Mamphela Ramphele - Politician and academic

:00:21. > :00:22.This is BBC News. Here are the This is BBC News. Here are the

:00:22. > :00:24.headlines: Three men from headlines: Three men from

:00:24. > :00:25.headlines: Three men from Birmingham have faced life in

:00:25. > :00:26.Birmingham have faced life in Birmingham have faced life in

:00:26. > :00:27.prison after being found guilty of prison after being found guilty of

:00:27. > :00:29.planning suicide attacks that planning suicide attacks that

:00:29. > :00:31.planning suicide attacks that police believe could have been

:00:31. > :00:33.police believe could have been police believe could have been

:00:33. > :00:34.bigger than the 7th July atrocities. bigger than the 7th July atrocities.

:00:34. > :00:35.bigger than the 7th July atrocities. Irfan Naseer, Irfan Khalid and

:00:35. > :00:37.Irfan Naseer, Irfan Khalid and Irfan Naseer, Irfan Khalid and

:00:37. > :00:38.Irfan Naseer, Irfan Khalid and Ashik Ali had planned to set off

:00:38. > :00:39.Ashik Ali had planned to set off Ashik Ali had planned to set off

:00:39. > :00:41.rucksack bombs and places across rucksack bombs and places across

:00:41. > :00:42.rucksack bombs and places across the country. They financed the plot

:00:42. > :00:44.the country. They financed the plot the country. They financed the plot

:00:44. > :00:46.by pretending to collect money for charity.

:00:46. > :00:47.charity. charity.

:00:47. > :00:48.The chief police officer in the The chief police officer in the

:00:48. > :00:49.The chief police officer in the Oscar Pistorius case has been

:00:49. > :00:50.Oscar Pistorius case has been Oscar Pistorius case has been

:00:51. > :00:52.replaced after it emerged he was replaced after it emerged he was

:00:52. > :00:54.replaced after it emerged he was facing seven counts of attempted

:00:54. > :00:55.facing seven counts of attempted facing seven counts of attempted

:00:55. > :00:55.murder himself. Hilton Botha and murder himself. Hilton Botha and

:00:55. > :00:59.murder himself. Hilton Botha and other officers are accused of

:00:59. > :01:00.other officers are accused of other officers are accused of

:01:00. > :01:03.firing at the minibus they were firing at the minibus they were

:01:03. > :01:04.firing at the minibus they were trying to stop two years ago.

:01:04. > :01:05.trying to stop two years ago. trying to stop two years ago.

:01:05. > :01:06.The Little Democrats have launched The Little Democrats have launched

:01:06. > :01:08.The Little Democrats have launched The Little Democrats have launched

:01:08. > :01:10.a review of the way the party a review of the way the party

:01:10. > :01:11.handles harassment allegations, handles harassment allegations,

:01:11. > :01:12.following allegations made to following allegations made to

:01:12. > :01:13.following allegations made to Channel 4 News of sexual

:01:13. > :01:14.Channel 4 News of sexual Channel 4 News of sexual

:01:14. > :01:17.impropriety over a number of years impropriety over a number of years

:01:17. > :01:20.impropriety over a number of years by Lord Rennard. He strongly denies

:01:20. > :01:21.the accusations. the accusations.

:01:21. > :01:26.the accusations. Police have made a number of

:01:26. > :01:28.Police have made a number of arrests after Tottenham supporters

:01:28. > :01:29.arrests after Tottenham supporters arrests after Tottenham supporters

:01:29. > :01:31.arrests after Tottenham supporters were attacked in the city of Lyon.

:01:31. > :01:32.were attacked in the city of Lyon. were attacked in the city of Lyon.

:01:32. > :01:34.were attacked in the city of Lyon. It is thought to be an anti-Semitic

:01:34. > :01:35.attack. attack.

:01:35. > :01:36.attack. David Cameron is facing criticism

:01:37. > :01:38.David Cameron is facing criticism David Cameron is facing criticism

:01:38. > :01:40.after suggesting the government may after suggesting the government may

:01:40. > :01:42.after suggesting the government may after suggesting the government may

:01:42. > :01:43.spend some of the UK's �10 billion spend some of the UK's �10 billion

:01:43. > :01:46.aid budget on peacekeeping and aid budget on peacekeeping and

:01:46. > :01:46.other defence-related operations. A other defence-related operations. A

:01:46. > :01:47.other defence-related operations. A agencies argue the money should

:01:47. > :01:51.agencies argue the money should agencies argue the money should

:01:52. > :02:01.only be used to reduce poverty. only be used to reduce poverty.

:02:02. > :02:04.

:02:04. > :02:05.only be used to reduce poverty. The political supremacy of the ANC

:02:05. > :02:06.The political supremacy of the ANC The political supremacy of the ANC

:02:06. > :02:08.in post-apartheid South Africa has in post-apartheid South Africa has

:02:08. > :02:09.never been seriously threatened. never been seriously threatened.

:02:09. > :02:12.never been seriously threatened. never been seriously threatened.

:02:12. > :02:14.But could that be about to change? But could that be about to change?

:02:14. > :02:16.Like yesterday's Mamphela Ramphele, Like yesterday's Mamphela Ramphele,

:02:16. > :02:17.anti-apartheid activist, prominent anti-apartheid activist, prominent

:02:18. > :02:19.anti-apartheid activist, prominent public figure and former partner of

:02:19. > :02:21.public figure and former partner of public figure and former partner of

:02:21. > :02:23.the late Kerobakan, one of the the late Kerobakan, one of the

:02:23. > :02:24.the late Kerobakan, one of the heroes of the liberation struggle.

:02:24. > :02:25.heroes of the liberation struggle. heroes of the liberation struggle.

:02:25. > :02:27.heroes of the liberation struggle. -- the late Steve Biko. She has

:02:27. > :02:28.-- the late Steve Biko. She has -- the late Steve Biko. She has

:02:28. > :02:30.launched an outspoken attack on the launched an outspoken attack on the

:02:30. > :02:31.launched an outspoken attack on the failings of the ANC government. She

:02:31. > :02:32.failings of the ANC government. She failings of the ANC government. She

:02:32. > :02:34.failings of the ANC government. She says she is on a journey to realise

:02:34. > :02:44.says she is on a journey to realise says she is on a journey to realise

:02:44. > :03:03.

:03:03. > :03:06.South Africa's dreams. How far will Mamphela Ramphele, in Cape Town,

:03:06. > :03:07.Mamphela Ramphele, in Cape Town, Mamphela Ramphele, in Cape Town,

:03:07. > :03:08.South Africa, welcome to HARDtalk. South Africa, welcome to HARDtalk.

:03:08. > :03:09.South Africa, welcome to HARDtalk. South Africa, welcome to HARDtalk.

:03:09. > :03:10.Let me begin by quoting words of Let me begin by quoting words of

:03:10. > :03:11.Let me begin by quoting words of Let me begin by quoting words of

:03:11. > :03:12.your own from just four months ago, your own from just four months ago,

:03:12. > :03:15.your own from just four months ago, your own from just four months ago,

:03:15. > :03:16.when you said it would have to take when you said it would have to take

:03:16. > :03:18.when you said it would have to take something very dramatic to make me

:03:18. > :03:19.something very dramatic to make me something very dramatic to make me

:03:19. > :03:25.want to get involved in active want to get involved in active

:03:25. > :03:29.want to get involved in active want to get involved in active

:03:29. > :03:30.politics. What was it? It is a politics. What was it? It is a

:03:30. > :03:31.politics. What was it? It is a realisation of the problems my

:03:31. > :03:33.realisation of the problems my realisation of the problems my

:03:33. > :03:35.beloved country is facing, as well beloved country is facing, as well

:03:35. > :03:36.beloved country is facing, as well as the wonderful opportunities that

:03:36. > :03:37.as the wonderful opportunities that as the wonderful opportunities that

:03:37. > :03:40.as the wonderful opportunities that still remain in my society for it

:03:40. > :03:41.still remain in my society for it still remain in my society for it

:03:41. > :03:42.still remain in my society for it to realise it's great for us.

:03:42. > :03:45.to realise it's great for us. to realise it's great for us.

:03:45. > :03:46.you talk about the enormous risks you talk about the enormous risks

:03:46. > :03:49.you talk about the enormous risks for your country, are you

:03:49. > :03:50.for your country, are you for your country, are you

:03:50. > :03:50.suggesting that those risks have suggesting that those risks have

:03:50. > :03:54.suggesting that those risks have risen exponentially in the past

:03:55. > :03:57.risen exponentially in the past risen exponentially in the past

:03:57. > :03:59.risen exponentially in the past year or two? They have indeed. But

:03:59. > :04:04.year or two? They have indeed. But year or two? They have indeed. But

:04:04. > :04:07.so also has the quality of so also has the quality of

:04:07. > :04:08.so also has the quality of government accelerated. One was sad

:04:08. > :04:09.government accelerated. One was sad government accelerated. One was sad

:04:09. > :04:11.to see 2012 have spent on to see 2012 have spent on

:04:11. > :04:14.to see 2012 have spent on celebrating a glorious past by the

:04:14. > :04:15.celebrating a glorious past by the celebrating a glorious past by the

:04:15. > :04:18.governing party instead of focusing governing party instead of focusing

:04:18. > :04:19.governing party instead of focusing governing party instead of focusing

:04:19. > :04:21.on how do we get ourselves out of on how do we get ourselves out of

:04:21. > :04:25.on how do we get ourselves out of the many, many challengers that

:04:25. > :04:27.the many, many challengers that affect our society, education,

:04:27. > :04:29.affect our society, education, affect our society, education,

:04:29. > :04:30.which by the government's own which by the government's own

:04:30. > :04:33.which by the government's own admission, 80% of public schools

:04:33. > :04:35.admission, 80% of public schools are dysfunctional. The healthcare

:04:35. > :04:36.are dysfunctional. The healthcare are dysfunctional. The healthcare

:04:36. > :04:38.system is collapsing left, right system is collapsing left, right

:04:38. > :04:40.system is collapsing left, right and centre. There is enormous crime

:04:40. > :04:43.and centre. There is enormous crime and centre. There is enormous crime

:04:43. > :04:46.and centre. There is enormous crime and insecurity in our midst. We are

:04:46. > :04:48.and insecurity in our midst. We are and insecurity in our midst. We are

:04:48. > :04:53.and insecurity in our midst. We are facing a major challenge of 71% of

:04:53. > :04:56.facing a major challenge of 71% of facing a major challenge of 71% of

:04:56. > :04:57.the 15-34 homes that are not the 15-34 homes that are not

:04:57. > :04:58.the 15-34 homes that are not participating in the economy. It is

:04:58. > :05:00.participating in the economy. It is participating in the economy. It is

:05:00. > :05:01.participating in the economy. It is a risk however you look at it. At

:05:01. > :05:03.a risk however you look at it. At a risk however you look at it. At

:05:03. > :05:04.a risk however you look at it. At the same time, when you look at the

:05:04. > :05:06.the same time, when you look at the the same time, when you look at the

:05:06. > :05:07.areas where South Africa is really, areas where South Africa is really,

:05:07. > :05:08.areas where South Africa is really, areas where South Africa is really,

:05:08. > :05:09.truly great, we are able to manage truly great, we are able to manage

:05:10. > :05:12.truly great, we are able to manage one of the most respected financial

:05:12. > :05:16.one of the most respected financial one of the most respected financial

:05:16. > :05:17.services. We have got enormous services. We have got enormous

:05:17. > :05:19.services. We have got enormous services. We have got enormous

:05:19. > :05:20.wealth in our poster in terms of wealth in our poster in terms of

:05:20. > :05:23.wealth in our poster in terms of minerals. We have got a wonderful

:05:23. > :05:23.minerals. We have got a wonderful minerals. We have got a wonderful

:05:23. > :05:30.country. People just love visiting country. People just love visiting

:05:30. > :05:31.country. People just love visiting it. We also have wonderful people.

:05:31. > :05:32.it. We also have wonderful people. it. We also have wonderful people.

