:00:00. > :00:03.a mosque as worshippers were a mosque as worshippers were
:00:03. > :00:05.a mosque as worshippers were leaving evening prayers. Those are
:00:05. > :00:06.leaving evening prayers. Those are leaving evening prayers. Those are
:00:06. > :00:08.leaving evening prayers. Those are the main stories. Now on BBC News
:00:08. > :00:14.the main stories. Now on BBC News the main stories. Now on BBC News
:00:14. > :00:15.it's time for' HARDtalk. -- HARDtalk is in Tunisia, birthplace
:00:15. > :00:16.HARDtalk is in Tunisia, birthplace HARDtalk is in Tunisia, birthplace
:00:16. > :00:18.HARDtalk is in Tunisia, birthplace of the Arab uprising more than two
:00:18. > :00:19.of the Arab uprising more than two of the Arab uprising more than two
:00:19. > :00:20.of the Arab uprising more than two years ago. My guest today is the
:00:20. > :00:21.years ago. My guest today is the years ago. My guest today is the
:00:21. > :00:22.most important man in this country, most important man in this country,
:00:23. > :00:28.most important man in this country, the veteran leader of the ruling
:00:28. > :00:31.the veteran leader of the ruling He is one of the most important
:00:31. > :00:32.He is one of the most important advocates of political Islam in the
:00:32. > :00:34.advocates of political Islam in the advocates of political Islam in the
:00:35. > :00:44.world. But can freedom, democracy world. But can freedom, democracy
:00:45. > :01:07.
:01:07. > :01:10.Rached Ghannouchi, welcome to Rached Ghannouchi, welcome to
:01:10. > :01:11.Rached Ghannouchi, welcome to HARDtalk. It seems the Tunisian
:01:11. > :01:12.HARDtalk. It seems the Tunisian HARDtalk. It seems the Tunisian
:01:12. > :01:22.revolution has entered a dangerous revolution has entered a dangerous
:01:22. > :01:22.
:01:22. > :01:24.revolution has entered a dangerous Even though you have seen
:01:24. > :01:25.Even though you have seen Even though you have seen
:01:25. > :01:26.polarisation in this country, and polarisation in this country, and
:01:26. > :01:36.polarisation in this country, and you have seen very serious
:01:36. > :01:36.
:01:36. > :02:28.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 51 seconds
:02:28. > :02:34.But we have the words of the But we have the words of the
:02:34. > :02:34.himself, who just before he was killed accused your
:02:34. > :02:35.killed accused your movement,
:02:35. > :02:36.killed accused your movement, Ennahda,
:02:36. > :02:36.Ennahda, of
:02:36. > :02:37.killed accused your movement, Ennahda, of being
:02:37. > :02:37.Ennahda, of being behind
:02:37. > :02:37.killed accused your movement, Ennahda, of being behind much
:02:37. > :02:37.Ennahda, of being behind much of
:02:38. > :02:38.Ennahda, of being behind much of the
:02:38. > :02:38.the political
:02:38. > :02:39.Ennahda, of being behind much of the political violence.
:02:39. > :02:40.the political violence. He
:02:40. > :02:41.Ennahda, of being behind much of the political violence. He said,
:02:41. > :02:41.the political violence. He said, "All
:02:41. > :02:42."All those
:02:42. > :02:43.the political violence. He said, "All those who
:02:43. > :02:43."All those who oppose
:02:43. > :02:43.the political violence. He said, "All those who oppose any
:02:43. > :02:43."All those who oppose any ardour
:02:43. > :02:44."All those who oppose any ardour are
:02:44. > :02:45.are now
:02:45. > :02:46."All those who oppose any ardour are now targets.
:02:46. > :02:47.are now targets."
:02:47. > :02:48."All those who oppose any ardour are now targets." shortly
:02:48. > :02:48.are now targets." shortly later
:02:48. > :02:48."All those who oppose any ardour are now targets." shortly later he
:02:48. > :02:50.are now targets." shortly later he was
:02:50. > :02:50.was killed
:02:50. > :02:50.are now targets." shortly later he was killed --
:02:50. > :02:51.was killed -- Ennahda.
