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0:00:12 > 0:00:14Welcome to HARDTalk, I'm Stephen Sackur.
0:00:14 > 0:00:17The White House has never before seen a president like Donald
0:00:17 > 0:00:22Trump.
0:00:22 > 0:00:24He doesn't play by any conventional political rules.
0:00:24 > 0:00:26That much is obvious from his Twitter
0:00:26 > 0:00:28feed, from his hiring and firing of staff,
0:00:28 > 0:00:29and his apparent relish for
0:00:29 > 0:00:33outrage.
0:00:33 > 0:00:37My guest today is Anthony Scaramucci, the White House director
0:00:37 > 0:00:41of communications for all of 11 days before he was fired in a media
0:00:41 > 0:00:47firestorm.
0:00:47 > 0:00:49But The Mooch has stayed loyal to his former boss.
0:00:49 > 0:00:59Why?
0:01:16 > 0:01:20Anthony Scaramucci, welcome to HARDTalk.
0:01:20 > 0:01:22It's good to be back.
0:01:22 > 0:01:24Do you believe that Donald Trump is a
0:01:24 > 0:01:31president that the American people can be proud of?
0:01:31 > 0:01:33Yeah, I mean listen, we're in a polarised
0:01:33 > 0:01:35country, so certainly 40-60% of the people
0:01:35 > 0:01:36are not going to like the
0:01:36 > 0:01:38president at any given time, I think that's
0:01:38 > 0:01:39been true unfortunately for
0:01:39 > 0:01:49the last 30 years.
0:01:51 > 0:01:54But yeah, if you look at the diagnostics of what's
0:01:54 > 0:01:57going on in the last year in terms of the economic growth, the wage
0:01:57 > 0:01:59increases, the fact that he's tackling,
0:01:59 > 0:02:00or at least handling, are
0:02:00 > 0:02:03adverse areas, and trying to build strong alliances with our allies, I
0:02:03 > 0:02:04think yes.
0:02:04 > 0:02:05There's a lot to be proud of.
0:02:05 > 0:02:07We'll talk economy and foreign policy,
0:02:07 > 0:02:08but I want to begin with the
0:02:08 > 0:02:11style and tone of this presidency.
0:02:11 > 0:02:13Arguably the most important job in the world.
0:02:13 > 0:02:21Do you believe that he is handling it in the right way?
0:02:21 > 0:02:23You have to remember, go back to the campaign,
0:02:23 > 0:02:24the candidate then was in
0:02:24 > 0:02:26front of 17 other potential candidates and the constant
0:02:27 > 0:02:29remark...
0:02:29 > 0:02:32I don't want you to go back to the campaign, what
0:02:32 > 0:02:33happens...
0:02:33 > 0:02:36I think it's important.
0:02:36 > 0:02:38Stephen, he would have never been president...
0:02:38 > 0:02:40This whole notion of acting presidential, tweeting
0:02:40 > 0:02:42presidential versus not acting presidential, he would have never
0:02:42 > 0:02:51been president if he didn't take his combative style into that
0:02:51 > 0:02:53campaign, knock out the 17 competitors, knock out Secretary
0:02:53 > 0:02:59Clinton, then arrive in the White House.
0:02:59 > 0:03:00The man is the president.
0:03:00 > 0:03:02You call it combative style, but if we're
0:03:02 > 0:03:04going to be specific, we talk
0:03:04 > 0:03:06about the kind of behaviour which leads him in a meeting with
0:03:06 > 0:03:08congressional leaders on immigration to use
0:03:08 > 0:03:09a word that I'm not even
0:03:09 > 0:03:19going to use, that is so directly to so many people.
0:03:19 > 0:03:21So disgusting that it has caused furore around the
0:03:21 > 0:03:22world.
0:03:22 > 0:03:24Have you ever used that word before?
0:03:24 > 0:03:26I've never been president of the United States.
0:03:26 > 0:03:28OK, but have you used the word before?
0:03:28 > 0:03:29It's not a word I use, no.
0:03:29 > 0:03:32Even if I had what has that got to do with it?
0:03:32 > 0:03:34Here is the sanctimony with the whole thing
0:03:34 > 0:03:37for me, OK, I grew up in a neighbourhood, we used tough
0:03:37 > 0:03:39language in the neighbourhood I grew up in.
0:03:39 > 0:03:41He grew up in a neighbourhood, in Queens.
