:00:00. > :00:15.In the blue corner, a formidable woman Prime Minister
:00:16. > :00:24.Leader of the Opposition seen by many on his own
:00:25. > :00:31.It is how things look today as they did in the mid-1980s,
:00:32. > :00:34.when Derek Hatton was the poster boy of Britain's far-left,
:00:35. > :00:36.confronting Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher over funding for his city
:00:37. > :00:38.of Liverpool, he gambled by threatening 30,000 council
:00:39. > :00:53.Now Jeremy Corbyn is leader, Derek Hatton wants to come back.
:00:54. > :01:13.If Labour leans further left, is it lost all over again?
:01:14. > :01:21.It is 30 years since you were thrown out of the Labour Party,
:01:22. > :01:27.why in the last year or so have you wanted to go back again?
:01:28. > :01:38.I think it all happened at the last election,
:01:39. > :01:40.where the day after, or it wasn't even the day,
:01:41. > :01:44.it was the morning after, I just looked at what happened
:01:45. > :01:49.and I knew that Miliband was on his way out.
:01:50. > :01:52.And I thought, if ever there was a time
:01:53. > :01:55.that there needs to be some sort of comment, now is the time.
:01:56. > :01:58.Whilst I was not arrogant enough to think that my opinion would make
:01:59. > :02:04.all that much difference, I wanted to make it.
:02:05. > :02:07.I applied about 6:00am or 7:00am in the morning when the results
:02:08. > :02:09.were coming through, and I realised what was happening.
:02:10. > :02:12.First of all, I got the usual standard letter saying welcome
:02:13. > :02:15.from the General Secretary and then I got the membership card
:02:16. > :02:20.And a couple of weeks later, it became public that I had
:02:21. > :02:23.done that, and then I got a letter saying, this has to go
:02:24. > :02:27.That is the ruling committee of the Labour Party?
:02:28. > :02:31.It is now 18 months later, apparently it has still not been
:02:32. > :02:35.Do you think anyone in the Labour Party wants you back?
:02:36. > :02:38.I have not asked them all, I am sure there are a number that do
:02:39. > :02:43.You were thrown out for being a member of Militant Tendency,
:02:44. > :02:45.a group that operated inside the Labour Party
:02:46. > :02:59.The Co-op party is seen as being complimentary to Labour's
:03:00. > :03:01.values, Militant Tendency was seen as being hostile.
:03:02. > :03:06.In many ways, we were not hostile to the values of the Labour Party.
:03:07. > :03:09.You have to remember that Militant Tendency at the time,
:03:10. > :03:18.The reality is that at the time, I suppose many people argued
:03:19. > :03:21.and we would argue, that the people involved in it were people who had
:03:22. > :03:25.been in the Labour Party a long time and that membership is more
:03:26. > :03:27.important regardless of whether we read a newspaper
:03:28. > :03:29.or we had meetings outside of the Labour Party.
:03:30. > :03:32.Peter Kilfoyle, who went on to be, one might call him
:03:33. > :03:35.the hammer of militants in Liverpool, said it was a separate
:03:36. > :03:38.party and they were a very large cuckoo in the nest and they have
:03:39. > :03:41.been compared, rather as Lenin told British Communists to join
:03:42. > :03:44.the Labour party in the 1920s, as a rope supports the hanged man,
:03:45. > :03:46.so militants and Labour in the early 1980s.
:03:47. > :03:49.I have used that expression many times only in other ways.
:03:50. > :03:52.Peter Kilfoyle, talking about entryism, I mean,
:03:53. > :03:54.he just came from Australia, no-one ever knew him
:03:55. > :03:59.part of the party at all, he appeared as the hatchet
:04:00. > :04:02.It could have been anyone, he got well rewarded for it.
:04:03. > :04:06.I do not know what the criticism is you have levied.
:04:07. > :04:08.The criticism is that this was an organisation that
:04:09. > :04:11.It had a revolutionary approach to socialism.
:04:12. > :04:15.As others have put it, Jane Kennedy, later a Labour MP,
:04:16. > :04:17.now Police and Crime Commissioner in Liverpool, told the local
:04:18. > :04:20.newspaper about three years ago that the Labour Party meetings
:04:21. > :04:23.were manipulated and dominated by this small group of people.
:04:24. > :04:24.They had a particular viewpoint.
