:00:05. > :00:11.The headlines: Britain's top police officer, Sir Paul Stephenson, has
:00:11. > :00:16.resigned. He is the latest casualty in a scandal over foreign hacking
:00:16. > :00:19.in Rupert Murdoch's newspaper group. Rebekah Brooks was arrested in
:00:19. > :00:23.London on suspicion of phone hacking and corruption. She has
:00:23. > :00:28.since been bailed. A large crowd of government
:00:28. > :00:33.supporters has held a rally in the Syrian capital Damascus. It came as
:00:33. > :00:39.Syrian forces intensified military campaign to crush the country's
:00:39. > :00:42.uprising. 30 people have been killed in clashes.
:00:42. > :00:47.A senior adviser to the Afghan president has been killed in an
:00:47. > :00:51.attack on his home in Kabul. Jan Mohammad Khan was a former
:00:51. > :01:01.provincial governor. Security forces battled gunman outside his
:01:01. > :01:09.
:01:10. > :01:12.house after the attack. Now it is time for HARDtalk. Six
:01:12. > :01:15.months ago, Egyptians were beginning to think the unthinkable.
:01:15. > :01:19.In Tahrir Square demonstrators called for a new kind of politics
:01:19. > :01:23.and eventually managed to remove the 30 year Mubarak dictatorship.
:01:23. > :01:26.Christians hoped for greater tolerance. Women hoped for a bigger
:01:26. > :01:32.voice. But since then churches have been attacked, women harassed and
:01:32. > :01:35.Islamist parties say they expect a majority in the September elections.
:01:35. > :01:40.I speak with Mona Makram-Ebeid, a politician, a feminist and a Coptic
:01:40. > :01:50.Christian. On all three grounds, might the future be worse than the
:01:50. > :02:17.
:02:17. > :02:20.Mubarak past? Welcome to HARDtalk. Thank you. I know you plan to spend
:02:20. > :02:27.in the September elections, how many women do you think will get
:02:27. > :02:31.elected? Will get elected? I don't really know. We have asked for the
:02:31. > :02:39.electoral law to be changed to a proportional representation which
:02:39. > :02:46.will give much more chance to women, to Christians and two young people
:02:46. > :02:51.who cannot participate on their own or run on their own. Is it
:02:51. > :02:56.practical to expect that to happen between now and September?
:02:56. > :03:01.Absolutely. The army is discussing this. We have put pressure on them
:03:01. > :03:06.to change the electoral law. Probably it will be. They will keep
:03:06. > :03:14.a percentage for individuals to run on their own. We hope it would be
:03:14. > :03:19.more than 30%-40%. The rest will be for the list. When you say we have
:03:19. > :03:22.asked, who is that? You say you will stand, but for which party?
:03:22. > :03:27.am debating now. I am very attracted by the new emerging
:03:27. > :03:34.parties. I think they have a lot of and I have a lot to offer them.
:03:34. > :03:41.They have asked me several times. What they need today is somebody
:03:41. > :03:46.who has political experience. That is what I can offer them. I feel
:03:46. > :03:50.enthused by the youth, their energy and dynamism. It is much more fun
:03:50. > :03:59.and challenging to be with them than to be with traditional parties.
:03:59. > :04:02.And yet, is it realistic to expect to be elected? Election is two once
:04:02. > :04:07.again you haven't decided on a party. How can you take a platform
:04:07. > :04:15.to voters without a party? I am nothing. I have run for elections
:04:15. > :04:18.three or four times before. Pastime was in 2010 and I made it. The
:04:18. > :04:23.government removed me. It was announced in all the newspapers and
:04:23. > :04:27.television that I made it. I would have been the first Christian woman
:04:27. > :04:30.in Egypt to have made it in elections. I am known in the
:04:30. > :04:36.districts and the constituencies that are rarely in. They're both
:04:36. > :04:42.north of Cairo. They are asking me all the time, like you, whether I
:04:42. > :04:47.will run or not. Probably I will. Let's take one issue, the economy.
