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0:00:08 > 0:00:11Welcome to a special edition of HARDtalk
0:00:11 > 0:00:16from the Cannes Lions Festival.
0:00:16 > 0:00:18The annual gathering of advertising and media folk
0:00:18 > 0:00:19from around the world.
0:00:19 > 0:00:21My guest today is the Oscar-winning actor Gwyneth Paltrow,
0:00:21 > 0:00:24a Hollywood A-lister who in recent years has focused much of her
0:00:24 > 0:00:26attention on building her lifestyle and consumer business,
0:00:26 > 0:00:42Goop.
0:00:42 > 0:00:44Her likes and opinions are followed by millions,
0:00:44 > 0:00:46prompting aspiration in many, but mockery in some.
0:00:46 > 0:00:48Why does she rouse such strong emotions?
0:00:48 > 0:00:50Well, ladies and gentlemen, please give a very warm
0:00:50 > 0:00:51welcome to Gwyneth Paltrow.
0:00:51 > 0:00:54APPLAUSE.
0:00:54 > 0:01:10Gwyneth, first of all, welcome to HARDtalk.
0:01:10 > 0:01:11Thank you for being here.
0:01:11 > 0:01:14In terms of your professional life today, do you see
0:01:14 > 0:01:17yourself first as an actor, which you have been all of your
0:01:17 > 0:01:19adult life, or a businesswoman?
0:01:19 > 0:01:25I think I see myself daily now, my role really is operating,
0:01:25 > 0:01:28running, being the creative force behind the business.
0:01:28 > 0:01:31But I say that because I am able to regard myself that
0:01:31 > 0:01:34way because I started, I built myself as an actor,
0:01:34 > 0:01:35and I'm doing it from that platform.
0:01:35 > 0:01:45And I think it is always going to be in my DNA, as well.
0:01:45 > 0:01:49But if it is in your DNA, how difficult is it to seriously
0:01:49 > 0:01:52really curtail the amount of movies, the amount of acting you do?
0:01:52 > 0:01:54I was looking at the arc of your career.
0:01:54 > 0:02:06You have had a whole host of big movies.
0:02:06 > 0:02:09You won the Oscar back in 1989 for Shakespeare In Love,
0:02:09 > 0:02:13and yet these days, at most, it seems, you do one movie a year.
0:02:13 > 0:02:15At the most, yes.
0:02:15 > 0:02:17I mean, I think I had an incredible acting career.
0:02:17 > 0:02:20I was really, really fortunate to be in the right
0:02:20 > 0:02:23place at the right time, have some talent and meet
0:02:23 > 0:02:24wonderful people and get great opportunity.
0:02:24 > 0:02:25Can I interrupt?
0:02:25 > 0:02:27You said had, the past tense.
0:02:27 > 0:02:30Is that the way you feel about it?
0:02:30 > 0:02:33I mean, I think that at this point right now, I am so focused
0:02:33 > 0:02:36on the business and scaling the business and raising my
0:02:36 > 0:02:39children, and there is really only so much that one can do.
0:02:39 > 0:02:42And I think that I do believe that women, people and women especially,
0:02:42 > 0:02:44have different chapters in their lives, and different
0:02:44 > 0:02:47seasons, and it has been interesting to kind of change course
0:02:47 > 0:02:50and in a way have the bravery to do it, because I think I had
0:02:50 > 0:02:53a perfectly good job, and a wonderful career,
0:02:53 > 0:02:55and I really decided to hit it and try something else
0:02:55 > 0:03:06and follow our passion.
0:03:06 > 0:03:08If there are movie producers watching this,
0:03:08 > 0:03:10or indeed in the audience, and they are thinking
0:03:10 > 0:03:13that they are looking for you to play a role and be
0:03:13 > 0:03:17in a movie project, are you saying to me if phone call came in that
0:03:17 > 0:03:20you would simply say no?
0:03:20 > 0:03:23I couldn't do it right now.
0:03:23 > 0:03:24I couldn't possibly do it right now.
0:03:24 > 0:03:26But that's not saying that next year I couldn't.
0:03:27 > 0:03:32But not right now.
0:03:32 > 0:03:35Do you think there is something in the argument that it is
0:03:35 > 0:03:37much tougher for women in the movie business?
0:03:37 > 0:03:40You have mentioned the commitment you have two young children.
