.I'm always nervous. Has it been the last 24 hours, has it been crazy? I

:19:21. > :19:23.love the campaign. I always enjoy talking to Londoners, listening to

:19:24. > :19:27.Londoners, and the last 24 hours have been fantastic. Nationally for

:19:28. > :19:33.Labour, I think a lot of hopes are pinned on you now aren't there? I'm

:19:34. > :19:38.focusing on making sure I enjoy the good weather. I'm looking forward

:19:39. > :19:43.to, are you OK? I'm looking forward to the count later on. And Barnet,

:19:44. > :19:50.do you think that might prove to be an issue. Let's wait and see.

:19:51. > :19:54.STUDIO: I'm glad we didn't force Sadiq Khan into the hedge there on

:19:55. > :19:58.the streets of Tooting I think it was. That was Sadiq Khan walking

:19:59. > :20:02.around enjoying the sunshine, answering a few questions from one

:20:03. > :20:07.of my colleagues. I will bring Ken Livingstone in that moment. Let's

:20:08. > :20:11.join Emily for a second. Probably gets the prize for the most awkward

:20:12. > :20:15.campaign walk yet, but there'll be something else to cheer him up when

:20:16. > :20:19.he looks at the fist results from the London Assembly. It is the body

:20:20. > :20:24.that scrutinises the work of the London Mayor. At the moment, you can

:20:25. > :20:27.see just one result, Bexley and Bromley. This is a safe Conservative

:20:28. > :20:33.seat. It was never going to change hands. But if you look at what's

:20:34. > :20:37.happened overnight you can see how the Conservatives' share of the vote

:20:38. > :20:42.has fallen. It is down seven. Ukip makes the gains here in this part of

:20:43. > :20:50.south-east London, up 10%. But the swing takes it from Conservative to

:20:51. > :20:53.Labour of 3.2%. If that sort of swing were replicated in seats

:20:54. > :20:57.across London tonight, Labour would hope to pick up one or two more

:20:58. > :21:02.seats on the Assembly. They would come in with 8 constituency seats

:21:03. > :21:06.out of 4. And Sadiq Khan might look at a picture like this and think

:21:07. > :21:14.that could propel him a good part of the way that areds mayoral post. One

:21:15. > :21:18.result in. That swing of that order. Maybe we'll see different swings in

:21:19. > :21:22.other seats. Ken Livingstone, thank you for coming in. Hi. I wonder what

:21:23. > :21:26.your sense of the campaign is and whether you agree, according to the

:21:27. > :21:30.first preferences that have come in, Sadiq Khan looks as if he is heading

:21:31. > :21:36.for a robust win. Sadiq has been ahead in the polls for months. It

:21:37. > :21:38.looks like he is going to have a bigger majority over if

:21:39. > :21:42.Conservatives than Boris Johnson had over me in the last two elections.

:21:43. > :21:46.This could be a very good result. If we are getting a swing in the

:21:47. > :21:52.constituents... We've got more Assembly seats than before. It was a

:21:53. > :21:56.good election for the Assembly over four years ago, so any gains from

:21:57. > :22:00.that is very strong and good for Labour. We've had a 4% swing to

:22:01. > :22:06.Labour nationwide, according to your analysis. That London result just

:22:07. > :22:11.then fits in with that. We were just discussing Barnet earlier because of

:22:12. > :22:16.the strong Jewish vote there and early signs that the Labour vote was

:22:17. > :22:20.affected an was down. What are your reflections on that, if that's true,

:22:21. > :22:28.Ken? Let's wait and see. I think the simple reality is that most people

:22:29. > :22:32.will vote based on issues about income, not these, and Government's

:22:33. > :22:35.economic policy not about the trivia that's dominated the news. Because

:22:36. > :22:41.it has dominated the news. It has, terrible. And it is bound to have an

:22:42. > :22:47.impact. Sadiq was running are 16% in the polls before that anti-Semetism

:22:48. > :22:54.nonsense blew up and nationally we were 5% ahead of the Tories, not 1.

:22:55. > :22:58.It has been damaging. Damaging. Those MPs demanding my suspension,

:22:59. > :23:02.you've cost us seats all over the country. John wants you to be

:23:03. > :23:08.expelled from the country. I have never said that. I want the National

:23:09. > :23:10.Executive Committee to follow d duction i process. Want the National

:23:11. > :23:15.Executive Committee to follow d duction i process. -- to follow due

:23:16. > :23:21.process. Would that not be the intention? Wait for the facts. Ken

:23:22. > :23:24.has the right to go to the National Executive Committee and put his

:23:25. > :23:27.case. The disputes committee is scheduled to meet in July. There's a

:23:28. > :23:32.process that has to be followed. I think it was the I think it was the

:23:33. > :23:36.right thing to do - sorry to say, Ken, to suspend you. I say that not

:23:37. > :23:38.because I have a bitter axe to grind, but I thought in the

:23:39. > :23:43.circumstances that was the right approach. There is an NEC process. I

:23:44. > :23:56.think that process has to be followed. Given that you've said

:23:57. > :24:00.that. I don't think Labour party members want to see me and Ken

:24:01. > :24:07.chewing over this on national television. They hate it when we

:24:08. > :24:10.argue on TV. It is what it is. Let the NEC process be pursued. I think

:24:11. > :24:13.in an election campaign you are better talking about the issues on

:24:14. > :24:18.the economy, about the issues affecting the health service, about

:24:19. > :24:24.schools. And by the way I do think this U-turn on academiesation is

:24:25. > :24:31.draw dropping now. It speaks to a bigger thing. The Tories couldn't

:24:32. > :24:34.get their tax credit changes through, their PP positive. Changes

:24:35. > :24:39.through, the Trade Union Bill through. This is a Tory Government

:24:40. > :24:43.that cannot get its business through the House of Commons. It is a weak

:24:44. > :24:48.and incompetent Tory Government and we in the Labour Party need to go

:24:49. > :24:54.after them. I can't think of any time in my lifetime where the

:24:55. > :25:00.Government has had so many defeats in the Commons. It is unprecedented.

:25:01. > :25:05.To go back to the row on anti-Semetism. Ken Livingstone, you

:25:06. > :25:07.said it was trivia confirm I want to remind John Ashworth, who tweeted at

:25:08. > :25:12.the time, enough is enough, Ken Livingstone has crossed a line, he

:25:13. > :25:16.doesn't represent mainstream Labour members like me, he has to go. Do

:25:17. > :25:19.you stand by that, John? I do. That's why when Jeremy suspended Ken

:25:20. > :25:24.I think that was the right course of action. But I do think it is right,

:25:25. > :25:27.fair and proper that Ken has the opportunity to go to the National

:25:28. > :25:31.Executive Committee, put his case and they look into it. One small

:25:32. > :25:36.correction there, I wasn't suspended by Jeremy, but the party machine.

:25:37. > :25:39.Last year they suspend one of the staff they had just appointed. Let's

:25:40. > :25:45.look at the impats on the campaign. You don't think it has had an

:25:46. > :25:50.impact. No, I do. Right, but your comments directly rather than the

:25:51. > :25:55.row you say has been manufactured by other MPs. Even Sadiq Khan, who was

:25:56. > :26:00.further ahead before you made your comments about Hitler and Zionism,

:26:01. > :26:03.he said I accept it makes it difficult for Londoners of Jewish

:26:04. > :26:08.faith to feel that the Labour Party is a place for them, so I will

:26:09. > :26:14.continue to speak for everyone. He went on a to say, Sadiq Khan, has

:26:15. > :26:20.your comments are appalling and inexcusable and there is no place

:26:21. > :26:28.for you in that party. I don't blame Sadiq, as he was 12 years old when

:26:29. > :26:31.Lenni Brenner made his book about the Zionists. Six months ago the

:26:32. > :26:37.Prime Minister of Israel said exactly what I had said. No-one is

:26:38. > :26:42.going to accuse him of being anti-Semitic. Is this helping the

:26:43. > :26:47.Labour Party? Of course not. So why do you want to intervene? I was

:26:48. > :26:55.asked in a BBC interview about Adolf Hitler. I set it aside in about 30

:26:56. > :26:58.words. What I deplore is those MPs who have demanded my expulsion could

:26:59. > :27:04.have gone on the internet and found out that it is actually true. The

:27:05. > :27:08.Scottish Labour leader, Dugdale Dirk said it unquestionably had an

:27:09. > :27:13.effect, the row about anti-Semetism and your comments, so they've

:27:14. > :27:18.stomped Labour in Scotland holding on to what little they had. Had. Do

:27:19. > :27:23.you take responsibility for that? I don't take responsibility. If I'm

:27:24. > :27:27.asked by a BBC interview about Adolf Hitler, I will answer the question.

:27:28. > :27:31.You won't remember didn't in my public career where I have dodged

:27:32. > :27:38.questions, like some MPs have done all the time. I answered the

:27:39. > :27:43.question, I stated it, it is true. Those MPs trying to undermine

:27:44. > :27:50.Jeremy, they blew this up into a big issue. I was there, as you know, and

:27:51. > :27:56.we asked you a whether Naz Shah, the Labour MP, was anti-Semitic. We

:27:57. > :28:02.didn't ask you about Hitler and Zionism. It wasn't on your

:28:03. > :28:07.programme. It was BBC Radio. The question was, is what Adolf Hitler

:28:08. > :28:12.did illegal? Well, with killing 6 million people was illegal. But you

:28:13. > :28:17.answered when we weren't asking you about it. John Ashworth is listening

:28:18. > :28:21.to you again. By reminding people of those comments, do you think it does

:28:22. > :28:28.the Labour Party good? The issue has got to be resolved. As John as

:28:29. > :28:32.saying, the NEC has to look into this. I will be able to invoke the

:28:33. > :28:37.Prime Minister of Israel for saying the same things. People can go on to

:28:38. > :28:42.the internet and see the Finkelstein interview, which is breathtaking. He

:28:43. > :28:47.is very supportive of me. Last week a Jewish Londoner stopped me on the

:28:48. > :28:52.street and said, what's wrong with MPs, don't they study history? John

:28:53. > :28:56.McDonnell, is he one of those campaign MPs who is whipping things

:28:57. > :29:00.up against you? If someone shows I said something that wasn't true, I

:29:01. > :29:04.will apologise. You can't expect someone to apologise for stating the

:29:05. > :29:10.truth. We should denounce MPs and politicians when they lie, not when

:29:11. > :29:15.they tell the truth. Do you regret saying those things, given what's

:29:16. > :29:20.happened? Absolutely. If I had known what the old Blairite MPs would whip

:29:21. > :29:27.this up into, I would have evaded the question. Not just old Blairite

:29:28. > :29:33.MPs. John McDonnell is one of those. But those link to do so the far

:29:34. > :29:38.right Progress group. I'm not, Ken. It was set up by Lord Sainsbury, big

:29:39. > :29:43.business, and it is funded by the hedge fund managers. But Ken

:29:44. > :29:48.Livingstone There were a of MPs and Labour Party politicians asking for

:29:49. > :29:54.you to go, as it was harming the party, John Ashworth being one of

:29:55. > :30:05.them. You can't blame one wing. Labour losses in Bury, losing two or

:30:06. > :30:09.three seats in Prestwich. MPs said it caused grotesque offence and

:30:10. > :30:17.caused a backlash against Labour Party. Down to one person - Ken

:30:18. > :30:22.Livingstone. Go online and see what Ken Livingstone has said, it is

:30:23. > :30:28.true. If right-wing Labour MPs hadn't turned this into an issue, it

:30:29. > :30:35.wouldn't be an issue. Almost anyone with a Jewish background knows their

:30:36. > :30:38.history, what happened in the 1930s. Let's pause for a seconds. I want to

:30:39. > :30:46.see where we are with the current race. Let's join Tim don von.

:30:47. > :31:03.Sorry... Tim, hang on a second, we are trying to fix the sound. We will

:31:04. > :31:10.come back to you in a second. We will try to get Tim back. A quick

:31:11. > :31:13.word, Jo, in terms of the indications we are looking for this

:31:14. > :31:17.afternoon. At what point do you think, unlike in previous elections,

:31:18. > :31:25.we will be in a position to know where we are? The London Mayoral? It

:31:26. > :31:28.is true to say that Sadiq Khan has had a fairly commanding lead, even

:31:29. > :31:32.if it has slipped back somewhat in the last few days and weeks. It may

:31:33. > :31:36.be that by early evening we will have a result we can declare, but

:31:37. > :31:45.people will be speculating before then. Let's join Jeremy to shed some

:31:46. > :31:49.more light. We have just been processing the national share

:31:50. > :31:53.figures that we gave you earlier. Looking at what would happen had

:31:54. > :31:57.there been a general election, with the voting patterns we have seen in

:31:58. > :32:03.these local elections. This is our virtual House of Commons. You need

:32:04. > :32:09.326 MPs in the Commons for an overall majority out of a total of

:32:10. > :32:16.650. Let's see which party has the most MPs. It is the Conservatives.

:32:17. > :32:20.We project 301 MPs for the Conservatives if all the same voting

:32:21. > :32:26.patterns had happened across the country. It leaves them short of the

:32:27. > :32:30.overall majority they got last year, so they would have fallen back a

:32:31. > :32:35.bit. Difficult for the Conservatives to claim it is a great victory,

:32:36. > :32:38.anything like that, when they are in a situation that, with a wafer thin

:32:39. > :32:43.majority, any kind of setback puts them into the danger zone. Still,

:32:44. > :32:49.they would be the largest single party. Labour, the main opposition

:32:50. > :32:54.party, 253 seats. An improvement on last time but nowhere near

:32:55. > :32:57.overtaking the Conservatives. The SNP, interestingly, our projection

:32:58. > :33:06.would have them down three seats, 53. The other parties, notably the

:33:07. > :33:10.Liberal Democrats have 19. Plaid Cymru, the Welsh Nationalists, four.

