Rached Ghannouchi - President, Ennahda Movement, Tunisia

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:00:00. > :00:03.a mosque as worshippers were a mosque as worshippers were

:00:03. > :00:05.a mosque as worshippers were leaving evening prayers. Those are

:00:05. > :00:06.leaving evening prayers. Those are leaving evening prayers. Those are

:00:06. > :00:08.leaving evening prayers. Those are the main stories. Now on BBC News

:00:08. > :00:14.the main stories. Now on BBC News the main stories. Now on BBC News

:00:14. > :00:15.it's time for' HARDtalk. -- HARDtalk is in Tunisia, birthplace

:00:15. > :00:16.HARDtalk is in Tunisia, birthplace HARDtalk is in Tunisia, birthplace

:00:16. > :00:18.HARDtalk is in Tunisia, birthplace of the Arab uprising more than two

:00:18. > :00:19.of the Arab uprising more than two of the Arab uprising more than two

:00:19. > :00:20.of the Arab uprising more than two years ago. My guest today is the

:00:20. > :00:21.years ago. My guest today is the years ago. My guest today is the

:00:21. > :00:22.most important man in this country, most important man in this country,

:00:23. > :00:28.most important man in this country, the veteran leader of the ruling

:00:28. > :00:31.the veteran leader of the ruling He is one of the most important

:00:31. > :00:32.He is one of the most important advocates of political Islam in the

:00:32. > :00:34.advocates of political Islam in the advocates of political Islam in the

:00:35. > :00:44.world. But can freedom, democracy world. But can freedom, democracy

:00:45. > :01:07.

:01:07. > :01:10.Rached Ghannouchi, welcome to Rached Ghannouchi, welcome to

:01:10. > :01:11.Rached Ghannouchi, welcome to HARDtalk. It seems the Tunisian

:01:11. > :01:12.HARDtalk. It seems the Tunisian HARDtalk. It seems the Tunisian

:01:12. > :01:22.revolution has entered a dangerous revolution has entered a dangerous

:01:22. > :01:22.

:01:22. > :01:24.revolution has entered a dangerous Even though you have seen

:01:24. > :01:25.Even though you have seen Even though you have seen

:01:25. > :01:26.polarisation in this country, and polarisation in this country, and

:01:26. > :01:36.polarisation in this country, and you have seen very serious

:01:36. > :01:36.

:01:36. > :02:28.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 51 seconds

:02:28. > :02:34.But we have the words of the But we have the words of the

:02:34. > :02:34.himself, who just before he was killed accused your

:02:34. > :02:35.killed accused your movement,

:02:35. > :02:36.killed accused your movement, Ennahda,

:02:36. > :02:36.Ennahda, of

:02:36. > :02:37.killed accused your movement, Ennahda, of being

:02:37. > :02:37.Ennahda, of being behind

:02:37. > :02:37.killed accused your movement, Ennahda, of being behind much

:02:37. > :02:37.Ennahda, of being behind much of

:02:38. > :02:38.Ennahda, of being behind much of the

:02:38. > :02:38.the political

:02:38. > :02:39.Ennahda, of being behind much of the political violence.

:02:39. > :02:40.the political violence. He

:02:40. > :02:41.Ennahda, of being behind much of the political violence. He said,

:02:41. > :02:41.the political violence. He said, "All

:02:41. > :02:42."All those

:02:42. > :02:43.the political violence. He said, "All those who

:02:43. > :02:43."All those who oppose

:02:43. > :02:43.the political violence. He said, "All those who oppose any

:02:43. > :02:43."All those who oppose any ardour

:02:43. > :02:44."All those who oppose any ardour are

:02:44. > :02:45.are now

:02:45. > :02:46."All those who oppose any ardour are now targets.

:02:46. > :02:47.are now targets."

:02:47. > :02:48."All those who oppose any ardour are now targets." shortly

:02:48. > :02:48.are now targets." shortly later

:02:48. > :02:48."All those who oppose any ardour are now targets." shortly later he

:02:48. > :02:50.are now targets." shortly later he was

:02:50. > :02:50.was killed

:02:50. > :02:50.are now targets." shortly later he was killed --

:02:50. > :02:51.was killed -- Ennahda.

