:00:09. > :00:14.The influential half-brother of the Afghan President Hamid Karzai is
:00:14. > :00:18.killed in his hometown in Kandahar. Walid Ahmed Karzai, a political
:00:18. > :00:28.ally to the president was shot dead by his own a long-serving head of
:00:28. > :00:39.
:00:39. > :00:42.Welcome to GMT. I'm Naga Munchetty. Also in the programme: The British
:00:42. > :00:44.newspaper hacking scandal deepens. Former prime minister Gordon Brown
:00:44. > :00:54.says he's shocked at how information about his sick son was
:00:54. > :00:55.
:00:55. > :01:01.retrieved. I was in tears. Your son is now going to be broadcast across
:01:01. > :01:06.the media. Sarah and I were incredibly upset about it, thinking
:01:06. > :01:10.about his long-term future, we were thinking about our family. Human
:01:10. > :01:13.Rights Watch calls for a criminal investigation into former US
:01:13. > :01:20.President George W Bush over what it calls overwhelming evidence of
:01:20. > :01:25.torture. Hello, it's 1230 in London, 7:30am
:01:25. > :01:31.in Washington and early afternoon in Kabul of. That is where the
:01:32. > :01:37.shock over the killing of Hamid Karzai's brother. He was shot by
:01:37. > :01:46.his own head of security. He was head of the provincial council in
:01:46. > :01:48.Kandahar. He also stood accused of dealing with the Taliban and the
:01:48. > :01:51.drugs trade. The Taliban has claimed responsibility for the
:01:51. > :01:54.attack. Just a few months ago our correspondent Lyse Doucet
:01:54. > :01:58.interviewed him. She joins me now in the studio. This is certainly an
:01:58. > :02:01.assassination that is going to concentrate minds all the way for
:02:01. > :02:07.every single district of Kandahar right to the White House in
:02:07. > :02:10.Washington. Walid Ahmed Karzai was known as the king of the Kandahar,
:02:10. > :02:14.the most powerful man in the province and when I went to his
:02:14. > :02:18.compound recently, it was underlined by the layer of a layer
:02:18. > :02:24.of security you went through in order to get into his fortress. It
:02:24. > :02:28.was packed with people who brought every possible problem to the man
:02:28. > :02:32.Who Would Fix It. You knew this was a man of power and new, because of
:02:32. > :02:38.the tight security, he had many enemies but no one would expect it
:02:38. > :02:41.would be one of his own bodyguards who would turn the gun on him. Yet
:02:41. > :02:51.he was also a controversial man and we discussed that when we sat down
:02:51. > :02:51.
:02:51. > :02:57.for lunch. He invited me to lunch You must have threats against you?
:02:57. > :03:04.It's the most Secure place in Kandahar, I think. This is for big
:03:04. > :03:11.attacks, suicide attacks. There were two major suicide attacks on
:03:11. > :03:18.me, my office. Are there still threats against you now? Every day.
:03:18. > :03:21.Drug traffickers? Criminals? He has also been the target of many
:03:21. > :03:29.accusations, and some call him a problem in Kandahar, not the
:03:29. > :03:33.solution. I am weary of the media. Because you come under so many
:03:33. > :03:38.accusations that you have to respond to so much? When I was down
:03:38. > :03:48.here last time with the President and a documentary maker, there was
:03:48. > :03:53.talk about putting pressure on you. Yes, it's over. Why, because you
:03:53. > :04:00.proved? I have done nothing different. The what do you think it
:04:00. > :04:05.was? Mostly unproven allegations were making things bad. They
:04:05. > :04:11.alleged you were involved in the drugs trade, the main power broker,
:04:11. > :04:18.and you support the Taliban? Yes. Sometimes there's no smoke without
:04:18. > :04:22.fire. That's in the past. Walid Ahmed Karzai was used to
:04:22. > :04:27.journalists asking him about his allegations. He was also used to
:04:27. > :04:31.powerful figures, military and political, foreign armies working
:04:31. > :04:35.in Afghanistan, asking him the same kinds of charges. Whether he was
:04:35. > :04:40.drug dealing, dealing in corruption, he always said the most powerful
:04:40. > :04:43.intelligence agencies in the world haven't found any evidence.