:02:51. > :02:51.are now targets." shortly later he was killed -- Ennahda. That
:02:51. > :02:51.was killed -- Ennahda. That is
:02:51. > :02:52.was killed -- Ennahda. That is something
:02:52. > :02:52.something you
:02:52. > :02:52.was killed -- Ennahda. That is something you now
:02:52. > :02:52.something you now have
:02:52. > :02:53.was killed -- Ennahda. That is something you now have to
:02:53. > :02:54.something you now have to explain
:02:54. > :02:54.something you now have to explain to
:02:54. > :02:54.to the
:02:54. > :02:54.something you now have to explain to the Tunisian
:02:54. > :03:04.to the Tunisian people.
:03:04. > :03:04.
:03:04. > :04:21.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 51 seconds
:04:21. > :04:21.But
:04:21. > :04:21.But Mr
:04:21. > :04:24.But Mr Ghannouchi,
:04:24. > :04:25.But Mr Ghannouchi, this isn't just But Mr Ghannouchi, this isn't just
:04:25. > :04:26.But Mr Ghannouchi, this isn't just about the anger of a grieving
:04:26. > :04:27.about the anger of a grieving about the anger of a grieving
:04:27. > :04:29.about the anger of a grieving family. I come back to the point
:04:29. > :04:30.family. I come back to the point family. I come back to the point
:04:30. > :04:33.family. I come back to the point that before he died, shook rebel I
:04:33. > :04:36.that before he died, shook rebel I that before he died, shook rebel I
:04:36. > :04:37.need plainly pointed a finger at need plainly pointed a finger at
:04:37. > :04:38.need plainly pointed a finger at York ruling party, Ennahda Movement.
:04:38. > :04:40.York ruling party, Ennahda Movement. York ruling party, Ennahda Movement.
:04:40. > :04:41.He said there was evidence your He said there was evidence your
:04:41. > :04:43.He said there was evidence your party was connected to these
:04:43. > :04:44.party was connected to these party was connected to these
:04:44. > :04:45.militias, the leaks for the militias, the leaks for the
:04:45. > :04:46.militias, the leaks for the Protection of the Revolution, which
:04:46. > :04:48.Protection of the Revolution, which Protection of the Revolution, which
:04:48. > :04:49.he says have been intimidating he says have been intimidating
:04:49. > :04:51.opposition figures, journalists, opposition figures, journalists,
:04:51. > :04:52.opposition figures, journalists, trade unions and others for many
:04:52. > :05:02.trade unions and others for many trade unions and others for many
:05:02. > :05:25.
:05:25. > :05:28.Let's talk about another Let's talk about another
:05:28. > :05:30.potentially dangerous element in potentially dangerous element in
:05:30. > :05:32.Tunisian Society, that's the Tunisian Society, that's the
:05:32. > :05:34.Tunisian Society, that's the Selassie movement. I have met
:05:35. > :05:36.Selassie movement. I have met Selassie movement. I have met
:05:36. > :05:38.myself young bearded men in city myself young bearded men in city
:05:38. > :05:39.myself young bearded men in city myself young bearded men in city
:05:39. > :05:41.busy who say they have no interest busy who say they have no interest
:05:41. > :05:43.busy who say they have no interest in democracy. They are committed to
:05:43. > :05:44.in democracy. They are committed to in democracy. They are committed to
:05:44. > :05:45.in democracy. They are committed to jihad. And they will do all in
:05:45. > :05:46.jihad. And they will do all in jihad. And they will do all in
:05:46. > :05:48.their power to establish Islamic their power to establish Islamic
:05:48. > :05:51.their power to establish Islamic their power to establish Islamic
:05:51. > :05:53.Sharia law in this country. Do you Sharia law in this country. Do you
:05:53. > :05:54.Sharia law in this country. Do you Sharia law in this country. Do you
:05:54. > :05:55.regard such men as a danger to the regard such men as a danger to the
:05:55. > :05:56.regard such men as a danger to the regard such men as a danger to the
:05:56. > :05:59.state? And are you prepared to take state? And are you prepared to take
:05:59. > :06:00.state? And are you prepared to take whatever action is necessary to
:06:00. > :06:10.whatever action is necessary to whatever action is necessary to
:06:10. > :06:10.
:06:10. > :07:11.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 51 seconds
:07:11. > :07:13.ensure they cannot carry out acts UC there are critics of your party
:07:13. > :07:15.UC there are critics of your party UC there are critics of your party
:07:15. > :07:16.UC there are critics of your party in this country who say you have
:07:16. > :07:18.in this country who say you have in this country who say you have
:07:18. > :07:20.been soft on the Salafists. And been soft on the Salafists. And
:07:20. > :07:23.been soft on the Salafists. And they say, for example, the Interior
:07:23. > :07:23.they say, for example, the Interior they say, for example, the Interior
:07:23. > :07:24.they say, for example, the Interior Minister, who is now to be Prime
:07:24. > :07:26.Minister, who is now to be Prime Minister, who is now to be Prime
:07:26. > :07:28.Minister of this country thanks to Minister of this country thanks to
:07:28. > :07:30.Minister of this country thanks to Minister of this country thanks to
:07:30. > :07:40.you, his record suggests he is not you, his record suggests he is not
:07:40. > :07:48.
