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0:00:14 > 0:00:19- The past two years have been - very busy for Welsh politics.
0:00:19 > 0:00:23- Next Thursday we'll return - to the ballot boxes yet again...
0:00:23 > 0:00:26- ..for the 2017 General Election.
0:00:27 > 0:00:30- Tonight, Hacio has invited - five politicians...
0:00:30 > 0:00:34- ..to face questions on prominent - issues from our audience.
0:00:35 > 0:00:38- It's a very interesting election.
0:00:38 > 0:00:41- You've just been spouting - a lot of rhetoric.
0:00:42 > 0:00:43- Aren't you living in a fantasy?
0:00:43 > 0:00:46- Aren't you living in a fantasy?- - Why should we believe you?
0:00:46 > 0:00:48- Co-operating for the sake of peace.
0:00:48 > 0:00:49- Co-operating for the sake of peace.- - This country isn't a nightclub.
0:00:50 > 0:00:51- That wasn't my question.
0:00:51 > 0:00:53- That wasn't my question.- - He's been blamed for the NHS' 350m.
0:00:54 > 0:00:58- If we borrow we'll be back in the - same hole we were in 10 years ago.
0:00:58 > 0:01:00- Welcome to Hacio'n Holi.
0:01:06 > 0:01:09- Audience members - from all over Wales...
0:01:09 > 0:01:12- ..have come to - Swansea College of Art...
0:01:12 > 0:01:17- ..to hear responses - to the burning issues worrying them.
0:01:19 > 0:01:23- Labour is the first party - to appear this evening.
0:01:23 > 0:01:27- Before we meet its representative, - Guto gives us the lowdown.
0:01:31 > 0:01:34- Comrade Corbyn and his fellow - Socialists in the Labour Party...
0:01:35 > 0:01:40- ..are ready to resurrect Communism - and turn Britain into a Soviet mess.
0:01:40 > 0:01:45- Well... at least that's what - some of his opponents are saying.
0:01:48 > 0:01:49- How are you doing?
0:01:49 > 0:01:54- It's true, Corbyn is the most left- - wing leader of the party in decades.
0:01:54 > 0:01:59- Pledges to nationalize railways, - increase taxes for the wealthy...
0:01:59 > 0:02:04- ..and build affordable housing are - popular among his loyal Sputniks.
0:02:05 > 0:02:09- But Corbyn didn't get - all his pledges into the manifesto.
0:02:09 > 0:02:13- Labour's red book includes a pledge - to renew Trident nuclear weapons.
0:02:16 > 0:02:20- Corbyn hopes for an - electoral revolution on 8 June...
0:02:20 > 0:02:24- ..but Labour's moderate supporters - are ready to replace him...
0:02:24 > 0:02:27- ..if Labour - doesn't achieve full Marx!
0:02:45 > 0:02:47- Nia Griffith, a warm welcome.
0:02:47 > 0:02:50- Here's your first question - from Morli.
0:02:50 > 0:02:55- Who are you representing tonight? - British Labour or Welsh Labour?
0:02:55 > 0:02:58- I'm pleased to be here - representing Labour.
0:02:58 > 0:03:00- Welsh Labour and British Labour.
0:03:01 > 0:03:03- What's very important to us...
0:03:03 > 0:03:07- ..is that we began - the devolution process in Wales...
0:03:07 > 0:03:10- ..and established the Assembly - in the first place.
0:03:11 > 0:03:15- Our manifesto reflects the fact - that the Assembly has powers...
0:03:16 > 0:03:21- ..and that the Welsh Government - decides what we do here in Wales.
0:03:22 > 0:03:26- The fact is, if we were - in government across the UK...
0:03:27 > 0:03:30- ..Labour would give Wales more money - to do more things...
0:03:31 > 0:03:33- ..such as investing in education.
0:03:33 > 0:03:39- Carwyn Jones has obviously distanced - himself from Jeremy Corbyn.
0:03:39 > 0:03:44- Isn't he throwing dust - into voters' eyes by doing that?
0:03:44 > 0:03:50- The fact is, Assembly elections - were held a year ago...
0:03:50 > 0:03:54- ..to create a Welsh Government, - and the fact is...
0:03:54 > 0:03:58- ..we have the powers - to do things a little differently.
0:03:58 > 0:04:02- However, we're one united - Labour Party across the UK...
0:04:02 > 0:04:05- ..and we're asking people - to vote Labour.
0:04:06 > 0:04:09- Aren't the differences - in your views...
0:04:09 > 0:04:13- ..and Jeremy Corbyn's views - on Trident a clear indication...
0:04:13 > 0:04:17- ..that you're too divided - as a party for us to trust you?
0:04:17 > 0:04:20- How can you justify - your support of Trident...
0:04:20 > 0:04:24- ..when your party's leader says - he wants to see a world...
0:04:24 > 0:04:26- ..with no nuclear weapons?
0:04:27 > 0:04:31- Jeremy Corbyn said only this week - that our manifesto...
0:04:31 > 0:04:35- ..highlights - our commitment to Trident.
0:04:35 > 0:04:37- That's the Labour Party's policy.
0:04:38 > 0:04:40- It's what we decided in 2007...
0:04:40 > 0:04:45- ..when we began updating - the Trident programme.
0:04:45 > 0:04:50- What happens now, time and time - again, in our annual conference...
0:04:51 > 0:04:56- ..is that we repeat our commitment - to the Trident programme.
0:04:56 > 0:05:00- Isn't it frustrating - that your leader is against it...
0:05:00 > 0:05:05- ..yet you have to excuse him - and continue pleading your case?
0:05:05 > 0:05:07- Isn't that frustrating for you?
0:05:07 > 0:05:09- He said only this week...
0:05:09 > 0:05:14- ..that he accepts the fact it's in - the manifesto and it's party policy.
0:05:14 > 0:05:16- They were his own words.
0:05:16 > 0:05:20- Let's consider - the opinion polls for a moment.
0:05:20 > 0:05:22- The Conservatives are in the lead...
0:05:23 > 0:05:25- ..despite Theresa May's U-turn.
0:05:25 > 0:05:29- Doesn't that say more about - your party and Jeremy Corbyn...
0:05:29 > 0:05:33- ..that you're still lagging behind - the Conservatives' mess?
0:05:33 > 0:05:38- What's important is that people - listen to our manifesto pledges.
0:05:38 > 0:05:44- They like the fact we're - taking back control of the trains...
0:05:44 > 0:05:46- ..of the railways...
0:05:46 > 0:05:48- ..and the energy companies.
0:05:48 > 0:05:51- That's incredibly important - for people.
0:05:51 > 0:05:56- People see things in our manifesto - and like what they see.
0:05:56 > 0:05:59- I don't understand - your plan for the economy.
0:06:00 > 0:06:04- If we borrow we'll be back in the - same hole we were in 10 years ago.
0:06:04 > 0:06:08- What's important to remember - about the Welsh economy...