:04:43. > :04:48.it's interesting seeing you sit down to lunch with this man, but
:04:48. > :04:54.his position was key, wasn't it? The he was the linchpin in every
:04:54. > :04:59.single network in Kandahar. When I said to him people say he's the
:04:59. > :05:04.most influential man, he didn't deny it but he put it down to
:05:04. > :05:08.tribal allegiances. He said he was in that lineage. Even though his
:05:08. > :05:13.role was not that influential on paper, he was the man who could fix
:05:13. > :05:17.everything and that's why his compound was crowded. Every
:05:17. > :05:22.governor had to take a second seed to him. There were rumours they
:05:22. > :05:28.would recognise that reality and making the Governor. What does this
:05:28. > :05:31.do now for the President? The political loss must shatter him?
:05:31. > :05:36.huge political loss for the President. After he became the
:05:36. > :05:40.leader, Walid Ahmed Karzai came back from the USA, installed
:05:40. > :05:44.himself in Kandahar, consolidated the power of the family, the tribe,
:05:44. > :05:52.and politically help to win every election the south for President
:05:52. > :05:56.Karzai. President Karzai has lost the man who was doing that for him.
:05:56. > :05:59.There is a vacuum which certainly needs to be filled. I know you'll
:05:59. > :06:04.be looking at this over the next few days.
:06:04. > :06:12.Let's take a look at some of the other stories making headlines
:06:12. > :06:14.around the world today. Gordon Brown says link between the
:06:14. > :06:19.criminal underworld and News International needs to be
:06:19. > :06:23.investigated. The Sunday Times newspaper reportedly paid people to
:06:23. > :06:27.be legally obtain information, confidential data, about him.
:06:27. > :06:32.Speaking exclusively to Glen Campbell, he accused the Sunday
:06:32. > :06:37.Times and News International of working with known criminals.
:06:37. > :06:43.have never talked publicly about Fraser's condition and obviously,
:06:43. > :06:48.we wanted that to be kept private. For all the obvious reasons you
:06:48. > :06:54.wanted the best buy your children. And I have never complained about
:06:54. > :06:59.what happened to me before. The truth is, information did come out.
:06:59. > :07:05.I was approached by some newspapers. They told me they had the story
:07:05. > :07:13.about Fraser's medical condition. And that they were going to run
:07:13. > :07:20.this story. How did that affect you as a father? I was in tears. Your
:07:20. > :07:25.son is now going to be broadcast across the media. Sarah and I were
:07:25. > :07:28.incredibly upset about it. We were thinking about his long-term future,
:07:28. > :07:32.thinking about our family, but there is nothing you can do about
:07:32. > :07:36.it, you're in public life and this story appears. I have not
:07:36. > :07:42.questioned how it appeared and made any allegations about how it
:07:42. > :07:52.appeared, but the fact is it did appear. It did appear in the sun
:07:52. > :07:52.
:07:52. > :07:59.and I think... Rebecca Brooks found, and I right? We were told by
:08:00. > :08:03.Rebekah Brooks, the problem I have is that if this is a policy of
:08:03. > :08:09.newspapers in this country that they are going to write about the
:08:09. > :08:13.medical conditions of young children, you have got to ask
:08:13. > :08:23.yourselves, where are they getting this information from? News
:08:23. > :08:29.
:08:29. > :08:32.International has responded to that News International also says that
:08:32. > :08:39.the Sun newspaper is satisfied about the methods in which it
:08:39. > :08:43.obtained a storyboard Gordon Brown's San's medical records. To
:08:43. > :08:47.me to Medvedev says a deadly but motor accident has revealed
:08:47. > :08:51.Transport breaches cannot be tolerated. He said violators must
:08:51. > :08:56.be harshly punished as Russia observes a day of mourning for the
:08:56. > :08:59.victims of Sunday's pleasure boat disaster on the River Volga. Divers
:08:59. > :09:09.are still recovering bodies from the sunken boat, most of them
:09:09. > :09:13.children. It is feared more than 120 people drowned. Julian Assange,
:09:13. > :09:15.the founder of WikiLeaks, is back in court in London today as he
:09:15. > :09:18.tries to fight extradition to Sweden. He was arrested in December
:09:18. > :09:23.after two Swedish women accused him of sexual assault. He denies the
:09:23. > :09:28.charges. The Syrian government has accused Hillary Clinton of
:09:28. > :09:32.incitement after she said the President had lost legitimacy. She
:09:32. > :09:36.says he failed to deliver promised reforms and launched a campaign
:09:36. > :09:44.against his own people. Hillary Clinton said President Assad was
:09:44. > :09:47.not indispensable that do not call on him to step down. Riot police
:09:47. > :09:49.have used water canon and tear gas on thousands of Chilean miners and
:09:49. > :09:54.their supporters marching in Santiago. The miners from the
:09:54. > :09:57.state-owned company are on strike for the first time in 20 years.