:33:11. > :33:15.A single Ukip MP, as we had last year. The others, mainly Northern

:33:16. > :33:18.Ireland parties, 19. This is the House of Commons if the voting

:33:19. > :33:23.patterns were repeated in a general election. People vote differently in

:33:24. > :33:27.a general election, so this is a rather academic exercise, although

:33:28. > :33:31.an entertaining one. Secondly, you might think, why is it that Labour

:33:32. > :33:35.1% ahead in the projected national share but the Conservatives have

:33:36. > :33:40.more MPs if you put it into the House of Commons? The answer, ever

:33:41. > :33:44.since Labour lost control of Scotland, their vote has become, in

:33:45. > :33:49.the words of psephology 'ss, inefficient. They pile up votes in

:33:50. > :33:57.Scotland that do not become members of the House of Commons. In a first

:33:58. > :34:02.past the post system, fewer MPs. The Conservatives, the biggest party,

:34:03. > :34:07.but short by 25. Jeremy, thank you. That has raised a few things that I

:34:08. > :34:12.will talk to John Curtice about in a moment. But I would like to go

:34:13. > :34:17.straight to Emily first, to get our first proper result from the London

:34:18. > :34:21.Assembly. The first result from Bexley and Bromley. Don't forget,

:34:22. > :34:26.they are not constituencies as such, but it is a way of measuring who is

:34:27. > :34:30.in the lead in the race to be the London Mayor. A safe Conservative

:34:31. > :34:36.Party of London, so don't be surprised by Zac Goldsmith on 52%

:34:37. > :34:40.and Sadiq Khan on 26%. But this is where the story lies, as you can

:34:41. > :34:48.see, the Conservative share of the vote has dropped by a staggering

:34:49. > :34:51.11%. Labour making gin, Ukip making gin. The swing is always measured

:34:52. > :35:00.between the top two parties, it has gone from Conservative to Labour on

:35:01. > :35:05.7%. -- Ukip making gains. That kind of swing could make Sadiq Khan mayor

:35:06. > :35:13.on the first preference. The rebate at this point in the afternoon for

:35:14. > :35:17.Sadiq. 7%, John Curtice. You going to dip your toe into the water and

:35:18. > :35:21.give us a sense of what you think the Mayoral race is heading? It is

:35:22. > :35:25.pretty clear if you have been following it, they have counted over

:35:26. > :35:29.80% of the vote and it seems clear that Sadiq Khan is going to win.

:35:30. > :35:36.That result from Bromley underlines the point. There is no doubt that

:35:37. > :35:41.the Conservatives are going to lose the race for the Mayor of London.

:35:42. > :35:44.The polls have been telling us that. For all of the sound and fury

:35:45. > :35:49.between the two parties about anti-Semitism on the one hand and

:35:50. > :35:53.arguments about Islamophobia on the other, it really hasn't made much

:35:54. > :35:59.difference. We spent a lot of time talking about what might happen in

:36:00. > :36:03.the Conservative areas of London, the outer boroughs, and that they

:36:04. > :36:06.possibly were hiding some kind of pattern which might boost Zac

:36:07. > :36:12.Goldsmith's position. That doesn't seem to be... I would have thought

:36:13. > :36:16.that if Lynton Crosby's dog whistle politics would affect anywhere in

:36:17. > :36:21.London, it would be the outer south-east corner of London, such as

:36:22. > :36:25.Bromley. But it looks as if the dog owners of Bromley have decided to

:36:26. > :36:32.walk the dog instead. That is one way of putting it. So where Boris

:36:33. > :36:37.Johnson really did capitalise last time, Zac Goldsmith has singularly

:36:38. > :36:40.failed this time? Yes, and if you look at the Cannes for the Greater

:36:41. > :36:46.London Assembly that is also going on, it is not clear that Labour have

:36:47. > :36:56.made any advance on 2012. -- the counters. Boris essentially out told

:36:57. > :36:59.his party. It looks as though this time that the outcome of the

:37:00. > :37:06.Assembly election will be quite close. -- out polled his party.

:37:07. > :37:10.Don't assume the success for Labour in London is an indication of a

:37:11. > :37:15.swing to Labour in London, as opposed to Labour simply overcoming

:37:16. > :37:19.the disadvantage of Boris Johnson's personal popularity from four years

:37:20. > :37:25.ago. That is very clear, Ken, isn't it? It is interesting, if you look

:37:26. > :37:29.at the general election last year, so many Labour games bobbins were in

:37:30. > :37:37.London. If the rest of the country had swung that way, Ed Miliband

:37:38. > :37:44.would be in power today. -- so many Labour gains. It looks like a very

:37:45. > :37:48.good night tonight in London for Labour. Interesting to see what

:37:49. > :37:52.happens in the other assembly seats. Before I came on the show, it looked

:37:53. > :37:57.like we were close in Conservative held seats, I wonder if we will pick

:37:58. > :38:02.up any of them. We will see. It does look like a very good evening in

:38:03. > :38:07.London indeed. Does the potential scale of the victory for Sadiq Khan

:38:08. > :38:13.surprise you, Justine? There is a very long way to go. One set of

:38:14. > :38:17.results. As John said, in many respects, probably just as much as

:38:18. > :38:27.anything else a reflect how uniquely popular Boris Johnson has been as a

:38:28. > :38:31.mayor over two successful Mayoralties. Let's see where we are

:38:32. > :38:40.at the end of the evening. Tim, can you hear me? I can hear you clearly.

:38:41. > :38:46.Bring us up to date. John Curtice has given us a firm pointer. How do

:38:47. > :38:52.you see things there? I have just heard the Bexley and Bromley result.

:38:53. > :38:57.In all, around 85% of votes, perhaps a few more now, have been counted.

:38:58. > :39:01.When it gets to 90%, they take it off the screens and we don't get to

:39:02. > :39:04.see the progress of the last 10% until the returning officer

:39:05. > :39:08.declares. But the indications are that Sadiq Khan is a head when you

:39:09. > :39:14.look at first preference votes. 44-35. A couple of polling experts

:39:15. > :39:20.have looked at that and extrapolated what they think the second

:39:21. > :39:26.preference votes... Where they will distribute. It is thought the Greens

:39:27. > :39:31.and the Liberal Democrats may go for Sadiq Khan and that Ukip voters will

:39:32. > :39:38.go for Zac Goldsmith. When you factor them in, a suggestion that

:39:39. > :39:42.Sadiq Khan may win by 57% to 43%. Quite a margin. Nowhere near the

:39:43. > :39:46.kind of margin anyone would have anticipated a few months ago,

:39:47. > :39:52.although the polls have suggested that kind of size of victory. This

:39:53. > :39:56.is in the scale of Ken Livingstone's territory. As an independent back at

:39:57. > :40:02.the dawn of devolution when the first mayor was elected, in 2000. A

:40:03. > :40:08.similar margin of victory. Clearly that will raise all kind of things,

:40:09. > :40:13.the kind of campaign run by the Conservatives and what has happened

:40:14. > :40:18.as a result. Justine made the perfectly fair point that it is

:40:19. > :40:22.still early days. Tim, what is your sense now of timing? When will we

:40:23. > :40:29.get approaching a formal declaration in terms of the outcome? The reason

:40:30. > :40:33.they are not giving us any very accurate assessment and it is all

:40:34. > :40:38.guesswork is, firstly, there have been some embarrassing counters in

:40:39. > :40:43.the past where it has been close to bedtime, some would say after

:40:44. > :40:48.bedtime, when we got the results. But there are also a number of

:40:49. > :40:51.things that can still go wrong. Particularly a sense of anyone

:40:52. > :40:54.challenging any of the votes anywhere. And there have been issues

:40:55. > :40:59.because of problems in polling stations in Barnet yesterday. There

:41:00. > :41:06.is a suggestion that if, say, the Assembly result there was close,

:41:07. > :41:09.there could be a challenge. Or a challenge to the running of the

:41:10. > :41:14.election, rather than the result. That is why there is caution. If

:41:15. > :41:18.everything went to plan, we should get it by six o'clock, but people

:41:19. > :41:21.are reluctant to say that. We should mention turnout. People thought it

:41:22. > :41:26.had not been a particularly inspiring and that turnout would be

:41:27. > :41:29.low. Whether it was the sunshine or people have started to come out

:41:30. > :41:34.privately, concerned by the way the campaign has been run, turnout could

:41:35. > :41:42.be up to about 44%. Not large, but higher than 2012. Tim, thank you,

:41:43. > :41:49.from City Hall. As he was speaking, a very good result for the Lib Dems

:41:50. > :42:01.in Watford. A gain from no overall control. MLA. -- MLE. A rare beast

:42:02. > :42:09.indeed. The last time the Lib Dems gained a council was 2009. They have

:42:10. > :42:15.a Lib Dem mayor there. She has been mayor since 2002. The Lib Dems with

:42:16. > :42:22.a majority of 14 in Watford, taken from no overall control. Labour in

:42:23. > :42:26.second on 11th. The Lib Dems will have been pleased to have taken

:42:27. > :42:30.seats from everyone, mostly from their former partners in Coalition

:42:31. > :42:36.Government, the Conservatives, down five. Labour, down one. The Greens,

:42:37. > :42:40.down one. This was an all-out election, which means anything can

:42:41. > :42:48.happen. You can get big results, and the Lib Dems will be delighted with

:42:49. > :42:53.that. I would like to go down to College Green, Westminster. Waiting

:42:54. > :43:00.to talk to us, Labour's David Lammy, and the Conservative Mark Field.

:43:01. > :43:04.They did, your sense of how the London race is going. I was in

:43:05. > :43:09.Alexandra Palace in North London where the vote is being counted. It

:43:10. > :43:12.is going extraordinarily well for Sadiq Khan. I could not believe the

:43:13. > :43:18.numbers I was seeing across North London. But when you look at more

:43:19. > :43:24.marginal seats, Wandsworth, Murton, areas like Redbridge, he bring, the

:43:25. > :43:29.Outer London area, it looks like a substantial swing to Labour on the

:43:30. > :43:34.Assembly and absolutely for Sadiq Khan. A fantastic day for Labour

:43:35. > :43:38.people across London. David Lammy, you said it was one of the most

:43:39. > :43:44.divisive campaigns you had seen. You said it had gone into the gutter. Do

:43:45. > :43:49.you stand by those comments? Absolutely. Personally, I get on

:43:50. > :43:53.with the Zac Goldsmith, but the campaign has thrown so many smears

:43:54. > :43:58.around and has not really concentrated on the substance and

:43:59. > :44:04.the issues in London, housing and the transport system. With all of

:44:05. > :44:10.those smears, very much the tactic of Lynton Crosby, I'm afraid getting

:44:11. > :44:13.into very divisive territory between communities, I'm really pleased that

:44:14. > :44:18.if you look at the vote... I'm sure in a few hours' time, we will see

:44:19. > :44:22.that London is right across the city have rejected that campaign. And

:44:23. > :44:30.maybe we will see the back of Lynton Crosby as a result. -- Londons. I

:44:31. > :44:35.would point out it is your own party that has had people suspended for

:44:36. > :44:38.anti-Semitism at the moment. It is not something that is entirely to

:44:39. > :44:42.have fingers pointed at the Conservatives. To be fair, Zac

:44:43. > :44:51.Goldsmith bid try to put forward a positive agenda. A sense that he

:44:52. > :44:54.alone could have the of government. -- the of government. Aspirational

:44:55. > :45:00.in terms of housing and transportation. The demographics of

:45:01. > :45:06.London are changing. As Ken Livingstone pointed out earlier, the

:45:07. > :45:09.truth is, there was a 3.5% swing to Labour in the capital in the last

:45:10. > :45:14.general election. Had that been replicated across the board, the

:45:15. > :45:19.opinion polls would have been proven right. Realistically, the exception

:45:20. > :45:25.was Boris Johnson's performance in 2012. He out pawed the Conservatives

:45:26. > :45:30.by double-digit percentage at that stage. Zac Goldsmith was an unknown

:45:31. > :45:35.quantity as far as London voters were concerned. He has worked

:45:36. > :45:41.tremendously hard. It does look as though Sadiq Khan is ahead. I feel

:45:42. > :45:45.very sorry for Zac, he has worked very hard and has had a more

:45:46. > :45:51.positive agenda than some would have us believe. I hope that all London

:45:52. > :45:54.MPs, David and myself, Justine Greening, we can work together

:45:55. > :45:57.because there are some issues and problems that London faces that are

:45:58. > :45:59.very different to the rest of the country.

:46:00. > :46:07.When Zac Goldsmith was quoted as saying, this is not a normal

:46:08. > :46:12.campaign for me, it would have been a different campaign if they had

:46:13. > :46:15.chosen someone like David Lammy or Tessa Jowell, it would have been

:46:16. > :46:20.about the issues. This is different, it really is. What did he mean by

:46:21. > :46:27.that? There've been issues about Sadiq Khan's associations in the

:46:28. > :46:31.past. Rather like Zac Goldsmith I prefer to play the ball rather than

:46:32. > :46:35.the man on these issues. Zac, because he had a strong agenda on

:46:36. > :46:40.the environmental side, perhaps he felt ill at ease to be putting the

:46:41. > :46:44.boot in, as it were. I think there were issues of character that had to

:46:45. > :46:50.be faced by Sadiq Khan. I think clearly if he does become the Mayor

:46:51. > :46:54.I very much hope he'll be Mayor for all Londoners. We have a fantastic

:46:55. > :46:58.cosmopolitan city, but very real issues. One of the things that's a

:46:59. > :47:05.challenge for us as Conservatives is the issue of home ownership and the

:47:06. > :47:11.inability of many well-off Londoners in highly paid jobs earning a

:47:12. > :47:15.multiple of average earnings across the country simply can't get on the

:47:16. > :47:20.housing ladder. There are no easy solutions with, that but I hope

:47:21. > :47:25.Sadiq Khan will work with people of all political persuasions to get a

:47:26. > :47:32.result for us all. It would have been about the issues, this is

:47:33. > :47:35.different, it d have been about the issues, this is different, it really

:47:36. > :47:39.is, said -. What did he mean by that? If Sadiq Khan does win, this

:47:40. > :47:43.is a massive breakthrough moment in British politics. This is the first

:47:44. > :47:47.ethnic minority coming from Parliament to get a huge political

:47:48. > :47:52.mandate from millions of people in a major global city and he happens to

:47:53. > :47:57.be Muslim, at a time when there are real concerns in terms of

:47:58. > :48:02.fundamentalism. It is an impressive victory. It makes me so happy to be

:48:03. > :48:06.British. All credit to him for the tremendous hard work that he has put

:48:07. > :48:09.in. It has been a twicive campaign. Has put in. It has been a twicive

:48:10. > :48:14.campaign. It's -- a divisive campaign. It's been rejected across

:48:15. > :48:19.London. I'm so joyous that this son of an immigrant. He reminds people

:48:20. > :48:23.his dad was a bus driver, has emerged in this great country and

:48:24. > :48:27.this great city as a London Mayor. It is a fantastic moment for British

:48:28. > :48:32.politics. We'll wait for the results, but gentlemen, thank you

:48:33. > :48:38.for joining us. David Lammy and Mark Field. There were four mayoral

:48:39. > :48:46.contests and I have the result from Salford on first preference. Labour

:48:47. > :48:52.on 24,200 votes. Second place Conservatives. Third place Ukip and

:48:53. > :48:56.the Greens are in fourth place. Are in fourth place. The share - this