0:06:08 > 0:06:11- ..is the fact - that industries have disappeared.
0:06:11 > 0:06:14- But the economy is now growing.
0:06:14 > 0:06:18- The growth of the economy in Wales - is better than England's...
0:06:18 > 0:06:23- ..because the Welsh Government - has invested in the current economy.
0:06:24 > 0:06:27- What's happened - with the Conservatives...
0:06:27 > 0:06:31- ..for the first five years - under George Osborne...
0:06:31 > 0:06:35- ..is that they've failed to invest - in the economy and slowed it down.
0:06:35 > 0:06:37- That's why debt has risen.
0:06:37 > 0:06:39- That's why debt has risen.- - Moving on to another question.
0:06:39 > 0:06:42- Rory, what's your question - for Nia Griffith?
0:06:42 > 0:06:47- Do you agree with Jeremy Corbyn - and believe there's a connection...
0:06:47 > 0:06:52- ..between UK foreign policy and - terrorist attacks on the country?
0:06:52 > 0:06:57- What Jeremy Corbyn said this week - is clear.
0:06:57 > 0:07:02- He condemned terrorism and terrorist - networks behind the attacks.
0:07:02 > 0:07:06- But he mentioned the fact - that sometimes...
0:07:06 > 0:07:10- ..when you create a power vacuum - in turbulent countries...
0:07:10 > 0:07:16- ..it's possible that you give things - like Daesh an opportunity to grow.
0:07:16 > 0:07:18- This is an important point to make.
0:07:19 > 0:07:24- We have to acknowledge - that this can happen...
0:07:24 > 0:07:28- ..and we have to deal - with Daesh or ISIS.
0:07:28 > 0:07:31- So you agree - with Jeremy Corbyn's comments?
0:07:32 > 0:07:35- Yes, I agree - that terrorism is an awful thing...
0:07:35 > 0:07:40- ..and that we must condemn - terrorism, wherever it occurs.
0:07:40 > 0:07:43- But the facts is, - opportunities arise sometimes...
0:07:44 > 0:07:47- ..that facilitate - the growth of Daesh...
0:07:47 > 0:07:51- ..and we have to deal with it - and do something about it.
0:07:51 > 0:07:52- What's your question, Aled?
0:07:52 > 0:07:55- What's your question, Aled?- - You talk of the power vacuum...
0:07:55 > 0:07:59- ..but the man responsible - for the tragedy in Manchester...
0:07:59 > 0:08:01- ..was born in Britain.
0:08:01 > 0:08:04- His parents were from Libya, - a country known for its turmoil.
0:08:05 > 0:08:08- He hadn't come from a power vacuum, - he was raised here.
0:08:08 > 0:08:13- We shouldn't be asking why - he grew to hate Britain so much...
0:08:13 > 0:08:16- ..that he blew up children - in a pop concert.
0:08:16 > 0:08:19- Instead of focusing - on foreign policy...
0:08:19 > 0:08:23- ..we should consider how we deal - with these matters at home.
0:08:23 > 0:08:26- It's true, it's very important...
0:08:26 > 0:08:30- ..that we take a closer look - at strategies such as Prevent...
0:08:31 > 0:08:33- ..and look at ways to improve it...
0:08:33 > 0:08:37- ..so that every community - in our country is confident...
0:08:37 > 0:08:43- ..and that they can contribute - and contact the police...
0:08:43 > 0:08:47- ..if they see things - that aren't quite right...
0:08:47 > 0:08:49- ..or if things are going wrong.
0:08:50 > 0:08:53- It's very important - to ask the question...
0:08:53 > 0:08:58- ..how can we ensure that people - don't become radicalised?
0:08:58 > 0:09:02- We have to look at the internet, - how they get their information...
0:09:03 > 0:09:06- ..how they can - discuss issues like this...
0:09:06 > 0:09:08- ..and try our best to stop it.
0:09:08 > 0:09:11- People who've become terrorists...
0:09:11 > 0:09:15- ..are those who've been raised - in our own country.
0:09:15 > 0:09:18- I'll come to you, Helen, - for the final question.
0:09:19 > 0:09:22- Returning to the evil act - that happened last Monday...
0:09:22 > 0:09:27- ..did you know that Andy Burnham - wanted to abolish Prevent?
0:09:27 > 0:09:31- My question is, are politicians, - especially within Labour...
0:09:31 > 0:09:34- ..more concerned - with pleasing Muslims...
0:09:35 > 0:09:37- ..than keeping our children safe?
0:09:37 > 0:09:42- We have to ensure that - strategies such as Prevent work.
0:09:42 > 0:09:46- It's not a question - of pleasing Muslims.
0:09:46 > 0:09:51- The fact is, the Muslim world, many - people within the Muslim world...
0:09:52 > 0:09:54- ..are thinking...
0:09:54 > 0:09:59- ..how they themselves can - prevent individuals in society...
0:09:59 > 0:10:01- ..from being influenced.
0:10:01 > 0:10:04- We're all frightened.
0:10:04 > 0:10:08- Jeremy Corbyn has voted against - anti-terrorism policies in the past.
0:10:09 > 0:10:13- Isn't the Labour Party the greatest - risk to our national security?
0:10:13 > 0:10:18- If Jeremy Corbyn were prime - minister, he's a reasonable person.
0:10:18 > 0:10:21- He thinks things through - thoroughly...
0:10:21 > 0:10:24- ..he takes advice - from experts in the field.
0:10:24 > 0:10:28- He'd do whatever it takes - to ensure people's safety.
0:10:28 > 0:10:33- What's very important about Jeremy - Corbyn is that he's anti-violence.
0:10:33 > 0:10:36- He doesn't condone - any form of terrorism.
0:10:36 > 0:10:40- The fact is, we have to find ways - to ensure national security.
0:10:41 > 0:10:44- It's a grave question - and there's no simple answer.
0:10:44 > 0:10:48- Nia Griffith, thank you very much - for joining us this evening.
0:10:49 > 0:10:52- The Conservatives are next. - Guto gives us the lowdown.
0:10:54 > 0:10:57- The Conservatives - have been in power...
0:10:57 > 0:11:02- ..since their victory in the last - General Election in 2015.
0:11:02 > 0:11:06- Back then, - David Cameron was at the helm...
0:11:07 > 0:11:09- ..sailing along happily - with the tide.
0:11:09 > 0:11:13- But following - the unexpected referendum result...
0:11:13 > 0:11:18- ..Dave saw the tide turn and it was - abandon ship for him and his pals.
0:11:19 > 0:11:23- Now, it's the bloody difficult woman - at the helm - Theresa May.
0:11:23 > 0:11:29- She follows in the footsteps - of another bloody difficult woman.
0:11:29 > 0:11:33- She's changed the boat's direction - a few times...
0:11:33 > 0:11:37- ..but by pledging to tackle - immigration, renew pensions...
0:11:37 > 0:11:42- ..and reduce taxes, she hopes to - steer her ship straight to No.10.
