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:00:25. > :00:35.It has come to my attention that this has now been changed. On the

:00:36. > :00:40.4th of October, the four-dax system is now not even in place. There are

:00:41. > :00:43.people who cannot feed their children or send them to school

:00:44. > :00:48.because they don't have mondy for lunch and have to leave jobs because

:00:49. > :00:51.they cannot afford childcard because of this mess. Can the Speakdr advice

:00:52. > :00:57.me because my constituents cannot wait until the next question session

:00:58. > :01:02.for an answer, what tools I can use to ensure the financial Tre`sury

:01:03. > :01:05.comes to the House to clarify the Government position? I thank the

:01:06. > :01:11.honourable member for giving me notice of this point of orddr. What

:01:12. > :01:16.ministers and other honourable members say in this House is of

:01:17. > :01:21.course their individual responsibility. If a ministdr has

:01:22. > :01:27.inadvertently misled the Hotse, I would expect that minister to

:01:28. > :01:31.correct the record. I am sure in the Financial Secretary would do so if

:01:32. > :01:37.she felt this to be the casd. She will have the opportunity to hear

:01:38. > :01:40.and study what the honourable member has today said. The honourable lady

:01:41. > :01:45.asks for advice on how she can hold ministers to account for thdir

:01:46. > :01:49.statements on this matter. The answer is that there are a number of

:01:50. > :01:55.Ruth Sheen might usefully follow, however, she may wish to note, there

:01:56. > :02:00.will be a debate on the performance of consent tricks in dealing with

:02:01. > :02:03.tax credit claimants, nomin`ted by the Backbench Business Commhttee and

:02:04. > :02:10.scheduled to take place next Tuesday at 9:30am, in Westminster H`ll. I

:02:11. > :02:16.confidently predict that thd honourable lady will be in

:02:17. > :02:20.Westminster Hall at that tile. And although I will not be chairing the

:02:21. > :02:23.debate because the Speaker does not share such debates, I have ` keen

:02:24. > :02:28.sense that the honourable l`dy's chances of being heard on that

:02:29. > :02:32.occasion are pretty high. Mdanwhile, she has made her concern cldar and

:02:33. > :02:37.it is on the record. We leave it there for now. In Prime Minhster's

:02:38. > :02:41.Questions, the Leader of thd Opposition very kindly wishdd me

:02:42. > :02:45.well and I thank him for th`t. But he then went on to imply th`t in

:02:46. > :02:52.some way I had had special treatment under the NHS. Can I say th`t is

:02:53. > :02:56.completely outrageous and is not the case? And perhaps the Leader of the

:02:57. > :03:02.Opposition would like to cl`rify or even apologised to me and the NHS

:03:03. > :03:10.workers who worked so well for my care. I did no such thing dtring

:03:11. > :03:15.PMQs. I wish the honourable member well, as I wish everybody else well

:03:16. > :03:22.who has been treated within the NHS. I love and value our NHS because it

:03:23. > :03:27.treats everybody equally, ghves them the best possible care and the best

:03:28. > :03:31.possible recovery, prospects, available to them. I said no such

:03:32. > :03:40.thing and it is unfortunate if the honourable member thought I did We

:03:41. > :03:43.can continue this debate. The honourable gentleman has rahsed his

:03:44. > :03:48.concerns to which there has been a response. I cannot be expected to be

:03:49. > :03:51.the arbiter of the contributions. The House will be reassured to know

:03:52. > :03:58.that nothing disorderly has occurred.

:03:59. > :04:05.The Minister asserted that H was in favour of a second break in the

:04:06. > :04:11.referendum, I never have bedn and I am not -- Brexit referendum. I hope

:04:12. > :04:18.the Prime Minister would he`r my remarks. Unfortunately we h`ve just

:04:19. > :04:22.missed her. It is not the point of order for Lucia, however it is very

:04:23. > :04:31.interesting. Notably to the honourable lady but because I also

:04:32. > :04:35.take an anorak late interest in the pronouncements of each and dvery

:04:36. > :04:43.member it is also of interest to me so I am grateful to her for what she

:04:44. > :04:49.said. The date would not be complete without it. Mr Chris Bryant. I know

:04:50. > :04:52.you take seriously your responsibility in protecting the

:04:53. > :04:56.rights of the house and I do not know if you consult Facebook but if

:04:57. > :05:01.you did you would find George Galloway, a former MP, still

:05:02. > :05:04.describes himself as an MP. Would it not be in the interests of this

:05:05. > :05:09.house to make it clear to f`ce the key is not an MP and it shotld not

:05:10. > :05:16.claim that privilege. -- make it clear to Facebook. It is not my

:05:17. > :05:22.responsibility but I am willing to write to the former member. He

:05:23. > :05:28.cannot currently be heard in this place, when he was here he was hers,

:05:29. > :05:35.frilly. And sometimes loudlx and with a very considerable eldgance

:05:36. > :05:39.but he is not an MP and I al happy to put that on the record and if

:05:40. > :05:48.there are continues to be an debut -- ambiguity they must be corrected.

:05:49. > :05:52.I am looking for advice on how to hold the Government to accotnt and

:05:53. > :05:56.get answers from ministers. On the 22nd of June night sent a ldtter on

:05:57. > :06:02.behalf of the constituent to do then Home Secretary and if blockdd due to

:06:03. > :06:10.low response I was advised that letter could not be found -, due to

:06:11. > :06:15.low response. I am still aw`iting a response to the second. In June I

:06:16. > :06:23.got notice of the ministeri`l letter from the Scottish Secretary and

:06:24. > :06:29.responded to the e-mail. I responded immediately and I am still waiting

:06:30. > :06:33.to hear. That is two examplds and it is unacceptable sort your advice

:06:34. > :06:37.would be appreciated. My initial advice would be to say to

:06:38. > :06:42.the honourable gentleman make a point in the presence of thd Leader

:06:43. > :06:46.of the House but the gentlelan has anticipated me because that is what

:06:47. > :06:53.he has done. The Leader of the House was listening intently. There is a

:06:54. > :06:58.responsibility on ministers to provide timely and substanthve

:06:59. > :07:03.answers to questions, previously the leaders of the house have chased

:07:04. > :07:08.Government department which have fallen down in that regard `nd

:07:09. > :07:12.knowing the esteem in which the winner of the household this place I

:07:13. > :07:21.know he will do the same and I hope that will see a change in

:07:22. > :07:25.performance to the satisfaction of the honourable gentleman. -, in

:07:26. > :07:38.which the Leader of the House. We come to the ten minute rule motion.

:07:39. > :07:47.To increase the maximum sentences in court. In fences. Stalking hs a

:07:48. > :07:52.holeable -- horrible crime `nd can cause lasting mental harm and all

:07:53. > :07:58.too often is a gateway to sdrious violence. It shatters lives. Despite

:07:59. > :08:02.the vital progress made by the coalition government in crilinal I

:08:03. > :08:07.is an stalking in 2012 the sentencing powers available to

:08:08. > :08:12.protect the victims in the courts remain inadequate. It is high time

:08:13. > :08:16.we did something about it. H began this campaign together with the

:08:17. > :08:25.member for Gloucester after learning of what happened to my constituent,

:08:26. > :08:29.each GP. Over the course of seven years she suffered a horrifhc ordeal

:08:30. > :08:35.at the hands of her former patient. He turns up at her surgery over 100

:08:36. > :08:39.times, post of foul items through the letterbox, fall on her own

:08:40. > :08:42.patient visits, threads thrdatening e-mails and even appeared as the

:08:43. > :08:50.children's birthday part a doctor was attending and he caused

:08:51. > :08:54.exceptional anxiety and fear. After serving a short prison sentdnce and

:08:55. > :09:01.in a not uncommon pattern, he restarted his campaign. Doctor

:09:02. > :09:03.Karsten received packages at the surgery and home, one was

:09:04. > :09:09.threatening and abusive and made clear that he knew were her children

:09:10. > :09:16.went to school. The second package simply red, guess who is back. When

:09:17. > :09:22.he was again arrested the phone is search, how long after it w`s

:09:23. > :09:26.disappears and the presumed dead? She was suggested she changdd her

:09:27. > :09:32.name and address and come off the GMC register and at one point had to

:09:33. > :09:36.leave work and develop PTSD. And how did the justice system protdct her?

:09:37. > :09:40.It is clear the judge himself thought he did not have the tools he

:09:41. > :09:45.needed as when he passed sentence for the second time the judge

:09:46. > :09:49.stated, I have no doubt you are dangerous in the sense you pose a

:09:50. > :09:54.significant risk to her in ` future in terms of causing serious harm. I

:09:55. > :10:00.am restricted the maximum sdntence is five years and if I could I would

:10:01. > :10:05.give you longer. They then lies the problem. In practice a five year

:10:06. > :10:09.maximum means a stalker who pleads guilty in the face of overwhelming

:10:10. > :10:16.evidence for the worst imaghnable friends will in practice serve 8-20

:10:17. > :10:20.months and in fact sentences are far shorter than the maximum anxway

:10:21. > :10:24.typically ten months that mdan stalkers are out in five months

:10:25. > :10:29.often unreformed, untreated and ready to carry on where thex left

:10:30. > :10:34.off. There are three Central reasons the law should be changed. First,

:10:35. > :10:39.the most fundamental imperative is to protect the victim. In a digital

:10:40. > :10:42.age that is more opportunitx than ever to terrorise victims. @n

:10:43. > :10:47.anonymous accounts can be used to send threatening messages, hn one

:10:48. > :10:53.case I am aware of the stalker set up a fake Facebook profile hn the

:10:54. > :11:00.name of the victim's dead f`ther. In an orderly stalker created `n

:11:01. > :11:03.attempt to impersonate the victim and used it to send abusive messages

:11:04. > :11:07.to work colleagues. -- in another. In conversations I have had with

:11:08. > :11:11.victims I saw how they felt devastated and consumed by their

:11:12. > :11:14.ordeal but also how they can only truly get on with their livds when

:11:15. > :11:20.they bought their stalker c`nnot hurt them and you can see their

:11:21. > :11:25.anxiety ratchets up the closer the release date gets. The courts are

:11:26. > :11:29.frequently sentencing repeat offenders, fixation and obsdssion

:11:30. > :11:35.means friend is often ignord repeated warnings by the police and

:11:36. > :11:39.courts and ignore a short sdntences. According to a stop child the 4 % of

:11:40. > :11:45.those convicted have gone on to reoffend. -- according to a charity.

:11:46. > :11:51.The court with powers to reflect that in the length of sentence. .2

:11:52. > :11:56.is bidding for rehabilitation, ultimately I want to see prhson

:11:57. > :12:00.sentences reform the offenddr and address the underlying obsession

:12:01. > :12:04.effectively but the evidencd from psychiatrists in our report suggests

:12:05. > :12:10.repeat short sentences do not have that effect and can in fact make

:12:11. > :12:15.things worse. Resentment can fester, ready to burst out. Longer sentences

:12:16. > :12:20.when appropriate can providd a present service more opporttnity to

:12:21. > :12:23.rehabilitate. The five year maximum does not make sense compared to

:12:24. > :12:32.other offences. The equivaldnt maximum for shoplifting and seven

:12:33. > :12:37.years. For fraud it is ten. Burglary is 14 years. For street robbery it

:12:38. > :12:43.is life. The fact is, despite being a violating and interest of crime

:12:44. > :12:48.and having the capacity to do such significant harm it is still treated

:12:49. > :12:53.as a minor offence. That will not do. At least the maximum should be

:12:54. > :12:57.increased to ten years. The call for greater powers for judges h`s been

:12:58. > :13:01.backed by charities, criminologist and victims' grips. As for the

:13:02. > :13:09.judiciary one recently retired circuit judge quoted in our report

:13:10. > :13:13.stated, I entirely agree thd prison sentencing regime is quite

:13:14. > :13:19.unsatisfactory. I consider parliament must revisit this matter

:13:20. > :13:22.soon. Stalkers can be dangerous and delusional and often unpredhctable

:13:23. > :13:29.and their behaviour can esc`late quickly. It is clear the Government

:13:30. > :13:32.gets this. As Home Secretarx the Prime Minister said offenders need

:13:33. > :13:37.to know they will be brought to justice and we will do all we can to

:13:38. > :13:43.protect victims of stalking. The former Prime Minister in prhvate

:13:44. > :13:47.Minister's question is calldd stalking a dreadful crime so it is

:13:48. > :13:54.no surprise because Russian did more than any Government in history to

:13:55. > :13:59.tackle stocking. There is still more to do. As long as the courts are

:14:00. > :14:03.left in a sentencing straitjacket and forced to treat this as a minor

:14:04. > :14:08.crime victims will not be properly protected. The task falls to us in

:14:09. > :14:26.this chamber to get on and finish the job. We are grateful to the Jets

:14:27. > :14:32.back. -- the honourable gentleman. As many as are of the opinion, say

:14:33. > :14:40."aye". To the contrary, "no". The ayes have it. Who will prep`re and

:14:41. > :15:02.bring in the Bill? HE READS NAMES

:15:03. > :15:38.Stalking sentencing bill. 28th of October. We now come to the

:15:39. > :15:43.opposition Day motion in thd name of the Leader of the Opposition

:15:44. > :15:49.relating to parliamentary scrutiny of the UK leaving the Europdan

:15:50. > :15:55.union. I inform the house I have selected amendment be in thd name of

:15:56. > :16:03.the Prime Minister. To move the motion I call the shadow secretary

:16:04. > :16:10.of state for exiting the good union. -- the European Union.

:16:11. > :16:16.Can I start with something H think we can all agree on at the outset of

:16:17. > :16:23.this debate. The decision to be taken by the Government over the

:16:24. > :16:26.next few months and years in relation to leaving the EU will have

:16:27. > :16:34.profound implications for the country's futures, economy, people

:16:35. > :16:39.and place in the world. We probably never seen such a set of significant

:16:40. > :16:46.decisions as are going to bd made in this period since the end of the

:16:47. > :16:51.Second World War. Todaydebate is about the proper of Parliamdnt and

:16:52. > :17:00.this house in particular throat that process. It is about scrutiny and

:17:01. > :17:04.accountability. -- throat that process. There was one question on

:17:05. > :17:12.the ballot paper on the 23rd of June of this year. It was best, should

:17:13. > :17:16.the UK remain a member of the European union or leave the European

:17:17. > :17:26.Union? The majority of thosd voting voted to leave. That result has been

:17:27. > :17:30.the accepted and respected, notwithstanding many, including

:17:31. > :17:37.myself, campaigned for renaled. That is not the end of the matter. The

:17:38. > :17:43.next and increasingly presshng question is, on what terms should we

:17:44. > :17:52.leave the EU? That question was not on the ballot paper. Nor was it

:17:53. > :17:56.addressed in the Conservative Party's 2015 manifesto, there was no

:17:57. > :18:05.plan B in the event that thd referendum concluded with a lever

:18:06. > :18:10.vote. Lord that the Prime Mhnister set out the terms for Brexit before

:18:11. > :18:16.assuming others because of the nature of the exercise bike which

:18:17. > :18:23.she assumed that office. Nor do we have the white paper setting out

:18:24. > :18:29.proposed terms. Instead, hiding under the cloak of the prerogative,

:18:30. > :18:34.the secretary of state has tntil now declined to give the house take

:18:35. > :18:37.meaningful role in scrutinising the Government's opening terms for

:18:38. > :18:46.negotiation and that matters. I am glad to see there is a Government

:18:47. > :18:50.amendment now, amendment be, and that implies the Government is

:18:51. > :18:59.taking a step in the right direction towards scrutiny.

:19:00. > :19:07.I am grateful to him for giving way. What about an actual vote? H am

:19:08. > :19:14.concerned the amendment does not mention a vote before Article 5 is

:19:15. > :19:18.triggered. That must be crucial I am grateful for the intervention. I

:19:19. > :19:23.will come onto the question of a vote because it is important. But

:19:24. > :19:33.let's take one step at a tile. There is scrutiny and there is. The first

:19:34. > :19:37.question is the plans, which the housemates to see and debatd. The

:19:38. > :19:42.next question is what can the House do about it, which is

:19:43. > :19:46.accountability. I hope that the amendment which has been tabled

:19:47. > :19:50.today indicates the Governmdnt is going further down the routd of

:19:51. > :19:55.scrutiny than they had been prepared to so far. If they are, I whll not

:19:56. > :20:00.crow about it. Because I thhnk it is the right thing to do and it is in

:20:01. > :20:14.the national interest. And we'll have a duty to make sure we get

:20:15. > :20:15.right result for the countrx. Howwood Labour handle the

:20:16. > :20:30.negotiation? I would happilx swap places with the Secretary of State.

:20:31. > :20:36.And play a part in the negotiation. But we're not in Government, and I

:20:37. > :20:42.will answer the first intervention, please, nor did we have in our

:20:43. > :20:51.manifesto, a referendum without a plan for excerpts. And we nded to be

:20:52. > :20:58.clear at the beginning the responsibility for the position we

:20:59. > :21:04.find ourselves in lies with a previous Prime Minister who had no

:21:05. > :21:12.plan for a No vote. I can ghve way to one person at a time. Th`nk you.

:21:13. > :21:17.He mentioned the terms of otr exit and national interest. I cole from a

:21:18. > :21:21.business background. I would like to get a sense on his approach to a

:21:22. > :21:24.successful negotiation. Does he believe the national interest will

:21:25. > :21:26.be best served by the Government explaining in precise detail its

:21:27. > :21:32.negotiating positions beford we have even walked into the room? H will

:21:33. > :21:37.deal with that. That is an dssential question that we need to discuss. I

:21:38. > :21:48.don't think this should be `bout point-scoring across the Hotse.

:21:49. > :21:56.We are debating a fundament`l question, whether the basic plans

:21:57. > :22:01.for a negotiating position will be put before the House or not. That

:22:02. > :22:05.really matters. Of course there is a degree of detail that cannot be gone

:22:06. > :22:08.to, a degree of flexibility that has to be there in any negotiathon, and

:22:09. > :22:11.of course the starting position may not be the imposition. We all accept

:22:12. > :22:15.that. We all accept that. Wd're all grown up. But the question hs

:22:16. > :22:29.whether the basic terms shotld be put before the House. Like the

:22:30. > :22:35.previous Speaker, I also have.. Caroline Fairbairn said that if we

:22:36. > :22:39.were to read into what we h`ve heard so far, it is that we're he`ding

:22:40. > :22:43.towards a cliff edge in 2.5 years. Does he recognise, as I do, there

:22:44. > :22:49.are businesses concerned about the lack of commentary and direction

:22:50. > :22:56.from the Government? I'm gr`teful for that intervention. Therd are two

:22:57. > :23:00.aspects of today's debate. The political aspect, and the qtestion

:23:01. > :23:03.of uncertainty. It is clear that across business, across EU citizens

:23:04. > :23:08.and the population as a whole, there is great uncertainty about the plans

:23:09. > :23:13.and that uncertainty simply cannot be kept in place for the next three

:23:14. > :23:19.years. It is growing uncert`inty. I will give way. I am grateful. I

:23:20. > :23:22.wonder if he could set out from the House what scrutiny there w`s a very

:23:23. > :23:34.Lisbon Treaty when that was ratified under the Gordon Brown Government?

:23:35. > :23:39.There is different scrutiny for different treaties and provhsions.

:23:40. > :23:44.One example is the scrutiny provided in relation to the original decision

:23:45. > :23:49.to go into the EC. Because then as I am sure the abominable Woolnough,

:23:50. > :23:52.command were put before the House. An economic impact assessment was

:23:53. > :23:56.put before the House. Some of those command papers were voted on. The

:23:57. > :24:05.idea that it cannot be done was not done in the past is wrong. He

:24:06. > :24:09.mentioned uncertainty. I have been contacted by businesses in ly

:24:10. > :24:15.constituency that have until recently been growing rapidly and

:24:16. > :24:20.had plans to expand this autumn That has now been cancelled. Because

:24:21. > :24:24.of the uncertainty about our future in the single market and wh`t they

:24:25. > :24:29.see as the Government's headlong rush to a hard Grexit. What can my

:24:30. > :24:32.honourable friend say about Labour's position to reassure those

:24:33. > :24:38.businesses across the whole of Britain who are worried abott our

:24:39. > :24:44.future in the single market. The priority should be the economy and

:24:45. > :24:53.jobs and that means access to the single market. I am going to make

:24:54. > :24:56.progress if I may. I have t`ken ten intervention is already unddr money

:24:57. > :25:01.on page two. If you will be`r with me, I will press on. On Monday, the

:25:02. > :25:04.Secretary of stake in friendly pregnancy will invoke Article 5 , no

:25:05. > :25:09.later than the end of March of next year. Unless Parliament has a

:25:10. > :25:16.meaningful role in shaping the terms of Grexit between now and then, it

:25:17. > :25:20.will be too late. Because I can see what is going to happen. Once the

:25:21. > :25:24.negotiating process is started, there will be a claim by thd

:25:25. > :25:27.Secretary of State that it would be inappropriate to put anything before

:25:28. > :25:35.the House by way of detail `nd once the process is over, any risks or

:25:36. > :25:40.debate will be purely acadelic. On a point of information, that hs not

:25:41. > :25:45.correct. I have said this already. I'm talking to the Lords colmittee

:25:46. > :25:51.in September, I sent the Hotse would have at least the information

:25:52. > :25:56.available to the European Parliament, so that would not be the

:25:57. > :25:59.case. I read the transcript of the Secretary of State's evidence to

:26:00. > :26:07.that select committee. Was put to him was that the European

:26:08. > :26:13.Parliament, on one view, wotld have more answers than this Parlhament

:26:14. > :26:16.because in 2010, as he knows, there was a framework agreement bdtween

:26:17. > :26:21.the Commission and the European Parliament, which states, P`rliament

:26:22. > :26:28.shall be immediately and fully informed at all stages of the

:26:29. > :26:31.negotiation and conclusion of it, including the directives. Ott goes a

:26:32. > :26:38.long way further than I unddrstood the Secretary of State's position to

:26:39. > :26:43.be a Monday. If he can confhrm now that at least that part of scrutiny

:26:44. > :26:51.is guaranteed I will be verx pleased to take that confirmation. H can.

:26:52. > :27:00.Thank you. Why did you say the opposite? Mr Speaker, this hs not

:27:01. > :27:03.just a matter of process. This is a matter of real substance. Both those

:27:04. > :27:08.who voted to leave and thosd who voted to remain in the EU rdcognise

:27:09. > :27:11.that different negotiating stances could provide radically different

:27:12. > :27:17.outcomes. Each of which carry significant risks and opportunities.

:27:18. > :27:21.That is why there is undoubtedly a keen debate going on behind the

:27:22. > :27:24.scenes on the Government side because everybody recognises the

:27:25. > :27:37.potential consequences of adopting the wrong opening stance. Thank you.

:27:38. > :27:40.My honourable friend makes `n excellent case. Does he agrde that

:27:41. > :27:42.the British people may have voted to leave the European Union but they

:27:43. > :27:46.did not vote for their food to become more expensive, wages are low

:27:47. > :27:50.paid workers to be hit and four jobs to be lost in the manufacturing

:27:51. > :27:56.agricultural and banking sectors, which is what we are in danger of if

:27:57. > :28:00.we choose the wrong exit from the European Union. I agree with that.

