:00:00. > :00:00.from me. Stay with us here on BBC World News. Now on BBC News, it is
:00:00. > :00:07.time for HARDtalk. Brexit is not the only
:00:08. > :00:13.threat to the coherence The populist government
:00:14. > :00:28.of Victor Orban rejected the EU's agreed response to the external
:00:29. > :00:31.migration challenge, with the PM holding a referendum
:00:32. > :00:35.in a bid to assert Hungary's right Other EU member states have accused
:00:36. > :00:38.Hungary of threatening My guest today is Peter Szijjarto,
:00:39. > :00:44.the country's Foreign Minister. Peter Szijjarto,
:00:45. > :01:21.welcome to HARDtalk. Let's start by seeing if we can
:01:22. > :01:28.agree on a basic principle. Europe needs unity today more than ever
:01:29. > :01:32.before. Would you agree with that? Definitely I do. So why is Hungary
:01:33. > :01:39.exhibiting signs of a nation determined to destroy EU unity? I
:01:40. > :01:45.think you confuse us with someone else because we are the country who
:01:46. > :01:50.has been complying with EU regulations more than anyone else.
:01:51. > :01:56.Putting into consideration Dublin, Schengen and all the others, these
:01:57. > :02:00.rules have been violated by so many others and we were the only ones to
:02:01. > :02:04.comply with them even during the most complicated and difficult times
:02:05. > :02:10.of last year. So I could pose the question to someone else, too many
:02:11. > :02:14.others, whether these common regulations are still in power or
:02:15. > :02:19.not. Usually the answer is yes, they are. Then my question is, why do you
:02:20. > :02:24.bash a country which has been complying with these regulations?
:02:25. > :02:27.Well, your word is bash but my word might be questioned. Many European
:02:28. > :02:32.countries question your commitment to play by the collective rules of
:02:33. > :02:36.the club, when, for example, let's go into one specific, in early
:02:37. > :02:41.October your Prime Minister, your government, called a referendum
:02:42. > :02:45.seeking a mandate to place Hungary's laws when it comes to immigration
:02:46. > :02:52.policy above the agreed response of the European Union. Well, actually,
:02:53. > :02:56.migration is the most serious challenge since the European Union
:02:57. > :03:02.has been founded. I think we can agree on that. I come back to my
:03:03. > :03:04.first question, unity, when you face your most serious question, it has
:03:05. > :03:11.to be paramount importance. And here you go, demanding
:03:12. > :03:14.from your own people, Because we are the ones who comply
:03:15. > :03:20.with the EU rules and regulations. Once again, I would like to speak
:03:21. > :03:23.about the Schengen rules These two regulations are actually
:03:24. > :03:26.among the most important achievements and most important
:03:27. > :03:28.pieces of regulations My question is, do we want
:03:29. > :03:32.to kill the Schengen zone? Better, do we want to violate
:03:33. > :03:39.the Schengen regulations? For those who aren't familiar
:03:40. > :03:41.with all of the jargon, Schengen is the Visa free travel
:03:42. > :03:45.within most of the European Union. Schengen says that there are two
:03:46. > :03:47.pillars of consensus. Number one, you can move freely
:03:48. > :03:50.within the Schengen zone. Number two, you have to protect
:03:51. > :03:52.yourself externally. And, when we joined the Schengen
:03:53. > :03:55.zone, we signed the agreement saying we are located at the border
:03:56. > :03:58.of the Schengen zone. So it is our obligation to make
:03:59. > :04:02.sure our borders would only be crossed through the official
:04:03. > :04:03.border crossing stations That's what the Schengen
:04:04. > :04:09.regulations says. When this whole migration crisis
:04:10. > :04:12.broke out, we posed a question in Brussels, what kind of solution
:04:13. > :04:15.can you propose to us to protect the Schengen border,
:04:16. > :04:18.more than 500 kilometres of flat land without any kind
:04:19. > :04:20.of natural obstacles. My question is, why do you bash us
:04:21. > :04:29.because of building a fence. Not being the first country,
:04:30. > :04:31.not being the first You have chosen to stake this
:04:32. > :04:35.conversation on the ground I'm going to put it somewhere else,
:04:36. > :04:40.if I may, because there are various different strands to what appears
:04:41. > :04:42.to me, to be your basic challenge to the collective
:04:43. > :04:45.will of the European Union. One of your basic challenges is,
