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0:00:00 > 0:00:02- Welcome to a new series of Hacio.
0:00:02 > 0:00:04- We're at the Senedd - in Cardiff Bay...
0:00:05 > 0:00:07- ..for a special edition - of Hacio'n Holi.
0:00:07 > 0:00:09- Young people - from across Wales...
0:00:10 > 0:00:13- ..discuss the topics - that are important to them.
0:00:13 > 0:00:18- And special guests join us - to answer the audience's questions.
0:00:33 > 0:00:37- Over recent weeks, Hacio has been - on a schools tour across Wales...
0:00:37 > 0:00:41- ..discussing topics that worry - and agitate the nation's youth...
0:00:41 > 0:00:45- ..and asking their opinion of - Welsh First Minister Carwyn Jones.
0:00:46 > 0:00:47- Who is Carwyn Jones?
0:00:48 > 0:00:50- He's something to do with Wales.
0:00:50 > 0:00:52- Um, he works in the Senedd.
0:00:53 > 0:00:54- Wales' First Minister.
0:00:54 > 0:00:55- Wales' First Minister.- - I've heard of him.
0:00:55 > 0:00:57- But I don't know what he does.
0:00:58 > 0:01:01- Also, after our football team's - success at the Euros...
0:01:01 > 0:01:04- ..does rugby have to raise its game?
0:01:04 > 0:01:07- Why choose football - over rugby today?
0:01:07 > 0:01:11- The price. I've got - a five-game season ticket for 80.
0:01:11 > 0:01:14- That's the price of one rugby game.
0:01:14 > 0:01:17- We've also discussed - legalizing cannabis....
0:01:17 > 0:01:21- ..after North Wales Police and - Crime Commissioner Arfon Jones...
0:01:22 > 0:01:26- ..came out in favour of legalizing - cannabis for medicinal use.
0:01:26 > 0:01:31- I think we should legalize cannabis, - but we need to be careful...
0:01:31 > 0:01:35- ..that the public is aware - that there are still risks.
0:01:35 > 0:01:38- Those are tonight's topics - on Hacio'n Holi.
0:01:43 > 0:01:47- Representatives of all the schools - we visited on our tour...
0:01:48 > 0:01:49- ..have come to the Senedd.
0:01:50 > 0:01:53- From Bro Teifi to Bangor, - Y Creuddyn to the Rhondda...
0:01:53 > 0:01:56- ..they will - voice their opinions tonight.
0:02:01 > 0:02:04- First, we welcome Wales' - First Minister, Carwyn Jones.
0:02:05 > 0:02:08- I'm sure he's a familiar face - to some of you at home...
0:02:09 > 0:02:11- ..but is that true of our audience?
0:02:12 > 0:02:16- Carwyn Howell Jones, - or according to some, Cah-wyn.
0:02:17 > 0:02:22- First Minister of Wales and - leader of Welsh Labour since 2009.
0:02:23 > 0:02:26- He studied Law - at university in Aberystwyth...
0:02:26 > 0:02:30- ..and was a barrister, - university tutor and councillor...
0:02:30 > 0:02:34- ..before being elected AM - for Bridgend in 1999.
0:02:34 > 0:02:38- He is the third First Minister - since the Assembly's inception...
0:02:38 > 0:02:42- ..and the only Labour leader - in power in Britain.
0:02:42 > 0:02:45- But how much does our group - know about him?
0:02:47 > 0:02:49- Who is Carwyn Jones?
0:02:49 > 0:02:51- He's something to do with Wales.
0:02:52 > 0:02:54- Um, he works in the Senedd.
0:02:54 > 0:02:55- Wales' First Minister.
0:02:55 > 0:02:56- Wales' First Minister.- - No, sorry.
0:02:56 > 0:02:59- I've heard of him, - but I don't know what he does.
0:03:00 > 0:03:01- Who is Carwyn Jones?
0:03:01 > 0:03:03- Who is Carwyn Jones?- - Is he Wales' First Minister?
0:03:03 > 0:03:04- Do you know?
0:03:04 > 0:03:06- Do you know?- - Wales' First Minister.
0:03:06 > 0:03:09- Some accuse him of being lazy...
0:03:09 > 0:03:14- ..and claim health and education - have worsened during his tenure.
0:03:15 > 0:03:16- But others praise him...
0:03:17 > 0:03:21- ..for protecting Welsh students - from high tuition fees...
0:03:21 > 0:03:24- ..aiming to have a million - Welsh speakers by 2050...
0:03:24 > 0:03:27- ..and introducing a charge - for plastic bags.
0:03:30 > 0:03:32- How does that make you feel?
0:03:32 > 0:03:35- Some young people - didn't know who you are.
0:03:36 > 0:03:37- Most did, thankfully!
0:03:37 > 0:03:40- I hope they'll know more - after tonight.
0:03:41 > 0:03:43- It's now time - to question the First Minister.
0:03:44 > 0:03:45- Glesni, who have you got?
0:03:45 > 0:03:48- Glesni, who have you got?- - Megan Mead, Ysgol Gyfun Plasmawr.
0:03:49 > 0:03:52- Do you know - what exactly Carwyn Jones does?
0:03:52 > 0:03:56- No, I'm not really aware - of what you do.
0:03:56 > 0:04:00- On that basis, what's your question - for Carwyn Jones?
0:04:00 > 0:04:04- What can you do to get young people - interested in politics...
0:04:05 > 0:04:08- ..and to understand your role - as First Minister?
0:04:08 > 0:04:11- This question is often asked.
0:04:11 > 0:04:15- How can we ensure - that young people turn out to vote?
0:04:15 > 0:04:18- Not voting - means not having a voice.
0:04:18 > 0:04:21- No-one can listen to you, - so voting is vital.
0:04:22 > 0:04:27- Meetings like this one, where you - can ask me questions, are crucial.
0:04:28 > 0:04:31- When I was your age, - there was one Prime Minister.
0:04:31 > 0:04:34- She was Margaret Thatcher, - and she wouldn't have come here.
0:04:35 > 0:04:36- Guto, over to you.
0:04:37 > 0:04:42- Katie, do you think young people - are involved enough with politics?
0:04:42 > 0:04:47- A lot of people think politicians - tell lies and aren't trustworthy.
0:04:47 > 0:04:50- How would you change attitudes...
0:04:51 > 0:04:55- ..and encourage more young people - to engage with politics?
0:04:55 > 0:04:57- The problem is, - people now think that's true.
0:04:58 > 0:05:01- We've seen what's happened - in America and here this year.
0:05:01 > 0:05:07- People think it doesn't matter - that politicians lie, but it does.
0:05:07 > 0:05:11- I haven't told any lies - since I've been in this job.
0:05:11 > 0:05:14- It's vital that people trust you.
0:05:14 > 0:05:18- One thing that's changed - over the years...