:04:25. > :04:26.There was no discussion, they were not representative
:04:27. > :04:30.Talking abour this small group, I bumped into Malcolm Kennedy,
:04:31. > :04:34.her ex-husband, the other day, a councillor in Liverpool,
:04:35. > :04:42.I'm sure he won't mind me saying this.
:04:43. > :04:45.They're no longer together but he said to me that at the time,
:04:46. > :04:48.him and Jane and a small group of people opposed us.
:04:49. > :04:51.Credit to them, they always turned up and gave a different opinion,
:04:52. > :04:54.not like a lot of the other hangers on who jumped on afterwards.
:04:55. > :05:01.He reminded me of a time when he led a walk-out in my local constituency,
:05:02. > :05:06.The small group you're talking about actually was a big number
:05:07. > :05:08.and the vast majority within the Labour Party.
:05:09. > :05:10.These were not members of Militant Tendency,
:05:11. > :05:12.these were members of the Labour Party.
:05:13. > :05:15.There might have been a small number with there who happened to read
:05:16. > :05:17.the militant newspaper, or go to militant meetings
:05:18. > :05:26.But the vast majority were good, honest, hard-working Labour Party
:05:27. > :05:29.members who actually went along the street knocking on doors,
:05:30. > :05:31.putting leaflets through the doors and campaigning for the Labour Party
:05:32. > :05:36.And is that a parallel you see now, as a large number of people
:05:37. > :05:38.are attracted into the Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn,
:05:39. > :05:41.the leader elected only one year ago with 60% of the vote,
:05:42. > :05:44.and yet finding that he is now opposed by 80%
:05:45. > :05:47.of the party's MPs, and challenged again, lots of new people
:05:48. > :05:52.coming into the party, some people are suspicious.
:05:53. > :06:01.I think a lot of people are suspicious about what's
:06:02. > :06:02.happening, for all sorts of different reasons.
:06:03. > :06:05.I think the one really encouraging thing at the moment,
:06:06. > :06:08.is that you are starting to get a politicisation around the country
:06:09. > :06:10.where you're getting not just within the Labour Party
:06:11. > :06:13.but within pubs and discussions, I have just come away now
:06:14. > :06:16.from a discussion with someone who is not at all political
:06:17. > :06:18.but he started talking to me about what is happening
:06:19. > :06:21.He wasn't giving an opinion either way,
:06:22. > :06:26.Two years ago he would not have wanted a conversation,
:06:27. > :06:33.he would've talked about football, not politics.
:06:34. > :06:39.And it reminds me of the 1980s, when virtually every
:06:40. > :06:42.pub in Liverpool had a city treasurer, because there was always
:06:43. > :06:46.and figures and said, I found this and that
:06:47. > :06:52.and it was great that people wanted to get involved in that
:06:53. > :06:55.and they want to get involved on a national basis.
:06:56. > :06:57.First and foremost, Jeremy Corbyn and his allies have got
:06:58. > :06:59.politicisation not just within the Labour Party
:07:00. > :07:03.but within the country as a whole and that has to be a good thing.
:07:04. > :07:05.That is fine except the opinion polls suggest he cannot win.
:07:06. > :07:07.It is strange, every single Tory newspaper,
:07:08. > :07:10.the BBC and others who certainly have got no love for the left,
:07:11. > :07:12.suddenly are saying that it is unwinnable.
:07:13. > :07:15.The same ones are spending every moment of the time in attacking him,
:07:16. > :07:18.with the most vicious, vicious campaign that I have seen
:07:19. > :07:21.Let us be honest, if he was so unelectable
:07:22. > :07:25.and it was so unwinnable, then the Tory newspapers,
:07:26. > :07:28.the likes of the Mail and others, would be sitting back and saying,
:07:29. > :07:31.let him carry on, because this will guarantee the Tories
:07:32. > :07:39.The reality is that the reason why they are so opposed
:07:40. > :07:45.to him, and so vicious in their condemnation
:07:46. > :07:49.not only could he win, but he could win by a big majority.
:07:50. > :07:58.It is interesting that you say that, not only is his net approval rating
:07:59. > :08:01.just last week -28, only Donald Trump does worse than that
:08:02. > :08:05.at the moment, but Saqiq Khan, the Labour Mayor of London,
:08:06. > :08:07.arguably the most successful Labour politician at the moment,
:08:08. > :08:19.You can say all you like, the reality is that he actually won
:08:20. > :08:24.He would say he won despite Jeremy Corbyn's leadership.
