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:01:29. > :01:33.Hello and welcome to BBC Parliament live coverage of the House of

:01:34. > :01:36.Commons. At half past three David Cameron will make a statement to MPs

:01:37. > :01:40.on the deal reached with European Union leaders on reforming the terms

:01:41. > :01:46.of the UK's membership of the EU. That agreement pave the way for the

:01:47. > :01:49.out referendum on the 23rd of June. Mr Cameron announced the date on

:01:50. > :01:59.Saturday when he returned from Brussels. The Prime Minister will

:02:00. > :02:08.make the case for the EU UK to Burbank. Such is the justice

:02:09. > :02:11.secretary and the work and pensions Secretary. The Prime Minister

:02:12. > :02:16.statement on the EU will be repeated and debated in the House of Lords as

:02:17. > :02:19.well. Member to join me for a round-up of the days debate about

:02:20. > :02:23.the EU in both houses of parliament at 11 o'clock this evening. We start

:02:24. > :02:45.this question to the home Secretary May.

:02:46. > :02:55.Order! Order! Questions to the Secretary of State for the Home

:02:56. > :02:59.Department. Question one Mr Speaker. Thank you, the investigator and

:03:00. > :03:03.Powers bill has been in close consultation with the industry. The

:03:04. > :03:07.cost of the public for implement the provisions will continue to be

:03:08. > :03:14.refined as we hope more detailed vote come. They can meet the costs

:03:15. > :03:17.themselves. Full cost recovery will reply to operational cost including

:03:18. > :03:23.those associated with new obligations under the bill. Thank

:03:24. > :03:25.you Mr Speaker, the science and technology committee warned that the

:03:26. > :03:35.bill of risk undermining the start we performing tech sector. Will the

:03:36. > :03:40.Secretary of State and sure as that the UK businesses will not be placed

:03:41. > :03:47.at a commercial disadvantage to overseas competitors? I can assure

:03:48. > :03:51.the gentleman that. As I said and my answer to his initial question, we

:03:52. > :03:58.will be ensuring that the full cost recovery replies to operational cost

:03:59. > :04:02.for any companies who have, except for notices issued to them. What is

:04:03. > :04:04.clear is that that is what we have done as the government in the past,

:04:05. > :04:11.that is the privileged governments have done and we will continue its.

:04:12. > :04:15.Was the home secretary look carefully at the recommendations of

:04:16. > :04:20.the joint committee in regards to but recognition of the Internet. We

:04:21. > :04:23.were clear that greater clarity is needed on deafness in order to be

:04:24. > :04:27.able to allow the private sector to fully cost there for proposals. I

:04:28. > :04:32.think the right honourable gentleman, those honourable members

:04:33. > :04:37.and any other place to set on that committee and who did an excellent

:04:38. > :04:42.job in producing their reports, a very well thought through and

:04:43. > :04:51.careful report. We will look very carefully at the issue. We are

:04:52. > :04:57.looking awfully on all committees. We will bring forward a revised bill

:04:58. > :05:02.proposals in due course. On the specific issue of private

:05:03. > :05:06.businesses, could be home secretary outlines what recent discussions she

:05:07. > :05:12.or her ministers have had with the devolved ministrations about that

:05:13. > :05:16.particular aspect? Discussions with devolved ministrations have been

:05:17. > :05:20.going on throughout the preparation of the initial draft bill, and

:05:21. > :05:23.indeed have continued and will continue. Also, but will also

:05:24. > :05:28.continue its discussions between ministers and officials and the

:05:29. > :05:33.companies and private room at private businesses themselves.

:05:34. > :05:38.Question number two Mr Speaker. With the mission was a speaker I will

:05:39. > :05:42.answer questions two and ten on the order paper together. The minimum

:05:43. > :05:46.income threshold of ?18,600 for sponsoring a partner under the

:05:47. > :05:51.family immigration roles, and so is that couples wishing to establish

:05:52. > :05:54.the family life in the UK do not place burdens on the taxpayer and

:05:55. > :06:01.hub motor integration. It is being considered by the courts and upheld

:06:02. > :06:05.by the court of appeals. The Low the welfare of immigrants has said that

:06:06. > :06:13.these rules discriminately affecting women. 25% get less than 18,600

:06:14. > :06:17.compared to 75% of men. This gives young people it is evident as well.

:06:18. > :06:23.What actual the home Secretary take to reduce these on sale rules? I

:06:24. > :06:27.would say that the threshold was set as advice of the migration advisory

:06:28. > :06:32.committee to look very carefully on the levels of income and terms of

:06:33. > :06:41.not being a bargain on the taxpayer. The gross median and Scotland in

:06:42. > :06:43.2014 racks at 21,725 higher than the threshold. This of legal challenge

:06:44. > :06:52.has been raised by the course of Appeal. The threshold was upheld.

:06:53. > :06:56.Thinking you Mr Speaker, the Secretary of State will see a story

:06:57. > :07:01.reported by the BBC this morning where she fled the area and gave

:07:02. > :07:04.birth to her son in the UK. Her husband a Syrian national is unable

:07:05. > :07:09.to join the meeting because they cannot afford the fees of these. Can

:07:10. > :07:13.Secretary of State tell us with his British nationals should go to enter

:07:14. > :07:18.her family life. Her husband home country of Syria? There are various

:07:19. > :07:23.different routes that could be available. We have the family

:07:24. > :07:26.reunion and route that can apply and circumstances. I'm not familiar with

:07:27. > :07:32.all the us is that he highlights. Equally, the government is in

:07:33. > :07:36.respect for uncertainties for the protection of the children. This is

:07:37. > :07:39.considered by the court and upheld. That gave the point made so

:07:40. > :07:44.eloquently by my Honorable friend about not being a burden on the

:07:45. > :07:48.taxpayer. To what extent do we take into account, charges made by other

:07:49. > :07:55.countries, two British nationals hoping to emigrate to those

:07:56. > :07:58.countries? I say, my honourable friend makes a point on different

:07:59. > :08:02.immigration systems and different parts of the world. Obviously we

:08:03. > :08:05.have taken advice on the migration advisory committee looking at cost

:08:06. > :08:10.and look at those pardons to see that someone does not place a burden

:08:11. > :08:18.on the UK taxpayer. But his odyssey for other countries to assess what

:08:19. > :08:22.is appropriate and their own system. The financial threshold family visas

:08:23. > :08:26.is causing particular distress to one of my constituents who cannot

:08:27. > :08:31.work the hours required because she is a carer for her vulnerable child.

:08:32. > :08:36.This means she is living without her husband and the Taliban without his

:08:37. > :08:40.father. Does the Minister acknowledged that he is at risk of

:08:41. > :08:48.creating a generation of children whose only contact with one of their

:08:49. > :08:53.parents will be via Skype? Now, I don't except the point the Honorable

:08:54. > :08:57.Lady makes. These issues of the welfare of the child are absolutely

:08:58. > :09:01.part of the consideration that the takes, this was a matter that was

:09:02. > :09:07.considered by the courts of the pale. And firmly upheld. I would say

:09:08. > :09:12.to the Honorable lady that when this issue of the -- all being said in

:09:13. > :09:15.November 2011, the migration advisory committee gave a lower

:09:16. > :09:20.threshold of 18,600 but equally advise the national could have been

:09:21. > :09:23.set at 25,000 700. The Government reflected in those circumstances and

:09:24. > :09:29.set it to level as it has done. That little has been upheld by the court.

:09:30. > :09:33.The Minister has mentioned the court of appeal but the matter is not

:09:34. > :09:36.entirely set from a legal point of view because this week the Supreme

:09:37. > :09:40.Court will hold the cases of two but is nationals who cannot meet these

:09:41. > :09:45.tough financial rules to allow their not EU spouses to come and live with

:09:46. > :09:51.them. The Honorable member for Hampstead and Coburn has mentioned

:09:52. > :09:54.that according to the children's Commissioner for England there are

:09:55. > :10:00.15,000 British children growing up via Skype. How can the Minister

:10:01. > :10:05.justified the stress and anxiety caused by these children -- to these

:10:06. > :10:10.children for the other flexible and unjust rule. I don't accept the

:10:11. > :10:15.characterisation that the honourable lady has proven to. I does recognise

:10:16. > :10:22.the number that she has proffered. I do say, that it is about good

:10:23. > :10:26.immigration, it is in relation to language in terms of mapping a

:10:27. > :10:29.bargain to the taxpayer but equally promoting integration. We believe

:10:30. > :10:36.the policy is ineffective in doing that. ... Last year the conservative

:10:37. > :10:43.call on the government to change these rules. Melting, the

:10:44. > :10:51.significant contribution made by millions of Brooke Britons living

:10:52. > :10:57.as the Minister of Rome as the opposition, will he at least listen

:10:58. > :11:02.to his own party and get rid of these rules was to scrimmage against

:11:03. > :11:06.hard-working families? I say again to the honourable lady that we do

:11:07. > :11:10.not believe that the rules are discriminatory, and the way that she

:11:11. > :11:13.is a just and characterises, the system is in place to ensure a good

:11:14. > :11:17.integration and is absurd that people are not a burden on the

:11:18. > :11:21.taxpayer. I thought that was something she would recognise as

:11:22. > :11:25.being a positive aspect of the policy to make sure that people can

:11:26. > :11:29.contribute and settle. The rules have been set, and upheld by the

:11:30. > :11:36.court and look at the two of underline those key things. With

:11:37. > :11:43.permission I will answer questions three and 16 on the order paper

:11:44. > :11:51.together. Border force carries out 100% of the tax. They deliver an

:11:52. > :11:59.effective and intelligent responses for a range of security threats.

:12:00. > :12:03.They used equipment and a range of search techniques. I think the home

:12:04. > :12:07.secretary for that answer but last of the birth of eminent fives were

:12:08. > :12:11.found in a container in my constituency, that came just three

:12:12. > :12:17.weeks after 20 immigrants were found of wear. Given that my local border

:12:18. > :12:21.forces are facing cuts, how can the secretary reassure me that these

:12:22. > :12:25.cuts are not damaging the safety and security? The approach that we are

:12:26. > :12:29.taking to these matters comes across in a number of ways. First of all,

:12:30. > :12:33.in relation to water forth, we are looking to edge does this

:12:34. > :12:37.technology, but also to an Benedike Howedes make sure they can operate

:12:38. > :12:42.successfully. It will be a much more intelligent lead approach. We can

:12:43. > :12:46.target what they need to be in accordance with the intelligence,

:12:47. > :12:51.and also this government has enhanced our ability to deal with

:12:52. > :12:56.organised crime. This is an issue that the national crime agency set

:12:57. > :13:01.up by the last Coalition government is taking very seriously and is

:13:02. > :13:09.acting on. Thank you, I have ten electronic passports case and my

:13:10. > :13:13.efficiency at the airport of my department is unable to tell me how

:13:14. > :13:17.many people travelled through. And how often they malfunction and how

:13:18. > :13:24.many were Texans they are. Does the home Secretary agree with me that

:13:25. > :13:29.the warning -- as identified by the office, this is one of them and it

:13:30. > :13:33.should be looked into? What I say is that I think that the increased

:13:34. > :13:39.number of each day for checking passports that we have is a good

:13:40. > :13:48.move. It's and hat security at our border. Thank you Mr Speaker, I have

:13:49. > :13:53.been trying to figure out how many people arrive at UK airports without

:13:54. > :13:56.valid travel documents. I'm very surprised that nobody seems to be

:13:57. > :14:00.able to give me an answer to this. Within minutes be able to give me an

:14:01. > :14:05.answer and if not hesitate to ask them to find out this important

:14:06. > :14:10.matter? I can tell my honourable friend that 18,000 individuals were

:14:11. > :14:13.refused at entry at the border in 2014 equity those who were

:14:14. > :14:16.travelling on an valid documentation. When somebody comes

:14:17. > :14:22.the UK border they are subjected to a range of tax we have offices at

:14:23. > :14:28.the border who trained and are able to detect forged documents and steps

:14:29. > :14:33.are being taken to intercept those individuals who don't have the

:14:34. > :14:39.correct documents of of a bit over at the border. And I congratulate

:14:40. > :14:42.the home Secretary are the words as he sat on the value of EU membership

:14:43. > :14:47.in terms of protecting the safety and security of this country. Can I

:14:48. > :14:52.ask her, even though that is the case and I agree with her could we

:14:53. > :14:57.have more specific focus on the quieter port, the quieter airports

:14:58. > :15:01.were the smuggling gangs know it is quieter? I indicated in my response

:15:02. > :15:06.earlier to one of his honourable friend, that the way border forces

:15:07. > :15:09.of prejudice as in a much intelligent lead basis, so that they

:15:10. > :15:13.can be flexible in relation to the staff that employed in different

:15:14. > :15:21.ports, professing recognising, that we don't eat as a focus on one or 24

:15:22. > :15:30.22 focus on a range of ports. -- focus on one or two ports. We need

:15:31. > :15:34.to rely on strong EU coordinated approach to security including at

:15:35. > :15:37.our borders and our ports. The Secretary of State and I know road

:15:38. > :15:42.that we rely on EU criminal justice and security measures. And those

:15:43. > :15:47.circumstances, I assume that the home office carried out a risk

:15:48. > :15:52.assessment on the impact of UK withdraw and the EU on security at

:15:53. > :15:57.ports. Recommended of the public who have not yet decided how to vote in

:15:58. > :16:02.the referendum access the conclusions? I have dissected say to

:16:03. > :16:08.the honourable gentleman, I'm not sure that his parliamentary language

:16:09. > :16:11.for me to repeat Mr Speaker. He can rest assured that argument there

:16:12. > :16:15.relations of these matters will be fully set out for people over the

:16:16. > :16:19.coming months. One of the arguments I put, he will have no because he

:16:20. > :16:25.was involved in this and a different capacity before he came into this

:16:26. > :16:28.chamber. It was around issues like the operation of various sizes and

:16:29. > :16:31.home affairs meshes is what we set out very clearly as the government

:16:32. > :16:39.by without the benefit was in being part of those measures. Tony Smith

:16:40. > :16:46.the interim head of the UK border for from 20 1213 said that a vote to

:16:47. > :16:52.leave the EU would pose a lot of issues for the border force who is

:16:53. > :16:56.already under huge pressure. In particular he highlighted the fact

:16:57. > :17:01.that the border for staff would have to carry out more attacks on EU

:17:02. > :17:05.citizens. Can the Secretary of State confirm that the border for school

:17:06. > :17:12.and the fact to face more cuts year on year for the foreseeable future?

:17:13. > :17:16.I'm happy to say that anybody who comes to the UK border, anybody

:17:17. > :17:21.receives a stringent checks at the UK border, we are doing that now on

:17:22. > :17:25.a much more intelligent lead basis, in terms of looking at individuals

:17:26. > :17:28.who may be of concern, and yes he is right that we have interactions with

:17:29. > :17:33.other member states and the European Union to the use of things like a

:17:34. > :17:37.system to identify people who are of concern who are coming across the

:17:38. > :17:42.border. Border forth and other operations are not about people, the

:17:43. > :17:45.about goods and bridges are good and illegal goods being brought into the

:17:46. > :17:49.UK. That is where the intelligence led approach can be helpful in

:17:50. > :17:58.identifying when the areas of concern and action being taken

:17:59. > :18:02.appropriate of properly. But commission on what action questions

:18:03. > :18:10.four and 14 on the order paper. Crime commissioners, sorry for and

:18:11. > :18:13.13. Crime commissioners are providing a comfortable position and

:18:14. > :18:18.making a real difference to policing locally. There has been a reduction

:18:19. > :18:38.in crime and more than a quarter sensor and seduction. -- production.

:18:39. > :18:44.There is already good process of scrutiny that is available through

:18:45. > :18:54.the piece and crime panels, for looking at any potential crime that

:18:55. > :19:02.police may have. That process it is enshrined and is being taken. What I

:19:03. > :19:07.do is when any area is looking at the potential for roles, for such as

:19:08. > :19:10.we have in the greater Manchester area in relation to peace and crime

:19:11. > :19:17.commissioner with the productive mayor of that area. There is full

:19:18. > :19:24.consideration of all the aspects of the issue to ensure that going ahead

:19:25. > :19:28.they can give it to do so properly without conflict of interest as

:19:29. > :19:35.ensuring that the best services delivered. Thank you Mr Speaker, my

:19:36. > :19:37.local police force received a positive inspection report from the

:19:38. > :19:43.home inspector. With my right honourable friend join me and please

:19:44. > :19:48.do the work of the constable at the conservative police and crime

:19:49. > :19:52.commissioner and their efforts to fight crime and specifically the

:19:53. > :19:59.chief constables national work on the prevent programme. I'm very

:20:00. > :20:04.happy to exit and congratulations I'm sure everybody across his house

:20:05. > :20:07.to the excellent work that is being done by the chief constable and the

:20:08. > :20:11.peace and crime commissioner. They have done an job and the crime

:20:12. > :20:15.commissioner will be stepping down. But I would like to thank them for

:20:16. > :20:20.the work that he has done over his first term at peace and crime

:20:21. > :20:24.commissioner. The main problem that the South Yorkshire police and crime

:20:25. > :20:35.commissioner faces is the shortfall in his budget was Roosevelt and too

:20:36. > :20:39.much 250 police jobs being lost. It makes rational planning difficult.

:20:40. > :20:43.With the home Secretary agreed that the PCs can do the job better if

:20:44. > :20:47.they had the budget set at the remainder of the Parliament of what

:20:48. > :20:58.will they do about it? The pitcher he has had out is not the one that I

:20:59. > :21:01.recognise. We have protected, police budgets, across the period of the

:21:02. > :21:05.Comprehensive Spending Review. I would have thought that he would

:21:06. > :21:16.have welcome that given that his front this one of the cut by 10%. A

:21:17. > :21:23.recent reports by the British retail consultant found that these crimes

:21:24. > :21:29.have gone up by 25%. What action was the home Secretary take to and a

:21:30. > :21:32.vote for commissioners to take act against any level of violence

:21:33. > :21:40.against retail staff. What action can be take to reduce this? First of

:21:41. > :21:50.all, I think we are all concerned about Violet Maxine taken place. It

:21:51. > :21:53.is a matter of real concern. The operational response to such crimes

:21:54. > :21:57.being committed and the business of such crimes as a matter for the

:21:58. > :22:02.chief Constable of the particular for the area to look into. I know

:22:03. > :22:08.there are a number of retail chain to ever working very closely. To try

:22:09. > :22:13.to ensure that they are able to provide added support and security

:22:14. > :22:16.for the staff. Although I have had my differences that time with the

:22:17. > :22:20.pleasing crime commissioner and the concert, when my right honourable

:22:21. > :22:23.friend agree with me that his record along with the biggest Achilles, and

:22:24. > :22:31.reducing crime is exemplary and is an example to all? I would again

:22:32. > :22:34.congratulate and walk him see what that is being done in the concert

:22:35. > :22:37.and relation to the reduction of crime by the chief Constable and the

:22:38. > :22:40.pleasing crime commissioner. It is not the only area where we have been

:22:41. > :22:49.able to see crime solving but I think that the following McNish or

:22:50. > :22:58.has been significant. -- Lancashire. Can I ask if she has any statement

:22:59. > :23:02.from the North have a sure crime commissioner from his panel? It is

:23:03. > :23:10.expected that the full transfer funding from the urban areas to more

:23:11. > :23:13.rural areas and that the city will benefit. As developing government

:23:14. > :23:19.policy or is it just letting the cat of the bag? I would have tossed the

:23:20. > :23:30.ombudsman would be aware, we have Derek Lilley said that the proposed

:23:31. > :23:34.changes that we were... We're trying to develop a formula that is

:23:35. > :23:48.affected of the needs. I also sent to the ombudsman he looks across the

:23:49. > :23:56.at police forces across the area he will see that the funding formula

:23:57. > :24:05.needs to change. Question five Mr Speaker. Mr Mike Penning, we ask

:24:06. > :24:18.permission to answer questions on the order paper. Pleasing crime

:24:19. > :24:24.commissioners will have a duty to collaborate on the Bill before this

:24:25. > :24:32.house becomes a law. Hampshire fire service and handsets of the services

:24:33. > :24:38.share a building resulting and financial sufficiency. Will he

:24:39. > :24:43.congratulated me and taking a lead and collaborative working. I was

:24:44. > :24:46.there recently and saw for myself deeply working is being done between

:24:47. > :24:53.the emergency services. The collaboration with the chief and the

:24:54. > :25:01.chief Constable as of the PCC to, they are doing excellent work. The

:25:02. > :25:03.map of my Honorable friend agree that it is important that the new

:25:04. > :25:07.generation of pleasing crime commissioners who have been elected,

:25:08. > :25:12.or will be elected in a couple months' time get behind this

:25:13. > :25:18.important reform. Will he join me in welcoming the commitment of the

:25:19. > :25:30.excellent PCC candidates and his strong desire to implement these

:25:31. > :25:33.subtler forms? We need to make sure that we spending taxpayer money

:25:34. > :25:45.efficiently and well and collaboration and that is the best

:25:46. > :25:55.way for that. She is really a shy or tiring so. The fire and rescue

:25:56. > :25:58.services collaborating very well all over the country, particularly with

:25:59. > :26:03.the ambulance trusts. Will you tell us why he sees necessary under the

:26:04. > :26:08.new bill, that the police and crime commissioners would actually take

:26:09. > :26:15.control of the fire services, surely the two organizations are so

:26:16. > :26:21.different in so many ways. You can have the collaboration without the

:26:22. > :26:28.PCC running our fire services. I think is of the matter, someone who

:26:29. > :26:33.is duly able to run that like a PCC should be on any committee. I'm sure

:26:34. > :26:37.we would want an efficient emergency service, before I service working

:26:38. > :26:47.closely with the police is the way we would like to do that.

:26:48. > :26:51.Collaboration with the services will be the communication network. How

:26:52. > :27:01.much will they cause, and though one day be in place? -- and when will

:27:02. > :27:04.they be in place. There are bits out there and the moment, it will be

:27:05. > :27:09.confidential at the moment. What we do know is that the air racism that

:27:10. > :27:17.we have had needs replacing, it is very expensive and this will be

:27:18. > :27:22.cheaper. The pleasing crime commissioner will put forward a

:27:23. > :27:25.business case to take over the governments of Hampshire for fire

:27:26. > :27:30.rescue services. My honourable friend pointed out what they already

:27:31. > :27:34.doing, we already have a trading arm which pays for the governments of

:27:35. > :27:37.the fire and rescue Authority. What this is the police and fire

:27:38. > :27:44.commission approved for that would allow him to run the service? If the

:27:45. > :27:49.local community wants to have a more efficient service which could be the

:27:50. > :27:53.case, and accept that they are particularly good. When I was in

:27:54. > :27:57.Hampshire there were people asking me for more collaboration, more work

:27:58. > :28:02.to be done to particularly from the front lines which is the most

:28:03. > :28:06.important the plaintiff. Given the cuts and funding to the police

:28:07. > :28:13.service, and the fire and rescue services already budgeted for by

:28:14. > :28:16.this government, can the Minister guarantee that placing fire and left

:28:17. > :28:25.the services under PCC control will not lead to further cut in the

:28:26. > :28:27.numbers of front line firefighters? This is bigger, thank goodness the

:28:28. > :28:31.chances of not listen to labor front bench to relive the funding for the

:28:32. > :28:37.please worked until 2020 because office they of a 10% cut. What we

:28:38. > :28:42.must make sure, what we must make sure is that we have an efficient

:28:43. > :28:56.service and that will be going for. Thank you Mr Speaker. Tackling crime

:28:57. > :29:02.is a priority for government. Show that knife crime is 14% lower than

:29:03. > :29:05.it was in June 2010, we recognise that there is more to do and new

:29:06. > :29:10.actions to tackle knife crime will be set out in the modern crime

:29:11. > :29:19.prevention strategy. I think my honourable friend for the first bite

:29:20. > :29:25.the. -- knife what action is her department taken to Brook -- tackle

:29:26. > :29:29.knife crime. Can I think my honourable friend for his question,

:29:30. > :29:37.and congratulate him on the new arrival, new baby who I believe was

:29:38. > :29:41.very involved in the delivery. I am also aware of the concerns about

:29:42. > :29:43.knife crimes and Essex, and I recently met with my right

:29:44. > :29:47.honourable friend and I have been more than happy to meet with him to

:29:48. > :29:51.discuss precisely this issue. The taking if they just steps, and early

:29:52. > :29:55.this month be supported 30 police forces, including Essex. They

:29:56. > :30:00.undertook coordinated action against knife crime. Thank you Mr Speaker.

:30:01. > :30:09.Knife crime, bike other crime is best dealt with preemptively. In

:30:10. > :30:14.Sussex crime has gone up 8%, and yet today the government inspector said

:30:15. > :30:18.that routinely front-line, neighbourhood, and local police and

:30:19. > :30:22.being taken away. Kenny Minister please be looked at the thousand

:30:23. > :30:28.front-line police officers and staff that are being taken away and for

:30:29. > :30:35.the impact neighbourhood policing? Mr Speaker, can I start when it's a

:30:36. > :30:37.-- comes to Sussex. Congratulating the police commissioner. At that

:30:38. > :30:51.hair, and we discussed to take she's I think he should remember the boat

:30:52. > :30:55.that he made in this house to cut police resources by 10%, something

:30:56. > :31:07.that decided the House disagreed with. Thank you Mr Speaker. Recently

:31:08. > :31:14.and Darby a young man lost his life. Lester, knife years rose across the

:31:15. > :31:18.UK. Can I ask my right honourable friend what steps the department are

:31:19. > :31:22.taking to tackle the scourge of individuals from carrying knives? My

:31:23. > :31:26.honourable friend is right. We do need to educate and show them people

:31:27. > :31:29.that caring matters is not school, it's not something that they should

:31:30. > :31:34.be doing. It's a big that they should understand is dangerous and

:31:35. > :31:37.can result in loss of life. That is why in the last parliament we

:31:38. > :31:42.legislated so that if someone is caught with a knife twice they have

:31:43. > :31:46.a mandatory prison sentence, and we are doing more work. I would be more

:31:47. > :31:54.than happy to work with her and discuss the specific issues and

:31:55. > :31:59.Darby which I do know have... Have the Minister considered amnesty to

:32:00. > :32:04.invite people to hand in weapons, whether it be knives or other

:32:05. > :32:09.weapons, it was very successful in the West Midlands. Mr Speaker, that

:32:10. > :32:15.is a matter for chief constables to determine. I said that we worked

:32:16. > :32:25.with 13 forces including within that work, world knife amnesties.

:32:26. > :32:30.Question number seven. Discussions with

:32:31. > :32:37.to ensure that the public are aware and protected from fraud. It is the

:32:38. > :32:44.mission to counter the wicked work of fraudsters. While I actually

:32:45. > :32:50.understand the difficulties and effectively policing the Internet,

:32:51. > :32:55.financial scams judging by my own parliamentary accounts, seem to be

:32:56. > :32:59.out of control. The most older people are being targeted. When my

:33:00. > :33:04.right honourable friend have another look at this issues and see if there

:33:05. > :33:08.is a way that we can bring these criminals to account? It's because

:33:09. > :33:13.we have taken a fresh look at this. Just as my honourable friend

:33:14. > :33:18.recommends that we have launched the joint task force, we are continuing

:33:19. > :33:21.to support the supply of the streetwise campaign which makes

:33:22. > :33:27.people more aware and guarded about fraud, but we have invested 90

:33:28. > :33:33.million, and one point billion and two security over the next years. We

:33:34. > :33:41.take this seriously. In the cyber age, I am a cyber minister up to the

:33:42. > :33:46.minute, up to the mark, and up to the job. LAUGHTER We would expect no

:33:47. > :33:54.less of the right honourable gentleman. Can I ask the cyber

:33:55. > :33:57.minister, as it seems to be -- since he is up to the mark, about the

:33:58. > :34:08.activities of a website which was discovered recently

:34:09. > :34:11.selling the stolen bank details of 100,000 British citizens? Since he

:34:12. > :34:16.is an up to the minute cyber minister, how is it possible for

:34:17. > :34:22.this website to carry on for six months before it was closed down?

:34:23. > :34:27.How much of the 1.9 billion that he is targeting on cyber crime will be

:34:28. > :34:33.used to proactively close downsides of this kind? The honourable

:34:34. > :34:36.gentleman knows because his committee has drawn attention to did

:34:37. > :34:41.in the past, that it is critically important that the government works

:34:42. > :34:45.with all other agencies including banks and private sector

:34:46. > :34:52.organizations, any task force has permission to do that. It is summed

:34:53. > :34:56.up by this. They have publicly signed up to commit their full

:34:57. > :35:01.support to work in partnership to protect the public from being

:35:02. > :35:08.victims of fraud, scams, and maximise opportunities to prevent

:35:09. > :35:11.fraudster from operating in the way that he recommended. Mr Speaker, the

:35:12. > :35:16.cyber minister will know that you are more likely to be marked online

:35:17. > :35:24.than in the street. -- mocked. Will the home secretary confirmed that

:35:25. > :35:33.after fighters of her government saying cut crime,. The tooth will be

:35:34. > :35:38.told that far from falling, crying is changing. Our country now faces

:35:39. > :35:43.crime doubling when this government continues to cut the number of

:35:44. > :35:46.police officer. The honourable gentleman will be disappointed to

:35:47. > :35:55.know that I am going to say that he is right. I remind him that we are

:35:56. > :35:58.the government that made the decision to publish the statistics,

:35:59. > :36:03.and to designate cyber crime and the way that we have. Until we

:36:04. > :36:06.appreciate the scale of the problem we won't develop the solutions

:36:07. > :36:12.necessary to deal with that. I would also say to him, as he will know,

:36:13. > :36:15.that we are using some of that extra resources to set up the national

:36:16. > :36:30.cyber centre to co-ordinate work in this area. Thank you Mr Speaker. The

:36:31. > :36:36.government has provided funding. It is interesting work that is going

:36:37. > :36:41.forward. Naturally, we will help encourage PC sees in the country to

:36:42. > :36:47.reduce crime, support victims, and closely engorged Democrats engage.

:36:48. > :36:52.The American comedian Eddie Cantor said that those currently on the

:36:53. > :36:56.most wanted list have been the most wanted as children, they would no

:36:57. > :37:00.longer be on the most wanted list. In that context, with the Minister

:37:01. > :37:04.welcomed the work that his department is doing with the early

:37:05. > :37:08.intervention foundation in creating police leaders academies on early

:37:09. > :37:12.intervention. Will he ensure that funding is available so that every

:37:13. > :37:23.police Commissioner a elected this year can attend courses this year.

:37:24. > :37:26.Can I praise the work of the early intervention foundation and the work

:37:27. > :37:30.that they're doing is important. Other agencies do important work,

:37:31. > :37:38.but we know about if we can catch them young to me compared to them

:37:39. > :37:42.from becoming criminals. Following the government's troubled families

:37:43. > :37:47.programme, it can be any doubt that early intervention works. It

:37:48. > :37:52.produces petty crime, encourages school attendance, gets people into

:37:53. > :37:56.jobs. What became clear and why this is welcome with the Minister is

:37:57. > :38:00.saying, without the active participation of the police, those

:38:01. > :38:06.programmes are so ineffectual. I hope that we will ensure that every

:38:07. > :38:14.chief constable in Commissioner will regard this in hype a wordy. I am

:38:15. > :38:17.sure that everyone has heard with my right honourable friend has said.

:38:18. > :38:23.That is why we put the money into the foundation, that is why we are

:38:24. > :38:26.doing the review at the moment into the police early intervention

:38:27. > :38:36.academy so that we can prove -- improve the outcomes. Humberside

:38:37. > :38:43.police is 500 fewer officers than five years ago, and of course across

:38:44. > :38:47.North Lincolnshire... Isn't it the case that the reality for the police

:38:48. > :38:52.on the ground is that early intervention is not a priority and

:38:53. > :38:59.it is being pushed onto ill resourced local authorities. Mr

:39:00. > :39:04.Speaker, I am sure that... Every single time we hear from the Labour

:39:05. > :39:08.Party they want more money and yet their front bench want to cut the

:39:09. > :39:20.funding to the police force. That is what the reality is, not what is

:39:21. > :39:33.actually going on. Number 11 Mr Speaker. Bear with me Mr Speaker. Mr

:39:34. > :39:39.Speaker, as I wrote earlier there are four police forces currently

:39:40. > :39:49.using track my crime. There are more coming on force, and 22 forces will

:39:50. > :39:53.have it available to them. I think the Minister for that answer. How

:39:54. > :39:56.successful has tracked my crime bend and supporting victims of crime and

:39:57. > :40:00.keeping them up to date and supporting them in the process of

:40:01. > :40:07.these matters being back investigated? When I broke this

:40:08. > :40:19.earlier, the tooth -- wrote. Victims have the confidence to

:40:20. > :40:27.actually believe in their justice system. Track my Crime will help

:40:28. > :40:40.that. The evidence gathering stage of the review has been done.

:40:41. > :40:47.18,000 police officers have been cut in the last five years. Is it really

:40:48. > :40:53.sensible to waste scarce police resources and enforcing a ban on

:40:54. > :41:01.poppers and criminalizing users other relatively harmless substance.

:41:02. > :41:06.I hope that the honourable gentleman will welcome the psychoactive

:41:07. > :41:09.substances act, because that blanket ban on the effect of these

:41:10. > :41:13.substances that we do not know what they do to young people and that

:41:14. > :41:18.they caused deaths is incredibly important. When it comes to poppers

:41:19. > :41:21.we have a commitment to reviewing the benefits of poppers against the

:41:22. > :41:28.harms to see whether they should be included. Question number 14 Mr

:41:29. > :41:38.Speaker. Thank you Mr Speaker. The modern slavery act, it is too early

:41:39. > :41:44.to make it effective -- make effectiveness of this act. Some

:41:45. > :41:49.businesses are already published a statement setting out what steps

:41:50. > :41:57.they've taken to prevent moderates lately in they're gloating surprise

:41:58. > :42:01.James. Am grateful for that reply. He writes that the role that the

:42:02. > :42:05.private sector can play in the fight against slavery should not be

:42:06. > :42:10.underestimated. What assessment has she made so far of the effectiveness

:42:11. > :42:16.of the transparency and supply chain's provision in the act for

:42:17. > :42:21.companies of turnovers with ?36 million or more. He is right. It is

:42:22. > :42:24.not about law enforcement and government taking action, it is

:42:25. > :42:29.about working with the private sector and with businesses. I am

:42:30. > :42:33.pleased that although the first set of declarations and relation to

:42:34. > :42:37.supply chains is only from the 31st of March, we have seen a number of

:42:38. > :42:42.companies going forward and making this declaration. I will in a month

:42:43. > :42:46.or so hold an event with companies to share good practice so that we

:42:47. > :42:50.can make sure that we are getting the best event, ending consumers can

:42:51. > :42:55.make their decision. Despite some of the good measures in the act, the

:42:56. > :42:59.fact is that child trafficking is still taking place across the

:43:00. > :43:07.European Union. It is taken within the scandal that is the migration

:43:08. > :43:11.crisis. What work is the home Secretary doing with her colleagues

:43:12. > :43:16.across the European Union to make sure that this issue is adequately

:43:17. > :43:20.tackled across all 28 Member States? First of all, I am encouraging other

:43:21. > :43:23.member state to take the steps that we are taking in terms of

:43:24. > :43:29.interesting new legislation adjective at the modern slavery act.

:43:30. > :43:29.Secondly, we are working with organised immigration crime --

:43:30. > :43:47.immigration crime. Quack I think that this is of enormous

:43:48. > :43:52.benefit because he is an expert in this area. Further to the question,

:43:53. > :43:57.could my right honourable friend set out in more detail the importance of

:43:58. > :44:01.the transparency and supply chains in the modern slavery act, and

:44:02. > :44:10.perhaps how it will be monitored in the future? Not to too much detail,

:44:11. > :44:13.given the time. I think that it has to import and fax. It makes

:44:14. > :44:17.companies think about the issues of the supply chains and whether there

:44:18. > :44:22.is slavery. Secondly, there are declarations as to what or no action

:44:23. > :44:29.they have taken, will be available to consumers, and they can make sure

:44:30. > :44:32.-- make choices. We are looking at a number of options for ensuring that

:44:33. > :44:40.that information is publicly available in one place. May I make

:44:41. > :44:45.the right honourable lady aware about doing excellent work in my

:44:46. > :44:49.constituency. I am shocked to hear the extent of modern slavery in this

:44:50. > :44:54.country. Does she think that people are sufficiently aware and what can

:44:55. > :44:59.she do to highlight that? Can I say to the honourable gentlemen we are

:45:00. > :45:03.are aware of the work of this organisation does. He is right. Most

:45:04. > :45:07.people in this country are shocked to know that shaped An slavery takes

:45:08. > :45:15.place, and would be more shocked to see the degree and extent of it. It

:45:16. > :45:17.is up to everyone in this house to make sure that everyone knows that

:45:18. > :45:38.they do. The government is and challenge Daesh's mitigation. I

:45:39. > :45:44.think the Minister for that response. Daesh is committing

:45:45. > :45:48.atrocities against others who do not agree with them with their way of

:45:49. > :45:52.life. What is the government doing to communicate those viscosities

:45:53. > :46:00.across the UK to prevent the spread of extreme it -- extremism across

:46:01. > :46:11.the UK. We have to challenge those extreme opinions. The UK's

:46:12. > :46:19.government highlights hyperbole is of Daesh. We work with those that I

:46:20. > :46:28.described a minute ago, 130 based community projects were delivered in

:46:29. > :46:32.2015, reaching 20 5000 people. That's 20 5000. I am glad that in

:46:33. > :46:36.this most solemn of matter and the honourable gentleman has been able

:46:37. > :46:44.to provide us with the political florist. Question number one served.

:46:45. > :46:57.Last week I was in Washington I think ministerial. A set that is

:46:58. > :47:01.really. 2014, Daesh directed, inspired, or enabled attacks in

:47:02. > :47:05.other countries worldwide. In 2015 there are almost 60 attacks, as well

:47:06. > :47:09.as well is to budget the tax tear it up by Daesh branches, including

:47:10. > :47:16.those in Libya and Egypt. This is a fight that cannot be won by five --

:47:17. > :47:27.fighting in isolation. We should be more open and sharing intelligence,

:47:28. > :47:30.and our expertise. We must organise our own efforts effectively to

:47:31. > :47:35.support vulnerable state and improve their ability to respond to the

:47:36. > :47:39.threat from terrorism. We made commitments to strengthen

:47:40. > :47:45.information sharing, enhanced efforts and discourage social media.

:47:46. > :47:49.This is the child's of our generation, and one that we will win

:47:50. > :47:53.by working together. Thank you Mr Speaker. I think my right honourable

:47:54. > :48:00.friend for her answer. But she acted with me that the creation of this

:48:01. > :48:03.was the step in the right direction, and this will change radically the

:48:04. > :48:09.future and take on more responsibilities? I agree with my

:48:10. > :48:12.honourable friend. It was important to create that directly elected

:48:13. > :48:15.individual, accountable to the public a little cruising. The call

:48:16. > :48:20.from police and crime commission is because you want to see that role of

:48:21. > :48:23.all. My right honourable friend are already in discussions about how

:48:24. > :48:29.this will might revolve and as to the criminal justice system stop

:48:30. > :48:35.can recommend the home Secretary on her announcement this began, and on

:48:36. > :48:41.her decision to put the national interest before self-interest.

:48:42. > :48:45.Unlike others. When she began at some secretary she took a

:48:46. > :48:50.Eurosceptic stance, opting out of dozens of EU measures. She has since

:48:51. > :48:55.opted back into many, most recently on the sharing of fingerprinting and

:48:56. > :49:00.DNA. Is it fair to say that the realities of office has shown her

:49:01. > :49:04.the value of EU cooperation in tackling crime and terrorism, and

:49:05. > :49:10.changed her mind on print's membership of the EU? I have always

:49:11. > :49:14.been very clear about the value of cooperation when it is in the

:49:15. > :49:18.British national interest. That is what of the 35 measures that we have

:49:19. > :49:25.decided to propose it this house should opt back into, and relation

:49:26. > :49:28.to critical 36, it was precisely because we believed it was of a

:49:29. > :49:35.national interest. I think I will take that as a yes Mr Speaker.

:49:36. > :49:40.Yesterday the Prime Minister was explicitly clear that our membership

:49:41. > :49:44.in the EU helps Britain fight terrorism. But, within minutes he

:49:45. > :49:51.was directly contradicted by one of his own cabinet members who claims

:49:52. > :49:57.that the each -- UK's EU membership made a terrorist attack are likely.

:49:58. > :50:02.Coming from an array senior members of the Cabinet, it is downright

:50:03. > :50:07.irresponsible. Will the home Secretary take this opportunity to

:50:08. > :50:14.reaffirm Government policy on this crucial issue and condemn this

:50:15. > :50:23.baseless scaremongering. Hear, hear! The government's issue is clear. I

:50:24. > :50:27.am clear that there are more areas in which cooperation with other

:50:28. > :50:31.Member States in the European Union is in our benefit in terms of the

:50:32. > :50:35.national security of this country and dealing with criminal matters.

:50:36. > :50:39.As I indicated earlier, and response to questions, we do take security at

:50:40. > :50:46.our borders seriously and that is why we have the checks that we do.

:50:47. > :50:52.The government has agreed to work when -- work and create new

:50:53. > :50:55.initiatives. Can the Minister confirm in the initiative will begin

:50:56. > :50:59.and which organizations the government will work with to help

:51:00. > :51:04.identify those children? Can I thank my honourable friend for her

:51:05. > :51:11.question. We are working with the NHC are in relation to development

:51:12. > :51:22.of a new initiative. Discussions are ongoing with the, we have had round

:51:23. > :51:27.table discussions. You will come back when our consideration has

:51:28. > :51:31.concluded. Thank you Mr Speaker. Following on in the vein of

:51:32. > :51:34.trafficking, I would like to ask the question of a constituent of I Blake

:51:35. > :51:38.cannot name because of her vulnerability. She was human traffic

:51:39. > :51:43.from Nigeria to the UK, held in domestic slavery in London, and

:51:44. > :51:46.escaped over ten years ago to my constituency. She now has a family

:51:47. > :51:52.and a husband. Her children were born in Scotland, but you cannot get

:51:53. > :51:55.help. Her the home office has not been helpful. Can the Minister meet

:51:56. > :52:01.with me and see what can be done to help his family settled in Scotland?

:52:02. > :52:05.Can I say to the honourable lady that she raises what appeared to be

:52:06. > :52:09.a serious individual case. If I may, Mr Speaker, if I can speak to the

:52:10. > :52:16.honourable lady after the station and obtained some more details we

:52:17. > :52:20.will respond. Thank you Mr Speaker. I met with a number of police

:52:21. > :52:28.officers and my constituency who have witnessed extreme trauma. The

:52:29. > :52:32.arrangements for their sick pay and their medical discharge and pension

:52:33. > :52:36.seem to be strikingly different to that of those who have suffered

:52:37. > :52:38.physical injury in the courts of their duty. Does my right honourable

:52:39. > :52:45.friend agree with the Vatican and the government's pursuit of parity

:52:46. > :52:50.between mental and physical illness, police forces should be ensuring

:52:51. > :52:55.that all injury or illness that is attributable to service is supported

:52:56. > :52:58.in the same way. I agree with my right honourable friend. Police

:52:59. > :53:02.officers are entitled to exactly the same sick leave and pay arrangements

:53:03. > :53:11.suffer a mental or a physical on this. Request is subject to same

:53:12. > :53:14.task, and is is possibility of chief constables that they provide for

:53:15. > :53:19.that in their local policies. I am also pleased to say that in October

:53:20. > :53:23.2014, the government allocated ?8 million to the blue light services

:53:24. > :53:27.programme to support the mental and physical well-being of emergency

:53:28. > :53:31.services personnel. The government have always justified their cuts to

:53:32. > :53:38.policing on the basis that crime has not gone up. Since 2010, we have

:53:39. > :53:45.lost more officers than any other force. Crime in Manchester is going

:53:46. > :53:49.up and going up faster than other metropolitan areas. As crime

:53:50. > :53:51.continues to rise, with the government reasonably be considered

:53:52. > :53:56.the production to the number of front line police officers? Lets go

:53:57. > :54:00.of this again. We as a government have not produced a number of police

:54:01. > :54:03.officers on the front line. And front line times, the percentage

:54:04. > :54:09.have gone up. One party that wanted to cut the police budget was the

:54:10. > :54:16.Labour Party. That was a people we do not to. Thank you Mr Speaker.

:54:17. > :54:22.What steps the secretary of state taking to see what we are doing to

:54:23. > :54:26.better protect the public. We are taking a number of steps as a piece

:54:27. > :54:30.of work that is being undertaken to ensure that we look at where

:54:31. > :54:36.capabilities should best light in terms of police reform. I just

:54:37. > :54:40.others this year and relation to this matter. I am happy to say that

:54:41. > :54:45.I have been able to have discussion on precisely this matter with an

:54:46. > :54:55.honourable friend who if he becomes mayor of London will continue this.

:54:56. > :55:01.The chief Rob Wainwright has ordered up to 5000 ices fighters in the EU.

:55:02. > :55:07.How does the home Secretary Phil that being in the EU makes us safer?

:55:08. > :55:11.The honourable gentleman will be aware that what is important for the

:55:12. > :55:15.United Kingdom and being in the European Union is that we are able

:55:16. > :55:20.to continue with the border controls that we have. Unlike those country

:55:21. > :55:29.and sang and, we will never be an changing, and read will maintain our

:55:30. > :55:34.security checks. Hear, hear! Mr Speaker! The Prime Minister has

:55:35. > :55:39.claimed that he has delivered on his promise that if an EU job seeker has

:55:40. > :55:44.not found work within six months they will be required to leave. A

:55:45. > :55:53.promise that he made to JCB workers on the 20th of November 20 14. In

:55:54. > :55:58.reply to my worker -- a written question, number 17574 in December

:55:59. > :56:01.of last year, the integration committee admitted that Aidan EU

:56:02. > :56:06.migrants and keep the status of the job seeker for longer than six

:56:07. > :56:09.months. Can the home secretary clarified who is right? The Prime

:56:10. > :56:15.Minister or the immigration minister? I think that we can safely

:56:16. > :56:19.say that the Prime Minister is right. In a few moments time he will

:56:20. > :56:28.be able to hew precisely how the Prime Minister has set up out. Mr

:56:29. > :56:32.Speaker, I was proud to be able to joint housing for women last week to

:56:33. > :56:40.celebrate the first anniversary of their operating the women's refuge.

:56:41. > :56:43.They support 38 women and children and 2015. Unfortunately, not all

:56:44. > :56:50.refugees are in the same position. 30 have closed over the last year.

:56:51. > :56:54.42% of crisis and is not having money beyond next month. Can the

:56:55. > :56:59.home Secretary do everything she can to ensure that no woman is forced to

:57:00. > :57:06.return home to a violent partner and possibly her death? The honourable

:57:07. > :57:11.lady, I remember the days when she and I both served on the Council for

:57:12. > :57:14.the London Borough of Merton. She continues to take in this issue

:57:15. > :57:17.domestic violence and support for the victims and survivors of

:57:18. > :57:21.domestic violence. Of course, the government has put extra money into

:57:22. > :57:25.refugees. We have been able to do that and we have also been ensuring

:57:26. > :57:28.that we support money for various domestic violence services. This is

:57:29. > :57:36.a terrible time -- crime and we need to deal with that. What assessment

:57:37. > :57:43.has been made about a number of connections made by police forces

:57:44. > :57:49.for child abuse images date is basis to be launched? My honourable friend

:57:50. > :57:53.raise and important issues. Child abuse image database. Something that

:57:54. > :57:59.this government into dues and is leading the world in terms of

:58:00. > :58:04.tackling indecent images of children online. We now have all 43 forces

:58:05. > :58:16.connected to the image database. We are starting to see real results in

:58:17. > :58:23.protecting children. Where police, fire and rescue services,. Will the

:58:24. > :58:29.Minister did a guarantee that whatever happened that there that --

:58:30. > :58:37.that they would allow the services provided to be privatised? The whole

:58:38. > :58:40.reason for enabling police and crime commission is to bring together

:58:41. > :58:45.policing and fire and rescue services is to be able to offer

:58:46. > :58:47.enhanced services. In looking at a decision to be on a local level, a

:58:48. > :59:01.business it -- case will Mr Speaker, the commission I would

:59:02. > :59:05.like to make a statement on the agreements reached in Brussels last

:59:06. > :59:09.week. First let me say a word about the migration crisis which was also

:59:10. > :59:13.discussed at the European Council. We agreed that we needed to press

:59:14. > :59:18.ahead with strengthening the use borders to ensure that not the

:59:19. > :59:24.charges are returned promptly and back the new mission that has

:59:25. > :59:29.brought the criminal gangs to put them in peoples slides and the risk.

:59:30. > :59:33.Britain. But the Constitution and all of these areas. Turning to

:59:34. > :59:36.Britain's place in Europe. I have spent the last nine months ending

:59:37. > :59:41.out the four areas are ready for form and beating with all other 27

:59:42. > :59:44.EU heads of state and government to reach an agreed with that delivers

:59:45. > :59:50.concrete reforms and all four areas. Let me take each in turn. First, but

:59:51. > :59:54.as jobs and businesses depend on being able to trade with Europe on a

:59:55. > :00:00.level praying field. The one new protection for our economy to

:00:01. > :00:03.safeguard the proud and promote our financial services industry to

:00:04. > :00:06.protect British taxpayers from because the problems in the euro

:00:07. > :00:10.zone and to ensure that we have a full say over the rules of a single

:00:11. > :00:15.market while remaining outside the euro zone. We got all those things.