:04:46. > :04:48.the EU decided collectively that everybody would take
:04:49. > :04:50.part in burden sharing, to take their share of the very
:04:51. > :04:53.large number of asylum seekers that have entered the
:04:54. > :04:58.European Union territory. 1289, or something asylum seekers,
:04:59. > :05:03.to be taken in by Hungary as part of Now, you have just steadfastly
:05:04. > :05:06.and fundamentally refuse Actually, we are principally and
:05:07. > :05:16.fundamentally against this policy. Yet, you are the man who told me
:05:17. > :05:22.at the beginning of this interview, that unity was the most important
:05:23. > :05:25.principle of all? Who are you to say that,
:05:26. > :05:30.we are talking about the collective Unity around wise decisions and not
:05:31. > :05:36.around decisions which will lead us The decision, which was made
:05:37. > :05:40.by the Minister of interior, saying there must be a relocation
:05:41. > :05:42.mechanism which ends up It is totally violating the common
:05:43. > :05:46.European regulations. Because that decision,
:05:47. > :05:53.which ended up in a mandatory quota system, is actually amending
:05:54. > :05:55.the Dublin Treaty. The Dublin Treaty cannot be amended
:05:56. > :05:58.by ministers of interior. The only way to amend or change
:05:59. > :06:01.treaty, to open them according to the treaties,
:06:02. > :06:03.according to the common regulations, to open them, have a debate
:06:04. > :06:06.about them then National parliaments are there to ratify and then
:06:07. > :06:14.close the treaty. That's the way, how you can change
:06:15. > :06:17.treaties and amend them. That decision was totally violating
:06:18. > :06:20.all common European regulations. That's why we turned
:06:21. > :06:23.to the European Court. Not only does, it was
:06:24. > :06:31.Cechoslovakia as well. There were altogether for countries
:06:32. > :06:34.voting against it and another one, Does it matter to you that
:06:35. > :06:39.the president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker,
:06:40. > :06:41.says that Hungary in its stand on this
:06:42. > :06:43.refusal to accept the relocation principle, is threatening the very
:06:44. > :06:46.future of the European Union? I think what threatens the future
:06:47. > :06:49.of the European Union is this migratory policy, which has been
:06:50. > :06:52.carried out by the commission and the other
:06:53. > :06:53.institutions in Brussels. Because it's totally
:06:54. > :06:55.against common sense. All this kind of relocation quotas
:06:56. > :06:58.are kind of encouragement for people and traffickers to come to Europe,
:06:59. > :07:02.to violate our borders and break regulations and attack our police
:07:03. > :07:05.and just crossed Hungary in order to get to Sweden, to
:07:06. > :07:09.Austria or to Germany. I think this whole debate should be
:07:10. > :07:12.put on a rational basis, Sorry, but if you put this
:07:13. > :07:17.on a rational basis, you have What international law says,
:07:18. > :07:21.right to a safe life is a fundamental human right,
:07:22. > :07:24.but it doesn't say it would be a fundamental human right to pick
:07:25. > :07:27.a country where you would like to live in and in order to get
:07:28. > :07:31.there you can cross borders whenever International law says people
:07:32. > :07:41.seeking asylum who are registered in a particular country,
:07:42. > :07:44.in essence have a right to have their hearing
:07:45. > :07:49.in that country. They must stay there
:07:50. > :07:52.until the decision is carried out. According to Sweden,
:07:53. > :07:55.backed by the government of Denmark, Finland, Iceland and Norway,
:07:56. > :07:57.you have broken the rules by refusing to take back people
:07:58. > :08:00.who registered in Hungary, but ended up in,
:08:01. > :08:02.for example, Sweden. This is an insult,
:08:03. > :08:04.because it's not true. The regulations say that illegal
:08:05. > :08:08.migrants must be sent back to the country where they entered
:08:09. > :08:15.the European Union. Now, these people who marched
:08:16. > :08:18.through Hungary last year, 400,000 of them, they didn't come
:08:19. > :08:21.by plane, they didn't come by plane. That would have been the only way
:08:22. > :08:25.they would have entered Hungary These people, these people,
:08:26. > :08:29.these 400,000 entered the territory of the European Union
:08:30. > :08:31.in another member state, or even crossed two or three member
:08:32. > :08:43.states before they got to Hungary. The common regulations says