0:03:41 > 0:03:42He used tough language.
0:03:42 > 0:03:44He's used tough language his entire career.
0:03:44 > 0:03:46So now he's in a private setting, we're in
0:03:46 > 0:03:48this sort of crazy world now of social media
0:03:48 > 0:03:56and constant leaking.
0:03:56 > 0:03:59Everybody is now their own media expert and their cellphone is
0:03:59 > 0:04:00effectively a recording studio.
0:04:00 > 0:04:02And so now the president can't have a
0:04:02 > 0:04:03private conversation.
0:04:03 > 0:04:05He's speaking to the Australian Prime Minister,
0:04:05 > 0:04:08there's three people in the room, it gets leaked to the Washington Post.
0:04:08 > 0:04:10So you're telling me that President Obama
0:04:10 > 0:04:11never used a curse word?
0:04:11 > 0:04:12Rahm Emanuel never used a curse word.
0:04:13 > 0:04:14You're missing my point.
0:04:14 > 0:04:16It's not the fact that it's a curse word,
0:04:16 > 0:04:18it's the context in which it was used.
0:04:18 > 0:04:20He was basically saying, why do we have...
0:04:20 > 0:04:22I'm not missing the point, I'm addressing the sanctimony
0:04:22 > 0:04:23and the righteousness, OK.
0:04:23 > 0:04:26Because what we're doing now in our society
0:04:26 > 0:04:33is we're tabulating every syllable and tabulating what people say.
0:04:33 > 0:04:36We've now decided we want a portal into everybody's personal life and a
0:04:36 > 0:04:42portal into everybody's private discretionary conversations, and
0:04:42 > 0:04:45then when they say something that isn't discreet, we set our hairs
0:04:45 > 0:04:48on fire, we run around the world with our hair on fire.
0:04:48 > 0:04:49Let me stop you.
0:04:49 > 0:04:51You've got viewers that talk like that.
0:04:51 > 0:04:53Let me stop you for a second.
0:04:53 > 0:04:56What you seem to be saying is that a comment which in context
0:04:56 > 0:05:01was seen to be racist, not just by his Democratic opponents, but by
0:05:01 > 0:05:03Republicans, some of them in that room as well,
0:05:03 > 0:05:06by the United Nations, by the African nations he appeared
0:05:06 > 0:05:14to be referring to...
0:05:14 > 0:05:16Around the world the feeling was this was
0:05:16 > 0:05:17racism.
0:05:17 > 0:05:20And you're telling me you can't call up racism when it comes
0:05:20 > 0:05:27from the President of the United States.
0:05:27 > 0:05:28First of all it's not racism.
0:05:28 > 0:05:30I don't know if you said it all he didn't,
0:05:30 > 0:05:32because I wasn't in the
0:05:32 > 0:05:33room.
0:05:33 > 0:05:35There is mixed reports on whether or not he said it.
0:05:35 > 0:05:37Senator Cotton didn't hear it.
0:05:37 > 0:05:38Senator Durbin said that he heard it.
0:05:38 > 0:05:40Let's just litigate and stipulate that he
0:05:40 > 0:05:42said it for the point of this conversation.
0:05:42 > 0:05:44The point is, he's not a racist.
0:05:44 > 0:05:46I've known the guy for 25 years, people in our community here
0:05:46 > 0:05:48in New York know he's not a racist.
0:05:48 > 0:05:52Let's look at some of Mr Trump's words and actions in the course of
0:05:52 > 0:05:53his presidency.
0:05:53 > 0:05:54He characterised Mexican immigrants as rapists and
0:05:54 > 0:06:00criminals.
0:06:00 > 0:06:02He pardoned Joe Arpaio, the Arizona sheriff
0:06:02 > 0:06:03who was convicted in
0:06:03 > 0:06:05federal court of using, in an unacceptable fashion, racial
0:06:05 > 0:06:15profiling.
0:06:18 > 0:06:24He responded to a neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville by
0:06:24 > 0:06:26referring to some fine people.
0:06:26 > 0:06:27When there was violence afterwards he
0:06:27 > 0:06:29said there was blame on many sides.
0:06:29 > 0:06:31He retweeted anti-Muslim propaganda videos from an extreme far right
0:06:31 > 0:06:32British organisation.
0:06:32 > 0:06:33This is a pattern.