:05:32. > :05:37.Countries and societies have built Countries and societies have built

:05:37. > :05:38.Countries and societies have built Countries and societies have built

:05:38. > :05:39.by their people. You raise some of by their people. You raise some of

:05:39. > :05:40.by their people. You raise some of the challenges in different areas

:05:40. > :05:41.the challenges in different areas the challenges in different areas

:05:41. > :05:43.of policy-making. I want to go of policy-making. I want to go

:05:43. > :05:44.of policy-making. I want to go of policy-making. I want to go

:05:44. > :05:45.through goes with you. Before we do through goes with you. Before we do

:05:45. > :05:47.through goes with you. Before we do through goes with you. Before we do

:05:47. > :05:48.that, I want to ask you a general that, I want to ask you a general

:05:48. > :05:50.that, I want to ask you a general question. Many people watching this

:05:50. > :05:52.question. Many people watching this question. Many people watching this

:05:52. > :05:52.programme it in and beyond South programme it in and beyond South

:05:52. > :05:54.programme it in and beyond South Africa will always associate you

:05:54. > :05:54.Africa will always associate you Africa will always associate you

:05:54. > :05:56.Africa will always associate you with Steve Biko. You were a partner

:05:56. > :05:57.with Steve Biko. You were a partner with Steve Biko. You were a partner

:05:57. > :05:58.with him in the black consciousness with him in the black consciousness

:05:58. > :06:01.movement. You were romantically movement. You were romantically

:06:01. > :06:02.movement. You were romantically movement. You were romantically

:06:02. > :06:06.involved with him. You raise a sum involved with him. You raise a sum

:06:06. > :06:07.involved with him. You raise a sum involved with him. You raise a sum

:06:07. > :06:08.that was his son. He said that she that was his son. He said that she

:06:08. > :06:09.that was his son. He said that she that was his son. He said that she

:06:09. > :06:11.shared his vision of what it meant shared his vision of what it meant

:06:11. > :06:13.shared his vision of what it meant for liberation. It was about black

:06:13. > :06:14.for liberation. It was about black for liberation. It was about black

:06:14. > :06:15.self-reliance and a black South self-reliance and a black South

:06:15. > :06:17.Africans taking responsibility for Africans taking responsibility for

:06:17. > :06:18.Africans taking responsibility for themselves and avoiding any sense

:06:18. > :06:20.themselves and avoiding any sense themselves and avoiding any sense

:06:20. > :06:23.themselves and avoiding any sense of victim would. Is it those ideas

:06:23. > :06:25.of victim would. Is it those ideas of victim would. Is it those ideas

:06:25. > :06:26.that drive you today? Indeed. One that drive you today? Indeed. One

:06:26. > :06:27.that drive you today? Indeed. One of the saddest things in South

:06:27. > :06:28.of the saddest things in South of the saddest things in South

:06:28. > :06:30.of the saddest things in South Africa is to see the majority of

:06:30. > :06:33.Africa is to see the majority of Africa is to see the majority of

:06:33. > :06:34.South Africans, black and white, South Africans, black and white,

:06:34. > :06:36.South Africans, black and white, South Africans, black and white,

:06:36. > :06:38.still trapped in the mind sets of still trapped in the mind sets of

:06:38. > :06:40.still trapped in the mind sets of inferiority on the part of many

:06:40. > :06:40.inferiority on the part of many inferiority on the part of many

:06:40. > :06:42.black people and superiority on the black people and superiority on the

:06:42. > :06:45.black people and superiority on the part of a significant number of

:06:45. > :06:47.part of a significant number of part of a significant number of

:06:47. > :06:48.white people. We have not taken white people. We have not taken

:06:48. > :06:50.white people. We have not taken advantage of the freedom we now

:06:50. > :06:50.advantage of the freedom we now advantage of the freedom we now

:06:51. > :06:53.advantage of the freedom we now enjoy now to sit down and have

:06:53. > :06:55.enjoy now to sit down and have enjoy now to sit down and have

:06:55. > :06:56.serious conversations about what it serious conversations about what it

:06:56. > :06:58.serious conversations about what it means to be citizens of a

:06:58. > :07:00.means to be citizens of a constitutional democracy. Having

:07:00. > :07:03.constitutional democracy. Having constitutional democracy. Having

:07:03. > :07:05.constitutional democracy. Having grown up, many of us, to fight and

:07:05. > :07:07.grown up, many of us, to fight and grown up, many of us, to fight and

:07:07. > :07:09.later triumph over an authoritarian later triumph over an authoritarian

:07:09. > :07:10.later triumph over an authoritarian system where we are not subjects.

:07:10. > :07:12.system where we are not subjects. system where we are not subjects.

:07:12. > :07:14.We were not citizens, we were We were not citizens, we were

:07:14. > :07:18.We were not citizens, we were subject. The idea that she could

:07:18. > :07:23.subject. The idea that she could subject. The idea that she could

:07:23. > :07:25.simply make a step from Europe simply make a step from Europe

:07:25. > :07:28.simply make a step from Europe victim-a subject mentality to an

:07:28. > :07:30.victim-a subject mentality to an victim-a subject mentality to an

:07:30. > :07:31.active citizen status is really an active citizen status is really an

:07:31. > :07:35.underestimation of the challenges underestimation of the challenges

:07:35. > :07:36.underestimation of the challenges that we face. We were very

:07:36. > :07:37.that we face. We were very fortunate in the Black

:07:37. > :07:39.fortunate in the Black consciousness Movement to go

:07:39. > :07:41.consciousness Movement to go through the psychological

:07:41. > :07:42.through the psychological liberation which many South

:07:42. > :07:44.liberation which many South liberation which many South

:07:44. > :07:46.Africans have still not undergone. Africans have still not undergone.

:07:46. > :07:47.Africans have still not undergone. It is interesting to recall that

:07:47. > :07:48.It is interesting to recall that It is interesting to recall that

:07:48. > :07:50.It is interesting to recall that Steve Biko was not a member of the

:07:50. > :07:51.Steve Biko was not a member of the Steve Biko was not a member of the

:07:51. > :07:53.Steve Biko was not a member of the ANC. You were not a member of the

:07:53. > :07:54.ANC. You were not a member of the ANC. You were not a member of the

:07:54. > :07:57.ANC. You were not a member of the ANC. You have never been a member,

:07:57. > :07:59.ANC. You have never been a member, ANC. You have never been a member,

:07:59. > :08:01.is that correct? That is correct. is that correct? That is correct.

:08:01. > :08:03.is that correct? That is correct. is that correct? That is correct.

:08:03. > :08:05.When we were activists, it was a When we were activists, it was a

:08:05. > :08:06.When we were activists, it was a banned organisation. We decided to

:08:06. > :08:08.banned organisation. We decided to banned organisation. We decided to

:08:08. > :08:10.establish something that would be establish something that would be

:08:10. > :08:12.establish something that would be able to function within the

:08:12. > :08:14.able to function within the able to function within the

:08:14. > :08:15.constraints of that particular time. constraints of that particular time.

:08:15. > :08:16.constraints of that particular time. Some people inside the ANC have

:08:16. > :08:17.Some people inside the ANC have Some people inside the ANC have

:08:18. > :08:19.reacted pretty badly to your reacted pretty badly to your

:08:19. > :08:22.reacted pretty badly to your decision to enter active politics

:08:22. > :08:24.decision to enter active politics decision to enter active politics

:08:24. > :08:25.and launch an attack on the and launch an attack on the

:08:25. > :08:26.and launch an attack on the Government's's record of the ANC.

:08:26. > :08:26.Government's's record of the ANC. Government's's record of the ANC.

:08:26. > :08:28.Government's's record of the ANC. They point to the fact that you

:08:28. > :08:31.They point to the fact that you They point to the fact that you

:08:31. > :08:32.have always had a problem against have always had a problem against

:08:32. > :08:33.have always had a problem against them. They 0.2 things Equitation of

:08:33. > :08:37.them. They 0.2 things Equitation of them. They 0.2 things Equitation of

:08:37. > :08:38.them. They 0.2 things Equitation of them just a month ago. You set in

:08:38. > :08:38.them just a month ago. You set in them just a month ago. You set in

:08:38. > :08:41.1994 we should have thanked the 1994 we should have thanked the

:08:41. > :08:43.1994 we should have thanked the warriors of the struggle. We should

:08:43. > :08:43.warriors of the struggle. We should warriors of the struggle. We should

:08:43. > :08:44.warriors of the struggle. We should have decorated with the gold and it

:08:44. > :08:46.have decorated with the gold and it have decorated with the gold and it

:08:46. > :08:47.have decorated with the gold and it let them go so we could build a

:08:47. > :08:48.let them go so we could build a proper democratic dispensation.

:08:49. > :08:51.proper democratic dispensation. proper democratic dispensation.

:08:51. > :08:55.Where does that leave Nelson Where does that leave Nelson

:08:55. > :08:56.Mandela? He understood precisely Mandela? He understood precisely

:08:56. > :08:59.Mandela? He understood precisely that. He surrounded himself with

:08:59. > :09:03.that. He surrounded himself with that. He surrounded himself with

:09:03. > :09:04.young people. A lot of people young people. A lot of people

:09:04. > :09:07.young people. A lot of people young people. A lot of people

:09:07. > :09:08.inside the country, but not in the inside the country, but not in the

:09:08. > :09:09.inside the country, but not in the organisation. The report into that

:09:09. > :09:12.organisation. The report into that government for their technical

:09:12. > :09:14.government for their technical government for their technical

:09:14. > :09:16.skills. He understood that. But you skills. He understood that. But you

:09:16. > :09:18.skills. He understood that. But you are attacking, are you not, the

:09:18. > :09:19.are attacking, are you not, the are attacking, are you not, the

:09:19. > :09:21.legacy of Nelson Mandela and the legacy of Nelson Mandela and the

:09:21. > :09:22.legacy of Nelson Mandela and the other freedom fighters. You are

:09:22. > :09:24.other freedom fighters. You are other freedom fighters. You are

:09:24. > :09:25.suggesting that the ANC has failed suggesting that the ANC has failed

:09:25. > :09:28.suggesting that the ANC has failed and betrayed the people of your

:09:28. > :09:31.and betrayed the people of your and betrayed the people of your

:09:31. > :09:32.country. If you listen to my country. If you listen to my

:09:32. > :09:35.country. If you listen to my country. If you listen to my

:09:35. > :09:35.criticism of the and c, I always criticism of the and c, I always

:09:35. > :09:37.criticism of the and c, I always acknowledge that which is laudable

:09:37. > :09:38.acknowledge that which is laudable acknowledge that which is laudable

:09:38. > :09:40.acknowledge that which is laudable that they have done. Even in my

:09:40. > :09:43.that they have done. Even in my announcement speech, I acknowledge

:09:43. > :09:45.announcement speech, I acknowledge Nelson Mandela's inaugural speech.

:09:45. > :09:46.Nelson Mandela's inaugural speech. Nelson Mandela's inaugural speech.

:09:46. > :09:48.Nelson Mandela's inaugural speech. I am not in the business of

:09:48. > :09:49.I am not in the business of I am not in the business of

:09:49. > :09:52.I am not in the business of attacking. I am in the business of

:09:52. > :09:54.attacking. I am in the business of constructive criticism and proposal

:09:54. > :09:55.constructive criticism and proposal constructive criticism and proposal

:09:55. > :09:57.of alternatives. That is precisely of alternatives. That is precisely

:09:57. > :09:58.of alternatives. That is precisely of alternatives. That is precisely

:09:58. > :09:59.what I am doing. When you say what I am doing. When you say

:09:59. > :10:01.what I am doing. When you say you're not in the business of

:10:01. > :10:01.you're not in the business of you're not in the business of

:10:01. > :10:03.you're not in the business of attacking, I just wonder why in the

:10:03. > :10:04.attacking, I just wonder why in the attacking, I just wonder why in the

:10:04. > :10:05.course of launching a political course of launching a political

:10:05. > :10:08.course of launching a political movement you chose to talk about

:10:08. > :10:13.movement you chose to talk about movement you chose to talk about

:10:13. > :10:16.movement you chose to talk about the ANC leadership as one of --

:10:16. > :10:20.the ANC leadership as one of -- authoritarian, nepotism and corrupt.

:10:20. > :10:21.authoritarian, nepotism and corrupt. authoritarian, nepotism and corrupt.

:10:21. > :10:23.The ANC itself acknowledges that The ANC itself acknowledges that

:10:23. > :10:29.their organisation and the their organisation and the

:10:29. > :10:30.Government is riddled with Government is riddled with

:10:30. > :10:31.Government is riddled with corruption. That is a statement of

:10:31. > :10:32.corruption. That is a statement of corruption. That is a statement of

:10:32. > :10:36.corruption. That is a statement of fact. There is no way I can talk

:10:36. > :10:38.fact. There is no way I can talk about launching a political

:10:38. > :10:40.about launching a political about launching a political

:10:40. > :10:42.platform without referring to the platform without referring to the

:10:42. > :10:45.monumental failure in government. monumental failure in government.

:10:45. > :10:48.monumental failure in government. That failure is acknowledged by the

:10:48. > :10:49.That failure is acknowledged by the That failure is acknowledged by the

:10:49. > :10:50.ANC. Where have we seen a ANC. Where have we seen a

:10:50. > :10:52.ANC. Where have we seen a Government who spends as much money

:10:52. > :10:54.Government who spends as much money Government who spends as much money

:10:54. > :10:56.on education as our government does on education as our government does

:10:56. > :10:58.on education as our government does and it fails to even deliver

:10:58. > :10:59.and it fails to even deliver and it fails to even deliver

:10:59. > :11:01.textbooks? That is not something textbooks? That is not something

:11:01. > :11:02.textbooks? That is not something textbooks? That is not something

:11:02. > :11:04.that one can find excuses for. It that one can find excuses for. It

:11:04. > :11:05.that one can find excuses for. It that one can find excuses for. It

:11:05. > :11:06.is monumental failure. It has to be is monumental failure. It has to be

:11:06. > :11:08.is monumental failure. It has to be is monumental failure. It has to be

:11:08. > :11:09.acknowledged so we can look at why. acknowledged so we can look at why.

:11:09. > :11:11.South Africa has fundamental South Africa has fundamental

:11:11. > :11:13.South Africa has fundamental problems, you have pointed it out.

:11:13. > :11:15.problems, you have pointed it out. problems, you have pointed it out.

:11:15. > :11:16.problems, you have pointed it out. It is one of the most unequal

:11:16. > :11:17.It is one of the most unequal It is one of the most unequal

:11:17. > :11:18.societies in the world according to societies in the world according to

:11:18. > :11:19.societies in the world according to all of the global statistical

:11:19. > :11:20.all of the global statistical all of the global statistical

:11:20. > :11:22.analysis. I wonder how you think analysis. I wonder how you think

:11:22. > :11:23.analysis. I wonder how you think analysis. I wonder how you think

:11:23. > :11:27.you're going to reach out to the you're going to reach out to the

:11:27. > :11:30.you're going to reach out to the poor majority in South Africa.

