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:00:11. > :00:14.It is getting crowded out here. From today, we are sharing the

:00:15. > :00:18.earth with 7 billion others. The global population has doubled in

:00:18. > :00:28.just 50 years. We will hear how some countries want to get even

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:00:35. > :00:40.Welcome to GMT. Also coming up - the last few hours of the NATO

:00:40. > :00:49.mission in Libya. The allies say it is a major success, but at what

:00:49. > :00:54.cost? And a night to chill the soul, as an unseasonal snowstorm hits the

:00:54. > :01:04.north-east of the United States. It is lunchtime in London, 8:30am in

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:01:04. > :01:13.New York. Today is the daily chosen by the United Nations to mark the

:01:13. > :01:17.arrival of the 7 billionth occupant on the earth. What matters about

:01:18. > :01:22.today is the impact of the soaring population on the planet. We will

:01:22. > :01:26.be live in Africa to talk about it in a moment. First, this report

:01:26. > :01:30.from our correspondent. It is more about symbols than exact science,

:01:30. > :01:36.when it comes to global population. The UN has declared that in each

:01:36. > :01:42.country, one baby born on 31st October becomes the 7 billionth

:01:42. > :01:49.person. There are mini Tanni candidates. The Philippines'

:01:49. > :01:56.contribution is this baby. Blissfully unaware of her celebrity

:01:56. > :02:00.status. Born into a crowded public hospital in Manila, she was greeted

:02:00. > :02:05.with a chocolate cake and speeches. Family planning is a controversial

:02:05. > :02:11.issue in this Catholic country, and her mother has decided to defy

:02:11. > :02:19.Church teaching and practise birth control. This little boy is that

:02:19. > :02:22.chosen one in Russia. But a quarrel is brewing. In the Far East of the

:02:22. > :02:32.country, local politicians have declared another candidate as the

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:02:34. > :02:40.first to be born on this day. Russia has a shrinking population.

:02:40. > :02:45.But India has the opposite problem. It has been projected that in 2025,

:02:45. > :02:51.its population will overtake China's. There is also a sex ratio

:02:51. > :02:57.problem, because of a cultural preference for boys. So in one

:02:57. > :03:02.region, they said they would be nominating seven girls. In 20

:03:02. > :03:06.years' time, there will be far less girls than boys at a marriage age.

:03:06. > :03:11.That means that girls will be brought in from different states.

:03:11. > :03:15.They will be brought in from a different society, and they will be

:03:15. > :03:20.less empowered to deal on equal terms with their husband. China is

:03:20. > :03:25.also dogged by a shortage of girls. But the government there believes

:03:25. > :03:29.its draconian family planning policy has paid dividends. Its

:03:29. > :03:35.problem now is not enough young Chinese to support a huge elderly

:03:35. > :03:40.population. So, 7 billion and counting. And for many, the key

:03:40. > :03:45.question is, how to manage the earth's scarce resources so that

:03:45. > :03:49.babies born now have a bright future. Much of the world

:03:49. > :03:54.population growth is coming from Africa. In Zambia, half the

:03:54. > :03:59.population is aged under 16. Nigeria, already the largest

:03:59. > :04:03.country on the continent, is also seeing the demographic boom. Our

:04:03. > :04:11.correspondent joins us from Lagos, a city of 15 million and still

:04:11. > :04:16.growing. Yes, welcome to what has been called the baby factory by its

:04:16. > :04:20.director. This is a maternity hospital in Lagos, the post-natal

:04:21. > :04:25.ward, with about 50 women here, who have given birth in the past few

:04:25. > :04:33.days. There is an extraordinary atmosphere here, as some of the

:04:33. > :04:37.Dad's turn up, nappies are being changed, milk is being fed. There

:04:37. > :04:42.is lots of breast feeding going on as well. One of the women worthy of

:04:42. > :04:48.much congratulations is this one with me now. How are you and your

:04:49. > :04:54.little one doing? Fine, thanks. He is a nice boy. I gave birth on

:04:54. > :05:02.Tuesday, it is nearly a week now. He seems fine. Is he your first

:05:02. > :05:11.one? Yes, and I would like to have two more. Just two more, that's

:05:11. > :05:16.quite small by Nigerian standards. Before, about five years ago...

