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0:00:00 > 0:00:04- It's a week for young people on S4C - - Dyma Fi week.
0:00:04 > 0:00:10- We're in the Senedd in Cardiff Bay - for a special edition of Hacio.
0:00:10 > 0:00:12- Subtitles
0:00:25 > 0:00:29- Over the past few weeks, Hacio - has travelled all over Wales...
0:00:29 > 0:00:33- ..to hear the topics that worry - the young people of Wales.
0:00:34 > 0:00:36- One of those was the war in Syria...
0:00:36 > 0:00:39- ..and Britain's obligations - towards refugees.
0:00:39 > 0:00:42- But after the massacre in Paris - on Friday...
0:00:42 > 0:00:46- ..we'll be asking - what Britain should do now.
0:00:47 > 0:00:52- While there's a special week - for young people on S4C...
0:00:52 > 0:00:56- ..we'll be asking - young people's views on the channel.
0:00:56 > 0:01:00- I don't watch it a lot - because it isn't relevant.
0:01:01 > 0:01:05- We'll also be discussing drugs and - the petition to legalize cannabis.
0:01:06 > 0:01:09- Legalizing and controlling drugs...
0:01:09 > 0:01:14- ..would make it much safer for users - compared to black market dealers.
0:01:15 > 0:01:19- To finish, - the state of sex education in Wales.
0:01:20 > 0:01:22- For the sake of man, and woman...
0:01:23 > 0:01:26- ..sex education in Wales - needs to be revolutionized - now.
0:01:27 > 0:01:31- Those are the subjects - we'll focus on tonight.
0:01:34 > 0:01:36- I'm joined in the Senedd...
0:01:37 > 0:01:41- ..by some of the sixth formers - who had their say on our tour.
0:01:41 > 0:01:45- From Carmarthen to Caernarfon, they - will be giving their views tonight.
0:01:48 > 0:01:54- First, Lois Angharad - looks back on IS's attacks on Paris.
0:01:57 > 0:02:00- Deuxieme explosion - au Stade de France!
0:02:02 > 0:02:04- Friday the 13th.
0:02:05 > 0:02:07- A massacre on the streets of Paris.
0:02:10 > 0:02:11- EXPLOSION
0:02:12 > 0:02:14- As Germany played France - at Stade de France...
0:02:15 > 0:02:19- ..three suicide bombers - detonated their explosives outside.
0:02:21 > 0:02:25- On the streets of Paris, - armed men fired mercilessly...
0:02:25 > 0:02:28- ..at innocent people - in bars and restaurants.
0:02:33 > 0:02:34- GUNSHOTS
0:02:36 > 0:02:40- The deadliest attack - happened at the Bataclan.
0:02:40 > 0:02:43- IS terrorists targeted the crowd...
0:02:43 > 0:02:46- ..watching the US rock band - Eagles of Death Metal.
0:02:50 > 0:02:54- The siege ended when armed police - stormed the hall...
0:02:54 > 0:02:57- ..and three of the terrorists - blew themselves up.
0:02:57 > 0:03:01- In claiming responsibility - for the massacre...
0:03:01 > 0:03:05- ..IS blames France for supporting - air attacks on them in Syria.
0:03:05 > 0:03:09- According to the French President, - Francois Hollande...
0:03:09 > 0:03:12- ..the Islamic State's attacks - is an act or war.
0:03:13 > 0:03:20- Yesterday's events in Paris and in - Saint-Denis near Stade de France...
0:03:20 > 0:03:23- ..was an act of war.
0:03:24 > 0:03:30- Faced with a war, our country - must make appropriate decisions.
0:03:31 > 0:03:35- As the world mourned - and showed support to France...
0:03:35 > 0:03:37- ..questions are being asked.
0:03:38 > 0:03:42- Is it time for Britain - to intervene militarily in Syria?
0:03:42 > 0:03:47- How do we tackle the extremists - who live in large European cities?
0:03:47 > 0:03:51- Where and when - will the terrorists strike next?
0:03:56 > 0:04:01- Harrowing scenes of the attacks - on Paris last Friday.
0:04:01 > 0:04:05- The big question is, - where does this leave us in Britain?
0:04:05 > 0:04:07- How should we respond?
0:04:07 > 0:04:10- I think Britain...
0:04:10 > 0:04:14- ..other European countries - and America perhaps...
0:04:14 > 0:04:16- ..should join forces...
0:04:16 > 0:04:18- ..and start a war.
0:04:18 > 0:04:20- I think we should go to war.
0:04:20 > 0:04:23- Has it shaken you - seeing this happen so close to home?
0:04:23 > 0:04:24- Yes.
0:04:25 > 0:04:27- It's enough for us - to support the air attacks.
0:04:28 > 0:04:30- I think we have to do something.
0:04:30 > 0:04:31- Robert, do you agree?
0:04:31 > 0:04:36- Is now the time to respond or should - we be cautious despite the horrors?
0:04:36 > 0:04:38- We need to be cautious...
0:04:38 > 0:04:42- ..because military intervention is - what caused this in the first place.
0:04:43 > 0:04:47- I don't think military intervention - is the way forward.
0:04:47 > 0:04:51- I think Britain and other European - countries should stay neutral.
0:04:52 > 0:04:53- How can we stay neutral?
0:04:53 > 0:04:56- There have been deaths and attacks.
0:04:56 > 0:05:00- How can we stay neutral - in such an awful situation as this?
0:05:01 > 0:05:06- It sounds difficult to do - but a lot of it is a chain reaction.
0:05:06 > 0:05:08- One thing leads to another.
0:05:08 > 0:05:12- Even if something - shakes you to your core...
0:05:13 > 0:05:16- ..it needs to stop now as - it'll just lead to something else.
0:05:16 > 0:05:21- Are we playing into terrorists' - hands if we respond militarily?
0:05:21 > 0:05:24- I think it would - because it's what they want.
0:05:25 > 0:05:28- They want to prove - that all humans are just like them.
0:05:28 > 0:05:32- By going to war, - we prove we're just as barbaric.
0:05:33 > 0:05:37- I don't think it's right - to sit back and watch this happen...
0:05:37 > 0:05:38- ..all over the world.
0:05:39 > 0:05:42- What has shaken people - is that this happened in Paris...
0:05:43 > 0:05:45- ..not on the other side - of the world.
0:05:45 > 0:05:48- I could get there - by tomorrow morning.
0:05:48 > 0:05:54- We need to be cautious - and consider what happens next.
0:05:54 > 0:05:56- We can't let this continue...
0:05:56 > 0:05:59- ..but do we really - want the risk of a nuclear war...
0:05:59 > 0:06:01- ..where we could all die?
0:06:01 > 0:06:03- What do you think?
0:06:03 > 0:06:08- Is this an overreaction because - we've been emotionally affected?
0:06:08 > 0:06:11- Should we take a step back - or do you think we should retaliate?
0:06:12 > 0:06:13- We should retaliate.
0:06:13 > 0:06:15- They're extremists.
0:06:16 > 0:06:19- If Britain, America and - every other country in the world...
0:06:20 > 0:06:22- ..targets this small group - of extremists...
0:06:22 > 0:06:25- ..I don't think - it would result in a world war.
0:06:25 > 0:06:26- OK.
0:06:27 > 0:06:28- How do you go about that?
0:06:29 > 0:06:31- Do you think - we should take military action?
0:06:32 > 0:06:34- I think we do need to be cautious.
0:06:34 > 0:06:38- Things like this happen - all over the world every week...
0:06:38 > 0:06:44- ..but because it's so close to us, - it's hit so many of us...
