:00:00. > :00:00.So it's not far off now, next Thursday, we go to the polls
:00:07. > :00:09.to choose who represents us locally and who will form
:00:10. > :00:14.Just what will be the winning arguments
:00:15. > :00:35.Welcome to Election 2017, Where You Live.
:00:36. > :00:38.Joining us tonight are politicians from the five main parties.
:00:39. > :00:40.Suella Fernandes from the Conservatives, Simon Letts
:00:41. > :00:42.from Labour, Layla Moran from the Liberal Democrats,
:00:43. > :00:44.Martin Lyons from Ukip and Larry Sanders from the Green
:00:45. > :00:54.As you can see, we also have an invited studio
:00:55. > :01:10.And you can join in the debate at home, using the hash tag...
:01:11. > :01:12.Let's get straight to our first question, from Chrissy Pollard.
:01:13. > :01:18.Now then, isn't it time that the future of health and social
:01:19. > :01:20.care was taken away from politicians and given to an independent panel
:01:21. > :01:35.Layla Moran, what do you say to that?
:01:36. > :01:38.Broadly speaking, yes, we need to be listening to people
:01:39. > :01:42.I think Jeremy Hunt has done something incredible,
:01:43. > :01:44.which is united all of them against him.
:01:45. > :01:47.Which just goes to show how badly needed this is.
:01:48. > :01:52.But that said, I do think that there needs to be democratic
:01:53. > :01:55.accountability and currently, he isn't directly responsible
:01:56. > :02:01.for these decisions that are being made.
:02:02. > :02:04.I would support elements of for example NHS reinstatement
:02:05. > :02:07.bill, which suggest that we have to make sure that there is proper
:02:08. > :02:10.accountability to him, so that these decisions can't be
:02:11. > :02:12.then left to the local CCGs, who then make decisions
:02:13. > :02:14.about efficiency savings that affect local communities.
:02:15. > :02:24.We need to be able for that link to be strong.
:02:25. > :02:29.Well, in a democracy, I suppose, in the end,
:02:30. > :02:31.the decisions have to be left to politicians.
:02:32. > :02:33.If you are going to be spending a vast amount
:02:34. > :02:36.of money raised from people, who would you give it to?
:02:37. > :02:39.But in the middle of all that, and I think what has
:02:40. > :02:41.gone drastically wrong, is we have had politicians
:02:42. > :02:48.who are kind of, I don't know what the right word is,
:02:49. > :02:51.they say the last thing they heard in the pub about things.
:02:52. > :02:58.In education, it's that you shouldn't be reading American books.
:02:59. > :03:02.You think they are not expert enough?
:03:03. > :03:04.They are not expert enough and they are too quick.
:03:05. > :03:07.So what you have to have, I don't think you can legislate
:03:08. > :03:10.for it but they have to be responsible and part of that
:03:11. > :03:12.responsibility is listening very closely to the people
:03:13. > :03:15.And in most cases, that will be professionals
:03:16. > :03:21.The junior doctors would say, Suella Fernandes,
:03:22. > :03:24.for the Conservatives, there is a crisis in the NHS.
:03:25. > :03:26.And that social care, certainly in local authorities,
:03:27. > :03:36.I don't agree there's a crisis in the NHS.
:03:37. > :03:37.I think we've got to keep perspective...
:03:38. > :03:41.Because when you look on improvement...
:03:42. > :03:43.And this is not me talking, this is independent studies.
:03:44. > :03:49.On the last five, ten, three years, we have seen dramatic
:03:50. > :03:52.Cancer survival rates are at record high.
:03:53. > :03:54.Dementia diagnosis is at a record high.
:03:55. > :03:57.We have had for the first time introduced waiting time targets
:03:58. > :04:01.I think those are all significant improvements that have been
:04:02. > :04:04.delivered as a response to people, professionals, talking and speaking
:04:05. > :04:09.In answer to the question, I don't think that we should just
:04:10. > :04:25.And there needs to be a strong element of accountability,
:04:26. > :04:28.so that this money and if you are not happy with the decisions
:04:29. > :04:34.that are being made, you can get rid of those decision-makers.
:04:35. > :04:37.Chrissy, what do you think of the answers from politicians here?
:04:38. > :04:39.Do you get better ones from professionals?
:04:40. > :04:41.I can't believe that you don't understand that people don't trust
:04:42. > :04:46.They don't trust any of the parties, they can't understand why
:04:47. > :04:49.they are queueing up to going to hospitals in ambulances,
:04:50. > :04:51.why their families are sick, the elderly can't be seen,
:04:52. > :05:06.What do you think about the situation in the NHS at the moment?
:05:07. > :05:09.Certainly people are working long hours under huge
:05:10. > :05:12.But what I'm looking for from the politicians
:05:13. > :05:15.is really their thoughts on how are we going to make
:05:16. > :05:17.and how they want to make the NHS sustainable,
:05:18. > :05:26.No, it needs a lot more than just money.
:05:27. > :05:31.And money in the right places, but I think there is something more
:05:32. > :05:33.substantial than that, which is how do we make the system
:05:34. > :05:37.And I've not really heard anything from the politicians yet
:05:38. > :05:39.which gives me the confidence that they have got
:05:40. > :05:43.a real understanding of the nature of the problem.