0:03:40 > 0:03:43I dare say that male actors as successful as you would sit
0:03:43 > 0:03:46in that chair and talk to me, and they wouldn't necessarily say
0:03:46 > 0:03:48that being a father is really in a sense curtailing
0:03:48 > 0:03:50or compromising or restricting their ability to continue
0:03:50 > 0:03:57in the movie business?
0:03:57 > 0:04:00Right.
0:04:00 > 0:04:03I think that is something that all working women,
0:04:03 > 0:04:04working mothers, struggle with.
0:04:04 > 0:04:07The idea that we want to raise our children, and we also
0:04:07 > 0:04:09want to fulfil our passions and our professional dreams.
0:04:09 > 0:04:12I was very lucky that one I had children I was
0:04:12 > 0:04:18able to take a break.
0:04:18 > 0:04:20Some women are not afforded that luxury.
0:04:20 > 0:04:23And I was able to stop for a few years and commit to
0:04:23 > 0:04:25just being at home.
0:04:25 > 0:04:29And it was that point that I really made the pivot in my career.
0:04:29 > 0:04:31And I want to talk a lot about the business.
0:04:31 > 0:04:34I just wonder if one element in your business life
0:04:34 > 0:04:36that you appreciate, given the experiences you have had
0:04:36 > 0:04:39in the movie industry, is that you are now in control.
0:04:39 > 0:04:41I have been looking, preparing for talking to you,
0:04:41 > 0:04:43looking at some of the words from leading actors,
0:04:43 > 0:04:46female actors in the business today.
0:04:46 > 0:04:48Salma Hayek not long ago said that Hollywood is basically
0:04:48 > 0:05:00dysfunctional.
0:05:00 > 0:05:03If you have the same capacities, you are doing the same job
0:05:03 > 0:05:05as a man and a woman, it is criminal not to
0:05:05 > 0:05:07pay the same salary.
0:05:07 > 0:05:10She clearly feels still there is deep sexism in the pay scales.
0:05:10 > 0:05:12Keira Knightley said recently, it is not just about the play.
0:05:12 > 0:05:15There is a lack of female centric stories in Hollywood.
0:05:15 > 0:05:16Where are the female stories?
0:05:16 > 0:05:18Where the female directors and the writers?
0:05:18 > 0:05:19It is fundamentally imbalanced.
0:05:19 > 0:05:20Did you feel that?
0:05:20 > 0:05:24Um...
0:05:24 > 0:05:27You know, when I was in the midst of doing movie after movie,
0:05:27 > 0:05:31I think it was a very special time when there were a lot of independent
0:05:31 > 0:05:32films being made, but with robust budgets,
0:05:32 > 0:05:35and a lot of female stories.
0:05:35 > 0:05:38I do find that there are less female stories being told,
0:05:38 > 0:05:40but then every once in awhile you will see something
0:05:40 > 0:05:42that is really resonant, really female centric.
0:05:42 > 0:05:46But I think as women in the culture now, we are always trying to push
0:05:46 > 0:05:48forward and move the needle and reach for equality
0:05:48 > 0:05:56and demand equality.
0:05:56 > 0:05:57It's like a supertanker.
0:05:57 > 0:05:59You can't turn it a really quick turn.
0:05:59 > 0:06:01It is a really slow turn.
0:06:01 > 0:06:08But I think we're getting there.
0:06:08 > 0:06:11But Charlize Theron on a recent movie said, she looked at the deal
0:06:11 > 0:06:13she was being offered, and she knew that her co-lead,
0:06:13 > 0:06:16I think it was Chris Hemsworth, was being paid substantially more
0:06:16 > 0:06:20than she was, and she said, I am not going to do the movie
0:06:20 > 0:06:25unless we get equal.
0:06:25 > 0:06:27Would you do that in future?
0:06:27 > 0:06:29You are not giving up movies entirely, but is that no
0:06:29 > 0:06:31important to you?
0:06:31 > 0:06:33You know, I think philosophically it is very important,
0:06:33 > 0:06:37but I think also part of it there is a chauvinistic aspect to it.
0:06:37 > 0:06:40But I also think that there are, in a case like Charlize,
0:06:40 > 0:06:42she deserves to be paid as much if not more.
0:06:42 > 0:06:45But there are certain cases where they are using different
0:06:45 > 0:06:47metrics and data to determine prices for people.
0:06:47 > 0:06:52It is not always gender-based.
0:06:52 > 0:07:06So I think there is a spectrum.
0:07:06 > 0:07:08Let's get to Goop, if we may.