0:06:33 > 0:06:35Last week he signed declarations to widen the ceremony
0:06:35 > 0:06:38of the Martin Luther King birthday, which we are celebrating today in
0:06:38 > 0:06:39the United States.
0:06:39 > 0:06:41He's got guys like Pastor Darrell Scott and Pastor
0:06:41 > 0:06:43Mark Burns on his side.
0:06:43 > 0:06:45NFL football player Jim Brown said he would be
0:06:45 > 0:06:47the quarterback of urban renewal in the United States.
0:06:47 > 0:06:50He campaigned in the urban areas and said give me a
0:06:50 > 0:06:51chance.
0:06:51 > 0:06:54And so what has happened now, which no one wants to report
0:06:54 > 0:06:57about, is that African-American unemployment in the United States is
0:06:57 > 0:07:00at the 35 year low.
0:07:00 > 0:07:04When African-Americans like the former
0:07:04 > 0:07:08chief of the Republican National committee, Michael Steele, say,
0:07:08 > 0:07:15quote, Trump has captured the racist underbelly of American life and
0:07:15 > 0:07:16given voice to it...
0:07:16 > 0:07:17Does that not give you pause?
0:07:17 > 0:07:18Well again...
0:07:18 > 0:07:21There is a question on the table about his
0:07:21 > 0:07:22style.
0:07:22 > 0:07:24There is a 40-60% of the American people, Michael Steele
0:07:24 > 0:07:26could be one of them, doesn't like his style.
0:07:26 > 0:07:29Now we've got to talk about substance and you have to look
0:07:29 > 0:07:38at the substance, as you said, actions over words.
0:07:38 > 0:07:43The guy does not act as a racist. The policies that he has put in
0:07:43 > 0:07:48place are not racist. As I said, African American unemployment is at
0:07:48 > 0:07:53a 35 year low. He is doing something right in that community. So, listen.
0:07:53 > 0:07:57You do not like his style? Most people, the American media do not
0:07:57 > 0:08:02like his style and I understand that but the style he has got him to the
0:08:02 > 0:08:06American presidency. I could be in the Oval Office with him, I was only
0:08:06 > 0:08:12there 11 days but they were pretty eventful, for me. I can tell you
0:08:12 > 0:08:16that you could talk to him about his tweeting and he would have a joke
0:08:16 > 0:08:20about it, asking, did it sound presidential? I'm an upfront guy, I
0:08:20 > 0:08:25am a New Yorker like him and I said no, but he said, if it sounded
0:08:25 > 0:08:29presidential, I would not be the president.You have introduced the
0:08:29 > 0:08:36melodrama that came with your hiring and pretty rapid firing as
0:08:36 > 0:08:40communications...It was like a telephone of other!It had a soap
0:08:40 > 0:08:48opera feel to it. You can look back on it. It seems that what happened
0:08:48 > 0:08:52with you in body is everything that Michael Wolff talks about in the
0:08:52 > 0:08:58book, Fire and Fury. It is about a White House that was utterly
0:08:58 > 0:09:04dysfunctional, chaotic and failing in its basic tasks of governments.
0:09:04 > 0:09:09-- governance.It is they totally ridiculous book. I would say that
0:09:09 > 0:09:13there was truth in it but why would he let truth get in the wake of a
0:09:13 > 0:09:18good story?He would regard you as probably the most preposterous
0:09:18 > 0:09:22hiring in the West Wing?I know what he wrote about me, God bless him.
