:00:10. > :00:19.A new leader for Al-Qaeda vows to continue the war on America and its
:00:19. > :00:29.time lieutenant to Osama Bin Laden, is officially taking over the
:00:29. > :00:33.
:00:33. > :00:35.Welcome to GMT. I'm Naga Munchetty. Also in the programme:
:00:35. > :00:43.Fighting the financial crisis in Greece - the outcome could
:00:43. > :00:49.determine the future of the European single currency.
:00:49. > :00:55.TRANSLATION: It is everyone's duty to do everything needed to
:00:55. > :01:03.safeguard the stability of the euro. The weird and wonderful world of
:01:03. > :01:06.animation - a new London exhibit looks back at 150 years of the art.
:01:06. > :01:16.It's 12:30pm here in London, 2:30pm in Athens and a time of change for
:01:16. > :01:19.Al-Qaeda. Ayman Al-Zawahiri, a long time associate of Osama Bin Laden
:01:19. > :01:23.and sometimes described as "the real brains of Al-Qaeda", has taken
:01:23. > :01:25.over the reigns of the organisation. The announcement was posted on an
:01:25. > :01:28.Islamist website accompanied by a promise to continue what Al-Qaeda
:01:28. > :01:38.calls "the holy war" against the United States, Israel and their
:01:38. > :01:39.
:01:39. > :01:44.allies. Peter Biles reports. It had been widely anticipated that
:01:44. > :01:49.Ayman Al-Zawahiri would replace Osama Bin Laden as the head of boss
:01:49. > :01:53.-- of Al-Qaeda. He had long been Bin Laden's right hand man and the
:01:53. > :01:57.person thought to be the brains behind the 9/11 attacks in the
:01:57. > :02:01.United States nearly a decade ago. The only surprise about the
:02:01. > :02:09.succession is perhaps how long it has taken since the killing of Bin
:02:09. > :02:16.Laden in early May. Since 96, they were very close to each other. I
:02:16. > :02:20.believe it is a natural move and expected from Al-Qaeda. They needed
:02:20. > :02:26.time to establish Al-Zawahiri as the leader and sort out differences
:02:26. > :02:31.within the group. This is what we expected Al-Qaeda to do.
:02:31. > :02:35.Ayman Al-Zawahiri was born in 1951 to a wealthy family in Cairo. He
:02:35. > :02:40.studied medicine and in 1978, received a master's degree in
:02:40. > :02:45.surgery. A year later, he set up the Egyptian Jihad, which was
:02:45. > :02:51.subsequently involved in the assassination of Anwar Sadat. He
:02:51. > :02:56.made his way to Afghanistan in 1980, when he met Osama Bin Laden.
:02:56. > :03:00.Under new leadership, Al-Qaeda has warned it will continue its fight.
:03:00. > :03:05.The organisation has been on the defensive since the Arab uprising
:03:06. > :03:09.of recent months. But Ayman Al- Zawahiri remains as hostile to the
:03:09. > :03:15.West as his predecessor, Osama Bin Laden.
:03:15. > :03:17.Let's get some more on this new Al- Qaeda leader. We're joined by our
:03:17. > :03:22.security correspondent, Frank Gardner.