:00:16. > :00:18.We have not is probably the fact of the towns and our right to keep it

:00:19. > :00:23.but we have ensured that we cannot discriminate against. Responsibility

:00:24. > :00:26.for supervising the financial stability of the UK, will always

:00:27. > :00:44.remain in the hands of the Bank of England. We

:00:45. > :00:48.have not be made to bail out countries in the euro zone, they

:00:49. > :00:50.made sure that the euro zone cannot act as a block to undermine the

:00:51. > :00:53.integrity of these free-trade single market. We guarantee that produced

:00:54. > :00:55.this is one of faith and he does commission for being outside the

:00:56. > :00:57.euro zone. For example, our financial service firms, our number

:00:58. > :01:00.one service export, employing over a million people can ever be forced to

:01:01. > :01:02.relocate inside the euro zone if they want to undertake complex

:01:03. > :01:05.trades and Europe, just because they're based in the UK. These with

:01:06. > :01:07.taxes and not to set out in a legally binding agreements, off 28

:01:08. > :01:10.member states will also clear that these reviews will be changed, to

:01:11. > :01:15.incorporate the protections of the UK as the economy that is inside the

:01:16. > :01:26.EU, but outside the euro zone. We also agree that a to enable 9 euros

:01:27. > :01:28.on countries to raise issues of concern, and we won the battle to

:01:29. > :01:31.ensure that this could be triggered by one country alone. Of course the

:01:32. > :01:34.distance would be available if he were to leave the EU. We wanted

:01:35. > :01:37.commitments to make Europe more competitive, creating jobs, and

:01:38. > :01:42.making British families more financially secure. Again, we got

:01:43. > :01:46.them. Europe will complete the single market and key areas that

:01:47. > :01:52.will help Britain. And services making it easier for thousands of UK

:01:53. > :01:59.service bays companies like IT firms to trade in Europe. In the capital

:02:00. > :02:07.so UK startups can access more for their business and an energy. We

:02:08. > :02:10.have secured commitments to complete trade and investment agreements with

:02:11. > :02:15.the fastest-growing and most dynamic economies around the world.

:02:16. > :02:19.Including the USA, Japan, China as well as our Commonwealth allies,

:02:20. > :02:24.India, New Zealand and Australia. These deals could add billions of

:02:25. > :02:29.pounds and thousands of jobs. Of course, they build on the deals we

:02:30. > :02:33.already have with the three countries around the world for which

:02:34. > :02:35.Britain has been accredited to the negotiating muscle that comes from

:02:36. > :02:41.being part of the world largest trading bloc. This is bigger, of

:02:42. > :02:45.course country after country has said that they could find trade

:02:46. > :02:50.deals with Britain, but they have also said that their priority would

:02:51. > :02:54.be trade deals with the EU. By their nature, these EU deals would be

:02:55. > :02:59.bigger and better, a deal with Britain would not even be possible

:03:00. > :03:02.until we have settled our position outside of the EU. This is bigger,

:03:03. > :03:07.for those members who care about finding new trade deals outside of

:03:08. > :03:49.the EU, we would be looking at years and years of delay.

:03:50. > :03:53.Last but by no means least on competitiveness, one of the biggest

:03:54. > :03:55.frustrations for Britain's business is red tape and bureaucracy. There

:03:56. > :03:58.will be partners to cut the total burden of EU regulation on business.

:03:59. > :04:00.This build on the progress that we have already made, with the

:04:01. > :04:03.commission already cutting the number of initiatives by 80%. In the

:04:04. > :04:06.that the cost of EU red tape will be going down, not up. Of course if we

:04:07. > :04:08.were to leave the EU, but ultimately achieve a deal, with access to the

:04:09. > :04:11.single market like Norway. Who would be subject to all of the EU

:04:12. > :04:14.regulation when selling in the euro. But with no say over the world. As

:04:15. > :04:17.the former Europe spokesman for the no reason conservative party, if you

:04:18. > :04:20.want to run Europe you must be an euro. If you want to be run by

:04:21. > :04:22.Europe, feel free to join nor Ray. Third, we want to reduce the very

:04:23. > :04:25.high level of migration within the unique -- EQ by preventing our role

:04:26. > :04:28.for system to act as a magnet for people to come to our country. After

:04:29. > :04:30.the hard work of the home Secretary we have secured new powers against

:04:31. > :04:34.criminals of the country and power to stop them from coming here in the

:04:35. > :04:36.first is empowered to do for them if they already here. We agreed a

:04:37. > :04:39.longer reentry bands for fraudsters and people who collude and then into

:04:40. > :04:42.the ridiculous situation for EU nationals can avoid British

:04:43. > :04:47.immigration rules when bringing their feminism outside the EU.

:04:48. > :04:51.Disagreement broke new ground with the European Council agreed to

:04:52. > :04:56.reverse positions from the European Court of Justice. We also secured a

:04:57. > :05:00.breakthrough agreement for Britain to reduce the unnatural drawl that I

:05:01. > :05:05.benefit system exerts across Europe. Therefore he made sure that EU

:05:06. > :05:09.migrants cannot claim the new employment benefit or universal

:05:10. > :05:13.credit. Those coming that have not found work within six months cannot

:05:14. > :05:17.be required to leave. At this counsel we agree that EU migrants

:05:18. > :05:22.working in Britain can be prevented from sending Child benefit home at

:05:23. > :05:26.UK rates. This would apply first some new claimants and then to

:05:27. > :05:32.existing claimants on the start of 2020. We also establish a new break

:05:33. > :05:36.so that EU migrants would have to wait for years until they have full

:05:37. > :05:43.access to our benefit. Mr Speaker, people for the it was impossible to

:05:44. > :05:49.achieve real change in our area. Yet, that is what we have done, we

:05:50. > :05:55.have got the benefit. What is activated, once activated, the

:05:56. > :06:01.emergency brake will be in place for seven years. If it began to lecture

:06:02. > :06:07.it will still be operating in 2024. There will be people who won't be

:06:08. > :06:16.getting 40 benefits until 2028. Bass full benefits. People should not be

:06:17. > :06:21.able to come there and get access to our benefit to them straightaway. No

:06:22. > :06:26.were something for nothing. I'm sure the discussion about welfare and

:06:27. > :06:31.immigration, will be intense, let me make this point. No country outside

:06:32. > :06:36.of the EU has agreed full access to the single market without accepting

:06:37. > :06:41.paying into the EU, and accepting free movement. In addition, our new

:06:42. > :06:46.safeguard lives if we vote the leave the EU. We might end up with free

:06:47. > :06:52.movement, but without these new protections. The fourth area, where

:06:53. > :06:57.we wanted to make significant changes was to protect our country

:06:58. > :07:01.from further European political integration, and to increased powers

:07:02. > :07:05.for our national parliament. Ever since we joined, Europe has been on

:07:06. > :07:10.the path to something ever closer union. It means a political union.

:07:11. > :07:16.We have never liked it or wanted it. And now, principal be permanently

:07:17. > :07:20.and legally excluded from it. The text that is, the treaties will be

:07:21. > :07:25.changed to make clear, and I quote, the Treaty represents for an ever

:07:26. > :07:30.closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom. This is bigger, as a

:07:31. > :07:35.result of this negotiation, perfect in every part of a European Union

:07:36. > :07:38.superstate. The council also agreed that ever closer union which has

:07:39. > :07:43.been referred to, and previous estimates from the European Court of

:07:44. > :07:47.Justice, does not offer a legal basis, for extending the scope of

:07:48. > :07:52.any provisions of the charges, or any you secretary the translation.

:07:53. > :07:56.People used to talk about a multispeed Europe, now we have a

:07:57. > :07:59.clear agreement that not only are different countries able to travel

:08:00. > :08:04.at different speeds, but they are ultimately able to head to different

:08:05. > :08:09.destinations as well. I would argue that that is a fundamental change in

:08:10. > :08:12.the wait is over additional work. We also strengthen the role of this

:08:13. > :08:18.house and on national parliament, we already passed a referendum act, to

:08:19. > :08:20.make sure that no powers can be handed to Brussels without this

:08:21. > :08:23.house and on national parliament, we already passed a referendum act, to

:08:24. > :08:25.make sure that no powers can be handed to Brussels with updates with

:08:26. > :08:28.the consent of the British the position we don't want, we can get

:08:29. > :08:32.together with other parliaments and block it with a red card. And we

:08:33. > :08:36.have a new mechanism to enforce the principle that as far as possible,

:08:37. > :08:43.powers to sit here and Westminster, not to Brussels. The European Union

:08:44. > :08:46.has to go through the powers of the exercise and work-out which are no

:08:47. > :08:53.longer needed and should be returned to Michigan State. In recent years

:08:54. > :08:55.we have also seen attempt to bypass are off out on Justice and home

:08:56. > :09:07.affairs by bringing forward legislation. The agreements and Les

:09:08. > :09:13.Bleus Council ensures that this can never happen again. The reforms that

:09:14. > :09:16.we have secured will be legally binding in international law and

:09:17. > :09:22.will be deposited as a Treaty at the UN. They cannot be unpacked that the

:09:23. > :09:27.agreement of the prison every other EU countries. As I have said, I'll

:09:28. > :09:30.28 member states that the treaty will be changed to incorporate

:09:31. > :09:34.advertisers for the UK as an economy outside the euro zone, and our

:09:35. > :09:39.permanent exclusion from ever closer union. Mr Speaker, our special

:09:40. > :09:45.status means that Britain can have the both best of both worlds. Who

:09:46. > :09:48.will be in the path of Europe that work for us, and so it's a affect

:09:49. > :09:53.us, in the driving seat of the worlds biggest single market, and

:09:54. > :10:32.with the ability to take action to keep our people safe. We will be

:10:33. > :10:37.out of the parts of Europe that do not work for us. Out of the euro, as

:10:38. > :10:39.of the euro zone bailouts come out of the passport periods no border

:10:40. > :10:42.area and permanently and legally protected from ever being part of a

:10:43. > :10:45.ever closer union. Of course there is still more to do, I am the first

:10:46. > :10:47.to say, that there is though many ways and was organisation needs to

:10:48. > :10:49.improve. The task of reforming Europe does not and with plastics

:10:50. > :10:52.agreement. With the special status that the settlement gives the I do

:10:53. > :10:54.believe that the time has come to fulfilling the other final

:10:55. > :10:57.commitment that this government made and that is to hold a referendum. Mr

:10:58. > :10:59.Speaker, this Speaker, I am today commended the process set out from

:11:00. > :11:02.our act and to propose that the British people decide our future and

:11:03. > :11:04.Europe to an in and out referendum on Thursday the 23rd of June. The

:11:05. > :11:07.Foreign Secretary is late and both houses and the government is

:11:08. > :11:09.negotiating it. This is built into the duty to publish information, set

:11:10. > :11:11.out in section six of the European Union referendum and that the

:11:12. > :11:13.Cabinet agreed on Saturday, the government of Zimbabwe to recommend

:11:14. > :11:19.that person remains in a reformed European Union. This is a vital

:11:20. > :11:24.decision for the future of our country, I agree that we should also

:11:25. > :11:28.be clear that it is a final decision. An idea has been put

:11:29. > :11:32.forward that in the country votes to leave. We can have a second

:11:33. > :11:38.renegotiation and perhaps another referendum. I want to vote on the

:11:39. > :11:40.irony that some people who want to vote to leave, apparently want to

:11:41. > :12:05.use a leave to remain. Such an approach, also ignores more profound

:12:06. > :12:09.point about democracy, diplomacy and the galaxy. This is a straight

:12:10. > :12:14.Democratic position. Staying in or leaving and no government can ignore

:12:15. > :12:22.that. Having a second renegotiation followed by a second referendum is

:12:23. > :12:25.not on the ballot paper. And for a promise are to ignore the expressed

:12:26. > :12:31.will of the British people to leave the EU, we are not just from but it

:12:32. > :12:35.would be undemocratic. On the diplomacy, the idea that the other

:12:36. > :12:39.European countries will be ready to start a second negotiation is for

:12:40. > :12:44.the birds. Many are under pressure for what they have already agreed.

:12:45. > :12:48.Then there is a legality and I want to start off as point for the house

:12:49. > :12:52.carefully because it is important. If the British people told to leave,

:12:53. > :12:57.there is only one way to bring that about. That is to trigger article 50

:12:58. > :13:01.of the treaties and begin the process of exit. The British people

:13:02. > :13:05.would rightly expect that that should start straightaway. That may

:13:06. > :13:10.be absolutely clear about how this works. As triggers a two your time

:13:11. > :13:15.period to negotiate the residence for an exit. At the end of the

:13:16. > :13:20.stairs, is no group what is in place, then exit is automatic and

:13:21. > :13:28.left everybody in the other states agrees to a delay. We should be

:13:29. > :13:31.clear that this process is not a invitation to rejoin, it is a

:13:32. > :13:36.process for leaving. I have known a number of couples who have began

:13:37. > :13:39.divorce proceedings, but I do not know an event begun divorce

:13:40. > :13:54.proceedings and order to renew their marriage vows. LAUGHTER that may

:13:55. > :14:01.explain, I want to explain what happens when section 50. We should

:14:02. > :14:07.also be clear... We should also be clear, what would happen if that

:14:08. > :14:10.deal to leave was not done within two years. Our current access to the

:14:11. > :14:14.single market would cease immediately, after two your throat.

:14:15. > :14:18.The current trade agreements with the difficulties across the world

:14:19. > :14:23.would lapse. This cannot be described as anything other than

:14:24. > :14:27.risk, uncertainty and a lead in the dark that could hurt working people

:14:28. > :14:32.and our country for years to come. This is not some theoretical

:14:33. > :14:44.question, this is a real decision about peoples lives.

:14:45. > :14:49.When it comes the people stops, it is simply not enough to say it will

:14:50. > :14:51.be all right on the night that will work it out. I believe that

:14:52. > :14:54.intermixed the company to properly face up to the economic consequences

:14:55. > :14:56.of a choice to leave. Mr Speaker, I believe that Britain will be

:14:57. > :14:58.stronger, safer and better off by remaining in a reformed European

:14:59. > :15:01.Union. Stronger, because we can play a leading role in one of the worlds

:15:02. > :15:04.largest organizations from within. Helping to make sure the big

:15:05. > :15:08.decisions on trade and security that determine our future. Safer, because

:15:09. > :15:12.the can work with our European partners to fight cross-border crime

:15:13. > :15:16.and terrorism. And better off because businesses will have full

:15:17. > :15:24.access to the free-trade single market, bringing jobs, investment

:15:25. > :15:26.and lower prices. Mr Speaker, there will be much debate about

:15:27. > :15:29.sovereignty and rightly so, to me, what matters most is the pattern to

:15:30. > :15:34.get things done for our people and our country. Leaving the EU may

:15:35. > :15:38.briefly make us feel more sovereign, but would actually give us more

:15:39. > :15:43.power or influence and a greater ability to get things done? If we

:15:44. > :15:47.leave, but we have the power to stop opposite is being discriminated

:15:48. > :15:51.against? No! But we have the power to insist that Europeans countries

:15:52. > :15:55.share with us their bold information so that we know what there is that

:15:56. > :15:59.criminals are doing? No! We have more influence over the decisions

:16:00. > :16:03.that affect the prosperity and security epistemic? Know we won't!

:16:04. > :16:07.We are a great country! Whatever it was the make, we will still be

:16:08. > :16:13.great! I believe the choice, is between being and even greater brain

:16:14. > :16:17.inside how to reform the EU, or a great leap into the unknown! The

:16:18. > :16:20.Times is facing the West and how to reform the EU, or a great leap into

:16:21. > :16:23.the unknown! The Times is facing the West today Vladimir Putin aggression

:16:24. > :16:28.and eases the most extremism to the south, this is in no time to divide

:16:29. > :16:32.the web. When faced with challenges, and to our way of life, our values

:16:33. > :16:38.and freedoms, this is it time for strength in numbers. Mr Speaker, let

:16:39. > :16:45.me end by saying, I am not standing for reelection. I have no other

:16:46. > :16:50.agenda I have no other agenda than what is best for our country. I am

:16:51. > :16:53.standing here telling you what I think. My responsibility as prime

:16:54. > :16:58.minister is to speak plainly about what I believe is right for our

:16:59. > :17:01.country. That that is what I will do every day for the next four months.

:17:02. > :17:12.I commend the statements of the house! Thinking is bigger. I would

:17:13. > :17:15.like to think the promise of four advanced notice of the statement.

:17:16. > :17:27.And I visited him in a long time to write it because I receded a but

:17:28. > :17:32.it's as afternoon. -- I received it at 3pm this afternoon. The people of

:17:33. > :17:35.Britain face in-store price on the 23rd of June on whether to remain

:17:36. > :17:40.part of the European Union went to leave. We welcome the fact that it

:17:41. > :17:52.is now the hands of the people on this issue. We are wanting to stay

:17:53. > :17:54.and because he believed that the European Union has brought

:17:55. > :17:57.investment jobs and protection for work of consumers and the

:17:58. > :18:04.environment. We are convinced that a vote to remain as of the best

:18:05. > :18:08.interest of the people. And the 21st-century Mr Speaker, as a

:18:09. > :18:12.country and a consummate and as the human race. We faced with

:18:13. > :18:17.challenging issues. How to tackle climate change, how to address the

:18:18. > :18:22.power of global corporations, how to ensure that they pay state taxes.

:18:23. > :18:28.How to tackle cyber crime and terrorism, I would trade fairly and

:18:29. > :18:31.protect jobs and pay in an era of globalisation. How we address the

:18:32. > :18:38.causes of the huge refugee movement across the world. How would add that

:18:39. > :18:44.to a world where people of all countries, move more frequently to

:18:45. > :18:47.live, work and retire. All of these issues are serious, pressing and

:18:48. > :18:52.self-evidently can only be solved by international cooperation. The

:18:53. > :18:58.European Union will be a vital part of how we as a country meet those

:18:59. > :19:02.challenges. Therefore Mr Speaker. That is more than disappointing that

:19:03. > :19:08.the prime Minister Steele has failed to address a single one of those

:19:09. > :19:16.issues. Last week, like him, I was in Brussels, meeting with heads of

:19:17. > :19:17.governments and leaders of European Union Socialist party. One of them

:19:18. > :19:57.said to me, what they said, if the party opposite of what

:19:58. > :20:01.had to think for a moment about what's going on. One person said to

:20:02. > :20:07.me, I follows quite profound, he said we are discussing the future of

:20:08. > :20:12.a continent. And one English Tory has reduced it to the issue of

:20:13. > :20:16.taking away benefits from workers and children. The reality Mr

:20:17. > :20:20.Speaker, is that this entire negotiation has not been about the

:20:21. > :20:26.challenges facing our confidence, neither has it been about the issues

:20:27. > :20:31.facing the people of Britain it is a theatrical sideshow about trying to

:20:32. > :20:36.appease or failing to appease the half of the Prime Minister is all

:20:37. > :20:41.the conservative party. That is not to say that there has not been

:20:42. > :20:46.somewhat worthwhile changes. The Redcar assist him, to strengthen the

:20:47. > :20:53.house of national parliament is something we and these mentors have

:20:54. > :20:59.long back, the labor and elastin last in Iraq's election. It was not

:21:00. > :21:03.of the conservative man manifesto but we welcome this. We also welcome

:21:04. > :21:09.the symbolic amendment on ever closer union. Britain's

:21:10. > :21:15.long-standing position not to join has been such an accepted. We see

:21:16. > :21:22.the influence of Tory party funders, on a Prime Minister vessel status,

:21:23. > :21:26.not for Britain but the city of London. It is the same essence of

:21:27. > :21:34.that caused his the Chancellor to rush to Europe with an army of

:21:35. > :21:39.lawyers to oppose any regulation of the grotesque level of bankers

:21:40. > :21:46.bonuses. It is necessary to protect the rights of 9 euros on states, but

:21:47. > :21:52.not to undermine EU wide efforts to regulate the financial sector,

:21:53. > :21:59.including the border. Liberals stand for a different approach. That's a

:22:00. > :22:06.labor. That is why members of the European Parliament is a opposing

:22:07. > :22:11.the transatlantic trade negotiations was trying to undermine national

:22:12. > :22:18.sovereignty, push the privatsation of public services, drive down

:22:19. > :22:22.standards for workers and consumers, Mr Speaker, human rights should be

:22:23. > :22:26.but part of that treaty. I believe it should be happy feature of all

:22:27. > :22:33.trade treaties. Then, there is the so-called emergency brake. We

:22:34. > :22:37.support the principle of Peart Constitution. However, does the

:22:38. > :22:41.evidence not back-up the claim that an overt benefits are significant

:22:42. > :22:46.draw for workers who come to Britain from the European Union. The changes

:22:47. > :22:50.he promised is secured do nothing to address the real challenges of low

:22:51. > :22:54.pay and prevent undercutting of local rates rates and and is derived

:22:55. > :22:59.pay agreements, they won't put a penny in the pockets of workers and

:23:00. > :23:04.Britain nor will they stop the grotesque exploitation of many

:23:05. > :23:08.migrant workers, or reduce migration to Britain. Will the promised to

:23:09. > :23:13.tell us what discussions he has had to get European roles and place to

:23:14. > :23:17.protect the going rates and to stop agencies bragging and cheap labor,

:23:18. > :23:19.to undercut workers and Britain, while the exploit to undercut

:23:20. > :23:24.workers and Britain, while exploiting the martyr for his? The

:23:25. > :23:27.Dees the two of the EU leaders about outlawing the so-called Buddhist

:23:28. > :23:30.derogation from the edge workers directive for which threatens to

:23:31. > :23:35.undermine one of the key achievements of the last Labour

:23:36. > :23:41.government by allowing them to use them agency staff to undercut other

:23:42. > :23:47.workers? These would have been positive and worthwhile discussions

:23:48. > :23:52.to tackle low-paid, reduce benefit cost and protect workers. We must on

:23:53. > :23:55.all of the speaker, be clear that Britain has benefited from

:23:56. > :24:01.migration. From EU workers coming into wrecking our industry to our

:24:02. > :24:04.other public services to fill gaps. The thousands of doctors and nurses

:24:05. > :24:11.who work in our national health service is saving lives every day.

:24:12. > :24:13.The European Union has delivered protection from workers, it would

:24:14. > :24:18.labor that made sure that Britain's EU membership if work is right to

:24:19. > :24:21.make minimum paid leave and protection on working time is ripe

:24:22. > :24:25.for agency workers, paid maternity and paternity leave, equal pay,

:24:26. > :24:30.anti-discrimination laws, and protection for the work force with

:24:31. > :24:33.companies changed ownership. It was labor working partnership with the

:24:34. > :24:36.parties and unions across Europe that makes of the vehicle promise of

:24:37. > :24:43.the vehicle promise of attempt to diminish workers rights was kept off

:24:44. > :24:47.the agenda of these EU negotiations. Labor has supported, move to reduce

:24:48. > :24:53.child benefits and nonresident children as a reasonable amendment,

:24:54. > :24:56.however we also welcome protection for 20 and so that families have the

:24:57. > :25:03.ability of income. The prominence it still includes consignments. But it

:25:04. > :25:06.a closet and irrelevant to the choice facing the British people.

:25:07. > :25:08.Not one to go I facing the British people. Not one fickle element that

:25:09. > :25:12.is a significant impact on the Kevin Kisner and stay in. We welcome

:25:13. > :25:19.the fact the theatrical sideshow is over. We want to make a real case

:25:20. > :25:28.that will be put by my friend the Member for who really are camping.

:25:29. > :25:34.Labor believes the EU is a model framework for European trade and

:25:35. > :25:38.cooperation in the 21st century. Not only what the EU delivered today but

:25:39. > :25:42.as a framework through which we can achieve much more in the future. To

:25:43. > :25:46.deliver these progressive reforms that I have referred to, when he to

:25:47. > :25:50.work with our partners and Europe to achieve them. Therefore, we must

:25:51. > :25:55.ensure that remain a member. That is the case are going to be making for

:25:56. > :26:00.a Europe that is socially cohesive, a Europe that share the benefit of

:26:01. > :26:04.wealth and prosperity amongst all of its citizens. But as the case we are

:26:05. > :26:07.making as Labour Party, as a trade union movement in this country and

:26:08. > :26:14.we look forward to that public debate. By Magomed have the opposite

:26:15. > :26:18.spin for his contribution. He and I disagree on a lot of things about

:26:19. > :26:22.economic policy about social policy about welfare policy, and did you

:26:23. > :26:25.even disagree on the approach we should take within and Europe as a

:26:26. > :26:29.gas as demonstrated in his the spots, but we do both agree about

:26:30. > :26:34.one thing, which says that Britain should be in there fighting for a

:26:35. > :26:37.good deal for our country. I were a little for the ombudsman because he

:26:38. > :26:42.will be accused of fossils of things. Some of the verism of the

:26:43. > :26:45.unfair. If the Texas courts will be accused of being a member of the

:26:46. > :26:51.establishment. That'll be the most unfair attack of all. What he said

:26:52. > :26:56.about the deal, than they make two points about why I think he should

:26:57. > :27:00.welcome the deal, the first is that implements, as far as I can see him

:27:01. > :27:04.as every pledged on Europe and the Labour manifesto, I'm looking at the

:27:05. > :27:07.former leader. They pledged to complete the former leader. They

:27:08. > :27:11.pledged to complete physical market, they pledged for budget discipline.

:27:12. > :27:16.They said that we will ensure that EU rules protect the interest of 9

:27:17. > :27:20.euros members. He went on and said that people coming to Britain from

:27:21. > :27:23.the EU to look for work, are expected to contribute to our

:27:24. > :27:30.economy and to our society so that we will secure is to immigration and

:27:31. > :27:42.Social Security reform. It also says and I quote," we would work to

:27:43. > :27:48.strengthen,... I'm just reminding my new friend what they said that the

:27:49. > :27:51.election. They said this "We will work just as the influence of

:27:52. > :27:54.national parliaments over Europe in the session by our group for Redcar

:27:55. > :28:01.mechanism for never states." Excellent. Where I think the right

:28:02. > :28:05.of him was unfair is that he's said that this deal was really all about

:28:06. > :28:10.Britain, and not about anyone else. I would point out the Slovakian

:28:11. > :28:13.Prime Minister said good, the myth about every quote didn't have

:28:14. > :28:17.followed. The Hungarian prime minister said that the UK managed to

:28:18. > :28:22.put an end to the practice of creeping power withdraw from

:28:23. > :28:28.national member states. The former president of the commission said

:28:29. > :28:31.that the real consequence of the summit is missionary important.

:28:32. > :28:38.Brussels has an shot a multispeed Europe. This is beneficial to your.

:28:39. > :28:41.Where I disagreed with the ombudsman is I think that these trade deals

:28:42. > :28:47.are good for Britain and is to redo them we the better. I think he's

:28:48. > :28:53.wrong about financial services. That was well received -- and outside of

:28:54. > :28:56.the southern city of London and five. Crucially, what the single

:28:57. > :29:01.market means is that with one establishment and Britain, you can

:29:02. > :29:10.trade throughout the European Union. Booze it and do the job going for

:29:11. > :29:15.Labor government than the care we have all had our difficulties with

:29:16. > :29:18.your. We have all went to the debug the damn. But if I want to get

:29:19. > :29:24.powers in turn, we have all found that because of I love for this

:29:25. > :29:29.house, we found this process trying but at the end of the day we always

:29:30. > :29:38.know when it comes to our economy and prosperity we're

:29:39. > :29:47.will be Prime Minister agree that if he refers to the continental press

:29:48. > :29:52.he will see that he has demonstrated the influence of a British prime

:29:53. > :29:58.minister. He has actually -- it will be difficult for the fellow Prime

:29:59. > :30:01.Minister is to sell to their own political establishment. Does he

:30:02. > :30:05.agree with me that future generations will benefit from some

:30:06. > :30:13.of those concessions, particularly those on and marching the single

:30:14. > :30:17.market, guaranteeing our excess, deregulating, and regular eating

:30:18. > :30:22.trade deals. Is he agree that it is not the politics of fear to point

:30:23. > :30:30.out that those who advocate a no vote don't seem to know what a no

:30:31. > :30:36.vote means? If they continually imply that somehow all of the

:30:37. > :30:40.benefits that flow from Europe in terms of jobs, investment,

:30:41. > :30:44.insecurity, will somehow continue to come here when they have swept away

:30:45. > :30:50.the obligations that previous British governments have always

:30:51. > :30:54.accepted? I am grateful for my right honourable friend says. In terms of

:30:55. > :30:58.what... It has been interesting on what some of the four newspapers

:30:59. > :31:02.have set. I will get you one example. Spanish paper has said that

:31:03. > :31:08.British execs in reality beaches new heights yesterday. No other country

:31:09. > :31:11.to its more acceptance in Europe. I am proud of that fact. We do have a

:31:12. > :31:14.different status in Europe, and that has become more special with the

:31:15. > :31:18.changes that we have made. I think that the point that my friend makes

:31:19. > :31:22.is absolutely right. They recognise that there are disadvantages for

:31:23. > :31:25.being in the European Union, I make no bones about that. I can that be

:31:26. > :31:29.but his people in the eye and say this is what it is going to be like

:31:30. > :31:32.if we state them. It was going to be better because of the deal that we

:31:33. > :31:35.have done. The people that are advising us to leave have to spell

:31:36. > :31:41.out what the consequences of leaving are, and I think that the absolute

:31:42. > :31:45.lodestar is that no country has been able to get full access to the

:31:46. > :31:49.single market without accepting either paying into the EU are

:31:50. > :31:53.accepting free movement. If you don't want to accept those two

:31:54. > :31:57.things, I think you have to start accepting that you are not going to

:31:58. > :32:00.get as good of trade and business position as we have today. People

:32:01. > :32:06.that want to be going to start making up their mind. Do you want a

:32:07. > :32:10.Norway deal? A Switzerland deal, a candidate deal? I don't care which

:32:11. > :32:18.deal you like, but we had to tell people because they deserve an

:32:19. > :32:21.answer. May I begin by thinking the Prime Minister for advanced side of

:32:22. > :32:25.the statement. The referendum choice before the electorate is a huge one

:32:26. > :32:30.which will define our relationship with the rest of Europe, and indeed

:32:31. > :32:36.the nations of the United Kingdom. Scotland is a European nation, and

:32:37. > :32:40.the SNP is a European party. We will campaign positively to remain in the

:32:41. > :32:44.EU, hopefully the Prime Minister can confirm today that he will reject

:32:45. > :32:51.the tactics of project fear and make a positive case for remaining part

:32:52. > :32:54.of a reforming European Union. It is hugely important to be a part of the

:32:55. > :33:00.largest market in the world, and to be able to influence its rules and

:33:01. > :33:09.laws. In rolling matters that the -- it matters that we can co-operate

:33:10. > :33:12.for rights. We should also forget the lessons of European history, and

:33:13. > :33:17.not turn our backs on European neighbours who need help at this

:33:18. > :33:26.time to deal with a huge challenge including migration. Mr Speaker.

:33:27. > :33:31.Public opinion in Scotland, a majority, supports membership of the

:33:32. > :33:37.European Union. Every single Scottish MP -- MP supports

:33:38. > :33:46.. Does the Prime Minister have any idea what the consequences would be

:33:47. > :33:52.of Scotland being taken out of the EU against the wish of the Scottish

:33:53. > :33:57.electorate? I want Scotland and the rest of the UK to remain within the

:33:58. > :34:02.European Union. However, if we are forced out of the EU, I am certain

:34:03. > :34:06.about public in Scotland will to read -- demand a referendum on

:34:07. > :34:13.Scottish independence and we will protect our place in Europe. First

:34:14. > :34:18.of all, I can confirm that I will make a positive case. A case based

:34:19. > :34:22.around there and being stronger, safer, and better off. This is a

:34:23. > :34:26.choice. I think that it is very important that we set out the toys,

:34:27. > :34:30.and the alternative, to the British people. This is the most important

:34:31. > :34:33.decision that people are going to make on a political issue

:34:34. > :34:36.potentially and their lifetimes. I don't want anyone to take a step

:34:37. > :34:39.into the dark without properly thinking through what the

:34:40. > :34:43.consequences are. One thing I actually agree with the honourable

:34:44. > :34:47.gentleman about, is that although Brussels and the institutions can be

:34:48. > :34:50.frustrating, we should never forget what brought this institution into

:34:51. > :34:55.being and the first place. Even at the most frustrating time of talks,

:34:56. > :34:59.you look around the table and think of how these countries fought and

:35:00. > :35:03.killed each other for so long. The dialogue that they take together is

:35:04. > :35:12.positive. In terms of the boat in Scotland, this is one UK boat. Hear,

:35:13. > :35:17.hear! -- vote. My right honourable friend has just spoken about

:35:18. > :35:22.national parliaments, democracy, and our sovereignty. In the Bloomberg

:35:23. > :35:26.speech, he made it clear that he regarded our national parliament as

:35:27. > :35:30.being the root of our democracy. Yesterday, he referred to the

:35:31. > :35:38.Aleutian of sovereignty. -- illusion of sovereignty. Will he explain and

:35:39. > :35:42.repudiate that statement and reference to the question before us

:35:43. > :35:47.in relation to our parliament and democracy in the making of our laws,

:35:48. > :35:51.which at this moment in time under the European committees act, are

:35:52. > :35:57.made by a majority vote of other countries, are introduced by it an

:35:58. > :36:02.unelected commission, and are enforced by a court of justice. This

:36:03. > :36:08.is not excepted the only way of out of that is to lead the European

:36:09. > :36:11.Union? First of all, I have huge respect for my European --

:36:12. > :36:16.honourable friend who has campaigned for many years. One thing that he

:36:17. > :36:19.will welcome is that we are allowing the British people a choice to stay

:36:20. > :36:24.in or lead the European Union. Let me confirm that yes, this parliament

:36:25. > :36:28.is sovereign. We chose to join the the European Union and we can choose

:36:29. > :36:33.to be. But me explain exactly what I meant by saying that it would be the

:36:34. > :36:38.illusion of sovereignty. Let me take one issue. We now have safeguards so

:36:39. > :36:43.that British banks, businesses, cannot be discriminated against if

:36:44. > :36:45.we state in the European Union. They can't be discriminated against

:36:46. > :36:49.because we are not in the euro. Where are we to lead, obviously we

:36:50. > :36:52.would not have that protection. They could discriminate against us, and

:36:53. > :37:04.frankly I think they would discriminate against us. Therefore,

:37:05. > :37:06.and that way, we might feel more sovereign, but it would be an

:37:07. > :37:09.illusion of sovereignty because he would not have the power to protect

:37:10. > :37:11.the businesses that protect jobs of my ability and our country. Despite

:37:12. > :37:17.assurances, it is worth saying that this referendum is about the future

:37:18. > :37:20.of our country not the future of a divided conservative party. With the

:37:21. > :37:25.Prime Minister agree with me that it is also not just about Britain's

:37:26. > :37:30.place in the European Union, but also print's place in the world.

:37:31. > :37:35.President Obama has been crystal clear that if Britain were to be the

:37:36. > :37:40.European Union, it would weaken not strengthen the special relationship.

:37:41. > :37:44.The Indians, Chinese, I'm mystified that we are even risking exit from

:37:45. > :37:48.the European Union. We agree with me that if rain in the teacher wants to

:37:49. > :37:53.stand tall in New Delhi, Beijing, Washington, and other mobile

:37:54. > :37:59.cobbles, Britain must continue to stand tall in our own European

:38:00. > :38:05.neighbourhood. I think that she he is right. We should make this

:38:06. > :38:08.decision ourselves as a sovereign nation in a sovereign people. I

:38:09. > :38:13.think that it is worth listening to our friends and listening to what

:38:14. > :38:17.they think is best for our country. I have to say all of the leaders and

:38:18. > :38:24.politicians I have backed around the world. I can't think of any of our

:38:25. > :38:28.friends, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada. That one is to be

:38:29. > :38:31.the EU. The only person I think that might want us to leave is Vladimir

:38:32. > :38:37.Putin, and I don't think that that is someone who has asked for what

:38:38. > :38:40.the right honourable friend and colleague said about this

:38:41. > :38:43.referendum. I will make a cheeky point that we are implementing the

:38:44. > :39:01.2010 Lib Dem manifesto by holding it. Hear, hear! LAUGHTER Can I ask

:39:02. > :39:05.my right honourable friend, the Prime Minister, to explain to the

:39:06. > :39:15.House into the country exactly what way this deal returns sovereignty

:39:16. > :39:20.over any field of lawmaking to the Houses of Parliament? This deal

:39:21. > :39:27.brings back some welfare powers, immigration powers, bailout powers,

:39:28. > :39:32.but more than that, because it cards us forever out of ever closer union

:39:33. > :39:35.it means that the ratchet of the European Court taking power away

:39:36. > :39:39.from this country cannot happen in future. To those who worry, and

:39:40. > :39:44.people do worry, that if somehow if we vote to remain and, the

:39:45. > :39:47.consequence could be more action and Brussels to try and change the

:39:48. > :39:51.agreements that we have. We have a lot in this house of commons. No

:39:52. > :39:57.power can be passed from Britain to Brussels without a referendum. We

:39:58. > :40:01.have a better deal, and a special status, we have a chance to make

:40:02. > :40:05.sure that we build on what we have to protect our people. We can

:40:06. > :40:15.enhance our prosperity, and that is the we make. Mr Speaker, let me

:40:16. > :40:22.think the Prime Minister for quoting and implementing parts of the plane

:40:23. > :40:27.15 Lib Dem manifesto. I wanted to go to the big picture question, which

:40:28. > :40:30.is about how we influence things in our national interest. I want to

:40:31. > :40:34.draw the Prime Minister of the powerful and that his statement,

:40:35. > :40:38.which is this question of course by being a member of the European Union

:40:39. > :40:43.we don't always get our own way, but as he said to the right honourable

:40:44. > :40:47.member on all of the major issues, whether it is trade or climate

:40:48. > :40:51.change, or terrorism and security, he can tell us because he has been

:40:52. > :40:56.the Prime Minister what does he believe. We have more influence in

:40:57. > :41:00.the European Union or outside? Mr Speaker, surely the answer is more

:41:01. > :41:04.influence inside the European Union, at outside. That is why I

:41:05. > :41:09.passionately believe must remain in the European Union. I am grateful to

:41:10. > :41:13.the right honourable gentleman for what he says. I can't promise to

:41:14. > :41:16.implement any part of the bigger manifesto, but I am glad to have

:41:17. > :41:21.been an assistant there. I actually agree with him. The big picture is

:41:22. > :41:24.this, when it comes to getting things done in the world that can

:41:25. > :41:28.help keep people safe in our country, a bigger, better deal on

:41:29. > :41:31.climate change, do we get more because we are in the EU? Gas.

:41:32. > :41:37.Making sure that we have sanctions against Iran that work and getting a

:41:38. > :41:41.ban on their nuclear programme, to be deducted the EU and other new

:41:42. > :41:45.bodies? Yes absolutely. Making sure that we stand up to Russian

:41:46. > :41:47.aggression in Ukraine. We have been the linchpin between the European

:41:48. > :41:51.Union and the United States of America in making those ancient

:41:52. > :41:55.town. If we had been outside the European Union, we would have been

:41:56. > :41:57.waiting at the end of the fund to make out with the decisions were

:41:58. > :42:06.going to be. Instead, we were making them and them. That is how we get

:42:07. > :42:12.things done for our people. Mr Speaker, according to the website,

:42:13. > :42:18.there is a letter and peering into mile's times which has been bitten

:42:19. > :42:23.by a Chris Hopkins on behalf of organizations across the UK wishing

:42:24. > :42:27.for us to remain. Chris Hopkins is apparently a civil servant, could be

:42:28. > :42:31.Prime Minister tell us who that is, which department does he work for,

:42:32. > :42:37.and what authority does he have as a civil servant to campaign for the

:42:38. > :42:40.remaining? I can answer very simply. He is a civil servant working and

:42:41. > :42:48.number ten, and his authority comes from me. He is doing an excellent

:42:49. > :42:51.job. This is not a free-for-all. The government has a clear view. The

:42:52. > :42:54.government's view is that we should remain an informed European Union.

:42:55. > :43:00.The civil service is able to support the government and not roll. Of

:43:01. > :43:04.course, members of Parliament, members -- common members are middle

:43:05. > :43:08.to make their own decision. The Cabinet is holding back. We have a

:43:09. > :43:10.full throated view that we should put Ford in front of the British

:43:11. > :43:22.people so that they I am tempted to think -- ask the

:43:23. > :43:32.Prime Minister if bonds have more fun. -- blonds. If does he remember

:43:33. > :43:36.what the government did in 2014 about the European arrest warrant,

:43:37. > :43:39.and the conclusions that the European arrest warrant acts as a

:43:40. > :43:44.deterrent for offenders commit to this country. Katie pointed out to

:43:45. > :43:49.his pension secretary, and can he ask the home Secretary to bring the

:43:50. > :43:51.working pension secretary on all the other reasons why Britain is safer

:43:52. > :43:58.and more secure in the European Union. The European arrest warrant

:43:59. > :44:02.is a good case in point. I think that all of us who do have this

:44:03. > :44:05.concern about sovereignty have are concerned about the arrest warrant,

:44:06. > :44:14.but look at what has happened in practice. In 2005, terrorists tried

:44:15. > :44:18.to bomb our city for a second time. One of them escaped and was arrested

:44:19. > :44:21.and returned to Britain within weeks under the European arrest warrant.

:44:22. > :44:25.Before that, it could have taken years. I think that we can all see

:44:26. > :44:30.that the practical application of these changes definitely keeps us

:44:31. > :44:33.more safe. When it comes to this question of fighting terrorism a

:44:34. > :44:36.cross-border crime, obviously people are going to have different

:44:37. > :44:41.opinions. I would urge people, listen to the head of the former

:44:42. > :44:46.director of MIT. Listen to the head of euro poll. These are people who

:44:47. > :44:52.know what they speak of and are very clear. These measures help us to

:44:53. > :44:55.stay safe. Thank you Mr Speaker. Having spent the best part of recess

:44:56. > :45:08.and the Arctic circle with the Royal Marines, I am extremely conscious of

:45:09. > :45:11.the need to ensure that everyone of our serving military personnel will

:45:12. > :45:15.be able to cast their vote to leave or to remain in the forthcoming EU

:45:16. > :45:18.referendum which the Prime Minister has worked so hard to get onto the

:45:19. > :45:22.statue books for us. Can the Prime Minister please confirm that every

:45:23. > :45:25.serving member of our armed forces wherever they are in the world, will

:45:26. > :45:30.be entitled to vote and can they guarantee that they will receive

:45:31. > :45:35.their ballot papers in good time, and confirm hubby will ensure that

:45:36. > :45:40.everyone will be counted? My honourable friend clearly had a more

:45:41. > :45:44.entertaining recess that I did, but I am rather jealous. There were

:45:45. > :45:47.moments that I wish I was in the Arctic Circle, I can tell you. I

:45:48. > :45:56.believe that the arrangements are absolutely the same. As for a

:45:57. > :45:58.general election. We have for months until the referendum, there is

:45:59. > :46:04.plenty of time to put in place the arrangements that she seeks. I pay

:46:05. > :46:07.credits to be Prime Minister for delivering a reference to the

:46:08. > :46:12.British people. I will remember the time that he came to the -- this

:46:13. > :46:19.house and argue to -- but the referendum. He will know that we are

:46:20. > :46:22.extremely disappointed in these benches that we don't have as a

:46:23. > :46:28.result of this deal control over our sovereignty over our borders, or our

:46:29. > :46:31.finances. He had said to in his statement, and I quote, that is

:46:32. > :46:35.simply not enough for those in the meat side to say that it will be all

:46:36. > :46:40.right and that we will work it out. He wants a definite facts. On the of

:46:41. > :46:46.migrants coming to Britain in the United Kingdom, when will they first

:46:47. > :46:56.begin to be eligible for some of the darker benefits for quick. What we

:46:57. > :47:00.have is a phased approach so that over four years they get access to

:47:01. > :47:04.benefits. No access to benefits to start with, and full access only

:47:05. > :47:08.after four years. That is a huge advance. If I compare that to a lack

:47:09. > :47:11.of certainty that we are being offered for people who want to

:47:12. > :47:16.leave, who can't tell us whether they favour a model like Norway or

:47:17. > :47:22.Switzerland, where if they want a trade deal like Canada, or if

:47:23. > :47:25.someone to reclaim a purely WTO position. We need to know the answer

:47:26. > :47:29.to that, because frankly it is only one me know that that people can

:47:30. > :47:38.make a proper judgement about the security of staying in any dangers

:47:39. > :47:41.of getting out. Last week's decision requires it to be changed to be

:47:42. > :47:47.irreversible and legally binding. When will the ratification procedure

:47:48. > :47:51.began? I am afraid that my right honourable friend is not right. It

:47:52. > :47:54.is already legally binding and universal because this is the

:47:55. > :47:58.decision of 28 governments to reach a legally binding decision that is

:47:59. > :48:04.deposited as a legal document at the UN. This can only be reversed if all

:48:05. > :48:08.28 members, including the UK, were to come to a different decision. The

:48:09. > :48:13.document sets out very clearly that into specific areas, the changes

:48:14. > :48:16.that we need to the treaty on closer union and safeguards for businesses

:48:17. > :48:23.and countries outside the euro zone, will be put into the treaty as well.

:48:24. > :48:30.The mayor of London has been touted of the leader of the lease campaigns

:48:31. > :48:35.said yesterday that the burden will be able to negotiate a large number

:48:36. > :48:43.of shady deals at great speed because we used to run the against

:48:44. > :48:47.Empire and the world. Will he invite the Mayor to wake up to the 21st

:48:48. > :48:52.century in which the European economy is six times longer than

:48:53. > :48:57.endure -- took seven years to get Canada to get a trade deal, and with

:48:58. > :49:02.so much uncertainty in the world's economy it would be deeply disrupted

:49:03. > :49:08.to increase the risk for British exporters, British manufacturers,

:49:09. > :49:11.and British shops? Let me say, where I share the frustration of many of

:49:12. > :49:15.those who are questioning whether B should stay in a separate Britain

:49:16. > :49:20.does need trade deals to be signed rapidly. We do find it frustrating

:49:21. > :49:24.that Europe is not moving faster. The Korean free trade agreement has

:49:25. > :49:28.been excellent, and about to push ahead with Japan, Canada, and

:49:29. > :49:31.America, and China. Because of this document all of the single more

:49:32. > :49:41.likely. Where I think that the right honourable lady has a good point is

:49:42. > :49:43.this. You can't sign trade deals with other countries until you have

:49:44. > :49:45.determined the nature of your relationship with the EU from the

:49:46. > :49:48.outside. That would take at least two years, and then you have to

:49:49. > :49:54.think how long does it take to sign trade deals? The Canada deal is in

:49:55. > :49:58.its seventh year, and it is still not put in place. I worry that this

:49:59. > :50:02.is a recipe for uncertainty and risk. Business is literally would

:50:03. > :50:05.not know what the arrangements were for year after year, and British

:50:06. > :50:13.business and jobs, and our country would suffer as a result. I have

:50:14. > :50:18.pamphlets calling for us to address our role in by a referendum on art

:50:19. > :50:23.EU membership may have escaped the Prime minister's attention. He will

:50:24. > :50:29.understand why I am absolutely delighted that he is now provided us

:50:30. > :50:35.an opportunity to resolve this question for a generation. Does he

:50:36. > :50:38.agree with me that if the country votes to remain we must positively

:50:39. > :50:45.commit to the institutions of the European Union? To best ensure its

:50:46. > :50:50.success and to move on from the growth -- grudging tone that has

:50:51. > :50:54.dominated our discourse. Equally, the establishment that he leads must

:50:55. > :50:58.positively engaged with a potential decision to lead -- leave and

:50:59. > :51:05.undertake reasonable contingency planning now. Let me make a couple

:51:06. > :51:09.of points to my honourable friend. First of all, one of the things of

:51:10. > :51:13.this renegotiation does is that it does address some of the principal

:51:14. > :51:17.grudges, that I think that this country has rightly had. Too much of

:51:18. > :51:21.a single currency club, political union, too much in terms of

:51:22. > :51:24.migration and a lack of respect for welfare system. Not enough

:51:25. > :51:28.competitiveness and removing bureaucracy. Having dealt with some

:51:29. > :51:32.of these grudges, it may, yes, P possible make sure that we get more

:51:33. > :51:38.things done that says -- sued us. I also agree that something with them

:51:39. > :51:42.-- agree with the Mayor of London said that we have high-quality

:51:43. > :51:46.British officials at every part of this organizations that we can help

:51:47. > :51:51.to drive the agenda. He is right. This should settle this issue for

:51:52. > :51:54.generation. He is also right that we will be publishing the alternatives

:51:55. > :51:59.to membership so that people can see what they are, and also people can

:52:00. > :52:05.see that there are plans that can be made. The Prime Minister has said

:52:06. > :52:11.that there has been great to perform grant in the renegotiation, why then

:52:12. > :52:13.did the French president say the European Union has not granted the

:52:14. > :52:19.United Kingdom any special dispositions from its rules in a

:52:20. > :52:22.deal struck? He went on to say that the Prime Minister said that the

:52:23. > :52:26.city of London when I have special status compared to Europe other

:52:27. > :52:29.stock exchanges? Why is this is a difference between what the French

:52:30. > :52:33.president is saying and what the Prime Minister is an? What I would

:52:34. > :52:38.say is that the French Foreign Minister said that the agreement

:52:39. > :52:43.with the British is a recognition that there is a differentiated

:52:44. > :52:48.Europe. I have Artie quantity so backend, Hungarian prime ministers,

:52:49. > :52:53.and the former tying commissioner. Also, Fran ois Hollande said this,

:52:54. > :52:55.we have recognised British position not in singing, not in the former

:52:56. > :52:57.tying commissioner. Also, Fran ois Hollande said this, we have

:52:58. > :53:03.recognised British position not in singing, not in a euro zone. She

:53:04. > :53:07.does not -- but it has Britain has a special status in Europe. While the

:53:08. > :53:16.referendum decision is a matter for the British people, as

:53:17. > :53:20.does the Prime Minister recognised concern from the White House,

:53:21. > :53:27.Pentagon, State Department, and international players that have

:53:28. > :53:33.already Bedminster macro mentioned. That's ready to stand together in an

:53:34. > :53:39.unsafe world? I my honourable friend Nixon point. I don't think

:53:40. > :53:47.I think that it is based on the fact that they believe that Britain will

:53:48. > :53:51.be a stronger partner, more able to get things done, more able to bend

:53:52. > :53:54.at the will of other countries that are in America's directions when it

:53:55. > :53:59.comes to solving great prices. If you ask yourself how do we need is

:54:00. > :54:04.to reduce pirate attacks off Somalia, how would go to try to fix

:54:05. > :54:08.the problems of Libya's border. Yes, we can act unilaterally, and there

:54:09. > :54:15.are valuable partnerships and Nato, but these EU producers are worth a

:54:16. > :54:19.lot to. The views that the pound has slipped to its lowest level in seven

:54:20. > :54:22.years on the news that the honourable member has joined the

:54:23. > :54:26.league campaign, are the just getting a glimpse of the major

:54:27. > :54:33.economic upheaval that could follow if we leave the European Union? Is

:54:34. > :54:36.it's not a timely reminder that the long-term best interest of our

:54:37. > :54:41.country should come ahead of party politicking or personal ambition?