:48:57. > :49:03.important thing about redistributing votes if they don't get 50%. 49% to

:49:04. > :49:13.Labour, 24% the Conservatives, 18% to Ukip and 9% to the Greens. It is

:49:14. > :49:21.a Labour hold. If we look at that, a Labour hold on 28,000 for Paul den

:49:22. > :49:27.et. Robin Garrido for the Conservatives. We reported that Jo

:49:28. > :49:34.Anderson in Liverpool re-elected for Labour. Does any of this feed into

:49:35. > :49:38.what we think is the challenge that Labour faces given the results

:49:39. > :49:42.overnight? We've been talking about Scotland and Wales, but the

:49:43. > :49:47.challenge Labour faces when it looks towards the 2020? Jeremy has news on

:49:48. > :49:52.that. Well, a sense of the scale of that challenge for Labour. Obviously

:49:53. > :49:56.this has been in some places not a bad night for Labour. The London

:49:57. > :50:01.mayoralty may be a good result for them. But 2020 and the next general

:50:02. > :50:05.election. Let's look at what Labour needs to win. They've got 232 seats

:50:06. > :50:16.at the last general election. You need to get to 32 and beyond for t

:50:17. > :50:21.to 32 and beyond for an overall majority -- 326 seats for an overall

:50:22. > :50:25.majority. Gower, Conservative-held, should be the first seat to fall for

:50:26. > :50:29.Labour if they start to attack this Conservative board. Gradually as you

:50:30. > :50:30.move to the right, the seats get harder

:50:31. > :50:32.Conservative board. Gradually as you move to the right, the seats get

:50:33. > :50:36.harder to take. The question is how far down the boards would Labour

:50:37. > :50:43.have to go to get a majority in the House of Commons? I will add one

:50:44. > :50:48.rider. We are very to assume, a big assumption, for the purposes of this

:50:49. > :50:51.graphic that Labour don't pick up SNP seats. They've got such a

:50:52. > :50:55.problem in Scotland. We are going to skip the yellow seats, the SNP

:50:56. > :50:58.seats. So in order to win a majority in the House of Commons, they've got

:50:59. > :51:03.to take the whole of this board. They've got to go through that like

:51:04. > :51:12.a knife through butter, and the second as well. These are the seats

:51:13. > :51:18.they had under Tony Blair. On board three, it gets harder. They need to

:51:19. > :51:21.take Camborne, previously held by the Liberal Democrats. They've got

:51:22. > :51:26.to take that board as well. We are assuming they are not taking the SNP

:51:27. > :51:32.seats in yellow. They have to go through to board four to get any

:51:33. > :51:36.kind of slender majority. Taking a seat for example like Chingford,

:51:37. > :51:41.Iain Duncan Smith's. It was Norman Tebbit's before. It is not the kind

:51:42. > :51:46.of place you would expect Labour to be taking, be you they could do it.

:51:47. > :51:51.They would need to take Kensington if they are not picking up any SNP

:51:52. > :51:57.seats. It is very difficult. Ideally they want to be on board five, they

:51:58. > :52:04.might want to take Putney. Justine Greening, what is your majority in

:52:05. > :52:08.Putney, 10,000? It is 10,000. Not an easy seat to take. Uxbridge, Boris

:52:09. > :52:12.Johnson's seat. The point being that Labour have put in a result that

:52:13. > :52:15.puts them 1% ahead of the Conservatives. It is still very

:52:16. > :52:20.difficult. We reckon on the swing we've seen, I will take it back to

:52:21. > :52:23.the beginning, it is about a 3-4% swing to Labour tonight. We reckon

:52:24. > :52:30.it would take them comfortably across the first board and take the

:52:31. > :52:37.easiest 30-35 seats. But after that they might struggle. Huw. Jeremy,

:52:38. > :52:41.thank you. Justine looking slightly menacing when you mentioned Putney

:52:42. > :52:47.and the size of the majority. One very interesting result in terms of

:52:48. > :52:51.the circumstances of the local authority, Rotherham, where Emily

:52:52. > :52:53.will explain the circumstances, but an all-out election because of the

:52:54. > :52:57.controversial issues that the local authority there was dealing with.

:52:58. > :53:01.You will remember this one. A new leadership team put in place

:53:02. > :53:05.following that dreadful child abuse scandal in Rotherham. But the

:53:06. > :53:09.extraordinary thing is tonight after an all-out election, all of the

:53:10. > :53:11.councillors were standing for election tonight, because they had

:53:12. > :53:15.to put in place this new team. Labour have held it and there's been

:53:16. > :53:24.little movement on the council. Labour holds it on a majority of 33,

:53:25. > :53:29.with Ukip in second place on 14. In terms of seat change, Labour's not

:53:30. > :53:32.been punished for that. Ukip has taken the seat from the

:53:33. > :53:38.Conservatives. No movement here really. The story of the night if I

:53:39. > :53:44.show you the overall picture of the scoreboard, you can see what's

:53:45. > :53:53.happened here. Let me try and get that back for you. There we go. You

:53:54. > :53:56.can see 1,177 councillors. They have the lion's share, because 49% of

:53:57. > :54:00.those standing at the beginning of the night were Labour. They are down

:54:01. > :54:06.24, but the Conservatives are also down 24. They are on 655. Modest

:54:07. > :54:13.gains for the Lib Dems of 29. Over the last five years the Lib Dems

:54:14. > :54:20.have lost 1,800 councillors. It puts that number into perspective. Ukip

:54:21. > :54:25.making gains. 24, they are at 51. And those losses for the Greens. In

:54:26. > :54:32.terms of the actual councils themselves, you can see very little

:54:33. > :54:35.movement. Labour has lost one to s lost one to no overall control -

:54:36. > :54:40.Dudley. The Conservatives still have an empty tally, even though they

:54:41. > :54:44.gained Peterborough, under those election boundaries it was always

:54:45. > :54:50.considered to be a hold in terms of how this is counted, because the

:54:51. > :54:58.boundaries were redrawn. A gain of Watford for the lib dells. It is an

:54:59. > :55:03.extraordinary that how little has changed giveton expectations of both

:55:04. > :55:08.parties. I want to underline the sem etry there of a loss of 24 on Labour

:55:09. > :55:12.and Conservative. And at the end of this day when we are taking stock,

:55:13. > :55:16.just yesterday after all the preparation and listening to what

:55:17. > :55:21.the parties were saying, who would have imagined for one second that we

:55:22. > :55:25.would see Labour on a loss of just 24. I'm saying just, because there

:55:26. > :55:34.were plenty of people offering 150 losses, and the Conservatives on

:55:35. > :55:37.that too. Aren't expectation as important, and aren't they

:55:38. > :55:43.confusing? We were talking about the bad night for Labour being losses of

:55:44. > :55:46.50, and a medium night being not more than 50. Put that into

:55:47. > :55:49.perspective, this is a terrific night for Labour. But the

:55:50. > :55:53.Conservatives would say, what are you talking about? At this point

:55:54. > :55:58.when we've been in power for so long, the opposition parties should

:55:59. > :56:02.be making fantastic gains. So when nothing very much moves, the trouble

:56:03. > :56:06.is you can put whatever narrative you want on the numbers that are

:56:07. > :56:12.there. I think both sides will give you their narrative of what those

:56:13. > :56:16.losses mean. A quick comment John, Rotherham has come in this rather

:56:17. > :56:20.different circumstances. Just going back to Jeremy's presentation, it

:56:21. > :56:24.shows us making progress in the sorts of seats that decide general

:56:25. > :56:28.elections, but we've got to go much further. We've got to think in the

:56:29. > :56:34.Labour Party how do we win over people who used to vote Labour and

:56:35. > :56:38.switched to the Conservatives in the last election and 2010 election. The

:56:39. > :56:43.route back to power in the Labour Party is getting people who went

:56:44. > :56:50.away from us to the Conservative Party and other parties, and that's

:56:51. > :56:53.a challenge. Justine? I was born and brought up in Rotherham, I'm proud

:56:54. > :56:58.to have come from Rotherham. Rotherham. I hope that the new

:56:59. > :57:02.Labour councillors can do a better job than the last lot and that the

:57:03. > :57:08.council group can work together to start delivering for the people in

:57:09. > :57:12.that town who need a better set of services, better prospects, a better

:57:13. > :57:19.deal on crime, at a price that they can afford. Are you surprised by the

:57:20. > :57:25.result given the controversy? That's a very clear result. In some ways

:57:26. > :57:28.yes. I'm disappointed to see the one remaining a Conservative not regain

:57:29. > :57:32.his seat. But at the same time I think there's a clean sweep of

:57:33. > :57:35.councillors across the board, particularly for Labour, which is

:57:36. > :57:38.quite right. The important thing now is to rise above party politics and

:57:39. > :57:44.start delivering for that local community. We'll pause there. Thank

:57:45. > :57:49.you for that. It is coming up to 4 o'clock. Let's catch up once again

:57:50. > :57:49.with a rather sunny story in the weather, yes?

:57:50. > :57:54.with a rather sunny story in the weather, yes? It is indeed. Tomorrow

:57:55. > :57:59.there'll be thunderstorms affecting some of us, maybe outbreaks of rain.

:58:00. > :58:02.Sunshine coming back. Warmth developing more widely across the

:58:03. > :58:10.UK, including Scotland and Northern Ireland by Sunday. Hazy sunshine

:58:11. > :58:17.from Norfolk this afternoon. It is again England and Wales seeing most

:58:18. > :58:23.of the warmth. Glasgow up to 16. South West Scotland got to 17

:58:24. > :58:29.Scotland. Atlantic air for Northern Ireland and Scotland. We'll import

:58:30. > :58:33.showers towards the far south-west of England. Maybe clipping

:58:34. > :58:39.south-west Wales. Some of those could include a rumble of thunder.

:58:40. > :58:43.Some spots into single figures. The complication tomorrow is that for

:58:44. > :58:47.the western side of the UK we've got cloud, some outbreaks of rain. It is

:58:48. > :58:54.not going be raining all the time. Thunderstorms breaking out across

:58:55. > :58:59.parts of Wales, and maybe the chance of an intense storm in the afternoon

:59:00. > :59:04.into the Pennines and Yorkshire. The best of the sunshine will be across

:59:05. > :59:08.south-east England and East Anglia. Showers across western parts.

:59:09. > :59:12.Outbreaks of rain possible into Northern Ireland. Maybe clipping

:59:13. > :59:18.parts of western Scotland as well. It is not wall to wall sunshine for

:59:19. > :59:22.the start of the weekend, but there is warmth to be had, particularly

:59:23. > :59:26.across England and Wales. No huge change into Scotland and Northern

:59:27. > :59:31.Ireland. Some of us have rain in Northern Ireland. And we've got an

:59:32. > :59:35.onshore wind for the east of Scotland and east England. The sea

:59:36. > :59:40.is 8-9 degrees. That cools the air above it and has an impact on your

:59:41. > :59:43.temperature here, with perhaps mist in parts of eastern Scotland and

:59:44. > :59:47.north-east England. Quite cool to start the weekend. That weather

:59:48. > :59:51.system taking the thunderstorms and outbreaks of rain across western

:59:52. > :59:55.parts of the UK begins to pull northwards during Sunday. What

:59:56. > :00:00.happens then is that we are all in that warmer Continental air. The

:00:01. > :00:04.warmth is spreading into Scotland and Northern Ireland. The odd

:00:05. > :00:10.thundery shower but most placeses in the afternoon on Sunday will be

:00:11. > :00:13.fine, with plenty of sunshine. 25-26 in south-east England, but the

:00:14. > :00:27.warmth into western Scotland and Northern Ireland. 19-20 degrees.

:00:28. > :00:34.It's 4pm. Good afternoon. Welcome back to the BBC election centre. We

:00:35. > :00:37.are here throughout the afternoon, bripging you up -- bringing you up

:00:38. > :00:40.to date with what is happening around the country. Let's start with

:00:41. > :00:44.Scotland, if you've just joined us, a headline - a big win for the

:00:45. > :00:49.Scottish National Party in the Parliamentary elections there, a

:00:50. > :00:54.third victory for them. Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP leader, First

:00:55. > :00:57.Minister, says she will not seek any formal arrangement with any other

:00:58. > :01:03.parties, though she is two seats short of an overall majority this

:01:04. > :01:05.time. A very big win for the SNP. Delight too in Scotland for the

:01:06. > :01:09.Scottish Conservatives. They had a very good night. Their leader, Ruth

:01:10. > :01:14.Davidson, winning her seed in Edinburgh central. But making gains

:01:15. > :01:18.too in other parts of Scotland. They're delighted in the role of

:01:19. > :01:21.main Opposition now. They've overtaken Labour. Scottish Labour

:01:22. > :01:27.had a disappointing night, pushed into third place. We spoke to their

:01:28. > :01:30.leader earlier. She acknowledges the party is facing a very challenging

:01:31. > :01:34.time. What a contrast with the Labour story in Wales. There,

:01:35. > :01:40.despite some of the predictions of gloom and doom, they won 29 seats

:01:41. > :01:50.and they will be holding onto power in Wales. For the next five years.

:01:51. > :01:54.Better than anyone predicted. Neil Hamilton there, one of seven Ukip

:01:55. > :01:56.members, first time to have representation in the National

:01:57. > :02:01.Assembly of Wales. That's a significant moment. And Leanne Wood,

:02:02. > :02:09.the leader of Plaid Cymru had a notable win against Leighton

:02:10. > :02:13.Andrews. Elsewhere, Plaid Cymru did not make the gains they were setting

:02:14. > :02:17.out to achieve especially in Llanelli. Let's talk about the

:02:18. > :02:22.English council elections. There's Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader. He

:02:23. > :02:26.says his predictions that the party would lose seats, they haven't come

:02:27. > :02:30.through, he says. Labour has been growing support, he says. He's put

:02:31. > :02:34.out a bullish statement about Labour's performance. A little

:02:35. > :02:38.earlier, we saw David Cameron in Peterborough, that's a council they

:02:39. > :02:44.gained. He says that what might have been a day of dread for him, for a

:02:45. > :02:47.sitting Prime Minister, at these local elections has not

:02:48. > :02:50.materialised. He wanted to point the finger at Labour saying they'd lost

:02:51. > :02:57.touch with working people. That was his spin on the result. In the race

:02:58. > :03:01.for Mayor of London, with more than 90% of the first performance votes

:03:02. > :03:08.counted there's Labour's Sadiq Khan and he has a sizeable lead over the

:03:09. > :03:13.Conservative candidate Zac Goldsmith. Mr Khan says he's not

:03:14. > :03:18.being complacent. He says he's loved the campaign, despite the fact,

:03:19. > :03:23.let's face it, it's been fiercely contested, very couldn't yersial --

:03:24. > :03:28.controversial in parts. The last of the votes are being counted at City

:03:29. > :03:38.Hall. We'll have the latest in a moment with those results.

