Ping Fu - CEO, Geomagic

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:00:11. > :00:15.stand down on April 30th. Now it is time for HARDtalk. My guest today

:00:16. > :00:22.is fast becoming one of America's most celebrated female

:00:22. > :00:25.entrepreneurs. It is not just because the company she founded is

:00:26. > :00:31.revolutionising many factoring in the digital age, but also because

:00:31. > :00:35.her own life story represents a triumph over long odds. Ping Fu was

:00:35. > :00:41.just eight years old when her life was turned upside-down by a

:00:42. > :00:47.chairman now's Cultural Revolution. She was thrown out of China. Now

:00:47. > :00:57.she is an adviser to President Obama on innovation. What lessons

:00:57. > :01:21.

:01:21. > :01:26.lie behind this extraordinary Ping Fu, welcome to HARDtalk. You

:01:26. > :01:33.grew up in China. Your life was turned upside-down by the Cultural

:01:33. > :01:38.Revolution. I wonder if the sort of disruption experienced prepared you

:01:38. > :01:46.to thrive in a business sector, the tech industry, which is constantly

:01:46. > :01:52.disrupted. The roles are constantly changing. When I grow up, with the

:01:52. > :01:58.life Jenia had, I had a lot of practice in self-loathing. I had

:01:58. > :02:05.the ability to change. -- Self learning. I was resilient in

:02:05. > :02:09.difficult times. Those were the skills I needed. I suppose it gives

:02:09. > :02:18.you an awful lot of perspective when you have had such a difficult

:02:18. > :02:28.upbringing. My life had been turned upside down, from a loving family

:02:28. > :02:31.

:02:31. > :02:36.with a nice big house in Shanghai, to a ghetto in managing -- Nanjing.

:02:36. > :02:44.I lost both sets of my parents. I became a surrogate mother to my

:02:44. > :02:53.middle sister. We're talking about the early 1960s. You were grabbed

:02:53. > :02:59.by Red Guards working for the Cultural Revolution. Because your

:02:59. > :03:09.family was regarded as intellectual they were relatively privileged.

:03:09. > :03:15.You had to be taken away and re- educated, reprogrammed. They said

:03:15. > :03:23.we did not need formal education. We needed to be educated by workers,

:03:23. > :03:31.farmers and soldiers. We had to work in factories, farm rice and

:03:31. > :03:36.learn how to march in the military. You have described how in the early

:03:36. > :03:44.days there was a lot of hate in you as much in the souls of the UN

:03:44. > :03:54.guards looking after you. You were forced to eat animal dung. You were

:03:54. > :03:57.

:03:57. > :04:05.brought close to death. We were fed better meals and raped by a dozen

:04:05. > :04:13.teenage boys. I was left on a soccer field to die. It was very

:04:13. > :04:22.hard. It was a long time ago. Does the power of the memories you have

:04:22. > :04:32.still live with you? It does from time to time. I learned for a long

:04:32. > :04:42.time to put it away. I wrote a book that just came out. I learnt how to

:04:42. > :04:42.

:04:42. > :04:48.heal those wounds. Your birth parents were not the parents to

:04:48. > :04:54.raise two. You had two sets of parents. Is there any way in which

:04:54. > :04:59.either were able to reach you at this terrible time when you and

:04:59. > :05:03.your sister were living the most dreadful and hard life? Not during

:05:03. > :05:09.the ten years of the Cultural Revolution. My birth mother came

:05:09. > :05:14.back when I was 13. She was put away when I was eight. All of the

:05:14. > :05:20.other parents were sent to remote areas of China. What was it that

:05:20. > :05:30.you found within yourself that allowed you, enabled you, to cope

:05:30. > :05:32.

:05:32. > :05:42.with what she went through? mother anticipated the trouble

:05:42. > :05:50.coming to my life. They taught me. Before I was told -- taken away

:05:50. > :05:58.from the family, they told me to be bamboo, in the prevailing wind and

:05:58. > :06:07.never breaking. It is a mental space in my mind. It is interesting

:06:07. > :06:12.that idea of bending and never breaking? The two ever come close

:06:12. > :06:18.to breaking? Several times. My journal was burned when I was 12

:06:18. > :06:25.years old. I thought about dying. I wanted to jump into a fire. You had

:06:25. > :06:30.written your innermost thoughts and kept a sense of yourself? I did not

:06:30. > :06:36.have anyone to talk to. I could not talk to my parents. I kept a

:06:36. > :06:41.journal on the back of the Communist propaganda for years. It

:06:41. > :06:48.was the only place I could express my innermost thoughts and emotions.

