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:00:10. > :00:16.Months of protests, thousands dead and growing international pressure.

:00:16. > :00:20.Still, Syria's Foreign Minister reacts defiantly to the decision to

:00:20. > :00:24.suspend his country from the Arab League. If the Arab League's

:00:24. > :00:34.decision to suspend Syria's membership is a seriously dangerous

:00:34. > :00:41.

:00:41. > :00:45.Welcome to GMT, I'm Naga Munchetty. Also in the programme: They are

:00:45. > :00:48.appointed, not elected, but Italy and Greece hope the new technocrat

:00:48. > :00:53.leaders will put their economies back on-track.

:00:53. > :00:59.If in Norway, Anders Behring Breivik, the man who confessed to

:00:59. > :01:05.killing 77 people in July, has made his first court appearance.

:01:05. > :01:08.Hello, it is 12:30pm here in London, 1:30pm in Brussels and it is early

:01:08. > :01:12.afternoon in Damascus which is where international pressure is

:01:12. > :01:16.mounting on Syria to end months of repression that began in March and

:01:16. > :01:20.has left thousands of people dead. European foreign ministers are

:01:20. > :01:26.meeting in Brussels to tighten sanctions against President Bashar

:01:26. > :01:30.al-Assad's regime. The Arab League voted to suspend Syria's membership.

:01:30. > :01:35.Still, Syria remains defiant. The country's Foreign Minister, Walid

:01:35. > :01:43.Al-Moualem, has condemned the move and said Syria will not be treated

:01:43. > :01:48.as another live via -- Libya. From the Syrian government, some

:01:48. > :01:53.grand Theatre. A series of pro- government demonstrations

:01:53. > :01:57.encouraged and choreographed by the authorities. It is all designed to

:01:58. > :02:01.stress Syria's anger and defiance at being suspended from the Arab

:02:01. > :02:06.League. Many of these Syrians genuinely support President Assad.

:02:06. > :02:12.Many others have been pushed to attend. The government has not lost

:02:12. > :02:16.its centre of self-righteousness. TRANSLATION: That Arab League

:02:16. > :02:21.decision has not been issued by a unanimous vote. It is illegal. It

:02:21. > :02:26.does not rely on the legality of the Charter of the league. We have

:02:26. > :02:31.said in the past and we would like to stress again, that Syria has

:02:32. > :02:36.dealt and is dealing with the fires of reforms and dialogue and for

:02:36. > :02:40.halting blood spilling of the citizens. The the Foreign Minister

:02:40. > :02:46.did apologise to these attacks at the weekend on the embassies of the

:02:46. > :02:51.countries which have been toughest on Syria, including Qatar, Saudi

:02:51. > :02:56.Arabia and Turkey. It seems Syria now regrets a move which just

:02:56. > :03:01.antagonised its opponents and made any compromise with the Arab League

:03:01. > :03:07.any less likely. Already, ministers from the European Union are meeting

:03:07. > :03:11.to discuss further sanctions on Syria, with new pressure also for

:03:11. > :03:16.action at the UN Security Council. We have taken very strong measures

:03:16. > :03:22.in the European Union, as I said, we can add to those. I don't see

:03:22. > :03:27.any other, the most specific proposition that we can react to.

:03:28. > :03:31.We will discuss things further at the United Nations Security Council.

:03:31. > :03:35.Sanctions are already biting, although these queues for gas at

:03:35. > :03:40.the city of Homs, could have been caused by the government trying to

:03:40. > :03:44.starve out the opposition who are strong there. A ban on the sale of

:03:44. > :03:48.Syrian oil to Europe is hitting a vital source of currency for

:03:48. > :03:51.President Assad's government. Opposition supporters have been

:03:51. > :03:55.celebrating the Arab League decision but already calling for

:03:55. > :04:02.more. They want a no-fly zone and military intervention but for the

:04:02. > :04:06.moment, those are not on the agenda. In men, we will talk to our

:04:06. > :04:11.correspondent Matthew Price in Brussels -- in a moment. First of

:04:11. > :04:16.all, we can speak to Jonathan Head in Istanbul. I do not think Turkey

:04:16. > :04:19.could have made its position any more clear? I think now the Turks

:04:19. > :04:24.are making it absolutely clear that they have given up on President

:04:24. > :04:31.Assad, a man with whom they have built the strongest relationship