:54:42. > :54:44.What I would say to the right honourable gentleman is that I think

:54:45. > :54:48.that it is important that we looked at in detail the full economic

:54:49. > :54:53.impact of our staying in the EU were choosing to leave the EU. We will be

:54:54. > :54:57.setting out that approach in the weeks and months to come so that

:54:58. > :55:04.people can see what the dangers are, but the risks are, and also at the

:55:05. > :55:12.cases. Don't be, and agriculture, fishing, and energy policies do

:55:13. > :55:18.damage to domestic producers and the... What can we do about these

:55:19. > :55:26.unfairness is if we stay in the European Union? We have made a lot

:55:27. > :55:30.of progress in recent years. We have made big reforms to the common

:55:31. > :55:34.fisheries policy is. I would suggest, I know that he studies

:55:35. > :55:40.these things very closely, of course why we have a deficit with the EU on

:55:41. > :55:44.goods, we have a substantial surplus when it comes to services. We have

:55:45. > :55:48.to think about the future, and how we safeguard those services as well

:55:49. > :55:55.as making sure that opposition and the single market is open. Opening

:55:56. > :55:59.up the EU market in areas like energy and digital services could

:56:00. > :56:04.create hundreds of thousands of jobs in the future. The Prime Minister

:56:05. > :56:09.agree that remaining a part of the EU will give the UK a strong voice

:56:10. > :56:12.in making sure that the completion of that single market happens, and

:56:13. > :56:16.that the best deal for British businesses and jobs? I think that

:56:17. > :56:22.the honourable me lady makes an important part -- point. The

:56:23. > :56:33.declaration on I think that this is an important

:56:34. > :56:37.point. If we work there, not only with the EU continue to exist and

:56:38. > :56:40.have a big impact on our lives, it would probably head and a very

:56:41. > :56:44.different and more protectionist direction. That would actually

:56:45. > :56:49.affect us. And in many ways quite badly. Thank you Mr Speaker. My

:56:50. > :56:55.right honourable friend will know that have been deluged with advice.

:56:56. > :56:59.On the subject of an ever closer union, can he give us a concrete

:57:00. > :57:02.example of a single easy case that will provide a different outcome if

:57:03. > :57:07.the measures that he agreed last week had been agreed at the time?

:57:08. > :57:10.The ever closer union has been mentioned in a series of judgement

:57:11. > :57:15.by the European Court of Justice. There are two things that we have

:57:16. > :57:18.agreed that I think we'll have an impact. Obviously, the most

:57:19. > :57:23.eye-catching is the fact, and I quote from paragraph one on page

:57:24. > :57:26.ten, is that the substance of these agreements will be incorporated in

:57:27. > :57:29.the treaties and the time of his next position. It will make clear

:57:30. > :57:33.that the references to ever closer union do not apply to the United

:57:34. > :57:36.Kingdom. That is a call-back for us, but in many ways it is as

:57:37. > :57:40.significant and something that many other countries do not want is the

:57:41. > :57:44.next paragraph that says the references in the treaty and the

:57:45. > :57:49.preambles are creating an ever closer union, do not offer a legal

:57:50. > :57:53.basis for extending the scope of any provision of the treaties or other

:57:54. > :57:58.EU secondary legislation. This redefinition of ever closer union I

:57:59. > :58:01.think is really quite a fundamental change to the way that this

:58:02. > :58:05.organisation has worked. One way to think of it is that there have been

:58:06. > :58:09.two threats to our sovereignty, one from treaty change passing powers

:58:10. > :58:13.for Britain to Brussels, that can't happen now because of our block. The

:58:14. > :58:17.second one is using terms like the ever closer union to make sure that

:58:18. > :58:21.the EU grows its powers. It can't be done now that we have the strength.

:58:22. > :58:28.One of the reason why this deal took whatever it was this because not

:58:29. > :58:30.everybody likes us. It is not meaningless words, it is worth that

:58:31. > :58:36.mean something and matter, and make a difference.

:58:37. > :58:42.The Prime Minister was elected the 37% of the ball. Which means that

:58:43. > :58:46.even a half these people are to vote in, then this referendum can only be

:58:47. > :58:52.one of the faces of people have voted Labour mass and D,... There

:58:53. > :58:57.isn't a reasonable position that these people will be more interested

:58:58. > :59:01.in the of the case of the case for Europe, then the factual arguments

:59:02. > :59:05.of Conservative Party, entertaining though they are. What is the promise

:59:06. > :59:08.of going to put forth that forth that case, that part of the promise

:59:09. > :59:11.of going to put forth that case, that positive case for Europe? --

:59:12. > :59:16.one Prime Minister. I do not want to upset him because I'm hoping is

:59:17. > :59:20.going to be supportive. I will say in the speech that I have made

:59:21. > :59:25.today, I have sent out a positive case. It is the case of someone who

:59:26. > :59:29.is Euro sceptical in the genuine sense, I am sceptical about all

:59:30. > :59:36.organisations. All engagement. We should always question whether

:59:37. > :59:40.organisations work for us and be doubtful about these things. That is

:59:41. > :59:45.what is being sceptical means. I come at this from someone who had

:59:46. > :59:48.their doubts about Brussels and the EU, but I have a clear eyed about

:59:49. > :59:54.what is best for Britain. If others want to argue this from a more

:59:55. > :59:58.positive stance about the nature of the EU, fine. Go for it. It is up to

:59:59. > :00:04.everyone to make their own case. I will make my case in a clear

:00:05. > :00:14.determination of what is in Britain's interest. I think I did

:00:15. > :00:19.that today. Can he tell the House, and his estimations, by how much the

:00:20. > :00:23.welfare changes will reduce immigration for the EU in the coming

:00:24. > :00:28.years could tell anybody looks at this, and nose at the moment you can

:00:29. > :00:31.come from the EU and get up to ?10,000 in and work welfare

:00:32. > :00:36.benefits, and the pressure, knows that that is a big incentive to come

:00:37. > :00:40.to Britain. Many people said we would never be able to get changes

:00:41. > :00:45.to in work benefits, and we have got those changes. If we pass this

:00:46. > :00:51.legislation, were they going to see in 2017 a seven-year period, up to

:00:52. > :00:55.2024 will be restricting these welfare claims. That plus all the

:00:56. > :00:58.changes that the Home Secretary has disappeared, and many cases

:00:59. > :01:02.reversing the CJ judgement. They actually restored to our country

:01:03. > :01:11.powers over welfare, powers over immigration Baek a real difference.

:01:12. > :01:15.Best I can. We also support for the reform and will campaign

:01:16. > :01:19.accordingly. If you're to live, what would happen to mention such as

:01:20. > :01:25.convergent funding which is provided by the amounts of money for poor

:01:26. > :01:29.areas? I think the short answer is if we were to leave the EU, and we

:01:30. > :01:33.would not be able to get those funds, which I made a big difference

:01:34. > :01:40.in parts of Wales, and parts of England. In other parts of our

:01:41. > :01:44.country. I also think, I'm someone who was a kid EU but it out and we

:01:45. > :01:47.achieved that historic decision to cut it, but they wish to befriend

:01:48. > :01:53.that some of the work that the has done, in poor countries and other

:01:54. > :01:57.parts of the EU, is actually have economies to grow. They are

:01:58. > :02:00.customers of ours, and so what is Bulgaria, Romania, or Greece or

:02:01. > :02:09.whatever, the economic development is in our interests. -- the economic

:02:10. > :02:14.development. In January, academic bill to try and protect our children

:02:15. > :02:21.from portable... I pulled the bill this month after discussions, their

:02:22. > :02:24.official public this is that piece of legislation. Thousands of

:02:25. > :02:28.directors saw rescued out from Brussels, every gear, that this

:02:29. > :02:32.government has to comply with. Therefore I will be built. We cannot

:02:33. > :02:34.even protect our own children on something as fundamental as this

:02:35. > :02:41.because we do not have the control without the permission of Brussels.

:02:42. > :02:46.I'll look carefully at the case. I know the state can be frustrated,

:02:47. > :02:52.and every of foam filled miniature and mattresses, we've taken steps

:02:53. > :02:56.over and above what other countries are doing, which has kept our own

:02:57. > :02:59.people safer. The other thing I would say is there are a lot of

:03:00. > :03:04.different figures going around about this. And she looks in the library,

:03:05. > :03:11.borrow from being the topic this, it is much more like 15% of loans that

:03:12. > :03:17.come to us from this direction. -- loss. And I commend the parameter

:03:18. > :03:20.his statement and congratulate him on the success of persuading his EU

:03:21. > :03:29.counterpart is signed up for renegotiation. Will he accept gold

:03:30. > :03:33.renegotiations may have been successful, it is not central to how

:03:34. > :03:37.most people make up their minds? When we belong to a European single

:03:38. > :03:43.market, that is where a digg account figure to this country, is a better

:03:44. > :03:46.in or out? What wear basic facing huge insecurities and badges, I

:03:47. > :03:52.would bet off alongside our friends or outside on our own? And we face

:03:53. > :03:57.huge challenges like climate change and the refugee crisis, I would go

:03:58. > :04:00.working with others or isolated on their own? Will he join with me in

:04:01. > :04:10.our shared ambition for a Britannic Europe and for the pond ambition

:04:11. > :04:13.behind him was what -- blonde. . Renegotiation was aimed at dealing

:04:14. > :04:18.with some of the legitimate businesses that we have had in the

:04:19. > :04:22.UK for many years about the way it was the EU work. We thought it was

:04:23. > :04:27.too much of a single currency club, too much political giving, kind is

:04:28. > :04:31.about competitiveness and not enough production in terms of welfare and

:04:32. > :04:34.immigration. I believe this renegotiation and agreement goes

:04:35. > :04:39.long way to lose dealing with each of those problems. Now the time for

:04:40. > :04:43.the even bigger argument about the future of our country and what sort

:04:44. > :04:48.of country we want to live in poor heart cells, children, and grilled

:04:49. > :04:51.children. Of the points that he makes the printer being shown and

:04:52. > :04:56.wealth, getting things done, I'll try to our membership with Nato

:04:57. > :05:00.matters, our relationship with the UN, and our relationship with the EU

:05:01. > :05:09.gives a force of power to get things done. These fences are rightly proud

:05:10. > :05:17.of our record in the job in unemployment, the... -- these pages.

:05:18. > :05:23.Production in our deficit. During his many meetings, did he find

:05:24. > :05:28.anybody, even a single person, am I suggest we will get better terms on

:05:29. > :05:36.our exit to achieve even better outside the cure Community? --

:05:37. > :05:40.European Community. I think there is goodwill towards Britain, because of

:05:41. > :05:44.the contribution we make to the EU. There is understanding other

:05:45. > :05:49.problems or difficulties that we have had. Therefore, with a huge of

:05:50. > :05:56.the pharmacy and travel and meetings, it has been possible to

:05:57. > :06:01.get a good agreement. I do not believe if we were to take over the

:06:02. > :06:10.table of an eye for a second one, I don't think it is morally feasible.

:06:11. > :06:16., work on the equalization is possible, which discriminated

:06:17. > :06:19.unfairly the British citizens. -- spouse rules. Can ask him to

:06:20. > :06:23.recommend the work of the Minister for John? I would manage to get on

:06:24. > :06:32.the job, he has done six. He still retained his sanity. Almost. On the

:06:33. > :06:38.other big issue, the migration crisis, the British head of your

:06:39. > :06:42.poll said today that there were 5000 GIs were now within the European

:06:43. > :06:47.Union area. Many have come from the external border of the EU. Whether

:06:48. > :06:53.this amount has been given to Greece and Italy in particular is tried

:06:54. > :07:03.until -- tried to do with protecting the border? Identifies remarks about

:07:04. > :07:06.the Europe minister. His eyes were set for a minute there. But he has

:07:07. > :07:13.been done the job for six years as the nation was well. The point about

:07:14. > :07:17.spousal visas as important, for many years, we are given a dismayed to be

:07:18. > :07:21.sorted out and for many years to EU stood back, if you want the

:07:22. > :07:27.collectibles, change her own rules and here we have managed to do that.

:07:28. > :07:32.In terms of the help that were given to Italy and Greece, the discussions

:07:33. > :07:36.and Brussels were very intense because the numbers really do have

:07:37. > :07:43.to be reduced radically and that is why I strongly support and Britain

:07:44. > :07:46.will contribute to the maritime operation the last song Nato support

:07:47. > :07:51.as well as EU support. To try and bring together Greece and Turkey

:07:52. > :07:55.with a comma information picture, common intelligence what is

:07:56. > :07:59.happening. These, banks operating in the area. Without that, there will

:08:00. > :08:05.not be the right chance of getting the situation under control. For

:08:06. > :08:12.decades, British ministers who had involvement with Europe at, to

:08:13. > :08:19.exaggerate to affluence we bring and conceal our inability to achieve

:08:20. > :08:21.British interests. Is that why it took freedom of information request

:08:22. > :08:28.to established over the last two decades, Britain has voted against

:08:29. > :08:34.72 measures in the European Council? And has been defeated 72 times, and

:08:35. > :08:43.the patient of the accelerating? It would make the mistake to take the

:08:44. > :08:48.risk of remaining in the EU, how many defeats that the Prime Minister

:08:49. > :08:57.is suspect in the next two decades? The frustrations and challenges of

:08:58. > :09:05.being a member of his organisation, there are challenges. The research

:09:06. > :09:10.that I have seen his deep analysis of whether a country that its

:09:11. > :09:15.position, and shows that Britain does in 90% of cases, which even I

:09:16. > :09:19.think operates the Germans. I did for myself what we were hard we can

:09:20. > :09:27.get things done. -- I have seen for myself. If we are outside the single

:09:28. > :09:30.market, the same countries, without us, will write the rules. We will

:09:31. > :09:35.then have to comply with them, when we show that the government would

:09:36. > :09:37.have no say over what they are. That to me is the illusions of

:09:38. > :09:45.sovereignty rather than real sovereignty. I'll accept the

:09:46. > :09:51.symbolism of removing the phrase ever closer union. I do think the

:09:52. > :09:59.Prime Minister opposes House to give at least one two examples of where

:10:00. > :10:03.the sole legal basis for a decision. I am happy to read to her, but it

:10:04. > :10:14.has been used in a series of cases before us. That's happy to write to

:10:15. > :10:20.her. On the question of Article 50, cannot first one out that it did not

:10:21. > :10:25.exist in the treatise until the Lisbon Treaty which my friend used

:10:26. > :10:29.to oppose and not he agrees with. Can I point out there are many ways

:10:30. > :10:35.of leading the European gigging, that might article 50. Date that the

:10:36. > :10:39.power to bind himself and to the Article 50 from work, can he give it

:10:40. > :10:43.some thought rather than committed himself to a policy that he does not

:10:44. > :10:50.support? The point I would make to him is that like it or like it not,

:10:51. > :10:53.I don't particularly like it, but the Treaty of the European and you

:10:54. > :10:58.can set style of the way that you leave. It is called article 50. --

:10:59. > :11:03.European Union. I think it should read it. I find it odd that if you

:11:04. > :11:08.want to leave, leave. If you want to stay, stay. But the idea of going to

:11:09. > :11:10.leave the try and half day, I don't think the British public will

:11:11. > :11:14.understand it, I don't think our European partners would understand,

:11:15. > :11:21.I'm at a loss to understand it. I thought we wanted a referendum to

:11:22. > :11:28.make a choice. Posted by Minister think that President Clinton would

:11:29. > :11:33.drop the secret... -- President Putin, would he rather see Bridget

:11:34. > :11:40.Breakaway for the EU and to seek your potentially break apart? I

:11:41. > :11:45.think it is true that tournament presented like to see disunity in

:11:46. > :11:50.the West. -- Vladimir Putin. Whether it is about actions of Sarah

:11:51. > :11:58.Corporation conduct another issue. There's no in my mind -- doubt in my

:11:59. > :12:03.mind, that the allies that there is between the Baltic states, Poland,

:12:04. > :12:07.who see it first-hand the problems being created by Putin, and

:12:08. > :12:11.countries like Britain is always in my view should stand up to

:12:12. > :12:16.aggression. But that a life together with the French and Germans, and has

:12:17. > :12:19.made your's stronger and if we were not there, I don't think you can

:12:20. > :12:25.guarantee that would be the case. I do not believe that is an

:12:26. > :12:31.overstepping of the position. In October, Lord Rove said nothing is

:12:32. > :12:36.going to happen and become how to cure in the first five years

:12:37. > :12:40.probably. There will be no change. I hope my friend finds that ritual

:12:41. > :12:43.from the head of the campaign to stay in. What he agree that it is

:12:44. > :12:46.inevitable after the Vote Leave, there will be a period of informal

:12:47. > :12:51.discussions before the formal process is driven? I have to say I

:12:52. > :12:56.have great respect for my Honorable friend who is leading a campaign

:12:57. > :13:00.with great vim and vigour and passion. But surely if you want

:13:01. > :13:06.Britain to leave the EU, you want things to change, rather than not

:13:07. > :13:09.change. The truth is that section, article 50 is the only way to leave

:13:10. > :13:15.and what it says is that if you spend two years negotiating your

:13:16. > :13:21.status outside of the EU, and that they cannot be agreed, at the end of

:13:22. > :13:26.the figures, you leave. That is all of the 27 members agree to extend.

:13:27. > :13:28.That's unless. If you do not have a deal, he don't know what your

:13:29. > :13:33.relationship is with a single market, with a 50 days countries

:13:34. > :13:39.covered by the Trader Joe's, or very much. My argument is that do not

:13:40. > :13:42.take that risk. Stay in a before European Union. But the delayed

:13:43. > :13:51.campaign will have to do is explain what it is that you want was to

:13:52. > :13:55.left. -- the lead campaign. Cannot they be Prime Minister for his

:13:56. > :14:04.detailed statement. Does he accept that with Arlen and -- Ireland

:14:05. > :14:07.connected, to a UK exit of the European you can would have

:14:08. > :14:15.replications for Ireland, North or South. There may be some initial

:14:16. > :14:21.financial savings for the UK, but huge losses are likely to follow. We

:14:22. > :14:26.see them impact today are sterling. Yeah, we know that the financial

:14:27. > :14:31.impact would be negative and slow. Mr Speaker, with recent polls

:14:32. > :14:35.suggesting that 75% of people in Northern Ireland want to stay in the

:14:36. > :14:39.EU, as the Prime Minister agree with me that a UK exit from the EU will

:14:40. > :14:42.have detrimental impact on Northern Ireland's economy and is one peace

:14:43. > :15:01.process? In terms of Northern Ireland,

:15:02. > :15:05.everybody and other islands have a vote, every vote counted. I would

:15:06. > :15:08.urge people to exercise their democratic right. I look forward to

:15:09. > :15:13.going to another island as part of the campaign to talk directly to

:15:14. > :15:18.people why I believe we should stay. And I listened that some people

:15:19. > :15:23.believe that our European neighbours want to do is down at every turn, is

:15:24. > :15:28.a credible to suppose that the selfsame people, if we were to

:15:29. > :15:32.leave, could believe that our phone partners, would follow themselves to

:15:33. > :15:36.give us free access to the single market among which is the vital

:15:37. > :15:45.foundation for our business and industry to trek across the world?

:15:46. > :15:49.-- trade across. I feel that very deeply, because having time to build

:15:50. > :15:52.up the good will for a special status for breaded, within the EU

:15:53. > :16:04.which we have achieved, I do not believe that will would be dead...

:16:05. > :16:10.-- be there. The option of that risk is to stay in the reform EU rather

:16:11. > :16:18.than to take the leap in the dark. Have the Prime Minister Alize the

:16:19. > :16:21.grave consequences for the UK -- outlined the grave, but perhaps

:16:22. > :16:25.reflect on the wisdom of the leadership decisions that led us to

:16:26. > :16:31.be facing those consequences in a few months' time. Besides I want to

:16:32. > :16:34.leave hapless sovereignty and control at the heart of the

:16:35. > :16:41.arguments. That's the size. Does he agree with me that it a position

:16:42. > :16:46.where we are a decision-maker at the timetable, will be moving from

:16:47. > :16:49.position of being a rule-making to a protected and that is not

:16:50. > :16:55.sovereignty, it is not controlled, and it is not the best future for

:16:56. > :17:00.the United Kingdom? I do not agree with what the gentleman said at the

:17:01. > :17:05.first part. I think it is time for a referendum. I think we had too many

:17:06. > :17:09.traders passing through this house, where there was no referendum.

:17:10. > :17:14.Whether it was more strict under the Conservatives or Lisbon, under

:17:15. > :17:17.labor. I think that sack People's faith and our democracy and our

:17:18. > :17:22.accountability. I remember the moment when Tony Blair stood here

:17:23. > :17:26.and said let that of the joint and all the rest and without a

:17:27. > :17:29.referendum is coming. Then it was taken away. It is right to have this

:17:30. > :17:32.referendum and we should not be frightened of asking the people

:17:33. > :17:37.interested the people, but I agree with him that if you want to have to

:17:38. > :17:40.question how it would have greater control, greater influence, it is by

:17:41. > :17:46.being in there helping to make the rules, rather than outside simply

:17:47. > :17:50.taking the rules. Can congratulate the Prime Minister for securing a

:17:51. > :17:55.written the special status that he talked about earlier? Does he agree

:17:56. > :18:00.with me, with the debate so far is that those who want leave your are

:18:01. > :18:04.completely unable to agree on an alternative arrangement for breaded

:18:05. > :18:13.and the EU, that we get the same sort of economic benefits that his

:18:14. > :18:18.negotiation skills? What today's discussions have revealed not only

:18:19. > :18:23.that there is no agreement about what Britain by a future looks like

:18:24. > :18:28.outside of the EU, but there is an agreement about whether we really

:18:29. > :18:31.should leave, some that people wanted to both league in over a

:18:32. > :18:35.different bill. That's not an agreement about how we should leave.

:18:36. > :18:39.What the Article 50, or some other process that can be followed.

:18:40. > :18:41.Unclear, the only way I leave. What the Article 50, or some other

:18:42. > :18:44.process that can be follow. Unclear, the only way of event is to article

:18:45. > :18:50.50. There is no second renegotiation, second referendum,

:18:51. > :18:57.the torch is in or mean. -- the choice is in or out. Can the Prime

:18:58. > :19:01.Minister tell us beyond the areas which are specifically addressed in

:19:02. > :19:07.the deal agreed last week, and which ways his government plans have been

:19:08. > :19:12.constrained by European legislation? There's no doubt that we do face

:19:13. > :19:16.concerns because the way the single market works is a common set of rows

:19:17. > :19:21.that has to be agreed. As it's been said, was and I was cannot wait.

:19:22. > :19:29.That's a common set up rules. There are occasions where we lose a vote,

:19:30. > :19:32.and we are concerned by EU regulation and legislation. The

:19:33. > :19:38.question that they would be to put in a very hard-headed politics and

:19:39. > :19:43.if you are outside, does that give you the full control that you seek?

:19:44. > :19:45.Does not produce up to trade with Europe and accepted rules, don't

:19:46. > :19:52.think I've done is remove yourself from the conversation and take away

:19:53. > :19:57.your vote. Common sense that this will set up the issue of her

:19:58. > :20:00.generation. I am blessed with five grandchildren. I believe it is in

:20:01. > :20:05.their blessed interest that I should be voted to remain within the EU.

:20:06. > :20:11.That's part of. There is another generation that is some concern.

:20:12. > :20:15.Thousands of people are paid UK taxes, an excellent insurance over

:20:16. > :20:19.the years. They are now living in other parts of Europe. My right

:20:20. > :20:23.honourable friend knows that I represent the interests of the

:20:24. > :20:31.people. They're very frightened, and can he tell them what will happen if

:20:32. > :20:34.we leave the European Union? I am grateful that he has decided to

:20:35. > :20:38.support the case for remaining in the EU. I think he raises an

:20:39. > :20:42.important point. We often look at free Will Win in terms of people's

:20:43. > :20:46.decisions to come here. We do also need to think about the many British

:20:47. > :20:50.people would have chosen to work, live, retire and other parts of the

:20:51. > :20:54.EU. The short answer to this question is that I can tell the

:20:55. > :20:58.window be like if the state. But I cannot be absolutely certain if we

:20:59. > :21:02.leave. It would depend on a complex and difficult glaciation cannot be

:21:03. > :21:05.there be a lot of uncertainty. I would urge other people or the right

:21:06. > :21:10.to vote to make that exercise that right and we should think about

:21:11. > :21:13.people in Gibraltar, who are all applicable in this referendum.

:21:14. > :21:24.That's able to vote. To speak plainly about what he

:21:25. > :21:30.believes is right for our country. As it develops the argument, when

:21:31. > :21:35.the bear and mind that nine American people voted Labour and general

:21:36. > :21:38.election? And the sympathies and values don't actually live with his

:21:39. > :21:46.party and a need to develop a conversation with them as well. I

:21:47. > :21:52.take on his point. This is not a party political issue. This is not

:21:53. > :21:55.something for all people, all voters to get involved in. They might vote

:21:56. > :21:59.conservative and a general election, but decide to vote in, or out, and

:22:00. > :22:06.dinner with labor a liberal Democrat. -- ditto. This should be

:22:07. > :22:09.added to the -- giant democratic society and accountability. We are

:22:10. > :22:16.asking question about something, this is a new sovereign decision by

:22:17. > :22:20.the British people. That huge sovereign decision. I would say to

:22:21. > :22:25.Labour voters to decide what you think that government, that rule, or

:22:26. > :22:27.that law. Think about the future of your country, and think about the

:22:28. > :22:36.big picture and then make the choice. I am always nice. The Prime

:22:37. > :22:39.Minister said that crime should be at the forefront of our thoughts

:22:40. > :22:43.when we are putting in the referendum. And the Prime Minister

:22:44. > :22:51.tell us how many crimes were committed in the UK by EU nationals

:22:52. > :22:55.in the given for free movement of people came into effect, and how

:22:56. > :23:00.many were committed by the EU nationals last year, and how many of

:23:01. > :23:03.the EU nationals were imbued in the UK prison system before free but

:23:04. > :23:09.when of people came into operation and how many there are now? I'm sure

:23:10. > :23:12.he has that information. Debbie has not got it, perhaps he can write to

:23:13. > :23:17.me with the information. That's if he doesn't have it. I do not have

:23:18. > :23:21.all the figures, but I can say because of a very harboured by the

:23:22. > :23:27.Home Secretary, will be able to Barbara, and so, too better. That

:23:28. > :23:32.hardware. We are solving problems that the EasyJet has put another

:23:33. > :23:37.way. As for prisoners, the prisoner transfer agreement that was

:23:38. > :23:41.negotiated will mean that we can get for prisoners out of our prisons and

:23:42. > :23:50.into the jails. Outside of the EU, they'll be far more difficult to

:23:51. > :23:55.achieve. -- that will be. I don't remember who was selected the

:23:56. > :24:08.European Parliament in 1979. -- I think I was the only member. Without

:24:09. > :24:15.a lot more sense than itself. We were on opposite sides. I was in

:24:16. > :24:20.favour of a gift membership, his father was in favour of membership.

:24:21. > :24:25.-- against membership. I changed my mind. At the two gears in the

:24:26. > :24:35.European Parliament, I saw the benefits. -- after two years. We're

:24:36. > :24:42.talking about Senate. -- Senate. Were talking about restructuring the

:24:43. > :24:47.social effect. And people work in the auto industry. I think

:24:48. > :24:53.anonymously from working with people and other nationalities, the hope is

:24:54. > :25:00.to emphasise again and again the importance of internationalism. I

:25:01. > :25:19.think it for her honesty. -- bank. I remember campaigning... Head be

:25:20. > :25:25.sitting here and we would have been able to hear from him and for the

:25:26. > :25:34.Maryland. That she would be. -- Mayor of London. Why does the Prime

:25:35. > :25:41.Minister Bank on so much? -- the bank on? So much about these

:25:42. > :25:48.European migration, after the polls have a wonderful record of, care and

:25:49. > :25:54.offer benefits. As a much more worried that Mickens, born an

:25:55. > :25:57.integer from North Africa and the Middle East that the diamonds have

:25:58. > :26:01.any idea what proportion of these people were exercise their right to

:26:02. > :26:05.come here and once they get the German passports? If we remain in,

:26:06. > :26:14.the as useful as a Macedonian strain to stop them. -- strain to stop. I

:26:15. > :26:20.promised to go on for the next four months, and to go on considerably

:26:21. > :26:24.less. I think he makes a good point. We have the advantage of being

:26:25. > :26:30.outside second, so that foreign nationals, to other countries don't

:26:31. > :26:33.have the automatic access to the UK. But he stopped coming in. As what

:26:34. > :26:38.would you European citizens who we think are ever of the country. The

:26:39. > :26:44.factual answer to this question is if you look at refugees and others

:26:45. > :26:49.who have arrived in Germany, after ten years, only around 242% have

:26:50. > :27:00.German citizenship. The evidence to date is there is no huge risk of

:27:01. > :27:04.early to the table. -- 2.2 oppression. The more likely to have

:27:05. > :27:07.are involved to try and stop the flow question the flow of migrants

:27:08. > :27:13.in the first place and would have ingrained now. With this is the lead

:27:14. > :27:18.operation between Greece and Italy is partly because of the UK

:27:19. > :27:21.intervention into this debate. Taken by the French, with the times,

:27:22. > :27:28.because around the table would get things done. Thus the Prime Minister

:27:29. > :27:32.agreed with me that the claim that staying with the European you can

:27:33. > :27:35.would make an attack on our shores more likely, is deeply irresponsible

:27:36. > :32:54.and factually wrong? The Prime Minister has said in a

:32:55. > :32:59.statement that we are to make a final decision. So the one sentence

:33:00. > :33:05.of the statement I agree with a final decision to be made in June as

:33:06. > :33:09.to whether we stay with the valve body on whether we leave and make

:33:10. > :33:17.our own pot -- pass. As a government's policy basically always

:33:18. > :33:22.keep a fair punishment the force? -- finding something worse. Obviously,

:33:23. > :33:26.my friend and I have a profound disagreement about this issue. I

:33:27. > :33:30.respect his views because he has held them in good faith for many

:33:31. > :33:36.years. And until my view is that we need to form for years. I'm sure we

:33:37. > :33:41.can respect each other and the months of debate ahead. Don't think

:33:42. > :33:45.I would say by doing to take issue with my Honorable friend is about

:33:46. > :33:49.manifesto delivered. On a run through whole thing but we said we

:33:50. > :33:54.will legislate for a referendum and we delivered. Which I will protect

:33:55. > :33:58.our economy from the eurozone, and wanted to pursue power for was from

:33:59. > :34:02.Brussels cover in the sediment. One problem is to work together to block

:34:03. > :34:06.unwanted legislation covering the settlement. The one and two ever

:34:07. > :34:10.closer union. We'll will ensure that defence policies national security

:34:11. > :34:15.remains firmly under British national control. We assisted the EU

:34:16. > :34:18.migrants want to claim tax credits must live it here and contribute it

:34:19. > :34:23.for four years covered in the settlement. Time and time again, we

:34:24. > :34:27.also noticed manifesto and I'm proud of them in. I'm proud of the team to

:34:28. > :34:31.put together and implement the good. I say let's have this vigorous

:34:32. > :34:32.argument, let's not pretend that we have not delivered the manifesto

:34:33. > :35:04.that was in front of. The bosses of those companies aren't

:35:05. > :35:07.saying that very publicly, I would invite the Prime Minister during

:35:08. > :35:12.this election campaign to encourage them to talk to those people whose

:35:13. > :35:16.jobs depend on that investment, to say what would happen if we left

:35:17. > :35:25.Europe, because they tell me they would leave Britain. My message to

:35:26. > :35:30.businesses is if you have a view, make sure you tell people and talk

:35:31. > :35:39.to customers, and your suppliers. Above all, talk to your employees,

:35:40. > :35:43.and your staff. This issue is so important, the business voice, large

:35:44. > :35:47.and small, is very much in favour of Britain staying. Many of them have

:35:48. > :35:52.said generous things about this renegotiation because they recognise

:35:53. > :35:54.the dangers, particularly in the area of safeguarding ourselves

:35:55. > :35:58.against distillation, because we aren't in the Euro, given that I

:35:59. > :36:02.hope business and enterprise will speak clearly in the next few

:36:03. > :36:11.months. Much of the protection of the Euro outs in this is set out.

:36:12. > :36:16.But this requires nothing, as far as I can tell, nothing more than the

:36:17. > :36:21.discussion to be held about the UK's concerns. Not even European Council.

:36:22. > :36:28.It leaves Eurozone members free to enforce its will bike UMT. So, can

:36:29. > :36:33.the Prime Minister explain what beyond the discussion, which can be

:36:34. > :36:37.ignored, has been achieved by the safeguard mechanism -- QMV. I can

:36:38. > :36:42.answer that, is an important question. There are two things, it

:36:43. > :36:47.is a set of principles set out on section A on economic governance,

:36:48. > :36:50.these principles of non-discrimination, no cost, no

:36:51. > :36:53.disadvantage, and crucially in paragraph four, a real concern to

:36:54. > :36:58.the Bank of England, I know it will be a concern to his committee, is

:36:59. > :37:02.making clear that the financial stability of member states whose

:37:03. > :37:06.currency is not the Euro is matter for their own authorities and

:37:07. > :37:10.budgetary responsibilities. These principles are very important. What

:37:11. > :37:14.I think is exciting is that not only have these been setup for the first

:37:15. > :37:18.time, not only has Europe accepted for the first time that there are

:37:19. > :37:22.other currencies in the EU but these changes will be incorporated into

:37:23. > :37:28.the treaties. The mechanism, if you like, is over and above new way of

:37:29. > :37:31.making sure issues are raised, should we want to, at the level of

:37:32. > :37:35.the European Council, a protection we don't have today, but I think

:37:36. > :37:39.making the treaty, making the principle is part of the treaty,

:37:40. > :37:45.already an international legally binding decision, is hugely

:37:46. > :37:48.important and people on behalf of financial services and the Bank of

:37:49. > :37:53.England and others, they will recognise this is important progress

:37:54. > :37:57.for Britain. There is still plenty that divides myself and the Prime

:37:58. > :38:01.Minister politically, but on this, in the national interest, I think

:38:02. > :38:07.he's right to be campaigning for Britain to remain in the European

:38:08. > :38:11.Union. I want to put a quote to him, leaving would cause at least some

:38:12. > :38:15.business uncertainty, while embroiling the government for

:38:16. > :38:19.several years in a fiddly process of negotiating new arrangements. So

:38:20. > :38:25.diverging energy from the real problems of this country, that was

:38:26. > :38:31.on February the 7th. The Mayor of London was right to seven days ago,

:38:32. > :38:36.wasn't he? What I would say to the honourable gentleman and everyone is

:38:37. > :38:39.that we have really got to examine what these alternatives are, and how

:38:40. > :38:44.much uncertainty there would be, how long these processes would take. I

:38:45. > :38:47.think therein lies the importance of this decision, for businesses,

:38:48. > :38:53.families, people's prospects as well up and down the country. Does the

:38:54. > :38:57.promised a group of me that one of the key benefits of his agreement is

:38:58. > :39:01.to give legal clarity about Britain's special status within the

:39:02. > :39:03.EU? You would be aware of the uncertainties that have been for

:39:04. > :39:09.those advising the government about the law in the past, does he also

:39:10. > :39:14.agree that it is wrong to say that it is not legally binding, it is.

:39:15. > :39:22.And it is irreversible, unless we choose otherwise. There is a long

:39:23. > :39:26.opinion by Professor Sir Alan Dashwood, the leading EU

:39:27. > :39:33.constitutional lawyer in this country, it can be read on the

:39:34. > :39:35.Henderson Chambers website. I'm grateful for what my right

:39:36. > :39:40.honourable friend says given that he was a senior law officer in the

:39:41. > :39:44.government. I listen carefully to what the member for Beaconsfield has

:39:45. > :39:50.said, they could not have been more clear on this point, I've read the

:39:51. > :39:54.judgment by Lord Dashwood and the government 's own legal advice. They

:39:55. > :39:58.say it is legally binding and reversible. People who question it

:39:59. > :40:06.should look at the Danish protocol, that's been working well for 23

:40:07. > :40:13.years. Does the Prime Minister share my concerns and worries that after

:40:14. > :40:18.70 years of peace and prosperity, any nation begins to take it rather

:40:19. > :40:24.for granted, and take the institutions that created that peace

:40:25. > :40:31.and prosperity? I was born on the August weekend in London at the

:40:32. > :40:38.height of the Battle of Britain. My generation, and many people in this

:40:39. > :40:41.country with longer memories, note that peace and prosperity aren't

:40:42. > :40:46.guaranteed, unless you work together across Europe to maintain them day

:40:47. > :40:50.after day, month after month, year after year. I agree with the

:40:51. > :40:53.honourable gentleman, it is worth remembering why this came about in

:40:54. > :40:57.the first place. The appalling bloodshed on our continent. For

:40:58. > :41:04.people of my generation, very much postwar children, we should remember

:41:05. > :41:10.that and look afresh at the institutions of the EU, and try to

:41:11. > :41:13.make sure that this organisation works for this century, rather than

:41:14. > :41:17.the last century. That's part of what the agreement is about. I

:41:18. > :41:23.remember the meeting we once had at the Cloth Hall in Ypres, you cannot

:41:24. > :41:25.sit in that building without thinking of the slaughter that

:41:26. > :41:31.European countries have engaged in in the past. May I to salute my

:41:32. > :41:35.right honourable friend for honouring his commitment to the

:41:36. > :41:39.British people, to offer them a referendum? And extraordinary

:41:40. > :41:44.stamina over the last week or so, where we've been to join the recess.

:41:45. > :41:50.For me, this is not the fundamental reform we were promised. We've

:41:51. > :41:54.learned a lot about security in the last few weeks, would he not agree

:41:55. > :41:59.with me that the security of Europe is dependent on Nato, not the EU? It

:42:00. > :42:04.is Nato that is protecting us from further incursion by President

:42:05. > :42:10.Putin, and we do Nato no good by suggesting that somehow the EU has

:42:11. > :42:14.some competence in this area? I have huge respect for my right honourable

:42:15. > :42:21.friend, he served brilliantly in the last garment helping to strengthen

:42:22. > :42:26.defences, perhaps ten or 15 years ago, -- government. Whether it is

:42:27. > :42:31.our partnership with America, not the EU, considering defence and

:42:32. > :42:35.security in the run today, the way we fight terrorism yes it depends on

:42:36. > :42:42.our relationships and what we do through the EU. I see it daily

:42:43. > :42:46.through the exchange of information. The agreement we reached at this

:42:47. > :42:51.council, to make sure that there is a strong Nato mission, to try and

:42:52. > :42:55.help the situation between Greece and Turkey, it is a Nato mission

:42:56. > :42:59.backing up his point, but where was some of the conversation going on

:43:00. > :43:02.about it? Where were the Germans, British and French sitting together

:43:03. > :43:07.and working out what assets we could supply? How to get real power into

:43:08. > :43:12.it? It was done around the EU Council table. The fact is we need

:43:13. > :43:17.both to keep safe in the modern world, fight terrorism, criminality,

:43:18. > :43:22.stand up to evil around the world and use all organisations, not just

:43:23. > :43:26.some of them. The Prime Minister has played fast and loose with our

:43:27. > :43:33.cultural, social and economic future in Europe for a consider is -- for a

:43:34. > :43:37.series of concessions. Will the Prime Minister now guarantee that

:43:38. > :43:41.his government's case for remaining in the EU will stop appeasing them,

:43:42. > :43:49.and will instead focus on the many positives of the EU. Can he commit

:43:50. > :43:52.to ensuring that the public has sufficient information to make a

:43:53. > :43:57.positive and informed choice? We have certainly been whiting a

:43:58. > :44:04.positive campaign, and in that there is a series of documents, some were

:44:05. > :44:08.mandated by the other place, when they had a referendum bill, we have

:44:09. > :44:12.two set out rights and obligations of things you get out of, and

:44:13. > :44:18.obligations you have in the EU. We will be talking about the economic

:44:19. > :44:21.case. All of those issues, I would say to those interested in some

:44:22. > :44:26.cultural or educational arguments, come forward to. We need from voices

:44:27. > :44:29.from universities, they have a lot to say on this issue, they get a lot

:44:30. > :44:35.out of Europe. Cultural organisations should be speaking out

:44:36. > :44:40.as well. Nick Herbert. Anti-Mr Speaker, would my right honourable

:44:41. > :44:44.friend agree with me that when this country in our national interest

:44:45. > :44:48.makes an international agreement of any kind, it may involve a loss of

:44:49. > :44:55.sovereignty, that may be the case through any trade deal, through Nato

:44:56. > :44:59.rules, and on the single most important issue that this House of

:45:00. > :45:04.Commons could take, which is whether or not to engage in military action.

:45:05. > :45:09.We are treaty bound by Nato to go to the defence under article five of a

:45:10. > :45:13.country, a fellow member, under armed attack. That obliges us, in

:45:14. > :45:17.that sense, we've lost sovereignty. That is because we believe it is in

:45:18. > :45:23.the interests of the country to enter that agreement and has made us

:45:24. > :45:26.safer. If the claim of sovereignty and the loss of sovereignty were the

:45:27. > :45:29.trump card, would it not in fact be the case that all of those

:45:30. > :45:34.international agreements would need to be torn up? I think my right

:45:35. > :45:38.honourable friend makes an important point, if you're only determination

:45:39. > :45:43.was never to seek technical sovereignty committee would never

:45:44. > :45:50.join any organisations or do a trade ill, or be a member of the IMF World

:45:51. > :45:56.Bank -- trade deal. The question is what maximises power, influence and

:45:57. > :45:59.ability to get things done. As the Transport Secretary put brilliantly

:46:00. > :46:04.in the cabinet meeting, I would love to live in Utopia, but I expect the

:46:05. > :46:09.EU is that as well. You don't abolish the EU by leaving it, you

:46:10. > :46:13.simply cut yourself off from something, and therefore, possibly

:46:14. > :46:17.make yourself less powerful rather than more powerful. May I gently

:46:18. > :46:24.remind the house that people who wish to take part in the exchanges

:46:25. > :46:28.should have been here at the start, and remain throughout. People who

:46:29. > :46:32.have gone in and out of the chamber and may have come back in again

:46:33. > :46:36.should not then be standing. That's pretty much in breach of traditions

:46:37. > :46:41.of the house. We must be clear on that. Mr Ronnie Campbell. The main

:46:42. > :46:52.policy for me was a close political union. If this could be voted to

:46:53. > :47:00.upstate -- stay in the union on the 23rd, could we put it to a treaty,

:47:01. > :47:04.be written into a treaty? It is already an agreement and will

:47:05. > :47:10.shortly be deposited at the UN as an international law decision, and

:47:11. > :47:14.therefore it would already be, by then, legally binding and

:47:15. > :47:18.irreversible. When it comes to getting out of an ever closer union

:47:19. > :47:22.and redefining a closer union, I think it is so important it has to

:47:23. > :47:25.go into the treaties. The agreement here is when those treaties change

:47:26. > :47:31.they will be written into those treaties. If you like, there's a

:47:32. > :47:36.double lock on this. A vital point. John Baron? I suspect this is

:47:37. > :47:40.tinkering, it is not fundamental change, the red card is not a veto,

:47:41. > :47:49.it won't stop a majority of the EU in forcing unwanted taxes. Should

:47:50. > :47:54.the Prime Minister accept the possibility that the red card can be

:47:55. > :48:01.turned against us? It could not stop, or it would stop, rather, UK

:48:02. > :48:07.sponsored initiatives being blocked by the majority of the EU,

:48:08. > :48:12.initiatives that could be in our best interests, like access and

:48:13. > :48:16.further enhancement of the single market? Look, I don't overstate the

:48:17. > :48:21.red card, what it is is a new mechanism not to delay but properly

:48:22. > :48:26.block new initiatives available for National Polmont, should they want

:48:27. > :48:31.to avail themselves of it. For me, it's another thing that makes this

:48:32. > :48:37.organisation more democratically applicable to national Polmont is.

:48:38. > :48:43.On some occasions it may work against, I suppose it is

:48:44. > :48:45.accountability. The point is this organisation will be more democratic

:48:46. > :48:50.because of my decision rather than less.

:48:51. > :48:59.Mr Speaker, since the Prime Minister seems to be getting none from his

:49:00. > :49:06.own side, can I commend him from coming right to cancel a Michael

:49:07. > :49:09.version of freedom of movement. Can he assure the House that there'll be

:49:10. > :49:16.no application for the hundreds of thousands of UK citizens living in

:49:17. > :49:19.the EU for this deal? Of course if we stay in the European Union

:49:20. > :49:24.British people will continue to be able to live and work abroad as they

:49:25. > :49:27.do now. It is not for me to set up will happen to them in different

:49:28. > :49:32.circumstances. I think the league campaign will try and address that

:49:33. > :49:40.point. You will know with certainty what they get. In his statement the

:49:41. > :49:44.Prime Minister observed that leaving the EU might briefly make us feel

:49:45. > :49:48.more sovereign, does he not accept that the issue of parliamentary

:49:49. > :49:55.sovereignty will be the centre of that central one for parliamentary

:49:56. > :49:59.debate. So long as we're subject to the European Union we will not be

:50:00. > :50:04.truly sovereign and erode very little change last week in that

:50:05. > :50:08.respect. I think would change the last weekend in that respect is that

:50:09. > :50:14.because we're getting out of ever closing union we now know that we

:50:15. > :50:17.cannot be forced into folder public again good union against our will.

:50:18. > :50:22.On this issue of sovereignty I will repeat again, if you leave the EU

:50:23. > :50:26.you might feel more sovereign because you could pass this law or

:50:27. > :50:29.pass that law, but on the other hand if you still want to set into Europe

:50:30. > :50:33.you have to meet all the rules under which you have say. That is a

:50:34. > :50:42.diminution of sovereignty rather than increase of sovereignty. On the

:50:43. > :50:45.issue of sovereignty, has been reported in several news media

:50:46. > :50:48.organizations that the Prime Minister intends to unveil a British

:50:49. > :50:53.sovereignty bill in the next few days. Will he confirm that that is

:50:54. > :50:56.the case and if so will he tell us what provision he is going to make

:50:57. > :51:00.in that bill to recognise the principle of unlimited sovereignty

:51:01. > :51:08.in parliament and the distinctively English principal which has no

:51:09. > :51:18.counterpart to Scott a scattered -- constitutional law? We will build a

:51:19. > :51:22.2011 when we set out that our limited sovereign. Just as they can

:51:23. > :51:27.join the year they can join the -- Olevia. That is the good for the

:51:28. > :51:31.whole of the United Kingdom. We do have a sovereign parliament. I do

:51:32. > :51:38.think there are ways we can add to that. As other countries have done,

:51:39. > :51:43.I look for to bringing proposals forward in the coming day. On Friday

:51:44. > :51:53.two and a half thousand people packed the QE Center to see the goal

:51:54. > :52:01.launch national cross party leaf campaign, many speakers were there,

:52:02. > :52:06.including a renowned economic commentator, a senior trade

:52:07. > :52:12.unionist, and very respected Labour in Pete, the co-chairman of

:52:13. > :52:23.conservatives for Britain, for conservative MPs, and the leader of

:52:24. > :52:27.respect. In 2014, Bruce Davidson our excellent conservative leader in

:52:28. > :52:34.Scotland, linked arms with George Galloway in the national interest.

:52:35. > :52:37.Does the Prime Minister agree that Ruth Davidson was right and does he

:52:38. > :52:42.agree that sometimes you have to work with people you do not like?

:52:43. > :52:48.Everyone will have to make the choice about what platform they

:52:49. > :52:53.appear on and who they appear on those platforms with. I think the

:52:54. > :52:59.disadvantage of appearing on any platform with either Nigel The

:53:00. > :53:06.Mirage or George Galloway is what I consider who their friends are. ,

:53:07. > :53:15.this is going to be something everyone will have to think

:53:16. > :53:21.carefully about when they to appear. There has been a lot of talk about

:53:22. > :53:23.the City of London and big multilateral companies working here

:53:24. > :53:31.and investing in this country. The beating heart of our economy and the

:53:32. > :53:35.small and medium enterprise sector. As India's exports to EU countries.