:06:48. > :06:55.It amazes me that you were so resilient. You're so resilient that

:06:55. > :07:01.when the Cultural Revolution came to an end you were able to resume

:07:01. > :07:07.studies. You make contact with your family and you ended up going to

:07:07. > :07:17.university. That is right. It was not the end of your problems, was

:07:17. > :07:17.

:07:17. > :07:24.at? Right before I graduated from college I was doing research. I

:07:24. > :07:29.thought Alice picking a humanitarian topic. I heard that

:07:29. > :07:34.the one-child policy in China caused farmers to kill baby girls

:07:34. > :07:44.because they wanted boys. I did not realise how widespread the killing

:07:44. > :07:45.

:07:45. > :07:52.was. When I went to do the research I saw babies being tossed into

:07:52. > :07:59.rivers with their umbilical cords still fresh. I was a mother since

:07:59. > :08:04.there was eight. Because he raised to assist the? It strikes me in a

:08:05. > :08:10.way, knowing what happened to you, I am beginning to feel that there

:08:10. > :08:15.was something about you that refuses to bow down to authority.

:08:15. > :08:20.You refuse to accept the received wisdom. Otherwise you would not

:08:20. > :08:27.have embarked on this challenging university dissertation about the

:08:27. > :08:34.terrible impact of the one-child policy. That is quite insightful.

:08:34. > :08:41.Looking back, I realised that even though I was brainwashed that I was

:08:41. > :08:46.nobody, I never really believed it. I always wanted to be somebody. It

:08:46. > :08:52.was not specific. I never knew how to stop it. I kept travelling and

:08:52. > :08:57.wanting to be somebody. You talk about brainwashing. What do you

:08:57. > :09:04.really mean by that? It is a phrase that is used often, but how were

:09:04. > :09:13.you brainwashed? We did not study anything in a normal academic field.

:09:13. > :09:23.We always studied Communist propaganda for the Red Book. I was

:09:23. > :09:24.

:09:24. > :09:33.told that I was nobody. I was told that my parents were criminals.

:09:33. > :09:43.You're in a black file, Would you? I wonder if you, having been

:09:43. > :09:47.dismissed by the system, Would you angry with the party? -- were you

:09:47. > :09:56.angry. Had he decided that communism was damaging to the

:09:56. > :10:01.Country? I believed some of the concept of what they taught me.

:10:01. > :10:11.Helping others and being good. At the same time, I did not believe

:10:11. > :10:13.

:10:13. > :10:21.much of what they said. They said to grow Communist wheat rather than

:10:21. > :10:29.capitalist rise. In the end, he was forced out of the country. Some

:10:29. > :10:34.people may wonder how you had the great fortune to leave China and

:10:34. > :10:42.make your way to the US. So many other people who were put on

:10:42. > :10:52.blacklists ended up in the most hard and difficult lives or

:10:52. > :10:55.imprisoned. How come you were allowed out? I did not speak any

:10:55. > :11:01.English, I had no idea what American life was like. At the time

:11:01. > :11:08.I was running from trouble. I thought anything was better than

:11:08. > :11:13.death or being exile. I did not have a future in China. The future

:11:13. > :11:23.was unknown to me when I came to the letter states. Back then, I did

:11:23. > :11:28.not know it would be a good future. I was told to leave. You had no

:11:29. > :11:37.family in the US, and you had no family there. There you were, on a

:11:37. > :11:45.plane from Shanghai to California. It must have been daunting. It was

:11:45. > :11:50.very scary. No family, no friends, I did not speak the language, I did

:11:50. > :11:59.not know what life was ahead of me. At that time, the unknown was

:11:59. > :12:06.better then trouble. When I pity you as a young woman in New Mexico,

:12:06. > :12:12.with no language, money or contacts, then I think about how quickly you

:12:12. > :12:19.got on. Within a few years you were a specialist within computing and

:12:19. > :12:24.software. What was it within you that allowed you to get on so

:12:24. > :12:34.quickly? One part of it is that America is a wonderful place for

:12:34. > :12:41.immigrants. Many people helped me when I first landed in the US. The

:12:41. > :12:45.other part is that I've always learn how to do things by myself.

:12:45. > :12:54.When I grow up there were no teachers or parents around. I

:12:54. > :13:00.learnt to cook quickly. I learned how to work in the factory. I had

:13:00. > :13:06.an ability to learn. I never thought I could not do anything.

:13:06. > :13:15.Life would throw many things at me. Coming to the United States was not

:13:15. > :13:22.as hard as the life I had up until I was 18. You were arriving and

:13:23. > :13:32.studying science at a time when the digital era was just beginning.

:13:33. > :13:34.

