Jalal Fairooz - Former Bahraini Opposition MP

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:00:07. > :00:17.Coming up next on BBC News it's HARDtalk. Zeinab Badawi speaks to

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:00:20. > :00:23.Parliament in Bahrain, Jalal Fairooz.

:00:23. > :00:25.Have the authorities in Bahrain learned any lessons from their

:00:25. > :00:27.suppression last year's anti- government protests which sparked

:00:27. > :00:30.widespread condemnation or are they still clamping down on the

:00:30. > :00:32.opposition? A few weeks ago the government banned all rallies and

:00:32. > :00:37.gatherings saying they were associated with violence and

:00:37. > :00:45.rioting. They also revoked the Bahraini nationality of 31

:00:45. > :00:50.individuals, allegedly for threatening national security. My

:00:50. > :01:00.guest today on HARDtalk is one of main opposition Shia political

:01:00. > :01:17.

:01:17. > :01:23.group Al-Wefaq. Jalal Fairooz, welcome to HARDtalk.

:01:23. > :01:29.Thank you. You have been stripped of your Bahraini nationality, what

:01:29. > :01:34.do you think the authorities have on you? They failed to say. I have

:01:34. > :01:39.neverhave never been called to go to the

:01:39. > :01:47.police. I have been a prominent figure of Bahrain, I served Bahrain

:01:47. > :01:51.for so many for so many have been the deputy chair of the major

:01:51. > :01:59.committees in the parliament, I have been at an international

:01:59. > :02:07.representative of Bahrain, I was elected as vice-chair of human

:02:07. > :02:12.rights and democracy by the IPU. I have never had any problem. Because

:02:12. > :02:19.of my outsp of my outspman rights in Bahrain, they were not

:02:19. > :02:26.happy about that. Fahad al-Binali told the BBC after your nationality

:02:26. > :02:33.was revoked that they had done this as a matter of national security,

:02:33. > :02:38.he said the decision was not taken lightly. They have done things for

:02:38. > :02:48.no reason. There have been some people accused of jeopardising

:02:48. > :02:49.

:02:49. > :02:56.national security. If they want to do it, they need to go to court. As

:02:57. > :03:01.the 1963 law says, it has to be proven that I have done anything.

:03:01. > :03:07.The Human Rights Declaration, article 15, it is very clear that

:03:07. > :03:13.you cannot make anyone status. were teaching business and were an

:03:13. > :03:20.instructor in the USA when you got this news? Yes. They should have at

:03:20. > :03:28.least called me in. I have only received threats over the telephone

:03:28. > :03:38.talking to the international media. You can I do that. Fahad al-Binali

:03:38. > :03:39.

:03:39. > :03:46.the decision. This is a joke. One of the 30 is a lawyer, he tried to

:03:46. > :03:55.appeal. Are you going to appeal? spoke to a lawyer, they say, let's

:03:56. > :04:01.try. Another person tried, you cannot even issue a letter of

:04:01. > :04:05.delegation to that lawyer. There is no way you can do the appeal. What

:04:05. > :04:13.do you appealed to? There is no independent judiciary system in

:04:13. > :04:20.Bahrain. What are you going to do? You are stateless, your three

:04:20. > :04:25.children between 16-21, they might have their nationality revoked, you

:04:25. > :04:30.are seeking asylum in the UK? the only country around the world

:04:30. > :04:34.where they revoke nationalities. You do not understand why they

:04:34. > :04:40.would do that. If they have anything against me they can take

:04:40. > :04:47.me to court. Let me try and defend myself. They have not done that. I

:04:47. > :04:56.do not know what to do. Had he sought asylum in the UK? Yes, I did.

:04:56. > :05:01.But actually, I like my country. My parents, and sisters are Bahraini.

:05:01. > :05:11.I have never been in any country for several weeks. How does this

:05:11. > :05:12.