:08:25. > :08:29.Just on your point about the media, let me touch on what he said
:08:30. > :08:31.in an article for the Observer on Sunday.
:08:32. > :08:34.You cannot just blame a hostile media and let Jeremy and his team
:08:35. > :08:38.I know from my own election up against a nasty and divisive Tory
:08:39. > :08:41.campaign that if we are strong and clear enough in our convictions,
:08:42. > :08:43.the message will get through to the public.
:08:44. > :08:46.He is basically saying that Jeremy Corbyn has failed to connect
:08:47. > :08:49.with the public, and that is why he should not be leader.
:08:50. > :08:52.No, I know he said that, and a lot of others have as well.
:08:53. > :08:54.Within the Parliamentary Labour Party there is a problem
:08:55. > :08:57.and there is a large number of Labour MPs who actually now
:08:58. > :09:00.are opposing Jeremy Corbyn, and that does give a problem.
:09:01. > :09:03.The reality is, you've got to think what those Labour MPs are all about.
:09:04. > :09:06.I would argue that the vast majority of members of Parliament,
:09:07. > :09:08.all sides, their first and foremost concern,
:09:09. > :09:11.yes, a lot of them are principled, a lot of them have good ideas,
:09:12. > :09:15.a lot of them believe in certain ideals, the reality is that first
:09:16. > :09:16.and foremost, they like their position.
:09:17. > :09:20.They love being MPs, they love the power,
:09:21. > :09:24.the authority, and they love the credibility,
:09:25. > :09:27.they love everything that goes with it.
:09:28. > :09:29.And more than anything they want to stay as members of
:09:30. > :09:32.All of a sudden, they start panicking and saying,
:09:33. > :09:34.if the press are saying that it is unwinnable,
:09:35. > :09:37.The polls have been saying it as well.
:09:38. > :09:40.The polls have been saying it only since the coup
:09:41. > :09:43.Prior to that, the opposite was happening.
:09:44. > :09:46.He actually got to a stage where he was virtually on line
:09:47. > :09:50.Look at any papers you like, you will find that is true.
:09:51. > :09:52.The reality is that that was the case then.
:09:53. > :09:54.Since the Parliamentary party have started their chicken coup,
:09:55. > :09:56.all of a sudden it is very different.
:09:57. > :09:59.And yes, the confusion in the minds of ordinary people up and down
:10:00. > :10:06.the country is as a result of Parliamentary Labour Party
:10:07. > :10:08.behaving like they have, in the most despicable, disgraceful way.
:10:09. > :10:12.There have been frequent claims that Labour were equal to or even ahead
:10:13. > :10:14.of the Tories before the Labour leadership troubles erupted,
:10:15. > :10:16.the so-called coup to which you refer.
:10:17. > :10:19.This is a disingenuous claim at best, and seems to rest
:10:20. > :10:25.At no point this year have the polls showed a consistent Labour lead.
:10:26. > :10:27.That is the UK Polling Report, which is regarded...
:10:28. > :10:29.Are they the ones that predicted the Tories would not
:10:30. > :10:33.Did they predict that Brexit was not going to win?
:10:34. > :10:35.They are the same polling people that said the same thing.
:10:36. > :10:38.The reality is that I think the polls have got
:10:39. > :10:51.You are a passionate pro-European, and you say that you wish Britain
:10:52. > :10:53.was an enthusiastic member of the European Union.
:10:54. > :10:55.I would not say I am a passionate supporter,
:10:56. > :10:58.I am a supporter and I did not want Brexit to happen.
:10:59. > :11:01.I think for all sorts of different reasons I would rather have stayed
:11:02. > :11:08.And I still think, by the way, that there is going to be major
:11:09. > :11:12.I think Theresa May was clever in the way she put three individuals
:11:13. > :11:15.who were so, so, so against Europe to actually run the campaign
:11:16. > :11:20.We're now going to be in a position where if they cannot do it,
:11:21. > :11:22.she will be like, hang on, I told you so.
:11:23. > :11:25.Do you think that Jeremy Corbyn could have done more to put
:11:26. > :11:31.I think he argued quite vociferously that the Labour Party was behind
:11:32. > :11:38.the campaign to actually stay in Europe.