0:06:44 > 0:06:49- ..and made us realize that, - as it's so close, it'll affect us.
0:06:50 > 0:06:52- An interesting point.
0:06:52 > 0:06:54- Why do we commiserate so much...
0:06:54 > 0:06:57- ..and why have we been shaken - so much by events in Paris...
0:06:58 > 0:07:02- ..when IS has been responsible for - the deaths of tens of thousands...
0:07:02 > 0:07:05- ..in Syria as well as in Lebanon - the day before?
0:07:05 > 0:07:08- Why are we shaken so much - by events in Paris...
0:07:08 > 0:07:12- ..compared to all the deaths that - have happened due to the fighting?
0:07:12 > 0:07:16- I think people are making - more of a fuss as it's so close.
0:07:16 > 0:07:19- If this had happened in Syria - or further from home...
0:07:19 > 0:07:22- ..people wouldn't take - so much notice.
0:07:22 > 0:07:26- People responded to this more - as they're worried about themselves.
0:07:26 > 0:07:29- You think - we should put this into context...
0:07:29 > 0:07:33- ..rather than responding immediately - because it happened in Paris.
0:07:33 > 0:07:37- We have to be cautious - but also consider what IS has done.
0:07:37 > 0:07:41- There was a suicide bomber - in Lebanon.
0:07:41 > 0:07:46- The media only seem to publish - the stories they want.
0:07:46 > 0:07:49- I don't think - they look at the full picture.
0:07:49 > 0:07:52- It's important to look - at everything that's happened.
0:07:52 > 0:07:54- Everything that IS has done.
0:07:54 > 0:08:00- Cameron said - that we needed to be vigilant.
0:08:00 > 0:08:02- "Remain vigilant," he said.
0:08:02 > 0:08:05- Are you worried - that by saying that...
0:08:05 > 0:08:09- ..it causes people - to be suspicious of others...
0:08:09 > 0:08:11- ..and to fear everyone - who's different?
0:08:12 > 0:08:13- Definitely.
0:08:13 > 0:08:16- The events over the weekend - were horrific.
0:08:16 > 0:08:19- People - might be questioning each other.
0:08:19 > 0:08:21- No-one's sure who's who - and what's what.
0:08:22 > 0:08:25- I don't think - we should respond militarily.
0:08:25 > 0:08:29- Once you start bombing and shooting, - it becomes like a ping-pong game.
0:08:30 > 0:08:31- There'll be revenge attacks.
0:08:32 > 0:08:36- It'll lead to World War III - and we certainly don't want that.
0:08:36 > 0:08:40- This comes on the tail of what - Britain should do about refugees.
0:08:41 > 0:08:43- The group from Wrexham.
0:08:44 > 0:08:45- Where do you stand on this?
0:08:45 > 0:08:48- A few weeks ago, - a man with a Wrexham address...
0:08:49 > 0:08:53- ..was jailed for plotting - to supply arms to terrorists.
0:08:53 > 0:08:56- Is it time - we did something about this?
0:08:56 > 0:09:00- With something like that - happening so close to home...
0:09:01 > 0:09:04- ..it made us more scared.
0:09:05 > 0:09:09- But we have to remember - not to discriminate.
0:09:09 > 0:09:14- We've been born - in a safe and democratic country.
0:09:14 > 0:09:18- We're no different to people - who want to live in a safe country.
0:09:18 > 0:09:19- We should let them do that.
0:09:20 > 0:09:24- Do we have to let some in or do we - protect our own people first?
0:09:24 > 0:09:26- I think we should let some in.
0:09:27 > 0:09:28- We should ensure...
0:09:28 > 0:09:32- ..there's a way of checking - that they really are refugees.
0:09:33 > 0:09:37- That sounds awful but it gives the - people already here ease of mind.
0:09:37 > 0:09:41- There'd be less ill feeling - toward people who do come in.
0:09:42 > 0:09:44- That would improve the situation.
0:09:44 > 0:09:45- That would improve the situation.- - Can that be done?
0:09:46 > 0:09:50- Can you check if someone is - a refugee or a possible terrorist?
0:09:50 > 0:09:53- It's hard, but it's something - we have to do.
0:09:53 > 0:09:56- We'll finish the discussion - where we started.
0:09:57 > 0:10:00- What's your view on refugees?
0:10:00 > 0:10:05- Should we remember our humanitarian - obligations and accept refugees?
0:10:05 > 0:10:07- Doing our bit, or is that risky?
0:10:07 > 0:10:12- Everyone might hate me for this but - I don't think we should let them in.
0:10:13 > 0:10:18- We should help them.
0:10:19 > 0:10:22- I feel they'd take over our lands - in years to come.
0:10:23 > 0:10:24- You agree.
0:10:25 > 0:10:26- I agree.
0:10:26 > 0:10:29- If they come in...
0:10:29 > 0:10:33- There aren't many jobs around.
0:10:33 > 0:10:34- They'd take our jobs.
0:10:35 > 0:10:38- A lot of money - would be spent on them.
0:10:38 > 0:10:41- Do we have that money to spend?
0:10:41 > 0:10:45- The NHS needs to be improved. - We don't have the money.
0:10:45 > 0:10:49- Aren't our humanitarian obligations - more important than money?
0:10:49 > 0:10:51- No, I don't think so.
0:10:51 > 0:10:54- It isn't our fault - that their country is poor.
0:10:54 > 0:10:58- I feel that there's a border - and it shouldn't be crossed.
0:10:58 > 0:11:00- I don't think we should let them in.
0:11:00 > 0:11:05- That's what ISIS wants. - They want us to not let them in.
0:11:05 > 0:11:08- They want us - to become more like them.
0:11:08 > 0:11:11- They want us to lose our morality.
0:11:11 > 0:11:15- It's hard - you don't want these - things to happen in your country.
0:11:15 > 0:11:18- You don't want it - to happen anywhere...
0:11:18 > 0:11:20- ..but especially so close to home.
0:11:22 > 0:11:28- I feel that everything we do - is exactly what they want us to do.
0:11:28 > 0:11:33- We need to step back - and think if we were terrorists...
0:11:33 > 0:11:36- ..what would they want us to do?
0:11:36 > 0:11:38- We need to do the exact opposite.
0:11:38 > 0:11:42- We need to hit them where it hurts, - which they won't expect.
0:11:42 > 0:11:44- Thank you.
0:11:44 > 0:11:48- It's a complex subject and I'm sure - the discussion will continue...
0:11:48 > 0:11:50- ..but that's it for now.
0:11:50 > 0:11:54- After the break, - we discuss S4C's fragile future.
0:11:55 > 0:11:58- Ian Jones, the channel's Chief - Executive, will answer complaints.
0:11:59 > 0:12:01- We'll also have the views - of these people.
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0:12:06 > 0:12:06- Subtitles
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0:12:09 > 0:12:10- Welcome back.
0:12:10 > 0:12:12- Next, we'll be discussing S4C.
0:12:13 > 0:12:16- There are big worries - about S4C's future at present.
0:12:16 > 0:12:18- There are financial cuts - on the horizon.
0:12:19 > 0:12:21- What is the channel's worth by now?
0:12:21 > 0:12:24- I asked young people's views - on our school tour...
0:12:24 > 0:12:26- ..before taking your views - to the boss...
0:12:27 > 0:12:29- ..the Chief Executive, Ian Jones.
0:12:31 > 0:12:33- Attracting young people - to television is tough.
0:12:34 > 0:12:36- It's a particular challenge - for S4C...
0:12:37 > 0:12:40- ..after speaking to people - on the Hacio'n Holi tour.
