0:00:01 > 0:00:07It's just gone 4:30am, which means it's time for HARDtalk.
0:00:07 > 0:00:08Welcome to HARDtalk.
0:00:08 > 0:00:14I'm Stephen Sackur.
0:00:14 > 0:00:19Israel's Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu took great satisfaction
0:00:19 > 0:00:24from President Trump's decision to ignore longstanding international
0:00:24 > 0:00:26convention and recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital,
0:00:26 > 0:00:30but that diplomatic boost can't disguise Mr Netanyahu's
0:00:30 > 0:00:34vulnerability at home.
0:00:34 > 0:00:37He's the target of a long-running police anti-corruption investigation
0:00:37 > 0:00:41and may soon face charges.
0:00:41 > 0:00:46An interesting moment, then, for my guest today, cabinet minister
0:00:46 > 0:00:49Naftali Bennett, to declare that he wants to be Israel's next Prime
0:00:49 > 0:00:51Minister.
0:00:51 > 0:01:02Is a changing of the guard in the offing?
0:01:15 > 0:01:24Naftali Bennett, welcome to HARDtalk.
0:01:25 > 0:01:32It is great to be here.Let's start with politics and personal ambition.
0:01:32 > 0:01:36It was a very interesting moment for you to decide to reveal to the
0:01:36 > 0:01:41Israeli public that you want to be Israel's next Prime Minister. It was
0:01:41 > 0:01:48hardly helpful to Mr Netanyahu, was it?Well, actually what I said was
0:01:48 > 0:01:53only after the Netanyahu era. I support the Prime Minister
0:01:53 > 0:01:56Netanyahu's government, I am part of his government. I think he is doing
0:01:56 > 0:02:01a good job. And I don't think that we need to hasten his departure from
0:02:01 > 0:02:07the Israeli leadership. I think when things are looking good, we need to
0:02:07 > 0:02:12keep it that way. But what I did say is that after the era Netanyahu,
0:02:12 > 0:02:16yes, I tend to become Prime Minister.That is a very polite and
0:02:16 > 0:02:20tactful answer, but let's be real about politics. Mr Netanyahu is in a
0:02:20 > 0:02:26mess right now. He has just had his seventh interview with antifraud
0:02:26 > 0:02:32investigators under caution. He may well be facing charges on two
0:02:32 > 0:02:37different matters of alleged scandal in the next few weeks. Your timing
0:02:37 > 0:02:41was quite deliberate, wasn't it, you, it seems, believe the Netanyahu
0:02:41 > 0:02:45era as you put it may well be coming to an end pretty soon.No, I don't
0:02:45 > 0:02:54answer. I know Mr Netanyahu very well, for over 12 years now. He has
0:02:54 > 0:02:59got strengths, he has got weaknesses, but he is not corrupt.
0:02:59 > 0:03:03Pique is profoundly about Israel, works very hard for Israel and why
0:03:03 > 0:03:08we have disagreements, I think the Prime Minister is doing a good job
0:03:08 > 0:03:12-- He cares. He cares about Israel and I am here to support him.It is
0:03:12 > 0:03:15not supportive, though, is it, announcing you want to be Israel's
0:03:15 > 0:03:18next Prime Minister when you know tens of thousands of Israelis are
0:03:18 > 0:03:23taking to the streets every Saturday night in Tel Aviv demanding that he
0:03:23 > 0:03:27go, you are simply adding two SM is that an end is coming quite soon for
0:03:27 > 0:03:33Mr Netanyahu.-- adding to the sense. No, I don't answer. Tens of
0:03:33 > 0:03:38thousands is a bit inflated. I think the overwhelming majority of those
0:03:38 > 0:03:41demonstrators are from the left and radical left side of the political
0:03:41 > 0:03:45map. It is legitimate. We are a free nation. You can demonstrate. But I
0:03:45 > 0:03:49don't think it is really about corruption. I think it is about
0:03:49 > 0:03:53politics and they want to replace a good, strong, right-wing government
0:03:53 > 0:03:57with a left-wing government, which again is legitimate but it is not
0:03:57 > 0:04:01about corruption. I don't buy that. Hang on, unless you are saying the
0:04:01 > 0:04:05Israeli police and in particular the crack antifraud division are somehow
0:04:05 > 0:04:09political, then that statement just doesn't hold water, because we know
0:04:09 > 0:04:14the Prime Minister is suspected of, by this department, fraud, breach of
0:04:14 > 0:04:20trust and accepting bribes.Yes, but we are only a phase of