:03:39. > :03:42.So with that, let's catch up with the election news, but importantly

:03:43. > :03:47.other news today, before we discuss a little more in the next hour,

:03:48. > :03:52.what's going on. Let's join Jane. A flavour of all today's news. As we

:03:53. > :03:56.approach an end to the first choice voting in the London mayoral

:03:57. > :03:59.election, we're also getting the counts in from Police and Crime

:04:00. > :04:03.Commissioner votes and polling for the Northern Ireland Assembly. Let's

:04:04. > :04:09.start with this overview of the day so far from our political

:04:10. > :04:13.correspondent. A third term in power for Nicola

:04:14. > :04:18.Sturgeon, though the SNP fell just short of an overall majority. The

:04:19. > :04:26.result confirms her party's grip on politics in Scotland. We won a clear

:04:27. > :04:31.and unequivocal mandate and I secured the personal mandate I

:04:32. > :04:34.sought to implement the bold and ambitious programme for Government

:04:35. > :04:39.that I asked the country to vote for. With a surge in support across

:04:40. > :04:43.Scotland, the Conservatives were celebrating too, becoming the

:04:44. > :04:48.official Opposition at Holyrood. And pushing Labour into third place, it

:04:49. > :04:55.was a dismall night for the party north of the border. Labour's leader

:04:56. > :04:58.in Scotland putting on a brave face, but behind the smiles

:04:59. > :05:04.disappointment. And there were big wins for the Green Party in

:05:05. > :05:08.Scotland, who gained four new MSPs. The Liberal Democrats held onto

:05:09. > :05:16.their five. Good morning everybody. Jeremy Corbyn went to Sheffield to

:05:17. > :05:20.congratulate one of his party's two new MPs, jil Furnace won the

:05:21. > :05:26.by-election caused by the death of her late husband. Jeremy Corbyn said

:05:27. > :05:28.his party had defied expectations We were getting predictions that Labour

:05:29. > :05:34.was going to lose councils. We didn't. We hung on and we grew

:05:35. > :05:40.support in a lot of places. And there's a lot more results to come

:05:41. > :05:44.today. Labour hung onto some of the councils considered vulnerable this

:05:45. > :05:48.their northern Heartlands and retained control of Southampton and

:05:49. > :05:51.Hastings along the south coast. But critics say the party should have

:05:52. > :05:55.done much Bert. We've got to have a Labour Party that can defeat the

:05:56. > :06:00.Conservatives and I'm afraid, at the moment, there just isn't the

:06:01. > :06:06.evidence that that's happening. There should be alarm bells ringing.

:06:07. > :06:09.Among the celebrations, some senior Labour figures rounded on Jeremy

:06:10. > :06:12.Corbyn's critics. For goodness sake, look, get behind the leader of the

:06:13. > :06:17.Labour Party that was Democratically elected. It's time to put up or shut

:06:18. > :06:21.up. David Cameron knew it wouldn't be easy for the Conservatives to

:06:22. > :06:25.fight elections while his ministers are openly disagreeing over Europe,

:06:26. > :06:29.but in Peterborough, where the Tories took control, he said it had

:06:30. > :06:32.been a great day overall. Election day for sitting Prime Ministers is

:06:33. > :06:36.meant to be a day of dread, it's meant to be a day when you're

:06:37. > :06:39.sitting there waiting for someone to knocken the door like -- knock on

:06:40. > :06:42.the door like the condemned man waiting for the hangman. That wasn't

:06:43. > :06:47.what it was like last night or today. We have held councils right

:06:48. > :06:53.across the country. Cheers everybody. Ukip has gained at least

:06:54. > :06:56.20 seats in England and won seven in Wales, depriving Labour of an

:06:57. > :07:00.overall majority. The result of the contest for London Mayor won't be

:07:01. > :07:03.known until later, but Labour appears to be on course to seize

:07:04. > :07:10.control of City Hall from the Conservatives.

:07:11. > :07:14.Another main story here this afternoon, the Government has

:07:15. > :07:19.abandoned plans to compel all schools in England to back cad mys.

:07:20. > :07:24.Good or outstanding schools will no longer have to convert, while no

:07:25. > :07:27.small rural school will be forced to join a multiacademy trust. The

:07:28. > :07:31.Education Secretary said there is still a drive for schools to convert

:07:32. > :07:36.voluntarily. We don't think it's necessary for

:07:37. > :07:40.there to be a blanket provision for schools to convert to become

:07:41. > :07:45.academies, but there is a real appetite for schools to convert

:07:46. > :07:50.voluntarily and determination, I've made this very clear as Secretary of

:07:51. > :07:53.State, with support from Conservative members, to continue to

:07:54. > :07:59.lift standards in our schools. The Education Secretary. The BBC has

:08:00. > :08:04.found that at least eight police forces are investigating whether

:08:05. > :08:08.some Tory MPs' election expenses were filed illegally after the

:08:09. > :08:15.general election. The allegation centre on the hotel costs battle bus

:08:16. > :08:19.activists in marginal seats. They have blamed an administrative error.

:08:20. > :08:24.That's all from me for now. Back to Election 2016.

:08:25. > :08:28.Thanks very much. See you later. We've been joined now by Chris

:08:29. > :08:31.Leslie for Labour and Matthew han cock for the Conservatives. Thank

:08:32. > :08:35.you for coming in. Why not a few more results. There are results

:08:36. > :08:39.coming in from some of the London areas still, let's join Emily again.

:08:40. > :08:44.You'll remember in 2015 Labour's best success stories came in London.

:08:45. > :08:48.It looks so far this afternoon as if London is coming good for Labour

:08:49. > :08:52.again. You can see here the second seat in on the London Assembly has

:08:53. > :08:57.been taken from the Conservatives by Labour. It's the first time this has

:08:58. > :09:01.ever changed hands, a Labour gain from the Conservatives. Can you see

:09:02. > :09:06.how close that share of the vote is 41% to 39%. If you look at the

:09:07. > :09:12.direction of travel of the parties, that's where Labour will be pleased,

:09:13. > :09:15.gains of 5%. The Conservative losing ground and the Lib Dems as well.

:09:16. > :09:19.Importantly, this swing that I was talking about earlier, going from

:09:20. > :09:24.the Conservatives to Labour, 4. 5% swing. We've seen a swing of 7%. Now

:09:25. > :09:33.on these sorts of swings, it makes it very easy for Sadiq Khan to take

:09:34. > :09:37.the mayoral I. One -- mayorlty. This is a Conservative hold. The second

:09:38. > :09:40.safest Tory seat. But again, just look at what's happening to the

:09:41. > :09:46.direction of travel of the parties. Conservatives seeing their share of

:09:47. > :09:52.the vote down six. Labour up four. A bit of movement for Ukip up two.

:09:53. > :09:57.Once again that swing, as you can see, is from the Conservatives to

:09:58. > :10:02.Labour of a solid 5%. I understand we might also have one more result

:10:03. > :10:10.in from the London Mayor. If I take you to that now. We have got Lambeth

:10:11. > :10:15.and Southwark. Ken Livingstone topped the polls here last time

:10:16. > :10:20.round. Can you see that Sadiq Khan has 56% of the vote. Watch what

:10:21. > :10:24.happens when I show you the change overnight. Once again, you see how

:10:25. > :10:31.badly that Conservative share of the vote, this time, in the mayoral

:10:32. > :10:34.election, this is the two-horse race between Zach Goldsmith and Sadiq.

:10:35. > :10:38.Conservatives down 10%. Labour putting on the votes. Interesting to

:10:39. > :10:42.see movement here for the women's equality party, up 3% and gains for

:10:43. > :10:49.the Greens and Lib Dems as well. Let's just see if we can see what

:10:50. > :10:53.kind of a swing that is. Nearly 8%. So far, on the few results we've had

:10:54. > :10:57.in, it's looking like a very good night for Labour.

:10:58. > :11:05.Thanks very much. Let's bring in Chris Leslie there. What does that

:11:06. > :11:09.do other than underline the narrative around Labour London, what

:11:10. > :11:13.are these results telling you? First of all huge congratulations, maybe

:11:14. > :11:18.slightly ahead of the official announcement to Sadiq if he's won,

:11:19. > :11:23.this is a really great way for him to show that he, as an individual,

:11:24. > :11:30.has been able to reach out across London with significant appeal. And

:11:31. > :11:34.of course, by the way, also congratulations to Gill Furnace for

:11:35. > :11:37.winning the Sheffield by-election. I think overall, I would have liked to

:11:38. > :11:42.have seen Labour doing a lot better than this. For me, my focus is on

:11:43. > :11:45.winning that general election and kicking the Tories out in 2020. When

:11:46. > :11:50.you think about all of the things that have been going on in the past

:11:51. > :11:54.few weeks, whether it's the Panama papers or Iain Duncan Smith

:11:55. > :11:59.resigning over disability benefits or the steel crisis, so many things.

:12:00. > :12:03.Doctors on strike. Really, we should have been absolutely wiping the

:12:04. > :12:07.floor with the Conservative Party. I'm quite worried that we really

:12:08. > :12:12.don't seem to have been advancing very much at all, in fact, in some

:12:13. > :12:14.ways in those English local government elections and elsewhere,

:12:15. > :12:20.we've been falling backwards. Where we've held on, that is a testament

:12:21. > :12:24.to those local councillors who have really shown that good Labour and

:12:25. > :12:29.local government can deliver and hang on there. We've got to be doing

:12:30. > :12:33.better because that mountain for the general election is enormous and Ben

:12:34. > :12:37.Page this morning was talking about that 13-point lead that Labour has

:12:38. > :12:43.to win. I don't think we can afford to rest until we're within shot this

:12:44. > :12:49.afternoon general election. Those points have been echoed by others in

:12:50. > :12:51.that chairman. Matt, first of all, London, Zach Goldsmith's campaign,

:12:52. > :12:55.what's your sense of that now, given the figures that we're looking at?

:12:56. > :12:59.Unlike Chris I'm not going to jump the gun on that one. We'll see the

:13:00. > :13:04.official result when it comes through. The general election last

:13:05. > :13:11.year, London was one of the places that we didn't do as well as in the

:13:12. > :13:16.rest of the country. To come out of the English council elections in

:13:17. > :13:20.good shape and especially with the big change in Scotland, it just

:13:21. > :13:24.shows that while we're six years into Government, we're delivering on

:13:25. > :13:29.the ground and normally, governments in these situations get a far worse

:13:30. > :13:31.deal. Instead, in terms of the councillors, Labour's gone

:13:32. > :13:36.backwards, which is the first time an Opposition party has gone

:13:37. > :13:39.backwards in terms of the number of councillors since 1984, I

:13:40. > :13:44.understand. That's right. It was 82 and 85, though as we've been making

:13:45. > :13:47.the point for several hours now, all the predictions were for far, far,

:13:48. > :13:52.far bigger losses than the 25 losses that they've notched up so far. Just

:13:53. > :13:56.to concentrate on London first. You don't want to jump the gun, as you

:13:57. > :14:02.say. John Curtis is confidently saying that all the indications are

:14:03. > :14:06.that Sadiq Khan has won. Do you have reflections on the kind of campaign

:14:07. > :14:11.that Zach Goldsmith fought and do you have regrets about the tone of

:14:12. > :14:15.the campaign? No, we can discuss it when we find out what the result

:14:16. > :14:20.actually is. But you must have thoughts on the campaign even now,

:14:21. > :14:25.regardless of the results, are you happy with the campaign? Yes. He

:14:26. > :14:28.fought a campaign based on him and his principles, there was a lot on

:14:29. > :14:34.the environment, for instance, which he's always been passionate about.

:14:35. > :14:39.Lots on Sadiq Khan as well Also right to point out the flaws of

:14:40. > :14:43.Sadiq Khan and who he has shared platforms with in the past. That's

:14:44. > :14:48.reasonable to point ewe. Look, let's -- point out. Let's see what the

:14:49. > :14:52.result is. OK, that's three times you've told me that. I'm taking the

:14:53. > :14:59.point. On the tone of that campaign and the way to develop it, Ken

:15:00. > :15:04.Livingstone here earlier, fair to say unrepen tent in what he said and

:15:05. > :15:08.acknowledging that it had an impact. We discussed that. Your thoughts on

:15:09. > :15:13.the tone of this campaign in London. That's why I think a Sadiq victory

:15:14. > :15:17.is so remarkable. Of course, he had this, all of this, well, it was a

:15:18. > :15:20.smear attempt really from the Conservative campaign with this

:15:21. > :15:25.undertones of extremism, all these things. I think on reflection, Matt,

:15:26. > :15:31.you know that was going to back fire and it really has spectacularly done

:15:32. > :15:35.so. Sadiq, as he said himself, also found himself having to disentangle

:15:36. > :15:41.himself from some of the ridiculous hard-left stuff we were getting from

:15:42. > :15:45.Ken Livingstone and anti-Semitism and goodness knows whatever. It's a

:15:46. > :15:48.testament to Sadiq to his character, that he's an authentic and strong

:15:49. > :15:53.politician, now I think going to be the greatest Mayor of London ever

:15:54. > :15:58.and you know, I'm delighted to see him winning. I just wish, though,

:15:59. > :16:01.that for the rest of the country, we would have seen such great gains and

:16:02. > :16:06.that, for me, gives me pause for thought. I'm focussed on kicking the

:16:07. > :16:08.Tories out in 2020. That's the thing a lot of us in the Labour Party have

:16:09. > :16:21.to think about. No pressure there on Sadiq Khan to

:16:22. > :16:26.be the best Mayor of London already. Just looking at the trends Emily was

:16:27. > :16:30.describing, are you not worried by Labour gains in Merton and

:16:31. > :16:33.Wandsworth, and even if you had priced in Labour's success in

:16:34. > :16:37.London, the swing from Conservative to Labour in your heartlands of

:16:38. > :16:41.Bexley and Bromley, it is all going to wrong way in London isn't it?

:16:42. > :16:46.You've got to take the country as a whole, I agree with Chris... No,

:16:47. > :16:52.let's take London for the moment. The trend is away from the Tories,

:16:53. > :16:55.even in your heartlands. But when it comes to what this matters for the

:16:56. > :16:59.country as a whole, you can't just take London, but the whole country.