0:07:08 > 0:07:10It is a pretty extraordinary story.
0:07:10 > 0:07:14Is it true that I think back in 2008 you just decided it would be fun
0:07:14 > 0:07:17to send out a sort of weekly e-mail of your thoughts, your likes,
0:07:17 > 0:07:19the things you discovered, a sort of Gwyneth speaking
0:07:19 > 0:07:20to the community.
0:07:20 > 0:07:21Is that how it started?
0:07:21 > 0:07:24Sort of.
0:07:24 > 0:07:27I had the great fortune of living all over the world,
0:07:27 > 0:07:30making films and travelling, and I am a real traveller and I love
0:07:30 > 0:07:34to eat and cook and discover things, and I am in very curious,
0:07:34 > 0:07:36and so I started aggregating all of the information that
0:07:36 > 0:07:38I was collecting, and it was before the Internet,
0:07:38 > 0:07:42so I had reams of notebooks, and my friends would always call me,
0:07:42 > 0:07:45and I was a person from my friends, they would call and say,
0:07:45 > 0:07:47I am going to Rome, we should ie?
0:07:47 > 0:07:49Or how do I roast a chicken?
0:07:49 > 0:07:51And that kind of thing.
0:07:51 > 0:07:54How do I roast a chicken?
0:07:54 > 0:07:57Literally, that is a call that I used to get a lot.
0:07:57 > 0:08:00That wasn't from Chris, was it, Chris Martin?
0:08:00 > 0:08:04Oh, who set the house on fire when he made me dinner?
0:08:04 > 0:08:08That was a different story.
0:08:08 > 0:08:11And it was that, and it was also that I had curiosity about
0:08:11 > 0:08:14the Internet and what was possible, and I kind of had dreamed somewhere
0:08:14 > 0:08:17of doing something in the lifestyle space, and one day I just kind
0:08:17 > 0:08:24of took this bizarre leap, and I started publishing content.
0:08:24 > 0:08:34And I guess what you were a pioneer of was understanding the power
0:08:34 > 0:08:37of the Internet, because you could put it out there online,
0:08:37 > 0:08:39and you immediately, because you were very well-known,
0:08:39 > 0:08:42you begin to build a very, very substantial group of followers.
0:08:42 > 0:08:53Yes, it's true.
0:08:53 > 0:08:55And kind of unwittingly, I didn't realise that that
0:08:56 > 0:08:57would happen organically.
0:08:57 > 0:08:59But did you consciously think, you know what?
0:08:59 > 0:09:02I am building a brand here, brand Gwyneth, and I can play
0:09:02 > 0:09:03upon people's aspirations.
0:09:03 > 0:09:05There are certain things about my life that many people
0:09:05 > 0:09:08would regard as attractive, and I can sort of build a brand
0:09:08 > 0:09:15around people wanting to be a bit like me?
0:09:15 > 0:09:18No, it wasn't conscious like that.
0:09:18 > 0:09:20It was genuinely me wanting to find the best dancers,
0:09:20 > 0:09:22answer my own question is, aggregate information
0:09:22 > 0:09:29for my friends, people who might be interested in the information.
0:09:29 > 0:09:32I think it was only through time, through the gestation period
0:09:32 > 0:09:34of the brand that I started to understand there is
0:09:34 > 0:09:39power in this brand.
0:09:39 > 0:09:42I don't know how to harness it, I don't know why, I don't know
0:09:42 > 0:09:45what I'm doing exactly, and it has been something that
0:09:45 > 0:09:47I have learned through the course of doing it.
0:09:47 > 0:09:54Here is the critique.
0:09:54 > 0:09:56I like this phrase one of your critics came up with.
0:09:56 > 0:09:59Goop essentially is airy online pronouncements from planet wealth.
0:09:59 > 0:10:00You being the ruler of planet wealth.
0:10:00 > 0:10:06I mean, there is something...
0:10:06 > 0:10:08Is there a spaceship I can take there?
0:10:08 > 0:10:11To planet wealth?
0:10:11 > 0:10:16You know what they are getting at.
0:10:16 > 0:10:19I just took a look at the Goop website, because I thought it
0:10:19 > 0:10:22would be fun, on the way in, and you are offering people
0:10:22 > 0:10:24an extraordinary range of stuff, from skincare products
0:10:24 > 0:10:26to clothing to jewellery, and you have sponsors
0:10:26 > 0:10:28and all of that sort of stuff.
