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:00:00. > :00:00.that I have. Thank you to the Prime Minister and

:00:00. > :00:11.to all colleagues to take part in these exchanges. Statement, the

:00:12. > :00:20.Secretary of State for Health. Secretary Jeremy Hunt.

:00:21. > :00:29.Thank you. In May, the Government and NHS employers reached an

:00:30. > :00:32.historic agreement with the British Medical Association on a new

:00:33. > :00:35.contract for junior doctors after more than three years of

:00:36. > :00:39.negotiations and several days of damaging strike action. That

:00:40. > :00:46.agreement was strongly endorsed as a good deal for junior doctors by the

:00:47. > :00:49.leader of the BMA's junior doctor committee and was supported publicly

:00:50. > :00:56.by the vast majority of medical Royal colleges. However, yesterday,

:00:57. > :01:01.it was rejected in a ratification ballot. 58% voted against the

:01:02. > :01:05.contract which means on the basis of a 68% turnout around one third of

:01:06. > :01:11.serving junior doctors actively voted against the agreement. It is

:01:12. > :01:13.worth outlining key elements of the agreement that was voted on. It does

:01:14. > :01:18.indeed help the Government to deliver on its seven-day NHS

:01:19. > :01:24.manifesto commitment. But it also does much more. It reduces the

:01:25. > :01:28.maximum hours junior doctors can be asked to work. It introduces a new

:01:29. > :01:33.post for every trust to make sure the hours at a junior doctors are

:01:34. > :01:38.safe. It makes most remote child and family friendly and helps women who

:01:39. > :01:42.take maternity off to catch up with their peers. The President of the

:01:43. > :01:45.Royal College of physicians who opposed our previous proposal stated

:01:46. > :01:50.publicly, if I were a trainee doctor now I would vote yes in the

:01:51. > :01:56.referendum. Unfortunately, because of the vote, we are now left in a no

:01:57. > :02:00.man's land which if it continues can only damage the NHS. An elected

:02:01. > :02:04.government, whose main aim is to improve the safety and quality of

:02:05. > :02:08.care for patients, has come up against a union which has stirred up

:02:09. > :02:14.anger amongst its own members. It is now unable to pacify. I was not a

:02:15. > :02:20.fan of the tactics used by the BMA, but to its credit their leader did,

:02:21. > :02:25.in the end, negotiate a deal and work hard to get support for it. Now

:02:26. > :02:29.he has resigned, it is not clear that there is anyone able to deliver

:02:30. > :02:36.the support of BMA members for any negotiated settlement. Protracted

:02:37. > :02:39.uncertainty at precisely the time we grappled with enormous consequences

:02:40. > :02:43.of leaving the EU can only be damaging for those working in the

:02:44. > :02:49.NHS and on the patients who depend on it. Last night, the President of

:02:50. > :02:53.the Academy of the medical Royal colleges, said that the NHS and

:02:54. > :03:00.junior doctors needed to move on from this dispute.

:03:01. > :03:05.It should be implemented in a phase the way that allowed time to learn

:03:06. > :03:10.from teething problems. After listening to this advice and further

:03:11. > :03:15.careful considerations of the impact of the new contractor have this

:03:16. > :03:18.morning decided the only realistic way to end this impasse is to

:03:19. > :03:22.proceed with a phased introduction of the exact contract that was

:03:23. > :03:30.negotiated, agreed and supported by the BMA leadership. It will be

:03:31. > :03:33.introduced from October this year and then in November and December

:03:34. > :03:38.for foundation year one doctors taking up new posts and foundation

:03:39. > :03:46.year to doctors and the same waters as their current contract expires.

:03:47. > :03:51.Paediatrics and society and psychology -- psychiatry will

:03:52. > :03:57.proceed between February and April next year was remaining Chinese buy

:03:58. > :04:01.2/2000 17. This is a difficult decision to make. Many people will

:04:02. > :04:05.call for me to return to negotiations with the BMA and to

:04:06. > :04:11.them I would like to see this. We have been talking are trying to talk

:04:12. > :04:15.for well over three years. There is no consensus around a new contract.

:04:16. > :04:20.After yesterday's vote it is not clear that any further discussions

:04:21. > :04:24.could create one. However I do believe the agreement negotiated in

:04:25. > :04:28.May is better for junior doctors and better for the NHS than the original

:04:29. > :04:33.contract we planned to introduce in March. So rather than try to wind

:04:34. > :04:37.the clock back to the March contract we will not change any of the new

:04:38. > :04:42.terms agreed with the BMA. It is also important to note that even

:04:43. > :04:47.though we are proceeding without consensus this decision is not a

:04:48. > :04:50.rejection of the legitimate concerns of many junior doctors about their

:04:51. > :04:55.working conditions. Junior doctors are some of the hardest working

:04:56. > :05:00.staff in the NHS working some of the longest and most unsocial hours

:05:01. > :05:05.including many weekends. They have many concerns, for example about

:05:06. > :05:08.water gaps and rostering practices. In the May agreement NHS employers

:05:09. > :05:15.agreed to work with the BMA to monitor the invitation of the

:05:16. > :05:19.contract. -- implementation. Last month at the annual conference I set

:05:20. > :05:25.out my expectation that all hospitals should invest in modern

:05:26. > :05:30.rostering sisters Belinda Lexi is part of their first improve the way

:05:31. > :05:34.they deploy staff. I hope the BMA will continue to participate in

:05:35. > :05:37.discussions around all these areas. Norris is the session and rejection

:05:38. > :05:44.the particular concerns of foundation year doctors who often

:05:45. > :05:48.feel most disconnected in that period of training before they have

:05:49. > :05:53.chosen a specialty. Again we will continue to make progress in

:05:54. > :05:57.addressing these concerns and the leadership of health education

:05:58. > :06:01.England and will continue to invite the BMA to attend those meetings. We

:06:02. > :06:05.will also continue with a separate process to look at how we can help

:06:06. > :06:09.the working lives of junior doctors more broadly led by the Minister for

:06:10. > :06:12.care quality and are very much of the BMA will continue to participate

:06:13. > :06:18.in that process as well. Nor will we let up in efforts to limit the

:06:19. > :06:22.gender pay cap so today I will announce I shall commission and

:06:23. > :06:26.report on how to reduce and eliminate that gap in the medical

:06:27. > :06:29.profession and I will announce shortly who will be leading that

:06:30. > :06:36.important piece of work which I will tell initial considerations from in

:06:37. > :06:42.September. This is not a decision to stop any further docks and I welcome

:06:43. > :06:47.Doctor Eleanor McCourt to her position as leader of the junior

:06:48. > :06:53.doctors committee and had constructive conversations with

:06:54. > :06:59.them. We need to proceed with the new contract tailor-made uncertainty

:07:00. > :07:12.might ornamental to hire whoever takes over in September. -- my door

:07:13. > :07:16.remains open to whoever takes over. To me personally and to everyone in

:07:17. > :07:21.the size as to many others this is a matter of profound regret that time

:07:22. > :07:25.of so many other challenges the BMA were unable to secure majority

:07:26. > :07:30.support for the deal the agreed with the government and NHS employers.

:07:31. > :07:33.But we are aware are. And I believe the course of action outlined at

:07:34. > :07:38.this statement is the best way to help the NHS move on from this

:07:39. > :07:43.long-running contractual dispute and focus our efforts on providing the

:07:44. > :07:53.safest and highest quality care for patients and I commend the statement

:07:54. > :07:58.to the House. The NHS is only as strong as the morale of its staff.

:07:59. > :08:05.And the rejection of this contract by the junior doctors sadly reveals

:08:06. > :08:10.that morale and trust in the government is at rock bottom.

:08:11. > :08:16.Yesterday to mark the 60th anniversary of the NHS have visited

:08:17. > :08:19.my local hospital and met some of the wonderful nurses and one of the

:08:20. > :08:26.main concerns was the abolition of the bursary. They were also

:08:27. > :08:30.generally worried that NHS staff are no longer valued. The Secretary of

:08:31. > :08:36.State must accept that his handling of the junior doctor dispute has

:08:37. > :08:40.exacerbated this feeling amongst all NHS staff and I have sat in this

:08:41. > :08:43.chamber and have the Secretary of State say that junior doctors are

:08:44. > :08:46.not read the new contract and don't understand the new contract have

:08:47. > :08:52.been bamboozled by the leadership. But now that junior doctors have

:08:53. > :08:56.rejected a renegotiated contract as recommended by the leadership the

:08:57. > :09:00.Secretary of State must begin to understand that his handling of this

:09:01. > :09:07.dispute has contributed to this impasse and should be no suggestion

:09:08. > :09:11.that the junior doctors decision is somehow illegitimate. The turnout on

:09:12. > :09:15.this ballot was higher than in the general election in 2015. I welcome

:09:16. > :09:22.the fact that the jet Secretary of State will not let up on eliminating

:09:23. > :09:25.the gender pay gap and will commission and a pen reporting had

:09:26. > :09:30.religious and eliminate that pay gap as well as looking at the issue of

:09:31. > :09:33.shared parental leave. That was a very important concern amongst

:09:34. > :09:39.Doctor. I also welcome the fact that the imposition of the contract will

:09:40. > :09:44.be faced. But at this time of general instability I would urge the

:09:45. > :09:50.government to reconsider imposing this contract at all. It is not help

:09:51. > :09:54.for the government to treat the junior doctors like the enemy within

:09:55. > :09:59.and it is not help the morale to imply that at one time the only

:10:00. > :10:03.barrier to our seven-day NHS is their reluctance to work weekends

:10:04. > :10:06.when so many of them are already working unsocial hours and

:10:07. > :10:09.sacrificing family life in the process. I am glad that the

:10:10. > :10:13.Secretary of State acknowledges today that junior doctors are some

:10:14. > :10:17.of the hardest working staff in the NHS, working some of the longest and

:10:18. > :10:23.most unsocial hours including many weekends. But the road to reject the

:10:24. > :10:30.latest contract is a rejection of the governments past approach. The

:10:31. > :10:32.Secretary of State will no that the BMA remain opposed to the imposition

:10:33. > :10:37.of any contract and that they believe that imposing a contract is

:10:38. > :10:39.not been agreed as inherently unfair and is an indictment of the

:10:40. > :10:44.Secretary of State 's handling of the situation. The junior doctors

:10:45. > :10:48.committee meeting today to decide how they will take matters forward.

:10:49. > :10:54.On the side of the House will forward to hearing the of that

:10:55. > :10:59.meeting and how we can best continue to support them. Public opinion is

:11:00. > :11:02.not on the government side. It is evident that the public what have

:11:03. > :11:08.faith in its doctors long after they have lost faith in this are any

:11:09. > :11:13.other government. It is not too late to change course. The government

:11:14. > :11:17.needs to urgently address the recruitment and retention crisis and

:11:18. > :11:22.scrap this contract and although I appreciate that it has been in

:11:23. > :11:29.negotiation for many years the government should give talk with the

:11:30. > :11:33.junior doctors one more chance. If you crush the morale of NHS staff

:11:34. > :11:44.you crush the efficacy of the NHS itself. The Secretary of State. Can

:11:45. > :11:50.I welcome her to her place for this first statement that she has

:11:51. > :11:53.responded to. On the whole welcome and measured tone with one or two

:11:54. > :11:58.exceptions but let me directly address the point she made. First of

:11:59. > :12:02.all, she maintained, and indeed her predecessor who is in her place this

:12:03. > :12:05.afternoon also maintained that somehow it was the governments

:12:06. > :12:10.handling of this dispute that to blame. I think this was a narrative

:12:11. > :12:14.that we have a lot in the last year. With the greatest of respect to her,

:12:15. > :12:18.and I do understand that she is new to the post, it is analysis of that

:12:19. > :12:24.has been comprehensively disproved ties the late messages that we now

:12:25. > :12:27.know what it's changed between members of the junior doctors

:12:28. > :12:33.committee earlier on this year at precisely the time when the official

:12:34. > :12:36.opposition was saying that the government was being intransigent we

:12:37. > :12:42.now know that the BMA had no interest in doing a deal in February

:12:43. > :12:46.at ACAS talks and in their own words they were simply playing the

:12:47. > :12:49.political game of looking reasonable, that is their words are

:12:50. > :12:53.not ours. We also know that they wanted to provoke the government and

:12:54. > :12:57.to imposing a contract as part of a plan to type the Department of

:12:58. > :13:00.Health in knots for months and contrast the public claims that the

:13:01. > :13:04.dispute was about patient safety window in their own words the only

:13:05. > :13:08.real bread line was paid and I think that the benefit of that knowledge

:13:09. > :13:12.she should be very careful about maintaining that somehow it is a

:13:13. > :13:16.government that has not wanted to find a solution. We have had over 70

:13:17. > :13:20.meetings in the last year and we have been trying to get a solution

:13:21. > :13:26.for over four years. Then the question comes as to whether we

:13:27. > :13:29.should negotiate or proceed with the introduction of new contracts. Let

:13:30. > :13:34.me say to her very plainly indirectly that I believed

:13:35. > :13:37.negotiations would work that is exactly what I would do. The reason

:13:38. > :13:42.that I do not think they will work is that because it has become clear

:13:43. > :13:46.that many of the issues that are upsetting junior doctors are in fact

:13:47. > :13:51.nothing to do with the contract. Let me give your court that was put this

:13:52. > :13:58.morning by one of the junior doctors leaders, a very fierce opponent of

:13:59. > :14:02.the government, and she said, I'm no apologist for the government but I

:14:03. > :14:06.do believe that many of the issues that are exercising junior doctors

:14:07. > :14:10.are extracontractual and this contract was never intended to solve

:14:11. > :14:14.every complaint and unhappiness and I'm not sure any single agreement

:14:15. > :14:17.would have achieved universal accord with the junior doctor body. I think

:14:18. > :14:21.we have to recognise that in the situation with a biggest opponents

:14:22. > :14:24.of the government, and away the biggest firebrands in the BMA

:14:25. > :14:29.support of the steel and were telling the raw members this was a

:14:30. > :14:33.good deal, this got rid of some of the unfairness is in the current

:14:34. > :14:35.contract, was better for women, all sorts of things, if the junior

:14:36. > :14:40.doctors were not prepared to believe even them, that is really no

:14:41. > :14:44.situation going forward for a rare going to be able to achieve a

:14:45. > :14:51.consensus and I would also say to her, that if she wants to stand up

:14:52. > :14:54.and say we should scrap this contract she is saying that we

:14:55. > :14:59.should not proceed with a deal that reduces the maximum hours of junior

:15:00. > :15:03.doctors can be asked to work and introduces safeguards to make sure

:15:04. > :15:06.that blustering is safe that boosts opportunities for women and disabled

:15:07. > :15:10.woman and doctors with caring responsibilities, at the other was

:15:11. > :15:14.supported by nearly every single royal college, and of the

:15:15. > :15:17.alternative from Labour is to do nothing then we will pass on the

:15:18. > :15:21.opportunity to make real improvements would make a real

:15:22. > :15:26.difference to the working lives of junior doctors. Finally, I would say

:15:27. > :15:30.to that in the end both her and I have some of the more challenging

:15:31. > :15:33.jobs, if I can put it that way, that you can in this chamber. She has

:15:34. > :15:39.been the size for much longer than I have says she will know that there

:15:40. > :15:42.just say that the litmus test in all these difficult decisions that we

:15:43. > :15:47.face is whether or not you do the right thing for patients and indeed

:15:48. > :15:51.for our owner of vulnerable constituents who desperately need a

:15:52. > :15:56.seven-day service and that is what this dormant as determined to make

:15:57. > :16:02.sure happens. I welcome today's statement and would like to thank

:16:03. > :16:04.the Secretary of State for dealing with many of the extracontractual

:16:05. > :16:07.issues which are blighted the lives of junior doctors and I join him in

:16:08. > :16:13.regretting the outcome of the ballot. Like the Secretary of State

:16:14. > :16:18.I welcome Doctor McCourt to have post another Secretary of State will

:16:19. > :16:23.work constructively as he set out in order to try to resolve their

:16:24. > :16:29.standing issues. In moving forward in a car full measured way with the

:16:30. > :16:33.imposition of the contract could he set out if there are any issues

:16:34. > :16:38.around patient safety that should arise due process of reduction that

:16:39. > :16:44.he will deal with them. Thank you and I would like to thank you for

:16:45. > :16:48.the measured tone she has taken an independent by she has been

:16:49. > :16:51.throughout this dispute and I did speak to Doctor Eleanor McCourt

:16:52. > :16:56.earlier this afternoon and I appreciate that she is a very

:16:57. > :17:00.difficult situation but I would stress to her as I've to the House

:17:01. > :17:04.this afternoon that my door remains open for talks about absolutely

:17:05. > :17:07.anything and I'm keen to see of those are waved forward through

:17:08. > :17:11.dialogue and I have lots of discussions were there when we were

:17:12. > :17:14.negotiating this agreement in May and know she approached these

:17:15. > :17:19.positions in a very positive spirit. We are set in place processes, and

:17:20. > :17:22.that is one of the reasons why Professor Bailey was recommending a

:17:23. > :17:26.phased in the mentation, so if there are any safety concerns we can

:17:27. > :17:30.address them as we go along. My honourable friend the Minister for

:17:31. > :17:36.care quality is leading a process that will keep looking at the issues

:17:37. > :17:40.of quality-of-life for junior doctors. NHS employers is leading a

:17:41. > :17:44.process that will look in detail at the way the contract is implemented

:17:45. > :17:47.the point of these changes is to make care safer for patients and we

:17:48. > :17:53.will continue to be keep an eye on it and make sure it does.

:17:54. > :17:59.I 2am disappointed at the outcome of the ballots yesterday, and I think

:18:00. > :18:05.it has to be recognised that this reflects a real desperation. -- I am

:18:06. > :18:09.also disappointed. They are dealing with increased demand. They are

:18:10. > :18:14.dealing with increased pressure. And they have felt at times the tone of

:18:15. > :18:18.the negotiations has left a lot to be desired. The threat of imposition

:18:19. > :18:23.was there from the start and they felt that hanging over them. I do

:18:24. > :18:25.welcome several things in the statement and I absolutely welcomed

:18:26. > :18:30.the tone of the statement, which I think is measured. I welcome the

:18:31. > :18:37.attempt to tackle the gender pay gap, to deal with unhappy foundation

:18:38. > :18:43.is. The biggest concern junior doctors is gaps. In some cases, this

:18:44. > :18:47.is as high as one in four. Which means you have one doctor covering

:18:48. > :18:52.the role of two. That is a real patient safety issue which is meant

:18:53. > :18:56.to be the whole point of this. I do welcome that it will be faced, and I

:18:57. > :19:00.call on the Secretary of State that as it goes forward he will

:19:01. > :19:07.absolutely learn. Because their concern is how do you spread a short

:19:08. > :19:11.working force across more days? I called for it to be phased in a

:19:12. > :19:14.trial. It's been phased in a different way. But I think we do

:19:15. > :19:21.need to recognise the pain that this boat represents.

:19:22. > :19:25.-- this vote represents. I would like to thank her for all of her

:19:26. > :19:29.constructive comments and her own NHS experience. She is right, we

:19:30. > :19:32.phasing it carefully to ensure we learned the lessons that we do.

:19:33. > :19:39.She's absolutely right to talk about rotor gaps. Unfortunately, they are

:19:40. > :19:43.not something you can solve at the stroke of signing a contract. It is

:19:44. > :19:47.to do with making sure we have a big enough supply of doctors in the NHS

:19:48. > :19:51.to fill those rota gaps going forward. We do not have much greater

:19:52. > :19:56.transparency about appropriate safety levels that we need in

:19:57. > :20:02.different hospitals. That's one of the lessons we've learned post-mid

:20:03. > :20:09.Staffs. We are investing more in the NHS. We have recruited more doctors

:20:10. > :20:12.in the last Parliament and we are increasing our investment in the NHS

:20:13. > :20:16.even more so we can continue to boost the doctor workforce in the

:20:17. > :20:20.NHS. In the long run, that is the way we will deal with the rota.