0:04:20 > 0:04:25investigation, and we know that about 80% of investigations end up
0:04:25 > 0:04:29without any charges being pressed and certainly without conviction, so
0:04:29 > 0:04:35we are long, long away from any sort of thing like that. I think would be
0:04:35 > 0:04:38wrong to accuse the Prime Minister of charges that have not even been
0:04:38 > 0:04:44sent to him. We are only at the investigation stage, it is a very
0:04:44 > 0:04:47early stage, and I hope for the state of Israel and for Prime
0:04:47 > 0:04:50Minister Netanyahu for that matter that it ends up as nothing.Well,
0:04:50 > 0:04:54that is your hope. Let me quote a recent Channel ten news report based
0:04:54 > 0:04:57on leaks from inside the investigation saying that police are
0:04:57 > 0:05:02expected to sum up their case in two weeks and to recommend that
0:05:02 > 0:05:08Netanyahu be indicted. That is in both cases. Now, if he is indicted,
0:05:08 > 0:05:15do you believe he has to quit?Well, Israel is a country with a rule of
0:05:15 > 0:05:20law, and we don't base our decisions on police recommendation. There is a
0:05:20 > 0:05:26legal structure where the Department of Justice needs to press charges
0:05:26 > 0:05:30against Prime Minister Netanyahu and we are far away from that. I don't
0:05:30 > 0:05:34think that the fact that the police makes a recommendation should affect
0:05:34 > 0:05:40anyone. If indeed charges are pressed that is a point where we
0:05:40 > 0:05:43have to look at things and make decisions.What do you mean, you
0:05:43 > 0:05:47will have to look at things and make decisions? If Netanyahu's charge, it
0:05:47 > 0:05:54is not tenable for him to beat?-- for him to be p.m. ?We will have to
0:05:54 > 0:05:57make decisions based on information then, how serious are the
0:05:57 > 0:06:03allegations -- PM?What is the situation in Israel. You know, we
0:06:03 > 0:06:10are not in Sweden, we are in Israel, surrounded by Hezbollah, Daesh,
0:06:10 > 0:06:15Syria. We don't afford -- can't afford to have the luxury of
0:06:15 > 0:06:18replacing prime ministers unless it is truly necessary. And I think we
0:06:18 > 0:06:23are far away from that. I think all the people who are praying for that
0:06:23 > 0:06:26to happen should fold their prayer books and wait, because it's not
0:06:26 > 0:06:29happening any time soon.Yes, but your contention that these people
0:06:29 > 0:06:34who are beginning to doubt that Netanyahu can carry on, your content
0:06:34 > 0:06:37and they're all leftists and ideological opponents of Mr
0:06:37 > 0:06:43Netanyahu and his government, that is simply not true, is it? Let me
0:06:43 > 0:06:48quote you a right-winger Tony, commentator, publicist. He said the
0:06:48 > 0:06:52other day Netanyahu's behaviour is harming his camp. Every day now
0:06:52 > 0:06:57there is a bad smell coming from his office. It hurts the right.You
0:06:57 > 0:07:01know, we don't operate based on smells. We operate based on facts
0:07:01 > 0:07:06and a legal system. A good, solid legal system. Right now all we have
0:07:06 > 0:07:11is investigations only. The haste to replace Netanyahu I think comes not
0:07:11 > 0:07:16so much from the deep desire to clean up corruption. Unfortunately
0:07:16 > 0:07:20we have had corruption for the past 20 years. Every Prime Minister was
0:07:20 > 0:07:27investigated. We had Sharon and now Netanyahu a
0:07:27 > 0:07:29investigated. We had Sharon and now Netanyahu again. Most cases do not
0:07:29 > 0:07:33end up in court. I hope this will be the case. I think that ultimately
0:07:33 > 0:07:37this will be the case. Sorry to disappoint you.Well, you're not
0:07:37 > 0:07:41disappointing me. I wonder if you will be disappointed. The bottom
0:07:41 > 0:07:45line is this - you say you want to lead the right, presumably if you
0:07:45 > 0:07:49believe Netanyahu's era is coming to an end sometime soon, you want to
0:07:49 > 0:07:52take the right into the next election. You do not want the
0:07:52 > 0:07:59Israeli right to be tainted by sleaze. Right now I am going to
0:07:59 > 0:08:02quote are you somebody widely respected on the nationalist right,