0:05:18 > 0:05:23- ..is that politicians have tended - to speak an unfamiliar language.
0:05:23 > 0:05:26- They sound out of touch - with ordinary life.
0:05:26 > 0:05:30- It's vital that I can walk around - Bridgend and talk to residents.
0:05:30 > 0:05:35- My children go to the local school - and I live a relatively normal life.
0:05:35 > 0:05:38- If I don't do that, - I can't know what people think.
0:05:39 > 0:05:40- Guto, any reaction?
0:05:40 > 0:05:42- What can politicians do...
0:05:43 > 0:05:46- ..to get young people - interested in politics?
0:05:46 > 0:05:50- You said in your answer - to the first question...
0:05:50 > 0:05:54- ..that without a vote, - young people have no voice.
0:05:54 > 0:05:59- Would giving younger people a vote - make us engaged with politics?
0:06:00 > 0:06:01- No, not in itself.
0:06:01 > 0:06:03- If that were true...
0:06:03 > 0:06:09- ..everyone aged between 18 and 24 - would vote...
0:06:09 > 0:06:11- ..whereas only 30% do.
0:06:12 > 0:06:15- The problem is, - people over 60 do vote.
0:06:15 > 0:06:19- My fear is that, over time, - politicians will think...
0:06:19 > 0:06:23- ..OK, older people vote, - but young people don't...
0:06:23 > 0:06:27- ..so we don't need to listen to them - because they have no opinions.
0:06:27 > 0:06:30- That would be bad for society.
0:06:31 > 0:06:34- Lois, how do you react to that?
0:06:34 > 0:06:37- You spoke about young people voting.
0:06:37 > 0:06:39- Looking at the Brexit statistics...
0:06:40 > 0:06:43- ..if more than 30% - of young people had voted...
0:06:43 > 0:06:46- ..do you think - it would have happened?
0:06:46 > 0:06:47- No.
0:06:47 > 0:06:50- If young people had voted...
0:06:50 > 0:06:53- If more young people had voted...
0:06:53 > 0:06:57- ..I don't think Brexit - would have happened.
0:06:57 > 0:07:02- A very high percentage of under 30s - wanted to remain in the EU.
0:07:02 > 0:07:07- People said to me afterwards - that maybe they should have voted.
0:07:07 > 0:07:10- That leads us nicely - to the next topic.
0:07:10 > 0:07:15- It has been discussed, and is still - being discussed ad infinitum.
0:07:15 > 0:07:17- Even so, it is very important.
0:07:17 > 0:07:20- Glesni, you're with Ellie, - who has a question.
0:07:21 > 0:07:23- Yes, Ellie Davies, Ystalyfera.
0:07:23 > 0:07:27- You have a question - about a very important topic.
0:07:27 > 0:07:33- As children, we will be affected - by the ramifications of Brexit...
0:07:33 > 0:07:37- ..yet we had no voice to ask - the questions we wanted to ask.
0:07:37 > 0:07:38- My question is this.
0:07:39 > 0:07:44- How will we as young Welsh people - benefit from the Brexit reforms?
0:07:45 > 0:07:46- I wanted us to stay in.
0:07:47 > 0:07:50- All I see at the moment - are challenges.
0:07:50 > 0:07:54- I'm trying to be positive, - knowing that we have to leave...
0:07:54 > 0:07:58- ..but we need to discuss - some very difficult subjects.
0:07:58 > 0:08:03- Will we still be able to sell - Welsh goods in the single market...
0:08:03 > 0:08:06- ..without any tariffs or taxes?
0:08:06 > 0:08:09- What will the arrangements be...
0:08:09 > 0:08:13- ..as regards visiting - or living in another country?
0:08:13 > 0:08:16- No-one knows the answers - to those questions.
0:08:16 > 0:08:20- As it stands, I've never witnessed - such an uncertain period.
0:08:20 > 0:08:25- It's crucial that the UK government - tells us exactly what the plan is.
0:08:25 > 0:08:29- You mentioned freedom of movement - of people in Europe...
0:08:30 > 0:08:33- ..and access to the single market...
0:08:33 > 0:08:35- ..and all the uncertainty.
0:08:35 > 0:08:37- What is your priority?
0:08:37 > 0:08:38- What exactly do you want?
0:08:38 > 0:08:40- What exactly do you want?- - The single market.
0:08:41 > 0:08:42- That's crucial to us.
0:08:42 > 0:08:46- You could argue - that some people voted for Brexit...
0:08:47 > 0:08:50- ..because maybe they didn't want - freedom of movement.
0:08:51 > 0:08:56- Some did say that, but no-one said - we need to pull out of this market.
0:08:56 > 0:08:57- Nobody.
0:08:57 > 0:08:59- You can't have both.
0:08:59 > 0:09:02- You can't - fully control immigration...
0:09:02 > 0:09:04- ..and have access - to the single market.
0:09:05 > 0:09:06- You have to choose.
0:09:06 > 0:09:09- We need access - to the single market...
0:09:09 > 0:09:13- ..to ensure that businesses - located in Wales...
0:09:13 > 0:09:15- ..who are here - because of that access...
0:09:15 > 0:09:17- ..will stay here and employ people.
0:09:18 > 0:09:21- If you take that stance, - you have to consider...
0:09:21 > 0:09:25- ..what agreement is necessary - as regards immigration.
0:09:25 > 0:09:30- The UK government has admitted that - border controls are impossible...
0:09:30 > 0:09:34- ..because we'll have an open border - with the EU via Ireland.
0:09:34 > 0:09:36- Guto, over to you.
0:09:36 > 0:09:37- My question is...
0:09:38 > 0:09:41- ..should young people - without a voice...
0:09:41 > 0:09:43- ..have had a voice, - have had a vote?
0:09:44 > 0:09:46- I'm talking about people our age.
0:09:47 > 0:09:51- Should 16 and 17-year-olds - have had a vote in the referendum?
0:09:52 > 0:09:53- Yes, in my opinion.
0:09:53 > 0:09:56- Anyone over 16 - should have had a vote.
0:09:56 > 0:10:00- Why? That's what happened - in the Scottish referendum.
0:10:00 > 0:10:04- Why one rule for Scotland - and another for this referendum?
0:10:04 > 0:10:08- In my opinion, over 16s - should have a vote, full stop.
0:10:08 > 0:10:11- But having the right is one thing.
0:10:11 > 0:10:15- Making sure they turn out - and use their vote is another.
0:10:15 > 0:10:18- But for me, - 16 should be the voting age.
0:10:19 > 0:10:23- Gareth, you've supported Labour - all your life.
0:10:23 > 0:10:28- What's your opinion - about what you've heard so far?
0:10:29 > 0:10:31- Yes, I've always supported Labour.
0:10:32 > 0:10:34- My parents are party members, - as am I.
0:10:35 > 0:10:38- I always fight with my friends...