:20:21. > :20:29.Issue, but it's not something that can be done overnight. May I

:20:30. > :20:34.congratulate the Secretary of State on taking the only responsible

:20:35. > :20:39.decision he could take to bring this sad and extraordinarily long episode

:20:40. > :20:44.to an end. May I also congratulate him on being conciliatory. He made

:20:45. > :20:49.concessions in May to produce the final contract and now he's phasing

:20:50. > :20:52.in the contract in an negotiated form. I hope we get back to a

:20:53. > :20:56.peaceful settlement. Does he agree with me that the surprising fact

:20:57. > :21:01.that so many dedicated junior doctors were prepared to take

:21:02. > :21:06.industrial action over rather ill-defined problems with the

:21:07. > :21:10.contract shows there is a problem of morale in the service must remark

:21:11. > :21:16.will he also undertake the very welcome steps he's announced today

:21:17. > :21:22.to try to address these wider issues won't just last for a few months

:21:23. > :21:27.whilst the dust settles but will be part of a continuous process to

:21:28. > :21:33.ensure we do restore the morale on which we all know the NHS relies?

:21:34. > :21:38.As ever, my right honourable friend speaks with great wisdom and

:21:39. > :21:44.experience on these issues. He is absolutely right to say that

:21:45. > :21:47.tackling the morale deficit in the NHS has to be a key priority and I

:21:48. > :21:52.think that's why we have two recognise that for doctors and,

:21:53. > :21:56.particularly, for junior doctors starting out on the medical careers,

:21:57. > :22:00.the most depressing and dispiriting thing of all is not able to give the

:22:01. > :22:04.care they wish to to the patient in front of them. That's why we're

:22:05. > :22:09.looking at a number of things to make it easier for them to improve

:22:10. > :22:12.the quality of care. One of the things that is particularly

:22:13. > :22:17.challenging which we in this house have got to think about and discuss

:22:18. > :22:22.a lot more is how difficult doctors and nurses find it to speak out if

:22:23. > :22:26.they see poor care, if they make a mistake, if one of their colleagues

:22:27. > :22:31.makes a mistake, because they're frightened of litigation. Or they're

:22:32. > :22:36.frightened of a GMC referable, or of disciplinary action by their Trust.

:22:37. > :22:39.The problem with that is you then don't go through the learning

:22:40. > :22:43.processes that are necessary to prevent those mistakes happening

:22:44. > :22:51.again. The key is creating a supportive environment in hospitals

:22:52. > :22:55.where learning can really help. If I believed that the benefits for

:22:56. > :23:00.patients of pushing ahead with this contract outweighed the impact that

:23:01. > :23:04.its imposition will have an junior doctor morale, recruitment and

:23:05. > :23:11.retention, then I would stand here and support house secretary. But I

:23:12. > :23:16.don't believe that. Can he tell the House which clause of which act of

:23:17. > :23:19.Parliament gives him the power to force hospitals to introduce this

:23:20. > :23:24.contract? And if he can't tell us that, can he outline the legislative

:23:25. > :23:30.basis varies for health education England with holding funding to

:23:31. > :23:35.trusts which might choose not to proceed with it?

:23:36. > :23:38.Health education England are absolutely clear that they have two

:23:39. > :23:45.were national training programmes, and that's why they have standard

:23:46. > :23:50.contracts. As she won those from her previous role on the front bench, in

:23:51. > :23:53.reality foundation trust have the legal right to set their own terms

:23:54. > :23:58.and conditions we do currently follow a national contract. That is

:23:59. > :24:03.their choice. Because they do that, I use the phrase this afternoon

:24:04. > :24:06."Introduction of a new contract", which I expect on the basis of

:24:07. > :24:10.current practice will be adopted throughout the NHS. I enjoyed

:24:11. > :24:17.working with her when she was Shadow Health Secretary. But she, on this

:24:18. > :24:23.issue, was quite wrong. Because she saw the Watts that leaks that

:24:24. > :24:27.revealed that there was no willingness or desire for a

:24:28. > :24:30.negotiated settlement from the BMA in February at precisely the time

:24:31. > :24:35.she was standing at the dispatch box and saying that I was the one that

:24:36. > :24:40.was being intransigent. She gave a running commentary on this dispute

:24:41. > :24:44.at every stage that when those leaks happened she said absolutely

:24:45. > :24:47.nothing. I can she should set The Record straight and apologise to

:24:48. > :24:52.this house for the fact that she got this issue totally wrong.

:24:53. > :24:57.Can I congratulate my right honourable friend for the patients

:24:58. > :25:04.he has shown in this matter? It is a good deal. Does he agree with me

:25:05. > :25:07.that it is indeed important to maintain morale in the health

:25:08. > :25:11.service. He would be very careful about striking special deals for one

:25:12. > :25:15.particular part of the workforce and the perception that it might be

:25:16. > :25:19.unfair. Would you further agree with me that we need to avoid temptation

:25:20. > :25:27.to address every single grievance that may occur in a particular

:25:28. > :25:32.workforce, which is really the job of managers locally than the

:25:33. > :25:35.Secretary of State? My honourable friend speaks from

:25:36. > :25:41.experience of sensibly on this issue. When we talk about morale,

:25:42. > :25:45.although in this house of course we think about the actions of

:25:46. > :25:50.politicians, ministers and so on. For doctors in a hospital, the most

:25:51. > :25:54.important component of their morale is the way they treated by their

:25:55. > :25:57.direct line manager 's job I do think that one of the things that

:25:58. > :26:04.worries me most in the NHS when we look at the staff survey is we still

:26:05. > :26:07.seem 19% of NHS staff talk about the fact that they'd been bullied in the

:26:08. > :26:13.last year. That is ridiculously high and we do need to think about why it

:26:14. > :26:17.is and the BRC, I think, is it is very, very tough on the front line

:26:18. > :26:21.at the moment. -- the reality, I think. We need to do everything we

:26:22. > :26:30.can to support doctors and nurses doing a challenging job.

:26:31. > :26:34.Instead of blaming the BMA, does the Secretary of State acknowledged that

:26:35. > :26:37.yesterday's result was indicative of the fact that a significant

:26:38. > :26:42.proportion of medical staff have lost confidence in him? More than

:26:43. > :26:46.ever, the NHS requires the goodwill of the staff in order to run. I

:26:47. > :26:51.wonder how he intends to restore confidence?

:26:52. > :26:58.In my statement, I took the trouble to praise the BMA leaders who at the

:26:59. > :27:02.outset I did not agree with their tactics. But they did have the

:27:03. > :27:07.courage to negotiate a deal and try to get their members to accept it. I

:27:08. > :27:12.respect them for doing that. Part of the problem was in the early stages

:27:13. > :27:14.of this dispute, I was a lot of misinformation going around. There

:27:15. > :27:19.were a lot of doctors who thought their salary would be cut by about

:27:20. > :27:23.one third. That was never on the table and never the intention of the

:27:24. > :27:27.Government. Many doctors for the would-be asked to be working longer

:27:28. > :27:32.hours. That was the opposite of what we wanted to do. But created a very

:27:33. > :27:36.bitter atmosphere. I simply say that in the end, the best way to restore

:27:37. > :27:39.morale is to support doctors in giving better care for their

:27:40. > :27:48.patience and that's what the NHS transformation plan is all about.

:27:49. > :27:53.Around ten years ago, the mishandled introduction of MMC and the medical

:27:54. > :27:58.training application service started some of the problems for junior

:27:59. > :28:06.doctors. Can I pay tribute to the BMA, who in the discussions up to

:28:07. > :28:09.May helped to agree with NHS England employers changes to the proposed

:28:10. > :28:14.contract which were for the benefit of doctors in chaining. Can I say to

:28:15. > :28:18.the Secretary of State and, through him to the employers, but they pay

:28:19. > :28:22.attention to the extracontractual issues that are applicable to

:28:23. > :28:26.doctors and that the BMA may catch up with the rest of us in trying to

:28:27. > :28:29.think that rely on them to give a good service to our patients and

:28:30. > :28:34.that they need to work together with everybody else and we will support

:28:35. > :28:38.them in doing that. I am prepared to give that assurance

:28:39. > :28:45.and I thank him for his comments. He's absolutely right. You look at

:28:46. > :28:52.previous changes. You can even go further back and look at the

:28:53. > :28:58.introduction of the European working Time directive and the shift system.

:28:59. > :29:02.Which sensibly reduced some of the crazy hours that junior doctors were

:29:03. > :29:05.being asked to work. Unfortunately, at the same time, it got rid of the

:29:06. > :29:11.old firm system which went junior doctors had a sense of comedian

:29:12. > :29:18.relative, there was a consultant that they knew. -- census, Marjorie.

:29:19. > :29:24.That was disruptive when we with juiced the shift system and the

:29:25. > :29:30.maximum hour limits. We do need to think about how we could recreate

:29:31. > :29:34.some of that sense, which is missing for junior doctors in the first two

:29:35. > :29:38.years of training before they join a specialty.

:29:39. > :29:45.With morale amongst junior doctors at rock bottom, and Hull having a

:29:46. > :29:47.historic problem with recruitment and retention, can the Secretary of

:29:48. > :29:52.State Tommy what particular initiatives he's going to use to

:29:53. > :29:56.allow the health service in Hull to have a number of doctors that we

:29:57. > :29:59.need to function and provide the high quality care that we all want

:30:00. > :30:05.to see? There is one very good doctor in the

:30:06. > :30:10.Hull A Department, who has not taken over as leader of the junior

:30:11. > :30:16.doctors committee. -- who has now taken over. There are particular

:30:17. > :30:24.pressures that Hull. As you know, we've had management changes. So

:30:25. > :30:27.far, we have not seen the improvement in Hull that we'd like.

:30:28. > :30:31.There are problems with the infrastructure and the physical

:30:32. > :30:35.buildings there. We will continue to work with the NHS locally and the

:30:36. > :30:40.Trust to improve the situation there. You're absolutely right to

:30:41. > :30:42.bring it to my attention. Can I join my right honourable

:30:43. > :30:47.friend in expressing sadness that the decision in the vote. You'll

:30:48. > :30:52.remember on previous occasions that I've raced with some family friendly

:30:53. > :30:56.aspects about the lives of junior doctors. Does he agree with me that

:30:57. > :30:59.it is important to look at the training situation where a couple

:31:00. > :31:03.can be sent to different towns many miles apart poster mark the roster

:31:04. > :31:09.ring which can make family lives difficult. And some of the problems

:31:10. > :31:13.of returners to work or perhaps need their training needs to be properly

:31:14. > :31:18.considered. Can he will be continuing to look at these issues?

:31:19. > :31:22.And as the monitoring and phasing goes ahead, hill try and address

:31:23. > :31:26.them. My right honourable friend is

:31:27. > :31:31.absolutely right to raise that and I can reassure him that a subsequent

:31:32. > :31:36.-- that subsequently we have started a big piece of work to look at those

:31:37. > :31:40.issues. The difficulty is that junior doctors are rotated every six

:31:41. > :31:44.months. That is particularly disruptive if you have family life,

:31:45. > :31:48.a partner and one of you is sent to Sheffield and the other is sent to

:31:49. > :31:51.Bristol or whatever it is. We are looking to see what we can do to

:31:52. > :31:56.deal with that. The other issue where licking at is the issue of

:31:57. > :32:00.people who, for family reasons, discover they have a caring

:32:01. > :32:06.responsibility. -- the other issue we are looking at and they want to

:32:07. > :32:11.switch specialty to a specialty that perhaps doesn't have quite so many

:32:12. > :32:14.unsocial hours, and whether it's possible to navigate their training

:32:15. > :32:22.across from one specialty to another but doesn't affect.

:32:23. > :32:26.We are congratulating each other on the measured tone in which we

:32:27. > :32:30.speaking, but the leader of the BMA has said in measured tones that

:32:31. > :32:34.given the results, both sides must look again at the proposals and

:32:35. > :32:38.there should be no transition to a new contract until further talks

:32:39. > :32:43.take place. We'll be Health Secretary commit to further talks in

:32:44. > :32:45.order to avoid further conflict, and the possibility that if he doesn't,

:32:46. > :32:52.he may provoke further strike action? If you provoke further

:32:53. > :33:29.action, the blame will lie fairly and squarely at his open

:33:30. > :33:36.If I thought this would lead to a consensus of membership I wants is

:33:37. > :33:41.what I would do given the consensus we are in the mac -- given the

:33:42. > :33:45.position we are then when people were excepting this steel before and

:33:46. > :33:48.were still not listen to the still no prospect and I need to take a

:33:49. > :33:52.difficult decision that I have taken this afternoon. There has been a

:33:53. > :33:55.negotiation in the Secretary of State has listen to the concerns of

:33:56. > :33:58.junior doctors who now have a better contract and we have heard today

:33:59. > :34:02.that will be a phased introduction of it. There degree that junior

:34:03. > :34:08.doctors now need to move forwards and they should take up the offer to

:34:09. > :34:11.be involved in work to improve the experience of junior doctors in

:34:12. > :34:15.training? We know junior doctors do not feel valued. This should feel

:34:16. > :34:21.violet and the need to play their part in McCain sure that they are

:34:22. > :34:30.valued. She's absolutely right say that. One of the things that is very

:34:31. > :34:35.clear to me is that the reason that we did mail is actually better than

:34:36. > :34:39.the deal we were going to induce in February because of the involvement

:34:40. > :34:43.of the BMA and the BMA leaders and Ashley telling us what the concerns

:34:44. > :34:48.were of junior doctors at the coal face and the specific nickels and

:34:49. > :34:50.annoyances, many of which we were able to sort out very

:34:51. > :34:55.straightforwardly and so I very strongly hope junior doctors will

:34:56. > :35:00.remain a normal discussions that we have going forward to try to get

:35:01. > :35:04.even better solutions. At the start of his statement the Secretary of

:35:05. > :35:10.State use sophistry to try to call into question the result of the

:35:11. > :35:13.ballot by inferring that 50% did not provide legitimacy for the rejection

:35:14. > :35:16.of a government contract offer at the very beginning of his statement.

:35:17. > :35:21.This is regret using smoke and mirrors and a series agree that of

:35:22. > :35:25.his flawed methodology was used rather actual processes he would not

:35:26. > :35:32.be sitting on the size and wouldn't be a Tory government and we would

:35:33. > :35:36.still be in the EU? I think is completely misinterpreting what I

:35:37. > :35:39.said and I said in my statement 50% voted against contract and except

:35:40. > :35:46.that was a majority of BMA members. I'll just hitting the fax that on a

:35:47. > :35:49.60% turnout that means that around one third of seven junior doctors

:35:50. > :35:56.actively voted against this contract. That is factually correct.

:35:57. > :35:59.I would like to thank my right honourable friend for all his

:36:00. > :36:06.efforts in agreeing a deal that was acceptable for the junior doctors

:36:07. > :36:11.leaders. They have voted against the law trade union. I like the way for

:36:12. > :36:14.the Secretary of State is outlined today but will he reassure the House

:36:15. > :36:22.that patients and will always be his number one priority? I am happy to

:36:23. > :36:27.give that assurance and think one of the most exciting things in the NHS

:36:28. > :36:30.despite a lot of the doom and gloom in the headlines is that we're

:36:31. > :36:33.seeing a transformation in the safety culture we have an NHS and

:36:34. > :36:36.we're now seeing for example that although we're doing for the half

:36:37. > :36:42.thousand more operations every day the proportion of patients being

:36:43. > :36:47.harmed down by about a third in three years serving brothers a lot

:36:48. > :36:51.more to do do as I'm not no doubt going to hear. I'm quite shocked

:36:52. > :36:59.that we're hearing it again. Ever look at the history, 90% of the

:37:00. > :37:02.contract has been renegotiated and there have been years of

:37:03. > :37:05.negotiations and this contract is far safer for patients and never

:37:06. > :37:10.mind what the opposition 's benches say, they cannot lay on the

:37:11. > :37:14.Secretary of State sounds of the decide to take strike action. We

:37:15. > :37:18.should stop using the patients as pawns and actually put patients

:37:19. > :37:23.first now. I should like to thank the Secretary of State for his

:37:24. > :37:31.perseverance in this. And would like to ask my right honourable friend

:37:32. > :37:36.who's relentless pursuit of partisan politics about the BMA took con and

:37:37. > :37:40.put patients at rest. Do you agree? Think it is been very disappointing

:37:41. > :37:46.outpatients have suffered with over 20,000 cancelled operations in this

:37:47. > :37:49.process. I think she is absolutely right to campaign herself on issues

:37:50. > :37:53.of hygiene and cleanliness which lead to so many tragedies when not

:37:54. > :37:56.properly attended to. I hope we can move on and I do believe that

:37:57. > :38:01.despite the disappointing rejection of the steel on the ballot that has

:38:02. > :38:04.been some trusts established between the leaders of the BMA and the

:38:05. > :38:07.government and we have had a very productive dialogue. We have made a

:38:08. > :38:11.number of changes to the main contract since the announcement,

:38:12. > :38:17.things they stress that we've agreed to and I would like to continue that

:38:18. > :38:21.process and up that trust. Having been somewhat of a burden on the NHS

:38:22. > :38:25.myself over the months due to playing football with the honourable

:38:26. > :38:30.member for Ellesmere Port, unsuccessfully in December, I spent

:38:31. > :38:34.an hour on the day of the light strike talking to junior doctors who

:38:35. > :38:38.treated me and they asked me if I could pass on to the Secretary of

:38:39. > :38:42.State and the BMA the need and desire for more talks. Can I find

:38:43. > :38:46.the Secretary of State for showing that flight ability and he does

:38:47. > :38:49.difficult job very well and has appreciated on these benches. I am

:38:50. > :38:53.saddened that this contract has not been brokered in the way we thought

:38:54. > :38:56.it would be in May. Can I asked the sector seek to ensure that those

:38:57. > :39:01.junior doctors to move on this contract are made well aware how an

:39:02. > :39:04.popular previous contract has been in the medical profession and that

:39:05. > :39:10.these terms are well sold to junior doctors are well reassured and these

:39:11. > :39:15.new terms? I'm more than happy to do that and I'm very happy that the

:39:16. > :39:20.vast majority of junior doctors fingers attracted that has happened

:39:21. > :39:23.and are very keen to move on and I hope they take motion says this

:39:24. > :39:25.afternoon seriously that we will monitor at every stage the

:39:26. > :39:31.implementation of this new contract and if there are things we can do to

:39:32. > :39:37.improve data that is what contract that is good for them and for

:39:38. > :39:40.patients. -- improve that. Which like the ones we've been living

:39:41. > :39:44.through put other matters in perspective and ensure that secular

:39:45. > :39:48.state would agree with me it is absolutely right for patients and

:39:49. > :39:52.for the country that this dispute ends now and I am delighted to hear

:39:53. > :39:57.that reluctantly he is now going to move to phase in the imposition of

:39:58. > :40:00.the contract. Witty and usual conservatory manner note on the page

:40:01. > :40:04.on this dispute and edit completely and build a new relationship with

:40:05. > :40:10.your doctors and with the new interim head of the BMA 's doctor

:40:11. > :40:14.committee? I think he speaks very wisely. I would certainly very much

:40:15. > :40:17.like to do that and it does take two to tangle with several of the side

:40:18. > :40:21.of the government who want to do everything we can to work with all

:40:22. > :40:25.leaders are different bodies inside the medical profession. Part of the

:40:26. > :40:30.reason which he says which is that the country is very preoccupied with

:40:31. > :40:36.even bigger issues and partly because there is so much pressure on

:40:37. > :40:39.the NHS front line it is just counter-productive to resource so

:40:40. > :40:47.much energy on these disputes when actually we can talk around them and

:40:48. > :40:52.avoid them. I'm very grateful for being asked to speak. As a Secretary

:40:53. > :40:55.of State got any indication about how many junior doctors actually

:40:56. > :40:58.read the contract rather than relying on the BMA rumours because

:40:59. > :41:08.the weather of torture have not read it and one said it was too long. I

:41:09. > :41:16.would first of all thank and it is last but not least for sure in her

:41:17. > :41:19.case but I would say many junior doctors are aware of the bones of

:41:20. > :41:23.the contract and ensure some of the Reddit just as others have but I

:41:24. > :41:28.think the issue has been that a lot of them have read it and felt it

:41:29. > :41:33.does not answer every single problem we face today as a junior doctor and

:41:34. > :41:36.unfortunately that is no contract to consult every single question the

:41:37. > :41:39.face of the struggle pen and I suspect that is why number of them

:41:40. > :41:43.have voted to reject it and what is it to them as we have a contract

:41:44. > :41:46.that is an improvement what we have for with that and try to address the

:41:47. > :41:53.other issues is best in the quickly as we can. That's like an approval