:05:44. > :05:47.There has been money promised by your party but it needs more
:05:48. > :05:55.We need to get the NHS working collectively as one organisation
:05:56. > :05:59.and I would like to agree with you, to start with because I didn't get
:06:00. > :06:04.You've got to take the NHS and social care out of the political
:06:05. > :06:08.We need to come to a national consensus about treating these
:06:09. > :06:11.We need a national care service to go alongside
:06:12. > :06:18.Larry Sanders says you need democratic accountability.
:06:19. > :06:20.Possibly the greatest achievement of the 1945 Labour government.
:06:21. > :06:22.And there won't be a private solution to this.
:06:23. > :06:25.I would call for a national social care service to match the health
:06:26. > :06:28.service and for a consensus about how to pay for it
:06:29. > :06:31.because we can't go on just arguing about which tax
:06:32. > :06:34.you are going to raise or which tax you are not going to raise.
:06:35. > :06:36.And the simple reason is the demographics of the country
:06:37. > :06:39.mean that we have to get a grip of this before the NHS
:06:40. > :06:50.Now, Romesh, you run a care home, is that right?
:06:51. > :06:56.Tell us the situation for social care at the moment.
:06:57. > :07:01.The budgets are being cut hugely, several people now forced
:07:02. > :07:03.to be cared for at home, informally by their own families
:07:04. > :07:06.because they don't meet the local authority criteria any more.
:07:07. > :07:08.And secondly, fees paid to providers like myself are now
:07:09. > :07:11.We really have to think twice about accepting local
:07:12. > :07:32.How could we pay better for the NHS and social care?
:07:33. > :07:35.Well, my local council recently put up their council tax by 4.99%
:07:36. > :07:38.to help pay for health and social area little bit more.
:07:39. > :07:39.Which I thought was pretty reasonable.
:07:40. > :07:42.The problem is you get loads of people complaining about having
:07:43. > :07:45.to pay a little bit more for an NHS which is pretty damn great.
:07:46. > :07:47.We all go there for free and get treated.
:07:48. > :07:55.If people want a better NHS then perhaps they need to pay for it.
:07:56. > :07:57.Perhaps they need to pay for it, Martin Lyons?
:07:58. > :08:04.Ukip's approach is apart from the finance piece
:08:05. > :08:07.which is to divert foreign aid back into the health service,
:08:08. > :08:10.one of the big problems we have and I have just done four years
:08:11. > :08:13.as a county council, so when I hear the Tory party
:08:14. > :08:15.talking about how wonderful it is to cut 48 million
:08:16. > :08:18.from the county's social care budget, it's a little bit rich.
:08:19. > :08:20.The problem is often poor management.
:08:21. > :08:26.On the part of the politicians or within the services?
:08:27. > :08:27.Within the service and the politicians.
:08:28. > :08:30.I mean, when you are running a business, you are responsible
:08:31. > :08:42.I think it is very easy to blame managers for the problems
:08:43. > :08:45.The real problem is the demographic changes in our society,
:08:46. > :08:48.that is what we are facing at the moment.
:08:49. > :08:52.It's a very different world now that we are in.
:08:53. > :08:54.And really, the model has got to change from the model
:08:55. > :09:01.which was really about acute problems, heart attacks,
:09:02. > :09:02.appendicitis, pneumonia, that sort of thing.
:09:03. > :09:07.To supporting people with long-term conditions, frailty,
:09:08. > :09:13.Deborah Choudhury, how would you like to see it paid for?
:09:14. > :09:15.I don't have an issue with paying more in tax,
:09:16. > :09:18.if I was truly hand on heart felt that the money would
:09:19. > :09:23.I think the concern is that you can pour money in but it is how
:09:24. > :09:25.I have cared for individuals at home.
:09:26. > :09:27.I have had experience of the care sector.
:09:28. > :09:30.And I've seen good, bad and quite frankly ugly use of money.
:09:31. > :09:33.I believe that tax, if it is using the right way,
:09:34. > :09:39.If you can convince people that the money will be spent wisely.
:09:40. > :09:42.This government has taken so long to even recognise mental health,
:09:43. > :09:49.so why would we want to believe you now?
:09:50. > :09:51.They are saying mental health will now be treated the same
:09:52. > :09:54.It has taken so long to recognise it.
:09:55. > :10:01.Just going back to the social care issue, I think there needs to be
:10:02. > :10:06.I meet many constituents who come to me, who are very anxious
:10:07. > :10:09.about the prospect of having to sell their own home and facing
:10:10. > :10:14.care costs which they don't know how to plan for.
:10:15. > :10:18.Don't you think they are going to be even more anxious, now we have heard
:10:19. > :10:21.first of all their might not be a cap, then there will be a cap...?
:10:22. > :10:24.There is a lot of uncertainty around your proposals.
:10:25. > :10:27.Theresa May has been very clear in saying
:10:28. > :10:29.that there will be a cap on the fees.
:10:30. > :10:32.She has also been clear in saying that no one
:10:33. > :10:38.That is ridiculous, she can't guarantee that.
:10:39. > :10:40.The cap will be assessed in consultation with
:10:41. > :10:42.users of the service, with charities, with professionals.
:10:43. > :10:45.That is the appropriate way, to set a cap which is
:10:46. > :10:51.The question was about management of the health service.