0:10:38 > 0:10:42- ..if they argue that - every political party is the same.
0:10:42 > 0:10:43- Physically?!
0:10:44 > 0:10:46- Not physically, no!
0:10:46 > 0:10:48- I feel so disappointed...
0:10:48 > 0:10:51- ..that young people - didn't have a voice.
0:10:51 > 0:10:57- You said that it's difficult - to get young people to vote.
0:10:57 > 0:11:01- But I know I'd have voted - if I'd had a vote.
0:11:02 > 0:11:04- We all probably would have.
0:11:05 > 0:11:07- Mirain's nodding.
0:11:07 > 0:11:07- Do you agree with Gareth?
0:11:07 > 0:11:09- Do you agree with Gareth?- - Yes, I do.
0:11:09 > 0:11:13- It was disappointing not to get - the chance to have our say.
0:11:13 > 0:11:16- It's our future, ultimately.
0:11:16 > 0:11:19- It's a huge disappointment - in my opinion.
0:11:19 > 0:11:23- On that note, - we'll move on to the next topic.
0:11:23 > 0:11:28- It's a very relevant subject - for this young audience - education.
0:11:28 > 0:11:32- I know you have several questions - for the First Minister.
0:11:33 > 0:11:34- Guto, who's first?
0:11:34 > 0:11:35- Guto, who's first?- - I'm with Elin.
0:11:35 > 0:11:39- How will you ensure - that young Welsh people...
0:11:40 > 0:11:44- ..will be able to afford to go to - university or further education...
0:11:44 > 0:11:46- ..if money is tight?
0:11:46 > 0:11:48- We have had the Diamond Review.
0:11:49 > 0:11:52- I can tell you - that things will change.
0:11:52 > 0:11:57- We have to find ways to target - those people with least means.
0:11:57 > 0:12:03- We also need to target help - for postgraduates.
0:12:03 > 0:12:06- We know how important they are.
0:12:07 > 0:12:11- There will be - a different package available.
0:12:12 > 0:12:16- But it will still be more generous - than what's available in England.
0:12:16 > 0:12:18- We have to weigh up the costs...
0:12:19 > 0:12:24- ..with having a fair package - on the table for young Welsh people.
0:12:24 > 0:12:28- But isn't it true - that our audience members...
0:12:28 > 0:12:32- ..will leave university - with higher debts...
0:12:32 > 0:12:36- ..than people like me who benefited - from the current system?
0:12:37 > 0:12:38- Yes, that is true.
0:12:38 > 0:12:42- I think it's true to say - that in the 1950s and 1960s...
0:12:42 > 0:12:45- ..there was - a lot more money available...
0:12:45 > 0:12:46- ..but a lot fewer students.
0:12:46 > 0:12:47- ..but a lot fewer students.- - Is that fair?
0:12:48 > 0:12:49- Well, there's a balance.
0:12:50 > 0:12:54- Do you have fewer students - and give people fewer opportunities?
0:12:54 > 0:12:57- Or do you have more students...
0:12:57 > 0:13:02- ..and share the cost between - the students and the government?
0:13:02 > 0:13:04- Guto, you're with Bethan.
0:13:04 > 0:13:06- Guto, you're with Bethan.- - We've heard about the uncertainty.
0:13:07 > 0:13:09- What are your biggest fears?
0:13:09 > 0:13:13- In my opinion, - the proposed changes...
0:13:14 > 0:13:18- ..could make higher education - more elitist.
0:13:18 > 0:13:22- Will they prevent students - from poorer homes...
0:13:22 > 0:13:24- ..from opting for higher education?
0:13:25 > 0:13:29- There will be more support - for those with less money...
0:13:29 > 0:13:32- ..to ensure that doesn't happen.
0:13:32 > 0:13:35- We have to offer - the opportunity to everyone...
0:13:36 > 0:13:40- ..and that requires more money being - available for those who need it.
0:13:41 > 0:13:42- Glesni.
0:13:42 > 0:13:46- You've heard what Carwyn Jones - has to say. How do you feel?
0:13:47 > 0:13:50- You spoke about the huge debts.
0:13:50 > 0:13:54- Take professions such as doctors.
0:13:54 > 0:13:58- Graduating can cost - as much as 70,000.
0:13:58 > 0:14:01- Think about jobs - like GPs and engineers...
0:14:01 > 0:14:03- ..with a shortage of recruits.
0:14:03 > 0:14:07- Take countries like Australia, - New Zealand and France...
0:14:07 > 0:14:11- ..where governments - offer more money...
0:14:11 > 0:14:14- ..why should they stay - in this country...
0:14:14 > 0:14:18- ..if you won't make it easier - for them to graduate more cheaply?
0:14:18 > 0:14:20- One thing I would say...
0:14:20 > 0:14:25- ..anyone studying medicine or - engineering will always have a job.
0:14:25 > 0:14:28- There's a big shortage - of engineering students.
0:14:28 > 0:14:32- Engineering also offers up - lots of sponsorship opportunities...
0:14:33 > 0:14:37- ..to take you through university, - and the same is true for medicine.
0:14:37 > 0:14:41- One more quick question - and a brief answer, if possible.
0:14:41 > 0:14:44- Earlier, you weren't sure - what Carwyn Jones does.
0:14:44 > 0:14:47- What's your question - to tie up the debate?
0:14:47 > 0:14:52- As a young person, I'm worried - by the lack of jobs available.
0:14:52 > 0:14:56- I worry about going to university - and graduating with huge debts.
0:14:56 > 0:15:02- What do you have to say to the many - who share that concern nowadays?
0:15:02 > 0:15:06- If you have a degree, - you'll always be better off...
0:15:07 > 0:15:09- ..than people without a degree, - as a rule.
0:15:10 > 0:15:14- It's worth going to university, - if that's what you want to do...
0:15:14 > 0:15:16- ..and ensuring you have a degree.
0:15:17 > 0:15:20- We then ask people - to pay a bit back...
0:15:20 > 0:15:24- ..because they have an advantage - in the labour market.
0:15:24 > 0:15:28- First Minister, thank you - for answering the questions.
0:15:28 > 0:15:33- Join us after the break - when we discuss our national game.
0:15:33 > 0:15:34- But what is it by now?
0:15:35 > 0:15:37- WRU chair Gareth Davies joins us.
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0:15:45 > 0:15:49- Welcome back to Hacio'n Holi - from the Senedd in Cardiff Bay.
0:15:49 > 0:15:51- Our next subject is sport.
0:15:51 > 0:15:54- Wales are in the middle - of the Autumn Series.
0:15:54 > 0:15:56- We're joined by Gareth Davies...
0:15:56 > 0:16:00- ..the former Wales international - and current chairman of the WRU.
0:16:00 > 0:16:04- Is rugby losing ground following - the surge of football in Wales?
0:16:07 > 0:16:10- Less than two weeks ago, - 80,000 supporters came together...
