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0:00:15 > 0:00:16- Welcome to Hacio.
0:00:16 > 0:00:17- On the show tonight...
0:00:18 > 0:00:21- ..with migrants fleeing to Europe...
0:00:22 > 0:00:25- ..I've met two refugees - who have settled in Cardiff.
0:00:26 > 0:00:29- Living in Eritrea was terrible.
0:00:30 > 0:00:36- I was a soldier and they tried - to imprison me when I deserted.
0:00:37 > 0:00:39- Have our opinions - on Muslims changed...
0:00:39 > 0:00:42- ..since - the Islamist attacks on Paris?
0:00:43 > 0:00:48- Everyone sees me - as chatty, fun-loving Reem.
0:00:48 > 0:00:52- I'm a person first and foremost - to my friends, not a Muslim.
0:00:53 > 0:00:56- Catrin discusses - the Syrian bombing raids.
0:00:57 > 0:00:59- There's no peace plan in place.
0:00:59 > 0:01:02- We're just seeding - more trouble for the future.
0:01:03 > 0:01:04- We start with UKIP.
0:01:04 > 0:01:06- In the May General Election...
0:01:06 > 0:01:10- ..they increased their share - of the vote in Wales by 11%.
0:01:10 > 0:01:12- The upcoming Assembly election...
0:01:12 > 0:01:16- ..is likely to win them - their first seat in Cardiff Bay.
0:01:16 > 0:01:20- Catrin has shadowed two young UKIP - activists over a couple of months.
0:01:25 > 0:01:28- UKIP or the UK Independence Party.
0:01:30 > 0:01:34- For better or worse, they are - never far from the headlines.
0:01:38 > 0:01:42- They have faced various allegations - from racism to homophobia.
0:01:42 > 0:01:47- Despite that, their popularity has - grown massively in recent years.
0:01:47 > 0:01:52- They won nearly four million votes - in the recent General Election.
0:01:52 > 0:01:56- They could win as many as nine seats - in next year's Assembly elections.
0:01:57 > 0:02:00- A Welsh manifesto - is already on the drawing board...
0:02:00 > 0:02:02- ..covering all kinds of issues.
0:02:03 > 0:02:08- But their main message remains - to get the UK out of the EU.
0:02:10 > 0:02:14- Why is this party attracting - more and more Welsh people?
0:02:14 > 0:02:16- Over the last couple of weeks...
0:02:16 > 0:02:19- ..I've been shadowing two - young UKIP members to find out.
0:02:23 > 0:02:26- The first - is Mark Norton from Llanelli.
0:02:26 > 0:02:30- He joined UKIP because he wants - Britain out of the European Union.
0:02:32 > 0:02:36- I have a scarf - with the UKIP colours.
0:02:38 > 0:02:42- He's 19 and studies International - Politics at Aberystwyth.
0:02:43 > 0:02:47- He may live in Wales - but he sees himself as British.
0:02:50 > 0:02:53- Do you discuss politics - in Pantycelyn?
0:02:53 > 0:02:55- Yes, sometimes.
0:02:56 > 0:02:58- What reaction do you get?
0:02:59 > 0:03:02- They don't know - how to react to someone like me...
0:03:02 > 0:03:05- ..being a member of that party.
0:03:05 > 0:03:10- Sometimes it's name calling. - "Why do you hate black people?"
0:03:11 > 0:03:16- They swear and accuse me - of not being a proper Welshman.
0:03:18 > 0:03:22- He's chairman of Youth Independence - for Mid and West Wales...
0:03:23 > 0:03:25- ..a branch of young Ukippers.
0:03:26 > 0:03:29- Is there a chance - in twenty years' time...
0:03:30 > 0:03:31- ..you'll look back...
0:03:31 > 0:03:35- ..and think, - "What was I doing with that party?"
0:03:36 > 0:03:40- No! They share my beliefs. - That's why I joined them.
0:03:42 > 0:03:44- Down the road in Cardiff...
0:03:44 > 0:03:48- ..UKIP has a stand in the Students - Union fair at the university.
0:03:49 > 0:03:53- Another Welsh speaker will be there. - I'm going to meet him.
0:03:56 > 0:03:59- Llyr Powell is 20 - and comes from Neath.
0:04:00 > 0:04:03- He's been an UKIP member - since the start of 2014.
0:04:03 > 0:04:07- Next year, he'll stand as an UKIP - candidate in the Assembly elections.
