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0:00:12 > 0:00:14My guest nearly drank him self to death.
0:00:14 > 0:00:17He is one of the founding members of Guns n Roses,
0:00:17 > 0:00:20the rock band who became as well known for their bad behaviour
0:00:20 > 0:00:23as for their music.
0:00:23 > 0:00:26For McKagan that stopped when, as he puts it,
0:00:26 > 0:00:27his pancreas exploded.
0:00:27 > 0:00:30It prompted him to sober up, go to university and now
0:00:30 > 0:00:32alongside his finance column for Playboy,
0:00:32 > 0:00:34he has his own wealth management firm.
0:00:34 > 0:00:56How does a bad boy of rock become a businessman?
0:01:07 > 0:01:08Duff McKagan, welcome to HARDtalk.
0:01:08 > 0:01:09Thanks for having me here.
0:01:09 > 0:01:13Tell us about that moment, I suppose it was the moment that
0:01:13 > 0:01:15saved you, when your pancreas just gave up?
0:01:15 > 0:01:18Well, yes, I kind of found myself getting closer and closer
0:01:18 > 0:01:22to insanity as my drinking got worse and the drug intake got worse.
0:01:22 > 0:01:23I knew something would give.
0:01:23 > 0:01:30I even got to a point...
0:01:30 > 0:01:34The reason I wrote this book, so many people have asked me how did
0:01:34 > 0:01:41you get so bad?
0:01:41 > 0:01:45How many drugs did you do?
0:01:45 > 0:01:50To a normal person it would sound like a huge number,
0:01:50 > 0:01:51it would not mean anything.
0:01:51 > 0:01:54I wrote about the journey into my insanity.
0:01:54 > 0:01:57Fortunately for me my pancreas did go, or else I would have drowned
0:01:57 > 0:02:11in vomit or something.
0:02:12 > 0:02:12You nearly died.
0:02:12 > 0:02:15You were begging the surgeon to kill you.
0:02:15 > 0:02:16The pain was so great.
0:02:16 > 0:02:17It was a real wake-up call.
0:02:17 > 0:02:20I was given morphine and lithium for the alcohol withdrawal,
0:02:20 > 0:02:22it was a general detox off the alcohol.
0:02:22 > 0:02:25I was in the hospital for a couple of weeks.
0:02:25 > 0:02:28It gave me time to think about how I got there.
0:02:28 > 0:02:30I saw things in that hospital.
0:02:30 > 0:02:37I am the last of eight kids.
0:02:37 > 0:02:45I saw my mother coming in, she had Parkinson's.
0:02:45 > 0:02:54She came in and saw her youngest son with tubes running
0:02:54 > 0:03:00in and out of him.
0:03:00 > 0:03:02I was on my deathbed.
0:03:02 > 0:03:03She has Parkinson's.
0:03:03 > 0:03:05I knew the order of things was absolutely wrong right
0:03:05 > 0:03:07there and then.
0:03:07 > 0:03:11I thought if nothing else I will make it better for my mother.
0:03:11 > 0:03:15I will rise to the occasion of being a good son to my mother.
0:03:15 > 0:03:16That is what started my upward swing.
0:03:17 > 0:03:27OK.
0:03:27 > 0:03:30You talk about your pancreas exploding, you described it
0:03:30 > 0:03:34as third-degree burns on your internal organs.
0:03:34 > 0:03:36Yeah, what it felt like to me...
0:03:36 > 0:03:41It started as a small burning pain.
0:03:41 > 0:03:43I did not know what it was.
0:03:43 > 0:03:45I thought maybe I had some gas or something.
0:03:45 > 0:03:48I was lying in bed and the pain kind of spread.
0:03:48 > 0:03:56It just keeps on getting worse.
0:03:56 > 0:03:58Suddenly, it just went everywhere in my abdomen.
0:03:58 > 0:04:02I could not move.
0:04:02 > 0:04:04The enzymes that digest your food spilt out.
0:04:04 > 0:04:05How do you recover from that?