:41:54. > :42:02.to what we had before. -- an improvement. I asked the question on

:42:03. > :42:08.the safety and custody and violence in the prisons following a walk-out

:42:09. > :42:11.by officers on ones with scraps after assaulting two officers and

:42:12. > :42:14.health and safety grounds. I was told that the government they would

:42:15. > :42:18.treat these very seriously but I was told by the prison officers

:42:19. > :42:26.Association Asian that the problems continue Wormwood Scrubs and BBC

:42:27. > :42:28.report that there have been five walk-outs recently. I fully

:42:29. > :42:32.understand why the government would not because Damon today given

:42:33. > :42:36.pressing other business but what can you do to assist me in getting the

:42:37. > :42:39.Secretary of State or Minister to come to this House and make a

:42:40. > :42:45.statement on this issue which is not only very serious but now looks like

:42:46. > :42:53.it is endemic within our prisons? And surely honourable gentleman is

:42:54. > :42:56.sure this is not a point of order. I surely will be a business questions

:42:57. > :43:05.tomorrow when he can as leader of a House for a statement. -- as leader

:43:06. > :43:10.of the House. Earlier one as my question for Prime Minister I

:43:11. > :43:13.specifically mentioned the two child policy and the rape laws. I'm sure

:43:14. > :43:20.the Prime Minister did not mean to lead the sweet -- mislead a House

:43:21. > :43:22.and his answer but he said the Scottish Parliament would be getting

:43:23. > :43:28.powers and welfare to cover those issues. That is not the case in the

:43:29. > :43:31.Scottish Parliament is only getting 15% of welfare powers and the power

:43:32. > :43:36.to modify the tax credit system was not one of those I wonder if Madam

:43:37. > :43:45.Deputy Speaker you could help obtain an answer from the Prime Minister. I

:43:46. > :43:48.thank her for that point of order as is logically speaking a point of

:43:49. > :43:51.order but she will put the matter on the record and ensure if the premise

:43:52. > :43:57.was and would like to correct the wreck of the will be way of doing

:43:58. > :44:10.so. Presentation of Bill, Geraint Davies. Terms of withdrawal from the

:44:11. > :44:19.EU referendum Bill. Second reading what day? Friday 21st of October

:44:20. > :44:23.2000 16. We now come to the motion in the name of the Leader of the

:44:24. > :44:31.Opposition relating to EU nationals in the UK. I call Andy Burnham to

:44:32. > :44:34.move the motion. I beg to move the motion standing my name and those in

:44:35. > :44:38.my honourable and Right Honourable friends. This debate directly

:44:39. > :44:42.affects the lives of millions of people living in this country is let

:44:43. > :44:46.me start by inviting the House to join me to send a very clear message

:44:47. > :44:52.to the EU nationals living in the UK that I think right now we need to

:44:53. > :44:58.hear from this Parliament. You are truly valued members of our society

:44:59. > :45:03.and you're very welcome here. Letters remember the people affected

:45:04. > :45:08.are the mothers and fathers, and some uncles, grandmas and grandads

:45:09. > :45:13.of British children like mine. They are friends and our neighbours,

:45:14. > :45:18.valued members of local amenities, doctors and nurses who look after us

:45:19. > :45:23.when we are L, teachers, educating our children, people run companies

:45:24. > :45:28.who employ thousands of British workers. To throw any doubt over

:45:29. > :45:32.their right to remain here in the future is to undermine family life,

:45:33. > :45:37.the stability of our public services, our economy and our

:45:38. > :45:40.society. Sadly it is what the Home Secretary has done. Instead of

:45:41. > :45:54.showing leadership and sending out an immediate message of reassurance

:45:55. > :45:57.in the aftermath of bread is it --Brexit she has added to the

:45:58. > :46:00.uncertainty many people were feeling and left them feeling like a

:46:01. > :46:09.bargaining chips at the massive Brussels. -- bargaining chips at the

:46:10. > :46:12.mercy of Brussels. The Home Secretary has made certain

:46:13. > :46:15.statements and other members of the government amid other statements and

:46:16. > :46:19.the desert and sent this is the problem. If there was a clear

:46:20. > :46:23.statement about the intent to keep the EU nationals here without any

:46:24. > :46:27.further discussion that would actually help deal with the problems

:46:28. > :46:31.that we have at the moment. It is that uncertainty that has led to a

:46:32. > :46:38.lot of problems locally doing local committees which we had about debate

:46:39. > :46:40.last night. I could not agree more, Madam Deputy Speaker, with the chair

:46:41. > :46:46.of the home affairs select committee. People have been left

:46:47. > :46:50.feeling uncertain which will onto later and it has created a hostile

:46:51. > :46:56.climate on the streets of our committees. This is not what people

:46:57. > :47:00.are looking for in someone who seeks to lead our nation. It will not be

:47:01. > :47:06.lost on people that for the second time in three days the Home

:47:07. > :47:10.Secretary has failed to come to this Saudis to clear up the confusion. I

:47:11. > :47:15.think we were entitled to hear directly from her having call this

:47:16. > :47:19.important debate. I will give way to the honourable gentleman to my

:47:20. > :47:22.honourable friends. Can I join him in pain should be to all those

:47:23. > :47:28.European nationals who work in Britain and essential Bible jobs,

:47:29. > :47:31.52,000 of them in the NHS. Is not agree with me that we do need an

:47:32. > :47:38.orderly settlement as part of this because Asian with the EU? -- and

:47:39. > :47:44.vital jobs. There are 1.2 million British people out there in the EU

:47:45. > :47:47.working other parts and they are doing valuable work as well no

:47:48. > :47:51.doubt. We need an audit settlement and at the moment there is no

:47:52. > :48:08.current rest to those who are living their idea until the final agreement

:48:09. > :48:16.is our reach. -- rest. -- rest. --Risk. I thank him for giving way.

:48:17. > :48:19.In the last week alone I have spoken to an Italian grandmother who has

:48:20. > :48:24.been here for 46 years and is devastated at the thought she may

:48:25. > :48:27.have to return to her home country. A Dutch DJ who makes street parties

:48:28. > :48:30.and thought she may have to return to her home country. A Dutch DJ who

:48:31. > :48:33.makes street parties in Walthamstow swing to stop a Danish climate

:48:34. > :48:36.change scientist who is helping tackle the problem faces assault.

:48:37. > :48:45.And that shatters it is beatable but challenging sculptors were

:48:46. > :48:51.committed. -- and add a sculptor who makes beatable sculptures. It is a

:48:52. > :48:54.crime and division which is not orderly and has no place in our

:48:55. > :48:59.society but these people do and are very welcome here.

:49:00. > :49:07.My honourable friend makes a very important point. I was reading in

:49:08. > :49:10.the Guardian about a Dutch Allied health professional who said this.

:49:11. > :49:16.Since the referendum, I wish I had not come to the UK. After population

:49:17. > :49:20.does not want me here. I am tearful, if I have the chance, I would leave

:49:21. > :49:23.now. That is not true, but that is how people have been left to feel. I

:49:24. > :49:28.will take a couple more interventions.

:49:29. > :49:31.I am very grateful to the honourable gentleman for bringing forward this

:49:32. > :49:34.motion and I agree that we need to offer that reassurance. Would he

:49:35. > :49:38.agree with me that assuming this motion passes today then that is a

:49:39. > :49:41.great offer of reassurance from this whole parliament, as I get the

:49:42. > :49:46.distinctive impression it will not be opposed?

:49:47. > :49:50.I hope the right honourable gentleman is correct. I don't know

:49:51. > :49:53.what the Government's intention is, but if we were to follow the logic

:49:54. > :49:57.of what we heard from the Immigration Minister on Monday then

:49:58. > :50:03.it will be imposing this motion. We will see. I think this house can

:50:04. > :50:06.tonight remove the uncertainty from the people that my honourable friend

:50:07. > :50:11.was just describing. It can send them a message tonight that they are

:50:12. > :50:16.welcome here in our country, and it is precisely what we should do. I

:50:17. > :50:21.give way. Would you agree with me that talking

:50:22. > :50:24.about the comments the Home Secretary has made outside the

:50:25. > :50:28.context of Brexit, it is one of the most extreme statements made by any

:50:29. > :50:33.politician and it has caused fear not only with my constituents who

:50:34. > :50:37.are EU nationals but by anybody, by the 46% of my constituents who were

:50:38. > :50:43.born outside of the UK. Because if they conveyed is about one, they can

:50:44. > :50:46.say it about another. I hope we have the result that he is asking for

:50:47. > :50:50.today because this is a very serious matter.

:50:51. > :50:53.It is an abdication of leadership for the Home Secretary not to be

:50:54. > :50:58.here to hear what my honourable friend has just that. One can only

:50:59. > :51:02.speculate that she made these comments in a bid to woo the

:51:03. > :51:08.grassroots of the Tory party in her current situation. I don't know,

:51:09. > :51:12.she's not here to contradict me, so I don't know. She could if she

:51:13. > :51:16.wanted to, but she's not here. I do know that her comments of course a

:51:17. > :51:20.lot of worry for people, as my honourable friend has said. There

:51:21. > :51:23.are in danger of making us look to the rest of the world like a very

:51:24. > :51:28.different country to the one that welcome to the world to London 2012

:51:29. > :51:33.just four short years ago. A very different Britain to the decent,

:51:34. > :51:38.open-minded, fair country that we are perceived or have been perceived

:51:39. > :51:45.to be around the world. I give way. I, too, have 36,000 EU residents

:51:46. > :51:52.living in the London Borough of Westminster. My postbag has been

:51:53. > :51:55.flooded with people. It is hard to overstate how disappointed and

:51:56. > :52:00.worried many of these people are at the message that is being sent out

:52:01. > :52:03.and the lack of clarity. Can I just asking to reassure one constituent

:52:04. > :52:07.who wrote to me this week to say that she has lived in her beloved

:52:08. > :52:14.London for 14 years, educated Heslop, paid for herself, Hatay

:52:15. > :52:18.taxes and supported local taxes. -- paid her taxes. I am probably not

:52:19. > :52:21.the immigrant everyone fears, she says, but it does not change the

:52:22. > :52:26.fact that I am an immigrant and now I worry for my future.

:52:27. > :52:29.I find it terrible that that is how people in Britain in 2016 thinking

:52:30. > :52:34.and feeling today as we have this debate. We should do something today

:52:35. > :52:37.to give her some comfort and to send that message that she is indeed

:52:38. > :52:43.valued here. I will give way one more time before making some

:52:44. > :52:47.progress. I would just like to set on record

:52:48. > :52:51.what I think has been said already that countless times the vote Leave

:52:52. > :52:58.campaign gave exactly this reassurance to everybody from other

:52:59. > :53:02.EU countries living and working here. It is very, very disappointing

:53:03. > :53:07.but they should be called into question. I think it is absolutely

:53:08. > :53:13.right to issue the strongest possible reassurance to EU nationals

:53:14. > :53:16.in this country, not just for moral or humanitarian reasons, but for

:53:17. > :53:22.very, very sound economic reasons as well. Their welcome, they're

:53:23. > :53:26.necessary, they're a vital part of our society and I will be

:53:27. > :53:31.passionately supporting this motion. I'm pleased to hear it. Let's not

:53:32. > :53:34.rerun of the arguments of the referendum campaign today, although

:53:35. > :53:42.it has given rise to the situation that we are now in. However, to be

:53:43. > :53:47.fair to the honourable gentleman, he and others didn't argue that people

:53:48. > :53:50.should be sent back. It was a very clear position that the Leave

:53:51. > :53:56.campaign held during the referendum that there should be no question of

:53:57. > :54:01.EU nationals having to return. My worry is why has his front bench

:54:02. > :54:05.muddied the waters in the aftermath of this referendum? Why aren't they

:54:06. > :54:08.providing a basic reassurance to millions of people living here? It

:54:09. > :54:16.was entirely predictable that this question would arise following a

:54:17. > :54:20.potential Brexit vote. The answer is to why they can't give a straight

:54:21. > :54:25.answer can be found in last week's civil service world. Let me quote

:54:26. > :54:28.from it. Downing Street on Monday reiterated that the civil servants

:54:29. > :54:32.had not done separate contingency work for the wider process of

:54:33. > :54:38.withdrawal, and think the new team will now lead on. A simple question

:54:39. > :54:42.for the minister. Why on earth did they not do any contingency planning

:54:43. > :54:47.so that it was in a position to give a straight answer to the people who

:54:48. > :54:51.are now worried about their status? Yesterday, the right Honourable

:54:52. > :54:54.member for West Dorset who was leading that work told the foreign

:54:55. > :54:58.affairs select committee that the unit set up to deal with Brexit is

:54:59. > :55:02.still looking at options for the next Prime Minister to consider.

:55:03. > :55:07.That is not good enough. Can I remind the Conservative Party that

:55:08. > :55:10.there is still a country to be run here. This will only add to the

:55:11. > :55:14.feeling that they have abdicated their responsibility to lead the

:55:15. > :55:20.country in the absence of the referendum and have plunged us into

:55:21. > :55:26.chaos. I give way. Would you agree with me that this

:55:27. > :55:32.level of incompetence is just frightening, and is causing genuine

:55:33. > :55:36.distress amongst residents and our constituents? Also, in certain areas

:55:37. > :55:39.like construction where 49% of construction workers building new

:55:40. > :55:44.homes and European, this could lead to real dangers for the economy and

:55:45. > :55:48.industry as well. My honourable friend puts her point

:55:49. > :55:53.very well. If it was only people on this side of the House saying it,

:55:54. > :55:57.the public might think it was partisan or point-scoring. But it's

:55:58. > :56:02.not, is it? We just heard from somebody as senior as the honourable

:56:03. > :56:06.member for Oxbridge. Yesterday, the member for Reigate said that the

:56:07. > :56:11.failure to carry out any contingency planning amounted to gross

:56:12. > :56:14.negligence and the dereliction of duty on the part of the Prime

:56:15. > :56:18.Minister. He went on to say that there wasn't a majority in the

:56:19. > :56:23.Conservative Party in support of the Home Secretary's current position.

:56:24. > :56:27.We saw that for ourselves during the urgent question earlier this week.

:56:28. > :56:31.If there was ever a day for Parliament to do the right thing,

:56:32. > :56:35.surely it is today. I would hope that members opposite put their

:56:36. > :56:40.conscience first and their constituents first and do the right

:56:41. > :56:44.thing. While the Government may be awfully

:56:45. > :56:47.unprepared for the consequences of the referendum outcome, my right

:56:48. > :56:50.honourable friend will be interested to hear that a number of

:56:51. > :56:55.non-government organisations and charities already putting in plans

:56:56. > :57:01.to support worried EU residents, including citizens advice. Do you

:57:02. > :57:04.join me in encouraging the Minister to meet these charities as quickly

:57:05. > :57:09.as possible so that at the very least he can have some meaningful

:57:10. > :57:13.discussions about the need for a security uncertainty that the people

:57:14. > :57:18.they represent base? Somebody needs to provide some

:57:19. > :57:21.leadership, don't they? -- the people they represent base. Somebody

:57:22. > :57:24.needs to be meeting to need two groups. I hope you would listen to

:57:25. > :57:29.what my honourable friend has said because the sheer lack of any action

:57:30. > :57:34.at the moment is causing real difficulties on the streets of her

:57:35. > :57:39.constituency, mine and others. The clearest explanation that we have

:57:40. > :57:45.had so far... One last time, then I will make progress.

:57:46. > :57:48.Three and a half thousand Eastern European citizens living in my

:57:49. > :57:53.constituency and I have a huge amount of the busy for this motion.

:57:54. > :57:57.But I think the Home Secretary's position is simply that this

:57:58. > :58:00.requires a degree of consideration before proceeding. What is the

:58:01. > :58:04.position of my honourable friend in position of my honourable friend in

:58:05. > :58:07.the Labour Party? Is it to give all of our European citizens

:58:08. > :58:12.indefinitely to remain tomorrow? To make them British citizens? Surely

:58:13. > :58:17.this does require a degree of consideration.

:58:18. > :58:21.Precisely that, that is my position. They came here when they were

:58:22. > :58:26.perfectly legally entitled to do so. They are contributing to our

:58:27. > :58:32.society. They, absolutely, should be allowed to stay. I'm amazed that it

:58:33. > :58:35.is not his position as well. The clearest explanation came from the

:58:36. > :58:39.Immigration Minister on Monday when he said this. It's been suggested

:58:40. > :58:42.the Government could now fully guaranteed eg National is the right

:58:43. > :58:47.to stay, but that would be unwise without a parallel assurance from EU

:58:48. > :58:51.authorities regarding British nationals living in their countries.

:58:52. > :58:56.I want to take the House through the logic. And what it means in

:58:57. > :58:59.practice. Effectively, in the course of negotiations, if Britain was

:59:00. > :59:03.unable to secure the rights of British nationals living abroad, it

:59:04. > :59:07.would then consider sending home EU nationals in retaliation. That is

:59:08. > :59:12.effectively what the Government is saying. To put it another way, the

:59:13. > :59:17.Government is willing to put the lives of millions of people living

:59:18. > :59:21.here in limbo, and also their dependents, to secure the position

:59:22. > :59:26.of people who chosen to make their life elsewhere. How can that be

:59:27. > :59:30.right? I have to say to the Government, it isn't good enough. We

:59:31. > :59:35.had an expansion on the Government position elsewhere from a

:59:36. > :59:39.spokesperson, who said this. At last my's meeting, to was very clear

:59:40. > :59:44.about the position of EU nationals in Britain and argued it was equally

:59:45. > :59:48.right to consider the rights of British nationals abroad. -- Theresa

:59:49. > :59:52.May was very clear. I'm in favour of the Government doing all it can to

:59:53. > :59:59.secure the rights of UK nationals living in the rest of Europe. But it

:00:00. > :00:02.should not be at the expense of the families -- of the security of

:00:03. > :00:10.families living here and paying taxes here. Priority should be

:00:11. > :00:12.ordered. I would argue that the best way our own government can

:00:13. > :00:18.strengthen the position of British nationals living would is to make a

:00:19. > :00:22.decisive unilateral move now to secure the rights of those living

:00:23. > :00:28.here from other countries. Surely, that would build trust and goodwill

:00:29. > :00:33.that has been surely lacking in the aftermath of the Brexit vote. There

:00:34. > :00:38.is no reason at all why this needs to get mixed up in negotiations with

:00:39. > :00:42.Europe. It was this government's own decision to make these 3 million

:00:43. > :00:46.people an issue in the negotiations, and it is entirely within the gift

:00:47. > :00:50.of the UK Government to remove this uncertainty today and commit to

:00:51. > :00:54.changing the immigration rules. While I understand the Minister's

:00:55. > :00:58.argument that giving status to anyone who was here before the UK

:00:59. > :01:02.formally leaves the EU could be an incentive for people to come here,

:01:03. > :01:05.he can easily fix that by making it clear that those with a right to

:01:06. > :01:10.stay would have to have been resident in this country before June

:01:11. > :01:17.at the 23rd, referendum day. Very simple. A national insurance number

:01:18. > :01:21.would prove it. According to international convention, people

:01:22. > :01:23.shouldn't have their rights retrospectively eroded. Doesn't it

:01:24. > :01:27.follow that people who've made a life here when it was perfectly

:01:28. > :01:32.legal for them to do so should not have the rug pulled from underneath

:01:33. > :01:37.them? There is another more serious implication of the failure to take

:01:38. > :01:41.away the uncertainty. It will create the conditions for the climate of

:01:42. > :01:45.hostility to continue and with it the potential for abuse and

:01:46. > :01:49.violence. That is not something that any Home Secretary or Home Office

:01:50. > :01:56.minister should put his or her name to. For the garment's formal

:01:57. > :01:59.position to be that it might, in due course, ask people to go home, it

:02:00. > :02:04.can only give encouragement to those who wish to start up division and

:02:05. > :02:08.hatred. -- for the Government's formal position.

:02:09. > :02:13.Do you agree with me that it's quite wrong for the Government to use

:02:14. > :02:17.these people as pawns either in the Brexit negotiation or the leadership

:02:18. > :02:22.contest? I couldn't agree with the honourable

:02:23. > :02:29.Lady more. That is exactly how they do feel. Those quotes from people in

:02:30. > :02:35.the papers saying that is the feeling they been left with. They

:02:36. > :02:40.can go and work elsewhere, many of the people who work in our NHS or

:02:41. > :02:44.schools or universities. These are sometimes very highly sought after

:02:45. > :02:49.individuals. If we don't send a clear message to them, others will.