0:16:10 > 0:16:13- ..as the Welsh rugby - and football teams...
0:16:13 > 0:16:16- ..played in the capital - on the same day.
0:16:17 > 0:16:19- The FAW has been praised...
0:16:19 > 0:16:22- ..for its success - in attracting new supporters...
0:16:23 > 0:16:25- ..as well as its use - of the Welsh language.
0:16:26 > 0:16:28- Despite drawing more supporters...
0:16:28 > 0:16:31- ..the rugby stadium - still had over 20,000 empty seats.
0:16:32 > 0:16:34- Meanwhile, - the Cardiff City Stadium was full.
0:16:36 > 0:16:39- Why choose the football - over the rugby today?
0:16:39 > 0:16:43- The price. I've got a season ticket - to see five games for 80.
0:16:43 > 0:16:46- That's about the same as the price - of one ticket to see the rugby.
0:16:47 > 0:16:48- As a student, that makes sense.
0:16:49 > 0:16:54- At times, the prices can be high - - 80 or 60.
0:16:54 > 0:16:58- Not everyone can afford that.
0:16:59 > 0:17:04- What can the WRU do to attract - the next generation to rugby?
0:17:06 > 0:17:09- Some there - talked about ticket prices.
0:17:09 > 0:17:11- We'll come back to that shortly.
0:17:12 > 0:17:16- Guto mentioned attracting - the next generation of supporters.
0:17:16 > 0:17:19- Guto has our first question - for Gareth Davies.
0:17:20 > 0:17:22- Gruff Stead is from Ysgol Tryfan.
0:17:23 > 0:17:25- You're a big sports fan.
0:17:26 > 0:17:29- Yes, I went to quite a few - Euros games this summer.
0:17:29 > 0:17:32- After Wales' success in the Euros...
0:17:33 > 0:17:37- ..do you think the WRU - need to up their game?
0:17:37 > 0:17:41- I think the important words there - were "Wales' success".
0:17:41 > 0:17:44- Nobody took more pride - from it than me.
0:17:44 > 0:17:48- It was great to see the success - of Aaron Ramsey, Gareth Bale...
0:17:48 > 0:17:51- ..Joe Allen and the lads - over the summer.
0:17:51 > 0:17:53- I was out in New Zealand - at the time...
0:17:54 > 0:17:56- ..and was getting up early - to watch them.
0:17:56 > 0:17:58- Nobody was prouder than me.
0:18:00 > 0:18:06- I would hope that football fans - enjoyed watching Wales beat Japan.
0:18:07 > 0:18:08- Guto?
0:18:08 > 0:18:10- Megan, what do you think?
0:18:10 > 0:18:15- The football and the Euros in the - summer brought Wales together.
0:18:15 > 0:18:19- It gave a sense of belonging - and Welshness to them.
0:18:19 > 0:18:22- Do you think rugby - can do the same thing?
0:18:23 > 0:18:27- In my opinion, rugby can, - if anything, do even better.
0:18:27 > 0:18:31- If you look at the Grand Slams - we've had over the last decade...
0:18:32 > 0:18:37- ..where we've had over 150,000 - people in Cardiff on the day.
0:18:37 > 0:18:39- The stadium - only holds 70,000 people.
0:18:39 > 0:18:42- The important word there - was success.
0:18:42 > 0:18:45- If Wales hadn't done so well - at the Euros...
0:18:45 > 0:18:49- ..they may not have had the - attention and support that they got.
0:18:49 > 0:18:53- If we can be successful - in whatever field...
0:18:53 > 0:18:57- ..that will attract - more support and attention.
0:18:58 > 0:19:00- That then leads to more success.
0:19:01 > 0:19:05- It was fantastic to see - such success over the summer.
0:19:05 > 0:19:10- Don't you have more work as a union - following the success of football?
0:19:10 > 0:19:13- Do you really need - to raise your game?
0:19:13 > 0:19:15- Absolutely.
0:19:15 > 0:19:18- We have the same problems - as football, to be honest.
0:19:18 > 0:19:24- There's a huge age gap - that's a threat to our game.
0:19:24 > 0:19:27- When you look at when children - come into the youth game...
0:19:28 > 0:19:31- ..we lose a lot of players - at that age.
0:19:31 > 0:19:36- When children leave school for - university and the senior game...
0:19:36 > 0:19:39- ..that's another problem.
0:19:39 > 0:19:45- Rugby, if anything, is more - traditional than football in Wales.
0:19:45 > 0:19:48- Everything depends on the clubs.
0:19:48 > 0:19:52- In a way, the whole emphasis - is on men and boys.
0:19:54 > 0:19:56- The fastest growth in the sport...
0:19:56 > 0:19:59- ..not just in Wales but worldwide, - is the women's game.
0:20:00 > 0:20:05- The number of women playing rugby in - Wales has doubled in the last year.
0:20:06 > 0:20:08- We are concentrating.
0:20:08 > 0:20:11- We're also concentrating - on different forms of the game.
0:20:13 > 0:20:16- It's not just a 15-a-side game - for men, there's seven-a-side...
0:20:16 > 0:20:18- ..there's ten-a-side rugby too.
0:20:19 > 0:20:22- Touch and beach rugby - are increasingly popular too.
0:20:22 > 0:20:25- It's important to get people out - to keep fit.
0:20:25 > 0:20:28- We've got some hands up. Glesni.
0:20:28 > 0:20:31- Llion, does Welsh rugby - need to raise its game?
0:20:31 > 0:20:33- To a certain extent.
0:20:33 > 0:20:38- Following Wales' success in France, - there was a huge increase...
0:20:38 > 0:20:40- ..in the use of Welsh - on social media...
0:20:41 > 0:20:45- ..including multinationals like - Budweiser and Adidas using Welsh.
0:20:45 > 0:20:50- The WRU deserves praise for recently - increasing their use of Welsh.
0:20:50 > 0:20:53- But I think you're still - a little behind.
0:20:54 > 0:20:56- How do you emulate - the football team's success?
0:20:57 > 0:20:59- I'm not sure - about emulating their success.
0:20:59 > 0:21:03- They have concentrated on doing - some things that were very clear.
0:21:03 > 0:21:06- In terms of what - goes on day-to-day...
0:21:06 > 0:21:09- ..you'd find the WRU - does a lot more than the FAW.
0:21:10 > 0:21:11- Having said that...
0:21:11 > 0:21:17- ..I think the FAW were very clever - in their use of the Welsh language.
0:21:17 > 0:21:19- It was very effective too.
0:21:20 > 0:21:24- Is there something you do to expand - the profile of the Welsh language?
0:21:24 > 0:21:29- In September, there was a job - advertised for a role at the union.
0:21:29 > 0:21:35- There was no mention of the Welsh - language being a requirement.
0:21:35 > 0:21:38- Doesn't that show - that you don't prioritize Welsh?