0:04:05 > 0:04:08Are you still feeling the effects?
0:04:08 > 0:04:11That was 17 years ago now.
0:04:11 > 0:04:14They cut out part of your pancreas?
0:04:14 > 0:04:15No, they did not.
0:04:15 > 0:04:17That was the miracle thing.
0:04:18 > 0:04:20Your pancreas expands, mine expanded to the size
0:04:20 > 0:04:26of an American football.
0:04:26 > 0:04:28The pancreas is not a large organ.
0:04:28 > 0:04:33It expanded and burst.
0:04:34 > 0:04:38My best friend found me upstairs.
0:04:38 > 0:04:44They took me to emergency.
0:04:44 > 0:04:48I knew about the effects of opiates...
0:04:48 > 0:04:51When I had the morphine and the pain was not going away I knew
0:04:52 > 0:04:54I was in trouble.
0:04:54 > 0:04:58The surgeon came and said that they would have to cut out some
0:04:58 > 0:05:05of the pancreas.
0:05:05 > 0:05:07And that I would be diabetic or whatever.
0:05:07 > 0:05:09That is when I asked, just kill me.
0:05:09 > 0:05:12The pain was so bad, the morphine was not doing
0:05:12 > 0:05:13anything for it.
0:05:13 > 0:05:16It was very real at that moment. Everything was very real.
0:05:16 > 0:05:18It happened because of the drinking.
0:05:18 > 0:05:20You say that normal people just don't understand.
0:05:20 > 0:05:23The quantity you described, you moved on to 10 bottles
0:05:23 > 0:05:27of wine a day?
0:05:27 > 0:05:29That is when I was trying to taper down.
0:05:29 > 0:05:31And you swapped vodka for wine.
0:05:31 > 0:05:32I went down from vodka.
0:05:32 > 0:05:36Give or take, many times give, a gallon of vodka a day.
0:05:36 > 0:05:48I was drinking ten bottles of wine a day.
0:05:48 > 0:05:51This is during the time of Guns n Roses, we are talking
0:05:52 > 0:05:52about years of abuse.
0:05:52 > 0:05:55Well, yeah.
0:05:55 > 0:05:58There were a good two and a half to three years that were brutal.
0:05:59 > 0:06:02I was self medicating panic attacks that I had from my teenage years.
0:06:02 > 0:06:06I thought I would deal with my panic attacks when I have time.
0:06:06 > 0:06:13Guess what folks?
0:06:13 > 0:06:19Rarely...
0:06:19 > 0:06:23Life is busy.
0:06:23 > 0:06:26You rarely get the time to deal with that thing
0:06:26 > 0:06:29you are self medicating for.
0:06:29 > 0:06:31I found booze could dampen down a panic attack.
0:06:31 > 0:06:33And I found it out fairly early.
0:06:33 > 0:06:39Let's go back.
0:06:39 > 0:06:421986, you describe this in your book, it is an autobiography,
0:06:42 > 0:06:46It's So Easy And Other Lies, you describe how one year in 1986
0:06:46 > 0:06:49the group members of Guns n Roses are in a one-room rented flat,
0:06:49 > 0:06:53no money, a pretty abysmal life.
0:06:53 > 0:06:59You are ransacking the girls' handbags to take money.
0:06:59 > 0:07:03Some of you are selling drugs, it is a pretty low of life for you,
0:07:03 > 0:07:07but within one year of that you have this best selling debut album
0:07:07 > 0:07:11of all time.
0:07:11 > 0:07:18That change must have been phenomenal?
0:07:18 > 0:07:22There is no how-to video or manual for what happens in your life
0:07:22 > 0:07:24when a record like our first record finally takes off.
0:07:24 > 0:07:27We all played in bands before Guns n Roses.
0:07:27 > 0:07:36We were used to punk-rock tours and living from hand to mouth,
0:07:36 > 0:07:41it was not that abysmal to us.
0:07:41 > 0:07:46We were just living.
0:07:46 > 0:07:54We had our band and we believed in our band.