0:11:43 > 0:11:46- Captain May hopes - her strong and stable leadership...
0:11:47 > 0:11:51- ..will guide her ship through - the Brexit storm to a safe haven.
0:12:05 > 0:12:09- Havard Hughes, - thank you for joining us tonight.
0:12:10 > 0:12:12- Rhydian has the first question.
0:12:12 > 0:12:16- Following her call for a ballot - on her social care policy...
0:12:16 > 0:12:21- ..Theresa May has made U-turns - since becoming Prime Minister.
0:12:21 > 0:12:26- Is she cracking under pressure, - proving she's not strong and stable?
0:12:26 > 0:12:28- It's not a U-turn in my mind.
0:12:29 > 0:12:34- A plan needs to be formulated - for the older generation.
0:12:35 > 0:12:40- We're a country - with a growing aging population.
0:12:40 > 0:12:44- Something has to be done to provide - a solution to that problem.
0:12:44 > 0:12:48- Just to return to Theresa May...
0:12:48 > 0:12:52- ..can anyone really trust her?
0:12:52 > 0:12:55- When she's under pressure - and faces opposition...
0:12:55 > 0:12:57- ..she goes back on her word.
0:12:57 > 0:12:59- Do you trust Theresa May?
0:12:59 > 0:13:00- Do you trust Theresa May?- - I disagree.
0:13:01 > 0:13:04- Theresa May keeps her word.
0:13:04 > 0:13:09- We need - a strong and stable government...
0:13:09 > 0:13:11- ..to negotiate Brexit.
0:13:11 > 0:13:16- Theresa May is the perfect - Prime Minister for the job.
0:13:17 > 0:13:18- You've got something to say, Helen.
0:13:18 > 0:13:20- You've got something to say, Helen.- - Theresa May voted to stay in the EU.
0:13:20 > 0:13:24- Is her heart really in leaving - the European Union?
0:13:25 > 0:13:28- She's respecting the people's vote.
0:13:29 > 0:13:33- This is very important.
0:13:33 > 0:13:39- Government must respect what people - in Wales have said about Brexit.
0:13:39 > 0:13:42- We'll return to Brexit later. - Your question, Felix?
0:13:43 > 0:13:47- Why doesn't she respect people's - wishes and appear in a TV debate?
0:13:51 > 0:13:55- Jeremy Corbyn - is a bad person in my mind...
0:13:56 > 0:14:01- ..because of his associations - with the IRA during the 1980s.
0:14:02 > 0:14:03- That wasn't my question.
0:14:04 > 0:14:08- I asked why doesn't Theresa May - respect people's wishes...
0:14:08 > 0:14:10- ..and oppose Jeremy Corbyn - in a TV debate?
0:14:11 > 0:14:14- My question wasn't about the IRA.
0:14:14 > 0:14:16- I disagree.
0:14:16 > 0:14:19- Theresa May's - strong and stable leadership...
0:14:20 > 0:14:23- ..is perfect for this election.
0:14:23 > 0:14:26- I think people - should vote Conservative...
0:14:26 > 0:14:29- ..I'm a Conservative...
0:14:30 > 0:14:33- ..to ensure a better deal - for the country.
0:14:33 > 0:14:36- You have a question, Richard?
0:14:36 > 0:14:41- If she's strong and stable, - why didn't May go on television...
0:14:41 > 0:14:44- ..if you believe - Corbyn is bad and weak?
0:14:45 > 0:14:47- Theresa May has appeared on TV.
0:14:47 > 0:14:51- When I press the button, Theresa May - is always on television...
0:14:52 > 0:14:55- ..so I'd have to - disagree with you there.
0:14:55 > 0:14:57- Moving on to the next question.
0:14:58 > 0:15:00- Ffion Watcyn, what's your question?
0:15:01 > 0:15:04- With Britain - preparing to leave the EU...
0:15:04 > 0:15:06- ..nobody knows what's ahead of us.
0:15:06 > 0:15:10- What assurances can you give us - as Wales' younger generation...
0:15:11 > 0:15:12- ..that we'll benefit from Brexit?
0:15:12 > 0:15:16- ..that we'll benefit from Brexit?- - Brexit is a new start for Britain.
0:15:16 > 0:15:22- It's time - for a new beginning in Wales too.
0:15:25 > 0:15:28- Our country has a bright future...
0:15:28 > 0:15:33- ..working together - with the rest of the world...
0:15:33 > 0:15:35- ..not just the EU.
0:15:36 > 0:15:41- Do you foresee a bright future - for Wales and for yourself, Ffion?
0:15:42 > 0:15:45- I don't have confidence - in the plan to leave the EU.
0:15:45 > 0:15:50- I voted to remain. I thought it was - the best thing to do as a country.
0:15:50 > 0:15:56- I don't see a bright future because - there's no clear plan in place.
0:15:56 > 0:16:00- No effort has been made by Theresa - May to engage with young people.
0:16:01 > 0:16:06- I haven't seen her speak to young - people as Jeremy Corbyn has done.
0:16:06 > 0:16:08- You've something to say, Felix?
0:16:08 > 0:16:13- How successful do you think the - negotiations are going thus far?
0:16:14 > 0:16:18- Very successful. We're leaving - the EU, we're not leaving Europe.
0:16:19 > 0:16:24- People in Germany and France - will still want the things...
0:16:24 > 0:16:27- ..we're producing in rural Wales.
0:16:28 > 0:16:30- Milk and meat.
0:16:31 > 0:16:35- I don't think it's a huge problem.
0:16:36 > 0:16:40- Negotiations will be tough...
0:16:42 > 0:16:45- ..but if we had - a strong and stable government...
0:16:46 > 0:16:50- ..I think - we're going to be successful.
0:16:50 > 0:16:55- Moving on - to the third question from Richard.
0:16:55 > 0:16:57- Opinion polls - suggest the Conservatives...
0:16:58 > 0:17:00- ..will win more seats in Wales - than ever before.
0:17:01 > 0:17:05- But isn't it true that the Tories - don't care at all about Wales?
0:17:05 > 0:17:09- The Conservatives - are proud of Wales.
0:17:09 > 0:17:11- I come from Carmarthenshire...
0:17:15 > 0:17:19- ..and the Conservatives - are doing great work for farmers.
0:17:19 > 0:17:22- I believe the Conservative Party...
0:17:22 > 0:17:25- ..loves Wales - more than other countries...
0:17:26 > 0:17:31- ..because we're able - to have negotiations...
0:17:31 > 0:17:33- ..with Europe...
0:17:33 > 0:17:38- ..which are going to ensure - very good results for Wales.
0:17:40 > 0:17:43- Wales is one - of the poorest countries in Europe.
0:17:43 > 0:17:48- Doesn't that prove a lack of care - and a lack of investment...
0:17:48 > 0:17:51- ..from the Westminster government - over the years?