:09:57. > :10:00.They are angry about plans to cut jobs and workers' benefits. Clashes
:10:00. > :10:05.broke out when the march reached the central square in the Chilean
:10:05. > :10:10.capital. In just under two weeks, people in
:10:10. > :10:13.parts of northern Sri Lanka will vote in local elections. The Poles
:10:13. > :10:18.will come and to international scrutiny with a government keen to
:10:18. > :10:22.show it can do well in the mainly Tamil north. Charles Cavell and is
:10:22. > :10:28.the first journalist to cross into the former war zone since tight
:10:29. > :10:33.military restrictions were relaxed last week. He spent the last few
:10:33. > :10:40.days travelling there and joins me now. To Charles, the Government
:10:40. > :10:44.says the North is completely open now. Is it? It is not completely
:10:44. > :10:50.open. We did need special permission and papers to come
:10:50. > :10:55.through the checkpoints, the gate into the North at the other day.
:10:55. > :10:59.Then we were waved through with smiles. So, you do need special
:10:59. > :11:02.permission to come here, but that is now not given by the defence
:11:03. > :11:06.ministry but by the Information Department, which is a bit of a
:11:06. > :11:11.change. There are areas of the North which have yet to be
:11:11. > :11:15.resettled by the people who fled from the advancing war front. And
:11:15. > :11:19.areas it appears will not be resettled in the foreseeable future.
:11:19. > :11:23.It's not clear why but, having said all that, we have been moving
:11:23. > :11:28.around clearly for the last few days. Nothing on our tail
:11:28. > :11:32.whatsoever. If we had been able to go way off the beaten track to meet
:11:32. > :11:37.returning refugees, and that is something very new for someone like
:11:37. > :11:42.me, after two years. Northern Sri Lanka has been highly restricted. A
:11:42. > :11:49.big change. There has also been quite a lot of international
:11:49. > :11:52.pressure on the Government. In the UK we saw a legend footage of
:11:52. > :11:57.victims of the killing fields of the stock has there been progress
:11:57. > :12:03.in that matter? It's really difficult to talk openly about that
:12:03. > :12:08.topic. People in this part of the country, the north, which was the
:12:08. > :12:12.war-zone, are not willing to talk about that matter openly. If you do,
:12:12. > :12:16.you might find yourself in quite deep water. The Government has
:12:16. > :12:21.continued its counter-offensive against that film shown on Channel
:12:21. > :12:25.4 and come up with some videotape in which some soldiers from the
:12:25. > :12:31.Channel 4 video are shown speaking in the Tamil language and the
:12:32. > :12:37.Government says it shows these were Tamil Tigers wearing army uniforms.
:12:37. > :12:42.Of course, many people might disagree with that. As you say, you
:12:42. > :12:45.could open about this openly. We heard the other day in a part of
:12:45. > :12:49.northern Sri Lanka we passed through, there was a demonstration
:12:49. > :12:53.against Channel 4 organised by the Government, putting some pressure
:12:53. > :12:58.on local people to come into the street and demonstrate against
:12:58. > :13:02.Channel 4 against that film the Killing Fields. Charles, I know you
:13:02. > :13:07.will be following the election campaign as well. Good to speak to
:13:07. > :13:10.you. Still to come, human rights activities are seeking a criminal
:13:10. > :13:18.investigation into the former US President George Bush over alleged
:13:18. > :13:23.torture. Also the man behind the football World Cup bit -- Bird told
:13:23. > :13:29.the BBC Corruption claims are based on prejudice. -- World Cup bid.
:13:29. > :13:34.It's time for the business news now. Italy is now the new focus on the
:13:34. > :13:40.bows in Europe. Investors are dumping stock around the world,
:13:40. > :13:44.riskier assets. European banking stocks continued to be hit today.