:11:39. > :11:41.And I think that maybe he didn't argue it in the way that others
:11:42. > :11:44.would have wanted, but it did not mean
:11:45. > :11:49.He was very loyal to the Labour Party position,
:11:50. > :11:51.and no-one could suggest for one
:11:52. > :11:54.We had talked a bit about what is happening
:11:55. > :12:01.in the Labour Party now, the parallels with what was
:12:02. > :12:08.I think that the first big parallel is that you're coming off the back
:12:09. > :12:10.of a very right wing Tory government and Tory leadership.
:12:11. > :12:13.You saw under Thatcher and you saw it under the whole gang
:12:14. > :12:16.that was behind Brexit, and everything that goes with it.
:12:17. > :12:20.But you're also seeing people wanting something new.
:12:21. > :12:23.I think in the '80s, you have to remember
:12:24. > :12:25.that although it was only in Liverpool,
:12:26. > :12:33.after city after city, speaking at rallies.
:12:34. > :12:36.And those rallies have the same sort of numbers that
:12:37. > :12:43.There were 2,000 or 3,000 at these rallies.
:12:44. > :12:48.It was funny, that many of the Labour leaders who later
:12:49. > :12:50.on became very much against us after Kinnock's speech,
:12:51. > :12:54.a very large number of those leaders used to ring up and say can we speak
:12:55. > :12:56.on the platform with you, because they knew that
:12:57. > :12:59.if they'd had a rally they would not have filled
:13:00. > :13:02.a telephone box, and yet we were having rallies
:13:03. > :13:05.in their cities of two and 3,000 people and they wanted to be there.
:13:06. > :13:08.We will come back to Neil Kinnock who was then leader
:13:09. > :13:10.of the Labour Party when you were Deputy Leader
:13:11. > :13:15.Let me put to you what Tom Watson, who was elected Deputy Leader
:13:16. > :13:17.of the Labour Party at the same time as Jeremy Corbyn.
:13:18. > :13:21.He now says, there is a parallel with the 1980s.
:13:22. > :13:24.He said, entryism is happening again.
:13:25. > :13:26.What Militant was accused of doing back then.
:13:27. > :13:28.Old hands twisting young arms in this process.
:13:29. > :13:29.They're putting pressure where they can.
:13:30. > :13:32.That's how it operates, sooner or later it always ends
:13:33. > :13:42.When the deputy leadership came, and I thought he'd be a good person
:13:43. > :13:46.One of the big trade unions in Britain.
:13:47. > :13:48.Very strong with the General Secretary.
:13:49. > :13:52.Unfortunately, he has allowed himself to be used and abused
:13:53. > :14:03.What he's doing is not only making a fool of himself,
:14:04. > :14:06.but making a fool of the arguments as well.
:14:07. > :14:08.Because to throw up all these Trotskyist bits again,
:14:09. > :14:13.Hang on, which ones of the 2,000 or 3,000 at the rallies have hands
:14:14. > :14:17.You can't get, you can't make 2,000 or 3,000 people go to a rally
:14:18. > :14:27.Let me put to you the remarks of another leading
:14:28. > :14:29.figure in the Labour Party now, who back
:14:30. > :14:31.in the day, in the '80s, would
:14:32. > :14:33.have been regarded very much as on the left,
:14:34. > :14:35.perhaps not as far left as
:14:36. > :14:37.you were regarded, nonetheless certainly not hostile.
:14:38. > :14:41.By the way she was never on the left.
:14:42. > :14:43.Leader of the London borough of Islington.
:14:44. > :14:45.By the way, she was never on the left.
:14:46. > :14:47.Bricks being thrown through windows, people
:14:48. > :14:50.being called scum, this is not the new politics, this is the old
:14:51. > :14:54.I had people tearing up wood from the council chamber and
:14:55. > :14:57.I'm seeing today in 2016 the same as in the '80s.
:14:58. > :15:00.Margaret, for your information, was leader of Islington Council during
:15:01. > :15:04.There was never a time that I can remember, any way, where
:15:05. > :15:07.Margaret Hodge was in favour of the real
:15:08. > :15:08.campaign against Thatcher in
:15:09. > :15:14.She became very close to Tony Blair over the years.
:15:15. > :15:18.It doesn't surprise me at all the sort
:15:19. > :15:19.of things she's saying and the
:15:20. > :15:21.fact that she's jumping on that bandwagon.
:15:22. > :15:25.Rape threats, death threats, smashed cars and bricks through
:15:26. > :15:27.windows, this is acknowledged by all factions.