:13:34. > :13:38.Computing was taking off. What drew you to that? I wanted to study

:13:38. > :13:42.comparative literature. I could not do it because it did not have

:13:42. > :13:47.English skills. I asked what I could study because it did not have

:13:47. > :13:52.a science background. Somebody told me to look a computer science. I

:13:52. > :13:58.asked where was. They told me it was a man-made language that is

:13:58. > :14:05.used to make things. I thought to myself, I'm good with language and

:14:05. > :14:11.know how to make things. The interesting thing is, even this

:14:11. > :14:21.experience taught me that behind every closed door there is an open

:14:21. > :14:22.

:14:22. > :14:32.space. Every time life slams the door at me, I end up picking up a

:14:32. > :14:38.

:14:38. > :14:41.By the mid-to-late Nineties, you had alighted on an area of software

:14:41. > :14:45.development and computer technology which frankly over the last ten

:14:45. > :14:50.years has become the absolute cutting edge of where many people

:14:50. > :14:57.think the next phase of the digital revolution is going. Perhaps we

:14:57. > :15:04.should in simple terms explain to people that your interest in 3D

:15:04. > :15:09.printing, in a sense shaping Things by computer and then turning those

:15:09. > :15:13.shapes into actual products in a new way, it's potentially

:15:13. > :15:20.revolutionary, isn't it? That's the next big thing. It's as big as

:15:20. > :15:26.steam engine, Henry Ford, assembly- line or the internet. That's a big

:15:26. > :15:31.claim, can you justified it for me? When I was at Super Computing

:15:31. > :15:37.Centre I hired a student called Andrew, we started in San Jose, and

:15:37. > :15:43.that became internet Explorer and Netscape. After that success I went

:15:43. > :15:48.out to start my own company called Geomagic. That was 15 years ago. I

:15:48. > :15:53.thought about combining the internet with manufacturing. In

:15:53. > :15:59.order to create an internet of things. That was of course way

:15:59. > :16:09.ahead of its time. I went out and I saw this machine, which is a 3D

:16:09. > :16:15.Printer from 3D systems, and I was just totally amazed by this machine.

:16:15. > :16:20.It can literally print a 3D product from a machine. Not just paper.

:16:20. > :16:26.of this machine comes a tangible product? Yes. It prints layer by

:16:26. > :16:30.layer. If you print on paper you just grinned one liar. The best way

:16:30. > :16:36.we can make sense of this at least visually is to look at your shoes.

:16:36. > :16:42.-- just print one layer. You have come in today to the studio with a

:16:42. > :16:47.pair of shoes that were printed. That's right, this is the three

:16:47. > :16:54.design -- 3D design and 3D printed shoes moulded to the shape of my

:16:54. > :16:58.feet. In the future, the product design will be in the software code.

:16:58. > :17:05.The fabrication can be locally next to you. The product will start with

:17:05. > :17:08.the person. We have got Mass Customisation of personal factories.

:17:08. > :17:14.If you think of a shoe company that wants to make its products by

:17:14. > :17:17.producing millions of pairs of shoes for the mass market, they

:17:18. > :17:22.can't use this technology, can they? Aren't you talking about

:17:22. > :17:26.something very local and small scale. We will never be able to

:17:26. > :17:32.with this be able to compete in cost with the traditional

:17:32. > :17:37.production line? That's not true. The traditional shoe, the most cost

:17:37. > :17:41.is not in the material and the making of the shoes, it is the

:17:42. > :17:47.infantry, shooting across the seas, retail shops and shoes that nobody

:17:47. > :17:52.wants. 90% of the cost is in that. Less than 10% of the cost is the

:17:52. > :17:56.material in making the issue. In this case the material and the

:17:56. > :18:00.making of the shoe is not more expensive because the machine is

:18:00. > :18:05.making it. You can make it locally so you don't have to share across

:18:05. > :18:12.the sea, which is not only cheaper but less that print. In a sense it

:18:12. > :18:18.is the end of globalisation, it is the end of things being shipped to

:18:18. > :18:28.the United States. -- footprint. It is bringing manufacturing back

:18:28. > :18:28.

:18:28. > :18:37.home? Absolutely. In 2006 When Thomas Friedman wrote a book, "The"

:18:37. > :18:41.World Is Flat ", we were sharing a stage, and I said globalisation is

:18:41. > :18:47.passing, it is now about localisation. We live on one earth,

:18:47. > :18:53.we watched one moon, we inhale the same air. Localisation is very

:18:53. > :18:58.interesting. We will get to that but I want to stick with the shoes

:18:58. > :19:07.are a little bit more. The material, what are they made of? In this case

:19:07. > :19:13.it is a natural fibre, linen. are linen shoes? Yes. The idea of

:19:13. > :19:19.3D printing, could you make things out of metal? Yes. Obviously

:19:19. > :19:25.plastic would be amenable? Yes, plastic, metal, rather, linen,

:19:25. > :19:30.ceramic. There's more than 100 materials. -- Letter. Could you

:19:30. > :19:37.make a mix of materials? Could you make a car, let's think ambitious,

:19:37. > :19:41.via a printer? Not today, but some of the car parts can be made via a

:19:41. > :19:47.printer, and even better, because you can design geometry inside of

:19:47. > :19:51.the metal to make it lighter, stronger on impact, and you can use

:19:52. > :19:55.material to make new material, which is there interesting.