0:17:52 > 0:17:57- The economy is doing a good job - for the people of Wales.
0:17:58 > 0:18:04- More people than ever before - are in employment in Wales.
0:18:04 > 0:18:07- This is something...
0:18:07 > 0:18:11- ..the Conservatives are - working towards in our manifesto.
0:18:11 > 0:18:16- Moving on to the final question - for you, Havard Hughes, from Efa.
0:18:17 > 0:18:21- You said Theresa May is a woman - who believes in what she says...
0:18:21 > 0:18:23- ..and doesn't make U-turns...
0:18:23 > 0:18:26- ..but she made comments recently...
0:18:26 > 0:18:30- ..about the fact there are - women's jobs and men's jobs.
0:18:31 > 0:18:32- Do you believe that?
0:18:32 > 0:18:34- Do you believe that?- - No, I don't believe that.
0:18:34 > 0:18:40- The Conservatives have produced - two female prime ministers.
0:18:40 > 0:18:43- Where's Labour in comparison?
0:18:43 > 0:18:49- I think the Conservatives - are doing good work...
0:18:50 > 0:18:52- ..in empowering women and girls.
0:18:52 > 0:18:55- There are - far more female candidates...
0:18:56 > 0:19:00- ..representing the Conservatives...
0:19:00 > 0:19:04- ..than ever before.
0:19:04 > 0:19:08- Theresa May - regards herself as a feminist.
0:19:08 > 0:19:12- But don't comments like these - prove she's old fashioned?
0:19:12 > 0:19:18- Many Conservative policies - could be considered old fashioned.
0:19:18 > 0:19:22- Those from the last election could - even be likened to UKIP policies.
0:19:22 > 0:19:26- Does that mean the Conservatives - are turning into...
0:19:27 > 0:19:29- ..a UKIP-light party?
0:19:29 > 0:19:33- No. - My politics are middle of the road.
0:19:34 > 0:19:39- I'm not extreme - and neither is Theresa May.
0:19:39 > 0:19:42- Conservative policies...
0:19:42 > 0:19:45- ..are for all the people.
0:19:46 > 0:19:49- Havard Hughes, - thank you for joining us tonight.
0:19:49 > 0:19:51- Join us after the break...
0:19:52 > 0:19:55- ..to see how Plaid Cymru - responds to our questions.
0:19:55 > 0:20:00- I haven't seen your party - working efficiently so far.
0:20:00 > 0:20:03- Isn't a Plaid vote - a wasted vote in this election?
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0:20:12 > 0:20:16- Welcome back to Hacio'n Holi, - where our audience has the chance...
0:20:16 > 0:20:20- ..to question and challenge - politicians from the main parties...
0:20:20 > 0:20:23- ..before polling stations open - a week today.
0:20:23 > 0:20:27- Plaid Cymru's next. - Here's Glesni's lowdown.
0:20:31 > 0:20:34- Plaid Cymru is ready for a fight.
0:20:36 > 0:20:39- Today's emblem - is a pretty yellow flower...
0:20:40 > 0:20:43- ..replacing - a red dragon on three mountains.
0:20:43 > 0:20:47- The fire has returned this year - by way of yet another symbol.
0:20:47 > 0:20:48- A shield.
0:20:51 > 0:20:55- Plaid Cymru believes - it's the shield to defend Wales.
0:20:55 > 0:21:00- Indeed, the word "defend" - is repeated more than 40 times...
0:21:01 > 0:21:03- ..in their manifesto.
0:21:03 > 0:21:07- Leanne Wood is ready - to fight for our healthcare...
0:21:07 > 0:21:11- ..and train 1,000 doctors - and 5,000 new nurses in Wales.
0:21:11 > 0:21:15- On the Brexit battleground, - Leanne wants to save Wales...
0:21:16 > 0:21:18- ..from the Tories - and their hard Brexit...
0:21:18 > 0:21:22- ..and follow her heroine, - Super Sturgeon, by campaigning...
0:21:22 > 0:21:24- ..to stay in the Single Market.
0:21:25 > 0:21:29- But hang on, - Wales voted in favour of Brexit...
0:21:29 > 0:21:32- ..so who's Leanne fighting for?
0:21:49 > 0:21:52- Daniel Williams, welcome.
0:21:53 > 0:21:57- The first question for Plaid Cymru - comes from Aled Russell.
0:21:57 > 0:22:01- The manifesto makes little reference - to independence for Wales.
0:22:02 > 0:22:04- Have you give up on that dream?
0:22:04 > 0:22:07- No, not at all.
0:22:07 > 0:22:09- It's more than just a dream.
0:22:09 > 0:22:13- We're not on the brink - of independence in this election.
0:22:13 > 0:22:16- We're not fighting - for independence...
0:22:16 > 0:22:19- ..but Wales - needs to be on a journey.
0:22:19 > 0:22:23- Our manifesto lays out new economic - and cultural foundations...
0:22:24 > 0:22:28- ..for reigniting that story that - will lead to eventual independence.
0:22:29 > 0:22:33- In your 2015 manifesto - you referred to Scotland 12 times.
0:22:34 > 0:22:37- This year, - no reference is made to Scotland.
0:22:37 > 0:22:40- Doesn't that suggest - you've given up on the dream?
0:22:41 > 0:22:43- The context - is what's important here.
0:22:43 > 0:22:46- The change has been Brexit...
0:22:46 > 0:22:49- ..and the decision - to pull out of Europe.
0:22:49 > 0:22:51- This is a Brexit election.
0:22:51 > 0:22:56- What's important to us - is that we fight Wales' corner.
0:22:57 > 0:23:01- We're the voice. We're forcing - London to pay attention to Wales.
0:23:01 > 0:23:03- What do you have to say, Dewi?
0:23:03 > 0:23:08- There was only one type of Brexit - that people talked about...
0:23:08 > 0:23:12- ..in last year's referendum, - and that meant leaving.
0:23:12 > 0:23:16- There was no talk - of staying within the Single Market.
0:23:16 > 0:23:18- Though Wales voted - to leave the EU...
0:23:19 > 0:23:22- ..why are you still - campaigning for us to remain?
0:23:22 > 0:23:27- I have to disagree. There were - several Brexits on the table.
0:23:27 > 0:23:31- No-one was completely sure - about what was on offer.
0:23:31 > 0:23:35- Even extreme Brexiteers were - campaigning for a Nordic model.
0:23:36 > 0:23:38- You can find them on YouTube.
0:23:38 > 0:23:40- We're not campaigning to remain.
0:23:41 > 0:23:43- We accept the referendum result...
0:23:43 > 0:23:45- ..and what we must do now...
0:23:46 > 0:23:49- ..is ensure laws for Wales - within the forthcoming Brexit.
0:23:50 > 0:23:52- What do you have to say, Rory?
0:23:52 > 0:23:56- Do you truly see yourselves - as the voice of Wales...
0:23:56 > 0:24:00- ..when your party failed to convince - most of the country...