:04:31. > :04:37.with any government. Turkey says it will now back the justified demands

:04:37. > :04:41.of the Syrian people by campaigning against the Syrian government. They

:04:41. > :04:47.are angry about the attacks on its embassies but they also angry at

:04:47. > :04:51.the failure of President Assad for the promises he made earlier this

:04:51. > :04:57.year. It does not want to go out on its own taking international action

:04:57. > :05:01.against Syria, it wants action from the United Nations, China and

:05:01. > :05:06.Russia. That could change if the Arab League stands by its

:05:06. > :05:10.suspension. Turkey is talking about imposing more sanctions and as one

:05:10. > :05:15.of Syria's biggest trading partners, they could have a big impact,

:05:15. > :05:21.especially if it targets banking or the oil industry. A lot of Turkish

:05:21. > :05:24.businesses would lose out. It has not yet formally recognised the

:05:24. > :05:28.Syrian National Council as a representative of the Syrian people.

:05:28. > :05:35.The big steps from Turkey is yet to come but the language is very

:05:35. > :05:40.hostile against the Syrian government. Jonathan, thank you.

:05:40. > :05:45.Matthew, in Brussels, leaders' meeting today, what is expected to

:05:45. > :05:49.come out of this meeting? I have been led to believe there what will

:05:49. > :05:56.happen is there will be a tightening, if you like, of the

:05:56. > :06:01.sanctions -- sanctions. Further sanctions against the individuals

:06:01. > :06:07.who EU foreign ministers believe are connected with the repression

:06:07. > :06:15.in Syria. Also trying to cut off even more the financial flows to

:06:15. > :06:19.Damascus. It is expected the investment bank will cease

:06:19. > :06:24.disbursing its loans to Syria. That is all part of a strategy from the

:06:24. > :06:32.European Union to further isolate Damascus. What Jonathan has been

:06:32. > :06:37.talking about also feeds into that strategy. As Jonathan said, they

:06:37. > :06:41.need the Arab League countries to be applying pressure. And then that

:06:41. > :06:44.other thread of this, if you like, the sanctions on one hand out of

:06:44. > :06:49.Europe, the pressure from the Arab League but the third important

:06:49. > :06:54.thing coming from the UN, trying to brush countries like Britain,

:06:54. > :06:57.Germany, France and others, trying to push for a very strongly worded

:06:57. > :07:02.Security Council resolution condemning what has been going on

:07:02. > :07:07.in Syria. At the moment it looks like the Chinese are starting to

:07:07. > :07:13.come more on to that side. The big hold out in the Security Council as

:07:13. > :07:17.of are the Russians. The foreign policy chief for the European Union,

:07:17. > :07:21.Catherine Ashton, is going to Moscow on Friday for talks with the

:07:21. > :07:24.Russian Foreign Minister. One source has told me that although

:07:24. > :07:27.they do not hold out great hopes that it might yield anything, she

:07:27. > :07:30.will be trying to put as much pressure as possible on the

:07:30. > :07:39.Russians to change their approach against Syria. There is not much

:07:39. > :07:44.hope that at this stage they are likely to do that. Thank you.

:07:44. > :07:50.The King of Jordan has called on the Syrian President to step down.

:07:50. > :07:57.In an exclusive interview with the BBC's Lyse Doucet, King Abdullah

:07:57. > :08:03.said he feared more violence. would believe that if I was in his

:08:03. > :08:08.shoes, I would step down. However, if I was in his position, if it was

:08:08. > :08:14.me, I would step down and make sure that whoever comes behind Make has

:08:14. > :08:18.the ability to change the status quo of what we are seeing. I don't

:08:18. > :08:22.think the system allows for that. If President Bashar al-Assad has

:08:22. > :08:28.the interests of his country, he would step down but he would also

:08:28. > :08:31.create a new phase of political life. Interesting comments. Lyse

:08:31. > :08:37.Doucet is with me now. He has not said anything like this before, has

:08:37. > :08:41.the? No, but we have not seen this action from the Arab League before.