:15:28. > :15:34.45 other MPs writing to Jeremy Corbyn...
:15:35. > :15:37.A journalist like you, who actually, usually
:15:38. > :15:49.Has she produced one group of people?
:15:50. > :15:54.We were accused in the 80s of bullying.
:15:55. > :15:57.We were accused all the
:15:58. > :15:59.time that we were telling people what to do.
:16:00. > :16:01.We were gathering people, a committee.
:16:02. > :16:06.There was never one ounce of evidence.
:16:07. > :16:08.She and 45 other MPs who signed this letter are
:16:09. > :16:11.They're doing that because they want something
:16:12. > :16:15.You have got to remember that those MPs want to get re-elected the
:16:16. > :16:21.You've got to remember that one of the things that may come out of
:16:22. > :16:24.Jeremy Corbyn and by the way, I would support this, is reselection
:16:25. > :16:30.I think a member of Parliament, yes, they can claim that
:16:31. > :16:33.they were elected by the electorate of a constituency, but the reality
:16:34. > :16:36.is the only reason why they've been elected
:16:37. > :16:39.by the members of that constituency is because the members of the Labour
:16:40. > :16:44.Party put them forward as a Labour candidate.
:16:45. > :16:45.They don't get elected in
:16:46. > :16:50.Of course, Militant Tendency wouldn't have done that either?
:16:51. > :16:58.I was a member of the Labour Party then longer than I was
:16:59. > :17:04.You were Militant in the period up to being Deputy Leader of the
:17:05. > :17:11.You would say it didn't alter your view as a Labour man?
:17:12. > :17:14.You were Deputy Leader of Liverpool City Council,
:17:15. > :17:17.one of the most important councils in this country, representing one of
:17:18. > :17:19.our largest cities, a city that had suffered
:17:20. > :17:20.considerably because of the
:17:21. > :17:26.problems in the economy, big collapse in manufacturing jobs.
:17:27. > :17:31.You took over after council elections in
:17:32. > :17:34.May '83, did things like building new council houses, new leisure
:17:35. > :17:37.centres, investing in the infrastructure of the city,
:17:38. > :17:39.but you did it knowing you didn't have the
:17:40. > :17:49.We also campaigned to get more money.
:17:50. > :17:52.Don't forget we were the only council at the time that
:17:53. > :17:54.conducted a campaign against Thatcher and got ?30 million extra.
:17:55. > :17:57.We did in '83, '84 got more money out of the Government.
:17:58. > :18:02.You got that by talking to the Government.
:18:03. > :18:06.Patrick Jenkin was shown round, he recognised the problems
:18:07. > :18:12.The reason we got that money was because there were
:18:13. > :18:14.hundreds of thousands on the streets of Liverpool, and they thought,
:18:15. > :18:18.Patrick Jenkin would have never come to Liverpool.
:18:19. > :18:20.Margaret Thatcher would have never come to Liverpool if
:18:21. > :18:22.those demonstrations hadn't have happened.
:18:23. > :18:24.They didn't want a day out in Liverpool.
:18:25. > :18:28.They came up because they saw the threats that were there.
:18:29. > :18:32.And you made the argument and you won the case and you got the
:18:33. > :18:34.Then the following year, asked for more money and they
:18:35. > :18:38.Your response was to initially set a budget which was a
:18:39. > :18:40.deficit budget, which legally you weren't allowed to do.
:18:41. > :18:52.Anyone with a budget has different options.
:18:53. > :18:56.You sent out redundancy letters to thousands of council
:18:57. > :18:59.employees telling them that they faced
:19:00. > :19:00.the sack at the end of the
:19:01. > :19:02.year unless the Government intervened.
:19:03. > :19:05.Are you going to say what was in that
:19:06. > :19:11.What gets me is that you come up with the fact that, the
:19:12. > :19:13.statement, hang on, you sent out 30,000
:19:14. > :19:14.redundancy notices, which we
:19:15. > :19:19.What you failed to say, I've said this a thousand times, yet the
:19:20. > :19:22.press never actually choose to actually print it.
:19:23. > :19:25.With every single redundancy notice that was sent out,
:19:26. > :19:28.there was a letter signed by me and John
:19:29. > :19:30.Hammilton, the leader at the
:19:31. > :19:34.time, saying clearly, these will not be carried out.