:04:47. > :04:52.What would your platform be? What would you do to remedy the dire
:04:52. > :05:00.statistics about Egypt's economy - for example it has been contracting
:05:00. > :05:08.since the Arab Spring and - it is estimated that $30 billion has left
:05:08. > :05:10.Egypt. The stock market is operating at 25% its prior peak.
:05:10. > :05:14.Everything you say it is quite correct. This is the biggest
:05:14. > :05:19.challenge that Egypt is facing today - the economic crisis. It has
:05:19. > :05:25.to face it immediately and promptly. What we are scared of it is a
:05:25. > :05:28.revolution of a hungry this time, which would be much, much worse. I
:05:28. > :05:38.believe that the first thing to do is so CEO economic issues. To
:05:38. > :05:38.
:05:38. > :05:42.tackle them first. -- social and economic. Wages, employment,
:05:42. > :05:46.education and health. People must feel a sense of progress. People
:05:46. > :05:51.must feel that there is a difference before the revolution
:05:51. > :05:55.and after, otherwise they will be a kind of despair that takes place.
:05:55. > :05:58.That is not what we want. To say the economy is important and jobs
:05:58. > :06:03.are important is something that previous governments could have
:06:03. > :06:07.said. No, they never addressed social and economic issues. These
:06:07. > :06:14.issues are the ones that brought them down. That is why the people
:06:14. > :06:20.revolted. The people revolted for human dignity, for social justice,
:06:20. > :06:25.for freedom. These things were never addressed. What would you do
:06:25. > :06:29.to address them? I would not make selective reforms as the past
:06:29. > :06:33.government have done. They thought the priority was economic reform,
:06:33. > :06:39.it was role. You cannot do economic reform without looking at the
:06:39. > :06:44.political aspect and the social aspect. The social aspect is dire.
:06:44. > :06:53.We had shinty towns where people are living in sub-human conditions.
:06:53. > :06:57.On the other hand you have gated communities where Egypt can boast
:06:57. > :07:02.the most wealthy people in the world. This is not a healthy
:07:02. > :07:06.situation. This is the first situation that must be looked upon
:07:06. > :07:12.so we don't get a revolt of a hungry and a revolt of a hungry
:07:12. > :07:15.which will attack everyone. They will not leave any one. A last time
:07:15. > :07:19.you actually sat in Parliament, you mentioned 2010 When you were
:07:19. > :07:27.elected but didn't see it, you're a Member of Parliament between 1990-
:07:28. > :07:35.1995. At that point you work elected by President Mubarak. What
:07:35. > :07:43.makes you think they would get elected now? -- what makes you
:07:43. > :07:48.think that he would get elected. have been in the opposition for the
:07:48. > :07:51.past 20 years. I cannot be accused of being a supporter of the past
:07:51. > :07:55.regime. I disliked them completely and was one of their biggest
:07:55. > :07:59.critics, that is why I was left out of a lot of things when I could
:07:59. > :08:04.have been their shining star. Except, as we just pointed out, you
:08:04. > :08:09.were appointed.... Yes, that was a long time ago. About 15 years ago.
:08:09. > :08:16.A lot of things have changed since then and become worse. Today, I am
:08:16. > :08:20.quite well known. I particularly carry a very respected name by both
:08:21. > :08:24.communities, whether it is Muslim or Christian. They have a lot of
:08:24. > :08:28.respect for my family who has been in politics for the past hundred
:08:28. > :08:33.years. I was going to ask about that - is it possible for a woman
:08:33. > :08:38.to be prominent in politics without a family name? Without a dynasty?
:08:38. > :08:45.You have two sorts of women. Women who have a dynasty behind them, and
:08:46. > :08:48.this is my social capital, really, and others who are people of the
:08:48. > :08:55.street - whose serve - the grassroots, and who are known as
:08:55. > :09:03.such. You have both. I must admit that my name has helped me a lot.