0:04:09 > 0:04:12- UKIP is my party. - It's what I say and what I mean.
0:04:13 > 0:04:15- I'm so happy now.
0:04:17 > 0:04:23- They're here to discuss the Welsh - manifesto and attract new members.
0:04:24 > 0:04:27- Our message is that we're here.
0:04:27 > 0:04:31- We're here in Wales - and we're not going away.
0:04:32 > 0:04:35- He accepts the party - does not appeal to all.
0:04:36 > 0:04:40- It wasn't long before someone called - by contesting the UKIP claim...
0:04:41 > 0:04:44- ..that immigration - damages the British economy.
0:04:44 > 0:04:49- You make scapegoats of these people - when the damage is done by banks.
0:04:49 > 0:04:54- You can't deny it because - banging on about immigration...
0:04:54 > 0:04:56- ..is the whole appeal of UKIP.
0:04:57 > 0:04:59- It's racist.
0:05:01 > 0:05:04- Llyr denies - that he or his party are racist.
0:05:05 > 0:05:09- He sees this as a lack - of understanding of their policies.
0:05:09 > 0:05:13- I'm not saying close the borders - and build ten foot walls.
0:05:13 > 0:05:17- UKIP isn't saying that either. - People need to know that.
0:05:20 > 0:05:22- A couple of weeks later, - I was back on the road.
0:05:23 > 0:05:28- Mark was excited because Nigel - Farage was at The Liberty Stadium.
0:05:29 > 0:05:33- He was there to support the British - drive to leave the European Union.
0:05:34 > 0:05:38- Llyr was already there helping set - things up working for UKIP Cymru.
0:05:39 > 0:05:40- Hi, Mark, alright?
0:05:40 > 0:05:42- Hi, Mark, alright?- - I'm well, thanks.
0:05:42 > 0:05:43- I like your coat.
0:05:45 > 0:05:49- Before Farage made his speech, - there was a chance for Mark...
0:05:50 > 0:05:54- ..to suggest a question for - his leader to answer afterwards.
0:05:54 > 0:05:59- My question is whether - it should be compulsory...
0:06:00 > 0:06:04- ..for candidates of - the Welsh Assembly to learn Welsh?
0:06:05 > 0:06:06- Do you think that?
0:06:06 > 0:06:07- Do you think that?- - Yes, I do.
0:06:07 > 0:06:12- And off he and Llyr went - to listen to Farage.
0:06:12 > 0:06:15- That means - free open access to Britain...
0:06:15 > 0:06:18- ..our health service - and our education system.
0:06:20 > 0:06:23- Mark seemed to enjoy the speech.
0:06:24 > 0:06:30- Unfortunately, they didn't - ask his question about Welsh.
0:06:35 > 0:06:40- Once again, not everyone was happy - with Mr Farage's presence in town.
0:06:40 > 0:06:45- The UKIP policy on immigration - was the main objection again.
0:06:46 > 0:06:49- The culture of Wales - built by immigrants.
0:06:49 > 0:06:52- If this was an anti-immigrant party - I would agree.
0:06:52 > 0:06:55- It's just a limited immigrant party.
0:06:55 > 0:06:56- I admire your effort.
0:07:02 > 0:07:04- Oldham in north west England.
0:07:04 > 0:07:08- Last week, I met up with Llyr, - who was part of UKIP's campaign...
0:07:08 > 0:07:12- ..for the Oldham West and Royton - by-election.
0:07:12 > 0:07:18- Rumours abounded of an UKIP shock in - a seat held by Labour for 50 years.
0:07:19 > 0:07:23- We're out here talking to people.
0:07:23 > 0:07:28- The attacks in Paris - took place during this campaign.
0:07:30 > 0:07:34- Llyr felt that signalled a need - for more scrutiny of immigrants.
0:07:35 > 0:07:41- We need to know who's coming. We - need to check for criminal records.
0:07:41 > 0:07:44- The security forces knew them - but couldn't act.
0:07:47 > 0:07:51- As the polling stations closed, - I caught up with Llyr in a pub.
0:07:51 > 0:07:55- The Railway, Royton, was a second - home for UKIP during the campaign.
0:07:56 > 0:08:01- After giving up his job at a leisure - centre to work full time for UKIP...
0:08:02 > 0:08:04- ..Llyr - is a rising star in the party.
0:08:05 > 0:08:09- I come up to Oldham and Nigel - walks in and pats me on the back.