:03:22. > :03:27.What makes him different, what does he bring to Al-Qaeda? In many ways,
:03:27. > :03:31.no big change. He has been more or less operationally in charge of Al-
:03:31. > :03:35.Qaeda for the last eight years. We have seen him in the videos most of
:03:35. > :03:40.the time, his most recent one was only a week ago, in which he was
:03:40. > :03:44.setting himself up as the leader. Bin Laden has really been in hiding,
:03:44. > :03:49.far less in evidence. His background is that of Egyptian
:03:49. > :03:55.Islamic Jihad. He has got very good connections with Egyptian Islamists,
:03:55. > :04:01.many of whom have been released since the Arab uprising. It is the
:04:01. > :04:05.challenge is that a lot of people will focus on, that he faces. It is
:04:05. > :04:12.a very disparate organisation under a lot of pressure. They have lost
:04:12. > :04:17.Osama Bin Laden, Kashmiri, Abdul Muhammad, three major leaders from
:04:17. > :04:21.the Al-Qaeda et diaspora in the last few weeks. It may be that this
:04:21. > :04:26.man may not even last this long, because the intelligence is now
:04:26. > :04:30.getting so good at tracking people down. There will be enormous
:04:30. > :04:34.pressure on the Pentagon and CIA to find him. At the same time, Al-
:04:34. > :04:39.Qaeda is under pressure to demonstrate its power. One of the
:04:39. > :04:43.problems this man faces is trying to exert some kind of authority
:04:43. > :04:47.over the various branches. You have them in Yemen, doing their own
:04:48. > :04:51.thing. You have them in North Africa, involved in kidnapping and
:04:51. > :04:55.hostage demands was that you have Al-Qaeda and affiliates in other
:04:55. > :04:58.parts. What will be the relationship in Afghanistan? If
:04:58. > :05:02.there is going to be a peace deal between the Afghan government and
:05:02. > :05:12.Taliban, will that involve getting rid of Al-Qaeda and not allowing
:05:12. > :05:18.them to come aboard? He has a lot Top as a character, Osama Bin Laden
:05:18. > :05:22.had carried to, does he bring this? I don't think you could accuse of -
:05:22. > :05:26.- Al-Zawahiri of having a lot of character, he is very dry and
:05:26. > :05:34.dictatorial. I have not met him, this is what people have said. He
:05:34. > :05:39.is not somebody who has that X Factor, that magic touch... I know
:05:39. > :05:45.he is anathema to most people but those who admired Osama Bin Laden
:05:45. > :05:49.said he had, weirdly, a personal gentleness. He invited the media to
:05:49. > :05:55.interview him 15 years ago, lots of people did. BBC were invited but we
:05:55. > :05:59.left it a bit late. Lots of other networks interviewed him with
:05:59. > :06:03.impunity. His message, although it was of great violence and hostility
:06:03. > :06:09.and confrontation and destruction, nevertheless, on a personal basis,
:06:09. > :06:16.people found him quite engage in -- engaging. They have not said that
:06:16. > :06:20.about Al-Zawahiri. He spent time in London, a man Al-Zawahiri. He was
:06:20. > :06:30.involved in the SAT assassination - - Ayman Al-Zawahiri. His mind set
:06:30. > :06:33.
:06:33. > :06:39.He has all the fire and zealotry of a young revolutionary and
:06:39. > :06:43.reactionary, but he is not that popular, with some of the Gulf
:06:43. > :06:49.operatives, who may find it tricky paying allegiance to an Egyptian,
:06:49. > :06:52.where they found it eg to -- easy to pay allegiance to a Saudi, in
:06:52. > :06:56.Bin Laden. While one militant leader is
:06:56. > :06:59.promoted, another has been jailed. The Indonesian radical Muslim
:06:59. > :07:03.cleric, Abu Bakar Bashir, has been given a 15-year sentence for
:07:03. > :07:06.helping to organise an Islamic militant group. A court in the
:07:06. > :07:08.capital, Jakarta, found him guilty of providing thousands of dollars
:07:08. > :07:13.to a militant training camp, uncovered last year in Aceh
:07:13. > :07:21.province. Our correspondent, Karishma Vaswani, reports from
:07:21. > :07:26.Jakarta. The verdict in the Abu Bakar Bashir
:07:26. > :07:30.trial has been delivered. Police came out in full force today, as
:07:30. > :07:35.you can see. They are getting ready to leave the court house, where the
:07:35. > :07:39.verdict was delivered. In the lead- up to the announcement, there were
:07:39. > :07:43.a number of concerns about security in Jakarta. There were text
:07:43. > :07:47.messages and Twitter messages circulating, saying there would be
:07:47. > :07:52.violent repercussions if Abu Bakar Bashir received a harsh or severe
:07:52. > :07:57.sentence. He got 15 years in jail, prosecutors had demanded a life
:07:57. > :08:02.sentence. His lawyers have said they will contest this verdict how
:08:02. > :08:06.much are an effect this decision will have on Indonesia's ability to
:08:06. > :08:10.fight terror is still debatable. People we have spoken to have said
:08:10. > :08:14.Mr Bashir will continue to be active, even if he is behind bars.
:08:14. > :08:17.He is believed to be the spiritual influence behind radical Islamic
:08:17. > :08:24.groups in the country, and it is likely he will continue to preach
:08:24. > :08:29.his message, turning Indonesia into an Islamic state even while he is
:08:29. > :08:31.in prison. Let's take a look at some of the
:08:31. > :08:33.other stories making headlines around the world today.
