Carlos Acosta, Ballet Dancer

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:00:05. > :00:15.climbed by nearly 40% on last year. -- for this time. Stand by for

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:00:17. > :00:22.HARDtalk comes from the Royal Ballet in central London. My guest

:00:22. > :00:28.is one of the world's greatest dancers, Carlos Acosta. He was born

:00:28. > :00:34.in Fidel Castro's Cuba. His father was a truck driver. For the last

:00:34. > :00:39.are two decades, he has been thrilling audiences around the

:00:39. > :00:44.world. In ballet, he says there is beauty and freedom, and also pain

:00:45. > :00:54.and sacrifice. Could that be a sign that his career is about to move in

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:01:08. > :01:14.Carlos Acosta, welcome to HARDtalk. Right now, you are preparing for a

:01:14. > :01:20.performance of Romeo and Juliet in a new venue. That fascinates me. It

:01:20. > :01:28.is not a traditional ballet venue at all. 15,000 seats to fill in

:01:28. > :01:33.what is usually a rock and roll the venue. Are you daunted by that?

:01:33. > :01:42.think it will be a hard space to dance because we lose that intimacy

:01:42. > :01:48.that is needed for ballet. The ballet is a visual art. You have to

:01:48. > :01:55.be able to see it, not see it. You have to be close enough so you can

:01:55. > :02:02.connect with the ballet and the story and the expression and so on.

:02:02. > :02:07.They will have to rely on screening. Those people higher up, where ever

:02:07. > :02:11.they are, they can see what is going on. The idea is great. The

:02:11. > :02:16.idea is to reach out and make ballet accessible for everyone.

:02:16. > :02:21.This is a great idea. I really think that it is a really good

:02:21. > :02:29.cause. The have been dancing for more than 20 years. I suspect

:02:29. > :02:39.people have been talking to you about making ballet more accessible.

:02:39. > :02:44.Do you think it has changed in that respect? I think it has. I still

:02:44. > :02:54.think we should do more. The whole world, the world we live in today,

:02:54. > :02:59.has to be represented on stage. In our recent history, we need to push

:02:59. > :03:04.it to the limits to balance the situation, I feel, because every

:03:04. > :03:09.situation we represent on our stage at... When you see and ballet, I

:03:09. > :03:14.want to make sure that I can be a prince and everyone can be a prince

:03:14. > :03:21.and I think that can be fair and I think we should do more about that.

:03:21. > :03:25.You have been a Prince many times on stage. You get up on stage, you

:03:25. > :03:30.give people enormous pleasure with your performances and you go

:03:30. > :03:37.through a new talked about it very openly, incredible pain, but to do

:03:38. > :03:47.it. Playing Romeo in Romeo and Juliet, it makes you dance almost

:03:48. > :03:50.

:03:50. > :03:54."till I drop dead." You will feel like dying? It is wonderful here.

:03:54. > :04:01.These people have danced the role before, they know what I am talking

:04:01. > :04:11.about. It is part of my life. It is almost impossible to be 100% when

:04:11. > :04:14.

:04:14. > :04:20.you have to expose your body too many hours of hammering and jumping.

:04:20. > :04:25.I say that stance is a religion. All that word you have to put in

:04:25. > :04:35.just for the pleasure of the audience. Correct to make dance is

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:05:00. > :05:06.You have said several times in the past that frankly, you get a little

:05:06. > :05:13.bit bored with some of the classical repertoire. You said Swan

:05:13. > :05:21.Lake was, there comes a point when you are not up for doing Swan Lake

:05:21. > :05:25.one more time. How do you keep the roles of fresh, keep it and you?

:05:25. > :05:34.Going back to Swan Lake, the problem is, after you have done it

:05:34. > :05:42.so much, there is no room for you to grow. You try to keep your love

:05:42. > :05:48.for as what people expect of you. - - keep your level. How many times

:05:48. > :05:55.can you do this one and keep it fresh? I feel I need challenges and

:05:55. > :06:01.right now, on my stage, Swan Lake does not challenge me. Is that one

:06:01. > :06:06.reason why you find it difficult in Cuba, looking at the state of

:06:06. > :06:13.ballet there. You have described it as being stuck with a very

:06:14. > :06:23.traditional, a small, conservative approach. A birth repertoire there

:06:23. > :06:31.has been stuck for a while. -- the repertoire there. I think it comes