0:08:09 > 0:08:12- Him speaking to me is surreal.
0:08:13 > 0:08:16- Although he's still only 20, - Llyr says he's given up...
0:08:16 > 0:08:20- ..a lot of his time and money - to UKIP since joining.
0:08:21 > 0:08:24- He says it's all worth it.
0:08:25 > 0:08:28- UKIP has this cheesy slogan - - Believe in Britain.
0:08:29 > 0:08:32- It is cheesy and you wonder - if it's just a catchphrase.
0:08:32 > 0:08:33- But it sums us up.
0:08:34 > 0:08:37- Then it was time - for the polling booths to close.
0:08:38 > 0:08:43- It wasn't long before the Ukippers - realized things weren't that good.
0:08:43 > 0:08:48- Just after 1.00am, it was announced - that Labour had held the seat...
0:08:48 > 0:08:51- ..with a majority - of almost 11,000 votes.
0:08:54 > 0:08:58- We were hoping for a higher turnout.
0:08:58 > 0:09:00- The Ukippers haven't come out.
0:09:02 > 0:09:05- Perhaps the weather - wasn't on our side.
0:09:07 > 0:09:11- The disappointment was clear - on the young Ukipper's face.
0:09:12 > 0:09:17- But with Llyr standing in the - Assembly elections in five months...
0:09:18 > 0:09:21- ..the setback in Oldham - wasn't going to hold him back.
0:09:22 > 0:09:24- I need better shoes, firstly.
0:09:26 > 0:09:29- The blisters - are like war wounds. I like them.
0:09:30 > 0:09:34- I know what I agree with.
0:09:34 > 0:09:37- We need something different - and someone has to step up.
0:09:38 > 0:09:39- If no-one else will, I will.
0:09:40 > 0:09:42- Join us after the break...
0:09:43 > 0:09:48- ..to see if the attacks in Paris has - changed our attitude to refugees.
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0:09:56 > 0:09:57- Welcome back.
0:09:57 > 0:10:01- As the UK starts to bomb - the Islamic State in Syria...
0:10:01 > 0:10:05- ..many predict an increase - in refugees fleeing to Europe.
0:10:05 > 0:10:10- I've been to meet two young refugees - who've made a home in Cardiff.
0:10:17 > 0:10:20- Over the summer, these are the - images that dominated headlines.
0:10:21 > 0:10:24- Hundreds of thousands of refugees - fleeing to Europe.
0:10:25 > 0:10:29- Most refugees coming to the UK - go to London first.
0:10:30 > 0:10:33- I've come here to meet Ffion Evans.
0:10:33 > 0:10:37- She works for the Migrant - and Refugee Communities Forum.
0:10:37 > 0:10:40- Hi, how are you?
0:10:40 > 0:10:46- The charity supports communities, - refugees and migrants across London.
0:10:49 > 0:10:51- I think it's important - to remember...
0:10:51 > 0:10:55- ..that they don't come here - because they want to.
0:10:55 > 0:10:59- They come here because their country - is at war and is in crisis.
0:11:00 > 0:11:03- I don't think they're expecting - the promised land...
0:11:04 > 0:11:06- ..in the way we talk about it.
0:11:06 > 0:11:09- They're coming - because they want to be safe.
0:11:11 > 0:11:15- She feels that the press's attitude - to refugees is narrow.
0:11:15 > 0:11:18- She feels that what's in the papers - and on the news...
0:11:19 > 0:11:21- ..has made us forget - that refugees are people.
0:11:22 > 0:11:25- Working with young people - in particular...
0:11:26 > 0:11:29- ..makes you realize that labelling - can lead to dehumanization.
0:11:30 > 0:11:33- It's important to remember - that we're all people.
0:11:34 > 0:11:38- It's so important to humanize - refugees all the time.
0:11:44 > 0:11:46- After reaching London...
0:11:46 > 0:11:50- ..those granted asylum are sent - to different parts of the UK.
0:11:50 > 0:11:55- Over the last year, the number of - refugees in Wales has risen by 20%.
0:11:56 > 0:11:57- It's now over 2,000 people.
0:11:58 > 0:12:00- Almost half of them - live here in Cardiff.
0:12:01 > 0:12:04- The Oasis centre in the capital - offers help to refugees...
0:12:05 > 0:12:08- ..and assists in integrating them - into the community.