0:24:00 > 0:24:04- ..to vote to remain - in last year's referendum?
0:24:04 > 0:24:09- That's a fair question and every - party faces tension in politics.
0:24:09 > 0:24:13- Should politics - reflect the status quo...
0:24:13 > 0:24:16- ..or should politics - change people's minds?
0:24:16 > 0:24:19- We're part of a national campaign.
0:24:19 > 0:24:23- I'm part of an organisation raising - awareness of the Welsh identity...
0:24:23 > 0:24:26- ..and using that Welshness...
0:24:26 > 0:24:30- ..as a weapon against - right-wing British nationalism.
0:24:30 > 0:24:32- We have three hard-working MPs...
0:24:32 > 0:24:36- ..who've won awards - for their efforts in Westminster.
0:24:36 > 0:24:41- If that number doubled, it would - strengthen our nation's voice.
0:24:41 > 0:24:46- We'll return to strengthening - Plaid Cymru's voice later...
0:24:46 > 0:24:49- ..but the second question - comes from Richard.
0:24:49 > 0:24:53- Considering the success - of the SNP gaining 56 seats...
0:24:53 > 0:24:57- ..and Plaid Cymru - stagnating on three seats...
0:24:57 > 0:25:00- ..has Leanne Wood - failed as a leader?
0:25:00 > 0:25:03- Interesting question. - I wouldn't say so.
0:25:03 > 0:25:08- Leanne's an inspiration, leading - a lively and inclusive campaign.
0:25:08 > 0:25:12- She attracts - many young people into the party.
0:25:12 > 0:25:15- We're seeing Welsh Labour - using its Welshness...
0:25:16 > 0:25:19- ..to distance itself - from British Labour.
0:25:19 > 0:25:22- This is down to - Leanne Wood's successful leadership.
0:25:23 > 0:25:27- You say that Leanne Wood is - an inspiration to you personally...
0:25:27 > 0:25:31- ..but she's failed to inspire Wales, - hasn't she?
0:25:31 > 0:25:35- She may get four seats - in the coming election...
0:25:35 > 0:25:38- ..but if you don't win any more...
0:25:38 > 0:25:41- ..surely her future as leader - must be questioned?
0:25:41 > 0:25:45- The press - regularly asks Leanne about this...
0:25:45 > 0:25:50- ..and asks - how many more MPs we need.
0:25:50 > 0:25:54- Leanne is a politician with - a long-term vision for her party.
0:25:55 > 0:25:58- She's had plenty of time by now, - hasn't she?
0:25:58 > 0:26:03- That's true, but we've had many - elections in quick succession...
0:26:03 > 0:26:07- ..and we've seen - increased success.
0:26:07 > 0:26:12- Moving on to the third question for - you, Daniel Williams, from Brengain.
0:26:13 > 0:26:17- In your campaign, - you claim to be a shield for Wales.
0:26:17 > 0:26:21- Aren't you guilty - of playing the victim?
0:26:21 > 0:26:26- There's a danger of that, in a way, - but that's the context we're in.
0:26:26 > 0:26:30- The shield is not only - a protective symbol...
0:26:31 > 0:26:34- ..it's also a symbol - of pushing against...
0:26:34 > 0:26:40- ..British right-wing elements we've - seen emerging over recent years.
0:26:40 > 0:26:45- We're defending the best of Welsh - culture and political culture.
0:26:45 > 0:26:48- That's the idea behind the shield.
0:26:48 > 0:26:53- But it's important that a political - party isn't purely defensive.
0:26:53 > 0:26:57- It needs a vision and that's why - our argument on Brexit...
0:26:57 > 0:26:58- ..is central to our campaign.
0:26:58 > 0:27:01- ..is central to our campaign.- - Final question from Morli.
0:27:01 > 0:27:05- Is a vote for Plaid Cymru - a wasted vote in this election?
0:27:05 > 0:27:09- I haven't seen your party - working effectively so far.
0:27:09 > 0:27:12- I very much hope - I've convinced most of you...
0:27:12 > 0:27:16- ..that a vote for Plaid Cymru - isn't a wasted one.
0:27:16 > 0:27:20- That argument just suggests - it's a two-party election...
0:27:20 > 0:27:25- ..and accepts the way the British - press provides the narrative.
0:27:25 > 0:27:29- We're here to provide an alternative - choice. A different choice.
0:27:30 > 0:27:34- We're a party that breaks away - from the predictable stance...
0:27:34 > 0:27:36- ..of the Labour party.
0:27:36 > 0:27:40- We're full of new ideas. The - manifesto is brimming with ideas.
0:27:41 > 0:27:44- We're looking for an opportunity - to fulfil them.
0:27:45 > 0:27:50- You're talking about breaking away - from Labour's predictability...
0:27:50 > 0:27:53- ..but I'm not hearing any - of the ideas you would roll out...
0:27:54 > 0:27:57- ..if you were to win more seats.
0:27:57 > 0:28:00- You've just been spouting - a lot of rhetoric.
0:28:00 > 0:28:03- I was merely responding - to the questions.
0:28:03 > 0:28:08- In a Brexit context, Plaid Cymru - campaigned to remain in Europe.
0:28:08 > 0:28:13- We're disheartened that we voted to - leave but it affords opportunities.
0:28:13 > 0:28:18- One of those opportunities is that - we can set our own taxation system.
0:28:18 > 0:28:21- Europe would allow us to do that.
0:28:21 > 0:28:25- When we - take this argument to London...
0:28:25 > 0:28:29- ..and insist that we - must address poverty in Wales...
0:28:29 > 0:28:33- ..we must be given the levers - for changing the VAT level...
0:28:34 > 0:28:37- ..corporation tax and airport duty.
0:28:38 > 0:28:41- If we had the authority - to control them...
0:28:41 > 0:28:44- ..we could revive Wales' economy.
0:28:44 > 0:28:49- That's the kind of policies Plaid - Cymru are pledging in this election.
0:28:49 > 0:28:53- It's not all rhetoric. - I urge you to read the manifesto.
0:28:53 > 0:28:56- It's brimming with feasible ideas.
0:28:56 > 0:28:59- Daniel Williams, - thank you for joining us.
0:28:59 > 0:29:01- Join us after the break...
0:29:01 > 0:29:05- ..to hear why the Lib Dems - believe they deserve your vote.
0:29:05 > 0:29:11- How can the Lib Dems - justify holding another referendum?
0:29:11 > 0:29:14- Why should we believe - anything you say?
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0:29:22 > 0:29:27- We've already heard the views - of three political parties.
0:29:27 > 0:29:29- The Lib Dems are next, but first...
0:29:30 > 0:29:33- ..let's hear Guto's views - on the party.
0:29:36 > 0:29:38- The Liberal Democrats.
0:29:38 > 0:29:40- They're still here.
0:29:41 > 0:29:44- Following their coalition - with the Tories...
0:29:44 > 0:29:47- ..they're as popular - as a snitch in school.