0:07:54 > 0:07:56We were excited, we were 20 years old.
0:07:56 > 0:07:57Barely men. Not even men.
0:07:57 > 0:07:59We believed in the group.
0:07:59 > 0:08:03We finally got a record deal and we made the record
0:08:03 > 0:08:05that we wanted to make.
0:08:05 > 0:08:08We toured and toured, one year later the record took off.
0:08:08 > 0:08:12And the change was quite amazing.
0:08:12 > 0:08:14Let's have a reminder of one of those songs
0:08:14 > 0:08:15from that first album.
0:08:15 > 0:08:26OK.
0:08:26 > 0:08:40# Brave all the thunder and the rain.
0:08:40 > 0:08:42# To quietly pass me by.
0:08:42 > 0:08:51# Whoa, sweet child of mine.
0:08:51 > 0:08:55That was Sweet Child of Mine, that was at a time you were hiring
0:08:55 > 0:08:56private planes for your tours.
0:08:56 > 0:08:59In 1988 when that single came out, that is finally
0:08:59 > 0:09:00when the record took off.
0:09:00 > 0:09:09That went to number one in America.
0:09:09 > 0:09:12We were making $100 a week and then the records started selling.
0:09:12 > 0:09:16We came off that tour and I remember the first big cheque I got
0:09:16 > 0:09:24was for $80,000.
0:09:25 > 0:09:26It might as well have been $1 billion.
0:09:27 > 0:09:31I did not know anything about money.
0:09:31 > 0:09:34But I could not go to my elder brothers and sisters and ask,
0:09:34 > 0:09:37what do I do with $80,000?
0:09:37 > 0:09:40What is a stock and a bond?
0:09:40 > 0:09:42What is a savings account?
0:09:42 > 0:09:47What is a mortgage?
0:09:47 > 0:09:49What is in a mortgage? What is a loan?
0:09:49 > 0:09:51Getting that $80,000 was just a windfall.
0:09:51 > 0:09:59That was the beginning of a lot more cheques to come.
0:09:59 > 0:10:03When you listen to that music, and you think back, how do you feel?
0:10:03 > 0:10:08I listen to that song a lot.
0:10:08 > 0:10:12I do not spend a lot of time looking back.
0:10:12 > 0:10:14Going forward, my life's always going forward,
0:10:14 > 0:10:17I have two daughters, I have a business, I write two
0:10:17 > 0:10:24columns a week.
0:10:24 > 0:10:26Everything is so much in the present.
0:10:26 > 0:10:34Sitting down to write the stories in this book,
0:10:34 > 0:10:43for the first time I took some time and evaluated my thing, my life.
0:10:43 > 0:10:47How I got to that point.
0:10:47 > 0:10:49How I got out.
0:10:49 > 0:10:51What happened to me with Guns n Roses...
0:10:51 > 0:10:53And what happened with Velvet Revolver.
0:10:53 > 0:10:57All the bad stuff that happened, you always think it was someone
0:10:57 > 0:10:59else's fault, all the good things it was me involved.
0:10:59 > 0:11:03Writing the book, I was involved in some of the bad stuff.
0:11:03 > 0:11:09One of the charges against the group was a charge of misogyny,
0:11:09 > 0:11:14in part because of the first album cover.
0:11:14 > 0:11:17A picture of a robot standing over an assaulted woman.
0:11:17 > 0:11:22Robert Williams.
0:11:22 > 0:11:27She is exposed.
0:11:27 > 0:11:39Her knickers around her calves. And you were criticised for that.
0:11:39 > 0:11:44Also for the lyrics, "Turn around, bitch.
0:11:44 > 0:11:46I've got a use for you."
0:11:46 > 0:11:49Were you guilty of misogyny?
0:11:49 > 0:11:56I wrote those lyrics for that song.
0:11:56 > 0:12:03It was very much a tongue-in-cheek song.
0:12:03 > 0:12:04Not misogynist in any way.
0:12:05 > 0:12:07How do you explain it to your daughters?
0:12:07 > 0:12:10You have teenage daughters.