0:09:22 > 0:09:27The truth was I was in the West Wing and he wasn't. This guy is a
0:09:27 > 0:09:32terrible journalist. I give him credit that he wrote a salacious and
0:09:32 > 0:09:38fictionalised book that he characterised as nonfiction. And he
0:09:38 > 0:09:40got himself to the top of the bestseller list. He made himself
0:09:40 > 0:09:48some money. He hurt you, Stephen.He heard me?Yes, because you are a
0:09:48 > 0:09:52credible journalist and he is in your community.You went down in
0:09:52 > 0:09:56flames having come into the office and indeed, you told a BBC colleague
0:09:56 > 0:10:01of mine that you were sick of the backstabbing. He said, where I come
0:10:01 > 0:10:05from, I am a front stabber and implying that you would be straight,
0:10:05 > 0:10:12you would not indulge in the leaks, you saw those coming from previous
0:10:12 > 0:10:18and Steve Bannon, all of those around you -- Rhys previous. But you
0:10:18 > 0:10:23were saying the most extraordinary things about your colleagues in the
0:10:23 > 0:10:27White House...You think I wouldn't say those things to those people
0:10:27 > 0:10:35directly? Hold on a second. I said every single thing that I said to
0:10:35 > 0:10:43that reporter to Reince Priebus and the report directly. I went right
0:10:43 > 0:10:51after those guys.As you told the New Yorker, I cannot use the phrase
0:10:51 > 0:10:56but it involves a contortion and a sex act...I used the words but they
0:10:56 > 0:11:03were off the record...Exactly, you were backstabbing off the record.I
0:11:03 > 0:11:06was front stabbing, you think I didn't tell those guys to their face
0:11:06 > 0:11:12is how I felt?You were the director of communications, you were meant to
0:11:12 > 0:11:18be putting a new and efficient face on the White House.The president
0:11:18 > 0:11:23hired me to help him to remove several of the biggest the cup throw
0:11:23 > 0:11:30inside of the administration. Let's go back to that time -- the biggest
0:11:30 > 0:11:35leakers. The warfare taking place in the months of April, May, June,
0:11:35 > 0:11:39mid-July, they were ridiculous. It was unfair to the president. They
0:11:39 > 0:11:44were leaking every bit of information. The guy couldn't have a
0:11:44 > 0:11:47private phone conversation without it being late. You are trying to
0:11:47 > 0:11:52accuse me of doing something behind their back. I didn't do anything
0:11:52 > 0:11:56behind their back. I have met with them at 9:30am in the chief of
0:11:56 > 0:12:09staff's office and told them exactly how I felt.And what of staff,
0:12:09 > 0:12:12Reince Priebus, got fired...Don't accuse me of backstabbing when I hit
0:12:12 > 0:12:14them in the face and told them exactly how I feel.You were
0:12:14 > 0:12:17involved in the firing of Reince Priebus and he was replaced by
0:12:17 > 0:12:20General John Kelly. His number one priority when he walked into the
0:12:20 > 0:12:26West Wing was to fire you. Absolutely right.What a humiliating
0:12:26 > 0:12:32episode of your life.In some ways but understanding in others. I'm an
0:12:32 > 0:12:35American business person, not a politician. I went in, the president
0:12:35 > 0:12:40gave me a job, I handled it how a CEO and entrepreneur award. I didn't
0:12:40 > 0:12:47handle it as a deft political operative. The president told me to
0:12:47 > 0:12:53take control of the leakers. General Kerry is more of a military person
0:12:53 > 0:13:04and I am an entrepreneur. It wasn't going to work. He fired me quickly.
0:13:04 > 0:13:09I give him a lot of credit. This is what is interesting about you. You
0:13:09 > 0:13:12call it humiliating, I call it a reality -based decision that someone
0:13:12 > 0:13:18made as they try to reorganise staff and I took it like a man.People
0:13:18 > 0:13:23around the president, in the administration, the Secretary of
0:13:23 > 0:13:27State, Finance Secretary, former senior staffers, they all say that
0:13:27 > 0:13:32this guy is fundamentally not suited or fit to be president.You are
0:13:32 > 0:13:37sourcing that outside of the Michael Wolff book?Yes.I know each of
0:13:37 > 0:13:40those people individually, I don't believe they have said that about
0:13:40 > 0:13:44the president. Maybe they have but I do not believe it. People say things
0:13:44 > 0:13:49in conversation and it could be colloquial or joking but what
0:13:49 > 0:13:54happens now, there is an open mike and a hot mike everywhere in our
0:13:54 > 0:14:00society. Every syllable is measured and every syllable becomes tattooed
0:14:00 > 0:14:03ink in your forum. I do think it is a bit ridiculous that we are doing
0:14:03 > 0:14:08back to each other at this point in our civilisation.In all honesty,
0:14:08 > 0:14:13now that you are away from the White House, does the president have the
0:14:13 > 0:14:17intellect and character, and the temperament, to be
0:14:17 > 0:14:22commander-in-chief and President of the United States.He obviously
0:14:22 > 0:14:28does...Obviously?Looking at the economic and national security and
0:14:28 > 0:14:34you picked the responsibilities that the president has...There is a
0:14:34 > 0:14:40vital point about the state of the economy.What about the national
0:14:40 > 0:14:43security situation? The North Koreans are negotiating with the
0:14:43 > 0:14:51South Koreans. For 25 years, we let that go. The former administration
0:14:51 > 0:14:53called the strategic patience, the President of the United States said