:06:31. > :06:36.down to the artistic choices. It is not fair for the dancers. Dancers

:06:36. > :06:43.need to be challenged all the time. You need to bring new energy to the

:06:43. > :06:50.repertoire. Otherwise, if you only have to look forward to Swan Lake,

:06:50. > :06:56.a sleeping beauty, where will you go? The world out there is doing

:06:56. > :07:03.these wonderful works. This is the system that created year. If it was

:07:03. > :07:12.not for the disciplined and conservatism commitment in Cuba to

:07:12. > :07:16.old style ballet, you would not be the dancer you are. The system

:07:16. > :07:20.works and it is great. When you have the base, you need to keep on

:07:20. > :07:27.and keep going and you need to be part of what is going on out there

:07:27. > :07:32.in the world, with a new creations. When I am talking about Swan Lake

:07:32. > :07:36.as a classic, I am not saying it in disrespectful stock they have the

:07:36. > :07:43.most wonderful technique and the most basic form of dance. At the

:07:43. > :07:49.same time, you need to evolve. You have to project your dance to the

:07:49. > :07:54.future and to create new ways of expression, otherwise, we are stuck

:07:54. > :08:00.in a vehicle that has been created in the 1800s. Where do we go from

:08:00. > :08:05.now? We need to create our own vehicle. We want to talk about your

:08:05. > :08:10.creative vehicle. Before we go there, let us talk about Cuba for a

:08:10. > :08:15.little while longer. People watching this do not know your

:08:15. > :08:20.story. It is a remarkable story. It really hinges on your father. If

:08:20. > :08:27.your father had not forced you to go to ballet school, coming out of

:08:27. > :08:32.a poor neighbourhood, one of 11 children in a poor family, if he

:08:32. > :08:39.had not made that decision and forced you to go, your life would

:08:39. > :08:48.have been entirely different. father made me go best answer I was

:08:48. > :08:54.three years old. I was living in a very a run-down part of Havana. I

:08:54. > :08:58.was a street kid. There was this fashion craze about break dancing

:08:58. > :09:06.and I had this our own club of break dancing around eight or nine

:09:06. > :09:15.years odd. I did not like school very much. But I could dance. I

:09:15. > :09:20.could break dance. I used to do the Michael Jackson moves. My father

:09:20. > :09:24.saw I was heading towards delinquency so someone recommended

:09:24. > :09:29.this ballet school which was in the centre of the city and he did not

:09:29. > :09:34.think twice. The next thing I knew, I was in a ballet class. I really

:09:34. > :09:39.hated it. Anyone who does not know anything about ballet, when you

:09:39. > :09:48.start, you and nine years old and you start learning it, it can be

:09:48. > :09:53.the most tedious thing. All these movements, you are falling asleep.

:09:53. > :09:59.As a kid, you can run on the street and be play for, which is what I

:09:59. > :10:05.wanted to do. Yes, it was painful. Look at the progress she knew made.

:10:05. > :10:12.By 16 years old, you were winning international prizes in Europe.

:10:12. > :10:20.Just a couple of years before, you still hated it. What was this which

:10:20. > :10:25.that changed your mind? -- what was it. I saw a professional production

:10:25. > :10:30.for the first time. That was when I fell in love and with it. I was

:10:30. > :10:35.always told by my teachers that I had something. I could learn

:10:35. > :10:40.quickly. I liked that attention. For once, I felt like I could do

:10:40. > :10:44.something because I always had this complex that I was no good.

:10:44. > :10:49.Teachers would choreograph May, pick me, in front of a crowd of

:10:49. > :10:56.people. I liked the way I felt about this attention. I wanted

:10:56. > :11:03.Morar. That is why I began to have this love with dance. I realised it

:11:03. > :11:09.could change my life and my family's life. We think about the

:11:09. > :11:19.way you were groomed to be one of the great dancers. You had a great

:11:19. > :11:20.

:11:20. > :11:28.teacher. She is a figurehead of Cuban dance. For many years, her

:11:28. > :11:35.dance school was way Fidel Castro's students could express high art. It

:11:35. > :11:45.was a regimented and disciplined way. Did you find it oppressive,

:11:45. > :11:46.

:11:46. > :11:52.working with her? Not at all. She was the founder. Together with her

:11:52. > :11:58.ex-husband, they were the founders of the dance movement in Cuba. They

:11:58. > :12:08.found a source where everybody else came from and it is almost like a

:12:08. > :12:14.parents. I think she always had, she made the whole nation proud.