:08:33. > :08:37.The Greek prime minister, George Papandreou, is preparing to
:08:37. > :08:39.announce a new cabinet and seek a vote of confidence to allow him to
:08:39. > :08:42.continue in office. Mr Papandreou needs support for his austerity
:08:42. > :08:45.programme to stop the country defaulting on its debts, but he's
:08:45. > :08:48.facing a revolt among some of his own PASOK party, and police had
:08:48. > :08:55.running battles with protesters in Athens. From there, Malcolm Brabant
:08:55. > :09:00.reports. There's little doubt that people
:09:00. > :09:03.power contributed to the sudden collapse of George Papandreou's
:09:03. > :09:08.administration. It wasn't the rioters who were involved in some
:09:08. > :09:11.of the worst violence seen in Greece in over a year, but the
:09:11. > :09:15.indignant movement, which represented such a cross section of
:09:15. > :09:19.the country's society. Its daily peaceful protests touched the
:09:19. > :09:23.consciousness of socialists Members of Parliament, who could not
:09:23. > :09:28.stomach the members -- the prospect of passing you swingeing austerity
:09:28. > :09:33.measures. A few of them gathered outside Parliament, as Mr
:09:33. > :09:37.Papandreou prepared to select a new cabinet. TRANSLATION: The issue
:09:37. > :09:42.isn't if one or another ends up minister, the issue is that we
:09:42. > :09:46.finally see a substantial way to deal with these problems.
:09:46. > :09:50.TRANSLATION: I would like elections, there is no other solution. Pantry
:09:50. > :09:56.you cannot do what he wants, he does not have the right to do as he
:09:56. > :10:00.wishes -- Papandreou cannot do what he wants. It has alarmed partners
:10:00. > :10:05.in the eurozone and President Sarkozy was one of the first
:10:05. > :10:10.leaders to call for stability. TRANSLATION: What we need most
:10:10. > :10:16.today is unity. We need to move on from these national quarrels and
:10:16. > :10:20.get back to the sense of our common destiny. I call on everyone to show
:10:20. > :10:24.the spirit of responsibility, and sense of compromise on which Europe
:10:24. > :10:29.has been built. The international financial markets
:10:29. > :10:33.were contemplating a second bobbly day in succession, with some
:10:33. > :10:37.analysts warning of the danger of the Greek disease infecting other
:10:37. > :10:43.imperilled European economies. One of Greece's most respected
:10:43. > :10:49.broadsheet newspapers, lambasted as a political farce Mr Papandreou's
:10:49. > :10:59.failed attempt to form a government of unity. A leading comp --
:10:59. > :11:04.
:11:04. > :11:08.To add to Mr Papandreou's embarrassment, a leading
:11:08. > :11:12.backbencher has resigned from the party. This will not affect his
:11:12. > :11:17.majority in parliament because the Socialists will hang on to the seat,
:11:17. > :11:22.but it indicates that Mr Papac Deri will have a difficult task trying
:11:22. > :11:25.to win a vote of confidence on Sunday -- Mr Papandreou will have a
:11:25. > :11:27.difficult task. Joining us via webcam from the
:11:27. > :11:32.Greek capital is Constantine Michalos, the Chairman of the
:11:32. > :11:37.Athens Chamber of Commerce. Thank you for joining me. We were
:11:37. > :11:42.hearing from our reporter the Prime Minister's position is tenuous, to
:11:42. > :11:48.say the least. A vote of confidence on Sunday isn't guaranteed. What do
:11:48. > :11:53.you think? Absolutely. To add to the report but we have just heard,
:11:53. > :11:59.there has been another three resignations in the last hour and a
:11:59. > :12:03.half from the governing party MPs. They have called for the
:12:03. > :12:09.parliamentary group of the governing party to meet later today,
:12:09. > :12:14.4:00pm Greek time. I think, at the end of the day, there will be a
:12:14. > :12:20.ballot, which will be set, so a new leader will be elected. It is
:12:20. > :12:24.extremely difficult, that there will be a vote of confidence with
:12:24. > :12:29.the present Prime Minister on Sunday. I have to agree with your
:12:29. > :12:31.reporter, it was criminal management, what happened yesterday.