:05:12. > :05:18.make you feel? I am proud of Bahrain, I'm proud of my country. I

:05:18. > :05:25.did work for the progressive three forces in Bahrain. The problem is

:05:25. > :05:32.that there is no actual reform. The dictatorship is predominant. People

:05:32. > :05:39.are seen in Bahrain, the government is saying, they have to be quite

:05:39. > :05:49.tough on dissidents because of the spate of bombings in November, we

:05:49. > :05:54.

:05:54. > :06:04.also had a anti-government protests that end violence in November. --

:06:04. > :06:06.

:06:06. > :06:13.than 14 months there has not been any violence at all. Is that really

:06:13. > :06:21.the case? There was a village in Akar, outside Manama, anti-

:06:21. > :06:25.government protests. One policeman died as a result of a bomb. There

:06:25. > :06:31.have been other examples of violence in villages outside the

:06:31. > :06:41.capital. That particular case, the government said there was a bombing.

:06:41. > :06:42.

:06:42. > :06:52.The UK, the US, they can dent that. After 24 hours there was a

:06:52. > :06:52.

:06:52. > :07:02.statement, we are sorry, it was not a bomb. -- condemned. There have

:07:02. > :07:02.

:07:02. > :07:07.been other clashes, Molotov cocktails used against the police.

:07:07. > :07:16.Actually, in the parliament just three months ago, since the

:07:16. > :07:21.beginning of the uprising, just after that first week, until that

:07:21. > :07:27.time, we are talking about 15 months, there had not been a single

:07:27. > :07:35.police casualty. Whatever is being called bombing is just like booby-

:07:35. > :07:41.traps. Two migrant workers were killed. That was on 5th November.

:07:41. > :07:51.Of course. The government is not necessarily over-reacting. ily over-reacting.

:07:51. > :08:00.something that any government would look upon as serious. Al-Wefaq

:08:00. > :08:04.lot of ambiguity around it. Some intelligence sources in the West

:08:04. > :08:14.have said we do not believe the people are behind it. That has not

:08:14. > :08:17.

:08:18. > :08:23.been corroborated. The rallies were not be tolerated because people's

:08:23. > :08:33.lives are being threatened. The government has the responsibility

:08:33. > :08:37.

:08:37. > :08:44.to bring in peace. The opposition parties, until the prohibition of

:08:44. > :08:54.the demonstrations, every week, one or two demonstrations. There was no

:08:54. > :08:58.

:08:58. > :09:03.violence. What they are calling violence, you attack the wives and

:09:03. > :09:09.the mothers. Teenagers, what do you expect from them? We have been

:09:09. > :09:19.trying to stop the people from going to violence. There is a

:09:19. > :09:20.

:09:20. > :09:29.document which was signed As the Foreign Secretary, William

:09:29. > :09:34.Hague, said, it was very good that you did that. He said he urges

:09:34. > :09:40.other opposition to do that. But put it to you that the February

:09:40. > :09:50.14th Movement, made up of youths, are resorting to violence. Do you

:09:50. > :09:51.

:09:51. > :10:00.perpetrating acts of violence. You littlee a

:10:00. > :10:04.little bit impatient. That is a that in Northern Ireland. People

:10:04. > :10:14.are so frustrated because they do not see a light at the end of the

:10:14. > :10:15.

:10:15. > :10:22.single Molotov cocktail that has been thrown out, the person who

:10:22. > :10:28.threw it, h threw it, hail. What happened to the violence, you can

:10:28. > :10:33.see it on YouTube. Molotov cocktails a cocktails athrown on

:10:33. > :10:39.people by police. All the violence is being perpetrated by the police.

:10:39. > :10:47.How many police are behind bars because of violations of human

:10:47. > :10:51.authorities say that after the protests started last year, we set

:10:51. > :10:59.up an independent commission of inquiry, we are learning the

:10:59. > :11:09.lessons from that repression. Some people say 35 people died, others

:11:09. > :11:11.

:11:11. > :11:19.say 80. You mean things will not recur. The problem is, twice as

:11:19. > :11:29.many people have been killed by the violence. That happened after

:11:29. > :11:29.

:11:29. > :11:39.Bassiouni. Yes, he chaired the commission. 17 of them married

:11:39. > :11:41.