:17:00. > :17:05.We've lost seats on the London Assembly. One seat so far, but we

:17:06. > :17:10.won in Peterborough, a key marginal. Clearly in Scotland, in a huge way,

:17:11. > :17:14.coming second. If you look at the country as a whole, we've made

:17:15. > :17:19.progress this evening, because we've held our own in the council

:17:20. > :17:23.elections and Labour have lost councillors. In Scotland we've made

:17:24. > :17:27.the sorts of change that happens once in a generation when a new

:17:28. > :17:34.party that's been out of it frankly in Scotland for a long time has come

:17:35. > :17:41.back now as the official opposition. Clearly there's a realignment going

:17:42. > :17:44.on there. You've got the left-wing separatists versus the

:17:45. > :17:49.compassionate, moderate Conservatives who are also the

:17:50. > :17:53.unionist party. I think you lost in London because you were abandoning

:17:54. > :17:57.that compassionate centre ground, where Sadiq clearly moved. He has

:17:58. > :18:01.owned those issues in London and moved firmly to the centre ground.

:18:02. > :18:06.In Scotland there was a different story, where perhaps it was an

:18:07. > :18:13.attempt to go down the road of higher taxes and unilateralism. That

:18:14. > :18:19.militant way of looking at politics I don't think has worked out.

:18:20. > :18:24.Sadiq's way of politics is what we should look at in future. As Matt

:18:25. > :18:29.keeps on telling us, we haven't had the result yet, but we'll pause for

:18:30. > :18:34.a second. There's lots going on. I must mention the elections of dozens

:18:35. > :18:39.of Police and Crime Commissioners. The Welsh ones won't be counted

:18:40. > :18:46.until the weekend, but there are results in England. Scott Ellis in

:18:47. > :18:51.Bristol, let's talk about the Avon and Somerset contest. What's going

:18:52. > :18:56.on? It was all looking a bit 2012 for a moment. We thought we had a

:18:57. > :19:01.straightforward shoot-out between the current Crime Commissioner, the

:19:02. > :19:06.independent candidate, and her Conservative rival, that was the

:19:07. > :19:12.case four years ago. It was looking that way all morning and afternoon.

:19:13. > :19:16.The average turn out in the force area has been 26%, but the final

:19:17. > :19:21.station left to report its results was Bristol. There the turnout was

:19:22. > :19:24.44%. That's because there are also mayoral elections there and council

:19:25. > :19:31.elections. When they reported, the man in third place, the Labour

:19:32. > :19:40.candidate, Kerry Barker, got more than 46,000 votes. Sue Stevens

:19:41. > :19:44.getting the more than 30,000. It means that Kerry Barker, the Labour

:19:45. > :19:53.candidate, is now in second place and it is a shoot-out even him and

:19:54. > :19:58.Sue Mount-Stevens. He is a professional barrister and I'm told

:19:59. > :20:04.he was in court in Swindon today. It is a result that will send a shudder

:20:05. > :20:07.down the back of Bristol's elected Mayor, George Ferguson, the

:20:08. > :20:12.independent candidate. He is up against his main rival, who is

:20:13. > :20:20.Labour. If that's an indication of how Labour is voting it will send a

:20:21. > :20:30.shudder down George Ferguson's back. Now we are on to the supplemental

:20:31. > :20:35.voting, Sue Mount-Stevens or Kerry Barker. It will be some time before

:20:36. > :20:39.we get a result. The race in South Yorkshire. Some very special

:20:40. > :20:44.circumstances here, not least in terms of what we've been reporting

:20:45. > :20:48.with the Hillsborough inquests and other developments. James, give us a

:20:49. > :20:52.sense of the race there and how much interest there's been in it. There's

:20:53. > :20:56.been a huge amount of interest in the race here, Huw. This is probably

:20:57. > :21:02.the toughest PCC job in the country. Weapon you think about think about

:21:03. > :21:10.the issues that -- when you think about the issues that the newly

:21:11. > :21:17.elected Commissioner has to face. The unlawful verdicts last week, and

:21:18. > :21:28.Orgreave. There've been more calls for a tumble inquiry. The temporary

:21:29. > :21:33.Commissioner said he would be in for an independent look. These are the

:21:34. > :21:38.three issues Dr Alan Billings has to tackle. He had 18 months in the job.

:21:39. > :21:41.We've had three Police Commissioner elections in four years in South

:21:42. > :21:45.Yorkshire, because his predecessor has to resign over the child

:21:46. > :21:49.exploitation scandal. It gives you a sense of how much turmoil the police

:21:50. > :21:55.has been here. He's got to sit down with senior officers. He's had three

:21:56. > :21:58.Chief Constables in a week. He suspended David Crompton, appointed

:21:59. > :22:05.the deputy, but she stepped back from the job. Now he's appointed

:22:06. > :22:10.Dave Jones from North Yorkshire. Alan Billings as the newly

:22:11. > :22:14.re-elected Police Commissioner in South Yorkshire has a huge inbox on

:22:15. > :22:19.Monday morning. It will be interesting how he answers questions

:22:20. > :22:24.about how he has handled all these scandals and how he will do that in

:22:25. > :22:30.his four-year term, starting from today. I've just spoken to him after

:22:31. > :22:35.the election. He got past the 50% plus margin on the first preference.

:22:36. > :22:40.That's no real surprise in a Labour stronghold of South Yorkshire. He

:22:41. > :22:44.told me that a public inquiry into how the police handled Orgreave is

:22:45. > :22:49.inevitable. That's the decision that only Theresa May can make. She's

:22:50. > :22:52.been given submissions from the Orgreave campaigners. It is now up

:22:53. > :23:01.to Theresa May and the Home Office to see if there will be a full

:23:02. > :23:10.public inquiry, much as we had into Hillsborough, into Orgreave. James,

:23:11. > :23:14.thank you. Alan Billings is the Police and Crime Commissioner for

:23:15. > :23:21.Labour. We have elections too to the Assembly in Northern Ireland. Let me

:23:22. > :23:26.bring in my colleague Chris Buckler. Chris, the sense there of what the

:23:27. > :23:30.likely outcome is going to be. Are we likely to see a different First

:23:31. > :23:35.Minister in Stormont? What is your view? I think the view is that the

:23:36. > :23:40.Democratic Unionist Party have done exceptionally well and as a result

:23:41. > :23:44.will remain the biggest party in Stormont. Arlene Foster will remain

:23:45. > :23:49.Northern Ireland's First Minister. Sinn Fein are in second place. Let's

:23:50. > :23:55.talk about the DUP for a second. This campaign has marked a different

:23:56. > :23:59.era for the DUP. Their first female leader took over from Peter

:24:00. > :24:03.Robinson. She's been out and about. It is a very big success for the

:24:04. > :24:11.Democratic Unionist Party. It looks like a success for Sinn Fein. It is

:24:12. > :24:16.worth mentioning that in Sinn Fein's stronghold of West Belfast, where

:24:17. > :24:22.they had five seats. They've been beaten by the People Before Profit

:24:23. > :24:26.Alliance. Their candidate Gerry Carol, an anti-austerity candidate,

:24:27. > :24:30.took the top spot be a considerable lead. He says that reflects that

:24:31. > :24:33.people are unhappy with austerity measures that Stormont has had to

:24:34. > :24:37.bring in, and unhappiness with the state of he would and education. If

:24:38. > :24:44.there are going to be winners, and the DUP and shift seem to be

:24:45. > :24:48.winners, there have to be have to be losers as well -- there have to with

:24:49. > :24:54.winners and losers, and Sinn Fein seem to be the winners. The SDLP,

:24:55. > :25:00.who have a young leader, just 33 years of age, it was his birthday

:25:01. > :25:04.last week, half the age of his predecessor, Alastair McDonnell, the

:25:05. > :25:08.SDLP haven't done as well as they would have hoped. The counting

:25:09. > :25:13.continues here. We've only had 14 seats declared of 108. The

:25:14. > :25:17.complicated system of voting here which involves votes being

:25:18. > :25:21.transferred, candidates being eliminated, we won't know what the

:25:22. > :25:29.Assembly looks like probably until tomorrow evening. Chris, thank you.

:25:30. > :25:33.Underlining the strength of the DUP but not forecasting any change in

:25:34. > :25:38.terms of First Minister there with Arlene frost ter. As Chris was

:25:39. > :25:44.talking to us, more good news for the Lib Dems. Cheltenham, they have

:25:45. > :25:49.had held on to Cheltenham. Let's get details from Emily. They are still

:25:50. > :25:54.counting here. There's 12 to declare, but the key number is 21,

:25:55. > :25:58.the winning post. The Lib Dems have held that. They'll be pleased to see

:25:59. > :26:03.this, particularly after losing the Westminster seat to Conservatives in

:26:04. > :26:07.2015. The pattern overnight has been this gentle rather English recovery

:26:08. > :26:11.for the Lib Dems. Not massive gains, but they are up to and they'll be

:26:12. > :26:16.interested to see their former partners in Government, the

:26:17. > :26:21.Conservatives, down two here in a part of the world here where they

:26:22. > :26:27.have strong Lib Dem-Tory battles. We are expecting more from the London

:26:28. > :26:32.Assembly. Ealing and Hillingdon, a key battleground. Often called a

:26:33. > :26:38.bellwether. As soon as we get that one, we'll be straight back. Emily,

:26:39. > :26:41.thank you. What I want to do now is take stock. We are approaching the

:26:42. > :26:43.end of the afternoon. We've been talking about a lot of developments

:26:44. > :26:46.in local authorities. We've been talking about the latest

:26:47. > :26:51.developments in the London mayoral. What I would like to do now is to

:26:52. > :26:54.have a really good look at what's happened in that very exciting

:26:55. > :26:57.election in Scotland. We've seen Nicola Sturgeon back as First

:26:58. > :27:01.Minister, but this time with a personal mandate. A third period in

:27:02. > :27:07.office for the Scottish National Party. Significantly not with a

:27:08. > :27:12.majority this time. She's determined to soldier on and legislate, asking

:27:13. > :27:16.for support as she goes. Let's look at what's happened in Scotland

:27:17. > :27:16.overnight and during the day and join

:27:17. > :27:20.at what's happened in Scotland overnight and during the day and

:27:21. > :27:23.join Jeremy. Let's go into our virtual Scottish chamber and look at

:27:24. > :27:29.the map and see the result. This is what came in overnight. The SNP with

:27:30. > :27:34.63 seats in the Scottish Parliament. Previously they had 67. 65 is needed

:27:35. > :27:39.for an overall majority. We were wondering whether the map would be

:27:40. > :27:43.coloured yellow. It hasn't worked out that way. Very interesting. The

:27:44. > :27:52.second story of the nice is second place. Conservatives on 31 seats,

:27:53. > :27:56.beating Labour into third place. The Lib Dems into fifth behind the

:27:57. > :28:00.Greens. The map was more complex than we might have thought. There

:28:01. > :28:04.were seats that Labour defended successfully. I will flash the gains

:28:05. > :28:12.for you so you can see where exactly things changed. Conservative gain

:28:13. > :28:19.here, creating this blue collar around the south of Scotland.

:28:20. > :28:25.Dumfriesshire. Five was a gain. The night started with the Lib Dems

:28:26. > :28:29.holding on to Orkney and Shetland, signalling that they are still in

:28:30. > :28:33.the fight. They had difficulties in the other areas. Look at the centre

:28:34. > :28:38.of Scotland and see how the SNP powered through the Labour vote.

:28:39. > :28:43.This is a crucial part of the story. It is pretty much where they were

:28:44. > :28:47.five years ago, it was described as a stunning result. We have this belt

:28:48. > :28:52.around Glasgow. All the flashing seats in yellow are Labour seats

:28:53. > :28:58.that have gone to the SNP. It is true that Labour held Dunbarton

:28:59. > :29:04.north of Glasgow, and the Conservatives took Eastwood from

:29:05. > :29:08.Labour south. In the main where the SNP prospered it it was on the map

:29:09. > :29:13.at Labour's expense. We'll she the share the parties had. This shows

:29:14. > :29:20.the SNP where they were five years ago when the Parliament was last

:29:21. > :29:24.elected. 47%. In terms of the constituencies Labour and the

:29:25. > :29:29.Conservatives were quite close. If you are voting in Scotland you have

:29:30. > :29:34.two votes. One for the local representative, first-past-the-post.

:29:35. > :29:38.And the second into a regional list. 23, 22 for the Labour and the

:29:39. > :29:43.Conservatives. The Lib Dems lagging behind. The change on 2011, the

:29:44. > :29:47.all-important direction of travel graphic. SNP roughly where they

:29:48. > :29:51.were, but it was a good result back then. There's a little question mark

:29:52. > :29:56.about it, because last year's general election result saw the SNP

:29:57. > :30:01.getting 50%. 50%. Half the vote. They are now on 47. We had a

:30:02. > :30:06.conversation overnight, are we past the point of peak SNP? That's the

:30:07. > :30:10.question. It is an impressive performance. Labour are the story

:30:11. > :30:17.with this problem here going down 9%. The Conservatives then rising by

:30:18. > :30:26.comparison, up 8%. Lib Dems roughly where they were.

:30:27. > :30:33.Here the SNP were a bit lower, but this is where the Conservatives won

:30:34. > :30:39.their second place against Labour, on the second vote that they did

:30:40. > :30:44.much better than Labour. Greens 7%, Lib Dems 5%, Ukip 2%. Change on the

:30:45. > :30:49.list, again SNP roughly where they were, a bit down on 2011. It's the

:30:50. > :30:54.Conservatives making all the ground. So it was a terrible night for

:30:55. > :30:59.Labour in Scotland. It was a very good night for the SNP. And in a

:31:00. > :31:01.way, surprise secondary winners, the Conservatives, taking the second

:31:02. > :31:06.place. Thanks very much. Listening to that

:31:07. > :31:10.carefully and certainly in terms of the challenge for Labour, I'm going

:31:11. > :31:15.to bring in the Labour MP Jess Philips in Birmingham. Thanks very

:31:16. > :31:20.much for talking to us. Your sense of where Labour is at teatime today,

:31:21. > :31:24.having digested most of the results, we've got Chris Leslie in the studio

:31:25. > :31:29.saying he was hoping for far better, frankly. Where are you? I think that

:31:30. > :31:33.I am fairly nonplussed by it all. There has been no movement forward.

:31:34. > :31:36.A bit of a movement backwards and I think it's just really brilliant

:31:37. > :31:41.watching all political parties trying to spin how this has been

:31:42. > :31:46.good for them, when really the result is (inaudible) Oh, that's a

:31:47. > :31:50.shame, because Jess was just getting into her stride. Are you back? ...