:07:48. > :07:58.you, his record suggests he is not prepared to confront the Salafists
:07:58. > :08:26.
:08:26. > :08:27.If I may, and I'm sorry to If I may, and I'm sorry to
:08:27. > :08:28.If I may, and I'm sorry to interrupt you, Mr Ghannouchi, but
:08:28. > :08:30.interrupt you, Mr Ghannouchi, but interrupt you, Mr Ghannouchi, but
:08:30. > :08:33.interrupt you, Mr Ghannouchi, but if I made your opponents 0.2 video
:08:33. > :08:35.if I made your opponents 0.2 video if I made your opponents 0.2 video
:08:35. > :08:36.evidence, for example, of you evidence, for example, of you
:08:36. > :08:39.evidence, for example, of you yourself engaging in what appeared
:08:39. > :08:42.yourself engaging in what appeared yourself engaging in what appeared
:08:42. > :08:44.to be very conversation with young to be very conversation with young
:08:44. > :08:46.Salafists last year. It was Salafists last year. It was
:08:46. > :08:48.Salafists last year. It was Salafists last year. It was
:08:48. > :08:49.released last year of Usain to them, released last year of Usain to them,
:08:49. > :08:50.released last year of Usain to them, "Be patient, the government is in
:08:50. > :08:52."Be patient, the government is in "Be patient, the government is in
:08:52. > :08:53.the hands of the Islamists. The the hands of the Islamists. The
:08:53. > :08:55.the hands of the Islamists. The the hands of the Islamists. The
:08:55. > :08:55.masts are ours. We have become the masts are ours. We have become the
:08:55. > :08:58.masts are ours. We have become the most important entity in the
:08:58. > :09:00.most important entity in the most important entity in the
:09:00. > :09:01.country -- the Moscows. We must country -- the Moscows. We must
:09:01. > :09:03.country -- the Moscows. We must establish Corral next calls because
:09:03. > :09:04.establish Corral next calls because establish Corral next calls because
:09:04. > :09:05.establish Corral next calls because our people are ignorant of Islam".
:09:05. > :09:15.our people are ignorant of Islam". our people are ignorant of Islam".
:09:15. > :09:15.
:09:15. > :10:02.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 51 seconds
:10:02. > :10:05.our people are ignorant of Islam". Let me put this bluntly to you, Mr
:10:05. > :10:06.Let me put this bluntly to you, Mr Let me put this bluntly to you, Mr
:10:06. > :10:07.Ghannouchi, I've spoken to the Ghannouchi, I've spoken to the
:10:07. > :10:08.Ghannouchi, I've spoken to the President who says he believes
:10:08. > :10:10.President who says he believes President who says he believes
:10:10. > :10:11.there are hundreds of committed there are hundreds of committed
:10:11. > :10:13.there are hundreds of committed there are hundreds of committed
:10:13. > :10:13.Salafists who are a danger to this Salafists who are a danger to this
:10:13. > :10:16.Salafists who are a danger to this country. And he says if this
:10:16. > :10:18.country. And he says if this country. And he says if this
:10:18. > :10:20.problem is not tackled there is the problem is not tackled there is the
:10:20. > :10:30.problem is not tackled there is the possibility of civil war in Tunisia.
:10:30. > :10:48.
:10:48. > :10:50.possibility of civil war in Tunisia. It was very striking that in the
:10:50. > :10:51.It was very striking that in the It was very striking that in the
:10:51. > :10:53.wake of the assassination of truck wake of the assassination of truck
:10:53. > :10:55.wake of the assassination of truck rebel I eat, there were important
:10:55. > :11:00.rebel I eat, there were important rebel I eat, there were important
:11:00. > :11:00.figures inside your own party, figures inside your own party,
:11:00. > :11:01.figures inside your own party, including then Prime Minister Mr
:11:01. > :11:03.including then Prime Minister Mr including then Prime Minister Mr
:11:03. > :11:04.Hoare Mardie Jebali, who believed Hoare Mardie Jebali, who believed
:11:04. > :11:07.Hoare Mardie Jebali, who believed Hoare Mardie Jebali, who believed
:11:07. > :11:08.it would be the best thing for it would be the best thing for
:11:08. > :11:10.it would be the best thing for Tunisia to establish a non-partisan
:11:10. > :11:11.Tunisia to establish a non-partisan government of technocrats for
:11:11. > :11:12.government of technocrats for government of technocrats for
:11:12. > :11:22.government of technocrats for Ennahda or to take a back seat. You
:11:22. > :11:50.