:11:42. > :11:47.teenagers. 23 of them are about 60 years-old. They have been killed

:11:47. > :11:50.arbitrarily by police. Since the government introduced the

:11:50. > :11:55.recommendations of the independent commission? That is not what the

:11:55. > :11:59.government spokesman is saying. He says there is 122 cases under

:11:59. > :12:09.investigation to deal with complaints. 12 cases have been

:12:09. > :12:12.

:12:12. > :12:20.referred to court. The BICI Has recorded hundreds of cases of

:12:20. > :12:27.torture. There are around 70 types of violations. The government say

:12:27. > :12:31.they accept 122 cases. They have referred to referred to Out

:12:31. > :12:37.of these, how many of these have been put to trial? We cannot look

:12:37. > :12:47.at individual cases. The point I'm making to you, it is not just the

:12:47. > :12:49.

:12:49. > :12:53.Bahraini authorities saying they have brought in these reforms.

:12:53. > :12:57.Legal and law-enforcement systems have been overhauled so you do not

:12:57. > :13:03.have military tribunals anymore. It is not just them saying we have

:13:03. > :13:10.done this, the bridge government is saying that of the 176

:13:10. > :13:15.recommendations 143 have been taken up. -- British Government. It does

:13:15. > :13:19.not say that they have applied them. In the House of Lords the minister

:13:19. > :13:25.said that the Bahraini authorities are trying to make progress on

:13:25. > :13:32.these matters and we are supporting them in doing that. The problem is,

:13:32. > :13:42.they need to stop torture. Up until today there is torture. Just two

:13:42. > :13:45.

:13:45. > :13:50.weeks ago they said reforms, torture is going on daily,

:13:50. > :13:58.repression continues. Yesterday one person died. The repression is

:13:59. > :14:08.continuing. We have not had a Amnesty International. I can say

:14:08. > :14:12.that an independent analyst like Michael Stevens who says security

:14:12. > :14:17.reforms have been comprehensive. Hillary Clinton said it is easy to

:14:17. > :14:27.see the glass as half empty, I see it as half full. Do you give the

:14:27. > :14:28.

:14:28. > :14:38.They have not refrained from violating human rights. They have

:14:38. > :14:42.

:14:42. > :14:49.demolished over 40 mosques. Five have been rebuilt. To backwoods ago,

:14:49. > :14:59.-- two weeks ago he could see them. They are not stopping the killing

:14:59. > :15:05.

:15:05. > :15:09.of Human Rights said Derry's -- said there is no serious are

:15:10. > :15:19.playing of the recommendations. You're making serious allegations.

:15:20. > :15:22.

:15:22. > :15:25.They say they are trying to make would have lasted, but I am

:15:25. > :15:29.bewildered by the level of criticism by a nation that has a

:15:29. > :15:37.knowledge mistakes and has plans in place to put things right. Give

:15:37. > :15:42.them a chance. We want to see them stopping the way a measure of human

:15:42. > :15:49.rights. They have revoked nationalities. There has been the

:15:49. > :15:59.demolition of mosques. They have killed people and raided houses. I

:15:59. > :15:59.

:15:59. > :16:06.am a saying that, I am referring to Human Rights Watch. It is all being

:16:06. > :16:13.so that they ran no serious measures. They write what is its

:16:13. > :16:21.recommendations -- and there are 26 recommendations. Only are three of

:16:21. > :16:31.them have been... As his us what the British government has said.

:16:31. > :16:34.

:16:34. > :16:38.This is the Geneva Convention. fact of the matter is that the Shia

:16:38. > :16:44.populations, the discontent among the population goes back many years.

:16:44. > :16:54.Your party was set up in 2001. What is it that you want? Was changed

:16:54. > :16:56.

:16:56. > :17:02.you want? We are seeing what the American government has been saying.

:17:02. > :17:12.We need to integrate what the people. The divorce a single shares

:17:12. > :17:13.

:17:13. > :17:15.in the army. In the police force you will see a relief 2% Shia. In

:17:15. > :17:25.the cavernous Darrell Lea a few. Today they have been new

:17:25. > :17:29.

