0:00:00 > 0:00:05have the right to make such a decision.
0:00:05 > 0:00:19It is time for HARDtalk.
0:00:34 > 0:00:42Welcome to my look back at the best of HARDtalk, 2017. So many
0:00:42 > 0:00:45personalities, so much passion. And more than a little anger.There is a
0:00:45 > 0:00:50lot of pain in America, and Donald Trump addressed that. He said I will
0:00:50 > 0:00:55be a different type of Republican. I hear your pain. The only trouble is
0:00:55 > 0:00:59he lied. Blue eye at the work inside the White House, and I will tell
0:00:59 > 0:01:04you, there is no crisis, we are creating the results expected of us
0:01:04 > 0:01:09and which got the president elected supreme he can build as many walls
0:01:09 > 0:01:15as he wants. What he will never ever achieved, is Mexico paying for the
0:01:15 > 0:01:23wall.We do not want to have Islam claiming power in our country.
0:01:23 > 0:01:28Preaching against our values, our culture!
0:01:41 > 0:01:49The worst thing that could happen with North Korea was the escalation
0:01:49 > 0:01:52leading to sleep-walking interwar. It is the entitlement of too many
0:01:52 > 0:02:00men, and it is epidemic. When they are famous, it gets talked about.
0:02:00 > 0:02:07There is only one place to start in the look back at 2017, the United
0:02:07 > 0:02:12States. Donald Trump's election victory reflected a divided America.
0:02:12 > 0:02:19In his first year in office, those divisions were deepened.Bernie
0:02:19 > 0:02:24Sanders, welcome to HARDtalk. It is great to be with you.To you in any
0:02:24 > 0:02:31way regret what you did with Hillary Clinton? She could be in the White
0:02:31 > 0:02:37House.I do not accept that. I accept the fact our campaign brought
0:02:37 > 0:02:43millions and millions of people into the political process. Donald Trump
0:02:43 > 0:02:46did not need me to understand Hillary Clinton gave speeches before
0:02:46 > 0:02:50Wall Street. She did not need me to understand her record. There is a
0:02:50 > 0:02:56lot of pain in America. And Donald Trump addressed that an. He said I
0:02:56 > 0:03:00will be a different type of Republican. I hear your pain. I will
0:03:00 > 0:03:02take on the establishment, the politics, economic establishment.
0:03:02 > 0:03:10The only problem is Donald Trump lied.Senator Lindsey Graham, John
0:03:10 > 0:03:14McCain, your good friend, says it is time for Republicans on Capitol Hill
0:03:14 > 0:03:19to stand up to Donald Trump. We are not his subordinates, John McCain
0:03:19 > 0:03:24says. So, are you now prepared to stand up to Donald Trump?
0:03:24 > 0:03:30Absolutely. We came out strongly against the first travel ban because
0:03:30 > 0:03:34I thought it was basically a ban on a person's religion.Sebastian Gorka
0:03:34 > 0:03:39in Washington, what is the atmosphere in the White House today?
0:03:39 > 0:03:44Fabulous. I literally just left The Oval Office where we swore in
0:03:44 > 0:03:49general Kelly as the new Chief of Staff or the president. It was like
0:03:49 > 0:03:53a family gathering. A great mood. Lots of breast. We are very excited
0:03:53 > 0:03:54about recent developments.
0:04:03 > 0:04:09Anthony Scaramucci, with his words to the New Yorker, he has surely
0:04:09 > 0:04:14thrown a bomb into the building behind you, the White House.Not at
0:04:14 > 0:04:20all. I know that is what colleagues on the hill on the left and in the
0:04:20 > 0:04:24chattering classes of the leftist media would want people to believe.
0:04:24 > 0:04:29But it is not at all like that. We are excited, the agenda to make
0:04:29 > 0:04:34America great again is working. We have strengthened the team. We have
0:04:34 > 0:04:38people who can communicate to the base that elected him as president.
0:04:38 > 0:04:43Sebastian Gorka left the White House just a month later. One of the most
0:04:43 > 0:04:46extraordinary features of the first months of the Donald Trump
0:04:46 > 0:04:50presidency has been the deepening sense of a war between the White
0:04:50 > 0:04:57House and the so-called mainstream media. On top of the enemy list of
0:04:57 > 0:05:03the president, the New York Times, the grand old lady of American
0:05:03 > 0:05:09newspapers, which Donald Trump portrays as a purveyor of lies.This
0:05:09 > 0:05:15is a president, umm, who does not like the press. No president ever
0:05:15 > 0:05:22like the pressie gets. He likes it less. This is a man who made his
0:05:22 > 0:05:27name in the industry by manipulating the tabloids. He becomes president
0:05:27 > 0:05:31and I think he was expecting the same thing. Fox News gave it to him.