:02:50. > :02:57.I'm grateful to him for giving way and I agree entirely with the thrust

:02:58. > :03:00.of the argument makes. A wonderfully good comment on practical

:03:01. > :03:05.consideration from this debate? I've many people in my constituency who

:03:06. > :03:08.are now deciding they would wish to apply for permanent citizenship is

:03:09. > :03:13.one of the options now available to them but they complain for example,

:03:14. > :03:18.one of my constituents who has been here and 19 US and the Spanish born

:03:19. > :03:21.and the senior researcher at the University of Edinburgh, she says

:03:22. > :03:24.that in trying to fill in the application forms the soul combo

:03:25. > :03:29.gated and they acquire information because she's been here for two

:03:30. > :03:33.decades is not available any more and the fees are a bit of a worry.

:03:34. > :03:37.Would it not be a statement of intent from the stomach that while

:03:38. > :03:40.they are starting a domestic or at least commit to fast tracking

:03:41. > :03:45.applications for British attention it from you nationals who made their

:03:46. > :03:50.lives in this country apart with the fees and provide additional support

:03:51. > :03:55.units in British offices to help processes? That would be something

:03:56. > :03:59.and if the minister got up and said that perhaps it would make people

:04:00. > :04:02.feel a little bit more valued than reveal today and we will have to

:04:03. > :04:08.wait to see if anything is forthcoming. It is right for the

:04:09. > :04:12.honourable gentleman to say that to put obstacles in the way and make

:04:13. > :04:17.them pay fees just increases the sense of alienation from our country

:04:18. > :04:20.and I do not believe that as anybody on the side of the House and I

:04:21. > :04:27.suspect people on the other side as well will see it like that. There

:04:28. > :04:32.continue to be a and the Metropolitan Police have been

:04:33. > :04:36.receiving three calls an hour about abuse and since the referendum. --

:04:37. > :04:45.attacks. Yesterday graffiti was sprayed alone health centre in

:04:46. > :04:55.Torquay EU go home. -- saying EU rats going home. People who voted

:04:56. > :05:00.leave did not vote for this. I did not vote for their country to become

:05:01. > :05:04.a less welcoming and more hostile place but in the absence of action

:05:05. > :05:10.and leadership from the government that is exactly what is beginning to

:05:11. > :05:18.happen and it is only they can change it and the need to do so

:05:19. > :05:26.today. -- they need to do so. I wish to end on a personal note. I will

:05:27. > :05:30.give way. I thank my honourable friend for giving me a second time.

:05:31. > :05:34.Does he not agree with me that it would immensely help the government

:05:35. > :05:38.'s bargaining position with the other EU countries if the next

:05:39. > :05:43.British by Minister went to Brussels for the negotiations and said that

:05:44. > :05:49.they have already granted the right to remain? The position of the 1.3

:05:50. > :05:52.million British citizens would therefore be secured and it would

:05:53. > :06:01.help them and not hinder them as the Home Secretary suggest. It is

:06:02. > :06:07.impossible to deny simple power of what my honourable friend is said, a

:06:08. > :06:12.generous and open-minded gesture now to see the people are welcome here

:06:13. > :06:14.would not just improve our position negotiations and strengthen the

:06:15. > :06:17.position of British national is living abroad but would say

:06:18. > :06:21.something very important about our country and how it has not changed

:06:22. > :06:26.after the referendum and that is why they should do it. I want to end on

:06:27. > :06:34.a personal note, Madam Deputy Speaker. My wife is a Dutch national

:06:35. > :06:38.and has been here for 26 years since we met at university. In that time

:06:39. > :06:40.she's been a volunteer working with young people learning disabilities

:06:41. > :06:44.and being involved in children schools and run the business of

:06:45. > :06:48.implied people and following the death of a sister a decade ago has

:06:49. > :06:56.raised thousands and thousands of pounds through race for life for

:06:57. > :07:04.cancer research. She cried and cried after the Brexit result was

:07:05. > :07:10.announced and although she has paid taxi for 20 years she has not able

:07:11. > :07:13.to vote in that role and has not been able to vote in a general

:07:14. > :07:19.election although she often threatens me she would not vote for

:07:20. > :07:26.me she had bought. As a result of Brexit she and other foreign

:07:27. > :07:30.nationals could also lose the right to vote. That old saying no taxation

:07:31. > :07:33.without representation is not currently applied to the 3 million

:07:34. > :07:38.EU nationals currently living amongst this. You could say that

:07:39. > :07:45.this country is already treating them as second-class citizens. They

:07:46. > :07:51.will be even worse if we do not rectify the situation we are talking

:07:52. > :07:55.about today. I give way. I thank him for giving away because I can trace

:07:56. > :07:59.back that alienation he mentions in response to my honourable friend

:08:00. > :08:02.from Edinburgh used to the point where the House refused to give EU

:08:03. > :08:05.nationals the boat on this referendum as we are Scotland did

:08:06. > :08:09.during the independence referendum. Does he not know regret this

:08:10. > :08:16.decision made by the governing benches? I think this is entirely

:08:17. > :08:20.wrong, as I say, no taxation without representation. What happened to

:08:21. > :08:24.that? I can't defend a situation where British nationals have the

:08:25. > :08:28.boat even if they were living abroad but people living here and paying

:08:29. > :08:36.taxes you cannot. There is a basic unfairness that that needs to be

:08:37. > :08:40.corrected and I think we have got this wrong way round and I sincerely

:08:41. > :08:44.hope the government will act soon to confirm the legal right of those

:08:45. > :08:47.people be here. But rather than having a drug that grudgingly we

:08:48. > :08:51.should take this moment to do the opposite and show them how much we

:08:52. > :08:57.value them and give them that right to have their say at elections. And

:08:58. > :09:02.also to go further as the IPPR has suggested and I think the honourable

:09:03. > :09:05.members sing a moment ago Mark of Olympus assistantship for free to

:09:06. > :09:11.any national working in a national health service are any of our other

:09:12. > :09:21.public services. I will give way. -- or any other public services. I grew

:09:22. > :09:25.very much with what he's saying. That is nationals in other countries

:09:26. > :09:28.at the right to vote while EU nationals living here did not

:09:29. > :09:33.underline the crass nature of using the EU nationals living here as a

:09:34. > :09:37.bargaining chip in negotiations. It is despicable and should end. I

:09:38. > :09:41.could not agree more. As I have been outlining the speech the thrust of

:09:42. > :09:43.government policies are related to them as second-class citizens

:09:44. > :09:49.because they do not have the same borders to board as other citizens.

:09:50. > :09:52.If they are notably left in the lurch for two or three years at

:09:53. > :09:57.these negotiations carry on how will they be left feeling at the end of

:09:58. > :10:02.that process Christmas what think of our country and what other countries

:10:03. > :10:08.come think of us? I do not think any of us on the side of the House one

:10:09. > :10:12.that to be the case. There are big questions and they attract questions

:10:13. > :10:15.for another day. For today we are very simple decision to make. We

:10:16. > :10:18.have an opportunity to do the right thing and take away the Warriors by

:10:19. > :10:23.constituents and improve the climate on the streets of our communities.

:10:24. > :10:34.It is no secret that I have a high regard for the Home Secretary even

:10:35. > :10:38.going so hot the mac -- far as giving a backhanded Doris went on

:10:39. > :10:42.Twitter the weekend was that she has shown leadership and I urge her to

:10:43. > :10:45.do it again tonight to give her MPs adjustable to take the uncertainty

:10:46. > :10:50.away and return a degree of stability to an uncertain and what

:10:51. > :10:54.is country. By passing the motion before as we can send a simple

:10:55. > :10:57.message to those who have chosen to make their life here. We'll value

:10:58. > :11:09.you and you are welcome here. I give way. I wonder whether my honourable

:11:10. > :11:14.friend might be right also and invites the Secretary of State for

:11:15. > :11:16.Health to provide a statement of support for those EU citizens who

:11:17. > :11:22.are working in the health service and are at this moment receiving

:11:23. > :11:25.abuse from patients with whom they are working on the grounds that

:11:26. > :11:31.should not be working on the health service and they should be going on?

:11:32. > :11:36.Could you please invite the Health Secretary to undertake a very strong

:11:37. > :11:39.statement of support for all those EU citizens who are working in our

:11:40. > :11:43.health service and should have the right to stay the first long as

:11:44. > :11:55.there are services can be of good to this country? It is a crucially

:11:56. > :11:59.important point and I have the comment from a German GP who says I

:12:00. > :12:02.have lived and worked here for 16 years and it feels as a 50% of the

:12:03. > :12:06.population the UK does not want me here any more and feel as if a rug

:12:07. > :12:11.has been pulled out from my feet. If they felt no choice but to leave

:12:12. > :12:15.because they did not feel welcome what would happen to our health

:12:16. > :12:18.service? What would happen to the time that people are waiting for GP

:12:19. > :12:23.appointments? What would happen to the pressure on a and E and the

:12:24. > :12:27.pressure on hospital waiting list? Our NHS is utterly dependent on EU

:12:28. > :12:32.nationals come to work here and if they were to leave that would put

:12:33. > :12:37.the NHS and very severe risk and that is why this should act tonight.

:12:38. > :12:41.It is right for our public services and that is right for those

:12:42. > :12:45.individuals and their families and it is also right for us as a country

:12:46. > :12:54.to take this function action tonight. We can send this message

:12:55. > :12:57.out to load. People have expressed frustrations about the EU but our

:12:58. > :13:00.country and as people have not changed. We're still that same place

:13:01. > :13:06.that has been renowned world over for doing a fair and right thing and

:13:07. > :13:09.doing the decent thing and it is admitted all the chaos in our

:13:10. > :13:16.politics let's take a step back today towards sanity and pass this

:13:17. > :13:36.emotion overwhelmingly. James broken shower. --Brokenshire. The party

:13:37. > :13:45.opposite has called for a statement. I would echo some of the words from

:13:46. > :13:49.the Right honourable gentleman. In underlining the EU nationals in this

:13:50. > :13:53.country are truly valued members of our community and are welcome here.

:13:54. > :13:57.I think those were the words that he used and those are words that our

:13:58. > :14:04.sheer and wish to make at the outset of this debate. As today's motion

:14:05. > :14:06.makes clear that are approximately 3 million European Union nationals

:14:07. > :14:14.currently living in Britain. There can be no doubt that in this country

:14:15. > :14:20.EU nationals make an unviable contribution to our economy, our

:14:21. > :14:26.society and our daily lives. I would like to make some progress but I

:14:27. > :14:30.will give way and interventions. Up and the United Kingdom people from

:14:31. > :14:35.the European Union member states are caring for the elderly, then into

:14:36. > :14:40.the second hospitals are teaching our children, volunteering for our

:14:41. > :14:47.charities and setting up working in businesses and providing important

:14:48. > :14:56.local services. There are nearly 250,000 EU workers in the public

:14:57. > :15:02.server to -- sector. In September 2050 9.4% of NHS doctors and 6.3% of

:15:03. > :15:08.NHS nurses in England were from an EU country and there are almost

:15:09. > :15:14.125,000 EU students studying at UK universities. But more than this,

:15:15. > :15:21.everybody in this House and people up and down the country will hold EU

:15:22. > :15:27.nationals dear as friends, family members and members of their

:15:28. > :15:29.communities. So we can all recognise the contribution made to this

:15:30. > :15:37.country by EU nationals and they should be proud of the contribution

:15:38. > :15:46.they make to. I spot for choice, I give way. Over 4000 of these EU

:15:47. > :15:51.nationals live in my Banff and Buchan constituency and are doing

:15:52. > :15:54.essential jobs in our NHS and skills but also working in the private

:15:55. > :16:00.sector playing a critical role in our fish processing centres. The

:16:01. > :16:05.failure of the government and providing assurance for the future

:16:06. > :16:08.of these EU nationals is not just causing distress but also economic

:16:09. > :16:11.uncertainties will the Minister guarantee that people already living

:16:12. > :16:17.and working here will have the right to stay? I will come on to respond

:16:18. > :16:21.to the point she makes but I certainly do recognise the

:16:22. > :16:27.contribution so many EU citizens to make to be so many different aspects

:16:28. > :16:29.of our lives and the economy and the example is she is provided like the

:16:30. > :16:36.fishing industry in Scotland. I give way. As another case that both the

:16:37. > :16:39.government and the opposition and minority parties have a

:16:40. > :16:43.responsibility at this time to make sure that what we see and how we see

:16:44. > :16:48.it, particularly to those listening to this debate and putting on it, it

:16:49. > :16:51.is absolutely vital and can I welcome the fact that the mess of

:16:52. > :16:55.state is said that anybody needs to return home and is recognised

:16:56. > :16:59.contribution of new systems to both private and public sectors and I for

:17:00. > :17:08.one can say they are very welcome and structure. My honourable friend

:17:09. > :17:16.is absolute right. -- citizens. I will come on to come on to make more

:17:17. > :17:19.points in relation to the poster government is taking this up I will

:17:20. > :17:24.give way to the honourable gentleman. He will know that there

:17:25. > :17:27.has been a huge increase in hate crimes not just against EU nationals

:17:28. > :17:37.but against other foreign nationals as well in the UK. Mainly as a

:17:38. > :17:42.result of those extreme views on the excesses of the political margins

:17:43. > :17:49.becoming regretfully more mainstream as a result of the fallout from the

:17:50. > :17:53.23rd of June. Is the right thing to do not courses for once and for all

:17:54. > :18:00.to be we will put EU nationality issue to bed by seeing these people

:18:01. > :18:07.are welcome in an open and fair United Kingdom?

:18:08. > :18:20.Well, I will go on to talk about some of the issues in our

:18:21. > :18:23.communities. At this stage I want to give a very unequivocal message

:18:24. > :18:26.against those who perpetrate hate and division in our communities and

:18:27. > :18:30.in our societies. It is unacceptable that people should seek to cause

:18:31. > :18:38.division, to bully, to harass, to put graffiti on people's walls as a

:18:39. > :18:42.consequence simply of their nationality. It is why the police

:18:43. > :18:46.have taken firm action, it does not represent the country I believe in,

:18:47. > :18:51.and the Government will continue to take firm action against anybody who

:18:52. > :18:56.has been involved in that sort of activity. I thank him for giving

:18:57. > :19:02.way. In the week before the referendum vote, I spent time at 25

:19:03. > :19:07.schools, and it was heartbreaking to hear the children talking in terms

:19:08. > :19:12.of where my mum or dad have to go back. I never wanted this to occur

:19:13. > :19:16.in any event, and I take it a little salty for people on the other side

:19:17. > :19:22.of the camp you now proclaim the right to this. Can I asked him if he

:19:23. > :19:28.will refer reaffirm the position and say there will be no immediate

:19:29. > :19:34.changes of circumstances, nobody should be fearful right now? My

:19:35. > :19:38.honourable friend is right. There are no changes in relation to the

:19:39. > :19:44.current situation, we remain a member state of the EU, and

:19:45. > :19:50.therefore there is remain whilst we remain a member of the EU. Perhaps

:19:51. > :19:56.it would be helpful to the House if I could just respond very directly

:19:57. > :20:01.to I think the false claims that this Government in some ways sees EU

:20:02. > :20:07.citizens as bargaining chips. I will say this - in the approach the

:20:08. > :20:14.Government Tate and the agreements we make, we will never treat EU

:20:15. > :20:18.citizens as pawns in some kind of cynical game of negotiation chest.

:20:19. > :20:21.That does not represent the values of this country or the values of

:20:22. > :20:32.this Government in treating people who come to this country with

:20:33. > :20:36.dignity and respect. I give way. Would he just apologise that the

:20:37. > :20:42.Government has been woefully and inadequately underprepared on this

:20:43. > :20:46.vital issue? What I would say to the honourable lady is that this

:20:47. > :20:49.Government is taking these issues into very, very careful

:20:50. > :20:53.consideration. I will come on to explain some of the challengers,

:20:54. > :21:00.intricacies, and complexities that lie behind all of this. If I may

:21:01. > :21:04.just make a bit more progress, I will be very generous with the

:21:05. > :21:09.interventions, as I always am, we will look to secure a fair deal with

:21:10. > :21:15.EU citizens as we secure a fair deal for British citizens within the EU.

:21:16. > :21:20.That is a responsible approach and what we will do. We want to be able

:21:21. > :21:24.to guarantee the legal status of EU nationals who are living in the UK,

:21:25. > :21:29.and I am confident that we will be able to do just that. And we must

:21:30. > :21:33.also win the same rights for British nationals living in European

:21:34. > :21:37.countries, and it will be an early objective for the Government to

:21:38. > :21:41.achieve those things together. As the Prime Minister and the Home

:21:42. > :21:47.Secretary have made clear, and as I also stated on Monday, there will in

:21:48. > :21:50.any event be no immediate changes in the circumstances of the European

:21:51. > :21:55.nationals in the UK, and currently they can continue to enter and live

:21:56. > :21:58.in the UK as they have been doing. I give way to the right honourable

:21:59. > :22:02.gentleman. I am struggling to follow the logic of the Minister's

:22:03. > :22:06.position. He made a very angry statement a minute ago that they

:22:07. > :22:09.were not pawns, but he is saying explicitly that there is a

:22:10. > :22:21.negotiation here and they are not going to make commitments until they

:22:22. > :22:24.have got commitments over there. That is decidedly what they are. Why

:22:25. > :22:26.is he linking the two Mac issues? Why does he not say to people

:22:27. > :22:28.living, working and paying taxes here that they are welcome to stay

:22:29. > :22:31.and deliver over the British rational is issue another day? As I

:22:32. > :22:35.said in response to the urgent question earlier this week, it is

:22:36. > :22:39.important that we look at the issues together. It is important that we

:22:40. > :22:44.look at these matters in this way. As I have said, I am confident that

:22:45. > :22:48.we will be able to work to Izaguirre guarantee the legal status of EU

:22:49. > :22:52.nationals living here, in conjunction with the rights of

:22:53. > :22:56.British citizens -- working to secure. It is important that the

:22:57. > :23:01.Government actually does fights fight for the rights of British

:23:02. > :23:04.citizens as well. I am genuinely surprised that the right honourable

:23:05. > :23:09.gentleman is in some way questioning that. It is notable that in his

:23:10. > :23:13.motion he does not make any reference to that at all. I should

:23:14. > :23:17.also tell the House, and I would like to make this point, because I

:23:18. > :23:23.think it is important to get this on record, it is important to tell the

:23:24. > :23:26.House that those who are being continually, you lawfully resident

:23:27. > :23:31.in the UK for five years qualify for permanent residency. I think that is

:23:32. > :23:36.an important point to make for some of those people who have raised

:23:37. > :23:41.points about their constituents or their family members who have been

:23:42. > :23:45.in this country for a long time, that those rights already exist, and

:23:46. > :23:50.therefore they should have no fear in that way. There is no current

:23:51. > :23:54.requirement for them to apply for documentation from Home Office to

:23:55. > :23:58.acquire the status. I will give way to my honourable friend. I am

:23:59. > :24:02.grateful to him, and for the efforts that he is clearly making to fight

:24:03. > :24:07.for the interests of both UK citizens in the EU and EU citizens

:24:08. > :24:10.in the UK. I asked the Prime Minister earlier a question about

:24:11. > :24:16.investment in this country, two of the largest inward investors in my

:24:17. > :24:19.constituency have asked me to push for the strongest possible

:24:20. > :24:23.negotiation on behalf of EU citizens already in this country being able

:24:24. > :24:27.to say, many of whom alongside thousands of local people are there

:24:28. > :24:33.employees in more stuff. I am grateful to the assurances he is

:24:34. > :24:39.given, but -- they're in for use in Winchester. I ask for that to be a

:24:40. > :24:42.priority. I can certainly give him precisely that reassurance. The

:24:43. > :24:48.Government fully appreciates the importance of giving surgeons

:24:49. > :24:52.certainty EU citizens -- giving certainty. Addressing this issue is

:24:53. > :24:56.a priority that we intend to deal with as soon as possible. If I may

:24:57. > :25:00.just finish this point, as the prime that has made clear, decisions on

:25:01. > :25:05.issues relating to the UK's exit to the EU will need to be made by the

:25:06. > :25:11.new Prime Minister. I'm grateful to my honourable friend. I think this

:25:12. > :25:15.is the problem. He is going to need to give reassurance to EU citizens