:10:52. > :10:55.Let's give you a classic example, that we have got rid of nurse led
:10:56. > :10:57.walk in the centres, for example, which will divert
:10:58. > :10:59.people away from A, and into those centres.
:11:00. > :11:01.That will save thousands and thousands and thousands of pounds.
:11:02. > :11:09.Now, can someone tell me why we've not done that,
:11:10. > :11:12.because we are going way against that, we're not doing that,
:11:13. > :11:19.but we should be and yet everybody in the health service is saying...
:11:20. > :11:22.I think we really need to go to the root of the matter.
:11:23. > :11:27.The amount of money that has been taken away from it means it can't
:11:28. > :11:31.The Green party and I think this is common sense says social
:11:32. > :11:38.If you come out of hospital, they've done what they can do for you,
:11:39. > :11:41.you come home and you can't feed yourself, can't dress yourself,
:11:42. > :11:44.have you suddenly not become a health problem?
:11:45. > :11:47.So you are, so the solution is to put the two together,
:11:48. > :11:50.the national health service, which includes social care,
:11:51. > :11:54.which is based on the same principles as the NHS.
:11:55. > :11:57.Why should people who are unlucky enough to have a long illness
:11:58. > :12:00.have a different outcome in life than people who are lucky enough
:12:01. > :12:11.Avril, you have multiple sclerosis, is that right?
:12:12. > :12:14.You pay for some of your own care now.
:12:15. > :12:17.How do you feel about what the politicians are saying to you?
:12:18. > :12:20.Well, I am absolutely appalled by the Conservative manifesto,
:12:21. > :12:23.the fact that we will possibly have to lose our home
:12:24. > :12:30.Would that not have been the case anyway, that you have to pay
:12:31. > :12:33.for a lot of care in your illness and now they are saying
:12:34. > :12:40.Well, they haven't stated a cap, have they?
:12:41. > :12:44.I mean, there's been a lot of scaremongering and I just
:12:45. > :12:47.want to use this opportunity to clarify the situation.
:12:48. > :12:51.At the moment, you can pay for your fees and all you are allowed
:12:52. > :12:54.After that point, it is means tested.
:12:55. > :12:57.That could run down your savings until ?14,000.
:12:58. > :13:02.What we are proposing is that when you are going to be
:13:03. > :13:05.able to protect ?100,000 and the government will not be able
:13:06. > :13:08.to go into that ?100,000 - that is an increase on the amount
:13:09. > :13:22.The Dilnot Inquiry looked at this and in some detail
:13:23. > :13:25.that they would implement it and then right after 2015,
:13:26. > :13:30.There has been a lot of work done on this already.
:13:31. > :13:33.On the funding, can I just say, the Liberal Democrats are being
:13:34. > :13:36.If we are going to properly fund the NHS, then, yes,
:13:37. > :13:39.we are going to have to pay more taxes and what we are saying
:13:40. > :13:43.is a penny on the pound on income tax, which a lot of people think
:13:44. > :13:46.is a good idea, ring-fenced for the NHS to solve the initial
:13:47. > :13:48.crisis, which would include social care, as well as NHS.
:13:49. > :13:51.Simon Letts, that's clear, a penny on the pound,
:13:52. > :13:55.Well, the complexity here of first of all the Conservative proposal
:13:56. > :13:59.is that when you have your care needs dealt with, you are being
:14:00. > :14:02.cared for in your own home, the council will have to pay upfront
:14:03. > :14:04.and then put a charge on people's properties.
:14:05. > :14:08.It may come later, it may come years later.
:14:09. > :14:11.Dealing with the complexities of council budgets, let alone
:14:12. > :14:14.the fairness of that, is almost impossible to determine.
:14:15. > :14:23.They have got to take it away and have another look.
:14:24. > :14:30.They have said they are going to consult on this, and means testing.
:14:31. > :14:33.Who in the audience would like to pay more for the NHS and social
:14:34. > :14:40.care? Raise your hand, please. How many of you are happy to lose your
:14:41. > :14:46.House in later life? The Heinz came down very fast. But save 100,000.