:12:31. > :12:37.Because this comes at a very difficult time for the Greek
:12:37. > :12:41.economy, the Great Society. What is required is responsibility and
:12:41. > :12:46.seriousness. Unfortunately, for the last two-and-a-half months, we have
:12:46. > :12:50.been missing both. While this turmoil continues, do you envisage
:12:50. > :12:55.any agreement between the political parties, even if a new leadership
:12:55. > :13:00.is established? We have always advocated that consensus is the key
:13:00. > :13:10.word, in order to combat this situation that the Greek economy
:13:10. > :13:18.finds itself in. Yesterday, we saw an extremely erroneous management
:13:18. > :13:24.by the Prime Minister, and I think that what must happen in the next
:13:24. > :13:29.few days is that the serious political persons from both of the
:13:29. > :13:34.two large parties increased must find a way to move towards
:13:34. > :13:39.consensus, to have a coalition government, so that early next week,
:13:39. > :13:44.there will be a representation in Brussels, so that they can
:13:44. > :13:51.rearrange, or reallocate the austerity programme that has been
:13:51. > :13:55.dictated by the IMF and the European partners. We are seeing
:13:56. > :14:01.pictures of protests on Wednesday, do you think the protesters will be
:14:01. > :14:06.appeased by some political stability? I think everyone wants
:14:06. > :14:09.political stability. The people that are out on the streets, the
:14:09. > :14:16.so-called indignant movement, that has been demonstrating for the last
:14:17. > :14:22.20 days. Also, the market forces in Greece. As I said, for the last
:14:22. > :14:27.two-and-a-half months, we haven't seen any reforms. There hasn't been
:14:27. > :14:33.any sort of governmental effort, in order to solve the problems. The
:14:33. > :14:37.only thing we are hearing of his measures, measures, measures, as
:14:37. > :14:43.far as taxation is concerned. If you don't enhance growth measures
:14:43. > :14:48.into your economy, it is impossible to expect any economy, however
:14:48. > :14:52.strong it may be, to produce the necessary results. We need to have
:14:52. > :14:56.a different mixture of economic policy. It is something the Leader
:14:56. > :15:02.of the Opposition has indicated, both to the Prime Minister and the
:15:02. > :15:07.Greek people. I think we have defined a solution, combining the
:15:07. > :15:12.necessary reforms that are dictated by are EU partners, but at the same
:15:13. > :15:16.time, enhancing the necessary growth measures, so we will exit
:15:16. > :15:26.this tunnel of crisis that we are living through during the last two
:15:26. > :15:26.
:15:26. > :15:30.In other news, hackers have attacked Malaysian government
:15:30. > :15:35.websites, disrupting more than 40 sites. The attacks follow
:15:35. > :15:38.allegations that Malaysia is trying to curb internet freedom. The anti-
:15:38. > :15:43.censorship group anonymise had threatened to attack the Website
:15:43. > :15:46.after the Internet watchdog blocked 10 last week in an attempt to
:15:46. > :15:49.combat piracy. Fights between Australia and New
:15:49. > :15:54.Zealand have again been grounded because of volcanic ash from chilly.
:15:54. > :15:58.Tens of thousands of passengers have been delayed since the Puyehue
:15:58. > :16:04.began erupting almost two weeks ago. Qantas says that some flights to
:16:04. > :16:09.New Zealand could resume on Friday. Still to come on GMT: Diplomatic
:16:09. > :16:14.manoeuvres. Is there a peaceful outcome for Libya where Colonel
:16:14. > :16:19.Gaddafi stays but power changes hands?
:16:19. > :16:23.First, time for the business news. We have been talking about Greece.
:16:23. > :16:27.You are definitely talking about Greece. His defaults are
:16:27. > :16:33.inevitable? Many will say so. It's gone from messy to dangerously
:16:33. > :16:38.disastrous. You have eurozone leaders, to this hour, still unable
:16:38. > :16:42.to agree on how to rescue Greece. In Greece itself, you are talking
:16:42. > :16:48.with a country with a junk status credit rating, the worst in the
:16:48. > :16:52.world. It is paying interest on its debt at 18.5%. That is crippling.
:16:53. > :16:56.The banking stocks are down to a 15 year low, that has sent markets
:16:56. > :17:02.down. Investors are thinking of just one thing, that Greece will
:17:02. > :17:07.default. The problem is that it's no longer a Greek problem, it's no
:17:07. > :17:11.longer a European problem. It's a global problem. Listen to this.