:09:03. > :09:08.For women from either end of that spectrum - has Tahrir Square change
:09:08. > :09:15.the fundamentals? When Tahrir Square started and I would say that
:09:15. > :09:22.more than half of the people there were women. Women who chanted, who
:09:22. > :09:25.cried, who cared for the injured, who were enthusiastic, dynamic. I
:09:25. > :09:31.spent eight days with them and I know that the women were in great
:09:31. > :09:36.numbers. Also after that in the referendum in March they
:09:36. > :09:45.outnumbered men for their political participation. Now what happened
:09:45. > :09:48.after until now was an incomprehensible marginalisation of
:09:48. > :09:55.women. The idea that women can wait until we get away civilian
:09:55. > :09:59.government, then women and workers and so on could present the demands
:09:59. > :10:06.and aspirations, which is totally role. Two weeks ago we had an
:10:06. > :10:10.enormous conference of about 20 women and N G 0s. We ask that we
:10:10. > :10:13.should have an independent Federation for women today. We
:10:13. > :10:18.refuse to continue with the National Council for women, which
:10:18. > :10:22.was a state sponsor and organisation. It sounds like you
:10:22. > :10:26.have changed your opinion. In April he said you had an excellent Prime
:10:26. > :10:30.Minister, very well attuned to women's rights. He hasn't done much
:10:30. > :10:35.now, but I know that he hears. It is important for women to assert
:10:35. > :10:41.their rights, particularly in the area of political participation,
:10:41. > :10:45.employment.... No, No. I am not contradicting myself. I admire the
:10:45. > :10:48.Prime Minister. He has brought us in twice or three times to discuss
:10:48. > :10:53.why, and we told him why. He listens. Nothing has been done
:10:53. > :11:03.until now, but I know that he has his heart in the right place.
:11:03. > :11:05.
:11:05. > :11:11.Social justice - whether it is for women's aspirations war for
:11:11. > :11:16.Christian' demands. He listened and he agreed. I think the task is
:11:16. > :11:22.enormous for him now. I think that he will take into consideration the
:11:22. > :11:29.last recommendations we had in the meeting out of these in G Os -
:11:29. > :11:31.feminist in G Os. You say he listens, but there were no women on
:11:31. > :11:39.the committee drafting the constitutional amendments. That
:11:39. > :11:44.could have been an opportunity. This was the army who decided on
:11:44. > :11:47.who was in this committee of the amendments. No party was
:11:47. > :11:56.represented, only the Muslim Brotherhood were represented, no
:11:56. > :12:00.women were there. We were quite upset at both issues. What happened
:12:01. > :12:10.is that when the army came they came unexpectedly, almost never
:12:11. > :12:11.
:12:11. > :12:17.expected it. It was unthinkable, what happened. The only movement
:12:17. > :12:26.they saw was the Muslim Brotherhood. They were the only ones who could
:12:26. > :12:29.mobilise. They were the interlocutors. They ask that they
:12:29. > :12:35.could be on the committee, that they are prisoners could be
:12:35. > :12:39.released. The suspicion is today that they are in tandem, the Muslim
:12:39. > :12:43.Brotherhood and the army. I do not believe this. You believe it was
:12:43. > :12:48.because they wore organised? It was because they didn't find any one -
:12:48. > :12:52.the other parties were week, almost non-existent. They were not in
:12:52. > :12:55.Tahrir Square. The young ones were too young. The only organised once
:12:55. > :13:01.they found were the Muslim Brotherhood. That is what gives
:13:01. > :13:04.them, you know, this cloud today, his popularity. At tried to tap
:13:04. > :13:08.into this popularity to have the elections first. Which comes back
:13:08. > :13:13.to the question about whether women are sufficiently organised at this
:13:13. > :13:20.point in July for elections in two months time. And it ties in, to a
:13:20. > :13:24.big issue - the Mubarak regime was obviously secular, it was committed
:13:24. > :13:30.to keeping his lists in check. It was also committed to protecting
:13:30. > :13:33.women's rights. Some degree of positive discrimination. Keeping
:13:33. > :13:39.his lists in a cheque is not to repress them and harassment put
:13:39. > :13:43.them in prison. -- Islamists. That is exactly what gave them this
:13:43. > :13:49.enormous popularity which was almost a mystique. They were
:13:49. > :13:52.repressed and a press and harassed and imprisoned. As for women - I
:13:52. > :13:59.don't think much has been done for women. I don't deny that some
:13:59. > :14:04.things were made for women, but not really. The 64 seats that were
:14:04. > :14:11.allotted two women were taken by someone else. This is not really a
:14:11. > :14:15.way of empowering women. So it was tokenism? It was tokenism, of
:14:15. > :14:19.course it was. The National Council for women really did nothing, they
:14:19. > :14:22.belonged to the governing party. will come back to the question of
:14:22. > :14:27.Islamism in a moment. Coming back to the question of women and the
:14:27. > :14:32.election - there is one female presidential candidate, the first
:14:32. > :14:35.woman to run for President. A 49- year-old presidential candidate.