:25:16. > :25:20.in the United Kingdom long before the moment we leave the European

:25:21. > :25:23.Union. And the problem about linking the problem of British citizens in

:25:24. > :25:29.the EU is that it is very unlikely to be a deal last leaving the EU

:25:30. > :25:32.until we actually leave the EU. Getting certainty about British

:25:33. > :25:35.citizens cannot be linked to the positions of EU citizens. It is

:25:36. > :25:41.wrong in principle, and we would be much better off securing their

:25:42. > :25:45.position by making a generous statement now. I understand there

:25:46. > :25:49.are legal implications of EU citizens coming to the UK from now,

:25:50. > :25:53.perhaps that is the issue that we should be focusing on, understanding

:25:54. > :25:57.those difficulties. It is the link with British citizens that is

:25:58. > :26:01.causing all these problems. I think it is important that this government

:26:02. > :26:04.does stand up for the rights of British citizens overseas. I am

:26:05. > :26:07.surprised if in some way my honourable friend is questioning

:26:08. > :26:13.that, it is the responsibility of Government to fight for the rights

:26:14. > :26:18.of purchaser to them. As I have indicated, -- the rights of British

:26:19. > :26:22.citizens. This will be a matter for the new Prime Minister. But this

:26:23. > :26:29.will be an urgent priority, for all of the reasons the members have

:26:30. > :26:36.said. I give way to the honourable lady. Thank you, Minister, for

:26:37. > :26:40.giving way. You have been very generous with letting people

:26:41. > :26:43.intervene. My constituent Mrs Pearson is a Maltese national who

:26:44. > :26:49.has lived in the UK for 42 years. She has bowled her life in Scotland

:26:50. > :26:51.and has contributed not only economic league but socially and

:26:52. > :26:56.culturally. Does the Minister not agree with me that it is absolutely

:26:57. > :27:04.absurd that my 78 old constituent is having to live in worried when the

:27:05. > :27:08.Government can sort this out now. Will she have indefinitely to

:27:09. > :27:11.remain? I hope that the honourable lady did note what I said earlier on

:27:12. > :27:17.about those who have been here lawfully than five years having that

:27:18. > :27:21.right of permanent residence. That was why I was very careful and firm

:27:22. > :27:26.in making that point, because I think that there has been, there

:27:27. > :27:30.have been people who have raised concerns in this way, well, as I did

:27:31. > :27:34.in response to the urgent question, I wanted to make that point quite

:27:35. > :27:38.specific and clear to give precisely that sort of reassurance that her

:27:39. > :27:41.constituent I think needs, and I hope in saying what I have said that

:27:42. > :27:48.does give that reassurance. I give way. He referred to European

:27:49. > :27:55.students in his statement, a concern that I share, I think this is an

:27:56. > :27:59.area of priority, I hope that we will be able to give students

:28:00. > :28:03.reassurance that they can continue their degree courses. The Department

:28:04. > :28:07.for business have been actively involved in precisely this issue in

:28:08. > :28:11.giving reassurance to students who are about to embark on studies in

:28:12. > :28:17.relation to this, and this was a point that I was intending to come

:28:18. > :28:22.onto later on in my contribution. Of course I will give way, I will

:28:23. > :28:26.always be generous to her. Thank you, Minister, for giving way. Does

:28:27. > :28:32.he accept that there is a cruel irony in what he is saying today, in

:28:33. > :28:37.that many of those who fought for Britain to vote to leave the

:28:38. > :28:40.European Union did so on the principle that we would maintain

:28:41. > :28:43.sovereignty over our own decision-making, but when we as a

:28:44. > :28:47.House today could vote unconditionally to give the EU

:28:48. > :28:53.citizens that are currently in the UK security about their status, he

:28:54. > :28:59.is choosing to provide an link the decisions to the EU. If this House

:29:00. > :29:01.votes for this motion, is that an unequivocal statement, the

:29:02. > :29:05.sovereignty of the UK Parliament, and giving these people the safety

:29:06. > :29:10.they deserve? I do say to her and reiterate that we will act fairly in

:29:11. > :29:15.relation to the steps that we take, and it is important for us to do

:29:16. > :29:19.this with a core micro head in a calm way to get the best outcomes

:29:20. > :29:26.for EU citizens that are here -- in a court heard. As well as for

:29:27. > :29:29.British citizens overseas. -- in a cool head. There are further

:29:30. > :29:34.considerations which must be taken into account. As I said on Monday,

:29:35. > :29:37.it has been suggested by members of this House and others beyond that

:29:38. > :29:44.the Government could fully guarantee EU nationals the right to stay now.

:29:45. > :29:48.But where would the right honourable gentleman draw the line? He has

:29:49. > :29:53.suggested the 23rd of June, but what about the 24th of June, what about

:29:54. > :29:58.EU nationals who arrived later than we, or those who arrive in the

:29:59. > :30:01.autumn to study at our world-class universities, or should we draw the

:30:02. > :30:08.line in the future for example, at the point at which Article 50

:30:09. > :30:12.invoked? Alongside work to protect the rights of EU nationals in the

:30:13. > :30:15.UK, it is the Goverment's duty to protect the rights of those UK

:30:16. > :30:19.nationals currently residing in countries across the EU, just as EU

:30:20. > :30:27.nationals are making a tremendous contribution to life, so, too, UK

:30:28. > :30:29.nationals have contributed to the economies and societies of the

:30:30. > :30:37.countries belonging to the EU. I give way once again. Surely the 23rd

:30:38. > :30:41.of June was the moment the position changed. Therefore anybody who came

:30:42. > :30:44.in before that date came in under a different situation. And you can

:30:45. > :30:50.easily trace everything to that date. On this linkage with British

:30:51. > :30:54.nationals, the Government has a responsibility to people who are

:30:55. > :30:59.living here today who are worried about their future, who are feeling

:31:00. > :31:03.insecure. Why is he saying that people who have chosen voluntarily

:31:04. > :31:06.to make a life in another country are as important if not more

:31:07. > :31:10.important to the Government than those already here in our

:31:11. > :31:13.communities? Do I therefore understand that in some way the

:31:14. > :31:19.right honourable gentleman is saying that we should not be standing up

:31:20. > :31:23.for British citizens? They are British citizens, wherever they may

:31:24. > :31:26.be in the world, and it is important that we ensure that there are

:31:27. > :31:33.appropriate protections for British citizens, whether in off in the EU,

:31:34. > :31:38.and also in relation to EU citizens who are here. So that I think is

:31:39. > :31:42.important. Just to come back in quality to his point in relation to

:31:43. > :31:48.the timing issue on the 23rd of June. I-mate the point that I did

:31:49. > :31:53.about the 24th of June. We remain a member state, and we are subject to

:31:54. > :31:58.all of the EU laws and requirements in that regard. What I savoury

:31:59. > :32:02.firmly is that drawing cut-off dates is not as straightforward as he is

:32:03. > :32:06.suggesting because of the continuing rights that would exist in relation

:32:07. > :32:09.to EU citizens who have arrived since the referendum result in

:32:10. > :32:14.ensuring that this issue is properly addressed. Of course I give way to

:32:15. > :32:18.the right honourable lady. I thank him for giving way. He is right to

:32:19. > :32:22.say that we should be concerned about the interests of British

:32:23. > :32:26.expats. Perhaps he could tell the House whether he has been in touch

:32:27. > :32:28.with the Spanish Interior Minister or other ministers across the EU, or

:32:29. > :32:41.whether this is simply words and they

:32:42. > :32:44.delaying strategy? And if he has been in touch with any of them, can

:32:45. > :32:46.he tell us whether any of those other government want to play a

:32:47. > :32:49.trading game about people's lives and other citizens? I don't believe

:32:50. > :32:52.they do. If they don't, why can't he just get on with this, listen to all

:32:53. > :32:56.the people on all sides of the House and just give some guarantees now to

:32:57. > :33:02.the EU citizens who are subtle peer? -- who are settled here.

:33:03. > :33:09.All we want to be able to give certainty at the earliest possible

:33:10. > :33:14.opportunity but it is not as straightforward as he suggests for

:33:15. > :33:18.the points I have already raised. There are conversations taking place

:33:19. > :33:23.at different levels of Government with other member states as well and

:33:24. > :33:29.clearly we want to see this certainty is provided for British

:33:30. > :33:33.citizens in EU states as well as EU citizens here and that is why I make

:33:34. > :33:38.the point about this being a priority. We should not pretend this

:33:39. > :33:43.is a straightforward task. There are a range of practical, financial and

:33:44. > :33:47.legal considerations. As part of this the Government will have to

:33:48. > :33:53.consider the range of circumstances and the forms of protections. For

:33:54. > :33:56.example, an EU student might have differing requirements to an EU

:33:57. > :34:02.students just graduated from university rather than one just

:34:03. > :34:05.embarking on a higher education course. Under free movement of all

:34:06. > :34:11.EU citizens rights are far broader than just the right to reside in the

:34:12. > :34:15.UK. There are employment rights, benefits and pensions, rights of

:34:16. > :34:20.access to public services, rights to run a business which is closely

:34:21. > :34:26.aligned to the Mac aligned with the ability to provide as the ability to

:34:27. > :34:34.be joined by family members, in some cases are from countries outside the

:34:35. > :34:40.EU. Under current arrangements this extends to EAA and Swiss nationals.

:34:41. > :34:46.We must remember you do not have to register with the EU authorities to

:34:47. > :34:52.enjoy basic rights to reside so we must work out how we identify the

:34:53. > :34:55.people fairly and properly who defected.

:34:56. > :34:58.It is possible to make life exceedingly difficult and that is

:34:59. > :35:04.what the Immigration Minister is trying to do. Good he listen to what

:35:05. > :35:13.the member for lady said which is straightforward, EU citizens rights

:35:14. > :35:18.to residency from the 23rd of June, we acknowledge those rights.

:35:19. > :35:23.I hear that desire for that simplicity but it is not as

:35:24. > :35:27.straightforward as I think the honourable lady would like to

:35:28. > :35:32.present and perhaps she might reflect on some of the themes I have

:35:33. > :35:37.highlighted. It is important we get this right, not just for now but for

:35:38. > :35:42.the years to come and that is why it is about getting the right deal, the

:35:43. > :35:47.Fed deal for those here and that is what we remain committed to do. That

:35:48. > :35:52.might be fearless to deal. There will be detailed and painstaking

:35:53. > :35:56.work examining each of these rights and the circumstances people find

:35:57. > :36:02.themselves in to make sure there are no unforeseen or unintended

:36:03. > :36:05.consequences. The unit will work in close consultation with all

:36:06. > :36:10.Government departments and it is important for the house today to

:36:11. > :36:15.underline to EU nationals we do continue that will, for them here in

:36:16. > :36:19.the UK. Alongside the statements made by the Prime Minister stating

:36:20. > :36:23.that will be no immediate changes the circumstances of EU nationals,

:36:24. > :36:27.the Department for business, innovation and skills has published

:36:28. > :36:31.guidance for EU students to provide additional and the assurance that

:36:32. > :36:35.those who are about to embark upon a course and I hope that is helpful to

:36:36. > :36:41.my honourable friend and the point he has highlighted. I give way.

:36:42. > :36:46.As if the London MP and show my right honourable friend has had many

:36:47. > :36:51.letters from EU migrants working hard in this country but also from

:36:52. > :36:55.former residents who live abroad. Does he agree that whole issue of EU

:36:56. > :36:59.migrants living here and Brits living abroad should be separated

:37:00. > :37:04.from the main negotiations and dealt with first and as a priority,

:37:05. > :37:08.between heads of state, now. We all have an interest in preserving the

:37:09. > :37:14.status of EU Brits though it might migrants here and Brits abroad. As

:37:15. > :37:18.indicated in other interventions this is a priority for the

:37:19. > :37:23.Government and we recognise the issues that have been highlighted by

:37:24. > :37:29.colleagues across the house. That is why this is an issue that is being

:37:30. > :37:34.given that emphasis and priority within Government for the reasons he

:37:35. > :37:41.has highlighted today. It is important we do, despite those

:37:42. > :37:47.across the house of whom sought, I think unfairly, to try to sort out

:37:48. > :37:53.and create uncertainty, that there is... There is a message of the

:37:54. > :37:59.assurance that we should take from the contributions that have been

:38:00. > :38:05.made and the statements we give with the intent of resolving these issues

:38:06. > :38:08.quickly. In recent days, I will make this one point and then give way to

:38:09. > :38:13.the honourable gentleman. In recent days we have seen some appalling

:38:14. > :38:19.hate crimes perpetrated against EU nationals and others in the UK.

:38:20. > :38:23.These included damage to a Polish community centre in Hammersmith,

:38:24. > :38:26.hateful leaflets being targeted at children in Cambridgeshire. As well

:38:27. > :38:31.as abuse hurled at people walking in the streets. The Metropolitan Police

:38:32. > :38:38.said 67 hit crimes are being reported every day to them. Hit

:38:39. > :38:42.crime of any kind has no place in our society. -- hate crime. We will

:38:43. > :38:49.not stand for that and they should be investigated. I will give way to

:38:50. > :38:54.the honourable gentleman. He mentions the pack in Hammersmith

:38:55. > :38:59.which has been extremely sobering. But we are waiting to hear whether

:39:00. > :39:03.he will support the motion for the honourable gentleman from Oxbridge

:39:04. > :39:08.tonight. It sounds like you once and he is under instructions not to

:39:09. > :39:13.which makes it doubly bad that his boss is not here. I spoke to one of

:39:14. > :39:17.my constituents in the education centre and many of their parents are

:39:18. > :39:22.born outside of the UK and I saw your concern on their faces. That is

:39:23. > :39:26.what we are living with and that is why it would need an answer to this

:39:27. > :39:30.question today and not in two years' time.

:39:31. > :39:35.As I indicated, this is a clear priority in relation to the

:39:36. > :39:42.agreements with our EU partners and it is absolutely rights we condemn

:39:43. > :39:53.the activities of anyone selling those sorts of incidents within the

:39:54. > :40:00.honourable gentleman constituency -- sowing those sorts of incidents. I

:40:01. > :40:06.believe we will be successful in securing those rights and the fair

:40:07. > :40:12.way that we will seek to treat those EU national who are here. Hate crime

:40:13. > :40:17.of any kind is the big Mac has no place in our society and we will not

:40:18. > :40:24.stand for this tax and they will be dealt with firmly. I am grateful to

:40:25. > :40:28.the Minister for different way. He highlighted the issues of hate crime

:40:29. > :40:34.and the responsibility of us all to look after the citizens here. I say

:40:35. > :40:38.to the Minister, when you come and meet the constituents we are. I had

:40:39. > :40:42.a young French teacher in my constituency in fear and alarm as to

:40:43. > :40:47.whether she can stay here long term. Why cannot we do the right thing

:40:48. > :40:51.today and say those people who are here are citizens of our country and

:40:52. > :40:55.deserve the full rights and support. This is nothing to do what

:40:56. > :41:00.negotiation with Europe. Take that of the table and do the right thing

:41:01. > :41:06.for those in this country. And that is why, as I have said on a

:41:07. > :41:11.number of occasions during this debate, why we are working and will

:41:12. > :41:14.work to guarantee the rights of those here, in conjunction with

:41:15. > :41:20.protecting the rights of British citizens as well. I do remain

:41:21. > :41:23.confident we will be able to do that and it is therefore that message of

:41:24. > :41:29.the assurance that people should take from this in terms of the

:41:30. > :41:32.intent of this Government is acting fairly and appropriately. Those are

:41:33. > :41:36.the values I stand for and that is the approach we will take and the

:41:37. > :41:41.approach we are seeking to achieve in relation to this. I give way to

:41:42. > :41:45.my honourable friend. Can overcome the reassurances the

:41:46. > :41:48.Minister has given to the house. It appears there is some sort of

:41:49. > :41:53.misunderstanding about the status of EU nationals in the minds of some

:41:54. > :41:57.Members of Parliament. If that is the case here that it is more likely

:41:58. > :42:01.to be the case outside or as likely and I just wondered, on a practical

:42:02. > :42:05.step, as the Home Office put something on the website to state

:42:06. > :42:10.what their status as both now and in the future?

:42:11. > :42:14.I can say to my honourable friend we are clear as to the existing rights

:42:15. > :42:24.of EU citizens, as I made the points. I am also convening a

:42:25. > :42:29.meeting with ambassadors of EU member states to explain the steps

:42:30. > :42:32.we are taking an response to threats and communities and also to

:42:33. > :42:38.undermine some of the key messages I have been living here today --

:42:39. > :42:43.underlying. So they can get only assurance to their citizens and

:42:44. > :42:51.their contacted in this way. The honourable gentleman wanted to -- I

:42:52. > :42:55.will give way. I just want to clear one thing up before this exchange

:42:56. > :43:00.conference. That is how the Government is proposing to vote on

:43:01. > :43:04.this motion tonight because he has not mention that, although to listen

:43:05. > :43:08.to him you would get the impression they are getting ready to vote

:43:09. > :43:12.against it. I get the sense that maybe a suggestion the Government

:43:13. > :43:15.might abstain. Can we be clear, if the Government abstained on this

:43:16. > :43:22.notion it will be there be carried by this house and that should be the

:43:23. > :43:27.message that goes out tonight that people are welcome here and will be

:43:28. > :43:32.able to see you. -- be able to stay here.

:43:33. > :43:38.Perhaps the honourable gentleman will follow this as I clarify it. EU

:43:39. > :43:42.nationals can have powerful and reserve the to enter, work, study

:43:43. > :43:49.and live in the UK remains unchanged. We value the tremendous

:43:50. > :43:53.contribution they make every day in towns, cities and villages across

:43:54. > :43:58.the country and we fully expect the legal status of EU nationals living

:43:59. > :44:03.in the UK and that of UK nationals in EU member states will be properly

:44:04. > :44:08.protected, given both the UK and the EU wants to maintain a close

:44:09. > :44:13.relationship, we are confident we will work together and both EU and

:44:14. > :44:16.British citizens will be protected through a reciprocal arrangements.

:44:17. > :44:21.As part of the negotiations we want to be able to conclude these matters

:44:22. > :44:24.as quickly as possible and therefore with those themes contained within

:44:25. > :44:29.the right honourable gentlemen motion, we have great sympathy and

:44:30. > :44:34.alignment with him. I do not think we are that far apart. Any decision

:44:35. > :44:43.to pre-empt future negotiations with risk undermining our ability to

:44:44. > :44:47.Nichols arrangements and put at risk EU and British nationals alike. That

:44:48. > :44:51.is why, while I recognise a number of the points made in the right

:44:52. > :44:58.honourable gentlemen's motion, we are unable to support his motion

:44:59. > :45:02.tonight order. He has finished his speech. Can I

:45:03. > :45:08.give advance notice there will be a six minute limit on backbench

:45:09. > :45:15.speeches, which does not apply to the SNP front bench spokesperson,

:45:16. > :45:19.Stuart MacDonald. The day after the referendum,

:45:20. > :45:22.Scotland's First Minister panic that the nationals of other EU states and

:45:23. > :45:28.told them, you remain welcome here. This is your home and your

:45:29. > :45:35.contribution is valid. -- First Minister addressed EU nationals.

:45:36. > :45:39.That was a statement echoed by the Shadow Home Secretary today. That

:45:40. > :45:44.statement and this motion have our full support. In contrast, the Home

:45:45. > :45:49.Secretary's comments at the weekend were gravely misjudged, causing

:45:50. > :45:54.apprehension where they did not have to be any and creating uncertainty

:45:55. > :45:58.when she has the power to provide clarity. What makes this situation

:45:59. > :46:02.all the more frustrating and the ridiculous as, for reasons I will

:46:03. > :46:08.come through, it seems blindingly obvious EU nationals will be able to

:46:09. > :46:11.be made here as and when and if Brexit archives. But people must

:46:12. > :46:16.hear that loud and clear from the Home Secretary and she must put that

:46:17. > :46:22.beyond any doubt. On Monday members on both sides united to tell the

:46:23. > :46:26.Home Secretary to do just that and I have no doubt the same will happen

:46:27. > :46:32.today. The same arguments, based on simple common decency and on common

:46:33. > :46:36.sense, the main overwhelming and unanswerable. We have heard already

:46:37. > :46:40.and will here again today, honourable members about friends and

:46:41. > :46:44.family, colleagues and constituents from other member states who are not

:46:45. > :46:49.uncertain about their own future. We have heard and will here again about

:46:50. > :46:52.the value that key personnel and vital public service workers from

:46:53. > :46:58.other EU countries whose future is now seem uncertain. It is utterly

:46:59. > :47:00.unacceptable to expect people to live their wives with such

:47:01. > :47:09.uncertainty and it is a disgraceful way to treat EU citizens -- to live

:47:10. > :47:14.their lives. It is abundantly clear from what the Minister has said he

:47:15. > :47:19.wants to get us to a position whereby EU citizens can and will

:47:20. > :47:23.remain in the country. But sympathy and expressions are not enough.