:19:55. > :19:59.what ifs that apply to this technology seemed to run in

:19:59. > :20:04.different directions, one is a dangerous direction. We have

:20:04. > :20:08.already seen the notion of a Wiki weapon aired on the internet, and

:20:08. > :20:13.there's one particular student and some associates of his in Texas who

:20:13. > :20:17.are determined to use 3D printing to make a home-made gun. All you

:20:17. > :20:22.need is the software and a 3D Printer and he believes you can

:20:22. > :20:27.make all the necessary components for a working weapon. It does Grail

:20:27. > :20:32.raised real questions about where this idea of home made assembly and

:20:32. > :20:37.production ends up, doesn't it? but I always believe in our human

:20:37. > :20:43.history it always goes against evil. The gun doesn't shoot itself, it is

:20:43. > :20:50.the human that takes the gun to shoot. Technology itself is not

:20:50. > :20:54.evil. Right? But technology can play to our worst instincts. One of

:20:54. > :20:59.the things that seems to me a danger with the spread of three the

:20:59. > :21:05.printing is that it enabled piracy, copyright infringement, to become

:21:05. > :21:09.even easier. -- 3D printing. Maybe but it could generate more

:21:09. > :21:14.innovation. If you make one of a kind, not one in a million, why

:21:14. > :21:20.would you care about piracy? care about piracy and Copyright for

:21:20. > :21:26.lots of reasons. The one story that intrigued me, a German man saw a

:21:26. > :21:31.picture of a Dutch policemen carrying his handcuffs. He took a

:21:31. > :21:37.picture of those handcuffs, blew it up, looked at it in great detail,

:21:37. > :21:41.stand it, and he was able to make a key through a 3D Printer to fit the

:21:41. > :21:46.handcuffs. That's the sort of danger that you could never

:21:46. > :21:52.anticipate that might come with the technology? That's true. But

:21:52. > :21:58.innovation is also going to create so many more solutions that counter

:21:59. > :22:03.those bad intentions. It's interesting, in human history, when

:22:03. > :22:07.good against evil happens, there's always more good and evil otherwise

:22:08. > :22:12.we would have been erased from Earth already. The reason we

:22:12. > :22:17.evolved is that we are always able to make solution. That's a very

:22:17. > :22:22.optimistic view. I want to reflect again on your background in China,

:22:22. > :22:25.you've been appointed to the US National Advisory Council on

:22:25. > :22:29.entrepreneurship and innovation, but there are people in the US

:22:29. > :22:34.saying that they are losing their innovative edge, especially

:22:34. > :22:40.compared with China. You have got a unique insight into both cultures,

:22:40. > :22:44.is there some merit to that argument? The US has been a very

:22:44. > :22:48.inventive society. We invented very many technologies that have been

:22:48. > :22:57.adopted by other countries. Innovation is about invention made

:22:57. > :23:03.real. Our US or developed Western countries have this issue of not

:23:03. > :23:08.adopting our own invention. We need to look at that more. When Peter, I

:23:08. > :23:12.don't know if you have met him, the sound of Payi Pelle, he said

:23:12. > :23:18.innovation in America is somewhere between dire Straits and debt. You

:23:18. > :23:24.don't share that view? I'm not that pessimistic. -- dead. The United

:23:24. > :23:28.States is still quite an innovative country. I don't share that.

:23:28. > :23:32.Especially in your field, information technology, and other

:23:32. > :23:36.economists, Robert Gordon, he said the benefits of information

:23:36. > :23:41.technology have largely run their course, which suggests he is not as

:23:41. > :23:45.thrilled with 3D printing as you are. Let's wait for ten years and

:23:45. > :23:50.see what happens. I think he would have a lot of 3D printed things at

:23:50. > :23:55.his home. Do you ever go back to China and perhaps think about

:23:55. > :24:04.launching your business, that's done so well in the US, enshrine as

:24:04. > :24:10.well? I do have a subsidiary in China. I don't think China needs to

:24:10. > :24:14.be a dumping ground. It has 1.3 billion people, 1.3 billion

:24:14. > :24:18.consumers. Competition between the US and China and the rest of the