:13:44. > :13:48.When investors start to hear words from officials like that there is a
:13:48. > :13:54.big possibility we will allow a selective defaults for Greece,
:13:54. > :13:59.investors say, what happened to this save a reassurance that all
:13:59. > :14:06.countries using the euro would be a safe bet, well, they are no longer
:14:06. > :14:11.a safe bet. If Europe allows people to default, people will say, I'm
:14:11. > :14:16.not going to put money into Italy and Spain. One questioner had been
:14:16. > :14:23.asking experts today is why, all of a sudden, there is focus on Italy?
:14:23. > :14:31.The answer is there is huge debt. 120% of debt to GDP, a huge amount
:14:32. > :14:37.of debt, and the level is nominal, 1.8 trillion, actually higher than
:14:37. > :14:42.the debt of Greece, Portugal, Ireland and Spain put together.
:14:42. > :14:48.Bearing in mind, they have to pay over 500 billion euros over the
:14:48. > :14:51.next three years, it is putting Italy in a situation of a high risk.
:14:51. > :14:56.High a risk in deed and that is what investors are focusing at the
:14:56. > :15:05.moment. High a risk is an understatement, I think. We can't
:15:05. > :15:10.get away, hacking story is spreading in the UK. News Corp
:15:10. > :15:15.shares are suffering. Absolutely. The latest allegations, the former
:15:15. > :15:19.prime minister Gordon Brown, the more and more we see investors are
:15:19. > :15:26.dumping News Corp, it traded in New York and Sydney, and New York fell
:15:26. > :15:30.by 7.5%. It is a wide of $7 billion from its market value. Investor
:15:30. > :15:36.concern is not just about the BSkyB deal, but has moved state side.
:15:36. > :15:43.Listen to this one. If the criminal investigation links it to more of a
:15:43. > :15:46.management structure, it gives the USA regulatory side of things a
:15:46. > :15:51.mandated to go in and have a wider, more broader investigation of the
:15:51. > :16:00.group as a whole, so that is where the uncertainty is. It may not end
:16:00. > :16:06.In the US, the Fox television network and the Wall Street Journal.
:16:06. > :16:12.network and the Wall Street Journal. All eyes on that. The markets are
:16:12. > :16:14.an ugly sight. They are worried an ugly sight. They are worried
:16:14. > :16:24.about Italy and Spain. Aaron Heselhurst, thank you very much.
:16:24. > :16:34.
:16:34. > :16:40.Plenty more coming up. You can find This is GMT from BBC World News.
:16:40. > :16:44.Here are the headlines: The former British Prime Minister, Gordon
:16:44. > :16:47.Brown has been speaking about his shot over allegations that two
:16:47. > :16:51.newspapers use underhand means to obtain financial and medical
:16:51. > :16:55.records relating to his family. The half-brother of the Afghan
:16:55. > :17:01.President, a key political ally, a shot dead in the southern city of
:17:01. > :17:04.Kandahar. -- is shot dead.
:17:04. > :17:08.Human-rights activists have urged President Obama to launch a
:17:08. > :17:12.criminal investigation into his predecessor, George Bush, over
:17:12. > :17:15.alleged torture. The former President and other officials have
:17:15. > :17:23.repeatedly defended themselves by saying the acts they authorised
:17:23. > :17:30.were legal and necessary to prevent attacks on the United States.
:17:30. > :17:34.He was a president to divided a nation and the world. During a
:17:34. > :17:37.tumultuous time in office, George Bush made many controversial
:17:37. > :17:41.decisions. Human Rights Watch say that some of those policies led to
:17:41. > :17:46.torture and they want a criminal investigation. Among the charges,
:17:46. > :17:49.waterboarding, which the Bush Administration approved for the
:17:49. > :17:55.interrogation of terrorist suspects. Critics have called it torture.