:47:24. > :47:28.Clarity and the assurance now is what is essential and can and should

:47:29. > :47:31.be delivered. Because the reasons offered by the Government for

:47:32. > :47:38.refusing to provide that clarity absurd and bizarre. On Monday the

:47:39. > :47:42.Minister was unhappy at the use of terms such as a bargaining chip, but

:47:43. > :47:47.his own words with security status of EU migrants in the UK needs to be

:47:48. > :47:52.part of the negotiations, alongside the status of UK citizens in the EU.

:47:53. > :47:57.That sounds and looks exactly like a bargaining chip and it is a

:47:58. > :48:01.bargaining chip. As has honourable friends have said. The purposes of

:48:02. > :48:04.using the rights of EU citizens as bargaining chips that is why the

:48:05. > :48:14.Government is not guaranteeing them. This is as absurd as it is wrong and

:48:15. > :48:18.unethical, because it is a rubbish bargaining chip. How credible is it

:48:19. > :48:24.for the next Prime Minister to tell EU states, if you don't give us what

:48:25. > :48:28.we want, we will cut off our nose to this white our own face? To say that

:48:29. > :48:34.we are not getting the deal we are demanding, -- to spite our own face.

:48:35. > :48:37.The Shadow Home Secretary, and indeed the chair of the Foreign

:48:38. > :48:42.Affairs Select Committee, have already secured the logic of that

:48:43. > :48:45.tit-for-tat approach. Does he agree with me that the best way to protect

:48:46. > :48:49.the rights of British citizens living in other parts of the EU is

:48:50. > :48:55.to give a simple reassurance that EU nationals living here will have

:48:56. > :48:59.their rights protected? Absolutely. It is not a complicated matter. If

:49:00. > :49:03.we can persuade the Home Secretary on the grounds of common decency and

:49:04. > :49:07.common sense, which sometimes happens on immigration debates

:49:08. > :49:12.unfortunately, perhaps we can appeal on herself interests by pointing out

:49:13. > :49:17.that she is making a fool of herself by taking this approach. I genuinely

:49:18. > :49:22.believe and certainly hope that I am not naive in saying that I do not

:49:23. > :49:24.believe for a minute that the Government is even contemplating

:49:25. > :49:28.removing the rights of EU migrants, I think all the members of this

:49:29. > :49:31.House knows that, the Minister knows that and he did everything he could

:49:32. > :49:39.do tend to that on Monday without saying it explicitly. Everybody

:49:40. > :49:43.involved in negotiations knows it, too. Sadly, Madam Deputy Speaker,

:49:44. > :49:46.the people who really, really matter in all of this, the EU nationals

:49:47. > :49:52.themselves, they don't know it because the Home Secretary is not

:49:53. > :49:55.saying get, and the climate they are living in tells them the opposite.

:49:56. > :50:03.The Home Secretary needs to fix that now. He talked about our sporting of

:50:04. > :50:07.an nose to spite our face. -- cutting off our nose. I met with the

:50:08. > :50:13.principal of Edinburgh Napier University in my constituency last

:50:14. > :50:16.Friday. She has been advised that potential staff members are

:50:17. > :50:20.withdrawing job offers. Does he agree that if this uncertainty is

:50:21. > :50:23.allowed to continue, it will seriously damage the university

:50:24. > :50:27.sector in Scotland and across the United Kingdom? I thank her for that

:50:28. > :50:31.intervention, and that is exactly the sort of thing we are talking

:50:32. > :50:35.about in terms of uncertainty, a perfect example of uncertainty that

:50:36. > :50:39.has to be brought to an end. As my honourable friend has said, this

:50:40. > :50:44.does not require a detailed statement on the precise mechanisms

:50:45. > :50:48.for implementing it, just a simple statement that all EU nationals in

:50:49. > :50:53.the UK today will continue to enjoy leave to remain in the UK regardless

:50:54. > :50:57.of Brexit and that they will enjoy this on as favourable conditions as

:50:58. > :51:02.now. That simple sentence from Home Secretary is all that is required.

:51:03. > :51:07.As the chair of the Home Affairs Select Committee said, it is also

:51:08. > :51:12.absurd to argue that in any way the UK's position in Brexit talks would

:51:13. > :51:17.be undermined by such a move. On the contrary, it would show we are

:51:18. > :51:21.approaching the negotiations in good faith, realistically and with

:51:22. > :51:28.integrity of. The Home Secretary's posturing on the other hand will

:51:29. > :51:34.engender that blood. I am grateful to him. He mentioned one group who

:51:35. > :51:37.still feel uncertainty are EU citizens living in the UK, would he

:51:38. > :51:44.also agree that another group who need to be told on no uncertain

:51:45. > :51:47.terms that people are welcome the racists who are carrying out

:51:48. > :51:50.attacks, they need to be given the message that these people are

:51:51. > :51:55.welcome here and they are here to stay forever if they want to? My

:51:56. > :51:59.honourable friend is spot-on, that is an issue that I will come to very

:52:00. > :52:04.shortly. As I said, the Home Secretary is negotiating position,

:52:05. > :52:09.it is complete and that's nonsense. Sadly that is not in keeping with

:52:10. > :52:14.too much of Home Secretary's immigration policy, and indeed too

:52:15. > :52:18.much of what passes for debate on matters of immigration. That leads

:52:19. > :52:21.me to the final point. Since the referendum result, members of this

:52:22. > :52:25.House have quite rightly gone out of their way to recognise the hugely

:52:26. > :52:29.positive contribution made by nationals of other countries,

:52:30. > :52:36.including other EU countries, to the UK's society. We have condemned

:52:37. > :52:40.racism and hostility that many are encountering. There can be no shadow

:52:41. > :52:45.of doubt that political discourse and rhetoric both during and prior

:52:46. > :52:51.to the EU referendum has been a factor in legitimising and

:52:52. > :52:56.emboldening that xenophobia. The intemperate talk of swarms and waves

:52:57. > :53:02.and benefit tourists and NHS tourism and the explicit Government role of

:53:03. > :53:06.creating a hostile climate. It has been acquiescent, instead of taking

:53:07. > :53:10.on the head loss, too many have sought to heed their rhetoric. There

:53:11. > :53:15.has been empty policy after empty policy focused only on numbers. The

:53:16. > :53:19.other major component of migration policy, integration and planning, is

:53:20. > :53:23.completely and utterly neglected. These failures perceive the current

:53:24. > :53:29.Government by many years, but there can be no greater example than the

:53:30. > :53:33.net migration target. Every quarter we go through the same political

:53:34. > :53:36.pantomime of the Government wildly missing the target, and the official

:53:37. > :53:40.opposition demanding that something must be done even though it doesn't

:53:41. > :53:44.have any idea what that something is. Everybody in this chamber knows

:53:45. > :53:48.that the net migration target is a complete mess, whether or not we are

:53:49. > :53:52.in the EU. It has allowed the poisonous fiction to grow that the

:53:53. > :53:55.presence of EU nationals and others in this country is some sort of

:53:56. > :53:59.terrible problem and a problem that can be solved simply by turning off

:54:00. > :54:02.the migration tap without consequence. Getting EU nationals to

:54:03. > :54:07.leave with therefore be a good thing. It is absolutely no

:54:08. > :54:13.coincidence I am grateful to him for giving way. I dust wanted to see

:54:14. > :54:16.whether his understanding is the same as mine. We got an indication

:54:17. > :54:19.at the end of the Minister's speech that the Government is planning to

:54:20. > :54:28.abstain on this motion to Mike, and it is a motion motion which gives EU

:54:29. > :54:32.nationals right to remain. Does he agree that if there are enough

:54:33. > :54:36.people on this side of the House to carry this motion, that this is the

:54:37. > :54:39.position of the House of Commons, there is a resolution that people

:54:40. > :54:45.can stay, and furthermore they would not be able to take that away from

:54:46. > :54:49.people? I am grateful to him for his intervention, and I certainly hope

:54:50. > :54:52.that that transpires and becomes the case. The message should go out loud

:54:53. > :54:55.and clear that it is the will of Parliament that all the EU nationals

:54:56. > :54:59.in this country now will continue to enjoy the rights that they have to

:55:00. > :55:03.stay and on the same terms and conditions. What I am also asking

:55:04. > :55:08.the House to do today is the thinking again about how we approach

:55:09. > :55:11.the debate on immigration. As I was going to say, it is absolutely no

:55:12. > :55:17.comments did in my mind that what was already the desperate campaign

:55:18. > :55:23.went completely off the rails during the referendum. On the 26th of May,

:55:24. > :55:26.when the latest net migration figures were published, politicians

:55:27. > :55:31.turned the net migration target into some sort of Holy Grail, when in

:55:32. > :55:34.actual fact it is unattainable and we have reaped the disastrous

:55:35. > :55:44.consequences in the week since those results. I am grateful to him for

:55:45. > :55:48.giving way. I wonder, I don't speak for a minute to suggest that this is

:55:49. > :55:52.SNP policy, but something that has been on my mind for a number of

:55:53. > :55:55.years is that given we know the economic benefits of immigration,

:55:56. > :55:59.why don't we shifted away from the Home Office into the Treasury,

:56:00. > :56:02.wouldn't that perhaps sued the terms?

:56:03. > :56:11.LAUGHTER I think he makes a very valid point!

:56:12. > :56:16.It is time to do things very, very differently. A few months back, I

:56:17. > :56:20.met a professor from Edinburgh University who had arranged a

:56:21. > :56:23.discussion about the dangerous disconnect between political

:56:24. > :56:27.rhetoric and reality when it comes to immigration. She highlighted the

:56:28. > :56:30.launch by the German government back in 2000 of a cross-party commission

:56:31. > :56:35.on immigration. The German immigration commission brought

:56:36. > :56:39.together many different parties as well as representatives of business,

:56:40. > :56:42.trade unions, religious and migrant groups and experts. It allowed for

:56:43. > :56:49.evidence -based discussion on all aspects of immigration and sought to

:56:50. > :56:54.build consensus. It examined Germany's demographic and economic

:56:55. > :56:57.needs, as well as the challenges of integration. Perhaps most

:56:58. > :57:01.significantly, it changed the whole tenor of debate in Germany,

:57:02. > :57:04.normalising the idea that Germany was and would need to remain a

:57:05. > :57:07.country of immigration and encouraging a more grounded and

:57:08. > :57:12.actually formed discussion of what that would entail. We can perhaps

:57:13. > :57:16.learn as well from the government of Canada, which just yesterday

:57:17. > :57:20.launched a national conversation on immigration. It's starting point is

:57:21. > :57:24.that although times and conditions may have changed, 21st-century

:57:25. > :57:30.newcomers to Canada have obtained economic spirit, enriched Canada and

:57:31. > :57:37.ensured Canada remains dynamic. Canada's strength lies in its

:57:38. > :57:42.domestic, and the story of immigration is inseparable from

:57:43. > :57:46.Canada. It seeks to engage all its citizens in a grown-up discussion of

:57:47. > :57:51.all the key questions from how many newcomers should be welcomed to

:57:52. > :57:55.Canada to is it important for Canada to continue to show leadership in

:57:56. > :58:05.global migration, if so, how can we best do that. I think that... Do I

:58:06. > :58:09.detect he is advocating an Australian style points immigration

:58:10. > :58:16.system? I don't know where she gets that I idea from. I haven't

:58:17. > :58:19.mentioned Australia. I am talking about the Canadian national

:58:20. > :58:23.conversation. What that national conversation document does, it asks

:58:24. > :58:27.all the key questions and asks for a grown-up debate on as well as how

:58:28. > :58:32.many newcomers should be welcomed to Canada in 2017 and beyond, it asks

:58:33. > :58:36.how important is it for Canada to continue to show leadership in

:58:37. > :58:41.global migration. I think that even by asking those requested and having

:58:42. > :58:45.that grown-up conversation, Canada is already showing leadership. It is

:58:46. > :58:51.time for politicians here to follow that example. As well as praising EU

:58:52. > :58:54.nationals and demanding that the Government confirmed their status,

:58:55. > :58:59.let's think as well about how we can work together across parties to

:59:00. > :59:03.combat xenophobia in all possible ways and ensure that migration

:59:04. > :59:07.policies and debates are based on evidence and honesty rather than

:59:08. > :59:11.political expediency. Anyone who wants to be Prime Minister should

:59:12. > :59:14.sign up to that and they should start by being absolutely straight

:59:15. > :59:21.about safe and secure future of our EU nationals in this country. Thank

:59:22. > :59:26.you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I don't think I have ever been called first,

:59:27. > :59:30.this is a record! I must be doing something right. The e-mails I have

:59:31. > :59:36.received since the vote to Brexit have been like a tidal wave. We felt

:59:37. > :59:41.like a Harry Kane has hit our House. That was a statement made by one of

:59:42. > :59:45.our constituents, one of the 200 who came to a public meeting I help us

:59:46. > :59:53.that today to try and answer questions about the future -- we

:59:54. > :59:57.felt like a wing had hit our home. Another 300 people had to be turned

:59:58. > :00:01.away. My constituency of South Cambridgeshire is home to some of

:00:02. > :00:07.the best scientific and business brains in the country. The Gina

:00:08. > :00:10.campus, Babel Institute, AstraZeneca, Alzheimer's research UK

:00:11. > :00:14.and Cambridge University colleges. What do they all have in common?

:00:15. > :00:19.Their work and global reach is the combined effort of the EU and UK

:00:20. > :00:24.citizens who have moved there for their brains to connect. Our local

:00:25. > :00:31.economy is a major contributor to the EU economy, not just the UK's.

:00:32. > :00:35.Our work is developing drugs to beat cancer, pushing medical advancement

:00:36. > :00:41.every single day. Our beloved red and nationally famed hospitals,

:00:42. > :00:44.Addenbrooke's and Papworth, rely on an international workforce. Around

:00:45. > :00:50.11% of the total, way above the national average of 6%. These brains

:00:51. > :00:53.have families. Their children learn in our schools, their families

:00:54. > :00:59.contribute to our local communities and they help even run our parish

:01:00. > :01:03.councils. The irony is that on polling day itself, I was speaking

:01:04. > :01:07.to a roomful of female engineers, encouraging them to lead and inspire

:01:08. > :01:13.more young women to follow in their footsteps. They were bright, young,

:01:14. > :01:17.compassion is, they were plugging our stems skills gap. And many of

:01:18. > :01:24.them were also Italian, Dutch, Spanish. These ladies, these people,

:01:25. > :01:32.are hurting. The EU is hurting. Everyone is hurting. If this is a

:01:33. > :01:37.divorce, we in this chamber are the responsible adults. And these people

:01:38. > :01:41.or children. We have welcomed them into our family, they have enriched

:01:42. > :01:47.our family. And we now know it to them to protect them while we find a

:01:48. > :01:51.route forward. Now, not a single candidate for Prime Minister has

:01:52. > :01:56.described nor treated them as bargaining chips. Nor will they

:01:57. > :02:00.allow 1.2 million British citizens living in the EU to be pawns of the

:02:01. > :02:06.negotiators on that side of the water either. We must never forget

:02:07. > :02:11.that this works both ways. Our British citizens deserve to be a

:02:12. > :02:15.priority in our minds. Yes, of course. I am grateful to the

:02:16. > :02:18.honourable lady for giving way, because she is bringing a human

:02:19. > :02:22.angle to this debate and by think that is important to remember here.

:02:23. > :02:26.Would she not agree with me though that actually what we have here is

:02:27. > :02:33.an opportunity to set the tone of the negotiations, to say to our

:02:34. > :02:38.current EU partners, this is the way we approach this, we are not going

:02:39. > :02:42.to let this be something which has an adverse affect on your citizens,

:02:43. > :02:43.and surely that will then make the myriad areas of discussion that much

:02:44. > :02:55.easier? Given I am about to come onto

:02:56. > :03:00.cross-party consensus, that it's on my next page so perhaps I am about

:03:01. > :03:04.to eat my words! I was about to say I am disappointed the cross-party

:03:05. > :03:08.consensus that led up to the referendum appears to be evaporated

:03:09. > :03:12.and we are back to same old same old. I feel we are using these

:03:13. > :03:19.people for political point scoring and I regret that. That is how I

:03:20. > :03:23.feel. Our new Prime Minister and Government will show clear

:03:24. > :03:28.leadership. The negotiations may be complex, the poker hand held close

:03:29. > :03:32.but if we have learned one thing any current refugee crisis it people

:03:33. > :03:39.matter and people must come before politics. I would like our new Prime

:03:40. > :03:45.Minister to swiftly establish a negotiation reference, a guiding

:03:46. > :03:50.principle both the UK and the EU can sign up to that should clearly state

:03:51. > :03:54.the lives of those disrupted by this momentous decision will be our

:03:55. > :03:58.collective priority, I think that would set the tone. This would be

:03:59. > :04:05.the big first test of the shop for our new Prime Minister and I feel

:04:06. > :04:09.confident they will rise to it. -- for our new Prime Minister. Trust in

:04:10. > :04:13.politicians is even lower than it was one year ago and I did not

:04:14. > :04:17.believe that was possible. Our choice of new leader must be someone

:04:18. > :04:22.who can reunite our country and lead the way back to trust. Our great

:04:23. > :04:28.country must come together, now more than ever, but to do it that our

:04:29. > :04:33.people must have security, certainty in the future and the family's

:04:34. > :04:37.future and neighbour's future. Without that they will not have the

:04:38. > :04:41.strength to heal the rifts in their communities. My constituents want to

:04:42. > :04:46.play their part, help but they cannot do that on quicksand.

:04:47. > :04:53.Security is the first step back to trust and I will look to our new

:04:54. > :04:59.Prime Minister to lead by example. Can I, I feel slightly sorry for the

:05:00. > :05:03.Immigration Minister, who has been sent out once again to defend the

:05:04. > :05:10.indefensible. For the second time this week, by his Home Secretary and

:05:11. > :05:14.I hope he has got himself a very good promise of a very good job out

:05:15. > :05:20.of this process because this is not the first time he and I have spoken

:05:21. > :05:25.in debates in this house where he has been sent out when the Home

:05:26. > :05:32.Secretary has gone to a hiatus. I have to say to him, I think his

:05:33. > :05:36.position is still indefensible. -- gone to hide. It has moved in the

:05:37. > :05:42.last few days since the Home Secretary said on Sunday that there

:05:43. > :05:47.could be no movement until the negotiations started and in which

:05:48. > :05:50.one of her aides said this issue was a negotiating ploy. All of this

:05:51. > :05:58.stuff about saying this was not a bargaining chip, or a saying it was.

:05:59. > :06:02.-- negotiating points. The Home Secretary said it was absurd to

:06:03. > :06:05.agree the status of EU citizens before anything could be agreed and

:06:06. > :06:10.wider negotiations and he himself said it would be unwise to agree the

:06:11. > :06:16.status of the citizens before the wider negotiations have taken place.

:06:17. > :06:19.This is where I would disagree with the honourable member for South

:06:20. > :06:27.Cambridgeshire, or home on other issues I think she and I have agreed

:06:28. > :06:30.many times. I do not think it is OK to leave this until it becomes the

:06:31. > :06:36.first priority for a new Prime Minister in very many weeks' time. I

:06:37. > :06:40.do not think it is OK to leave this to a process of negotiations where

:06:41. > :06:46.we have no idea how long that will take when people are worried about

:06:47. > :06:51.their jobs, that Holmes, the kid's future right now. I will give way.