0:12:41 > 0:12:45- I don't watch it a lot - because it isn't relevant.
0:12:46 > 0:12:50- The reality TV programmes on S4C - like Fferm Ffactor...
0:12:50 > 0:12:52- ..who watches them?
0:12:53 > 0:12:54- Farmers. That's it.
0:12:54 > 0:12:57- Stuff that's made - specifically for us like Y Lle...
0:12:57 > 0:13:00- ..I don't think - it's totally relevant to us.
0:13:01 > 0:13:05- I don't think it's in touch - with young people.
0:13:06 > 0:13:08- It's a good thing on paper.
0:13:08 > 0:13:13- It doesn't work for all ages - particularly our age group.
0:13:17 > 0:13:19- Hello, how are you?
0:13:20 > 0:13:24- Ian Jones has been the channel's - Chief Executive since January 2012.
0:13:24 > 0:13:27- What does he have to say - about the situation?
0:13:28 > 0:13:31- We've been - speaking to young Welsh people...
0:13:32 > 0:13:35- ..at some of the best Welsh schools - in the country.
0:13:35 > 0:13:39- Most young people don't watch S4C. - What's going wrong?
0:13:39 > 0:13:42- If we go back in history - to when S4C was launched...
0:13:42 > 0:13:45- ..there were four - television channels.
0:13:45 > 0:13:47- There wasn't much choice.
0:13:47 > 0:13:51- These days, there are hundreds - of channels and platforms.
0:13:51 > 0:13:53- That isn't an excuse.
0:13:53 > 0:13:55- For a channel like S4C...
0:13:55 > 0:13:58- ..and for BBC One, - which is a general channel...
0:13:59 > 0:14:01- ..we have to provide something - for everyone.
0:14:01 > 0:14:05- That means young people - aren't going to watch all the time.
0:14:05 > 0:14:08- There is provision for young people.
0:14:08 > 0:14:12- I would also expect that - young people watch Pobol Y Cwm...
0:14:12 > 0:14:14- ..Rownd a Rownd, EastEnders.
0:14:15 > 0:14:18- From going to these schools, - there is huge potential.
0:14:18 > 0:14:21- Everyone is supportive in principal - but they don't watch.
0:14:22 > 0:14:25- We have to ensure we reach - those people in the first place...
0:14:26 > 0:14:30- ..through digital media, - Facebook and Twitter.
0:14:30 > 0:14:32- A year ago, - I commissioned a report...
0:14:33 > 0:14:35- ..on how we communicate - with our audience.
0:14:35 > 0:14:40- The report told us - we have to change our marketing.
0:14:41 > 0:14:44- This isn't new. - We knew that when you took the job.
0:14:44 > 0:14:46- The report is important.
0:14:47 > 0:14:50- The report tells us we need - a conversation with young people.
0:14:50 > 0:14:52- A two-way conversation.
0:14:54 > 0:14:57- I think they need - to get more hype around it.
0:14:57 > 0:14:59- A lot of people are familiar...
0:14:59 > 0:15:02- ..with programmes - like The Valleys and Geordie Shore.
0:15:02 > 0:15:05- Those programmes on MTV - target young people.
0:15:05 > 0:15:09- There's no reality TV on S4C - for people my age.
0:15:10 > 0:15:14- They should ask us what we want - instead of...
0:15:14 > 0:15:16- Maybe they do, I don't know.
0:15:17 > 0:15:19- Maybe they guess what we want.
0:15:19 > 0:15:21- It isn't working.
0:15:21 > 0:15:25- I think S4C needs more guts.
0:15:25 > 0:15:27- This might offend a lot of people.
0:15:27 > 0:15:29- Pobol Y Cwm for instance.
0:15:29 > 0:15:33- They should scrap it and make a - new soap opera that's more modern...
0:15:33 > 0:15:37- ..and covers topics - that's closer to young people.
0:15:40 > 0:15:43- We've been across Wales gathering - comments from young people.
0:15:43 > 0:15:45- I wanted to pass some of those on.
0:15:46 > 0:15:49- Esyllt from Bala - had the impression...
0:15:49 > 0:15:54- ..that S4C guessed what young people - wanted to watch and got it wrong.
0:15:54 > 0:15:57- How much - do you talk to young people?
0:15:57 > 0:16:00- At the moment, - we're holding public meetings...
0:16:00 > 0:16:03- ..where we get the opinions - of people of all ages...
0:16:04 > 0:16:05- ..including young people.
0:16:05 > 0:16:09- We have ambassadors, - something we set up a year ago...
0:16:10 > 0:16:12- ..in different schools.
0:16:12 > 0:16:15- There are now 18 across Wales.
0:16:15 > 0:16:19- That's so we can get input - and reaction from young people.
0:16:19 > 0:16:23- We'll be announcing - in the next few weeks...
0:16:23 > 0:16:26- ..that we're holding a conference...
0:16:26 > 0:16:29- ..after Christmas for young people.
0:16:29 > 0:16:35- We're inviting young people - to discuss our current provision.
0:16:35 > 0:16:39- What's missing? What more - should we be doing for young people?
0:16:39 > 0:16:44- We'll also be sharing the financial - restrictions and resources we have.
0:16:44 > 0:16:47- One suggestion we had - from Luke in Llanelli was to ask...
0:16:47 > 0:16:50- ..why S4C - don't have reality programmes...
0:16:50 > 0:16:54- ..like Geordie Shore - and The Valleys.
0:16:55 > 0:17:01- Research was done recently, - a lot of focus groups across Wales.
0:17:02 > 0:17:06- What's come out of that - is that we need more comedy.
0:17:06 > 0:17:08- We need more reality programmes...
0:17:08 > 0:17:11- ..and more entertainment - for young people.
0:17:11 > 0:17:16- We'll consider that when we plan - the provision for everyone.
0:17:16 > 0:17:21- This is a point from Seren in Bala. - She says S4C lacks guts in content.
0:17:21 > 0:17:23- Does S4C have a lack of guts?
0:17:23 > 0:17:25- Does S4C have a lack of guts?- - No, not at all. Not at all.
0:17:26 > 0:17:29- It's likely that financial cuts - are on the horizon.
0:17:29 > 0:17:31- Where will you be cutting provision?
0:17:31 > 0:17:33- Where will you be cutting provision?- - We've looked at a lot of scenarios.
0:17:33 > 0:17:35- We've set them out internally.
0:17:36 > 0:17:38- One thing is certain.
0:17:38 > 0:17:43- If there is another big cut, we'll - have to make very tough decisions.
0:17:43 > 0:17:47- What about young people's - programming? Will you cut those?
0:17:47 > 0:17:52- At present, - I can't say what we'll be cutting.
0:17:52 > 0:17:56- Not until I've seen - what our funding is for the future.
0:17:56 > 0:18:00- You can't guarantee young people's - programming will be protected.
0:18:00 > 0:18:03- I can't guarantee - that anything will be protected.
0:18:03 > 0:18:07- That's dependent on whether - cuts happen and what those cuts are.
0:18:08 > 0:18:10- Thank you, Ian Jones.
0:18:12 > 0:18:15- A few points were raised there - in terms of S4C's future.
0:18:15 > 0:18:19- The channel's image - and where the cuts will be.
0:18:20 > 0:18:23- How many of you here, - you young Welsh people...
0:18:23 > 0:18:24- ..watch S4C?
0:18:25 > 0:18:27- Raise your hands - if you do watch S4C.
0:18:27 > 0:18:30- Raise them high - so we can get an idea.
0:18:30 > 0:18:33- There's a good portion of you.