:11:30. > :11:31.poor majority in South Africa. poor majority in South Africa.

:11:31. > :11:33.believe that the very failures of believe that the very failures of

:11:33. > :11:42.believe that the very failures of our opportunities to get people to

:11:42. > :11:44.our opportunities to get people to our opportunities to get people to

:11:44. > :11:46.talk about how they experience an talk about how they experience an

:11:46. > :11:47.unbelievable phenomenon of parents unbelievable phenomenon of parents

:11:48. > :11:48.unbelievable phenomenon of parents not being sure that their children

:11:48. > :11:50.not being sure that their children not being sure that their children

:11:50. > :11:53.not being sure that their children have going to be better off than

:11:53. > :11:54.have going to be better off than have going to be better off than

:11:54. > :11:54.they are. We grew up under they are. We grew up under

:11:54. > :11:58.they are. We grew up under apartheid when things were really

:11:58. > :12:00.apartheid when things were really apartheid when things were really

:12:00. > :12:02.bad. I remember going to school bad. I remember going to school

:12:02. > :12:03.bad. I remember going to school with children from farm workers.

:12:03. > :12:05.with children from farm workers. with children from farm workers.

:12:05. > :12:06.Their parents brought them to Their parents brought them to

:12:06. > :12:09.Their parents brought them to school, knowing that if those

:12:09. > :12:10.school, knowing that if those school, knowing that if those

:12:10. > :12:12.children get through, they will be children get through, they will be

:12:12. > :12:15.children get through, they will be children get through, they will be

:12:15. > :12:18.in a better position. We, with more in a better position. We, with more

:12:18. > :12:19.in a better position. We, with more money, because of poorer governance

:12:19. > :12:22.money, because of poorer governance money, because of poorer governance

:12:22. > :12:23.money, because of poorer governance have failed to make that dream that

:12:23. > :12:25.have failed to make that dream that have failed to make that dream that

:12:25. > :12:26.every parent has, that my children every parent has, that my children

:12:26. > :12:29.every parent has, that my children every parent has, that my children

:12:29. > :12:30.have going to be much better off. have going to be much better off.

:12:30. > :12:32.have going to be much better off. understand your diagnosis of the

:12:32. > :12:32.understand your diagnosis of the understand your diagnosis of the

:12:32. > :12:34.understand your diagnosis of the problem. But my question is how you,

:12:34. > :12:36.problem. But my question is how you, problem. But my question is how you,

:12:36. > :12:37.Mamphela Ramphele, will reach out Mamphela Ramphele, will reach out

:12:37. > :12:39.Mamphela Ramphele, will reach out to the majority of poor South

:12:39. > :12:39.to the majority of poor South to the majority of poor South

:12:39. > :12:40.Africans. Convince them that you Africans. Convince them that you

:12:41. > :12:43.Africans. Convince them that you have their best interests at heart.

:12:43. > :12:43.have their best interests at heart. have their best interests at heart.

:12:44. > :12:45.have their best interests at heart. If one looks set to record since

:12:45. > :12:47.If one looks set to record since If one looks set to record since

:12:47. > :12:48.1994, you have had a fabulous 1994, you have had a fabulous

:12:48. > :12:50.1994, you have had a fabulous career. You have led a top

:12:50. > :12:51.career. You have led a top career. You have led a top

:12:51. > :12:54.university. You have worked for the university. You have worked for the

:12:54. > :12:55.World Bank. You had showed one of World Bank. You had showed one of

:12:55. > :12:56.the biggest gold mining the biggest gold mining

:12:56. > :12:57.the biggest gold mining corporations in South Africa. But

:12:57. > :12:59.corporations in South Africa. But corporations in South Africa. But

:12:59. > :13:00.corporations in South Africa. But it looks as though you have had the

:13:00. > :13:01.it looks as though you have had the it looks as though you have had the

:13:01. > :13:07.sort of career art that sort of career art that

:13:07. > :13:09.sort of career art that characterises the black elite. How

:13:09. > :13:10.characterises the black elite. How characterises the black elite. How

:13:10. > :13:12.can you convince poor South can you convince poor South

:13:12. > :13:13.can you convince poor South Africans that you really get it

:13:13. > :13:15.Africans that you really get it Africans that you really get it

:13:15. > :13:16.Africans that you really get it from their point of you? If you

:13:16. > :13:18.from their point of you? If you from their point of you? If you

:13:18. > :13:19.from their point of you? If you come with me to the Eastern Cape,

:13:19. > :13:20.come with me to the Eastern Cape, come with me to the Eastern Cape,

:13:20. > :13:22.come with me to the Eastern Cape, where I have been working, it is

:13:22. > :13:24.where I have been working, it is where I have been working, it is

:13:24. > :13:27.interesting that that part of my interesting that that part of my

:13:27. > :13:28.interesting that that part of my career is discounted. I have been

:13:28. > :13:31.career is discounted. I have been career is discounted. I have been

:13:31. > :13:35.working in the Eastern Cape. With working in the Eastern Cape. With

:13:35. > :13:39.working in the Eastern Cape. With very poor people. To try and

:13:39. > :13:41.very poor people. To try and revitalise primary healthcare. I

:13:41. > :13:42.revitalise primary healthcare. I revitalise primary healthcare. I

:13:42. > :13:43.have an understanding as a member have an understanding as a member

:13:43. > :13:45.have an understanding as a member have an understanding as a member

:13:45. > :13:47.of the circle with the Eastern Cape of the circle with the Eastern Cape

:13:47. > :13:50.of the circle with the Eastern Cape government. Another example of how

:13:50. > :13:51.government. Another example of how I work with government.

:13:51. > :13:54.I work with government. Unfortunately, our government in

:13:54. > :13:55.Unfortunately, our government in Unfortunately, our government in

:13:55. > :13:57.the Eastern Cape collapsed. There the Eastern Cape collapsed. There

:13:57. > :14:01.the Eastern Cape collapsed. There the Eastern Cape collapsed. There

:14:01. > :14:02.is no way that the efforts of is no way that the efforts of

:14:02. > :14:04.is no way that the efforts of society organisations that I found

:14:04. > :14:07.society organisations that I found society organisations that I found

:14:07. > :14:10.society organisations that I found it can succeed. If you go to some

:14:10. > :14:11.it can succeed. If you go to some provinces, I support the community

:14:11. > :14:13.provinces, I support the community provinces, I support the community

:14:13. > :14:14.in the village where my mother's in the village where my mother's

:14:14. > :14:15.in the village where my mother's in the village where my mother's

:14:15. > :14:17.home state is. I support the local home state is. I support the local

:14:17. > :14:18.home state is. I support the local school which is producing fabulous

:14:18. > :14:20.school which is producing fabulous school which is producing fabulous

:14:20. > :14:22.results in the midst of poverty. results in the midst of poverty.

:14:22. > :14:23.results in the midst of poverty. The Community has had to collect

:14:23. > :14:25.The Community has had to collect The Community has had to collect

:14:25. > :14:27.The Community has had to collect money to pay for a science teacher.

:14:27. > :14:28.money to pay for a science teacher. money to pay for a science teacher.

:14:28. > :14:29.money to pay for a science teacher. I am contributing to that as a

:14:29. > :14:30.I am contributing to that as a I am contributing to that as a

:14:30. > :14:32.I am contributing to that as a resident. Let me be blunt about it.

:14:32. > :14:34.resident. Let me be blunt about it. resident. Let me be blunt about it.

:14:34. > :14:35.You talk about to grassroots record. You talk about to grassroots record.

:14:35. > :14:35.You talk about to grassroots record. You talk about to grassroots record.

:14:35. > :14:37.Do you regret for the past few Do you regret for the past few

:14:37. > :14:39.Do you regret for the past few years sitting as the figurehead

:14:39. > :14:45.years sitting as the figurehead years sitting as the figurehead

:14:45. > :14:46.years sitting as the figurehead chairperson as one of the -- South

:14:46. > :14:48.chairperson as one of the -- South Africa's biggest gold mining

:14:48. > :14:50.Africa's biggest gold mining Africa's biggest gold mining

:14:50. > :14:50.corporations. Why must I regret corporations. Why must I regret

:14:50. > :14:51.corporations. Why must I regret corporations. Why must I regret

:14:51. > :14:54.being part of the economy that I am being part of the economy that I am

:14:54. > :14:56.being part of the economy that I am part of as a citizen. People

:14:56. > :15:01.part of as a citizen. People confuse participation in the

:15:01. > :15:02.confuse participation in the confuse participation in the

:15:02. > :15:05.economy, at whatever level. I am economy, at whatever level. I am

:15:05. > :15:05.economy, at whatever level. I am making a contribution. I will tell

:15:05. > :15:06.making a contribution. I will tell making a contribution. I will tell

:15:06. > :15:08.you where some South Africans might you where some South Africans might

:15:08. > :15:09.you where some South Africans might you where some South Africans might

:15:09. > :15:10.think it is something that does not think it is something that does not

:15:10. > :15:11.think it is something that does not square easily with your stated

:15:11. > :15:13.square easily with your stated square easily with your stated

:15:13. > :15:15.commitment to the poor majority. commitment to the poor majority.

:15:15. > :15:17.commitment to the poor majority. The Trade Union Confederation, when

:15:17. > :15:19.The Trade Union Confederation, when The Trade Union Confederation, when

:15:19. > :15:21.you announced that you were you announced that you were

:15:21. > :15:22.entering politics, said, how entering politics, said, how

:15:22. > :15:23.entering politics, said, how seriously can we take someone who

:15:23. > :15:25.seriously can we take someone who seriously can we take someone who

:15:25. > :15:26.seriously can we take someone who has stepped down from a big and

:15:26. > :15:28.has stepped down from a big and has stepped down from a big and

:15:28. > :15:29.ruthless mining company and now ruthless mining company and now

:15:29. > :15:39.talks of transforming an talks of transforming an

:15:39. > :16:01.

:16:02. > :16:02.So I don't think we should demonise So I don't think we should demonise

:16:02. > :16:03.So I don't think we should demonise people for participating in the

:16:04. > :16:05.people for participating in the people for participating in the

:16:05. > :16:06.economy of their own country. economy of their own country.

:16:06. > :16:07.economy of their own country. economy of their own country.

:16:07. > :16:08.issue is, what do you do when issue is, what do you do when

:16:08. > :16:09.issue is, what do you do when you're there? If people were to

:16:09. > :16:10.you're there? If people were to you're there? If people were to

:16:10. > :16:11.you're there? If people were to look at what contribution I made to

:16:11. > :16:12.look at what contribution I made to look at what contribution I made to

:16:12. > :16:13.Gold Fields by sitting on that Gold Fields by sitting on that

:16:13. > :16:14.Gold Fields by sitting on that board, that's a different matter,

:16:14. > :16:15.board, that's a different matter, board, that's a different matter,

:16:15. > :16:17.board, that's a different matter, in the same way that when I became

:16:17. > :16:18.in the same way that when I became the Vice-Chancellor, people are

:16:18. > :16:19.the Vice-Chancellor, people are the Vice-Chancellor, people are

:16:19. > :16:20.saying, why are you dignyifying a saying, why are you dignyifying a

:16:20. > :16:21.saying, why are you dignyifying a white male university. It's not a

:16:21. > :16:22.white male university. It's not a white male university. It's not a

:16:22. > :16:23.white male university, it's a South white male university, it's a South

:16:23. > :16:24.white male university, it's a South African instuetion and we need to

:16:24. > :16:25.African instuetion and we need to African instuetion and we need to

:16:25. > :16:26.be able to transform this be able to transform this

:16:26. > :16:27.be able to transform this institution and more -- South

:16:27. > :16:37.institution and more -- South institution and more -- South

:16:37. > :16:40.

:16:40. > :16:40.on mining. The National Union of Mineworkers points out

:16:40. > :16:40.Mineworkers points out that

:16:40. > :16:41.on mining. The National Union of Mineworkers points out that while

:16:41. > :16:41.Mineworkers points out that while you

:16:41. > :16:41.you were

:16:41. > :16:41.Mineworkers points out that while you were sitting

:16:41. > :16:42.you were sitting as

:16:42. > :16:42.Mineworkers points out that while you were sitting as chair

:16:42. > :16:42.you were sitting as chair of

:16:42. > :16:42.Mineworkers points out that while you were sitting as chair of the

:16:42. > :16:43.you were sitting as chair of the board,

:16:43. > :16:43.board, the

:16:43. > :16:43.you were sitting as chair of the board, the company

:16:43. > :16:44.board, the company had

:16:44. > :16:44.you were sitting as chair of the board, the company had a

:16:44. > :16:44.board, the company had a poor

:16:44. > :16:44.board, the company had a poor health

:16:44. > :16:45.health and

:16:45. > :16:45.board, the company had a poor health and safety

:16:45. > :16:45.health and safety record.