:28:01. > :28:05.That is what is causing such great anxiety. I doubt there is anyone in

:28:06. > :28:08.this House who has not had constituents, individuals or

:28:09. > :28:15.businesses, approached them with real concerns about the sittation. I

:28:16. > :28:19.am halfway through a sentence. There are different concerns from

:28:20. > :28:28.different businesses and different individuals but I certainly haven't

:28:29. > :28:31.met any... I think the Secrdtary of State would recognise the ddeper

:28:32. > :28:37.levels of concern there are about the uncertainty of the future,

:28:38. > :28:43.across the business community and across individual groups and

:28:44. > :28:49.communities. I will give wax. I am sure I am not alone in having many

:28:50. > :28:54.representations from individuals, amongst the millions of EU citizens

:28:55. > :29:03.living in this country and Britons living abroad, who are deeply

:29:04. > :29:06.insecure about their position. People should not be bargaining

:29:07. > :29:10.chips. Do we not need to make a priority to ensure those individuals

:29:11. > :29:18.and businesses have the sectrity they deserve? Many of us have had

:29:19. > :29:22.anxious conversations with DU citizens or simply wanted to know

:29:23. > :29:30.what their position is and want guarantees about the future. I will

:29:31. > :29:36.make some progress. The moddls for exiting are, some of them, have been

:29:37. > :29:40.discussed. The Norwegian model, the Swiss model, the Turkish model and

:29:41. > :29:46.the Canadian model are the lost cited. It is unlikely that `ny deal

:29:47. > :29:50.between the UK and the EU would replicate any of those models, nor

:29:51. > :29:54.should it. But in negotiating our future relationship with thd EU the

:29:55. > :29:59.Government will be defining the future of our country so thd terms

:30:00. > :30:04.matters hugely. It is frankly astonishing that the Governlent

:30:05. > :30:09.proposes to devise negotiathng terms of our exit from the EU, thdn to

:30:10. > :30:17.negotiate, then to reach a deal without a vote in this Housd. And

:30:18. > :30:23.this is where the opening rdmarks I made become important. Becatse

:30:24. > :30:27.absent anything in the manifesto, absent any words from the Prime

:30:28. > :30:36.Minister before she assumed office, where is the mandate? Nobodx public

:30:37. > :30:42.or in this House, the referdndum is not the mandate for the terls. It is

:30:43. > :30:47.the terms. We have been round this block. Everybody understands the

:30:48. > :30:56.distinction. I have accepted there is a mandate for exit. Therd is no

:30:57. > :31:02.mandate for the terms. It h`s never been put to the country, it has

:31:03. > :31:07.never been put to the Secretary of State's political party and it has

:31:08. > :31:21.not been put to this House, where is the mandate on the terms? Rdference

:31:22. > :31:27.has been made to the Lisbon Treaty, which provides a useful precedent.

:31:28. > :31:31.Is he aware that the policy towards that treaty was debated repdatedly

:31:32. > :31:35.on the floor of this House, beginning with the launch of the

:31:36. > :31:39.European constitution. The Government was then account`ble to

:31:40. > :31:43.this House and the treaty w`s debated days on end on the floor of

:31:44. > :31:48.the House, with repeated votes at several stages in that procdss.

:31:49. > :31:59.Nobody mentioned the words Royal Prerogative of Mercy throughout the

:32:00. > :32:06.entire process. I will come onto that. I think it was debated for

:32:07. > :32:14.about at least 20 days. I whll give way. The issue of the prerogative is

:32:15. > :32:18.key here because in 1924, when there was a Labour Government, we insisted

:32:19. > :32:22.all treaties would be laid before this House for 21 days, so this

:32:23. > :32:27.House and the House of Lords could take a view. That was the Ponsonby

:32:28. > :32:31.rule. Under a Conservative Government, they got rid of it. A

:32:32. > :32:35.Labour Government then reintroduced it and put it on the statutd books.

:32:36. > :32:39.Is it not worrying that minhsters have been going to the Housd of

:32:40. > :32:44.Lords and this Chamber and relying solely on the prerogative in

:32:45. > :32:50.relation to treaties? It is and I am going to deal with the prerogative

:32:51. > :32:57.in some detail. Because the prerogative is not fixed. Its

:32:58. > :33:04.changes over time. And in any event, even if the prerogative may legally

:33:05. > :33:09.allow the executive to procded without scrutiny and accountability

:33:10. > :33:12.in this House, it doesn't prevent scrutiny and accountability. It does

:33:13. > :33:16.not require the Government to proceed in that way. It is being

:33:17. > :33:24.used as a cloak in order to avoid the scrutiny that is needed. Mr

:33:25. > :33:29.Speaker, I will give way... Some of us were here during the Maastricht

:33:30. > :33:34.Treaty, when there were manx votes and where the Government forces of

:33:35. > :33:39.the day were brilliantly whhpped by the present Secretary for Brexit in

:33:40. > :33:44.favour of the Maastricht Trdaty Just to be clear, the honourable

:33:45. > :33:48.gentleman, as I am minded to support his motion, is calling for ` vote on

:33:49. > :33:52.the terms. Not just an examhnation but a vote on the terms before we

:33:53. > :34:06.send the Secretary to negothate Absolutely, but I do take it in two

:34:07. > :34:11.stages because both are important. Scrutiny really matters. Thdre is a

:34:12. > :34:16.separate argument about the vote and I say there should be a votd but

:34:17. > :34:21.what we must not do is get to a situation where in order to resist

:34:22. > :34:26.the vote the secretary of state will not even put the plans before the

:34:27. > :34:32.house. Is it not the case the convdntion is

:34:33. > :34:36.very clearly established th`t a major treaty change must be

:34:37. > :34:40.triggered by an affirmative resolution of this house and the

:34:41. > :34:45.fact it may or may be a convention is still something that must be

:34:46. > :34:50.respected and there are plenty of conventions, such as the ond in

:34:51. > :34:54.Government resigns if it loses the vote of no-confidence is a lot more

:34:55. > :35:02.than a convention but I think the members would be surprised hf those

:35:03. > :35:08.circumstances were not to go. The prerogative has come up so I

:35:09. > :35:11.will deal as it now and substance. Prerogative powers developed at a

:35:12. > :35:18.time when the monarch was both a feudal Lord and head of state. They

:35:19. > :35:23.have changed over time, yielding were necessary to the demands of

:35:24. > :35:30.democratic accountability. There are plenty of examples in the courts of

:35:31. > :35:35.that change. There is also `n example of the prerogative power to

:35:36. > :35:38.commit troops and armed conflict. In theory the Prime Minister and

:35:39. > :35:42.Cabinet retain the constitutional right to decide when and whdre to

:35:43. > :35:47.fight action but in practicd Government in recent times have

:35:48. > :35:52.ensured parliamentary debatd and a votes and responding to the Chilcot

:35:53. > :35:59.earlier this year the then Prime Minister made the point that PMQ 's

:36:00. > :36:02.when he said, I think we now have a set of arrangements and conventions

:36:03. > :36:07.that put the country in a stronger position and it is now a cldar

:36:08. > :36:09.convention we have a vote in this house which we dead on Iraq before

:36:10. > :36:22.military action. -- we dead on Iraq. I will complete this section, if I

:36:23. > :36:27.may. The underlying premise of the development of the prerogathve is

:36:28. > :36:31.clear and obvious. The more significant the decision in question

:36:32. > :36:35.and the more serious the possible consequences the greater thd need

:36:36. > :36:40.for meaningful scrutiny. Th`t lies at the heart of it and it is hard to

:36:41. > :36:43.think of the most significant set of decisions with serious consdquences

:36:44. > :36:51.than the terms on which we leave the EU. All of this is well-known to the

:36:52. > :36:56.secretary of state. She tabled a ten minute rule Bill in 1999 whhch

:36:57. > :37:03.concern the exercise of certain powers of ministers of the Crown.

:37:04. > :37:12.When he introduced the bill in 999 the right honourable member said and

:37:13. > :37:16.I will quote him, "Executivd decisions by the Government should

:37:17. > :37:22.be subject to scrutiny by P`rliament and many other areas. The bhll sets

:37:23. > :37:24.out to make the bill is subject to parliamentary approval giving

:37:25. > :37:29.Parliament right of approval for all excess power was not conferred by

:37:30. > :37:35.statute for the ratification of treaties to the approval of others

:37:36. > :37:41.and counsel to the appointmdnt of members of the Bank of Engl`nd,

:37:42. > :37:44.etc." The secretary of statd has changed his position. Back then he

:37:45. > :37:51.recognised the prerogative to be subject to Parliament. The

:37:52. > :37:56.progressive movement is usu`lly in favour of greater accountabhlity and

:37:57. > :38:01.not less. The fact he argued it 20 years ago is not against dohng it

:38:02. > :38:04.now. That bill did not proceed btt the

:38:05. > :38:11.principles are clear and set out. The prerogative is not fixed,

:38:12. > :38:15.parliamentary practice and convention can change the

:38:16. > :38:22.prerogative, it has done so, what I fall back on my primary point, which

:38:23. > :38:27.is even if the prerogative permits the Government to withhold the plans

:38:28. > :38:30.from Parliament, it does not require it to do and political

:38:31. > :38:32.accountability requires the Government to put its plans before

:38:33. > :38:38.the house. I will give way. I think he is

:38:39. > :38:48.missing one rather important fact which there has been a vote of the

:38:49. > :38:53.British people. A vote delegated to the... A vote delegated to the

:38:54. > :38:58.British people by the terms of the referendum act. The questions he is

:38:59. > :39:03.to answer, supposing that w`s a vote in this house, how would yot vote?

:39:04. > :39:09.Would you vote against Article 0 importation or in favour? Ghve a

:39:10. > :39:16.straight answer to that. I will not take long responding to

:39:17. > :39:22.that. I have made the point, the mandate on the 23rd of June was not

:39:23. > :39:28.a mandate on the terms. I think most people understand that. I w`nt to

:39:29. > :39:32.make this point because that is the question of how would you vote and

:39:33. > :39:37.what would you vote on and what happens if Parliament does not like

:39:38. > :39:45.the terms. The secretary of state in his statement on the 5th of

:39:46. > :39:51.September emphasised he was going to consult widely, including the

:39:52. > :39:54.devolved countries, which are very important in this and deserves

:39:55. > :40:01.scrutiny and how it will impact those countries, he said he would

:40:02. > :40:06.consult widely and, strive to build a national consensus around our

:40:07. > :40:10.approach. The question for the secretary of state is how to build a

:40:11. > :40:15.consensus around your appro`ch if you will not help that housd what

:40:16. > :40:22.you approach is? -- will not tell us house.

:40:23. > :40:25.I am grateful to the honour`ble gentleman for giving way and he is a

:40:26. > :40:35.first rate lawyer of intern`tional renown. It is a pleasure to hear

:40:36. > :40:39.developers argument but I al interested in what he said `bout

:40:40. > :40:42.devolved administrations. Does he agree the Scottish Government and

:40:43. > :40:48.other devolved administrations should have a central role hn

:40:49. > :40:51.negotiations on the UK's perms for exiting the EU and when he `nd his

:40:52. > :41:00.party throw their weight behind that argument. I absolutely agred and we

:41:01. > :41:04.will throw our weight behind it The Prime Minister signalled th`t by the

:41:05. > :41:09.early advisers when she asstmed others. I was hesitant to ask that

:41:10. > :41:16.encase I got relegated to sdcond or even third rate I will press on

:41:17. > :41:23.I was just about to say to the honourable gentleman you will

:41:24. > :41:31.remember that I obvious written -- reiterated the support of hhs

:41:32. > :41:41.standing as a lawyer. I will give way.

:41:42. > :41:47.Can I unreservedly withdraw the allegation

:41:48. > :41:52.I made on Monday only on thd basis it was clumsy and not met about him

:41:53. > :42:00.and I do not doubt for one loment his capabilities as a lawyer.

:42:01. > :42:06.I am grateful for that and H can assure him and the house I was not

:42:07. > :42:10.in the slightest bit concerned. I am grateful to the so many people who

:42:11. > :42:17.were concerned but I was not in the slightest bit concerned. I consider

:42:18. > :42:21.the matter closed. This question of the brawl... I will

:42:22. > :42:29.press on because I am conschous that are very many people who want to

:42:30. > :42:35.come in. I hope I will not relegated straightaway.

:42:36. > :42:39.She said it was important for the Government to come before hdre and

:42:40. > :42:42.specifically lay out their negotiating position. Can I ask is

:42:43. > :42:46.simple question, when he saxs there was a simple question on thd ballot

:42:47. > :42:50.paper about whether we should leave or not leave the EU will he tell us

:42:51. > :42:59.what is the simple definition of leaving the EU? Is it the

:43:00. > :43:04.non-application of European law Law, there are very different models

:43:05. > :43:09.for leaving. -- load. We must be clear what is happening bec`use is

:43:10. > :43:13.important when we come to the bottom of treaties because we're ldaving

:43:14. > :43:18.one entreaty and almost certainly signing new treaties. It is not just

:43:19. > :43:23.about exiting one treaty. I have not yet met anybody who suggestdd there

:43:24. > :43:30.should be no relationship bdtween the UK and the EU and as soleone...

:43:31. > :43:34.As someone who spent five ydars dealing with counterterrorism and

:43:35. > :43:39.criminal offences across Europe it is inconceivable we will not be

:43:40. > :43:43.signing new treaties with the EU because to do otherwise we would

:43:44. > :43:47.undermine our situation. I will press on because I am conschous many

:43:48. > :43:52.people want to come in and H have sat on the backbenches getthng

:43:53. > :43:57.irritated by those on the front bench taking up all the timd. This

:43:58. > :44:02.is a matter of parliamentarx sovereignty rate but not a political

:44:03. > :44:07.point, albeit a very Baltic -- albeit an important politic`l point.

:44:08. > :44:11.By proceeding in this manner the Government causes huge anxidty. In

:44:12. > :44:15.the Conservative manifesto that was a commitment to safeguard British

:44:16. > :44:17.interests in the single market in recent weeks the Government has

:44:18. > :44:22.emphasised membership of thd single market may not be a prioritx for

:44:23. > :44:25.Brexit negotiations. Among the secretary of state said it was not

:44:26. > :44:29.necessary for the UK to rem`in a member of the single market and then

:44:30. > :44:35.there was a telling exchangd between him and the honourable membdr for

:44:36. > :44:40.Ilford North when the words of the Foreign Secretary were put to him in

:44:41. > :44:42.relation to EU citizens. Thd secretary of state answered, I've

:44:43. > :44:47.got the full answer because I was struck by it at the time, hd said,

:44:48. > :44:52.the simple answer is we will seek to get the most open barrier free

:44:53. > :44:57.market we can, that will be as good as a single market.

:44:58. > :45:03.It is always hard to know whether the secretary of state is m`sking,

:45:04. > :45:06.but if that is the position that is a significant statement and a

:45:07. > :45:12.significant position and it lies with the approach apparentlx taken

:45:13. > :45:15.by the Prime Minister who increasingly obvious to extrapolate

:45:16. > :45:20.from the leave a vote that hs an overwhelming case for a hard Brexit

:45:21. > :45:28.that does not prioritise jobs or strength of our economy.

:45:29. > :45:31.I will give way. I would like to reassure him and also congr`tulate

:45:32. > :45:35.him on taking it very factu`l tone for this debate there are m`ny of us

:45:36. > :45:38.on the Government benches who will do all they can to preserve the

:45:39. > :45:43.benefits of access to the shngle market for local businesses. May I

:45:44. > :45:48.also remind them of the party behind him, seven out of ten of his members

:45:49. > :45:51.represent constituencies in order to leave and I think the pragm`tic

:45:52. > :45:58.rather than procedural approach is to rid the Government's amendment,

:45:59. > :46:02.suggesting it would be negotiating madness for their spouse to have a

:46:03. > :46:06.blow by blow scrutiny for the terms of exit. Why does he not support the

:46:07. > :46:14.Government's method which achieves what we all want, not a hard or soft

:46:15. > :46:20.Brexit but a smart Brexit. I know there is a lot of sh`red

:46:21. > :46:28.concern across the house about the terms of exit. I have looked at the

:46:29. > :46:32.amendment and can I make it plain nothing in the motion is intended to

:46:33. > :46:39.undermine or frustrates the vote on the 23rd of June. Nor is it intended

:46:40. > :46:43.to frustrate the negotiations. We all understand they have today take

:46:44. > :46:48.place and there will have to be a degree of confidentiality btt that

:46:49. > :46:54.does not prevent the plans, basic outline, broad terms, being put

:46:55. > :46:58.before the house. That is why I am waiting to see what the secretary of

:46:59. > :47:03.state says. I heard the Prile Minister at the end of Primd

:47:04. > :47:08.Minister's Questions indicating we had to statements from the secretary

:47:09. > :47:14.of state, there was a select committee... To statements from the

:47:15. > :47:25.secretary of state, that's what I thought I said. To statements, a

:47:26. > :47:29.select committee -- two statements. If all the amendment means hs that

:47:30. > :47:33.we will get similar statements to the two we have already had it does

:47:34. > :47:43.not give much comfort. If wd are to get more we shall see. Let le move

:47:44. > :47:47.on. Will he use this opportunitx to

:47:48. > :47:50.outline clearly the Labour Party's position on single market mdmbership

:47:51. > :47:55.because yesterday in the Evdning Standard we had the Mayor of London

:47:56. > :47:59.warning against irresponsible hard Brexit and departure from the single

:48:00. > :48:03.market being deeply irresponsible. Two weeks ago and the National

:48:04. > :48:10.Assembly for Wales beheaded Labour Government warping of the Tory

:48:11. > :48:13.Government against single m`rket membership -- we had the Welsh

:48:14. > :48:22.Labour Government of voting but the Tory Government.

:48:23. > :48:24.There has been understandable uncertainty in business,

:48:25. > :48:30.universities, trade unions `nd investors on people on both sides of

:48:31. > :48:34.the referendum. The head of the CBI warned hard Brexit would close the

:48:35. > :48:38.door and open economy and an open letter signed by business ldaders

:48:39. > :48:42.that leaving the EU without a preferential trade deal and

:48:43. > :48:47.defaulting to WTO rules would have a significant cost for petition

:48:48. > :48:50.exports and imports. These `re just the institutions. So partly

:48:51. > :48:53.Government has made a broad statements concerning the principle

:48:54. > :48:57.of protecting the rights of EU citizens already here. In hhs

:48:58. > :49:00.statement on Monday the secretary of state suggested the Governmdnt is

:49:01. > :49:04.doing everything possible to guarantee the position of ET

:49:05. > :49:07.citizens resident in the UK but at the same time seeking to do the same

:49:08. > :49:16.with British nationals in other parts of the EU. That tone hs at

:49:17. > :49:18.odds with statements made bx other Government ministers, most notably

:49:19. > :49:20.the secretary of state for international trade who is speaking

:49:21. > :49:26.at the Conservative Party conference last week told Conservative Party

:49:27. > :49:31.members that, we would like to give reassuring to EU national in the UK

:49:32. > :49:36.but that depends on the way they deal with other countries, to give

:49:37. > :49:42.them away before and that negotiations would be to hand over

:49:43. > :49:45.one of our main parts. Putthng EU citizens as bargaining chips. That

:49:46. > :49:48.is not good enough and many EU citizens in the UK for many years

:49:49. > :49:53.and their kids deserve bettdr treatment than this.

:49:54. > :50:05.We believe the Government should end this uncertainty in the market. We

:50:06. > :50:10.accept concern about immigr`tion and freedom of movement where an

:50:11. > :50:13.important issue in the referendum and that in light of the results,

:50:14. > :50:18.adjustments to the freedom of movement will have to be part of a

:50:19. > :50:22.negotiating process. We must establish their migration rtles as

:50:23. > :50:25.part of new relationship thd EU But nobody voted on the 23rd of June to

:50:26. > :50:34.take an axe to the economy or to destroy jobs and livelihoods. A

:50:35. > :50:40.clear majority of Ashfield voted out and I respect that. Ashfield is an

:50:41. > :50:45.ex-mining community. The good economic times were never fdlt as

:50:46. > :50:49.good up there, the bad times where. We don't have good jobs as ht is. Is

:50:50. > :50:55.it not imperative we do not lose the good jobs that we do have? H could

:50:56. > :51:04.not agree more. I am grateftl for that intervention. I really don t

:51:05. > :51:09.think I can be criticised for not taking enough interventions.

:51:10. > :51:13.Concerns over freedom of movement must be balanced by concerns over

:51:14. > :51:16.jobs, trade and the strength of our economy. Striking the balance and

:51:17. > :51:20.navigating our exit from thd EU will not be easy and will requird shrewd

:51:21. > :51:24.negotiation. The Government must not give up on the best possibld deal

:51:25. > :51:28.for Britain before it has even started. The Government must put the

:51:29. > :51:34.national interest first and not out of pressure from backbenchers, for

:51:35. > :51:38.hard Brexit, this means prioritising access to the single market,

:51:39. > :51:42.protecting workers' rights, ensuring that common police and security

:51:43. > :51:49.measures are not weakened and ensuring our economy is abld to

:51:50. > :51:54.trade with are most important market. I touched on the town of

:51:55. > :51:59.discussions on Monday. Many people have been appalled at some of the

:52:00. > :52:02.language used in relation to exiting the EU. An essential step in that

:52:03. > :52:08.process is to publish the b`sic plans for Brexit and to seek the

:52:09. > :52:13.confidence of the House of Commons. This motion is intended to dnsure

:52:14. > :52:17.that scrutiny and that accountability. And I will listen,

:52:18. > :52:21.of course, to what the Secrdtary of State says in relation to hhs

:52:22. > :52:27.amendment and I will give w`y to him. A point of information, is his

:52:28. > :52:37.motion requiring a guaranted of a vote? I'm not quite sure. A prior

:52:38. > :52:42.vote? Is that what he is after? The motion before the House is clear as

:52:43. > :52:45.to scrutiny. So, it is the first part. There is a question of event

:52:46. > :52:50.and I will make it absolutely clear I am pressing for a vote th`t this

:52:51. > :52:59.exercise will obviously be going on for some time. We will have plenty

:53:00. > :53:02.of these skirmishes. I am anxious that we have first proper scrutiny

:53:03. > :53:08.and also a vote. What I don't want to do is to jeopardise the scrutiny

:53:09. > :53:12.by a vote against the vote. So, anybody in this House on all sides

:53:13. > :53:16.who want scrutiny, can happhly support the motion and I will listen

:53:17. > :53:21.carefully to what the Secretary of State says when he speaks about the

:53:22. > :53:25.amendment. But this is a serious challenge. These are the most

:53:26. > :53:28.important decisions for a generation. And the role of this

:53:29. > :53:34.House is a fundamental important issue that we have to ensurd is

:53:35. > :53:40.compatible with scrutiny and accountability. Thank you, Lr

:53:41. > :53:44.Speaker. The question is as on the order paper. I call the Secretary of

:53:45. > :53:57.State for Exiting the Europdan Union, David Davis. Thank you.

:53:58. > :54:03.Another day, another outing. I knew they would like that. For the

:54:04. > :54:11.avoidance of doubt, the Secretary of State moves the amendment. Thank

:54:12. > :54:14.you. I am glad to hear the Labour Party spokesman is accepting we must

:54:15. > :54:24.respect the decision of the people. I think that is important. H will

:54:25. > :54:30.come back to why it is not clear in less than a minute. He also went on

:54:31. > :54:33.to say we do not want to sed point-scoring. And I rather agree.

:54:34. > :54:42.This is too important an issue for that. The House should know that

:54:43. > :54:46.this morning I received a ldtter from the Shadow Secretary of State

:54:47. > :54:48.and his predecessor, it was extremely flattering about ly

:54:49. > :54:54.history of standing up for the rights of Parliament and so on. It

:54:55. > :55:01.then went on to pounds 170 puestions about our negotiating. 170. To give

:55:02. > :55:05.you an idea of how much of ` stunt this was, that one question derogate

:55:06. > :55:19.from now until the triggering of Article 50. And worse than that ..

:55:20. > :55:26.Some of the questions in thhs very long list, some of them are requests

:55:27. > :55:36.to pre-emptively concede eldments of our negotiating strategy. I give

:55:37. > :55:39.way. I am grateful for the Secretary of State giving way. The Sh`dow

:55:40. > :55:42.Secretary of State would not do so. I have been listening careftlly to

:55:43. > :55:46.this debate and the Shadow Secretary of State talked about respecting the

:55:47. > :55:51.vote of 23rd of June. The vote was clear we are to leave the Etropean

:55:52. > :55:55.Union. You cannot leave the EU without triggering Article 40. That

:55:56. > :55:58.is where negotiations start. Therefore, the details he w`nts to

:55:59. > :56:03.scrutinise begin at that pohnt. Therefore, should not be thd

:56:04. > :56:06.Government's right to triggdr Article 50, as per the instruction

:56:07. > :56:10.of the British people, to go ahead and then we begin the negothation?

:56:11. > :56:21.My honourable friend is exactly right. That is the premise tpon

:56:22. > :56:28.which we are advancing. That is not to say that if he waits for a moment

:56:29. > :56:31.I will give way to him, the premise upon which we are advancing is that

:56:32. > :56:35.we should have proper scruthny. I will go through that in a mhnute.

:56:36. > :56:39.But it is not one in which we will allow anybody to veto the ddcision

:56:40. > :56:48.of the British people. That is the point. I will now give way. If it is

:56:49. > :56:52.really the case that Articld 50 at the start of the process and we can

:56:53. > :56:56.start scrutinising after th`t, why is it that Article 50 will only be

:56:57. > :57:00.triggered nine months after the vote? Surely it is because there is

:57:01. > :57:06.a huge amount of preparation to be done? It is because it takes a

:57:07. > :57:16.little while to prepare the negotiating strategy! A point I will

:57:17. > :57:19.return to. I will give way. Can the Secretary of State address this If

:57:20. > :57:24.there is not parliamentary ` centre for the negotiating position he

:57:25. > :57:28.takes into the negotiations, how can there possibly be parliamentary a

:57:29. > :57:31.cent for the result of the negotiations? Unless he pulls off

:57:32. > :57:40.the remarkable trick of getting a better deal than he is asking for? I

:57:41. > :57:57.will go through the stages of assent. It is a reasonable point.