:05:16. > :05:20.sorry, we seem to have lost our correspondent there. Problems with

:05:20. > :05:28.the satellite. We can bring you some breaking news coming in from

:05:28. > :05:36.Paris. Unesco, the United Nations cultural organisation, has voted in

:05:36. > :05:45.favour of giving the Palestinians full membership. 107 votes against

:05:45. > :05:51.14, with 15 abstentions. The United States and Israel were firmly

:05:51. > :05:56.opposed. It is going to cost Unesco dear, because having approved this,

:05:56. > :06:02.they will lose their funding from the US, which amounts to some 22%.

:06:02. > :06:09.It is not clear who will step in to meet that. They needed the backing

:06:09. > :06:19.of to thirds of the 193 members, but this is another step, really,

:06:19. > :06:22.

:06:22. > :06:30.towards the aspiration of full statehood. That news just in.

:06:30. > :06:35.Unesco, the world heritage organisation, making that decision.

:06:35. > :06:38.Some of the other headlines. The Australian airline Qantas has

:06:38. > :06:44.resumed flights following the industrial dispute. The company

:06:44. > :06:48.says services will be back to normal by Tuesday. An independent

:06:48. > :06:55.tribunal forced the airline and the unions to negotiate. A suicide

:06:55. > :07:02.bomber has killed five people in a United Nations building in Kandahar

:07:02. > :07:06.in the southern Afghanistan. The Taliban has claim responsibility.

:07:06. > :07:11.Floodwaters are still wreaking havoc across much of Thailand,

:07:11. > :07:21.swamping suburbs. Much of the capital appears to have escaped the

:07:21. > :07:22.

:07:22. > :07:27.worst of the floods. There is worry about disease in the outer suburbs.

:07:27. > :07:31.NATO is officially ending its seven-month long mission in Libya.

:07:31. > :07:36.The operation began in March, one month after the uprising against

:07:36. > :07:45.Colonel Gaddafi started. NATO has been asked to keep a presence in

:07:45. > :07:52.the country, and discussions are ongoing. Let's go to Tripoli, to

:07:52. > :07:56.speak to our correspondent. Mustafa Abdul Jalil, the head of the NTC,

:07:56. > :08:05.asked NATO to stay until the end of the year, so are they disappointed

:08:05. > :08:09.about this move? I apologise, the line is not very good, but as far

:08:09. > :08:15.as the NTC is concerned, the war against Colonel Gaddafi is over.

:08:15. > :08:20.But they definitely want NATO to stay. The Secretary-General of NATO,

:08:20. > :08:23.Anders Fogh Rasmussen, is here now. He will be speaking with the

:08:23. > :08:27.leaders of the Transitional Council. And he will be talking to them

:08:27. > :08:31.about what kind of a role NATO member states can play as Libya

:08:31. > :08:36.builds its new future, whether that is securing the borders,

:08:36. > :08:39.decommissioning of weapons, or, most importantly, according to the

:08:39. > :08:44.defence ministry here, building a national military. On the ground at

:08:44. > :08:48.least, the war against Colonel Gaddafi's forces was fought by

:08:48. > :08:53.individual militias, nominally loyal to the Transitional Council,

:08:53. > :09:03.but there are quite fond of their weapons and their new-found power,

:09:03. > :09:07.

:09:07. > :09:15.and it will be difficult to draw Let's go to our central London

:09:15. > :09:23.studio, to speak to a Conservative MP, who opposed Britain joining the

:09:23. > :09:28.NATO mission in Libya. Anders Fogh Rasmussen says this was one of the

:09:28. > :09:32.most successful NATO missions yet - do you accept you called this one

:09:32. > :09:39.wrong? Not at all. None of us that doubted that NATO would prevail at

:09:39. > :09:44.the end of the day. It was essentially an uneven battle

:09:44. > :09:50.against a tinpot dictator. But victory in itself does not justify

:09:50. > :09:56.intervention. War Nige to be a measure of last resort, and this is

:09:56. > :10:00.why I opposed our interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.