:14:35. > :14:41.She says she is not just a candidate for women, she runs for
:14:41. > :14:47.all of Egypt. What do you think the prospects are? None. At least she
:14:47. > :14:50.sets a precedent. It is wonderful and I have great admiration for her.
:14:50. > :14:57.They ask me to do the same thing but I didn't have the courage to..
:14:57. > :15:00.Why not? I am in great admiration of her, because you must set a
:15:00. > :15:04.precedent. The mentality of Egyptians to be accustomed to the
:15:04. > :15:10.idea that it is not a taboo that a woman could run for President. Even
:15:10. > :15:18.a Christian woman. Why did you not have the courage? Because I didn't
:15:18. > :15:22.have the courage. I don't want to be a kamikazes. A kamikaze? Yes, I
:15:22. > :15:32.don't have it. To run for President, that's it. Too much exposure and,
:15:32. > :15:35.
:15:35. > :15:41.You are one of the only female judges on the country. The other, I
:15:41. > :15:45.would love to see as president. said she's not afraid of more
:15:45. > :15:49.freedom. "It's only natural after decades of repression for all sorts
:15:49. > :15:52.of political and cultural forces to rise to the surface now. Some of
:15:52. > :15:58.those will be against human rights and a secular state." And against
:15:58. > :16:06.women. OK? Yes, I agree with her entirely. That was the topic of my
:16:06. > :16:11.talk when I spoke a few days ago at the House of Lords. I said that it
:16:11. > :16:15.is only natural that all these parties or people or - even the
:16:15. > :16:19.sell-fests - you never heard about them - who were suppressed, they
:16:19. > :16:29.find it exhilarating now to participate, but also to challenge
:16:29. > :16:31.