0:10:28 > 0:10:29But the prices are pretty extraordinary.
0:10:29 > 0:10:31A one-piece...
0:10:31 > 0:10:34Well, they call it a onesie, a pyjama suit for a thousand bucks.
0:10:34 > 0:10:35I mean, that seems...
0:10:35 > 0:10:38Is there?
0:10:38 > 0:10:42There really is.
0:10:42 > 0:10:45You know, the truth of the matter is we have a complete range
0:10:45 > 0:10:48of price points on the site, so we have an $8 lip balm,
0:10:48 > 0:10:55a $12 nontoxic deodorant.
0:10:55 > 0:10:58What we are trying to do is really offer a place for delight,
0:10:58 > 0:11:00where we are hoping to help people make interesting choices,
0:11:00 > 0:11:03and we are not always saying, sometimes we are not always
0:11:03 > 0:11:06recommending you should buy this, but if you dig in the site,
0:11:06 > 0:11:08there are definitely things at every price point.
0:11:08 > 0:11:11I think it's an easy criticism to make, and also, to be honest,
0:11:11 > 0:11:14we have a bit of fun now, and we'll affiliate link
0:11:14 > 0:11:24to a $15,000 gold dildo just to troll people back.
0:11:24 > 0:11:26I did wonder about that, whether you are quite
0:11:26 > 0:11:29aware of this critique.
0:11:29 > 0:11:34Sure.
0:11:34 > 0:11:37And the fact that you can talk to a lot of people,
0:11:37 > 0:11:40and a lot of people know you for the acting, but now
0:11:40 > 0:11:43a lot of people also know you for, if I may say so,
0:11:43 > 0:11:44the $15,000 gold dildo.
0:11:44 > 0:11:44Are you in a way having a laugh...
0:11:46 > 0:11:50Are you in a way having a laugh...?
0:11:50 > 0:11:51The things we achieve in life!
0:11:51 > 0:11:54I didn't think I would be discussing that on BBC
0:11:54 > 0:11:55World News, but there you go!
0:11:55 > 0:11:59LAUGHTER.
0:11:59 > 0:12:01Are you having a bit of a laugh?
0:12:01 > 0:12:03Oh, for sure.
0:12:03 > 0:12:05I mean, we definitely do that now for effect.
0:12:05 > 0:12:06It is fun.
0:12:06 > 0:12:09We look for products that will create that kind of reaction.
0:12:09 > 0:12:11But you know some people are really going to resent it,
0:12:11 > 0:12:15and they will say, how dare she put out there a lifestyle which so many
0:12:15 > 0:12:17people simply cannot afford, you know.
0:12:17 > 0:12:20Do you worry about that?
0:12:20 > 0:12:24I did see it that way.
0:12:24 > 0:12:26The values of the brand are that we believe in family,
0:12:26 > 0:12:29we believe in good food, we believe in wellness,
0:12:29 > 0:12:31we believe in nontoxic beauty, and the brand is really
0:12:31 > 0:12:33built around the values.
0:12:33 > 0:12:35And yes, if you want to buy something that is nontoxic,
0:12:35 > 0:12:39it might slightly more expensive, which to me begs a bigger question
0:12:39 > 0:12:41of why there aren't organic or nontoxic products more widely
0:12:41 > 0:12:44available at a more mass price point, and hopefully we will be able
0:12:44 > 0:12:51to make some one day.
0:12:51 > 0:12:54But really, it's about executing on the values of the brand,
0:12:54 > 0:12:57and there are some things that are expensive, but it's not
0:12:57 > 0:13:05about some lofty, unattainable lifestyle whatsoever.
0:13:05 > 0:13:08Let's not get too hung up on the money, because I am also
0:13:08 > 0:13:10interested in the degree to which you in your pursuit
0:13:10 > 0:13:13of well-being and a healthy lifestyle are sending out a message
0:13:13 > 0:13:16which does suggest we all have to take an extraordinary amount
0:13:16 > 0:13:19of care about what we eat, what we put on our faces,
0:13:19 > 0:13:31how we live our lives.
0:13:31 > 0:13:34When we get to foodstuffs, is it true that I think
0:13:34 > 0:13:36it's in It's All Good, one of your cookbooks,
0:13:36 > 0:13:38you talk about a horrible experience you had with french fries.
0:13:38 > 0:13:41Somebody told me that you had some sort of thing...