:10:00. > :10:08.were calling for a diplomatic negotiation, but Colonel Gaddafi

:10:08. > :10:13.never had any intention of leaving, did he? We must remember here that

:10:14. > :10:19.there were alternatives to war before we committed our NATO forces.

:10:19. > :10:23.For example, Egypt had a vastly superior air force, was calling for

:10:23. > :10:28.un no-fly zone, was in a better position to put it in, and was

:10:28. > :10:32.ideally located. We should have explored these options first.

:10:32. > :10:37.Intervention should always be a lost resort once we have explored

:10:37. > :10:42.all other options, and that includes diplomacy. What about the

:10:42. > :10:49.moral high ground in this? Had NATO not intervened, Benghazi could have

:10:49. > :10:53.been the scene of a massacre. not know that for sure. I spend

:10:53. > :10:56.quite a lot of time there, and when you see the number of tanks and

:10:56. > :11:01.artillery which were destroyed by NATO, you realise that Colonel

:11:01. > :11:06.Gaddafi was within a few miles of the city. Don't forget, Gaddafi was

:11:06. > :11:10.having trouble taking the much smaller town of Misrata in the West.

:11:10. > :11:15.But also, Egypt had a vastly superior air force to Libya, it

:11:15. > :11:20.could have put in a no-fly zone overnight. I think NATO getting

:11:20. > :11:26.involved stretched the UN mandate, and basically, the objective was

:11:26. > :11:29.regime change. It was in my view the longest assassination attempt

:11:29. > :11:33.in history. If we talk about the humanitarian reasons for

:11:33. > :11:40.intervention, we must not forget, why have we not intervened in

:11:40. > :11:44.Bahrain, in Yemen? These are locations where tinpot dictators

:11:44. > :11:48.are putting down their own people, smaller countries. Answer that

:11:48. > :11:53.question, is it just because Gaddafi had no friends? There is an

:11:53. > :11:58.element of that, but there has to be some consistency with regard to

:11:58. > :12:04.our foreign policy interventions. France's initial reaction to the

:12:04. > :12:07.Tunisian uprising was to put the revolt down. I suspect this was

:12:07. > :12:14.less to do with humanitarian reasons and more to do with regime

:12:14. > :12:24.change, as we saw with the bombing of Gaddafi's homes, and stretching

:12:24. > :12:29.

:12:29. > :12:34.the UN mandate to breaking point by With Libya's transition taking

:12:34. > :12:37.place, Syria is also feeling the heat. The Arab League is waiting

:12:37. > :12:46.for a response from President Assad to its proposals for ending the

:12:46. > :12:51.bloodshed. President Assad, in a newspaper interview yesterday,

:12:51. > :12:55.warned of another Afghanistan, if foreign forces intervened in Syria,

:12:55. > :12:59.as they had in Libya. Our correspondent has been watching

:12:59. > :13:03.events from neighbouring Lebanon. Apocalyptic language from President

:13:03. > :13:07.Assad yesterday, and really, encapsulating what a lot of the

:13:07. > :13:17.region feels about the dilemma, when it comes to dealing with

:13:17. > :13:19.

:13:19. > :13:23.That's right. Syria is not a simple knock on the affair from Libya,

:13:23. > :13:28.Egypt, Tunisia and so on. The conditions in each of these

:13:28. > :13:34.countries are different. But Syria is certainly more complicated than

:13:34. > :13:38.any other. It has a very complex internal, sectarian situation and

:13:38. > :13:43.an interface with Israel so the whole Arab Israeli conflict comes

:13:43. > :13:48.into play with Syria's long history of opposition to Israel. There are

:13:48. > :13:53.a lot of consideration Sir that didn't hold true for the countries

:13:53. > :13:58.in North Africa, which were in a sense more homogenised and easier

:13:58. > :14:02.to deal with. President Asad was saying what everyone knows, that

:14:02. > :14:06.there are fault-lines that come together, ethnic and others, which

:14:06. > :14:10.means what happens there has a big effect on the region, both in the

:14:10. > :14:16.immediate vicinity in countries like Lebanon, Iraq, with sectarian

:14:16. > :14:20.issues, and in the wider region, politically. It is a complex case,

:14:20. > :14:24.but the bloodshed goes on and on and there are fears that that kind