:08:44. > :08:45.that these illegal migrants must be sent back to the first country
:08:46. > :08:48.where they entered the territory It's not me questioning
:08:49. > :08:56.the viability of your argument, The Swedish Foreign Minister,
:08:57. > :09:00.just the other day, reflected on your stand,
:09:01. > :09:02.that you've repeated here to me, He reflected 60 years ago in 1956,
:09:03. > :09:18.Sweden topped 8000 and dairy -- He reflected 60 years ago
:09:19. > :09:21.in 1956, Sweden took 8000 Hungarian refugees who went on to make
:09:22. > :09:24.Sweden a better place. And now he says, we have the same
:09:25. > :09:27.duty as a continent to respond in the right way to this
:09:28. > :09:30.migration challenge. And in his view, Hungary
:09:31. > :09:33.is a failing in its responsibility. In this case, it's another result,
:09:34. > :09:36.I have to tell you why. In 1956, Hungarian people,
:09:37. > :09:38.who have escaped from Hungary, There, they waited patiently,
:09:39. > :09:42.weeks, months or even years They didn't attack the police,
:09:43. > :09:46.they didn't block railway lines, they didn't occupy public areas,
:09:47. > :09:49.they waited there, respecting laws 400,000 people entered
:09:50. > :09:53.the territory of ours, breaking regulations,
:09:54. > :09:54.violating our border, attacking our police
:09:55. > :09:56.and just marched through. All these people broke European
:09:57. > :09:58.regulations by leaving You talk of these migrants,
:09:59. > :10:08.and let's not forget many of them are from Syria,
:10:09. > :10:11.many of them are escaping war, You talk of them as if they are all
:10:12. > :10:16.committing violent acts I have been checking the most recent
:10:17. > :10:20.human rights watch reports, the last one written just last month
:10:21. > :10:23.on the situation in Hungary. They talk about police brutality,
:10:24. > :10:26.beatings, use of pepper spray. They have pages and pages
:10:27. > :10:28.of documentation. This is the reality,
:10:29. > :10:30.your authorities, in a desperate bid to keep these people out
:10:31. > :10:34.of your territory... Have brutalised hundreds
:10:35. > :10:37.of migrants. I am afraid these people have
:10:38. > :10:42.never been to Hungary, or a part of them have
:10:43. > :10:44.never been there. Or, if they have been there,
:10:45. > :10:47.then they are lying. Very straightforward,
:10:48. > :10:51.they are lying. The UNHCR and Human Rights Watch,
:10:52. > :10:54.all these other groups are lying? Let me refer to one
:10:55. > :10:59.concrete example. Around that meeting of ours,
:11:00. > :11:06.I remember there was an attack on the Hungary and, Serbian border
:11:07. > :11:09.and Hungary sealed off And then the migrants realising
:11:10. > :11:13.they cannot violate the border, they cannot get food,
:11:14. > :11:15.they started to attack They threw stones, pieces
:11:16. > :11:21.of concrete for one and a half hours, injuring many
:11:22. > :11:22.Hungarian policemen. Then the Hungarian police reacted
:11:23. > :11:25.with water canons and you can And then what was the news
:11:26. > :11:29.in international media? Hungarian police brutally
:11:30. > :11:30.attack innocent refugees. No words, no words about these
:11:31. > :11:33.migrants attacking our police for one and a half hours,
:11:34. > :11:36.throwing stones and My question is, what would have
:11:37. > :11:42.happened here in London if a group of people started to throw stones
:11:43. > :11:45.and pieces of concrete Let's just park that for a moment
:11:46. > :11:52.and talk about one other aspect of your government's policy-making
:11:53. > :11:55.in recent times. Let's go back to your decision
:11:56. > :11:58.to hold a referendum, to get a popular mandate
:11:59. > :12:00.for the stand your Let's think about the campaign
:12:01. > :12:04.you run and about the rhetoric used He basically told your people that
:12:05. > :12:10.all of the immigrants What we said was the following,
:12:11. > :12:18.I myself, I know what I've said. What we said was the following,
:12:19. > :12:20.that mass migration, without any kind of regulation,
:12:21. > :12:23.control or check gives the opportunity for terrorist
:12:24. > :12:25.organisations to send their terrorists to the territory
:12:26. > :12:30.of the European Union. My question is, is it a rational
:12:31. > :12:33.debate to speak about whether this uncontrolled and unregulated
:12:34. > :12:35.migration, whether it has given a chance to terrorist organisations