:06:52. > :06:56.Does she agree with me it is not just about the terms that will need

:06:57. > :07:00.to be negotiated for people living here from the EU, the leadership

:07:01. > :07:03.that is needed is about to welcome we give to people in this country

:07:04. > :07:08.and treating them as equals. She might be shocked to know that I

:07:09. > :07:15.spoke with a manager David Coffey chain recently who was worried about

:07:16. > :07:22.the name badges his staff have -- manager of a Coffey chain. Someone

:07:23. > :07:27.out customers are passing terrible comments to his staff. The

:07:28. > :07:31.leadership needed is setting the tone, not just about the nuts and

:07:32. > :07:36.bolts of the status but about the welcome and what kind of country we

:07:37. > :07:40.are after Brexit. My honourable friend is right and

:07:41. > :07:46.this is a very sensitive period were all of us have a responsibility to

:07:47. > :07:51.not get succour to extremists who want to exploit the situation we are

:07:52. > :07:56.in and that should mean giving confidence to people who have been

:07:57. > :07:59.settled here, often for many years, who contribute to public services

:08:00. > :08:06.while working on setting up businesses. I will briefly gave way.

:08:07. > :08:11.Can I draw to her attention and early day motion 259, of which I am

:08:12. > :08:14.a co-sponsor, which raises exactly that point from all the different

:08:15. > :08:21.groups of migrants in this country, as well as the new European group

:08:22. > :08:27.which I am pleased to be associated with an all members please their

:08:28. > :08:31.name to every day motion 259. My honourable friend makes an

:08:32. > :08:35.important point. We all know that immigration has made a huge

:08:36. > :08:39.contribution to this country over very many centuries and will be

:08:40. > :08:43.important for our future. As a result of the referendum I do expect

:08:44. > :08:48.immigration rules to change for the future and I have myself argued free

:08:49. > :08:51.movement should be reformed from within the EU. There is a big

:08:52. > :08:55.difference between changing immigration rules for the future and

:08:56. > :09:00.suddenly wrapping up the rights of people are settled and living here

:09:01. > :09:06.now and have been doing so in good faith. -- ripping up the rights. The

:09:07. > :09:11.Immigration Minister said we would only guarantee if the rights of

:09:12. > :09:15.British expats were also agreed. Secondly, he said this is

:09:16. > :09:20.complicated because there will be employment rules and benefit rules

:09:21. > :09:23.also at stake. That suggests he is suddenly saying he might be

:09:24. > :09:28.considering a ripping up the employment people here. So they

:09:29. > :09:33.would be allowed to stay but they might not be able to work. If he is

:09:34. > :09:37.not considering doing so why does he suddenly throw it into the debate as

:09:38. > :09:43.a reason to delay securing the rights and securing the status of

:09:44. > :09:47.people already here? The third thing he said was that what have to be

:09:48. > :09:51.looked at by the EU units. As he knows, the EU unit is hardly set up

:09:52. > :09:55.at all at the moment, there are still recruiting for staff, huge

:09:56. > :09:58.numbers of things to look at and will not take any decisions on

:09:59. > :10:07.anything until the new Prime Minister is in place and that is

:10:08. > :10:10.simply not fair of people. This is a kids in the playground who are being

:10:11. > :10:14.told they are going to go home. They are being bullied or teased at

:10:15. > :10:17.school and told they might have had a home and we cannot say to them,

:10:18. > :10:23.their parents cannot say to them, their teachers can say to them and

:10:24. > :10:27.we as MPs cannot say to them, no, we can guarantee you are not going to

:10:28. > :10:35.have to go home because the Immigration Minister won't see it

:10:36. > :10:39.and Home Secretary will say it. And unless this whole house and says how

:10:40. > :10:44.can teachers and payments to reassure those kids in school right

:10:45. > :10:51.now? That is why he should do this and it is not a big step. . I do

:10:52. > :10:55.agree with him he should also be advocating bought the rights of

:10:56. > :10:59.British expats. They are pensioners who have invested their life savings

:11:00. > :11:06.in homes in Spain or Italy and we should stand up for them and people

:11:07. > :11:11.working in France and Germany. We should be standing up for them as

:11:12. > :11:15.well. By getting into what looks like a trading game of people's

:11:16. > :11:19.writes he is encouraging other governments across Europe to also

:11:20. > :11:25.get into the same trading game and for them to think somehow this is

:11:26. > :11:28.something to be negotiated around, a game to be played. Surely it would

:11:29. > :11:33.be simple to say these are the rights we are going to guarantee and

:11:34. > :11:38.then other governments will follow suit. It will make it easier in the

:11:39. > :11:45.negotiation, not harder in order to do so. I know the minister, the

:11:46. > :11:53.Immigration Minister, has said very firmly he objects to the race

:11:54. > :11:59.hatred, the repatriations campaigns and some of the vital things that

:12:00. > :12:04.extremists have been saying and exposing the current uncertainty and

:12:05. > :12:10.he is right to condemn them and I know he believes that very strongly.

:12:11. > :12:15.But I would say to him he is giving extremist soccer like not resolving

:12:16. > :12:20.this and not providing the certainty. He knows the vast

:12:21. > :12:24.majority of believer of voters, as well as the vast majority of

:12:25. > :12:33.remaining voters are appalled by this kind of extremism and believe

:12:34. > :12:39.EU citizens, just as they believe British expats, should have their

:12:40. > :12:45.existing rights respected. So why not sorted out now? In order for us

:12:46. > :12:49.all to be able to say to any of those extremists, to the bullies in

:12:50. > :12:53.the playgrounds to any of those trying to attack people in the

:12:54. > :12:58.street or on the bus or spraying the slogans on the community centres, in

:12:59. > :13:03.order for all of us to say to them, we will not stand for this, nobody

:13:04. > :13:07.is being expected to go home as a result of this vote, we value those

:13:08. > :13:13.who have made the contributions here. Let us all say that together.

:13:14. > :13:17.For that to happen we need him to say it, the Home Secretary to see it

:13:18. > :13:22.and we need the Prime Minister to see it. I really would urge them to

:13:23. > :13:26.listen to be strong views on all sides of this house, take a leap and

:13:27. > :13:30.exercise the sovereignty of this house we have been debating for so

:13:31. > :13:36.long and let us all just say they should be able to stay. The speech

:13:37. > :13:40.limit is being reduced to four minutes.

:13:41. > :13:44.Let other members in your house and very much regret the increased

:13:45. > :13:48.reports of abuse and racism which has been coming over in the past two

:13:49. > :13:53.weeks. I represent a diverse and vibrant community which is a port

:13:54. > :13:56.city and has looked out of the wider world and welcome people from

:13:57. > :14:02.everywhere. As well as the traditional arrival of people from

:14:03. > :14:07.trade and the Navy, we have a University with one of the

:14:08. > :14:12.fastest-growing union reputations. I know how important the global reach

:14:13. > :14:16.of universities is for their academic and financial well-being.

:14:17. > :14:19.We already here concerns from the higher education sector the

:14:20. > :14:26.restrictions of students and academics are odourless and it has

:14:27. > :14:29.been debated before in this house. As we negotiate out of the EU we

:14:30. > :14:35.must make sure the world leading position of our universities is not

:14:36. > :14:38.threatened in any way. Everybody in Portsmouth was horrified at the

:14:39. > :14:42.racist abuse against the Polish community on the wall next to our

:14:43. > :14:46.war memorial at last week. I hardly need to point out the contribution

:14:47. > :14:51.of polls have made as our allies in the most tragic circumstances for

:14:52. > :14:54.the country. Anyone listening to the Polish member of the European

:14:55. > :15:00.Parliament following the result of the referendums saw his anguish and

:15:01. > :15:05.anger at how we have been treating them. When you publish or come from

:15:06. > :15:13.any other part of the UK to learn work you have the right to fair

:15:14. > :15:20.treatment. Whether you are Polish I disagree... The immigration came off

:15:21. > :15:24.frequently during the referendum including that most disgraceful

:15:25. > :15:32.poster, which is what is causing the racism at the moment, I think.

:15:33. > :15:37.Yes, I will. Will the honourable lady agree the climate that racism

:15:38. > :15:42.can thrive and has been building up for years, largely thanks to the

:15:43. > :15:46.shameful xenophobic headlines we see on every day on the front page of

:15:47. > :15:50.the newspapers such as the Daily Express and the Daily Mail?

:15:51. > :15:54.I totally agree and it is one of the reasons for the rise of Ukip,

:15:55. > :16:00.because people saw that as being able to control their emigration.

:16:01. > :16:04.It is also true if you come to the UK under a set of laws and

:16:05. > :16:08.immigration rules you should be free to remain here for the duration of

:16:09. > :16:11.your stage. What happens in the future for people who want to come

:16:12. > :16:14.here after we leave is a matter for the Government. It will be

:16:15. > :16:20.discussions with what happened the other 27 members. But the people

:16:21. > :16:24.already here, basic notions of British fairness compels us to give

:16:25. > :16:29.any guarantees. Most people in the UK from elsewhere in the EU are here

:16:30. > :16:34.from a limited period of time. One of the benefits of EU memberships is

:16:35. > :16:39.it has helped their home countries develop and they want to return to

:16:40. > :16:42.them. They are coming here to escape permanent poverty, they're coming

:16:43. > :16:49.here to earn money to take home with them. I hope as move forward from

:16:50. > :16:54.the referendum decision that we will be able to debate and decide these

:16:55. > :16:58.issues calmly and by consensus, rather than conflict. We have to set

:16:59. > :17:02.the example to the rest of the country and if we feel we are just

:17:03. > :17:08.getting encouragement to the pictures of racism and hatred. I

:17:09. > :17:12.await it is a complex area and it should be the first area of

:17:13. > :17:13.negotiation but we must reassure our valuable taxpayers, EU taxpayers, we

:17:14. > :17:23.welcome them here. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I

:17:24. > :17:27.think this has has to show leadership. People are watching us

:17:28. > :17:33.today, both from the UK and mainland Europe, who have an interest in the

:17:34. > :17:38.decisions we make and have a right to expect a clear statement from us.

:17:39. > :17:42.I also need to state, as some people have mentioned, the referendum

:17:43. > :17:46.campaign. There was unofficial referendum campaign, Vote Leave,

:17:47. > :17:49.which I was part. That poster which some people have mentioned was not

:17:50. > :17:54.part of our campaign, and we condemned it. Other players behaved

:17:55. > :17:58.in a way in which they have to be answerable. We were absolutely clear

:17:59. > :18:05.that we have an expectation from this government that only

:18:06. > :18:07.immigration policy would have democratic and that would include

:18:08. > :18:11.the rights of UK citizens abroad and EU citizens here up to the point

:18:12. > :18:15.until that country has made a decision would be respected and it

:18:16. > :18:19.would be said so clearly. I have to say to the Immigration Minister, who

:18:20. > :18:24.I do have a lot of sympathy with, because he has been sent out to bat

:18:25. > :18:30.on a pretty sticky wicket. He cannot pretend that people are not a

:18:31. > :18:36.bargaining chip, and then say we have to wait for our negotiations,

:18:37. > :18:40.which may be quite a long time ahead. In the interests of brevity

:18:41. > :18:44.and not repeating what other people have said, the member for the made

:18:45. > :18:49.it absolutely clear what we need to do. The member for Waltham that

:18:50. > :18:52.reminded him of the fact that, as it is a question of British

:18:53. > :18:55.parliamentary sovereignty, he is perfectly capable of getting up to

:18:56. > :19:02.do what the member for Normanton and Pontefract asked him to do, just get

:19:03. > :19:05.up and say that anybody here who had rights acquired before the 23rd of

:19:06. > :19:11.June in terms of Fred and sleek, will continue to acquire them. That

:19:12. > :19:16.would set the tone for the negotiations and send the signal --

:19:17. > :19:24.in terms of residency. Can I Dustin by the Minister, just do it? -- can

:19:25. > :19:31.I just invite the Minister. I am grateful. The Government's refusal

:19:32. > :19:36.to guarantee the status of our EU residents is quite frankly an utter

:19:37. > :19:40.disgrace. Last weekend I spoke to an Italian woman who has lived and

:19:41. > :19:44.worked in Britain for 30 years. She made Britain her home. She has

:19:45. > :19:49.raised her family here, her children were born here and they are working

:19:50. > :19:53.here. She was in tears when she told me of her worry that she and her

:19:54. > :20:01.family were about to be deported. It absolutely broke my heart. There are

:20:02. > :20:04.3 million EU nationals living in the UK, just like my constituent, they

:20:05. > :20:08.have jobs and homes and are concerned about the future of their

:20:09. > :20:13.families. These are families who have entered the UK legally, made

:20:14. > :20:16.their homes here, paid their taxes and have made a wonderful

:20:17. > :20:19.contribution to our country. The very least this family deserves is

:20:20. > :20:27.to have a certainty about their future. But Ince at... Thank you, I

:20:28. > :20:31.am very grateful -- but instead. In this time of uncertainty post

:20:32. > :20:36.Brexit, this is one area that the Government could act to give

:20:37. > :20:40.certainty immediately and to say that EU citizens in the EU are not

:20:41. > :20:44.in any immediate danger of having their status change, it is frankly

:20:45. > :20:49.quite not good enough. This is an area the Government can act now, has

:20:50. > :20:53.the power to act and should do so. My honourable friend is absolutely

:20:54. > :20:59.right. The Home Secretary has said that these people's lives will be I

:21:00. > :21:03.quote, a factor, in the forthcoming negotiations over I quit from the

:21:04. > :21:06.EU. She has insinuated that the rights of the usage to lose living

:21:07. > :21:11.here cannot be guaranteed because the Government need to seek

:21:12. > :21:18.guarantees about the rights of UK citizens living on the continent. It

:21:19. > :21:21.is appalling. People's lives should not be treated as a bargaining chip.

:21:22. > :21:26.The Government's strategy is heartless and inept. We do not want

:21:27. > :21:31.the 27 member states to threaten the rights of the 1.2 million British

:21:32. > :21:34.nationals living on the continent. While we started negotiations by

:21:35. > :21:38.threatening the rights of EU nationals living here -- why have we

:21:39. > :21:44.started? I can only presume that the Home Secretary's focus is not really

:21:45. > :21:49.an negotiations with the EU. Her tub thumping IB shame is designed to

:21:50. > :21:55.call the vote of the right-wing Tory membership -- I presume. I say this

:21:56. > :22:00.gently, her low-profile support for the Remain campaign. Using people as

:22:01. > :22:04.bargaining chips in EU negotiations is one level of insult. Using them

:22:05. > :22:10.as pawns in a Tory Game of Thrones is quite another. And the Prime

:22:11. > :22:14.Minister with any sense of responsibility at all could have

:22:15. > :22:17.stopped this from happening. By resigning from office before

:22:18. > :22:22.settling the most basic questions about leaving the EU, this Prime

:22:23. > :22:26.Minister has left our exit strategy to the vagaries of a Tory leadership

:22:27. > :22:31.contest. The rights of EU nationals, the speed for exit and our future

:22:32. > :22:37.relationships with the EU are all factors in the Tory leadership

:22:38. > :22:42.campaign. This leaves Tory Party members in a position of

:22:43. > :22:45.disproportionate influence. The failure to make a commitment to EU

:22:46. > :22:51.nationals comes with grave consequences. Racists and xenophobes

:22:52. > :22:58.are feeling emboldened as they are spreading poison within our

:22:59. > :23:03.constituencies. I am ashamed to say that in my constituency, a

:23:04. > :23:08.residential block was sprayed with a swastika and the word out in large,

:23:09. > :23:12.bold letters. I know that members across the country have had to deal

:23:13. > :23:19.with similar file incidents. There has been a 57% increase in hate

:23:20. > :23:23.crime since the referendum -- file incidents. A straightforward and

:23:24. > :23:27.clear message that EU residents are valued and welcome to stay for as

:23:28. > :23:32.long as they like would put racists back in their place. The destructive

:23:33. > :23:37.idea that they may be forced into deportations would be rubbished in

:23:38. > :23:40.an instant. Madam Deputy Speaker, if the Home Secretary is way too busy

:23:41. > :23:46.to act, than the Prime Minister should do so. I know he wants to run

:23:47. > :23:50.away from this is that the vast leaving the European Union, but it

:23:51. > :23:53.was his referendum. He should have made sure that plans were in place

:23:54. > :23:58.for the immediate aftermath, no matter what the results. But

:23:59. > :24:02.abdicating his responsibility, the Prime Minister has left us all to

:24:03. > :24:05.the mercy of a Tory leadership campaign, nurturing asked of a

:24:06. > :24:10.right. It is our neighbours and friends from elsewhere in the EU

:24:11. > :24:14.that are suffering the most -- nurturing asked of the right. It is

:24:15. > :24:19.a national disgrace. It is a pleasure to follow my honourable

:24:20. > :24:22.friend, the member for West Ham, who spoke with enormous passion about

:24:23. > :24:27.these issues. I'm sorry that I was not able to be here for other

:24:28. > :24:33.speakers. The Select Committee is hosting a seminar on female genital

:24:34. > :24:36.mutilation which is ongoing, but I wanted to contribute to this debate

:24:37. > :24:39.because I think it is of huge importance. I was very pleased with

:24:40. > :24:44.the urgent question that was put forward by the member for Birmingham

:24:45. > :24:48.Edgbaston on Monday. We disagreed with each other in respect of the

:24:49. > :24:53.referendum campaign but we are as one, as I think every other speakers

:24:54. > :24:59.so far has been, apart from the Minister, who has spoken and has

:25:00. > :25:05.not... I took it that the member for Portsmouth have also supporting the

:25:06. > :25:09.view that EU citizens ought to be given the rights that we have talked

:25:10. > :25:14.about. There are three issues as far as I'm concerned. The first is the

:25:15. > :25:18.issue of certainty. Immigration law has to be certain. To avoid legal

:25:19. > :25:23.proceedings being taken against the Government, to avoid breaches of the

:25:24. > :25:26.Bielik benching, to avoid any other uncertainties, it is absolutely

:25:27. > :25:31.vital that there should be a strict adherence to the law of the land --

:25:32. > :25:36.the Vienna Convention. It is in the Goverment's interest to allow for

:25:37. > :25:41.this certainty and to say that from the 23rd of June anybody resident in

:25:42. > :25:45.this country who has come from any of the countries in the EU ought to

:25:46. > :25:49.be allowed to remain here if they choose to do so. Some will, some

:25:50. > :25:54.will not. But that certainty is vital. What we have at the moment in

:25:55. > :25:57.immigration law, and this is extremely tractable, is that

:25:58. > :26:01.different members of the Government are saying different things, and

:26:02. > :26:11.that cannot be right -- extremely regrettable. It cannot be right for

:26:12. > :26:14.our country and in respect of others who will come to this country. To

:26:15. > :26:16.play doubles advocate, the bins that must be saying and the Home

:26:17. > :26:19.Secretary must be thinking, we are fearful that people will suddenly

:26:20. > :26:22.arrive in the United Kingdom after the 24th of June and decide to

:26:23. > :26:25.remain here permanently. They can deal with that point by giving a

:26:26. > :26:30.cut-off date now. They do not need to wait for them go she wishes to

:26:31. > :26:34.begin. In fact, it will lengthen the hand of the future Prime Minister,

:26:35. > :26:37.whoever he or she may be -- they do not need to wait for negotiations to

:26:38. > :26:44.begin. I do not have a wrote in this leadership campaign, despite the

:26:45. > :26:49.wishes of some members on the side -- a vote. The fact is, to go to

:26:50. > :26:54.that first meeting as the next Prime Minister will have to do, and to say

:26:55. > :26:59.that the United Kingdom has guaranteed the rights of EU citizens

:27:00. > :27:03.to live in this country will be a huge boost for whoever is the Prime

:27:04. > :27:07.Minister, and a huge amount of goodwill will flow from that

:27:08. > :27:12.decision. I think it will be automatically accepted that the 1.3

:27:13. > :27:18.million British citizens living in the EU will then be allowed to stay.