:14:24. > :14:28.of fragmentation could happen anyway unless there is a resolution

:14:28. > :14:31.in sight, which is why the outside world is starting to scratch its

:14:31. > :14:36.head a bit and think, maybe we should be doing something about

:14:36. > :14:41.Syria. There was defiance in the tone of the interview yesterday. He

:14:41. > :14:44.said he had interviews -- introduced reforms, and

:14:44. > :14:51.pragmatically speaking, does he have the support of the key cities

:14:51. > :14:55.in Syria? Damascus and Aleppo are yet to come out and join the

:14:55. > :15:01.uprising, which means there are significant social classes,

:15:01. > :15:05.especially the Sunni Muslim middle- classes, the middle-class, the

:15:05. > :15:09.minorities, like that Christians who are largely with the regime

:15:09. > :15:16.because they fear the consequences of regime change. What he is trying

:15:16. > :15:23.to do for sale, at least, is a reform process. It took a little

:15:23. > :15:27.step forward with the first meeting and it has for months to complete

:15:27. > :15:30.its job. From the point of view of the opposition, that is not fast

:15:30. > :15:35.enough and they don't take it seriously because the reforms and

:15:35. > :15:40.changes they have seek makes no difference on the ground, and the

:15:40. > :15:43.bloodshed goes on, the torture, all very well documented and it still

:15:43. > :15:50.goes on. So there is a disconnection between the two

:15:50. > :15:55.narratives. Jim, thank you very much. In the last few minutes the

:15:55. > :15:59.UN group Unesco has planted Palestinians full membership --

:15:59. > :16:02.grunted. A small step from a body which protects world heritage site,

:16:03. > :16:07.but a significant one in the wider ambitions of Palestine to the

:16:07. > :16:12.estate. We can speak to John Dovaston. It would have been a

:16:12. > :16:16.surprise had they not done this, but they must be very pleased.

:16:16. > :16:20.are very pleased. I have been watching the Palestinian delegation

:16:20. > :16:26.celebrating in the hall in Paris and it was an overwhelming victory.

:16:26. > :16:32.107 countries voted in favour of Palestinian membership with only 14

:16:32. > :16:34.against with 49 abstentions. You are right. This membership of

:16:34. > :16:41.Unesco will not give the Palestinians the state they want,

:16:41. > :16:46.but they see it as a step, if you like, towards gaining international

:16:46. > :16:51.recognition and putting pressure on Israel. I have just lost the sound

:16:51. > :16:56.to you, I think, but this was a victory despite huge pressure from

:16:56. > :17:01.the United States, Israel and the European Union for the Palestinians

:17:01. > :17:07.not to go ahead. The US, for example will probably cut of all

:17:07. > :17:13.funding to Unesco under a law that was approved in the 90s that no UN

:17:13. > :17:19.body will get funding if Palestine is a full member state. The United

:17:19. > :17:23.States give 70 million US dollars a year to Unesco, 20 % of the Budget,

:17:23. > :17:29.and despite the threat the membership went ahead and approved

:17:29. > :17:35.the membership. We will leave it there if we have lost sound with

:17:35. > :17:38.you. You're watching GMT. As the snow falls over Occupy wall Street

:17:39. > :17:45.protesters, we speak to a hedge fund manager who wonders if the

:17:45. > :17:50.rift between demonstrators and the companies can ever be bridged.

:17:50. > :17:55.Let's see if we can bridge any gaps here. Where shall we start with?

:17:55. > :17:59.Qantas? Great news for the 70,000 passengers to have been stranded

:17:59. > :18:03.since Saturday since the airline suspended all operations. It is

:18:03. > :18:08.back in the sky, and the reason is the Australian independent tribunal

:18:08. > :18:14.ordered a permanent end to the industrial strike action which has

:18:14. > :18:19.rocked the airline. It is important to explain the background. There is

:18:19. > :18:24.expansion in Asia and our sorting, so the unions have been up in arms.

:18:24. > :18:27.Ever since then the reason that the see of Qantas order the suspension

:18:27. > :18:32.was he wanted a permanent end to the strikes, which is what he got

:18:32. > :18:39.that the broader picture is that the Western legacy have to shake-up

:18:39. > :18:43.the business model because they are struggling to compete. It is 20 %

:18:43. > :18:48.more expensive to run than other airlines. Yes, and the reason is?