:12:36. > :12:38.to send their terrorists or not? You say, listen,
:12:39. > :12:46.this is what he said. I made a note before entering this
:12:47. > :12:50.interview just a be sure I knew This is what he said
:12:51. > :12:53.during the campaign "Every single migrant poses a public
:12:54. > :12:59.security and terror threat." Yes, because if people come
:13:00. > :13:09.into the territory of your country without knowing who they are,
:13:10. > :13:12.that's a potential threat. To most people, I put it to you,
:13:13. > :13:20.to most people across Europe, that is language which suggests
:13:21. > :13:22.the population of your country should see every
:13:23. > :13:25.migrant as a terrorist. We don't have to influence our own
:13:26. > :13:28.people, because our own people, the Hungarian people,
:13:29. > :13:31.voted on the basis of experience. Because we were the country
:13:32. > :13:34.where 400,000 of these people marched through,
:13:35. > :13:35.violating our border. They occupied public
:13:36. > :13:37.areas, they block railway The Hungarian people,
:13:38. > :13:43.they shouldn't have been influence, they knew what happened last year
:13:44. > :13:47.and they don't want these kinds They clearly knew, not least
:13:48. > :13:54.because as one of your independent think tanks showed, 95% of broadcast
:13:55. > :13:57.media coverage of this referendum campaign was supporting
:13:58. > :13:59.the government's line. But nonetheless, you still,
:14:00. > :14:02.despite all that money and effort Hang on, despite all of the money
:14:03. > :14:10.and effort you put into the campaign, you couldn't get even
:14:11. > :14:13.close to crossing the 50% threshold. It was a humiliating failure for Mr
:14:14. > :14:17.Orban. There were 3.3 million people voting
:14:18. > :14:26.no, meaning backing the position In a country of 10 million that
:14:27. > :14:39.doesn't even get close You posed a question to me,
:14:40. > :14:43.I will try to answer. You know how many people
:14:44. > :14:46.voted on our accession You know how many people voted
:14:47. > :14:50.on our party to win 3.3 million people, it never
:14:51. > :14:55.happened in the history of our country since transition,
:14:56. > :14:58.that so many people would have voted in the same direction
:14:59. > :15:00.on a single issue. Just one other final point
:15:01. > :15:03.on the tone of the campaign and what it says
:15:04. > :15:05.about your government. You and others in the government
:15:06. > :15:08.talked about the no-go areas across Europe that was a direct
:15:09. > :15:11.result of uncontrolled immigration. You yourself said Brussels
:15:12. > :15:13.was a dangerous place. You described going
:15:14. > :15:18.jogging, at one point... I didn't say Brussels
:15:19. > :15:24.was a dangerous place. The campaign literature
:15:25. > :15:26.backing your campaign talked Don't say that I have said that
:15:27. > :15:34.Brussels is a dangerous place. What I said, there are dangerous
:15:35. > :15:36.places in Brussels. And yes, I think we are in
:15:37. > :15:40.the studio of the BBC currently, this is a television that shot
:15:41. > :15:42.a deck you mentally, a 60 minute documentary about no-go
:15:43. > :15:49.areas in Great Britain. a 60 minute documentary about no-go
:15:50. > :15:53.areas in Great Britain. You are in London, your campaign
:15:54. > :15:57.literature said there had no-go Do you feel threatened
:15:58. > :16:08.here in London? Why do you try to say what I've
:16:09. > :16:13.said, what I didn't say? I never said there are no-go zones
:16:14. > :16:16.in the heart of London. I've lived here for a long time,
:16:17. > :16:22.I'm not aware of them, This is based on experience
:16:23. > :16:26.of people who have been living here, Look, we don't want to insult
:16:27. > :16:30.the British people, we don't want to insult London,
:16:31. > :16:33.we don't want to insult the United Kingdom because you are
:16:34. > :16:36.a close ally and friend. But this is a very hypocritical
:16:37. > :16:39.policy, which you should really get rid of in order to help Europe
:16:40. > :16:43.to get out of the very The hypocrisy you talk about,
:16:44. > :16:46.is it hypocrisy do you think for Hungary to refuse to take even
:16:47. > :16:50.1289 asylum seekers as part of a burden sharing programme
:16:51. > :16:52.across the European Union, and yet at the same time,
:16:53. > :16:55.sell residency permits to Hungary, and by extension to the Schengen
:16:56. > :16:58.area, for 300,000 euros as part Because thousands of people have