:16:45. > :16:46.board, the company had a poor health and safety record. You,

:16:46. > :16:46.health and safety record. You, according

:16:46. > :16:46.according to

:16:46. > :16:46.health and safety record. You, according to the

:16:46. > :16:47.according to the union,

:16:47. > :16:47.health and safety record. You, according to the union, legitimated

:16:47. > :16:47.according to the union, legitimated a

:16:47. > :16:47.a white

:16:48. > :16:48.according to the union, legitimated a white minority

:16:48. > :16:48.a white minority power

:16:48. > :16:48.according to the union, legitimated a white minority power in

:16:48. > :16:49.a white minority power in the

:16:49. > :16:49.a white minority power in the industry

:16:49. > :16:49.industry and

:16:49. > :16:49.a white minority power in the industry and they

:16:49. > :16:50.industry and they say

:16:50. > :16:50.a white minority power in the industry and they say that

:16:50. > :16:50.industry and they say that your

:16:50. > :16:51.industry and they say that your programme

:16:51. > :16:51.programme of

:16:51. > :16:51.industry and they say that your programme of action

:16:51. > :16:51.programme of action in

:16:51. > :16:52.industry and they say that your programme of action in the

:16:52. > :16:52.programme of action in the mining

:16:52. > :16:52.programme of action in the mining industry

:16:52. > :16:53.industry suggests

:16:53. > :16:53.programme of action in the mining industry suggests you

:16:53. > :16:53.industry suggests you want

:16:53. > :16:53.programme of action in the mining industry suggests you want to

:16:53. > :16:54.industry suggests you want to shed

:16:54. > :16:54.industry suggests you want to shed tens,

:16:54. > :16:54.tens, if

:16:54. > :16:55.industry suggests you want to shed tens, if not

:16:55. > :16:55.tens, if not hundreds

:16:55. > :16:55.industry suggests you want to shed tens, if not hundreds of

:16:55. > :16:55.tens, if not hundreds of thousands

:16:55. > :16:56.tens, if not hundreds of thousands of

:16:56. > :16:56.of jobs,

:16:56. > :16:56.tens, if not hundreds of thousands of jobs, you

:16:56. > :16:56.of jobs, you refer

:16:56. > :16:57.tens, if not hundreds of thousands of jobs, you refer to

:16:57. > :16:57.of jobs, you refer to it

:16:57. > :16:57.tens, if not hundreds of thousands of jobs, you refer to it as

:16:57. > :16:58.of jobs, you refer to it as a

:16:58. > :16:58.tens, if not hundreds of thousands of jobs, you refer to it as a 19th

:16:58. > :16:58.of jobs, you refer to it as a 19th century

:16:58. > :16:58.century industry

:16:58. > :16:59.of jobs, you refer to it as a 19th century industry that

:16:59. > :16:59.century industry that needs

:16:59. > :16:59.of jobs, you refer to it as a 19th century industry that needs to

:16:59. > :17:00.century industry that needs to be

:17:00. > :17:00.century industry that needs to be reorganised

:17:00. > :17:00.reorganised on

:17:00. > :17:00.century industry that needs to be reorganised on 21st

:17:00. > :17:01.reorganised on 21st century

:17:01. > :17:01.century industry that needs to be reorganised on 21st century lines

:17:01. > :17:01.reorganised on 21st century lines with

:17:01. > :17:02.with more

:17:02. > :17:02.reorganised on 21st century lines with more meckenisation

:17:02. > :17:02.with more meckenisation and

:17:02. > :17:02.reorganised on 21st century lines with more meckenisation and which

:17:02. > :17:03.with more meckenisation and which will

:17:03. > :17:03.will create

:17:03. > :17:03.with more meckenisation and which will create less

:17:03. > :17:03.will create less jobs.

:17:04. > :17:04.with more meckenisation and which will create less jobs. That

:17:04. > :17:04.will create less jobs. That doesn't

:17:04. > :17:04.will create less jobs. That doesn't please

:17:04. > :17:05.please many

:17:05. > :17:05.will create less jobs. That doesn't please many who

:17:05. > :17:05.please many who work

:17:05. > :17:05.will create less jobs. That doesn't please many who work in

:17:05. > :17:06.please many who work in the

:17:06. > :17:06.please many who work in the industry

:17:06. > :17:14.industry today?

:17:14. > :17:14.please many who work in the industry today? If

:17:14. > :17:14.industry today? If we

:17:14. > :17:15.please many who work in the industry today? If we don't

:17:15. > :17:15.industry today? If we don't transform

:17:15. > :17:15.transform the

:17:15. > :17:16.industry today? If we don't transform the mining

:17:16. > :17:16.transform the mining industrial

:17:16. > :17:16.transform the mining industrial future,

:17:16. > :17:16.future, we

:17:16. > :17:17.transform the mining industrial future, we won't

:17:17. > :17:17.future, we won't be

:17:17. > :17:17.transform the mining industrial future, we won't be able

:17:17. > :17:17.future, we won't be able to

:17:17. > :17:18.transform the mining industrial future, we won't be able to deal

:17:18. > :17:18.future, we won't be able to deal with

:17:18. > :17:18.with health

:17:18. > :17:19.future, we won't be able to deal with health and

:17:19. > :17:19.with health and safety.

:17:19. > :17:19.future, we won't be able to deal with health and safety. You

:17:19. > :17:19.with health and safety. You can't

:17:19. > :17:20.with health and safety. You can't mine

:17:20. > :17:20.mine four

:17:20. > :17:20.with health and safety. You can't mine four kilometres

:17:20. > :17:20.

:17:20. > :17:21.with health and safety. You can't mine four kilometres underground

:17:21. > :17:21.mine four kilometres underground with

:17:21. > :17:21.with unskilled

:17:21. > :17:31.mine four kilometres underground with unskilled labour.

:17:31. > :17:31.with unskilled labour. What

:17:31. > :17:31.mine four kilometres underground with unskilled labour. What I

:17:31. > :17:32.with unskilled labour. What I proposed

:17:32. > :17:32.proposed in

:17:32. > :17:32.with unskilled labour. What I proposed in a

:17:32. > :17:32.proposed in a wide

:17:32. > :17:33.with unskilled labour. What I proposed in a wide ranging

:17:33. > :17:33.proposed in a wide ranging speech

:17:33. > :17:33.proposed in a wide ranging speech is

:17:33. > :17:33.is to

:17:33. > :17:34.proposed in a wide ranging speech is to look

:17:34. > :17:34.is to look at

:17:34. > :17:34.proposed in a wide ranging speech is to look at the

:17:34. > :17:35.is to look at the kind

:17:35. > :17:35.proposed in a wide ranging speech is to look at the kind of

:17:35. > :17:35.is to look at the kind of transformation

:17:35. > :17:35.transformation of

:17:36. > :17:36.is to look at the kind of transformation of the

:17:36. > :17:36.transformation of the industry

:17:36. > :17:36.transformation of the industry which

:17:36. > :17:37.which creates

:17:37. > :17:37.transformation of the industry which creates new

:17:37. > :17:43.which creates new jobs.

:17:43. > :17:43.transformation of the industry which creates new jobs. I

:17:43. > :17:44.which creates new jobs. I proposed,

:17:44. > :17:44.which creates new jobs. I proposed, and

:17:44. > :17:44.and we

:17:44. > :17:44.which creates new jobs. I proposed, and we are

:17:45. > :17:45.and we are already

:17:45. > :17:45.which creates new jobs. I proposed, and we are already experimenting

:17:45. > :17:45.and we are already experimenting within

:17:45. > :17:46.within Gold

:17:46. > :17:46.and we are already experimenting within Gold Fields,

:17:46. > :17:46.within Gold Fields, with

:17:46. > :17:46.and we are already experimenting within Gold Fields, with going

:17:47. > :17:47.within Gold Fields, with going back

:17:47. > :17:47.within Gold Fields, with going back to

:17:47. > :17:47.to linking

:17:47. > :17:48.within Gold Fields, with going back to linking the

:17:48. > :17:48.to linking the so-called

:17:48. > :17:48.within Gold Fields, with going back to linking the so-called labour

:17:48. > :17:49.to linking the so-called labour standing

:17:49. > :17:49.standing areas

:17:49. > :17:49.to linking the so-called labour standing areas with

:17:49. > :17:49.standing areas with the

:17:49. > :17:50.to linking the so-called labour standing areas with the mining

:17:50. > :17:50.standing areas with the mining industry

:17:50. > :17:50.industry so

:17:50. > :17:50.standing areas with the mining industry so we

:17:50. > :17:51.industry so we can

:17:51. > :17:51.standing areas with the mining industry so we can have

:17:51. > :17:51.industry so we can have the

:17:51. > :17:52.standing areas with the mining industry so we can have the east

:17:52. > :17:52.industry so we can have the east Eastern

:17:52. > :17:52.Eastern Cape,

:17:52. > :17:52.industry so we can have the east Eastern Cape, for

:17:52. > :17:53.Eastern Cape, for example,

:17:53. > :17:53.Eastern Cape, for example, providing

:17:53. > :17:53.providing the

:17:53. > :17:54.Eastern Cape, for example, providing the food,

:17:54. > :17:54.providing the food, becoming

:17:54. > :17:54.Eastern Cape, for example, providing the food, becoming the

:17:54. > :17:54.providing the food, becoming the food

:17:54. > :17:55.food basket

:17:55. > :17:55.providing the food, becoming the food basket of

:17:55. > :17:55.food basket of the

:17:55. > :17:55.providing the food, becoming the food basket of the mining

:17:55. > :18:01.food basket of the mining industry.

:18:01. > :18:01.food basket of the mining industry. That

:18:01. > :18:01.That is

:18:02. > :18:02.food basket of the mining industry. That is not

:18:02. > :18:02.That is not destroying

:18:02. > :18:02.food basket of the mining industry. That is not destroying jobs,

:18:02. > :18:03.That is not destroying jobs, that

:18:03. > :18:03.That is not destroying jobs, that is

:18:03. > :18:03.is creating

:18:03. > :18:03.That is not destroying jobs, that is creating new

:18:03. > :18:04.is creating new jobs,

:18:04. > :18:04.That is not destroying jobs, that is creating new jobs, new

:18:04. > :18:14.is creating new jobs, new livelihoods.

:18:14. > :18:21.

:18:21. > :18:21.livelihoods. In

:18:21. > :18:21.is creating new jobs, new livelihoods. In fact,

:18:21. > :18:22.livelihoods. In fact, uniting

:18:22. > :18:22.livelihoods. In fact, uniting miners

:18:22. > :18:22.miners with

:18:22. > :18:22.livelihoods. In fact, uniting miners with their

:18:22. > :18:25.miners with their families.

:18:25. > :18:25.livelihoods. In fact, uniting miners with their families. How

:18:25. > :18:25.miners with their families. How can

:18:26. > :18:26.miners with their families. How can that

:18:26. > :18:26.that be

:18:26. > :18:26.miners with their families. How can that be said

:18:26. > :18:27.that be said to

:18:27. > :18:27.miners with their families. How can that be said to be

:18:27. > :18:27.that be said to be something

:18:27. > :18:27.miners with their families. How can that be said to be something which

:18:27. > :18:28.that be said to be something which we

:18:28. > :18:28.we shouldn't

:18:28. > :18:28.that be said to be something which we shouldn't be

:18:28. > :18:29.we shouldn't be experimenting

:18:29. > :18:29.that be said to be something which we shouldn't be experimenting with

:18:29. > :18:29.we shouldn't be experimenting with and

:18:29. > :18:29.and celebrating?

:18:30. > :18:30.we shouldn't be experimenting with and celebrating? But

:18:30. > :18:30.and celebrating? But when

:18:30. > :18:30.we shouldn't be experimenting with and celebrating? But when you

:18:30. > :18:31.and celebrating? But when you launched

:18:31. > :18:31.launched your

:18:31. > :18:31.and celebrating? But when you launched your movement

:18:31. > :18:31.launched your movement a

:18:31. > :18:32.and celebrating? But when you launched your movement a few

:18:32. > :18:32.launched your movement a few days

:18:32. > :18:32.launched your movement a few days ago,

:18:32. > :18:32.ago, the

:18:33. > :18:33.launched your movement a few days ago, the Let's

:18:33. > :18:33.ago, the Let's Build

:18:33. > :18:33.launched your movement a few days ago, the Let's Build movement,

:18:33. > :18:34.ago, the Let's Build movement, and

:18:34. > :18:34.ago, the Let's Build movement, and talked

:18:34. > :18:34.talked about

:18:34. > :18:34.ago, the Let's Build movement, and talked about entering

:18:34. > :18:35.talked about entering politics,

:18:35. > :18:35.talked about entering politics, maybe

:18:35. > :18:35.maybe even

:18:35. > :18:36.talked about entering politics, maybe even fighting

:18:36. > :18:36.maybe even fighting the

:18:36. > :18:36.talked about entering politics, maybe even fighting the next

:18:36. > :18:36.maybe even fighting the next set

:18:36. > :18:37.talked about entering politics, maybe even fighting the next set of

:18:37. > :18:37.maybe even fighting the next set of elections

:18:37. > :18:37.elections in

:18:37. > :18:38.maybe even fighting the next set of elections in South

:18:38. > :18:38.elections in South Africa,

:18:38. > :18:38.maybe even fighting the next set of elections in South Africa, what

:18:38. > :18:38.elections in South Africa, what we

:18:38. > :18:39.elections in South Africa, what we didn't

:18:39. > :18:39.didn't hear

:18:39. > :18:39.elections in South Africa, what we didn't hear from

:18:39. > :18:39.didn't hear from you

:18:40. > :18:40.elections in South Africa, what we didn't hear from you were

:18:40. > :18:40.didn't hear from you were very

:18:40. > :18:40.didn't hear from you were very specific

:18:40. > :18:41.specific measures

:18:41. > :18:41.didn't hear from you were very specific measures in

:18:41. > :18:41.specific measures in the

:18:41. > :18:41.didn't hear from you were very specific measures in the economy

:18:42. > :18:42.specific measures in the economy that

:18:42. > :18:42.that would

:18:42. > :18:42.specific measures in the economy that would address

:18:42. > :18:43.that would address the

:18:43. > :18:43.specific measures in the economy that would address the inequality

:18:43. > :18:43.that would address the inequality gap

:18:43. > :18:43.gap I

:18:44. > :18:44.that would address the inequality gap I talked

:18:44. > :18:44.gap I talked about,

:18:44. > :18:44.that would address the inequality gap I talked about, that

:18:44. > :18:45.gap I talked about, that might

:18:45. > :18:45.gap I talked about, that might address

:18:45. > :18:45.address the

:18:45. > :18:45.gap I talked about, that might address the anger

:18:45. > :18:46.address the anger we

:18:46. > :18:46.gap I talked about, that might address the anger we see,

:18:46. > :18:46.address the anger we see, not

:18:46. > :18:47.gap I talked about, that might address the anger we see, not just

:18:47. > :18:47.address the anger we see, not just from

:18:47. > :18:47.from certain

:18:47. > :18:47.address the anger we see, not just from certain people,

:18:47. > :18:48.from certain people, but

:18:48. > :18:48.address the anger we see, not just from certain people, but many

:18:48. > :18:48.from certain people, but many people.