:18:48. > :18:50.Let me see means like pensions, proper working practices and costs

:18:51. > :18:58.which means they have to get them under control which is part of the

:18:58. > :19:04.process. He summed up very well. are hearing by when estate

:19:04. > :19:10.operations should be back to normal. OK. ECB, Super Mario, why Super

:19:10. > :19:13.Mario? He is Italian, and we will get a bat, but he is highly

:19:13. > :19:18.regarded for what he has done in turning round the Italian central

:19:18. > :19:21.bank. Jean-Claude Trichet, it is his last day today and he has held

:19:21. > :19:26.the reins for eight years and the focus is his legacy. It's

:19:26. > :19:30.interesting because the first half of his reign where we saw euro-zone

:19:30. > :19:35.growth and moderate inflation and on top of that the financial system

:19:35. > :19:38.in the Eurozone was stable. It is likely to be overshadowed by the

:19:38. > :19:46.sovereign debt crisis, but all eyes on Super Mario. The biggest problem

:19:46. > :19:52.he may have at the moment is that he is Italian. He has to be

:19:53. > :19:58.regarded as an Italian central banker who likes easy money and low

:19:58. > :20:06.interest rates that he is in fact a very conservative central banker

:20:06. > :20:10.and he is going to try and avoid being regarded as a dark -- as a

:20:10. > :20:14.dark, so he might be more conservative. He may be more

:20:14. > :20:18.conservative, but all eyes will be on whether he can continue on the

:20:18. > :20:22.same path as the ECB is following. He is not very keen on buying all

:20:22. > :20:27.of these bonds. The was described as a very German Italian. He might

:20:27. > :20:35.have to be too. A quick look at the markets, I don't know if we have

:20:35. > :20:40.got them. It is more bank and lest ways. The markets are down and it

:20:40. > :20:45.is retreating. We want to hear what you think, so do get in touch with

:20:45. > :20:55.us at GMT. The best way to do that is to go to our website -

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:20:58. > :21:00.This is GMT from BBC World News. I'm Tim Willcox. The headlines: The

:21:00. > :21:04.world's population hits the landmark figure of seven billion.

:21:04. > :21:10.The UN says it has doubled in the last 50 years and it will carry on

:21:10. > :21:13.climbing. NATO is officially ending its seven-month long mission in

:21:13. > :21:19.Libya - the new transitional authorities have asked it to keep a

:21:19. > :21:22.More than three million homes are without power in the United States

:21:22. > :21:26.after an unseasonal snowstorm blanketed the country's north east.

:21:26. > :21:35.At least nine people have died in snow-related accidents. From

:21:35. > :21:38.Washington, Zoe Conway reports. It is being called shock October,

:21:39. > :21:42.freakish no raining down on 60 million Americans. Could it be that

:21:42. > :21:49.Mother Nature has been playing a spectacular Hallowe'en trick? She

:21:49. > :21:53.has certainly broken records. Only four times in the past 135 years

:21:53. > :21:58.has New York's Central Park seen snow this early. I hate it, hate it,

:21:58. > :22:03.hated. I cannot express how much I hate it. This weather is just

:22:03. > :22:07.blowing us away. We are shocked. Misery has been felt across the

:22:07. > :22:09.country as downed power lines knocked out 3 million people

:22:09. > :22:16.electricity. For many residents it could be days before the power

:22:16. > :22:20.comes back. Nine people died in the storm as roads became treacherous.

:22:20. > :22:24.More than 1,000 flights were cancelled and some passengers were

:22:24. > :22:27.trapped on grounded planes for hours. In their autumnal glory, the

:22:27. > :22:36.White House trees were proved that the President hadn't got the date

:22:36. > :22:40.wrong. It is not ideal. Are you doing all right? And the first

:22:40. > :22:45.family were still needed to preside over trick or treating. Good to see

:22:45. > :22:49.you. Well the weather did not prevent him from doing his job, for

:22:49. > :22:57.many Americans it will take time for their lives to return to normal,

:22:57. > :23:01.The snow in New York was a taste of what's to come for the Occupy Wall

:23:01. > :23:03.Street demonstrators camping out in lower Manhattan. The movement

:23:03. > :23:07.against corporate influence in government which began six weeks

:23:07. > :23:10.ago has spread to many cities in the US and around the world, but

:23:10. > :23:13.not without controversy. Over the weekend, police took action against

:23:13. > :23:17.a number of Occupy protests in Virginia, Texas, Oregon and

:23:17. > :23:24.Colorado. On today's GMT, we explore the view from the other

:23:24. > :23:32.angle, the view from Wall Street. We can speak now to James Altucher.