0:29:49 > 0:29:53- The party won only one seat - in the last General Election.
0:29:54 > 0:29:58- According to their leader, - they're on their way back.
0:30:00 > 0:30:04- A referendum on the terms of Brexit, - reversing some austerity measures...
0:30:04 > 0:30:06- ..and legalising cannabis.
0:30:06 > 0:30:09- This is how they're making - new friends.
0:30:10 > 0:30:14- Farron admits they don't have - a chance to win the election...
0:30:14 > 0:30:18- ..but will the Lib Dems ever return - to the good old days...
0:30:19 > 0:30:23- ..when they were seen as the - good children of British politics?
0:30:23 > 0:30:25
0:30:38 > 0:30:42- Rhys Taylor from the Liberal - democrats, a warm welcome to you.
0:30:42 > 0:30:45- The first question comes from Helen.
0:30:45 > 0:30:49- How many referendums - do you need before you accept...
0:30:49 > 0:30:53- ..that people in the UK - want to leave the EU?
0:30:53 > 0:30:56- We accept the result - of last year's referendum.
0:30:56 > 0:31:00- What we don't accept is the decision - Theresa May is going to make...
0:31:00 > 0:31:04- ..when she gets the majority - she's hoping for...
0:31:04 > 0:31:07- ..to drag Britain out of the EU - and the Single Market.
0:31:08 > 0:31:13- We're asking for a referendum on - the terms of the deal we receive...
0:31:13 > 0:31:18- ..and the relationship we have - with the European Union.
0:31:18 > 0:31:22- It's a referendum on the terms, - not a second referendum on leaving.
0:31:23 > 0:31:25- When the referendum happened...
0:31:25 > 0:31:29- ..no-one mentioned - the different forms of Brexit.
0:31:29 > 0:31:32- Everyone accepted - we would leave the Single Market.
0:31:32 > 0:31:35- This is something new - you want to introduce.
0:31:36 > 0:31:39- During the referendum, - there were different discussions...
0:31:40 > 0:31:43- ..between people - who wanted to leave Europe.
0:31:43 > 0:31:46- They said we could be like Norway...
0:31:46 > 0:31:49- ..in the Single Market - but out of the EU.
0:31:49 > 0:31:53- There was no agreement - on what Brexit would look like.
0:31:53 > 0:31:55- There's still no agreement.
0:31:56 > 0:32:00- Tim Farron has belittled the people - who voted Leave.
0:32:00 > 0:32:05- How can the Lib Dems - justify another referendum...
0:32:05 > 0:32:08- ..after it said clearly - on the ballot paper...
0:32:09 > 0:32:12- .."The Government - will implement your decision."
0:32:13 > 0:32:19- How can you justify not following - the will of the people?
0:32:19 > 0:32:23- It was a decision - to leave the European Union.
0:32:24 > 0:32:26- There are two different scenarios.
0:32:26 > 0:32:30- It's either Theresa May - and her cabinet or the people.
0:32:31 > 0:32:35- Ultimately, we'll have to deal - and live with the result...
0:32:35 > 0:32:40- ..of Theresa May's decision to drag - Britain out of the Single Market.
0:32:40 > 0:32:44- It will affect our universities, - our businesses...
0:32:44 > 0:32:48- ..young people's opportunities - to travel and work abroad.
0:32:49 > 0:32:51- That's a decision.
0:32:51 > 0:32:55- We want a referendum on the terms - of Brexit, not on Brexit itself.
0:32:55 > 0:33:01- In this election, you pitch - yourselves as the pro-Remain party.
0:33:01 > 0:33:04- 48% of people - voted to stay in the EU.
0:33:04 > 0:33:08- Why aren't they flocking - to support your party?
0:33:08 > 0:33:11- It's a very interesting election.
0:33:11 > 0:33:14- I think people are returning - to the extreme.
0:33:15 > 0:33:17- We have seen a squeeze - on our vote...
0:33:17 > 0:33:23- ..but we're also the only party that - offers hope for a better future...
0:33:23 > 0:33:26- ..not just for Wales but for the UK.
0:33:26 > 0:33:30- It's a vision for where we'll be - in 20, 30 years' time...
0:33:30 > 0:33:33- ..in the Single Market and the EU - or not.
0:33:33 > 0:33:35- People don't buy that.
0:33:35 > 0:33:37- I think they do.
0:33:37 > 0:33:41- A lot of people have said they - don't want to leave the EU anymore.
0:33:41 > 0:33:45- I want sufficient funding - for the NHS and schools...
0:33:45 > 0:33:47- ..opportunities - to travel abroad...
0:33:47 > 0:33:51- ..opportunities for people - to move to Britain to work.
0:33:51 > 0:33:56- A lot of people have had enough - of this anti-immigrant rhetoric.
0:33:56 > 0:34:00- We're offering an opposition - to that rhetoric.
0:34:00 > 0:34:03- On to the second question - from Leah Williams.
0:34:03 > 0:34:07- After forming a coalition government - with the Tories...
0:34:07 > 0:34:10- ..and with Labour in the Assembly...
0:34:10 > 0:34:13- ..have the Lib Dems - lost their identity?
0:34:13 > 0:34:18- A lot of people think - we have lost our identity...
0:34:18 > 0:34:26- ..but I think it's important to work - together to secure Britain's future.
0:34:26 > 0:34:30- There's no point saying - we're the Lib Dems...
0:34:30 > 0:34:33- ..and we don't work - with anyone else.
0:34:33 > 0:34:37- Kirsty Williams is transforming - the Welsh education system...
0:34:37 > 0:34:38- ..in Cardiff Bay.
0:34:39 > 0:34:44- In Westminster, the choice - was rescuing the economy...
0:34:45 > 0:34:48- ..or sitting with the opposition.
0:34:48 > 0:34:51- At some point, - every political party...
0:34:52 > 0:34:54- ..must approach - a situation maturely.
0:34:55 > 0:34:59- It must decide if it wants - to contribute to a solution...
0:34:59 > 0:35:02- ..and make an informed decision.
0:35:02 > 0:35:05- You're saying the Lib Dems - rescued the economy.
0:35:05 > 0:35:09- Over the past two years, - we've seen what the Tories...
0:35:09 > 0:35:14- ..would have done seven years ago if - they'd been in power on their own.
0:35:15 > 0:35:19- Cameron said "I'd govern like a true - Tory if it wasn't for the Lib Dems".
0:35:19 > 0:35:22- That's the effect we had - on the coalition.
0:35:22 > 0:35:26- We ensured that there was - a common sense approach...
0:35:26 > 0:35:28- ..to reducing the deficit.
0:35:28 > 0:35:30- Efa, you put your hand up.
0:35:30 > 0:35:33- As a young woman living in Wales...
0:35:34 > 0:35:38- ..why should I believe - anything you say?
0:35:38 > 0:35:42- When you formed a coalition - with the Tories...