:18:48. > :18:49.people. Land

:18:49. > :18:49.from certain people, but many people. Land reform

:18:49. > :18:49.people. Land reform hasn't

:18:49. > :18:49.from certain people, but many people. Land reform hasn't really

:18:49. > :18:50.people. Land reform hasn't really happened

:18:50. > :18:50.happened in

:18:50. > :18:50.people. Land reform hasn't really happened in South

:18:50. > :18:50.happened in South Africa,

:18:51. > :18:51.people. Land reform hasn't really happened in South Africa, the

:18:51. > :18:51.happened in South Africa, the fact

:18:51. > :18:51.happened in South Africa, the fact that

:18:51. > :18:52.that still

:18:52. > :18:52.happened in South Africa, the fact that still the

:18:52. > :18:52.that still the vast

:18:52. > :18:53.happened in South Africa, the fact that still the vast majority

:18:53. > :18:53.that still the vast majority of

:18:53. > :18:53.that still the vast majority of land

:18:53. > :18:53.land and

:18:53. > :18:54.that still the vast majority of land and assets

:18:54. > :18:54.land and assets and

:18:54. > :18:54.that still the vast majority of land and assets and wealth

:18:54. > :18:54.land and assets and wealth in

:18:54. > :18:55.that still the vast majority of land and assets and wealth in the

:18:55. > :18:55.land and assets and wealth in the country

:18:55. > :18:55.country disproportionately

:18:55. > :18:56.land and assets and wealth in the country disproportionately sit

:18:56. > :18:56.country disproportionately sit in

:18:56. > :18:56.country disproportionately sit in white

:18:56. > :19:01.white hands.

:19:01. > :19:01.country disproportionately sit in white hands. What

:19:02. > :19:02.white hands. What are

:19:02. > :19:02.country disproportionately sit in white hands. What are your

:19:02. > :19:02.white hands. What are your specific

:19:02. > :19:03.white hands. What are your specific measures

:19:03. > :19:03.measures to

:19:03. > :19:03.white hands. What are your specific measures to address

:19:03. > :19:04.measures to address these

:19:04. > :19:04.measures to address these structural

:19:04. > :19:04.structural issues

:19:04. > :19:04.measures to address these structural issues in

:19:04. > :19:05.structural issues in your

:19:05. > :19:13.measures to address these structural issues in your country?

:19:13. > :19:14.structural issues in your country? The

:19:14. > :19:14.The first

:19:14. > :19:14.structural issues in your country? The first is

:19:14. > :19:15.The first is the

:19:15. > :19:15.structural issues in your country? The first is the transformation

:19:15. > :19:15.The first is the transformation of

:19:15. > :19:15.The first is the transformation of the

:19:15. > :19:16.the primary

:19:16. > :19:16.The first is the transformation of the primary industry

:19:16. > :19:16.the primary industry of

:19:16. > :19:16.The first is the transformation of the primary industry of agriculture

:19:17. > :19:17.the primary industry of agriculture and

:19:17. > :19:17.and mining

:19:17. > :19:17.the primary industry of agriculture and mining which

:19:17. > :19:18.and mining which includes

:19:18. > :19:18.the primary industry of agriculture and mining which includes issues

:19:18. > :19:18.and mining which includes issues of

:19:18. > :19:18.and mining which includes issues of land

:19:18. > :19:19.land reform.

:19:19. > :19:19.and mining which includes issues of land reform. The

:19:19. > :19:19.land reform. The biggest

:19:19. > :19:20.and mining which includes issues of land reform. The biggest owner

:19:20. > :19:20.land reform. The biggest owner of

:19:20. > :19:20.land reform. The biggest owner of land

:19:20. > :19:20.land is

:19:20. > :19:21.land reform. The biggest owner of land is the

:19:21. > :19:24.land is the state.

:19:24. > :19:24.land reform. The biggest owner of land is the state. Our

:19:24. > :19:24.land is the state. Our government

:19:24. > :19:24.land is the state. Our government was

:19:24. > :19:25.was meant

:19:25. > :19:25.land is the state. Our government was meant to

:19:25. > :19:25.was meant to have

:19:25. > :19:26.land is the state. Our government was meant to have done

:19:26. > :19:26.was meant to have done an

:19:26. > :19:26.land is the state. Our government was meant to have done an audit

:19:26. > :19:26.was meant to have done an audit of

:19:27. > :19:27.was meant to have done an audit of state

:19:27. > :19:27.state land

:19:27. > :19:27.was meant to have done an audit of state land and

:19:27. > :19:28.state land and been

:19:28. > :19:28.was meant to have done an audit of state land and been able

:19:28. > :19:28.state land and been able to

:19:28. > :19:28.was meant to have done an audit of state land and been able to use

:19:28. > :19:29.state land and been able to use that

:19:29. > :19:29.that to

:19:29. > :19:29.state land and been able to use that to close

:19:29. > :19:30.that to close that

:19:30. > :19:35.state land and been able to use that to close that gap.

:19:35. > :19:35.that to close that gap. Second

:19:35. > :19:36.state land and been able to use that to close that gap. Second -

:19:36. > :19:36.that to close that gap. Second - the

:19:36. > :19:36.the few

:19:36. > :19:37.that to close that gap. Second - the few areas

:19:37. > :19:37.the few areas where

:19:37. > :19:37.that to close that gap. Second - the few areas where we

:19:37. > :19:37.the few areas where we have

:19:37. > :19:38.the few areas where we have succeeded

:19:38. > :19:38.succeeded in

:19:38. > :19:38.the few areas where we have succeeded in giving

:19:38. > :19:38.succeeded in giving land

:19:38. > :19:39.the few areas where we have succeeded in giving land to

:19:39. > :19:39.succeeded in giving land to people,

:19:39. > :19:39.succeeded in giving land to people, the

:19:39. > :19:40.the government

:19:40. > :19:40.succeeded in giving land to people, the government has

:19:40. > :19:40.the government has failed

:19:40. > :19:40.the government has failed phenomenally

:19:40. > :19:41.phenomenally in

:19:41. > :19:41.the government has failed phenomenally in supporting

:19:41. > :19:41.phenomenally in supporting poor

:19:41. > :19:42.phenomenally in supporting poor communities

:19:42. > :19:42.communities to

:19:42. > :19:42.phenomenally in supporting poor communities to be

:19:42. > :19:42.communities to be able

:19:42. > :19:43.phenomenally in supporting poor communities to be able to

:19:43. > :19:43.communities to be able to use

:19:43. > :19:43.phenomenally in supporting poor communities to be able to use the

:19:43. > :19:44.communities to be able to use the land

:19:44. > :19:52.land productively.

:19:52. > :19:52.communities to be able to use the land productively. But

:19:52. > :19:53.land productively. But we

:19:53. > :19:53.communities to be able to use the land productively. But we also,

:19:53. > :19:53.land productively. But we also, in

:19:53. > :19:53.land productively. But we also, in my

:19:53. > :19:54.my announcement

:19:54. > :19:54.land productively. But we also, in my announcement speech,

:19:54. > :19:54.my announcement speech, spoke

:19:54. > :19:55.land productively. But we also, in my announcement speech, spoke about

:19:55. > :19:55.my announcement speech, spoke about the

:19:55. > :19:55.the largest

:19:55. > :19:55.my announcement speech, spoke about the largest sector

:19:55. > :19:56.the largest sector of

:19:56. > :19:56.my announcement speech, spoke about the largest sector of our

:19:56. > :19:56.the largest sector of our economy.

:19:56. > :19:56.the largest sector of our economy. The

:19:56. > :19:57.The services

:19:57. > :20:05.the largest sector of our economy. The services sector.

:20:05. > :20:05.The services sector. We

:20:05. > :20:05.the largest sector of our economy. The services sector. We can't

:20:05. > :20:05.The services sector. We can't take

:20:06. > :20:06.The services sector. We can't take advantage

:20:06. > :20:06.advantage of

:20:06. > :20:06.The services sector. We can't take advantage of that

:20:06. > :20:06.advantage of that to

:20:07. > :20:07.The services sector. We can't take advantage of that to mop

:20:07. > :20:07.advantage of that to mop up

:20:07. > :20:07.The services sector. We can't take advantage of that to mop up the

:20:07. > :20:08.advantage of that to mop up the large

:20:08. > :20:08.large number

:20:08. > :20:08.advantage of that to mop up the large number of

:20:08. > :20:08.large number of young

:20:09. > :20:09.advantage of that to mop up the large number of young people

:20:09. > :20:09.large number of young people because

:20:09. > :20:09.because we

:20:09. > :20:10.large number of young people because we haven't

:20:10. > :20:10.because we haven't got

:20:10. > :20:10.large number of young people because we haven't got an

:20:10. > :20:10.because we haven't got an effective,

:20:11. > :20:11.because we haven't got an effective, high

:20:11. > :20:11.high quality

:20:11. > :20:11.because we haven't got an effective, high quality education

:20:11. > :20:12.high quality education and

:20:12. > :20:12.because we haven't got an effective, high quality education and training

:20:12. > :20:12.high quality education and training system.

:20:12. > :20:12.system. We

:20:12. > :20:13.high quality education and training system. We need

:20:13. > :20:13.system. We need to

:20:13. > :20:13.high quality education and training system. We need to have

:20:13. > :20:14.system. We need to have an

:20:14. > :20:14.system. We need to have an immediate

:20:14. > :20:14.immediate focus

:20:14. > :20:14.system. We need to have an immediate focus on

:20:14. > :20:15.immediate focus on training

:20:15. > :20:15.system. We need to have an immediate focus on training young

:20:15. > :20:15.immediate focus on training young people

:20:15. > :20:15.people for

:20:16. > :20:16.immediate focus on training young people for the

:20:16. > :20:16.people for the services

:20:16. > :20:26.immediate focus on training young people for the services sector.

:20:26. > :20:31.

:20:31. > :20:31.people for the services sector. We

:20:31. > :20:31.people for the services sector. We can

:20:31. > :20:31.can take

:20:32. > :20:32.people for the services sector. We can take people

:20:32. > :20:32.can take people who

:20:32. > :20:32.people for the services sector. We can take people who are

:20:32. > :20:33.can take people who are unskilled

:20:33. > :20:33.can take people who are unskilled and

:20:33. > :20:33.and semi-skilled

:20:33. > :20:34.can take people who are unskilled and semi-skilled and

:20:34. > :20:34.and semi-skilled and put

:20:34. > :20:34.can take people who are unskilled and semi-skilled and put them

:20:34. > :20:34.and semi-skilled and put them in

:20:34. > :20:35.and semi-skilled and put them in work

:20:35. > :20:35.work places

:20:35. > :20:35.and semi-skilled and put them in work places where

:20:35. > :20:35.work places where they

:20:36. > :20:36.and semi-skilled and put them in work places where they will

:20:36. > :20:36.work places where they will learn

:20:36. > :20:36.work places where they will learn on

:20:36. > :20:37.on the

:20:37. > :20:37.work places where they will learn on the job.

:20:37. > :20:37.on the job. That

:20:37. > :20:37.work places where they will learn on the job. That will

:20:38. > :20:38.on the job. That will be

:20:38. > :20:38.work places where they will learn on the job. That will be extremely

:20:38. > :20:38.on the job. That will be extremely helpful

:20:38. > :20:38.helpful and

:20:39. > :20:39.on the job. That will be extremely helpful and in

:20:39. > :20:39.helpful and in fact

:20:39. > :20:39.on the job. That will be extremely helpful and in fact create

:20:39. > :20:40.helpful and in fact create a

:20:40. > :20:40.helpful and in fact create a productive,

:20:40. > :20:40.productive, competitive

:20:40. > :20:43.helpful and in fact create a productive, competitive economy.