0:05:31 > 0:05:38But we will not.You, I think it is fair to say, for a long time, as a
0:05:38 > 0:05:41paper, did not appear to take Donald Trump that seriously. Would you at
0:05:41 > 0:05:46least accept that?I guess the way I would slip it, it is not that we did
0:05:46 > 0:05:49not take him seriously, we did not take the Donald Trump phenomenon
0:05:49 > 0:05:53seriously.Out of touch would be the phrase.I will accept that. There
0:05:53 > 0:06:00was anger in the country. Anger at elites. We were seen as elites. I do
0:06:00 > 0:06:04not think we had our finger on the pulse of the anger. We wrote about
0:06:04 > 0:06:09the anger in the country, but we did not understand the scope of it and
0:06:09 > 0:06:12how much people want to change.None of the usual diplomatic rules
0:06:12 > 0:06:15applied to the Donald Trump presidency. Some harsh words came
0:06:15 > 0:06:23from south of the border.Excuse me, it starts with the wall. He can
0:06:23 > 0:06:27build as many walls as he wants. He can enclose that leading nation
0:06:27 > 0:06:34behind more walls because of fear and because of his crazy ideas, but
0:06:34 > 0:06:40what he will never ever change is Mexico paying for the wall. That is
0:06:40 > 0:06:47a different thing. That has to do with sovereignty, that has to do
0:06:47 > 0:06:51with dignity, that has to do with pride. We are not paying for that
0:06:51 > 0:06:56stupid wall that he wants to build. Build that if you want with US
0:06:56 > 0:07:03taxpayers' money.Latin America had its own big headache this year.
0:07:03 > 0:07:13Venezuela plunged into an economic crisis which saw shops run out of
0:07:13 > 0:07:19food and medicine. Nicolas Maduro faced a wave of protesting. For the
0:07:19 > 0:07:22last few years you have been a diplomat at the UN representing
0:07:22 > 0:07:27Venezuela and the Venezuela government. A month ago you decided
0:07:27 > 0:07:31to jump ship. Why is that?It is impossible to defend what cannot be
0:07:31 > 0:07:35defended. You can clearly see the violation of human rights and the
0:07:35 > 0:07:38crimes against humanity that have been committed in the past four
0:07:38 > 0:07:47months. It is impossible to defend quote unquote socialist utopia, it
0:07:47 > 0:07:51is a dystopia.A journey to Venezuela undercover. Journalists
0:07:51 > 0:08:01were barred as the opposition to do the streets. The mother of the
0:08:01 > 0:08:05country's most famous political prisoner took me to hear the voice
0:08:05 > 0:08:07of resistance.
0:08:20 > 0:08:26Look at that.A Jeep has come out of the present. They want to talk to
0:08:26 > 0:08:33us. This was the moment our filming in Venezuela came to an abrupt end.