:16:31. > :16:34.everyone, and to frighten everyone. So, I know that they don't have it
:16:34. > :16:41.in their framework great respect for human rights, or for women, or
:16:41. > :16:48.for a secular state. But, you know, they are trying - they know the
:16:48. > :16:52.Egyptian - the Egyptian is a moderate. Whether it's a Muslim or
:16:52. > :16:55.a Christian, Egyptian Muslims are, in the majority, moderate. They do
:16:55. > :17:00.not want to be ruled by clerics. They do not want to have a
:17:00. > :17:05.theocracy. That is for sure. That's why, now, the Islamist parties are
:17:05. > :17:11.trying to put on a liberal face - not to frighten people - as you
:17:11. > :17:14.know, the new party - what is it called, the Justice and Freedom
:17:15. > :17:17.Party of the Muslim Brothers? They also have a vice-president. It's a
:17:17. > :17:21.joke, but it doesn't matter. We'll come back to that in a moment. Just
:17:21. > :17:25.on the question of people who are trying to frighten other people -
:17:25. > :17:28.going back to where we started six months ago - women sleeping quite
:17:28. > :17:31.safely alongside men in makeshift tents in Tahrir Square -
:17:31. > :17:35.LAUGHS But, in that case, no harassment,
:17:35. > :17:38.no threats of physical violence. It was an equal-opportunities
:17:38. > :17:44.demonstration, as we've discussed. And yet, by March, already, a
:17:44. > :17:48.woman's protest was attacked by a group of men, telling them to "Go
:17:48. > :17:51.home where they belonged," in their words. The women complaining
:17:51. > :17:55.afterwards that they were sexually harassed, beaten, and even
:17:55. > :18:00.threatened with knives. Are there grounds for being scared if you're
:18:00. > :18:05.a woman in Egypt today? If you're an activist woman, you don't feel
:18:05. > :18:10.very safe. And this is a pity, because today, we - as women -
:18:10. > :18:15.wanted to tour around upper Egypt and the countryside, and the
:18:15. > :18:20.villages - in order to raise the awareness of people of what it is
:18:20. > :18:27.this new era we're entering into. But, you know, it's not very safe
:18:27. > :18:35.today to go around. That's why we have asked NGOs to bring assistance
:18:35. > :18:39.to women to tour around the countryside and to be visible and,
:18:39. > :18:43.you know, to say we are there. not just women, is it? It's because
:18:43. > :18:48.of the lack of security. It's not the lack of - it's not anything
:18:48. > :18:54.against women that is new, but it is the lack of security today that
:18:54. > :18:58.holds back a lot of women from being more active at the grassroots
:18:58. > :19:02.level and more active in propagating or raising the
:19:02. > :19:08.awareness and so on. But this is temporary. I can tell you this, and
:19:08. > :19:11.I can tell you that, in the next election, a lot of women will
:19:11. > :19:14.participate. And many of them from the youth who participated in
:19:14. > :19:18.Tahrir Square. We ought to give some attention to the question of
:19:18. > :19:22.religious tolerance as well. Some of the same patterns seem to apply,
:19:22. > :19:25.some of the same insecurities. We mentioned, again, at the top,
:19:25. > :19:31.Muslims and Christians praying alongside each other in Tahrir
:19:31. > :19:34.Square. That was the most admirable sight that I have ever seen in my
:19:34. > :19:41.life, what I saw in Tahrir Square between the two communities.
:19:41. > :19:46.yet, within weeks, more attacks on churches, like we saw in May, most
:19:46. > :19:50.notably, a Cairo churched, burned, -- looted, burned - 15 people
:19:50. > :19:53.killed 2,00 injured. Some the authorities be doing more to
:19:53. > :19:57.prevent that kind of attack and provide security? Yes. Absolutely -
:19:57. > :20:01.they must have a deterrent, they must be more forceful in the
:20:01. > :20:06.punishment, and they must make examples of some of these thugs.
:20:06. > :20:10.Because it is thugs, really, who are perpetrating these incidents.
:20:10. > :20:16.You don't seize sea these thugs as related to the political process?
:20:16. > :20:22.Of course they are related. They might be tied to the old regime,
:20:22. > :20:27.because the old regime still has its loyalist supporters who would
:20:27. > :20:31.very much like to see that the revolution fails. And that this was
:20:31. > :20:36.all, you know, just a temporary thing and everything will come back.
:20:36. > :20:40.Now, you have these, and you have the state security police that has
:20:40. > :20:46.not been dismantled. So there hasn't been enough change, and that
:20:46. > :20:50.is why the people keep on going through Tahrir - because they are
:20:50. > :20:56.demanding that those who are responsible for killing the
:20:56. > :21:01.demonstrators should be brought to justice, and immediately. They're
:21:01. > :21:06.also asking for all the state security policemen, who are also
:21:06. > :21:16.culprits and who are released. you don't see this as part of the
:21:16. > :21:17.