:57:58. > :58:02.One more time. Is a long-st`nding Brexiteer, might I take him back to

:58:03. > :58:10.the reasons why the Governmdnt wants to so early action Article 40? What

:58:11. > :58:13.is behind that? And is therd any possibility that this statelent

:58:14. > :58:19.might take on the colour of the statement from the Home Secretary

:58:20. > :58:24.about foreign workers? Now, I don't think so. He asked the question with

:58:25. > :58:29.some seriousness. Part of the reasoning here is that the Prime

:58:30. > :58:34.Minister quite reasonably fdels that the people want this process to be

:58:35. > :58:41.under way. If you believe opinion polls, this is the case. Thd leader

:58:42. > :58:50.of his party said we should trigger it immediately. What we are doing is

:58:51. > :58:54.we're putting it together, the negotiating strategy which requires

:58:55. > :59:00.an enormous amount of work. Some will become public as we go along. I

:59:01. > :59:04.am determined, as you would expect, that Parliament be fully and

:59:05. > :59:07.properly engaged in how we lake a success of Brexit. Turning to the

:59:08. > :59:14.motion setup for this Opposhtion Day, the motion that I can broadly

:59:15. > :59:17.welcome, but with important caveats. The caveats are why the Govdrnment

:59:18. > :59:21.at the moment is necessary, to make sure the decision the peopld made on

:59:22. > :59:27.June 23 is fully respected. That is the first key point. We need to be

:59:28. > :59:33.explicit that while we commdnd and welcome parliamentary scruthny, but

:59:34. > :59:36.must not be used as a vehicle to undermine the Government negotiating

:59:37. > :59:40.position or to thwart Brexit. Both things are important. The

:59:41. > :59:45.negotiation will be complex and difficult and we should do nothing

:59:46. > :59:48.to jeopardise it. As I said on Monday, the honourable gentleman

:59:49. > :59:51.quoted me many times, the sovereignty of Parliament and its

:59:52. > :59:59.restoration is at the very heart of why the UK is withdrawing from the

:00:00. > :00:02.European Union. Not for a moment. For decades, the primacy of the UK

:00:03. > :00:06.Parliament has been superseded by decisions made in the EU

:00:07. > :00:10.institutions but now, following the construction of voters under the

:00:11. > :00:14.referendum of June 23, we c`n finally change that and put

:00:15. > :00:22.Parliament unequivocally in charge. Now, that's exactly why we `nnounced

:00:23. > :00:27.plans for the Great Repeal Bill last week. It is a clear commitmdnt to

:00:28. > :00:30.end the primacy of EU law. Ht will return sovereignty to the

:00:31. > :00:34.institutions of the UK becatse that's what the referendum was

:00:35. > :00:37.about, about taking back control. Naturally, Parliament will oversee

:00:38. > :00:42.the passage of that Bill, which will allow us to ensure our stattte book

:00:43. > :00:45.is fit for purpose on the d`te we leave the European Union. Then it

:00:46. > :00:49.will be for parliament allowed to determine what changes best suit the

:00:50. > :01:01.national interest. Let me address that. The honourable gentlelan is

:01:02. > :01:04.first? I am grateful. I havd long heard the honourable gentlelan's

:01:05. > :01:10.support of the scrutiny of Parliament. Will he therefore

:01:11. > :01:16.presented to Parliament and have a vote in parliament on the opening

:01:17. > :01:23.position of the Government on the terms which he is presenting for

:01:24. > :01:27.negotiation to the European Union? I will come back to some of that

:01:28. > :01:30.later. But what I will not `llow is any party to have a veto on the

:01:31. > :01:38.decision to leave the Europdan Union. That is the first kex

:01:39. > :01:41.decision. I give way. I find this argument that somehow Parli`ment

:01:42. > :01:47.wishes to thwart the will of the people a complete straw man. As has

:01:48. > :01:50.been pointed out, seven out of ten Labour MPs are in constituencies

:01:51. > :01:55.where a majority of people voted to leave. As a Democrat, I cannot

:01:56. > :01:59.ignore that and accept the result. Therefore, while right honotrable

:02:00. > :02:06.gentleman running scared of parliamentary scrutiny? Hardly

:02:07. > :02:10.running scared of parliamentary scrutiny, two appearances bdfore a

:02:11. > :02:14.select committee, in about two and half weeks of parliamentary session.

:02:15. > :02:26.Leaving the EU is a momentots decision. Let's be clear we agree on

:02:27. > :02:29.that. With such a huge turnout, 72%, with over 33 million people having

:02:30. > :02:34.their say, there is an overwhelming mandate to put the will of the

:02:35. > :02:43.British people into practicd. I spoke at length in my plan to make a

:02:44. > :02:47.success of Brexit. As I said, first, we want to build a national

:02:48. > :02:52.consensus around our position. I have already promised to listen to

:02:53. > :02:54.all sides of the debate and make sure we fight our negotiation for

:02:55. > :03:00.the best deal in the countrx. You cannot do that in secrecy. We will

:03:01. > :03:05.put the national interest fhrst We will listen carefully to wh`t the

:03:06. > :03:10.devolved administrations sax to us. My third aim is that wherevdr

:03:11. > :03:13.possible, and it is not alw`ys possible, we will minimise

:03:14. > :03:16.uncertainty. That is part of what the Great Repeal Bill is about.

:03:17. > :03:22.Bringing existing EU law into domestic law. And empowering

:03:23. > :03:26.Parliament to make the changes necessary to reflect our new

:03:27. > :03:35.relationship. Finally, by the end of the process, when we have ldft the

:03:36. > :03:39.EU, we will have put soverehgnty to Parliament. The ayes of the world

:03:40. > :03:57.are upon us. I am, concerned about the Sterlings

:03:58. > :04:01.and the Prime Minister's colments last week and many people in the

:04:02. > :04:05.country do not think that is the policy in the national interest

:04:06. > :04:11.there is a policy to put narrow ideological interests first. What

:04:12. > :04:15.they are setting out is how we're going to predict but as jobs and

:04:16. > :04:24.businesses and put ideology in the past, where it belongs.

:04:25. > :04:29.I hardly think it is ideology. I do. I hardly think it is ideology to

:04:30. > :04:36.reflect the will of the British people. I am very grateful to him

:04:37. > :04:41.giving way. Woods he agreed with the Italian Prime Minister when he said

:04:42. > :04:45.we had to make Brexit work for the EU and the UK because if we do not

:04:46. > :04:51.it would make a mockery of democracy? That is not ideology He

:04:52. > :04:58.is right and nobody in this exercise from the other side of the `rgument

:04:59. > :05:02.has quite pointed out how odd it is fellow democracies, allies hndeed,

:05:03. > :05:13.threatened to punish each other for the exercise of democratic rights. I

:05:14. > :05:21.want to take up the honourable lady point. People naturally want to

:05:22. > :05:25.understand where we are heading and we have been quite clear on the

:05:26. > :05:31.overarching aims, not the ddtailed aims, we are not even at thd point

:05:32. > :05:38.that is possible. The overarching themes IDs, bring back control of

:05:39. > :05:42.laws to bring back decision over immigration, maintaining a strong

:05:43. > :05:45.security cooperation with the EU and establishing the freest possible

:05:46. > :05:51.market in goods and services with the EU and the rest of the world. I

:05:52. > :05:57.cannot see how those are not very clear overarching objectives.

:05:58. > :06:01.I thank the secretary of st`te for giving way and can I say it would be

:06:02. > :06:04.helpful to businesses to give as much clarity as possible ovdr the

:06:05. > :06:10.likely future trading arrangements. I was concerned to see it b`nk

:06:11. > :06:16.announced yesterday the intdntion to locate activities outside of the UK.

:06:17. > :06:20.So let me say, the more clarity we can give without prejudicing our

:06:21. > :06:23.negotiating position the better it will be for British businesses

:06:24. > :06:27.because there is a danger some minute decisions in the next three

:06:28. > :06:32.or four months. I'd take his point and the hssue one

:06:33. > :06:38.must bear in mind is we can get clarity as we go along about the

:06:39. > :06:43.negotiating strategy and gr`nd terms but what we cannot do is tell

:06:44. > :06:51.anybody, business or otherwhse, where we will arrive at bec`use it

:06:52. > :06:55.is a negotiation. It is a negotiation and a negotiation is not

:06:56. > :07:03.entirely within the control of one country. I give way.

:07:04. > :07:09.The honourable gentleman for the look-mac has just said on the

:07:10. > :07:16.politics show at lunchtime ht is likely the Government will publish a

:07:17. > :07:19.green paper or white paper with its proposals to form the basis of

:07:20. > :07:27.consultation before the triggering of article 50. Now, is this the

:07:28. > :07:34.latest hand U-turn and what has the Minister got to say? Law is the

:07:35. > :07:43.answer. A half your time is the right time, I think. -- calf U-turn.

:07:44. > :07:48.I want to say this, one of the things we've sought to clarhfy early

:07:49. > :07:52.which does not have the cost to the negotiating terms is the trdatment

:07:53. > :07:58.of employment rights for workers and that we made clear in the shn, just

:07:59. > :08:01.as I tried to do with the status of EU migrants here. We can do those

:08:02. > :08:04.things are the status of EU migrants here. We can do those things are

:08:05. > :08:06.they, we cannot, as he well knows as he is negotiated a number of things,

:08:07. > :08:16.you cannot give away your negotiating strategy early. In a

:08:17. > :08:20.moment. Not for the moment. Let me finish this section and then I will

:08:21. > :08:28.give way. We have got these are the obvious

:08:29. > :08:35.overarching strategic aims, they are clear, not remotely doubtful and

:08:36. > :08:38.might only view but it must be Labour don't want to recognhse its

:08:39. > :08:43.because some of them are uncomfortable with it. They have a

:08:44. > :08:47.policy which is, at not quite entirely sure what it is, about

:08:48. > :08:56.completely unspecified. I whll do. completely unspecified. I whll do.

:08:57. > :08:59.Are we going to get more th`n laws four short sentences? Are wd going

:09:00. > :09:09.to get a plan? That is the simple question. He will have to w`it for

:09:10. > :09:15.that. At the moment of the reason this has not been promised before

:09:16. > :09:19.the end of March is it takes time. We are meeting organisations across

:09:20. > :09:25.the country from treated industry, telecoms, financial services,

:09:26. > :09:29.agriculture, energy, Nation`l Council of voluntary organisations,

:09:30. > :09:34.universities, TUC. All thesd organisations are putting to us

:09:35. > :09:38.their concerns and some of them are incredibly serious concerns. We will

:09:39. > :09:42.deal with them and we are focusing on doing with those concerns and

:09:43. > :09:46.establishing what opportunities there are because there are

:09:47. > :09:49.significant opportunities and then devising it negotiating str`tegy

:09:50. > :09:54.that serves the interests of the whole country, all of them, not one

:09:55. > :09:59.at the time. I give way. My constituency has the third

:10:00. > :10:04.highest financial sector employment of any in the UK. As a shard my

:10:05. > :10:09.concern at worst employees hn that sector do not do the detail of the

:10:10. > :10:17.Government's position they do here from those employers who ard looking

:10:18. > :10:22.to move out of this country? -- share my concern that those

:10:23. > :10:27.employees? In the immediate aftermath of the vote there was an

:10:28. > :10:32.extraordinary outpouring of grief but the blame Brexit Festiv`l, if

:10:33. > :10:37.you like. We saw it ranging from the Italian Finance Minister bl`mes

:10:38. > :10:41.others for the state of his bond markets, to banks in this country is

:10:42. > :10:48.saying they are laying people off because of Brexit would turn out to

:10:49. > :10:54.be entirely untrue. So I wotld have some sympathy with employees who

:10:55. > :11:00.have made nervous by employdrs who are guessing the worst outcome. I

:11:01. > :11:04.give way. I would urge him to take a lore

:11:05. > :11:10.constructive approach with those who have sincere anxieties about the

:11:11. > :11:15.future. In the Northeast 58$ of our exports go to EU countries,

:11:16. > :11:19.regardless of how anyone voted in the referendum, they did not vote to

:11:20. > :11:22.lose those jobs that all thd terms of eggs are essential and does the

:11:23. > :11:29.secretary of state recognisdd parliamentary scrutiny is therefore

:11:30. > :11:32.essential. -- therefore the terms of exit. I am in favour of

:11:33. > :11:40.parliamentary scrutiny and part of the reason is a recognition of

:11:41. > :11:45.concerns about their own job futures. That is why we havd said in

:11:46. > :11:48.terms with want to get the free trade arrangement which is `t least

:11:49. > :11:55.as good as what we have now both in terms of the EU but also outside. I

:11:56. > :12:00.give way to the honourable lady Could I tempt him to just ptt some

:12:01. > :12:04.flesh on to the bones on immigration? Has the Governlent

:12:05. > :12:12.arrived at the decision to give EU citizens currently hear the rights

:12:13. > :12:17.they have on June 23? Have `greed to break the link between tradd and

:12:18. > :12:21.people? Have agreed EU citizen should have the same condithons for

:12:22. > :12:26.immigration as non-EU citizdns? There must be some broad prhnciples

:12:27. > :12:30.he could share the house. Let me deal with the first hssue she

:12:31. > :12:37.raised, treatment of current EU migrants. I have said in terms and

:12:38. > :12:41.it was quoted by the honour`ble gentleman, we seek to give them

:12:42. > :12:45.guarantees as good as what they have now. The only condition is we get

:12:46. > :12:51.the same guarantees for British citizens. Far from making pdople

:12:52. > :12:56.bargaining chips, treating them as a group of boys making them b`rgaining

:12:57. > :13:03.chips. In terms of other aspects of the immigration policy is to bring

:13:04. > :13:08.the control back to the UK ,- treating them as a group stops them

:13:09. > :13:13.being bargaining chips. It lust be decide what here in this hotse by a

:13:14. > :13:19.British Government and subjdct to parliamentary oversight and control.

:13:20. > :13:26.I will make some progress and give way in a moment.

:13:27. > :13:30.The return to the opposition's motion, they say there should be a

:13:31. > :13:36.full and transparent debate on the Government's plan for leaving the

:13:37. > :13:39.EU. I agree. At the same tile I am sure we all agree nothing should be

:13:40. > :13:43.done to compromising nation`l interest in a negotiation. H think

:13:44. > :13:51.the honourable gentleman sahd that in his opening speech. I can list

:13:52. > :13:57.the whole series of 100 questions answered, oral statements and the

:13:58. > :14:06.house knows all this. We ard not as a department being... In a loment.

:14:07. > :14:12.We're not being back with an appealing in front of the house the

:14:13. > :14:17.house may not be overwhelmed with the detail of the answer yet, hardly

:14:18. > :14:22.surprising, we are only a a few weeks into the process, six months

:14:23. > :14:26.away from the end of the process. That does not surprise me, but the

:14:27. > :14:30.simple truth is we are appe`ring regularly in front of your house and

:14:31. > :14:37.seeking to give as much as they can. I give way.

:14:38. > :14:41.I am grateful. He said a molent ago the repeal bill will give us some

:14:42. > :14:46.certainty so, asked for somd certainty on environmental

:14:47. > :14:50.legislation because even whdn EU legislation has been enshrined in EU

:14:51. > :14:55.or -- UK law would need to know the extent of any future changes will be

:14:56. > :14:59.subject to parliamentary scrutiny and vote and also what kind of

:15:00. > :15:04.accountability mechanisms hd is imagining to be in place because

:15:05. > :15:09.once we leave the EU we leave - lose access to the commission. How

:15:10. > :15:18.is that become traditional? It is entirely subject to the will

:15:19. > :15:22.of the house. Any Government seeking to alter it will have to get the

:15:23. > :15:27.permission of the house and devote to the house. It will also be on the

:15:28. > :15:35.British courts, which is thd other aspects she asked about.

:15:36. > :15:40.Following up on the question from my right honourable friend for

:15:41. > :15:47.Edgbaston, could be right honourable gentlemen please tell us now has the

:15:48. > :15:54.Government 's turned its back on membership of the single market Yes

:15:55. > :15:58.or no, please. I'm afraid that intervention is a

:15:59. > :16:02.demonstration of what is ond of the problems we have of the language

:16:03. > :16:08.over this. We have are people talking about hard Brexit and soft

:16:09. > :16:13.Brexit, which means very little we have had an attempt to pigeonhole

:16:14. > :16:18.what could be any one of a whole range of outcomes in market terms.

:16:19. > :16:26.We have not started a negothation with the EU yet, not started the

:16:27. > :16:31.negotiation and there is a whole spectrum from free-trade arda to

:16:32. > :16:39.customs union to the single market arrangement. The honourable

:16:40. > :16:42.gentleman, the spokesman for the opposition led out some of them We

:16:43. > :16:49.will not go for a Norwegian option or a Scottish option audio ,- not go

:16:50. > :16:56.for a Turkish option, we will go for a British option.

:16:57. > :16:59.I am grateful to the right honourable gentlemen but he has not

:17:00. > :17:02.answered the very reasonabld question from his honourabld friend

:17:03. > :17:07.illustrating the point he is struggling to make them can be found

:17:08. > :17:11.in these words from Andrew Khan who said, I find it shocking David

:17:12. > :17:16.Cameron prohibited the civil service from doing preparatory work. It was

:17:17. > :17:19.a humiliation for this country are partners in Europe should s`y you

:17:20. > :17:24.have voted for this but you have no idea what you want. Can the right

:17:25. > :17:27.honourable gentlemen give any plausible explanation for this

:17:28. > :17:36.serious dereliction of duty by the former Prime Minister?

:17:37. > :17:42.There are many things I will say at the dispatch box are critichsing

:17:43. > :17:52.David Cameron is not one of them. -- box criticising David Cameron is not

:17:53. > :17:58.one of them. In a moment. All right. I am most grateful. Cap and Neil

:17:59. > :18:01.that line once and for all. The public administration and the select

:18:02. > :18:06.committee took evidence frol Sir Jeremy Heywood 's and he confirms

:18:07. > :18:11.senior civil servants were leeting before the referendum to discuss the

:18:12. > :18:15.outcomes, including the possibility the country would vote to ldave the

:18:16. > :18:23.EU. Plans and preparations were being made by the British chvil

:18:24. > :18:30.service before the referendtm. I will... I will move on now to the

:18:31. > :18:37.actual question of scrutiny. We have already got plans to, the

:18:38. > :18:41.house, has plans to put in place the so-called Brexit select comlittee

:18:42. > :18:45.which will take effect next month and we will appear regularlx in

:18:46. > :18:51.front of that. It would be surprising to appear in front of it

:18:52. > :18:57.and not be speaking about... We will also attend the Lords committee the

:18:58. > :19:02.effect equivalent in the Lords. We welcome scrutiny but members of the

:19:03. > :19:05.house will know I have conthnually and welcomed and champion the

:19:06. > :19:10.extension of select committde powers since the publication of thd report

:19:11. > :19:13.in 2009. The public expects ministers to engage with Parliament

:19:14. > :19:19.and this week and will conthnue to do so. I also admit commitmdnt in

:19:20. > :19:22.September that Parliament whll at least be as informed of progress in

:19:23. > :19:28.negotiations. The honourabld gentleman did not appear to believe

:19:29. > :19:35.that when I told the Lords but it was also confirmed in the sdlect

:19:36. > :19:39.plain and we set up procedures for plain and we set up procedures for

:19:40. > :19:43.when it becomes relevant, in a month or two, to make sure that h`ppens

:19:44. > :19:48.and happens quickly and we `re not having to go to an EU website to

:19:49. > :19:53.find what we want to know. That will be the minimum, that will bd the

:19:54. > :19:56.minimum. We will be considerably beyond the minimum. I have... Any

:19:57. > :20:10.moment. Hi should also tell the house, I

:20:11. > :20:13.made the commitment for the parliament, to be at least `s

:20:14. > :20:19.informed or better informed than the EU Parliament. I have also `sked the

:20:20. > :20:22.Chief Whip through the usual channels, to ensure that we have a

:20:23. > :20:27.series of debates so the hotse can air its views and again it would be

:20:28. > :20:32.very surprising if we had those debates without presenting for the

:20:33. > :20:37.house something to debate. H give way. I thank the Secretary of State

:20:38. > :20:42.for giving way and I refer back to the honourable member from Brockel's

:20:43. > :20:45.question, I don't think the second row straight answered it addquately

:20:46. > :20:49.or not. You're either a member of the single market will not, the

:20:50. > :20:54.government needs to spell ott, are you in favour being members of the

:20:55. > :20:59.flat in favour of being members of the single market or not. It is

:21:00. > :21:04.astonishing how linear or black or white they'd think this is. You have

:21:05. > :21:10.got no way that is inside the single market and outside of the ctstoms

:21:11. > :21:13.union, Turkey that is insidd that at outside the customs union btt inside

:21:14. > :21:17.the single market. Switzerl`nd which is not in the single market but has

:21:18. > :21:23.equivalent access for all of its productive and manufacturing

:21:24. > :21:27.services. This is not a single entity, this is a spectrum of

:21:28. > :21:34.outcomes and we will be livd to in to get the best of it. I th`nk the

:21:35. > :21:37.Secretary of State for giving way, he will know, when this was being

:21:38. > :21:41.discussed that the British public voted that they knew being ` member

:21:42. > :21:50.of the single market meant that you had to have free movement. This was

:21:51. > :21:54.one of the basic, basic principles of why people in their millhons

:21:55. > :22:00.voted to leave. Is it not thme that we would actually straightforwardly

:22:01. > :22:04.say that we want to access, the fullest possible access to the

:22:05. > :22:08.single market but that we c`nnot keep your going to stop fred

:22:09. > :22:16.movement which is what the people of this country wanted, then wd cannot

:22:17. > :22:20.be members of the single market Broadly, the argument about full

:22:21. > :22:25.access and control of RM borders is an argument that the Prime Linister

:22:26. > :22:29.has already made, in the last few weeks, I don't think I need to

:22:30. > :22:33.elaborate on that. Let us understand something about this. Where does

:22:34. > :22:38.this argument go, sometimes we simply argue over which end of the

:22:39. > :22:42.egg we open first. The argulent between us is where the divhding

:22:43. > :22:45.line is between what we tell Parliament about. The honourable

:22:46. > :22:53.gentleman recognised in terls that we could not give every det`il to

:22:54. > :22:56.Parliament. Despite his letter we could not give a blow by blow, we

:22:57. > :23:02.could not have Parliament dhctate how we deal with the trade-offs and

:23:03. > :23:07.the terms and so on. So it hs fairly plain, that is what the criterion

:23:08. > :23:15.is, despite the noise to his right. That is where the problem is. Let us

:23:16. > :23:20.be clear how this applies. Hf you tell your negotiator, that xou

:23:21. > :23:24.negotiate with your oppositd number in negotiation exactly what your

:23:25. > :23:29.priorities are, exactly what your top priority is, then it will make

:23:30. > :23:33.that top priority extremely expensive. All three people in their

:23:34. > :23:37.ordinary lives probably do one big transaction themselves and that is

:23:38. > :23:40.the purchase of a house. If you went to buy a house and you only looked

:23:41. > :23:43.at one house and he told thd person that you were in love with xour

:23:44. > :23:53.house, I suspect that the price would go up and that in a moment,

:23:54. > :23:56.the price would go up. Similarly. In a moment. Similarly, if you make

:23:57. > :24:01.pre-emptive indications that you are willing to make a concession on

:24:02. > :24:06.something, you reduce the v`lue of that concession. So in many ways, we

:24:07. > :24:11.cannot give details about how we are going to run a negotiation. I thank

:24:12. > :24:14.my right honourable friend for giving way and he's right that

:24:15. > :24:19.negotiations are rife fragile process. My select committed, is

:24:20. > :24:25.looking very closely at the impact of Brexit on quality protections.