0:12:10 > 0:12:18There is a spirit of rock n roll that to me is far and above misogyny
0:12:18 > 0:12:27or homophobia or any of those things.
0:12:27 > 0:12:31There is just like this primal sex.
0:12:31 > 0:12:35And Rock'n'roll are just hand in hand.
0:12:36 > 0:12:40How would I explain it to my daughters?
0:12:40 > 0:12:43You make the point that you are responsible for some
0:12:43 > 0:12:45of this stuff.
0:12:45 > 0:12:47Isn't that spirit of rock'n'roll responsible for influencing people
0:12:47 > 0:12:54in the way that they see things?
0:12:54 > 0:12:56Um, I think...
0:12:56 > 0:13:01I give humans a lot more credit.
0:13:01 > 0:13:08If something I write influences them in a bad way,
0:13:08 > 0:13:16which I rarely ever hear about - 99.9% of the time people say to me,
0:13:16 > 0:13:19your music changed my life.
0:13:19 > 0:13:24It is always a positive thing.
0:13:24 > 0:13:27It is only one or two instances, usually something that happened
0:13:27 > 0:13:30at a concert, maybe someone falling in the mud and drowning,
0:13:30 > 0:13:34that is way more brutal for me.
0:13:34 > 0:13:37You had two fans crushed to death in 1988.
0:13:37 > 0:13:40At one of your concerts.
0:13:40 > 0:13:43The lifestyle that you were leading, the influence you must have had
0:13:43 > 0:13:47on people, part of it, we could not have made the music
0:13:47 > 0:13:49if it was not for what you're doing...
0:13:49 > 0:13:55What do you mean?
0:13:55 > 0:13:59There was one point at which he talked about : "We have
0:13:59 > 0:14:03to go out on the edge to get the songs that we got."
0:14:03 > 0:14:08I think so. Yes, you have to live.
0:14:08 > 0:14:16For honest rock and roll you cannot imagine, especially the subjects
0:14:16 > 0:14:19we are talking about, cops and crime.
0:14:19 > 0:14:25It is all about the life...
0:14:25 > 0:14:29The drink and drugs were essential to the rock music?
0:14:29 > 0:14:32To our songs - not essential to rock music, period.
0:14:32 > 0:14:36They were essential to that record that we made in 1986 that came
0:14:36 > 0:14:40out in '87.
0:14:40 > 0:14:43It was a record that spoke to an awful lot of people.
0:14:43 > 0:14:45I wonder if you think it influenced them.
0:14:45 > 0:14:49I think we were just being honest about what was going on around us.
0:14:49 > 0:14:52I think that's why it spoke to so many -
0:14:52 > 0:14:56because what was on the radio at that time in rock music was just
0:14:56 > 0:14:57sort of a lie.
0:14:57 > 0:15:01It was sprinkled-up pop-rock music, and it wasn't speaking to anybody.
0:15:02 > 0:15:08It was speaking to little girls who were going to the mall.
0:15:08 > 0:15:12And there was a whole rest of us who were out there that were living
0:15:12 > 0:15:16this real life, and if you remember, there was a recession in the early
0:15:16 > 0:15:19'80s and there were all these things that people my age lived through.
0:15:19 > 0:15:23We were this band - a lot of other bands like us
0:15:23 > 0:15:24were speaking the truth.
0:15:24 > 0:15:27There were great punk-rock bands and so on and so forth that
0:15:27 > 0:15:28were speaking the truth.
0:15:28 > 0:15:30It wasn't like we were making a political statement,
0:15:30 > 0:15:32or anything close to it.
0:15:32 > 0:15:36We just wrote honest songs about stuff we were going through.
0:15:36 > 0:15:39That it spoke to a lot of other people wasn't -
0:15:39 > 0:15:42were we trying to speak to a lot?
0:15:42 > 0:15:45We didn't think ten people would buy our record,
0:15:45 > 0:15:47but a lot more than that bought our record.
0:15:47 > 0:15:49OK.