:17:55. > :17:59.Also, rendition. CIA suspects flown to other countries were
:17:59. > :18:02.interrogation techniques were harsher than in the US. Human
:18:02. > :18:06.Rights Watch says there is enough evidence for a criminal
:18:06. > :18:10.investigation into senior officials for approving the practices. That
:18:10. > :18:17.includes the President, Dick Cheney, and Defence Secretary Donald
:18:17. > :18:20.Rumsfeld. We are calling for a investigation and if appropriate,
:18:20. > :18:25.prosecution, but we are also calling for an independent
:18:25. > :18:29.investigation, in non partisan commission that will investigate
:18:29. > :18:33.the facts relating to the abuse and report a special prosecutor if
:18:33. > :18:38.necessary to pursue charges. But a criminal investigation into a
:18:38. > :18:41.former president is highly unlikely. George Bush has always defended his
:18:41. > :18:47.actions and says that he acted to safeguard the nation. He says that
:18:47. > :18:51.it is history that will ultimately be his judge.
:18:51. > :18:58.I am joined by Washington from David Rivkin, former legal adviser
:18:58. > :19:03.to the White House, and the UK director of Human Rights Watch,
:19:03. > :19:06.David Mepham. You are adamant that the Bush administration authorised
:19:06. > :19:11.torture and war crimes? We think there is overwhelming evidence that
:19:11. > :19:14.we have compiled in this 100 and seven-page report that the Bush
:19:14. > :19:18.administration and George Bush himself, Dick Cheney, Tour of Ron
:19:18. > :19:23.Scott, senior figures at the top of the administration of the rise acts
:19:23. > :19:25.of torture. -- Donald Rumsfeld. We have put our evidence on the table
:19:25. > :19:28.and we think it is incumbent on the legal authorities and the
:19:28. > :19:34.government of the United States to address this seriously. David
:19:34. > :19:39.Rivkin, do you see the need for a criminal investigation,
:19:39. > :19:43.particularly of these members of the former British administration?
:19:43. > :19:46.-- former Bush administration. think it is a regrettable publicity
:19:46. > :19:50.stunt on behalf of Human Rights Watch. These matters have been
:19:50. > :19:54.looked at for a number of years. I have not read the whole report, but
:19:55. > :19:58.I have read the summary. There is nothing new. These matters have
:19:58. > :20:03.been looked at extensively by the Justice Department and military
:20:03. > :20:08.authorities, and by Congress. The best proof I can give you that this
:20:08. > :20:14.investigation has occurred, a new administration has been in power
:20:14. > :20:17.for three years. They were harshly critical of their predecessors.
:20:17. > :20:21.There was discussion about the possibility of additional
:20:21. > :20:25.investigations, including a bipartisan commission. In the end
:20:25. > :20:30.of the day, a Democrat run administration hostile to a number
:20:30. > :20:33.of these policies has concluded that it is not necessary. Why is
:20:33. > :20:37.Human Rights Watch compound in this idea as if they have just
:20:37. > :20:41.discovered something? -- compounding this idea. It is a
:20:41. > :20:45.publicity stunt. I'll give you a chance to respond to that. The
:20:45. > :20:49.Obama administration looks upon the use of waterboarding as a policy
:20:49. > :20:55.choice rather than a choice against legality. And we strongly disagree
:20:55. > :20:58.with that. The fact that the administration has chosen not to
:20:58. > :21:06.pursue this is an indictment of the administration. Torture is not a
:21:06. > :21:09.policy choice, it is a crime. The United States is a signatory to the
:21:09. > :21:14.international defence against torture. The people responsible
:21:14. > :21:19.need to be brought to book. Does Mr Rifkind say that he thinks this is
:21:19. > :21:22.or torture? Is it not a form of torture to hold somebody under
:21:22. > :21:26.water and pretend that they are going to ground. There are
:21:26. > :21:30.countries like Spain where there have been moves to make a case
:21:30. > :21:33.implicating US authorities. -- going to drown. George Bush
:21:33. > :21:38.abandoned a trip to Switzerland earlier this year after reports
:21:38. > :21:44.that there was say case being prepared alleging torture. There
:21:44. > :21:47.are international criticisms. Two things, first of all, let us be
:21:48. > :21:52.clear we are talking about enhanced irrigation techniques in which
:21:52. > :21:59.waterboarding, used in a mild for more only three people, is the most
:21:59. > :22:06.troubling. -- in a mild form or on only three people. When you say
:22:06. > :22:11.troubling, is it wrong? Under the circumstances, it was not wrong, in
:22:11. > :22:14.my opinion. It was done in an extremely mild form. In harsher
:22:14. > :22:19.forms, it has been used on thousands of US servicemen to
:22:19. > :22:23.prepare them to resist interrogation. There are forms of
:22:23. > :22:26.waterboarding that are torture and there are forms of waterboarding
:22:26. > :22:31.that are enhanced irrigation techniques and are not. I encourage
:22:31. > :22:36.you to look at enhanced -- the terminology. I'm not interested in
:22:36. > :22:41.talking about the substance. Let us talk about the substance. Why not?