:08:41. > :08:45.It comes after a very long time of getting promises from President

:08:45. > :08:52.Bashar al-Assad and those promises not been capped. What the king was

:08:52. > :08:57.very adamant about was it was not a question of one individual. He was

:08:57. > :09:02.very careful to say it is a system, it is not just one man. I think the

:09:02. > :09:06.worry in the region and beyond that if one leader steps down, what

:09:06. > :09:10.would come next? What instability would there be? The Arab League

:09:10. > :09:15.have said they will meet some members of the Syrian opposition

:09:15. > :09:19.later this week that is the Syrian opposition ready to take over? His

:09:19. > :09:25.comments will represent a turning point in how Arab leaders will deal

:09:25. > :09:29.with President Assad. Do you think he was aware of this? Is this a

:09:29. > :09:34.move to intensify the pressure as we are seeing? Eight was very

:09:34. > :09:40.interesting because he is a cautious King. It took him a long

:09:40. > :09:44.time to say, if I was in his place. He said it with some regret. Don't

:09:44. > :09:52.forget, these two leaders took power from their fathers at the

:09:52. > :09:56.same time, a little over a decade ago. He mentioned how President

:09:56. > :10:06.Assad had the soul of reform so he was frustrated that he had not been

:10:06. > :10:11.able to move forward. We can now speak to the director of the Middle

:10:11. > :10:15.East Centre at the London School of Economics. I'm not sure if you

:10:15. > :10:19.heard what Lyse Doucet was saying, what do you make of these latest

:10:19. > :10:25.comments from King Abdullah? If it tells you a great deal that even

:10:25. > :10:29.the Arab states have come to the conclusion that President Assad's

:10:29. > :10:34.position is extremely untenable. The Americans have made similar

:10:34. > :10:39.remarks a few days ago. One of the major officials on the Middle East

:10:39. > :10:43.said he has heard many Arab leaders saying President Assad's days are

:10:43. > :10:47.numbered. What you have now is what I call the convergence between

:10:47. > :10:51.international pressure from the international community,

:10:51. > :10:54.particularly from the United States and Western Europe, and this is a

:10:54. > :11:01.point want to make that the United States is waging a war against

:11:01. > :11:07.Syria by other means, it is an economic war, the media war and a

:11:07. > :11:11.psychological war. Now Turkey has joined. Now you have the Arab

:11:11. > :11:15.League. Remember, what the Arab League has said, this is the first

:11:15. > :11:21.step. On Wednesday, the Arab League will be meeting with the Syrian

:11:21. > :11:25.opposition. It has threatened to pull out ambassadors from Damascus,

:11:25. > :11:30.impose economic and political sanctions and even more importantly,

:11:30. > :11:35.it has threatened to basically recognise the Syrian opposition. If

:11:35. > :11:39.I was sitting in Damascus today, I would be extremely anxious. Syria's

:11:39. > :11:44.response in the last few days, first they dismiss the Arab League

:11:44. > :11:47.as worthless, they said it was an extension of the western American

:11:47. > :11:52.conspiracy. Then they called for a meeting for the heads of the Arab

:11:52. > :11:56.states and now you have Walid Al- Moualem, the Syrian Foreign

:11:56. > :12:02.Minister St this is a very dangerous step. He said I hope our

:12:03. > :12:11.Chinese and Russian friends would continue to lose the United Nations

:12:11. > :12:16.council. -- to oppose. He said the Arab League might go to the

:12:16. > :12:22.Security Council and ask for protection of Syrian civilians. It

:12:22. > :12:26.seems to made the Libyan scenario all over again. You have the Arab

:12:26. > :12:31.League taking the step by going to the United Nations Security Council.

:12:31. > :12:36.This tells you that the game is changing. The crisis in Syria is

:12:36. > :12:42.reaching a climax. The opposition and Syria does not appreciate the

:12:42. > :12:46.gravity of the crisis. It is interesting that you say the Libyan

:12:46. > :12:49.scenario all over again but I asked King Abdullah about the possibility

:12:50. > :12:54.of military intervention and he says no one is calling for that.