:31:51. > :31:55.Spin how this has been good for them, when really... Hello? You're

:31:56. > :32:01.back with us. Sorry we lost you for a second. This is exciting and

:32:02. > :32:06.technical! Terribly exciting. Can I just thank you for producing the

:32:07. > :32:11.excitement. Lessen, pick up -- listen, pick up again and say that

:32:12. > :32:17.the spin is intriguing. The spin is brilliant. I've listened to every

:32:18. > :32:21.party, even Lib Dems saying it's been a good night for them. The

:32:22. > :32:25.result is exactly the same as it was the day before yesterday. I'm not

:32:26. > :32:30.sure why everybody's so excited and declaring their own victory. Let me

:32:31. > :32:34.lead you to the question again, which is, your assessment of

:32:35. > :32:38.Labour's performance and what that leads us to think about Mr Corbyn's

:32:39. > :32:42.leadership. Do you want to comment on that? That seems to be all

:32:43. > :32:45.anybody wants any comment on is Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. I think

:32:46. > :32:49.that it should have been a lot better, but then David Cameron's

:32:50. > :32:56.results should have been a lot better. Yeah, I wouldn't be resting

:32:57. > :33:01.tonight, putting my feet up if I was Jeremy Corbyn, thinking what a

:33:02. > :33:05.cracking job I'd done. I'd think, "Wow, I got through that all right."

:33:06. > :33:09.Are you on course to win in 2020 on these results? Erm...... No.

:33:10. > :33:13.Absolutely not. I think that I've watched some of your programme today

:33:14. > :33:16.and what we are doing at the moment is stacking up vote well in places

:33:17. > :33:20.like Birmingham, there are reasons to be cheerful. Birmingham has

:33:21. > :33:26.bucked the national trend. We have gained seats for Labour and we

:33:27. > :33:29.bucked the national trend in the 2015 election and the same is

:33:30. > :33:34.happening in London. Getting more people out to vote for Labour in

:33:35. > :33:40.already Labour seats will not win an election. So that's what we've got

:33:41. > :33:45.to focus on, making gains in places where we didn't win in 2015. It's

:33:46. > :33:49.just, what kind of goals Jeremy Corbyn is setting himself. When you

:33:50. > :33:52.said last year, you'd be looking at evidence of whether he was damaging

:33:53. > :33:55.the party's chances of electoral success. So what judgment would you

:33:56. > :33:59.reach today, given that we now have proper results to look at? I

:34:00. > :34:03.wouldn't say it's a massive body blow, but I also wouldn't say it's

:34:04. > :34:07.anything to be cheerful about. He's got to look at the results today,

:34:08. > :34:10.actually look at them and not think, oh, this is brilliant, I've done a

:34:11. > :34:13.brilliant job. Look at them, really critically and say, what the hell

:34:14. > :34:18.are we going to do now to take the next steps? This isn't about sitting

:34:19. > :34:21.there and patting ourselves on the back and people from the far left of

:34:22. > :34:24.the party congratulating themselves and feeling smug and people from the

:34:25. > :34:28.far right being sort of like, trying to plot. This is about us looking at

:34:29. > :34:32.what has actually happened today and saying - what are we going to do

:34:33. > :34:37.tomorrow to make the change? Stay with us, Chris Leslie and Matt

:34:38. > :34:42.Hancock here. Your thoughts? We're supposed to be in an era of straight

:34:43. > :34:47.talking, honest new politics. Jess has been pretty good there. She said

:34:48. > :34:51.we're not doing it well enough. I can't possibly match her. Maybe I'm

:34:52. > :34:57.from the old era, Jess. You're perfect. Jess knows my obsession,

:34:58. > :35:02.absolute obsession is winning a general election in 2020. I am sorry

:35:03. > :35:07.to keep returning to this. I think the idea that we should be content

:35:08. > :35:11.with being a protest party with our placards in Opposition is actually

:35:12. > :35:17.completely failing the people Jess and I represent. I am not content to

:35:18. > :35:21.stay in Opposition. We have got to confront the problems that we've

:35:22. > :35:25.got. There are some very, very big challenges that the leadership team

:35:26. > :35:29.have. By the way, when John McDonnell today tells people like

:35:30. > :35:35.Jess to shut up... Put up or shut up. How on earth is that being a

:35:36. > :35:38.party that is listening, that is contemplative to what the public are

:35:39. > :35:43.saying? This is our time to listen to what the public are saying. There

:35:44. > :35:46.was a difference, Chris. Say put up or shut up, in effect saying if you

:35:47. > :35:50.want to consider some kind of challenge, just get on and do it, or

:35:51. > :35:55.else just be quiet. It's in that context, isn't it? Of course, John

:35:56. > :36:00.McDonnell was always the most loyal of members of Parliament for the

:36:01. > :36:05.past 30 years and so he comes at that with great authority. I think

:36:06. > :36:10.we have a duty to our constituents and to the people of this country to

:36:11. > :36:14.not accept another, well, five years of Conservative Government. William

:36:15. > :36:20.Hill, the bookies have said that they now their odds are on not being

:36:21. > :36:24.a change of Government till 2031. I am not content with that. None of us

:36:25. > :36:28.should be. I'm really glad we've won, looks like London results

:36:29. > :36:32.brilliant. Great local councillors, slogging their guts out, holding

:36:33. > :36:39.onto their areas. My God, we have got to pull our socks up, all of us

:36:40. > :36:42.Does that mean unity though? That's what they're talking about, the

:36:43. > :36:46.rallying cry to get behind the leader will help. Unity behind the

:36:47. > :36:49.challenges that have to be confronted, right. Are we reaching

:36:50. > :36:54.out beyond our core vote? Are we talking to new people, to those

:36:55. > :36:57.areas that we have to win? You've had the Scotland analysis, I don't

:36:58. > :37:04.see those non-voters coming out for the Labour Party. I don't see us

:37:05. > :37:07.being able to build a coalition with Greens and Liberal Democrats.

:37:08. > :37:10.Shocking though it might be, we have to persuade Conservatives to vote

:37:11. > :37:15.for the Labour Party as well. That, I think, is our challenge. If we

:37:16. > :37:22.don't couldn't front those -- confront those issues and get

:37:23. > :37:25.through the momentesque time warp of unilateralism or the economy, we've

:37:26. > :37:31.got to start looking of moving to the centre ground and taking it from

:37:32. > :37:34.the Conservatives. We should be harrying these guys every inch of

:37:35. > :37:38.the way given the appalling way they're running the country and the

:37:39. > :37:41.way that David Cameron today is sitting back, quite happy, his feet

:37:42. > :37:50.up, he's hardly broken a sweat out of these results. I don't want to

:37:51. > :37:53.put a dampener on your career, I completely agree. This shows that

:37:54. > :37:58.Labour is not in touch with the sort of people who, frankly, Labour used

:37:59. > :38:01.to represent. Our job is to make sure that we keep delivering, as we

:38:02. > :38:07.are, the national living wage, just a month ago. You're not that's the

:38:08. > :38:10.problem. And one thing to pick up from what Jess was saying, which is

:38:11. > :38:14.she said everything's the same electorally as two days ago.

:38:15. > :38:21.Actually, in Scotland, it is very, very different, where the Tories are

:38:22. > :38:25.now in second place, behind a strong, compassionate, moderate

:38:26. > :38:33.Conservative leader, incredibly impressive Ruth Davidson. Our

:38:34. > :38:35.message in that election was that we have a reasonable, centrist,

:38:36. > :38:42.Conservative leader who can stand up to Nicola Sturgeon and be the only

:38:43. > :38:46.person who can. You claim that the Tory Government is delivering, that

:38:47. > :38:52.comes into question when you look at the u turn on academies for example.

:38:53. > :38:56.That was a massive about turn on a core policy, mainly opposition from

:38:57. > :39:01.your own side that finally seemed to change your mind. On that, on

:39:02. > :39:05.housing, on tax credits, you are being forced to change your

:39:06. > :39:11.policies. We listen, as we go through this. The key point is this:

:39:12. > :39:16.We had a mandate last year for five years. On schools, we have a very

:39:17. > :39:22.strong drive towards academies. We still hope to complete the acad

:39:23. > :39:28.piesation process. Of course there's a debate about how you get there.

:39:29. > :39:31.But whether it's delivering tax cuts, improving schools, more jobs,

:39:32. > :39:35.on these big things - building more houses - on the big things that

:39:36. > :39:40.matter to people that's what we're focussed on, not on talking about

:39:41. > :39:44.anti-Semitism or Hitler or all these other things and losing touch. We're

:39:45. > :39:48.totally focussed. There's no love for the Conservatives out in the

:39:49. > :39:52.country. There is no love for the Conservative Party. Instead of

:39:53. > :39:54.having, as we've seen in some of these results, people moving from

:39:55. > :39:56.the Conservatives back to the Liberal Democrats, for goodness

:39:57. > :40:00.sake, it should be coming to the Labour Party. I'm sorry if I'm

:40:01. > :40:04.frustrated and angry about this, but it's about raising our game. All of

:40:05. > :40:07.us pulling together to confront those challenges. On the academies,

:40:08. > :40:12.that is interesting, that's a big change today. You had 37 local

:40:13. > :40:16.authorities mainly Conservative authorities saying this policy makes

:40:17. > :40:20.no sense. Had you just asked us about it, we'd have told you so.

:40:21. > :40:23.This will not lead to a raising of standards, which was the precise

:40:24. > :40:27.goal of the policy in the first place, it does raise questions about

:40:28. > :40:30.the way that policy is formulated. If you did bother to ask people in

:40:31. > :40:33.the field, including some of your own friends in local government, you

:40:34. > :40:37.wouldn't have been in a position where you're having to have a U-turn

:40:38. > :40:44.on it, the day after the local elections. To put it mildly, it's an

:40:45. > :40:48.embarrassment. I think that Nicki's shown that she listens. It's easy

:40:49. > :40:53.for the immediate reaction to be about words like embarrassment, but

:40:54. > :40:59.ultimately, we are totally focussed on the goal over this whole

:41:00. > :41:04.Parliament, over five years, of delivering improved education in the

:41:05. > :41:07.same way as we want to deliver and deliver more jobs. It's the

:41:08. > :41:14.big-picture things that really matter to people that we're focussed

:41:15. > :41:16.on. Sure, you're always going to, you know, propose policies, listen

:41:17. > :41:20.to comments on them. The best thing to do is keep the focus on what

:41:21. > :41:24.really matters on the ground. It's the profusion of change really in. A

:41:25. > :41:29.few days on child refugees, you changed policy. Changing at least

:41:30. > :41:33.changing an approach in some way to the junior doctors dispute. I'm sure

:41:34. > :41:38.you'd quibble with that. There's a notable change of tone. Now on the

:41:39. > :41:42.academies as well, those are three major areas in just three or four

:41:43. > :41:46.days where you've changed position. Why? It's not to do with listening

:41:47. > :41:49.after the event. It's surely to do with a lack of thought before the

:41:50. > :41:53.policies were put into place. No, I think you're completely in the

:41:54. > :41:57.weeds. On the NHS, our manifesto commitment is a seven-day NHS. We're

:41:58. > :42:02.going to deliver that. Of course, you've got to get there and there's

:42:03. > :42:05.lots of discussion about how you do. Secondly, on schools, the drive is

:42:06. > :42:11.for academies. They increase standards. We're going to get there.

:42:12. > :42:16.Of course, you listen along the way. And on child refugees, we already

:42:17. > :42:21.had a policy of taking 3,000 child refugees. The original policy was to

:42:22. > :42:24.take them only from Syria. We've said that we'll take them also from

:42:25. > :42:28.within Europe, where that's necessary. All of these things are

:42:29. > :42:31.about being clear about what you want to achieve and then listening

:42:32. > :42:37.to people on the way to getting that. I think that's reasonable,

:42:38. > :42:42.grown-up, centre-ground politics. Rather than you know, carrying on

:42:43. > :42:45.regardless, without listening on the way. It's perfectly reasonable.

:42:46. > :42:49.Maybe it's a change of tone in politics that, if we set out the

:42:50. > :42:55.goal that we want to achieve ah, I seven-day NHS, I think you know...

:42:56. > :42:58.It's amazing, no mention of the European referendum here, which is

:42:59. > :43:02.the elephant in the room for the Conservative Party. They have had no

:43:03. > :43:07.choice because they're ripping each other to pieces on this. I mean, for

:43:08. > :43:10.us, in the Labour Party, we now have to move onto that European

:43:11. > :43:16.referendum and focus on it. This is really serious stuff now. And for

:43:17. > :43:19.our economy, and I hope that our leadership, we can all come behind

:43:20. > :43:25.that at least and do nothing that jeopardises the vote. On that note,

:43:26. > :43:30.a final point, given the need that your party leadership, the need for

:43:31. > :43:34.unity in this coming period, given the referendum's coming up, that is

:43:35. > :43:38.something that yes, you would go along with, that the Labour Party

:43:39. > :43:46.needs to be absolutely united? The run up to June 23? It's going to be

:43:47. > :43:52.a massive challenge. Being as the Tory party are such a show with

:43:53. > :43:57.regards to their unity. All we just heard is spin, spin, spin. Their

:43:58. > :44:03.backbenchers are not happy. They're getting anxious about what is being

:44:04. > :44:06.said to them in their own ranks. It's important that we, going into

:44:07. > :44:09.Europe, we make the strong and positive case. If that means the

:44:10. > :44:13.Labour Party pulling together to do that, I'll roll up my sleeves. Jess

:44:14. > :44:18.Philips, thanks for talking to us. No probs. More results coming in in

:44:19. > :44:22.the London contest. We're colouring in the map of

:44:23. > :44:26.London, slowly but surely. These are the areas we've had in so far for

:44:27. > :44:32.the mayoral contest. Look at the pattern that's emerged already. One

:44:33. > :44:37.in a safe Labour seat, one in a safe Tory seat and one in one that's

:44:38. > :44:40.changed hands. Each time you can see the swing from Conservative to

:44:41. > :44:47.Labour. It's a staggering one really.

:44:48. > :44:57.It is 11% in Merton and Wandsworth, you can see how dominant Sadiq Khan

:44:58. > :45:00.will be in this contest over Zac Goldsmith. In terms of the mayoral

:45:01. > :45:07.race so far, early days, but I think it is fair to say we are seeing a

:45:08. > :45:12.strong lead already. Sadiq Khan on 40% of the vote on first

:45:13. > :45:16.preferences, Zac Goldsmith on 39%. Let's see if we can show you what's

:45:17. > :45:23.happening now. The Conservative share of the vote down 12%. You

:45:24. > :45:27.might call it the Boris effect. He added on a good share of the dose

:45:28. > :45:31.last time, or you might say it is down to the campaigns these two

:45:32. > :45:39.individuals have been running this time around. On that kind of score,

:45:40. > :45:44.if that's mirrored across London, we should see an early victory for

:45:45. > :45:48.Sadiq Khan. Just a note from John Curtice. I may have a word

:45:49. > :45:52.Sadiq Khan. Just a note from John Curtice. I may have a word with John

:45:53. > :45:56.In a couple of seconds. At 32, says John, the net loss of council seats

:45:57. > :46:00.suffered by the Conservatives is now higher than the loss suffered by the

:46:01. > :46:06.Labour Party at 22 and the results have come to look even better for Mr

:46:07. > :46:11.Corbyn during the course of the day. Let's start on that, John, and then

:46:12. > :46:14.we'll talk about London. The conclusions you are drawing now from

:46:15. > :46:19.those net losses in the local elections are what? The picture

:46:20. > :46:24.hasn't fundamental lip changed, but during much of this morning the

:46:25. > :46:30.Conservatives were lauding the fact they were making net gains while

:46:31. > :46:36.Labour were making net losses had, small though those numbers were. The

:46:37. > :46:43.Conservatives suffered more losses than compared with Labour in 2012.