:19:35. > :19:37.It was simply a tactic in order to set a legal
:19:38. > :19:41.budget and immediately after we set a legal budget, we could then carry
:19:42. > :19:44.However much we were sure the redundancies
:19:45. > :19:46.wouldn't be carried out, it's still a redundancy notice
:19:47. > :19:49.and there will be that panic, that what you told a
:19:50. > :19:53.journalist last year when you spoke to her.
:19:54. > :19:57.You accept people were going to be frightened.
:19:58. > :20:00.Every single trade union, every group of
:20:01. > :20:09.shop stewards had discussions with us,
:20:10. > :20:10.accepted the strategy, the
:20:11. > :20:14.She said that the trade unions wouldn't
:20:15. > :20:17.They distributed letters saying what was
:20:18. > :20:21.Every single trade union warned members what was going
:20:22. > :20:24.Then we saw this confrontation between you and the
:20:25. > :20:27.then leader of the Labour Party, Neil Kinnock, at the party
:20:28. > :20:34.I tell you what happens with impossible promises.
:20:35. > :20:39.You start with far-fetched resolutions.
:20:40. > :20:42.They're then pickled into a rigid dogma
:20:43. > :20:48.And you go through the years sticking to that, outdated,
:20:49. > :20:53.misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs.
:20:54. > :20:58.You end in the grotesque chaos of a Labour council, a Labour
:20:59. > :21:02.Council, hiring taxis to scuttle round the city, handing out
:21:03. > :21:05.redundancy notices to its own workers.
:21:06. > :21:20.Let's leave the audience to judge that one.
:21:21. > :21:24.The result was that you became practically a pariah in
:21:25. > :21:29.I mean, it was certainly true as a result of that
:21:30. > :21:37.That was the tragedy of that speech. who beforehand had supported us went
:21:38. > :21:40.Thatcher in her memoirs said her two greatest
:21:41. > :21:43.successes were changing the Tory Party and changing the Labour Party.
:21:44. > :21:48.That was the beginning of Thatcher's work when Kinnock said that.
:21:49. > :21:50.If he'd have at the time supported the
:21:51. > :21:52.miners, which he didn't, and supported Liverpool, which he
:21:53. > :21:55.didn't, not only didn't support, he went against, there would have
:21:56. > :22:06.To be honest, I think he was far more responsible for us
:22:07. > :22:10.losing in Liverpool, losing jobs, losing more houses,
:22:11. > :22:15.more leisure centres than Thatcher was.
:22:16. > :22:29.Let me bring you back up today. The mirror of London said that opposing
:22:30. > :22:32.Victoria policies is not enough. You need to knock the sharp edges of at
:22:33. > :22:36.best. When you win elections you make a difference because your
:22:37. > :22:41.wiring control. He says that that is the sort of thing he was talking
:22:42. > :22:47.about. A self-indulgence. A confrontation he knew you couldn't
:22:48. > :22:51.win, it ends up hurting people. We never lost an election. We never
:22:52. > :22:56.lost an election. Women won every single election. The House of Lords
:22:57. > :23:07.got rid of us. Can it can never won an election. -- Kinnock Neville won
:23:08. > :23:14.an election. In reality, the House of Lords got rid of us. Kinnock
:23:15. > :23:19.never won a single election. Kinnock referred to the people of this
:23:20. > :23:24.country and got battered. So his policies and his ideas did not get
:23:25. > :23:27.support. So with Jeremy Corbyn ignores the example and takes your
:23:28. > :23:35.example do you think he is more likely to win? Without question.
:23:36. > :23:39.Why? What has changed? Our position was never put nationally. People
:23:40. > :23:44.used to say that we won in Liverpool but we would never win a elsewhere.
:23:45. > :23:47.But we went around to other cities, cities like London and Glasgow and
:23:48. > :23:50.we got fabulous support. The reality is that the Labour leaders there
:23:51. > :23:54.were prepared to adopt the campaign that we did and when Kinnock came
:23:55. > :24:00.along they ran around, understandably, maybe, but they ran
:24:01. > :24:05.away. It sounds as if you may be itching to get back into politics.
:24:06. > :24:08.No chance. And if Jeremy Corbyn conducts a sort of election, I think
:24:09. > :24:34.he will win the election. Thank you very much for joining us.
:24:35. > :24:37.Tuesday may have been disappointingly cloudy and cool
:24:38. > :24:39.for much of Scotland and Northern Ireland,
:24:40. > :24:42.but with the sun out in England and Wales,