0:18:33 > 0:18:36- I can see two of you who don't.
0:18:36 > 0:18:40- Why don't you watch S4C? The only - Welsh language channel in the world.
0:18:41 > 0:18:42- You don't watch, Alex.
0:18:43 > 0:18:46- I don't watch at home - because my parents are English.
0:18:46 > 0:18:50- When I sit down to watch telly - with them, they watch English stuff.
0:18:51 > 0:18:52- They understand Welsh...
0:18:53 > 0:18:57- ..but they'd rather watch English - stuff they understand perfectly.
0:18:58 > 0:19:00- You didn't raise your hand. - You don't watch.
0:19:00 > 0:19:00- No.
0:19:00 > 0:19:01- No.- - Why?
0:19:02 > 0:19:05- The reason I don't watch it - is because...
0:19:05 > 0:19:09- ..there are programmes like Fferm - Ffactor which I don't like at all.
0:19:09 > 0:19:12- I think it stereotypes all of Wales.
0:19:12 > 0:19:17- Aren't you stereotyping S4C by - saying it only shows farming stuff?
0:19:17 > 0:19:21- Hacio is on S4C. We discuss - everything here including farming.
0:19:21 > 0:19:24- Do you think - you're stereotyping S4C?
0:19:24 > 0:19:28- No, I'm just saying that - about Fferm Ffactor.
0:19:28 > 0:19:32- There are other programmes - about farming on S4C.
0:19:32 > 0:19:36- That's what's turned me off - S4C completely.
0:19:36 > 0:19:38- No farming programmes on S4C then.
0:19:38 > 0:19:39- No farming programmes on S4C then.- - I hate them.
0:19:40 > 0:19:44- Let's come over here. You're - from Morgan Llwyd. You watch S4C.
0:19:44 > 0:19:44- No.
0:19:44 > 0:19:45- No.- - Not at all?
0:19:46 > 0:19:46- No.
0:19:46 > 0:19:47- No.- - Why not?
0:19:48 > 0:19:51- The biggest problem - is how they advertise.
0:19:51 > 0:19:54- I never see any adverts - for anything on S4C.
0:19:54 > 0:19:57- So, I'm not drawn - to watch anything on it.
0:19:57 > 0:20:01- I hadn't heard of Hacio - until you came to our school.
0:20:01 > 0:20:04- Thank heavens we came to the school!
0:20:04 > 0:20:08- Let's head over here. - It's nice to see hands up.
0:20:08 > 0:20:09- What do you have to say?
0:20:10 > 0:20:12- I just want to go back - to what Morgan said...
0:20:13 > 0:20:16- ..about S4C portraying Wales - as a nation of farmers.
0:20:16 > 0:20:20- Out of all of S4C's programmes, - there are three about farming.
0:20:20 > 0:20:23- Cefn Gwlad, Ffermio - and Fferm Ffactor.
0:20:23 > 0:20:25- Fferm Ffactor isn't on all year.
0:20:26 > 0:20:30- It's totally unfair - to say that S4C stereotypes.
0:20:31 > 0:20:32- Marketing was mentioned.
0:20:33 > 0:20:37- You are one of S4C's ambassadors. - Can you explain how that works?
0:20:37 > 0:20:41- I try to raise awareness of S4C - at school.
0:20:41 > 0:20:44- The number of viewers at my school - disappointed me.
0:20:45 > 0:20:47- There really weren't very many.
0:20:47 > 0:20:50- There are more people here - who watch it.
0:20:53 > 0:20:58- I'm trying to raise awareness - and to get more people to watch S4C.
0:20:58 > 0:21:04- I know that Ysgol Y Strade has been - a part of this ambassador project.
0:21:05 > 0:21:08- What effect has it had - on the number of viewers at Strade?
0:21:09 > 0:21:13- I think it's having a big effect, - particularly on social websites.
0:21:13 > 0:21:16- I'm an ambassador and I've been - tweeting a lot of stuff.
0:21:16 > 0:21:21- It's a shock to see - that people you wouldn't guess...
0:21:21 > 0:21:26- ..do retweet and favourite things, - which is nice to see.
0:21:26 > 0:21:28- I think there are programmes - for everyone.
0:21:29 > 0:21:33- I don't think there's consistency - in terms of good programmes.
0:21:33 > 0:21:37- You'll get one good drama, - like 35 Diwrnod.
0:21:37 > 0:21:40- The second series has just started.
0:21:40 > 0:21:43- But I don't think - there's consistency.
0:21:43 > 0:21:46- The standard needs to be kept - throughout the year.
0:21:47 > 0:21:49- Do you follow S4C - on Twitter and Facebook?
0:21:50 > 0:21:50- Yes.
0:21:50 > 0:21:51- Yes.- - He's done his work!
0:21:52 > 0:21:53- I think it has helped.
0:21:54 > 0:21:58- I think the problem is that people - don't give S4C enough of a chance.
0:21:58 > 0:22:02- Just like Fferm Ffactor, - people see that and think...
0:22:02 > 0:22:05- ..I don't enjoy this - so I won't enjoy any of it.
0:22:05 > 0:22:07- Not every programme suits everyone.
0:22:07 > 0:22:10- They target different people.
0:22:10 > 0:22:13- I think young people are a bit lazy.
0:22:13 > 0:22:16- They're not willing to go - and find out what suits them.
0:22:17 > 0:22:21- They just give up because they're - too lazy to find that information.
0:22:21 > 0:22:24- I can see there's a hand up here.
0:22:25 > 0:22:27- I've grown up watching S4C.
0:22:27 > 0:22:31- It's important to remember - that we've only got one channel.
0:22:31 > 0:22:34- It's not going to be - to everybody's taste.
0:22:34 > 0:22:38- People are busy. They complain there - are no programmes for young people.
0:22:38 > 0:22:43- Children don't come straight home - from school and watch television.
0:22:43 > 0:22:46- They have work to do - for their A Levels.
0:22:46 > 0:22:49- I'm not so sure that there is - that much of a problem...
0:22:49 > 0:22:52- ..with the provision - for young people.
0:22:52 > 0:22:56- If you enjoy watching dramas, - they're there for you.
0:22:56 > 0:23:00- Everyone's busy. - Do we need to think outside the box?
0:23:00 > 0:23:03- The word relevant - came up a lot in that clip.
0:23:04 > 0:23:07- How do you make S4C relevant - to young people in the 21st century?
0:23:08 > 0:23:09- A big question.
0:23:09 > 0:23:10- A big question.- - I'm not really sure.
0:23:10 > 0:23:14- Everyone seems to think of S4C - as a television programme.
0:23:14 > 0:23:16- The Internet is developing now.
0:23:16 > 0:23:19- Maybe they should do more stuff - over the Internet.
0:23:19 > 0:23:21- I know you can catch up on Clic.
0:23:22 > 0:23:25- Maybe something like a website...
0:23:25 > 0:23:29- ..to help with homework - like BBC Bitesize.
0:23:29 > 0:23:32- That might change - people's view of S4C...
0:23:32 > 0:23:37- ..instead of thinking of it - just as a television programme.
0:23:37 > 0:23:41- So go beyond the old description - of a Welsh TV channel...
0:23:41 > 0:23:43- ..and move it online too.
0:23:43 > 0:23:45- Would that work?
0:23:45 > 0:23:48- It could, but more importantly - than anything else...
0:23:48 > 0:23:51- ..S4C needs to push the boundaries - more.
0:23:53 > 0:23:55- Compared to other programmes...
0:23:55 > 0:23:59- ..programmes from England - and English programmes...
0:23:59 > 0:24:02- ..S4C tends to stay - within its comfort zone.