:46:44. > :46:48.Mr Corbyn has some persuading of his own parliamentary party to do about

:46:49. > :46:52.his ability to win voters. Shall we say his case has got a little

:46:53. > :46:57.stronger over the last couple of hours. Looking at London, what for

:46:58. > :47:02.you is the main point of interest for the mayoral position? The truth

:47:03. > :47:07.is, as Emily has shown you, you are looking at swings in London well

:47:08. > :47:11.above the 2% swing that Labour need on the first preference vote. If

:47:12. > :47:14.Labour come ahead on the first preference vote they are almost

:47:15. > :47:18.bound to win the election when the second preferences of those who

:47:19. > :47:22.didn't vote Conservative or Labour are redistributed. It seems pretty

:47:23. > :47:26.clear that Sadiq Khan will be the next Mayor of London. Much more

:47:27. > :47:31.difficult to calf is the Greater London Assembly. You saw that swing

:47:32. > :47:37.in Merton and Wandsworth, however the couple of list votes show

:47:38. > :47:41.Labour's vote dropping a bit. We should remember at the end of the

:47:42. > :47:46.day it will be the lest vote in London that will determine the

:47:47. > :47:52.number of seats that Labour gets. If they have won Merton and Wandsworth

:47:53. > :47:57.but not won on the list, the will get fewer seats in conversation.

:47:58. > :48:01.Another result from Ealing, yes? It is very key to remember there are

:48:02. > :48:04.these two ways of counting seats in London will. For the moment we are

:48:05. > :48:10.looking at the constituency seats. This is a Labour hold in Ealing and

:48:11. > :48:14.Hillingdon. Why is it important? It is Labour's most marginal. It has

:48:15. > :48:20.often been a bellwether in the mayoral race in the early days.

:48:21. > :48:22.Labour have held it. If we look at what's happening beneath the

:48:23. > :48:27.surface, the Conservative share of the vote is down 3%, Labour is up.

:48:28. > :48:31.And Ukip at the same time as well as the Greens. What does that mean on a

:48:32. > :48:35.swing? It is a smaller one than we've seen in other places but it is

:48:36. > :48:40.still a 3% swing from Conservative to Labour. It is quite interesting

:48:41. > :48:45.in a lot of these areas, the turnout has been up. The turnout has been up

:48:46. > :48:51.on last time round. We'll see whether that has helped Labour as

:48:52. > :48:57.well this time. Just seeing that Labour have also held City and East

:48:58. > :49:02.by a majority of nearly 90,000. That's another result in for Labour.

:49:03. > :49:07.Another strong performance for them. Just at this point, both of you, as

:49:08. > :49:14.we approach the end of the programme within about 20 minutes or so,

:49:15. > :49:19.trying to draw together some conclusions about what's been going

:49:20. > :49:25.on overnight. When you have contests which are as varied as these and are

:49:26. > :49:26.asking voters to make different decisions on different principles.

:49:27. > :49:48.In Scotland the way the country is the way the way the country is

:49:49. > :49:52.governed, and in Wales too. In the past when people have been asked on

:49:53. > :49:55.elected Mayors and the rest of it they haven't been too enthusiastic.

:49:56. > :49:59.Are you detecting that the mood on that is changing and we are likely

:50:00. > :50:05.to move to a much greater devolving of power from Westminster to local

:50:06. > :50:09.authorities? It is good to see turn-out up a bit. In some places

:50:10. > :50:13.more than others. There does seem to have been more engagement than there

:50:14. > :50:17.often is in local elections. Maybe that's because there's been such a

:50:18. > :50:22.big group of elections together. What's interesting is that the

:50:23. > :50:27.battles seem to be different in different places. So Scotland is

:50:28. > :50:32.very different, but it often is. But then some of the marginals around

:50:33. > :50:39.England look quite different to places like London, which is

:50:40. > :50:45.typically strong for Labour. So in Bury, and in Nuneaton, that huge

:50:46. > :50:50.moment on election night. Dudley Council, another marginal, there we

:50:51. > :50:55.are being a bit better, but in other areas less so. There are many, many

:50:56. > :51:02.different battles, but the central point I think is that we are six

:51:03. > :51:06.years into a government. We are broadly holding water, and we've

:51:07. > :51:14.done very well in Scotland. Labour shouldn't be going backwards. On the

:51:15. > :51:20.principle, we have elected Mayors, with more to come, Manchester, the

:51:21. > :51:26.Great Northern powerhouse, do you detect, leaving policy to one side,

:51:27. > :51:29.do you detect a great public demand for this kind of serious devolving

:51:30. > :51:33.of power to these great city regions? I think if it's the genuine

:51:34. > :51:37.and they can see that thread between themselves and who is making the

:51:38. > :51:41.decisions is. The problem is it is easy to talk about devolution when

:51:42. > :51:45.everybody knows this is what greater Manchester looks like. I'm from the

:51:46. > :51:49.East Midlands. We've been trying to get out of the Chancellor what's

:51:50. > :51:53.happening with Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire and Leicestershire.

:51:54. > :51:57.England isn't always something you can divide up into nice neat

:51:58. > :51:59.administrative areas. If you end up but too many layers, you get

:52:00. > :52:03.politicians passing the buck between them. A lot of the story tonight is

:52:04. > :52:10.yes people do vote on national issues. Some people do vote on local

:52:11. > :52:14.ones. I would say Sadiq Khan has managed to connect his authenticity,

:52:15. > :52:18.that's really shone through and that's galvanised strong Labour

:52:19. > :52:22.support. But when it comes the that national picture, we have to listen

:52:23. > :52:34.to what the electorate say, we've got a long way before we are in

:52:35. > :52:42.context with dump -- before we are in contention to win that 2020

:52:43. > :52:46.election. There's been a third historic victory for the SNP and

:52:47. > :52:51.Nicola Sturgeon has give a pledge to people who didn't more the SNP,

:52:52. > :52:57.pledging she will try to govern on behalf of everyone regardless of

:52:58. > :53:01.their party affiliation. Let's go to Westminster and talk to Tommy

:53:02. > :53:04.Shepherd. Thank you for coming in to talk to us. Your thoughts on the

:53:05. > :53:08.outcome in Scotland and maybe to focus not on your party's win maybe,

:53:09. > :53:11.but you will want to talk about that, but you are facing a new

:53:12. > :53:16.opposition in the Conservatives. I do think you have to say that after

:53:17. > :53:20.nine years in Government it was quite remarkable for any party to

:53:21. > :53:27.get a third term of office. Not only do we do that but with the best ever

:53:28. > :53:34.election results in the Scottish Parliament elections. More votes and

:53:35. > :53:38.a higher share for us. I congratulate Ruth Davidson. She's

:53:39. > :53:41.done a good job of detoxifying the Conservative brand in Scotland. We

:53:42. > :53:47.have to point out it looks better than it is, because Labour have done

:53:48. > :53:52.so badly. Ruth has only succeeded in getting the Tories back to almost

:53:53. > :53:58.where they were after the end of two terms of Margaret Thatcher's

:53:59. > :54:04.Government in the 1980s. It is a better than it was. We look forward

:54:05. > :54:07.to being opposed by Ruth and working constructively with her and other

:54:08. > :54:10.parties to take the Scottish Government forward. It is a 16-seat

:54:11. > :54:15.gain for the Conservatives. That's why they are in the main opposition

:54:16. > :54:20.place. What for you will now be the main policy debates? Scotland? It is

:54:21. > :54:25.interesting Ruth Davidson said one of the reason she thought she won

:54:26. > :54:28.the seats she won is she offered a clear narrative on the union and

:54:29. > :54:33.opposing the second referendum. Referendum. She thought lots of

:54:34. > :54:37.people came to the Conservatives in Scotland because she was offering

:54:38. > :54:42.what's the Conservatives weren't offering. I think she was guilty at

:54:43. > :54:46.times or obsessing on a second referendum. She mentioned very

:54:47. > :54:52.little else. I hope she can put that away and get on with being a good

:54:53. > :54:57.opposition. Chats what she set out to be and what she achieved. The

:54:58. > :55:02.main problems in Scotland, as we set out in our manifesto, defending and

:55:03. > :55:04.improving public services, our housing crisis, and making sure that

:55:05. > :55:09.kids in working class communities get as much out of the education

:55:10. > :55:13.system as everyone else. Just a thought at this point as well,

:55:14. > :55:24.Tommy. I mentioned policy there. What do you think, when Nicola

:55:25. > :55:29.Sturgeon talks about prioritising education, what do you think it will

:55:30. > :55:33.entail in policy and spending terms? There can be consensus across many

:55:34. > :55:37.of the parties on this, and many politicians. Everyone agrees

:55:38. > :55:41.something needs to be done to make sure that working class kids have

:55:42. > :55:44.the same chances to get on in the education system as those from a

:55:45. > :55:49.middle class or a better off background. It does seem to be an

:55:50. > :55:54.intractable problem. This new administration is going to leave no

:55:55. > :55:59.stone unturned. The First Minister has asked to be judged by this above

:56:00. > :56:04.all else. I firmly believe her when she says she is going to close that

:56:05. > :56:07.attainment gap. That will mean putting a focus and money into

:56:08. > :56:11.schools where it is not happening. It will mean making sure we improve

:56:12. > :56:14.the education available in these areas and encourage people to take

:56:15. > :56:17.it up. Rather than the obsession, which appears to be happening in

:56:18. > :56:21.England, about the governance of schools themselves. We'll get on

:56:22. > :56:24.with improving the education system. There's ?500 million that will go

:56:25. > :56:28.straight to head teachers in the areas that most need it in order to

:56:29. > :56:36.bring the standards up in those areas. Tommy Shepherd, thank you

:56:37. > :56:40.very much. A pleasure, Huw. Police and Crime Commissioners, we are

:56:41. > :56:48.getting more results in. I am going to join my colleague in Bridlington

:56:49. > :56:55.to talk about the Humberside result. Labour here are confident their

:56:56. > :56:57.candidate has unseated the incumbent Conservative Police and Crime

:56:58. > :57:01.Commissioner for the Humberside force area. Labour's Keith Hunter is

:57:02. > :57:07.a former senior police officer. He didn't get enough votes to win this

:57:08. > :57:11.on the first preference ballot but on the second preference ballot is

:57:12. > :57:17.is more than 20,000 votes ahead and looks like he is heading for

:57:18. > :57:20.victory. There's a sense of deja vu around us here in Bridlington,

:57:21. > :57:25.because four years ago Labour's candidate was John Prescott, Lord

:57:26. > :57:29.Prescott, former Deputy Prime Minister, who was ahead on first

:57:30. > :57:32.preference votes but lost it when those all important second

:57:33. > :57:37.preference votes were counted. I don't think that's going to happen

:57:38. > :57:41.this time round. It looks like we are heading for a Labour gain here

:57:42. > :57:46.in Humberside. STUDIO: Just a quick thought about

:57:47. > :57:51.the profile of the campaign. Overall turnout this these contests, 22%.

:57:52. > :57:55.When you have high-profile people involved like a former achieve

:57:56. > :57:59.Superintendent or a Deputy Prime Minister, the race has a different

:58:00. > :58:04.profile. What sense do you have of the impact the job has had on that

:58:05. > :58:08.area, for example? Based on current turnout, the turnout was up this

:58:09. > :58:12.year, just under 23% in the Humberside force area. But the last

:58:13. > :58:17.Police and Crime Commissioner elections took place in November, on

:58:18. > :58:21.a day when there were no other local elections happening on the same day.

:58:22. > :58:26.On the streets of Bridlington today it is a sunny day in this East

:58:27. > :58:30.Yorkshire seaside resort. Police are not talking about Police and Crime

:58:31. > :58:34.Commissioners. When I mentioned the job description, they shrugged their

:58:35. > :58:41.shoulders. There is still a lot of work to to do for the man - and it

:58:42. > :58:44.is likely to do for the man - and it is likely to be Keith Hunter - who

:58:45. > :58:49.wins this role here in Humberside. Thank you. A quick comment from eve

:58:50. > :58:52.of you on Police and Crime Commissioner. People are saying the

:58:53. > :58:56.level of interest has been disappointingly low. Was it worth

:58:57. > :59:02.the effort and investment? I think tonight, this afternoon, they are

:59:03. > :59:08.showing their value. There is that one result and there's Conservative

:59:09. > :59:11.victories in Kent, West Mercia, Warwickshire, Lincolnshire, all

:59:12. > :59:18.taking over from independents. Turnout was low in some places but

:59:19. > :59:21.in other areas was remarkably high for quite a specialist election.

:59:22. > :59:25.They have done a great job in the last four years and they are

:59:26. > :59:29.becoming increasingly Ed Miliband bed bid. They are good news. And

:59:30. > :59:33.your attitude to the PCCs and Labour's attitude, which I think has

:59:34. > :59:41.changed. Do you think changed. Do you think it should be

:59:42. > :59:46.It would be difficult to go back to the previous arrangement. There is

:59:47. > :59:50.talk that what they, do the Government are talking about

:59:51. > :59:54.combining them with fire authorities or even other grander combined

:59:55. > :59:59.authority, local authority leadership, almost like in London.

:00:00. > :00:03.The thing that I worry about is - do people know who their Police

:00:04. > :00:07.Commissioner is? And if things go wrong, is that where the buck stops

:00:08. > :00:11.or do they default to MPs and the Prime Minister? I think we have a

:00:12. > :00:14.long way to go to properly inform people, who is your Police

:00:15. > :00:17.Commissioner and what they do. Where they do know, like in

:00:18. > :00:23.Nottinghamshire, they get great results. Where it works, I think it

:00:24. > :00:28.can really fly. Turnout is much improved on last time. Some of the

:00:29. > :00:34.incumbents... Couldn't be any lower, could it? Well, it could have been.