:53:36. > :53:41.As the Prime Minister agree that it would be madness to slam the door in

:53:42. > :53:47.their face. I think the overwhelming majority of SNAs... There are many

:53:48. > :53:52.companies that are not exporters but are involved in the supply chain

:53:53. > :53:57.with companies that do export. This is a point that the business

:53:58. > :54:07.services organizations, banks accountants and lawyers make. I

:54:08. > :54:13.would like to also think my right noble friend the Prime Minister, and

:54:14. > :54:19.all routable members of this house who voted for us to have a

:54:20. > :54:25.referendum on our EU membership. Can you promise to say whether the remit

:54:26. > :54:28.he has reached alters the Lisbon Treaty at all? Obviously it does,

:54:29. > :54:37.would we change these treaties this'll be of the founding documents

:54:38. > :54:41.of the EU. In time the treaty changes will sit alongside the other

:54:42. > :54:45.treaties that have been produced in the past. Like him, I regret the

:54:46. > :54:52.fact that so many treaties were passed with so many Democratic

:54:53. > :55:01.accountability -- so little. A distant dream for many of us who

:55:02. > :55:08.used to argue this never got it. The Prime Minister has stated that

:55:09. > :55:17.people who vote to leave the EU do not love their country. I represent

:55:18. > :55:21.many veterans of the armed services who is cannot be questioned. What he

:55:22. > :55:27.Prime Minister apologise to the people? I absolutely did not say

:55:28. > :55:35.that. I said that I love my country and I think our country will be

:55:36. > :55:37.greater and more powerful but we remain a organizations through which

:55:38. > :55:41.we can project our power and influence and do great things in the

:55:42. > :55:46.world. I did not question the patriotism of anyone in our country.

:55:47. > :55:51.We're going to have to make a choice. I think part of Britain's

:55:52. > :55:58.greatness is not just the right we have this country, but we are not in

:55:59. > :56:03.doubt looking country. I'm very proud that we help during refugees,

:56:04. > :56:09.and help stabilise countries from which so many problems come. We do

:56:10. > :56:14.this because we are strong, but also because we are members of Nato, we

:56:15. > :56:20.are a permanent seat of the UN, and part of the EU. We should be proud

:56:21. > :56:30.of the world that we play in the world. -- role. If these

:56:31. > :56:33.negotiations did not succeed, and he would have no hesitation even

:56:34. > :56:38.recommending that we leave the European Union. Can he have in the

:56:39. > :56:43.library papers which cover contingency plans which would take

:56:44. > :56:46.place in that eventuality. What he confirm that in that circumstance

:56:47. > :56:51.exactly the same leap in the dark what have to be made by him as he is

:56:52. > :56:58.now vilified? What I would say to my Honorable friend and I have great

:56:59. > :57:05.respect for him because he is held his views for many years, and I

:57:06. > :57:08.would hope he will respect my views. In terms of the documentation we're

:57:09. > :57:11.going to be publishing something about the alternatives to

:57:12. > :57:15.demonstrate what we believe they are you demonstrate that we are thinking

:57:16. > :57:20.about what would need to happen with that eventuality to come about. In

:57:21. > :57:24.terms of what we achieved, I'm very happy to write to him with a list of

:57:25. > :57:29.things that we said in our manifesto. We achieve in this new

:57:30. > :57:32.renegotiation. Consequent to say that I'm going to take a different

:57:33. > :57:36.path from you, I'm going to make my own decision. Somehow we have not

:57:37. > :57:47.delivered the overt whelming On at the Prime Minister can tell

:57:48. > :57:53.the House whether he thinks rural communities and present would be

:57:54. > :57:56.better our worst thing in the EU. I represent rural communities, 400

:57:57. > :58:02.square miles of beautiful West Oxfordshire. There'll be a range of

:58:03. > :58:08.views in my constituency by no one I talked to many of those responsible

:58:09. > :58:10.for producing food and for looking after our local environment, that

:58:11. > :58:18.they see strong advantages of fermenting. -- of remaining. Though

:58:19. > :58:22.the parameters are agreed and negotiated a special status till,

:58:23. > :58:31.the actual demonstrations of sovereignty at his best? -- special

:58:32. > :58:34.status till. Safer and more economic prosperous and a manifest itself in

:58:35. > :58:38.many aspects of the deal, but also the way in which we behave as a

:58:39. > :58:46.nation state within the European Union and the future. What I would

:58:47. > :58:51.say is I think it demonstrates that while this organisation is imperfect

:58:52. > :58:56.and sometimes campy and flexible, they did show flexibility. One

:58:57. > :59:01.country came along with a manifest in place renegotiate its position

:59:02. > :59:05.with a set of changes and by large we have achieved them. I think that

:59:06. > :59:08.a sign that this organisation can be flexible IP that is incredibly

:59:09. > :59:11.important. If he did not achieve any of this, I would really have deep

:59:12. > :59:17.questions about whether the stay in an organisation like this. But they

:59:18. > :59:24.demonstrate it looks ability. -- demonstrated flexibility. I'm proud

:59:25. > :59:30.of Northern Ireland in his place in the world as a global trader. And I

:59:31. > :59:33.know we benefit a great deal from the EU at the moment. With a mind

:59:34. > :59:38.that promised or made it clear what the benefits are to us on our

:59:39. > :59:43.borders, our farmers, are fishermen, and all the people there that really

:59:44. > :59:50.relied on international trade? I look forward to coming there to make

:59:51. > :59:55.a point. -- those point. We look at the sad that they have been given in

:59:56. > :00:02.terms of final grants, -- Arlen that they have. If you look at what we

:00:03. > :00:07.have reformed heredity, agricultural policies, more to be done. I think

:00:08. > :00:09.money goes into another I lived through those programmes and I'm

:00:10. > :00:18.happy to come and talk about all those things in the province.

:00:19. > :00:23.Will actually be changed to incorporate our changes and perhaps

:00:24. > :00:29.to allow greater integration of the eurozone, required for the

:00:30. > :00:35.referendum in the UK or not? That require a future referendum. The

:00:36. > :00:41.eurozone members were to bring forward treaty changes to change the

:00:42. > :00:44.nature of the eurozone, but without effecting any weight competences

:00:45. > :00:49.here in Britain. Then I suspect we'll be up to get our changes on

:00:50. > :00:54.ever closer union, on the governments surrounding the

:00:55. > :00:59.eurozone, and to the treaty. Whether it require never referendum depends

:01:00. > :01:03.on whether it goes to Brussels. If the answer is yes, you have to have

:01:04. > :01:09.a referendum. If the answer is no, you don't. And as statement, the

:01:10. > :01:16.Prime Minister said responsibility for supervising the stability of the

:01:17. > :01:22.UK will always remain in the hands of the Bank of England. -- in his

:01:23. > :01:26.statement. But we already share that responsibility. With the European

:01:27. > :01:32.banking authorities and we already signed up to the single will book

:01:33. > :01:37.about RT. Out of the Prime Minister statement compatible with the view

:01:38. > :01:41.of Mr, the head of the European banking authority, who says that the

:01:42. > :01:47.institution must be the dominant player in Santa Cruz, particularly

:01:48. > :01:54.in Britain wishes to keep the town and state within a single European

:01:55. > :01:58.financial regulation. The assets of this question requires something

:01:59. > :02:05.like 35 hours of negotiation. -- the answer to this question. Of course

:02:06. > :02:10.you have the backing union arrangement. And for the kill zone

:02:11. > :02:14.countries, they need to have their banks properly scrutinised and

:02:15. > :02:18.regulated at a guilty level. We have our own currency, our on banking

:02:19. > :02:22.supervision arrangement. It is hard to supervise a complex and larger

:02:23. > :02:24.economy like Britain, with one of the largest financial centres

:02:25. > :02:29.anywhere and well, it is not just banks that are systemically

:02:30. > :02:32.important, it is also other financial institutions. Central

:02:33. > :02:35.counterparties, and why this is important is because at the end of

:02:36. > :02:39.the day, we need to make sure that whatever is the eurozone does, we

:02:40. > :02:45.are protected in terms of the Bank of England playing the role of being

:02:46. > :02:48.to intervene to resolve and to supervise those important

:02:49. > :02:52.institution. That's what paragraph four is it about. Although that

:02:53. > :03:01.sounds very technical, it is fantastically important because it

:03:02. > :03:05.Britain -- it Britain, it would have to and a zero best organisation

:03:06. > :03:09.where the eurozone is a large currency, and we can have variables,

:03:10. > :03:12.there would be a case for saying long-term, this is a single currency

:03:13. > :03:18.only organisation independently. This was crucial to get that

:03:19. > :03:21.settled, technical, but at and fundamentally important what we can

:03:22. > :03:28.get fair treatment inside this organisation. The answer is yes, we

:03:29. > :03:33.can. And it's great exercise of democracy, it is not what we say of

:03:34. > :03:35.the house, but what are constituents decide. My constituency but many

:03:36. > :03:41.will be interested in the things that affect them. The economic

:03:42. > :03:44.production of the jobs of the Bar-B-Q can bring in a single trade,

:03:45. > :03:49.so they don't want the euro, they don't want the euro superstate and

:03:50. > :03:54.something for nothing and welfare. The diamonds are confirmed to my

:03:55. > :04:02.constituents in a bubble the country that what he is negotiated. -- can

:04:03. > :04:06.Minister confirm. I don't know if I make it too one with a cold, but I

:04:07. > :04:10.hope to make it to many parts of our country to make the point. --

:04:11. > :04:14.Wimbledon. We have not solved all the problems, but we have

:04:15. > :04:19.fundamentally addressed the major that Britain had. Too much original

:04:20. > :04:23.currency club, too much regulation, too much of a politically

:04:24. > :04:27.convenient, and not national determination of free moment abuse

:04:28. > :04:29.and welfare. I think those four pinnacles of the heart of the

:04:30. > :04:40.problems we've had with this organisation. -- principles.

:04:41. > :04:46.The diamonds are going to welcome the support that he has received to

:04:47. > :04:49.date on the surprise element surviving area of the Deputy First

:04:50. > :04:57.Minister of Northern Ireland? -- if the Minister. Or is he going to

:04:58. > :05:02.encourage the people of the stay in tune with his Secretary of State for

:05:03. > :05:05.Northern Ireland, who has indicated their strong click in tune with the

:05:06. > :05:09.people of Northern Ireland that they should leave, and if he is not going

:05:10. > :05:13.to support the Secretary of State, will he didn't be following the

:05:14. > :05:18.advice of the Deputy First Minister that the Secretary of State said the

:05:19. > :05:24.bond. Will he not support the Secretary of State? The secondary

:05:25. > :05:30.state of an excellent job. She is exercising her decision for Britain

:05:31. > :05:34.to leave the queue. That's Secretary of State. I think the key thing is

:05:35. > :05:37.that an aromatic and other Alice up their mind, based on the evidence. I

:05:38. > :05:44.look forward to forward to coming to try and help persuade them to remain

:05:45. > :05:50.in a reformed EU. The Prime Minister accept that the thousands of Sun

:05:51. > :05:54.Microsystems, the hundreds of thousands of mothers, and methods

:05:55. > :05:58.across the UK to work in the financial services will be glad that

:05:59. > :06:01.he at least argues that jobs in as the Leader of the Opposition appears

:06:02. > :06:08.to the best some? And we recognise that the covenant package is an

:06:09. > :06:09.important one for strategic British interests, and therefore the

:06:10. > :06:14.pragmatic investors businesslike thing is not to walk away from a

:06:15. > :06:25.market, but to stay in it, and make it work better? We should recognise,

:06:26. > :06:29.something like an making jobs in finance, I think, so making jobs in

:06:30. > :06:34.mid-December become. The key point is because we are in the single

:06:35. > :06:37.market, we have the right to passport to have a bag or financial

:06:38. > :06:41.services company here Britain back and trade throughout the EU. The

:06:42. > :06:46.dissent of market and you lose that right. But within have to happen is

:06:47. > :06:51.companies based in the UK would have to move at least some of the jobs to

:06:52. > :07:00.admit European country. That is why HSBC said they would lose 8000 jobs.

:07:01. > :07:03.This is real jobs. -- 1000 jobs. Need to explain this, it is

:07:04. > :07:07.compensated, but there is no doubt in my mind that living the single

:07:08. > :07:14.market financial services would mean less jobs Britain. It was the

:07:15. > :07:18.assistant ahead of time as still used the word evolved in connection

:07:19. > :07:34.-- devolved in connection. Clever I personally will be voting

:07:35. > :07:38.to stay in the EU, and I will have the Prime Minister to give it to

:07:39. > :07:43.others. The diamonds are assets in a good deal, why the struggling to

:07:44. > :07:46.convince somebody in his own party? -- the Minister. Some people are

:07:47. > :07:55.long-standing feuds about wanting to leave the EU. The point I was making

:07:56. > :07:59.about starting the worst percentage, no doubt that but for some people

:08:00. > :08:02.seem to be suggesting. I just about money, but some how did you start

:08:03. > :08:06.the process of leaving, you'll get offered a better that the state. I

:08:07. > :08:09.think that is not the case. You could think about it like this,

:08:10. > :08:16.you're not just divorcing one person, you are divorcing 27,

:08:17. > :08:24.potentially unhappy partners. I give to no one in my belief, that I can

:08:25. > :08:29.bring people back, I have seen Buffalo wedding Set plays. -- I'd

:08:30. > :08:38.kill to know. Resulting in another word. -- multiple weddings. May I

:08:39. > :08:44.join other members in congratulating the Prime Minister for this work in

:08:45. > :08:50.Brussels last week. I do agree that this reform does produce a

:08:51. > :08:56.phenomenal chains and British accumulations -- phenomenal chains

:08:57. > :09:00.and British, EU lesson. It does a lot of young people would jet at the

:09:01. > :09:06.possibility of entering into a new turmoil within the economy. -- young

:09:07. > :09:11.people with the dread. We agreed that it is vital to Britain 's

:09:12. > :09:20.economy that will remain inside the European Union? -- we were made.

:09:21. > :09:22.They have a strong question this campaign would have been through

:09:23. > :09:32.difficult times. The time of uncertainty, why had extra risk? --

:09:33. > :09:35.in a time of uncertainty. And Britain's strategic interest to be

:09:36. > :09:39.pretty intimately engaged in the doings of a continent that has a

:09:40. > :09:42.gram 20th-century history, and whose alchemy have cost millions of

:09:43. > :09:48.Britons to lose their lives. That the best way of staying pretty

:09:49. > :09:53.engaged is to remain a member of the European Union. I agree with that.

:09:54. > :09:57.If we leave the EU, and do not cease to exist, but was seized element

:09:58. > :10:06.contains that an impact on our lives. And on our world. It is best

:10:07. > :10:09.to try to offer from within. Sure questions are not required. Were

:10:10. > :10:19.having answers, but we need short answer. Can we ensure that the

:10:20. > :10:24.information in the campaign is actually correct? As he was a go at

:10:25. > :10:33.letter and the telegraph and the male appeared in criticising the

:10:34. > :10:37.Prime Minister. -- a week ago. The Prime Minister, no one ever heard of

:10:38. > :10:42.that person. Can we please ask that information before by both sides is

:10:43. > :10:47.fair, accurate, Achterberg sold the public can decide on further

:10:48. > :10:56.evidence? Dass and correct. We're producing a number of documents them

:10:57. > :11:00.as -- information is accurate. Can ask the premises to read at a rate

:11:01. > :11:04.was at the heart of this matter, if the UK left the EU, who was almost

:11:05. > :11:07.having to continue to implement the vast majority of the EU roles and

:11:08. > :11:10.write what is at the heart of this matter, if the UK left the EU, who

:11:11. > :11:12.was almost having to continue to implement the vast majority of the

:11:13. > :11:15.EU roles in relation everyone to access the same terms of the single

:11:16. > :11:18.market. The only difference would be doing a lot of good essay about

:11:19. > :11:23.terms sappy love I had a lot of conversations within a original

:11:24. > :11:30.about this. If you do, you implement the directives but have no say over

:11:31. > :11:35.how they are put in place. For the first time in my lifetime, people

:11:36. > :11:49.and words are what I have a jingle and say on this. That's a legitimate

:11:50. > :11:54.say on this. In 2010 manifesto, we said we would bring and eight UK

:11:55. > :11:57.sovereignty bill to assert sovereignty of our country and make

:11:58. > :12:01.sure it was this Parliament that take. We agree that sovereignty is

:12:02. > :12:08.something that can be asserted by this house and not something for us

:12:09. > :12:13.to argue about? Would introduce, the sovereignty clause in the 2011

:12:14. > :12:19.referendum. -- we did introduce. When looking to add to it in the

:12:20. > :12:25.proposals. That's what I look into. Many mike assiduous work and the

:12:26. > :12:32.Lutton, cannot buckle with the said today. That's many of my

:12:33. > :12:37.constituents. Accessed the largest single market, given that, and

:12:38. > :12:40.offered appointments are a plus and a parliament opportunity to campaign

:12:41. > :12:45.in my constituency on this issue? Cannot also given that there are

:12:46. > :12:49.those that would love to get their hands on Britain's services, and the

:12:50. > :12:52.Maryland and has given of his day job to think about is that Shaw,

:12:53. > :12:57.connect the Prime Minister and very clear message that London is

:12:58. > :13:05.stronger in Europe? -- the Mayor of London. I would be delighted to come

:13:06. > :13:15.to his constituency. I think he is right, when it comes to the Mac DK's

:13:16. > :13:27.membership is of strategic importance to the financial and

:13:28. > :13:31.related services. -- UK's. These organisations covering finance,

:13:32. > :13:33.insurance, manufacturing, engineering, they are all negative

:13:34. > :13:43.views clear enough that we should listen to them. -- they are all

:13:44. > :13:47.making their views. Investment in the country has gone up to the West

:13:48. > :13:52.Midlands is gone. But he agree with me that full access to the single

:13:53. > :13:56.market, which focuses on jobs and growth, is critical to the security

:13:57. > :14:02.a jobs and people in my constituency and across the West Midlands? We

:14:03. > :14:06.have seen an industrial renaissance of the West Midlands with more

:14:07. > :14:10.people in part of the crowd and the automotive sector. The centres are

:14:11. > :14:15.part of complex supply chains right across Europe. He'll be huge

:14:16. > :14:21.dislocation if we were to leave. -- and it would be a huge. Access to

:14:22. > :14:25.labor, protection of workers rights, protection of human rights in some

:14:26. > :14:31.of the benefits to our membership of the EU. Beneficial to work and

:14:32. > :14:40.businesses. It must perturb arm and said that his Justice Secretary, and

:14:41. > :14:42.employment Minister, how will he assure that those positive reasons

:14:43. > :14:48.for remaining are the forefront of campaign? Grabbed a wooden issue

:14:49. > :14:56.that has caused the and differences with parties right across his house.

:14:57. > :15:00.-- we are are dealing with issues. With CC, is 23 people sitting around

:15:01. > :15:04.the Cabinet table, convinced that we should be better off within the EU,

:15:05. > :15:09.and said that attacking a different view. I doubt that we should be

:15:10. > :15:14.concerned. This is a referendum, the people's choice, not the

:15:15. > :15:21.politician's towards. Does he agree that now is the time? We are no

:15:22. > :15:27.longer an imperial power? Able to demand what we want to get of living

:15:28. > :15:33.fragile and volatile world and all senses of those terms. It is not a

:15:34. > :15:37.membership above the EU, together with the United Nations, with essay

:15:38. > :15:43.on the security council, our membership of Nato, I do platform

:15:44. > :15:49.for us to promote Britain here and abroad and that is why we should be

:15:50. > :15:53.staying? Membership of these organisations helps us to get things

:15:54. > :15:59.done for our people, country, and also made progress on the issues we

:16:00. > :16:03.care about. -- make progress. I think the prominence it deserves

:16:04. > :16:10.credit for the deal. -- Prime Minister. The campaign the honour

:16:11. > :16:17.was a state where they would look like. I think it is, not him --

:16:18. > :16:23.incumbent on him to tell us what a lead balloon flight. Any say that

:16:24. > :16:26.can be saved what will it believes will look like and what state will

:16:27. > :16:29.look like and what stable of my? We will do is have a government setting

:16:30. > :16:36.out what we believe the often bizarre. There is the Swiss model

:16:37. > :16:40.that took nine years to negotiate. There's a Norwegian model, the WT of

:16:41. > :16:47.option we could face tariffs every time you try to sell the EU. The

:16:48. > :16:51.Canada free trade deal, did get. But there it not cover all services, so

:16:52. > :16:54.you could be disadvantaged. We need to need to go to detail in the

:16:55. > :17:01.cities these input accurate, information and place so that people

:17:02. > :17:05.can see what is on offer. Other comments and agree that critical to

:17:06. > :17:10.the success of his campaign is going to be his ability to convince people

:17:11. > :17:15.that by giving us some sovereignty in prison, we have gained

:17:16. > :17:18.sovereignty interrupt the game authority in general, and can he

:17:19. > :17:26.convince the country that he'll be able to do that? This will be the

:17:27. > :17:29.challenge of the comment once. -- coming months. I have no self is

:17:30. > :17:36.interested that. I will tell as see it. What I have learned of the six

:17:37. > :17:40.years of things Prime Minister, this organisation is imperfect and can

:17:41. > :17:45.sometimes be frustrating. But we are better off in. I believe that and

:17:46. > :17:50.I'll take that message the country. -- across the country. People in

:17:51. > :17:54.Scotland are entitled to hear the case for remaining in the EU. But he

:17:55. > :17:57.made the decision on of the parent of the arguments full. The

:17:58. > :18:02.pharmacist will today about the importance of taking express will of

:18:03. > :18:06.the people. That's the prominence there. Would take full account of

:18:07. > :18:09.the view of the bread -- status people and ensure that we both

:18:10. > :18:17.remain, we are not removed from the EU? I don't think I shall afford to

:18:18. > :18:25.that in this message to campaigning in Scotland. I enjoy doing that on

:18:26. > :18:28.the referendum. -- enjoy. I look forward to making this argument

:18:29. > :18:36.again, that would have been altogether. As we are better off. It

:18:37. > :18:45.is able in united kingdom decision. -- it is one. The opposite of always

:18:46. > :18:52.had the domination for the time. If he came back as ever abjured, -- and

:18:53. > :18:55.perhaps a cure, the biggest questions I have a my constituents

:18:56. > :19:02.are what are the positive and wish you would the deal -- voted on. It

:19:03. > :19:05.houses has a cicada, the military and also make the point that

:19:06. > :19:12.sovereignty cannot be more sovereign than 46 million people don't have

:19:13. > :19:18.their say. That which is not talk about the potential benefits of free

:19:19. > :19:26.trade, but there are some very simple practical benefits. -- not

:19:27. > :19:29.only talk about. Because open skies, prices are going on holidays and

:19:30. > :19:35.taking a flight anywhere a girl will come down something like 40%. And

:19:36. > :19:38.when you travel, you'll be able to access to digital content on

:19:39. > :19:45.Arafat's fast they can watch whatever you want. Wherever you are

:19:46. > :19:54.God. -- so you can watch whatever. That's wherever you are. Many of my

:19:55. > :19:59.constituents are somewhat too for their hugely concerned about the

:20:00. > :20:02.future the cat. Can the prominence it say what they believe the UK

:20:03. > :20:06.still in the street by the brunt brighter future if we were managing

:20:07. > :20:13.your abortive relief? -- UK steel industry.

:20:14. > :20:21.The point I would make is however difficult it is, they would have a

:20:22. > :20:25.better chance of dealing with Chinese overcapacity and dumping and

:20:26. > :20:32.all of it if we work as the biggest market in the world, to 500 million

:20:33. > :20:35.people. We can get some things done, the fifth-largest economy, but it is

:20:36. > :20:43.part of a 500 Megan, I think we can get more action. -- 500 million. A

:20:44. > :20:47.number of unemployed, somatic constituents has fallen by 80%. Will

:20:48. > :20:59.the Prime Minister agree with me to leave the EU now the so much

:21:00. > :21:03.uncertainty would risk a reversal? I think there is a simple point here,

:21:04. > :21:06.which is we live in uncertain times, we make good progress on the

:21:07. > :21:11.economy, and we should try to take the risk of weight from the economic

:21:12. > :21:20.performance, and clearly tended our status with the risk. -- changing

:21:21. > :21:23.our status. We have been enriched by freedom moment with corporations,

:21:24. > :21:28.and will remain relevant in global because of that seed we have in the

:21:29. > :21:32.European Union. All of which -- because of the seed. With that in

:21:33. > :21:36.mind, will the prominence or for some punch into a positive fight to

:21:37. > :21:39.remain incurable because when a front iPhone it it it was this

:21:40. > :21:42.conservative Prime Minister who listed to the Scottish national

:21:43. > :21:50.party who say Britain from his cell phone? -- say Britain from itself.

:21:51. > :21:55.There is for the part of his campaign and it will be positive.

:21:56. > :21:59.But I make no apologies that and making a positive campaign about

:22:00. > :22:02.jobs, and about business, and competitiveness, let's also examined

:22:03. > :22:10.the alternative. There's nothing wrong with doing that. As a member

:22:11. > :22:16.of the Neto, I has sent Nato operations around the world. That

:22:17. > :22:22.has. Does he agree with me that it's actually the 28 member nations of

:22:23. > :22:26.Nato, including non-EQ countries, like Norway, Turkey, Iceland, the

:22:27. > :22:33.United States and Canada, that is delivering our international

:22:34. > :22:39.security, but not an EU army? We don't want a EU army, and this

:22:40. > :22:42.document could really says that clearly said that our national

:22:43. > :22:48.security is a reserved matter for nation states. I think when you look

:22:49. > :22:52.in detail for what both Nato and the EU is done off the coast of Somalia,

:22:53. > :22:56.what is happening in the Mediterranean, what is Nato and the

:22:57. > :22:59.ease, the EU and the south, you need to be about these organisations.

:23:00. > :23:13.That should be involved of these. The Cantonment membership of the EU

:23:14. > :23:24.has been a force for good for trade, jobs, investments and international

:23:25. > :23:27.cooperation. -- the UK. The promoter prosperity and kept up at the

:23:28. > :23:33.ravages of two world wars. With a common set agreed that those who are

:23:34. > :23:35.campaigning so aggressively, to reject his negotiations, took a

:23:36. > :23:40.prison blues in the modern world are not only on the wrong side of the

:23:41. > :23:48.big argument on history as well? -- to cut Britain loose and the modern.

:23:49. > :23:54.I think there is a showcase for saying when we try to cut ourselves

:23:55. > :23:58.off, it ended in disaster and the need to re-engage at the end of

:23:59. > :24:02.that. We should always work to get our engagements fright wigs this

:24:03. > :24:09.deal is all about. -- engagement right which this deal. I'm standing

:24:10. > :24:16.at the side of the Prime Minister of this one. The promise as a hosted by

:24:17. > :24:20.me and my people and Morgan. In my constituency, we have the port which

:24:21. > :24:25.is 10% of our GDP going through it. Both from Northern Ireland. Also we

:24:26. > :24:29.have the ESP power stations, two nuclear stations. Which is the

:24:30. > :24:33.French government's sponsor. I want to see jobs lost in my constituency,

:24:34. > :24:36.especially as it has the lowest unemployment rate at this moment in

:24:37. > :24:44.time seen in generations. Would my friend agree with me on that

:24:45. > :24:47.synopsis? I agree that in the end, this is about jobs and livelihoods

:24:48. > :24:50.and I think that he stands up very well for his constituents. I

:24:51. > :24:56.remember visiting where we were looking at the Lake Road and I

:24:57. > :25:03.haven't ever everything into one fabric. I just hope it survives. --

:25:04. > :25:09.hammered into the bridge. Following his indication, that a series of

:25:10. > :25:14.documents would be published in relation to the foreign proposals,

:25:15. > :25:18.and on the 3rd of February, the Prime Minister referred to the

:25:19. > :25:25.impact of the free movement of people within Ireland and the

:25:26. > :25:30.removal of that street moment. If in the event of an exit, can the Prime

:25:31. > :25:36.Minister confirm Windows documents will be made available, so that we

:25:37. > :25:41.will be able to have a full and robust discussion, as people who

:25:42. > :25:47.want to remain within the European Union? I did the days of Windows

:25:48. > :25:55.will be published, but I will try to make sure -- it does not have the

:25:56. > :25:58.dates. Within the border another island, and the issue of the

:25:59. > :26:05.movement of people that can be triggered by that. -- Northern

:26:06. > :26:09.Ireland. One word that seems to come up around the report of the summit

:26:10. > :26:13.was contagion, as of other say following his lead with be a bad

:26:14. > :26:16.thing. But he agree that contagion could be a good thing and something

:26:17. > :26:23.that we should encourage? The 1-size-fits-all Europe is now a

:26:24. > :26:30.thing of the past. And we have now set a league which has several

:26:31. > :26:34.forms. -- Stanley. You're one of her work if we tried to make everybody

:26:35. > :26:42.1-size-fits-all as a country like Britain raises concerns and I'm glad

:26:43. > :26:50.to have been. -- to happen. Among the UK citizens living in the

:26:51. > :26:53.European Union, approximately 30,000 of them are claiming benefits in

:26:54. > :27:01.those European countries. How the Prime Minister package affect them?

:27:02. > :27:05.But we have negotiated is a welfare mechanism that the European

:27:06. > :27:09.Commission have said applies to present. So now we're able to pull

:27:10. > :27:12.this emergency brake and restrict benefits for seven years. It is up

:27:13. > :27:17.by other countries to determine whether they qualify and whether

:27:18. > :27:20.they are able to do that, but I'm in no doubt applies right-of-way in the

:27:21. > :27:28.UK, which is what I was determined to secure. The Prime Minister will

:27:29. > :27:34.be aware that we have partners and militarize outside of the EU. That

:27:35. > :27:37.heavily represented -- representations... As to whether

:27:38. > :27:42.they see better inside the EU or outside the. I all the conversations

:27:43. > :27:45.I've had, from our partners, our neighbours, countries that look to

:27:46. > :27:50.us as friends around the world, and I've been quite surprised by how

:27:51. > :27:54.unanimous and passionate to have been. Any sense that for instance,

:27:55. > :27:57.some of the countries of the Commonwealth might want Britain to

:27:58. > :28:02.step back from Europe and form some sort of new relationship with them,

:28:03. > :28:05.I would totally disabuse people of that idea. The Prime Minister of New

:28:06. > :28:11.Zealand, Canada, Australia, they cannot be more clear, the president

:28:12. > :28:16.of America about to give Britain should stay in a reformed European

:28:17. > :28:27.Union. In that way, they should looking out for them to sign

:28:28. > :28:33.Europe will continue to boost our commitments to watch military in

:28:34. > :28:39.case we have seen the last years. Last year and last summer there were

:28:40. > :28:43.attempts made to link those cases to membership of the European Union.

:28:44. > :28:48.Can the Prime Minister give us an assurance that the both of what

:28:49. > :28:54.happens this will be based solely on humanitarian necessity and as to how

:28:55. > :28:59.it will impact? Of course will do what is right. But I think it is

:29:00. > :29:04.important to address in the context of our membership this issue of

:29:05. > :29:09.migration. I make a number of points. One is that obviously

:29:10. > :29:13.outside Schengen and so that people coming to the EU don't have

:29:14. > :29:17.automatic right to come to Britain. Second I make the point that we are

:29:18. > :29:21.doing a very responsible thing in taking refugees direct from the

:29:22. > :29:25.region. Third we are working with our European partners to secure the

:29:26. > :29:30.external border. At the end of the day whether we are in the EU or out

:29:31. > :29:34.of the EU, we are affected by this problem in Europe. So we should be

:29:35. > :29:36.working with our partners to make sure that they can better control

:29:37. > :29:43.and stop in some cases the flow of and stop in some cases the flow of

:29:44. > :29:46.people to Europe. Some argue that we will be able to forge a better deals

:29:47. > :29:51.across the world by leaving the European Union. In the three years I

:29:52. > :29:55.have been a trade and what, I have not yet met a single representation

:29:56. > :29:59.that believed our trade investment would be better if we left the EU.

:30:00. > :30:04.Does my right honourable friend. LAUGHTER. Does my right honourable

:30:05. > :30:07.friend agree with me that the referendum is not about whether we

:30:08. > :30:13.should do business with your for the rest of the world, but that we

:30:14. > :30:19.should get the treat free trade agreement and always prioritise the

:30:20. > :30:24.EU. We are expanding our trade inside easy Asia. We have doubled

:30:25. > :30:28.our trade with China. I am very shocked that he used that countries

:30:29. > :30:32.have not said that they want to get out of a trade deal with us. They

:30:33. > :30:44.are saying to state within the EU and that the EU will be bigger and

:30:45. > :30:49.better. The Prime Minister maximises the case. I am trying to confirm

:30:50. > :30:53.rumours that he has been exploiting the situation to his own self

:30:54. > :30:56.interests. He has opened a private book on his successor. Can the Prime

:30:57. > :31:01.Minister confirm this can he give up the claim of where the money is

:31:02. > :31:08.flowing and will he guaranteed to extend the syndicate to the rest of

:31:09. > :31:12.us. LAUGHTER. My father was an gambler and I remember sitting on a

:31:13. > :31:16.Saturday watching him betting on race after race. While I enjoyed all

:31:17. > :31:21.that pulled, I have always tried to stay away from it myself. So I am

:31:22. > :31:24.not writing a book. All I know is that I will do the right thing for

:31:25. > :31:33.this country and the right thing for this country is to read -- remained

:31:34. > :31:38.in the reformed EU. Agreement. The mood is that today they could cut

:31:39. > :31:43.Britain's credit rating. This and let the UK manages to negotiate new

:31:44. > :31:48.trade arrangement with the EU, that deserves at least some of the trade

:31:49. > :31:53.benefits, the exports will suffer and go on to uncertainty in negative

:31:54. > :31:58.investment. Is that a fear or warning from the world. There are

:31:59. > :32:03.important economic consequences that we do need to so people can see all

:32:04. > :32:08.the potential downsides and what they are. This is what I think it's

:32:09. > :32:12.a leap in the dark. How long it would take to put trade deals in

:32:13. > :32:16.place and how damaging that could be. It would be irresponsible to put

:32:17. > :32:29.in front of the British people with the consequences of the changes are.

:32:30. > :32:39.Hear, hear!. Mr Speaker that disbursements of car payments.

:32:40. > :32:42.Convergence of less in the EU pervaded the UK which is actually

:32:43. > :32:51.based on the payments that the farmers received. That would make it

:32:52. > :32:54.much easier for farmers. I'll look carefully at what the Honorable

:32:55. > :32:59.general is that. My memory of the camp deal and the finance deal are

:33:00. > :33:02.the consequences whether we gave a huge amount of leeway to the

:33:03. > :33:08.devolved administrations to determine the right way to spend the

:33:09. > :33:12.money and actually farmers benefit from the way this is done. But I

:33:13. > :33:21.will look very carefully at the point he makes. Speaking I think the

:33:22. > :33:24.Prime Minister for all his for all his work on behalf of our country

:33:25. > :33:29.over the last months and years. Exports to China to Germany from the

:33:30. > :33:33.UK as shown in significant increases. Does not this showed that

:33:34. > :33:39.the opportunities for trade outside the EU are not what some would a

:33:40. > :33:44.constraint by membership of the EU. You don't is that your trade with

:33:45. > :33:53.China by doing listed with the EU. He's absolutely right. Last year

:33:54. > :33:56.every single colleague on this side of the House stood successfully

:33:57. > :34:02.under the leadership of my right honourable friend the one niche and

:34:03. > :34:05.conservative team. Would my right honourable friend agree with me that

:34:06. > :34:10.what ever that use of members on this side of the House, and for that

:34:11. > :34:16.matter I fully support the Prime Minister, what about the abuse and

:34:17. > :34:20.the outcome of the European union referendum, we must unify once again

:34:21. > :34:25.as a party to ensure that you ever our path into the 2020 election does

:34:26. > :34:30.not allow accidentally Jeremy Quarterman and his Labour

:34:31. > :34:34.colleagues. I agree this is always going to be a difficult process went

:34:35. > :34:36.in the Labour Party as well as in the Conservative Party there are

:34:37. > :34:41.people on both sides of the debate. I think this is such a big question

:34:42. > :34:44.and questions that will be answered ultimately by people rather than

:34:45. > :34:47.politicians. We should all be big enough to have an honest but open

:34:48. > :34:58.and polite disagreement and then come back together afterwards. I

:34:59. > :35:02.take the Prime Minister back to an election commitment in 2014 when he

:35:03. > :35:05.and I along with thousands of conservative activists campaigned on

:35:06. > :35:11.a promise to restore control of our borders. The Prime Minister says in

:35:12. > :35:14.that year I will go to Brussels and I will not take no for an answer.

:35:15. > :35:18.When it comes to free movement I will get what Britain needs. What

:35:19. > :35:22.changed last week was like what changed last week is that we are

:35:23. > :35:29.reforming to make sure that we can keep our fraudsters criminals and

:35:30. > :35:33.those peddling sham marriages, make sure we can apply British rules to

:35:34. > :35:38.foreign nationals to European citizens as well. The secretary

:35:39. > :35:44.negotiated incredibly hard knowing this was the one moment we had the

:35:45. > :35:48.ability to make these changes and reversed European court judgements

:35:49. > :35:56.in order that we do reform free movement. This is that what we have

:35:57. > :36:00.done. I thank my Honorable friend for the referendum first of all. He

:36:01. > :36:04.and I fundamentally disagree as he notes. My concerns for immigration

:36:05. > :36:14.which he said he would contain, we have a net migration of about 1000

:36:15. > :36:20.40,000 at the moment. Every year that is the size of a small city in

:36:21. > :36:25.this country. Surely that is unsustainable and what his position

:36:26. > :36:29.is and will not prevent that from happening. Where I agree with my

:36:30. > :36:33.Honorable friend is that we have to do more to control immigration. We

:36:34. > :36:37.look at the net migration in the UK, it is made up of half and half

:36:38. > :36:42.roughly. Half outside the EU which shows us what we need to do to shut

:36:43. > :36:46.down the bogus colleges to make sure that people are coming unfairly.

:36:47. > :36:50.Would end the EU the most we can do is to withdraw the artificial draw

:36:51. > :36:55.of additional welfare payments. The fact that people can get ?10,000 in

:36:56. > :37:00.the first year they come, surely that is an important determination.

:37:01. > :37:03.I am convinced of the convex measures we can get immigration down

:37:04. > :37:08.and do it while we're waiting is member the European Union. During

:37:09. > :37:11.the general election it was reported that the Prime Minister had

:37:12. > :37:16.expressed some concern about the coverage of the BBC in the election

:37:17. > :37:20.and his impartiality. What assurances can the Prime Minister

:37:21. > :37:27.give me so I can relate that to my constituents that BBC won't abuse

:37:28. > :37:32.its position against? LAUGHTER Politicians complaining about the

:37:33. > :37:34.BBC is a pretty common activity. I remember the former First Minister

:37:35. > :37:41.of Scotland getting quite heated about this issue. Every media

:37:42. > :37:46.organisation is under obligation. Sorry let me restate that. That is

:37:47. > :37:53.not true the newspapers. Every regulated television business is

:37:54. > :38:01.under duty of impartiality. But I'm sure that they will carry that out.

:38:02. > :38:05.I think the Prime Minister and all colleagues and all 103 backbenchers

:38:06. > :38:13.who took part in this important exchange. Before we proceed, I will

:38:14. > :38:21.of course take points of order. Thank you Mr Speaker. I made the

:38:22. > :38:26.office is aware of my attentions. Mr Speaker last week after much delay

:38:27. > :38:29.the long waited reports on the mental health task force was

:38:30. > :38:32.published. On the same government day -- day the government made a

:38:33. > :38:36.series of announcements to the media in response to the report. This is a

:38:37. > :38:40.courtesy that is still yet to be afforded to this house. Mr Speaker

:38:41. > :38:46.this is a vital moment for mental health in England. This is highly

:38:47. > :38:49.regrettable that this report was published during recess preventing

:38:50. > :38:53.members from all sides of this house from scrutinising its findings and

:38:54. > :38:58.questioning the government on the response to it. Can you advise the

:38:59. > :39:02.Mr Speaker or whether you had given any indication from ministers on

:39:03. > :39:05.whether they plan to make a statement on the mental health task

:39:06. > :39:12.force and allow the opportunity to question the government on

:39:13. > :39:17.announcements that they have made? Thanks to Lady for her order and

:39:18. > :39:20.given me a chance to respond to it. Now I have not received an

:39:21. > :39:25.indication that the Minister plans to make a statement on the matter.

:39:26. > :39:31.What I would say provisionally, on the basis of having learned of this

:39:32. > :39:36.matter, only this morning. Significant announcements of changes

:39:37. > :39:42.in policy should be made first to the House. That means save in cases

:39:43. > :39:47.of emergency to the House, while it is sitting. Of course Honorable

:39:48. > :39:53.members and others can and do access to reports, whether or not the rep

:39:54. > :40:00.house is sitting and can pursue their content in debate and in

:40:01. > :40:03.questions. In this case I will cause further inquiries to be made on the

:40:04. > :40:13.content and timing of this particular announcement. Point of

:40:14. > :40:19.order Mr Alberto Costa. Begu Mr Speaker. When referring to

:40:20. > :40:26.parliamentary sovereignty and its affect across the United Kingdom,

:40:27. > :40:32.specifically Mr Speaker I seek your guidance on how the parliamentary

:40:33. > :40:36.sovereignty should applies equally in Scotland as it doesn't in

:40:37. > :40:45.England. This is not within in the 1953 McCormick case of course. Order

:40:46. > :40:51.I say today's of the Honorable gentleman. I am trying to be kind to

:40:52. > :40:56.the Honorable gentleman who is a new member. If the Honorable gentleman

:40:57. > :40:59.wants to raise points of order to argue about the proprieties of

:41:00. > :41:08.parliamentary procedure, perhaps he would learn that in Leader of the

:41:09. > :41:13.Opposition, he should not call him by name. People have really got to

:41:14. > :41:18.be careful of their own sound ground if they start playing the procedural

:41:19. > :41:22.card. Secondly I said very kindly to the honourable gentleman and, whose

:41:23. > :41:32.intellect and eloquence are of course evident to all, LAUGHTER.

:41:33. > :41:39.This does not seem to need to be a matter of a point of appointed

:41:40. > :41:49.order. This is an argument between opposing lawyers. We'll leave it

:41:50. > :41:55.there for now. OK if there are no further points of order, perhaps we

:41:56. > :42:03.can first best proceed with our later business. The court will now

:42:04. > :42:15.read the orders of the The Northern Ireland storm and agreements

:42:16. > :42:21.reading. I call to move the second reading of the bill. The second

:42:22. > :42:25.Terry of state of Northern Ireland. Thank you Mr Speaker. I would like

:42:26. > :42:32.to move that the bill now be read in second time. This gives key elements

:42:33. > :42:39.of the 2015 and the Stormont House Agreement of 20 15. This is an

:42:40. > :42:43.review of implementation of those agreements which taken together have

:42:44. > :42:46.the potential to secure a more peaceful, stable, and prosperous

:42:47. > :42:50.future for Northern Ireland. Before returning to the detail of the

:42:51. > :42:54.causes, I will remind the House of some background to their content. As

:42:55. > :42:58.the House will recall, followed December ten weeks of intensive

:42:59. > :43:04.talks the government along with the Northern Ireland's executive parties

:43:05. > :43:10.and the Irish reach the storm and house agreement on December 23 of

:43:11. > :43:13.2014. That address many of the most mythic and challenges facing

:43:14. > :43:18.Northern Ireland. Some of those such as not standing agreements over

:43:19. > :43:21.flags parading in the past. These were damaging to political

:43:22. > :43:29.relationships within the default is that the tubes. Of these particular

:43:30. > :43:33.what the state of the executives finance and jeopardising the

:43:34. > :43:38.effectiveness and even the continues dependability of the devolution

:43:39. > :43:42.itself. That agreement included proposals to give the executive and

:43:43. > :43:46.workable and sustainable budget, to set a path to which it dissolving

:43:47. > :43:52.contingent issues around lack symbols and parading, to establish

:43:53. > :43:55.new bodies to tackle the legacy of Northern Ireland's past, and to

:43:56. > :44:00.deliver reforms that things will work better. All of this was

:44:01. > :44:04.underpinned by a financial package giving the executives around to

:44:05. > :44:13.billions in actual spending. The Stormont House Agreement was and

:44:14. > :44:15.remains a good deal for Northern Ireland. By last summer it was clear

:44:16. > :44:22.that implementation had stalled. This is largely due to disagreements

:44:23. > :44:26.within the executive team. They also withdrew their support for the

:44:27. > :44:31.welfare reform package. As the stand is off continued this happened in

:44:32. > :44:37.effect in preventing decisions of other elements of the agreement.

:44:38. > :44:42.Sadly the sense of crisis was intensified by to brutal murders in

:44:43. > :44:47.Belfast -- one in May and one in August. This is what again raised

:44:48. > :44:51.the spectre of the malign influence of the paramilitary activity on the

:44:52. > :44:55.streets of Northern Ireland. As we entered last autumn, the political

:44:56. > :45:01.situation was looking increasingly perilous. We face a real prospect

:45:02. > :45:08.that reservations might treble trigger early elections and easily

:45:09. > :45:12.lead to the collapse of the devolved institutions. That would have been a

:45:13. > :45:16.very major setback. After all that has been achieved on the successive

:45:17. > :45:20.governments during the past 20 years. It was an outcome that the

:45:21. > :45:27.government was strenuously and decisively acting to try and avoid.

:45:28. > :45:31.Firstly in a speech in Cambridge on the 5th of September, I make clear

:45:32. > :45:35.that we could not let the financial imparts continued indefinitely. If

:45:36. > :45:39.there was not a resolution to the dispute, we would be left with no

:45:40. > :45:43.option but to legislate for Greece -- welfare reform in Westminster.

:45:44. > :45:47.Secondly on following discussions with my right honourable friend the

:45:48. > :45:50.Prime Minister, it was decided that the time was right to have a second

:45:51. > :45:55.round of cross party talks which began at storm in how on the 8th of

:45:56. > :46:01.December. Once again these included the five largest part of the

:46:02. > :46:05.Northern Ireland Assembly. In accordance with the long established

:46:06. > :46:12.three standard approach to Northern Ireland affairs. The objectives we

:46:13. > :46:15.set ourselves were twofold. To secure the full implementation of

:46:16. > :46:22.the Stormont House Agreement and also to work with paramilitary --

:46:23. > :46:26.paramilitary activity. These concluded on the 17th of November

:46:27. > :46:31.with a document entitled the fresh start Stormont agreement and

:46:32. > :46:37.implementation plan. This was agreed between the UK Government the Irish

:46:38. > :46:41.government and the national is in the executives. In the governments

:46:42. > :46:45.view that agreement goes a long way to satisfy the objectives that the

:46:46. > :46:50.participants of the talks that themselves. It gives the executive a

:46:51. > :46:55.stable and sustainable budget, including wealth over form. It am

:46:56. > :47:00.blocked progress on other crucial elements of the Stormont House

:47:01. > :47:06.Agreement. And on parent military activity, the agreement strongly

:47:07. > :47:09.prefers for the long and places fresh obligations on Northern

:47:10. > :47:14.Ireland's political representatives to work together with determination

:47:15. > :47:17.to reach society and filled urgently -- paramilitary activity. That

:47:18. > :47:20.agreement by the previous one was underpinned by financial package

:47:21. > :47:27.from the UK Government this time worth up to half alien pounds. I can

:47:28. > :47:31.inform the House of progress on his limitation of the agreement has been

:47:32. > :47:36.good. The day after it was reached on the 18th of November, the

:47:37. > :47:42.assembly passed the latest live -- legislative consent motion for the

:47:43. > :47:48.-- Westminster to go ahead. The subsequent Northern Ireland welfare

:47:49. > :47:51.reform act was given on the 25th of November and the related woods has

:47:52. > :47:55.on the 20th of December. The government is now working on the

:47:56. > :47:58.secondary legislation to deliver the new welfare system in Northern

:47:59. > :48:04.Ireland. We hope to be in a position to begin bringing this forward

:48:05. > :48:08.shortly with a view to completing its passage through both houses as

:48:09. > :48:12.soon as we are able to. On the 21st of December, the UK and Irish

:48:13. > :48:17.governments along with the Northern Ireland Executive established a

:48:18. > :48:21.joint agency task force to reinforce efforts to tackle cross

:48:22. > :48:26.jurisdictional organised crime. The executive has established a 3-person

:48:27. > :48:33.panel to make recommendations for a ranging strategy to expand

:48:34. > :48:37.paramilitary groups. The appointments for the new commission

:48:38. > :48:40.is underway. A bill of the government departments from 12 to

:48:41. > :48:45.not have completed its consideration in the assembly and a further bill

:48:46. > :48:48.to reduce the number of MLA in their prestigious seat from six to five is

:48:49. > :48:54.set for a final stage of consideration in the assembly

:48:55. > :48:58.tomorrow. The bill before the House today represents further significant

:48:59. > :49:01.progress doing with elements of the fresh start agreement which require

:49:02. > :49:08.UK Government legislation. Clauses one through five are to be agreed

:49:09. > :49:13.between the UK and Irish governments and will establish the independent

:49:14. > :49:17.report commissioned. The bill sets out the commissions primary

:49:18. > :49:20.objective to promote progress toward ending paramilitary activity

:49:21. > :49:24.collected with Northern Ireland. It will report on progress towards that

:49:25. > :49:27.objective and on the implementation of relevant measures by the UK

:49:28. > :49:33.Government, the Irish government, and the executive, which we were

:49:34. > :49:39.greeted in the fresh start agreement. The bill makes provision

:49:40. > :49:44.for key aspects including the duties to which it will be subject and the

:49:45. > :49:48.legal privileges to be conferred on it as an international body. These

:49:49. > :49:52.are intended to make sure that the commission is able to engage with a

:49:53. > :49:57.range of sources of information in performing its important functions,

:49:58. > :50:02.but avoids doing anything that might put safety and national security at

:50:03. > :50:05.risk. I appreciate the honourable members looking at the text of the

:50:06. > :50:09.treaty. It is not possible to provide that today because it is not

:50:10. > :50:14.yet agreed between the UK and Irish governments. But of course we will

:50:15. > :50:25.pay for -- plays a copy in the House library as soon as possible in June.