:12:14. > :12:19.You need to be very grateful for that. They are always going to be

:12:19. > :12:28.the founder of the movement and will always, in my case, they will

:12:28. > :12:32.You maintained a good relationship with her and for ballet and the

:12:32. > :12:38.Cuban government. It seems to me you were lucky in a way because

:12:38. > :12:45.many Cuban dances, quality dancers, have not been given the options you

:12:45. > :12:53.were given to pursue your career abroad. Trained at home and expand

:12:53. > :12:58.your horizons overseas. I was lucky. That is true. I feel

:12:58. > :13:04.for those people who felt they should go abroad in order to dance

:13:04. > :13:14.and feel fulfilled. Even this year, we had in Canada,

:13:14. > :13:17.

:13:17. > :13:20.five top dancers from the National Ballet defect.

:13:20. > :13:28.The tis a logical course. It is understandable and we need to

:13:28. > :13:38.change it. -- it is a logical course.

:13:38. > :13:39.

:13:39. > :13:46.If you don't have space to grow, what is the point? If all I have at

:13:46. > :13:52.the end of the day to keep me alive his dance, I'm going to learn

:13:52. > :14:02.something and evolve as an artist. If I don't have that, what is the

:14:02. > :14:09.

:14:09. > :14:13.point? I -- if you close that, there is no point.

:14:13. > :14:17.Because you walk this fine line, maintaining a good relationship

:14:17. > :14:22.with the government but pursuing your career overseas, have you feel

:14:22. > :14:26.when this year you are given the top prize in the country, the

:14:26. > :14:35.National Dance Prize, everyone salutes you and in the citation of

:14:35. > :14:41.the award, they call you an artist who loves the revolution - had you

:14:41. > :14:51.feel when you see those words? The revolution, I am a product of

:14:51. > :14:54.

:14:54. > :14:57.the revolution. I was very poor. You feel if you had been the same

:14:57. > :15:07.child brought up in the United Kingdom from that poor background,

:15:07. > :15:09.

:15:09. > :15:16.no way you could have been so successful?

:15:16. > :15:21.How would I buy my shoes and gear? My salary was able to maintain my

:15:21. > :15:25.entire family. The feel when you're dancing with

:15:25. > :15:30.stars from Russia and Eastern Europe, the United States, whatever,

:15:30. > :15:37.is there something Cuban and Latin about the way you do ballet?

:15:37. > :15:42.A I think so. Definitely! How do you define that?

:15:43. > :15:50.Cuban is a very eclectic race. We inherit so many cultures along the

:15:50. > :15:56.way, Spanish, African, Chinese - it is a melting pot. After being in

:15:56. > :16:02.the Caribbean with the Sun and the sea and the drums, you cannot help

:16:02. > :16:08.but bring been Cuban to your art form. At the end of the day,

:16:08. > :16:15.everyone has a different way of expressing love. We bring our own

:16:15. > :16:19.identity in to whatever role. If there is something distinctly

:16:19. > :16:23.Cuban and Latin about your art, it seems there is something complex

:16:24. > :16:29.going on in your life because your art has taken you an awful long way

:16:29. > :16:32.from Havana. You had said your hard still lies in Havana but the fact

:16:32. > :16:41.is your career choices have separated you from your family,

:16:41. > :16:46.from your city, from your country. I wonder how you deal with that?

:16:46. > :16:50.I have created many defence mechanisms. It is easier now. I

:16:50. > :16:55.have my fiancee. It is always great to have a partner.

:16:55. > :17:01.I have sorry to be personal but she is not Cuban.

:17:01. > :17:07.-- I am sorry. So you made a choice there too.

:17:07. > :17:12.You're wrote an autobiography entitled No Way Home.

:17:12. > :17:22.Are you moving further away? Home is the neighbourhood where I

:17:22. > :17:26.was born. Of course I will never be able to go back. I'm dealing with

:17:26. > :17:34.all those thoughts and memories, trying not to think that much and

:17:34. > :17:41.trying to concentrate on moving forward. I am grateful, at the end

:17:42. > :17:46.of the day. Artists' pay a price and that is the price. At the same

:17:46. > :17:53.time, I would not do it any other way.