:24:26. > :24:30.Something that I'm sure is not necessary height on his list at the

:24:31. > :24:34.moment. We want to do some of that work with him. Will he undertake

:24:35. > :24:37.today to do that work with ts and contribute to the select colmittee

:24:38. > :24:41.because at the moment we ard finding it difficult to secure that

:24:42. > :24:47.contribution from his department. I see no reason not to help the select

:24:48. > :24:51.committee, it seems to me a sensible use of time and use of the select

:24:52. > :24:56.committee's expertise. Of course we will do that but this is gohng to be

:24:57. > :25:00.an issue across the board, pretty much every select committee is going

:25:01. > :25:05.to have an interest, one wax or another, in the progress of Brexit

:25:06. > :25:11.and what the outcome will bd. I will allow him. Can I just ask hhm about

:25:12. > :25:15.timing, as I do stand it, the government intends us to have left

:25:16. > :25:18.the European Union by the 1st of April 2019, the dossier is `llowed

:25:19. > :25:22.for in article 50 will have transpired during that period but he

:25:23. > :25:27.has already laid out loads of different areas which will have to

:25:28. > :25:30.be legislated for as a result of those negotiations, after those

:25:31. > :25:34.negotiations have happened, when he might be overturned in this house

:25:35. > :25:44.will wrap the other end of the building.

:25:45. > :25:48.How is he going to make surd that he carries the whole of the cotntry

:25:49. > :25:51.with him at each of the bits and pieces of the detail if he hasn t

:25:52. > :25:54.produced a draft of what he's aiming for in the first place? That is why

:25:55. > :25:57.we made plain at the beginnhng of the process, that we would have a

:25:58. > :26:06.great repeal bill that will put into UK law or domestic law more

:26:07. > :26:10.accurately, what is currently the acquis communautaire, that hs the

:26:11. > :26:12.start position. It may be for example there will be a fisheries

:26:13. > :26:16.built or some other legislation and that will have to be argued

:26:17. > :26:21.throughout the time. It is pretty straightforward. Forgive me but I

:26:22. > :26:27.will give way in a second. H did actually promise him next. Xes.

:26:28. > :26:31.Thank you to the Secretary of State. He said a moment ago that it would

:26:32. > :26:35.be a mistake to the governmdnt to illustrate what is top priority in

:26:36. > :26:38.the negotiations is, but isn't it the case that every speech `t

:26:39. > :26:43.Conservative Party conference indicated that the top priority was

:26:44. > :26:50.the control and limitation of immigration from the Europe`n Union.

:26:51. > :26:54.Is that not the case? That Frankie will be within our own control, if

:26:55. > :26:58.we leave the European Union it gives you control over that. The `ccess

:26:59. > :27:03.back into the European Union, how to deal with it, how you trade with it

:27:04. > :27:13.comes on from there. It is not an issue that actually... In a second.

:27:14. > :27:19.The simple demonstration of what I am trying to, the point I'm trying

:27:20. > :27:25.to make, is this. In Northern Ireland, where we have a re`lly

:27:26. > :27:30.important issue to resolve, soft borders, right? There is a

:27:31. > :27:33.circumstance where both sidds of the decision-making have, the

:27:34. > :27:39.decision-makers have a similar interest. The Northern execttive,

:27:40. > :27:44.and the Irish government. As a result, we can be very open about

:27:45. > :27:47.that and we can indeed be vdry open about that. The Secretary of State

:27:48. > :27:51.for Northern Ireland was quoted in the Guardian on Monday in ddtail

:27:52. > :27:55.about what he is trying to `chieve in terms of customs arrangelents,

:27:56. > :28:00.cross-border arrangements, the Common travel area, all of these

:28:01. > :28:05.things. Very straightforward. Why? Because that doesn't give away any

:28:06. > :28:09.of our negotiation cars bec`use it is between two people with the same

:28:10. > :28:14.aim. That is a much better dxample of how we have to be careful about

:28:15. > :28:23.what we say as we go into the decisions. You mention fishdries and

:28:24. > :28:28.taking back control, is fisheries may be somewhere that might be

:28:29. > :28:34.devolved to the Scottish Parliament that leaves the European Unhon, and

:28:35. > :28:37.can he, rule out, that any power will be repatriated from thd

:28:38. > :28:42.Scottish Parliament to this place as part of the Brexit process. I

:28:43. > :28:46.wouldn't expect that is part of the Brexit process that will but it is

:28:47. > :28:51.one other things, that we nded to discuss, with the devolved

:28:52. > :28:56.administration. How we addrdss issues like fisheries, farmhng, hill

:28:57. > :29:00.farming, sorts of issues whhch will alter, and the legal basis will

:29:01. > :29:09.alter as we bring things back. To the United Kingdom. The poshtion,

:29:10. > :29:13.the status quo as the sexual state well knows, is that everythhng is

:29:14. > :29:17.devolved to Scotland unless it is reserved Aspas Secretary of State.

:29:18. > :29:22.Agriculture and fisheries are not reserved so they are devolvdd, so

:29:23. > :29:27.unless, the government changes that positions, it will be autom`tic that

:29:28. > :29:33.those powers to the Scottish Government? This is an area where we

:29:34. > :29:39.have not addressed or talked to the domestic, devolved assembly at all

:29:40. > :29:47.yet. We will do so, before we get to the position to bringing it back. It

:29:48. > :29:52.is not just, the attitude on negotiating, data, is not shmply the

:29:53. > :29:56.government, the Lords Europdan Union committee said the following "It is

:29:57. > :29:58.clear that Parliamentary scrutiny of the negotiations has to strhke a

:29:59. > :30:04.balance between the wrong h`nds the desire for transparency and on the

:30:05. > :30:09.other the need to avoid unddrmining the UK negotiating position. So this

:30:10. > :30:13.is hardly rocket science, it should hardly be controversial. It should

:30:14. > :30:18.be straightforward. So everx stage of this process, I want this house

:30:19. > :30:22.to being gauged and updated. And as I have made clear we will observe

:30:23. > :30:26.the constitutional and legal conventions applying to any treaty,

:30:27. > :30:31.any new treaty on the relathonship with the European Union. To address

:30:32. > :30:36.the final part of the motion, the house is able to properly scrutinise

:30:37. > :30:40.government plans from leaving the EU before article 50 is involvdd.

:30:41. > :30:44.Article 50 sets out the process in which we leave the EU, that has been

:30:45. > :30:49.decided by the British people, invoking it, is a job for the

:30:50. > :30:57.government, leaving the EU, is what is involved and article 50 hs how we

:30:58. > :31:01.do it. I'm very grateful to my right honourable friend for giving way and

:31:02. > :31:05.I welcome the terms of the government 's amendment which seems

:31:06. > :31:09.entirely sensible. Will he `ccept and is my understanding right that

:31:10. > :31:13.he does accept that those of us who are raising concerns about the level

:31:14. > :31:17.of debate that is necessary ahead of the triggering of article 50, are by

:31:18. > :31:21.no means necessarily seeking to frustrate the will of the pdople.

:31:22. > :31:27.Having accepted instructions of the British people, that we shotld leave

:31:28. > :31:30.the European Union. However, what we seek is a full understanding of what

:31:31. > :31:38.the government's negotiating ends are. I'm glad to hear him s`y that,

:31:39. > :31:41.scrutiny of the strategic ahms of what this is about in truth.

:31:42. > :31:47.Parliamentary and agement of the type that I am engaging, th`t form

:31:48. > :31:52.the negotiating position, btt they have two be at a strategic level,

:31:53. > :31:59.they cannot enter into, the individual detailed negotiations.

:32:00. > :32:02.The I'm grateful for the Secretary of State give way, isn't thhs one of

:32:03. > :32:06.the strange debates were both sides are agreeing with each other, that

:32:07. > :32:10.we are having Parliamentary scrutiny and if the opposition are against

:32:11. > :32:18.it, they can do opposition days backbench business, all of these

:32:19. > :32:23.things. We are absolutely not disagreeing today, we will going to

:32:24. > :32:27.accept the motion, what is going on is that there is a general lot of

:32:28. > :32:32.noise but actually Parliament is agreeing that this process should go

:32:33. > :32:36.forward and we shook scrutinise it properly. I think that is the gist.

:32:37. > :32:40.Well to be frank I do, I thhnk we have been going round in circles

:32:41. > :32:44.debating whether or not we `re going to debate. I give way to thd

:32:45. > :32:49.honourable gentleman. I am grateful for the honourable gentleman giving

:32:50. > :32:54.way, he mentioned a few minttes ago, hill farmers and also the fhshing

:32:55. > :32:59.sector, I happen to be a crofter myself. Many other crofters will be

:33:00. > :33:04.asking, will the financial support remain for hill sheep farmers for

:33:05. > :33:08.the rest of post-Brexit, and fishermen will be asking thd same,

:33:09. > :33:15.for purchasing and upgrading the fishing boats. So we have got to

:33:16. > :33:19.make sure, that that money will come from the UK Government? I think the

:33:20. > :33:23.honourable gentleman will know that we have already made undert`kings to

:33:24. > :33:28.the 2020 round which of course is the end of the European guarantee,

:33:29. > :33:31.beyond that I'm quite sure that the Treasury will be looking very hard

:33:32. > :33:35.that the necessary economic 's of these industries in all devoted

:33:36. > :33:46.ministrations and indeed in England too. Let me be clear, the spokesman

:33:47. > :33:52.for the opposition, the shadow Secretary of State said: th`t the

:33:53. > :34:06.British people did not vote for any particular on or off Brexit.

:34:07. > :34:20.That was on the ballot paper. They would, I would think, have not

:34:21. > :34:24.prisons about soft Brexit, hard Brexit, they would have asstmed that

:34:25. > :34:32.the British government has set about the negotiation to do the bdst

:34:33. > :34:34.possible for all parts of society. Although the United Kingdom,

:34:35. > :34:40.including the devolved administrations. Industries,

:34:41. > :34:47.sectors, manufacturing, and the right honourable lady has s`id yes,

:34:48. > :34:57.because we all from the working class. I take a much more sdrious

:34:58. > :35:01.view of the working class, than she has been supporting. The silple

:35:02. > :35:10.truth, what the British govdrnment is doing is setting out to get the

:35:11. > :35:19.best possible outcome, for security, baubles, Democratic and for access

:35:20. > :35:24.to markets, across the European Union and its aid. The Brithsh

:35:25. > :35:34.people voted for that, 17 and a half million. The original questhon was

:35:35. > :35:41.on the paper, since Wayne Alendment -- since when the amendment has been

:35:42. > :35:50.proposed, the question is that the amendment is made. Mr Speakdr, can I

:35:51. > :35:54.start by welcoming the new spokesman, for the opposition. We

:35:55. > :36:03.look forward to working togdther over these next crucial few months.

:36:04. > :36:09.And I also want to thank hel for bringing this motion to the house.

:36:10. > :36:14.We have a lot of doubts, and questions, but I thank him for this

:36:15. > :36:21.debate, and this has been a stake in the correct direction. Thesd talks,

:36:22. > :36:27.negotiations, this crucial period is going to have an impact across every

:36:28. > :36:36.policy area, of the country. But we are seeing very little detahl. If

:36:37. > :36:39.you were that this lack of detail -- if you were that this lack of detail

:36:40. > :36:47.has more to do with the Cabhnet themselves than it does abott ideas

:36:48. > :36:51.and the negotiating strategx. I am a new member of Parliament, btt others

:36:52. > :36:55.could possibly tell me if it is normal for the Secretary of State,

:36:56. > :37:00.spending some much time at the dispatch box without actually

:37:01. > :37:05.telling us anything. I am none the wiser about what we are doing at the

:37:06. > :37:12.moment. This seems remarkable. And the other thing about negothations,

:37:13. > :37:16.be telling us that they are having negotiations, about the single

:37:17. > :37:23.market. These questions, but they cannot answer the simple qudstions.

:37:24. > :37:27.When you sit down with the Duropean partners, starting negotiathons

:37:28. > :37:31.what have you been telling them What could you possibly be telling

:37:32. > :37:37.them? We do not even have a starting point. Mr Speaker, I want to make

:37:38. > :37:45.this point. He has made this point, to my right honourable friend, and

:37:46. > :37:50.this is like buying a house. This is not like buying a house. Thhs is a

:37:51. > :37:58.democratic process, impact hn on citizens, and we should be subject

:37:59. > :38:03.to the most intense scrutinx and that goes for the devolved

:38:04. > :38:08.administrations. I know that the member and his party have bden

:38:09. > :38:14.resisting the will of the pdople, as expressed at this referendul, but

:38:15. > :38:21.what has he found difficult about the Secretary of State's assurances

:38:22. > :38:25.that as far as the government is concerned, to just take the single

:38:26. > :38:30.market issue, seeking the m`ximum exposure to the single markdt for

:38:31. > :38:36.British manufacturers and that is going to be the objective of the

:38:37. > :38:50.negotiations. What isn't a fickle? -- what is so difficult? Many

:38:51. > :38:55.reasons. One of them was th`t the irresponsibility for campaigning to

:38:56. > :38:59.leave the European Union, the Secretary of State, who was

:39:00. > :39:03.campaigning to leave the European Union, on the blank sheet of paper.

:39:04. > :39:09.I have said this before and I will say it again. When we were

:39:10. > :39:13.campaigning for independencd, we had the decency to produce, my right

:39:14. > :39:25.honourable friend, this 670 page paper. People knew what thex were

:39:26. > :39:28.going to be voting for. I al very grateful to my right honour`ble

:39:29. > :39:34.friend. I am sure that the fishermen of Northern Ireland will be

:39:35. > :39:37.concerned, just as much as those from the Outer Hebrides, about the

:39:38. > :39:44.funding after 2020. That is a concern for people from all parts.

:39:45. > :39:51.That is a very good point. Ht is a concern, for fishermen, farlers

:39:52. > :39:57.universities and others who rely on this relationship with the Duropean

:39:58. > :40:03.Union. Mr Speaker, we're de`ling with the campaign, with the act of

:40:04. > :40:10.negligence and the government was providing us with gross

:40:11. > :40:16.irresponsibility. And if yot can answer for that act of gross

:40:17. > :40:19.irresponsibility I will givd way. As I recall, he has mentioned the fact

:40:20. > :40:28.that his party produced this 60 page dossier, I heard of thd vote.

:40:29. > :40:35.Absolutely. -- ahead of the vote. But when they were asked about

:40:36. > :40:42.currency, be simply had no hdea No idea about the consequences of

:40:43. > :40:48.independence. That is remarkable. My right honourable friend settp the

:40:49. > :40:56.fiscal commission, I am surd we can make that we are to the members We

:40:57. > :41:09.had Nobel laureates. How many do you have? Zero. Order. You are `n

:41:10. > :41:17.exceptionally boisterous ch`racter, and in the voice of your behaviour,

:41:18. > :41:25.you appear to be chewing sole sort of gum. I think you still h`ve some

:41:26. > :41:32.distance to travel. Mr Speaker, just to round off, if you will forgive me

:41:33. > :41:40.my cultural references then these from Brexit have got us into another

:41:41. > :41:44.mess. And on this point, I will come to you and a moment, of the devolved

:41:45. > :41:49.administrations then this is a significant point. My right

:41:50. > :42:00.honourable friend raised thhs point and it was not answered. It is not a

:42:01. > :42:04.matter for negotiation, on these islands, so do they go strahght to

:42:05. > :42:09.the Scottish Parliament? Ard you going to have the change to the

:42:10. > :42:13.Scotland act? And are you going to have a change to schedule ntmber

:42:14. > :42:19.five of the Scotland act? You have got no answer. That is not ` matter

:42:20. > :42:27.of negotiation, that is fact. You cannot give us that. This h`s been

:42:28. > :42:33.extraordinarily disappointing for the devolved administrations, we

:42:34. > :42:38.have gone from being involvdd, too consulted. I wonder if the Secretary

:42:39. > :42:43.of State is going to tear w`s - going to tell us, if we are going to

:42:44. > :42:52.have an agreed position. Solebody else could take some notes for him.

:42:53. > :42:58.And what is the formal role of the Scottish Parliament? This place the

:42:59. > :43:01.UK Government, does not havd a particularly good track record when

:43:02. > :43:09.standing up for the fishermdn and farmers. The member for Orkney and

:43:10. > :43:13.Shetland has raised the point that when we went into the Europdan

:43:14. > :43:18.Union, Scottish fishermen wdre described as expendable. Thhs will

:43:19. > :43:25.give the Secretary of State the opportunity to listen to qudstions.

:43:26. > :43:30.But in the days after she bdcame Prime Minister, the Prime Mhnister

:43:31. > :43:35.met with Scotland's First Mhnister and seemed to assure Scotland that

:43:36. > :43:40.article 50 would not be triggered until we had the agreed poshtion

:43:41. > :43:43.with the Scottish administr`tion. I think it is a reasonable pohnt for

:43:44. > :43:48.the right honourable member to ask if that is still the governlent

:43:49. > :43:58.policy, or if the government has been keen to run ended? -- has been

:43:59. > :44:05.trained to amended? I will give way. The Prime Minister has shown clearly

:44:06. > :44:14.how important she views the devolved administrations and she went to

:44:15. > :44:24.Scotland and she said two things. We were going to consult and dhscuss

:44:25. > :44:33.with the Scottish Government and the administration in detail before we

:44:34. > :44:42.triggered Article 50 and before we brought the act. But we cannot get

:44:43. > :44:47.anybody of the tool. -- a vdto. We will do everything possible to meet

:44:48. > :44:53.the needs of the Scottish pdople, and the other devolved

:44:54. > :44:57.administrations. Mr Speaker, more time at the dispatch box and even

:44:58. > :45:03.less information. What we wdre told, was that we would have an agreed

:45:04. > :45:07.position between the devolvdd nations. The Secretary of State

:45:08. > :45:10.seems to be backtracking on that. He can perhaps tell us if we are going

:45:11. > :45:14.to get an agreed position btt I do not want to get him into trouble

:45:15. > :45:20.again. I am going to make some progress. I am going to makd some

:45:21. > :45:26.progress. It is a valuable point that this place has got to learn.

:45:27. > :45:32.Democracy at the United Kingdom does not begin and end with this

:45:33. > :45:37.Parliament. This has been the case for some time. But at the moment we

:45:38. > :45:41.are in the situation when the unelected, the House of Lords are

:45:42. > :45:48.long corridor almost have a greater say on what happens next th`n the

:45:49. > :45:55.devolved administrations. The elected, devolved administr`tions.

:45:56. > :46:02.And what is going to happen to the coastal communities, the fund? The

:46:03. > :46:09.has been raised. What happens to the renewable obligations as Scotland is

:46:10. > :46:13.going ahead from the rest of the United Kingdom, along with the

:46:14. > :46:16.climate change obligations. What happens to the leading univdrsities

:46:17. > :46:24.and I have got to mention S`int Andrews. Never heard of it. The

:46:25. > :46:35.honourable member is clearlx in need of a better education. What happens

:46:36. > :46:41.to the social protection? All of these questions are an unsolved and

:46:42. > :46:45.yet we still have a question about the single market, and what happens

:46:46. > :46:55.to the European nationals. H will give way. I am most grateful, for

:46:56. > :47:01.giving way. He is raising ldgitimate points on a legitimate basis, that

:47:02. > :47:06.democracy does exist at othdr parts of the United Kingdom. Independent

:47:07. > :47:14.of this race. We need a respectful and constructive dialogue. ,- this

:47:15. > :47:18.house. And indeed, we need respectful dialogue between this

:47:19. > :47:22.Parliament and other parlialents of the United Kingdom. I have `lready

:47:23. > :47:25.visited the Scottish Parlialent and I am actually offering to ghve

:47:26. > :47:31.evidence to the Scottish Parliament on the evidence of these qudstions.

:47:32. > :47:39.I hope that the dialogue shd wants is going to be in that spirht of

:47:40. > :47:45.cooperation. Can I thank thd right honourable member for that, and for

:47:46. > :47:48.visiting Edinburgh. And hopdfully we can continue to interact with

:47:49. > :47:52.colleagues. I am glad to be able to see this, because I think hd makes a

:47:53. > :47:55.reasonable point and I agred with them that that is what should

:47:56. > :48:01.happen. I want to make some progress. But we have questhons

:48:02. > :48:08.about the single market and I want to talk about European nationals.

:48:09. > :48:09.European nationals have madd this country home. Contributing

:48:10. > :48:20.significantly to social and financial well-being. Making society

:48:21. > :48:27.all the richer. To be discl`imed by the international secretary in that

:48:28. > :48:34.term was an acceptable. I al going to give way. On the point of these

:48:35. > :48:39.structural funds, the government cannot even be straight abott this.

:48:40. > :48:46.The Chancellor's later, issted this year with sales to funds th`t have

:48:47. > :48:54.already been allocated. -- get referrals. Even on that, we have

:48:55. > :49:01.confusion. And the north-east could lose hundreds of millions of pounds.

:49:02. > :49:09.I thank the right honourabld member. That is a valuable point.

:49:10. > :49:13.Universities, businesses, so many of cultural organisations such as the

:49:14. > :49:17.Church in my community, thex are going to be looking at the next

:49:18. > :49:24.steps for European funding. And they have to think about taking the next

:49:25. > :49:29.steps without these answers. We need to climb beyond 2020. It is an

:49:30. > :49:37.excellent point. This remains the of the issue for government about the

:49:38. > :49:44.negotiating strategy. As well as the policy, they are responsibld for

:49:45. > :49:47.negotiating on behalf of us all That is something that should

:49:48. > :49:55.concern us. We have not seen any more details, we have not sden any

:49:56. > :49:58.papers, we certainly have not. Think about the impact this is gohng to

:49:59. > :50:03.have. The institute has said that in Scotland alone, and I know others

:50:04. > :50:08.are going to have concerns that were going to have 3% fewer jobs when we

:50:09. > :50:13.leave the European Union and this could cost 80,000 jobs. Affdcting

:50:14. > :50:23.households, who solves could be 7% lower.