:21:17. > :21:22.new political parties? To quote quote a Coptic analyst, "There's no
:21:22. > :21:27.doubt the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salahis are in cahoots. They
:21:27. > :21:32.want to make it into an Islamic state. Lots of people are worried.
:21:32. > :21:39.If Egypt becomans Islamist state, it means civil war." He's right.
:21:39. > :21:42.He's a bit radical. But he's right. The Christians are, you know, - I
:21:42. > :21:47.can't it elyou, they are so fierceful about everything that is
:21:47. > :21:54.happening. One of them had his ear chopped because he inrent -- he
:21:54. > :22:01.rented a house to a prostitute. The others saw, by themselve, some
:22:01. > :22:06.liquor stores being attacked and the threats of the cell Salahiss
:22:06. > :22:11.that any unveiled woman - they will throw acid on them. It's not a very
:22:11. > :22:17.comfortable situation either for the Christians, women, or the
:22:17. > :22:21.mothers of all Muslims. The muslm Brotherhood is suggesting its
:22:21. > :22:25.parties may now win not just 20%, as they claimed in February, but
:22:25. > :22:29.they could win 50% in September. They keep changing their minds.
:22:29. > :22:34.They have a forked dialogue. They can say things here and the other
:22:34. > :22:39.here. It's a pity because, as a political party, we were very happy
:22:39. > :22:42.that they were included in the political arena. I think the
:22:42. > :22:45.biggest mistake that was done by the past government was to harass
:22:46. > :22:49.them them and to do all this. I believe that once they are included
:22:49. > :22:54.in the political arena, they will lose this mystique. It's going to
:22:54. > :22:57.add to demystifying them. They will have to suggest programs - they
:22:57. > :23:04.have to be accountable. They have to be transparent, and so on -
:23:04. > :23:07.things that they are not used to. They had one opponent which was the
:23:07. > :23:13.government party. So is their opponent today. Do you believe the
:23:13. > :23:17.reassurance, for example, of Rafiq Habib, vice-president of their new
:23:17. > :23:22.Freedom and Justice Party, a well- known Coptic party? He says the new
:23:22. > :23:28.party has nearly 100 cops and nearly 1,000 women among its
:23:28. > :23:33.founding members. So? Reassuring? Not at all, but it's a gesture, as
:23:33. > :23:38.I say said. They're trying to put on a liberal face so as to reduce
:23:38. > :23:42.the fear and the scare of them. I don't think people should be scared
:23:43. > :23:48.of them. If they make it in a democratic way, fine. But what is
:23:48. > :23:51.the most important thing today is that the constitution should
:23:51. > :23:54.guarantee the lack of discrimination, the equal treatment
:23:54. > :24:00.of women, the equal treatment of Christians - none of these want to
:24:00. > :24:06.be looked upon as second-class citizens. As I told you, moderate
:24:06. > :24:09.Muslims do not want to be ruled by clerics, by no means, no matter how
:24:09. > :24:13.religious. People in Egypt are very religious, whether it is the
:24:14. > :24:19.Muslims or the Christians. They're very religious. I don't think that
:24:19. > :24:26.they would like to be ruled by clerics. And yet that constitution
:24:26. > :24:31.will emerge from a committee which is elected by the new House of
:24:31. > :24:34.Representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood parties have a majority
:24:34. > :24:38.on that, they have a big say. That's why, seeing the danger of
:24:38. > :24:43.all that, many people are worried and concerned, and I was one of
:24:43. > :24:49.them, in the groups that proposed something very similar to the Magna
:24:49. > :24:57.Carta or to the Bill of Rights, meaning that we want to have a sort
:24:57. > :25:04.of guarantee before the elections, which guarantees, also, some
:25:04. > :25:12.freedoms, and will protect the civic aspects of the society.