:12:54. > :12:58.Now I think there is some concern about whether that is desirable and

:12:58. > :13:02.whether that is possible. He said he believes that the Syrian

:13:03. > :13:08.leadership believes it is still in a comfortable place, in other words,

:13:08. > :13:13.that the end is not in sight. I say the Libyan scenario, I do not

:13:13. > :13:16.mean about NATO's military intervention in Syria. Both the

:13:16. > :13:20.United States and European Community have made it clear that

:13:20. > :13:24.there is no military option a long Libyan lines. Let me give you a

:13:24. > :13:28.scenario whereby if you have military escalation, if you have

:13:28. > :13:33.10,000 people killed and the next few weeks, you might have a very

:13:33. > :13:39.different response by Washington and Europe and also by regional and

:13:39. > :13:45.Arab states. You might have a no- fly zone, has a fare in Turkey, you

:13:45. > :13:51.might have an escalation of tensions in Syria -- you might have

:13:51. > :13:54.a safe haven in Turkey. Or the Arab League said was specifically it

:13:54. > :13:59.called on the Syrian army to disobey the orders of the Syrian

:13:59. > :14:03.government and not fire on civilians. What you might have, the

:14:03. > :14:08.question of legitimacy legitimising the opposition, you might have more

:14:08. > :14:12.and more security forces and Syrian army troops defecting to the

:14:12. > :14:16.opposition and you might have the strategic situation change among

:14:16. > :14:20.the ground in Syria as a result of Arab regional and international

:14:20. > :14:24.actions on the ground. It is very good to get your opinion and

:14:24. > :14:29.thoughts today. Thank you for joining me from the London School

:14:29. > :14:32.of Economics and Lyse Doucet, thank you and to reiterate you have

:14:32. > :14:35.interviewed the King of Jordan and he has called on the Syrian

:14:35. > :14:42.President to step down. He said if he was in his shoes he would step

:14:42. > :14:45.Let's take a look at some of the other stories making headlines

:14:45. > :14:47.around the world today. Anders Behring Breivik, the man

:14:47. > :14:50.who's confessed to killing 77 people in July, has been appearing

:14:50. > :14:53.in court in Oslo. Hundreds of journalists, as well as family and

:14:53. > :14:56.friends of those who were killed were waiting for him when he

:14:56. > :15:01.arrived at court this morning. It's Brievik's first open court

:15:01. > :15:04.appearance since he was taken into custody. He has said he wants to

:15:04. > :15:12.explain why he carried out the attacks on Norway's government

:15:12. > :15:15.offices in Oslo, and the nearby island of Utoeya.

:15:15. > :15:25.With me now via webcam from Norway is Norwegian journalist, Ketil

:15:25. > :15:25.

:15:25. > :15:30.Stensru. Just described to me the mood, not only outside the court,

:15:30. > :15:36.it is understandable the family and friends of victims are there, but

:15:36. > :15:40.what about Norway? This was a country shattered by these events?

:15:40. > :15:47.Today marked a special and strange occasion when Anders Behring

:15:47. > :15:51.Breivik was able to meet people for the first time. When the same

:15:51. > :15:54.applies for the victims' relatives when they were able to meet Anders

:15:54. > :15:59.Behring Breivik in person and get some sense of what he felt like.

:15:59. > :16:04.What is expected to be heard? He said he is going to explain why he

:16:04. > :16:09.did what he did, what answers do people want? They want to get some

:16:09. > :16:15.justification. How could he resonate himself to carrying out

:16:16. > :16:23.these attacks and at what sort of ideological grounds can he justify

:16:23. > :16:28.killing his own people? And I think it is incomprehensible what has

:16:28. > :16:34.happened, so people have a great need to see him and see what kind

:16:34. > :16:41.of frame of mind he is in. As he is brought to trial, is there any

:16:41. > :16:47.expectation of what may be the outcome of this trial. Obviously,

:16:47. > :16:52.today was another hearing were the state applied for solitary

:16:52. > :16:58.confinement. The state wanted an extension of 12 weeks. I think they

:16:58. > :17:02.got that. For him, he again pleaded not guilty to the charges. And for

:17:03. > :17:07.him, it is another chance to be in the limelight for the first time

:17:07. > :17:12.and a chance for him to spread his ideology and explain himself.

:17:12. > :17:15.will keep a close eye on events. Thanks for speaking to me today.

:17:15. > :17:17.They're the unelected leaders, the technocrats, whose job it now is to

:17:17. > :17:20.guide their countries through economic crisis. Italy's Prime

:17:20. > :17:22.Minister designate, Mario Monti, and Greece's Prime Minister, Lucas

:17:22. > :17:26.Papademos, have been put in place to implement tough austerity

:17:26. > :17:36.measures needed to balance the countries' books. It's an unusual

:17:36. > :17:36.

:17:36. > :17:42.position for both democracies to be in - as Humphrey Hawksley reports.