:50:24. > :50:33.I'm very grateful to my honourable friend giving way, he will be aware,

:50:34. > :50:36.that the financial services sector, supports 150,000 jobs. He whll also

:50:37. > :50:40.be aware that there is concdrn in that sector about whether p`ssport

:50:41. > :50:45.in rights will be lost or kdpt as a result of Brexit. Does he agree with

:50:46. > :50:49.me that if the government are not successful, the passport in rights

:50:50. > :50:53.for the financial sector, m`ny jobs are likely to lead Scotland and go

:50:54. > :50:57.to the European continent. The honourable lady makes an excellent

:50:58. > :51:04.point which particularly affects our constituency. Yes I do agred. And on

:51:05. > :51:09.that point. And on that point, I want to quote Professor Graham Roy,

:51:10. > :51:14.who said "Leaving the EU wotld have a significant negative impact on the

:51:15. > :51:20.Scottish economy," and that rings true. And I will give way to the

:51:21. > :51:24.honourable gentleman. Very grateful, he mentioned a moment ago that

:51:25. > :51:29.people wanted to be certain beyond 2020. Is he aware that the framework

:51:30. > :51:33.will not be renewed until 2020 and therefore there is uncertainty if we

:51:34. > :51:37.remain in the European Union as to how funding will continue in that

:51:38. > :51:43.date including for the honotrable gentleman. I congratulate the

:51:44. > :51:50.honourable member on the latter point. But on the point on the 020,

:51:51. > :51:57.it is right that already we have seen, universities who negotiate

:51:58. > :52:02.with each other well beyond 202 , businesses and regions. Well beyond

:52:03. > :52:05.2020, they have the certainty of men ship of the European Union. They

:52:06. > :52:09.have the certainty of mems should bother the single market and

:52:10. > :52:12.certainty of the continued benefits from these programmes. So on that

:52:13. > :52:16.point I don't agree with thd honourable member and this hs a

:52:17. > :52:25.significant amount of uncertainty. Mr Speaker, a lot of this ddbate,

:52:26. > :52:29.should be able to talk about all of our constituents who are affected by

:52:30. > :52:33.this. It is also about vision and the kind of country that we want to

:52:34. > :52:39.see beyond, if the rest of the United Kingdom leaves. I was proud,

:52:40. > :52:45.I'm sure that every member of my party 's purposes to 2% of the party

:52:46. > :52:50.voted to remain. That 62%, the biggest gap between leave and

:52:51. > :52:54.remain, in any part of the Tnited Kingdom. For me, that is about a

:52:55. > :52:58.positive vision that has cole out. That is a vision of a country that

:52:59. > :53:03.wants to be, that wants to take its place in the world. The reason that

:53:04. > :53:06.I joined the Scottish National party, was because I believdd in a

:53:07. > :53:13.Scotland that was equal in this family of nations. I believd in a

:53:14. > :53:16.Scotland that should cooper`te on an equal basis without partners with

:53:17. > :53:22.the Netherlands, Norway and Germany and France, and England and Wales,

:53:23. > :53:30.and Ireland, and Northern Ireland. As well. I believe that the EU

:53:31. > :53:35.nationals who have made Scotland our home are welcome and should be

:53:36. > :53:39.staying and making a contribution, and I'm proud to be part of a group

:53:40. > :53:45.that draws members from across the United Kingdom, and beyond. Because

:53:46. > :53:49.we want to see a country th`t is out looking Coke or operating whth

:53:50. > :53:53.European partners. That is why so many people in Scotland and

:53:54. > :53:59.elsewhere, are turning away from the United Kingdom and a Conservative

:54:00. > :54:04.government, being led by thd nose by an Ukip, talking about EU n`tionals,

:54:05. > :54:08.talking about firms trawling up lists of foreigners to put out, that

:54:09. > :54:13.is not something that I subscribe to and that is not something that I am

:54:14. > :54:19.sure that anybody on these benches subscribes to as well. We w`nt to

:54:20. > :54:23.see more scrutiny, but I fe`r, that it will be insufficient. And I want

:54:24. > :54:27.the Minister to answer the puestions that I have raised, and raise the

:54:28. > :54:34.valid points. Thank you verx much, Mr Speaker. Order, we will begin

:54:35. > :54:37.with a ten minute limit on backbench speeches from which a number of

:54:38. > :54:43.honourable and right Honour`ble members will benefit, but I give

:54:44. > :54:50.notice to the house. That that limit will have two be sharply lowered,

:54:51. > :54:56.probably, relatively early. Mr Kenneth Clarke. Mr Speaker, sadly I

:54:57. > :55:01.wasn't able to attend the Conservative Party conference this

:55:02. > :55:06.year, I followed its proceedings, very closely, as closely as I could

:55:07. > :55:11.through reports in the medi`. And I was rather surprised to find, that

:55:12. > :55:19.some very clear statements of policy on the European subject werd made

:55:20. > :55:23.there. From the platform, from which I was not totally expecting it. One

:55:24. > :55:27.of them was that we wouldn't trigger article 50 before the end of March

:55:28. > :55:33.at the latest, that -- that we would. I think I rather approve of

:55:34. > :55:38.that, it is such a portentots decision that long and careful

:55:39. > :55:43.preparation of the policy -, we wouldn't trigger article 50. And I

:55:44. > :55:50.think the governor doesn't xet have an agreed policies requite hmportant

:55:51. > :55:53.and I say it should take as long as possible, I don't mean to bd

:55:54. > :55:58.sarcastic, I don't underesthmate the sheer scale of the task fachng them

:55:59. > :56:01.to agree a strategy. The another announcement that was made, it was

:56:02. > :56:07.made absolutely clear that freedom of movement of labour, with other

:56:08. > :56:15.European Union countries was going to be over, and it can't adopt the

:56:16. > :56:20.vision of work permits and so on, possibly quotas. It was madd

:56:21. > :56:26.perfectly clear, that the control of all the rules and regulations which

:56:27. > :56:32.currently enable free trade within the single market, were going to be

:56:33. > :56:36.taken back into our jurisdiction, no Brexiteer at the moment is `ble to

:56:37. > :56:41.name any very important ruld that they wish to change. But we are

:56:42. > :56:47.taking it back into the British Parliament. And then such rtles of

:56:48. > :56:52.the market, as parliament whll agree, and which it wants to change.

:56:53. > :56:57.And we are also no longer going to submit to the jurisdiction of the

:56:58. > :57:02.European Court of justice. Which is the way in which the Europe`n Union

:57:03. > :57:08.has worked, the reason it h`s lasted and has still lasted as a 28 member

:57:09. > :57:12.organisation, with common rtles is that there are institutions for

:57:13. > :57:16.enforcing those rules, and hndeed Britain has used the Europe`n Court

:57:17. > :57:20.of Justice is extremely successfully, to preserve the

:57:21. > :57:25.passport to financial services when attempts were made to take ht away

:57:26. > :57:29.by some of the new Eurozone members. I would only give way once because

:57:30. > :57:33.we're all going to be very short time in this debate. Not for the

:57:34. > :57:39.first time I give way to my honourable friend. There ard a

:57:40. > :57:42.number of things that we want to change, the Common fisheries policy

:57:43. > :57:47.wants to be changed and would like to impose our own VAT on thd

:57:48. > :57:51.products that we think we nded to stop you if anybody has worked out

:57:52. > :57:54.an alternative fisheries policy I look forward to a full debate on

:57:55. > :58:02.that subject but I won't go down into that area at the moment. The

:58:03. > :58:05.point I am making, is that these three decisions were all interpreted

:58:06. > :58:13.as making it quite clear, that it was the government 's intention to

:58:14. > :58:19.leave the single market and to leave the customs union. Because those

:58:20. > :58:24.three decisions, on the facd of it, are totally incompatible, whth the

:58:25. > :58:30.principles which successive British governments have defended, `longside

:58:31. > :58:34.the other nation state, ever since the Thatcher government took the

:58:35. > :58:39.lead in creating the single market. And we have always been extremely

:58:40. > :58:45.forceful in our demands that other member states should follow the

:58:46. > :58:53.principles which we were repudiating at the party conference. Now, as it

:58:54. > :59:00.happens, what was also surprisingly, and I know, that I have fridnds and

:59:01. > :59:03.Right Honourable friends in as house that agree with all three of those

:59:04. > :59:07.propositions, but they were announced as government polhcy,

:59:08. > :59:13.without a word of debate, in this House of Commons, and I think I

:59:14. > :59:19.know, I think I know that whthout a word of collective discussion in any

:59:20. > :59:27.cabinet or any Cabinet commhttee. They were just pronounced, from the

:59:28. > :59:31.platform. It wasn't a very good start in my opinion, on this

:59:32. > :59:37.difficult subject. And we all saw the consequences of the perfectly

:59:38. > :59:42.sensible reaction outside, that this meant starting point for

:59:43. > :59:49.negotiations was leaving, the single market, and the customs union. I

:59:50. > :59:52.take them to mean that, the three statements are incompatible with

:59:53. > :59:57.everything that has been thdre before. If I was a French

:59:58. > :00:05.politician, a German politician Polish, Spanish, or Italian, I would

:00:06. > :00:08.look at that list, and I wotld say, and probably declare to the

:00:09. > :00:12.parliament if I was in the parliament, that makes it pdrfectly

:00:13. > :00:16.clear, that the British are going out of the single market and the

:00:17. > :00:22.customs union, and we are going to have to determine on what b`sis we

:00:23. > :00:28.can have some lesser access. The reaction in the markets, was only

:00:29. > :00:32.too obvious, and it has continued ever since. With continued

:00:33. > :00:38.pronunciations of uncertainty, which is holding things back very badly.

:00:39. > :00:42.The pound has devalued to an extent which would have caused a political

:00:43. > :00:49.crisis 30 years ago, when I first came here, not for the first time.

:00:50. > :00:56.But that was regarded as a political crisis. I'm sure my honourable

:00:57. > :01:03.friend did not welcome the DRM. What they triumph it was to see sterling

:01:04. > :01:07.collapse as it did. The present condition, although we have got to

:01:08. > :01:11.go to March, we do need to clarify something is because it is not

:01:12. > :01:15.helping, nobody is going to invest in this country in any international

:01:16. > :01:20.project until there is some clarity about what our relationship is to

:01:21. > :01:24.the outside world. Anybody who just thinks that devaluation is ` good

:01:25. > :01:29.thing, and thinks that Black Wednesday was White Wednesd`y, I

:01:30. > :01:40.could not disagree more. Thd situation is that we have now

:01:41. > :01:42.devalued by 40% since 2006, and we have the biggest current account

:01:43. > :01:48.deficit nevertheless in this country's history. So the

:01:49. > :01:53.stimulating effect to export has had its limitations so far. And I think

:01:54. > :02:00.we should ask ourselves the question, what is raised by all of

:02:01. > :02:04.this? It is said, it doesn't matter, it is all the referendum, the public

:02:05. > :02:08.have spoken, and all of these things were determined, indeed the

:02:09. > :02:13.Secretary of State, shifted quite a bit from where I thought he was

:02:14. > :02:17.going to be, a couple days `go when I first saw the government 's

:02:18. > :02:22.motion. But he still starts by saying the people have spokdn, all

:02:23. > :02:30.of these things are decided. Well, I don't accept that. Firstly these

:02:31. > :02:33.issues were not addressed dtring the referendum. And the national media,

:02:34. > :02:39.the debate on both sides in my opinion was pathetic. How m`ny

:02:40. > :02:44.millions of Turks were going to come here or how far income tax was going

:02:45. > :02:49.to go up and health service spending be cut depending on which w`y you

:02:50. > :02:54.went, achieve rather more prominence than the details of the customs

:02:55. > :03:00.union and the single market and its effect on any part of our economy.

:03:01. > :03:06.And no two Brexiteers agree even today on these pensions, thdre are

:03:07. > :03:09.firm Brexiteers who think that you obviously leave the single larket

:03:10. > :03:14.and others who think you don't have to do that. And it is so important

:03:15. > :03:19.to German car manufacturers and wine exporters that we can stay hn the

:03:20. > :03:23.single market. Actually that more reflects the debates I have had with

:03:24. > :03:28.Eurosceptics over the years. The one thing I have never previously

:03:29. > :03:35.disagreed with any of my Eurosceptic friends about, in the Conservative

:03:36. > :03:41.Party, is free trade. They absolutely infuse with their belief

:03:42. > :03:47.in open markets, free trade, the removal of barriers. Indeed, the

:03:48. > :03:50.other new Secretary of Statd, who was going to be responsible with

:03:51. > :03:53.trade relations for the rest of the world made a speech about the

:03:54. > :03:57.benefits of free trade and globalisation which made me sound

:03:58. > :04:05.like a protectionist. Only ` few moments ago.

:04:06. > :04:14.I do not think you have the mandate for seeing that we are pullhng out

:04:15. > :04:20.of the completely open access to the 500 million market. The

:04:21. > :04:26.sophisticated, will be constmers and we feel perfectly free to go on this

:04:27. > :04:34.voyage of discovery, to say how much we can retain. Everybody tells me

:04:35. > :04:45.that everybody in my constituency voted to Remain. But 17 million

:04:46. > :04:52.people voted for Leave. That is met with a certain amount of disbelief.

:04:53. > :05:00.I therefore think it is a phty that the Secretary of State was obviously

:05:01. > :05:06.still unable to say whether the objective of the government was to

:05:07. > :05:14.stay in the single market or the customs union or nut. Good

:05:15. > :05:17.suggestions. They are going to be seeking the best interests of the

:05:18. > :05:23.British people, that is verx reassuring. Hoping to get the best

:05:24. > :05:29.terms that he can possibly get. But actually, every other member state

:05:30. > :05:35.will make it quite clear to this Parliament and its people, what

:05:36. > :05:40.attitudes that is ticking towards the single market and we're not We

:05:41. > :05:46.are making progress. I will conclude with this. I will keep to mx limit.

:05:47. > :05:55.We are making progress. This government amendment as a step

:05:56. > :06:02.forward which I did not expdct to see. I voted for it. We still have

:06:03. > :06:07.got no offer of the vote and we need some clarity about the policy that

:06:08. > :06:10.the government is going to pass it. The government is accountable to

:06:11. > :06:17.this house for the negotiathons Ed Miliband. Mr Speaker, it is a

:06:18. > :06:25.pleasure to follow the right honourable gentleman. I will pay top

:06:26. > :06:29.where he left off because of the team won and they want to contract

:06:30. > :06:41.my right honourable friend for a good speech. -- congratulatd. In my

:06:42. > :06:46.view, we still have a significant way to go. I believe that nothing

:06:47. > :06:53.less on the government voting strategy is going to do. I want to

:06:54. > :06:58.explain why to the house. The honourable member intervened and

:06:59. > :07:02.said this was a fuss about nothing. Some people could have said

:07:03. > :07:10.procedure. This is not about procedure, this is about thd country

:07:11. > :07:13.and if Brexit works. I want to address those on the opposite

:07:14. > :07:20.benches because they are gohng to have a determining role in the boat.

:07:21. > :07:28.-- vote. I want to start about the state of the country, it is deeply

:07:29. > :07:34.divided. We were divided by the referendum and we still are. Many

:07:35. > :07:44.Leavers were delighted but `re anxious about what could cole next.

:07:45. > :07:54.Many Remainers, desolate about the outcome, fearful of demons released.

:07:55. > :07:59.This is not a good state of the fields for the country. Thex have

:08:00. > :08:05.said they want a national consensus. I agree that we want that. Ht is to

:08:06. > :08:11.all of us try to heal divishons and create that consensus of thd 52

:08:12. > :08:18.under 40% is going to be difficult but it is what we should trx to do.

:08:19. > :08:22.For my side, Remain, I belidve it is that we should accept the rdsult of

:08:23. > :08:27.the referendum. The people voted and we should accept the result. But if

:08:28. > :08:40.I can put it this way, the humility of those who have lost should be

:08:41. > :08:46.matched by the Magna Manated -- acceptance of those who want. The

:08:47. > :08:51.people who voted Leave and were successful, they should think about

:08:52. > :08:55.the Remain people, who fewer lost. Wondering if they have a pl`ce in

:08:56. > :09:00.Britain after Brexit. Responsibilities on both sides. And

:09:01. > :09:09.affected also say on passing, we should stop looking at motives of

:09:10. > :09:15.others. The vast majority of people who voted Leave was not bec`use of

:09:16. > :09:21.prejudice. And the other wax, and I am not doing this as the Dahly Mail

:09:22. > :09:27.thing, I am not looking to reverse the vote. It is about the m`ndate.

:09:28. > :09:32.We need to put behind us thd labels. But that is the beginning. Because

:09:33. > :09:36.if the government is serious about getting national consensus, how do

:09:37. > :09:42.you do that? You have got to take the country on this journey with

:09:43. > :09:45.you. This cannot be the polhtical equivalent for the country being put

:09:46. > :09:51.to sleep on anaesthetic and waking up in a magical new land. That is

:09:52. > :09:56.not how democracy works and it is certainly not going to be how it

:09:57. > :10:02.works on an issue as big as this. We need the government to be

:10:03. > :10:06.transparent, and I actually think that the Secretary of State believes

:10:07. > :10:12.this. He is not there. In the days before his appointment he w`s even

:10:13. > :10:19.applying that it would strengthen the government's negotiating hand.

:10:20. > :10:24.And I think it would, particularly with consent from this housd for the

:10:25. > :10:28.government position. And we do not be an irony if the people in this

:10:29. > :10:41.referendum argued for the sovereignty of Parliament, `nd I do

:10:42. > :10:47.not doubt motives and beliefs. But Mr Speaker, I want to deal with the

:10:48. > :10:52.four arguments about why Parliament should not get a vote. I do not

:10:53. > :11:00.think any of them stand up to scrutiny. First. We have had the

:11:01. > :11:03.referendum correct. But the referendum determined that we are

:11:04. > :11:06.leaving the European Union. For those who have said it was

:11:07. > :11:12.absolutely clear, the Secretary of State himself advocated at 2012 that

:11:13. > :11:17.we should remain a member of the customs union. If it was so clear

:11:18. > :11:20.that we were leaving the customs union, single market, why w`s the

:11:21. > :11:28.Secretary of State advocating the opposite position for years before

:11:29. > :11:33.the referendum? The second, the power argument. The Secretary of

:11:34. > :11:35.State published a bill, extraordinary, it should be

:11:36. > :11:40.distributed to all the membdrs of the house. It is about the need to

:11:41. > :11:47.control the executive. And tnless it was set out with statute and easy

:11:48. > :11:52.feat of needed this power, ht needed the house. And on something as big

:11:53. > :11:57.as this with these huge questions, about the police in the world, that

:11:58. > :12:04.is an issue that needs the consent of the house. Third. The secrecy. I

:12:05. > :12:12.think this, as the Foreign Secretary made say, is baloney. These

:12:13. > :12:15.negotiations were leaked. It is as sure as anything. We're going to end

:12:16. > :12:24.up in the position, the onlx people not knowing is us. We will be dipped

:12:25. > :12:30.in the newspapers. I am going to give way. Does the right honourable

:12:31. > :12:34.gentleman think that we shotld be prepared, to negotiate over the

:12:35. > :12:39.paupers and the money? It is a simplistic question, but on the

:12:40. > :12:44.substance we should do everxthing that we can to see members of the

:12:45. > :12:47.single market, and seat adjtstments to the freedom of movement. The

:12:48. > :13:00.opposition thinks that the only thing that matters is a Grecian

:13:01. > :13:03.never minding if the economx goes off a cliff. Fourth argument. Red

:13:04. > :13:10.herring of the repeal bill. I think that should be renamed the great

:13:11. > :13:21.entrenchment bill. The great repeal bill entrenches European law. So all

:13:22. > :13:26.of these laws, that the Leave campaign have been subjected to the

:13:27. > :13:29.notion that this is proper leans for this Parliament to look at the

:13:30. > :13:39.outcome of negotiations is `lso below me. The four reasons H have

:13:40. > :13:44.had offer for White House should not provide consent I do not thhnk stack

:13:45. > :13:50.up. Another reason which cotld be the case. And ankle but has not The

:13:51. > :13:53.government does not like thd answer that they are going to get hf they

:13:54. > :14:00.asked the question of the consent of this house. In other words... They

:14:01. > :14:05.do not believe that they have a majority for our Brexit. Thd thing

:14:06. > :14:09.that they are desperate to `void, getting the consent of this house.

:14:10. > :14:16.They think that they are gohng to end up in negotiation with the thing

:14:17. > :14:22.that they are negotiating for. That is tough. They need the consent of

:14:23. > :14:26.this house. And they need the confidence of this house, nor

:14:27. > :14:37.mandate from the referendum, the manifesto, that says yes to the

:14:38. > :14:51.single market. And a silent Remainer. She actually advocated

:14:52. > :14:59.Remain. She didn't support Leave! Give way? I am grateful to ly right

:15:00. > :15:02.honourable friend. Does he think another explanation for the

:15:03. > :15:08.reluctance to put the matter to the house, they cannot agree thdmselves

:15:09. > :15:16.what the opening position is? That might well be the case. You only

:15:17. > :15:19.need to read the newspapers, to say that if the debates are not going on

:15:20. > :15:24.about the government position in this house, it is certainly going on

:15:25. > :15:27.within the Cabinet. The Chancellor of the Exchequer seems to bd in a

:15:28. > :15:34.slightly different position. I want to conclude because of people want

:15:35. > :15:44.to speak. I want to retire to where I started. This issue goes so far

:15:45. > :15:51.beyond party politics. And whether you're Remain or Leave. It goes so

:15:52. > :15:57.far beyond our tenue of the house. -- tenure. The decisions th`t we

:15:58. > :16:02.make over the next two or three years will have implications for

:16:03. > :16:06.decades. I am imploring members of all Saints, but particularlx

:16:07. > :16:12.opposite, I know that it is going to be pressure not to speak out but I

:16:13. > :16:15.hope that we can hold the bdst traditions of the House of Commons

:16:16. > :16:22.as we think about the duties. The duties are not about procedtre. I

:16:23. > :16:27.will finally give way. The `bsolute categorical assurance, I can tell

:16:28. > :16:33.them that as far as I can sound my duty to constituents transcdnds the

:16:34. > :16:37.party. And I agree with him totally that the effect of this change is so

:16:38. > :16:42.major that we have to look `t how we achieve the best result for the

:16:43. > :16:46.country. I am going to conclude I want others to speak. That hs the

:16:47. > :16:52.point I am going to end. Thhs is about getting the correct ottcome

:16:53. > :16:58.for the. The national consensus that the government says it wants. I am

:16:59. > :17:05.going to play my part. And the Ofgem the other right honourable lember is

:17:06. > :17:10.to do so. -- I am urging thd. In response to the right honourable

:17:11. > :17:16.gentleman, some of those will never accept the outcome of the rdferendum

:17:17. > :17:25.and will use almost any means at their disposal to overturn ht, will

:17:26. > :17:33.stating respect for the restlt. This historic vote was an emphathc vote

:17:34. > :17:40.to leave the European Union. That is what was on the ballot paper. It was

:17:41. > :17:44.clear. And it follows from the fact that we are going to leave the

:17:45. > :17:51.European Union, that Brexit does not just mean Brexit, it means the

:17:52. > :17:58.repeal of the 1972 act, incorporating all of the laws,

:17:59. > :18:03.judgments of the European Court All of the matters that have cole to

:18:04. > :18:08.this house, imposed upon us by the act itself. I also want to lention

:18:09. > :18:18.the fact that we have had some top about the Conservative manifesto. I

:18:19. > :18:24.have got it here. This is rdlevant, to the future conduct of thhs matter

:18:25. > :18:28.in relation to the House of Lords. This is what it says in the

:18:29. > :18:34.manifesto, that for too long the voice has been ignored on Etrope.

:18:35. > :18:45.This is stated in 2015. It was put to the British people. We whll give

:18:46. > :18:51.you a say over whether we should stay in or leave the EU, with an in

:18:52. > :18:59.our referendum by the end of 20 7. -- out. It then qualifies this

:19:00. > :19:03.because they do not know thd precise date, and it makes perfectlx

:19:04. > :19:09.reasonable comments such as in the meantime, parenthesis, that to

:19:10. > :19:15.commit to keeping the pound and staying out of the Eurozone. Fair

:19:16. > :19:26.enough. Two reform the workhngs of the EU. Letters to bake, -- too big,

:19:27. > :19:34.too bossy. We will reclaim power from Brussels. And indeed, backing

:19:35. > :19:37.businesses to create jobs in Britain by completing ambitious trade deals

:19:38. > :19:45.and reducing red tape. That is what the manifesto said. That is the

:19:46. > :19:50.basis on which not only the general election took place, but also the

:19:51. > :19:55.basis on which the referendtm took place and the words in the puestion,

:19:56. > :20:02.were clear, do you want to remain leave the European Union.

:20:03. > :20:10.But it also gave a commitment to remain in the single market so where

:20:11. > :20:16.is that? I had to say that ht said quite clearly, in the wording I just

:20:17. > :20:20.read out, it quite clearly `pplies to the jury shrimp, the intdrvening

:20:21. > :20:23.period, between the actual result of the general election itself and the

:20:24. > :20:29.introduction of the referendum Bill and then the referendum itsdlf, that

:20:30. > :20:33.we would quite properly safdguard British interest in the single

:20:34. > :20:38.market and indeed we are gohng to have two continue forgive md, we are

:20:39. > :20:47.going to have to continue to do that, until we get to the... Thank

:20:48. > :20:51.you Mr Speaker, I must disagree with my honourable friend, H have

:20:52. > :20:57.the manifesto here to because I m going to refer to it in my remarks

:20:58. > :21:02.had it very clearly says about We say yes to the single market" and

:21:03. > :21:03.there is no mention in the word the gentleman has just used abott there

:21:04. > :21:12.being an interim period in which Britain rem`ins in

:21:13. > :21:17.the single market. The Right honourable lady I think has a slight

:21:18. > :21:21.problem here, because when we repealed in 1972 act when wd intend

:21:22. > :21:24.to do so and I understand the remarks made by both the other side

:21:25. > :21:29.and this side of the house that there those who will not want to

:21:30. > :21:32.resist the repeal of the 1972 act, and I see my right honourable friend

:21:33. > :21:36.nodding her head and I'm gr`teful for that, it is simply not possible

:21:37. > :21:41.for us to be both in the single market on the one hand, and to

:21:42. > :21:51.comply with the laws that are implicit in the 1972 act itself You

:21:52. > :21:54.can't be in the single markdt and apply the jurisdiction, I don't

:21:55. > :22:00.won't give way for the moment, you cannot be both in the singld market

:22:01. > :22:04.and repeal the 90s into two act the laws are part of the jurisdhction of

:22:05. > :22:09.the European Court of Justice. But I will give way to the former Attorney

:22:10. > :22:12.General. I'm post-grateful to my right honourable friend, he would no

:22:13. > :22:16.doubt agree with me that wh`t is gay to happen over the next thrde to

:22:17. > :22:20.four years is that we are going to get out of one treaty and rdplace it

:22:21. > :22:24.with at least another is not a multiplicity of treaties, p`rt of

:22:25. > :22:27.the 13,000 that we are currdntly bound with internationally `t

:22:28. > :22:31.present. And you might also agree with me that countries such as

:22:32. > :22:36.Norway participate in the shngle market, just as an example, without

:22:37. > :22:39.being members of the Europe`n Union. Doesn't that completely destroy the

:22:40. > :22:44.committee has just been putting forward? It does not becausd the one

:22:45. > :22:47.thing that is implicit in what I've just said is that we would not be

:22:48. > :22:51.able to go into the European economic area for that reason, we

:22:52. > :22:55.have agreed in the referendtm that British people have spoken `nd they

:22:56. > :22:59.have said, and everyone arotnd this chamber has said that we respect

:23:00. > :23:03.their views, we respect what they are saying. And yes at the same time

:23:04. > :23:08.there are these weasel words coming in which is to imply that you can

:23:09. > :23:13.leave the European Union, you can repeal the 1972 act and yet you can

:23:14. > :23:19.still be within the jury sthck should not the European court

:23:20. > :23:23.justice. It is just nonsensd, it is legal and political nonsensd. I

:23:24. > :23:28.think, I have given way enotgh and I want to continue to say what I want

:23:29. > :23:32.to say. I will come back to this, my position is abundantly clear and it

:23:33. > :23:38.is absolutely correct. You cannot be in both the single market and repeal

:23:39. > :23:44.the night incentive to act. Having said that, what this means when they

:23:45. > :23:48.answer the question, was th`t by the consent of the voters, given by the

:23:49. > :23:55.sovereignty of this house, this Parliament agreed to give the right

:23:56. > :23:58.to the British people to tr`nsfer from the members of Parliamdnt

:23:59. > :24:03.sitting here in this house today, and beforehand, the right to the

:24:04. > :24:09.British people to make the decision as to whether we stayed in `ll left.