:20:43. > :20:43.productive, competitive economy. Why

:20:43. > :20:44.Why don't

:20:44. > :20:44.productive, competitive economy. Why don't you

:20:44. > :20:44.Why don't you lend

:20:44. > :20:44.productive, competitive economy. Why don't you lend your

:20:44. > :20:45.Why don't you lend your weight

:20:45. > :20:45.productive, competitive economy. Why don't you lend your weight and

:20:45. > :20:45.Why don't you lend your weight and authority

:20:45. > :20:46.authority and

:20:46. > :20:46.Why don't you lend your weight and authority and experience

:20:46. > :20:46.authority and experience to

:20:46. > :20:46.Why don't you lend your weight and authority and experience to the

:20:46. > :20:47.authority and experience to the existing

:20:47. > :20:47.existing South

:20:47. > :20:47.authority and experience to the existing South African

:20:47. > :20:48.existing South African opposition

:20:48. > :20:48.existing South African opposition who

:20:48. > :20:48.who have

:20:48. > :20:48.existing South African opposition who have used

:20:48. > :20:49.who have used the

:20:49. > :20:49.existing South African opposition who have used the same

:20:49. > :20:49.who have used the same sort

:20:49. > :20:50.existing South African opposition who have used the same sort of

:20:50. > :20:50.who have used the same sort of language

:20:50. > :20:50.language about

:20:50. > :20:50.who have used the same sort of language about where

:20:50. > :20:51.language about where South

:20:51. > :20:51.who have used the same sort of language about where South Africa

:20:51. > :20:51.language about where South Africa needs

:20:51. > :20:52.needs to

:20:52. > :20:52.language about where South Africa needs to go

:20:52. > :20:52.needs to go that

:20:52. > :20:52.language about where South Africa needs to go that you

:20:52. > :20:53.needs to go that you do?

:20:53. > :20:53.language about where South Africa needs to go that you do? I'm

:20:53. > :20:53.needs to go that you do? I'm thinking

:20:53. > :20:53.thinking of

:20:53. > :20:54.needs to go that you do? I'm thinking of course

:20:54. > :20:54.thinking of course of

:20:54. > :20:54.needs to go that you do? I'm thinking of course of the

:20:54. > :20:55.thinking of course of the Democratic

:20:55. > :20:56.Democratic Alliance.

:20:56. > :20:57.thinking of course of the Democratic Alliance. You

:20:57. > :20:57.Democratic Alliance. You have

:20:57. > :20:57.thinking of course of the Democratic Alliance. You have a

:20:57. > :20:57.Democratic Alliance. You have a long-standing

:20:57. > :20:58.long-standing relationship

:20:58. > :20:58.Democratic Alliance. You have a long-standing relationship with

:20:58. > :20:58.long-standing relationship with the

:20:58. > :20:59.long-standing relationship with the leader.

:20:59. > :20:59.leader. Why

:20:59. > :20:59.long-standing relationship with the leader. Why don't

:20:59. > :20:59.leader. Why don't you

:20:59. > :21:00.long-standing relationship with the leader. Why don't you join

:21:00. > :21:00.leader. Why don't you join and

:21:00. > :21:00.long-standing relationship with the leader. Why don't you join and help

:21:00. > :21:06.leader. Why don't you join and help her?

:21:06. > :21:06.her? Because

:21:06. > :21:06.leader. Why don't you join and help her? Because this

:21:06. > :21:06.her? Because this country

:21:07. > :21:07.leader. Why don't you join and help her? Because this country needs

:21:07. > :21:07.her? Because this country needs a

:21:07. > :21:07.her? Because this country needs a much

:21:07. > :21:08.much larger

:21:08. > :21:08.her? Because this country needs a much larger vision,

:21:08. > :21:08.much larger vision, much

:21:08. > :21:08.her? Because this country needs a much larger vision, much larger

:21:08. > :21:15.much larger vision, much larger willingness.

:21:15. > :21:15.willingness. A

:21:15. > :21:15.much larger vision, much larger willingness. A greater

:21:16. > :21:16.willingness. A greater willingness

:21:16. > :21:16.willingness. A greater willingness to

:21:16. > :21:16.to take

:21:16. > :21:16.willingness. A greater willingness to take risks

:21:17. > :21:17.to take risks to

:21:17. > :21:17.willingness. A greater willingness to take risks to address

:21:17. > :21:17.to take risks to address the

:21:17. > :21:18.to take risks to address the fundamental

:21:18. > :21:18.fundamental structural

:21:18. > :21:18.to take risks to address the fundamental structural problems

:21:18. > :21:19.fundamental structural problems in

:21:19. > :21:19.fundamental structural problems in our

:21:19. > :21:19.our economy

:21:19. > :21:19.fundamental structural problems in our economy and

:21:19. > :21:27.our economy and society.

:21:27. > :21:27.fundamental structural problems in our economy and society. The

:21:28. > :21:28.our economy and society. The current

:21:28. > :21:28.current political

:21:28. > :21:28.our economy and society. The current political parties,

:21:28. > :21:29.current political parties, whether

:21:29. > :21:29.current political parties, whether they

:21:29. > :21:29.they are

:21:29. > :21:29.current political parties, whether they are in

:21:29. > :21:30.they are in opposition

:21:30. > :21:30.current political parties, whether they are in opposition or

:21:30. > :21:30.they are in opposition or in

:21:30. > :21:31.they are in opposition or in government,

:21:31. > :21:31.government, have

:21:31. > :21:31.they are in opposition or in government, have not

:21:31. > :21:31.government, have not dealt

:21:31. > :21:32.they are in opposition or in government, have not dealt with

:21:32. > :21:32.government, have not dealt with apartheid's

:21:32. > :21:32.apartheid's geography,

:21:32. > :21:33.government, have not dealt with apartheid's geography, for

:21:33. > :21:33.apartheid's geography, for example.

:21:33. > :21:33.apartheid's geography, for example. They

:21:33. > :21:33.They have

:21:33. > :21:34.apartheid's geography, for example. They have not

:21:34. > :21:34.They have not dealt

:21:34. > :21:34.apartheid's geography, for example. They have not dealt with

:21:34. > :21:35.They have not dealt with the

:21:35. > :21:35.They have not dealt with the fundamental

:21:35. > :21:35.fundamental problem

:21:35. > :21:35.They have not dealt with the fundamental problem of

:21:35. > :21:36.fundamental problem of a

:21:36. > :21:36.They have not dealt with the fundamental problem of a failing

:21:36. > :21:36.fundamental problem of a failing education

:21:36. > :21:46.education system.

:21:46. > :21:52.

:21:52. > :21:52.fundamental problem of a failing education system. They

:21:52. > :21:52.education system. They have

:21:53. > :21:53.fundamental problem of a failing education system. They have not

:21:53. > :21:53.education system. They have not dealt

:21:53. > :21:53.dealt with

:21:53. > :21:54.education system. They have not dealt with the

:21:54. > :21:54.dealt with the fundamental

:21:54. > :21:54.education system. They have not dealt with the fundamental problems

:21:54. > :21:54.dealt with the fundamental problems of

:21:55. > :21:55.of a

:21:55. > :21:55.dealt with the fundamental problems of a failing

:21:55. > :21:55.of a failing health

:21:55. > :21:56.dealt with the fundamental problems of a failing health system

:21:56. > :21:56.of a failing health system because

:21:56. > :21:56.of a failing health system because in

:21:56. > :21:56.in the

:21:56. > :21:57.of a failing health system because in the heart

:21:57. > :21:57.in the heart of

:21:57. > :21:57.of a failing health system because in the heart of that

:21:57. > :21:58.in the heart of that is

:21:58. > :21:58.of a failing health system because in the heart of that is the

:21:58. > :21:58.in the heart of that is the issue

:21:58. > :21:58.in the heart of that is the issue of

:21:58. > :21:59.of how

:21:59. > :21:59.in the heart of that is the issue of how do

:21:59. > :21:59.of how do we

:21:59. > :21:59.in the heart of that is the issue of how do we frame

:21:59. > :22:00.of how do we frame a

:22:00. > :22:00.in the heart of that is the issue of how do we frame a public

:22:00. > :22:00.of how do we frame a public service

:22:00. > :22:01.of how do we frame a public service which

:22:01. > :22:01.which is

:22:01. > :22:01.of how do we frame a public service which is competent,

:22:01. > :22:01.which is competent, professional

:22:01. > :22:02.which is competent, professional and

:22:02. > :22:03.and meritocratic?

:22:03. > :22:03.which is competent, professional and meritocratic? Hang

:22:03. > :22:03.and meritocratic? Hang on,

:22:03. > :22:03.which is competent, professional and meritocratic? Hang on, with

:22:03. > :22:04.and meritocratic? Hang on, with respect,

:22:04. > :22:04.respect, you

:22:04. > :22:04.and meritocratic? Hang on, with respect, you can't

:22:04. > :22:04.respect, you can't really

:22:05. > :22:05.and meritocratic? Hang on, with respect, you can't really blame

:22:05. > :22:05.respect, you can't really blame the

:22:05. > :22:05.respect, you can't really blame the opposition

:22:05. > :22:06.opposition for

:22:06. > :22:06.respect, you can't really blame the opposition for failing

:22:06. > :22:06.opposition for failing to

:22:06. > :22:07.respect, you can't really blame the opposition for failing to deal

:22:07. > :22:07.opposition for failing to deal with

:22:07. > :22:07.opposition for failing to deal with that.

:22:07. > :22:07.that. They

:22:07. > :22:08.opposition for failing to deal with that. They never

:22:08. > :22:08.that. They never had

:22:08. > :22:08.opposition for failing to deal with that. They never had power

:22:08. > :22:08.that. They never had power on

:22:08. > :22:09.opposition for failing to deal with that. They never had power on a

:22:09. > :22:09.that. They never had power on a national

:22:09. > :22:09.national level.

:22:09. > :22:10.that. They never had power on a national level. My

:22:10. > :22:10.national level. My question

:22:10. > :22:10.that. They never had power on a national level. My question is

:22:10. > :22:10.national level. My question is again

:22:11. > :22:11.again this,

:22:11. > :22:11.national level. My question is again this, why

:22:11. > :22:11.again this, why not

:22:11. > :22:12.national level. My question is again this, why not lend

:22:12. > :22:12.again this, why not lend your

:22:12. > :22:12.again this, why not lend your weight

:22:12. > :22:12.weight to

:22:12. > :22:13.again this, why not lend your weight to their

:22:13. > :22:13.weight to their efforts?

:22:13. > :22:13.again this, why not lend your weight to their efforts? It

:22:13. > :22:14.weight to their efforts? It just

:22:14. > :22:14.weight to their efforts? It just seems

:22:14. > :22:14.seems perhaps

:22:14. > :22:14.weight to their efforts? It just seems perhaps there's

:22:14. > :22:15.seems perhaps there's something

:22:15. > :22:15.weight to their efforts? It just seems perhaps there's something of

:22:15. > :22:15.seems perhaps there's something of ego

:22:15. > :22:15.ego and

:22:16. > :22:16.seems perhaps there's something of ego and vanity

:22:16. > :22:16.ego and vanity about

:22:16. > :22:16.seems perhaps there's something of ego and vanity about your

:22:16. > :22:17.ego and vanity about your determination

:22:17. > :22:17.determination to

:22:17. > :22:17.ego and vanity about your determination to define

:22:17. > :22:17.determination to define your

:22:17. > :22:18.ego and vanity about your determination to define your own

:22:18. > :22:18.determination to define your own political

:22:18. > :22:18.political party?

:22:18. > :22:19.determination to define your own political party? The

:22:19. > :22:19.political party? The issue

:22:19. > :22:19.determination to define your own political party? The issue is

:22:19. > :22:19.political party? The issue is not

:22:20. > :22:22.political party? The issue is not ego.

:22:22. > :22:23.ego. The

:22:23. > :22:23.political party? The issue is not ego. The issue

:22:23. > :22:23.ego. The issue is,

:22:23. > :22:23.political party? The issue is not ego. The issue is, where

:22:23. > :22:24.ego. The issue is, where we

:22:24. > :22:24.political party? The issue is not ego. The issue is, where we are

:22:24. > :22:24.ego. The issue is, where we are sitting,

:22:24. > :22:24.sitting, identity

:22:24. > :22:25.ego. The issue is, where we are sitting, identity politics

:22:25. > :22:25.sitting, identity politics is

:22:25. > :22:25.ego. The issue is, where we are sitting, identity politics is not

:22:25. > :22:26.sitting, identity politics is not something

:22:26. > :22:26.something that

:22:26. > :22:26.sitting, identity politics is not something that you

:22:26. > :22:26.something that you can

:22:27. > :22:27.sitting, identity politics is not something that you can discount.

:22:27. > :22:27.something that you can discount. People

:22:27. > :22:27.People don't

:22:27. > :22:28.something that you can discount. People don't feel

:22:28. > :22:28.People don't feel at

:22:28. > :22:38.something that you can discount. People don't feel at home.

:22:38. > :22:44.