:16:59. > :17:04.taken advantage of that. OK, number one, these kind
:17:05. > :17:10.of programmes have been in place, not only in Hungary
:17:11. > :17:12.but many other EU states. Let's talk about Hungary,
:17:13. > :17:15.as you happen to be Sure, but this is a practice in
:17:16. > :17:18.Europe. Sure, but other European countries
:17:19. > :17:21.aren't refusing to take their share of the burden of immigrants,
:17:22. > :17:24.where as Hungary is. It has nothing to do with illegal
:17:25. > :17:28.migration, because we take part Because what other possible
:17:29. > :17:33.ways are there of being Number one, you take away the burden
:17:34. > :17:38.from the shoulders of the others. Number two, you don't bring burden
:17:39. > :17:41.to the shoulders of the others. We are the first and only country
:17:42. > :17:44.which could report to Germany, to Austria, to Sweden that
:17:45. > :17:48.through our territory there are no illegal migrants arriving
:17:49. > :17:50.to the territories of these countries, because we made our job,
:17:51. > :17:52.we protected ourselves... The figures show that more than 2000
:17:53. > :17:57.of these permits to reside and to travel through Schengen have
:17:58. > :18:00.been sold for bonds I'm not saying they are legal,
:18:01. > :18:05.I'm just saying they're migrants and your Prime Minister Mr Orban
:18:06. > :18:08.talks about the cultural challenge. He talks about you being a Christian
:18:09. > :18:11.country and he will not see your country diluted by those
:18:12. > :18:15.who do not bring the Christian You know who the people
:18:16. > :18:18.are that you've a soldier They are people from China,
:18:19. > :18:26.from Iran, from a host of other countries which are not
:18:27. > :18:28.Christian in any way. So what is Mr Orban doing selling
:18:29. > :18:31.those residency permits and refusing to take 1200 people who are seeking
:18:32. > :18:34.asylum because they come The problem is this whole migratory,
:18:35. > :18:39.or this whole obligatory quota system is not about 1200 people
:18:40. > :18:47.in our respect. Because first, there are tricks
:18:48. > :18:49.being played in Brussels regarding this obligatory quota
:18:50. > :18:52.system, because it was said there would be a system,
:18:53. > :18:54.a voluntary one. Then it was about 120,000,
:18:55. > :18:58.then it was about 160,000, then it was a financial penalty
:18:59. > :19:00.against those countries So our fear is actually, having
:19:01. > :19:05.looked at the European Commission's behaviour, this will be
:19:06. > :19:07.an unlimited obligatory quota with which we really find
:19:08. > :19:09.totally unacceptable. And we're not going
:19:10. > :19:12.to take part in it. Before we end, we must talk
:19:13. > :19:15.a little bit about Brexit. It is a challenge for everybody
:19:16. > :19:17.in Europe, including Hungary. Chancellor Merkel and Francois
:19:18. > :19:20.Hollande in France have made it very plain they believe Britain should
:19:21. > :19:24.pay a high price for leaving the European Union and that is,
:19:25. > :19:27.there will be, according to them, it seems no preferential,
:19:28. > :19:30.easily negotiated access to the European single market
:19:31. > :19:33.unless Britain signs up to the principle of free
:19:34. > :19:36.movement for the future. First of all I have to tell
:19:37. > :19:43.you we regret a lot, this decision. I mean the decision of the British
:19:44. > :19:46.people, but in the Because it is only the British
:19:47. > :19:51.people who have the right to make a decision about the future
:19:52. > :19:54.of Great Britain. We were part of the campaign issuing
:19:55. > :19:59.whole page advertising in the Daily Mail saying we would be
:20:00. > :20:03.very happy to stand together with the UK as proud members
:20:04. > :20:06.of the European Union. That clearly didn't work,
:20:07. > :20:09.so I want to know To come to your question,
:20:10. > :20:13.our position is the following, Number one, we want to
:20:14. > :20:16.have an agreement with the UK and the European Union which ensures
:20:17. > :20:20.eight as close economic trade and investment Corporation,
:20:21. > :20:21.as is possible. As free of obstacles
:20:22. > :20:23.as it is possible. Because the UK and Hungary have
:20:24. > :20:26.been very close allies regarding the economy,
:20:27. > :20:28.trade and investments. The daily from the UK
:20:29. > :20:33.Hungary Business Council, they're are 771 UK-based
:20:34. > :20:35.companies active in Hungary So for us, it is