:17:29. > :17:35.been a few appointments. You just quoted the US deputy of state.

:17:35. > :17:39.President Obama said last year that the patriotism that binds the

:17:39. > :17:49.country together must be more powerful than the six areas and

:17:49. > :17:52.

:17:52. > :18:00.that tears them apart. -- the sectarianism. What is it you want?

:18:00. > :18:07.We want dignity, human-rights. We are grateful for the constitution.

:18:07. > :18:11.We want to stop corruption. want the King to have no power. At

:18:11. > :18:15.the moment he has the power to appoint the upper chamber in

:18:15. > :18:23.Parliament and nominates the Cabinet ministers. In a third are

:18:23. > :18:28.wary this year -- in February this year he said we have made political

:18:28. > :18:33.dismiss the government. All ministerial appointments Bahrain

:18:33. > :18:42.approved by Parliament. The lower house of parliament is totally

:18:42. > :18:47.elected. You were a member of this Parliament. Given credits. You are

:18:47. > :18:56.saying that the lower house is being elected. It is dominated by

:18:56. > :19:06.the upper house which has been appointed by pro-government groups.

:19:06. > :19:13.

:19:13. > :19:23.You were elected. Al-Wefaq have 62.5 % of the vote. We have run the

:19:23. > :19:27.

:19:27. > :19:33.reason misusing of districts. I was voted for. Other districts are a

:19:33. > :19:43.quarter of this size and population of mind. In 2010 you had an

:19:43. > :19:51.election. Y election. Yw saying that actually you have your finger on

:19:51. > :20:01.the pulse of the vast majority of the populat the populats not really

:20:01. > :20:08.

:20:08. > :20:18.the shears. -- Shia. It is just the opposition vote. They are all

:20:18. > :20:23.

:20:23. > :20:30.together. Your mother is Iranian. The spokesperson on the government,

:20:30. > :20:40.her mother her mother n. One-third of the population of Bahrain is

:20:40. > :20:41.

:20:41. > :20:49.originally from Iran. Who has done the hatred? The government

:20:49. > :20:59.institutions. Every day they are promoting hatred. You have the

:20:59. > :21:00.

:21:00. > :21:10.prince of the Sony, I met Prince of the Kingdom of Bahrain. He is

:21:10. > :21:13.

:21:13. > :21:19.reaching out to everybody. Wade and Sue engage in a dialogue? -- Why

:21:19. > :21:26.don't you. If you look at the Minister of Information, she says

:21:26. > :21:34.the party is seen as a Trojan horse for Iranian interests. It is not

:21:34. > :21:42.says She says the group is sectarian him

:21:42. > :21:49.nature and fulfils the aspirations of Iran. That is a nasty claim we

:21:49. > :21:59.will have to take her to court about it. She is a seat to shake

:21:59. > :22:02.

:22:02. > :22:12.A lot of prominent opposition members are in jail. The government

:22:12. > :22:13.

:22:13. > :22:23.has made al has made altarian hatred. In Bahrain, 7% of the higher ranks

:22:23. > :22:24.

:22:24. > :22:34.in the Government's arts sheer force of -- are Shia. One anonymous

:22:34. > :22:42.

:22:42. > :22:47.certain that the dynasty will fall. Is he right? Probably. This

:22:47. > :22:56.government is not looking at the best interests of the people. They

:22:56. > :23:01.need to come to way common ground. We once a legitimate dialogue.

:23:01. > :23:11.want to be citizens, not prevented from joining certain sectors of

:23:11. > :23:12.

:23:12. > :23:20.society? The race bad discrimination. -- and there is bad

:23:20. > :23:30.discrimination. We want to see people altogether. There has to be

:23:30. > :23:31.

:23:31. > :23:41.accountability. People have all the right. We h right. We hd.

:23:41. > :23:43.

:23:43. > :23:53.The government says they do not refer

:23:53. > :23:54.

:23:54. > :24:03.refer to the State Department. Look have the equally for a legitimate