0:08:02 > 0:08:07Cherlow, he went to the last big Tel Aviv street demonstration asking for
0:08:07 > 0:08:11Netanyahu to resign and he said that the right should not force people to
0:08:11 > 0:08:16choose between their political point of view and backing a government
0:08:16 > 0:08:21that is leading a campaign against investigators and the free press. In
0:08:21 > 0:08:26the end he says people will choose their ethics and integrity over
0:08:26 > 0:08:31their political affiliation. That could be a big problem for you.No,
0:08:31 > 0:08:37I agree that certainly this is unhelpful for the right wing in it
0:08:37 > 0:08:42Israel. I get that. Having said that, I would not take figleaf and
0:08:42 > 0:08:45consider that the whole right-wing is now moving. We are against
0:08:45 > 0:08:51corruption. I will not take even a small rebate at a hotel. You know, I
0:08:51 > 0:08:55don't want any presence of gifts from anyone and that has been the
0:08:55 > 0:08:58way I have operated.Yes but with respect a lot of politicians say
0:08:58 > 0:09:03that and then it turns out that frankly that integrity is not as
0:09:03 > 0:09:09unimpeachable as they claimed in the campaign.Perhaps. Perhaps I am
0:09:09 > 0:09:13fortunate to have sold two companies for a quarter of $1 billion before
0:09:13 > 0:09:17entering politics, so I don't need any money and no one can come and
0:09:17 > 0:09:21brightly because I am self-sufficient. Whatever. The
0:09:21 > 0:09:27bottom line is that I think we have a very good, solid government,
0:09:27 > 0:09:29growing economy, strengthening of our international relations. We do
0:09:29 > 0:09:35not want to give all this up and drag the country to unnecessary
0:09:35 > 0:09:38elections, and I think I stand strongly behind Prime Minister
0:09:38 > 0:09:42Netanyahu. We need this government to continue.All right, well, let's
0:09:42 > 0:09:46talk about diplomacy and regional politics, then, assuming Netanyahu
0:09:46 > 0:09:50does stay in power for a deal longer. Are you sure that the
0:09:50 > 0:09:55Israeli joy that we heard from her mouth of Mr Netanyahu and indeed
0:09:55 > 0:09:59from view yourself, the Jordie over Donald Trump's Jerusalem decision,
0:09:59 > 0:10:03are you sure it is not very premature and perhaps deeply
0:10:03 > 0:10:07misguided? -- joy. While you have won a victory you have got what he
0:10:07 > 0:10:13wanted from Mr Trump, it may well lead to very grave consequences both
0:10:13 > 0:10:17in terms of instability with your relationship with Palestine and much
0:10:17 > 0:10:22more regional instability as well. No, that's nonsense. Instability in
0:10:22 > 0:10:28the Middle East has nothing to do with Jerusalem or Israel for that
0:10:28 > 0:10:33matter. The instability, the source is internal Arab conflict between
0:10:33 > 0:10:39the Shi'ites, between Iran, ISIS, Israel if anything is a source of
0:10:39 > 0:10:42stability, a pillar of stability in this very to Montrose region and
0:10:42 > 0:10:49will remain so. So this was a very good move from the United States of
0:10:49 > 0:10:53America
0:10:53 > 0:10:55good move from the United States of America. I believe the world will
0:10:55 > 0:10:59follow suit if not in seven days, seven months or years. We have
0:10:59 > 0:11:02patients -- tumultuous. We have thousands of years of patients we
0:11:02 > 0:11:07can wait another year few more years.The decision made by Mr Trump
0:11:07 > 0:11:12merely emphasises just how strong the consensus internationally is
0:11:12 > 0:11:16against Jerusalem being recognised as Israel's capital right now --
0:11:16 > 0:11:20patience. I can quote to you, I don't have time to do it all, I can
0:11:20 > 0:11:23quote Pope Francis, the UN Secretary General, the leaders of Germany,
0:11:23 > 0:11:30France, the UK, the EU's Foreign Minister - all of these voices have
0:11:30 > 0:11:33been raised since Donald Trump's decision making it clear that they
0:11:33 > 0:11:41think he is wrong.Let me be clear, President Trump's recognition and
0:11:41 > 0:11:45the United States' recognition of Jerusalem as our capital, that is
0:11:45 > 0:11:50not the source of the Rosol being our capital. That is a given.