0:35:42 > 0:35:47- ..there were huge promises - about university tuition fees.
0:35:48 > 0:35:50- Why should people believe you now?
0:35:51 > 0:35:56- We've acknowledged - that it was a huge mistake.
0:35:56 > 0:35:59- We've apologised about it.
0:35:59 > 0:36:01- During the last election campaign...
0:36:02 > 0:36:06- ..we published our plan - about funding further education...
0:36:06 > 0:36:10- ..and how we'd support students - in universities.
0:36:10 > 0:36:12- We were very clear about that plan.
0:36:13 > 0:36:17- Students will receive the National - Living Wage while studying...
0:36:17 > 0:36:20- ..and every student - would receive a grant...
0:36:20 > 0:36:23- ..to help with their living costs.
0:36:23 > 0:36:25- We have apologised...
0:36:25 > 0:36:29- ..it was the wrong decision - and we've paid the price for it.
0:36:30 > 0:36:32- What would you like to say?
0:36:32 > 0:36:36- Something very different - - you're the Liberal Democrats...
0:36:36 > 0:36:39- ..but your leader, Tim Farron...
0:36:39 > 0:36:42- ..doesn't believe - in same-sex marriage.
0:36:42 > 0:36:44- That's not true.
0:36:44 > 0:36:49- The debate about Tim Farron's - religion has been unacceptable.
0:36:49 > 0:36:53- He voted in favour - of same-sex marriage...
0:36:53 > 0:36:58- ..and he's been consistent - in voting for LGBT rights.
0:36:59 > 0:37:02- As an LGBT man, - I think Tim Farron's actions...
0:37:03 > 0:37:07- ..are more important - than his ideology.
0:37:07 > 0:37:12- Finally, Dewi has one more question - for the Lib Dems.
0:37:12 > 0:37:15- With only one Welsh MP, - and nine in Britain...
0:37:15 > 0:37:18- ..are the Lib Dem's days numbered?
0:37:18 > 0:37:22- No. We've seen a huge rise - in our membership.
0:37:22 > 0:37:25- We have more members - than ever before...
0:37:25 > 0:37:29- ..who are willing to campaign - for our principles.
0:37:29 > 0:37:32- People come up to us, - in their thousands...
0:37:32 > 0:37:36- ..and that's important to remember - when you look at our MPs.
0:37:36 > 0:37:41- Liberalism is an organisation, - the party is an organisation.
0:37:41 > 0:37:43- It's important to acknowledge...
0:37:44 > 0:37:48- ..that our principles are shared - by an increasing number of people.
0:37:49 > 0:37:51- Rhys Taylor, thank you very much.
0:37:51 > 0:37:54- After the break, - we'll hear from UKIP...
0:37:55 > 0:37:57- ..the final party - trying to win your votes.
0:37:58 > 0:38:01- Nigel Farage - led the campaign to leave the EU.
0:38:02 > 0:38:06- Why has he jumped ship and left - the Tories to sort out the mess?
0:38:07 > 0:38:10- There's no mention of the - Welsh language in your manifesto.
0:38:10 > 0:38:12- Do you support the language?
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0:38:19 > 0:38:23- We're having an exciting night - of debate in Swansea...
0:38:24 > 0:38:26- ..and there's more to come.
0:38:26 > 0:38:30- Before welcoming - the final politician...
0:38:30 > 0:38:33- ..here's Glesni's views on UKIP.
0:38:36 > 0:38:40- 2016 was the year of the party, - for the purple party.
0:38:41 > 0:38:44- Almost a year ago, - 52% of Britain's population...
0:38:45 > 0:38:49- ..voted for the fundamental - principle of UKIP's existence.
0:38:49 > 0:38:50- Independence day!
0:38:51 > 0:38:52- Yip, Brexit.
0:38:53 > 0:38:54- We've got our country back.
0:38:54 > 0:38:56- We've got our country back.- - There was widespread celebration.
0:38:57 > 0:39:00- Nigel Farage - raised another pint of beer.
0:39:01 > 0:39:06- After every party, - there's always a hangover.
0:39:06 > 0:39:11- And the current state of the party - is causing a few headaches.
0:39:14 > 0:39:16- Nigel left the building long ago...
0:39:16 > 0:39:20- ..leaving Paul Nuttall - by the jukebox listening to...
0:39:20 > 0:39:23- # All By Myself #
0:39:26 > 0:39:32- Their policies include - completing Brexit by 2019...
0:39:33 > 0:39:35- ..without paying a penny - to Europe...
0:39:35 > 0:39:39- ..and cutting net immigration - to zero within five years.
0:39:39 > 0:39:42- They won seven seats - in the last election.
0:39:42 > 0:39:47- After the Brexit celebrations, - has the purple party gone pop?
0:40:01 > 0:40:06- Thanks for joining us, Ken. We'll - go straight to our first question.
0:40:06 > 0:40:07- Tom.
0:40:08 > 0:40:12- UKIP's main objective - was Britain leaving the EU.
0:40:12 > 0:40:15- Theresa May has said - Brexit will happen.
0:40:15 > 0:40:19- So why are you still in existence?
0:40:20 > 0:40:22- It hasn't happened yet.
0:40:22 > 0:40:25- We had the referendum, - we had the decision.
0:40:25 > 0:40:30- There's about two years of work - still to do...
0:40:30 > 0:40:34- ..to continue the discussion - and secure a fair deal.
0:40:34 > 0:40:37- We still have work to do.
0:40:37 > 0:40:42- We have many policies - in our manifesto.
0:40:42 > 0:40:46- Many are as crucial and ambitious - as Brexit.
0:40:46 > 0:40:49- I want to keep - the United Kingdom united.
0:40:50 > 0:40:53- I want a free United Kingdom...
0:40:53 > 0:40:56- ..without the shackles of Europe.
0:40:56 > 0:40:59- Theresa May - has said that Brexit will happen.
0:40:59 > 0:41:01- Yes, but remember this...
0:41:01 > 0:41:06- ..Theresa May was very quiet - until the referendum result...
0:41:06 > 0:41:09- ..but when the decision - had been made...
0:41:09 > 0:41:12- ..she said - she would carry it through.
0:41:12 > 0:41:17- Was that intention in her heart - before the referendum?
0:41:17 > 0:41:19- A question from Helen.
0:41:19 > 0:41:23- What kind of Brexit - should we expect from Theresa May?
0:41:23 > 0:41:29- All I can say is I hope it's - a fair Brexit, as fair as it can be.
0:41:29 > 0:41:33- Fair for Wales and fair for - every member of the United Kingdom.
0:41:33 > 0:41:36- Felix, do you think - it will be a fair Brexit?
0:41:36 > 0:41:39- I think the whole thing - is a bit of a mess.
0:41:39 > 0:41:43- Nigel Farage - led the campaign to leave the EU.
0:41:43 > 0:41:51- Why has he jumped ship and left - the Tories to sort out the mess?