:14:47. > :14:52.One hand hesitated a little bit there. I was lucky enough to inherit
:14:53. > :14:56.some money and spent it on the care of my husband. Regarding social
:14:57. > :15:00.care, people used to go into residential care when they were well
:15:01. > :15:03.and walking around. Now, lots of people at home and in care homes
:15:04. > :15:11.require lots of specialised nursing care. That is the pharmaceutical
:15:12. > :15:17.companies you can blame without getting everyone addicted to their
:15:18. > :15:21.drugs. I think that the answer for the NHS would be to legalise
:15:22. > :15:26.marijuana and treat people medically with that. There is proof around the
:15:27. > :15:31.world, scientific evidence which shows that it is yours cancer and
:15:32. > :15:37.can treat epilepsy, so many illnesses that it can help with. It
:15:38. > :15:46.is worth all billion dollars over in the States. You just look over
:15:47. > :15:51.there. -- $7 billion. All the money that has been paid in over the
:15:52. > :15:54.years, national insurance stamps, so on and so forth, why wasn't it ring
:15:55. > :16:03.fenced instead of being used elsewhere? It is a generational
:16:04. > :16:07.question, isn't it? It has been ring fenced and protected on the NHS,
:16:08. > :16:13.that is why we've been able to commit to ?8 billion spending on the
:16:14. > :16:18.NHS. The NHS said that was only enough to fill out a missing amount
:16:19. > :16:28.of money, not keep up with demand. I think that is sufficient. Simon
:16:29. > :16:33.Letts. They have not said that there are ?22 billion they have got to
:16:34. > :16:38.change and save through STP plans which are not deliverable. We are
:16:39. > :16:46.committed to enough money to be able to fill that gap and do more. Martin
:16:47. > :16:52.Lyons, how much? It is actually more than that because nobody has
:16:53. > :16:56.factored in the PFI that sits there quietly, the hospital trusts are
:16:57. > :17:03.having to pay back. The realism is that nobody really knows. The ?30
:17:04. > :17:09.billion was a well worked out bigger. It is a lot more than ?8
:17:10. > :17:16.billion. The gap is utterly ridiculous. We had ?20 billion over
:17:17. > :17:21.the last five, six years of efficiency savings. We are not
:17:22. > :17:26.stupid. Efficiency savings means cuts. The genius of the efficiency
:17:27. > :17:38.savings, the big cup, was cutting wages. There are more nurses in the
:17:39. > :17:42.NHS. You asked about that. What is your reaction to what they are
:17:43. > :17:47.seeing? There should be an amalgamation of health and social
:17:48. > :17:52.services. Then they can be much more innovative in working out plans. A
:17:53. > :17:57.lot of people are looked after in separate care homes and nursing
:17:58. > :18:00.homes. Not all of them have a resident doctor or adequately
:18:01. > :18:07.trained staff, sometimes, to look after very ill people. I can give an
:18:08. > :18:11.example of someone who's Aegean Sea failed overnight. My friend had to
:18:12. > :18:15.go into a care home. They could not deal with his difficult medical
:18:16. > :18:17.needs and he was whisked off to accident and emergency to deal with
:18:18. > :18:23.them. He then returned home quite soon after and he was very ill, and
:18:24. > :18:32.died. That could have been averted, if things had been better organised
:18:33. > :18:36.at home. Kurt Dickenson, you work in Worthing Hospital. I work at West
:18:37. > :18:43.Sussex Hospital trust in Worthing. Recently we were awarded outstanding
:18:44. > :18:52.by the CQC. We are doing a good job in Worthing. Is it in crisis? There
:18:53. > :18:57.are lots of front-line units under a lot of pressure. I would like to say
:18:58. > :19:00.about bonding, isn't it time with inflation moving upwards, is time to
:19:01. > :19:06.revisit the public sector freeze at 1%? A lot of hospital staff are
:19:07. > :19:11.really quite demoralised by that, and recruitment is a big issue, with
:19:12. > :19:18.1%. Let's talk about the economy. We can only put that money if we are
:19:19. > :19:23.raising it from somewhere. Adam is in the audience. What is your
:19:24. > :19:28.question? What is more important to you, the society and the life we
:19:29. > :19:35.live than, is it just about the money? I do think these two are
:19:36. > :19:37.mutually exclusive. I am proud of being conservative and British
:19:38. > :19:43.because we are compassionate society. My mother was a nurse for
:19:44. > :19:47.45 years. And I salute all of those professionals on the front line you
:19:48. > :19:53.give so much. Our public services, whether it is health, schools, other
:19:54. > :19:59.provisions from the state, all of that can only survive and achieved
:20:00. > :20:07.great outcomes if we have a strong and stable economy. I've heard that
:20:08. > :20:15.before. Strong and stable, we have heard that before! I agree with it!
:20:16. > :20:18.And over the last seven years, we have turned around the recession
:20:19. > :20:25.that Labour left us with, cutting the deficit, increasing standards in
:20:26. > :20:34.schools, increasing the number of apprentices, by making work pay. It
:20:35. > :20:38.is hard to know where to start. It is not as though we have to work
:20:39. > :20:42.building or doing something no matter how menial or ridiculous it
:20:43. > :20:46.is, and then the tax it and then we do a little bit of that for
:20:47. > :20:52.something useful like the NHS and education. Education and the NHS our
:20:53. > :20:56.work, they are production. We can have a society that does what we
:20:57. > :21:01.want it to do. If we want it to care for people than we care for people.
:21:02. > :21:08.The economy is the people of the country doing their work. But it has
:21:09. > :21:13.to be paid for, by taxes. No, no. We have had decades now in which the
:21:14. > :21:17.wealth and income of the country have been carefully siphoned off
:21:18. > :21:23.from the bulk of us to the very richest people. All we need to do...
:21:24. > :21:28.APPLAUSE All we need to do is turn that
:21:29. > :21:33.around. The Green Party has said yes, high taxes on which people. And
:21:34. > :21:36.we have put down the exact details of how we would do that. We can
:21:37. > :21:42.raise a lot of money and have a marvellous society. This business of
:21:43. > :21:49.penny-pinching and worrying that someone is getting a band aid too
:21:50. > :21:54.much doesn't come through. Some of the people having to pay these taxes
:21:55. > :21:58.and raise money is Gareth, here. He's an estate agent. He also
:21:59. > :22:03.represents the Chamber of Commerce. What do you think about what is
:22:04. > :22:07.being said by the Green Party? I think he is spot on. I would be
:22:08. > :22:14.happy to pay more money to provide better social care, education. As
:22:15. > :22:19.the Lib Dems are saying I would happily pay an extra 1p in the pound
:22:20. > :22:21.on income tax. You have got to pay for it somehow. Either get the
:22:22. > :22:29.country into more debt or the country has got to pay for it. I am
:22:30. > :22:33.fed up of hearing figures and everything about money. I would vote
:22:34. > :22:37.for someone who actually cares about people. And that is probably the
:22:38. > :22:41.majority of people and voters. We care about people who care about
:22:42. > :22:47.people and not just the money. What are your thoughts on that? Let's
:22:48. > :22:51.take a couple more comments. Education is even more expensive.