:11:50. > :11:51.But this is a crisis facing Tunisia But this is a crisis facing Tunisia
:11:51. > :11:53.But this is a crisis facing Tunisia But this is a crisis facing Tunisia
:11:53. > :11:55.today. And others in your own party, today. And others in your own party,
:11:55. > :11:56.including Vice-President Abdel including Vice-President Abdel
:11:56. > :11:58.including Vice-President Abdel including Vice-President Abdel
:11:58. > :11:59.Fatah, said that if you continue on Fatah, said that if you continue on
:11:59. > :12:04.Fatah, said that if you continue on your present course you and other
:12:04. > :12:05.your present course you and other your present course you and other
:12:05. > :12:07.senior leaders -- course, you and senior leaders -- course, you and
:12:07. > :12:12.senior leaders -- course, you and other senior leaders in Ennahda, he
:12:12. > :12:14.other senior leaders in Ennahda, he other senior leaders in Ennahda, he
:12:14. > :12:14.said you face disaster. Unless said you face disaster. Unless
:12:15. > :12:24.said you face disaster. Unless everyone changes we do face
:12:25. > :12:54.
:12:54. > :12:55.everyone changes we do face So let us be very clear then. Right
:12:55. > :12:56.So let us be very clear then. Right So let us be very clear then. Right
:12:56. > :12:57.So let us be very clear then. Right now the debate still is about the
:12:57. > :12:58.now the debate still is about the now the debate still is about the
:12:58. > :13:00.shape of Tunisia's new constitution. shape of Tunisia's new constitution.
:13:00. > :13:00.shape of Tunisia's new constitution. shape of Tunisia's new constitution.
:13:00. > :13:02.It was supposed to be settled by It was supposed to be settled by
:13:02. > :13:03.It was supposed to be settled by It was supposed to be settled by
:13:03. > :13:05.now but you still don't have a new now but you still don't have a new
:13:05. > :13:07.now but you still don't have a new constitution. Let me ask you some
:13:07. > :13:09.constitution. Let me ask you some simple questions about this
:13:09. > :13:10.simple questions about this simple questions about this
:13:10. > :13:11.constitution. Will there or will constitution. Will there or will
:13:11. > :13:12.constitution. Will there or will constitution. Will there or will
:13:12. > :13:15.there not be a reference to Sharia there not be a reference to Sharia
:13:15. > :13:25.there not be a reference to Sharia there not be a reference to Sharia
:13:25. > :13:42.
:13:42. > :13:45.as the basis of law in the new And what about an absolute
:13:45. > :13:47.And what about an absolute commitment to gender equality.
:13:47. > :13:48.commitment to gender equality. commitment to gender equality.
:13:48. > :13:50.Because even the UN Working Group Because even the UN Working Group
:13:50. > :13:53.Because even the UN Working Group on discrimination against women has
:13:53. > :13:54.on discrimination against women has expressed concerns about the
:13:54. > :13:55.expressed concerns about the expressed concerns about the
:13:55. > :13:57.strength of the commitment inside strength of the commitment inside
:13:57. > :13:58.strength of the commitment inside the draft documents for the
:13:58. > :13:59.the draft documents for the the draft documents for the
:13:59. > :14:01.constitution to this idea of constitution to this idea of
:14:01. > :14:11.constitution to this idea of absolute gender equality. Will you
:14:11. > :14:49.