0:21:39 > 0:21:42- I would say - that we need the best person.
0:21:42 > 0:21:44- The person who got that job - is a Welsh speaker.
0:21:45 > 0:21:46- We're not turning against it.
0:21:47 > 0:21:50- If we appoint people, - we have to go for the best.
0:21:51 > 0:21:54- If it were two equal people - and one of them spoke Welsh...
0:21:54 > 0:21:57- ..she or he would get the job, - which is what happened.
0:21:57 > 0:22:01- Was the lack of reference - to Welsh a mistake then?
0:22:01 > 0:22:02- No, I don't think so.
0:22:02 > 0:22:05- Was this deliberate?
0:22:05 > 0:22:07- Was this deliberate?- - We wanted the best person.
0:22:07 > 0:22:10- If you said that they - had to be able to speak Welsh...
0:22:11 > 0:22:14- ..we might possibly miss out - on the best person.
0:22:14 > 0:22:19- As it turns out, the person who - got the job was a Welsh speaker.
0:22:20 > 0:22:23- Guto, you've got some people - who want to speak.
0:22:23 > 0:22:25- What do you think?
0:22:25 > 0:22:30- I don't feel the Welsh language - is the priority for you.
0:22:30 > 0:22:35- How can you persuade me that - the Welsh language is a priority?
0:22:36 > 0:22:38- If we go back to - creating a strategy...
0:22:39 > 0:22:43- ..our latest strategy - was announced three months ago.
0:22:43 > 0:22:44- It's on the web.
0:22:45 > 0:22:49- Developing a Welsh-language policy - for the first time...
0:22:49 > 0:22:50- ..is in the strategy.
0:22:51 > 0:22:57- So, yes, I think we've fallen behind - a bi but we're hoping to solve it.
0:22:57 > 0:23:00- If we have this conversation - in a year or two...
0:23:00 > 0:23:05- ..you'll see evidence of a bigger - emphasis on the Welsh language.
0:23:05 > 0:23:08- Let's move on to the next generation - of supporters and players.
0:23:09 > 0:23:14- During the Autumn Series, the - Millennium Stadium hasn't been full.
0:23:14 > 0:23:17- Some have criticized - the price of tickets.
0:23:17 > 0:23:21- Having said that, for the game - against Japan with lower prices...
0:23:21 > 0:23:23- ..the stadium was full.
0:23:23 > 0:23:27- Should you lower prices - to attract the next generation?
0:23:27 > 0:23:31- There's going to be a review - of what has happened.
0:23:32 > 0:23:34- One thing I would say - from the start...
0:23:34 > 0:23:38- ..is that Autumn Series ticket - prices haven't gone up since 2010.
0:23:38 > 0:23:42- For the last six years, but I accept - your point about the Japan game.
0:23:42 > 0:23:45- The prices were lower - for the Argentina game too.
0:23:45 > 0:23:49- It's wonderful - to see a full stadium.
0:23:49 > 0:23:52- Japan had never played in front - of such a large crowd before.
0:23:53 > 0:23:54- It was a success.
0:23:54 > 0:23:59- We have to remember, going back - to the football comparison...
0:23:59 > 0:24:02- ..the WRU have to fund - the entire game.
0:24:02 > 0:24:06- The community game, the school game - and the professional game.
0:24:06 > 0:24:10- The FAW doesn't have to fund - the professional game.
0:24:10 > 0:24:15- The Premier League - and other leagues do that.
0:24:15 > 0:24:19- You have to look - at the bigger picture.
0:24:20 > 0:24:24- The money that comes in to the union - all goes out.
0:24:24 > 0:24:26- The union doesn't keep any profit.
0:24:27 > 0:24:30- A tournament ticket - for the football is 80.
0:24:30 > 0:24:34- That's close to the price - of a ticket to see one rugby match.
0:24:35 > 0:24:40- Is there any chance - that you'll bring prices down?
0:24:40 > 0:24:44- No, to be honest, the model - that funds the whole game...
0:24:44 > 0:24:47- ..is reliant on the money - that comes in from tickets.
0:24:50 > 0:24:53- Look at the Japan game, - we had 74,000 people there.
0:24:54 > 0:24:59- Financially, that would be half of - what we got for the Australia game.
0:25:00 > 0:25:02- Guto, you have a response.
0:25:02 > 0:25:05- Gruff, ticket prices - are a burning issue.
0:25:05 > 0:25:06- What's your opinion?
0:25:07 > 0:25:10- I think rugby concentrates more - on making a profit...
0:25:10 > 0:25:13- ..than ensuring a good atmosphere - in the stadium.
0:25:14 > 0:25:17- That's totally different to - football. What do you think?
0:25:17 > 0:25:21- We play in a stadium - for 75,000 people.
0:25:22 > 0:25:27- If we played in Cardiff City - Stadium, I'm sure it would be full.
0:25:28 > 0:25:30- The atmosphere would be the same.
0:25:30 > 0:25:33- I don't know - if you were there on Saturday.
0:25:33 > 0:25:35- The atmosphere was special.
0:25:36 > 0:25:39- One of the reasons we'll have - to consider ticket prices...
0:25:40 > 0:25:43- ..is that it was wonderful - to see so many children there.
0:25:43 > 0:25:47- The prices for concessions - was one of the things we changed.
0:25:47 > 0:25:48- Guto.
0:25:48 > 0:25:52- You mentioned ticket prices - being 80.
0:25:52 > 0:25:54- If you put that in perspective...
0:25:55 > 0:25:59- ..it's 80 for 80 minutes, - so it's 1 a minute.
0:26:00 > 0:26:06- Do you think 1 a minute is a fair - price for us as young people?
0:26:07 > 0:26:10- I'm sure a lot of people would say - that it isn't a fair price.
0:26:11 > 0:26:13- I think we have to look - at the market.
0:26:13 > 0:26:16- Ticket prices have risen, - albeit not every year.
0:26:16 > 0:26:20- They might need to be lowered maybe - 5 every other year.
0:26:21 > 0:26:24- As I say, we have to compare - the situation with other countries.
0:26:24 > 0:26:29- If you want to watch matches - in France this year, it's 150.
0:26:32 > 0:26:35- We're not France, - but we do have to consider that.
0:26:35 > 0:26:38- The price we charge for tickets...
0:26:39 > 0:26:42- ..corresponds to what Scotland - and Ireland do.
0:26:42 > 0:26:44- Glesni.
0:26:44 > 0:26:46- Do you think ticket prices - should go down?
0:26:47 > 0:26:51- I hear you comparing prices - with other countries.
0:26:51 > 0:26:58- It's hard for me to say because I - love watching Wales play rugby...
0:26:58 > 0:27:03- ..but the performances we're putting - in at the moment aren't good enough.
0:27:03 > 0:27:05- Compared to other countries...