0:41:51 > 0:41:55- I'll answer half the question - if I can first.
0:41:55 > 0:41:58- Nigel Farage - was a very special leader.
0:41:58 > 0:42:00- Hold on a minute.
0:42:01 > 0:42:03- He had a lot of charisma.
0:42:03 > 0:42:08- The media wanted him - on the TV and in the news.
0:42:08 > 0:42:13- He didn't use the back-up - he had within the party.
0:42:14 > 0:42:17- Is there a future for UKIP - without Nigel Farage?
0:42:17 > 0:42:19- Of course there is.
0:42:19 > 0:42:23- We wouldn't have published - these 12 policies...
0:42:23 > 0:42:28- You've published policies but - that doesn't mean you have a future?
0:42:28 > 0:42:32- Do you remember when they said - we only had one or two policies?
0:42:33 > 0:42:35- We have a dozen policies.
0:42:35 > 0:42:39- One of the most important policies - is democracy.
0:42:39 > 0:42:43- We need a more democratic - electoral system.
0:42:43 > 0:42:49- We had one MP, - but the SNP had 53, 54 MPs.
0:42:50 > 0:42:51- 56 MPs.
0:42:51 > 0:42:58- We had far more votes than there - were people voting in Scotland.
0:42:58 > 0:43:02- Is that fair? Is that democratic?
0:43:02 > 0:43:08- Talking of policies, let's move on - to the second question.
0:43:08 > 0:43:11- One of your main policies - is banning the burka.
0:43:12 > 0:43:16- Isn't that unfair, doesn't it - prevent personal choice?
0:43:16 > 0:43:20- I agree with you. - I'm very open religiously.
0:43:20 > 0:43:26- Don't worry about religion.
0:43:26 > 0:43:29- Doesn't this policy highlight...
0:43:29 > 0:43:34- ..your party's racist - and anti-Islamic views?
0:43:34 > 0:43:36- No, we're not opposed at all.
0:43:36 > 0:43:41- I respect every religion and every - man who visits his church or chapel.
0:43:41 > 0:43:45- There are religions - beyond Christianity.
0:43:46 > 0:43:51- In Britain, in the United Kingdom, - there are many different religions.
0:43:51 > 0:43:54- We deal with it - in point number four.
0:43:54 > 0:43:59- We want to safeguard British values. - That's been noted.
0:43:59 > 0:44:04- That doesn't mean - we oppose other religions.
0:44:04 > 0:44:08- We'll move on - to the third question from Luke.
0:44:08 > 0:44:13- Over the years, UKIP has constantly - called for less immigration.
0:44:13 > 0:44:16- Is immigration a problem in Wales?
0:44:16 > 0:44:18- Well, with immigration...
0:44:18 > 0:44:22- ..it's important to realise - when the cup is too full.
0:44:23 > 0:44:25- Yes, we need immigration.
0:44:25 > 0:44:30- We need doctors and nurses - to work in our hospitals.
0:44:31 > 0:44:37- I know well enough - that we need them here.
0:44:37 > 0:44:40- To return to your policy, Ken...
0:44:40 > 0:44:44- ..you say you want to reduce - net migration to zero.
0:44:44 > 0:44:49- How do you do that? This country - isn't a nightclub - one in, one out.
0:44:49 > 0:44:52- As closely as we can.
0:44:52 > 0:44:54- Consider this.
0:44:54 > 0:45:01- As more immigrants arrive, we need - more schools, hospitals and houses.
0:45:01 > 0:45:05- When this happens - and it pains me to say this...
0:45:05 > 0:45:09- ..local people say, - "Why are they given houses?
0:45:09 > 0:45:12- "We've been waiting for housing - for five years?"
0:45:12 > 0:45:14- Is that right?
0:45:15 > 0:45:20- We'll move on to the final question - and that comes from Ffion.
0:45:20 > 0:45:23- There's one word of Welsh - in your manifesto...
0:45:23 > 0:45:25- ..and it's on the cover - Cymru.
0:45:25 > 0:45:29- There's no mention of the - Welsh language in your manifesto.
0:45:30 > 0:45:32- Do you support the language?
0:45:32 > 0:45:33- I'll tell you this.
0:45:34 > 0:45:37- I'm as much of a Welshman, as - a member of the United Kingdom...
0:45:38 > 0:45:40- ..as any member of Plaid Cymru.
0:45:40 > 0:45:42- There's one difference.
0:45:42 > 0:45:44- I can see beyond Offa's Dyke...
0:45:44 > 0:45:48- ..from the north-east of Scotland - to the south-west of England.
0:45:48 > 0:45:50- I can see beyond Wales.
0:45:51 > 0:45:53- It's hard for me to say this...
0:45:53 > 0:45:57- ..but Plaid Cymru - have their heads in the sand.
0:45:57 > 0:46:02- Do you think your AMs should speak - Welsh? None of them do.
0:46:02 > 0:46:06- Yes, many of them can speak Welsh.
0:46:06 > 0:46:10- They might not want to - speak Welsh publicly.
0:46:10 > 0:46:12- Who can speak Welsh?
0:46:12 > 0:46:14- Hamilton...
0:46:14 > 0:46:16- Hamilton...- - He said he was too busy to learn.
0:46:16 > 0:46:21- He can speak Welsh - but it's common Welsh.
0:46:21 > 0:46:25- They're wary of speaking Welsh - on TV.
0:46:25 > 0:46:26- Helen.
0:46:26 > 0:46:28- Helen.- - Leanne Wood can't speak Welsh.
0:46:29 > 0:46:30- And Daniel.
0:46:30 > 0:46:32- And Daniel.- - Leanne Wood lives in Wales.
0:46:33 > 0:46:34- Neil Hamilton doesn't.
0:46:34 > 0:46:36- Neil Hamilton doesn't.- - Let me reply to that.
0:46:37 > 0:46:39- Let me give you an answer.
0:46:39 > 0:46:40- Let me give you an answer.- - He lives in Wiltshire.
0:46:41 > 0:46:44- There's no need to speak Welsh - to be a Welshman.
0:46:44 > 0:46:49- He can reach his constituency - quicker from his home...
0:46:50 > 0:46:56- ..than if he lived in Cardiff - and travelled along Welsh roads.
0:46:56 > 0:47:00- There's no motorway - through the middle of Wales.
0:47:00 > 0:47:03- We'll leave it there for tonight. - Thank you, Ken Rees.
0:47:03 > 0:47:07- That's all for tonight - from Hacio'n Holi.
0:47:07 > 0:47:12- I hope the debate has shone some - light on the party's main policies.
0:47:12 > 0:47:17- I hope it's helped you decide before - the polling booths open on Thursday.
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0:47:22 > 0:47:24- ..throughout the election.
0:47:24 > 0:47:27- For tonight, - let me thank the politicians.
0:47:28 > 0:47:32- Let me thank the audience - and thank you at home for watching.
0:47:32 > 0:47:34- Goodnight.
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