:27:19. > :27:22.But I say to the Minister, if he needs a justification for this

:27:23. > :27:26.certainty, then he just needs to read the speech of his ministerial

:27:27. > :27:30.colleagues, the brilliant speech made last night in this chamber by

:27:31. > :27:36.the honourable Lady the member for Staffordshire Moorlands about what

:27:37. > :27:40.happens when social attitudes change as a result of a Government

:27:41. > :27:43.decision. And we have all had examples of this. I heard it for

:27:44. > :27:48.myself when I went to a Polish church on Sunday with the honourable

:27:49. > :27:53.Lady the member for Ealing Central. This is what will happen if we are

:27:54. > :28:00.not certain about our law. And he has six days to changes mind before

:28:01. > :28:03.he appears before the Home Affairs Select Committee on Tuesday. And I

:28:04. > :28:08.hope he will use those six days very, very carefully to reflect on

:28:09. > :28:13.what the House has said and to do the right and decent thing. We are a

:28:14. > :28:20.good country, it isn't country, let's show what we are really made

:28:21. > :28:24.of. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. As I have done in debates before

:28:25. > :28:28.related to this issue I declare an interest that my husband is a German

:28:29. > :28:33.national who has lived here for 30 years this year and works in the

:28:34. > :28:38.NHS. Now, that is awfully good of the Minister, I will phone him up

:28:39. > :28:46.and tell him! We have already heard of very high calibre people who are

:28:47. > :28:48.not coming because of this debate. I was at the graduation of the

:28:49. > :28:51.University of the West of Scotland last Friday, they have had a senior

:28:52. > :28:57.lecturer who was almost at the point of getting on the board, and decided

:28:58. > :29:00.that because he might have to move his family, his children, sell a

:29:01. > :29:04.House in less than two years and go back, it is not worth it. What we

:29:05. > :29:08.are focused on is not even what is going to happen to the people who

:29:09. > :29:12.would beat you to come, because that will have to be looked at, but the

:29:13. > :29:17.people who are already here -- who would be due to come. They are

:29:18. > :29:22.integral to our communities and our public services. Obviously, my

:29:23. > :29:27.background is the NHS, and as we heard on Tuesday, we have 110,000

:29:28. > :29:31.people from the EU who work in our House and social care. About half of

:29:32. > :29:35.them are doctors and nurses and half of them are care worker -- health

:29:36. > :29:40.and social care. While people like my husband, who have been here

:29:41. > :29:44.longer than five years and earn over ?35,000 will be allowed to stay,

:29:45. > :29:50.while that income limit applied? Because I can tell you, most

:29:51. > :29:55.nationals will not qualify. -- most nurses will not qualify, no care

:29:56. > :29:58.workers will, they will have to go back. Most ordinary teachers will

:29:59. > :30:03.have to go back. The Government needs to think about the fact that

:30:04. > :30:08.this insecurity is there. To talk about, don't worry about it, it

:30:09. > :30:12.might happen in two years, does the Minister think that families

:30:13. > :30:16.actually sit there going, don't worry, we will fret about the home

:30:17. > :30:21.and the kids and the job just a month or so before. There is no

:30:22. > :30:25.region to be so combative in this. The Minister talked about fighting

:30:26. > :30:30.for the right of UK nationals. There shouldn't be a fight. If we set the

:30:31. > :30:37.example by treating EU nationals here properly and immediately giving

:30:38. > :30:43.them the absolute right to remain, then we have a much greater

:30:44. > :30:47.likelihood of civilised talks and UK nationals being well treated there.

:30:48. > :30:52.If we go income and you do that and we will do this, that that's

:30:53. > :30:58.completely the wrong tone. The Minister also talked about, yes,

:30:59. > :31:02.people over five years can Spey, but we have to look at what some of the

:31:03. > :31:06.rights and benefits. -- can stay. Does that mean that people who have

:31:07. > :31:11.been here, like my husband, for 30 years, that his rights to be treated

:31:12. > :31:14.in the NHS or his rights to benefit if he couldn't work all his pension

:31:15. > :31:19.rights are maybe now going to be undermined when he is already

:31:20. > :31:23.approaching retirement age and can do nothing about it was like these

:31:24. > :31:28.people, some of them have been here for years and years, contributing to

:31:29. > :31:32.this country, and to undermine what they have done for us is absolutely

:31:33. > :31:36.despicable. The Minister says he hopes to be able to reassure them

:31:37. > :31:43.and give them certainty. He could do it now, just do it. We have to

:31:44. > :31:51.reduce the limit to three minutes from now. Challenging, Madam Deputy

:31:52. > :31:56.Speaker. In 2013, Glasgow adopted the slogan, People Make Glasgow. It

:31:57. > :32:02.couldn't be more apt at this present time, because the people of the EU

:32:03. > :32:08.make my constituents are viable and wonderful city that it is. According

:32:09. > :32:12.to the sensors, 5.2% of my constituency was born in EU

:32:13. > :32:22.countries, -- according to the census. In the year 2014-15, over

:32:23. > :32:26.4000 EU students are enrolled in academic students across Glasgow.

:32:27. > :32:29.The professor of Italian history and culture at the University of

:32:30. > :32:33.Strathclyde in Glasgow says, and I quote, since I started teaching here

:32:34. > :32:37.we have seen a radical shift in the composition of the student body.

:32:38. > :32:41.There were students from Latvia and Bulgaria receiving degrees in

:32:42. > :32:45.Italian at the graduation ceremony, as well as many young Scots. The

:32:46. > :32:51.free movement of students facilitated by the Erasmus programme

:32:52. > :32:53.means that I have taught to mixed students who have greatly benefited

:32:54. > :32:58.from the different linguistics background of their peers. I will

:32:59. > :33:02.not even mention European funding which is at risk. He speaks also of

:33:03. > :33:05.his own young children who want to have the opportunity that I and

:33:06. > :33:09.other people have had to go on travel and work. Madam Deputy

:33:10. > :33:12.Speaker, we must not lose sight of the fact that politics is about

:33:13. > :33:16.people, and among the messages I have received last week is one from

:33:17. > :33:20.Courtney, a Greek national who lives in Queen's Park in the south side of

:33:21. > :33:24.Glasgow who sums up the sense of anxiety and the world and that many

:33:25. > :33:27.people face. She says, I look at all the other EU immigrants that are

:33:28. > :33:31.here, they have broken no laws by saddling here. I have been here for

:33:32. > :33:37.five years and I'm proud to call Scotland my home. I have started a

:33:38. > :33:41.long-term relationship here, paid packs, done volunteer work, I am

:33:42. > :33:45.happy to contribute to the local community and the overall economy. I

:33:46. > :33:48.also had a message just this morning from the ward sister at the Royal

:33:49. > :33:51.Infirmary who says that nurses who have come from Poland are deeply

:33:52. > :33:55.concerned about their future in the country. They are here, working and

:33:56. > :34:01.contributing and deserve to be able to stay.

:34:02. > :34:08.Would she agreed with me it would not take much to reassure those

:34:09. > :34:16.citizens she spoke of. If caseworker in my others, Finland. She is very

:34:17. > :34:20.uncertain as to her future and as an employer eye, like many other

:34:21. > :34:26.employers, would also like to know whether or not the citizens were

:34:27. > :34:30.continued to write and it would be easy for the Minister to say that.

:34:31. > :34:35.It would be a very easy thing for the Government to do. But it is also

:34:36. > :34:41.about people in Scotland who want to opportunity. I had the e-mail for

:34:42. > :34:45.Gemma who says, I am a classical musician living in your constituency

:34:46. > :34:49.and I can see everything I have painstakingly worked for caving in

:34:50. > :34:53.if my right to live and work in the EU is no longer straightforward. I

:34:54. > :34:59.also met with a copy shop owner who came from Portugal and love through

:35:00. > :35:05.fascism, he has travelled the world and come to live in Glasgow -- lived

:35:06. > :35:07.through fascism. He was heartbroken about the referendum result and

:35:08. > :35:11.there was nothing I can say to console him to give him confidence

:35:12. > :35:15.his future in Scotland was assured and I would like ministers to

:35:16. > :35:19.reflect on that and come up with a strong message I can get to people

:35:20. > :35:23.who do not know what their future holds. The testimony and have

:35:24. > :35:26.received underscores the reality of these feelings of isolation and

:35:27. > :35:31.Brexit has caused and it is shameful the Government has not done enough

:35:32. > :35:41.to tackle mess and reassure them. My Home Office casework tells me the

:35:42. > :35:45.dignitary and respect is not because it is now. I have constituents

:35:46. > :35:49.across the world who cannot get a fair bit to coming to Kate so I no

:35:50. > :35:57.confidence the Home Office can cope with dealing with the EU National

:35:58. > :36:01.from around Europe. In contrast this is the message from First Minister

:36:02. > :36:07.Nicola Sturgeon. She made it clear they are welcome to come to Scotland

:36:08. > :36:11.and the contribution is valued and I unequivocally reject the notion EU

:36:12. > :36:15.citizens can be considered a bargaining chips in any

:36:16. > :36:18.negotiations. The Church of Scotland also rejects that and they have been

:36:19. > :36:25.in touch to put that forward as well and I beg of the Government to make

:36:26. > :36:27.a change in stands. One of the most depressing

:36:28. > :36:32.conversations I have had since being a Member of Parliament, which is

:36:33. > :36:36.just eight weeks and four days, is having a phone call for a care home

:36:37. > :36:41.the day after the referendum three Polish national who has lived in my

:36:42. > :36:47.constituency for the last 35 years of 75 years of age, disabled, living

:36:48. > :36:50.in a care home in tears because she thought she was about to be

:36:51. > :36:55.deported. Speaking to that care home this week she is now even more

:36:56. > :36:59.confused and worries and sadly some residents in the care, they could be

:37:00. > :37:04.making similar comments like, when are you going home? This cannot be

:37:05. > :37:08.right in modern Britain. On the morning following the referendum the

:37:09. > :37:13.3 million EU citizens any UK walk up to the news that entire future was

:37:14. > :37:18.about. These people who got their lives, families and careers our

:37:19. > :37:24.country and without a voice in the matter found themselves with a fear

:37:25. > :37:28.of having to leave the UK. Many of them who feel as British as you and

:37:29. > :37:31.I found they could no longer carry on as usual. In the weeks that have

:37:32. > :37:35.followed instead of offering solace to these 3 million people some in

:37:36. > :37:39.the Government treated them as bargaining chips. Our two of them

:37:40. > :37:46.political debate descends into nothing more than top of statistical

:37:47. > :37:50.figures but today we should not think of EU nationals in our country

:37:51. > :37:54.as numbers on paper but instead think of them as the people they

:37:55. > :38:00.are. People who fear for their future due to the canvas statements

:38:01. > :38:04.by members of this Government. -- callous statements. The people have

:38:05. > :38:08.spoken and the UK is set to lead the EU. Whatever my personal views it

:38:09. > :38:13.has been made and we must respect it. In the months and years that

:38:14. > :38:18.followed we cannot allow ourselves to treat EU citizens in Britain as

:38:19. > :38:21.political pawns. We're here to debate whether these people should

:38:22. > :38:26.have the right to remain and in doing so I asked the house to think

:38:27. > :38:30.of EU nationals in our lives, our friends, neighbours and colleagues,

:38:31. > :38:35.and consider how the absence would worsen each of our communities.

:38:36. > :38:40.Across the UK there have been reports of many who now feel

:38:41. > :38:44.unwelcome. Be it a console and car difficult to get out of the country

:38:45. > :38:50.or a campaigner in Coverley told to pack their bags and go home. --

:38:51. > :38:53.councillor in Cardiff. There is a correlation between how some in the

:38:54. > :38:57.Government speak about EU nationals and the hate crimes we see on our

:38:58. > :39:01.streets. If the Government continues to treat EU nationals this week we

:39:02. > :39:06.will see the despicable consequences time and time again. I hope the

:39:07. > :39:09.house comes together to send a strong and clear message to every

:39:10. > :39:15.single person that was born in the EU and has sent a their life in the

:39:16. > :39:20.UK. A message to say, you are welcome. I hope the house will vote

:39:21. > :39:23.in favour of the motion. I would like to start by

:39:24. > :39:27.complementing the Shadow Home Secretary for the way in which he

:39:28. > :39:32.led this debate. I think you said it out in exactly the right tone with

:39:33. > :39:39.precision and suggested how this matter can be dissolved. So for that

:39:40. > :39:42.I am very grateful. -- resolved. I wish the minister approached it with

:39:43. > :39:47.some degree of certainty but all he could offer was a convoluted and

:39:48. > :39:52.equivocal speech that will have generated not certainty, but

:39:53. > :39:59.uncertainty in the minds of many EU nationals in this country. This

:40:00. > :40:03.started, for me, not after the referendum but before it. Sometime

:40:04. > :40:08.before it I raised the question of Prime Minister's Questions about to

:40:09. > :40:12.my constituents of a German nationality who were so upset

:40:13. > :40:14.because of the nature of the debate about immigration that they left the

:40:15. > :40:19.Scot about immigration that they left Scotland's and said they did

:40:20. > :40:23.not want to live in the UK while the referendum vote was being taken.

:40:24. > :40:27.Such was their feelings about the way in which they were

:40:28. > :40:31.characterised. That was even deeper for them because they had lived in

:40:32. > :40:35.Scotland at a time of the independence referendum when they

:40:36. > :40:38.were allowed a vote but they were denied a vote by this house. This

:40:39. > :40:43.house should have given them the vote. That would have helped to

:40:44. > :40:51.relieve some of the three votes anxieties. We now find as many

:40:52. > :40:54.members in this house will find we have constituents caught in many

:40:55. > :41:00.different situations. -- three votes anxieties. I have not just those two

:41:01. > :41:05.constituents who have left and I am trying to persuade the return, but

:41:06. > :41:09.just yesterday I heard from a local friend of mine who is a mortgage

:41:10. > :41:15.broker that a couple who would choose to buy their first home in

:41:16. > :41:23.Scotland's withdrew at the last minute because they said, we are EU

:41:24. > :41:29.citizens. I cannot take the risk of investing here when such uncertainty

:41:30. > :41:34.lies over us today. Does that not just put to bed the

:41:35. > :41:45.why the Government had a economic plan -- puts to bed the why. -- put

:41:46. > :41:53.to bed the llie. I always thought that was danceable thinking. We meet

:41:54. > :41:59.short-term and immediate action for every EU National that lives in this

:42:00. > :42:03.country. -- we need. I get another example of a lady who wrote to me

:42:04. > :42:07.concerned because her husband is from Denmark and he is not anxious

:42:08. > :42:12.about what happens to them. Will their family be split up? These

:42:13. > :42:16.anxieties, and the Minister might say some of the anxieties are ill

:42:17. > :42:22.founders. But the anxieties are not ill founded if the Government lacks

:42:23. > :42:29.clarity. If the Government declines to get the clarity and certainty the

:42:30. > :42:33.needs them they are uncertainty -- they are uncertainty and worries are

:42:34. > :42:45.perfectly legitimate. Minister, it is time to act, it is not too late.

:42:46. > :42:49.Do the right thing and do it now. Madam Deputy Speaker, ICQ reassuring

:42:50. > :42:56.is because these days resignations can come at a bewildering pace. -- I

:42:57. > :43:00.seek your reassurance. Can you tell the house do we still have a

:43:01. > :43:04.Government's wept office? For the majority of this debate there has

:43:05. > :43:10.only been one Government backbencher. -- whips office. That

:43:11. > :43:15.used to be the job of the whips office. That is not the point of

:43:16. > :43:20.order and we are running very short time.

:43:21. > :43:27.It is always a pleasure to follow my old friend from Cowdenbeath. The

:43:28. > :43:31.motion states men, women and children should not be used as

:43:32. > :43:37.bargaining chips in negotiations and I want to associate myself with that

:43:38. > :43:42.statement. Many of us will have had conversations with what he citizens

:43:43. > :43:47.in the UK who are from Europe. Last Friday in my constituency I met with

:43:48. > :43:50.the French national, a teacher a secondary school, someone who, like

:43:51. > :43:55.many of those who came to live in our country, at making a valuable

:43:56. > :44:01.contribution. Someone who wants to stay here but now feels deeply and

:44:02. > :44:07.frightens that she may not be in a position on a long-term to remain.

:44:08. > :44:11.The conversation I have had with my constituents explaining her fears

:44:12. > :44:16.and anxieties will be replicated by many of the EU citizens living in

:44:17. > :44:20.Scotland. Where is our humanity to those amongst us, our friends,

:44:21. > :44:24.neighbours, colleagues and fearful as to whether they were happy

:44:25. > :44:28.long-term right to remain? That is why my colleague, Nicola Sturgeon,

:44:29. > :44:31.is right to call on the UK Government to guarantee the rights

:44:32. > :44:37.of all those living here who are EU citizens. We have a moral and

:44:38. > :44:41.ethical right to enshrine the rights of those here legitimately. This

:44:42. > :44:45.Government could do it today. It should have the courage to extend

:44:46. > :44:49.the hand of friendship to those who appear here and ASBOs home. Why

:44:50. > :44:55.would any Government want to cause unnecessary fear and alarm. -- call

:44:56. > :44:58.this place home. We should say, you're welcome to stay on a

:44:59. > :45:05.permanent basis and to do anything is unacceptable. The Home Secretary,

:45:06. > :45:10.a future potential Prime Minister, must make it clear we recognise the

:45:11. > :45:17.rights to remain for all EU citizens who are here. She could have

:45:18. > :45:21.participated in this debate today and laid the fears of many EU

:45:22. > :45:29.citizens in this country. Where is the Home Secretary? The other Roman

:45:30. > :45:31.member for culture -- honourable member for Colchester tweeted she

:45:32. > :45:39.was at a food tasting and went elsewhere in Westminster.

:45:40. > :45:42.When we look at her comments last Sunday they fell way short of the

:45:43. > :45:47.moral leadership we should be taking. The Home Secretary said, we

:45:48. > :45:51.are still a member of the EU and the arrangement the content you so there

:45:52. > :45:54.is no change to their position currently. Of course, as part of the

:45:55. > :46:02.negotiations and we will have to look at the position of people in

:46:03. > :46:05.the UK who are from the EU. If that is not a bargaining chip I do not

:46:06. > :46:09.not what is because that is precisely what the Home Secretary

:46:10. > :46:15.put across last Sunday. That is an alarming statement. EU citizens

:46:16. > :46:18.being used as a bargaining chip. We're talking about people living

:46:19. > :46:24.amongst us that do not want to be used as pawns in a negotiation. What

:46:25. > :46:31.a shameful position to take. This is not the position of a reader, it is

:46:32. > :46:35.an abdication of responsibility. -- not the position of a leader.

:46:36. > :46:41.Contrast this with Nicola Sturgeon providing reassuring is well the

:46:42. > :46:46.Home Secretary uses them as bargaining chips. Migrants make it

:46:47. > :46:50.primal contribution to our country and are an important part of

:46:51. > :46:56.Scotland's future. That vital contribution. Both in economic

:46:57. > :46:59.growth and mitigating the effects of demographic change. I call on the

:47:00. > :47:04.Government to do the right thing and give certainty to all EU citizens.

:47:05. > :47:11.And fundamentally there is a strong message that those of us in Scotland

:47:12. > :47:14.voted to remain and the best way of protecting the rights of EU citizens

:47:15. > :47:22.is Scotland's remaining within the EU.

:47:23. > :47:26.We have had a very full and we have seen a huge amount of passion and it

:47:27. > :47:32.is quite clear the opinion of the house is. We have heard from the

:47:33. > :47:37.Honourable member about a Polish care home worker being asked when

:47:38. > :47:41.they are going home, we heard from the member from Kirkcaldy and

:47:42. > :47:50.Cowdenbeath, EU citizens be afraid to invest in this constituency. We

:47:51. > :47:54.learned the reason that the Home Secretary is not he is because she

:47:55. > :48:01.had tweeted she was busy enjoying a taste of Colchester. We heard from

:48:02. > :48:08.the speech from the honourable member for West Ham who talked about

:48:09. > :48:10.a swastika with the words out being daubed in her constituency. We heard

:48:11. > :48:17.from the right honourable lady from point of fact that she cannot be

:48:18. > :48:20.sure kids in the playground about being told to go home at the Home

:48:21. > :48:24.Secretary does not provide a guarantee. We heard the speech from

:48:25. > :48:27.the honourable member from Birmingham who said the vote leaves

:48:28. > :48:34.campaign was clear on this issue, no one would be sent back, so why has

:48:35. > :48:38.the Government not on this? We help from the honourable lady promised Mr

:48:39. > :48:44.Mahfouz said some that are 36 EU migrants lived in Westminster --

:48:45. > :48:48.36,000 EU migrants live in Westminster. We heard from the

:48:49. > :48:55.member from Ayrshire who explained the contribution of EU migrants in

:48:56. > :49:00.the NHS and the member for Glasgow Central who said the slogan for

:49:01. > :49:10.Glasgow this tight, people make Glasgow and many operas citizens are

:49:11. > :49:12.from the EU. What might be sent next about anyone else. We heard from the

:49:13. > :49:23.member for Leicester East.