:23:32. > :23:36.He is New York Managing Director of Formula Capital. Many of you guys

:23:36. > :23:41.dismiss the protesters as an incoherent jumble of groups, but

:23:41. > :23:46.you ignore them at their peril, don't you? I don't think so. You

:23:46. > :23:50.said yourself, they are protesting against corporate influence in

:23:50. > :23:56.government, so why isn't there and occupy Washington DC? We always

:23:56. > :24:00.hear about this one, but the people working on Wall Street on normally

:24:00. > :24:03.low level back office administrators and officials of the

:24:03. > :24:06.different banks. They have lost their homes and lost their savings

:24:06. > :24:12.and pensions and now they have to deal with all of these protesters

:24:12. > :24:16.yelling in their faces when they are not guilty. Where is Occupied

:24:16. > :24:21.Washington DC? When you say you people, we are not sure what you

:24:21. > :24:25.mean. I used to live on Wall Street but I don't work on Wall Street.

:24:25. > :24:28.think a lot of the anger is that some of the people in the financial

:24:28. > :24:34.industry are getting richer where is the the rest of this life is

:24:34. > :24:38.getting much tighter. When you say the rest of us, a lot of people

:24:38. > :24:44.want jobs and they don't want their homes foreclose on. They want to

:24:44. > :24:48.have a chance at success and the so-called American dream. Again,

:24:48. > :24:54.who initiated the bail-out? To improve double the compensation? It

:24:54. > :24:57.is not the low level workers -- work is on Wall Street it is the

:24:57. > :25:02.chief executives on Park Avenue or in Connecticut, it is the

:25:02. > :25:07.government in Washington. I think the anger, I understand that, and

:25:07. > :25:11.we are all angry, but let's get to the root of the problem if we want

:25:11. > :25:16.to have changed, and it is not sitting on Wall Street, it is

:25:16. > :25:19.sitting in Washington DC where many of the policies were initiated.

:25:19. > :25:23.Does Wall Street share any of the blame when you look for example at

:25:23. > :25:29.the hedge funds, the derivatives markets, the slicing up a debt,

:25:29. > :25:32.money being made each time that is done. Of course, but all of those

:25:32. > :25:39.see he does have quit or been fired or throw out and had their golden

:25:39. > :25:46.parachutes. All of them? Leman brothers, a lot of the big guys who

:25:46. > :25:50.were there are now gone. Lehmann Brothers is demolished. Meryl Lynch

:25:50. > :25:54.got absorb into Bank of America, which is based in North Carolina,

:25:54. > :26:00.so I think at some point you have to say he will be protesting

:26:00. > :26:03.against? Why I'll be sitting here in a park next to Wall Street when

:26:03. > :26:07.the corporations are maybe thousands of miles away or even

:26:07. > :26:10.just five miles away. What are we protesting about and what do we

:26:10. > :26:15.want? Right now I have heard everything from the banks not

:26:15. > :26:20.lending to health care, and of course a lot of scapegoating and

:26:20. > :26:24.accusations of anti-Semitism coming out of Occupied Wall Street. Who

:26:24. > :26:28.are they protesting against and why the location they are in? I have

:26:28. > :26:32.not heard a reasonable argument. Many of the corporates are still in

:26:32. > :26:35.Washington DC. It is a new phenomenon, so that is what makes

:26:35. > :26:39.it difficult for us to get our heads around, this is spreading

:26:39. > :26:46.almost like the internet. There is a wide range of complaints but they

:26:46. > :26:50.have to focus themselves somewhere. I agree, but look at the last time

:26:50. > :26:54.there were massive demonstrations across the US. 1968, when we were