:22:52. > :22:57.When we look at the it over the last seven years there has been a 22%
:22:58. > :23:01.decline in proportion of GDP of money that has gone into education.
:23:02. > :23:04.I and many of my colleagues in West Sussex would say that
:23:05. > :23:07.Shouldn't it be made a priority in terms of taxation
:23:08. > :23:16.I was a secondary school teacher for 20 years and our kids have been
:23:17. > :23:19.And I have just gone on demonstrations that
:23:20. > :23:22.are about the funding cuts that are coming to Southampton schools.
:23:23. > :23:24.One school will lose around ?1000 per pupil.
:23:25. > :23:27.That's equivalent of 20 teachers who will have to be made redundant.
:23:28. > :23:29.You can't run an education system like that.
:23:30. > :23:32.You do need to invest, and you've got to think of it
:23:33. > :23:34.as an investment rather than just a single sum game.
:23:35. > :23:36.Because if we invest in our young people,
:23:37. > :23:39.that will pay back in terms of economic growth and in terms
:23:40. > :23:42.of the country being better for everybody in terms of the taxes
:23:43. > :23:47.that are raised and the way that we can take the whole thing forward.
:23:48. > :23:49.Simon, your Labour manifesto leaves a ?58 billion black hole.
:23:50. > :23:51.How is that money going to be raised?
:23:52. > :23:56.You make all these promises. You raise people's hopes.
:23:57. > :23:59.And when you borrow or tax more, it's our children who will pay.
:24:00. > :24:01.I'll tell you how it works, basically.
:24:02. > :24:04.Let's take corporation tax as an example.
:24:05. > :24:07.Now, big businesses in this country pay the lowest rate of tax
:24:08. > :24:09.on their profits of anywhere in the Western world.
:24:10. > :24:18.In the US, almost double the amount we are paying.
:24:19. > :24:20.Now, if we took it back to where we inherited it,
:24:21. > :24:22.what the Conservatives inherited in 2010, we could have
:24:23. > :24:25.raised ?20 billion just on that one tax rise alone.
:24:26. > :24:27.But, would we actually raise that money?
:24:28. > :24:28.Or would that actually drive companies
:24:29. > :24:31.Why doesn't it drive companies away from Germany,
:24:32. > :24:36.And, when Britain lowered corporation tax, when
:24:37. > :24:39.the Conservatives lowered it to 20%, we saw tax revenue from corporation
:24:40. > :24:42.tax rise, because we became a magnet for companies and more investment,
:24:43. > :24:50.It doesn't have to be as low as you've made it.
:24:51. > :24:53.And, in fact, increasing it again, to 20%, would raise
:24:54. > :24:58.Our policy, for example, is to put a ?7 billion injection
:24:59. > :25:01.into education and to ring fence it in real terms after that.
:25:02. > :25:04.I'm a primary school governor, so, for the first time,
:25:05. > :25:07.We have done everything we can to safeguard actual
:25:08. > :25:11.The next thing to go are the TAs and the teachers.
:25:12. > :25:14.It's going to be bigger class sizes and less choice for students.
:25:15. > :25:42.If we don't get it right when we start, we are doomed for the rest of
:25:43. > :25:47.our time and that has an obligation on things like hell. We have spoken
:25:48. > :25:51.about health and social care. We cannot encourage people to be
:25:52. > :25:55.healthier, more active, if we don't get education right. You mentioned
:25:56. > :26:03.Mirabelle phones. It is how we in bed that kind of knowledge. -- you
:26:04. > :26:06.mentioned mobile phones. We hear from Theresa May talking in
:26:07. > :26:09.Maidenhead about the new grammar school, then making that national
:26:10. > :26:15.policy. What do you think about grammar schools? I think it is good
:26:16. > :26:20.but I see a different way. We have selection throughout our lives.
:26:21. > :26:23.Every one on this stage has been selected, at 16 for college, at 18
:26:24. > :26:29.for university, we are selected for jobs. Throughout life we have
:26:30. > :26:32.selection. It is about making sure that that person has the right
:26:33. > :26:37.experience in the education sector. It could be that we have more
:26:38. > :26:42.ability to work with. Selection is a good thing if we get the funding
:26:43. > :26:52.behind that selection, that investment. The question is, is it
:26:53. > :26:54.about money or people? Good management is about people, and one
:26:55. > :26:56.of the problems we have in Hampshire is that...
:26:57. > :26:58.The problem is, in Hampshire, that we are losing teachers,
:26:59. > :26:59.on average, five years after post-qualification.
:27:00. > :27:03.So we invest all that time, effort and money to bring them forward.
:27:04. > :27:06.We then don't support them, and they leave.
:27:07. > :27:08.They are under stress. They have got targets to meet.