:50:26. > :50:28.The remaining Clause talks about allocation after 14 days after the

:50:29. > :50:34.assembly meets following an election. The purpose of this

:50:35. > :50:39.agreement and change will allow parties more time to agree on a

:50:40. > :50:44.cross party but basis prior to the allocation of ministerial positions.

:50:45. > :50:52.It is hoped that this will encourage all parties approach to a programme

:50:53. > :50:56.for Government. Clause seven will talk about the fresh start agreement

:50:57. > :51:00.and giving unequivocal support to the rule of law and to work

:51:01. > :51:07.collectively to achieve a society free of paramilitary for. Clause

:51:08. > :51:11.eight introduces a similar undertaking by all members of the

:51:12. > :51:19.assembly -- assembly. Clause nine talks about the commitment of it

:51:20. > :51:24.can't relent, with assembly consent to increase fiscal transparency in

:51:25. > :51:35.executive budgets. That's helping the executive to deliver affordable

:51:36. > :51:44.and sustainable budgets. If I may take a back to talk on a new pledge

:51:45. > :51:49.introduced for all MLS that they can not participate in any procedures

:51:50. > :51:52.and do anything with the assembly unless they have taken this new

:51:53. > :52:00.pledge. However when they have taken the new pledge, what do they do to

:52:01. > :52:08.be faithful to honour and who actually decides? Not shooting of

:52:09. > :52:11.any sanctions for the actions of MLA is an matter for the assembly rather

:52:12. > :52:17.than for the legislation here today and for this chamber. I am grateful

:52:18. > :52:22.to the Honorable Lady for her intervention. Going back to Clause

:52:23. > :52:27.nine, it provides that the Northern Ireland Executive Finance Minister

:52:28. > :52:37.will have a duty to specify... Thank you this doesn't deputy speaker I'm

:52:38. > :52:43.very sorry to... In response by the Secretary of State. Clause eight

:52:44. > :52:51.Ashley goes on to say that standing orders should provide the procedure,

:52:52. > :52:54.given the ever taken, that there will be standing orders passed by

:52:55. > :53:02.the assembly about sanctions for those MLS who do not honour so it

:53:03. > :53:06.must be this legislation. I did not mean my answer to sound flippant or

:53:07. > :53:12.not serious at all but it remains the case that the bill does not

:53:13. > :53:15.provide for sanctions nor does the fresh start agreement. In terms of

:53:16. > :53:20.internal matters of discipline within the assembly, that really is

:53:21. > :53:26.an matter for the assembly is held to determine. What I can provide is

:53:27. > :53:30.further clarification for this, obviously an individual who refuses

:53:31. > :53:35.to give the undertaking will be able to participate in assembly

:53:36. > :53:43.proceedings or received any of the privileges. I returned to Clause

:53:44. > :53:46.nine. It provides that the Northern Ireland Finance Minister will have a

:53:47. > :53:52.duty to specify to the assembly the amount of government funding

:53:53. > :53:56.available. The Minister will then need to show when delivering aid

:53:57. > :54:01.draft a budget the amount of government funding required by that

:54:02. > :54:13.draft budget does not exceed the amount specified. She agreed that

:54:14. > :54:17.the provisions that were outlined to the extent here. Should members not

:54:18. > :54:24.take their oath here and they receive privileges and benefits here

:54:25. > :54:29.and are not excluded, maybe we should be learning something from

:54:30. > :54:34.the situation in Northern Ireland. I am very much aware of his concerns

:54:35. > :54:38.and his parties about such matters and of course the issues relating to

:54:39. > :54:41.the privileges and expenses are house business and he and his

:54:42. > :54:46.colleagues are welcome to praise them at any time for the House to

:54:47. > :54:54.consider those matters. Of course we are looking at short money on those

:54:55. > :54:57.matters as well. Just to take another step back in relation to the

:54:58. > :55:03.cross borders task force, I understand the meeting was held in

:55:04. > :55:10.December 2050 to establish that. Can you clarify for us today how often

:55:11. > :55:15.that passport will meet or is scheduled to meet? I think we need

:55:16. > :55:20.to distinguish between the ministerial meeting which was a one

:55:21. > :55:24.off from the agency task force which will meet regularly. I don't know

:55:25. > :55:28.that it has scheduled a timetable of meetings as yet. I'm sure once it

:55:29. > :55:33.does I can supply him with details of that. One would expect it to meet

:55:34. > :55:37.regularly to come to its important work. I know that the membership is

:55:38. > :55:45.being formulated. So it is already cracking on with its work. Yes.

:55:46. > :55:51.Certainly. Would she agree with me that the cross-border cooperation

:55:52. > :55:55.and the issues of organised crime are made much easier if the Republic

:55:56. > :56:00.of Ireland and Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK are members of

:56:01. > :56:02.the European Union? What I was wondering when that subject would

:56:03. > :56:07.come up. LAUGHTER . I can assure him that there are a

:56:08. > :56:10.whole range of reasons why the relationship between the UK and

:56:11. > :56:17.Ireland has improved massively over recent years. So Mr Speaker that

:56:18. > :56:22.outlines the main features of the short but important piece of the

:56:23. > :56:26.Northern Ireland legislation. Thank you for giving way Secretary of

:56:27. > :56:31.State. There is one area that is not in this bill. Can a security Terry

:56:32. > :56:37.of state informed us or confirm for us when the legacy bill will be

:56:38. > :56:40.coming forward because there aren't many people through northern Ireland

:56:41. > :56:47.who are deeply grieving and want to know when those proposals will come

:56:48. > :56:50.forward. Well the honourable member raises a very important issue which

:56:51. > :56:56.I was about to come onto. Sadly I will not be able to give her a date

:56:57. > :57:01.for presentation of that legislation but I shall go into and I am

:57:02. > :57:04.determined to work as hard as I can to build the consensus necessary to

:57:05. > :57:07.allow us to introduce that legislation. I agree with her that

:57:08. > :57:13.is very important that we press ahead. So Mr Speaker I must put on

:57:14. > :57:18.record my gratitude to her majesties opposition to agreeing to a somewhat

:57:19. > :57:22.faster than usual passage for this legislation through the House. This

:57:23. > :57:28.should enable measures related to the pledge of offers the undertaking

:57:29. > :57:33.and the extension of time available, to be in place in time for the new

:57:34. > :57:37.assembly when it meets in May. It will enable the new independent

:57:38. > :57:42.reporting commission to be established as soon as possible. I

:57:43. > :57:45.am very conscious of the honourable ladies pointed there are important

:57:46. > :57:48.elements in the storm and house agreement that are sadly not in the

:57:49. > :57:59.building we are discussing today. I refer of

:58:00. > :58:04.Given that this legislation is going to be fast tracked, can the

:58:05. > :58:09.Secretary of State give an undertaking that the legacy bill

:58:10. > :58:12.will not be fast tracked and her commitment to building consensus

:58:13. > :58:17.will take proper consideration of victims and not just being cobbled

:58:18. > :58:21.between parties? I think any to reflect on that but I would

:58:22. > :58:26.definitely agree with them that the legacy bill is very much in a

:58:27. > :58:28.different category to these two pieces of legislation, the one that

:58:29. > :58:34.we are looking at today and the welfare legislation. So in those

:58:35. > :58:37.circumstances, we should do everything in our ability to make

:58:38. > :58:40.sure everything has a normal timetable though if you allow me, I

:58:41. > :58:44.will not give an absolute undertaking on that for the purposes

:58:45. > :58:47.of today, but I think if we get to the stage of being able to present

:58:48. > :58:52.that else a parliament, it is highly likely we want to proceed with it on

:58:53. > :58:58.the basis of an ordinary timetable rather than an expedited one rather

:58:59. > :59:02.than the -- given the circumstances. Returning to those legacy bodies, as

:59:03. > :59:07.I set out in my speech in Belfast on the 11th of February, we remain

:59:08. > :59:10.committed to establishing these bodies. We have a manifesto

:59:11. > :59:14.commitment to do that. We will continue with our efforts to build

:59:15. > :59:18.consensus needed to allow us to present legislation to this house.

:59:19. > :59:25.We have made more progress than any of our predecessors in getting close

:59:26. > :59:29.to and achieving an agreement on the past. We are now closer than ever in

:59:30. > :59:33.resolving the main outstanding problems standing in the way of

:59:34. > :59:40.getting these new bodies set up and operating. I am going to continue to

:59:41. > :59:44.engage with the political parties in Northern Ireland, with victims and

:59:45. > :59:49.survivors, and with those who represent and I'm particularly

:59:50. > :59:53.grateful for the commission of victims and survivors and trying to

:59:54. > :59:56.facilitate this process and working hard to try with me to build

:59:57. > :00:02.consensus for these new bodies will stop I give way. Just on the legacy

:00:03. > :00:10.issue, would she agree with me that one element of the legacy issue that

:00:11. > :00:14.is paramount in the minds of many survivors is that under no account,

:00:15. > :00:18.under no circumstances, must Northern Ireland going forward be

:00:19. > :00:22.presented as a case of those who are perpetrators of violence are treated

:00:23. > :00:27.in the same weight as those who are innocent victims of that very

:00:28. > :00:31.violence? I entirely agree with them. We on this side of the House

:00:32. > :00:35.will not accept a rewrite of history. I think we should always

:00:36. > :00:42.recall that the dedication and sacrifice made by both the I you see

:00:43. > :00:46.and services in Northern Ireland, we should salute that sacrifice and in

:00:47. > :00:50.the vast majority of cases, the members of the security forces

:00:51. > :00:55.perform their duties with the outmost integrity and

:00:56. > :00:59.professionalism. I also want to pay tribute to the dignity and

:01:00. > :01:05.determination with which victims and survivors approach these matters

:01:06. > :01:09.under discussion of the legacy. I have been deeply moved on many

:01:10. > :01:13.occasions when I met victims and survivors to hear of their

:01:14. > :01:18.experiences and tragedies. I have welcomed the chance to meet many of

:01:19. > :01:22.them over my years of Secretary of State. They have divergent views on

:01:23. > :01:27.a number of issues but almost all of them are agreement that the current

:01:28. > :01:30.mechanisms for tackling legacy cases are not working as they should. The

:01:31. > :01:35.legacy bodies proposed in the Stormont House agreement will not be

:01:36. > :01:39.perfect and sadly, even when they are set up, they will not provide

:01:40. > :01:43.every answer to every question. Sadly there is no set of solutions

:01:44. > :01:48.that we can devise here in Stormont that could ever achievement. --

:01:49. > :01:53.achieved that. But there is a significant better outcome for

:01:54. > :01:57.victims and survivors in the status quo and for that reason, we will

:01:58. > :02:02.continue to pursue them with diligence and dedication. As a

:02:03. > :02:05.result of the Stormont house and Fresh Start Agreement, I think

:02:06. > :02:10.politics in Northern Ireland are probably more stable now than they

:02:11. > :02:13.have been in the past three years. Economically, while there was

:02:14. > :02:19.undoubtedly some heartbreaking news from a place last week, it is still

:02:20. > :02:23.the case that there are 46,000 more people in work since 2010 and the

:02:24. > :02:28.unemployment register is down by more than 40% since its peak in

:02:29. > :02:33.2013. The Fresh Start Agreement also takes us closer to the point when we

:02:34. > :02:36.are able to complete the transfer of Corporation tax powers to the

:02:37. > :02:41.executive and move which I believe could have a transformative effect

:02:42. > :02:43.on the economy there. As we go forward, there'll continue to be

:02:44. > :02:49.difficulties and challenges, I hardly need to remind the House that

:02:50. > :02:52.despite some success in suppressing their activities, the threat from

:02:53. > :02:57.distant Republicans is severe and the need for vigilance is constant.

:02:58. > :03:03.We are also of cores approaching some very sensitive since injuries,,

:03:04. > :03:08.iterations that could have deferred meanings for different parts of the

:03:09. > :03:12.community. But Northern Ireland is entering 2016 more positively than

:03:13. > :03:15.for some time. For our part, the government remains determined to

:03:16. > :03:19.deliver its manifesto commitment to help build a brighter, more secure

:03:20. > :03:22.future for Northern Ireland, this bill is intended to help that

:03:23. > :03:28.process and I commend it to the House. The question is that the bill

:03:29. > :03:35.be read a second time. Thank you very much. Can I welcome the

:03:36. > :03:45.Secretary of State to the debate. I hope she stays in.

:03:46. > :03:51.LAUGHTER Mr Deputy Speaker, this bill delivers some of the key

:03:52. > :03:56.aspects of the 17th of November 2015 fresh start and indeed the 2014

:03:57. > :04:03.Stormont House agreement. These agreements sent a financial pass

:04:04. > :04:07.Bell impasse in Northern Ireland that exposed us to the very real

:04:08. > :04:11.possibility of a return to direct role, which would have been

:04:12. > :04:17.disastrous. It is therefore of course very welcome. An interest in

:04:18. > :04:23.the sun since the bill. It is crucial that we stress the

:04:24. > :04:26.importance of economic development, the Secretary of State herself

:04:27. > :04:30.announced that the job losses in Bob RDA last week were a terrible blow

:04:31. > :04:33.to advanced manufacturing in Northern Ireland. And a personal

:04:34. > :04:37.tragedy for those losing their jobs as well as families. Who will now of

:04:38. > :04:43.course be seeking employment elsewhere. Jobs in Northern Ireland

:04:44. > :04:45.across the UK is crucial as the strength of the economy and

:04:46. > :04:54.opportunity helps to deliver progress. Of course the place

:04:55. > :04:57.investigates and eight -- works in a competitive market and that market

:04:58. > :05:01.is not as strong as we would like. However the government has a

:05:02. > :05:07.responsibility. So what is the government doing to support those

:05:08. > :05:10.who remain at Anbar DA. And what is the government doing to make sure

:05:11. > :05:15.those people are finding employment as swiftly as possible. And when the

:05:16. > :05:22.Minister of state comes up can he say more about that, what I've --

:05:23. > :05:25.what steps she and he will be having the rest of the government to

:05:26. > :05:31.encourage more direct foreign investment into Northern Ireland? Mr

:05:32. > :05:35.Deputy Speaker as we begin to discuss the bill, let's also remind

:05:36. > :05:41.ourselves that the previous 12 months in Ireland have not been

:05:42. > :05:46.easy. In the summer on the budgetary stalemate on the issue of welfare,

:05:47. > :05:50.that led to a political crisis which required all of the skill and

:05:51. > :05:55.commitment of those involved to get an agreement which would break the

:05:56. > :06:00.stalemate that existed. And allow progress to be made. I have said

:06:01. > :06:04.before, and want to put on record again, all of those involved

:06:05. > :06:07.including the Secretary of states, all of the parties in Northern

:06:08. > :06:11.Ireland, many of whom represented here and many of the members are

:06:12. > :06:15.represented. And the Irish government, they all deserve huge

:06:16. > :06:21.credit for achieving the Fresh Start Agreement. Without, as I said, there

:06:22. > :06:26.is a real risk of the collapse of devolution or its return to direct

:06:27. > :06:29.role. Either of which will have been unthinkable. I know there was huge

:06:30. > :06:32.disappointment as well that no agreement could be reached as we

:06:33. > :06:36.have heard on how to deal with the past. I and many others raise this

:06:37. > :06:43.issue in the House over the last few weeks and months. However, I know

:06:44. > :06:46.that progress was made. I am glad the Secretary of State has said and

:06:47. > :06:50.reiterated that now is not the time to give up but to try and build on

:06:51. > :06:54.the progress that has been made while recognising the challenges and

:06:55. > :06:57.difficulties that remain. The publication of the draft treaty on

:06:58. > :07:02.independent commission on information, which I think was very

:07:03. > :07:08.welcome, not only to show the direction of travel, but also to

:07:09. > :07:14.show how much progress was made indeed in the talks. Victims must be

:07:15. > :07:20.at the heart of any future agreements. And the heart of any

:07:21. > :07:23.agreement. That is clear to us all. The recent allegations in respect to

:07:24. > :07:26.various atrocities of the past demonstrate more than ever the need

:07:27. > :07:32.for process to be agreed. But victims must feel that they are not

:07:33. > :07:36.locked out of any progress and that is why I urge the Secretary of State

:07:37. > :07:40.to be as transparent as possible, even where difficulty remains, and

:07:41. > :07:44.as we continue to seek an agreement. Can I also say to the Secretary of

:07:45. > :07:47.State, given an agreement has not been reached on how to deal with the

:07:48. > :07:56.past and could not be included in this bill, we do need to look at the

:07:57. > :08:00.resources available to the corner services and others to support

:08:01. > :08:05.investigations to speed up the inquests that they continue to be

:08:06. > :08:13.required to do. More and more delay for victims is unacceptable. Would

:08:14. > :08:16.my honourable friend agree as I do with the first Minister of Northern

:08:17. > :08:23.Ireland who said that we need to get real about the investigations into

:08:24. > :08:26.these legacy cases. The PSI investigate within the budget

:08:27. > :08:31.constraints and they have to prioritise and they are doing more

:08:32. > :08:34.and more and they should receive funding from here, not having to

:08:35. > :08:39.take from their own resources to deal with the legacy of the past? I

:08:40. > :08:45.agree very much with the point that my honourable friend has made. I

:08:46. > :08:49.agree with the first Minister and others in Northern Ireland to have

:08:50. > :08:53.pointed out that notwithstanding the agreement has not been reached at

:08:54. > :08:59.how to deal with the legacy issues, the coroners office and others are

:09:00. > :09:02.still required to deal with the consequences of these issues. And

:09:03. > :09:06.therefore given that the Secretary of State has now put aside money,

:09:07. > :09:11.pending any agreement, surely it would be acceptable to give some of

:09:12. > :09:14.this money to those bodies to reflect on the continuing work that

:09:15. > :09:17.they have to do in trying to investigate and resolve some of the

:09:18. > :09:22.difficulties that they face. I think that is a perfectly reasonable

:09:23. > :09:26.request that has been made. I know she will not be able to answer that

:09:27. > :09:29.now but I think it is something the Secretary of State and the Minister

:09:30. > :09:35.of State with the government should consider in order to take forward.

:09:36. > :09:40.The Fresh Start Agreement does make it clear that the 150 million

:09:41. > :09:45.package to support legacy is linked to the establishment of the new

:09:46. > :09:50.bodies but, we are listening carefully to the representations

:09:51. > :09:53.made in particular to the inquests. If a form package for inquests will

:09:54. > :10:01.put together than we put together the inquests funding to support it.

:10:02. > :10:05.I think that is a helpful response from the secretary of state and I

:10:06. > :10:07.think everybody in this house and in Northern Ireland would have heard

:10:08. > :10:13.what she has just said and the implication of it is that she is

:10:14. > :10:16.open to making money available, both to the PSI and to the corner

:10:17. > :10:20.services in order to take this forward. I think the victims would

:10:21. > :10:24.expect that. They know it is difficult to come to an agreement in

:10:25. > :10:29.respect to how to do with the past, the institutions or proposed

:10:30. > :10:33.institutions are there. But at the agreement is not yet reached but the

:10:34. > :10:38.work has to be taken forward. Given that the money is there, we would

:10:39. > :10:42.support the Secretary of State in any sub micro point she has to make

:10:43. > :10:47.to the secretary to micro Treasury to support that work and to enable

:10:48. > :10:50.it to take place as soon as possible. I think people in Northern

:10:51. > :10:53.Ireland would expect that to happen as soon as possible as well and the

:10:54. > :10:58.have heard with the Secretary of have heard with the Secretary of

:10:59. > :11:02.State has just said. It has been a habit of dealing with Northern

:11:03. > :11:06.Ireland legislation in one day in this house. We believe that should

:11:07. > :11:12.only be the case when it is truly urgent. We support the emergency

:11:13. > :11:15.procedure, with respect to welfare reform, but I promised the Secretary

:11:16. > :11:20.of State that when I resume this role that we would maintain a bar

:11:21. > :11:24.pies and approach based on the approach of consent. -- bipartisan.

:11:25. > :11:28.I hope we have demonstrated that commitment. I want to make it clear

:11:29. > :11:32.to an expedited procedure, not to an expedited procedure, not

:11:33. > :11:36.emergency process. This allows members of this house and colleagues

:11:37. > :11:44.more time to consider the bill while still making it possible for us to

:11:45. > :11:47.obtain a sense of the forthcoming Northern Ireland elections. Can I

:11:48. > :11:51.say to the Secretary of State, my ascension is that any legislations

:11:52. > :11:55.of consent motion around this bill will be forthcoming in the necessary

:11:56. > :12:00.time. This will ensure that measures relating to the pledge, the

:12:01. > :12:05.undertaking, and the time available from the ministerial appointments

:12:06. > :12:08.are in place in time for the good ministerial return. Something I am

:12:09. > :12:16.told the parties themselves are keen to see happen. Can I support in a

:12:17. > :12:22.moment the point that the honourable member made about legacy issues were

:12:23. > :12:26.this to come before the House in due course. I think he made a fair and

:12:27. > :12:30.reasonable point about that given the importance and significance of

:12:31. > :12:33.that. I think anybody in Northern Ireland expect that to go through

:12:34. > :12:42.the due process and not be speeded up in any way given its significance

:12:43. > :12:47.and importance. I am grateful for the intervention. I would just like

:12:48. > :12:51.to ascertain whether her Majesty's opposition will be tailing

:12:52. > :12:58.amendments to make... That there will be a sanction for the MLA is

:12:59. > :13:04.who make the pledge, take the seats, and do not abide by the pledge.

:13:05. > :13:07.There is a code of ministerial responsibility and there are

:13:08. > :13:13.sanctions. But after this bill, there are no sanctions at all, it is

:13:14. > :13:21.an obvious gap in the draft. The honourable Lady, I am going to say

:13:22. > :13:25.something about those pledges. I think she is right in the sense of

:13:26. > :13:29.whether we table amendments or not, she is right to ask for

:13:30. > :13:33.clarification and the remarks I am making, I will quote one of the

:13:34. > :13:36.pledges, which has a qualification at the end of it to ask what that

:13:37. > :13:42.specifically means and I think the honourable Lady is absolutely right

:13:43. > :13:46.to ask questions about what these pledges actually mean and what

:13:47. > :13:49.happens in the case, given even excepting that it is Stormont

:13:50. > :13:55.business, I think it is right these questions are asked in this house.

:13:56. > :14:00.Mr Deputy Speaker, the bill would establish an independent commission

:14:01. > :14:03.as per progress being made toward the paramilitary activity in

:14:04. > :14:07.Northern Ireland. This is the key aspect of the bill, paramilitary

:14:08. > :14:10.activity is almost acceptable -- entirely uninhabitable but we have

:14:11. > :14:13.to consider in committee what progress has been made already and

:14:14. > :14:18.why this initiative will work when others have not. How progress will

:14:19. > :14:21.be judged and what happens when progress stalls. I would like to say

:14:22. > :14:24.to the Secretary of State a number of issues that will have to be

:14:25. > :14:28.exported in committee is the issue of disclosure will arise as the

:14:29. > :14:33.Secretary of State is required by the bill to issue guidance on how

:14:34. > :14:36.the national security and individuals are protected. ATX

:14:37. > :14:40.donation will be needed on this issue so that problems which prevent

:14:41. > :14:42.an agreement in the House to deal with the pass will not happen again

:14:43. > :14:50.and prevent the commission from working effectively or working at

:14:51. > :14:54.all. The bill as the honourable Lady mentioned also nullifies the pledge

:14:55. > :14:56.of office to be taken by the Northern Ireland ministers. The

:14:57. > :15:02.revised pledge would include fresh obligations to work together on

:15:03. > :15:07.shared objective of removing all forms of paramilitary groups and

:15:08. > :15:10.activity. The Bill introduces a parallel activity for members of

:15:11. > :15:15.assembly against something to be welcome to demonstrating the

:15:16. > :15:20.peaceful pursuit of change and progress. I just use one example,

:15:21. > :15:24.the revised pledge includes commitments and the committee stage

:15:25. > :15:27.I think members might want to see further explanation about the detail

:15:28. > :15:34.of these pledges. For example, one of the commitments says to ask that

:15:35. > :15:38.no authority, directional control, on political activities other than

:15:39. > :15:44.my democratic mandate alongside my own personal and party judgement. I

:15:45. > :15:48.think the committee may have a qualification in that pledge

:15:49. > :15:52.explained fully. The bill also extends the period allowed for the

:15:53. > :15:56.Northern Ireland ministers will visibly is selected from seven to 14

:15:57. > :15:59.days and this will hopefully allow more time for programme of

:16:00. > :16:05.government to be agreed. It also makes provisions to allow trips --

:16:06. > :16:09.fiscal transparency and the delivery of sustainable budget. In other

:16:10. > :16:14.words it will need to clearly set out with the UK government is

:16:15. > :16:18.providing an terms of the spending is how to be funded. I look forward

:16:19. > :16:31.to some interesting discussions on that one. Does he therefore accept

:16:32. > :16:40.that on principle, if a member in this house does not take their oath,

:16:41. > :16:45.that therefore the privileges in this house should entirely be

:16:46. > :16:47.removed from them? As the Secretary of State, of course this is house

:16:48. > :16:51.business but you would expect anybody as a member of this house to

:16:52. > :16:59.have committed themselves to the Democratic pursuit to democracy and

:17:00. > :17:01.to the pursuit of decisions through Jim -- democratic means. That is

:17:02. > :17:09.expected from everybody in this house. So he accepts our principal,

:17:10. > :17:14.would he then from the normal channels, through the government

:17:15. > :17:19.bring a motion to this house and finally resolve the anomaly that

:17:20. > :17:24.exists that allows Irish Republicans to benefit from privileges in this

:17:25. > :17:27.house without taking the oath? That is house business and I cannot

:17:28. > :17:31.commit myself to that but I believe the honourable member has heard what

:17:32. > :17:35.I have to say about that and as I say, it is something that we would

:17:36. > :17:40.expect all members of this house to commit themselves to the democratic

:17:41. > :17:52.process and to democracy. I think that is what all of us have done. I

:17:53. > :17:54.was talking about the budget and the perks -- promoting fiscal

:17:55. > :17:58.transparency for a sustainable budget, I think this'll be another

:17:59. > :18:05.area that will need to be in committee. To conclude, Northern

:18:06. > :18:09.Ireland is not out of conflict, it is coming out of conflict. Huge

:18:10. > :18:16.progress has been made but challenges remain. Paramilitary

:18:17. > :18:21.activity still hangs over too many communities and impacts on too many

:18:22. > :18:25.people. This activity, whether public or otherwise never had it

:18:26. > :18:33.place in society and has no place now. The bill represents a split

:18:34. > :18:37.towards the principal at the heart of any democracy. The rule of law is

:18:38. > :18:43.paramount in every community. Law and force by the police is subject

:18:44. > :18:48.to an independent judiciary. The success of this bill, the new

:18:49. > :18:55.pledges, and independent commission, which will be judged on how far they

:18:56. > :18:59.bring back all about. Thank you Mr Deputy Speaker, I want to make a

:19:00. > :19:05.fairly brief intervention in this debate. Before I do so I wonder if

:19:06. > :19:14.you would allow me to for a few seconds refer to and pay tribute to

:19:15. > :19:18.my constituency who just a few days ago died very suddenly. --

:19:19. > :19:22.constituents. He worked with me for 14 years and took a particular

:19:23. > :19:27.interest in matters in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland,

:19:28. > :19:32.helping me quite a bit with my work on the select committee but also as

:19:33. > :19:38.co-chairman of British Irish commentary assembly. His death is a

:19:39. > :19:44.stunning shock and my heart goes out to his parents, Ryan and Maureen, so

:19:45. > :19:48.I hope it is in order for me to give the greatest tribute to him possible

:19:49. > :19:53.today. I think I'll honourable members know how much we depend on

:19:54. > :19:57.our staff and when their personal friends as well, such a loss at the

:19:58. > :20:04.age of 49 is really a terrible situation. Thank you. Can I pay

:20:05. > :20:11.tribute to the Secretary of State for the work that she has done in

:20:12. > :20:16.getting us to this point. I think I know how difficult it was back in

:20:17. > :20:19.September I think it was, when it really did look like the

:20:20. > :20:26.institutions in Northern Ireland may collapse. I know how much work she

:20:27. > :20:31.put into it and her dedication was total, she is absolutely determined

:20:32. > :20:36.that institutions would not collapse, we would in fact find some

:20:37. > :20:39.degree of agreement, and a solution which would enable us to move

:20:40. > :20:43.forward and the fact that we are here today demonstrates that she was

:20:44. > :20:54.successful in that. I want to pay tribute to her and her team and the

:20:55. > :21:00.very hard work that she put into it. Somebody in my position before it

:21:01. > :21:04.was select committee Chairman, I served as shadow Minister for five

:21:05. > :21:09.years I think it was. During some of that time, we dealt with some awful

:21:10. > :21:14.legislation in committee of stairs. Statutory instruments, making badges

:21:15. > :21:18.-- making major decisions on behalf of Parliament and people in Northern

:21:19. > :21:22.Ireland. And on many of those occasions, at the beginning of the

:21:23. > :21:26.stooges I was making, I did say how wrong and inappropriate it was to

:21:27. > :21:31.government province and that way. But we really did face the prospect

:21:32. > :21:40.of going back to that situation. That worried me and frightened me.

:21:41. > :21:44.It came about as a result of a couple of murders in Northern

:21:45. > :21:49.Ireland, tragic murders, and the linkage between those murders and

:21:50. > :21:53.people who were allegedly in the assembly or people in the assembly

:21:54. > :21:57.were allegedly sympathetic to that kind of activity. I am very pleased

:21:58. > :22:02.that this bill today makes it very clear that there is no place at all,

:22:03. > :22:06.either in this place or the assembly of Northern Ireland, for people who

:22:07. > :22:09.hold those beliefs. The famous statement we heard many years ago,

:22:10. > :22:18.the chilling statement, that would proceed with the... Those days are

:22:19. > :22:22.long gone. Anybody who tries to practice that or tries to carry out

:22:23. > :22:27.politics in that way really should be imprisoned, deprived of their

:22:28. > :22:29.liberty. There is no place in the Northern Ireland Assembly for those

:22:30. > :22:33.kinds of people. We would not in this place want to work on

:22:34. > :22:39.committees in this house or anywhere else with people who by day are in

:22:40. > :22:43.the debating chamber and that night on the streets causing problems and

:22:44. > :22:47.trouble, wreaking havoc. We would not accept that in this place and it

:22:48. > :22:51.should not be accepted in Northern Ireland so I am pleased that this

:22:52. > :22:59.bill paves the way for removing that kind of behaviour. I appreciate the

:23:00. > :23:02.point that he is making that sometimes you do have to stop and

:23:03. > :23:10.pinch yourself and recognise how far Northern Ireland has gone in the

:23:11. > :23:13.last number of years. The point he is making about Northern Ireland

:23:14. > :23:16.politicians taking decisions about the needs of the people of Northern

:23:17. > :23:21.Ireland is actually emphasised today. There has been something like

:23:22. > :23:23.26 amendments on the floor of the Northern Ireland Parliament today

:23:24. > :23:27.being voted on and consulted and considered by Northern Ireland

:23:28. > :23:32.elected representatives and that shows, instead of things being taken

:23:33. > :23:35.to committee rooms here, the decisions of people by the Northern

:23:36. > :23:40.Ireland representatives on the floor of the assembly are very prosperous

:23:41. > :23:45.and good opportunities. I am grateful to the honourable gentleman

:23:46. > :23:47.from making that point, he was able to exercise far stronger than I was

:23:48. > :23:53.able to the importance of assembly functioning. The great problem when

:23:54. > :23:59.we saw committee taking decisions just by the nature of this house,

:24:00. > :24:02.there were a few people in this committees from Northern Ireland. So

:24:03. > :24:06.the decisions were taken by people like myself and many other people

:24:07. > :24:09.from English constituencies with very few representatives from

:24:10. > :24:14.Northern Ireland so he is right to make that point. I think dealing

:24:15. > :24:21.with the paramilitary aspirant, that is the most urgent aspect but there

:24:22. > :24:26.are other issues as well which are in the bill today. One was the

:24:27. > :24:29.agreement of the budgets. I have said this before, when we have a

:24:30. > :24:34.situation where we have co-chairing rather than a straight Democratic

:24:35. > :24:38.situation like we have in this house, where we have a power-sharing

:24:39. > :24:42.situation, we all know why we have it and it brought people together.

:24:43. > :24:47.But if there is a compromise their and there has sometimes to be a

:24:48. > :24:53.compromise, whether in the way that the Northern Ireland Assembly does

:24:54. > :24:56.possess, that have to be times where executives take their stances, make

:24:57. > :25:00.their points, their objections, but at the end did the day, the House

:25:01. > :25:04.has to be in agreement because there've there is no agreement, if

:25:05. > :25:09.the views of the petition of concern and both sides have used it to

:25:10. > :25:12.excess, that is not actually going to be very helpful. If we cannot get

:25:13. > :25:18.agreement on important issues such as the budget, then we really do

:25:19. > :25:23.face the rather dark prospect of the institutions collapsing, as we

:25:24. > :25:28.almost saw and are now being brought back to the House. That is not

:25:29. > :25:34.something I want to see. When he is referring to the issues that reached

:25:35. > :25:38.consensus and agreement that was reached on, we agreed that the issue

:25:39. > :25:44.of cooperation tax was one that reached eventually consensus. When

:25:45. > :25:47.people were looking forward and are looking forward to the prospect of

:25:48. > :25:50.potentially tens of thousands of jobs being created in Northern

:25:51. > :25:57.Ireland. How does he feel about the delay that was caused in reaching

:25:58. > :26:04.the consensus, principally to Northern Ireland and UK membership

:26:05. > :26:09.that curtailed that for many years. The gentleman makes a good point, I

:26:10. > :26:13.would make two comments in response. When the select committee looked at

:26:14. > :26:19.this issue, it was the first issue would look that in my chairmanship

:26:20. > :26:25.in 2010. We found the committee was not unanimous in its support for

:26:26. > :26:29.involving the responsibilities for cooperation tax, but all the parties

:26:30. > :26:33.in general were in favour of it. So cooperation tax was one of the few

:26:34. > :26:37.issues that every part of Northern Ireland agreed with the policy on.

:26:38. > :26:41.That was a real positive and the honourable gentleman not afraid is

:26:42. > :26:45.absolutely right. We had done something about it then -- could

:26:46. > :26:48.have done something about it. The tax rates in Northern Ireland could

:26:49. > :26:53.have been changed in 2010 or long before that, if that had not been

:26:54. > :26:57.for our membership in the European Union. I am not sure how far out the

:26:58. > :27:02.Deputy Speaker will allow me to pursue that argument, but the point

:27:03. > :27:11.made by the gentleman, or even if we wanted to reduce tourism in Northern

:27:12. > :27:13.Ireland, that would not be legal under European union rolls. There

:27:14. > :27:18.are a number of ways looking at membership of EU and we spent two

:27:19. > :27:21.and a half hours on it earlier and I do not think we'll be able to spend

:27:22. > :27:35.too much longer on it now but the point he makes is absolutely right.

:27:36. > :27:40.There is always Thursday. I was just making the point that I accept the

:27:41. > :27:43.petitions of concern have been used on both sides and that there has not

:27:44. > :27:48.actually been very helpful in coming to an agreement on important issues.

:27:49. > :27:52.I know that it's often sending legislation but I do know the

:27:53. > :27:56.present -- fresh start agreement to address that point and for the

:27:57. > :27:59.request and a very strong way that is not a facility with which should

:28:00. > :28:04.be abused for the reasons we have given. Mr Deputy Speaker, I don't

:28:05. > :28:09.wish to detain the House any longer but this bill is a small bill. I

:28:10. > :28:15.think it is a very important Bill. It moves us in the right direction

:28:16. > :28:18.and again I thought mama and congratulate the secretaries of

:28:19. > :28:25.state not only for introducing this bill but also on the amount of hard

:28:26. > :28:29.work she has put in. Mr Deputy Speaker thank you I will be brief in

:28:30. > :28:36.order to allow time for other members to contribute to the debate.

:28:37. > :28:39.There were a lot of people who would rather see this whole process fail

:28:40. > :28:43.than succeed. They have their reasons and there is some form of

:28:44. > :28:47.logic that defend that position. It is however the right of the people

:28:48. > :28:51.to govern themselves to take decisions close to home and to

:28:52. > :28:55.protect their fees. In the case of Northern Ireland, that is a piece

:28:56. > :29:00.which was fashioned relatively recently and with great expense and

:29:01. > :29:04.his harried by continued undercurrent by the minorities. We

:29:05. > :29:11.should note that the political leaders on all sides of the debate

:29:12. > :29:15.of northern Ireland do have a legacy to address that may cause them some

:29:16. > :29:20.long and uncomfortable beds in the times ahead. They must however find

:29:21. > :29:22.a way to put the history of the communities in context when there

:29:23. > :29:29.look into the future of those communities. The skies of yesterday

:29:30. > :29:32.cannot be allowed to become open once again. It seems to me that that

:29:33. > :29:37.is the hardest task they face no matter what happens in this place.

:29:38. > :29:41.The land has paid a heavy price for being what it is and where it is.

:29:42. > :29:48.The communities that belong to the land have paid a heavy price for

:29:49. > :29:54.ideology and in transit fees over the years. This chamber has seen

:29:55. > :29:57.many debates, questions, and angry exchanges which at times seemed to

:29:58. > :30:03.pay little or no attention to the lies being affected and often lost.

:30:04. > :30:08.This bill is a step forward in providing it is by accepted storm.

:30:09. > :30:12.There is no magic wand to wave. But a collective movement will allow the

:30:13. > :30:16.politicians of storm and more freedom for the direction of travel.

:30:17. > :30:21.It is they that must address the legacy issues and address at

:30:22. > :30:24.BellSouth and London. The storm and should decide on the domestic

:30:25. > :30:29.programmes to serve their people. They will operate under some severe

:30:30. > :30:34.financial restrictions but they will at least have control over the tech

:30:35. > :30:39.session they will need. The devolution of corporation tax, the

:30:40. > :30:43.in all be able to decide tax rates and incentives for companies

:30:44. > :30:46.companies as well as individuals. I see no reason why the other devolved

:30:47. > :30:52.administration should not have the same power. There are gaps that have

:30:53. > :30:56.open between the points of the storm and house agreement and the fresh

:30:57. > :31:00.start agreement and this bill. I welcome the Bill and the forward

:31:01. > :31:03.momentum it takes to keep going. I congratulate the team that has

:31:04. > :31:10.brought it this far. I assume that these were not the easiest days.

:31:11. > :31:15.Gratitude should go to those in this chamber who have played a positive

:31:16. > :31:19.and forward-looking role in this process. The secretary of state of

:31:20. > :31:23.course and particularly those members here who represent

:31:24. > :31:26.constituencies in Northern Ireland. But while acknowledging the efforts

:31:27. > :31:33.of the administrators on this side of the Irish seat, we should also

:31:34. > :31:36.acknowledge the efforts of their counterparts in Dublin. Throughout

:31:37. > :31:42.the preprocessor and the development of devotion they have been vital to

:31:43. > :31:46.deliver the possibility of a peaceful and prosperous future. I

:31:47. > :31:49.think we should note that in this year of remembrance for the Irish

:31:50. > :31:53.nation, the people of Northern Ireland who suffer the effects of

:31:54. > :31:57.the troubles and continue to suffer them now, in the form of higher

:31:58. > :32:02.unemployment and a legacy of arrested community development, who

:32:03. > :32:05.I associate myself very much with the comments made by the Secretary

:32:06. > :32:10.of state about economic development, nothing will change that overnight.

:32:11. > :32:19.We are and at least looking in the right direction now. The S

:32:20. > :32:23.supports the passage of this bill. Element thank you Mr Deputy Speaker

:32:24. > :32:33.and I will begin by welcoming the introduction on the second reading

:32:34. > :32:36.to bid on this bill. We of course on these benches support the bill and

:32:37. > :32:39.the proposal to fast-track the legislation. Cannot command the

:32:40. > :32:47.Secretary of State or her speech to the House. I have to say there were

:32:48. > :32:52.a number of very wise statement that she has been making in relation to

:32:53. > :33:01.Northern Ireland and I commend her on all of those statements. Hear,

:33:02. > :33:06.hear!. Mr Deputy Speaker is a general rule we are keen to see the

:33:07. > :33:12.fullest possible parliamentary scrutiny of legislation affecting

:33:13. > :33:16.northern Ireland. In the past we have passed legislation on an

:33:17. > :33:21.emergency basis. Quite often this was unavoidable. It was nevertheless

:33:22. > :33:27.understandable. We all accept, for the reasons that the honourable

:33:28. > :33:32.gentleman has outlined, this was not the best way in which to operate. He

:33:33. > :33:36.has illustrated that this evening. It was often the result of some

:33:37. > :33:40.breakdown or failure of the political process of Northern

:33:41. > :33:43.Ireland. We're glad to say that this bill does not fall into that

:33:44. > :33:49.category. This bill has actually been brought forward as a result of

:33:50. > :33:52.political agreement, not political disagreement or crisis. It is based

:33:53. > :33:57.on the political agreement last November and there been considerable

:33:58. > :34:02.consultation and work in the Northern Ireland Assembly and with

:34:03. > :34:04.the Northern Ireland Executive so that we can reach the stage that we

:34:05. > :34:11.are today. Of course this legislation should be born and is

:34:12. > :34:17.only part of the implementation process of the storm and agreement.

:34:18. > :34:22.There is a long list of issues which were agreed and which are all being

:34:23. > :34:26.progressed and implemented either in the assembly, through this house, or

:34:27. > :34:30.directly administered by the executive and other agencies. The

:34:31. > :34:38.Secretary of State has set those out. The executive for northern

:34:39. > :34:43.Ireland has already agreed the legislation consent motion should

:34:44. > :34:46.come forward to the assembly for the clauses of all matters. I understand

:34:47. > :34:52.that that legislative consent which will come before the assembly will

:34:53. > :34:57.happen in mid-March. I am confident Mr Deputy Speaker that despite the

:34:58. > :35:01.need to fast-track the legislation, we will have the opportunity for

:35:02. > :35:04.adequate consideration. It is important that a number of the

:35:05. > :35:12.measures that are introduced by this bill are in place so that when the

:35:13. > :35:16.assembly elections are held, and the results come in, that everything is

:35:17. > :35:18.in place for the new term of the assembly and the new executive to

:35:19. > :35:28.operate under the new legislation without any hiccup or delay or any?

:35:29. > :35:31.Over it. In particularly the probation in agreement of a

:35:32. > :35:37.programme for government stand in the period to appoint ministers and

:35:38. > :35:41.new paragraph for a pledge of office and undertaking for a malaise. Those

:35:42. > :35:50.are all absolutely essential that this House does with those before

:35:51. > :35:54.the assembly in March. Thank you. I am very grateful to the right

:35:55. > :36:01.honourable gentleman. In light of the recent controversy around the

:36:02. > :36:07.scrutiny of MLA expenses, unfortunately the damage that that

:36:08. > :36:14.does public confidence, I went with the right honourable gentleman agree

:36:15. > :36:20.that this bill would be inappropriate way in which we could

:36:21. > :36:24.introduce in Northern Ireland and institutions comparable and rebuild

:36:25. > :36:34.public confidence in the procedures in Northern Ireland? If that is a

:36:35. > :36:40.whole other area of debate. We will hold much argument and discussion in

:36:41. > :36:45.this house I'm sure. We discussed some time ago and could not get

:36:46. > :36:50.agreement. The First Minister of Northern Ireland gave a speech on

:36:51. > :36:52.Friday night outlining again the importance of transparency and on

:36:53. > :36:57.this matter being dealt with and taken forward in precisely that way.

:36:58. > :37:03.We have to say whether this bill is the right time to do that, remains

:37:04. > :37:06.to be seen. That would require consultation and agreement within

:37:07. > :37:10.Northern Ireland. It could happen and I would encourage parties to do

:37:11. > :37:18.that. I think it is important that the confidence is maintained in the

:37:19. > :37:20.integrity of the assembly. We in this house knows what it is to have

:37:21. > :37:25.gone through that type of controversies, so we want to ensure

:37:26. > :37:32.that teens are progressed properly and openly with the most

:37:33. > :37:37.transparency. You get stuck when they did do reporting about the

:37:38. > :37:41.instances of the Northern Ireland reaching, overall they found a

:37:42. > :37:51.satisfactory situation. Nevertheless we need to ensure that whatever

:37:52. > :37:55.steps need to be taken to introduce transparency, I would be in support

:37:56. > :38:01.of that and our party supports that. I think others will agree to that as

:38:02. > :38:04.well. Mr Deputy Speaker this bill as the secretary of state has said

:38:05. > :38:10.seeks to implement aspects of the fresh start agreement. The fresh

:38:11. > :38:15.start agreement does represent a new beginning for politics. . I'd

:38:16. > :38:23.totally recreate what about what you said for the situation in Northern

:38:24. > :38:28.Ireland people have seen an agreement can be made and it is most

:38:29. > :38:32.difficult things can get done when there is an agreement and we need to

:38:33. > :38:38.move forward. We must continue to build on that as we move forward.

:38:39. > :38:41.That wasn't exactly possible to resolve every issue especially in

:38:42. > :38:44.relation to the past. We have a discussed that and we'll discuss

:38:45. > :38:48.that in much greater detail. Of course that is in the bill. We

:38:49. > :38:53.should be discussing what is in the bill. Our party would like to say

:38:54. > :38:57.again that we are quite happy for the details on how far we have

:38:58. > :39:05.gotten for all of that to be published. All of the people who

:39:06. > :39:09.were affected as conceived openly how much work has been done and how

:39:10. > :39:12.much progress has been made. They can also see where the gaps are and

:39:13. > :39:17.what needs to be done in conclusion. But to issues that threatened

:39:18. > :39:26.imminent destruction of dilution of that time -- dilution of that time

:39:27. > :39:32.and paramilitary violence, whose manners have been addressed agreed,

:39:33. > :39:37.and dealt with, are subject to provisions in this bill. The

:39:38. > :39:42.resolution of the welfare reform issue was an extremely important

:39:43. > :39:45.issue. The importance of resolving that cannot be underestimated. This

:39:46. > :39:49.was the single most important issue from a financial aspect to be

:39:50. > :39:56.resolved by the assembly to function. Even after the fresh start

:39:57. > :40:02.agreement, there were still members of this house and members of the

:40:03. > :40:05.assembly who were opposing the implementation of the agreement.

:40:06. > :40:11.They did not seem to recognise that without a budget that would actually

:40:12. > :40:18.measure up and be sustainable, you just cannot continue with the

:40:19. > :40:23.involution. There are politicians in northern Ireland who have grappled

:40:24. > :40:26.with difficult problems and sat down through dialogue and come to an

:40:27. > :40:32.agreement and sensible outcomes. I am very pleased at the end of the

:40:33. > :40:38.day this house was able to take forward the welfare and reforms and

:40:39. > :40:45.the Northern Ireland Assembly has been able to agree that the

:40:46. > :40:48.mitigations in some of the enhancements to the welfare system

:40:49. > :40:55.will be able to proceed as well. That is very important of course.

:40:56. > :41:02.What we have is a welfare system which is not something that we in

:41:03. > :41:05.this bench would have in -- to find but recognises the strength of the

:41:06. > :41:15.parameters in which we have to operate financially. So Mr Deputy

:41:16. > :41:24.Speaker, I am pleased that all the major targets under the storm and

:41:25. > :41:30.Andy Fresh Start Agreement are being met and deadlines are being kept.

:41:31. > :41:33.Unlike the micro one of 2014, I believe there is every reason to

:41:34. > :41:40.expect that every aspect will be implemented in full. On the welfare

:41:41. > :41:46.reform agreement I think it is important that the recommendations

:41:47. > :41:51.that came in under budget and will be if a man by the assembly. This

:41:52. > :41:57.will allow more money to be spent in other areas. The executive may pass

:41:58. > :42:01.the budget for next year ahead of time and has been dealt with by the

:42:02. > :42:07.assembly as it should. Because of the paramilitary violence issue, the

:42:08. > :42:14.panel on paramilitary issues has been set up man has begun its work.