0:13:41 > 0:13:46I have never had a horrible experience with french fries.
0:13:46 > 0:13:50I thought you were going to say you had never had a french fry!
0:13:50 > 0:13:52French fries are my life.
0:13:52 > 0:13:55For somebody who is known for the sort of coffee free,
0:13:55 > 0:13:57alcohol free, dairy free, chicken and eggs should not be
0:13:57 > 0:14:00in some people's diets and all of that, do you ever kick
0:14:00 > 0:14:06back and have a burger?
0:14:06 > 0:14:09So, this is where I think things get conflated that belong
0:14:09 > 0:14:10in separate buckets.
0:14:10 > 0:14:13When I wrote It's All Good, it was because there
0:14:13 > 0:14:15were so many people, especially children of friends,
0:14:15 > 0:14:17who were dealing with gluten allergies, egg allergies,
0:14:17 > 0:14:19we had this unbelievable epidemic really of allergens,
0:14:19 > 0:14:21and children especially responding very, very badly.
0:14:21 > 0:14:24So I had a friend who said, I don't know what to feed my kid.
0:14:24 > 0:14:26I don't want to give them brown rice.
0:14:26 > 0:14:29There must be good food that is healthier and cleaner,
0:14:29 > 0:14:31and that was really the impetus for that book.
0:14:31 > 0:14:34I don't eat that way, but people tend to think that I just
0:14:35 > 0:14:40eat seaweed and a bit of air.
0:14:40 > 0:14:44They do!
0:14:44 > 0:14:46They worry about you, and they also worry,
0:14:46 > 0:14:50where's the fun in Gwynedd Paltrow's life?
0:14:50 > 0:14:53Where is the moment she can kick back with friends and say,
0:14:53 > 0:14:54do you know what?
0:14:54 > 0:14:55I really, really fancy a burger.
0:14:55 > 0:14:57But I do that all the time.
0:14:57 > 0:15:01I am all about balance and living life in a way that is enjoyable.
0:15:01 > 0:15:03I love food, I love to eat, I love to cook.
0:15:03 > 0:15:07And I think that there is a tendency to generalise, especially
0:15:07 > 0:15:11if somebody is introducing a new concept, and we are asking
0:15:11 > 0:15:16the question, and people don't know what it is
0:15:16 > 0:15:18or they are uncomfortable, they push back, they generalise.
0:15:18 > 0:15:22And that is OK.
0:15:22 > 0:15:26I completely accept that this is my path, and this is what I'm
0:15:26 > 0:15:28here to do, and I'm here to ask these questions,
0:15:28 > 0:15:31and sometimes piss people off.
0:15:31 > 0:15:34Talking of that, there was this extraordinary moment in 2013
0:15:34 > 0:15:37when at the very same time you were voted one magazine's
0:15:37 > 0:15:40most hated celebrity, while at the very same time
0:15:40 > 0:15:44you are People magazine's most beautiful woman in the world.
0:15:44 > 0:15:47What was going on in your head when all that happened?
0:15:47 > 0:15:50Well, I mean, first of all I was like, I am
0:15:50 > 0:15:52the most hated celebrity?
0:15:52 > 0:15:53More than Chris Brown?
0:15:53 > 0:15:55What did I do?
0:15:55 > 0:16:02APPLAUSE
0:16:03 > 0:16:06I see where you are coming from, but maybe you just make
0:16:06 > 0:16:09people feel bad sometimes.
0:16:09 > 0:16:14Yes, and I think that is obviously never was my intention,
0:16:14 > 0:16:18and it was never my intention, but all I can do is be my authentic
0:16:18 > 0:16:21self, and if you know me, then you know who I am,
0:16:21 > 0:16:27and that I have fun and eat and am so appreciative for my life.
0:16:27 > 0:16:32But I think that there are things about me that make people draw
0:16:32 > 0:16:37conclusions that can sometimes, you know, for example
0:16:37 > 0:16:41there is a perception that I grew up very wealthy,
0:16:41 > 0:16:46and that I was raised with a silver spoon in my mouth.
0:16:46 > 0:16:50A sort of Hollywood princess idea?
0:16:50 > 0:16:53Right.
0:16:53 > 0:16:56And that inspires a lot of resentment, but the interesting
0:16:56 > 0:16:59thing is, my parents did well, and I was able to go
0:16:59 > 0:17:03to a fantastic school, and we grew up in New York City,
0:17:03 > 0:17:07but the minute I left my college to try to pursue acting,
0:17:07 > 0:17:14my father was really supportive, but he said, you know,
0:17:14 > 0:17:18you are completely on your own, so he never gave me anything.