:02:51. > :02:51.are now targets." shortly later he was killed -- Ennahda. That

:02:51. > :02:51.was killed -- Ennahda. That is

:02:51. > :02:52.was killed -- Ennahda. That is something

:02:52. > :02:52.something you

:02:52. > :02:52.was killed -- Ennahda. That is something you now

:02:52. > :02:52.something you now have

:02:52. > :02:53.was killed -- Ennahda. That is something you now have to

:02:53. > :02:54.something you now have to explain

:02:54. > :02:54.something you now have to explain to

:02:54. > :02:54.to the

:02:54. > :02:54.something you now have to explain to the Tunisian

:02:54. > :03:04.to the Tunisian people.

:03:04. > :03:04.

:03:04. > :04:21.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 51 seconds

:04:21. > :04:21.But

:04:21. > :04:21.But Mr

:04:21. > :04:24.But Mr Ghannouchi,

:04:24. > :04:25.But Mr Ghannouchi, this isn't just But Mr Ghannouchi, this isn't just

:04:25. > :04:26.But Mr Ghannouchi, this isn't just about the anger of a grieving

:04:26. > :04:27.about the anger of a grieving about the anger of a grieving

:04:27. > :04:29.about the anger of a grieving family. I come back to the point

:04:29. > :04:30.family. I come back to the point family. I come back to the point

:04:30. > :04:33.family. I come back to the point that before he died, shook rebel I

:04:33. > :04:36.that before he died, shook rebel I that before he died, shook rebel I

:04:36. > :04:37.need plainly pointed a finger at need plainly pointed a finger at

:04:37. > :04:38.need plainly pointed a finger at York ruling party, Ennahda Movement.

:04:38. > :04:40.York ruling party, Ennahda Movement. York ruling party, Ennahda Movement.

:04:40. > :04:41.He said there was evidence your He said there was evidence your

:04:41. > :04:43.He said there was evidence your party was connected to these

:04:43. > :04:44.party was connected to these party was connected to these

:04:44. > :04:45.militias, the leaks for the militias, the leaks for the

:04:45. > :04:46.militias, the leaks for the Protection of the Revolution, which

:04:46. > :04:48.Protection of the Revolution, which Protection of the Revolution, which

:04:48. > :04:49.he says have been intimidating he says have been intimidating

:04:49. > :04:51.opposition figures, journalists, opposition figures, journalists,

:04:51. > :04:52.opposition figures, journalists, trade unions and others for many

:04:52. > :05:02.trade unions and others for many trade unions and others for many

:05:02. > :05:25.

:05:25. > :05:28.Let's talk about another Let's talk about another

:05:28. > :05:30.potentially dangerous element in potentially dangerous element in

:05:30. > :05:32.Tunisian Society, that's the Tunisian Society, that's the

:05:32. > :05:34.Tunisian Society, that's the Selassie movement. I have met

:05:35. > :05:36.Selassie movement. I have met Selassie movement. I have met

:05:36. > :05:38.myself young bearded men in city myself young bearded men in city

:05:38. > :05:39.myself young bearded men in city myself young bearded men in city

:05:39. > :05:41.busy who say they have no interest busy who say they have no interest

:05:41. > :05:43.busy who say they have no interest in democracy. They are committed to

:05:43. > :05:44.in democracy. They are committed to in democracy. They are committed to

:05:44. > :05:45.in democracy. They are committed to jihad. And they will do all in

:05:45. > :05:46.jihad. And they will do all in jihad. And they will do all in

:05:46. > :05:48.their power to establish Islamic their power to establish Islamic

:05:48. > :05:51.their power to establish Islamic their power to establish Islamic

:05:51. > :05:53.Sharia law in this country. Do you Sharia law in this country. Do you

:05:53. > :05:54.Sharia law in this country. Do you Sharia law in this country. Do you

:05:54. > :05:55.regard such men as a danger to the regard such men as a danger to the

:05:55. > :05:56.regard such men as a danger to the regard such men as a danger to the

:05:56. > :05:59.state? And are you prepared to take state? And are you prepared to take

:05:59. > :06:00.state? And are you prepared to take whatever action is necessary to

:06:00. > :06:10.whatever action is necessary to whatever action is necessary to

:06:10. > :06:10.