0:27:06 > 0:27:09- ..England and France - are playing exceptional rugby.
0:27:10 > 0:27:13- Watching us, I can't see us - competing with them any more.
0:27:14 > 0:27:19- I don't know why, but I feel - we're behind on skills.
0:27:19 > 0:27:24- Because of that, - I think we should lower prices.
0:27:24 > 0:27:28- If we don't, - people will lose interest.
0:27:28 > 0:27:32- I don't want to be - overly critical of the team.
0:27:32 > 0:27:36- We're all disappointed - with how recent games have gone...
0:27:36 > 0:27:39- ..particularly the Autumn Series, - including the lads themselves.
0:27:40 > 0:27:44- They were talking about their - disappointment on Twitter yesterday.
0:27:44 > 0:27:47- The coaches have admitted - it's not at its best.
0:27:47 > 0:27:51- I don't think you can change - your pricing policy...
0:27:51 > 0:27:55- ..because that is decided - a year or two in advance.
0:27:56 > 0:27:59- But it's something - to keep an eye on.
0:27:59 > 0:28:03- If the Welsh team - wasn't successful over the years...
0:28:04 > 0:28:07- ..then you wouldn't get - as many people turning up.
0:28:08 > 0:28:12- It's important for the national team - to be successful.
0:28:12 > 0:28:14- That is the engine - that feeds the game.
0:28:15 > 0:28:18- Some say there's too much emphasis - on the national side.
0:28:19 > 0:28:22- As I say, the national side - funds the rest of the game.
0:28:24 > 0:28:28- Do you think Wales' lack of - performance in the autumn...
0:28:28 > 0:28:31- ..is the result - of Warren Gatland's absence?
0:28:32 > 0:28:37- Warren is clearly - one of the world's leading coaches.
0:28:37 > 0:28:42- That's why he's been chosen - to coach the Lions next year.
0:28:43 > 0:28:48- The option to be appointed - as Lions coach...
0:28:48 > 0:28:51- ..was written into his contract.
0:28:52 > 0:28:55- He had every right to go for it, - and he was appointed.
0:28:55 > 0:29:00- Any team would miss - one of the world's best coaches.
0:29:00 > 0:29:06- I think it's important to give - Welsh coaches a chance to step up.
0:29:06 > 0:29:09- Rob Howley has been - with the coaching staff...
0:29:10 > 0:29:12- ..for seven or eight years.
0:29:12 > 0:29:14- Robin McBryde is there too.
0:29:14 > 0:29:17- They've got a chance over the - next year to see what they can do.
0:29:20 > 0:29:26- Since 1998 and Graham Henry, - we've only had two Welsh coaches.
0:29:27 > 0:29:33- I would say that is a weakness - in our system of developing coaches.
0:29:33 > 0:29:35- Before you go, one more question.
0:29:35 > 0:29:39- What's your prediction - for Saturday's match?
0:29:39 > 0:29:40- We have to win.
0:29:40 > 0:29:44- If we win, it'll be three out of - four and people will be happier.
0:29:44 > 0:29:48- I think we've got a good chance. - South Africa aren't at their best.
0:29:48 > 0:29:53- We haven't been at our best either - but fingers crossed it improves.
0:29:53 > 0:29:54- Fingers crossed.
0:29:54 > 0:29:56- Gareth Davies, thank you.
0:29:56 > 0:29:58- After the break...
0:29:58 > 0:30:02- ..we discuss the legalization - of cannabis for medical use.
0:30:02 > 0:30:06- Arfon Jones, the Police and Crime - Commissioner for North Wales...
0:30:06 > 0:30:09- ..will join us - to face this group's questions.
0:30:11 > 0:30:12- .
0:30:15 > 0:30:15- Subtitles
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0:30:17 > 0:30:20- The last subject tonight - is legalizing cannabis.
0:30:21 > 0:30:25- Recently, the North Wales Police and - Crime Commissioner has announced...
0:30:25 > 0:30:29- ..that he sees health benefits - to legalizing the drug.
0:30:29 > 0:30:33- In a minute, he'll battle it out - with our studio representatives.
0:30:33 > 0:30:35- But first, - here's a summary of the debate.
0:30:38 > 0:30:42- Don't worry, Trump isn't - on the agenda today again.
0:30:42 > 0:30:46- There was another important vote - in America this month.
0:30:47 > 0:30:51- Eight American states - legalized cannabis in November...
0:30:52 > 0:30:56- ..either completely - or for medicinal use.
0:30:56 > 0:31:00- Cannabis is legal to some level - in more than half US states.
0:31:01 > 0:31:05- One advocate of legalizing cannabis - for medicinal use here...
0:31:05 > 0:31:09- ..is the North Wales Police and - Crime Commissioner, Arfon Jones.
0:31:09 > 0:31:14- He thinks cannabis offers medicinal - benefits to those who need it.
0:31:16 > 0:31:21- However, some experts maintain that - cannabis is harmful psychologically.
0:31:21 > 0:31:26- They also claim that it is addictive - and a gateway to stronger drugs.
0:31:27 > 0:31:28- What do you think?
0:31:29 > 0:31:33- We shouldn't legalize it entirely - right now.
0:31:33 > 0:31:36- We don't know the long-term effects.
0:31:37 > 0:31:42- We should legalize cannabis but we - should also make the public aware...
0:31:42 > 0:31:44- ..of the risks taking it entails.
0:31:45 > 0:31:48- Cannabis. Legalize or not?
0:31:53 > 0:31:55- Thank you for joining us, - Arfon Jones.
0:31:56 > 0:32:01- Glesni's question - was whether to legalize or not.
0:32:01 > 0:32:05- We have one quick question - before we go to that.
0:32:05 > 0:32:07- It's asked by Mirain Dafydd.
0:32:07 > 0:32:11- What's the point - of a Police and Crime Commissioner?
0:32:14 > 0:32:16- The government brought in - the new role in 2012.
0:32:17 > 0:32:21- Before that, overseeing the police - was done by the police authorities.
0:32:21 > 0:32:25- There were 17 elected officials - in North Wales.
0:32:25 > 0:32:31- The government decided to replace - them with one elected commissioner.
0:32:33 > 0:32:37- I'm in charge of the budget and I - hold the Chief Constable to account.
0:32:37 > 0:32:43- Before we move on, how many of you - had heard of this role?
0:32:46 > 0:32:48- A small proportion.
0:32:48 > 0:32:50- How many hadn't heard of it?
0:32:50 > 0:32:51- The majority.
0:32:52 > 0:32:56- Why do you think your role - is not that well known?
0:32:57 > 0:33:02- During the election, there isn't - the same chance to promote the job.
0:33:04 > 0:33:10- The MPs and AMs get a free - published pamphlet about themselves.
0:33:11 > 0:33:15- We didn't get that and - it's quite a task distributing...
0:33:17 > 0:33:22- ..200,000 pamphlets across the whole - of North Wales without support.