0:17:18 > 0:17:20I never had any supplementation, he never helped me with my rent,
0:17:20 > 0:17:22I never had a trust fund.
0:17:22 > 0:17:25So the idea that I am spoiled or that I didn't work
0:17:25 > 0:17:28for what I have is just not accurate, but I can see how somebody
0:17:28 > 0:17:34might have that perception.
0:17:34 > 0:17:37And something that I know you have spent a lot of time
0:17:37 > 0:17:39on is social activism.
0:17:39 > 0:17:42You worked with food bank organisations in New York,
0:17:42 > 0:17:45the Robin Hood foundation as well.
0:17:45 > 0:17:49I just wonder, with that sort of focus you have an anti-poverty
0:17:49 > 0:17:52campaigning, whether again it just sort of feels weird with your
0:17:52 > 0:17:58day job running Goop.
0:17:58 > 0:18:03Like how you reconcile the two things?
0:18:03 > 0:18:06It is interesting, we are working on a piece about this right now,
0:18:06 > 0:18:09because I think that everybody has different aspects of their life,
0:18:09 > 0:18:12and you can want to help people, children who are disenfranchised
0:18:12 > 0:18:15and don't have a voice and can't stick up for themselves,
0:18:15 > 0:18:26and you can also want to eat a nice dinner and enjoy the people that
0:18:26 > 0:18:29And I think that despite the perception, we are not some...
0:18:29 > 0:18:33Our website is not only...
0:18:33 > 0:18:37You would be surprised.
0:18:37 > 0:18:43Our customers, it is aspirational, but it is not a luxury site.
0:18:43 > 0:18:49There are websites that sell far more expensive things and tout
0:18:49 > 0:18:54a much more unattainable lifestyle than we do.
0:18:54 > 0:18:58Before we end, just on that question of branding your lifestyle,
0:18:58 > 0:19:00it does raise issues about privacy in a way,
0:19:00 > 0:19:06and opening up your life to public scrutiny, and an Goop,
0:19:06 > 0:19:09I fact I believe on Goop you first announced that you wouldn't
0:19:09 > 0:19:12Chris Martin were parting.
0:19:12 > 0:19:14Right.
0:19:14 > 0:19:16And that was where the "conscious uncoupling" phrase became
0:19:16 > 0:19:20so well-known.
0:19:20 > 0:19:23Did you worry about the degree to which you were inviting scrutiny,
0:19:23 > 0:19:27or did you feel that was a way of controlling it, by putting it out
0:19:27 > 0:19:29on your own website?
0:19:29 > 0:19:33I felt it was a way of controlling it, and it was such a difficult time
0:19:33 > 0:19:41in our lives, and I think we really felt like if we were doing it
0:19:41 > 0:19:44ourselves on my platform, that it was a way to frame
0:19:44 > 0:19:46it exactly how we wanted to frame it.
0:19:46 > 0:19:49We didn't know that the conscious uncoupling phrase was going
0:19:49 > 0:19:52to inspire so much conversation.
0:19:52 > 0:19:58What do you think about the way it has been interpreted?
0:19:58 > 0:20:00Well, it is funny, because at the inception, everyone
0:20:00 > 0:20:02was like, what the hell is this?
0:20:02 > 0:20:06These people are crazy!
0:20:06 > 0:20:11That is true!
0:20:11 > 0:20:15But I think that over time, I think now what I hear is thank
0:20:15 > 0:20:18you so much for showing me another way, that you can remain a family
0:20:18 > 0:20:21even though you are not a couple, and make it a less traumatic
0:20:21 > 0:20:22experience for the children.
0:20:22 > 0:20:25I think ultimately it has had a very positive impact.
0:20:25 > 0:20:26I didn't come up with the phrase.
0:20:26 > 0:20:28It wasn't my idea.
0:20:28 > 0:20:30It was a philosophy that we were following.
0:20:30 > 0:20:34But, you know, I'm very proud of it.
0:20:34 > 0:20:37I'm very proud of us for the way that we,
0:20:37 > 0:20:44as anybody who has been divorced knows, you have to put aside quite
0:20:44 > 0:20:47a lot in order to maintain that commitment to stay a family
0:20:47 > 0:20:49for the sake of the children and the practicalities
0:20:49 > 0:20:51of what that means.