:42:15. > :42:18.They are trying to tackle paramilitary and is him and crime

:42:19. > :42:22.that happened before Christmas. The executive has also been very seized

:42:23. > :42:28.of the importance of progressing because at the end of the day we

:42:29. > :42:32.have made very clear that when crisis occur we are not prepared to

:42:33. > :42:36.sweep these matters under the carpet. They must be faced by

:42:37. > :42:43.everyone. We want to seek Northern Ireland move forward. There must be

:42:44. > :42:46.a commitment not only in words about democracy but practice as well. We

:42:47. > :42:51.in these benches and back in the assembly have been elected as

:42:52. > :42:56.representatives of the people and will not allow these matters to be

:42:57. > :43:02.in north. We will not allow these matters to be used as a political

:43:03. > :43:06.football for point scoring. We are serious about these issues and want

:43:07. > :43:10.them addressed and addressed properly. I am glad Mr Deputy

:43:11. > :43:15.Speaker that the executive has agreed for the production of

:43:16. > :43:21.corporation tax rates that commenced on April 20 18. The reduction to

:43:22. > :43:27.12.5% is an extremely important additional -- addition to the range

:43:28. > :43:31.of attractions that the invest Northern Ireland team will be able

:43:32. > :43:41.to go out to promote across the world to possible investors. I very

:43:42. > :43:45.much welcome our gratitude to the government for their support for

:43:46. > :43:52.this matter. There are many parties and people who get up in Corporation

:43:53. > :43:56.tax. Our party never gave up on it. Some people said that if it was not

:43:57. > :44:02.over and done with it would never have happened. We did not give up on

:44:03. > :44:08.it. I want to pay tribute to the former First Minister of Northern

:44:09. > :44:11.Ireland, Peter Roberts. He is very important and recognised the value

:44:12. > :44:16.of having this in place. I want to play tribute to him for the work

:44:17. > :44:21.that he did in making this fresh start agreement happen. His

:44:22. > :44:24.commitment to ensuring that there would be stability in terms of

:44:25. > :44:30.dilution cannot be underestimated, and he deserves a amount of credit

:44:31. > :44:33.for this agreement. The corporation tax was something he felt very

:44:34. > :44:42.strongly about an hour party has always believed in. I am glad that

:44:43. > :44:45.this is now proceeding. When the new Mr of goes to New York and

:44:46. > :44:49.Washington and the West Coast in March, along with the Deputy First

:44:50. > :44:55.Minister and others, the strength of her argument to invest in northern

:44:56. > :45:00.Ireland has been greatly increased as a result of this agreement. She

:45:01. > :45:03.can point to the coming of this tax reduction is another reason why

:45:04. > :45:09.there should be investment in Northern Ireland. The legislation in

:45:10. > :45:12.relation to reducing the number of MLA and re-organizing and reducing

:45:13. > :45:17.the number of government departments is also nearing completion. As we

:45:18. > :45:21.hear tomorrow there will be further debate on that. The assembly has

:45:22. > :45:24.passed a resolution to allow unofficial opposition to be created

:45:25. > :45:28.that this work has been taken forward by the assembly and the

:45:29. > :45:32.authorities. Nominations have been softened the parties and

:45:33. > :45:36.applications often the public. This is regarded to the flags commission.

:45:37. > :45:46.We expect that to be completed by the March. All in all the progress

:45:47. > :45:54.in relation to the Fresh Start Agreement has been very very

:45:55. > :46:02.positive. This has heralded a better atmosphere and the micro one things

:46:03. > :46:06.are getting done. Mr Deputy Speaker it is an interesting comment with

:46:07. > :46:13.the media that when there is a holdup the assembly and a massive

:46:14. > :46:19.issue of confrontational and political issues and visit 99, there

:46:20. > :46:22.is a massive tension and a mass of commentaries. We don't hear the same

:46:23. > :46:27.reporting and level of discussion in the media and on the radio and on

:46:28. > :46:36.television when things are actually getting done day by day. When

:46:37. > :46:41.legislation is being passed is as if nothing is happening at all. There

:46:42. > :46:46.is no reporting at all hard fiscal. I don't hear any of it. I think it

:46:47. > :46:49.isn't even interesting commentary on how sometimes good news and positive

:46:50. > :46:56.development and progress is underreported massively. Anything

:46:57. > :47:01.negative in Northern Ireland is given much attention. I think it is

:47:02. > :47:08.worth reminding that other members have already said that we do have to

:47:09. > :47:12.sometimes pulled the record at the distance of where Northern Ireland

:47:13. > :47:17.has come from. The progress that has been made from the backward steps

:47:18. > :47:23.and the ups and downs, we have made enormous progress. The political

:47:24. > :47:27.institutions which came back after this the boundary agreement has

:47:28. > :47:38.provided an much more stable environment. I believe it that needs

:47:39. > :47:41.to be celebrated. The store that will appear in tomorrow's newspaper

:47:42. > :47:55.will be a photograph of a number of members in this chamber. Such a

:47:56. > :47:59.class story weekend week out. There is just interest when Northern

:48:00. > :48:05.Ireland is being discussed compared to when issues of the European Union

:48:06. > :48:09.are being discussed. Mr Deputy Speaker in relation to these issues

:48:10. > :48:22.I will say quality not quantity is what matters. If the press and the

:48:23. > :48:27.media. Hear, hear!. LAUGHTER. Every single member that is here is of the

:48:28. > :48:31.highest quality I have to stay. I certainly welcome those who are here

:48:32. > :48:35.for this debate, particularly members from constituencies outside

:48:36. > :48:40.of Northern Ireland and those we serve on the select committee and to

:48:41. > :48:43.have taken an interest in Northern Ireland matters. Their support and

:48:44. > :48:51.interest in northern Ireland is greatly wrecked -- welcome and we

:48:52. > :48:57.value that indeed. I have already commented on some of the issues of

:48:58. > :49:06.press and media reporting. Mr Deputy Speaker there are. We can go into

:49:07. > :49:11.detail on independent reporting commission and other matters. As the

:49:12. > :49:17.second debate, but there will be more opportunities on the floor of

:49:18. > :49:23.the House. I welcome the cooperation that there has been between the

:49:24. > :49:29.government and the opposition from the bench at how this bill should

:49:30. > :49:33.proceed. Parliamentary scrutiny should happen and as I say we

:49:34. > :49:39.understand the reasons why this needs to be fast tracked. This is

:49:40. > :49:43.not a crisis but a sense of wanting to make sure progress continues to

:49:44. > :49:48.be made and is in place before the assembly election. We wish this bill

:49:49. > :49:52.well. In fact those that have been as possible for the agreement and

:49:53. > :49:58.bring it forward and those that have worked so hard to bring the second

:49:59. > :50:05.reading of the bill to fruition. Thank you Mr Deputy Speaker. I want

:50:06. > :50:10.to speak briefly on the bill and what I perceive to be a number of

:50:11. > :50:21.flaws. I think we need to address is at the next age. Parliament --

:50:22. > :50:23.paramilitary activity continues to be a problem for our society in

:50:24. > :50:30.Northern Ireland not just for our own constituency but there were some

:50:31. > :50:37.gunned down in the last 12 months. Such events but may not be as common

:50:38. > :50:44.as they once were. But they still exist and they still happen in our

:50:45. > :50:49.streets. These to issues are a stark reminder that paramilitary activity

:50:50. > :50:54.still exists. Merely to days after the good Friday agreement was

:50:55. > :50:58.signed. The talks that led to this bill and throughout we were very

:50:59. > :51:05.clear that a whole community approach is imperative. To rule out

:51:06. > :51:12.paramilitary activity for once and for all. Parties that seem to

:51:13. > :51:18.indulge in any type of parliamentary activity. Under any circumstances at

:51:19. > :51:22.any time should not be limited to certain groups were certain

:51:23. > :51:29.individuals or activity for certain constituencies. There should be no

:51:30. > :51:33.exclusions. It requires an unequivocal and universal

:51:34. > :51:46.condemnation and a united front by all Democratic Party. Any

:51:47. > :51:49.paramilitary behaviour or structure are an affront of democracy not just

:51:50. > :51:53.for Northern Ireland or anywhere else that may exist and should not

:51:54. > :52:01.be accepted. From our perspective the blight continued and obstructed

:52:02. > :52:10.and undermined in every opportunity for economic recovery and this is an

:52:11. > :52:13.economic imperative that we desperately need in Northern Ireland

:52:14. > :52:16.and the light of some of the needs of the last couple of weeks. The

:52:17. > :52:21.pledge proposed by the bill to be undertaken by ministers of MLA is in

:52:22. > :52:28.the right direction. The content of that pledge I would argue requires

:52:29. > :52:34.further scrutiny to protect in transition that move away from

:52:35. > :52:37.paramilitary activity. We in the STL T fully realise that ridding our

:52:38. > :52:45.society of paramilitary activity will by no means be an overnight

:52:46. > :52:52.process. The support transition has been allowed and cannot be allowed

:52:53. > :52:56.any further and to become quiet tolerance or seen as the degree of

:52:57. > :53:03.tolerance to paramilitary activity. Mr Speaker I can move along, the big

:53:04. > :53:08.absence of this bill is of course a reference to the legacies of the

:53:09. > :53:13.past and particularly issues pertaining to legacy. We have made

:53:14. > :53:20.our views clear on this. The victims and survivors and their needs must

:53:21. > :53:28.be paramount. Claims about national security preventing disclosure can

:53:29. > :53:33.not and must not... There is no degree to block every effort to

:53:34. > :53:39.block the truth or transparency. Northern Ireland society can not

:53:40. > :53:43.just move on and forget about the past. They cannot abandon the heart

:53:44. > :53:48.and needs of the victims and survivors. The wounds of the past

:53:49. > :53:53.must be healed and the victims and survivors across our society I

:53:54. > :54:01.believe have waited for to long. For many of them this bill or another

:54:02. > :54:06.bill if it's coming we would like to see it sooner rather than later, is

:54:07. > :54:10.the last chance and last real chance for any sort of meaningful truth and

:54:11. > :54:17.genuine justice. It is perfectly understandable that so many of these

:54:18. > :54:21.people still enormously let down. They feel let down by the shortfalls

:54:22. > :54:30.not just here but of other bills in the past. Dealing with the past and

:54:31. > :54:38.the legacy of the past, has been far to much of a piece exercise. We will

:54:39. > :54:43.work to amend this bill at the backstage and then the other bill

:54:44. > :54:47.that may emerge. We will amend it in the context of the needs of the

:54:48. > :54:50.victims and survivors and the needs of communities that have been

:54:51. > :54:58.blanketed and tortured by paramilitary activity. Mr Deputy

:54:59. > :55:02.Speaker there are other bits of this bill that we would welcome some

:55:03. > :55:05.reference in it to some of the issues that have been left out. We

:55:06. > :55:13.would like to see much greater progress on dealing with flag

:55:14. > :55:17.parading. These are proponents of disturbance and they are also an

:55:18. > :55:24.addition to dealing with the legacy of the past. The Secretary of State

:55:25. > :55:29.raise the issue referring to the economy. We don't talk during the

:55:30. > :55:33.talks of storm a house about the need for an overall comprehensive

:55:34. > :55:39.economic recovery strategy and prosperity strategy but somewhere it

:55:40. > :55:46.has been forgotten about. Yes corporation tax has been mentioned.

:55:47. > :55:50.We talked of corporation tax 20 years ago and have fully supported

:55:51. > :55:53.over 20 years between. But there is an issue of corporation tax.

:55:54. > :56:01.Corporation tax will not do everything. There is a desperate

:56:02. > :56:03.need for third level education, training, apprenticeships, and

:56:04. > :56:11.skills development to go along with it. This will develop a better

:56:12. > :56:14.economy. Secretary of State I would be keen if there have been some

:56:15. > :56:21.mention or reference to the economy and the prosperity process included

:56:22. > :56:27.here. I know there are issues that you want to do with urgently. But

:56:28. > :56:39.there are needs regarding the economic situation. The economic

:56:40. > :56:43.needs are dire. I just want to say that like Northern Ireland the UK

:56:44. > :56:48.Government is committed to increasing first rarity in Northern

:56:49. > :56:52.Ireland. What we do together is the economic tag and this is the main

:56:53. > :56:55.vehicle. Just because it was nice person referred to in the Fresh

:56:56. > :57:00.Start Agreement, does not mean we won't bring that about. Thank you

:57:01. > :57:05.Secretary of State for that reassurance. I would look forward to

:57:06. > :57:10.further stages of this bill and the opportunity to flesh it out and

:57:11. > :57:14.amended in the places where appropriate, to ensure that the fill

:57:15. > :57:21.is as comprehensive as possible and does all that it is expected

:57:22. > :57:27.May I start with getting hours of the to the owner memo -- honourable

:57:28. > :57:33.member for losing has a sensitive and huge thanks to him and many

:57:34. > :57:39.members before who have helped, whether it is through the committee

:57:40. > :57:43.or other ways, there are a mass of people always trying to help us get

:57:44. > :57:45.somewhere. I welcome the legislation today although I have doubts and

:57:46. > :57:51.still have doubts in various areas as we go through. We did feel at the

:57:52. > :57:55.time that it was a sticking class rather than a chance to have a

:57:56. > :58:00.rebirth of Stormont, although I welcome the changes that are going

:58:01. > :58:05.on. But we'll wait to see whether they are really get there and I am

:58:06. > :58:11.speaking touch on the changes and things we would like to see in this

:58:12. > :58:15.bill or concerns that I would like to raise when it comes to the

:58:16. > :58:22.appointing of the Independent reporting commission by the DSM. We

:58:23. > :58:25.think that should be expanded, too much of what happens in Northern

:58:26. > :58:30.Ireland is done by the two main parties, we think we should be

:58:31. > :58:32.finding a different way, whether through the Northern Ireland

:58:33. > :58:39.appointments commission, it to be something that moves away from just

:58:40. > :58:44.two main parties. I welcome in it that they guidance will be left in

:58:45. > :58:49.place the Secretary of State, I that is necessary to have some body

:58:50. > :58:54.outside of ourselves that would help move us along. Although I realise it

:58:55. > :58:58.is a poison chalice and in time what made need the wisdom of a Solomon.

:58:59. > :59:02.But we do need guidance at time. I know it falls on our shoulders most

:59:03. > :59:06.of the time, but it's something I have always been pushing since I got

:59:07. > :59:12.here, we must not have a devolved and forget. We must have Westminster

:59:13. > :59:15.working with Stormont and working together, not leaving things to

:59:16. > :59:21.Stormont when they get stuck but actually working through with it.

:59:22. > :59:25.One of the key points and I am hoping to see it in the bill, is the

:59:26. > :59:30.change from seven to 14 days to try and get a programme for Government

:59:31. > :59:35.in place. I think for that, we must remember it that the honourable

:59:36. > :59:39.member said when he was leader of the party, who actually put that

:59:40. > :59:45.idea forward to try and get a longer time to try and get the different

:59:46. > :59:49.ministers all chosen but in line with the overall programme for

:59:50. > :59:56.government and I hope that 14 days will actually get that. And if there

:59:57. > :59:59.is any doubt it would be with the Secretary of State looking to get in

:00:00. > :00:02.place something that can make that happen. It is not just ministers but

:00:03. > :00:09.a joint programme for government well into the future. I very much

:00:10. > :00:14.welcome everything to do with trying to remove Holloman and Tip --

:00:15. > :00:22.paramilitaries for Northern Ireland and they were very much a kind

:00:23. > :00:25.raising this to the top the House. But I would like the secretary of

:00:26. > :00:29.state and minister to make clear exactly what is meant by

:00:30. > :00:33.paramilitary because as this moves on and forward in legislation, I am

:00:34. > :00:37.sure that is where we are going to find mandate of our difficulties. Is

:00:38. > :00:42.someone knocking on a door when it comes to bonfires asking for funding

:00:43. > :00:46.to help pay for the bonfire, all they going to be told that they are

:00:47. > :00:51.paramilitaries? There are a whole lot of weight areas that need to be

:00:52. > :00:57.clarified. -- grey areas. Dusan putting of the union flag him to be

:00:58. > :01:01.a paramilitary because over numerous years before us, the union flag

:01:02. > :01:05.which should be a flag of all of us were not offensive to anyone has

:01:06. > :01:08.been turned for some members of the community into a sectarian flag

:01:09. > :01:12.which it should not be. Therefore is someone who is putting up that flag

:01:13. > :01:15.going to be treated as a paramilitary? We need clarity in the

:01:16. > :01:22.future and we need to talk our way through. In one story that happened

:01:23. > :01:26.in my area, boys were going to take the standards into the local church

:01:27. > :01:32.and they were refused from taking the union flag into the church due

:01:33. > :01:40.to one party blocking it and saying it was sectarian. We need to stop

:01:41. > :01:44.that from happening. Other clarity points, I am very lucky when I

:01:45. > :01:47.started off the council to go to France with a group of what would

:01:48. > :01:53.have been known as the bonfire groups. We had in those days,

:01:54. > :01:57.120,000 to clear up after the bonfires and we had 11 different

:01:58. > :02:01.groups, who all did not talk to each other, all could be called community

:02:02. > :02:05.stronger titles than that but by stronger titles than that but by

:02:06. > :02:10.going away from that, it allowed us to get them talking to each other,

:02:11. > :02:16.find forward and commonalities existing and in time produce --

:02:17. > :02:20.reduce the number of bonfires, not all of them, and the next time it

:02:21. > :02:25.only cost 40,000 to clear up. We have to be absolutely clear, our MLA

:02:26. > :02:28.is and others who are talking about this, we will see if they are being

:02:29. > :02:38.deemed as paramilitaries to be dealing with paramilitaries when we

:02:39. > :02:44.may need clarity on that. I touched on -- a member from North Downs and

:02:45. > :02:51.touched on this. We need teeth and something that will allow us to

:02:52. > :02:54.enforce whether MLA, ministers or others are actually abiding with

:02:55. > :02:57.some way to enforce that in the some way to enforce that in the

:02:58. > :03:03.future. It is something we ought do together. I agree with what has been

:03:04. > :03:09.raised before and and had been discussed whether we should try to

:03:10. > :03:13.get IDSA into this bill because it is essential that we get something

:03:14. > :03:17.much better into Northern Ireland because if you talk to some able in

:03:18. > :03:21.Northern Ireland they find that expenses were not controlled and do

:03:22. > :03:25.not think that anyone except responsibilities when they have done

:03:26. > :03:30.anything wrong. There is so much that gives that with corruption and

:03:31. > :03:33.things not being right, we have to have some form of teeth and this

:03:34. > :03:38.seems to do it extremely well. So let's try to get it in. When it

:03:39. > :03:42.comes to the opposition, it is great to hear that there is movement from

:03:43. > :03:47.the opposition in the Northern Ireland but I feel we may need to

:03:48. > :03:52.look at how one or two things in this bill that allows us to improve

:03:53. > :03:55.on the opposition and improve on whether it is the finance, how

:03:56. > :04:01.committees amend, so that we can get something that really is proper and

:04:02. > :04:05.we have to be very careful on how we deal with that and we all need to

:04:06. > :04:10.work together. When it comes to the Legacy issues, I long to see that

:04:11. > :04:14.happening. I know we had differences of the time, at least it needs to be

:04:15. > :04:19.done quickly, but not so fast that we do not get the chance to talk and

:04:20. > :04:22.have our say. But it is vital that Northern Ireland finds a way forward

:04:23. > :04:27.that moves us away from all of the legacy issues to something that is

:04:28. > :04:35.really going to thrive and we can build on it together. We had many

:04:36. > :04:40.mention of corporation taxes as we mentioned before, corporation tax is

:04:41. > :04:47.not the silver bullet. We have a mass of other things to do together,

:04:48. > :04:51.we want Corporation taxes. It is a difference on how corporation tax

:04:52. > :04:53.was actually going to work, some of them here really slowed it up but

:04:54. > :04:59.let us get something else in place, better infrastructure, changes, I

:05:00. > :05:09.whole muscle changes coming. I look forward on that build being a start

:05:10. > :05:14.to Northern Ireland improving. Could I first of all page should be up to

:05:15. > :05:20.the Secretary of State and to the Minister for the work done to bring

:05:21. > :05:24.forward this bill, having been involved in much of the negotiations

:05:25. > :05:32.in the past, I would say in all honesty, I think at times we should

:05:33. > :05:35.give merit where it is due. The Secretary of State has gone way over

:05:36. > :05:39.my estimation in terms of the very clear stance she has taken on

:05:40. > :05:44.issues, both in the public domain and privately around the negotiating

:05:45. > :05:47.table. She has done so with great clarity and I think that is

:05:48. > :05:51.something to be welcomed from a Secretary of State. I am very

:05:52. > :06:01.eagerly supported by the Minister as well. But I also pay tribute to Mark

:06:02. > :06:06.who worked for my honourable friend, I had the pleasure of meeting marked

:06:07. > :06:11.on a number of occasions including when he took an interest in Northern

:06:12. > :06:16.Ireland and I know that Lawrence and his team will feel his loss very

:06:17. > :06:22.deeply and we extend on our side of the House our sympathy to the

:06:23. > :06:29.honourable member for two Experian and to Mark Boss family. Tackling

:06:30. > :06:35.paramilitary -ism is an important element of this agreement. It is

:06:36. > :06:40.something that is long overdue. We as a party have pressed time and

:06:41. > :06:46.time again for the paramilitaries to leave the stage and at times I have

:06:47. > :06:51.listened to their spokespersons in the media bag about their

:06:52. > :06:57.contribution to the police process but deliver little by way of

:06:58. > :07:04.actually taking the steps that are necessary. They have been far too

:07:05. > :07:09.long begrudging about the necessary steps of organizations needing to be

:07:10. > :07:14.taken and they have continued to straddle the fence between democracy

:07:15. > :07:22.and the rule of law on one side and continued involvement in criminality

:07:23. > :07:26.and sadly, at times, in murder. One of the reasons we had the crisis

:07:27. > :07:32.last year in Northern Ireland, the political crisis was precisely

:07:33. > :07:41.because of that continued vomit in criminal activity and in carrying

:07:42. > :07:45.out murders as the honourable member reminded us. Those murders took

:07:46. > :07:51.place in his constituency. We need to be absolutely clear that there is

:07:52. > :07:56.no room for ambiguity, no room for grey areas, straddling the fence

:07:57. > :08:03.involvement in criminality and involvement in criminality and

:08:04. > :08:07.paramilitary -ism. We deserve better in Northern Ireland and that is why

:08:08. > :08:10.it is vital that we continue to pursue this agenda which the

:08:11. > :08:26.Stormont agreement marks a very significant step in taking it

:08:27. > :08:38.forward. I know the honourable gentleman is condemning paramilitary

:08:39. > :08:42.-ism whatever shape or form,. I would like the right honourable

:08:43. > :08:47.gentleman to put on record his thanks and many things that people

:08:48. > :08:54.that we have just completed yet another search for the remains of

:08:55. > :08:58.Lisa who disappeared 11 years ago, murdered by those with paramilitary

:08:59. > :09:04.connections. The family have never had her returned for a Christian

:09:05. > :09:10.burial and her mother died brokenhearted and I am grateful to I

:09:11. > :09:18.honourable Desmond for his stance on paramilitary. I think the honourable

:09:19. > :09:27.member for her intervention and she of course speaks of the individual

:09:28. > :09:32.and personal family suffering of the victims of paramilitary violence and

:09:33. > :09:37.let me be clear, as a party we are clear, that when we refer to

:09:38. > :09:43.paramilitarism being paramilitarism across the political divide, I have

:09:44. > :09:44.the pleasure of taking the Secretary of State and also the saddle

:09:45. > :09:50.Secretary of State to Lisbon to Secretary of State to Lisbon to

:09:51. > :09:54.visit a community project in my constituency where we have worked

:09:55. > :09:58.very hard with those who were previously involved in paramilitary

:09:59. > :10:05.activity to enable them to complete the transition to what is now purely

:10:06. > :10:12.community development work and those communities are being transformed as

:10:13. > :10:16.a result. In my constituency, a community transformed as a result of

:10:17. > :10:20.the transition of those previously involved in paramilitarism to be

:10:21. > :10:26.involved in purely community development and I commend the

:10:27. > :10:29.leadership in Lisbon for what they have done in transforming the

:10:30. > :10:33.community and making the transition that I assure the honourable Lady

:10:34. > :10:38.that is precisely the kind of effort that we need to see taking place in

:10:39. > :10:44.Northern Ireland. It is one of the tragedies of any conflict and our

:10:45. > :10:47.troubles in Northern Ireland that we have families who not only have

:10:48. > :10:52.suffered the loss of a loved one, but have not been able to mourn

:10:53. > :10:58.properly because of their loved ones remains not being returned to them.

:10:59. > :11:04.The family of Lisa is a case and point. And we hope and pray that one

:11:05. > :11:11.day they will at least have the grace of being able to bury the

:11:12. > :11:13.remains of their daughter. I would appeal to people who know where the

:11:14. > :11:19.remains are to get that information to the police and I appeal to them

:11:20. > :11:23.on the grounds of the basic Christian pretzels that even those

:11:24. > :11:28.who have been involved in such wrongdoing should see that it is the

:11:29. > :11:32.right thing and a family should be able to have some degree of closure

:11:33. > :11:39.in terms of at least having their loved one's remains returned. The

:11:40. > :11:42.bill makes provision for the establishment of the Independent

:11:43. > :11:47.reporting commission and we welcome this. The commission is to report

:11:48. > :11:54.annually on progress toward ending continued paramilitary activity and

:11:55. > :11:58.we hope they will shine a spotlight very clearly on the Republican and

:11:59. > :12:03.Loyalist paramilitary groups who are continuing to engage in criminal

:12:04. > :12:08.acts and in acts of violence. It is not only the case that that will

:12:09. > :12:12.apply to Northern Ireland, I think one of the important provisions of

:12:13. > :12:15.this is that it will also apply in Great Britain and in the Republic of

:12:16. > :12:22.Ireland and in recent times we have seen the effects of paramilitary

:12:23. > :12:25.gangster type activity in Dublin, which is unacceptable, and we must

:12:26. > :12:30.all co-operate to ensure that such activity is brought to an end. I

:12:31. > :12:36.hope the good people of the Republic of Ireland to go to the polls in a

:12:37. > :12:39.short time will think long and hard about who they are electing to their

:12:40. > :12:44.national parliament and where they stand on questions like these

:12:45. > :12:49.special criminal Court and the need to bring to an end paramilitarism

:12:50. > :12:58.and gangster activity and criminality wherever it develops and

:12:59. > :13:01.emerges. We also welcome the changes to the pledge of office for

:13:02. > :13:08.ministers for the Northern Ireland Executive. I am crucially a new

:13:09. > :13:17.undertaking which is to be given by all members elected to the assembly

:13:18. > :13:20.after me which will commit them to nonviolence, to supporting the rule

:13:21. > :13:23.of law. We think this is very important and there has not been

:13:24. > :13:27.such an undertaking required in the past, even though it is required for

:13:28. > :13:31.counsellors and noble government and I think the honourable member is

:13:32. > :13:36.absolutely right, we need to be sure that it is not just a question of

:13:37. > :13:39.undertaking but that there are sanctions in place that if members

:13:40. > :13:43.preach that undertaking that they preach that undertaking that they

:13:44. > :13:48.can be held to account. I assure the honourable lady that we will be

:13:49. > :13:50.examining the current standing orders of the Northern Ireland

:13:51. > :13:54.Assembly to see if such a sanction exists and if it does not, we will

:13:55. > :13:59.be prepared to bring forward a supporting amendment to this bill to

:14:00. > :14:08.ensure there is provision for such a sanction. The honourable member has

:14:09. > :14:14.made reference to what has gone on in this bill. It is a matter that we

:14:15. > :14:18.are not yet able to legislate for the provisions of the Stormont House

:14:19. > :14:24.agreement, dealing with legacy matters. Let me be clear. From this

:14:25. > :14:28.side of the House and this party, we support full implementation of the

:14:29. > :14:32.Stormont House agreement. There is nothing that the Democratic Union

:14:33. > :14:37.nest party is doing -- Unionist party. We are all aware that the

:14:38. > :14:43.reason we have not had implementation is because of a stand

:14:44. > :14:47.off, and impasse, which involves the question of national security. And

:14:48. > :14:53.member. When he talks about victims, member. When he talks about victims,

:14:54. > :14:58.I am not just interested in the victims of the past but also Hecking

:14:59. > :15:04.sure we do not have more victims in the future. -- making sure. We take

:15:05. > :15:09.action that compromises the security of our people, when we take actions

:15:10. > :15:13.which bring into the public domain in the manner in which the security

:15:14. > :15:21.forces operate to counterterrorism, then we take risks in Northern

:15:22. > :15:27.Ireland. We create the potential for future victims because sadly not

:15:28. > :15:31.everybody has signed up for the peace process. Not all paramilitary

:15:32. > :15:36.activities are on cease-fire. There are people out there today targeting

:15:37. > :15:39.in my own constituency in the past weeks I have two instances of prison

:15:40. > :15:47.officers having to leave their homes because of the threat from dissonant

:15:48. > :15:52.Republican organizations. The fact that there was knowledge and

:15:53. > :15:58.intelligence that thankfully has prevented those attacks from going

:15:59. > :16:03.ahead tells us that our security services are continuing to operate

:16:04. > :16:08.to prevent loss of life and further victims from being created. I would

:16:09. > :16:16.say to the honourable member from South Belfast that yes, we want the

:16:17. > :16:19.maximum disclosure that is available, but we also need to

:16:20. > :16:25.ensure that the security of the people we represent is protected.

:16:26. > :16:31.Yes, we want the victims of terrorism to have processes that are

:16:32. > :16:36.in place that enable them to have some degree of closure and enable

:16:37. > :16:41.them to have access to justice. To have access to information. But at

:16:42. > :16:47.the same time we must not compromise the ability and security forces to

:16:48. > :16:51.protect the community in Northern Ireland today and to prevent further

:16:52. > :16:55.victims in the future. On the national security issue, we really

:16:56. > :17:00.should not be giving, no Democratic Party should be giving power to

:17:01. > :17:03.those on this issue because we know what the game is. We know it is

:17:04. > :17:09.about rewriting the history of the troubles and it is about pretending

:17:10. > :17:14.against the reality that of all the deaths that have occurred in the

:17:15. > :17:19.troubles, 90% of those killings were carried out by paramilitary

:17:20. > :17:23.organizations. 90%. Yet if you follow the media coverage, reading

:17:24. > :17:27.the newspaper and look at the amount of money spent on investigations and

:17:28. > :17:34.inquests, far more proportionately far more of that resource and media

:17:35. > :17:40.coverage goat on the 10% of deaths that are attributed to the state.

:17:41. > :17:44.Many of them are debts that were a result of the security forces

:17:45. > :17:51.killing people who were engaging in acts of terrorism, but far more

:17:52. > :17:56.emphasis and resource goes on those debts than on the 90% of people.

:17:57. > :18:04.Murdered by it paramilitary organizations. I agree with him

:18:05. > :18:10.about letting the issues of the 90% versus the 10%, but even beyond

:18:11. > :18:14.that, it appears to be the case that in some instances where the

:18:15. > :18:20.provisional IRA atrocities, even those in the main set are trying to

:18:21. > :18:27.be blamed upon the security forces, the police, and the Army. So the

:18:28. > :18:31.abysmal audacity of some people has no bounds whatsoever beyond what the

:18:32. > :18:36.member has declared so far. I think the honourable member for that

:18:37. > :18:48.intervention. He is absolutely right. We see constantly this mantra

:18:49. > :18:54.that is it is not just a question of 90% versus 10% of killings, the

:18:55. > :18:58.state was somehow responsible for directing many of the paramilitary

:18:59. > :19:00.related deaths, no one with any rational thought in their head is

:19:01. > :19:10.going to fall for that absolute nonsense. Of the republican

:19:11. > :19:18.movement. When we consider that there is now an investigation from

:19:19. > :19:27.outside of Northern Ireland into the actions of an agent known as

:19:28. > :19:31.Steakknife, the emphasis is all on the killings that he allegedly may

:19:32. > :19:36.have been involved in but the question for me is, who was

:19:37. > :19:43.directing Steakknife? Who was giving the orders to him to carry out the

:19:44. > :19:47.investigations, these internal investigations of alleged Republican

:19:48. > :19:54.informers. Who was giving the orders? It was the IRA Army Council,

:19:55. > :19:58.some of who we know at the time are now very senior political figures in

:19:59. > :20:01.Northern Ireland. The very same people who point the finger at the

:20:02. > :20:06.Secretary of State and the government, but as I have said

:20:07. > :20:09.recently in a radio interview, there are far more fingers pointing back

:20:10. > :20:17.in their direction when it comes to these issues. I will give way. The

:20:18. > :20:20.audacity of the IRA in this matter I think needs to be highlighted. It is

:20:21. > :20:26.not just something that affects Northern Ireland. We also have the

:20:27. > :20:33.case now affecting murders on the mainland. The Birmingham case, there

:20:34. > :20:36.is an attitude and attempt to blame the security services in England for

:20:37. > :20:43.the Birmingham bombing, that is absolutely atrocious and I think we

:20:44. > :20:50.honourable member for Northampton is honourable member for Northampton is

:20:51. > :20:55.absolutely right. Let me be clear, we apply the same, whether it is

:20:56. > :21:03.Republican related murders or other related murders. We applied the

:21:04. > :21:08.same. The idea that the you BF would be exonerated from the north Ireland

:21:09. > :21:16.killings because of allegations of collusion is just as perverse and

:21:17. > :21:19.absurd as the idea that the IRA would somehow be exonerated from the

:21:20. > :21:25.massacres and murders that they committed in the past. The same

:21:26. > :21:28.applies on both sides. In conclusion, we want to see progress

:21:29. > :21:32.in dealing with the Legacy issues. We want to see the historical

:21:33. > :21:37.investigations unit established with full police to investigate the

:21:38. > :21:40.unsolved murders. As I talk to the innocent victims and they look on

:21:41. > :21:45.what has happened and they feel they are not being given a fair crack,

:21:46. > :21:51.they are not given the opportunity and we must try to move this on. In

:21:52. > :21:56.the interim, I did say before with the Secretary of State, we hope that

:21:57. > :22:00.when the first Minister supported the call for resources that have

:22:01. > :22:06.Artie been sort of micro set aside Artie been sort of micro set aside

:22:07. > :22:11.-- already have been set aside for the him legacy investigation unit

:22:12. > :22:15.though that that money is not coming from Northern Ireland, there is a

:22:16. > :22:21.need for the investigation to continue dealing with current crime

:22:22. > :22:27.and current terrorist threats and therefore we do not want to see the

:22:28. > :22:32.police budget led by continued drawing down of resource toward the

:22:33. > :22:36.legacy cases. They need to be investigated, absolutely, we hope

:22:37. > :22:41.the Secretary of State will listen to what people have said, with the

:22:42. > :22:45.first Minister has said, and allow some of that resource to be freed up

:22:46. > :22:48.to be transferred to the investigators to enable them to do

:22:49. > :22:55.more to help the innocent victims of terrorism. I welcome progress on

:22:56. > :23:05.this bill and piece of legislation this bill and piece of legislation

:23:06. > :23:10.aspects. They have been born for aspects. They have been born for

:23:11. > :23:16.some time. Firstly the continuing action of terrorist activities

:23:17. > :23:20.within Northern Ireland. Beyond Northern Ireland as well. But also

:23:21. > :23:28.as my honourable friend from Southampton has alluded to, there is

:23:29. > :23:33.more time after elections to lead discussions and go one, we hope

:23:34. > :23:37.those two weeks will give more time and I think it would be beneficial

:23:38. > :23:42.for Northern Ireland in the next assembly and beyond that. I look on

:23:43. > :23:51.those as very positive aspects and something to be... The issue of

:23:52. > :23:57.extension of time for negotiations was brought forward by ourselves as

:23:58. > :24:03.far as 2011, five years ago. I am almost tempted to go into some

:24:04. > :24:09.aspects that are not in the bill, but I think I will stay away from

:24:10. > :24:14.that today because you have enough with the bill. Except to say that

:24:15. > :24:17.the legacy issues would not have been dealt with at some stage, --

:24:18. > :24:23.will be dealt with at some stage, but I will say to you and to the

:24:24. > :24:28.Secretary of State that we need quality and fairness within any

:24:29. > :24:30.inquiries and investigations and that is something that has not been

:24:31. > :24:37.seen at the moment. One aspect is seen at the moment. One aspect is

:24:38. > :24:50.that an example, the legacy unit, I understand they have... That is

:24:51. > :24:54.fine. The problem is there is not one officer currently investigating

:24:55. > :25:03.that. There is a huge difference and in balance with the net. -- that.

:25:04. > :25:11.The first aspect of the bill at the moment, that is the issue around

:25:12. > :25:15.commission to look at terrorist activities or paramilitary

:25:16. > :25:18.activities. We must look at the history of some of the immediate

:25:19. > :25:27.history since the agreements have been signed, the Belfast agreement,

:25:28. > :25:31.and the you BF and other terrorist organizations that we mentioned,

:25:32. > :25:40.they have been responsible for some brutal murders. We have just heard a

:25:41. > :25:44.member mentioned, that is a terrible affliction on her family as well. To

:25:45. > :25:50.have to go through that day in and day out. I cannot imagine what that

:25:51. > :25:53.is like. But on the opposite side of Republican movements, and

:25:54. > :25:58.particularly in the IRA who have been responsible for some brutal

:25:59. > :26:03.murders. Let's not forget it has been mentioned in the past that the

:26:04. > :26:09.IRA are extractable is linked with other organizations. You just think

:26:10. > :26:20.of some the murders that have taken place. Denis Donaldson, and more

:26:21. > :26:27.recently Kevin McGuian. One thing that jump-started me is not only the

:26:28. > :26:33.brutality about it but the clinical way those murders were carried out.

:26:34. > :26:39.The planned execution. That could only be done by an organisation of

:26:40. > :26:44.the ability of the IRA. Let's not forget that indeed the chief

:26:45. > :26:51.constable said that the IRA still exists, but the Army Council still

:26:52. > :26:57.exists. That is something that we need to deal with. The issue that

:26:58. > :27:02.the IRA still exists, the Army Council still exists, and our extra

:27:03. > :27:09.googly linked to government. That is a major question that will hang over

:27:10. > :27:16.the executive and the Northern Ireland people for years to come. --

:27:17. > :27:22.inextricably. Indeed someone who may still be a member of the Army

:27:23. > :27:27.Council will have the privilege of being representatives to this

:27:28. > :27:34.commission. Happy to give way. With the member agrees may that he is

:27:35. > :27:39.outlining the case for the IRA being one and the same, would he agree

:27:40. > :27:45.with me that in all probability, in the two weeks after the assembly

:27:46. > :27:47.election, that will remain the case whenever decisions have to be made

:27:48. > :27:57.in the executive barometer? I don't disagree with the Honorable

:27:58. > :28:01.member indeed, this remained the case for some time now, it will

:28:02. > :28:05.continue to remain the case irrespective of what this commission

:28:06. > :28:09.comes up with. I think that will still remain the issue and will

:28:10. > :28:15.still remain a huge? Over some people pause possibility or right to

:28:16. > :28:21.remain a senior member of the executive. But a Deputy Speaker,

:28:22. > :28:26.moving into the second part of the bill which is a pledge of office for

:28:27. > :28:31.administers and undertaking for MLS, and delight that is welcome I

:28:32. > :28:35.suppose, I have major concerns around the effectiveness of it. The

:28:36. > :28:39.Honorable member for North Downs did indicate that she is concerned

:28:40. > :28:44.around a matter of sanctions and how those sanctions will be applied, if

:28:45. > :28:47.there is any at all. I agree with that and whether we can actually do

:28:48. > :28:52.something about that here, may be an issue for the next reading on the

:28:53. > :28:55.committee stages of this bill and the secretary of State will come

:28:56. > :29:01.back with any suggestions around that. But, if there is a bout around

:29:02. > :29:08.the pledge or undertaking, if make any difference at all, I have to say

:29:09. > :29:13.when some people want and murdered in the past, I am not so sure they

:29:14. > :29:16.were taking a pledge of office, ministerial office or taking an

:29:17. > :29:21.undertaking as assembly members who will make much difference to them, I

:29:22. > :29:24.think if they could do that in the past, I didn't think this is going

:29:25. > :29:29.to make a huge amount of difference. Moving on to the third aspect of the

:29:30. > :29:34.legislation which is the commitment on statements within the budget.

:29:35. > :29:39.Agree in the financial provisions and budget this was a major problem

:29:40. > :29:44.within the executive four months, that is why it is welcome that we

:29:45. > :29:48.are trying to progress that matter, in many departments they suffered

:29:49. > :29:56.greatly within that blockage or because of that blockage, health

:29:57. > :30:01.waiting lists rocketed, and infrastructure developments almost

:30:02. > :30:04.came to a standstill, and carrying for the elderly and those for local

:30:05. > :30:09.people were greatly diminished within our society, that is

:30:10. > :30:13.something I suppose that we all feel very sore about, particularly if you

:30:14. > :30:18.were carried within a society that she did not have that help and

:30:19. > :30:21.support because of that critical long-term within a society. Again I

:30:22. > :30:27.come back to the issue of sanctions, we have heard what the sanctions are

:30:28. > :30:31.for the pledge of office and the undertakings. What will be the

:30:32. > :30:35.sanction if the project or financial undertakings are not lived up to as

:30:36. > :30:39.well? That is not appear to be any sanction, it is almost as if this

:30:40. > :30:45.process for those that were delivered, the process and stop the

:30:46. > :30:49.benefit of getting a financial deal for everyone else. In conclusion,

:30:50. > :30:53.Madam Deputy Speaker I do welcome the progress but I will confirm if

:30:54. > :31:01.the proposals in the legislation will deliver on the aspects of

:31:02. > :31:08.terrorism, and commitment to the budgetary and financial resolutions.

:31:09. > :31:14.I will give way. Did he just say that the member should be congrats

:31:15. > :31:18.for the legal case where sanctions were imposed and someone who treated

:31:19. > :31:24.evil about him and the organisation, a very gallant organisation he was a

:31:25. > :31:26.member of, and I think that's the key is demonstrating whether there

:31:27. > :31:31.is a vehicle around and sometimes that is the best sanction. Frankly,

:31:32. > :31:37.the Honorable member I thank him for his comments, obviously it is still

:31:38. > :31:43.running on an rubbing on, yes we have got a sanction of some degree

:31:44. > :31:47.their, and hopefully the assemblies in this house here can provide

:31:48. > :31:50.sanctions. These proposals as well and within this legislation. I will

:31:51. > :31:56.await as many others here will await just to see the outcomes and see the

:31:57. > :32:00.workings of what is being proposed here. I have some concerns as you

:32:01. > :32:11.would appreciate around the workings of some on their particular

:32:12. > :32:14.sanctions,. Thank you letter that I am delighted to participate in the

:32:15. > :32:21.second reading of this bill tonight. And initially I want to offer my

:32:22. > :32:27.condolences to the Honorable member for his bereavement of his staff

:32:28. > :32:29.member and also to my Honorable friend the member in his family

:32:30. > :32:38.bereavement that happened last night. Madam Deputy Speaker, this

:32:39. > :32:46.bill in its generality deals with trying to eradicate paramilitarism.

:32:47. > :32:53.I want to emphasise again as it has already been done so by my Honorable

:32:54. > :33:00.friend, member for South Belfast, over consistent support for

:33:01. > :33:05.political and economic stability throughout Northern Ireland and

:33:06. > :33:10.throat the island of Ireland. What also and above all, our unequivocal

:33:11. > :33:15.opposition to all forms of paramilitarism. Whether it comes

:33:16. > :33:23.from Republicans paramilitaries or loyalist paramilitaries because

:33:24. > :33:29.paramilitarism and what it bad and what its bond created not only

:33:30. > :33:35.instability it created fear, and it also was like a cancer running

:33:36. > :33:45.throughout our society. And there were also other issues because of an

:33:46. > :33:48.age was already referred to by the Honorable Mayor Ashe member about

:33:49. > :33:52.the associated issues, and I can think of one in my own constituency

:33:53. > :34:00.that you referred to. The murder of the innocent men on the 18th of

:34:01. > :34:07.June, 1994. In night I will never forget, because two people that were

:34:08. > :34:10.murdered that night were directly related to my relatives, one an

:34:11. > :34:14.uncle in another a cousin. Therefore in that respect, I know the

:34:15. > :34:22.character of this people, and that they are only political act on any

:34:23. > :34:26.occasion was to register their vote. Never buy a word or a date did they

:34:27. > :34:36.undertake any form of paramilitary activity. But they died at the butt

:34:37. > :34:40.of a gun and it there've therefore I would say to the Secretary of State,

:34:41. > :34:53.that your comments on the 11th of February where in some ways unfair

:34:54. > :34:55.because at the moment it is undertaking and nearing the

:34:56. > :35:02.completion of another inquiry into what happened on that night into why

:35:03. > :35:08.it happened, where there are elements of collusion between the

:35:09. > :35:13.then and those who perpetrated those awful crimes on that night, that

:35:14. > :35:21.robbed the community that I represent, but above all that I need

:35:22. > :35:25.in and irrevocably changed our community. Not towards violence in

:35:26. > :35:32.any form, but left people in a state of fear, a community that had never

:35:33. > :35:37.known any form of violence before. So, that and I would urge the

:35:38. > :35:43.Secretary of State in that respect to be particularly careful because

:35:44. > :35:48.your words are the words of the Secretary of State on that day on

:35:49. > :35:54.the 11th of February could be seen, and could be construed as trying to

:35:55. > :35:59.office gave that inquiry by the police which is near completion.

:36:00. > :36:05.That is the second inquiry because the previous inquiry was

:36:06. > :36:13.inconclusive. In many ways it could be perceived as being deliberately

:36:14. > :36:25.inconclusive. I am happy to give way. I listen very carefully to the

:36:26. > :36:30.Honorable Lady's comments, and that future guard for her and I would

:36:31. > :36:41.just like her to put on record this evening her gratitude which stood

:36:42. > :36:45.between the community that is the whole community of Northern Ireland

:36:46. > :36:54.in absolute mayhem through more than 30 years and 302 are UC officers

:36:55. > :36:58.paid the ultimate price in terms of their lives, I am sure the Honorable

:36:59. > :37:04.Lady right to put on record her gratitude for the sacrifice and

:37:05. > :37:10.courage. Can I thank the Honorable Lady for her intervention, I am very

:37:11. > :37:15.conscious, and we were always opposed to the murder of security

:37:16. > :37:21.forces were that those security forces were in the are UC or whether

:37:22. > :37:26.they were in the EDR, because we saw what that did to them and what it

:37:27. > :37:33.did to their families, and again that type of murder, that type of

:37:34. > :37:37.paramilitarism against members of the security forces was totally

:37:38. > :37:41.unacceptable, was condemned by us at the time, and will always be

:37:42. > :37:45.condemned by us, we are very clear about that. But, if I could move on

:37:46. > :37:50.into other issues, there is a clear need in terms of economic stability

:37:51. > :37:53.and to ensure that economic stability is actually embedded into

:37:54. > :37:58.Northern Ireland. That was referred to by the Honorable friend the

:37:59. > :38:06.member forgetting he referred to issues to do with corporation tax,

:38:07. > :38:11.the loss of jobs, last week and the Honorable member for East Belfast

:38:12. > :38:15.constituency, and other job losses. The most important thing that we

:38:16. > :38:22.have to ensure, that existing economic stability in Northern

:38:23. > :38:25.Ireland is protected. And, I say again, what better way to ensure

:38:26. > :38:33.that is through continued membership of the European Union, because we

:38:34. > :38:39.have already export market in the south of Ireland and the UK has that

:38:40. > :38:43.to ready export market in the south of Ireland. And also been able to

:38:44. > :38:48.trade in terms of the wider common market. I could just ask the

:38:49. > :38:54.Secretary of State to reflect on her position in that respect. But, Madam

:38:55. > :39:00.Deputy Speaker if I could move on to elements within the bill. Clause one

:39:01. > :39:06.subsection four actually deals with the Independent reporting

:39:07. > :39:10.commissions. And Deputy First Ministers can nominate two persons,

:39:11. > :39:14.I would suggest they would need to be a legislative input for the

:39:15. > :39:19.Justice Department despite the character of that independent

:39:20. > :39:24.reporting commissions, and it could be argued that any Northern Ireland

:39:25. > :39:29.nominations should be made by the executive is a collective body are

:39:30. > :39:34.chosen for proposals being made by parties. The issues that fall to

:39:35. > :39:38.that independent reporting commissions concerns issues that

:39:39. > :39:46.brought the parties together in September of last year. Those are

:39:47. > :39:51.for directly to the murders of Jerry Davison in the first week of May

:39:52. > :39:58.last year, and also of Kevin Maguire again in August. Both people resided

:39:59. > :40:02.in the constituency of my Honorable friend, the Member for South Belfast

:40:03. > :40:06.constituency. During those negotiations, I am sure that the

:40:07. > :40:11.Secretary of State would recall this as well her colleague, the Minister

:40:12. > :40:15.of state that we in the SDLP circulated papers to the three

:40:16. > :40:20.governments and all parties on a hold enforcement approach and a

:40:21. > :40:25.whole community approach on how to address the issues of

:40:26. > :40:33.paramilitarism. Despite fresh start being designed and managed daily,

:40:34. > :40:38.there should have been all party work on that IRC membership. I would

:40:39. > :40:44.ask the question, how can the work of IRC and its mandate which

:40:45. > :40:53.includes doubling representatives, be reconciled with Sinn Fein's

:40:54. > :40:58.approach and I would like to proceed Secretary of State on precisely how

:40:59. > :41:03.much new monies are to be made available to the national crime

:41:04. > :41:08.agency and the PSN I. When those monies will be released and what

:41:09. > :41:16.will be the script of those monies between the national crime agency

:41:17. > :41:20.and the PSN I. Clause two, subsection three, subsection A deals

:41:21. > :41:27.with national security, MIT that is already being referred to by the

:41:28. > :41:31.Honorable member. So, paramilitarism and commonality is to be addressed,

:41:32. > :41:35.but unfortunately the British Government can invoke national

:41:36. > :41:42.security, and that allows for the protection of agents who do have

:41:43. > :41:48.information and that can impede the very work about the resolution of

:41:49. > :41:52.many cases. Clause six subsection one deals with institutional

:41:53. > :41:57.reforms, and yes 14 days is OK before the appointment of the

:41:58. > :42:01.ministers. But, fresh start for first to our proposal, the parties

:42:02. > :42:07.have to agree to go into executive before the programme for Government

:42:08. > :42:11.has finally agreed. I wonder how the government contemplated any

:42:12. > :42:18.amendment in this proposition? In relation to the project office, it

:42:19. > :42:21.states that one of our ministers, I could hear directly Madam Deputy

:42:22. > :42:25.Speaker from the legislation, support the rule of law

:42:26. > :42:34.unequivocally and to support all efforts to uphold it. How can this

:42:35. > :42:39.be reconciled with Sinn Fein's view on the national crime agency which

:42:40. > :42:47.is a vehicle for the role of law, yet Sinn Fein opposed the motion in

:42:48. > :42:52.the assembly in February 2015 to support in Word and date and refused

:42:53. > :42:57.to endorse it at a recent meeting of the policing Board. How does this

:42:58. > :43:03.new pledge address Sinn Fein's approach on Mr Murphy? Again, the

:43:04. > :43:09.same applies with the pledge of office for assembly members. So, but

:43:10. > :43:14.of Deputy Speaker, there are several issues there. But in the storm in

:43:15. > :43:21.how stocks, and in our submissions to those talks, we have made the

:43:22. > :43:25.point time and time again that the precious or a divided political

:43:26. > :43:31.messages on paramilitarism exacerbates the challenges facing

:43:32. > :43:36.people, trying to move community transitions and graduations away

:43:37. > :43:42.from ingrained paramilitary interests. A united political stance

:43:43. > :43:50.from all parties and a real united political stance from all parties in

:43:51. > :43:56.the assembly is imperative. If we are to enable statutory agencies and

:43:57. > :43:59.community groups to challenge ongoing paramilitary activity which

:44:00. > :44:05.should be condemned out right from what ever works or it comes from.