:14:49. > :14:50.absolute gender equality. Will you Let us be clear about the current
:14:50. > :14:52.Let us be clear about the current Let us be clear about the current
:14:52. > :14:54.situation. The country is in limbo situation. The country is in limbo
:14:54. > :14:55.situation. The country is in limbo because there is no constitution
:14:55. > :14:56.because there is no constitution and parliamentary elections that
:14:56. > :14:57.and parliamentary elections that and parliamentary elections that
:14:57. > :15:00.were supposed to take place have were supposed to take place have
:15:00. > :15:00.were supposed to take place have were supposed to take place have
:15:01. > :15:02.been put back until the summer and been put back until the summer and
:15:02. > :15:04.been put back until the summer and according to the President, they
:15:04. > :15:05.according to the President, they according to the President, they
:15:05. > :15:07.according to the President, they may not take place until October or
:15:07. > :15:08.may not take place until October or may not take place until October or
:15:08. > :15:10.November. You are the most powerful November. You are the most powerful
:15:10. > :15:11.November. You are the most powerful November. You are the most powerful
:15:11. > :15:12.man in this country. Can you tell man in this country. Can you tell
:15:12. > :15:15.man in this country. Can you tell man in this country. Can you tell
:15:15. > :15:16.me the specific date by which you me the specific date by which you
:15:16. > :15:18.me the specific date by which you can guarantee there will be fresh
:15:18. > :15:28.can guarantee there will be fresh parliamentary and presidential
:15:28. > :15:56.
:15:56. > :15:56.Is that a guarantee? But is it a Is that a guarantee? But is it a
:15:56. > :15:58.Is that a guarantee? But is it a guarantee? Because there are some
:15:58. > :15:59.guarantee? Because there are some guarantee? Because there are some
:15:59. > :16:09.guarantee? Because there are some in Tunisia who believe that you are
:16:09. > :16:17.
:16:17. > :16:18.in Tunisia who believe that you are But if I may be blunt, do you
:16:18. > :16:18.But if I may be blunt, do you But if I may be blunt, do you
:16:18. > :16:20.believe when the Tunisia and people believe when the Tunisia and people
:16:20. > :16:21.believe when the Tunisia and people see your own son-in-law appointed
:16:21. > :16:24.see your own son-in-law appointed see your own son-in-law appointed
:16:24. > :16:27.to the important post of Foreign to the important post of Foreign
:16:27. > :16:28.to the important post of Foreign Minister and when they then read
:16:28. > :16:29.Minister and when they then read allegations that the Foreign
:16:29. > :16:30.allegations that the Foreign allegations that the Foreign
:16:30. > :16:33.Minister reviews to the public Minister reviews to the public
:16:33. > :16:33.Minister reviews to the public trust by occupying a luxury hotel
:16:34. > :16:37.trust by occupying a luxury hotel trust by occupying a luxury hotel
:16:37. > :16:39.trust by occupying a luxury hotel and using public money to fund that
:16:39. > :16:40.and using public money to fund that and using public money to fund that
:16:40. > :16:41.use, do you believe that actually use, do you believe that actually
:16:41. > :16:43.use, do you believe that actually you in your government and maybe
:16:43. > :16:44.you in your government and maybe you in your government and maybe
:16:44. > :16:54.you in your government and maybe even in your own family have a
:16:54. > :17:30.
:17:31. > :17:33.But you know that if you will. A But you know that if you will. A
:17:33. > :17:36.But you know that if you will. A close relative to a very senior
:17:36. > :17:37.close relative to a very senior close relative to a very senior
:17:37. > :17:39.position, people will talk. -- if position, people will talk. -- if
:17:39. > :17:41.position, people will talk. -- if you appoint a close relative. And
:17:41. > :17:42.you appoint a close relative. And you appoint a close relative. And
:17:42. > :17:43.people will make comparisons to the people will make comparisons to the
:17:43. > :17:44.people will make comparisons to the people will make comparisons to the
:17:44. > :17:45.way things work to the Ben Ali way things work to the Ben Ali
:17:45. > :17:47.way things work to the Ben Ali regime. Surely it would have been
:17:47. > :17:49.regime. Surely it would have been regime. Surely it would have been
:17:49. > :17:59.wiser, better, to keep your family wiser, better, to keep your family
:17:59. > :18:33.