0:20:51 > 0:20:56Sometimes it is quite tough on a personal level.
0:20:56 > 0:20:59But it is a commitment that I made every day to my children that
0:20:59 > 0:21:02I adore their father, and that we are in a family,
0:21:02 > 0:21:05even though we are not in a romantic relationship,
0:21:05 > 0:21:07so ultimately I am very proud of that.
0:21:07 > 0:21:10APPLAUSE
0:21:11 > 0:21:14You know, we talked a lot about the merchandise
0:21:14 > 0:21:16and the commercial aspect of what you do.
0:21:16 > 0:21:19I used to live in the States, and there was a phrase that
0:21:19 > 0:21:21always made me laugh, but a teachable moment.
0:21:21 > 0:21:23Do you think there is something that others can draw
0:21:23 > 0:21:27from your experience?
0:21:27 > 0:21:31Absolutely, much the way I draw knowledge from other people's
0:21:31 > 0:21:36experience that have gone before me and traversed life in their own way,
0:21:36 > 0:21:39and I think if you are trying to ask questions and be thoughtful
0:21:39 > 0:21:41and apply what you are learning as you are going,
0:21:41 > 0:21:47and expanding yourself, I think it resonates with people,
0:21:47 > 0:21:55and I think on Goop, what we do most of what we do great
0:21:55 > 0:21:58is content, and the content it is what is actually creating
0:21:58 > 0:22:01a context for the product. But we are very interested
0:22:01 > 0:22:04in exactly this.
0:22:04 > 0:22:10How do I get through life in the best possible way?
0:22:10 > 0:22:12And a final thought, which brings me back
0:22:12 > 0:22:13to the privacy point.
0:22:13 > 0:22:16You have chosen to find a very interesting path where you live
0:22:16 > 0:22:19in public to a certain extent through your own website
0:22:19 > 0:22:23and your own Internet activity, and yet, as you have just indicated,
0:22:23 > 0:22:26you want to shield your kids, you want to shield your own private
0:22:26 > 0:22:28life from the media glare.
0:22:28 > 0:22:32How difficult is that?
0:22:32 > 0:22:34Do you think you have got the balance right,
0:22:34 > 0:22:37or do you think you have maybe sometimes been to public?
0:22:37 > 0:22:38I don't know.
0:22:38 > 0:22:41These times are so new, with all the new forms of media,
0:22:41 > 0:22:45all the new social platforms, all the ways in which people
0:22:45 > 0:22:51are interacting and sharing information, and there is that
0:22:51 > 0:22:54aspect of it where you are supposed to open your life, and there
0:22:54 > 0:22:59is an aspect that you want to keep private, I think.
0:22:59 > 0:23:01It is trial and error.
0:23:01 > 0:23:02Can you have both?
0:23:02 > 0:23:04I think you can.
0:23:04 > 0:23:08You really can, or is that in essence asking to have your cake
0:23:08 > 0:23:09and eat it, too?
0:23:09 > 0:23:11No, not at all.
0:23:11 > 0:23:14I think that if you look at people who have created careers
0:23:14 > 0:23:16out of social media, and they are leveraging everything
0:23:16 > 0:23:20personal in order to have a career, that might be the case,
0:23:20 > 0:23:25but I think I have lived in the public eye since long
0:23:25 > 0:23:28before the Internet, since long before social media,
0:23:28 > 0:23:31it is something I have been navigating since I was 22
0:23:31 > 0:23:35years old, over 20 years.
0:23:35 > 0:23:38And so it is, as I say, trial and error, and there
0:23:38 > 0:23:41are things that you want to share, things that you should put
0:23:41 > 0:23:48into the world if you want to, and things that you should hold back
0:23:48 > 0:23:51if you don't, but I try to strike the right balance.
0:23:51 > 0:23:57But, you know, there is an aspect of social media that really can
0:23:57 > 0:24:00propel forward what you are trying to do in your business life,
0:24:00 > 0:24:07whether it is this TV show or a film or a business.
0:24:07 > 0:24:09We have to end there.
0:24:09 > 0:24:11Gwyneth Paltrow, thank you so much for coming on.
0:24:11 > 0:24:12Thank you.
0:24:12 > 0:24:15APPLAUSE
0:24:42 > 0:24:42Hello again.
0:24:42 > 0:24:43Good morning.
0:24:43 > 0:24:44No sign of a heat wave.