:17:53. > :18:01.We talked about Alicia Alonso. She is the great figurehead of Cuban

:18:01. > :18:05.Ballet. When she finally retires, would you like to be the next

:18:05. > :18:15.leader of the Cuban National Ballet?

:18:15. > :18:19.

:18:19. > :18:28.I always say no. The National Ballet of Cuba is Alicia Alonso's

:18:28. > :18:34.work, her legacy. I want to find a new way, a bridge from Cuba to the

:18:34. > :18:38.world. If you want to study dance or anything you want to do, you can

:18:38. > :18:45.come there, not ask permission from anyone. I want to have my own

:18:45. > :18:49.company to try and formed the dances of today. So a classical

:18:49. > :18:54.dancer can move from any dance style.

:18:54. > :18:58.You want to find a fusion? We talk about your training that is deeply

:18:58. > :19:04.classical and conservative but it seems, increasingly in your dance,

:19:04. > :19:11.life, Korea, you want to find more bridges to Latin beats and salsa

:19:11. > :19:16.and so one. This is the world. It is unlimited.

:19:16. > :19:22.A classical ballet dancer, if you are a principal dancer, you need to

:19:22. > :19:31.be able to dance anything. Contemporary, the larger, you can

:19:31. > :19:36.even incorporate couple where that we see in contemporary dance, plus

:19:36. > :19:43.dance classical at the highest level. That is the dancer we are

:19:43. > :19:51.looking for, who can move anywhere. This is the dance I would like to

:19:51. > :19:54.form. Do not limit yourself to one tradition and 1 formation.

:19:54. > :20:02.How much longer will you keep dancing.

:20:02. > :20:10.As long as I can still deliver freshness and I don't make a fool

:20:10. > :20:16.of myself because I respect my audience too much. If I feel like I

:20:16. > :20:24.still have something to give. Maybe three more years. It all depends.

:20:25. > :20:32.Some times it seems your mood catches up with you. You have

:20:32. > :20:36.talked about the pain in your hips, ask yourself whether it was worth

:20:37. > :20:40.it. You have said that the art is beautiful and someone has to do it.

:20:40. > :20:50.The point is it does not have to be you.

:20:50. > :20:54.

:20:54. > :21:04.I think I have what it takes. I think sometimes it is difficult to

:21:04. > :21:04.

:21:04. > :21:09.know when it is the right time. Hopefully I still represent the

:21:09. > :21:19.quality people like from my dancing. It is not very far away now.

:21:19. > :21:21.

:21:21. > :21:27.Really? You say that with a smile.

:21:27. > :21:34.Ballet is like an old marriage. You have this partner and kids and you

:21:34. > :21:44.spend 30 years married and for some reason, you don't feel like you can

:21:44. > :21:52.

:21:52. > :21:56.be together any more. That is ballet. It is very difficult to

:21:56. > :22:02.assert that truth. On the other hand, you have taken

:22:02. > :22:07.yourself in different directions. I saw reports you were writing a book.

:22:07. > :22:13.You have written an autobiography but you were writing a book about

:22:13. > :22:18.Cuba and facing on the story of particular individuals and family

:22:18. > :22:22.going all away from slavery in the 1,800s all the way to present day.

:22:22. > :22:28.What has happened to that question markets is nearly complete.

:22:28. > :22:34.I am still in editing. Sometimes you don't know if it is any good.

:22:34. > :22:40.You need readers. I have written in Spanish and it is difficult to find

:22:40. > :22:44.readers here to read in Spanish. It is a work in progress. It is

:22:44. > :22:53.already finished but we are changing the structure. I think it

:22:53. > :23:00.is something good. I want the reader to have fun and give some

:23:00. > :23:07.sense of Cuban history but it is completely fictional.

:23:07. > :23:11.We say it is fiction -- you say it is fiction but it has made you

:23:11. > :23:18.think about your homeland, its history to its president. Just the

:23:18. > :23:20.other day, Obama was talking about change in Cuba and said, we see

:23:20. > :23:25.change but we need to see a whole lot more.

:23:25. > :23:30.Do you think Cuba is on the brink of, maybe, a Cuban spring -

:23:30. > :23:35.fundamental change? I think it is changing but it is up

:23:35. > :23:40.to Cubans to change it. Cuba is our home. It is wrong for anybody to go

:23:40. > :23:47.to your home and tell you how you should rearrange the furniture. It

:23:47. > :23:54.is up to Cubans to change it. I think it is. Not as rapidly as