:06:10. > :07:11.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 51 seconds

:07:11. > :07:13.ensure they cannot carry out acts UC there are critics of your party

:07:13. > :07:15.UC there are critics of your party UC there are critics of your party

:07:15. > :07:16.UC there are critics of your party in this country who say you have

:07:16. > :07:18.in this country who say you have in this country who say you have

:07:18. > :07:20.been soft on the Salafists. And been soft on the Salafists. And

:07:20. > :07:23.been soft on the Salafists. And they say, for example, the Interior

:07:23. > :07:23.they say, for example, the Interior they say, for example, the Interior

:07:23. > :07:24.they say, for example, the Interior Minister, who is now to be Prime

:07:24. > :07:26.Minister, who is now to be Prime Minister, who is now to be Prime

:07:26. > :07:28.Minister of this country thanks to Minister of this country thanks to

:07:28. > :07:30.Minister of this country thanks to Minister of this country thanks to

:07:30. > :07:40.you, his record suggests he is not you, his record suggests he is not

:07:40. > :07:48.

:07:48. > :07:58.you, his record suggests he is not prepared to confront the Salafists

:07:58. > :08:26.

:08:26. > :08:27.If I may, and I'm sorry to If I may, and I'm sorry to

:08:27. > :08:28.If I may, and I'm sorry to interrupt you, Mr Ghannouchi, but

:08:28. > :08:30.interrupt you, Mr Ghannouchi, but interrupt you, Mr Ghannouchi, but

:08:30. > :08:33.interrupt you, Mr Ghannouchi, but if I made your opponents 0.2 video

:08:33. > :08:35.if I made your opponents 0.2 video if I made your opponents 0.2 video

:08:35. > :08:36.evidence, for example, of you evidence, for example, of you

:08:36. > :08:39.evidence, for example, of you yourself engaging in what appeared

:08:39. > :08:42.yourself engaging in what appeared yourself engaging in what appeared

:08:42. > :08:44.to be very conversation with young to be very conversation with young

:08:44. > :08:46.Salafists last year. It was Salafists last year. It was

:08:46. > :08:48.Salafists last year. It was Salafists last year. It was

:08:48. > :08:49.released last year of Usain to them, released last year of Usain to them,

:08:49. > :08:50.released last year of Usain to them, "Be patient, the government is in

:08:50. > :08:52."Be patient, the government is in "Be patient, the government is in

:08:52. > :08:53.the hands of the Islamists. The the hands of the Islamists. The

:08:53. > :08:55.the hands of the Islamists. The the hands of the Islamists. The

:08:55. > :08:55.masts are ours. We have become the masts are ours. We have become the

:08:55. > :08:58.masts are ours. We have become the most important entity in the

:08:58. > :09:00.most important entity in the most important entity in the

:09:00. > :09:01.country -- the Moscows. We must country -- the Moscows. We must

:09:01. > :09:03.country -- the Moscows. We must establish Corral next calls because

:09:03. > :09:04.establish Corral next calls because establish Corral next calls because

:09:04. > :09:05.establish Corral next calls because our people are ignorant of Islam".

:09:05. > :09:15.our people are ignorant of Islam". our people are ignorant of Islam".

:09:15. > :09:15.

:09:15. > :10:02.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 51 seconds

:10:02. > :10:05.our people are ignorant of Islam". Let me put this bluntly to you, Mr

:10:05. > :10:06.Let me put this bluntly to you, Mr Let me put this bluntly to you, Mr

:10:06. > :10:07.Ghannouchi, I've spoken to the Ghannouchi, I've spoken to the

:10:07. > :10:08.Ghannouchi, I've spoken to the President who says he believes

:10:08. > :10:10.President who says he believes President who says he believes

:10:10. > :10:11.there are hundreds of committed there are hundreds of committed

:10:11. > :10:13.there are hundreds of committed there are hundreds of committed

:10:13. > :10:13.Salafists who are a danger to this Salafists who are a danger to this

:10:13. > :10:16.Salafists who are a danger to this country. And he says if this

:10:16. > :10:18.country. And he says if this country. And he says if this

:10:18. > :10:20.problem is not tackled there is the problem is not tackled there is the

:10:20. > :10:30.problem is not tackled there is the possibility of civil war in Tunisia.

:10:30. > :10:48.

:10:48. > :10:50.possibility of civil war in Tunisia. It was very striking that in the

:10:50. > :10:51.It was very striking that in the It was very striking that in the

:10:51. > :10:53.wake of the assassination of truck wake of the assassination of truck

:10:53. > :10:55.wake of the assassination of truck rebel I eat, there were important

:10:55. > :11:00.rebel I eat, there were important rebel I eat, there were important

:11:00. > :11:00.figures inside your own party, figures inside your own party,

:11:00. > :11:01.figures inside your own party, including then Prime Minister Mr

:11:01. > :11:03.including then Prime Minister Mr including then Prime Minister Mr

:11:03. > :11:04.Hoare Mardie Jebali, who believed Hoare Mardie Jebali, who believed

:11:04. > :11:07.Hoare Mardie Jebali, who believed Hoare Mardie Jebali, who believed

:11:07. > :11:08.it would be the best thing for it would be the best thing for

:11:08. > :11:10.it would be the best thing for Tunisia to establish a non-partisan

:11:10. > :11:11.Tunisia to establish a non-partisan government of technocrats for

:11:11. > :11:12.government of technocrats for government of technocrats for

:11:12. > :11:22.government of technocrats for Ennahda or to take a back seat. You

:11:22. > :11:50.