:20:36. > :20:41.a significant issue. On the other hand, of course,
:20:42. > :20:44.we would like to protect the rights of those Hungarian citizens who have
:20:45. > :20:47.been employed in the UK. Let me stop you there
:20:48. > :20:50.just for a second. Let's cut to the chase,
:20:51. > :20:52.the Home Secretary here, Amber Rudd, has indicated it very
:20:53. > :20:55.likely low skilled workers from the rest of the European Union
:20:56. > :21:01.will struggle to gain access to the UK and to the British economy
:21:02. > :21:05.and to jobs here in the future. That is what the British
:21:06. > :21:07.government wants to do, How would Hungary respond,
:21:08. > :21:12.if that's the case in the UK, would Hungary then say,
:21:13. > :21:15.you can forget about preferential First of all, it's very important
:21:16. > :21:23.others to protect the rights of those people who have
:21:24. > :21:26.already been working here. On the other hand, we understand
:21:27. > :21:29.penalising Britain is not So when Francois Hollande talks
:21:30. > :21:34.about a heavy price, you won't use that language
:21:35. > :21:37.of Britain paying a heavy price? I won't use this language,
:21:38. > :21:38.definitely. But I'm not the president of France
:21:39. > :21:42.and France is a bigger and stronger country than us of course,
:21:43. > :21:45.so we understand there are different From our perspective,
:21:46. > :21:48.having a very tight and close relationship
:21:49. > :21:51.with the UK is essential. We think the UK's decision
:21:52. > :21:54.to leave causes actually, not only economic,
:21:55. > :21:56.but political problems I mean, if the second strongest
:21:57. > :22:03.country or second strongest economy of an integration leaves
:22:04. > :22:05.the given integration, it means there are some problems
:22:06. > :22:08.in that given integration, which should be reformed
:22:09. > :22:15.and challenge should be overcome. But politically speaking,
:22:16. > :22:18.why we think it is a problem you decided to leave
:22:19. > :22:21.the European Union, as the British citizens decided to do so,
:22:22. > :22:24.is that he played a very important role in the debates about the future
:22:25. > :22:27.of the European Union. And UK represented a very rational
:22:28. > :22:30.position in many issues. This rational voice will be missed
:22:31. > :22:35.from the debate about the future It's very interesting you make that
:22:36. > :22:39.point because it does seem to me we focused on what the British
:22:40. > :22:43.are going to do about Brexit, but what the Europeans want to do
:22:44. > :22:46.about Brexit will introduce real divisions inside the remaining
:22:47. > :22:48.members of the European Union? There will be within
:22:49. > :22:55.the European Union official about that, when we put together
:22:56. > :22:58.the mandate negotiation And a final point, which brings us
:22:59. > :23:02.back to Hungary, your government You know what the Luxembourg Foreign
:23:03. > :23:06.Minister said recently, when he took on board
:23:07. > :23:09.all of the differences you have, and you've expressed in this
:23:10. > :23:11.interview, between yourselves and the rest of the EU
:23:12. > :23:13.on migration policy. He said this, we cannot act set
:23:14. > :23:20.the basic values of the EU are being seriously breached
:23:21. > :23:22.and anyone who, like Hungary, builds fences against refugees
:23:23. > :23:25.from war, violates press freedom and judicial independence as well,
:23:26. > :23:27.should be excluded temporarily, I think this statement is an insult
:23:28. > :23:37.to Hungary and too much. I told John about that,
:23:38. > :23:40.I think this statement was made in order to make
:23:41. > :23:42.yourself more visible. I really do think bashing Hungary
:23:43. > :23:48.on freedom issues is totally We have always been freedom
:23:49. > :23:54.fighters, Hungary has made a lot in order to be free
:23:55. > :23:56.and in order to have democracy. We have a strong democracy and these
:23:57. > :24:00.kinds of allegations just seemed But if these allegations continue,
:24:01. > :24:04.can you imagine a day when Hungary Of course not, Hungary's place
:24:05. > :24:11.is within the European Union. Peter Szijjarto, thank
:24:12. > :24:13.you for being on HARDtalk. It's a fine prospect
:24:14. > :24:44.for many but for some, Friday morning could be one
:24:45. > :24:47.of the first really foggy mornings Particularly across parts of Wales,
:24:48. > :24:52.the Midlands and down