0:24:02 > 0:24:05- They're not ready enough - to push boundaries...
0:24:06 > 0:24:08- ..and put something risky out there.
0:24:08 > 0:24:11- They're frightened - of upsetting people.
0:24:11 > 0:24:14- Those are the kinds of programmes - that draw viewers in.
0:24:14 > 0:24:17- Something a little bit more risky.
0:24:17 > 0:24:19- Something more appealing - to teenagers.
0:24:20 > 0:24:22- There's a hand up here.
0:24:22 > 0:24:24- S4C should do more surveys...
0:24:25 > 0:24:28- ..to find out - what children our age want to see.
0:24:28 > 0:24:32- I don't know if any of you remember - it but I remember WawFfactor.
0:24:32 > 0:24:34- It was a Welsh X Factor. - I enjoyed it.
0:24:35 > 0:24:39- Maybe we need to bring back things - like that. There's talent here.
0:24:39 > 0:24:44- Should we be recreating something - that's already on English channels?
0:24:44 > 0:24:48- I don't agree with copying - programmes unless they're improved.
0:24:48 > 0:24:51- Gwaith/Cartref - was similar to Waterloo Road...
0:24:51 > 0:24:53- ..but a hundred times better.
0:24:53 > 0:24:56- We were shown it in a Welsh lesson - at school.
0:24:57 > 0:25:01- People who you wouldn't expect - to watch S4C watched Gwaith/Cartref.
0:25:01 > 0:25:04- It appealed to them.
0:25:04 > 0:25:09- With WawFfactor, it was like - Gwaith/Cartref, it was better.
0:25:09 > 0:25:11- They were showing real talent.
0:25:11 > 0:25:12- That's what we want to see.
0:25:12 > 0:25:15- That's what we want to see.- - Doesn't the Eisteddfod do that?
0:25:15 > 0:25:19- That's another discussion - altogether!
0:25:19 > 0:25:25- The Eisteddfod is something - that shows our traditions...
0:25:25 > 0:25:28- ..as opposed to our new talents.
0:25:29 > 0:25:32- Why isn't Battle of the Bands - shown on S4C?
0:25:32 > 0:25:35- I'd like to watch - something like that.
0:25:36 > 0:25:38- There's another hand up here.
0:25:38 > 0:25:40- Let's finish here.
0:25:40 > 0:25:45- I wouldn't watch WawFfactor because - I don't like things like X Factor.
0:25:45 > 0:25:47- What appeals to young people - like me...
0:25:48 > 0:25:51- ..are programmes like The Valleys - and Geordie Shore.
0:25:51 > 0:25:53- Stuff you can talk about at school.
0:25:54 > 0:25:58- Broadcasting things from Maes B - appeals to me.
0:25:59 > 0:26:01- A lot of people - agree with you there.
0:26:02 > 0:26:07- Something like that. It's quite - funny, it promotes Welshness.
0:26:08 > 0:26:12- I think that's a good idea - to bring something edgier...
0:26:12 > 0:26:16- ..and stuff that appeals more - to young people in Wales.
0:26:17 > 0:26:20- Plenty for us to chew over - on S4C's future.
0:26:20 > 0:26:24- After the break, we'll be discussing - the legalization of drugs.
0:26:24 > 0:26:28- We'll be asking if cannabis is - any worse than alcohol or tobacco.
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0:26:37 > 0:26:41- Welcome back to Hacio'n Holi - from the Senedd in Cardiff Bay.
0:26:41 > 0:26:44- The next discussion topic - is legalizing drugs.
0:26:44 > 0:26:48- The campaign to legalize cannabis - has gathered pace recently.
0:26:49 > 0:26:52- I asked for the opinions of - young people on the schools tour...
0:26:53 > 0:26:56- ..and in Pembrokeshire, - I found one young man in favour.
0:26:57 > 0:27:00- Hello, I'm Elliott Manwaring...
0:27:00 > 0:27:03- ..a 16-year-old pupil - at Ysgol y Preseli.
0:27:03 > 0:27:05- I want to go on - to study Medicine next year.
0:27:06 > 0:27:09- As such, I have - a great interest in drug laws...
0:27:09 > 0:27:11- ..and their effects - on people's lives.
0:27:12 > 0:27:16- In July, a student - at Aberystwyth University...
0:27:16 > 0:27:19- ..set up a petition - to call for the legalization...
0:27:19 > 0:27:22- ..of the production, - sale and use of cannabis.
0:27:22 > 0:27:26- By now, - over 228,000 have signed it...
0:27:31 > 0:27:33- ..and I understand why.
0:27:33 > 0:27:34- Think about it.
0:27:34 > 0:27:40- Legalizing cannabis would bring in - 900 million in tax every year.
0:27:40 > 0:27:44- It would also save over 400 million - in policing costs...
0:27:44 > 0:27:47- ..because users - wouldn't need to be stopped.
0:27:48 > 0:27:51- The cannabis industry - would also create over 10,000 jobs.
0:27:52 > 0:27:55- Hey presto, a big help - to Wales' unemployment situation.
0:27:57 > 0:28:02- There are numerous examples of - legalizing cannabis being a success.
0:28:02 > 0:28:06- Amsterdam, for example, has done - very well out of drugs tourism.
0:28:06 > 0:28:09- That would be a big help - to the British economy.
0:28:10 > 0:28:11- Just to make it clear...
0:28:12 > 0:28:15- ..I'm not a fan of weed, - pot, ganja or whatever.
0:28:15 > 0:28:17- But it is time people saw sense.
0:28:18 > 0:28:23- Legalizing and controlling sales - would make it safer for users...
0:28:23 > 0:28:26- ..compared with - the black market dealers...
0:28:26 > 0:28:28- ..who can mix anything into it.
0:28:29 > 0:28:34- Another thing that worries me - is the mixed message.
0:28:34 > 0:28:40- Taking things like cannabis, - cocaine and heroin is illegal...
0:28:40 > 0:28:46- ..but damaging habits like smoking - and drinking alcohol are legal.
0:28:47 > 0:28:51- Having said that, - can I have a pint...
0:28:51 > 0:28:53- ..of lemonade, please?
0:28:56 > 0:28:59- Some people will take drugs - whatever the legal position.
0:29:00 > 0:29:04- Isn't it better to change the system - and be mature about the problem...
0:29:04 > 0:29:08- ..and maybe, just maybe, - make the best of the situation?
0:29:09 > 0:29:10- I'm only asking.
0:29:14 > 0:29:17- The economic argument - from Elliott. Thank you.
0:29:17 > 0:29:21- Before we discuss - the pros and cons of legalization...
0:29:21 > 0:29:25- ..how common are cannabis - and other drugs among young people?
0:29:25 > 0:29:28- How common are they?
0:29:28 > 0:29:32- Quite common - among people our age, I'd say.
0:29:32 > 0:29:35- Are you aware of people your age - who use cannabis?
0:29:35 > 0:29:36- Yes.
0:29:36 > 0:29:37- Yes.- - And other drugs?
0:29:39 > 0:29:41- No, I'm not aware of people...
0:29:41 > 0:29:44- ..who take anything harder - than cannabis.
0:29:44 > 0:29:46- Cannabis is the main thing.
0:29:46 > 0:29:47- What about you?
0:29:47 > 0:29:51- Yes, I know of several people - who use cannabis.
0:29:52 > 0:29:53- Is it the same for you?
0:29:53 > 0:29:56- Yes, it's a big problem - in my area, Wrexham.
0:29:56 > 0:29:59- Do you think - there's a specific reason?