:11:50. > :11:51.But this is a crisis facing Tunisia But this is a crisis facing Tunisia

:11:51. > :11:53.But this is a crisis facing Tunisia But this is a crisis facing Tunisia

:11:53. > :11:55.today. And others in your own party, today. And others in your own party,

:11:55. > :11:56.including Vice-President Abdel including Vice-President Abdel

:11:56. > :11:58.including Vice-President Abdel including Vice-President Abdel

:11:58. > :11:59.Fatah, said that if you continue on Fatah, said that if you continue on

:11:59. > :12:04.Fatah, said that if you continue on your present course you and other

:12:04. > :12:05.your present course you and other your present course you and other

:12:05. > :12:07.senior leaders -- course, you and senior leaders -- course, you and

:12:07. > :12:12.senior leaders -- course, you and other senior leaders in Ennahda, he

:12:12. > :12:14.other senior leaders in Ennahda, he other senior leaders in Ennahda, he

:12:14. > :12:14.said you face disaster. Unless said you face disaster. Unless

:12:15. > :12:24.said you face disaster. Unless everyone changes we do face

:12:25. > :12:54.

:12:54. > :12:55.everyone changes we do face So let us be very clear then. Right

:12:55. > :12:56.So let us be very clear then. Right So let us be very clear then. Right

:12:56. > :12:57.So let us be very clear then. Right now the debate still is about the

:12:57. > :12:58.now the debate still is about the now the debate still is about the

:12:58. > :13:00.shape of Tunisia's new constitution. shape of Tunisia's new constitution.

:13:00. > :13:00.shape of Tunisia's new constitution. shape of Tunisia's new constitution.

:13:00. > :13:02.It was supposed to be settled by It was supposed to be settled by

:13:02. > :13:03.It was supposed to be settled by It was supposed to be settled by

:13:03. > :13:05.now but you still don't have a new now but you still don't have a new

:13:05. > :13:07.now but you still don't have a new constitution. Let me ask you some

:13:07. > :13:09.constitution. Let me ask you some simple questions about this

:13:09. > :13:10.simple questions about this simple questions about this

:13:10. > :13:11.constitution. Will there or will constitution. Will there or will

:13:11. > :13:12.constitution. Will there or will constitution. Will there or will

:13:12. > :13:15.there not be a reference to Sharia there not be a reference to Sharia

:13:15. > :13:25.there not be a reference to Sharia there not be a reference to Sharia

:13:25. > :13:42.

:13:42. > :13:45.as the basis of law in the new And what about an absolute

:13:45. > :13:47.And what about an absolute commitment to gender equality.

:13:47. > :13:48.commitment to gender equality. commitment to gender equality.

:13:48. > :13:50.Because even the UN Working Group Because even the UN Working Group

:13:50. > :13:53.Because even the UN Working Group on discrimination against women has

:13:53. > :13:54.on discrimination against women has expressed concerns about the

:13:54. > :13:55.expressed concerns about the expressed concerns about the

:13:55. > :13:57.strength of the commitment inside strength of the commitment inside

:13:57. > :13:58.strength of the commitment inside the draft documents for the

:13:58. > :13:59.the draft documents for the the draft documents for the

:13:59. > :14:01.constitution to this idea of constitution to this idea of

:14:01. > :14:11.constitution to this idea of absolute gender equality. Will you

:14:11. > :14:49.