0:08:33 > 0:08:36As the military police approached us from the prison, we attempted to
0:08:36 > 0:08:41leave. We managed to conceal the camera in our car but our cover was
0:08:41 > 0:08:49blown. European politics in 2017 featured concern about immigration,
0:08:49 > 0:08:54the rise of antiestablishment populist politics, and efforts by
0:08:54 > 0:08:58mainstream politicians to reinvigorate the centre ground. And,
0:08:58 > 0:09:04of course, there was Brexit as well. One of the most memorable interviews
0:09:04 > 0:09:11of my year came from Nicholas Frank, whose father was Hitler's lawyer,
0:09:11 > 0:09:23and the Nazi's top official in Parliament.It hurts to admit we
0:09:23 > 0:09:27killed the lives of innocent people in a system which was really a tough
0:09:27 > 0:09:34system. And to be against the system was to have a very brave character
0:09:34 > 0:09:44to do it. But this hurts. You can endure it, and I still love Germany,
0:09:44 > 0:09:50I love being a world champion in football, for instance. Really, I am
0:09:50 > 0:09:54a nationalist, yes? As you can see, especially refugees, everything
0:09:54 > 0:10:04changed because it was as if we were Jews again. The swamp is coming.You
0:10:04 > 0:10:10feel that? You feel so insecure about your Germany today?Yes. Don't
0:10:10 > 0:10:17trust us.We do not want to have Islam claiming political power in
0:10:17 > 0:10:22our country. We are very much in favour of religious freedom, I said
0:10:22 > 0:10:26that already. And a mosque is where Muslim people are practising their
0:10:26 > 0:10:31beliefs. That is OK. What we know from our Secret Services is we
0:10:31 > 0:10:35basically, in every mosque have problems, because they are preaching
0:10:35 > 0:10:40very often in a language which we do not understand, erratic. They are
0:10:40 > 0:10:44preaching against our values, our Constitution, our culture. --
0:10:44 > 0:10:51Arabic.Let me explain, we have radical and political Islam in
0:10:51 > 0:11:00Europe, jihadists. Secondly, we have a trap by Putin, an autocrat in the
0:11:00 > 0:11:04Kremlin who tries to divide Europe. And now we have an American
0:11:04 > 0:11:11president who is seeing the European unity as a pillar for foreign
0:11:11 > 0:11:20policy. He is saying openly he hopes the EU disintegrates. I think we
0:11:20 > 0:11:24are, for the moment, in an existential moment for the EU.There
0:11:24 > 0:11:34is a clear idea for Brexit. Theresa May will say that in her speech and
0:11:34 > 0:11:39her Florence speech. There are bits I am not enthusiastic about, but it
0:11:39 > 0:11:44is a clear manifesto. She has been generous in the office she has made
0:11:44 > 0:11:49to the EU. The government she leads is stronger than many, not all,
0:11:49 > 0:11:55Continental governments.You can take a decision one day and change
0:11:55 > 0:12:02your mind another day. It happens. It is OK to open doors and say
0:12:02 > 0:12:07perhaps, if you are interested, one day, we would be happy to have you
0:12:07 > 0:12:12back.Throughout 2017, Europe cast uneasy glances to the east. Vladimir
0:12:12 > 0:12:17Putin continues to flex Russia's muscle in the international arena
0:12:17 > 0:12:23while maintaining an iron grip at home.Vladimir Putin just tries to
0:12:23 > 0:12:28distract the Russian people from real problems like inequality and
0:12:28 > 0:12:35poverty. We have 23 million Russian citizens living below the line of
0:12:35 > 0:12:42poverty, and he is distracting them from this problem with is imperial
0:12:42 > 0:12:48delusions about making Russia great again and all that stuff.You know,
0:12:48 > 0:12:54unfortunately, we have a very weak position in our country. ? Could
0:12:54 > 0:12:58that be because they are not allowed access to state television, for
0:12:58 > 0:13:04example? It is not about that. You have modern media. Television is
0:13:04 > 0:13:09diminishing day by day.In Russia today, if you switch on the TV and
0:13:09 > 0:13:14you want to find opposition voices, you...The American president is
0:13:14 > 0:13:18winning elections using Twitter! In order to be a successful opposition,
0:13:18 > 0:13:26you have to be sustainable you have to have a problem of development of
0:13:26 > 0:13:30the country.You also have to be allowed a semblance of freedom. You
0:13:30 > 0:13:34have to be a person not at risk of being assassinated as Boris Nemtsov
0:13:34 > 0:13:39was 100 metres from the Kremlin. You have to be like election of any
0:13:39 > 0:13:46whose brother was caught up in trumped up charges. -- Alexi
0:13:46 > 0:13:54Navalny. You need space to make a movement in Russia.
0:13:54 > 0:14:00Why do you think they are not fair charges?Because the European human
0:14:00 > 0:14:03court of rights has said they were illegitimate.We don't agree with
0:14:03 > 0:14:11that.You don't agree with the European Court of Human Rights?I
0:14:11 > 0:14:16would rather trust are in court. Welcome to the HARDtalk Studios.
0:14:16 > 0:14:22Great to see you. We are going to put you in that seat over their...