0:15:49 > 0:15:54When you look at the price of that - there was a moment, as you describe
0:15:54 > 0:15:57it in 1991, where you find yourself in your walk-in closet with a gun,
0:15:57 > 0:16:02ready to follow the guy you knew, Kurt Cobain, a few years before?
0:16:02 > 0:16:06We're mixing up a few different things.
0:16:06 > 0:16:11My addictions and so on and so forth had -
0:16:11 > 0:16:26Guns N' Roses made my life, in a band that got huge.
0:16:26 > 0:16:28I didn't get any time to address my panic disorder,
0:16:28 > 0:16:31which was really the root of my whole drinking and self-medicating.
0:16:32 > 0:16:35So I don't want to confuse or certainly not blame Guns N' Roses
0:16:35 > 0:16:38or rock'n'roll or anything that silly for my addiction.
0:16:38 > 0:16:42My addiction is my addiction.
0:16:42 > 0:16:48It was something I had to come to terms with outside of rock'n'roll.
0:16:48 > 0:16:50So you would have had the same addictions,
0:16:50 > 0:16:52irrespective of the band and the success?
0:16:52 > 0:16:56Who knows?
0:16:56 > 0:16:59The only life I know is the one I lived, you know?
0:16:59 > 0:17:04I know addicts - a lot of them - in recovery that had wholly
0:17:04 > 0:17:07different experiences in life than I did.
0:17:07 > 0:17:09Completely different.
0:17:09 > 0:17:11Some that were stockbrokers.
0:17:11 > 0:17:15And some that were very successful, and still are.
0:17:15 > 0:17:19And some that aren't, and were never successful.
0:17:19 > 0:17:22Who knows where addiction really comes from?
0:17:22 > 0:17:25It was fascinating to read the account of how you got
0:17:25 > 0:17:26out of it.
0:17:26 > 0:17:28The conventional route is via rehab.
0:17:28 > 0:17:29You didn't do that.
0:17:29 > 0:17:32It was mountain biking, in a sense, that first saved you?
0:17:32 > 0:17:36Yeah.
0:17:36 > 0:17:38Yeah.
0:17:38 > 0:17:41And that was - I mean, you shut yourself off in LA
0:17:41 > 0:17:45and in your house on your own, and you just rode a bike?
0:17:45 > 0:17:45Yeah.
0:17:45 > 0:17:46And became obsessional about it.
0:17:46 > 0:17:54Well, I rode my bike because - for the first few months,
0:17:54 > 0:17:57I still had the shakes, so riding the bike was the only
0:17:57 > 0:17:57thing...
0:17:57 > 0:18:00I didn't know anybody sober, so I didn't have, like -
0:18:00 > 0:18:03I didn't know anybody in those fellowships that I know about now.
0:18:04 > 0:18:05But I just didn't know anybody there.
0:18:05 > 0:18:10So all I knew was I had this bike, and I rode it, and I got this sort
0:18:10 > 0:18:13of - at first it was like self-flagellation -
0:18:13 > 0:18:16you see the Catholic parades - I felt like I was that guy
0:18:16 > 0:18:18going up the hills.
0:18:18 > 0:18:21Kind of beating myself up a bit for failing my Mum,
0:18:21 > 0:18:26some of my friends and those types of things
0:18:26 > 0:18:28- my family.
0:18:28 > 0:18:30But it also started to make me feel whole.
0:18:30 > 0:18:32I was drinking water.
0:18:32 > 0:18:34I was doing really - I didn't drink water
0:18:34 > 0:18:35for like ten years.
0:18:35 > 0:18:39Literally.
0:18:39 > 0:18:42I started eating food as fuel, like healthy food,
0:18:42 > 0:18:46and reading books.
0:18:46 > 0:18:50I watched a Ken Burns documentary on the Civil War and got fascinated
0:18:50 > 0:18:52and started reading about the Civil War,
0:18:52 > 0:18:54and I just started reading.