:25:12. > :25:17.yet as at this point in July, you haven't got those - This has been
:25:17. > :25:23.presented by the Sheikh, who has a lot of credibility and is highly
:25:23. > :25:30.respected, with some intellectuals around him. It has been respected
:25:30. > :25:33.by the Nobel Prize and presidential candidate Baradai, and by other
:25:33. > :25:38.groups, of whom I belong to one of them - the National Egyptian
:25:38. > :25:48.Council. Mona Makram-Ebeid, there we have to leave it. Thanks for
:25:48. > :26:01.
:26:01. > :26:05.Hello. It really didn't feel like Ju Jure this weekend. But
:26:05. > :26:08.the weather's not really changing much for the rest of this week.
:26:08. > :26:12.Expect it to stay rather cool and rather showery. Big lump of cloud,
:26:12. > :26:16.but all the rain on Saturday swirling back around it. We've seen
:26:16. > :26:19.a whole host of showers over the past 48 hours. Some strong breezes,
:26:19. > :26:22.too, and it's still going to be pretty blustery along the south
:26:22. > :26:26.coast of England in particular during the day today. So expect it
:26:26. > :26:29.to be breezy, expect it to feel chilly out there, and yes, expect
:26:29. > :26:32.more in the way of rain. Particularly dull and damp first
:26:32. > :26:36.thing across parts of Northern Ireland. A soggy Monday morning,
:26:36. > :26:39.especially along the north and the east coast. Some of this rain also
:26:39. > :26:42.affecting south-west Scotland. A pretty dismal Monday morning across
:26:42. > :26:45.much of north-west England. A lot of cloud here, and outbreaks of
:26:45. > :26:48.rain. Across Wales, too, it will be dull and there'll be further rain,
:26:48. > :26:52.particularly around the coast here, it will again be breezy. The winds
:26:52. > :26:57.not as strong as they were on Sunday, but nevertheless, there'll
:26:57. > :27:00.definitely be note -- they'll definitely be noticeable, making it
:27:00. > :27:02.chilly across parts of the south. Brighter spells and sunshine in the
:27:02. > :27:05.south and north. A whole host of showers also, some of which are
:27:06. > :27:08.likely to be quite lively, with the risk of thunder once more. The
:27:08. > :27:12.winds will be lighter across western Scotland. Here, it should
:27:12. > :27:16.actually be a much drier day, with sunny spells. Elsewhere across
:27:16. > :27:19.Scotland, slow-moving, heavy, thundery downpours, as there will
:27:19. > :27:21.be across parts of northern England. Grey across the north-west of
:27:21. > :27:24.England, through parts of Lincolnshire. Further south, there
:27:24. > :27:27.will be brighter spells and sunshine. That breeze will chase in
:27:27. > :27:30.showers once more. Showers will again be heavy, and possibly
:27:30. > :27:35.thundery. As I said, the winds across parts of the south maybe not
:27:35. > :27:38.as strong as they were on Sunday, but it will still feel cool in the
:27:38. > :27:41.breeze. Temperatures will struggle. High teens at best. Those
:27:41. > :27:44.temperatures fall by a few degrees when the showers come along. We're
:27:44. > :27:48.not done with the showers by Tuesday, either. That big swirl of
:27:48. > :27:52.cloud we saw earlier tied in with an area of low pressure, which
:27:52. > :27:55.slowly edges out into the North Sea on Tuesday. It does mean that,
:27:55. > :27:57.further away from the low, parts of the west may not see as many
:27:58. > :28:00.showers on Tuesday. A chance of it being drier and brighter for
:28:00. > :28:04.Northern Ireland and Wales. Elsewhere, there will be showers,
:28:04. > :28:07.and temperatures again - 20 at the very best. For most of the day, it
:28:07. > :28:10.will be stuck in the teens. Not getting any warmer, either. By
:28:10. > :28:13.Wednesday, we've still got a swirl from a weather front and another
:28:13. > :28:17.one perhaps threatening parts of the south to complicate matters.
:28:17. > :28:21.Expect it to be cloudy. Expect there to be outbreaks of rain.
:28:21. > :28:24.Don't expect temperatures to be too spectacular. Again, showers around