:17:42. > :17:46.We can speak to our correspondent in Rome. David, it is an

:17:46. > :17:51.interesting day for Mario Monti to begin this process. Is there much

:17:51. > :17:57.faith in him being successful? has the goodwill of a lot of

:17:57. > :18:03.Italians. They feel more com -- comfortable he is qualified to do

:18:03. > :18:07.with this crisis. He has to choose his cabinet very carefully among

:18:07. > :18:11.possible candidates, technocrats, in other words civil servants to

:18:11. > :18:15.have given good service to their country and could be Government

:18:15. > :18:20.ministers in the months to come. But I don't think we are going to

:18:20. > :18:25.get a cabinet line-up until tomorrow some time. At which point,

:18:25. > :18:28.he will be sworn in as Prime Minister, together with members of

:18:29. > :18:38.his Cabinet. More importantly, later in the week he will have to

:18:38. > :18:42.go before Parliament and get a confidence vote. This is I think it

:18:42. > :18:46.a foregone conclusion also. However, it is important to see that Mr

:18:46. > :18:51.Berlusconi, who has resigned during the weekend as Prime Minister, has

:18:51. > :18:56.been leading the country for 17 years on and off. He has made it

:18:56. > :19:03.clear he doesn't intend to retire from politics. He is going to

:19:03. > :19:09.monitor, he says, the performance of Mario Monti and has made a

:19:09. > :19:14.veiled threat, as he put it, to pull the plug on Mario Monti, if he

:19:14. > :19:20.considers his performance is not up to scratch. Mr Berlusconi still has

:19:20. > :19:25.a majority, a Parliamentary majority in one of the houses of

:19:25. > :19:30.Parliament. He lost his majority in the Chamber of Deputies, he could

:19:30. > :19:38.still muster a winning majority in the Senate, the Upper House.

:19:38. > :19:42.Basically, he makes no secret of the fact he wants to see the Mario

:19:42. > :19:48.Monti administration, if and when it is formed to have a very limited

:19:48. > :19:54.shelf-life. Thanks for your thoughts.

:19:54. > :20:03.Still to come: Digging up the dirt at all reinvestigate mining

:20:03. > :20:10.corruption in the poorest paradise of Goa.

:20:10. > :20:18.Now time to get the business news. Is it paradise for Italy yet? 7.48

:20:18. > :20:22.% and that it was the bonds yield? It has come down a little?

:20:23. > :20:26.focus is the market reaction. The whole reason the Italians pushed

:20:26. > :20:30.through the placement of Mario Monti, so everything would be in

:20:30. > :20:35.place when the markets open this morning, Monday morning there would

:20:35. > :20:38.be credibility. Some cautious optimism, they were higher, but if

:20:38. > :20:43.you blinked you missed it because the markets have returned to having

:20:43. > :20:47.a sour taste in their mouth. The market's love the fact there is a

:20:47. > :20:51.technocrat, a respectable, highly credible technocrat in charge of

:20:51. > :21:00.Italy but they want to see what Mario Monti is going to do about

:21:00. > :21:05.the two trillion worth of debt it elicits on. What we do about the

:21:05. > :21:09.poor business interests that has crippled Italy's growth. Let's have

:21:09. > :21:14.a listen to the boss of the German exporters Association, what he has

:21:14. > :21:19.to say about Italy and Mario Monti. We are fighting very hard for the

:21:19. > :21:26.Euro but not at any price. The problem is here in Italy and the

:21:26. > :21:31.Italians have to understand it is up to them to prevent us going into

:21:31. > :21:34.a recession and going into a worldwide depression. Italy

:21:34. > :21:41.borrowed 3 billion euros from the markets today. They got all they

:21:41. > :21:49.wanted but they have to say 6.3% interest, very expensive. Not cheap.

:21:49. > :21:53.Europe has been S -- asking China for help with limited success?

:21:53. > :21:57.this whole crisis rumbles on, the pressure has been on the bigger

:21:57. > :22:02.emerging economies. We know what the Europeans want from Beijing.

:22:02. > :22:07.The focus over the weekend was on India. The World economic Forum was

:22:07. > :22:11.taking place in Mumbai. Encouraging wells from India. I will quote the

:22:11. > :22:14.commerce minister in India, he says India will be part of the

:22:14. > :22:19.stabilisation process when it comes to what is happening in Europe.