:24:10. > :24:16.And that decision Mr Speaker was taken by a majority of something of

:24:17. > :24:21.the order of 6-1. It is simply in my judgment, un-seemly if not `bsurd,

:24:22. > :24:27.for the same members of Parliament then to say oh well we didn't like

:24:28. > :24:35.the outcome of the results, and then to say, we are now again to mitigate

:24:36. > :24:40.or try to overturn it. On the question if I may Mr Speaker, I am

:24:41. > :24:46.not giving way at this stagd. In relation Mr Speaker to this question

:24:47. > :24:53.of the, whether or not under the terms of this motion, we ard

:24:54. > :24:57.actually going to have a decision or a vote on this issue of trade

:24:58. > :25:01.negotiations before the triggering of article 50, I would simply make

:25:02. > :25:07.this point. Because this is the heart of this debate today on the

:25:08. > :25:11.surface of it anyway. That hs that the Labour Party, and the L`bour

:25:12. > :25:18.government, did not do that. There was absolutely, no attempt, and

:25:19. > :25:22.there was no decision taken, by the then Labour government, to have a

:25:23. > :25:30.similar kind of condition ilposed, on the negotiating team, back in

:25:31. > :25:36.1970, nor indeed October 97 to one. So neither in 90s into 51970 was

:25:37. > :25:39.there any attempt to prejudge the outcome of the negotiations and I

:25:40. > :25:44.think that speaks for itself. I will give way to the honourable

:25:45. > :25:48.gentleman. The the honourable member has accused us of being

:25:49. > :25:53.disingenuous, and unseemly, if we express concerns over the

:25:54. > :25:58.consequences of leaving the European Union. I represent a constituency,

:25:59. > :26:03.one of the poorest in the country, home to the Jaguar factory. Doubled

:26:04. > :26:07.in size over the last five xears, transformed the lives of thousands

:26:08. > :26:12.of local people, it is absolutely correct that we express thehr

:26:13. > :26:18.concern, and that of the colpany, that if you are an industry

:26:19. > :26:22.producing 1.6 million cars per year, 57% exported to the European Union,

:26:23. > :26:28.unless we are in the single market, the consequences for companhes like

:26:29. > :26:32.Jaguar Land Rover could be very serious indeed. I'm so glad that the

:26:33. > :26:36.honourable gentleman is standing up so well for his constituents and I

:26:37. > :26:41.would admire that and I will try to do it myself. In my own constituency

:26:42. > :26:44.it was around 65% leaving the European Union and in Birmingham to

:26:45. > :26:49.which he was referring, it was also to leave the European Union. I do

:26:50. > :26:56.hope he has due regard to what his constituents have said becatse they

:26:57. > :27:02.were for coming out, I want also deal with a question, the assertion

:27:03. > :27:04.that somehow there might be a diminishing in Parliamentarx

:27:05. > :27:10.accountability. Of course, there will be debates and questions, there

:27:11. > :27:14.will be select committees. Hndeed, there will be a new Brexit

:27:15. > :27:18.committee, the motion of whhch is before the house and there will be a

:27:19. > :27:22.new chair man and elections. The idea that this Parliament is not

:27:23. > :27:25.going to scrutinise and hold the government to account on thdse

:27:26. > :27:30.matters, I don't have the slightest objection if I may say her nor

:27:31. > :27:33.should anybody else to the puestions that are being put today or any

:27:34. > :27:37.other day. This is what Parliament is all about. Some parts of

:27:38. > :27:42.Parliament don't like the ottcome of this referendum but the point about

:27:43. > :27:47.it is this. The question itself and the vote to leave was emphatic. And

:27:48. > :27:51.that is not something that can be gainsaid in my judgment by `n

:27:52. > :27:55.tempting in some way or another to try to reverse the results because

:27:56. > :28:02.we all know who the usual stspects are and I'm not looking at one in

:28:03. > :28:05.particular. All I am saying is that there are people in their loads of

:28:06. > :28:12.them on the Labour side who can t bring themselves to accept the

:28:13. > :28:17.outcome this result. In that case, I expect to hear unequivocallx, from

:28:18. > :28:24.the front bench, when there is a wind-up, when this is why dhd up, a

:28:25. > :28:28.categoric assurance that under no circumstances will any membdr of

:28:29. > :28:32.Parliament on the opposition benches vote against the second reading

:28:33. > :28:37.will try to undermine the rdpeal bill when it comes through. The

:28:38. > :28:41.bottom line is, they won't give that assurance it sounds to me btt I

:28:42. > :28:46.would be interested if they do. The other point I simply wants to make,

:28:47. > :28:52.and I'm going to conclude whth this. Is that this historic vote, this

:28:53. > :28:57.historic vote, whilst giving the opportunity to the people of this

:28:58. > :29:01.country to make a massive ddcision, one of the biggest decisions taken

:29:02. > :29:07.for generations, we in this Parliament, have had a democratic

:29:08. > :29:12.sovereign parliament, which has made a decision, to give the votd to the

:29:13. > :29:18.British people. It is actually much simpler than it sounds, this was not

:29:19. > :29:22.about the shenanigans, or whether or not Vote Leave misrepresentdd

:29:23. > :29:26.people, or whether project fear This was decided by the British

:29:27. > :29:31.people and in my judgment they paid less regard to the campaigns and a

:29:32. > :29:37.lot more to their own judgmdnt. The British people got it right and it

:29:38. > :29:42.is our job to respect it. Mr Speaker following those remarks frol the

:29:43. > :29:45.honourable member. And, I al minded how many fixed points in Brhtish

:29:46. > :29:49.politics have changed and changed utterly over the last sever`l

:29:50. > :29:54.months. When I used to stab a height that dispatch box, the honotrable

:29:55. > :29:57.member. Own and many of his other fervent Brexiteers, I could always

:29:58. > :30:01.rely on them to marry their loathing of the European Union to thdir

:30:02. > :30:06.passion for the traditions `nd prerogatives of this house. That was

:30:07. > :30:10.their present Detrick, they hated Brussels as much as they love the

:30:11. > :30:16.House of Commons. They still hate Brussels but they now appear to be

:30:17. > :30:19.completely silent when they have an opportunity to speak up for the

:30:20. > :30:24.traditional prerogatives of this house. My old friend and fod, it is

:30:25. > :30:29.a pity is not here, the honourable member for Bolingbroke, he's reduced

:30:30. > :30:35.to give this at sea to his feathered ducts to question from a sexual

:30:36. > :30:42.state, -- gutsy queers feather duster question. From the

:30:43. > :30:49.It's the government does not have a mandate on how to exit the Duropean

:30:50. > :30:54.Union, and that is why it is at the heart of this debate today. The

:30:55. > :30:57.other thing I would observe, is that as the Conservative governmdnt, who

:30:58. > :31:04.would have thought, the govdrnment of the Conservative Party, the party

:31:05. > :31:06.of tradition, of the venerable traditions of Parliamentary

:31:07. > :31:13.democracy, as they tiptoe away from those great traditions from which

:31:14. > :31:18.they espouse, they are firstly reinventing history and secondly the

:31:19. > :31:23.wilfully ignoring precedent. Firstly, reinventing historx. We

:31:24. > :31:27.heard it today, from the Secretary of State on Monday. Apparently the

:31:28. > :31:31.referendum on the 23rd of Jtne, was an overwhelming vote in favour of

:31:32. > :31:36.Brexit. Apparently everyone, except of course for a few misguiddd

:31:37. > :31:40.members of the liberal elitd, everyone apparently voted for

:31:41. > :31:47.Brexit, it was overwhelming. No contest. For me, the dictionary

:31:48. > :31:53.definition of overwhelming does not conform to actually a very narrow, a

:31:54. > :31:55.very narrow vote in which one side got 17.4 million votes and the other

:31:56. > :32:03.got 16.1 million votes. I don't think

:32:04. > :32:07.that is an overwhelming amotnt. But the reinvention of history

:32:08. > :32:11.continues, now apparently the government unique in this l`nd has a

:32:12. > :32:15.telepathic ability to tell ts all of the varied reasons those 17.4

:32:16. > :32:20.million people voted for Brdxit Extraordinary. Particularly

:32:21. > :32:24.extraordinary reasons they never deigns to tell a single member of

:32:25. > :32:27.our wonderful country what they actually think Brexit means. Because

:32:28. > :32:33.they couldn't agree amongst themselves then and they sthll can't

:32:34. > :32:37.agree now but nevertheless, with astonishing hindsight, they can tell

:32:38. > :32:45.us, apparently everybody voted en masse free Zaki the same thhng. --

:32:46. > :32:49.for exactly the same thing. Can we not accept that the one thing that

:32:50. > :32:54.Brexit means is that we are leaving the EU, will he not accept that

:32:55. > :32:59.will he not say on the floor of this house that he accepts that comedy is

:33:00. > :33:03.not going to contravene that also Bert it? Get a Mac as the Sdcretary

:33:04. > :33:07.of State said earlier, being outside of the European Union, Turkdy,

:33:08. > :33:12.Switzerland, Norway means a multitude of different things. That

:33:13. > :33:19.is what the challenges. That is what the Brexiteers cynically withheld

:33:20. > :33:21.from the British people bec`use they couldn't agree amongst themselves

:33:22. > :33:24.and that is why this has now needs to hold this government to `ccount.

:33:25. > :33:29.But not happy with just reinventing history over the so-called

:33:30. > :33:33.overwhelming vote, not contdnt apparently to just have this

:33:34. > :33:39.telepathic wisdom as to why everyone voted, they now also cast aspersions

:33:40. > :33:45.on 16.1 million of our fellow citizens, who didn't agree. And I

:33:46. > :33:50.find it quite extraordinary, that the Prime Minister of our country,

:33:51. > :33:54.with no mandate of our own, had the gall to get up in front of her own

:33:55. > :33:57.party conference and basically imply that if you believe as I believe,

:33:58. > :34:01.that we have a natural affinity not just with one another, not just with

:34:02. > :34:05.our constituents all those communities that we inhabit here,

:34:06. > :34:09.but with people living in other countries and times and hemhspheres,

:34:10. > :34:15.in other words if you feel that it is something called British

:34:16. > :34:17.internationalism which I believe to be a proud liberal British ddition,

:34:18. > :34:24.you are apparently according to her a citizen of nowhere.

:34:25. > :34:31.I think any government that insults 16 million citizens is not `

:34:32. > :34:39.government capable of uniting a country that was so divided on June

:34:40. > :34:44.23. It seems to be a developing theme that people who voted to

:34:45. > :34:55.Leave, not clear about exactly what they were voting for. Does he not

:34:56. > :35:01.recall clear warning by the then Chancellor that voting Leavd was to

:35:02. > :35:06.leave the single market? It cannot continue with application of the

:35:07. > :35:10.European war that the singld market would require? I think it is an

:35:11. > :35:14.unfashionable view, that thhs on diplomatic footwork and polhtical

:35:15. > :35:23.intelligence, the government could negotiate retention of the single

:35:24. > :35:28.market, and curtailment of freedom of movement. What you cannot do is

:35:29. > :35:37.have membership of the markdtplace of rules and not abide by the rules.

:35:38. > :35:43.That was not a contradiction of the British people, that is the

:35:44. > :35:52.contradiction of this government. The president is important. Many

:35:53. > :35:56.people have talked about thd history, and the legislaturd. Why is

:35:57. > :36:01.it that on the government bdnches, nobody has cited the import`nt

:36:02. > :36:09.precedent of John Major when he was Prime Minister. He was faced with

:36:10. > :36:20.the tricky decision, and he took the courageous decision to come to this

:36:21. > :36:28.house and there was what he was prepared to negotiate. And we had a

:36:29. > :36:35.vote, the debate and then the vote, on the 20, 21 November 19 90. That

:36:36. > :36:41.was a standstill over with clarity, and courage. Where is the courage?

:36:42. > :36:45.Putting the country before the party, it is truly a shame that that

:36:46. > :36:53.example set by John Major is not being followed by his followers If

:36:54. > :37:02.I may. One final precedent that has not been mentioned get. I think I

:37:03. > :37:05.have personal experience of this, it happened at the last coalithon

:37:06. > :37:14.government when I was the Ddputy Prime Minister. I said that I have

:37:15. > :37:23.two negotiate a tricky due with the rest of the European Union. It was

:37:24. > :37:31.with the so-called JHA opt out. Under the provisions, the government

:37:32. > :37:39.fell out of the cream feting and home of cooperation. We dechded

:37:40. > :37:46.which ones we were going to opt back in. We had the tussle, the `rgument,

:37:47. > :37:50.but I was told by the Secretary of State that the absolute one

:37:51. > :37:59.indispensable requirement w`s that at the beginning of the goes nations

:38:00. > :38:05.-- negotiations, we need to have a vote on the mandate of the Coalition

:38:06. > :38:14.Government and at the end, we should have another. I have got thd dates.

:38:15. > :38:29.Scrawny piece of paper. 15 July 2013. That opt out. Complex and the

:38:30. > :38:32.concluding vote, the host could be interested to learn that thd

:38:33. > :38:40.Secretary of State that was so interested was none other than the

:38:41. > :38:45.Prime Minister today. And this is the question I want to ask of the

:38:46. > :38:49.ministers. But it was justifiable for the House of Commons to have not

:38:50. > :38:56.only the debate but the votd at the beginning of the negotiations and at

:38:57. > :39:03.the conclusion for something as comparatively narrow as the JHA opt

:39:04. > :39:10.out... White is the governmdnt not granting the house something similar

:39:11. > :39:13.for something that is immeasurably more significant? It is going to

:39:14. > :39:20.have appearing on life in this country for generations. Mr Speaker,

:39:21. > :39:27.some colleagues have alreadx said that it must be a duty to try to

:39:28. > :39:34.knit the nation together, and put behind us the heat and fury of the

:39:35. > :39:38.referendum campaign, building a prosperous and successful ftture for

:39:39. > :39:42.the United Kingdom is the country leaves the European Union. H think

:39:43. > :39:47.that is easier than the tond of this debate would make you believe. I

:39:48. > :39:54.have confidence in the Brithsh people. I have spent a lot of time

:39:55. > :40:02.talking to Remain voters, bdfore and after, and encouraging Leavd voters.

:40:03. > :40:10.The good news, the Remain voters, on the whole, are not passionate

:40:11. > :40:16.advocate us of the European ideal. Around 10% of all voters in Britain

:40:17. > :40:20.according to the polls belidve in the European project. It is a

:40:21. > :40:34.perfectly noble vision, intdgration, monetary, no borders. But it is a

:40:35. > :40:37.small minority. It is clearly the view of both sides that Britain did

:40:38. > :40:44.not want to be part of the single country and the political union But

:40:45. > :40:50.it does mean that an awful lot of Remain voters, the overwhelling

:40:51. > :40:54.majority, voted to Remain not to join the field project but because

:40:55. > :40:57.they had genuine fears and worries that when we came out of thd

:40:58. > :41:09.European Union B would leavd the single market and the field trade

:41:10. > :41:14.prospects. I think we have to concentrate on that over thd next

:41:15. > :41:20.few months. It is on the central issue that those discussions are

:41:21. > :41:25.going to be killed in due course. I am conscious that the busindss

:41:26. > :41:31.community has one objective of all those, to reduce uncertaintx. Having

:41:32. > :41:35.been in business, I know it is about managing uncertainties, but it is

:41:36. > :41:42.good if you can get the polhticians to make contributions to lower

:41:43. > :41:47.uncertainty. It is important to work together to try to reduce the

:41:48. > :41:54.uncertainty and shorten the time in which the uncertainty is taking

:41:55. > :42:02.place. I am conscious that the way that you wore uncertainty as with

:42:03. > :42:15.two ways. You're going to h`ve to go at a lively pace. The more

:42:16. > :42:20.obstacles, I think we need peace. And the second thing, we only need

:42:21. > :42:24.to discuss a limited number of things. So that we can narrow the

:42:25. > :42:28.framework of the negotiation. To all of those consultants and advisers,

:42:29. > :42:36.thinking that what we want to do is to school, as they would sax, chart

:42:37. > :42:40.-- scope. Every aspect. The relationship with other European

:42:41. > :42:44.countries, and then we want to put them all on the table, throw them

:42:45. > :42:49.up, and discuss which wants to change... That would be a dhsastrous

:42:50. > :42:55.way to proceed. It would be too long. And it offers too manx

:42:56. > :43:06.hostages to fortune. The government is exactly correct. In order to have

:43:07. > :43:09.a successful negotiation, lowering scope for danger, you need to make

:43:10. > :43:13.sure that you do not see too much in advance about possible weaknesses.

:43:14. > :43:19.You do not open up their shoes for negotiation that do not need to be

:43:20. > :43:23.Dougal sheeted. And you havd two only take on board those thhngs that

:43:24. > :43:26.are genuine worry to the other side and the things that you need to take

:43:27. > :43:37.seriously because they have some power over that. The United Kingdom

:43:38. > :43:46.has voted to take back, that was the slogan, and when it was askdd to

:43:47. > :43:51.define more, so we know that cannot be negotiated away. The main area of

:43:52. > :43:55.negotiation is how we're gohng to trade with the single market when we

:43:56. > :44:05.cannot technically be part of the single market because the shngle

:44:06. > :44:10.market includes freedom of lovement, wide-ranging law codes beyond trade

:44:11. > :44:13.and commerce. It is generally defined, and not segregated within

:44:14. > :44:16.the European Union, it is a central part and part of the consolhdated

:44:17. > :44:27.treaty. The Secretary of State said

:44:28. > :44:51.something very interesting. As a I have got good news, that this

:44:52. > :44:55.country retreat perfectly successfully with the rest of the

:44:56. > :45:06.European Union and would be free to have better treaty was with the rest

:45:07. > :45:12.of the world that we have bden and we would have many tariffs on

:45:13. > :45:15.imports to Britain, and we can get the money back to British pdople so

:45:16. > :45:22.they would not be worse off as a result. Going the other way, the

:45:23. > :45:25.tariffs would be an embarrassment to European partners. We have got to be

:45:26. > :45:34.optimistic. I think they ard going to want tariff free trade. H hope

:45:35. > :45:43.that we can go through that quickly. And I hope that we can reassure

:45:44. > :45:51.them. Is it not also income and -- incumbent on the government that we

:45:52. > :45:56.want to make it less complicated, and if we try to include too many

:45:57. > :46:03.things under Article 50, for mixed competencies then we could dnd up

:46:04. > :46:06.with an agreement that requhres more protracted negotiation than if we

:46:07. > :46:10.keep things simple. It would be an advantage to business every good

:46:11. > :46:17.complete this quickly, rathdr than the two-year specified in the

:46:18. > :46:20.process. Indeed. I know a lot of people have good and bad re`sons to

:46:21. > :46:25.want to delay this and make it more complicated. It could be possible to

:46:26. > :46:34.negotiate the trade issue qtickly. We have got two models available. We

:46:35. > :46:39.want to continue but without the Barrios, I think it is easy to adopt

:46:40. > :46:47.and it makes it more successful for partners who are more successful at

:46:48. > :46:52.selling to us. And the WTO lodel, that would be fine. If you wish to

:46:53. > :46:58.have a successful, quick, strong negotiation then you should not want

:46:59. > :47:00.anything. We do not actuallx want anything from the former partners,

:47:01. > :47:08.we want them to develop the political union and we want to be

:47:09. > :47:13.free to run our own affairs, we want to have even more trade with

:47:14. > :47:16.European partners. Investment agreements, research collaborations,

:47:17. > :47:21.all of the good things that we already have. Those are not at risk.

:47:22. > :47:27.An enormous amount of goodwhll, from the United Kingdom. The members

:47:28. > :47:32.opposite want to split us up by saying that everything could go

:47:33. > :47:40.wrong. Show confidence, show optimism, sure that we can `ctually

:47:41. > :47:44.do this and be good friends. The honourable gentleman is absolutely

:47:45. > :47:48.correct, we have a mutual interest with other European countrids for

:47:49. > :47:52.continuing research projects and university collaboration. At that as

:47:53. > :47:59.part of the European Union budget. If we're going to do this, he has

:48:00. > :48:06.got to get off as high horsd, about not making contributions. Wd will

:48:07. > :48:09.behave, and have collaborathons with them and we will have collaborations

:48:10. > :48:13.on most of them as meat and requirement arises. But the

:48:14. > :48:20.important thing is that we will have taken back control. I am urging the

:48:21. > :48:23.party opposite to understand that I am passionately in favour of party

:48:24. > :48:28.democracy, that is why we h`ve the campaign. I have every confhdence

:48:29. > :48:35.this parliament is going to rise to the occasion and today is a good

:48:36. > :48:40.example as the opposition h`ve time, alloted to this subject, thd could

:48:41. > :48:44.have tabled a motion about the negotiation but they are not ready

:48:45. > :48:52.to do that. That was in thehr power. The could have tried to veto the

:48:53. > :48:56.Article 50 later. But it was wise not to. I think constituents would

:48:57. > :49:00.have seen that as an attempt to thwart the vote. But nothing

:49:01. > :49:05.stopping them from doing those things. I am pleased that otr

:49:06. > :49:10.Secretary of State has done to statements, statements from select

:49:11. > :49:14.committees and has been herd in person to answer the debate, we do

:49:15. > :49:19.not always get the car to sde, and that those wheel for more scrutiny.

:49:20. > :49:24.I am pleased that the mean we we will be leaving the European Union

:49:25. > :49:27.is by repeal of the 1972 act, because that means the central

:49:28. > :49:33.process is going to be a long, constitutional bill. Not long in

:49:34. > :49:42.terms wordage, of but proceddings, I am sure the SNP will want to look

:49:43. > :49:47.over every bit of punctuation, and they have the right to do so to a

:49:48. > :49:52.point. Parliament will conshder That is exactly as it should be and

:49:53. > :49:55.it is good to be a celebrathon of democracy, which the majority voted

:49:56. > :50:03.to strengthen that we do thhs by parliamentary means, and thdreafter,

:50:04. > :50:14.all that European law will become British law. That is the irony.

:50:15. > :50:20.Thereafter, we have the parliament can make a decision as to whether it

:50:21. > :50:27.is wise or not to repeal. If it had a great bearing on trade for the

:50:28. > :50:31.European Union, it would be important to see, things like

:50:32. > :50:33.product standards or whatevdr. You need to meet the customer

:50:34. > :50:38.requirements and now of course will beep part of what is reflected in

:50:39. > :50:41.that continuation of our legislation. The other great news

:50:42. > :50:45.and it is the only thing in the single market that is worthwhile, it

:50:46. > :50:48.is mainly very bureaucratic and expensive and pretty and too

:50:49. > :50:52.bureaucratic, the one thing at the works in the single market hs it

:50:53. > :50:56.provides you with common product specifications and standards so if

:50:57. > :51:00.you wash machine is saleabld in France it is also saleable hncrease.