0:33:24 > 0:33:30- It's not really fair - to compare us to the politicians.
0:33:31 > 0:33:37- Let's move on to legalizing - cannabis, for medicinal use.
0:33:38 > 0:33:40- Why are you in favour?
0:33:41 > 0:33:47- We already have some prescription - medications that contain cannabis.
0:33:50 > 0:33:55- We also have much more dangerous - and addictive drugs...
0:33:55 > 0:34:01- ..like opiates and morphine already - in everyday use in our hospitals.
0:34:06 > 0:34:10- We know that cannabis does alleviate - the symptoms of people...
0:34:11 > 0:34:14- ..with certain conditions, - such as multiple sclerosis.
0:34:15 > 0:34:19- How many of you agree - that cannabis should be legalized?
0:34:19 > 0:34:20- Put your hands up.
0:34:21 > 0:34:24- Glesni, start the ball rolling.
0:34:25 > 0:34:29- You have a very strong opinion. - You want it legalized. Why?
0:34:30 > 0:34:32- I think it's incontestable.
0:34:32 > 0:34:37- The economic benefits from - legalizing it would be massive.
0:34:41 > 0:34:43- The latest research - estimates a direct...
0:34:44 > 0:34:48- ..900 million boost to the Treasury - from legalizing cannabis.
0:34:48 > 0:34:52- You're in favour, - but we have a different view here.
0:34:53 > 0:34:58- I don't disagree that there might be - a massive economic advantage.
0:34:58 > 0:35:04- However, I'm against because there - are 30 different types of cannabis.
0:35:05 > 0:35:08- The implications of that are clear.
0:35:10 > 0:35:16- Secondly, the mental health issues - arising from cannabis addiction...
0:35:17 > 0:35:20- ..aren't yet fully understood.
0:35:20 > 0:35:24- There are also worries - about its addictive nature...
0:35:24 > 0:35:27- ..and the added pressure on the NHS.
0:35:27 > 0:35:30- There could be massive problems - in the future.
0:35:31 > 0:35:33- How do you respond to that?
0:35:34 > 0:35:37- Drug addiction - is a public health issue.
0:35:38 > 0:35:40- It shouldn't be a legal issue.
0:35:42 > 0:35:45- I know a lot of people - jailed for drug addiction.
0:35:45 > 0:35:48- They come out just as addicted.
0:35:48 > 0:35:52- We've had anti-drug legislation - for over 50 years...
0:35:53 > 0:35:56- ..and the problem - is just as bad as it has ever been.
0:35:57 > 0:35:59- It's time we tried - something different.
0:36:00 > 0:36:01- Over to you, Guto.
0:36:02 > 0:36:04- This side of the room - is also divided.
0:36:04 > 0:36:08- You disagree - with legalizing cannabis.
0:36:10 > 0:36:11- Why is that?
0:36:12 > 0:36:15- I understand - the arguments for legalizing.
0:36:15 > 0:36:18- But legalizing - for medicinal use now...
0:36:18 > 0:36:21- ..could lead to worse - health problems in the future.
0:36:22 > 0:36:28- There is the danger of addiction - and experimenting with other drugs.
0:36:29 > 0:36:31- You disagree too.
0:36:32 > 0:36:37- We have to assess the short-term - and long-term effects first.
0:36:39 > 0:36:44- Are there other options - we can consider...
0:36:44 > 0:36:48- ..before we contemplate - legalizing something so strong...
0:36:50 > 0:36:53- ..which has so many - negative connotations?
0:36:54 > 0:37:00- However, you, in the middle here, - agree with Mr Jones.
0:37:00 > 0:37:03- You want cannabis legalized.
0:37:04 > 0:37:09- The economic argument - is very powerful.
0:37:09 > 0:37:15- Colorado collected 63 million - in tax dollars in a single year.
0:37:16 > 0:37:22- All that money could be collected - and ploughed into the NHS.
0:37:23 > 0:37:26- It would then help - all kinds of conditions.
0:37:29 > 0:37:34- Do we want to risk our nation's - health for our financial benefit?
0:37:36 > 0:37:42- The moral question arises, should - we all profit from drug addiction?
0:37:45 > 0:37:50- People are profiting - from supplying drugs right now.
0:37:50 > 0:37:54- The problem is, they're criminals.
0:37:56 > 0:38:00- If the state benefits instead, it - will invest in the health service.
0:38:01 > 0:38:06- At the moment, we've got organised - crime groups supplying the drugs...
0:38:08 > 0:38:12- ..and they are pocketing - all the profits.
0:38:13 > 0:38:14- Back to you, Glesni.
0:38:15 > 0:38:17- Gareth?
0:38:18 > 0:38:22- People do say it would be immoral - to legalize cannabis.
0:38:22 > 0:38:27- Many people these days think - it's immoral not to legalize it.
0:38:29 > 0:38:34- Many of those who are addicted - aren't hardened criminals.
0:38:38 > 0:38:43- They are just people - who need help.
0:38:44 > 0:38:49- legalizing cannabis will help them - come forward for help.
0:38:50 > 0:38:54- The NHS should then be able - to take steps to find ways...
0:38:55 > 0:38:58- ..of helping people - trapped in cannabis addiction.
0:38:59 > 0:39:00- Guto.
0:39:01 > 0:39:04- Is legalizing cannabis - worth the risk?
0:39:04 > 0:39:05- I'm in favour.
0:39:07 > 0:39:10- The scale of production - can be controlled...
0:39:11 > 0:39:14- ..and which chemicals go into it.
0:39:15 > 0:39:17- What about the social question?
0:39:17 > 0:39:20- Should we send the message - that taking drugs is okay?
0:39:21 > 0:39:25- We have to accept the reasons - for legalizing it.
0:39:25 > 0:39:29- Legalizing it would bring - regulation to the industry.
0:39:30 > 0:39:33- Under the control - of the government...
0:39:33 > 0:39:37- ..it would be subject to the - same laws as every other product.
0:39:37 > 0:39:41- Only pharmacists and doctors - could prescribe it.
0:39:41 > 0:39:43- You couldn't buy it in a shop.
0:39:43 > 0:39:46- Alcohol is controlled by government.
0:39:46 > 0:39:49- Some of you can't buy it tonight.
0:39:50 > 0:39:52- That's the case - for all prescription drugs.
0:39:53 > 0:39:58- A government-regulated supply is - much better than criminal suppliers.
0:39:59 > 0:40:03- From what you've heard, do you think - cannabis would benefit our society?
0:40:03 > 0:40:06- Definitely, as a medicine.
0:40:07 > 0:40:09- Are you as Crime Commissioner...
0:40:10 > 0:40:14- ...worried about the harm legalizing - cannabis might do to society?
0:40:15 > 0:40:17- To be honest, no.
0:40:17 > 0:40:21- I have many friends - who come from Portugal.