:27:09. > :27:14.And that is how we spend the money and just looking
:27:15. > :27:31.Tuition fees, I think the Labour Party have the Nanning amazing job
:27:32. > :27:40.to engage with the youth but that is not going to affect me. Those are
:27:41. > :27:45.going to be the new voters coming in. That won't affect me. I have
:27:46. > :27:52.just gone through three years underground. I am still going to be
:27:53. > :27:58.out of pocket. I do think it will be interesting to see if it does swing
:27:59. > :28:06.younger voters but if it gets them interested in politics then it's
:28:07. > :28:11.brilliant. You, sir. You are in the Prime Minister 's constituency. Yes,
:28:12. > :28:15.I live in Maidenhead and I would love to go to university next year.
:28:16. > :28:18.I have always loved the Labour Party but I am not going to vote for the
:28:19. > :28:23.Labour Party this year because you have got to ask yourself, how are
:28:24. > :28:29.they going to pay for all of these children to go to university? Where
:28:30. > :28:33.is the money going to come from? I think a lot of the time with the
:28:34. > :28:42.Labour Party, it is promises without any way to fund it. Simon Letts?
:28:43. > :28:47.Have a look at the numbers. They are set out. It is only for size, it is
:28:48. > :28:49.a short read. The numbers are set out, how the money would be raised
:28:50. > :28:57.and where it will go. There will be tax rises
:28:58. > :29:00.if Labour win power. And there will be
:29:01. > :29:01.a lot of borrowing. So the issue really for me
:29:02. > :29:08.on the students' position is if a child leaves university
:29:09. > :29:11.at 21 and is then saddled with 35, ?45,000 worth of debt,
:29:12. > :29:13.and then they have to get onto the housing ladder,
:29:14. > :29:16.and then they have got... You cannot saddle people with that
:29:17. > :29:19.amount of debt at the very You have got to find a way
:29:20. > :29:22.of supporting them because... Instead of having to pay that debt
:29:23. > :29:25.back, they will be investing that money in their homes,
:29:26. > :29:28.and in the society that we live in. Every election, young people
:29:29. > :29:34.are putting this box, Talking about distribution
:29:35. > :29:41.of wealth in the country, you've got this generational gap
:29:42. > :29:43.where older people are asset rich and they could leave those houses,
:29:44. > :29:46.worth a lot of money, That may not happen with this
:29:47. > :29:49.new social care plan. We could see a lot
:29:50. > :29:51.of wealth disappear. I want policies for
:29:52. > :29:53.more young people. This throwing money
:29:54. > :29:56.at things really galls me. You go to the supermarket
:29:57. > :30:00.and they say, if you come to the checkout, they say,
:30:01. > :30:03.that will be so many pounds and you say, you think
:30:04. > :30:05.I want to solve my problems Well, of course you have
:30:06. > :30:09.to throw money at it. And the money has to
:30:10. > :30:14.come from somewhere. First of all, the money has
:30:15. > :30:18.to come from somewhere, I think it should come based
:30:19. > :30:20.on wealth and income. Progressive taxation has been a rule
:30:21. > :30:23.in Western society for a long time. But it has been deleted
:30:24. > :30:25.over recent years. And poorer people pay more,
:30:26. > :30:31.VAT is the same on everybody. Margaret Thatcher had higher tax
:30:32. > :30:41.levels than we have now. Dwight Eisenhower, another great
:30:42. > :30:44.socialist, had even higher levels. Over a long period of time,
:30:45. > :30:50.a certain group of people Larry, I think there
:30:51. > :30:56.is a problem in your argument. Universal tuition fees
:30:57. > :30:58.being offered, proposed by the Labour Party,
:30:59. > :30:59.just won't work. Tuition fees would put people off
:31:00. > :31:02.going to university? We actually now have a record
:31:03. > :31:09.high numbers of students from disadvantaged backgrounds
:31:10. > :31:11.going into university Because the loans that they are
:31:12. > :31:15.offered are only paid back at a certain threshold
:31:16. > :31:17.and after some time, And that money gets ploughed back
:31:18. > :31:23.into our universities, so that they can compete
:31:24. > :31:27.on the world stage. That is much more sustainable
:31:28. > :31:32.and a fairer way. Why should we all be funding wealthy
:31:33. > :31:36.students to go to university to earn more than what many of us
:31:37. > :31:39.maybe are learning? As a candidate from a university
:31:40. > :31:42.town, I also know that a lot of students are put off
:31:43. > :31:45.going to university in the first place because they can't
:31:46. > :31:47.afford the living costs. Which is why it is incredibly
:31:48. > :31:50.important that we have got to bring back educational maintenance
:31:51. > :31:54.allowance for the poorer students. We have talked about the economy and
:31:55. > :32:02.how we will pay for these services. Let's talk about the reason
:32:03. > :32:04.the election was called Glyn Hall, director
:32:05. > :32:16.of a printing company. You are the director
:32:17. > :32:18.of an Oxfordshire printing company. What do you think about us
:32:19. > :32:21.leaving the European Union? A great idea because
:32:22. > :32:22.you can't have... If you actually look
:32:23. > :32:26.at the sovereignty and All the negotiations with the world
:32:27. > :32:29.trading organisation. None of us really know what deals
:32:30. > :32:33.we can get with other countries for other things
:32:34. > :32:35.because we are stuck You are not concerned