0:18:54 > 0:18:57You also came across some financial statements in your basement
0:18:57 > 0:18:59you didn't understand - and were too embarrassed
0:18:59 > 0:19:01to ask anybody.
0:19:01 > 0:19:04And that set you off on this quest to understand finance,
0:19:04 > 0:19:17which is, in large part, your life now.
0:19:17 > 0:19:18It is.
0:19:18 > 0:19:20It is a part of my life.
0:19:20 > 0:19:22So yeah, I found these financial statements in my basement,
0:19:22 > 0:19:31and I was 30 years old, I was sober, I was -
0:19:31 > 0:19:32A millionaire.
0:19:32 > 0:19:33Yes.
0:19:33 > 0:19:36And I didn't know what a stock or a bond was.
0:19:36 > 0:19:39I was too embarrassed to ask anybody else, really.
0:19:39 > 0:19:42And I didn't trust a lot of people in my industry.
0:19:42 > 0:19:44And I didn't have anybody to really go to.
0:19:44 > 0:19:46So I went to school.
0:19:46 > 0:19:49I went and got into this class at a community college in which it
0:19:49 > 0:19:50covered financial statements.
0:19:50 > 0:19:53I could take the information I got at class one night and take
0:19:54 > 0:19:54it straight home.
0:19:54 > 0:19:58I could be in class and say, "That's exactly what I'm looking for!"
0:19:58 > 0:20:01Eventually I brought a financial statement,
0:20:01 > 0:20:04blacked out the numbers, and brought it to my professor
0:20:04 > 0:20:06and said, "I'm having a problem with this."
0:20:06 > 0:20:09He said, "They are misleading.
0:20:09 > 0:20:11These aren't classic financial statements.
0:20:12 > 0:20:13They're a little misleading."
0:20:13 > 0:20:16We weren't blatantly ripped off, but there was,
0:20:16 > 0:20:20um, commissions and things taken off in places that I would never allow
0:20:20 > 0:20:25to happen now.
0:20:25 > 0:20:29As I matriculated through school, I got very interested in academia.
0:20:29 > 0:20:34Went to a school, eventually - Seattle U.
0:20:34 > 0:20:39I didn't graduate high school, so getting into Seattle U,
0:20:39 > 0:20:42I had to jump through a bunch of academic hoops -
0:20:42 > 0:20:46community college, junior college, taking math, taking things to get
0:20:46 > 0:20:48myself to the level to get in there.
0:20:48 > 0:20:52Such that you were in a situation where your first Playboy column -
0:20:52 > 0:20:54they approached you, you've got this Duffonomics -
0:20:54 > 0:20:56you refer to "My love of academia - don't laugh."
0:20:57 > 0:20:59I do love it.
0:20:59 > 0:21:05I hope to continue at some point.
0:21:05 > 0:21:09I've been in the UK for the last couple weeks, and I love to work
0:21:09 > 0:21:09Will
0:21:09 > 0:21:11out, as we were talking about.
0:21:11 > 0:21:14I was in Oxford the other day, and some guy tells me,
0:21:14 > 0:21:16"There's a gym down the street."
0:21:16 > 0:21:19I saw a guy in gym clothes and I said, "Where's the gym?"
0:21:19 > 0:21:21He said, "It's down the street."
0:21:21 > 0:21:25It was the Oxford gym, Oxford University gym.
0:21:25 > 0:21:28There I am on the campus working out in the gym.
0:21:28 > 0:21:30I just love those places, those places of higher learning.
0:21:30 > 0:21:35My point is, I was in school, taking math -
0:21:35 > 0:21:39I wasn't even in business school yet - and I started getting calls
0:21:39 > 0:21:40from my peers.
0:21:40 > 0:21:40Fellow musicians.
0:21:40 > 0:21:46Guys who were in my shoes, who had made money, didn't know
0:21:46 > 0:21:49what it was, what to do with it.
0:21:49 > 0:21:53You don't want to make money in your 20s and 30s and be broke
0:21:53 > 0:21:56at 45 because you didn't know how money works.