:22:41. > :22:46.Why, two years into the new administration, harshly critical of
:22:46. > :22:50.its predecessors, with a Congress that is independent, everybody has
:22:50. > :22:55.look at it, everybody has concluded that nothing is necessary. What
:22:55. > :22:58.have you discovered that you did not know two years ago? You have
:22:58. > :23:03.not read the report. Perhaps you should read the report, given that
:23:03. > :23:06.you talk about milder forms of waterboarding. That is an
:23:06. > :23:10.extraordinary comment. It is emphatically torture. The
:23:10. > :23:14.international legal opinion is very clear about that. You're saying
:23:14. > :23:18.that in some circumstances, you think that is OK? I know this
:23:18. > :23:21.conversation to go on much longer but unfortunately, we are out of
:23:21. > :23:29.time. The report is out and I expect you two will have much to
:23:29. > :23:33.talk about after this interview. Allegations that a tier bought its
:23:33. > :23:39.way into was in the World Cup in the year 2022 have been vigorously
:23:40. > :23:47.denied by the Chief Executive of the a Qatari bid. -- to tarmac.
:23:47. > :23:52.Speaking for the first time since the victory, he dismissed a planned
:23:52. > :23:57.review by FIFA. We have addressed every single point in a very
:23:57. > :24:03.impressive way. We ran our campaign impressively and yet nobody has
:24:03. > :24:11.address that. Should we sit down and say no? Should we give up? To
:24:11. > :24:14.that, I'll answer no. I would like to collaborate, everything that has
:24:14. > :24:19.happened is a vindication of why the World Cup should come to the
:24:20. > :24:25.Middle East, Y v Qatar 2022 World Cup should happen. The reality is
:24:25. > :24:31.that the average person on the street in England, in Sheffield or
:24:31. > :24:35.in Egypt or wherever, the average individual might not be aware of
:24:35. > :24:39.what is good out there, the good in the other person's nature and
:24:39. > :24:42.culture. If we let these things come out and stop us from
:24:42. > :24:48.delivering that message and delivering this platform for the
:24:48. > :24:54.rest of the world to understand, then we will have failed, and I
:24:54. > :24:57.will tell you one thing, we will continue, because as I said, I am
:24:57. > :25:05.of preaching, but I am fully committed to what we have done. I
:25:05. > :25:08.did not put my career on hold... And nobody in this bid put their
:25:08. > :25:16.career on hold to come here and deliver this bid to the rest of the
:25:16. > :25:19.world, to deliver it and when, for us to sit down and sulk just
:25:20. > :25:25.because there are tax coming out of the passion and emotion that people
:25:25. > :25:31.have, rather than the rational thought. -- there are attacks.
:25:31. > :25:36.FIFA held the review, what would the reaction be? Absolute outrage.
:25:36. > :25:40.Why? If there is evidence, investigate the evidence. I have
:25:40. > :25:45.always said that, please go ahead. Would you be prepared to move the
:25:45. > :25:48.World Cup to winter? This is not a question that we should be asked.
:25:48. > :25:52.This is a question that the Football Forum have to answer.
:25:52. > :25:57.they said they would prefer it? I said again, this is a question
:25:57. > :26:03.for them. For Ross, we are ready to host it in the winter or the summer,
:26:03. > :26:06.one of her. We are ready to host it right now. Our plans are moving
:26:06. > :26:12.towards forcing it in the summer. - - for us. You would be adaptable if
:26:12. > :26:17.they said that they would be happier moving it to winter?
:26:17. > :26:22.think a nation that has 10 years to prepare would be able to adapt, not
:26:22. > :26:26.just us, in a nation. Staying with football, the Argentine soccer
:26:26. > :26:31.legend Diego Maradona Emil -- Diego Maradona has been injured after the
:26:31. > :26:36.car collision with a bus. The 50- year-old and his partner, Veronica
:26:36. > :26:40.Ojeda, chose to go to hospital themselves. The cause of the
:26:40. > :26:44.accident is currently under investigation.