0:11:50 > 0:11:54Jerusalem is the Jewish capital much more I would say that London is for
0:11:54 > 0:12:00British or Paris is for the French -- Jerusalem is our capital. It has
0:12:00 > 0:12:04been this way long since Paris came into existence. We don't have to
0:12:04 > 0:12:09prove to anyone that Jerusalem is the capital.I understand this. I am
0:12:09 > 0:12:16not in the business of disputing that many of your knessets in
0:12:16 > 0:12:21Jerusalem, that is of course a fact. What is also a fact is that the
0:12:21 > 0:12:25international community, bar Donald Trump insofar as we take this
0:12:25 > 0:12:28decision seriously, the international community still sees
0:12:28 > 0:12:32the whole issue of Jerusalem's future and sovereignty to be
0:12:32 > 0:12:36discussed as part of a peace settlement between you and the
0:12:36 > 0:12:43Palestinians.I get it, but they're wrong. And no settlement, no peace
0:12:43 > 0:12:46settlement can be predicated on dividing up Jerusalem. They will
0:12:46 > 0:12:52never be peace based on a divided Jerusalem. In fact, the word
0:12:52 > 0:12:55Jerusalem in Hebrew means whole. You cannot divide Jerusalem and expect
0:12:55 > 0:13:00good things to happen. So Jerusalem will remain unified under Israeli
0:13:00 > 0:13:02sovereignty for Rover.That is a fact.
0:13:02 > 0:13:08CROSSTALK -- for ever. Jerusalem isn't
0:13:08 > 0:13:12unified. You said in saluting the Donald Trump decision be said for
0:13:12 > 0:13:15the past 25 years we have been failing peace, precisely because it
0:13:15 > 0:13:19has been predicated on putting fences in the heart of Jerusalem and
0:13:19 > 0:13:23now that's not going to happen and we can do peace. You are ignoring
0:13:23 > 0:13:28the reality that actually there is wall, a fence, call it what you
0:13:28 > 0:13:32will, that runs through Jerusalem built by your government because you
0:13:32 > 0:13:36know de facto Jerusalem is still divided and that a quarter of a
0:13:36 > 0:13:41million Arabs live in occupied east Jerusalem and that they still insist
0:13:41 > 0:13:47east Jerusalem will one day be there paternal capital.-- there. Well,
0:13:47 > 0:13:51you've got your facts wrong. I happen to work in Jerusalem every
0:13:51 > 0:13:57day and I drive through the Old City - there is no war between west and
0:13:57 > 0:14:00east Jerusalem. There is no west and east Jerusalem. There just is
0:14:00 > 0:14:05Jerusalem. I can get out of the studio and drive directly to the
0:14:05 > 0:14:08Western Wall or Temple Mount, there is no fence or anything.Well, hang
0:14:08 > 0:14:13on a minute, I did not couch my question in terms of the Old City.
0:14:13 > 0:14:17You know as well as I do there are points in Jerusalem where you can go
0:14:17 > 0:14:21up to a great big wall and on one side is the Jewish residential area,
0:14:21 > 0:14:25on the other side is the Arab residential area and if you don't
0:14:25 > 0:14:29call it a wall you can call it a fence, whatever you like, but
0:14:29 > 0:14:31Jerusalem still has a divide.
0:14:35 > 0:14:44That is the perimeter of Jerusalem, but that is not the point. It is the
0:14:44 > 0:14:47Temple Mount. If we get to an agreement and get the international
0:14:47 > 0:14:51consensus that it longs to Israel, even without that consensus it
0:14:51 > 0:14:57belongs to Israel. The big debate in the past was precisely regarding the
0:14:57 > 0:15:07holy base. I am happy we put that harassed. -- to wrest.You can look
0:15:07 > 0:15:13at it that way, the 250,000 all more refuse to agree with what you think.
0:15:13 > 0:15:18It is interesting to me that you want to go much further, it seems,
0:15:18 > 0:15:21according to the greater Jerusalem legislation that you and others are
0:15:21 > 0:15:27pushing right now, it seems you want to transfer approximately 120,000
0:15:27 > 0:15:32Palestinians who are currently regarded as legal residents of East
0:15:32 > 0:15:35Jerusalem, you want to push them outside of the city by redefining
0:15:35 > 0:15:40Jerusalem's boundaries. Do you think that will be remarkably acceptable
0:15:40 > 0:15:46to the international community?We are talking about zoning, I am not
0:15:46 > 0:15:51sure what you are talking about. We are talking about municipal zoning.