0:29:59 > 0:30:01- There's a lot of poverty there.
0:30:01 > 0:30:06- I think people are trying to make - money because they're unemployed.
0:30:06 > 0:30:08- It's a big problem in the area.
0:30:08 > 0:30:10- I think I'll take a vote.
0:30:10 > 0:30:11- Raise your hands.
0:30:12 > 0:30:16- How many of you - know people who have used cannabis?
0:30:16 > 0:30:21- Raise your hands if you know people - who have taken cannabis.
0:30:22 > 0:30:25- That's the vast majority of you.
0:30:26 > 0:30:27- It appears to be common.
0:30:28 > 0:30:32- If it is that common, - why not legalize it?
0:30:32 > 0:30:34- I don't think we should.
0:30:35 > 0:30:39- One thing will lead to another - and more drugs will be legalized.
0:30:39 > 0:30:40- It'll get worse.
0:30:41 > 0:30:42- That's not all.
0:30:42 > 0:30:47- I think there'll be a problem - with stronger drugs.
0:30:47 > 0:30:51- That'll be a bigger problem - than just taking cannabis.
0:30:51 > 0:30:53- It'll just get worse and worse.
0:30:53 > 0:30:58- It's a problem that isn't being - looked at properly by anyone.
0:30:58 > 0:31:00- The law is there to protect us...
0:31:00 > 0:31:03- ..and to prevent us - from destroying our lives.
0:31:04 > 0:31:07- If it stops doing that, - the law will itself kill people.
0:31:07 > 0:31:08- That's my opinion.
0:31:09 > 0:31:11- Morally, we shouldn't legalize.
0:31:11 > 0:31:12- Morally, we shouldn't legalize.- - No.
0:31:12 > 0:31:15- What about you? - Are you in favour of legalization?
0:31:16 > 0:31:18- Do you accept - Elliott's economic argument?
0:31:19 > 0:31:21- Or morally, - should we keep it illegal?
0:31:22 > 0:31:25- I really wasn't sure - about this subject.
0:31:25 > 0:31:29- I did some research - and I'd back legalizing cannabis.
0:31:29 > 0:31:33- I'm not sure about other drugs, - but cannabis, certainly.
0:31:33 > 0:31:38- Elliott has mentioned - the economic benefits.
0:31:38 > 0:31:42- There's also a medical argument - that can be put forward.
0:31:42 > 0:31:44- I looked at Colorado in the USA.
0:31:44 > 0:31:48- There, they raised 37 million - in tax revenue in a year.
0:31:48 > 0:31:53- That allowed 3,400 students to be - put through university for free.
0:31:53 > 0:31:58- Of course, economically, - that's a brilliant improvement.
0:31:58 > 0:32:01- Thanks for that. What do you think?
0:32:01 > 0:32:03- I don't think - we should legalize it.
0:32:03 > 0:32:07- In a way, you're telling people - that it's OK to take drugs.
0:32:07 > 0:32:09- That's the wrong message.
0:32:09 > 0:32:11- You're saying, yes, go for it...
0:32:11 > 0:32:15- ..rather than protecting people, - as the law should do.
0:32:15 > 0:32:17- I'm totally against - legalizing drugs.
0:32:18 > 0:32:19- It's completely wrong.
0:32:19 > 0:32:21- It's completely wrong.- - You're against it. What about you?
0:32:21 > 0:32:23- I'm in favour of legalizing drugs.
0:32:24 > 0:32:25- Why is that?
0:32:25 > 0:32:28- People have the free will - to make their own decisions.
0:32:29 > 0:32:32- Everyone has a responsibility - to make wise decisions.
0:32:33 > 0:32:37- I don't think the government - should rule people's lives.
0:32:38 > 0:32:39- What about you?
0:32:40 > 0:32:44- I don't think that legalizing drugs - is the answer to the problem.
0:32:44 > 0:32:48- The answer is more education - for young people...
0:32:48 > 0:32:50- ..and people of all ages.
0:32:50 > 0:32:54- Not about how to use them, but - about the health dangers they pose.
0:32:55 > 0:32:59- Better healthcare is also needed - for those who do take drugs.
0:32:59 > 0:33:01- Drug addiction is an illness.
0:33:01 > 0:33:03- We as a society must realize that.
0:33:03 > 0:33:07- If it is an illness, - why do we criminalize them?
0:33:07 > 0:33:09- I don't agree with that.
0:33:09 > 0:33:12- It is an offence, - but it's also a mental illness...
0:33:13 > 0:33:15- ..because they're addicted - to the drug.
0:33:15 > 0:33:19- I don't think imprisonment - is the right answer.
0:33:19 > 0:33:22- So, no fines and punishment, - but rather help.
0:33:22 > 0:33:25- Right, what do you think over here?
0:33:26 > 0:33:29- I think that people - who are going to take drugs...
0:33:30 > 0:33:34- ..will do so without worrying - whether it's legal or not.
0:33:34 > 0:33:36- Making drugs illegal...
0:33:37 > 0:33:40- ..simply gives money - to dangerous people...
0:33:40 > 0:33:45- ..who can get hold of firearms - and cause many more social problems.
0:33:45 > 0:33:49- So it's better to regulate it - than to have a black market?
0:33:49 > 0:33:51- I think it's a strong argument.
0:33:51 > 0:33:54- I think it's a strong argument.- - Elliott, your idea's well-supported.
0:33:54 > 0:33:57- Maybe not - to the same economic degree.
0:33:57 > 0:34:02- What about the argument that - it would condone using cannabis?
0:34:03 > 0:34:06- Wouldn't sanctioning its use - be dangerous?
0:34:06 > 0:34:09- People will take drugs - whatever the law says.
0:34:09 > 0:34:13- It doesn't really matter - if it's legal or illegal.
0:34:13 > 0:34:16- But if we do legalize it, - we can benefit from that...
0:34:16 > 0:34:19- ..and use the revenue raised - on refugees...
0:34:20 > 0:34:23- ..or on the NHS, - which has huge problems.
0:34:23 > 0:34:27- We can use the money - to help recruit doctors and so on.
0:34:27 > 0:34:30- Daniel, where do you stand on this?
0:34:30 > 0:34:31- Do you agree with Elliott?
0:34:31 > 0:34:34- Do you agree with Elliott?- - I'm a bit on the fence, really.
0:34:34 > 0:34:39- The laws are there to protect us - and people should take heed of them.
0:34:40 > 0:34:42- People do take notice of some laws.
0:34:42 > 0:34:45- Legalizing cannabis - could lead to worse things.
0:34:46 > 0:34:48- People could think that it's good...
0:34:49 > 0:34:51- ..and go on to try - something stronger.
0:34:51 > 0:34:55- That could lead to bigger problems - with heroin and cocaine.
0:34:56 > 0:34:58- We'll end the discussion - with a vote.
0:34:58 > 0:35:00- If you could have your say...
0:35:00 > 0:35:04- ..who would support the call - to legalize cannabis?
0:35:05 > 0:35:09- Raise your hands if you agree - with legalizing cannabis...
0:35:09 > 0:35:13- ..so that we can see - who agrees with Elliott.
0:35:13 > 0:35:15- This is going to be close.
0:35:15 > 0:35:17- Put your hands down.
0:35:17 > 0:35:20- Hands up those who disagree - with legalizing cannabis.
0:35:21 > 0:35:24- You've lost by a whisker, Elliott.
0:35:24 > 0:35:26- Thank you all.
0:35:26 > 0:35:29- Next, we go from drugs - to sex education.
0:35:29 > 0:35:31- Join us after the break.