0:14:22 > 0:14:26One Russian intent on challenging Putin and the election next March
0:14:26 > 0:14:33came into the HARDtalk studio, boasting views, not experience.I
0:14:33 > 0:14:39hope he will be wise enough if I will be registered to support me
0:14:39 > 0:14:42because unfortunately, this situation is very unfair, he won't
0:14:42 > 0:14:50be registered by unlawful lawsuits that are made against him, so if we
0:14:50 > 0:14:55are fighting for the same goal, and I think we are, with Alexei Navalny,
0:14:55 > 0:14:59I offered him this option, to be united a person who just opens the
0:14:59 > 0:15:03door. I am the one who will be registered and I hope together with
0:15:03 > 0:15:06him we can fight for the best future of Russia.
0:15:06 > 0:15:12In Africa, 2017 will be remembered as the year Robert Mugabe's rule
0:15:12 > 0:15:17finally came to an end in Zimbabwe is, tempting perhaps what is seen as
0:15:17 > 0:15:26a wider determination to push for more political accountability. The
0:15:26 > 0:15:30former president, welcome to HARDtalk The mindful of what the
0:15:30 > 0:15:34National Assembly said in November of last year when you lectured them
0:15:34 > 0:15:43about corruption...What did they say?The person who introduced
0:15:43 > 0:15:50corruption to this National Assembly is the previous president. He had
0:15:50 > 0:16:03corrupt practices from day one... Listen to me, when I took over the
0:16:03 > 0:16:12National Assembly said to me... The national security adviser said
0:16:12 > 0:16:17whenever I said in a bill to them I shall send it with money and I said
0:16:17 > 0:16:24no. If they don't pass it I will... The National Assembly says have you
0:16:24 > 0:16:28forgotten the sacks of money that were displayed on the floor of the
0:16:28 > 0:16:32House of Representatives? Where did it come from? Being used for bribes.
0:16:32 > 0:16:41You tell me! He says you and I'm quoting him directly. The
0:16:41 > 0:16:45grandfather of corruption in Nigeria.I never gave anybody dying.
0:16:45 > 0:16:53Never.Welcome to HARDtalk You made a decision to call for Jacob Zuma to
0:16:53 > 0:17:00go.Yes.Not just as party chief but as president of his country.Yes. My
0:17:00 > 0:17:05belief was that if you are in a leadership position you have the
0:17:05 > 0:17:13responsibility of guiding others. And whenever they get off the rails
0:17:13 > 0:17:19you have the ability to put them back and that same conscience should
0:17:19 > 0:17:28help you as well. You don't think Zuma has a conscience? Today it is
0:17:28 > 0:17:34failing.It has failed?I say the entire leadership is crooked, with a
0:17:34 > 0:17:41few exceptions.How could you just a few months ago describe Robert
0:17:41 > 0:17:47Mugabe as a father figure when you seem to think that the people close
0:17:47 > 0:17:51to him are responsible for the murder of your husband?He appeared
0:17:51 > 0:17:58to be a father figure to me. It was during this trouble that these
0:17:58 > 0:18:03people were giving leadership to everybody in trouble. According to
0:18:03 > 0:18:07custom, it is out of respect we give to our citizens.It calls into
0:18:07 > 0:18:15question your judgement.About Mugabe?About everything we have
0:18:15 > 0:18:19discussed. It is hard to understand how your political career makes any
0:18:19 > 0:18:24sense at all if you have morals, ethics and principles.The issue is
0:18:24 > 0:18:30you have never been to Zimbabwe. The issue is you have never seen what
0:18:30 > 0:18:33personally I have done for the country of Zimbabwe. The issue is
0:18:33 > 0:18:38you have never come to the interview for yourself those people to say,
0:18:38 > 0:18:47how do you take Joice as a person? Actually I have been to Zimbabwe, I
0:18:47 > 0:18:52have reported from Zimbabwe, so I have a little bit of an idea of how
0:18:52 > 0:18:55the politics of the bubbly works. You have been there but you have not
0:18:55 > 0:19:01asked about me. -- politics of Zimbabwe.
0:19:01 > 0:19:06The map of the Middle East changed in 2017. The self-styled caliphate
0:19:06 > 0:19:13established by the Islamists of Islamic State was erased in Iraq and
0:19:13 > 0:19:18much of Syria, so was this the end of the jihadists search?I don't
0:19:18 > 0:19:26think we are going to see the end of Isis at all. That will be with us
0:19:26 > 0:19:30for a long time, not in Iraq but it is spreading. Already it's reached
0:19:30 > 0:19:38Thailand and the Philippines. Definitely it has reached Europe.