:22:20. > :22:24.Strong words. It doesn't mean India is going to put its hand in its

:22:24. > :22:29.pocket and contribute to any form a bail-out. This isn't necessarily

:22:29. > :22:33.about the money, it is about making sure a country like India and

:22:33. > :22:36.emerging economy being looked at by the world is their bodies be parts

:22:36. > :22:40.of the world that are struggling and keeping the trade routes

:22:40. > :22:43.opening and keeping a sense of nurturing and fostering relations.

:22:43. > :22:48.Many Indian companies have relied on areas like the eurozone to grow

:22:49. > :22:53.and succeed over the past decade. So India is looking at this as, we

:22:53. > :22:58.are here to help and open for business. Open for business but no

:22:58. > :23:02.money at the moment. For more on Italy's new Prime

:23:02. > :23:12.Minister designate, head to our website. There is a profile of

:23:12. > :23:15.

:23:15. > :23:19.Mario Monti and plenty more information and analysis.

:23:19. > :23:23.The headlines: The Syrian foreign minister has spoken defiantly

:23:23. > :23:25.following international condemnation of the country's

:23:25. > :23:28.suppression of anti-government protests.

:23:28. > :23:32.The new unelected leaders of Italy and Greece begin putting together

:23:32. > :23:38.of the Government and policies they hope will put their economies back

:23:38. > :23:44.on track. Another huge corruption scandal is

:23:44. > :23:48.looming in India, this time over its mining industry. Exports of

:23:48. > :23:52.iron ore have been stopped in the state of Karnataka amid allegations

:23:52. > :23:58.corrupt officials allow widespread, illegal mining. Government inquiry

:23:58. > :24:03.is looking into more serious violations by iron ore producers in

:24:03. > :24:09.Goa. This is the view of Goa tourists

:24:09. > :24:15.never see. A landscape scarred by a new kind of gold rush. For iron ore,

:24:15. > :24:20.and almost all of it is going to China. That, says critics has led

:24:20. > :24:25.to over mining, corruption and environmental disrupt --

:24:25. > :24:30.destruction and they are calling for the industry to be closed down.

:24:30. > :24:35.More and more going to China, a superpower. It is making its strong

:24:36. > :24:40.at the cost of the destruction of Goa. The constant flow of trucks

:24:40. > :24:46.carrying iron ore from the minds leave a constant cloud of dust.

:24:46. > :24:50.There is no escape from it for this spot primary school. The uniform is

:24:51. > :24:55.paid for by the mining industry. The dust causes them breathing

:24:55. > :25:01.problems and teachers say it is something the industry disputes.

:25:01. > :25:04.Next stop on the Road to China, the iron ore is loaded on to barges.

:25:04. > :25:10.But mining companies are worried that a Government inquiry into

:25:10. > :25:16.illegal mining and corruption will smother them all. Everyone in Goa

:25:16. > :25:20.has benefited from the iron ore bonanza they say, making it one of

:25:20. > :25:26.India's richer states. There have been violations the Chief Mining

:25:26. > :25:29.spokesman admits, but don't risk everything to read them out.

:25:29. > :25:35.have free health care, free education and we have negligible

:25:35. > :25:40.poverty. You cannot fight in legality, you have to address it.

:25:40. > :25:48.The hardest part is to say, how do we address it without destroying an

:25:48. > :25:52.economy. The next stage for Goa's iron ore? The slow boat to China.

:25:52. > :25:57.Globalisation in action and some in India are reaping the benefits, but

:25:57. > :26:01.with such huge needs for steel itself, they may be short-lived.

:26:01. > :26:05.All this iron ore heading to China have made some people rich. India

:26:05. > :26:09.is obsessed with the question of whether it was taken out of the

:26:09. > :26:14.ground illegally. Very few people asking whether it should be taken

:26:14. > :26:19.out of India at all. The simple answer is that India doesn't have

:26:19. > :26:29.the technology to use this kind of iron ore. But China does, allowing

:26:29. > :26:33.it to keep sailing ahead. We are coming to the end of the

:26:33. > :26:38.programme, but let me remind you of the main story?

:26:38. > :26:42.The BBC has interviewed King Abdullah of Jordan. He said if he

:26:42. > :26:47.were in the shoes of the Syrian President, he would consider