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0:35:38 > 0:35:39- Welcome back.
0:35:40 > 0:35:42- Our next topic tonight - is sex education.
0:35:42 > 0:35:46- Is what is being taught - in the classroom appropriate?
0:35:46 > 0:35:50- It isn't, according to presenter - Lisa Angharad.
0:35:50 > 0:35:52- Here is her unique view - of the subject.
0:35:53 > 0:35:55- SEXUAL NOISES
0:36:04 > 0:36:09- Barbie and Ken sitting in the tree - k-i-s-s-i-n-g.
0:36:10 > 0:36:11- I'm sure you know the rest.
0:36:11 > 0:36:14- Love, relationships, sex and babies.
0:36:14 > 0:36:18- Everyone is happy to talk about it - in the playground...
0:36:18 > 0:36:21- ..but in the classroom, - things are totally different.
0:36:22 > 0:36:26- In recent weeks, I've been - travelling all over Wales...
0:36:26 > 0:36:30- ..with Hacio'n Holi - discussing current affairs...
0:36:30 > 0:36:32- ..with sixth form pupils.
0:36:32 > 0:36:35- One thing that made me angry - and disappointed...
0:36:35 > 0:36:38- ..was how poor - sex education provision is...
0:36:38 > 0:36:42- ..and how little it is valued - by our education system.
0:36:42 > 0:36:45- When I was in school - about ten years ago...
0:36:45 > 0:36:49- ..sex education lessons consisted - of putting a condom on a banana.
0:36:49 > 0:36:52- Handy! - And it's exactly the same today.
0:36:52 > 0:36:55- All they learn - is about STIs and pregnancy.
0:36:55 > 0:36:59- It creates the impression that - so long as you don't have sex...
0:36:59 > 0:37:01- ..you'll be fine.
0:37:01 > 0:37:04- It makes it out - to be something bad, taboo...
0:37:04 > 0:37:06- ..and really embarrassing!
0:37:06 > 0:37:10- Sex is so much more than that. - We all know that.
0:37:10 > 0:37:14- It's pain, it's pleasure, - it can be disappointing...
0:37:14 > 0:37:17- ..it's emotions, - being really horny, porn...
0:37:17 > 0:37:20- ..sexting, orgies, - Tinder and Grindr.
0:37:20 > 0:37:23- Why aren't we talking - about these things?
0:37:23 > 0:37:25- Why don't we talk about consent...
0:37:25 > 0:37:30- ..the effects of alcohol, - gay and multiracial relationships?
0:37:30 > 0:37:33- We should certainly be - talking about sexual equality.
0:37:34 > 0:37:36- Something has to be done. Quickly.
0:37:37 > 0:37:41- Despite all the information - available regarding condoms...
0:37:41 > 0:37:45- ..the percentage of young people - catching STIs is still too high.
0:37:45 > 0:37:47- And, despite - all the horror stories...
0:37:48 > 0:37:51- ..the percentage of teenage girls - having babies...
0:37:51 > 0:37:55- ..is a lot higher in Wales - than in countries such as Spain...
0:37:55 > 0:37:58- ..France, Ireland, Belgium - and the Netherlands.
0:37:58 > 0:37:59- Why is this?
0:38:02 > 0:38:06- So, why don't we look at how - they do things in the Netherlands?
0:38:06 > 0:38:09- We all know - they are more open there.
0:38:09 > 0:38:13- They start teaching children - about sex from the age of six.
0:38:14 > 0:38:18- No, Ken, they don't put condoms - on bananas.
0:38:18 > 0:38:22- They teach children - about friendship, about hugging...
0:38:22 > 0:38:25- ..and the difference - between boys and girls.
0:38:25 > 0:38:29- They also invite pregnant mothers - into the classroom...
0:38:30 > 0:38:33- ..to talk about the miracle - of conception.
0:38:33 > 0:38:34- Cute, isn't it? Cute!
0:38:40 > 0:38:43- So, what do we need to do?
0:38:44 > 0:38:47- We need to start discussing sex - much earlier in schools.
0:38:47 > 0:38:50- We should be discussing - every aspect of sex.
0:38:50 > 0:38:53- We need to reclaim words - that have become taboo.
0:38:53 > 0:38:57- What's the difference between the - word 'clitoris' and the word 'arm'?
0:38:58 > 0:38:59- There is no difference.
0:38:59 > 0:39:03- Teachers should not fear sex - or treat it as something dirty.
0:39:03 > 0:39:07- They should acknowledge - that it happens and it's natural.
0:39:07 > 0:39:09- All these things - should be enshrined in law.
0:39:10 > 0:39:12- They need to be - a part of the curriculum...
0:39:12 > 0:39:17- ..so that the content and standard - of sex education throughout Wales...
0:39:17 > 0:39:18- ..is consistent.
0:39:18 > 0:39:20- For the sake of man, and woman...
0:39:20 > 0:39:25- ..sex education in Wales - needs to be revolutionized - now.
0:39:25 > 0:39:27- Doesn't it?
0:39:27 > 0:39:29- Oh, I'm sorry, you were busy...
0:39:36 > 0:39:38- That's Lisa Angharad's opinion.
0:39:39 > 0:39:40- But what do you think?
0:39:41 > 0:39:44- It is interesting to see - the reaction to that video.
0:39:44 > 0:39:48- Too much, too little? Lisa thinks - there is too much of a taboo.
0:39:48 > 0:39:51- Do you agree? - Should some things be taboo?
0:39:51 > 0:39:54- I think the situation in schools - is quite poor.
0:39:54 > 0:39:58- They should start - teaching about sex much earlier.
0:39:58 > 0:40:02- At our school, we don't get - sex education lessons until Year 9.
0:40:02 > 0:40:04- We were too old by then.
0:40:04 > 0:40:07- We didn't concentrate - or listen properly...
0:40:07 > 0:40:12- ..to what we were being told - about diseases and their symptoms.
0:40:12 > 0:40:16- I think we should start - when children are younger...
0:40:16 > 0:40:19- ..and do it consistently - to keep the momentum going...
0:40:20 > 0:40:21- ..and to raise awareness.
0:40:21 > 0:40:23- How young is younger?
0:40:23 > 0:40:26- They start at six in the - Netherlands. Is that too young?
0:40:27 > 0:40:29- I think perhaps - that is a bit too young.
0:40:29 > 0:40:32- They should be enjoying life at six.
0:40:32 > 0:40:36- Teaching about sex - should begin in Year 6.
0:40:36 > 0:40:39- Lessons should take place - every year after that.
0:40:40 > 0:40:46- One session at secondary school is - not enough, from my point of view.
0:40:46 > 0:40:50- They should start younger - and take place more often.
0:40:50 > 0:40:53- It was interesting - to see your reaction to that.
0:40:53 > 0:40:56- Lisa was trying to break down - the taboos.
0:40:56 > 0:41:00- Are there reasons - why these things are taboo?
0:41:00 > 0:41:06- Yes, because we try - to protect young children.
0:41:06 > 0:41:09- But we do need - to break some taboos...
0:41:10 > 0:41:13- ..to stop people - seeing sex as dirty.
0:41:13 > 0:41:16- It is part of life. - It's why we're here.
0:41:18 > 0:41:22- So, would you welcome an open - discussion with Lisa about sex?
0:41:22 > 0:41:24- Perhaps not in 2015.
0:41:24 > 0:41:28- It's still a big taboo, - especially in this country.
0:41:29 > 0:41:33- We only ever had one - sex education lesson in school.
0:41:33 > 0:41:36- That was in Year 9. - Everyone treated it as a joke.