0:15:51 > 0:15:58It is a question of what you define as Jerusalem.As the municipal
0:15:58 > 0:16:03boundaries, what we are saying that in a sense is that Jerusalem is
0:16:03 > 0:16:06Jerusalem and the outskirts are suburbs of Jerusalem and they should
0:16:06 > 0:16:10get better service but that is open to debate, I won't say that I am
0:16:10 > 0:16:13fanatic about that particular bills. We will learn it and make decisions
0:16:13 > 0:16:20based on it.So you are backing off that idea, are yous currently those
0:16:20 > 0:16:26who have East Jerusalem residency and will be taken to suburbs outside
0:16:26 > 0:16:30of Jerusalem, this is a funnily important matter.Actually, for them
0:16:30 > 0:16:33it would be a huge benefit because finally they would get reasonable
0:16:33 > 0:16:39and good services, better than they get today. It is a matter of
0:16:39 > 0:16:43Minister Paul zoning, a pretty boring topic if you want to talk
0:16:43 > 0:16:49about it I am willing to go on and on and explain the benefits. We are
0:16:49 > 0:16:52still learning at a government level and will make the right and
0:16:52 > 0:16:57responsible decision here.Going back to Donald Trump and your
0:16:57 > 0:17:00pleasure at his decision, whether you are worried that the knock on
0:17:00 > 0:17:05the is that it will drive a wedge between you and for example, Saudi
0:17:05 > 0:17:12Arabia and some of the more quote unquote Sunni nations in the Arab
0:17:12 > 0:17:16world, to you which you have been preaching out, suggesting that could
0:17:16 > 0:17:23be a de facto Alliance against Iran. But a habit Saudis amongst others
0:17:23 > 0:17:28saying that this decision is absolutely unacceptable and it is
0:17:28 > 0:17:35now at the front and centre of their regional policy.Not at all, it is
0:17:35 > 0:17:39lipservice and they have to say that. Really, the Palestinian issue
0:17:39 > 0:17:44is a fake issue, just like the notion of a Palestinian state is a
0:17:44 > 0:17:48fake State. It is not a massive issue in the international writ
0:17:48 > 0:17:53discourse, what everybody wants to Karabakh is how to block and check
0:17:53 > 0:18:01Iran from growing into Shi'ite empire from Tehran to the Middle
0:18:01 > 0:18:06East. Nobody is talking about the Palestinians at set for studios in
0:18:06 > 0:18:11London. It is really not a mainstream issue.Luckily this
0:18:11 > 0:18:15broadcast will be seen by Arabs all over the Middle East and the wider
0:18:15 > 0:18:21was an community, so when the Saudis said after Trump's decision,
0:18:21 > 0:18:25"Trump's move constitutes a flagrant provocation for Muslims all over the
0:18:25 > 0:18:32world, "You are saying it is fake, don't need it, it is just a charade.
0:18:32 > 0:18:38Is that what you are saying?If they care so much, Jordan occupied
0:18:38 > 0:18:44Jerusalem for 90 years, why didn't he give it to the Palestinians?You
0:18:44 > 0:18:48expect me to provide answers? The answers are coming from you and your
0:18:48 > 0:18:52comment.If they care so much about the Palestinians then I would have
0:18:52 > 0:18:55expected the Arabs to give it to their brethren, in fact nobody in
0:18:55 > 0:18:58the Arab world accepted the notion of a Palestinian nation. They
0:18:58 > 0:19:09wouldn't grant them a state. We have given them Gaza, they turned it into
0:19:09 > 0:19:13Afghanistan. They have an autonomy, they govern themselves and that is
0:19:13 > 0:19:17the way it will remain for the foreseeable future.Rather than ask
0:19:17 > 0:19:21me questions, it seems you need to face questions from the Israeli
0:19:21 > 0:19:25public. You are telling them you want to be there next Minister but
0:19:25 > 0:19:29if you are also telling the Israeli public, as indeed Israel's military
0:19:29 > 0:19:34chiefs appear to be telling them lately with an interview in a Saudi
0:19:34 > 0:19:39newspaper, in which he was reaching out and saying there may even be
0:19:39 > 0:19:42intelligence sharing with Saudi Arabia to confront Iran, it seems
0:19:42 > 0:19:46you to answer the basic question, is revising the Jerusalem issue and