0:14:53 > 0:14:59no more. He has the bomb, he has the capabilities to launch a large
0:14:59 > 0:15:10mystic missile into the United States. -- ballistic missile.When
0:15:10 > 0:15:15President Trump... Tweets out... Saying that my nuclear button is
0:15:15 > 0:15:20bigger than yours and it works, he refers to the leader of North Korea
0:15:20 > 0:15:25as "Little Rocket Man", you are telling me this is part of a well
0:15:25 > 0:15:30thought out strategy?Let me put your viewers at ease and the global
0:15:30 > 0:15:34community. When he is doing that, somebody like Don Junior or myself,
0:15:34 > 0:15:41we look at that and we laugh. We get the joke embedded inside of that and
0:15:41 > 0:15:45get the sarcasm laced inside of it. We do not Mike Reiner lies it like
0:15:45 > 0:15:51liberal journalists -- do not micro analyses it like liberal
0:15:51 > 0:15:58journalists. When he says it is a bigger button than the others, it is
0:15:58 > 0:16:02part of his personality. You might not like it but he is 71 years old
0:16:02 > 0:16:07and he believes, and I also believe, that he uses Twitter to jump over
0:16:07 > 0:16:11mainstream media, to directly message the people who voted for
0:16:11 > 0:16:16him. He will continue to do that. Use that phrase about the mainstream
0:16:16 > 0:16:21media, it's fair to say that Donald Trump continues to fight a war
0:16:21 > 0:16:27against what he routinely calls "The fake news media". As director of
0:16:27 > 0:16:30communications for all of 11 days but if you were still in the job,
0:16:30 > 0:16:36would you say to Donald Trump, Mr President, it isn't wise to dismiss
0:16:36 > 0:16:39the so-called mainstream media as nothing more than peddlers of fake
0:16:39 > 0:16:49news?Let's offer a balanced perspective, in the first year of
0:16:49 > 0:16:54his presidency, about 73-74% of the mainstream media is negatively
0:16:54 > 0:16:59biased towards the president. That is an objective standard, not me
0:16:59 > 0:17:03saying it. It creates some soreness inside of the administration but
0:17:03 > 0:17:07still, despite that, if I was there and in the time that I was there I
0:17:07 > 0:17:14thought it was absolutely a bad strategy to declare war on the
0:17:14 > 0:17:18media. Steve Bannon declared war on the media. He made that statement
0:17:18 > 0:17:23earlier on and said that they were an opposition party...Day after
0:17:23 > 0:17:30day, week after week... He describes the media as the fake news media.I
0:17:30 > 0:17:35do think that unfortunately, until you are a victim of fake news, you
0:17:35 > 0:17:39do not really totally understand it. You seem to suggest that Donald
0:17:39 > 0:17:44Trump's strategy right now isn't working for him and it is a mistake?
0:17:44 > 0:17:49I suggested inside and outside of the White House that the president
0:17:49 > 0:17:54does not need to declare war on the media. I was only there 11 days but
0:17:54 > 0:17:58one of the first things I did was turned the camera is back on the
0:17:58 > 0:18:04lights on in the press room. The way the system is setup, we have a
0:18:04 > 0:18:08fourth estate known as the American media, the first moment of the
0:18:08 > 0:18:13United States, the freedom of speech, to hand check people in
0:18:13 > 0:18:17power. The president is media savvy. You should take a step back from
0:18:17 > 0:18:20that, and say, I can have an adversarial relationship with the
0:18:20 > 0:18:26media without war declaration. What I am worried about is good news for
0:18:26 > 0:18:30the president, he had roughly the same approval rating is Barack Obama
0:18:30 > 0:18:34at the end of the year. You can dispute the polling but, let me
0:18:34 > 0:18:38finish, I will make the point even better than you would make it. This
0:18:38 > 0:18:46is what I worry about. Barack Obama lost 63 seats in the 2010 mid-term
0:18:46 > 0:18:52congressional elections. Some of that as a supporter of the
0:18:52 > 0:18:57president, someone who is a lifelong Republican, I would make the case
0:18:57 > 0:19:01that we had to reinvigorate the party and switch strategies right
0:19:01 > 0:19:05now, because of his popularity and if it does not improve going into
0:19:05 > 0:19:10those elections, they will be tough elections.You seem to say if the
0:19:10 > 0:19:14Republicans do not find a strategy of distancing themselves from Mr
0:19:14 > 0:19:18Trapp, they will be in trouble?I think the opposite, the candidates
0:19:18 > 0:19:26who have embraced him have done better. Those distancing themselves
0:19:26 > 0:19:30have done worse. You have to start connecting now with the American
0:19:30 > 0:19:36people and what I am calling the dashboard of success for the Trump
0:19:36 > 0:19:41administration and the Republicans in Congress. If you do not do that,
0:19:41 > 0:19:45history is up against you. If you look at Ronald Reagan, or Barack
0:19:45 > 0:19:55Obama, or George W Bush, I will use an Obama term, they were all shall
0:19:55 > 0:20:00act in the mid-term elections.You said that you were a media circuit
0:20:00 > 0:20:05when you needed to be and would be more involved but in every election
0:20:05 > 0:20:11capability then from inside of the administration. Why are you
0:20:11 > 0:20:14suggesting that with your record, and Donald Trump with his record,
0:20:14 > 0:20:22Kurt seriously expect -- could seriously expect to be re-elected?