:14:49. > :14:50.absolute gender equality. Will you Let us be clear about the current

:14:50. > :14:52.Let us be clear about the current Let us be clear about the current

:14:52. > :14:54.situation. The country is in limbo situation. The country is in limbo

:14:54. > :14:55.situation. The country is in limbo because there is no constitution

:14:55. > :14:56.because there is no constitution and parliamentary elections that

:14:56. > :14:57.and parliamentary elections that and parliamentary elections that

:14:57. > :15:00.were supposed to take place have were supposed to take place have

:15:00. > :15:00.were supposed to take place have were supposed to take place have

:15:01. > :15:02.been put back until the summer and been put back until the summer and

:15:02. > :15:04.been put back until the summer and according to the President, they

:15:04. > :15:05.according to the President, they according to the President, they

:15:05. > :15:07.according to the President, they may not take place until October or

:15:07. > :15:08.may not take place until October or may not take place until October or

:15:08. > :15:10.November. You are the most powerful November. You are the most powerful

:15:10. > :15:11.November. You are the most powerful November. You are the most powerful

:15:11. > :15:12.man in this country. Can you tell man in this country. Can you tell

:15:12. > :15:15.man in this country. Can you tell man in this country. Can you tell

:15:15. > :15:16.me the specific date by which you me the specific date by which you

:15:16. > :15:18.me the specific date by which you can guarantee there will be fresh

:15:18. > :15:28.can guarantee there will be fresh parliamentary and presidential

:15:28. > :15:56.

:15:56. > :15:56.Is that a guarantee? But is it a Is that a guarantee? But is it a

:15:56. > :15:58.Is that a guarantee? But is it a guarantee? Because there are some

:15:58. > :15:59.guarantee? Because there are some guarantee? Because there are some

:15:59. > :16:09.guarantee? Because there are some in Tunisia who believe that you are

:16:09. > :16:17.

:16:17. > :16:18.in Tunisia who believe that you are But if I may be blunt, do you

:16:18. > :16:18.But if I may be blunt, do you But if I may be blunt, do you

:16:18. > :16:20.believe when the Tunisia and people believe when the Tunisia and people

:16:20. > :16:21.believe when the Tunisia and people see your own son-in-law appointed

:16:21. > :16:24.see your own son-in-law appointed see your own son-in-law appointed

:16:24. > :16:27.to the important post of Foreign to the important post of Foreign

:16:27. > :16:28.to the important post of Foreign Minister and when they then read

:16:28. > :16:29.Minister and when they then read allegations that the Foreign

:16:29. > :16:30.allegations that the Foreign allegations that the Foreign

:16:30. > :16:33.Minister reviews to the public Minister reviews to the public

:16:33. > :16:33.Minister reviews to the public trust by occupying a luxury hotel

:16:34. > :16:37.trust by occupying a luxury hotel trust by occupying a luxury hotel

:16:37. > :16:39.trust by occupying a luxury hotel and using public money to fund that

:16:39. > :16:40.and using public money to fund that and using public money to fund that

:16:40. > :16:41.use, do you believe that actually use, do you believe that actually

:16:41. > :16:43.use, do you believe that actually you in your government and maybe

:16:43. > :16:44.you in your government and maybe you in your government and maybe

:16:44. > :16:54.you in your government and maybe even in your own family have a

:16:54. > :17:30.

:17:31. > :17:33.But you know that if you will. A But you know that if you will. A

:17:33. > :17:36.But you know that if you will. A close relative to a very senior

:17:36. > :17:37.close relative to a very senior close relative to a very senior

:17:37. > :17:39.position, people will talk. -- if position, people will talk. -- if

:17:39. > :17:41.position, people will talk. -- if you appoint a close relative. And

:17:41. > :17:42.you appoint a close relative. And you appoint a close relative. And

:17:42. > :17:43.people will make comparisons to the people will make comparisons to the

:17:43. > :17:44.people will make comparisons to the people will make comparisons to the

:17:44. > :17:45.way things work to the Ben Ali way things work to the Ben Ali

:17:45. > :17:47.way things work to the Ben Ali regime. Surely it would have been

:17:47. > :17:49.regime. Surely it would have been regime. Surely it would have been

:17:49. > :17:59.wiser, better, to keep your family wiser, better, to keep your family

:17:59. > :18:33.

:18:34. > :18:35.wiser, better, to keep your family Finally, let me ask you about the

:18:35. > :18:37.Finally, let me ask you about the international context in which

:18:37. > :18:37.international context in which international context in which

:18:37. > :18:38.international context in which Tunisia must survive. I think it is

:18:38. > :18:40.Tunisia must survive. I think it is Tunisia must survive. I think it is

:18:40. > :18:40.fair to say that Western fair to say that Western

:18:40. > :18:42.fair to say that Western governments look at the Arab

:18:42. > :18:42.governments look at the Arab governments look at the Arab

:18:42. > :18:44.uprising and the revolutions and uprising and the revolutions and

:18:44. > :18:45.uprising and the revolutions and uprising and the revolutions and