:17:11. > :17:15.Greek debt is the new subprime. If Greece goes down, there's a good
:17:15. > :17:20.chance that other European countries hit the rocks, Portugal
:17:20. > :17:25.and peripheral countries. You have a huge amount of effectively dodgy
:17:25. > :17:30.government debt. The market wrongly used to think that was safe, just
:17:30. > :17:34.as was the case with subprime debt from America. If one country starts
:17:34. > :17:37.to default, the entire financial system will be hit badly. That is a
:17:37. > :17:41.scary warning. The worry is contagion and the impact on banks
:17:41. > :17:46.around Europe, bags around the world and the impact on us as
:17:47. > :17:51.consumers. We are going to have a busy few days. The debate has
:17:51. > :17:57.always been if you are iPhone or BlackBerry. The name we don't
:17:57. > :18:02.always throw around his awry m, the company behind BlackBerry? Before
:18:02. > :18:06.the iPhone, before Google Android, there was BlackBerry. It is still
:18:06. > :18:09.probably be go to devise for businesses. But the share price
:18:09. > :18:14.does not reflect that. It's fallen 40% since the beginning of this
:18:15. > :18:17.year. Why? They launched a new tablet device and it got mixed
:18:17. > :18:21.reviews. It's the devices they haven't launched yet that is
:18:21. > :18:26.causing the problems. They promised a family of smart phones, but they
:18:26. > :18:32.keep getting delayed. That's not good when you're trying to complete
:18:32. > :18:35.-- compete against Apple and Android. There is one good news
:18:35. > :18:43.story out of this. The good news is the developing markets, they have
:18:43. > :18:47.been doing very well there. The other interesting thing, I've been
:18:47. > :18:56.in the Middle East, and the youth set-up BlackBerry Messenger to set
:18:56. > :19:04.up dates. 80 Kloss -- 8 o'clock dinner, tonight... Our way back on
:19:04. > :19:08.air? A quick flash of the markets. BRITs is the worry. Have if you
:19:08. > :19:15.would like to get in touch with us, tell us your thoughts on anything
:19:15. > :19:25.you have heard or seen, had to our You can watch the highlights from
:19:25. > :19:30.
:19:30. > :19:35.You are watching GMT. The headlines this hour: The war goes on. Defiant
:19:35. > :19:40.rhetoric from Al-Qaeda as Ayman Al- Zawahiri takes over following the
:19:40. > :19:43.killing of Osama Bin Laden. Protests against austerity measures
:19:43. > :19:52.continue in Greece as the Prime Minister prepares to reshuffle his
:19:52. > :19:54.cabinet to deal with the debt A Russian envoy says he can
:19:54. > :19:58.envisage a future for Libya where Colonel Gaddafi remains in the
:19:58. > :20:05.country but power moves to the opposition. The Russian President's
:20:05. > :20:09.Special Representative for Africa made the comment in an exclusive
:20:09. > :20:14.interview with the BBC Middle East editor in Tripoli. This is ahead of
:20:14. > :20:19.his meeting with senior members of the Libyan government. If there is
:20:19. > :20:23.a kind of national reconciliation in Libya, if Gaddafi is involved in
:20:24. > :20:28.that process, all options are open for the time being. You're saying
:20:28. > :20:32.he could stay in the country, but you want him to leave power?
:20:32. > :20:37.only Russia, I think. I think all of the international community
:20:37. > :20:43.understands pretty well that Colonel Gaddafi lost his
:20:43. > :20:48.credibility after he started bombing civilians. We understand
:20:48. > :20:55.very clearly that, if he is a responsible person, and we hope he
:20:55. > :20:58.is a responsible person, he should undertake urgent measures to start
:20:58. > :21:04.the process of national reconciliation. People in the
:21:04. > :21:08.regime, including his son, have talked about elections and reforms,
:21:08. > :21:11.but with Colonel Gaddafi staying in the country. Major says he must go
:21:11. > :21:20.and then other things must be talked about. What does Russia
:21:20. > :21:26.want? -- NATO. I've been to Benghazi. I met with the National
:21:26. > :21:31.Council, up almost all of the leaders. In Cairo, I met with
:21:32. > :21:35.Gaddafi's cousin, who also represents part of the Libyan elite.
:21:35. > :21:41.I think the general consensus in the Libyan elite is that Gaddafi
:21:41. > :21:44.should go. With all my respect to the position of NATO, with all my
:21:44. > :21:49.respect to the position of the world leaders that represent the
:21:49. > :21:54.great -- G8 and talked about Libya a lot, the key factor is what
:21:54. > :21:59.Libyans think about the future of Libya. My feeling is that they
:21:59. > :22:01.think about it without Gaddafi as a political leader.