:32:36. > :32:38.about your future revenue I personally believe the economy
:32:39. > :32:42.will be very buoyant because it will give people who are trying
:32:43. > :32:45.to work for themselves actually more Layla Moran, your appeal to people
:32:46. > :32:52.over Brexit has fallen I'm sorry, I've spoken to a lot
:32:53. > :33:00.of people who also own printing companies who have told me
:33:01. > :33:02.they are incredibly We also have university grants,
:33:03. > :33:05.research grants, ?2.2 billion of grants come from the EU
:33:06. > :33:08.in this country. We are looking at, in my view,
:33:09. > :33:14.what is going to be a disaster And so what we are saying to people
:33:15. > :33:19.is that we need to make sure we don't go down this path that
:33:20. > :33:22.Theresa May wants is to go down, this hard Brexit,
:33:23. > :33:30.where we leave the single market, will we no longer have
:33:31. > :33:34.rights for EU citizens. How many different industries
:33:35. > :33:35.have already asked They are so worried
:33:36. > :33:42.about the workforce disappearing. Martin Lyons, it is not
:33:43. > :33:45.nearly as simple as it Well, truth be known,
:33:46. > :33:49.all the candidates to my right, they have all got some questions
:33:50. > :33:52.to answer because 42 years, we have been hearing
:33:53. > :33:54.the same fear tactics, spin about Europe and if we don't
:33:55. > :33:57.go in, we will lose After 42 years, we kind of realised
:33:58. > :34:02.that is not actually the case. That by leaving the European Union
:34:03. > :34:05.we can forge our own future, create jobs with the rest
:34:06. > :34:07.of the world. It is just so short-sighted
:34:08. > :34:09.and so narrow-minded that it's a good job the British people have
:34:10. > :34:16.finally woken up. This time last year,
:34:17. > :34:20.cast your minds back, we were being told by the Bank
:34:21. > :34:23.of England, the IMF, the World Bank, all these
:34:24. > :34:25.international institutions, Barack Obama as well,
:34:26. > :34:27.that there would be recession, there would be job losses,
:34:28. > :34:29.there would be disaster You think it will get
:34:30. > :34:38.worse when we leave? Trust me, when we go
:34:39. > :34:47.through with it, especially the way Theresa May wants to go
:34:48. > :34:50.through with it, I think then we are going to know what a crisis
:34:51. > :34:54.is and it is going to be... I don't think you need to get
:34:55. > :35:01.so worried about it because... I have young children that have
:35:02. > :35:06.to grow up into a world where the economy is not going to be
:35:07. > :35:09.any better off. It is good to be worse off
:35:10. > :35:12.and for you to sit there and say that Britain 's people have finally
:35:13. > :35:15.woken up and all these people have said, all these bankers,
:35:16. > :35:18.this is going to happen and this is going to happen and
:35:19. > :35:20.it has not happened, Suella Fernandes, how much
:35:21. > :35:25.is it going to cost us How much do you think
:35:26. > :35:34.it is going to cost? Can I just say that in the last 12
:35:35. > :35:38.months we have had the fastest We have seen record
:35:39. > :35:43.employment in this country. I can't see a recession
:35:44. > :35:47.on the horizon. If anybody really thought that
:35:48. > :35:49.things were going to go well with the whole negotiation
:35:50. > :35:52.and the state of the economy, wouldn't they be saying,
:35:53. > :35:54.at the end of the negotiations when we know what is going
:35:55. > :35:57.to happen, we will have These people do not want
:35:58. > :36:00.the public to have another say because they know
:36:01. > :36:10.what it is going to look like. Let's just take some points
:36:11. > :36:13.from the audience here. It's all very well talking
:36:14. > :36:21.about the economy and everything else, if we do actually leave,
:36:22. > :36:24.the Financial Times said today they had identified 259 treaties
:36:25. > :36:26.we would have to renegotiate There were three people in the trade
:36:27. > :36:35.office after the referendum. And just a little bit
:36:36. > :36:37.further down, sir? I just don't understand
:36:38. > :36:38.the question. We voted to leave and
:36:39. > :36:40.leave we should do. And there shouldn't be
:36:41. > :36:45.another vote afterwards. If it is such a good deal,
:36:46. > :36:48.why not vote on it? It is like following your
:36:49. > :36:50.SatNav off a cliff. Because you started
:36:51. > :36:56.off in that direction. As an ex-history teacher,
:36:57. > :37:04.some people need a history lesson. The question should be,
:37:05. > :37:09.can we afford to stay in? 2016, net contribution,
:37:10. > :37:11.8.6 billion a year, net contribution, but the point is,
:37:12. > :37:17.that is money that has gone out of our pockets that could be
:37:18. > :37:19.looking after our elderly, This country has been stripped
:37:20. > :37:24.of its fishing industry, its steel industry,
:37:25. > :37:25.its coal industry. Up north, there are
:37:26. > :37:30.third-generation unemployed. These parties must be
:37:31. > :37:38.called to account. I agree with all those problems
:37:39. > :37:43.but the EU didn't do those problems. You have recently been given UK
:37:44. > :37:51.citizenship, haven't you? And I am part of the
:37:52. > :37:54.grass-roots delegation. I have met Michel Barnier and the EU
:37:55. > :37:57.Commission have got negotiation directives regarding EU citizens
:37:58. > :37:59.here and the Brits abroad that Theresa May