:18:34. > :18:35.wiser, better, to keep your family Finally, let me ask you about the
:18:35. > :18:37.Finally, let me ask you about the international context in which
:18:37. > :18:37.international context in which international context in which
:18:37. > :18:38.international context in which Tunisia must survive. I think it is
:18:38. > :18:40.Tunisia must survive. I think it is Tunisia must survive. I think it is
:18:40. > :18:40.fair to say that Western fair to say that Western
:18:40. > :18:42.fair to say that Western governments look at the Arab
:18:42. > :18:42.governments look at the Arab governments look at the Arab
:18:42. > :18:44.uprising and the revolutions and uprising and the revolutions and
:18:44. > :18:45.uprising and the revolutions and uprising and the revolutions and
:18:45. > :18:46.they are trying to figure out what they are trying to figure out what
:18:46. > :18:47.they are trying to figure out what they are trying to figure out what
:18:47. > :18:50.kind of new politics there will be kind of new politics there will be
:18:50. > :18:51.kind of new politics there will be in the Arab world and how
:18:51. > :18:52.in the Arab world and how relationships between the Western
:18:52. > :18:53.relationships between the Western relationships between the Western
:18:53. > :18:56.relationships between the Western powers and the new Arab states will
:18:56. > :18:58.powers and the new Arab states will powers and the new Arab states will
:18:58. > :19:02.powers and the new Arab states will work. Now, if you can, tell me how
:19:02. > :19:02.work. Now, if you can, tell me how work. Now, if you can, tell me how
:19:02. > :19:12.you see Tunisia's relationship with you see Tunisia's relationship with
:19:12. > :19:13.
:19:13. > :19:23.you see Tunisia's relationship with you see Tunisia's relationship with
:19:23. > :19:36.
:19:36. > :19:38.But in a way, you must know why But in a way, you must know why
:19:38. > :19:39.But in a way, you must know why people were suspicious, because you
:19:39. > :19:41.people were suspicious, because you people were suspicious, because you
:19:41. > :19:42.yourself in the 1990s described the yourself in the 1990s described the
:19:42. > :19:43.yourself in the 1990s described the yourself in the 1990s described the
:19:43. > :19:53.US as a crusader nation and an US as a crusader nation and an
:19:53. > :20:23.
:20:23. > :20:25.enemy of Islam. Have you changed My point about the language ears an
:20:25. > :20:26.My point about the language ears an My point about the language ears an
:20:26. > :20:27.important one. In the 1990s, you important one. In the 1990s, you
:20:27. > :20:28.important one. In the 1990s, you important one. In the 1990s, you
:20:28. > :20:29.call to the US a crusader nation call to the US a crusader nation
:20:29. > :20:31.call to the US a crusader nation call to the US a crusader nation
:20:31. > :20:32.and called it an enemy of Islam. Do and called it an enemy of Islam. Do
:20:32. > :20:42.and called it an enemy of Islam. Do you regret the language that you
:20:42. > :20:42.
:20:42. > :21:29.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 51 seconds
:21:29. > :21:31.If that is the case, will you offer, If that is the case, will you offer,
:21:31. > :21:33.If that is the case, will you offer, for example, support and assistance
:21:33. > :21:34.for example, support and assistance for example, support and assistance
:21:34. > :21:37.to the French in operations against to the French in operations against
:21:37. > :21:38.Islamist militants in Mali? There Islamist militants in Mali? There
:21:38. > :21:41.Islamist militants in Mali? There are allegations, certainly in the
:21:41. > :21:42.are allegations, certainly in the are allegations, certainly in the
:21:42. > :21:44.French press that there are French press that there are
:21:44. > :21:46.Tunisians involved in Al-Qaeda Tunisians involved in Al-Qaeda
:21:46. > :21:49.Tunisians involved in Al-Qaeda linked to groups. We have seen
:21:49. > :21:50.linked to groups. We have seen linked to groups. We have seen
:21:50. > :21:52.Tunisians in Algeria, Syria. Will Tunisians in Algeria, Syria. Will
:21:52. > :21:54.Tunisians in Algeria, Syria. Will you co-operate with the US, the
:21:54. > :21:55.you co-operate with the US, the French, British intelligence in
:21:55. > :21:57.French, British intelligence in French, British intelligence in
:21:57. > :21:58.trying to crack down on these trying to crack down on these
:21:58. > :22:08.trying to crack down on these jihadis even if they are inside
:22:08. > :22:38.
:22:38. > :22:39.One final thought. Tunisian people One final thought. Tunisian people
:22:39. > :22:39.One final thought. Tunisian people One final thought. Tunisian people
:22:39. > :22:41.hoped that their country could be a hoped that their country could be a
:22:41. > :22:42.hoped that their country could be a hoped that their country could be a
:22:42. > :22:47.model for the Arab world in terms model for the Arab world in terms
:22:47. > :22:48.of establishing freedom, democracy, of establishing freedom, democracy,
:22:48. > :22:49.prosperity. Would you acknowledge prosperity. Would you acknowledge
:22:49. > :22:52.prosperity. Would you acknowledge that it actually been harder than
:22:52. > :22:53.that it actually been harder than that it actually been harder than