:00:35. > :00:42.15%. It's gone up significantly. Some of the incumbents who've done a

:00:43. > :00:45.good job, I mentioned Tim Passmore, a big increase because he spoke to

:00:46. > :00:49.people and represented the police to the ordinary voter. It's worked

:00:50. > :00:56.well. More results coming in. Let's join Emily.

:00:57. > :00:59.Take you to the London Assembly, Havering and Redbridge, the most

:01:00. > :01:01.eastern seat on the Assembly. It's vulnerable normally for the

:01:02. > :01:05.Conservatives. They have held on here. You can see how tight that

:01:06. > :01:10.vote is between the two main parties. This is why, it's the

:01:11. > :01:13.presence of Ukip coming in, up 9%. They stood last time round. They've

:01:14. > :01:16.made real gains of 9% this time round. The swing is not really

:01:17. > :01:21.between those two parties. Curiously, we've had a tweet in the

:01:22. > :01:25.last few moments from Wes Streeting, the Labour MP, who said he thinks

:01:26. > :01:30.that Ken Livingstone's remarks have had a bad effect on Labour here. I'm

:01:31. > :01:33.not looking at that Ukip result whether he's totally right on that

:01:34. > :01:38.one. People are trying to make sense of results that are coming in that

:01:39. > :01:40.are bucking that initial trend. Here's another one City and East

:01:41. > :01:44.London, a Labour hold. But this is the first place where we've seen

:01:45. > :01:49.that Labour share of the vote go down. Down by 5%. Why? Again, it

:01:50. > :01:54.could be the presence of Ukip here, making gains of 5% or it could be

:01:55. > :01:59.Respect making gains since 2011 of 3% for the party. Don't forget, they

:02:00. > :02:02.had a problem with the mayor in Tower Hamlets, Respect mayor, a

:02:03. > :02:07.while ago. They don't seem to have been set back by that. Some quite

:02:08. > :02:11.interesting results here. Once again, turnout up in all these seats

:02:12. > :02:16.by 10%. I don't know whether it's the publicity maybe that this

:02:17. > :02:19.mayoral contest has generated or Ken Livingstone's remarks, but it's

:02:20. > :02:21.having an effect on voters, more going to the polls. That's very

:02:22. > :02:26.interesting. Thanks very much. I want to bring in

:02:27. > :02:30.Councillor Sam Tarry, for Barking Dagenham, also on the steering group

:02:31. > :02:34.for Momentum. He joins us from Westminster. Thanks very much for

:02:35. > :02:37.coming in. We've heard lots from Jess Philips and from Chris Leslie

:02:38. > :02:41.here about their concerns about this result. Why don't you give us your

:02:42. > :02:45.perspective of how you think Labour's done overnight and where it

:02:46. > :02:49.stands today. Look, clearly Scotland is very difficult. No matter who was

:02:50. > :02:53.leading the Labour Party that was always going to be a very tough

:02:54. > :02:58.call. Across the country from the Midlands to the south coast,

:02:59. > :03:05.Hastings up to Derby, including places like Norwich, I pitch and

:03:06. > :03:15.places like -- Ipswich and Harlow, they held on. After the innessant

:03:16. > :03:20.comments and -- innessant comments -- incessant comments and attacks,

:03:21. > :03:23.we've moved forward. People want to hear the message that Corbyn has got

:03:24. > :03:32.that he's offering hope and he Shh... Is having -- is having

:03:33. > :03:38.resonance in middle England. London, stonking results. We saw there a

:03:39. > :03:45.90,000 majority. Admittedly a Labour strong hold. Nearly a 10% swing to

:03:46. > :03:52.Labour, potentially Labour's best ever result on the GLA. Across the

:03:53. > :03:55.piece as well, turnout levels up. That huge enthusiasm for Jeremy, if

:03:56. > :04:01.we're honest, hasn't been found right the way across the country,

:04:02. > :04:07.but it has, in many key places, played a pivotal role. Look at Clive

:04:08. > :04:11.Lewis in Norwich, knocking out the Greens. Here in London, huge

:04:12. > :04:17.increases in activism and people on the streets. The reality is the

:04:18. > :04:22.Tories set up the campaign in London as this so-called experiment, Corbyn

:04:23. > :04:30.experiment NASA deeck would be -- experiment that Sadiq would be

:04:31. > :04:35.Corbyn's man. They've utterly failed. The desperation what have is

:04:36. > :04:38.one of the most appalling and racist campaigns that the Conservatives

:04:39. > :04:45.have ever run in the last 30 years, I think, has had a resounding kick

:04:46. > :04:49.boss back from Londoners -- kickback from Londoners who say that kind of

:04:50. > :04:52.nasty politics is not what we want. Labour have been handed a tremendous

:04:53. > :04:56.victory. I mean, I think it's actually a case in some of those

:04:57. > :05:01.places, weighing the vote for Labour. Sadiq has won a superb

:05:02. > :05:05.campaign. He's had to fight back against such an awful campaign,

:05:06. > :05:08.that's turned off Londoners. That hope and inspiration that Jeremy's

:05:09. > :05:13.brought over the summer is actually there and actually really delivering

:05:14. > :05:17.for us in the streets, in terms of people coming out, campaigning. New

:05:18. > :05:27.act investigates on the doorstep and across the country -- activists. We

:05:28. > :05:34.have held on in touch places and made huge advances. The crowning

:05:35. > :05:39.glory in London, Sadiq Khan will be crowned the Mayor of London. Thank

:05:40. > :05:42.goodness he ran a clean and decent campaign, standing up for Londoners,

:05:43. > :05:46.with real policies to change London for the better. Zach Goldsmith,

:05:47. > :05:50.frankly, needs to hang his head in shame.

:05:51. > :05:55.Very quickly, if I may, we're up against the clock, those people you

:05:56. > :05:59.call the naysayers, what they're saying seriously is based on this

:06:00. > :06:03.performance you are not likely to be heading for a Labour victory in

:06:04. > :06:06.2020. That is the main thing, as far as they're concerned, to get Labour

:06:07. > :06:10.into power and put Labour policies into practice. What do you say to

:06:11. > :06:14.them? I think we're quite a long way off from the last general election.

:06:15. > :06:19.We're not actually gone back, we've gone forward, aprart from in

:06:20. > :06:23.Scotland. That's a separate debate. From what those people are saying,

:06:24. > :06:27.perhaps if some of them had shut up and put up or actually stopped

:06:28. > :06:30.laying into Jeremy so much over the last few weeks, we'd have gone

:06:31. > :06:34.further and held more places. They have a lot to answer for. The

:06:35. > :06:38.reality is this is a process of building and this is actually a sure

:06:39. > :06:43.and steady step forward and in London, obviously, it's a huge leap

:06:44. > :06:51.forward. Good of you to come in. Thank you very much for talking to

:06:52. > :06:54.us. Pleasure. Sam Tarry there on the steering group for Momentum such a

:06:55. > :06:58.strong supporter of Jeremy Corbyn. Let's take stock. Local elections in

:06:59. > :07:04.England, where are we now that we've had a lot of debate about woulds won

:07:05. > :07:09.and lost? Let's join Jeremy again. Let's look at those councils in

:07:10. > :07:13.England. With have nearly all of them, a dozen or so to come. The key

:07:14. > :07:18.thing about the map, the striking thing is that 24 hours ago it looked

:07:19. > :07:23.roughly the same. If I get to flash the gained councils, I'm struggling

:07:24. > :07:29.find any, Peterborough, a Conservative gain. Dudley goes from

:07:30. > :07:34.Labour to no overall control. Woir. Basically the map is as it was 24

:07:35. > :07:38.hours ago. The question then is what we actually read into that? It's

:07:39. > :07:43.interesting hearing that last interview about this is a platform

:07:44. > :07:47.for Labour to advance and so on. Certainly Labour have founted an

:07:48. > :07:50.effective -- mounted an effective defence during this election. If I

:07:51. > :07:55.ask the map to flash the Labour seats, these were ones where if you

:07:56. > :07:58.read the papers and you listen to the pundits you're thinking Jeremy

:07:59. > :08:02.Corbyn is not in a position to defend, let us say Labour's control

:08:03. > :08:06.of Exeter down here. Or in Southampton, where this council is

:08:07. > :08:11.red, next to Liberal Democrat Eastleigh or further along the south

:08:12. > :08:14.coast, this is way outside Labour's natural territory, that's why we're

:08:15. > :08:18.focussing on the south, in Hastings, for example. The interesting thing

:08:19. > :08:23.as these results came in, they didn't just hang onto all of them,

:08:24. > :08:32.he pretty much kept them. He didn't lose any of them. We have Stevenage,

:08:33. > :08:35.Harlow, and Crawley and Slough flashing red, successfully defended

:08:36. > :08:39.by this Labour leader. The question is whether an effective defence of

:08:40. > :08:43.Labour's existing assets is enough to give a clue to the next general

:08:44. > :08:47.election result, whether it's going to take them towards a win in 2020.

:08:48. > :08:50.Because you can do perfectly well defending what you've got, but you

:08:51. > :08:55.need to move forward. That's the key thing for Labour. Some context here,

:08:56. > :09:00.let's lock at projected national share, the outcomes of elections in

:09:01. > :09:03.these years going back to 2010. General election year groun lost for

:09:04. > :09:06.-- Gordon Brown lost for Labour. Let's look at the scores here.

:09:07. > :09:11.Labour were challenged by the Liberal Democrats. They barely

:09:12. > :09:15.managed to scrape second here. The Conservatives ahead. What's

:09:16. > :09:19.interesting is go on one year beyond that general election and you see

:09:20. > :09:27.this. Here we have almost the position that we've ended up with

:09:28. > :09:29.tonight. Labour 1% ahead, 36% for Labour, 35% here for the

:09:30. > :09:33.Conservatives, the Lib Dems beginning to be punished for the

:09:34. > :09:36.coalition, separate story. They'll be right down here throughout this

:09:37. > :09:40.graph. If you're Labour and you're starting to think this is good,

:09:41. > :09:46.well, yeah, maybe. It didn't go onto a win at the 2015 general election.

:09:47. > :09:50.2012, here we are, 38% for Labour, 31% for the Conservatives. This was

:09:51. > :09:58.the high point for Ed Miliband. You can see as we move on through the

:09:59. > :10:02.graph to 2015, 35% for the Conservatives, 29% for Labour, 13

:10:03. > :10:05.for Ukip and 11 for the Liberal Democrats. We were comparing a lot

:10:06. > :10:09.with 2012, because that was the year in which these council seats were

:10:10. > :10:13.last fought. Labour were ahead then and they've mounted an effective

:10:14. > :10:16.defence of many of the seats and councils that they had at that

:10:17. > :10:22.stage. A comparison with this year is interesting too. Let's look.

:10:23. > :10:27.General election year 2015 shows the Conservatives on 35. Now we have

:10:28. > :10:31.them down to 30%. Labour up to 31. Back to you.

:10:32. > :10:35.Thank you. We're just approaching the end, so thanks to you and your

:10:36. > :10:39.team for illustrating lots of these points so vividly for us overnight

:10:40. > :10:43.and today. It's been very enjoyable. Thanks very much to you and everyone

:10:44. > :10:49.in the green corner over there. Sure. And thanks to Emily too.

:10:50. > :10:54.Emily, adding lots of detail, very important detail for us on lots of

:10:55. > :10:58.these results. A last word? I don't think we'll get the full result in

:10:59. > :11:03.before we go off air, make of this what you will, a clear picture is

:11:04. > :11:08.emerging now. Labour's Sadiq Khan on the mayoral race with five of the 14

:11:09. > :11:13.seats in already is on 41% share of the vote to Zach Goldsmith on 39%.

:11:14. > :11:19.Remember, we've had more of the Tory heartlands in at this point. For

:11:20. > :11:22.Labour to be in the lead of plus 6%, Conservatives falling backwards

:11:23. > :11:29.minus 11 is very good news for Sadiq Khan. He is beating Boris in a

:11:30. > :11:33.couple of those places, Ealing and Merton, an extraordinary place for

:11:34. > :11:36.Labour to be in London tonight. ( Emily, thanks to you and the team

:11:37. > :11:40.over there for adding so much information for us as the night went

:11:41. > :11:43.on, especially when there were so many results coming through and

:11:44. > :11:49.being on top of that. Tim is in City Hall for a quick update. A couple of

:11:50. > :11:54.sentences on how things look now. Electronic counting almost complete

:11:55. > :11:58.here. The computers saying yes, Sadiq Khan appears to have won by a

:11:59. > :12:04.Brite good margin. Constituencies are coming in fairly regularly. The

:12:05. > :12:10.turnout too looks up on last year, maybe 45%. Professor Tony Travers

:12:11. > :12:15.has said it seems like an endorsement of the mayoral model.

:12:16. > :12:18.Thanks again for your constant updates from City Hall. A sentence

:12:19. > :12:23.each gentlemen. Chris, your concluding thought after a very long

:12:24. > :12:27.night and a long day of results. Delighted about what looks like a

:12:28. > :12:30.big Sadiq Khan victory. I'm mortified by us come intoing third

:12:31. > :12:35.place in Scotland -- coming into third place in Scotland. There are

:12:36. > :12:39.lessons there about where the people want us to move, to the centre

:12:40. > :12:44.ground, as Sadiq has in London. They don't want to go down the militant

:12:45. > :12:49.momentum experiment, unfortunately we dalied with too much in Scotland.

:12:50. > :12:53.As for the rest, it's for me, about focussing on the mountain range we

:12:54. > :13:00.need to scale to win the general election and unfortunately, we're

:13:01. > :13:03.not really yet at those foot hills. Six years into Government to be

:13:04. > :13:08.holding our own in council election ises good, but then to cap that off

:13:09. > :13:11.with Ruth Davidson's victory in Scotland, a modern, compassionate

:13:12. > :13:15.Conservative really taking the fight up there and we're back in Scotland

:13:16. > :13:19.and that is great news. Thank you both for being with us during the

:13:20. > :13:23.day. I'm bound to say for his sterling work and his team on the

:13:24. > :13:28.ball economy, John, thank you so much for being with us, Professor

:13:29. > :13:34.John Curtis, for giving us such expert guidance You're welcome. Of

:13:35. > :13:38.course, Jo, just a final thought? Briefly, listening to the two here

:13:39. > :13:40.present their cases, of course, you're going to hear Scotland

:13:41. > :13:44.triumph say the Conservatives come intoing second place. Humiliation

:13:45. > :13:48.for you, but triumph in London. Good to have you with us. Thank you

:13:49. > :13:52.for being with us overnight and in the day. Lots more on the BBC News

:13:53. > :13:58.channel and on BBC News online. Bye for now.