0:21:56 > 0:22:00And also because, as you've said, the whole industry is set up
0:22:00 > 0:22:03for managers - they're not going to say to their rock bands,
0:22:03 > 0:22:05"You've only got three years of productive life."
0:22:05 > 0:22:07What manager will say that to an artist?
0:22:07 > 0:22:10An artist will say, "I've only got three years?
0:22:10 > 0:22:13I'll find a manager who tells me I've got 10 or 20!"
0:22:13 > 0:22:17Managers will shy away from that.
0:22:17 > 0:22:20You've referred to your luck - you're in a situation now
0:22:20 > 0:22:23where you're healthy, clean, you've turned your life around.
0:22:23 > 0:22:25There are others - people like Amy Winehouse
0:22:25 > 0:22:28- who didn't.
0:22:28 > 0:22:32Is there any way that somebody can be protected and be saved,
0:22:32 > 0:22:34in a sense - stop what happened to her?
0:22:34 > 0:22:34No.
0:22:34 > 0:22:41You can't save a person who doesn't want to help themselves.
0:22:41 > 0:22:47There's nothing you can do for them.
0:22:47 > 0:22:49And anybody that was around somebody like Amy Winehouse,
0:22:50 > 0:22:52who maybe feels guilty or whatever at this point,
0:22:52 > 0:23:06or is placing blame on a manager or whoever -
0:23:06 > 0:23:09"Well, you shouldn't have allowed her to do that."
0:23:09 > 0:23:10She's going to do it.
0:23:10 > 0:23:13But you yourself, when you describe your own managers, say,
0:23:13 > 0:23:16"If someone entrusted with the health of the band actually
0:23:16 > 0:23:19cared about us, Guns N' Roses would have been pulled off the road
0:23:19 > 0:23:21and put into therapy years ago."
0:23:21 > 0:23:25A lot of the book - I see the humour in the story too.
0:23:25 > 0:23:28When you read the words - excuse me - yeah, if a dialogue
0:23:28 > 0:23:30would have been started, perhaps, about, "Hey,
0:23:30 > 0:23:31guys, think about it."
0:23:31 > 0:23:32You use the expression "gold."
0:23:33 > 0:23:34They're interested in the gold.
0:23:34 > 0:23:35We were making money right then.
0:23:36 > 0:23:39There was a lot of gigs coming up that would make those managers
0:23:39 > 0:23:42a lot more money.
0:23:42 > 0:23:46They're a little less apt to say, "Maybe you guys can talk
0:23:46 > 0:23:53about getting healthy, Duff," you know?
0:23:53 > 0:23:56Any chance that Guns N' Roses could - you've been nominated
0:23:56 > 0:23:58for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
0:23:58 > 0:24:03Any chance of a reunion?
0:24:03 > 0:24:05Um, is there any chance?
0:24:05 > 0:24:07There's always a chance of anything in this life.
0:24:07 > 0:24:08There's a chance.
0:24:08 > 0:24:12My daughter might think I'm not the nerdy Dad that she thinks I am
0:24:12 > 0:24:13right now in a year.
0:24:13 > 0:24:15She might think, "My Dad's cool."
0:24:15 > 0:24:20So, who knows?
0:24:20 > 0:24:24You know, I know in this life, you don't know what's gonna happen.
0:24:24 > 0:24:27I don't know what's gonna happen next month in my life.
0:24:27 > 0:24:29Duff McKagan, thank you for coming on HARDtalk.
0:24:29 > 0:24:29OK, cool.
0:24:29 > 0:24:30Thanks.
0:24:30 > 0:24:31That was easy.
0:24:48 > 0:24:50Hello and good morning.
0:24:50 > 0:24:53We just had the warmest day of the year in Northern Ireland.
0:24:53 > 0:24:5420 degrees in County Tyrone.
0:24:54 > 0:24:56A lovely day in the sunshine.
0:24:56 > 0:24:59We also had some similar temperatures in the south-west of
0:24:59 > 0:24:59Scotland.
0:24:59 > 0:25:01Again, nice and warm with some sunshine.