0:12:09 > 0:12:11- Bahlibi has been in Cardiff - for seven months.
0:12:12 > 0:12:13- He fled eastern Africa.
0:12:14 > 0:12:17- Living in Eritrea was terrible.
0:12:18 > 0:12:24- I was a soldier and they tried - to imprison me when I deserted.
0:12:25 > 0:12:31- When I found out my mother was in - prison, I decided I had to leave.
0:12:32 > 0:12:34- 4,000 flee from Eritrea - every month...
0:12:35 > 0:12:38- ..frequently because - military service is mandatory.
0:12:38 > 0:12:41- It took Bahlibi - a year to reach Europe.
0:12:42 > 0:12:45- The journey - was difficult and dangerous.
0:12:45 > 0:12:47- Many people died.
0:12:48 > 0:12:54- Many were killed and others - were jailed for five to six months.
0:12:55 > 0:12:59- Bahlibi shares a home - with other asylum seekers.
0:12:59 > 0:13:03- He hopes to win the right - to remain here.
0:13:04 > 0:13:10- Life here is safe.
0:13:10 > 0:13:16- In the future, I'm hoping to finish - my education and get a degree.
0:13:17 > 0:13:24- I hope for a bright future and - a chance to contribute to society.
0:13:24 > 0:13:29- I met Mohammed, who is originally - from Afghanistan, at the centre.
0:13:29 > 0:13:32- He came here - at 18 years old in 2009...
0:13:32 > 0:13:36- ..after his father was killed - for converting to Christianity.
0:13:36 > 0:13:40- Oasis is a good place, - it's helped me a lot.
0:13:41 > 0:13:46- When I got here, I had no clothes - and nothing to eat.
0:13:47 > 0:13:53- They help with the language - and give all kinds of support.
0:13:53 > 0:13:59- He now lives in Grangetown and works - as a builder around Cardiff.
0:13:59 > 0:14:03- He currently has no intention - of returning to Afghanistan.
0:14:03 > 0:14:07- I think I belong to a country - that gives me food and safety.
0:14:07 > 0:14:10- It doesn't matter - where that country is.
0:14:10 > 0:14:14- If I'm safe and thriving somewhere, - I feel I belong to that country.
0:14:14 > 0:14:19- As there is no security at all - in Afghanistan...
0:14:19 > 0:14:21- ..life there is very hard.
0:14:24 > 0:14:28- Since the terrorist attacks - on Paris...
0:14:28 > 0:14:32- ..attitudes to Syrian refugees - has hardened.
0:14:34 > 0:14:36- According to a survey - by YouGov last week...
0:14:37 > 0:14:40- ..the number against - welcoming refugees to the UK...
0:14:40 > 0:14:41- ..has gone up by 12%.
0:14:45 > 0:14:49- Mohammed, - who's been here for five years...
0:14:49 > 0:14:52- ..can see why it's changed - some people's attitudes.
0:14:54 > 0:14:55- I'm frightened.
0:14:55 > 0:15:01- Anyone would be frightened - when genuine asylum seekers...
0:15:01 > 0:15:06- ..are confused with members of ISIS.
0:15:07 > 0:15:11- For instance, - amongst the refugees from Syria...
0:15:11 > 0:15:14- ..anyone could be linked - to Daesh, ISIS.
0:15:16 > 0:15:21- Aberystwyth welcomes its first group - of refugees from Syria this week.
0:15:22 > 0:15:26- The UK has pledged to give asylum - for 20,000.
0:15:26 > 0:15:29- How welcome are they in Ceredigion?
0:15:30 > 0:15:31- People have to live somewhere.
0:15:32 > 0:15:34- They can't stay where they are.
0:15:34 > 0:15:37- Yes and no. People in this country - need help too.
0:15:38 > 0:15:41- In my opinion, - we should look at them first.
0:15:41 > 0:15:44- It's nice to help people - across the world.
0:15:45 > 0:15:47- We all live on the same planet.
0:15:47 > 0:15:50- I think it's great - for them to come here.
0:15:51 > 0:15:52- It's a difficult situation.
0:15:53 > 0:15:57- There's a war going on - and they want to escape it.
0:15:57 > 0:16:03- But as Lisa said, we need to look - after our own country first.
0:16:03 > 0:16:06- It's a very hard situation.
0:16:10 > 0:16:14- But, while thousands - try to break into Britain...
0:16:15 > 0:16:20- ..Ffion says - we've a duty to welcome them.