0:20:22 > 0:20:27It would be a landslide real action. The way that the American political
0:20:27 > 0:20:31system works, it is nearly impossible to defeat a sitting
0:20:31 > 0:20:35president unless you have a calamitous situation like a
0:20:35 > 0:20:41depression or a historic rise...You are standing with the American
0:20:41 > 0:20:47public in the middle of historic lows!I said is roughly the same
0:20:47 > 0:20:51approval rating that Barack Obama had...He may not even completely
0:20:51 > 0:20:56first term.We live in the same universe, that's why I want him to
0:20:56 > 0:21:00fight back and when he wins we will pop champagne together. He will win
0:21:00 > 0:21:04the re-election because he has the right policies for the American
0:21:04 > 0:21:08people and, by the way, before the cameras were rolling we were talking
0:21:08 > 0:21:14about Governor Romney, who I supported. He was a great candidate
0:21:14 > 0:21:18for president but almost impossible to be an incumbent president in a
0:21:18 > 0:21:22rising economic situation. You can go back to 1880 and it doesn't
0:21:22 > 0:21:28happen.You are an extraordinary promoter of the Trump cause but I
0:21:28 > 0:21:34will end with this quote...I am talking facts with you.This is a
0:21:34 > 0:21:38Republican, Senator Jeff Flake, he has split with Donald Trump, he
0:21:38 > 0:21:45thinks that Trump is very bad for America. He knows that he will not
0:21:45 > 0:21:50be renominated.He cannot get re-elected.Because he has basically
0:21:50 > 0:21:53killed his own career by making a stand, he said that there are times
0:21:53 > 0:21:58when we must risk our careers in favour of principle, and when the
0:21:58 > 0:22:02Next Generation asks us, why did you do something? And he means, do
0:22:02 > 0:22:08something about Trump, why did you speak up? What are you going to say?
0:22:08 > 0:22:20That I enabled the sky?Again, you don't like his style. The senator
0:22:20 > 0:22:25does not like his style, I grew up with people like him, I get the
0:22:25 > 0:22:29difference between the brashness and style and capability and action. I
0:22:29 > 0:22:33predict that over the next three years, the capability and process
0:22:33 > 0:22:38and the action will overwhelm people. He is going to Switzerland
0:22:38 > 0:22:43next week, he is embracing the global community and is at the
0:22:43 > 0:22:47intersection of globalism where he wants peace and prosperity for the
0:22:47 > 0:22:52world. He has an America First strategy for workers. You don't like
0:22:52 > 0:22:57his style, I get that. Or his tweeting, I get that. Senator Flake
0:22:57 > 0:23:02does not like it but let's measure him on substance and when he wins
0:23:02 > 0:23:06real action, you will invite me back. We can have and I told you so
0:23:06 > 0:23:11moment, like everyone had when he they said he would not win in the
0:23:11 > 0:23:16first place.Come what may, we will invite you back. Anthony Scaramucci,
0:23:16 > 0:23:21we will invite you back.I'm talking fact promotion, not Trump promotion.
0:23:21 > 0:23:36Let's make that clear. Top son of a bitch, you see why we call him BBC
0:23:36 > 0:23:48break balls?