0:19:46 > 0:19:50telling the Saudis that they are simply fake and conducting a
0:19:50 > 0:19:53charade, is that going to help you build an alliance with Saudi Arabia
0:19:53 > 0:20:03over here and? -- Iran.What helps us build alliances is their fear
0:20:03 > 0:20:10from Iran taking them over. That is the big fear and monster in the room
0:20:10 > 0:20:13and everybody knows that Israel is the player, is the strongest player
0:20:13 > 0:20:19in the region, that they need Israel to stop Iran from its expansion. I
0:20:19 > 0:20:23am not talking about Saudi Arabia, I am talking about everyone. The whole
0:20:23 > 0:20:27West knows it, it knows something else that we are the ones blocking
0:20:27 > 0:20:31radical Islam from flowing into Europe. It is because of us that
0:20:31 > 0:20:38rivers of terror are not flowing into Europe put a line between Iran
0:20:38 > 0:20:42and radical islam and Europe, you will see Israel blocking that
0:20:42 > 0:20:46because we are the forefront a case terror. If we were not hear you
0:20:46 > 0:20:51would have rivers of terror flooding France and London and all around. I
0:20:51 > 0:20:56would expect that Europe would back us in our battle against terror.I
0:20:56 > 0:21:00wonder whether you might be misreading Europe because I see one
0:21:00 > 0:21:04of your ministerial colleagues, the intelligence and Esther said the
0:21:04 > 0:21:10other day that Israel is prepared to bomb London on to the Stone Age. --
0:21:10 > 0:21:14Levin on.
0:21:14 > 0:21:17-- Lebanon.
0:21:17 > 0:21:22Do you think that sort of language makes you friends in Europe?I
0:21:22 > 0:21:26assume what he was referring to is that if whether non- shoots
0:21:26 > 0:21:34thousands of rockets, clearly we will retaliate. -- Lebanon. Being
0:21:34 > 0:21:40nice doesn't get you to set the, we were nice 75 years ago but we were
0:21:40 > 0:21:44butchered. We will not go down that path again. We need to be strong, we
0:21:44 > 0:21:48are a vibrant democracy and whether Europe likes us or not, that is
0:21:48 > 0:21:52their business. We are not going to be the conscience cleansing entity
0:21:52 > 0:21:57for Europe. We have got eight country to run and we need to be
0:21:57 > 0:22:02stronger and we will remain strong. As a senior member in the
0:22:02 > 0:22:06government, a member of Netanyahu's security cabinet, a man who wants to
0:22:06 > 0:22:10do next Prime Minister, you are suggesting to me that you, as a
0:22:10 > 0:22:18leading voice would be that it would be sensible for Israel to consider
0:22:18 > 0:22:27bombing Lebanon to the Stone Age as what you see to be the Hezbollah
0:22:27 > 0:22:34threat.Precisely what you did in Dresden in Germany. If Lebanon
0:22:34 > 0:22:42shoots tens of thousands of missiles on my mother 's home or away I live,
0:22:42 > 0:22:45definitely we will retaliate. I think anyone would common sense
0:22:45 > 0:22:49would do that and we do it it strong. Hopefully we won't reach
0:22:49 > 0:22:55that because Lebanon realises it wouldn't be worth their while. We
0:22:55 > 0:23:00are not looking for on a Mac conflict, we are happy as things the
0:23:00 > 0:23:06way they are. We are not owing to initiate any conflict.Is said not
0:23:06 > 0:23:11so long ago, my approach is to hold Iran itself more and more
0:23:11 > 0:23:15accountable for its actions. So what are we to expect in the coming
0:23:15 > 0:23:19weeks, months? Are we to expect a direct military confrontation
0:23:19 > 0:23:26between Israel and Iran?No, that is not necessary. What I am saying is
0:23:26 > 0:23:32that we have a big bully in the region called Iran. It has sent its
0:23:32 > 0:23:38tentacles all around us, in Lebanon through Hezbollah and in Syria
0:23:38 > 0:23:45through its proxies. He is willing to kill others to fight Israel. He
0:23:45 > 0:23:55is willing to shed load of Lebanese and Syrians and Gazans, anybody but
0:23:55 > 0:24:00Iranians are. We have to hold them responsible for this ongoing proxy
0:24:00 > 0:24:09war and we will.We are out of time, I thank you for joining the. Ashman
0:24:09 > 0:24:11joining me.Thank you very much.
0:24:11 > 0:24:12-- joining me.