:44:06. > :44:09.For that reason, the additions, and I repeat again to the ministerial

:44:10. > :44:12.pledge of office, and the undertaking by assembly members are

:44:13. > :44:19.welcome, or for that clarification is required. There is one element of

:44:20. > :44:25.the pledge in particular that requires further scrutiny, they do

:44:26. > :44:28.ask the Secretary of State for some clarification today or the Minister

:44:29. > :44:34.of state who will be responding, the inclusion in the project office and

:44:35. > :44:38.undertaking I MSAs refers to ministers and and many duties to

:44:39. > :44:44.support those are determined to make the away from paramilitarism. So, if

:44:45. > :44:51.we could have some clarification on that, within a paramilitarism is not

:44:52. > :44:59.an overnight process, and scope has to be made for transition. However,

:45:00. > :45:05.this cannot be a video for illegal or other activity by paramilitary

:45:06. > :45:11.groups or manifest themselves as prospective tolerance for different

:45:12. > :45:15.classes of paramilitary behaviour. We as MPs representing Northern

:45:16. > :45:21.Ireland constituencies have seen many examples of paramilitary

:45:22. > :45:23.activity. As I said earlier Madam Deputy Speaker, in my intervention

:45:24. > :45:29.to the Secretary of State, I do regret the fact that there has been

:45:30. > :45:35.no addressing legislative terms of the legacy issues of those matters

:45:36. > :45:41.to deal with, the victims. I would urge that such legislation does come

:45:42. > :45:48.through and as my Honorable friend Andy member has said that such

:45:49. > :45:54.legislation is subjected to detailed scrutiny of this house because we

:45:55. > :45:59.owe it to all the victims and all those who have suffered so terribly

:46:00. > :46:06.as a result of such heinous violence. It was never asked for and

:46:07. > :46:11.never called for. And, in all of this that in the outer workings of

:46:12. > :46:16.all these agreements and in the eye workings of trying to achieve

:46:17. > :46:20.political and economic stability, because that is what we all strive

:46:21. > :46:24.for, and what we all want to see is for the betterment of all of her

:46:25. > :46:29.constituents and for all the citizens of Northern Ireland that we

:46:30. > :46:36.are able to ensure the social justice is provided for and that

:46:37. > :46:39.inequalities that have been in here and across the community for some

:46:40. > :46:47.years are towed to the address and that we do see the sustaining of

:46:48. > :46:52.existing jobs, the provision of new jobs, and the building up of small

:46:53. > :46:58.to medium-sized enterprises. But although jobs to foreign direct

:46:59. > :47:02.investments, I would ask for the Secretary of State and her

:47:03. > :47:06.colleague, the Minister of state work with the Northern Ireland

:47:07. > :47:14.Executive to ensure that that comes about to stop thank you Madam Deputy

:47:15. > :47:19.Speaker. Thank you, can I join with honourable colleagues and the right

:47:20. > :47:22.Honorable colleagues on this side of the House in acknowledging the

:47:23. > :47:29.presence of the Honorable member for church very, again diligent as the

:47:30. > :47:36.chair of the select committee but also in circumstances where he has

:47:37. > :47:41.suffered a close personal loss in terms of the untimely death of Mark

:47:42. > :47:47.Calloway and he has all of our sympathy and can I acknowledge the

:47:48. > :47:56.message from my Honorable member which I will pass on to my sister.

:47:57. > :48:02.Madam Deputy Speaker, this bill takes forward aspects of what has

:48:03. > :48:09.been Kolbe start agreement. I did say at the time there was an undue

:48:10. > :48:14.amount of political debris is being attached to that particular

:48:15. > :48:17.agreement because it is not as wide an agreement as for instance the

:48:18. > :48:22.picture on the library paper relating to this bill would suggest

:48:23. > :48:25.because it implies that all the parties are there and it is quite

:48:26. > :48:29.clear it is not just our party but also the alliance party have made it

:48:30. > :48:33.very clear that essentially they see most of this agreement as an

:48:34. > :48:36.agreement between Sinn Fein and the DUP and the British and Irish

:48:37. > :48:39.governments. That does not mean the rest of us do not make very

:48:40. > :48:44.significant contributions in the discussions that were taking place

:48:45. > :48:50.and my Honorable friend the Member for southbound is right to make the

:48:51. > :48:54.point that while other parties were saying a lot in front of the cameras

:48:55. > :48:59.about paramilitarism and how the issue had to be brought to a head,

:49:00. > :49:04.my party was the one party that made actual of suspended paper

:49:05. > :49:09.contributions in relation to how we need to move forward on the issue of

:49:10. > :49:11.paramilitarism with both on the one hand or whole enforcement approach

:49:12. > :49:15.because many parties and many people in the public really believe that a

:49:16. > :49:20.blind eye was being turned to different levels of criminal

:49:21. > :49:27.activity that findings were given to particular people and the government

:49:28. > :49:31.was happy to allow some crime to be continued essentially on the basis

:49:32. > :49:36.that these were personal assets that people now had that somehow so long

:49:37. > :49:39.as these assets and criminal activities were derivative of former

:49:40. > :49:45.paramilitary activities and associations that somehow they were

:49:46. > :49:50.not deemed to be political anymore than they were deemed to be at a

:49:51. > :49:54.number of times a mean the past had asked relevant authorities how some

:49:55. > :49:59.of these assets and activities were being treated we were told they were

:50:00. > :50:03.being treated as personal and not political or organisational in any

:50:04. > :50:06.way. There were many parties that he issues with bats and we heard that

:50:07. > :50:10.in previous debates here in this house from some of the Honorable

:50:11. > :50:18.members sitting behind me in relation to various aspects of

:50:19. > :50:23.smuggling and indeed of course environmental crime. Waste crime,

:50:24. > :50:26.crime involving serious hazardous waste and significant quantities of

:50:27. > :50:34.illegal and hazardous waste as well and clearly there are vestiges of

:50:35. > :50:42.former paramilitary associations of there. It is quite clear that do

:50:43. > :50:49.have those kind of hangover nixes that exists around certain

:50:50. > :50:52.paramilitary groups of people who were former associated with

:50:53. > :50:54.paramilitary groups. We were advocating the whole enforcement

:50:55. > :50:58.which of course they do have to acknowledge, both governments were

:50:59. > :51:01.absolutely adamant in those negotiations that there was no

:51:02. > :51:08.granddad being turned, that all the relevant agencies were pursuing

:51:09. > :51:10.everything they possibly could, both individually and collectively. But

:51:11. > :51:16.the government did accept that maybe dated the to be even more visibility

:51:17. > :51:22.towards that. But it may be needed to be more vocal as well as more

:51:23. > :51:27.visible to which is why we have some of the emphasis that is there in the

:51:28. > :51:33.commitment that have been made in terms of cross-border task force and

:51:34. > :51:36.those sort of efforts. But, we also advocated what he called it whole

:51:37. > :51:44.community approach because we said if we are going to achieve Andy

:51:45. > :51:49.North a whole some society free of all the amenities of paramilitary

:51:50. > :51:51.traces and all of the other hangover divisions from our past, there

:51:52. > :51:57.needed to be a whole community approach to that. In fact in the

:51:58. > :51:59.paper, that we set out and just quote a number of points that we

:52:00. > :52:06.made there, we said political parties ought to be in coherent and

:52:07. > :52:08.consistent shared standards which recognised and reported it and the

:52:09. > :52:11.various paramilitaries and just an involvement. They should reflect the

:52:12. > :52:14.shared approach which is about tooling up paramilitarism Andy Chase

:52:15. > :52:20.activities, not just thinking of particular groups or giving parties.

:52:21. > :52:23.We said party should unite in adhering to the whole community

:52:24. > :52:27.approach to achieving a wholesome community free of sectarianism,

:52:28. > :52:32.division, and vintage vestiges of ongoing paramilitarism. The whole

:52:33. > :52:37.community approach should entail more than challenging paramilitary

:52:38. > :52:41.practices or presences in our own constituencies or highlighting them

:52:42. > :52:44.on someone else's. It should mean that we all seek pernicious

:52:45. > :52:48.paramilitary activity in any corner of the North as an affront to the

:52:49. > :52:55.whole democratic society we should want as the veneration's legacy to

:52:56. > :52:59.the next. Deep cleansing residual habits of paramilitarism should be a

:53:00. > :53:04.key dimension in any programme for cohesion sharing and integration in

:53:05. > :53:08.a healthy United community. But the Deputy Speaker, we also observe that

:53:09. > :53:16.the converse is also pertinent, we cannot eradicate the course to him

:53:17. > :53:20.paramilitarism and given settings without overcoming divisions,

:53:21. > :53:24.tensions, apprehensions, and grievances which paramilitary

:53:25. > :53:28.convert to their own. In calling for that whole community approach, we

:53:29. > :53:34.had the idea of parties making new decorations and they said may be

:53:35. > :53:37.something along the lines of the Mitchell principles or the northern

:53:38. > :53:42.principles of public life. But we wanted was the commitments coming

:53:43. > :53:48.from all of the parties in pledges that would be meaningful and then of

:53:49. > :53:54.course that would be subject to adherence. That is the issue that

:53:55. > :53:57.the Honorable Lady for southbound had touched on in terms of the

:53:58. > :54:04.pledges as they have found a way into this bill. This bill does not

:54:05. > :54:10.give us the idea of the pledges coming from all of the parties and

:54:11. > :54:13.the parties uniting in guaranteeing adherence to those pledges across

:54:14. > :54:19.other preventatives instead what this bill does is take the idea of a

:54:20. > :54:23.pledge and it adds pledge of office for ministers in a number of

:54:24. > :54:29.respects and then it creates a parallel area of pledge or an

:54:30. > :54:32.mayonnaise, of course D speaker when there have been issues and

:54:33. > :54:36.controversies in Northern Ireland on whether or not parties had been

:54:37. > :54:39.consorting with paramilitaries are engaging, the allegation had not

:54:40. > :54:48.just been about MLA or ministers, their easy questions, they are not

:54:49. > :54:54.about the standards as above they make in terms of their commitment to

:54:55. > :54:57.nonviolence. The question also raises were here in this house

:54:58. > :55:02.debating this legislation, the did not apply to the MPs? Are MP3 of the

:55:03. > :55:08.standards. They apply to MLAs and they apply to ministers to a degree,

:55:09. > :55:14.but not I think we need to find a more articulate way than just the

:55:15. > :55:18.pledges as they appear here. And of course the Honorable member for

:55:19. > :55:26.northbound is right in pointing out that there is no way of enforcing a

:55:27. > :55:30.relation to any dispute or controversy. That applies not just

:55:31. > :55:34.to the question of the undertaking members of the assembly, it applies

:55:35. > :55:40.very directly to the pledge of ministers because there is no means

:55:41. > :55:45.of arbitrary unmanaged breaches of the ministerial code. So, the

:55:46. > :55:50.executive does not have a means of doing that, the First Minister have

:55:51. > :55:56.still not found a way are brought forward a clearly of investigating

:55:57. > :56:00.and making a judgement where if they had been breaches of the

:56:01. > :56:03.ministerial, people can take each other to court alleging breaches of

:56:04. > :56:09.the ministerial code. There is not what they should be a sensible,

:56:10. > :56:13.clear, credible mechanism at the level of the executive itself, and

:56:14. > :56:16.similarly such would be needed from the assembly whether to go to the

:56:17. > :56:23.committee of standard and privileges are it is not enough to just be

:56:24. > :56:25.standing orders to decide this to my mind is a higher order political

:56:26. > :56:30.decision than something that it should be decided by a procedures

:56:31. > :56:34.committee in the assembly looking at standing orders. D speaker, that

:56:35. > :56:40.would be mistake that was made years ago in the original 1998 act, the

:56:41. > :56:47.provisions around the petition of concern, the provisions in paragraph

:56:48. > :56:52.11 to 13 were very particular about how limited the use of petitions

:56:53. > :56:54.were to be. They were to be selectively for instances where

:56:55. > :56:58.people were alleging that there was a breach, that there was an issue of

:56:59. > :57:04.human rights or equality, and a mechanism was set up on the basis of

:57:05. > :57:07.concern to test that issue. And then, things would proceed him

:57:08. > :57:12.unfortunately the legislation rather than providing for what was in the

:57:13. > :57:17.Good Friday agreement, the legislation simply said that

:57:18. > :57:21.standing orders would provide for the sorts of devices that were

:57:22. > :57:24.mentioned in those paragraphs and it was never done right which is why we

:57:25. > :57:30.had the very point that the Member for Cech Barry was complaining about

:57:31. > :57:34.what we have a wide open drive-by vehicle state of petition of concern

:57:35. > :57:40.that was used on a tit-for-tat basis and on a frivolous basis. I am

:57:41. > :57:43.grateful my beaker for it giving way, I think he made a strong point

:57:44. > :57:48.about the principles that should be applied in public life, it is not a

:57:49. > :57:53.certain irony that they have just alongside Sinn Fein this evening

:57:54. > :57:55.find a position of concern to retain and enshrine religious

:57:56. > :58:01.discrimination in the selection of teachers in the province? They have

:58:02. > :58:09.signed a petition of concern against a proposal which is coming forward

:58:10. > :58:12.currently yes, just before, it is a matter of trying to protect laws

:58:13. > :58:17.that have already existed and not change them, not change them

:58:18. > :58:21.rationally before an election. Which is also something that the DUP have

:58:22. > :58:29.stated in relation to other aspects as well. In terms of defending the

:58:30. > :58:36.existing equality, the existing equality provisions that are there,

:58:37. > :58:41.clearly it does. What should happen with a protection of concern should

:58:42. > :58:44.be what happens or what was intended under the Good Friday agreement,

:58:45. > :58:46.rather than that being the end of that matter. That matter should then

:58:47. > :58:53.be the subject of an investigation but especially am appointed

:58:54. > :58:56.committee, what issues are involved and that that issue and that the

:58:57. > :59:02.matter proceed. That is the way it should have been as per the

:59:03. > :59:05.agreement, that has been our position as to help petitions of

:59:06. > :59:13.concern should be properly dealt with. And not abused in that sort of

:59:14. > :59:16.way. Let us remember also, when they looked at those pledge of office,

:59:17. > :59:21.the pledge of office, the budget office by ministers and members of

:59:22. > :59:26.the assembly and well the fact that it is confined purely to ministers

:59:27. > :59:29.and to members of the assembly and not the other party politicians. We

:59:30. > :59:33.also need to recognise that the commitments essentially are to work

:59:34. > :59:38.for the ministers to work collectively with the other members

:59:39. > :59:41.and to achieve a society free of paramilitarism. I would hope that

:59:42. > :59:44.the commitments would work and extend to much more than just their

:59:45. > :59:48.ministerial colleagues, and the commitment of a members should

:59:49. > :59:53.extend to more than just working with their SMB colleagues. There is

:59:54. > :59:58.also of course the question of what to some of the terms mean and the

:59:59. > :00:07.Honorable member for getting was right, I think to point out the

:00:08. > :00:13.final stop pledge in both the pledge of office by ministers and SME

:00:14. > :00:18.members which pledges to accept no authority direction or control on

:00:19. > :00:21.political activities other than my democratic mandate alongside my own

:00:22. > :00:24.personal and party judgement. Well, if ministers are saying that in

:00:25. > :00:31.their pledge of office, in the same pledge of office ministers are also

:00:32. > :00:33.pledging to be bound by decisions of the executive and he is saying

:00:34. > :00:38.something that appears to contradict that because it says to accept no

:00:39. > :00:43.direction or control. Other than democratic mandate alongside these,

:00:44. > :00:54.there is a tension there, also of course there would be the issue of

:00:55. > :00:56.if we do fill the gap that the Honorable member for northbound

:00:57. > :01:03.mentioned, if we do fill that gap in terms of creating some clear sense

:01:04. > :01:08.of standards and sanctions around this, then clearly people are going

:01:09. > :01:13.to have to accept some of their political conduct and that there

:01:14. > :01:16.will be listening to others in regards of the standards of

:01:17. > :01:21.behaviours and engagement should be. Therefore again, I think there is a

:01:22. > :01:26.problem which the Honorable member for deadening has been a right to

:01:27. > :01:34.identify. I also want to take up the point that my Honorable friend for

:01:35. > :01:38.southbound had mentioned in respect of the second of the sub pages which

:01:39. > :01:41.is to support those who are determined to make the transition

:01:42. > :01:47.away from paramilitarism, that might seem to be fair enough as a general

:01:48. > :01:53.statement of support, but what does it mean in practice. And also, are

:01:54. > :01:58.there potentially tensions between that and other parts of the pledge

:01:59. > :02:02.to challenge paramilitary attempt to control communities? And the

:02:03. > :02:09.commitment to challenge all paramilitarism activity, because as

:02:10. > :02:16.the right honourable member said in his remarks earlier, he questioned

:02:17. > :02:21.whether or not some of the paramilitary or former personalities

:02:22. > :02:29.who have talked a lot in their contribution to the peace process

:02:30. > :02:31.that they have been in relation to certain standards and certain

:02:32. > :02:38.practices and that they have turned a blind eyes to certain things. The

:02:39. > :02:41.questions are raised as to whether or not when we are criticising or

:02:42. > :02:45.challenging such people, are they then going to be accused of not

:02:46. > :02:50.supporting those who are determined to make the transition away from

:02:51. > :02:53.paramilitarism? Many people use as a justification for their demands for

:02:54. > :03:00.funding for particular schemes, they use as justification for jobs and

:03:01. > :03:03.the rest, this is all about weaning people away from paramilitarism.

:03:04. > :03:08.Other people in the community sometimes challenges because they

:03:09. > :03:13.challenge particular post that became available. And other people

:03:14. > :03:18.were I do think there are issues that we should look at there. And

:03:19. > :03:25.remember we had the very glaring example of the Honorable member for

:03:26. > :03:31.Southdown herself when she was a minister and made a decision to

:03:32. > :03:35.cease to continue funding from her department to the Carthage

:03:36. > :03:37.estimation initiative because the Chief Constable and other senior

:03:38. > :03:41.police officers at the camera making it very glaring that they were being

:03:42. > :03:47.funded and supported by the confidence predation initiative were

:03:48. > :03:50.up to their necks in a series of crimes at that time, there were

:03:51. > :03:53.profile criminal activities taking place at that time, they keep

:03:54. > :03:59.Godzilla made it clear, my Honorable friend brought that matter to the

:04:00. > :04:03.executive, he said that is going to be decided in your department,

:04:04. > :04:07.whenever she did decide it people change their idea and of course

:04:08. > :04:12.other parties then said no, that transformation is supporting people

:04:13. > :04:14.who are trying to make the transition away from paramilitarism.

:04:15. > :04:18.As far as other people were concerned this was money that was

:04:19. > :04:24.going to support people who are up to their neck in crime at that time.

:04:25. > :04:30.So, what is it to be? There are potential tensions even with how any

:04:31. > :04:32.of them could determine any of these clauses here, we could take them in

:04:33. > :04:39.very different directions. Again, work is needed on these to refine

:04:40. > :04:45.them somewhat better as well as making sure someone else can be lots

:04:46. > :04:48.of identity and parties on these issues. The one thing we do not want

:04:49. > :04:55.is parties ended up arguing with each other over paramilitarism are

:04:56. > :04:59.we supposing aspects either now or historically. The more united and

:05:00. > :05:05.coherent parties can be seen to be the better. Remember, we want to

:05:06. > :05:12.make sure that the surprise at all levels, if there are controversies

:05:13. > :05:17.about party politicians turning up at particular events and protests

:05:18. > :05:20.and paramilitaries are there as well do need to be able to do with those

:05:21. > :05:27.issues and make sure that this sort of pledge does govern things that

:05:28. > :05:31.when it comes to controversies like as has been mentioned in this

:05:32. > :05:37.chamber before, for instance it should be clear that we have a

:05:38. > :05:41.pledge that relates to paramilitaries practices either

:05:42. > :05:44.historically or currently that is absolutely consistent and all on the

:05:45. > :05:47.one yardstick. That becomes protection for all the individual

:05:48. > :05:51.politicians would be put under pressure at community level to get

:05:52. > :05:59.involved and then their presence. So the pledge is articulate and robust

:06:00. > :06:04.and could give us a lot there. But under the DD speaker, there are

:06:05. > :06:12.other issues in this ballot before, not in the bill, of course the

:06:13. > :06:14.independent reporting commissions other Honorable members have such an

:06:15. > :06:21.effect that it is the First Minister who will appoint part of the first

:06:22. > :06:28.agreement, whose record was to the executive, it is clear here that I

:06:29. > :06:31.share what others have there, that needs to be the subject of wider

:06:32. > :06:35.consideration and consultation as well. I think there are issues about

:06:36. > :06:41.the secretary of state powers in respect of that commission. The fact

:06:42. > :06:45.that the Secretary of State will be in charge of defining the

:06:46. > :06:49.interpretations around a lot of these things and possibly changing

:06:50. > :07:00.the interpretations around some of these things. That needs more work

:07:01. > :07:07.and consideration. One of the DD speaker, also in Clause issue of

:07:08. > :07:12.draft budget, there are a couple of points I want to make a ball what is

:07:13. > :07:16.in there. First of all, the government is saying that this

:07:17. > :07:22.clauses here because they want to ensure greater transparency and

:07:23. > :07:28.sustainability are on the budget. I am all for transparency around

:07:29. > :07:34.budgets and even Marcel whenever I have the job of Minister of finance

:07:35. > :07:37.and personnel. Indeed the SDLP in various talks have advocated going

:07:38. > :07:43.much further in relation to budget transparency. As well as having

:07:44. > :07:46.designed the whole procedure of their agents parent process of draft

:07:47. > :07:51.budgets to be fully considered for the assembly and open to public

:07:52. > :07:58.consultation and then subject to the revise budget procedure, we have

:07:59. > :08:01.also advocated in various talks but did not get agreement from other

:08:02. > :08:07.parties and this went right back to the Castle, we said that after the

:08:08. > :08:11.revise budget was approved by the assembly, we said each departmental

:08:12. > :08:14.minister should then within a period of a number of weeks make their own

:08:15. > :08:18.statement of their own spending plan and be fully answerable to the

:08:19. > :08:22.assembly for how they would add to the conspiracy. It was not to the

:08:23. > :08:27.taste of many of the parties who were talking about it, he was

:08:28. > :08:32.telling me we don't want that much just guarantee, that would be too

:08:33. > :08:35.much. I think there should be transparency there within the

:08:36. > :08:41.assembly and following through on budgets. In terms of this particular

:08:42. > :08:44.instrument, that is mentioned here, there would be a statement that

:08:45. > :08:50.would be made before the assembly in terms of the amount of UK funding. I

:08:51. > :08:54.would ask the Secretary of State if she would consider accepting an

:08:55. > :08:58.amendment that would make that further and would say that that

:08:59. > :09:03.statement should actually specify exactly how the Northern Ireland

:09:04. > :09:06.allocations was calculated so that people in the assembly and members

:09:07. > :09:11.here would be able to correlate exactly how that spending would

:09:12. > :09:17.amount for Northern Ireland and has been determined here and on the

:09:18. > :09:22.basis possibly on legislation and legislative requirements, Madam

:09:23. > :09:26.Deputy Speaker, it was one of the key arguments that came from the

:09:27. > :09:29.Scottish National Party and their selves in relation to the English

:09:30. > :09:34.was for English laws, there were legislations that can go through

:09:35. > :09:41.here, that's will then inform spending plans. And though spending

:09:42. > :09:47.plans that are informed for England or England and Wales will then in

:09:48. > :09:50.turn be factored in to the formula. It is a just guarantee because the

:09:51. > :09:55.government tried to tell us at the time, no the legislation has that

:09:56. > :09:59.kind of spending consequences, this is the government that usually when

:10:00. > :10:06.they were rejecting amendments, it would be because of their budgetary

:10:07. > :10:09.consequences. They try to pretend with English words for English laws

:10:10. > :10:14.that there were no consequences with the legislation that would be

:10:15. > :10:20.passed. They might be right, we might be writes, the way of proving

:10:21. > :10:23.who is or is not right, the way up establishing the facts is to take

:10:24. > :10:26.these instruments of transparency a bit further and it should not be

:10:27. > :10:29.hard to colour in that statement a bit more, rather than just being the

:10:30. > :10:32.brief outline statement that it is, it should be able to be well

:10:33. > :10:37.coloured in whether it is in respect of the draft budgets or the

:10:38. > :10:41.subsequent revise statement that the revise budget has as well. If people

:10:42. > :10:46.want just guarantee that would be a very good addition to just

:10:47. > :10:52.guarantee. We have to question whether or not some of the intention

:10:53. > :10:59.with the statement is of course to use in effect as a budget cap so the

:11:00. > :11:01.government is saying they wanted to be a budget guarantee and

:11:02. > :11:05.sustainability, but of course we know that whenever the Corporation

:11:06. > :11:11.tax bill is passed the financial Secretary to the Treasury said that

:11:12. > :11:16.the switch on would only be activated whenever the Treasury was

:11:17. > :11:19.that despite around a balanced and sustainable budget and let some of

:11:20. > :11:23.us asked at the bill committee would be Treasury use that to make a

:11:24. > :11:29.judgement on some of the spending plans of the executive because after

:11:30. > :11:37.all the Treasury was using the assembly failure to pass the welfare

:11:38. > :11:40.reform legislation as a case for making a judgement that there was

:11:41. > :11:42.not a balanced and sustainable judgement that this be used for

:11:43. > :11:45.other things in the future for instant information to student

:11:46. > :11:50.finance and in relation to water charges and in relation to

:11:51. > :11:55.prescription charges or anything else and the financial Secretary

:11:56. > :12:00.said well, you judge a budget on the sum of its parts. So he did that,

:12:01. > :12:03.and it could be used precisely to involve themselves in some of those

:12:04. > :12:08.other things. One other point I would make about the draft budgets

:12:09. > :12:16.in Clause nine and is one of the reasons I welcome this is it severs

:12:17. > :12:24.a point Madam Deputy Speaker that arose after a budget in the assembly

:12:25. > :12:31.in 2008, the Minister for finance and personnel brought a budget to

:12:32. > :12:35.the assembly in 2008 we try to amend it and am in the programme for

:12:36. > :12:41.government as well as as voting against aspect of it, he announced

:12:42. > :12:48.then a few months later that because that budget that he bought through

:12:49. > :12:52.in 2008 had also contained figures for 2009, and 2010, they did not

:12:53. > :12:55.need to be draft budgets tabled before the assembly in the

:12:56. > :13:01.subsequent years, the procedures that were laid down which very

:13:02. > :13:09.clearly were predicated on a financial, annual exercise he said

:13:10. > :13:15.that he had legal advice that said that requirements for that exercise

:13:16. > :13:19.before each financial year was discharged by the fact that he had

:13:20. > :13:22.covered figures for all three years in the 2008 budget. We challenge

:13:23. > :13:27.that at the time, we took it to the Speaker of the assembly at the time,

:13:28. > :13:34.unfortunately he said he was up to us to take a legal challenge on it.

:13:35. > :13:40.That advised that Peter Robinson was giving at the time as minister was

:13:41. > :13:44.followed then by his successor as minister of finance and personnel,

:13:45. > :13:46.the writable member for North Belfast thing that the job budget

:13:47. > :13:52.exercise was needed, one of the things that is very clear is that it

:13:53. > :13:55.is an annual exercise, there is no ambiguity or doubt when you see the

:13:56. > :13:59.way this is framed that it is an annual exercise, the there have to

:14:00. > :14:03.be a draft budget tabled and fully debated every year and there have to

:14:04. > :14:08.be this additional statement ahead of that. We are glad that at least

:14:09. > :14:14.it does that, maybe it should restore a bit of transparency, to

:14:15. > :14:18.the assembly which does need to be amplified, the assembly should be

:14:19. > :14:33.doing much more by way of scrutiny from budgets and spending. Members

:14:34. > :14:38.have raised issues that weren't covered in the secretary of State's

:14:39. > :14:45.address in her opening remarks in her respective legacy issues. I

:14:46. > :14:53.regret the fact that we ended up with, rather than in all party, all

:14:54. > :15:01.partied together agreement, we have ended of with welfare reform going

:15:02. > :15:09.forward as agreed by the three amigos of Sheng fang. The Tories and

:15:10. > :15:17.the DEP, and the austerity a landscape was welfare reform on

:15:18. > :15:27.those terms. Now we have this legislation being brought forward,

:15:28. > :15:31.and the legacy legislation. When that comes it is important it is not

:15:32. > :15:37.rushed, and that we give full consideration again to some of the

:15:38. > :15:43.issues. While I recognise the Secretary of State saying that she

:15:44. > :15:49.thinks the measure of agreement that was apparent around the table I

:15:50. > :15:54.store my house, the highest degree of agreement that there has been, I

:15:55. > :15:58.would make the point that there was an offer of a much better

:15:59. > :16:10.perspectives in terms of dealing with the past. There was a another

:16:11. > :16:14.perspective as well. They were watered down in the store my house

:16:15. > :16:24.agreement, and being watered down further. In a number of respects,

:16:25. > :16:29.and I would ask as well as victims groups who have their own concerns,

:16:30. > :16:32.upsets, and apprehensions to consider all of the issues, I would

:16:33. > :16:41.ask all parties to consider all of the issues as well. Not least in

:16:42. > :16:47.respect of the potential to deal with what have now been thematic.

:16:48. > :16:51.What is hugely important is that the historic investigations unit has set

:16:52. > :17:01.up to undertaking the work that was formally done by the police odds

:17:02. > :17:07.with them. -- ombudsman. We should realise it will work on the basis of

:17:08. > :17:16.providing support to families. Many of these cases are linked together.

:17:17. > :17:22.There are wider patterns, and wider issues at stake. Not all in relation

:17:23. > :17:26.to killings. We think many of those need to be given an airing. We think

:17:27. > :17:32.that that would help to answer some of the questions that have been

:17:33. > :17:37.raised by the honourable member. He said he thinks there is an

:17:38. > :17:40.unbalanced approach to the past, that those who want the past

:17:41. > :17:46.investigated are concentrating on what he stated, and not what

:17:47. > :17:49.paramilitary actors did. The whole question of the medics and patterns

:17:50. > :17:59.in those investigations could precisely lead to more balance. That

:18:00. > :18:15.is why we put such emphasis on that. I recall the point in reply to some

:18:16. > :18:19.of the points that deal with the means and the motives were pursuing

:18:20. > :18:22.their aspects of the past that interested in them, and other people

:18:23. > :18:27.were being left aside. He was making the point that he thought the medics

:18:28. > :18:34.was a way of evening that, and making sure that other issues and

:18:35. > :18:46.concerns were looked at. I am grateful to the honourable member.

:18:47. > :18:54.Before he concludes... Just before he concludes his remarks, I wanted

:18:55. > :19:00.to take this opportunity to express, despite the noises, how sorry we are

:19:01. > :19:06.that there has been a family burden and in the honourable member's

:19:07. > :19:12.extended family. We would be grateful if you would offer to his

:19:13. > :19:18.sister our sympathy and support at a time when her partner was tragically

:19:19. > :19:31.killed in a traffic accident last night. We are sorry indeed.

:19:32. > :19:42.Can I thank the Member for her kind condolences, which I will certainly

:19:43. > :19:50.pass on. I accept this burden that she has shared, on behalf of collies

:19:51. > :19:54.as well. Whenever we experience death, and a shock like that,

:19:55. > :20:00.especially when I didn't know what had happened when I spotted the tape

:20:01. > :20:04.across the road and the place, it looked like a security operation

:20:05. > :20:10.that would have been so familiar to so many of us down the years. It was

:20:11. > :20:17.a throwback image, before I knew anything else. I had memories of

:20:18. > :20:21.another occasion, which also brings to mind exactly the position we are

:20:22. > :20:26.all talking about, coming here from different party stances we are

:20:27. > :20:32.talking about victims and their positions, and their concerns.

:20:33. > :20:36.Victims, and survivors and their needs. We do need to show full

:20:37. > :20:39.consideration, because if we are going to convince them that the

:20:40. > :20:43.legislation, when it does come forward in relation to legacy

:20:44. > :20:51.issues, is going to be fit for their needs, then we need to listen and

:20:52. > :20:55.think a little bit more. I would hope that the consensus that the

:20:56. > :20:59.secretary of State is saying she wants to build isn't going to be

:21:00. > :21:02.just trying to square things off between herself and one or two other

:21:03. > :21:10.parties, but that it is done much more widely. Clearly, we will be

:21:11. > :21:16.bringing forward, as my honourable friend has said, we will be bringing

:21:17. > :21:19.forward amendments on some of these issues to try to prove and improve

:21:20. > :21:25.the meaning of this legislation. Obviously we are not opposed to

:21:26. > :21:29.this, because clearly we will need changes to be in place such as the

:21:30. > :21:32.change in relation to the timeline for the appointment of ministers,

:21:33. > :21:40.and the question of allowing a programme for government to actually

:21:41. > :21:44.be aired and shared before ministers are appointed. Clearly, if that will

:21:45. > :21:50.happen in time for the many of the next assembly, this legislation will

:21:51. > :21:56.have to go through. We are certainly, in terms of the timing,

:21:57. > :22:01.we wanted to improve it, and make some of the gaps and wrinkles in it.

:22:02. > :22:05.We think there could have been other things done with this legislation.

:22:06. > :22:09.Why should the appointment of first deputy and the Minister remained the

:22:10. > :22:15.singular appointment of two parties? Why not revert to the original Good

:22:16. > :22:21.Friday agreement of liking them? Sheng fang and the DEP go to lobby

:22:22. > :22:25.on their own. They couldn't originally in 2007, when devolution

:22:26. > :22:34.was restored with his wife the whole system had to be changed. Now they

:22:35. > :22:41.are happy to be in a power packed, there is no reason why they

:22:42. > :22:45.shouldn't. That should be an assembly mandate and have the deputy

:22:46. > :22:54.and first Minister mandated that way. In relation to this bill, we

:22:55. > :23:01.may concentrate on issues in the bill, and also on others that aren't

:23:02. > :23:06.in the bill. Thank you very much. Second reading debates are often

:23:07. > :23:12.described as timely, well informed, and occasionally that is true.

:23:13. > :23:15.Tonight, I think we have heard an excellent second reading debate with

:23:16. > :23:21.first-class contributions from all corners of the chamber. Can I

:23:22. > :23:26.associate myself and my colleague with particular aspirations of

:23:27. > :23:33.sympathy expressed to the honourable member of the death of Mark

:23:34. > :23:38.Calloway. The honourable number has borne this with courage, and has the

:23:39. > :23:43.sympathy of the house. As does the member from foil for his family

:23:44. > :23:52.burden and which I hope we can all there with him. This has been one of

:23:53. > :23:57.Constantine throughout the night's debate. That is, for once on these

:23:58. > :24:01.occasions, I am delighted, I am pleased to say, a theme of optimism.

:24:02. > :24:06.This is a serious and sober debate, but at every stage, there was a

:24:07. > :24:11.chink of light. That chance of hope, that good news for the future, and

:24:12. > :24:16.that commitment to a better shared future. We heard that from every

:24:17. > :24:23.party speaking tonight. That is one of the most important things we have

:24:24. > :24:30.heard tonight. When the Member for Belfast North refers to, rather

:24:31. > :24:34.flatteringly, we are represented more in quality than quantity, may I

:24:35. > :24:36.say there are more people beyond this chamber looking at our

:24:37. > :24:42.deliberations who are watching us, and in many cases they will be

:24:43. > :24:47.looking in on us with admiration and gratitude. We are moving on in

:24:48. > :24:49.northern Ireland to a better, shared future. Tonight's bill and the

:24:50. > :24:55.second reading may not be the most important piece of legislation ever

:24:56. > :25:00.seen on this floor, but it is an essential, crucial building block in

:25:01. > :25:03.this war, in the architecture, the structure of a peaceful Northern

:25:04. > :25:10.Ireland that we all aspire for. I have been greatly at impressed by

:25:11. > :25:14.the determination and quality of the comments tonight. The honourable

:25:15. > :25:18.Lady, above and beyond the call of duty, presented herself despite

:25:19. > :25:31.suffering from something approaching laryngitis. May I suggest there is a

:25:32. > :25:36.marvellous medicine in Ireland and Scotland, that is available for her

:25:37. > :25:41.on request. Whether she was able to avail herself of a small nip, I

:25:42. > :25:46.cannot say, but as a prophylactic against such drug conditions, it is

:25:47. > :25:53.admirable and Wolk recommended. It is also a very powerful curative.

:25:54. > :25:56.Referring again to the honourable gentleman for Belfast North, when he

:25:57. > :26:02.said that this is only part of the information of the Stormont house,

:26:03. > :26:06.and try the course of his speech and others, we were privileged and

:26:07. > :26:09.almost blessed to hear some extraordinarily incisive

:26:10. > :26:14.interventions by the honourable Betty from North Down. Her

:26:15. > :26:18.suggestion of extending the inset empire to Northern Ireland is

:26:19. > :26:22.something that would be a tad controversial. We may need to

:26:23. > :26:25.discuss that at some later point. I also thought the gentleman from

:26:26. > :26:30.Belfast North was right, and I would like to associate myself and my

:26:31. > :26:33.colleague with his comment about Peter Robinson. We don't give people

:26:34. > :26:38.enough credit on the floor of this house for the work we do. Very often

:26:39. > :26:41.people achieve great things, and then they perhaps move off of the

:26:42. > :26:45.stage may be to return, who knows? And move off of the stage and

:26:46. > :26:51.sometimes we neglected to thank and pay credit to them. The honourable

:26:52. > :26:55.gentleman for North Belfast has done the right thing. I think everyone

:26:56. > :27:03.would wish to associate himself with his comments. We also heard from the

:27:04. > :27:08.honourable gentleman of how things have moved on from the days of the

:27:09. > :27:15.bonfires. Extraordinarily, sobering as if it is needed, a comment from

:27:16. > :27:19.the right honourable gentleman. Sometimes, when we debate Northern

:27:20. > :27:23.Ireland business on the floor of the house, we actually forget the

:27:24. > :27:27.full-scale and extent of the seriousness of the subject we are

:27:28. > :27:37.debating. He referred to the deaths that occurred to the troubles over

:27:38. > :27:45.over 3600 deaths. More people have died of the there own hands -- the

:27:46. > :27:49.work we do hear it must always be done in the context of those

:27:50. > :27:56.realities. Of the existence, still, of a legacy that is so horrific that

:27:57. > :28:01.sometimes it is almost impossible to almost absorb its full strength.

:28:02. > :28:09.Those suicide figures, the figures that are very seldom publicised, are

:28:10. > :28:12.utterly bone chilling. Any of us feel that we are somehow fighting

:28:13. > :28:16.fighting in our determination to drive forward the peace process in

:28:17. > :28:20.Northern Ireland, let us never forget it didn't and I'm Good

:28:21. > :28:26.Friday. The problem still exists today. We heard a wonderful comment

:28:27. > :28:31.and speech that from the first time the honourable Lady from a soft

:28:32. > :28:35.down. Having considered at great length her comment, I had decided

:28:36. > :28:40.that yes, I agree with her. We should stay in the European union

:28:41. > :28:45.for many, many reasons. She was so right, yet again, to refer to the

:28:46. > :28:49.troubles and to the victims. It is interesting that we didn't stray far

:28:50. > :28:56.and wide, and occasionally we pushed the envelope of a direct relevance.

:28:57. > :29:00.Certainly, when we moved out, particularly in a wide ranging

:29:01. > :29:07.horizon scanning speech by the honourable gentleman, we trespassed

:29:08. > :29:12.in some of the byways of the debate which I hadn't anticipated we would

:29:13. > :29:16.be discussing. I think in one of the other interventions by the

:29:17. > :29:20.honourable Lady for North Down, when she referred to the New Clause

:29:21. > :29:27.eight, particularly the new proposed section 48, and undertaken by

:29:28. > :29:29.members, I say to the house, and particularly to the Secretary of

:29:30. > :29:33.State, I don't think we have heard the last of it. It is from a

:29:34. > :29:37.business, but legislation on the floor of this house today, and

:29:38. > :29:44.legislation at committee stage on the floor of his house. I expect New

:29:45. > :29:52.Clause eight, especially New Clause 41 B will to back for us to discuss

:29:53. > :29:57.later on. This is one of the few Northern Ireland debates that has

:29:58. > :30:05.not been blessed by a 50 pound division from East Londonderry. I

:30:06. > :30:12.confess to a feeling of frustration and sadness. Particularly, as I have

:30:13. > :30:17.enjoyed the company of the honourable gentleman in a cracking

:30:18. > :30:25.good night in the intercostal night. -- the orange juice flowed like

:30:26. > :30:29.orange juice. LAUGHTER has an absolute brilliant evening, showing

:30:30. > :30:33.that we didn't need artificial stimulation, and there exists in the

:30:34. > :30:38.heart of hearts, a wonderful community that I hadn't been aware

:30:39. > :30:41.of. It was such a pleasure to be able to be speaking at while both of

:30:42. > :30:51.them sat, and had to listen. LAUGHTER in conclusion, Madam Deputy

:30:52. > :30:57.Speaker, I would like to say that this is an excellent second reading.

:30:58. > :31:01.We are now moving into committee stage next week. There will be more

:31:02. > :31:06.discussion, but let us not forget what I said at the beginning. The

:31:07. > :31:11.motive for this whole debate, the one consistent golden thread has run

:31:12. > :31:15.through it, is a golden thread of optimism. I pay credit to every

:31:16. > :31:19.single person who has participated in the debate tonight, and so many

:31:20. > :31:23.outside of this chamber who have contributed toward that. I look

:31:24. > :31:27.forward to the full implementation of the fresh start agreement, and

:31:28. > :31:31.the Stormont House Agreement, as another step on a road to that

:31:32. > :31:41.shared, peaceful future that we all aspire to. Thank you Madam Deputy

:31:42. > :31:46.Speaker. It is always a pleasure following the member, who in every

:31:47. > :31:50.debate is optimistic and positive, and it is especially welcome that in

:31:51. > :31:54.another stage of the Stormont house and fresh start agreement, we find

:31:55. > :31:58.ourselves in a second reading with the full support of the Majesty's

:31:59. > :32:03.opposition. I want to pay tribute to the numbers, and the whole opposite

:32:04. > :32:08.front bench for their continued support in making sure that we move

:32:09. > :32:10.Northern Ireland onward to normalisation, and they sure that

:32:11. > :32:15.bulbs in the road we have experienced are sorted out to that

:32:16. > :32:27.province, in northern Ireland clinical settlement -- political

:32:28. > :32:31.settlement, to beckon. -- set in. I would like to respond to some of the

:32:32. > :32:36.points raised in this debate. I would start back reiterating the

:32:37. > :32:39.importance of the bill in terms of implementation of November's fresh

:32:40. > :32:45.start agreement as a whole, as well as specific provisions that give

:32:46. > :32:48.affect to the independent reporting commission and increase fiscal

:32:49. > :32:56.responsibility in the budget setting process. Paramilitary activity has

:32:57. > :32:59.been a blight on northern Irish, and he will be tackled together. The

:33:00. > :33:05.measures on this bill will create an independent body that will work

:33:06. > :33:10.toward ending her military activity in Northern Ireland once and for

:33:11. > :33:14.all. The budget measures in the bill achieves what if you set out in the

:33:15. > :33:17.first argument. It makes sure the executive cannot consider spending

:33:18. > :33:22.plans that exceed the block grant allocated from the Treasury. Further

:33:23. > :33:28.to the points that were made by members today, I would like to

:33:29. > :33:35.respond to some of them. Can I join with others in sending condolences

:33:36. > :33:40.to his family, and I hope that he knows we are here to support him in

:33:41. > :33:46.his lost, and also to their family. We are incredibly grateful for the

:33:47. > :33:58.forensic support that his committee gives to Northern Ireland politics.

:33:59. > :34:04.Indeed, the government pot -- it helps us build trust in northern

:34:05. > :34:08.Ireland. As a former member of the Scottish Parliament, and the

:34:09. > :34:11.internal routines of devolution, some of the measures the SNP support

:34:12. > :34:15.in this bill are not measures that would have been right for them in

:34:16. > :34:20.Scotland, by now that they do so for the reasons that she eloquently

:34:21. > :34:23.articulated earlier. To try to move Northern Ireland forward and try to

:34:24. > :34:28.achieve a settlement to allow them to move forward and put those

:34:29. > :34:35.troubles behind them. I'd like to pay tribute to the DEP, and the

:34:36. > :34:40.Member for Belfast North, who articulated history between former

:34:41. > :34:44.first minister. -- DEP. Without the former first minister we would not

:34:45. > :34:48.be here discussing this or the previous bill. I am grateful for the

:34:49. > :34:52.support they have given to the government to resolve some of the

:34:53. > :35:02.issues that led to that in last year. I am very grateful to the

:35:03. > :35:10.positive attitude from the DEP, and the support they have put in place.

:35:11. > :35:14.It is that determination to deal with those issues in the Stormont,

:35:15. > :35:18.by the executive, by the first minister, that means I am incredibly

:35:19. > :35:22.optimistic for Northern Ireland in how it is going to progress. I hope

:35:23. > :35:26.that the bonds that effectively appeared in the road when I was

:35:27. > :35:30.appointed are put behind us. We are moving forward, killing with a

:35:31. > :35:34.paramilitary past, hopefully stopping any in the future, but also

:35:35. > :35:40.grasped with both hands the opportunities, and the economic

:35:41. > :35:45.challenges that are presented. To the member of Belfast South, I hear

:35:46. > :35:52.the issues about legacy. We all want to solve those issues, and in the

:35:53. > :35:55.last few weeks and months, myself and my friend the Secretary of

:35:56. > :35:59.State, the Minister for Armed Forces, we met with the Justice

:36:00. > :36:04.minister, the deputy and first minister, I think that everyone is

:36:05. > :36:08.united in trying to get to a position where he can deal with the

:36:09. > :36:14.legacy of the past in order to move forward. The Treasury has agreed to

:36:15. > :36:19.a package of funding, ?150 million to fund dealing with those issues.

:36:20. > :36:25.Of course, we cannot just impose that hundred and ?50 million on an

:36:26. > :36:29.unreformed system. We are all trying to work together to produce a

:36:30. > :36:34.long-term solution, not a short-term solution for some of the issues. I

:36:35. > :36:41.would like to say one thing about national security. It is often in

:36:42. > :36:51.need about, that it is somehow being used as a block, unreasonable block

:36:52. > :36:55.on progress. Try the troubles, informers, neighbours, workmates,

:36:56. > :36:59.ordinary members of the public top security forces against the people

:37:00. > :37:02.who intimidated their own communities. It wasn't just

:37:03. > :37:05.informers, but everybody will stop people who didn't agree with

:37:06. > :37:10.violence. They might have been nationalists. Those people deserve

:37:11. > :37:13.our protection. Not only do they deserve it, but we have a duty to

:37:14. > :37:18.protect those people, because without their information and,

:37:19. > :37:22.without the helpful tip-offs, the confidential hotline being used,

:37:23. > :37:26.without people in the heart of the communities saying that they now

:37:27. > :37:29.stand for balance and we want to and paramilitary bullying, we would not

:37:30. > :37:32.have reached the end of the troubles. I think it should be

:37:33. > :37:36.remembered that when people and around national security as a

:37:37. > :37:39.throwaway line, at the heart of it it is about protecting those people,

:37:40. > :37:44.and giving them the duty of protection that we owe them, because

:37:45. > :37:48.without them I think more blood would have been shed on those dates

:37:49. > :37:52.of Northern Ireland. We shouldn't forget the role that they play. When

:37:53. > :38:00.asked I thank him for giving way. Would he agree that the place

:38:01. > :38:03.ombudsman, an instance, in terms of their investigation, they have

:38:04. > :38:09.always respected that fully. And never preached or compromised

:38:10. > :38:15.anybody's interest in that regard. Surely, others could be trusted to

:38:16. > :38:18.adhere to the same standard? Everyone is interested in the powers

:38:19. > :38:27.that they are granted. The national security does not discover actions a

:38:28. > :38:32.few, but a whole range of people involved in trying to make sure that

:38:33. > :38:42.our society is safe and secure. We should just rubber that national

:38:43. > :38:49.security is not used lightly. It is openly scrutinised. By the courts.