:18:45. > :18:46.they are trying to figure out what they are trying to figure out what

:18:46. > :18:47.they are trying to figure out what they are trying to figure out what

:18:47. > :18:50.kind of new politics there will be kind of new politics there will be

:18:50. > :18:51.kind of new politics there will be in the Arab world and how

:18:51. > :18:52.in the Arab world and how relationships between the Western

:18:52. > :18:53.relationships between the Western relationships between the Western

:18:53. > :18:56.relationships between the Western powers and the new Arab states will

:18:56. > :18:58.powers and the new Arab states will powers and the new Arab states will

:18:58. > :19:02.powers and the new Arab states will work. Now, if you can, tell me how

:19:02. > :19:02.work. Now, if you can, tell me how work. Now, if you can, tell me how

:19:02. > :19:12.you see Tunisia's relationship with you see Tunisia's relationship with

:19:12. > :19:13.

:19:13. > :19:23.you see Tunisia's relationship with you see Tunisia's relationship with

:19:23. > :19:36.

:19:36. > :19:38.But in a way, you must know why But in a way, you must know why

:19:38. > :19:39.But in a way, you must know why people were suspicious, because you

:19:39. > :19:41.people were suspicious, because you people were suspicious, because you

:19:41. > :19:42.yourself in the 1990s described the yourself in the 1990s described the

:19:42. > :19:43.yourself in the 1990s described the yourself in the 1990s described the

:19:43. > :19:53.US as a crusader nation and an US as a crusader nation and an

:19:53. > :20:23.

:20:23. > :20:25.enemy of Islam. Have you changed My point about the language ears an

:20:25. > :20:26.My point about the language ears an My point about the language ears an

:20:26. > :20:27.important one. In the 1990s, you important one. In the 1990s, you

:20:27. > :20:28.important one. In the 1990s, you important one. In the 1990s, you

:20:28. > :20:29.call to the US a crusader nation call to the US a crusader nation

:20:29. > :20:31.call to the US a crusader nation call to the US a crusader nation

:20:31. > :20:32.and called it an enemy of Islam. Do and called it an enemy of Islam. Do

:20:32. > :20:42.and called it an enemy of Islam. Do you regret the language that you

:20:42. > :20:42.

:20:42. > :21:29.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 51 seconds

:21:29. > :21:31.If that is the case, will you offer, If that is the case, will you offer,

:21:31. > :21:33.If that is the case, will you offer, for example, support and assistance

:21:33. > :21:34.for example, support and assistance for example, support and assistance

:21:34. > :21:37.to the French in operations against to the French in operations against

:21:37. > :21:38.Islamist militants in Mali? There Islamist militants in Mali? There

:21:38. > :21:41.Islamist militants in Mali? There are allegations, certainly in the

:21:41. > :21:42.are allegations, certainly in the are allegations, certainly in the

:21:42. > :21:44.French press that there are French press that there are

:21:44. > :21:46.Tunisians involved in Al-Qaeda Tunisians involved in Al-Qaeda

:21:46. > :21:49.Tunisians involved in Al-Qaeda linked to groups. We have seen

:21:49. > :21:50.linked to groups. We have seen linked to groups. We have seen

:21:50. > :21:52.Tunisians in Algeria, Syria. Will Tunisians in Algeria, Syria. Will

:21:52. > :21:54.Tunisians in Algeria, Syria. Will you co-operate with the US, the

:21:54. > :21:55.you co-operate with the US, the French, British intelligence in

:21:55. > :21:57.French, British intelligence in French, British intelligence in

:21:57. > :21:58.trying to crack down on these trying to crack down on these

:21:58. > :22:08.trying to crack down on these jihadis even if they are inside

:22:08. > :22:38.

:22:38. > :22:39.One final thought. Tunisian people One final thought. Tunisian people

:22:39. > :22:39.One final thought. Tunisian people One final thought. Tunisian people

:22:39. > :22:41.hoped that their country could be a hoped that their country could be a

:22:41. > :22:42.hoped that their country could be a hoped that their country could be a

:22:42. > :22:47.model for the Arab world in terms model for the Arab world in terms

:22:47. > :22:48.of establishing freedom, democracy, of establishing freedom, democracy,

:22:48. > :22:49.prosperity. Would you acknowledge prosperity. Would you acknowledge

:22:49. > :22:52.prosperity. Would you acknowledge that it actually been harder than

:22:52. > :22:53.that it actually been harder than that it actually been harder than