0:41:36 > 0:41:38- What did you do in that lesson?
0:41:38 > 0:41:43- It was like Lisa said in the video, - how to put a condom on a banana.
0:41:43 > 0:41:46- But it's not the school's fault - that we only had one lesson.
0:41:46 > 0:41:49- The fault lies - with the National Curriculum.
0:41:50 > 0:41:54- We need consistent, - good quality sex education lessons.
0:41:54 > 0:41:58- We don't need to sit a GCSE, we just - need to discuss modern issues.
0:41:58 > 0:42:03- We need modern, social lessons - where children can learn.
0:42:03 > 0:42:07- Not as young as six. Children - don't have sex at the age of six.
0:42:07 > 0:42:09- Year 6 is young enough.
0:42:09 > 0:42:10- Year 6 is young enough.- - Thank you.
0:42:11 > 0:42:14- I can see some raised hands here.
0:42:15 > 0:42:17- I disagree that six is too young.
0:42:17 > 0:42:20- I think it's a good way - of identifying...
0:42:20 > 0:42:24- ..whether a child - has been sexually abused at home.
0:42:24 > 0:42:30- Without going into detail, - it might help teachers in that way.
0:42:31 > 0:42:34- That could be why they teach them - about sex so young...
0:42:34 > 0:42:40- ..so that they can explain to their - teacher what is happening to them.
0:42:40 > 0:42:45- So it might be good for children - to be taught about sex so young.
0:42:45 > 0:42:46- You had your hand up.
0:42:47 > 0:42:50- A point was made about consent.
0:42:51 > 0:42:54- The issue of consent - was raised in the video too.
0:42:54 > 0:42:57- That is a huge problem - that is rarely acknowledged.
0:42:58 > 0:43:01- I watched a programme on BBC Three - called Sex On Trial.
0:43:01 > 0:43:05- It scared me to realize - that so many people...
0:43:05 > 0:43:09- ..didn't recognize when a rape was - happening in front of their eyes.
0:43:10 > 0:43:13- They showed a video - that to me was obviously rape...
0:43:13 > 0:43:16- ..but a lot of people - didn't recognize it as such.
0:43:19 > 0:43:23- People didn't seem to understand - what constituted rape.
0:43:23 > 0:43:24- That's terrible.
0:43:25 > 0:43:28- Should teaching about rape - be included...
0:43:28 > 0:43:32- ..in lessons for both boys and girls - or should boys be targeted?
0:43:32 > 0:43:35- We should not differentiate - between boys and girls.
0:43:36 > 0:43:40- Victims and perpetrators - can be male or female.
0:43:41 > 0:43:42- Let's go over to this side.
0:43:43 > 0:43:44- Hands are going up.
0:43:44 > 0:43:47- What do you have to say about this?
0:43:47 > 0:43:49- I don't think six years old - is too young.
0:43:50 > 0:43:54- My sister's just started having - life lessons and she's in Year 6.
0:43:54 > 0:43:59- I asked her - about what she'd been learning...
0:44:00 > 0:44:02- ..and she refused to tell me.
0:44:02 > 0:44:04- If they'd done it earlier...
0:44:04 > 0:44:07- ..she'd have been more open - and able to talk about it.
0:44:08 > 0:44:11- I'm a little different - from you perhaps.
0:44:11 > 0:44:14- You've only had one lesson - in Year 9.
0:44:15 > 0:44:18- I've had sex education lessons - every year since Year 5.
0:44:19 > 0:44:23- It wasn't too early. I needed to - know about such things at that time.
0:44:23 > 0:44:27- It wasn't just about sex, - it was about periods too.
0:44:27 > 0:44:30- I was just wondering why - the Welsh Baccalaureate...
0:44:31 > 0:44:35- ..isn't giving us more information - about sex?
0:44:35 > 0:44:38- Could that be restructured...
0:44:38 > 0:44:41- ..so that sex education - is more of a priority?
0:44:41 > 0:44:43- Another hand here.
0:44:43 > 0:44:47- I think the consent part - of sex education...
0:44:48 > 0:44:50- ..is a waste of time.
0:44:50 > 0:44:52- If I asked someone for sex...
0:44:53 > 0:44:56- ..and they said 'no' - then common sense dictates...
0:44:56 > 0:44:58- But do these conversations - take place?
0:44:59 > 0:45:01- Sex On Trial - was an interesting programme.
0:45:01 > 0:45:03- It seems - it is not as clear as that.
0:45:04 > 0:45:06- People don't know what is OK.
0:45:06 > 0:45:09- What if someone didn't answer. - What then?
0:45:09 > 0:45:13- I think I'd just leave it.
0:45:13 > 0:45:17- Do you think we're making - too much of this subject...
0:45:17 > 0:45:21- ..and we don't really need - so many lessons about it?
0:45:21 > 0:45:25- I don't think it should interfere - with school lessons.
0:45:25 > 0:45:29- It's much more important - to get good grades such as A*...
0:45:29 > 0:45:33- ..which contribute - so much more to your CV...
0:45:33 > 0:45:36- ..than learning about sex.
0:45:36 > 0:45:39- That's an interesting viewpoint.
0:45:40 > 0:45:42- A hand has been up for a while here.
0:45:42 > 0:45:47- I'd like to come back to the point - about consent that was made there.
0:45:47 > 0:45:50- I'm sorry, - but I completely disagree with you.
0:45:50 > 0:45:53- If you watch the programme - Sex On Trial...
0:45:53 > 0:45:57- ..it shows exactly how ignorant - people are about what is consent.
0:45:58 > 0:46:01- It's obvious that many people - are really confused about it.
0:46:01 > 0:46:05- You're talking - about putting things on your CV...
0:46:05 > 0:46:10- ..but if I were the victim - of a crime...
0:46:10 > 0:46:13- ..it would affect me - for the rest of my life.
0:46:13 > 0:46:16- It won't matter what's on my CV, - if I have A*s or Ds and Es.
0:46:17 > 0:46:21- If I've been assaulted, - it will be with me forever.
0:46:21 > 0:46:23- If I have a baby because of it...
0:46:23 > 0:46:26- ..I won't be able - to do anything about it.
0:46:26 > 0:46:29- Whatever my GCSE - or A Level subjects are...
0:46:29 > 0:46:31- ..I can always do them again - if I have to.
0:46:32 > 0:46:38- Some things cannot be so easily - remedied, so I totally disagree.
0:46:38 > 0:46:42- A very important part - of the curriculum then.
0:46:42 > 0:46:43- Isabel.
0:46:43 > 0:46:48- That is an excellent example of - why we should be discussing consent.
0:46:49 > 0:46:51- It's not about a simple yes or no.
0:46:52 > 0:46:58- You could be under the influence - of alcohol or drugs.
0:46:58 > 0:47:00- It's not a simple yes or no.
0:47:00 > 0:47:03- An assault will stay with you - for the rest of your life.
0:47:03 > 0:47:05- I can see one hand up here.
0:47:06 > 0:47:10- I think we'll close the discussion - with you, Morgan.
0:47:11 > 0:47:12- What were you going to say?
0:47:12 > 0:47:18- I don't agree with the idea - that just one teacher...
0:47:19 > 0:47:23- ..should teach sex education - to the whole school.
0:47:24 > 0:47:26- It should be opened up to many more.
0:47:26 > 0:47:30- Other subjects should be involved, - such as Childcare...
0:47:30 > 0:47:33- ..Health and Social Care - and Biology.
0:47:33 > 0:47:38- Sex and relationships education - is relevant across the curriculum...
0:47:38 > 0:47:40- ..not confined - to sex education lessons.
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