:38:50. > :38:54.The corner, and the judges often make the final decisions on many of

:38:55. > :38:57.these issues, and a CD full fax. It is important that we remember that

:38:58. > :39:06.national security is actually about protecting life and people. The

:39:07. > :39:09.honourable member is right about the financial provisions. We think it is

:39:10. > :39:14.very important that in order to allow a stable and secure budget to

:39:15. > :39:18.go forward, to allow everyone in the assembly to make sure that they have

:39:19. > :39:24.a role in producing a budget, and delivering services for a better

:39:25. > :39:31.governance and better services for the people in Northern Ireland. It

:39:32. > :39:34.is a good example of making government work better, and we are

:39:35. > :39:42.delighted that as the government we can measure that is put in place. To

:39:43. > :39:46.the number of South Antrim. On the definition of paramilitary activity,

:39:47. > :39:49.that is, in our view, to be left to the commission to decide. It would

:39:50. > :39:52.be hard in a piece of primary legislation to describe a

:39:53. > :39:57.paramilitary activity. It is the government pot make you it is not

:39:58. > :40:04.for us to prescribed to the four commissioners and the commissioner

:40:05. > :40:06.how they should look at. I hear the member's comments about the

:40:07. > :40:10.paramilitaries leaving the stage. When I hear that I think I wouldn't

:40:11. > :40:14.like to be in the green room at the time of that. There is no place for

:40:15. > :40:18.paramilitaries in Northern Ireland, and there never has been. We must

:40:19. > :40:24.make sure that there never is in the future. I think, I welcome his

:40:25. > :40:26.support for the bill. I welcome his observations. The Independent

:40:27. > :40:32.monetary commission have the macro will cover paramilitary activity in

:40:33. > :40:35.the south of Ireland. That is important, and I know that people in

:40:36. > :40:40.Ireland will take note of that. The guard have been supported over the

:40:41. > :40:46.years to ensuring that cross-border activity is counted. They know that

:40:47. > :40:49.all of this is effective between North and the South, something that

:40:50. > :41:00.we will focus on. He made a powerful point. It should be absolutely clear

:41:01. > :41:05.that it was many groups that killed innocent people on the streets of

:41:06. > :41:13.Northern Ireland, and indeed on the mainland of the UK. Selective leaks

:41:14. > :41:20.and salacious allegations contained -- cannot change that fact. The

:41:21. > :41:23.narrative that has been growing is very dangerous to the history of

:41:24. > :41:29.Northern Ireland, because the reality is that it was those groups

:41:30. > :41:32.that chose to go out on a night and kill people. It was those groups

:41:33. > :41:37.were planted the bombs, and we won't let the alternative narrative the

:41:38. > :41:40.plaintiff, that somehow somebody else caused it, and therefore they

:41:41. > :41:42.were not guilty of what they did that day. We hear that loud and

:41:43. > :41:50.clear. Given that these organizations need

:41:51. > :41:56.to be blamed for what they did, the team now regret that the British

:41:57. > :42:02.Government maintain the status as a legal organisation and consistently

:42:03. > :42:08.refused to prescribe them? Well, if memory serves me right, the word in

:42:09. > :42:12.1992, I think I was not in this house, I was not privy to the

:42:13. > :42:16.government, in fact in 1992I was walking around in west Belfast. The

:42:17. > :42:19.idea that I can condemn or support the ruling, all I know is that at

:42:20. > :42:26.the time, I was serving in northern Ireland, I was grateful that they

:42:27. > :42:30.were prescribed, any paramilitary organisation should be prescribed

:42:31. > :42:35.and the organisation that uses fear, terror, and bullying should have of

:42:36. > :42:39.course been not only prescribe it also boasted that take part should

:42:40. > :42:44.be convicted. To the member of South Down, we should not forget in this

:42:45. > :42:48.house that the SDLP long-standing opposition to paramilitary

:42:49. > :42:54.intimidation, very often he you bear the brunt of that intimidation and

:42:55. > :43:00.many of the party, all the parties in this house have experienced

:43:01. > :43:04.first-hand the intimidation of paramilitaries. Either within their

:43:05. > :43:06.own community that they represented or indeed the neighbouring

:43:07. > :43:12.communities that sought to keep them out. I pay tribute to that

:43:13. > :43:19.long-standing commitment to peace in the democratic process, don't forget

:43:20. > :43:22.that, I don't take it lightly at the issues of national security. On the

:43:23. > :43:26.Legacy issues as I have said earlier, we are trying our best, all

:43:27. > :43:30.of us, my right honourable friend regularly has meetings with the

:43:31. > :43:34.victims of the communities to make sure that they feel they are doing

:43:35. > :43:37.our best. We are going to get there, we are good to try and resolve it,

:43:38. > :43:43.and that will be hopefully as soon as we can all get agreement. Can I

:43:44. > :43:46.press the Minister once more on this issue, he mentioned the Legacy

:43:47. > :43:52.issues in dealing with the legacy of the past to stop after secretary of

:43:53. > :43:56.state, I want you to be clear, throughout this interesting and the

:43:57. > :43:59.debate, does the Minister recognised, when he and the

:44:00. > :44:02.secretary of State look again at releasing some of the funding for

:44:03. > :44:08.the Treasury and the government have put aside for dealing with legacy

:44:09. > :44:11.issues to fund the PSN I and the corner services to deal with some of

:44:12. > :44:16.these legacy issues which were supposed to be dealt with by other

:44:17. > :44:19.institutions because of the inability to actually come to an

:44:20. > :44:24.agreement, they have been that to deal with it but have not been given

:44:25. > :44:28.the resources to tackle it, will the Minister look again at that?

:44:29. > :44:31.Absolutely, we will support any measures that field with the Legacy,

:44:32. > :44:36.my right honourable friend said that, what we must make sure is that

:44:37. > :44:42.we cannot just release the money, we need all the actors on the stage to

:44:43. > :44:46.produce the solution. We need the victims to pour the solution, we

:44:47. > :44:50.need the PSN I to support the solution, we need the courts to

:44:51. > :44:53.support the solution, we need the executive support the solution, if

:44:54. > :44:59.he were to release money and no one else was supporting the schemes or

:45:00. > :45:02.the Koerner's for example court changes than we would not

:45:03. > :45:06.necessarily solve the issues. We will absolutely look with all

:45:07. > :45:12.seriousness and all support at any measures that come to us for solving

:45:13. > :45:15.the Legacy issues. The good news is, and anyone who has ever been in

:45:16. > :45:19.government will know is that we have caught the agreement of the Treasury

:45:20. > :45:24.for the sum and principle which is obviously have the battle, ?150

:45:25. > :45:27.million is there, I think that is meaning that the gap between getting

:45:28. > :45:29.the money and delivering it is simply a matter about getting an

:45:30. > :45:36.agreement between all the significant stakeholders in Northern

:45:37. > :45:40.Ireland. I think that is something that we are all determined to do it

:45:41. > :45:45.is one of our priorities, once this bill has passed, we are all trying

:45:46. > :45:51.to get there, and we will work with all parties to try and do it.

:45:52. > :45:57.Including matter that the Speaker... Can I think the Minister for giving

:45:58. > :46:03.way, whenever I was speaking, I referred these pics of monies

:46:04. > :46:07.between the national crime agency and the PSN I, would it be possible,

:46:08. > :46:13.Madam Deputy Speaker, for the Minister to follow that up in

:46:14. > :46:17.writing with an answer to me? , while what I can say, she reminded

:46:18. > :46:24.me of one of the points, ?28 million has been allocated for it typing

:46:25. > :46:27.paramilitary activity, how that is divided is as far as I'm

:46:28. > :46:32.understanding operational decisions, but who needs it and where should it

:46:33. > :46:37.go, but there has been a sum of ?20 million, we think that is a step in

:46:38. > :46:43.the right direction to tackling it, and if there is any more to tell I

:46:44. > :46:45.was certainly right to her, but the including I would like to remind the

:46:46. > :46:51.House that the Speaker, including I would like to remind the House of

:46:52. > :46:54.disability support it plays a significant part in our efforts to

:46:55. > :46:57.support a stable and workable devolution settlement in Northern

:46:58. > :47:02.Ireland. I therefore Madam Deputy Speaker she helped to support the

:47:03. > :47:07.bill. Hear, hear! The question is the don't be read a second time, as

:47:08. > :47:15.many as that opinion say Aye's, of the contrary No's. I think the Aye's

:47:16. > :47:19.have it. The Aye's have it. Programme motion to be moved

:47:20. > :47:24.formerly. I baked them both. The question is on the order papers, as

:47:25. > :47:28.many of that say Aye's, on the contrary No's, the Aye's have it,

:47:29. > :47:35.the Aye's have it. Resolution to be moved formerly? I. The question is

:47:36. > :47:40.as on the order papers, as many say Aye's, the contrary No's, the Aye's

:47:41. > :47:47.have it, the Aye's have it. Notion number four on road traffic. To

:47:48. > :47:52.move? Not move. Notion number five on referendums, minister to move? I

:47:53. > :47:56.beg to move. The question is as on the order papers, as many of that

:47:57. > :48:01.opinion say Aye's, on the contrary No's, I think the Aye's have it, the

:48:02. > :48:08.Aye's have it. Notion number six on estimates, minister to move? Not

:48:09. > :48:14.move. Not move. We now come to motion number seven. Relating to

:48:15. > :48:17.education committee bill. I baked them both. The question is that on

:48:18. > :48:21.the order paper, as many of that opinion say Aye's, on the contrary

:48:22. > :48:25.No's, I think the Aye's have it. We now come to motion number eight

:48:26. > :48:31.relating to doing committee on budgetary in the bail. The question

:48:32. > :48:34.is that on the order paper as many of that opinion say Aye's, on the

:48:35. > :48:42.contrary No's, I think the Aye's have it. I baked a move that this

:48:43. > :48:50.house do now adjourn. The question is that this house do now adjourn,

:48:51. > :48:58.in Blackford? Hear, hear!. Thank you matter that the Speaker, in our out

:48:59. > :49:01.of the European Union, matter G Speaker, it is right that Parliament

:49:02. > :49:06.take is its possibilities as far as security concerned, seriously. As

:49:07. > :49:12.part of this debate, we need to take course possibilities seriously for a

:49:13. > :49:17.the environment, it is worth recapping why we had emergency

:49:18. > :49:23.vessels am a Debian a response to the 1994 report following the oil

:49:24. > :49:29.spill off the coast, allowing the disaster 86,000 tonnes of oil were

:49:30. > :49:34.released into the North Sea. We got lucky to some extent that the oil

:49:35. > :49:38.was largely dispersed. In other areas and in other circumstances,

:49:39. > :49:46.such an oil spill could be devastating. The ships were put in

:49:47. > :49:52.place to protect human and marine life. Men deputy speaker, it was

:49:53. > :50:02.right in 1994, still remains right today. The desire to provide safety

:50:03. > :50:03.cannot come at the expense of a penny-pinching government walking

:50:04. > :50:09.away from Asus possibilities. Hear, hear! It is irresponsibility of this

:50:10. > :50:15.government to maintain that protection, the UK Government kept

:50:16. > :50:22.hearing is all in the Scottish referendum that we were after

:50:23. > :50:27.together. How can there be any entity in that statement that this

:50:28. > :50:36.government does not take our marine safety seriously. What price, our

:50:37. > :50:39.safety cannot be traded away on the desired to steer course unless

:50:40. > :50:46.minister. If the government, might as aunt Sadie, it compromises on its

:50:47. > :50:50.legitimacy to govern. In 2011 among the UK Government announced a

:50:51. > :50:56.movement of the vessels although there was a subsequent agreement to

:50:57. > :51:02.retain one vessel. This is now under threat of being removed next month.

:51:03. > :51:06.Sir Alan Massey, Chief Executive Officer did two weeks ago that

:51:07. > :51:17.following a formal risk assessment that their was unacceptable. This is

:51:18. > :51:22.unacceptable. It was also a accessible to remove the vessel, if

:51:23. > :51:29.there easy a risk in the that I love, there is a risk in the West.

:51:30. > :51:36.Put simply that it is too far away to respond quickly enough to any

:51:37. > :51:39.incidents of the West of Scotland. I thank my Honorable friend for

:51:40. > :51:45.securing this very important debate and he will of course be aware that

:51:46. > :51:50.is one of the five islands, we have repeatedly called on the government

:51:51. > :51:56.to address maritime safety caused by the removal of the vessel in 2010,

:51:57. > :52:02.2000 11. Would he agree that this cannot be done properly by having a

:52:03. > :52:08.single DTD based alone, and it is deeply worrying that the only

:52:09. > :52:15.existing ETD is currently under threat. The possession as we come to

:52:16. > :52:17.find ourselves in... His intervention is very long, if they

:52:18. > :52:25.could keep the intervention grief, I am sure many other members could

:52:26. > :52:32.come in. My last point would be it has been left vulnerable, does he

:52:33. > :52:36.believe your mobile of the EDV. Would be utterly unthinkable. I

:52:37. > :52:44.think him for his intervention, he is correct, we cannot comprehend the

:52:45. > :52:48.risk of the loss of the vessel, it is true as he said there is no way

:52:49. > :52:55.in reasonable time that that vessel based there could get to large parts

:52:56. > :53:00.of my constituency, we have been placed at a level of risk which is

:53:01. > :53:06.unacceptable to all of us. I have asked the Minister, does he agree

:53:07. > :53:10.with the chief executive that removal of the base vessel is

:53:11. > :53:14.unacceptable, and would he give an assurance of the House tonight that

:53:15. > :53:18.the government will find the necessary funds to make sure that

:53:19. > :53:21.that vessel remained in place. This is a very simple question, and it

:53:22. > :53:28.requires a very simple yes or no answer. Madam Deputy Speaker,

:53:29. > :53:32.throughout Europe... I will make it a bit of progress and give way.

:53:33. > :53:36.Throughout Europe, the provision of emergency vessels is commonplace,

:53:37. > :53:43.for example, in France, Germany, Norway and the Netherlands. It is

:53:44. > :53:47.good practice to protect your environment and coastal communities,

:53:48. > :53:52.we should be doing the same. The Netherlands only put in place such a

:53:53. > :53:56.capability in April 2014 to provide protection for shipping and coastal

:53:57. > :54:01.communities. When so many other countries see the sense in this,

:54:02. > :54:07.what is the UK Government not accept it possibilities? That is all we're

:54:08. > :54:13.asking. Hear, hear! There has been some chatter, but maybe the vessel

:54:14. > :54:16.might be saved. This of course would be welcomed as a threat should never

:54:17. > :54:22.have been there in the first place. It does not go far enough as the

:54:23. > :54:25.Honorable member said, we need the reinstatement of the second vessel.

:54:26. > :54:31.I say to the Minister tonight, do the right thing, deliver some good

:54:32. > :54:34.news, and put the two vessels back where they should be in the northern

:54:35. > :54:39.islands and in the western isles of our country. Hear, hear! Show us

:54:40. > :54:43.minister that the government takes our safety seriously, don't leave us

:54:44. > :54:48.exposed to the threat of an environmental disaster. I am

:54:49. > :54:53.grateful to him for giving way, would he agree with me that in terms

:54:54. > :54:56.of safety and all of the other issues you buy highlighted that the

:54:57. > :55:00.UK Government need to take into account the fact that in the coming

:55:01. > :55:04.year is over 200 movements of nuclear material will be taking

:55:05. > :55:10.place and some of them will be transported by sea. Hear, hear!

:55:11. > :55:13.Before the Honorable member continues, Kenner man members that

:55:14. > :55:17.they are speaking to the chair and at the moment people are directly

:55:18. > :55:19.addressing each other and I would be grateful if members could direct

:55:20. > :55:25.their comments to the chair, thank you. Thank you, I do agree with my

:55:26. > :55:29.Honorable friend and the point he makes. I would argue there is a

:55:30. > :55:34.wider point, what we are missing here is if we had responsibility for

:55:35. > :55:39.our marine environment in Scotland, we would make sure that we had chips

:55:40. > :55:43.in place to protect over coastal community, but moreover, this

:55:44. > :55:49.unbelievable threat we face of nuclear waste being moved by sea,

:55:50. > :55:52.down the West Coast of Scotland would certainly not be tolerated by

:55:53. > :56:01.an independent Scottish Government. Hear, hear! Let us think about the

:56:02. > :56:05.risks we face in the West and north coast of Scotland. Extreme weather,

:56:06. > :56:13.treacherous coastlines and changing title patterns throughout the year,

:56:14. > :56:17.most treacherous waters and the threat of nuclear waste has been

:56:18. > :56:22.set, the threat of nuclear waste being transmitted on the coast

:56:23. > :56:25.leaves me cold. The possibility, Madam Deputy Speaker of no emergency

:56:26. > :56:31.towing misses being leaves me horrified. But added that he

:56:32. > :56:35.Speaker, the need for such vessels was cruelly demonstrated when two

:56:36. > :56:41.days after the announcement of the withdrawal of the vessels in 2011,

:56:42. > :56:49.the ship was sent to the aid of a nuclear submarine that had run

:56:50. > :56:54.aground. We don't know if it was carrying nuclear weapons, whether it

:56:55. > :57:00.was or not it's a moot point, but a nuclear sub co-writing the Isle of

:57:01. > :57:05.Skye was quite an incident. To say that such an event could not happen

:57:06. > :57:08.again? We need the security and the emergency towing vessel. I might add

:57:09. > :57:13.that the towing vessel provide some security to us, a uses the premise

:57:14. > :57:21.all presents no security to the people of Scotland. Hear, hear! What

:57:22. > :57:27.would happen if there is another, heaven forbid? We have also learnt

:57:28. > :57:32.that the TVs are not the responsibility, and they are not a

:57:33. > :57:37.budget priority. Even so, the MC admits that there is an crease in

:57:38. > :57:41.risk of the TVs that are not available, you almost could not make

:57:42. > :57:46.this up. There is an acceptance of risk, those of us in these

:57:47. > :57:49.communities, we can take the risk, we are expendable. That is the

:57:50. > :57:55.message from this government. Why should the Minister care, while I is

:57:56. > :57:58.a local MP would care for my communities, I will fight for my

:57:59. > :58:03.communities, and I want the government to take responsibility.

:58:04. > :58:08.What is the point of the MCA if it is not a statutory responsibility,

:58:09. > :58:16.why would the Minister not make this a sedentary responsibility? At me,

:58:17. > :58:23.if I may do with the issue of such vessels in the constituency. This

:58:24. > :58:26.wanton disregard for the Marine safety takes place at the time of

:58:27. > :58:32.the MCA bus was considering an application for ship to ship

:58:33. > :58:35.transfers. Here again, the government seems to be coming up

:58:36. > :58:37.short in discharging its responsibilities to consult

:58:38. > :58:42.effectively and take seriously environmental considerations. It is

:58:43. > :58:45.environmental concerns that demonstrate the need for our Marine

:58:46. > :58:48.safety to be taken seriously and our communities need to have the comfort

:58:49. > :58:53.of knowing that emergency towing vessels aren't a part of the

:58:54. > :58:56.government's response ability. We have the situation that the Scottish

:58:57. > :59:00.Government are responsible for Marine safety yet incredible as it

:59:01. > :59:03.sounds, we are not aware as to whether or not Marine Scotland were

:59:04. > :59:08.consulted as a part of this process. The application for the ship to ship

:59:09. > :59:14.transfer data the 5th of November states the MCA confirmed the main

:59:15. > :59:16.consult these beady local government authority, Scottish Environmental

:59:17. > :59:20.Protection Agency, and Scottish national heritage with the

:59:21. > :00:24.appropriate NGOs. Mr Speaker, Madam Speaker, you will note the

:00:25. > :00:37.The Minister has an issue with cost. I am pleased to see many attending

:00:38. > :00:41.this debate, because in the previous there were a few at a debate like

:00:42. > :00:47.this. The reality is that the UK government have been fast and loose

:00:48. > :00:51.because one and 25, 150, one in a hundred year event happens. They

:00:52. > :00:55.have no insurance policy as they are playing fast and loose with the

:00:56. > :01:01.Scottish coastline that he and I represent and care about. If the UK

:01:02. > :01:08.government respected Collins and Thomas as a union of families, they

:01:09. > :01:12.would allocate responsibilities. I thank him for that fine

:01:13. > :01:16.intervention. I look forward to hearing the Minister answering it.

:01:17. > :01:19.We haven't had one yet. I may say that five of us went to see Mr last

:01:20. > :01:25.November have been waiting quite some time for this government to

:01:26. > :01:30.take its responsibilities seriously. As I was mentioning the Minister has

:01:31. > :01:35.an issue with cost. The government should be looking imaginatively at

:01:36. > :01:42.looking at ETVs multifunctional in accordance with other departments.

:01:43. > :01:51.Increased White House dues, produce, inspection dues, and other

:01:52. > :01:54.activities. Time doesn't allow for revenue stream explanation, but

:01:55. > :01:59.there are many streams for income. A matter to myself and other

:02:00. > :02:05.colleagues bustier, and Nancy stated that there is no formal vessel

:02:06. > :02:10.traffic management system in the northern West -- or West region.

:02:11. > :02:14.This is a voluntary important scheme. I find that quite remarkable

:02:15. > :02:18.in this day and age, that we don't know what ships, and what dangerous

:02:19. > :02:25.cargoes are afloat in our waters. Nonetheless, Beta as it may, the

:02:26. > :02:30.voluntary scheme showed that in the northern island, there were 81

:02:31. > :02:36.tankers, and 290 general cargo vessels over a 30 day period to the

:02:37. > :02:41.9th of November last year. For the ministries West, the respective

:02:42. > :02:44.figures were 66 tankers and 202 general cargo vessels. We're not

:02:45. > :02:50.talking about the odd cargo. My honourable friend said, whether it

:02:51. > :02:57.is a wooden 25 year, I won 50 euros, or a 100 year risk, these risks you

:02:58. > :03:03.cannot afford to take. I will come back to the scheme, because we need

:03:04. > :03:07.to know how many vessels are in our waters. These numbers suggest that

:03:08. > :03:18.my communities need protection that ETVs would offer. He then later on

:03:19. > :03:24.the 17th of November includes, for example, an incident on the 19th of

:03:25. > :03:39.March 2012 when it is shipped, went aground. As there is no ETV in the

:03:40. > :03:45.Western Islands, the vessel was rescued. On the 7th of April, 2014,

:03:46. > :03:53.ETV went to the aid of another ship off of Cape wrath. More recently,

:03:54. > :03:56.the ETV went to the scene of the granting of another ship.

:03:57. > :04:03.Interestingly, the report I have states that the location was well

:04:04. > :04:14.outside the ETV's operational area. There you have it. Even in the NCAA

:04:15. > :04:18.except themselves that it is not ideally situated in order to give

:04:19. > :04:23.succor to the constituents in our area. Let's dwell on that, and in

:04:24. > :04:26.the NCAA conceding that the distance is too great to offer security. If

:04:27. > :04:34.there is one thing that demonstrates the need to maintain ETVs serving

:04:35. > :04:39.the north end of the West, that is it. Are we to sit back and hope for

:04:40. > :04:43.the best? Or will the government meet its responsibilities and

:04:44. > :04:51.provide securities to the coastal communities? We don't know what

:04:52. > :04:57.votes are going out on the West Coast of Scotland at the moment.

:04:58. > :05:04.Looking at marine trafficker, there is an oil and chemical drinker with

:05:05. > :05:10.a tonnes. There is no insurance policy at the moment, because of the

:05:11. > :05:14.negligence of the UK government. The number makes a salient point about

:05:15. > :05:17.we don't know what's going up there. We do know, but the UK government

:05:18. > :05:23.doesn't know because they are not looking, and they are not worried

:05:24. > :05:34.because it is Scotland. When neck is not Westminster, why should they

:05:35. > :05:39.care? -- it was a general cargo vessel, could we stop and think for

:05:40. > :05:45.one minute? What happened if that was in oil vessel that had run

:05:46. > :05:49.aground? Just think of the environmental damage that could take

:05:50. > :05:55.place. Think of the threat to the tourist industry in the area. These

:05:56. > :06:00.are fragile economies that depend on tourism. We cannot accept those

:06:01. > :06:05.risks. The government has to act to protect the communities up and down

:06:06. > :06:13.to the West Coast and Miller coast of Scotland. On the 7th of May,

:06:14. > :06:21.2015, a ship rolled down and was told to lyric. This is an incident

:06:22. > :06:25.where the ETV was deployed. It was deployed on 13 occasions between

:06:26. > :06:28.November 2011 and November 20 15. That is a significant number of

:06:29. > :06:35.incidents, but we should remember that these vessels are required, as

:06:36. > :06:46.my friend said, as an insurance policy. I'm going to wind up.

:06:47. > :06:52.Incidentally, the ship crashing in Italy was in Orkney before it was

:06:53. > :06:56.deployed. Yet another warning of the need for an ETV. The cost associated

:06:57. > :07:05.with these vessels are in insurance against much more significant costs

:07:06. > :07:09.to society of an environmental disaster, for example an oil spill

:07:10. > :07:15.on the coastline. Providing such vessels is a price that we must all

:07:16. > :07:22.pay, and I ask the Minister to positively this evening. Can I

:07:23. > :07:29.congratulate the honourable gentleman on the securing this very

:07:30. > :07:33.important debate. And having the foresight to do it when the main

:07:34. > :07:37.business in the chamber collapsed early, which will allow a few others

:07:38. > :07:44.of us to contribute. I hope other honourable members will have

:07:45. > :07:49.something to say. The honourable gentleman has already explained, at

:07:50. > :07:58.some length, the importance of this island and coastal community. It was

:07:59. > :08:04.not, I think, a great surprise when we read statement that the provision

:08:05. > :08:12.of this emergency service was no longer a priority for the NCAA and

:08:13. > :08:15.emergency department. It was a short-sighted decision. The extent

:08:16. > :08:19.to which the NCAA have been culpable in relation to the management of

:08:20. > :08:27.this resource, and the point I was going to make to the honourable

:08:28. > :08:33.Desmond toward his and, wasn't that, in fact, it is not just the way that

:08:34. > :08:38.we only have one ETV operates. The way that the NCAA have operated in

:08:39. > :08:46.recent times, they have been more reluctant to test that. The

:08:47. > :08:52.gentleman made reference to a ship from a fish farming company that was

:08:53. > :08:57.owned and operated by constituents of mine. I was in contact with them

:08:58. > :09:03.and have been in correspondence about this particular incident.

:09:04. > :09:06.Essentially, that vote was linked with the life but holding off of the

:09:07. > :09:11.docs, and it was quite some time that they could be persuaded to

:09:12. > :09:20.task. That is illustrative of the attitude that the and she has

:09:21. > :09:32.towards -- NCAA has toured the emergency towing vessels. They

:09:33. > :09:39.outlined their risk assessment in February. That was one of the most

:09:40. > :09:42.concerning episodes, explanations that I have heard from any

:09:43. > :09:50.governmental department or agency in my 14 and a half years as a member

:09:51. > :09:56.of Parliament. First of all, the risk assessment has not been done

:09:57. > :10:00.with accordance with industry standards. It has not been done with

:10:01. > :10:07.people who are independent of the agency. It has been done by one

:10:08. > :10:14.person, not a panel, and an employee of the NCAA. When you heard the

:10:15. > :10:19.risks of assessment, they drill down in some detail into the question of

:10:20. > :10:27.collision. In fact, because of the volume of traffic, collision in the

:10:28. > :10:31.channels and elsewhere has never really been a problem. They have

:10:32. > :10:35.access to the risk of something that has never actually happened in the

:10:36. > :10:41.past, while ignoring the actual risks that we have seen, and

:10:42. > :10:46.encountered in everyday situations. Some of which the honourable

:10:47. > :10:55.gentleman has already touched on. They look in detail at the traffic

:10:56. > :11:09.in these channels, which consists, notably, not exclusively, of ferry

:11:10. > :11:19.traffic. Modern, well vessels. They did not even look at the traffic

:11:20. > :11:25.going into other places. The oil tankers that form the basis for the

:11:26. > :11:34.need for ETVs going into Shetland were not part of their risk

:11:35. > :11:38.assessment. It was a seriously deficient to work. Even in that

:11:39. > :11:45.piece of work, for all of its apparent deficiencies, still

:11:46. > :11:50.concluded that at the end of the day, to remove the ETV would leave

:11:51. > :11:57.the north and north western waters of skull and exposed to unacceptable

:11:58. > :12:02.levels of risks. -- Scotland. They went on to speak about the

:12:03. > :12:06.availability of alternatives. It was well apparent from the discussion

:12:07. > :12:10.that followed on the 10th of February, that in fact, the MCA does

:12:11. > :12:17.not see where these alternatives are going to come from. All of this

:12:18. > :12:24.becoming a mere seven weeks before the contract is going to end on the

:12:25. > :12:28.31st of March. This is all work which, if the NCAA were serious

:12:29. > :12:31.about discharging its responsibilities with safety, should

:12:32. > :12:38.have been done before they were prepared to offer ETVs any

:12:39. > :12:45.confidence of spending review. It wasn't done, and frankly what we are

:12:46. > :12:53.left with is a mess. It is not fault of the Minister. The fault lies with

:12:54. > :12:57.the NCAA, but it is the Minister's responsibility. I do not see how it

:12:58. > :13:03.can possibly be fixed between now and the 31st of March. They will

:13:04. > :13:07.apparently go back to Edinburgh on the 4th of March and see what the

:13:08. > :13:12.NCAA have to say at that point. Given the parameters that are

:13:13. > :13:17.outlined on the 10th of February, I don't see what new can possibly be

:13:18. > :13:24.done. I ask of the Minister tonight, my asked is that if you can offer us

:13:25. > :13:28.nothing else, can he offer us this: a little bit more breathing space,

:13:29. > :13:34.so that the work that should have been done thus far it can be done.

:13:35. > :13:39.It would be criminally irresponsible for the government to allow that

:13:40. > :13:46.contract to lapse on the 31st of March, and for there to be no

:13:47. > :13:53.coverage thereafter. This is a matter, Madam Deputy Speaker, where

:13:54. > :13:58.the concerns have come not just from the industries, but also from the

:13:59. > :14:02.local authorities. I would hope that if the Minister is prepared to offer

:14:03. > :14:10.us a bit more time, he might agree to meet with me, other parliamentary

:14:11. > :14:15.colleagues, and with local authorities who did actually make

:14:16. > :14:18.that request of the NCAA on the 10th of February. Perhaps when he comes

:14:19. > :14:28.this evening, the Minister will tell us whether he is prepared to do

:14:29. > :14:33.that. Even better, would he be able to call that meeting in the north of

:14:34. > :14:37.Scotland or the aisles. This would give us breathing space to look at

:14:38. > :14:42.the way that this contract has been operated in the past. It is

:14:43. > :14:47.expensive, we know, but it is an expensive contract that is worth

:14:48. > :14:53.paying. There is an opportunity at the moment, because of the volume of

:14:54. > :15:00.work that is going to the togs that have the capacity that would be

:15:01. > :15:06.required to do this work, to get a good deal for the government and

:15:07. > :15:12.taxpayer. One of the two but he meeting at the 10th of February was

:15:13. > :15:22.the chair of the tuggs operating Association. He said that he could

:15:23. > :15:27.secure a contract that run for five, ten, 15 years. It would also give

:15:28. > :15:30.us, within island and coastal communities, the knowledge that we

:15:31. > :15:36.have a provision going forward, and we wouldn't just be living from

:15:37. > :15:43.cover into spending review to Comprehensive Spending Review.

:15:44. > :15:56.Another honourable member reminded us of the genesis of the tuggs and

:15:57. > :16:01.other report. In 1992I was still dealing with the long-tail of cases

:16:02. > :16:14.coming out of that when I was first elected year, nine years later, in

:16:15. > :16:18.2001. It is now a -- it is not an exaggeration that lives were changed

:16:19. > :16:23.forever that the ship ran aground. We talk about the impact on the

:16:24. > :16:29.industries, about the economic, environmental impact, they are

:16:30. > :16:33.absolutely true. The human impact of something like that happening is

:16:34. > :16:39.absolutely phenomenal, and they just don't know how you could put a price

:16:40. > :16:43.on that. I have seen what happens if you don't take it seriously, and you

:16:44. > :16:52.allow it to happen again. That is what happened in the northwest

:16:53. > :16:57.corner of Spain. The prestige rank aground there, the second major oil

:16:58. > :17:03.spill in that area in ten years. I remember the scene that as a newly

:17:04. > :17:08.elected MP and being absolutely horrified by what I saw in terms of

:17:09. > :17:13.the posttraumatic effects on these communities which had been blighted,

:17:14. > :17:18.at that time not just once, but twice. The communities we are

:17:19. > :17:22.talking about here, because of their location and their geography, their

:17:23. > :17:27.history and background, are some of the most precious and fragile that

:17:28. > :17:33.we have within our country. That is why it would be, as the honourable

:17:34. > :17:36.member has already said, unacceptable to leave them exposed

:17:37. > :17:46.to for their risk anyway it is currently proposed. Thank you very

:17:47. > :17:52.much indeed, Madam Deputy Speaker. Could I congratulate the honourable

:17:53. > :17:56.member for securing the debate this evening on the subject of ETVs.

:17:57. > :17:59.Could I suggest only the Department for transport could come up with a

:18:00. > :18:07.three letter acronym for a three letter word tugg. I share his

:18:08. > :18:16.passion for protecting the status coast. It was said that I didn't

:18:17. > :18:21.care about Scotland. Gandhi is every much a part of my country as your

:18:22. > :18:24.church or any other part. I care about the environment of Scotland,

:18:25. > :18:39.and the welfare of Seaman on that part of our seas. I and the given

:18:40. > :18:45.concerned, will see his concern manifested not only in the retention

:18:46. > :18:51.of the ETV togs in the northern isles, but the return of those in

:18:52. > :18:55.other places? Let me develop my argument, and I will come to that

:18:56. > :18:59.particular point. Scotland is not only a stunning landscape, but a

:19:00. > :19:03.home of important industries like agriculture, and fishing, which are

:19:04. > :19:09.economically important to Scotland and the whole of the UK. Protecting

:19:10. > :19:14.the environment and safety at sea are our top priorities, and a point

:19:15. > :19:20.was raised during the honourable member's comments about the oil

:19:21. > :19:25.transfer license. Could I point out that Marine Scotland were directly

:19:26. > :19:30.consulted on the 10th of December, and on the 8th of February when the

:19:31. > :19:33.consultation ended they were not responsive. They said they were not

:19:34. > :19:38.intending to respond. I hope that clarifies that particular point.

:19:39. > :19:40.Shipping has a good safety record, but we must guard against

:19:41. > :19:53.complacency, because incidents do happen. The latest tragedy to befall

:19:54. > :19:59.the Scottish coast, the oil was disbursed we were lucky. But I

:20:00. > :20:10.visited the area as a member of the European prominent environmental

:20:11. > :20:14.community, committee. It was heart breaking to see the sea birds that

:20:15. > :20:20.were affected by that particular oil. That is now 23 years ago. It is

:20:21. > :20:24.to the credit of the shipping industry and the skills of its

:20:25. > :20:29.seafarers that we have not had an incident of the same scale and the

:20:30. > :20:34.last 23 years. As we have heard the Gaylord Donelson conducted a

:20:35. > :20:43.extensive review of incidents. His report called save ships, cleaning

:20:44. > :20:46.seas, was published in 1994. It is easy to select quotes from his

:20:47. > :20:58.excellent report. He recommended a system to ensure togs with adequate

:20:59. > :21:04.-- tugg togs with -- they should remain at her for service. That is

:21:05. > :21:12.what happened on the coast with the exception of Scotland. The industry

:21:13. > :21:16.paid directly for college. The Lord Donaldson was equally clear that

:21:17. > :21:22.prevention should be met with potential polluters rather than the

:21:23. > :21:30.Government or the public. At as well and good, but if there are tugg

:21:31. > :21:34.boats available to do that work. But if there are no tugg boats to do

:21:35. > :21:41.that work, a responsible government would make sure that that capacity

:21:42. > :21:44.is there where the market and public sector is failing. That is happening

:21:45. > :21:49.on the West Coast of Scotland, and that is why this debate be been had,

:21:50. > :21:54.because of that there and the lack of the boats. If you would relax a

:21:55. > :21:59.little, I will come to the point I am making in this debate. Perhaps,

:22:00. > :22:06.he might find he might need not be as irate as he is. I share his

:22:07. > :22:12.concerns. Of course, the world has moved on in the 20 or so years he

:22:13. > :22:17.has made his report. Shipping safety has moved on to. We have seen

:22:18. > :22:23.introduction of new maritime safety systems, electronic charts, bridge

:22:24. > :22:31.watching systems, integrated Bridge navigation systems, automatic

:22:32. > :22:38.identification systems. Training for seafarers, improved engine systems,

:22:39. > :22:46.and international maritime codes. All of these add to the tools of

:22:47. > :22:52.safer navigation process. I am grateful for him for giving away. I

:22:53. > :22:59.agree with the points of his points of improvement. Some of the boats

:23:00. > :23:04.that ran aground... That is the point. Even with the improvements,

:23:05. > :23:08.there is still a risk to our communities from something like this

:23:09. > :23:12.happening, from the unexpected happening, from an oil tanker

:23:13. > :23:16.running aground, and it is how we get protection even with those

:23:17. > :23:20.improvements and in the shipping industry. That is absolutely valid,

:23:21. > :23:23.and I am talking about some of the other vessels around the coast which

:23:24. > :23:29.would have been able to remove because of his other factors. There

:23:30. > :23:33.is improved monitoring from the shore above from the Coast Guard and

:23:34. > :23:38.Port Authority. That is why we felt it was right in 2011 to take the

:23:39. > :23:46.decision to withdraw government funding tuggs in certain areas.

:23:47. > :23:51.Indeed, the savings there were substantial. Withdrawing the ETVs

:23:52. > :23:57.elsewhere saved the public purse approximately 32.5 million over the

:23:58. > :24:01.last spending review period. Indeed, the ETV based in Orkney was funded

:24:02. > :24:10.until the 31st of March at the cost of two to ?3 million per year. The

:24:11. > :24:14.availability of commercial tugg operations in those areas persuaded

:24:15. > :24:17.us it was no longer appropriate for the UK taxpayer to fund the

:24:18. > :24:22.provision. That decision has been borne out by the fact that

:24:23. > :24:25.commercial towers have been providing assistance where

:24:26. > :24:29.necessary. We recognise the picture is different around the Scottish

:24:30. > :24:36.coast with a lack of larger togs. One government tugg has been

:24:37. > :24:42.retained their up operating both in the north and West. The position was

:24:43. > :24:48.carefully considered, and based on the density of the shipping based in

:24:49. > :24:52.the North and West Isle region, and the availability of shelter and

:24:53. > :25:00.implement weather, and the ready availability of effective logistics

:25:01. > :25:05.support. Tanker vessels that carry the greatest weight, and predicated

:25:06. > :25:12.availability in and around the islands. That costs two to ?3

:25:13. > :25:17.million honestly. Since the retention in 2011, the towing vessel

:25:18. > :25:21.Heracles has been used to tell only four times. The toner has been asked

:25:22. > :25:26.to stand by on other occasions purely as a precautionary measure.

:25:27. > :25:30.At no time has any ship needed a commercial tow failed to secure one,

:25:31. > :25:35.nor has there been any occurrence of pollution with the ring environment

:25:36. > :25:40.because of our effective towing service. It is therefore right to

:25:41. > :25:44.consider whether it is appropriate for the UK taxpayer to fund this

:25:45. > :25:45.provision. We have not included the provision and our current spending

:25:46. > :25:56.plans. . Am grateful for the Minister to give

:25:57. > :26:00.way and he is... The argument he is making akin to the argument saying

:26:01. > :26:04.that my house was built in 1906 and it has not had a fire sense

:26:05. > :26:08.therefore I do not need fire insurance for the House. The reality

:26:09. > :26:17.is that the point that is made by the debate that the honourable

:26:18. > :26:24.gentleman is asking is that we have it in place. I think that is what

:26:25. > :26:28.the UK government are found short and very wanting. The honourable

:26:29. > :26:33.gentleman quite correctly raises the issue of risk and the right

:26:34. > :26:37.honourable gentleman talked about the MCE eight looking at all

:26:38. > :26:42.potential risks and risk assessment from the MCA was that all factors,

:26:43. > :26:49.including collision risk and traffic volumes and whether, including very

:26:50. > :27:02.severe weather which can a fact that part of the world. -- affect. The

:27:03. > :27:04.NCAA will be carrying out further refinement of the risk assessment

:27:05. > :27:09.and light of stakeholder discussions. By all means. And

:27:10. > :27:12.listening very carefully and I am grateful for the honourable

:27:13. > :27:27.gentleman to be very considerate with this time. Identifying a risk

:27:28. > :27:30.of the Braer being reviewed, the vessel cannot provide that degree of

:27:31. > :27:37.protection and a timely manner in the Wesco. We need to retain in

:27:38. > :27:42.order to give security to our communities, we need the vessel

:27:43. > :27:47.there but we desperately need the vessel and the Wesco. What is the

:27:48. > :27:53.Minister going to say if we end up with an incident, have been for bed

:27:54. > :27:56.in the future, and we could've had a Braer to give us a degree of

:27:57. > :28:04.protection because that is what we are asking the government tonight. I

:28:05. > :28:15.thank the honourable gentleman. We made a point that the vessel we have

:28:16. > :28:18.where it is... This does not mean we made a final decision over whether

:28:19. > :28:23.it should continue or not, we have not made that final decision and we

:28:24. > :28:27.as the maritime and the Coast Guard agency to speak to all interested

:28:28. > :28:36.parties on two things. Firstly, this shared view of pollution coast of

:28:37. > :28:43.Scotland. I beg to knew that this House do now adjourn. Thank you very

:28:44. > :28:47.much indeed Madam Deputy Speaker. Firstly what is the shared view of

:28:48. > :28:51.pollution off the coast of Scotland and how attention to thousand 11.

:28:52. > :28:57.And secondly what alternative arrangements are available to have a

:28:58. > :29:09.tow capability but back to reduce the board the Mac the burden on the

:29:10. > :29:12.UK tax favour. -- payer. Demonstrating the priority the

:29:13. > :29:16.government gives to this matter. I was delighted to hear that the level

:29:17. > :29:20.of engagement from stakeholders and interested parties was both positive

:29:21. > :29:23.and constructive. And terms of refining the risk assessment, there

:29:24. > :29:27.are of course many factors to take into account, including the density

:29:28. > :29:32.of shipping, variety of cargoes, size of today's ships, the scenarios

:29:33. > :29:36.in which ships may get into difficulty and available tugs

:29:37. > :29:43.salvation solution. The officials gathered a great deal of additional

:29:44. > :29:45.information out of their understanding of the current risk.

:29:46. > :29:49.The overall risk picture is similar to how it looked in 2011, when the

:29:50. > :30:00.decision to retain one government-funded tub happy by all

:30:01. > :30:04.means. Madam Deputy Speaker, so many occasions I've heard this government

:30:05. > :30:08.talking about risk and it strikes me that they are being very badly

:30:09. > :30:12.briefed because they do not seem to understand what risk means. At its

:30:13. > :30:15.very simplest, there are two components that are being

:30:16. > :30:24.misunderstood here. What is the probability of event occur in a --

:30:25. > :30:28.occurring? It could be in once every 150 years, it could be next week,

:30:29. > :30:33.and the second point is that you have to take account of what is the

:30:34. > :30:38.nature of that negative outcome? What is the chance of the negative

:30:39. > :30:41.outcome? I doubt very many people have argued it and the nature of

:30:42. > :30:47.shipping today, the types of cargo that is being moved, such as waste,

:30:48. > :30:50.the catastrophic nature of that negative outcome is greater today

:30:51. > :30:56.than it would have been 20 or 30 years ago. If you could keep it a

:30:57. > :31:01.bit shorter, we would all be very great. He cut I reassure the

:31:02. > :31:06.honourable member that this government is acutely aware of the

:31:07. > :31:13.risk and potential that could be caused by the and the response

:31:14. > :31:17.correctly put in place. The meeting on the 10th of February also started

:31:18. > :31:22.to explore whether there might be alternative ways... And another

:31:23. > :31:27.meeting with stakeholders was scheduled on the 9th of March. We

:31:28. > :31:30.might find that a longer-term solution does not rest on one

:31:31. > :31:35.particular approach but the combination of option. And I want to

:31:36. > :31:38.give the MCA time and space to work through all reasonable options with

:31:39. > :31:44.stakeholders to find a longer-term solution. That considered thought

:31:45. > :31:49.and development of expert advice cannot be achieved by a current

:31:50. > :31:53.funding ends on the 31st of March. I therefore announced that I have

:31:54. > :31:54.instructed the MCA to make immediate arrangements to extend the provision

:31:55. > :32:00.of a government-funded Braer to of a government-funded Braer to

:32:01. > :32:06.mirror the current arrangement until the 30th of September this year. And

:32:07. > :32:11.I am grateful to my right honourable friend for making this case in such

:32:12. > :32:18.a positive way. The MCA and my department will find to understand

:32:19. > :32:22.across these budgets and this is not an additional expenditure. I am

:32:23. > :32:26.grateful to the Minister and I think he is to be congratulated on this

:32:27. > :32:30.announcement because it is in fact clearly not the end of the story but

:32:31. > :32:33.it is a significant act of good faith and they very much thank him

:32:34. > :32:37.for taking this step this evening. Will he take the message from this

:32:38. > :32:41.house that came from that stakeholder engagement on the 10th

:32:42. > :32:46.of February and to see that this work has really got to be done again

:32:47. > :32:50.and it has to be done properly. The standard and the content of that

:32:51. > :32:54.risk assessment is not good enough, and he is now given us the time,

:32:55. > :33:00.will that time you used properly to do the work properly? Certainly I

:33:01. > :33:03.are ready made the point that the level of risk has not changed

:33:04. > :33:07.substantially since previous assessments have been made but I do

:33:08. > :33:10.think we need to explore other ways in which that risk may be addressed

:33:11. > :33:15.and the point was made about the availability of tugs because of the

:33:16. > :33:18.demise of the North Sea oil industry and other areas where we may be able

:33:19. > :33:23.to come up with something were cost effective. Thank you very much and I

:33:24. > :33:28.am grateful to the Minister for giving way. We welcome the

:33:29. > :33:30.announcement that the government has made this evening, that was the

:33:31. > :33:37.right thing to do. I would say to the Minister to explain to this

:33:38. > :33:42.situation as to what happened. Braer cannot make it in a reasonable

:33:43. > :33:46.amount of time. And light of the decision he has made this evening,

:33:47. > :33:50.and in light of risk assessment that much take place, will you revisit

:33:51. > :33:58.the need and desire for a second vessel to cover the West Coast based

:33:59. > :34:04.on the realistic understanding of risk as been outlined by myself and

:34:05. > :34:09.others because we cannot except that our communities should be left at

:34:10. > :34:14.risk. This is a small price to pay. We need that insurance policies.

:34:15. > :34:18.Please, I am grateful that the vessel has been kept on for the next

:34:19. > :34:22.six months, but let's make sure that we get a solution that protects all

:34:23. > :34:26.of our communities and that means the re-establishment of a two vessel

:34:27. > :34:30.solution to the north and West of Scotland. I certainly hear what he

:34:31. > :34:38.is saying and indeed the provision of the ETV and the times to get to

:34:39. > :34:42.locations is something we need to address. But I urge all those who

:34:43. > :34:47.have an interest to seize the opportunity that this extra time

:34:48. > :34:51.brings with the MCA to make a longer-term strategy to meet this

:34:52. > :34:57.need. I hope Honorable members in this house will give encouragement

:34:58. > :35:01.to that. As response to questions, this government recognises the

:35:02. > :35:02.importance of ensuring shipping activities off the coast of Scotland

:35:03. > :35:09.remain safe. I am grateful to the remain safe. I am grateful to the

:35:10. > :35:15.government's U-turn even though it is for only six months. We

:35:16. > :35:21.concentrated a lot here on the back of pollution. But only a month ago,

:35:22. > :35:28.two months ago, in fact, and Panama a cruise ship ran aground on the

:35:29. > :35:33.there are a lot of lives and peril there are a lot of lives and peril

:35:34. > :35:37.in that situation. Luckily the climate was better but if it happens

:35:38. > :35:42.on the West Coast of Scotland, it has increased traffic, weather the

:35:43. > :35:51.tug boats were the security to make sure that that would not turn into

:35:52. > :35:56.human catastrophe. We are... While the government is making the U-turn,

:35:57. > :36:01.I hope they look further south as well. I have already made it very

:36:02. > :36:04.clear that the two major consideration in terms of the marine

:36:05. > :36:10.environment, particularly from vessels carrying well, but also from

:36:11. > :36:14.the potential loss of life from vessels which cannot get assistance

:36:15. > :36:20.at a timely way. I will make a final decision over whether it is right

:36:21. > :36:25.for the UK tax player to continue in light of the MCA's advice by the end

:36:26. > :36:29.of September. I look forward to colleagues giving evidence and their

:36:30. > :36:33.views in terms of that consideration. I will of course be

:36:34. > :36:37.consulting Scottish ministers on those options before a final

:36:38. > :36:41.decision is made. As I have said previously I am happy to meet with

:36:42. > :36:47.idling councils and I look forward to travelling north now that it is

:36:48. > :36:53.getting more daylight but there to visit some of these locations to

:36:54. > :36:57.hear first-hand from people on the ground of their concern. The

:36:58. > :37:02.question is that this House do now adjourn. As many of that opinion say

:37:03. > :37:11.I've. The eyes have it. Order, order!