:51:01. > :51:04.The great news is that when we are out of the EU, it is still true it

:51:05. > :51:09.is an advantage for American exporter in the EU, as well as a UK

:51:10. > :51:13.exporter into the EU. And when we are in a similar position to

:51:14. > :51:17.America, an independent country with friendly trading, we will gdt that

:51:18. > :51:21.full benefit. So Mr Deputy Speaker, let us bring the country together,

:51:22. > :51:28.let a show that we can be more prosperous and successful and let us

:51:29. > :51:31.show that the trade is not `ctually at risk, there must be confhdent in

:51:32. > :51:35.our negotiation, let us not use this place to make all manner of problems

:51:36. > :51:39.for those who want to wreck our negotiation good comfort all

:51:40. > :51:42.support, but let our show hdr everything we can do, can create

:51:43. > :51:49.more jobs, more trade and investment. Can I just say that

:51:50. > :51:56.after the next be get it will be dropping to six minutes. Hilary

:51:57. > :52:00.Benn. May I say genuinely to the Right Honourable gentleman, this is

:52:01. > :52:04.what they say to the single market, one could easily forget that the

:52:05. > :52:08.late Baroness Thatcher was one of the great advocates of the single

:52:09. > :52:12.market, and I think what thd debate thus far has demonstrated is that

:52:13. > :52:15.some members find it rather difficult to leave behind, the

:52:16. > :52:23.arguments and the stances t`ken during the course of the reference

:52:24. > :52:26.but, as my right honourable friend for Doncaster pointed out, we have

:52:27. > :52:29.to respect the decision of the British people, we have too

:52:30. > :52:33.implemented to negotiate an agreement for the whole country and

:52:34. > :52:37.in seeking to do that, we h`ve to try to heal the wounds and calm the

:52:38. > :52:44.fears that were created, in particular on the part of the 4 %. I

:52:45. > :52:47.will give way. Just because he said that the late Baroness Thatcher was

:52:48. > :52:52.a fan of the single market, you should know that I'd fight on it and

:52:53. > :52:58.I advised not to give up thd veto, she didn't accept my advice and I

:52:59. > :53:03.think she came to regret th`t. Well I think the house is grateftl for

:53:04. > :53:06.that history lesson. I think that's the right honourable gentlelan will

:53:07. > :53:11.forgive me if I date take hhs advice either on some of the argumdnts that

:53:12. > :53:15.he has advanced on his speech this afternoon. Though I respect the

:53:16. > :53:19.position that he has long hdld. I respect the calls from all parts of

:53:20. > :53:23.a house for proper scrutiny and accountability, given the scale of

:53:24. > :53:27.the task that we face. Setup very clearly by my right honourable

:53:28. > :53:32.friend, the basis on which we are going to trigger Article 50,

:53:33. > :53:38.continued access to European markets, future arrangements for

:53:39. > :53:40.immigration and maintaining cooperation with our Europe`n

:53:41. > :53:43.neighbours in areas where that cooperation has benefited both. I

:53:44. > :53:47.think there are four things that we need to think of as we undertake

:53:48. > :53:50.this task, one is to minimise uncertainty, something we h`ve heard

:53:51. > :53:54.a great deal of in this deb`te. Secondly, the clarity of thd timing

:53:55. > :53:59.and content of negotiations, thirdly protecting the things that we value

:54:00. > :54:02.coming from Europe and fourthly thinking creatively about how we

:54:03. > :54:10.build a new kind of relationship with Europe, I will give wax. I

:54:11. > :54:16.thank my honourable friend. The Secretary of State said that he

:54:17. > :54:19.wanted to minimise things, he might want to give an self marks out of

:54:20. > :54:24.ten on how he is doing things. Tomorrow the British the German

:54:25. > :54:31.chamber of commerce, is holding a meeting on the impact of Brdxit On

:54:32. > :54:37.the financial services. One thing that is preoccupying his passport

:54:38. > :54:39.in, it is uncertainty on thhs issue that is already creating bad

:54:40. > :54:43.decisions on employment and investment in this country `nd

:54:44. > :54:46.wouldn't my honourable friend agree, that in these crucial areas, the

:54:47. > :54:51.government must address uncertainties. I am grateful to my

:54:52. > :54:56.honourable friend and I shall come on to address it in a moment. I

:54:57. > :54:59.would just say that some of the uncertainty is inevitable and will

:55:00. > :55:02.not be resolved until the negotiating process has been

:55:03. > :55:06.concluded. Some of it is thd result of different things being s`id, one

:55:07. > :55:10.has to acknowledge by different members of the government, `s well

:55:11. > :55:16.as by the things that have been left unsaid, which may lead others to

:55:17. > :55:20.draw conclusions, and then `ct upon them in the absence of clarhty. The

:55:21. > :55:24.announcement for example of Nissan that they will not invest any more

:55:25. > :55:28.in this country without guarantees from the government is indedd

:55:29. > :55:31.unwelcome, but it is entirely understandable, because what car

:55:32. > :55:35.manufacturer, my right honotrable friend talked about Jaguar Land

:55:36. > :55:39.Rover, is going to invest additional capacity if there is still some

:55:40. > :55:45.doubt that we might leave, with no agreement on trade. It could lead to

:55:46. > :55:50.those cars facing a tariff. I except that we are likely in the end to get

:55:51. > :55:54.an agreement in which there are no tariffs on manufactured goods.

:55:55. > :55:59.Frankly, the sooner that can be made clear, the better. Now therd are

:56:00. > :56:03.those who argue that it would be perfectly possible within the

:56:04. > :56:09.dossier is provided by article 0 not only to negotiate the mdchanics

:56:10. > :56:12.of our withdrawal, but also to conclude, a new trading agrdement,

:56:13. > :56:16.that will give access to thd single market for our goods and services,

:56:17. > :56:21.which haven't been much talked about but my honourable friend rahsed the

:56:22. > :56:27.point. 80% of the economy ddpends on services, they may be right but I

:56:28. > :56:30.somehow doubt it. I'm going to not take any more interventions because

:56:31. > :56:34.there are many other colleagues that want to speak. If that is the case,

:56:35. > :56:38.then we will clearly need a transitional agreement to cover the

:56:39. > :56:43.time after we have left the European Union, until the moment when a final

:56:44. > :56:46.agreement on trade and markdt access has been reached. I listened very

:56:47. > :56:50.carefully to what the Secretary of State had to say, when I asked him a

:56:51. > :56:56.question on Monday but I thhnk that the government needs to say now

:56:57. > :56:59.explicitly, that if we have not been able to conclude such an agreement,

:57:00. > :57:04.by the end of the dossier is, and there is no guarantee whatsoever

:57:05. > :57:08.that all 27 member states whll agree to extend the period, then we will

:57:09. > :57:13.seek that transitional arrangement because that would help to boost

:57:14. > :57:17.business confidence. Now thd second aspect of uncertainty, is its impact

:57:18. > :57:21.upon people. Unfortunately hn the last couple of weeks, a number of

:57:22. > :57:25.statements had been made about EU nationals and overseas workdrs in

:57:26. > :57:29.the UK. I welcome the fact that it now appears that there is not going

:57:30. > :57:33.to be a requirement on comp`nies to publish lists of overseas workers,

:57:34. > :57:38.but there was a reference m`de, to overseas doctors, who make ` huge

:57:39. > :57:41.and important contribution to the NHS being able to stay here for a

:57:42. > :57:46.interim period until we havd trained more doctors in Britain which is a

:57:47. > :57:50.good thing. I think it was tnwise to talk about overseas students as if

:57:51. > :57:54.they are a problem to be cr`cked down on and I think it was ` mistake

:57:55. > :58:01.to describe EU citizens if they are living here and working herd and

:58:02. > :58:06.paying tax, as a card to be used in negotiations, words matter, they are

:58:07. > :58:13.not a card, they are people. And they listen intently to what is

:58:14. > :58:18.said. Because ministers realise they take it personally and they

:58:19. > :58:22.feel unwanted. And I say, I feel that it is very damaging to our

:58:23. > :58:26.reputation as a country, th`t has always welcomed people who want to

:58:27. > :58:32.come here to work and to sttdy and to contribute. I say that, `ccepting

:58:33. > :58:39.that the 52% who voted to ldave did send us a message about thehr wish

:58:40. > :58:45.to control immigration. Although many people I spoke to, accdpted in

:58:46. > :58:48.arguing that, that there wotld be a continuing need for workers to come

:58:49. > :58:52.and contrary their skills and contribute to society and so many

:58:53. > :58:57.different businesses and sectors. So I would encourage this does to offer

:58:58. > :59:01.as much reassurance as posshble now, to those EU citizens about

:59:02. > :59:05.their likely future status. Recognising, that it is in our own

:59:06. > :59:09.self-interest to do so, that the way in which we approach that m`tter

:59:10. > :59:13.will have an impact on the spirit in which the other 27 member states,

:59:14. > :59:21.from which those people comd approach the negotiations that we

:59:22. > :59:25.are about to embark on. And also to provide some clarity, about how it

:59:26. > :59:31.plans, to balance, the desire to control free movement, with

:59:32. > :59:38.continued access. I think I have run out of my minutes, I I hope the

:59:39. > :59:42.honourable member will forghve me if I don't. Clarity about how ht

:59:43. > :59:45.proposes to handle the tradd-off and access to the single market, given

:59:46. > :59:49.that we know from statements that have been made and signals that have

:59:50. > :59:53.been sent, that the EU wants to set its face against any changes to the

:59:54. > :59:57.four freedoms and they have also made a pretty clear that thdy wish

:59:58. > :00:02.to demonstrate to us and through our experience to others, that there is

:00:03. > :00:07.a cost to leaving the Europdan Union or around. Would the honour`ble

:00:08. > :00:11.gentleman agree to me that there is a grave danger when we talk about

:00:12. > :00:15.immigration of extrapolating from the referendum was out that there is

:00:16. > :00:19.a desire to reduce immigrathon. The two great cities that have benefited

:00:20. > :00:25.and have overwhelming immigrant populations, London and Leicester,

:00:26. > :00:28.voted remain. The honourabld lady is right and it brings me very neatly

:00:29. > :00:33.to the point that I was abott to make about one of those gre`t

:00:34. > :00:38.industries, in our capital city The impact of all of this, on the

:00:39. > :00:43.services sector including the financial services and the City of

:00:44. > :00:46.London, which is a network, built on relationships, and technology and

:00:47. > :00:54.agreements with the EU, and through other countries. I would describe it

:00:55. > :00:57.as a delicate ecosystem, part of it built on managing risk. Members of

:00:58. > :01:00.the how should not be surprhsed if those who manage risk freelx,

:01:01. > :01:04.looking at the risks that they think they might face from not getting an

:01:05. > :01:07.agreement that would allow them to carry on what they have been doing,

:01:08. > :01:11.drawing their own conclusions about where they are going to put their

:01:12. > :01:14.business, where they are gohng to do their business and where thdy are

:01:15. > :01:20.going to employ their staff in future. On the great repeal Bill, I

:01:21. > :01:27.say to my right honourable friend, the great improvisation Bill, -

:01:28. > :01:32.incorporation bill. I will lake it clear, that the workers' rights will

:01:33. > :01:37.be protected, that people do care about and environs, that

:01:38. > :01:41.environmental protections whll be maintained, in future. That in all

:01:42. > :01:45.of this, there has to be transparency. And we except, I

:01:46. > :01:49.accept, the ultimate that it would be unreasonable for the govdrnment

:01:50. > :01:54.to reveal its detailed negotiating plan and its tactics prior to

:01:55. > :01:58.advancing its case in those bigger stations, but Mr Deputy Spe`ker that

:01:59. > :02:03.is not the same as being unwilling, to answer questions about what our

:02:04. > :02:08.negotiating objectives are, and it is not the same as being unwilling,

:02:09. > :02:11.to share the assessments th`t the government has made about the

:02:12. > :02:16.possible consequences of le`ving the European Union. So on the fhrst

:02:17. > :02:22.some very simple questions, does the government intends to remain, in

:02:23. > :02:27.another treaty, does it want to be part of the European medicines

:02:28. > :02:30.agency, or Europol, the European Arrest Warrant, what about the

:02:31. > :02:34.European aviation safety authority, the European patents office and the

:02:35. > :02:37.European banking authority. Those are very straight questions about

:02:38. > :02:42.what is negotiating objective of the government. As it looks to the other

:02:43. > :02:47.27 member states. And we also the story on the front page of the Times

:02:48. > :02:52.and the Guardian, about this allegedly to Cabinet committee paper

:02:53. > :02:56.that talks about the loss of GDP that we can expect, and it will have

:02:57. > :03:00.a detrimental impact on tax. It is good that the government is doing

:03:01. > :03:08.assessments, it would be nice if it could be shared with the hotse

:03:09. > :03:11.because we need to know the consequences of the different

:03:12. > :03:16.options that are being lookdd at. The final point, is about a new

:03:17. > :03:21.ratio the European Union, in the areas where cooperation has been to

:03:22. > :03:25.our mutual benefit. In parthcular security, defence and foreign

:03:26. > :03:29.policy. Because I think it hs essential, think of the deb`te that

:03:30. > :03:32.we had on Aleppo and Syria, that we continue to co-operate closdly with

:03:33. > :03:37.our European neighbours even though we are leaving the instituthons of

:03:38. > :03:41.the European Union. This is going to be a very complex and daunthng

:03:42. > :03:44.process and I do not end thd ministers because having to do this

:03:45. > :03:48.on top of all of the other demands of the ministerial job is not

:03:49. > :03:52.something that any of us wotld relish, but it is our responsibility

:03:53. > :03:55.in this house on all sides of the chamber, to make sure that we

:03:56. > :03:58.scrutinise and hold the govdrnment to account as they give effdct to

:03:59. > :04:02.the decision that the British people have made and since restoring

:04:03. > :04:06.sovereignty and the point h`s been made, one of the main reasons

:04:07. > :04:11.advanced, by those who say that we should lead, ministers cannot now

:04:12. > :04:15.argue, that exercising sovereignty does not extend, to the biggest

:04:16. > :04:18.challenge that we faced as ` country to the end of the Second World War

:04:19. > :04:33.that since the end of the Sdcond World War.

:04:34. > :04:44.It is going to affect every single one of us. And all the generations

:04:45. > :04:50.after rows. Thank you very luch indeed Mr Deputy Speaker. It is a

:04:51. > :04:58.pleasure to follow the honotrable member for Leeds Central. I suspect

:04:59. > :05:01.he is going to have a key p`rt scrutinising these negotiathons over

:05:02. > :05:10.the next coming months and decades. I managed to avoid debating the

:05:11. > :05:16.European Union, it is custolary habit for many members of mx party,

:05:17. > :05:26.by becoming minister, althotgh I was the European Union budget Mhnister,

:05:27. > :05:38.and chairman of Stone. Let le make it clear. I, as somebody who wanted

:05:39. > :05:48.to Remain, except the results of June 20. -- 23. That is why I think

:05:49. > :05:52.the government amendment th`t has been put down can be supported. But

:05:53. > :06:01.once that negotiations have been completed we will have a different

:06:02. > :06:05.relationship to the member states from outside the European Union

:06:06. > :06:16.That is why also want to support the Labour motion. It recognises that

:06:17. > :06:19.leaving the European Union was the issue for the United Kingdol. The

:06:20. > :06:26.decisions that we take over the next few months and yours, in thhs

:06:27. > :06:30.parliament will shape this country for decades and generations. That is

:06:31. > :06:35.a responsibility that we nedd to take seriously and to do th`t as the

:06:36. > :06:38.shadow Secretary of State h`s said without point-scoring and

:06:39. > :06:44.partisanship. It is going to be about access to the single larket,

:06:45. > :06:50.balancing those with issues about freedom of movement and immhgration

:06:51. > :07:00.control. I was struck that when the Secretary of State meet his address

:07:01. > :07:05.to Parliament insert timber, the words single market were nowhere in

:07:06. > :07:09.his statement. That is corrdct to say that relationship betwedn the

:07:10. > :07:13.single market and freedom of movement was not on the ballot

:07:14. > :07:18.paper. That is what we are going to be discussing for months to come. It

:07:19. > :07:23.is correct to say, as I havd already said, that in the Conservathve Party

:07:24. > :07:31.2015 manifesto, it is clear that we are clear about what we want from

:07:32. > :07:34.Europe. We say, all those mdmbers of parliament elected on the

:07:35. > :07:40.Conservative Party manifesto, we have said yes to the single market.

:07:41. > :07:45.And the Prime Minister, in her speech to the Conservative Party

:07:46. > :07:50.conference said clearly that we want to give British companies the

:07:51. > :07:57.maximum freedom to trade and operate in the single market. For anybody to

:07:58. > :08:05.say that the single market would not, just because we are repealing

:08:06. > :08:18.the act, is not correct. Dods she accept that it is impossibld for us

:08:19. > :08:21.to repeal the 1972 act, the end game, and remain under the

:08:22. > :08:28.jurisdiction of the single larket. We trade with the market but we are

:08:29. > :08:31.not in? That is the point. The point is that the European Communhty s

:08:32. > :08:37.act was passed away before the single market was actually

:08:38. > :08:41.envisaged, by one of the former Prime Minister is. As somebody who

:08:42. > :08:44.has engaged in commercial negotiations for years before I

:08:45. > :08:50.reached this house I think `nything is possible. As the former Deputy

:08:51. > :08:56.Prime Minister has said. In the tame available I want to make three quick

:08:57. > :09:00.points. I want to pick up on the point made by the rate honotrable

:09:01. > :09:06.member. I was pretty concerned to hear this last week. It was an

:09:07. > :09:11.interview given by the Duchdss of Lancaster, that the Cabinet had not

:09:12. > :09:15.been consulted on the timing of the triggering of article 50. That it

:09:16. > :09:19.was clearly chosen by a small group of people, as something to be

:09:20. > :09:26.announced at my party's conference. The Cabinet, Parliament, must be

:09:27. > :09:33.organised in scrutinise each and must be kept informed around leaving

:09:34. > :09:44.the European Union. The second point, as we heard is about European

:09:45. > :09:49.citizens. I was heartbroken to receive an e-mail, and this is not

:09:50. > :09:54.the only one I will receive, from a constituent who has moved hdre from

:09:55. > :09:58.elsewhere in the European Union Going through a difficult court case

:09:59. > :10:03.over custody of her children, settled there and restrictions on

:10:04. > :10:08.where her children can travdl. She said to me, as European Union

:10:09. > :10:13.citizens that is becoming increasingly to your -- cle`rer it

:10:14. > :10:20.is going to become almost ilpossible to live in the United Kingdom. I am

:10:21. > :10:23.going to find it difficult to get employment, she has PHD deeled

:10:24. > :10:28.there, because she is not British. That is not the country I w`nt. I do

:10:29. > :10:33.not think that is a country that this government or Parliament once.

:10:34. > :10:38.That is not the message that we want to devote to this country, `nd on

:10:39. > :10:45.the skills of those who havd come here for generations. I suspect many

:10:46. > :10:52.of us sitting here are here because forefathers moved here. Let me have

:10:53. > :10:57.one final remark. Those who have been asking questions about the

:10:58. > :11:02.scrutiny by this parliament of the fundamental negotiations ard not

:11:03. > :11:10.trying to thwart the will of the people. I resent that implication, I

:11:11. > :11:16.resent that from the newspapers and ministers, and that only encourages

:11:17. > :11:20.me to ask more questions. I will work with colleagues on the side of

:11:21. > :11:26.the house, and across the house to ask those questions. It is

:11:27. > :11:32.Parliament's duty to scrutinise the executive. I have been at the

:11:33. > :11:36.dispatch box. And rightly so. I am on the backbenches. I am gohng to

:11:37. > :11:40.scrutinise the executive. Constituents send us here as members

:11:41. > :11:46.of Parliament to ask questions that they cannot ask ministers

:11:47. > :11:50.themselves. We must, colleagues take every opportunity to ask those

:11:51. > :11:52.questions and get the best possible deal for the country as we leave the

:11:53. > :12:03.European Union. Mr Deputy Speaker, it is a pleasure

:12:04. > :12:08.to follow the right honourable lady. It was a powerful speech. I agree

:12:09. > :12:15.with everything that she sahd. I want to be a three something that

:12:16. > :12:23.she said at the end and the stock. -- end at the start. I camp`igned,

:12:24. > :12:27.to Remain in the European Union but I accept the result. Although the

:12:28. > :12:33.Prime Minister and ministers have spent the last few months, seeing

:12:34. > :12:39.that Brexit means Brexit, this is simply meaningless. People voted

:12:40. > :12:43.Leave for many reasons. And Brexit could take many different forms I

:12:44. > :12:51.am clear that the majority of my constituents voted Leave for a

:12:52. > :12:57.variety of reasons, but not to become poorer, for wages to drop.

:12:58. > :13:03.And not to lose jobs. I am trging the government to be a bus lade

:13:04. > :13:10.With everything that they do. - bear this in mind. We have ` hugely

:13:11. > :13:19.important job to do. The job is not to rerun the referendum, or blog the

:13:20. > :13:22.exit, it is to make sure th`t the government secures the best possible

:13:23. > :13:28.deal for the country and constituents. -- block. I think my

:13:29. > :13:33.right honourable friend makds an important point. She represdnts

:13:34. > :13:41.constituents. She wants somd answers to the questions about what the 's

:13:42. > :13:48.future relationship is going to be with the single market. And

:13:49. > :13:53.companies like Jaguar, Land Rover, want to know about future

:13:54. > :14:02.investment. They have invested a lot of money in the Midlands. Nhssan was

:14:03. > :14:09.going to invest in Coventry. But they could not get regional funds.

:14:10. > :14:19.That is why they used the shngle market. I completely agree. Jaguar

:14:20. > :14:23.Land Rover, important. It w`s set, by the Secretary of State that he

:14:24. > :14:28.had visited countries, but he said nothing at the same thing. We need

:14:29. > :14:36.parliamentary scrutiny. That does not mean seeking to thwart the will

:14:37. > :14:47.of the people. I am going to focus on three tests. The first. @re they

:14:48. > :14:52.being driven by the national interest, or party interest? So far,

:14:53. > :14:55.regrettably, the record is not good. Julia coincidence that the Prime

:14:56. > :15:00.Minister's announcement that we would invoke article 50 by the end

:15:01. > :15:04.of 2017 happen to be on the opening day of the Conservative Party

:15:05. > :15:08.conference? Was it just a coincidence that she wanted to

:15:09. > :15:18.reassure the party faithful that herself as a lukewarm Remainer

:15:19. > :15:31.thought we should Leave? Eqtally, she made the claim that "thdre is no

:15:32. > :15:34.such thing as a choice betwden soft Brexit and hard Brexit." Shd knows

:15:35. > :15:43.that the party is divided. Ht is not just bizarre, it is wrong. Hf we

:15:44. > :15:49.have no such distinction, why did the ? slump to a 30 year low? Why

:15:50. > :15:54.has the Treasury said that hard Brexit could cost 66 billion a year

:15:55. > :16:01.in lost revenue. And the economy will be between five and 9% smaller

:16:02. > :16:06.had we stayed in the single market. If we have no such distincthon, why

:16:07. > :16:12.have Nissan said they are going to have no father in basement hn plans

:16:13. > :16:17.across the United Kingdom when the company does not know if thdy are

:16:18. > :16:21.going to be facing tariffs. It seems clear to me that some Tory lembers

:16:22. > :16:28.are happy to trade with the rest of the European Union, still the main

:16:29. > :16:34.trade partner, under these terms. The entire national secretary seems

:16:35. > :16:42.to be worryingly in that category. -- international. But some lembers

:16:43. > :16:49.disagree. One rate honourable member called this bonkers. It would mean a

:16:50. > :16:56.tariff on experts. 10% on c`rs. 20% on beer, whisky. And obviously, non

:16:57. > :17:00.tariff barriers on trade. It has already been mentioned and H think

:17:01. > :17:03.it is worth repeating, the Conservative Party manifesto last

:17:04. > :17:08.year stressed that we benefht from the single market, we have been

:17:09. > :17:12.clearer about what we want from Europe, we have said yes to the

:17:13. > :17:20.single market. This is the basis on which they have been elected. They

:17:21. > :17:25.were right last year. It is why the government must push to ret`in

:17:26. > :17:32.access. The second test, can the government mitigate the risks of

:17:33. > :17:38.leaving and maximising opportunities? So far, not so good.

:17:39. > :17:42.Many members on the Conserv`tive benches seem to think that xou only

:17:43. > :17:47.have upsides to leaving the European Union. But it is obvious, some

:17:48. > :17:52.fundamental risks to the economy if we get this wrong. The government

:17:53. > :17:55.should level with people, and say that exiting the European Union is

:17:56. > :18:01.not going to be straightforward it is good to be difficult and

:18:02. > :18:07.sensitive. Risky. I believe that the government has two aim for soft

:18:08. > :18:13.Brexit, that is the best option without his tariff Barrios,

:18:14. > :18:18.maintaining consumer protection and security measures that are so vital

:18:19. > :18:23.to keeping the country say. But I also believe that we need to look at

:18:24. > :18:27.some restrictions on free movement. I have had many conversations with

:18:28. > :18:34.constituents at Wolverhampton who voted to leave the European Union.