0:16:20 > 0:16:24- We can't stop people from coming - because they are coming.
0:16:24 > 0:16:26- This is a part of our world now.
0:16:26 > 0:16:32- It's more about finding a way - of how we could make the most of it.
0:16:32 > 0:16:35- How we can support them - to make a contribution.
0:16:36 > 0:16:39- It is happening - and denying it is pointless.
0:16:45 > 0:16:48- Following - the recent terrorist attacks...
0:16:48 > 0:16:50- ..carried out - in the name of Islam...
0:16:50 > 0:16:54- ..Sion found out what it's like - to be a young Muslim in Wales.
0:16:57 > 0:17:00- Penglais School.
0:17:00 > 0:17:03- Reem Sallami is in Year 9.
0:17:03 > 0:17:07- She was born in Yemen in the - south west of the Arabian peninsula.
0:17:08 > 0:17:12- She moved to Wales with her family - at the age of three.
0:17:12 > 0:17:14- My mum and dad come from Yemen.
0:17:14 > 0:17:16- They are Muslims.
0:17:16 > 0:17:19- I've been raised as a Muslim.
0:17:21 > 0:17:25- Despite her first language - being Arabic, she's learned Welsh.
0:17:25 > 0:17:28- What's it like - to be a Muslim in Wales?
0:17:28 > 0:17:31- It's totally normal and natural - for me and my family.
0:17:32 > 0:17:35- There are plenty of Muslims - in Aberystwyth...
0:17:35 > 0:17:37- ..and plenty of other religions.
0:17:38 > 0:17:42- Everyone lives together happily - and respects each other.
0:17:44 > 0:17:48- As a migrant herself, Reem welcomes - Ceredigion Council's decision...
0:17:49 > 0:17:52- ..to give refugees - a home in the area.
0:17:53 > 0:17:55- It's important - to help other people...
0:17:56 > 0:17:58- ..particularly people - who are in need.
0:17:59 > 0:18:03- We should all treat other people - the way we'd want to be treated.
0:18:03 > 0:18:06- That's the golden rule - of every religion.
0:18:07 > 0:18:10- Following the recent terrorist - attacks in Paris and beyond...
0:18:11 > 0:18:17- ..made in the name of Islam, - have attitudes towards her changed?
0:18:17 > 0:18:23- Some people have asked me - for my views on what happened.
0:18:23 > 0:18:26- Nobody has been blaming me.
0:18:27 > 0:18:31- Everyone sees me - as chatty, fun-loving Reem.
0:18:31 > 0:18:35- I'm a person first and foremost - to my friends, not a Muslim.
0:18:36 > 0:18:39- Reem is saddened - by the terrorist attacks.
0:18:39 > 0:18:42- She emphasizes that peace - is central to Islam.
0:18:43 > 0:18:47- There is a difference - between a Muslim and a terrorist.
0:18:47 > 0:18:49- Not every Muslim is a threat.
0:18:49 > 0:18:52- Not every Muslim - believes in violence.
0:18:53 > 0:18:56- Do you feel sad that your religion - is being connected to it?
0:18:57 > 0:18:59- Yes. I feel very sad.
0:18:59 > 0:19:02- I'm sure all good Christians...
0:19:02 > 0:19:07- ..are sad that Syria - is being bombed at present.
0:19:09 > 0:19:14- Last week, MPs debated - for and against bombing Syria.
0:19:15 > 0:19:18- That's the topic of discussion - for Catrin.
0:19:22 > 0:19:25- On Wednesday night, - straight after the vote...
0:19:26 > 0:19:28- ..Britain started - their bombing raids in Syria.
0:19:29 > 0:19:34- The intention was to take on IS - or Daesh in their strongholds.
0:19:35 > 0:19:37- The decision divided opinion.
0:19:38 > 0:19:42- A majority of Welsh MPs - voted against - 24 of them.
0:19:43 > 0:19:45- It was the unanimous stance - of Plaid Cymru.
0:19:46 > 0:19:51- I spoke to one of their MPs - who counted the votes on the night.
0:19:51 > 0:19:54- Liz Saville Roberts.
0:19:54 > 0:19:57- After everything IS has done, - why did you vote against...
0:19:58 > 0:20:02- ..intervening directly - in Syria last week?
0:20:03 > 0:20:05- There are two elements.
0:20:05 > 0:20:08- One - is the safety of British citizens.