:22:01. > :22:06.Time for something completely different. Fans of cartoons from
:22:06. > :22:11.Astro Boy to Betty Boop are in for a treat if they are in London over
:22:11. > :22:14.the next few months. The Barbican Art Gallery has trawled the
:22:14. > :22:18.archives of 150 years of animation for a new exhibition it is
:22:18. > :22:23.launching this week. Called Watch Me Move, it features animated
:22:23. > :22:29.classics including Mickey Mouse, Tom and Jerry and the Flintstones.
:22:29. > :22:34.As well as more experimental and sometimes unusual works by
:22:34. > :22:44.independent artists. We can take a look at one of them now. It is
:22:44. > :23:01.
:23:01. > :23:05.Joining me now is the Watch Me Move creator, Greg Hilty. We are already
:23:05. > :23:09.talking because it is so exciting, so different. What was the
:23:09. > :23:12.inspiration? The Barbican has done a lot of exhibitions about broad
:23:12. > :23:17.visual culture, but we thought animation really needed to be seen.
:23:17. > :23:24.It so pervasive, it's everywhere. It is on websites, Baba phones,
:23:24. > :23:29.it's an incredibly expressive and artistic tool. How easy is it to
:23:29. > :23:35.collect the correct footage? easy at all. We have been working
:23:35. > :23:39.for three years on this project, it's got about 180 works. We have
:23:39. > :23:45.had specialists choosing and I have had my own team of experts in terms
:23:45. > :23:55.of my family. It really is for everybody. There is work from
:23:55. > :23:55.
:23:55. > :24:02.Japanese animation, drawer, I have to credit my daughter with bringing
:24:02. > :24:09.in Tron. Mainly it is an exhibition of films, but we got some fantastic
:24:09. > :24:13.objects. There are toys, models from 1929 feature film animations.
:24:13. > :24:21.I know it is not all light-hearted. There's another clip that I want
:24:21. > :24:28.our viewers to see, called A Is For Autism. Sometimes, my shell-likes
:24:28. > :24:32.distort the teacher's instructions, or my eyes Blur to stop me seeing
:24:32. > :24:35.the blackboard. Sometimes I won't hear a few words at the start, and
:24:35. > :24:40.the next lot of and words merge into each other. I couldn't make
:24:40. > :24:44.head or tail of it. So, not all fun and games. Then our messages that
:24:44. > :24:48.animation can get across. How important is animation's role in
:24:48. > :24:54.that? I think it's crucial. One thing you see in that clip is that
:24:54. > :24:59.animation, as a medium, provides a series of tools. It's not like
:24:59. > :25:03.there is a clear progression from simple animation to CGI. Artists,
:25:03. > :25:06.animators can delve into the repertoire and bring out what they
:25:06. > :25:11.want for their own expressive purposes. It's interesting the way
:25:11. > :25:15.that animation has come a long over the years. It's been 150 years, we
:25:15. > :25:20.have quite an old clip available for our viewers to save lots of
:25:20. > :25:24.talk to me about this. This is buying Windsor McKay, one of the
:25:24. > :25:28.early pioneers of animation. It's where the title comes from, you saw
:25:28. > :25:33.it at the beginning, Watch Me Move. The early stage of the exhibition
:25:33. > :25:37.is one of the most spectacular, is one of the reasons why it should be
:25:37. > :25:45.in a gallery rather than just on film or television. We have works
:25:45. > :25:49.presented by Edward, it used to be a scientific and entertainment tool.
:25:49. > :25:54.He took pictures of things that could not be visualised before. He
:25:54. > :25:56.also presented them in a kind of projection show, travelling around
:25:56. > :26:00.the country. Animation has always had a sense of engaging with the
:26:00. > :26:04.real world, but also being entertaining and compelling. Even
:26:04. > :26:08.as we watched this, I know it is old compared to what we see now, it
:26:08. > :26:12.does seem timeless. It doesn't seem that animation has to be flashy and
:26:12. > :26:16.impressive all the time to grasp our attention? One of the reasons,
:26:16. > :26:20.it's sometimes seen as a childish thing. People dismiss it, they have
:26:20. > :26:24.been a bit dismissive in terms of high art or high visual culture. I
:26:24. > :26:28.think that's a mistake. I think if people come to the show they will
:26:28. > :26:32.see it is a mistake. Supposedly childish things still have a
:26:32. > :26:39.profound meaning. I'll put you on the spot, give me your favourite
:26:39. > :26:43.one that we should watch? esoteric, I would go for the Tale
:26:43. > :26:47.of Tales, a beautiful, dents, Russian film, made in the 1970s. It