:22:44. > :22:44.People don't feel at home. Do

:22:44. > :22:45.something that you can discount. People don't feel at home. Do you

:22:45. > :22:45.People don't feel at home. Do you mean

:22:45. > :22:45.mean to

:22:45. > :22:45.People don't feel at home. Do you mean to say

:22:45. > :22:45.mean to say you

:22:46. > :22:46.People don't feel at home. Do you mean to say you can't

:22:46. > :22:46.mean to say you can't back

:22:46. > :22:46.People don't feel at home. Do you mean to say you can't back Helen

:22:46. > :22:47.mean to say you can't back Helen Zila

:22:47. > :22:47.Zila because

:22:47. > :22:47.mean to say you can't back Helen Zila because she's

:22:47. > :22:47.Zila because she's a

:22:47. > :22:48.mean to say you can't back Helen Zila because she's a white

:22:48. > :22:48.Zila because she's a white woman

:22:48. > :22:48.mean to say you can't back Helen Zila because she's a white woman in

:22:48. > :22:49.Zila because she's a white woman in the

:22:49. > :22:49.the leadership

:22:49. > :22:49.Zila because she's a white woman in the leadership of

:22:49. > :22:49.the leadership of a

:22:49. > :22:50.Zila because she's a white woman in the leadership of a main

:22:50. > :22:50.the leadership of a main opposition

:22:50. > :22:50.the leadership of a main opposition party?

:22:50. > :22:51.party? Don't

:22:51. > :22:51.the leadership of a main opposition party? Don't put

:22:51. > :22:51.party? Don't put words

:22:51. > :22:51.the leadership of a main opposition party? Don't put words in

:22:51. > :22:52.party? Don't put words in my

:22:52. > :22:52.the leadership of a main opposition party? Don't put words in my mouth.

:22:52. > :22:52.party? Don't put words in my mouth. I'm

:22:52. > :22:53.I'm talking

:22:53. > :22:53.party? Don't put words in my mouth. I'm talking about

:22:53. > :22:53.I'm talking about the

:22:53. > :22:53.party? Don't put words in my mouth. I'm talking about the reality

:22:54. > :22:54.I'm talking about the reality of

:22:54. > :22:54.I'm talking about the reality of South

:22:54. > :22:54.South African

:22:54. > :22:55.I'm talking about the reality of South African politics,

:22:55. > :22:55.South African politics, it's

:22:55. > :22:55.South African politics, it's politics

:22:55. > :22:55.politics where

:22:55. > :22:56.South African politics, it's politics where identity

:22:56. > :22:56.politics where identity matters.

:22:56. > :22:56.South African politics, it's politics where identity matters. We

:22:56. > :22:56.politics where identity matters. We need

:22:56. > :22:57.need to

:22:57. > :22:57.politics where identity matters. We need to frame

:22:57. > :22:57.need to frame a

:22:57. > :22:58.politics where identity matters. We need to frame a South

:22:58. > :22:58.need to frame a South Africanness

:22:58. > :22:58.need to frame a South Africanness that

:22:58. > :22:58.that goes

:22:58. > :22:59.need to frame a South Africanness that goes beyond

:22:59. > :22:59.that goes beyond the

:22:59. > :22:59.need to frame a South Africanness that goes beyond the traditional

:22:59. > :23:00.that goes beyond the traditional divisions.

:23:00. > :23:00.divisions. The

:23:00. > :23:00.that goes beyond the traditional divisions. The ANC,

:23:00. > :23:00.divisions. The ANC, for

:23:00. > :23:01.that goes beyond the traditional divisions. The ANC, for example,

:23:01. > :23:01.divisions. The ANC, for example, when

:23:01. > :23:01.when they

:23:01. > :23:02.divisions. The ANC, for example, when they criticise

:23:02. > :23:02.when they criticise Helen,

:23:02. > :23:02.divisions. The ANC, for example, when they criticise Helen, they

:23:02. > :23:02.when they criticise Helen, they always

:23:02. > :23:03.always refer

:23:03. > :23:03.when they criticise Helen, they always refer to

:23:03. > :23:03.always refer to her

:23:03. > :23:04.when they criticise Helen, they always refer to her as

:23:04. > :23:04.always refer to her as a

:23:04. > :23:04.when they criticise Helen, they always refer to her as a white

:23:04. > :23:08.always refer to her as a white woman.

:23:08. > :23:08.woman. When

:23:08. > :23:08.always refer to her as a white woman. When you

:23:08. > :23:09.woman. When you look

:23:09. > :23:09.always refer to her as a white woman. When you look at

:23:09. > :23:09.woman. When you look at how

:23:09. > :23:10.always refer to her as a white woman. When you look at how people

:23:10. > :23:10.woman. When you look at how people in

:23:10. > :23:10.in this

:23:10. > :23:10.woman. When you look at how people in this country

:23:10. > :23:11.in this country think

:23:11. > :23:11.woman. When you look at how people in this country think and

:23:11. > :23:11.in this country think and talk,

:23:11. > :23:12.in this country think and talk, less

:23:12. > :23:12.less than

:23:12. > :23:12.in this country think and talk, less than 10%

:23:12. > :23:12.less than 10% of

:23:12. > :23:13.in this country think and talk, less than 10% of them

:23:13. > :23:13.less than 10% of them identify

:23:13. > :23:13.less than 10% of them identify themselves

:23:13. > :23:13.themselves in

:23:13. > :23:14.less than 10% of them identify themselves in the

:23:14. > :23:14.themselves in the first

:23:14. > :23:14.less than 10% of them identify themselves in the first instance

:23:14. > :23:15.themselves in the first instance as

:23:15. > :23:15.themselves in the first instance as South

:23:15. > :23:19.South Africans.

:23:19. > :23:19.themselves in the first instance as South Africans. This

:23:20. > :23:20.South Africans. This party

:23:20. > :23:20.South Africans. This party political

:23:20. > :23:20.political platform

:23:20. > :23:21.South Africans. This party political platform is

:23:21. > :23:21.political platform is going

:23:21. > :23:21.South Africans. This party political platform is going to

:23:21. > :23:22.political platform is going to focus

:23:22. > :23:22.focus on

:23:22. > :23:22.political platform is going to focus on creating

:23:22. > :23:22.focus on creating a

:23:22. > :23:23.political platform is going to focus on creating a home

:23:23. > :23:23.focus on creating a home where

:23:23. > :23:23.focus on creating a home where people

:23:23. > :23:24.people will

:23:24. > :23:24.focus on creating a home where people will put

:23:24. > :23:24.people will put South

:23:24. > :23:24.focus on creating a home where people will put South Africa

:23:24. > :23:25.people will put South Africa first.

:23:25. > :23:25.people will put South Africa first. My

:23:25. > :23:25.My ego

:23:25. > :23:25.people will put South Africa first. My ego is

:23:26. > :23:26.My ego is really

:23:26. > :23:26.people will put South Africa first. My ego is really not

:23:26. > :23:26.My ego is really not part

:23:26. > :23:27.people will put South Africa first. My ego is really not part of

:23:27. > :23:27.My ego is really not part of this.

:23:27. > :23:27.My ego is really not part of this. I'm

:23:27. > :23:28.I'm 65,

:23:28. > :23:28.My ego is really not part of this. I'm 65, I

:23:28. > :23:28.I'm 65, I don't

:23:28. > :23:29.My ego is really not part of this. I'm 65, I don't need

:23:29. > :23:29.I'm 65, I don't need a

:23:29. > :23:29.My ego is really not part of this. I'm 65, I don't need a political

:23:29. > :23:34.I'm 65, I don't need a political platform.

:23:34. > :23:34.platform. I

:23:34. > :23:34.I'm 65, I don't need a political platform. I hear

:23:34. > :23:34.platform. I hear you,

:23:34. > :23:35.I'm 65, I don't need a political platform. I hear you, but

:23:35. > :23:35.platform. I hear you, but I

:23:35. > :23:35.I'm 65, I don't need a political platform. I hear you, but I can't

:23:35. > :23:36.platform. I hear you, but I can't help

:23:36. > :23:36.help thinking

:23:36. > :23:36.platform. I hear you, but I can't help thinking that

:23:36. > :23:36.help thinking that a

:23:36. > :23:37.platform. I hear you, but I can't help thinking that a few

:23:37. > :23:37.help thinking that a few years

:23:37. > :23:37.platform. I hear you, but I can't help thinking that a few years ago

:23:37. > :23:37.help thinking that a few years ago in

:23:38. > :23:38.in the

:23:38. > :23:38.help thinking that a few years ago in the same

:23:38. > :23:38.in the same situation,

:23:38. > :23:39.help thinking that a few years ago in the same situation, I

:23:39. > :23:39.in the same situation, I had

:23:39. > :23:39.help thinking that a few years ago in the same situation, I had a

:23:39. > :23:40.in the same situation, I had a leading

:23:40. > :23:40.leading figure

:23:40. > :23:40.in the same situation, I had a leading figure in

:23:40. > :23:40.leading figure in the

:23:40. > :23:41.in the same situation, I had a leading figure in the ANC

:23:41. > :23:41.leading figure in the ANC who

:23:41. > :23:41.leading figure in the ANC who decided

:23:41. > :23:41.decided to

:23:41. > :23:42.leading figure in the ANC who decided to split

:23:42. > :23:42.decided to split with

:23:42. > :23:42.leading figure in the ANC who decided to split with the

:23:42. > :23:52.decided to split with the ANC.

:23:52. > :23:52.leading figure in the ANC who decided to split with the ANC. He

:23:52. > :23:53.decided to split with the ANC. He said

:23:53. > :23:53.said he

:23:53. > :23:53.decided to split with the ANC. He said he was

:23:53. > :23:53.said he was going

:23:53. > :23:54.decided to split with the ANC. He said he was going to

:23:54. > :23:54.said he was going to lead

:23:54. > :23:54.decided to split with the ANC. He said he was going to lead a

:23:54. > :23:55.said he was going to lead a new

:23:55. > :23:55.said he was going to lead a new popular

:23:55. > :23:55.popular movement,

:23:55. > :23:55.said he was going to lead a new popular movement, he

:23:56. > :23:56.popular movement, he called

:23:56. > :23:56.said he was going to lead a new popular movement, he called it,

:23:56. > :23:56.popular movement, he called it, Cope

:23:56. > :23:57.Cope to

:23:57. > :23:57.popular movement, he called it, Cope to Victory

:23:57. > :23:57.Cope to Victory in

:23:57. > :23:57.popular movement, he called it, Cope to Victory in South

:23:57. > :23:58.Cope to Victory in South Africa's

:23:58. > :23:58.Cope to Victory in South Africa's '09

:23:58. > :23:58.'09 elections.

:23:58. > :23:58.Cope to Victory in South Africa's '09 elections. You

:23:58. > :23:59.'09 elections. You know

:23:59. > :23:59.Cope to Victory in South Africa's '09 elections. You know better

:23:59. > :23:59.'09 elections. You know better than

:23:59. > :24:00.'09 elections. You know better than I,

:24:00. > :24:00.I, that

:24:00. > :24:00.'09 elections. You know better than I, that they

:24:00. > :24:00.I, that they ended

:24:00. > :24:01.'09 elections. You know better than I, that they ended up

:24:01. > :24:01.I, that they ended up with

:24:01. > :24:01.'09 elections. You know better than I, that they ended up with 8%

:24:01. > :24:02.I, that they ended up with 8% of

:24:02. > :24:02.I, that they ended up with 8% of the

:24:02. > :24:06.the vote.

:24:06. > :24:07.I, that they ended up with 8% of the vote. You

:24:07. > :24:07.the vote. You don't

:24:07. > :24:07.I, that they ended up with 8% of the vote. You don't have

:24:07. > :24:07.the vote. You don't have the

:24:08. > :24:08.the vote. You don't have the organisation,

:24:08. > :24:08.organisation, the

:24:08. > :24:08.the vote. You don't have the organisation, the network,

:24:08. > :24:09.organisation, the network, the

:24:09. > :24:09.organisation, the network, the volunteers,

:24:09. > :24:09.volunteers, the

:24:09. > :24:09.organisation, the network, the volunteers, the people

:24:10. > :24:10.volunteers, the people on

:24:10. > :24:10.organisation, the network, the volunteers, the people on the

:24:10. > :24:14.volunteers, the people on the ground.

:24:14. > :24:14.ground. How

:24:14. > :24:14.volunteers, the people on the ground. How can

:24:14. > :24:14.ground. How can you

:24:14. > :24:15.volunteers, the people on the ground. How can you possibly

:24:15. > :24:15.ground. How can you possibly realistically

:24:15. > :24:15.realistically challenge

:24:15. > :24:15.ground. How can you possibly realistically challenge the

:24:15. > :24:16.realistically challenge the ANC

:24:16. > :24:16.ground. How can you possibly realistically challenge the ANC by

:24:16. > :24:16.realistically challenge the ANC by the

:24:16. > :24:16.the time

:24:17. > :24:17.realistically challenge the ANC by the time the

:24:17. > :24:17.the time the elections

:24:17. > :24:17.realistically challenge the ANC by the time the elections come

:24:17. > :24:18.the time the elections come around

:24:18. > :24:18.the time the elections come around in

:24:18. > :24:18.in 2014?

:24:18. > :24:18.the time the elections come around in 2014? I

:24:18. > :24:19.in 2014? I can

:24:19. > :24:19.the time the elections come around in 2014? I can say

:24:19. > :24:19.in 2014? I can say watch

:24:19. > :24:20.the time the elections come around in 2014? I can say watch this

:24:20. > :24:20.in 2014? I can say watch this space.