0:19:38 > 0:19:43But in Iraq you are suggesting they will change tactics? They won't hold
0:19:43 > 0:19:47territories so much as conduct an underground insurgency?Holding
0:19:47 > 0:19:53territories is finished for them, but they will do insurgencies. And
0:19:53 > 0:20:01they will embark on insurgencies. They will resort back to terrorist
0:20:01 > 0:20:04activities of explosions and killings and assassinations. That's
0:20:04 > 0:20:12why I say we need to end the war. Thank you! I was on the first
0:20:12 > 0:20:16commercial flight to land in Benghazi, Libya.
0:20:23 > 0:20:28IS fighters had terrorised the city for a couple of years, before being
0:20:28 > 0:20:35vanquished by a new Libyan military force, led by this martial. A
0:20:35 > 0:20:42one-time Kadhafi loyalist with his own ambitions to rule the world.
0:20:42 > 0:20:49Troubling evidence emerged of abuses committed by him, including summary
0:20:49 > 0:20:55executions. You would have read the latest UN report suggesting that as
0:20:55 > 0:20:59the forces moved back to Benghazi there were as abuses of human
0:20:59 > 0:21:03rights. That's something that worries the international community.
0:21:03 > 0:21:08That worries us as well. These reports came out and he voiced his
0:21:08 > 0:21:11concern and he said that he would address them by investigating these
0:21:11 > 0:21:19people who had been committing these outlawed acts.Have you seen those
0:21:19 > 0:21:24videos and pictures, minister, of people being shot in the back of the
0:21:24 > 0:21:29head, bound, feet, executed? Unfortunately I have seen them.
0:21:29 > 0:21:34These acts should stop and I'm sure that the Army staff will look into
0:21:34 > 0:21:39that seriously because of the wrongdoing that we have witnessed.
0:21:39 > 0:21:44Aside from the conflicts and geopolitics, 2017 will be remembered
0:21:44 > 0:21:51for the power of women's voices, speaking out about misogyny, sexual
0:21:51 > 0:21:54abuse and gender inequality. Some of my most memorable interviews from
0:21:54 > 0:22:00this year reflected deeply personal experiences.It is the entitlement
0:22:00 > 0:22:05of too many men and it is epidemic and when they are famous and
0:22:05 > 0:22:09powerful like Harvey then it gets talked about, so it's really
0:22:09 > 0:22:14important that those women who have been brave enough to come out...
0:22:14 > 0:22:17Indeed, the logjam has broken. But there was silence when it's clear
0:22:17 > 0:22:23that people knew of these behaviours but did not talk in public about
0:22:23 > 0:22:29them for year upon year.Wire? The women he preyed on and praise on,
0:22:29 > 0:22:33young women, most of them were in their 20s when it happened.
0:22:33 > 0:22:37Vulnerable. Afraid that if they said anything or did anything it would
0:22:37 > 0:22:42ruin their career.Wiley you felt you couldn't speak out year ago when
0:22:42 > 0:22:51you heard a lot of this stuff? -- macro -- why.I was afraid. If it
0:22:51 > 0:22:57had happened to me I would now. It has happened to me, but long ago,
0:22:57 > 0:23:05and it's very hard to come forward when you've been a victim of sexual
0:23:05 > 0:23:17abuse, because you get dragged over the coals, you have to prove. We
0:23:17 > 0:23:18have to stop believing these women and stop protecting them.Ian
0:23:18 > 0:23:22McKellen, I wonder if you feel, looking back now, whether you have
0:23:22 > 0:23:28been a better, Fuller actor, younger, if you had been more public
0:23:28 > 0:23:37about your identity?I think probably. It is a certain truth of
0:23:37 > 0:23:41me and practically every person I know who has declared their
0:23:41 > 0:23:44sexuality that life becomes better in every possible way once you are
0:23:44 > 0:23:51honest. That clearly affects your work and my work, which is dealing
0:23:51 > 0:23:56with honesty and truth about human nature, it was likely to be more
0:23:56 > 0:24:01convincing. And that's what friends and colleagues said, that overnight
0:24:01 > 0:24:05my acting took on a depth which it hadn't had before, because I'm no
0:24:05 > 0:24:13longer disguising, I now revealing. Personal, political, powerful. We
0:24:13 > 0:24:17celebrated 20 years of HARDtalk this year. He's looking forward to more
0:24:17 > 0:24:24memorable encounters in 2018. Until then, have a very happy New Year.