0:20:08 > 0:20:14- To do that, we must dismantle - the ideology of hatred.
0:20:14 > 0:20:19- Bombing raids are not going - to dismantle that ideology.
0:20:20 > 0:20:22- If anything, - it sprays petrol on the fire.
0:20:23 > 0:20:27- IS has killed thousands including - more than a hundred in Paris.
0:20:27 > 0:20:29- Surely something must be done.
0:20:29 > 0:20:34- Assad's forces are thought to have - killed seven times the number...
0:20:34 > 0:20:36- ..Daesh have killed of Syrians.
0:20:37 > 0:20:40- We're talking about - bombing certain areas here.
0:20:41 > 0:20:45- Not too long ago, we were talking - about bombing Assad's forces.
0:20:45 > 0:20:49- We're being dragged into a war - with Daesh...
0:20:49 > 0:20:54- ..in a place where western forces - are seen as threats.
0:20:55 > 0:20:59- What good will we do - by throwing our forces in there?
0:21:00 > 0:21:03- It will just lead - to more fundamentalism.
0:21:03 > 0:21:07- Fundamentalism as an ideology - is what we need to address.
0:21:07 > 0:21:10- IS is on our doorstep. - What else can we do?
0:21:11 > 0:21:16- Plaid Cymru feels we have to get - to the root of fundamentalism.
0:21:16 > 0:21:20- We must target Sunni hate preachers - in Saudi Arabia...
0:21:20 > 0:21:24- ..and identify the financiers of - the rebels and the arms in Syria.
0:21:25 > 0:21:28- Only wide-ranging discussions...
0:21:28 > 0:21:32- ..through the United Nations - will solve this.
0:21:33 > 0:21:38- Talking takes time. - We haven't got that time.
0:21:38 > 0:21:39- That's the reality.
0:21:40 > 0:21:45- It's sad that political decisions - here seem to be taken at haste...
0:21:45 > 0:21:48- ..for the sake - of being seen to be doing something.
0:21:49 > 0:21:53- The danger is - it makes things worse, not better...
0:21:53 > 0:21:56- ..because of our political situation - at home.
0:21:58 > 0:22:03- We need to look at stopping - the flood of arms into the region...
0:22:03 > 0:22:06- ..and counteract the ideology.
0:22:06 > 0:22:10- Why can't we have that - along with military intervention?
0:22:10 > 0:22:15- Can't we do the discussions - and the investigations...
0:22:15 > 0:22:19- ..along with the military action - - why not do both?
0:22:19 > 0:22:23- Because the bombing - makes things worse.
0:22:23 > 0:22:27- It creates more hostility and - strengthens the enemy's argument.
0:22:28 > 0:22:31- It reinforces their ideology - both there and here.
0:22:32 > 0:22:34- It makes our lives more dangerous.
0:22:34 > 0:22:36- Are you saying - that Britain wasn't a target?
0:22:36 > 0:22:40- We were a target and our actions - are making that worse not better.
0:22:41 > 0:22:44- This will harden opinion against us.
0:22:44 > 0:22:48- Western powers have a history - of wading in with grand gestures...
0:22:49 > 0:22:51- ..and then leaving behind - an uncertain limbo.
0:22:51 > 0:22:55- We've seen it in Iraq and Libya - and now it'll happen in Syria.
0:22:55 > 0:22:59- The ideology of hatred - fills the void when we leave.
0:22:59 > 0:23:02- There's no peace plan in place.
0:23:03 > 0:23:06- We're just seeding - more trouble for the future.
0:23:06 > 0:23:11- If we don't strike back, are we seen - as a soft touch or fearful of IS?
0:23:11 > 0:23:15- Thirteen countries have been bombing - in Syria for two years...
0:23:15 > 0:23:18- ..without the RAF.
0:23:19 > 0:23:20- What difference do we make?
0:23:20 > 0:23:24- Is it just an action to say - that we are doing something?
0:23:25 > 0:23:29- The danger is we make things worse - and solve nothing.
0:23:30 > 0:23:32- Liz Saville Roberts, thanks.
0:23:33 > 0:23:34- That's all for tonight.
0:23:35 > 0:23:36- Join us next week...
0:23:36 > 0:23:40- ..as we look at the plight - of the homeless over Christmas.
0:23:40 > 0:23:42- Hacio is back next Thursday.
0:23:56 > 0:23:58- S4C Subtitles by Testun Cyf.
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