:38:00. > :38:01.is terribly concerned about. And he has summarised his
:38:02. > :38:08.directives as follows, that the 4.5 million people,
:38:09. > :38:10.their rights should be guaranteed so they can
:38:11. > :38:13.continue their daily lives as though And bear in mind that most of those
:38:14. > :38:16.4.5 million people couldn't And the Brexit secretary,
:38:17. > :38:29.David Davis, today has been reported as saying the European Union demands
:38:30. > :38:32.to protect its citizens rights We have not been able to see
:38:33. > :38:43.Theresa May or David Davis. We have not been able to get any
:38:44. > :38:46.appointments with them. But my question is, if David Davis
:38:47. > :38:49.thinks that these demands are ridiculous fee hike,
:38:50. > :38:50.which rights particularly would you remove and that is not
:38:51. > :38:54.just from us, it is also The first point of course
:38:55. > :39:03.is that we have got 13,000 EU citizens living
:39:04. > :39:05.in the city of Southampton. The first thing we did on the day
:39:06. > :39:08.after the referendum was seek They have come to our country
:39:09. > :39:13.to build their lives here, their children are in our local
:39:14. > :39:15.schools, they are contributing to our local economy,
:39:16. > :39:18.and as a point of first principle, we should look after those people
:39:19. > :39:21.and also the British people That should be agreed straightaway
:39:22. > :39:27.and it should have been agreed by now and the fact we are using it
:39:28. > :39:30.as a negotiating tool We are beginning already
:39:31. > :39:33.do see a brain drain. I have been speaking to businesses
:39:34. > :39:35.up and down the constituency. We know that people are leaving
:39:36. > :39:38.because they are uncertain about where their kids
:39:39. > :39:41.are going to go to school next year, They know that the EU are willing
:39:42. > :39:46.to do what it takes to make sure they are safe and they are leaving,
:39:47. > :39:49.so we need to make sure... Come and speak to them
:39:50. > :39:52.in my constituency and it There has never been as far as Ukip
:39:53. > :40:01.is concerned anything other than if you are here legally,
:40:02. > :40:04.you are fine to stay. Do you want to come and talk to me
:40:05. > :40:14.about individual cases about people who have been turned down
:40:15. > :40:17.by the Home Office? I have got a whole case
:40:18. > :40:20.study booklet that I have The UK Government is not interested
:40:21. > :40:25.in our case studies. Should these people be bargaining
:40:26. > :40:27.chips, Suella Fernandes? I think we need to gain perspective
:40:28. > :40:32.on this issue as well. The majority of EU nationals in this
:40:33. > :40:35.country will have a very legal basis They have got nothing
:40:36. > :40:39.to worry about. And this reckless scaremongering
:40:40. > :40:41.by political opponents to try The reality is that many
:40:42. > :40:48.EU nationals will have EU citizens are currently
:40:49. > :40:57.being turned down. I know we are talking
:40:58. > :41:01.here and we are all based in the South and I can understand
:41:02. > :41:04.and people should not But we voted for Brexit
:41:05. > :41:08.and we just don't know... I understand the concerns we have
:41:09. > :41:11.all got, we just don't know. But for the first time,
:41:12. > :41:13.people are starting to listen And your own personal experience
:41:14. > :41:19.colours how you voted. And I think we needed our
:41:20. > :41:21.sovereignty back to get innovative and creative again
:41:22. > :41:32.with our own country. I think you are right when you talk
:41:33. > :41:35.about this north-south thing and of course it is not really
:41:36. > :41:38.geography, it is really the economy. We have got large chunks of this
:41:39. > :41:41.country where industry has been gone for decades and nothing has been
:41:42. > :41:44.done to readdress that. That is a lazy, stupid kind
:41:45. > :41:48.of government that said, But we can do better and that
:41:49. > :42:00.in my mind there are two things... Ladies and gentlemen,
:42:01. > :42:47.thank you so much for your excellent Antonsson at the side which one is
:42:48. > :42:53.the best one to vote for. Brexit is a game changer. A generational game
:42:54. > :42:56.ginger. Homeless issues need to be sorted, mental issues need to be
:42:57. > :43:00.sorted, this debate about care homes, taking money away from kids
:43:01. > :43:04.in schools. The children in schools today are our future, later. If they
:43:05. > :43:08.don't get education they will be the same as the people I am feeding on
:43:09. > :43:13.the streets now with no job and nowhere to live. If the NHS is still
:43:14. > :43:16.in crisis, I think it will be for a long time. And I think it is a
:43:17. > :43:20.dreadful thought, the taxes from the rich, were they taken abroad and
:43:21. > :43:26.hidden away? I'm sorry, they should be made to pay up. I am undecided, I
:43:27. > :43:33.am probably more undecided now. I don't think it has helped me much.
:43:34. > :43:40.What of it was clean water was problems. I mean, we can talk about
:43:41. > :43:45.the problems all day long. Everyone can point those out. But nobody is
:43:46. > :43:49.really bringing forward solutions, so... I don't know how we can join
:43:50. > :43:53.up health and social care. We haven't been able to do that for so
:43:54. > :43:57.long. There has been a crisis in social care since I started work in
:43:58. > :44:01.1960, and we still haven't solved it.
:44:02. > :44:05.Hear the arguments from the politicians themselves.