0:40:22 > 0:40:27- Portugal stopped criminalizing - the use of all drugs in 2001.
0:40:28 > 0:40:31- The level of drug use in Portugal - has dropped since then.
0:40:32 > 0:40:36- I don't think legalizing it - will result in increased usage.
0:40:36 > 0:40:41- Staying with the theme, - but a different aspect perhaps.
0:40:42 > 0:40:46- You spoke recently about creating - fix rooms for heroin users.
0:40:49 > 0:40:52- What's the theory behind that idea?
0:40:54 > 0:41:00- We've had problems in Wrexham with - people drug-dealing on the streets.
0:41:02 > 0:41:05- Some were injecting on the street.
0:41:05 > 0:41:10- Fix rooms are for drug users - to use to take their drugs.
0:41:14 > 0:41:17- These rooms - would have medical advice on hand.
0:41:17 > 0:41:21- Heroin users often die because - they have to hide their addiction.
0:41:21 > 0:41:24- They overdose - and there's no-one there to help.
0:41:25 > 0:41:28- Glesni, some reaction.
0:41:28 > 0:41:31- What's your reaction - to cannabis and heroin addiction?
0:41:32 > 0:41:35- I don't think fix rooms - are a good idea.
0:41:36 > 0:41:40- They'll take the heroin in the rooms - and then suffer on the street.
0:41:40 > 0:41:45- They are still on the street - even if they shoot up safely.
0:41:46 > 0:41:51- It also legitimizes taking heroin - when that is clearly wrong.
0:41:55 > 0:42:00- If you are already addicted, - criminalizing clearly hasn't worked.
0:42:00 > 0:42:03- That's been the pattern - for 50 years.
0:42:03 > 0:42:05- The fix rooms would also solve...
0:42:06 > 0:42:09- ..the problem of needles - being left on the streets.
0:42:10 > 0:42:13- It's a danger to children.
0:42:14 > 0:42:18- Fix rooms mean they are supplied - with needles, which they give back.
0:42:19 > 0:42:21- No needles on the street.
0:42:22 > 0:42:26- It won't solve all the problems - but it is a way forward.
0:42:26 > 0:42:28- One voice from the back.
0:42:29 > 0:42:32- I agree with - the idea of fix rooms...
0:42:34 > 0:42:39- ..because otherwise people will - keep taking it on the streets...
0:42:44 > 0:42:49- ..and they should regulate - how people get their fix.
0:42:50 > 0:42:51- Guto.
0:42:52 > 0:42:55- Do you agree with fix rooms?
0:42:56 > 0:42:58- I disagree with fix rooms.
0:42:59 > 0:43:04- Although they offer sterile, clean - environments for drug users...
0:43:05 > 0:43:11- ..it also encourages them to - continue or increase their drug use.
0:43:15 > 0:43:17- Do you agree?
0:43:18 > 0:43:20- I disagree entirely.
0:43:20 > 0:43:26- It'll be a way of keeping - a record of the heavy drug-takers.
0:43:26 > 0:43:31- It also offers society - a route to trying to help them.
0:43:35 > 0:43:40- A record would be all well and good, - but you still won't know...
0:43:40 > 0:43:46- ..what these people are doing - outside those fix rooms.
0:43:46 > 0:43:50- Will we know whether fix rooms - are encouraging them further?
0:43:51 > 0:43:53- An encouragement - rather than an impediment?
0:43:54 > 0:43:58- It isn't an encouragement. - These people are addicted.
0:43:58 > 0:44:03- I'm sure most of you here have never - smoked but I smoked for years...
0:44:03 > 0:44:06- ..and I can tell you - how difficult it is to give up.
0:44:07 > 0:44:10- Drugs are no different - or alcohol as such.
0:44:11 > 0:44:13- Just taking it away doesn't work.
0:44:14 > 0:44:17- If you are addicted, you will - find your fix by hook or by crook.
0:44:20 > 0:44:24- All we would be doing - is making it safer.
0:44:27 > 0:44:31- Many deaths occur because of - the impurities in the drug itself.
0:44:31 > 0:44:34- Taking it as a prescription - in a fix room...
0:44:35 > 0:44:39- ..makes it so much less likely - to kill you.
0:44:40 > 0:44:44- We have to move on. - Thanks to everyone for contributing.
0:44:44 > 0:44:46- We have one last subject.
0:44:47 > 0:44:50- Arfon Jones is renowned - for some controversial tweets.
0:44:53 > 0:44:57- Guto has someone with - a specific question for you.
0:44:57 > 0:45:00- What is that question?
0:45:00 > 0:45:03- Should you be - more careful on Twitter?
0:45:04 > 0:45:09- As the Crime Commissioner, - you should set us an example.
0:45:09 > 0:45:13- I'm also a politician and I want - to know what people think.
0:45:14 > 0:45:18- A good way of getting a reaction - is to be controversial.
0:45:19 > 0:45:23- Hands up, I admit I've been - very controversial over the years.
0:45:24 > 0:45:27- It works well and I normally - get quite a positive reaction.
0:45:28 > 0:45:32- I put the idea about drugs - out on Twitter.
0:45:32 > 0:45:37- The Daily Post picked it up - and it was shared 3,000 times.
0:45:38 > 0:45:40- For someone like me...
0:45:40 > 0:45:44- ..who wants to gauge - public opinion on certain issues...
0:45:44 > 0:45:48- ..then social media works a treat - and it's fun.
0:45:49 > 0:45:53- Have you regretted - putting anything on Twitter?
0:45:53 > 0:45:56- What about the bomb and GCHQ?
0:45:59 > 0:46:02- That didn't quite go - as my opponent expected.
0:46:03 > 0:46:06- I'm more careful - since being elected...
0:46:06 > 0:46:09- ..but I do prod - to get a reaction.
0:46:10 > 0:46:12- What do you think of social media?
0:46:15 > 0:46:19- As someone with a lot of power, - I think you need to be more careful.
0:46:23 > 0:46:26- Social media is a brilliant way...
0:46:27 > 0:46:32- ..of getting a message across - and explaining yourself.
0:46:33 > 0:46:37- However, even kids like us - have to be careful what we say.
0:46:39 > 0:46:42- In one sentence, Arfon Jones, - what would you like to achieve...
0:46:42 > 0:46:46- ..in your time as North Wales - Police and Crime Commissioner?
0:46:47 > 0:46:52- I hope I can achieve something - with drug enforcement.
0:46:52 > 0:46:58- I would also like to reduce the - number of domestic violence cases.
0:46:58 > 0:47:00- Those are the targets.
0:47:01 > 0:47:04- Thank you for joining us.
0:47:06 > 0:47:08- Thanks for your contributions too.
0:47:10 > 0:47:13- Hacio will be back - at 10.00pm next Thursday.
0:47:13 > 0:47:15- For tonight, goodnight.
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