:24:20. > :24:20.in 2014? I can say watch this space. We

:24:20. > :24:20.We didn't

:24:20. > :24:21.in 2014? I can say watch this space. We didn't break

:24:21. > :24:21.We didn't break away

:24:21. > :24:21.in 2014? I can say watch this space. We didn't break away from

:24:21. > :24:22.We didn't break away from anybody,

:24:22. > :24:22.We didn't break away from anybody, we

:24:22. > :24:22.we are

:24:22. > :24:22.We didn't break away from anybody, we are starting

:24:22. > :24:23.we are starting something

:24:23. > :24:23.We didn't break away from anybody, we are starting something new

:24:23. > :24:23.we are starting something new that

:24:23. > :24:24.we are starting something new that is

:24:24. > :24:24.is creating

:24:24. > :24:24.we are starting something new that is creating a

:24:24. > :24:24.is creating a huge

:24:24. > :24:25.we are starting something new that is creating a huge interest

:24:25. > :24:25.is creating a huge interest in

:24:25. > :24:25.is creating a huge interest in South

:24:25. > :24:25.South Africa.

:24:26. > :24:26.is creating a huge interest in South Africa. Urban,

:24:26. > :24:26.South Africa. Urban, rural,

:24:26. > :24:26.is creating a huge interest in South Africa. Urban, rural, young

:24:26. > :24:28.South Africa. Urban, rural, young people.

:24:28. > :24:29.people. We

:24:29. > :24:29.South Africa. Urban, rural, young people. We have

:24:29. > :24:29.people. We have attracted

:24:29. > :24:30.South Africa. Urban, rural, young people. We have attracted 3,000

:24:30. > :24:30.people. We have attracted 3,000 volunteers

:24:30. > :24:30.volunteers in

:24:30. > :24:30.people. We have attracted 3,000 volunteers in two

:24:30. > :24:31.volunteers in two days,

:24:31. > :24:31.people. We have attracted 3,000 volunteers in two days, we

:24:31. > :24:31.volunteers in two days, we have

:24:31. > :24:31.volunteers in two days, we have more

:24:32. > :24:32.more than

:24:32. > :24:32.volunteers in two days, we have more than 8,000

:24:32. > :24:32.more than 8,000 volunteers

:24:32. > :24:33.volunteers in two days, we have more than 8,000 volunteers and

:24:33. > :24:33.more than 8,000 volunteers and followers

:24:33. > :24:33.followers on

:24:33. > :24:39.more than 8,000 volunteers and followers on Twitter.

:24:39. > :24:39.followers on Twitter. You

:24:39. > :24:40.more than 8,000 volunteers and followers on Twitter. You can't

:24:40. > :24:40.followers on Twitter. You can't ever

:24:40. > :24:40.ever write

:24:40. > :24:40.followers on Twitter. You can't ever write off

:24:40. > :24:41.ever write off South

:24:41. > :24:41.followers on Twitter. You can't ever write off South Africans

:24:41. > :24:41.ever write off South Africans in

:24:41. > :24:42.ever write off South Africans in their

:24:42. > :24:42.their capacity

:24:42. > :24:42.ever write off South Africans in their capacity to

:24:42. > :24:42.their capacity to overcome

:24:42. > :24:43.their capacity to overcome adversity

:24:43. > :24:43.adversity and

:24:43. > :24:43.their capacity to overcome adversity and that's

:24:43. > :24:43.adversity and that's what

:24:44. > :24:44.their capacity to overcome adversity and that's what we

:24:44. > :24:44.adversity and that's what we are

:24:44. > :24:44.adversity and that's what we are banking

:24:44. > :24:48.banking on.

:24:48. > :24:49.adversity and that's what we are banking on. We

:24:49. > :24:49.banking on. We are

:24:49. > :24:49.adversity and that's what we are banking on. We are banking

:24:49. > :24:50.banking on. We are banking on

:24:50. > :24:50.adversity and that's what we are banking on. We are banking on South

:24:50. > :24:50.banking on. We are banking on South Africans'

:24:50. > :24:50.Africans' capacity

:24:50. > :24:51.banking on. We are banking on South Africans' capacity to

:24:51. > :24:51.Africans' capacity to strive

:24:51. > :24:51.banking on. We are banking on South Africans' capacity to strive for

:24:51. > :24:52.Africans' capacity to strive for greatness

:24:52. > :24:52.greatness when

:24:52. > :24:52.Africans' capacity to strive for greatness when the

:24:52. > :24:52.greatness when the moment

:24:53. > :24:53.Africans' capacity to strive for greatness when the moment is

:24:53. > :24:54.greatness when the moment is right.

:24:54. > :24:54.greatness when the moment is right. I

:24:54. > :24:55.I want

:24:55. > :24:55.greatness when the moment is right. I want to

:24:55. > :24:55.I want to end

:24:55. > :24:55.greatness when the moment is right. I want to end with

:24:55. > :24:56.I want to end with a

:24:56. > :24:56.greatness when the moment is right. I want to end with a quotation

:24:56. > :24:56.I want to end with a quotation from

:24:56. > :24:57.I want to end with a quotation from you

:24:57. > :24:57.you in

:24:57. > :24:57.I want to end with a quotation from you in 1993

:24:57. > :24:57.you in 1993 on

:24:57. > :24:58.I want to end with a quotation from you in 1993 on the

:24:58. > :24:58.you in 1993 on the very

:24:58. > :24:58.I want to end with a quotation from you in 1993 on the very brink

:24:58. > :24:59.you in 1993 on the very brink of

:24:59. > :24:59.you in 1993 on the very brink of liberation.

:24:59. > :24:59.liberation. You

:24:59. > :24:59.you in 1993 on the very brink of liberation. You told

:24:59. > :25:00.liberation. You told the

:25:00. > :25:00.you in 1993 on the very brink of liberation. You told the New

:25:00. > :25:00.liberation. You told the New York

:25:00. > :25:06.liberation. You told the New York Times:

:25:06. > :25:06.South

:25:06. > :25:06.South Africa's

:25:06. > :25:08.South Africa's challenge

:25:08. > :25:09.South Africa's challenge is "to South Africa's challenge is "to

:25:09. > :25:10.South Africa's challenge is "to South Africa's challenge is "to

:25:10. > :25:11.pull the majority from the slope of pull the majority from the slope of

:25:11. > :25:12.pull the majority from the slope of violence and despair". Is it your

:25:12. > :25:13.violence and despair". Is it your violence and despair". Is it your

:25:13. > :25:14.contention that that has yet to contention that that has yet to

:25:14. > :25:19.contention that that has yet to happen? That South Africans are

:25:19. > :25:20.happen? That South Africans are happen? That South Africans are

:25:20. > :25:21.happen? That South Africans are still on that slope? Those who are

:25:21. > :25:24.still on that slope? Those who are still on that slope? Those who are

:25:24. > :25:25.poor in South Africa are still poor in South Africa are still

:25:25. > :25:26.poor in South Africa are still despairing. And the level of

:25:26. > :25:27.despairing. And the level of despairing. And the level of

:25:27. > :25:28.violence in our society indicates violence in our society indicates

:25:28. > :25:29.violence in our society indicates that for the majority, they don't

:25:29. > :25:30.that for the majority, they don't that for the majority, they don't

:25:30. > :25:31.feel that their voices count. feel that their voices count.

:25:31. > :25:41.feel that their voices count. Violence is the weapon of the

:25:41. > :25:51.

:25:51. > :25:52.Violence is the weapon of the powerless. Therefore, this platform

:25:52. > :25:53.powerless. Therefore, this platform powerless. Therefore, this platform

:25:53. > :25:54.powerless. Therefore, this platform is going to focus on the poorest

:25:54. > :25:55.is going to focus on the poorest is going to focus on the poorest

:25:55. > :25:56.is going to focus on the poorest people in South Africa to make sure

:25:56. > :25:57.people in South Africa to make sure people in South Africa to make sure

:25:58. > :25:58.that we rekindle that dream that that we rekindle that dream that

:25:58. > :26:00.that we rekindle that dream that freedom will have meaming their

:26:00. > :26:01.freedom will have meaming their day-to-day lives. Mamphela Ramphele

:26:01. > :26:02.day-to-day lives. Mamphela Ramphele day-to-day lives. Mamphela Ramphele

:26:02. > :26:03.in Cape Town, South Africa, thank in Cape Town, South Africa, thank

:26:03. > :26:13.in Cape Town, South Africa, thank in Cape Town, South Africa, thank

:26:13. > :26:29.

:26:29. > :26:30.you very much indeed for being on It is freezing cold out there.

:26:30. > :26:31.It is freezing cold out there. It is freezing cold out there.

:26:31. > :26:32.It is freezing cold out there. Chilly and not helped by the wind,

:26:32. > :26:33.Chilly and not helped by the wind, Chilly and not helped by the wind,

:26:33. > :26:35.which will be in evidence again which will be in evidence again

:26:35. > :26:36.which will be in evidence again which will be in evidence again

:26:36. > :26:41.during the course of the day. A during the course of the day. A

:26:41. > :26:42.during the course of the day. A during the course of the day. A

:26:42. > :26:46.frosty start of the day. Wind will frosty start of the day. Wind will

:26:46. > :26:48.frosty start of the day. Wind will frosty start of the day. Wind will

:26:48. > :26:49.be lighter in the south. -- in the be lighter in the south. -- in the

:26:49. > :26:50.be lighter in the south. -- in the north. Heading into Wales first

:26:50. > :26:51.north. Heading into Wales first north. Heading into Wales first

:26:51. > :26:58.north. Heading into Wales first thing at a to clock, sunshine in

:26:58. > :27:00.thing at a to clock, sunshine in thing at a to clock, sunshine in

:27:00. > :27:01.the west. -- eight o'clock. That the west. -- eight o'clock. That

:27:01. > :27:02.the west. -- eight o'clock. That the west. -- eight o'clock. That

:27:02. > :27:05.cloud will start to break up. Lots cloud will start to break up. Lots

:27:05. > :27:09.cloud will start to break up. Lots of sunshine across Scotland and

:27:09. > :27:10.of sunshine across Scotland and of sunshine across Scotland and

:27:10. > :27:15.frosty. Minus one degree. Cloud frosty. Minus one degree. Cloud

:27:15. > :27:17.frosty. Minus one degree. Cloud along the east coast. A few

:27:17. > :27:20.along the east coast. A few along the east coast. A few

:27:20. > :27:21.along the east coast. A few the east of England. But it is the

:27:21. > :27:23.the east of England. But it is the the east of England. But it is the

:27:23. > :27:27.wind that is most noticeable, wind that is most noticeable,

:27:27. > :27:28.particularly in the south. particularly in the south.

:27:28. > :27:29.particularly in the south. Temperatures close to or below

:27:29. > :27:31.Temperatures close to or below Temperatures close to or below

:27:31. > :27:33.freezing. And a significant wind freezing. And a significant wind

:27:33. > :27:34.freezing. And a significant wind chill. Through the day, not much

:27:34. > :27:44.chill. Through the day, not much chill. Through the day, not much

:27:44. > :27:45.will change. Most places will stay will change. Most places will stay

:27:45. > :27:46.will change. Most places will stay dry. Some flurries in central and

:27:47. > :27:49.dry. Some flurries in central and dry. Some flurries in central and

:27:49. > :27:52.eastern areas but most places eastern areas but most places

:27:52. > :27:52.eastern areas but most places staying dry. Despite that, to

:27:53. > :27:53.staying dry. Despite that, to staying dry. Despite that, to

:27:53. > :27:54.gritters Ali making it to three gritters Ali making it to three

:27:54. > :27:57.gritters Ali making it to three degrees in most places. Because the

:27:57. > :27:57.degrees in most places. Because the degrees in most places. Because the

:27:58. > :27:58.high ground, it will stay below high ground, it will stay below

:27:58. > :28:00.high ground, it will stay below zero degrees all day long --

:28:00. > :28:01.zero degrees all day long -- zero degrees all day long --

:28:01. > :28:06.despite that, temperatures are only despite that, temperatures are only

:28:06. > :28:08.despite that, temperatures are only making it to three degrees.

:28:08. > :28:08.making it to three degrees. making it to three degrees.

:28:08. > :28:10.Overcast in eastern areas. Three Overcast in eastern areas. Three

:28:10. > :28:13.Overcast in eastern areas. Three centimetres of snow more or less

:28:13. > :28:15.centimetres of snow more or less centimetres of snow more or less

:28:15. > :28:16.around parts of Kent. But that around parts of Kent. But that

:28:16. > :28:17.around parts of Kent. But that should not be too disruptive. The

:28:17. > :28:18.should not be too disruptive. The should not be too disruptive. The

:28:18. > :28:21.should not be too disruptive. The best of the brightness will be in

:28:21. > :28:22.best of the brightness will be in best of the brightness will be in

:28:22. > :28:25.the west. Subtle changes into the west. Subtle changes into

:28:25. > :28:26.Sunday. Increased cloud is Sunday. Increased cloud is

:28:26. > :28:30.threatening something more threatening something more

:28:30. > :28:31.threatening something more threatening something more

:28:31. > :28:32.persistent in the way of snow. The persistent in the way of snow. The

:28:33. > :28:33.persistent in the way of snow. The persistent in the way of snow. The

:28:33. > :28:34.best of the sunshine will be in the best of the sunshine will be in the

:28:34. > :28:36.best of the sunshine will be in the north and west. Outbreaks of rain,

:28:36. > :28:39.north and west. Outbreaks of rain, north and west. Outbreaks of rain,

:28:39. > :28:41.sleet and snow developing across sleet and snow developing across

:28:41. > :28:42.the south-east. Some uncertainty the south-east. Some uncertainty