:18:35. > :18:39.One of them was immigration. Some have said that reconciling these

:18:40. > :18:47.issues is impossible. But whthin the European Union, Norway has `n

:18:48. > :18:50.emergency break, and were then those freedoms for capital goods `nd

:18:51. > :18:56.services, we do not have absolute free movement of services. Third

:18:57. > :19:01.test. I am going to run out of time. The government should not bd in

:19:02. > :19:05.denial about the point that the right honourable gentleman lade We

:19:06. > :19:10.need to negotiate a transithon period. If we're going to ndgotiate

:19:11. > :19:16.a free trade deal with the rest of the European Union, it is good to be

:19:17. > :19:19.a cliff edge between exiting and closing out negotiations, and the

:19:20. > :19:28.conclusion of that free trade deal. That is going to take years. It is

:19:29. > :19:30.going to be a mixed deal, and ratification of national

:19:31. > :19:35.parliaments, throughout the 27 member states. I hope that the

:19:36. > :19:39.Brexit Secretary of State whll not be in denial about this. It is one

:19:40. > :19:40.of the most important aspects of the negotiation. I hope the govdrnment

:19:41. > :19:50.will start to do better. and you I wholly endorse and support

:19:51. > :19:58.the very wise words of my friend, the member for Rushcliffe, but I

:19:59. > :20:03.wholly endorse and support the very wise words from my new friend, the

:20:04. > :20:08.Right Honourable member for Doncaster North. And before anyone

:20:09. > :20:15.reading this has a problem with that, may I just also agree with the

:20:16. > :20:19.short intervention from the member from Beaconsfield. Get real. We are

:20:20. > :20:23.living in extra ordinary tiles and incredible things have happdned Who

:20:24. > :20:27.would have believed a year `go we would be having this debate, after

:20:28. > :20:33.all that has happened. And, rightly so. Many of us believe taking a

:20:34. > :20:40.cross-party approach, because as the cross-party approach, because as the

:20:41. > :20:45.member said, this, the situ`tion our country is in, the situation we face

:20:46. > :20:52.as we leave the EU, and I accept the verdict, the referendum restlt, as

:20:53. > :20:58.we do these things, we are hn difficult, dangerous times `nd

:20:59. > :21:04.putting our country first and be interests of our constituents

:21:05. > :21:15.transcends everything. That's should transcend the divide. They landed

:21:16. > :21:20.gentlemen who represents Holborn and some pancreas, I agree with him we

:21:21. > :21:25.are in these difficult and dangerous times and we trade with gre`t

:21:26. > :21:29.carefulness because of this. As he rightly says, there was one question

:21:30. > :21:34.on that ballot paper and it's wrong to assume that there's a whole

:21:35. > :21:40.series of mandates that flow from that one, simple and very

:21:41. > :21:42.straightforward question, and with great respect of the Prime Linister,

:21:43. > :21:46.the Cabinet and those in Government, the Cabinet and those in Government,

:21:47. > :21:51.we are using that as an exctse for other mandates and that is simply

:21:52. > :22:00.wrong. I'm very concerned about this extrapolation, the new buzzword

:22:01. > :22:03.perhaps, that we see, 52% of the British people voted for controls on

:22:04. > :22:09.immigration, well, those who were concerned about immigration, as the

:22:10. > :22:21.lady from Wolverhampton West said, tread carefully, I would sax to her.

:22:22. > :22:26.When people were concerned `bout immigration, not control, btt less

:22:27. > :22:30.immigration. And may I gently say to her, you have to be true to what you

:22:31. > :22:37.believe in. And it's so important that in this debate, one molent and

:22:38. > :22:41.I will... As this debate unfolds on immigration, we have got to be brave

:22:42. > :22:46.and true to what we believe in, and we have got to take people on in

:22:47. > :22:52.that debate. And my honourable friend fluff bra, stood there on the

:22:53. > :23:00.day of the referendum and wd have that debate, and the tragedx was, by

:23:01. > :23:06.that time it was too late. Hf you make the debate that in the hearts

:23:07. > :23:19.that the British people are good and tolerant and well understand -- and

:23:20. > :23:27.will understand that what's -- what's immigration has brought to

:23:28. > :23:33.the UK. There has been talk of reducing immigration to the tens of

:23:34. > :23:40.thousands... But let me say to you, here and now, we have two abandoned

:23:41. > :23:44.that target. We can't keep ht. We know the reality, and in silple

:23:45. > :23:49.terms, who is going to do the jobs of these people that come hdre, this

:23:50. > :23:54.seems to be a nonsensical idea that with a bit of upscaling him in their

:23:55. > :24:00.that we will find millions of people who come to work, not just hn low

:24:01. > :24:04.skilled jobs, but right through to the highest levels, to rese`rch and

:24:05. > :24:07.development, the great entrepreneurs. We should be singing

:24:08. > :24:12.out about this great countrx about, we should be making it clear we are

:24:13. > :24:16.open for business, open to people as we always have been, becausd they

:24:17. > :24:21.contribute to our country, not just in economic terms but in cultural

:24:22. > :24:27.terms, and I fear we are in grave danger of extrapolating this away,

:24:28. > :24:39.which is not what I believe is the poor of being British. -- core.

:24:40. > :24:44.There is a space between no free movement and free movement hn its

:24:45. > :24:47.entirety -- entirety. I'm not arguing the note immigration. I do

:24:48. > :24:52.believe they are great for our country, but we need restrictions in

:24:53. > :25:02.some sectors, in some areas. I believe that with be respecting the

:25:03. > :25:06.mandate. There is the absoltte need for us to do what the amendlent

:25:07. > :25:10.says, which is to have thesd debates, as we go forward, to shape

:25:11. > :25:15.our new relationship with Etrope, and all these issues have to be

:25:16. > :25:19.debated, so I agree with thdse statements and I want to go one step

:25:20. > :25:35.further. When I listen to the words -- landed and wised -- wise -- learn

:25:36. > :25:40.it and wise words of the melbers, we don't just come here to havd these

:25:41. > :25:46.easy to recall debates, and I feel a lotta people listening to this would

:25:47. > :25:50.think that yet again, this hs politicians talking in ways which is

:25:51. > :25:55.relating to what is happening in the real world. What is happening is

:25:56. > :26:03.that British business in eight difficult and serious predicament.

:26:04. > :26:07.The pound has hit a 30 year low What does it mean? A friend last

:26:08. > :26:16.night sent via text says her visit -- business is now on the vdrge of

:26:17. > :26:21.going under. It means a company like mine in my constituency is seeing

:26:22. > :26:28.its best EU workers leaving. They feel they have no place herd. The

:26:29. > :26:32.University of Nottingham have said to me they can no longer recruit.

:26:33. > :26:37.Their best academics feel no longer welcome in our country, and, I'm

:26:38. > :26:43.sorry, we should be holding our heads in shame that that is the real

:26:44. > :26:46.feeling that real people, rdal constituents have and I will

:26:47. > :26:52.continue to speak out on thdir behalf. I want to say, Mr Speaker,

:26:53. > :26:59.we are talking about wanting to build a consensus, such as the one

:27:00. > :27:06.discussed by the member for Doncaster North, we need to consider

:27:07. > :27:13.the 48 he voted for us to rdmain in the European Union. I don't agree

:27:14. > :27:19.when we were saying -- when he was saying we are rejecting Europe. It

:27:20. > :27:26.included pre-movement, we ignore those brave, good people at our

:27:27. > :27:32.peril. And, I feel so many of them feel they have been forgottdn, and

:27:33. > :27:36.are invariably abused on social media. I have no difficulty in

:27:37. > :27:47.standing here and saying I will not give up on the 48th cent. I will go

:27:48. > :27:51.further. I think there is a real movement now the people who will see

:27:52. > :27:59.Brexit unravel and they see the reality of the referendum vote,

:28:00. > :28:04.there's a good chance that 48% may become the majority. Finallx, I was

:28:05. > :28:11.see this gently, there's a real danger in our country, 75% of those

:28:12. > :28:19.young voters voted remain, `nd many of them feel and older generation

:28:20. > :28:24.has robbed them of our future. Our job is to make sure that evdryone is

:28:25. > :28:25.involved and we get the best deal for our country as we leave the

:28:26. > :28:32.European Union. Unlike some of the European Union. Unlike some of the

:28:33. > :28:37.fantasists and ideologues on the benches opposite to somehow believe

:28:38. > :28:44.that Brexit is a pain - fred process, I live in the real world.

:28:45. > :28:48.We do not deny that the British people have voted to leave the

:28:49. > :28:52.European Union. We do not ddny that, but what we are determined on our

:28:53. > :29:00.benches to achieve is that Brexit for working people, not a h`rd

:29:01. > :29:08.Brexit, not a Brexit at bre`kneck speed, but a Brexit that dods not

:29:09. > :29:13.damage Britain's national interest, of our economy and our workdrs. We

:29:14. > :29:20.are also determined to pay tributes to the Honourable Lady for her

:29:21. > :29:27.outstanding speech, we are `lso determined to see to Parlialent to

:29:28. > :29:31.call the Government to accotnt. I'd like to pay tribute in parthcular to

:29:32. > :29:36.the honourable member for Holborn and some Pancras, an outstanding

:29:37. > :29:39.lawyer, and also somebody who has quite rightly led the argumdnt that

:29:40. > :29:46.this House should call the Government to account. Now, I want

:29:47. > :29:51.to make three points. First, Jaguar Land Rover, can I tell a story.

:29:52. > :29:58.Three months ago I got out of my car and I heard a voice, it was Warren.

:29:59. > :30:02.I first met him at a jobs there we organised for years ago and he got

:30:03. > :30:09.an apprenticeship at the colpany. He said come with me I want yot to meet

:30:10. > :30:13.my partner and her mum and dad. We are moving into the House of my

:30:14. > :30:19.dreams. I'm with the women of my dreams and it is because I've got a

:30:20. > :30:31.good and secure job in the Jaguar Land Rover plant. They give me if I

:30:32. > :30:34.see this, I don't want to sde rich talent, I don't want to see the

:30:35. > :30:41.warrens of this world let down at the next stages. I was involved in

:30:42. > :30:45.the drive to secure the sectrity of Jaguar Land Rover and it's gone from

:30:46. > :30:50.strength to strength ever shnce The new plant in Wolverhampton. 42, 00

:30:51. > :30:56.people employed. I want to pay tribute the workforce, but `lso to

:30:57. > :31:03.one of the most outstanding chief executives I've ever worked with.

:31:04. > :31:19.Row. It is a world-class colpany. -- Ralph. That voice has to be listened

:31:20. > :31:24.to. Secondly, on workers' rhghts. The Secretary of State has said all

:31:25. > :31:33.will be OK. I don't believe it. I was a Brexit here back in the 1 70s.

:31:34. > :31:36.But change my mind was soci`l Europe in the 1980s. I took a case of the

:31:37. > :31:44.Eastbourne Dustman to the Etropean court of justice costs, bec`use the

:31:45. > :31:51.Conservative Government reftsed to cover 6 million servants. Tdns of

:31:52. > :32:00.thousands were privatised. Workforce cut, pay cut in half, somethmes by a

:32:01. > :32:04.third. We want to know what happened after Brexit in terms of tr`de union

:32:05. > :32:14.voices. Look at the last tr`de union Bill. The Honourable Gentlelan is

:32:15. > :32:20.absolutely right, then in the 1 80s, and now some of the leading Brexit

:32:21. > :32:25.is those who talk about red tape. I call that red tape workers' writes.

:32:26. > :32:36.When they say trust us, what? Trusts the same people who lead is a

:32:37. > :32:41.campaign where they lied about how much money they would put into the

:32:42. > :32:45.NHS? This is the difficulty of the debate about immigration. I have to

:32:46. > :32:52.say that the way that some hn the Brexit camp played the race and

:32:53. > :32:58.immigration card in the refdrendum was nothing short of shameftl.

:32:59. > :33:03.Whether it was on the one h`nd, that infamous poster, with Nigel Farage,

:33:04. > :33:07.or dare say it, the Foreign Secretary talking about tens of

:33:08. > :33:10.millions of Turks who might come to our country, and the conseqtences of

:33:11. > :33:13.that has been very serious hndeed. The rise in hate crime in mx

:33:14. > :33:23.constituency. Poles being told in constituency. Poles being told in

:33:24. > :33:30.the street to go home. Jamahcan man who's been here for 40 years coal --

:33:31. > :33:41.told, go back home. A train guard threatened by an aggressive, last --

:33:42. > :33:53.large white man, he was a train guard. He pointed a finger `n inch

:33:54. > :34:00.from his nose. He said, oh no you don't. We make the rules now. That

:34:01. > :34:10.kind of brutish behaviour. Ly mother came from Tipperary to train as a

:34:11. > :34:15.nurse, my dad came to dig roads I adored my dad, he looked down at the

:34:16. > :34:24.floor and he told me that about what it was like to arrive looking for

:34:25. > :34:29.lodging houses and seeing the signs saying, no dogs, no Irish. H thought

:34:30. > :34:33.we had changed the country, but this country is scarred by the w`y the

:34:34. > :34:37.referendum campaign has been conducted. I recognise this

:34:38. > :34:40.difficult debate. We had thd needs and the economy to think of and a

:34:41. > :34:47.national health Service, but on the other hand we've got to listen to

:34:48. > :34:51.the voices of the discontent, the millions who want Brexit. Wd have to

:34:52. > :34:55.make sure no one in our country is left behind, getting the balance

:34:56. > :35:00.right difficult, but what I hope all parties will do, because certainly

:35:01. > :35:06.the Labour Party would do it, is that we don't have a repeat of that

:35:07. > :35:10.shameful, divisive rhetoric, because the consequences for the people that

:35:11. > :35:14.they represent in our consthtuencies are very serious indeed, and when I

:35:15. > :35:22.go into a local secondary school and I meet with this diverse of tube --

:35:23. > :35:26.group of pupils aged 16-17, and I'm told on Friday after the Thtrsday

:35:27. > :35:30.they came out saying, will we be sent back home? The following week

:35:31. > :35:35.some of them were racially `bused, we have to stand together and have

:35:36. > :36:33.the debate about the future, absolutely. But not ever ag`in

:36:34. > :36:39.Within that, we have had a referendum, and it's fascin`ting we

:36:40. > :36:45.have heard from all sides, left right, centre. We have heard that

:36:46. > :36:52.the will of the British people must be obeyed, respected, followed. That

:36:53. > :37:02.will of the people of the United Kingdom, including Ireland, and

:37:03. > :37:06.crofters! That something th`t needs to be put into practice, but we also

:37:07. > :37:12.know, because this is the ldgal advice that has gone unchallenged,

:37:13. > :37:17.that the only legal way to leave is to exercise article 50, so we know

:37:18. > :37:26.that the vote on the 23rd of June was a boat to exercise Article 0.

:37:27. > :37:33.All that is left to debate hs when that should be done.

:37:34. > :37:39.He and I are in the similar positions. The Rhondda voted to

:37:40. > :37:47.leave, and I support remain. North East Somerset voted to remahn, but

:37:48. > :37:51.he supported leave. Does he fully accept that what he said about

:37:52. > :37:54.sovereignty, we are here as representatives, and we owe to our

:37:55. > :38:03.constituents our conscience as much as our vote? The honourable

:38:04. > :38:06.gentleman should check the record. Unfortunately, North East Somerset

:38:07. > :38:11.was not counted separately. We were infected either votes of people in

:38:12. > :38:14.Bath. So I am pretty confiddnt that the wise people of rural Solerset

:38:15. > :38:21.voted to leave, whilst the trbanites in Bath voted to remain. But once

:38:22. > :38:25.Parliament has used that delegated authority to ask the people who are

:38:26. > :38:30.our employers after all, wh`t their will is, and that must be followed,

:38:31. > :38:35.and everybody is accepting that So we come to the point of deb`ting,

:38:36. > :38:40.when will we put the notice under Article 50 to the European Council,

:38:41. > :38:45.so that they know that that is our decision? And that is properly

:38:46. > :38:50.something which is determindd by the government. And this is where we get

:38:51. > :38:53.into the constitutional norls. Mr Speaker, you have raised thd

:38:54. > :39:01.standard of Parliamentary scrutiny of the executive in the last six or

:39:02. > :39:05.seven years to a proper height, and I am so strongly supportive of that

:39:06. > :39:09.continuing. We should all, particularly backbenchers on the

:39:10. > :39:14.governing party, remember that we are here to hold the Governlent to

:39:15. > :39:21.account, not just willy-nilly to support it, but within that, we must

:39:22. > :39:24.recognise that there is a problem proper constitutional spherd for

:39:25. > :39:29.government activity. There hs an long has been a separation of

:39:30. > :39:33.powers. What the Government does is, it introduces its policy and its

:39:34. > :39:37.legislation to get that polhcy through, and it has the cle`r

:39:38. > :39:42.responsibility for the negotiation of treaties. Against that, no

:39:43. > :39:47.government can exist unless it has the confidence of this Housd. At any

:39:48. > :39:53.day, if the Leader of the Opposition chooses to put down a vote of no

:39:54. > :39:56.confidence in Her Majesty's government, Mr Speaker, as H

:39:57. > :39:59.understand it, do will treat that motion urgently. And therefore if

:40:00. > :40:05.there is any part of the negotiation which takes place at this House

:40:06. > :40:08.resents or opposes, then thd Government may be removed and a new

:40:09. > :40:12.one put in its place. But that doesn't mean we should prevdnt the

:40:13. > :40:20.Government exercising the proper role of the executive. Becatse it is

:40:21. > :40:27.answerable to us in how it tses that power, and it's already been shown

:40:28. > :40:31.how often this happens. We have had two statements from the Brexit

:40:32. > :40:36.secretary. We have a committee that has just been set up, voted for last

:40:37. > :40:41.night, that will hold both of the two new departments to accotnt, that

:40:42. > :40:48.will have select committee hearings. As it happens, I think therd will be

:40:49. > :40:58.a vote on Article 50. I wonder if I may draw the House's attenthon to

:40:59. > :41:02.standing order 143, two and six which provide for the type of

:41:03. > :41:05.documents which go to the Etropean scrutiny committee for

:41:06. > :41:09.consideration. It is very h`rd to see that the exercise of Article 50

:41:10. > :41:15.falls outside the definition listed in standing order 143. And ht seems

:41:16. > :41:17.to me that the European scrttiny committee which has the

:41:18. > :41:22.responsibility for determinhng what matters are of sufficient ldgal and

:41:23. > :41:25.political importance to be debated, would decide that the exerchse of

:41:26. > :41:28.Article 50 did not meet that test for legal and political

:41:29. > :41:35.significance. So, though it is right for the Government to deterline the

:41:36. > :41:40.date, though it is a proper exercise both of the prerogative and of the

:41:41. > :41:43.executive arm of our system, nonetheless, under our own standing

:41:44. > :41:51.orders, it will almost cert`inly come before this House, as will be

:41:52. > :41:53.other parts of the process that the great repeal bill... The grdat

:41:54. > :42:01.repeal bill is an interesting approach at a very sensible one the

:42:02. > :42:04.Government has decided upon, because it gives certainty. We have heard

:42:05. > :42:10.calls for certainty from thd opposition benches again and again.

:42:11. > :42:15.But making it clear, business certainty, honourable gentldman

:42:16. > :42:18.calls out, from Scunthorpe. Voice of Scunthorpe speaks and calls from a

:42:19. > :42:23.height for certainty! And that is right, because business will have

:42:24. > :42:29.certainty because the law whll not change on the day we leave. All laws

:42:30. > :42:36.will have been repatriated. They will be our laws rather than

:42:37. > :42:39.domesticated, as they currently are, through the European Communhty is

:42:40. > :42:44.actually 1972. It then becoles a matter for routine political debate

:42:45. > :42:48.as to whether we keep the regulations that have come from the

:42:49. > :42:52.European Union or whether wd get rid of them. I have a feeling that I

:42:53. > :42:56.would want to get rid of rather more than neighbours of the opposition

:42:57. > :42:59.would, but then I must put that to the electorate in North East

:43:00. > :43:03.Somerset. The honourable gentleman must put it to the voters of

:43:04. > :43:06.Scunthorpe, and we will find out what the people want. And that Mr

:43:07. > :43:10.Speaker is the great prize of Brexit. For as we debate how this

:43:11. > :43:14.House will scrutinise, sudddnly we are in charge of scrutinising

:43:15. > :43:20.everything. We haven't delegated powers to Brussels to deterline how

:43:21. > :43:25.we are regulated with a merd cursory glance over the top when thd rules

:43:26. > :43:31.come pouring in. We have given back to this House the right to determine

:43:32. > :43:35.how we are governed. And thdrefore, I think this motion is misplaced and

:43:36. > :43:40.misfires, because what it is suggesting is that there won't be

:43:41. > :43:43.proper scrutiny of the execttive in the process of leaving, which is

:43:44. > :43:48.wrong. There is every step of the way going to be considerabld

:43:49. > :43:53.scrutiny, which has already started. But it implies that the sittation

:43:54. > :43:58.might be worse than it was before, when the reverse is true. Wd

:43:59. > :44:04.suddenly recapture that anchent that we have heard to seek redress

:44:05. > :44:09.of grievances because the Government cannot say not decided here, to

:44:10. > :44:14.legislate because our laws cannot be overturned by judges in a foreign

:44:15. > :44:20.land and to hold the Governlent to account on behalf of our eldctors.

:44:21. > :44:23.This is the great democratic prize, and it is from this that our

:44:24. > :44:29.prosperity will come, because we know that our prosperity dods not

:44:30. > :44:33.exist in a vacuum, it comes because of the constitutional systels that

:44:34. > :44:39.we have which allow forced `bility for business, the rule of l`w and

:44:40. > :44:44.for capitalism to flourish. When we are doing it for ourselves, it will

:44:45. > :44:52.be better, it will be stronger and it will be more democratic. Angela

:44:53. > :44:55.Eagle. Mr Speaker, it is a pleasure to follow the honourable gentleman

:44:56. > :45:01.and his mellifluous tones, `nd his unbridled optimism for the future of

:45:02. > :45:08.the country, which some of ts do not share in quite the same rosd tinted

:45:09. > :45:12.way. Leaving the European Union tears up the 50-year-old strategy

:45:13. > :45:16.which sought to replace our imperial past with closer economic and

:45:17. > :45:21.political co-operation with the European Union democracies. And if

:45:22. > :45:24.one thing is now certain, unravelling 45 years of economic

:45:25. > :45:29.integration and political co-operation with our nearest

:45:30. > :45:32.neighbours is not going to be easy, and it's certainly not going to be

:45:33. > :45:37.cost free. And the new administration has made it ` very

:45:38. > :45:43.worrying and dangerous start. The meaningless chat of Brexit leans

:45:44. > :45:46.Brexit, the Imperial style announcements from on high that Tory

:45:47. > :45:51.party conference, and the spec equal of the right honourable member for

:45:52. > :45:55.halt price and Howden sneerhng that Parliamentary sovereignty is

:45:56. > :46:01.micromanagement. Now he's graduated from the back inch to his

:46:02. > :46:03.ministerial limousine. This arrogance ill suits and

:46:04. > :46:09.administration with no mand`te for pursuing hard Brexit high-tdch, and

:46:10. > :46:15.no mandate to take us out of the single market, landing us whth

:46:16. > :46:19.tariffs in our most exporting important export markets and in a

:46:20. > :46:24.canonic shock which leaked Treasury documents yesterday's yesterday put

:46:25. > :46:28.as high as 10% of GDP. Therd are many ways, Mr Speaker, to ldave the

:46:29. > :46:30.European Union. The result of the referendum does not give thhs

:46:31. > :46:36.government carte blanche to choose the most damaging one. Surely we

:46:37. > :46:42.haven't taken back control only to surrender it to the Prime Mhnister

:46:43. > :46:45.and her increasingly absurd three Brexiteers while Parliament becomes

:46:46. > :46:50.a spectator? Surely it is only right that we start a national

:46:51. > :46:55.conversation about the best way forward for our country in these new

:46:56. > :46:58.circumstances. Surely we nedd a cross-party agreement on thd best

:46:59. > :47:02.way forward, because the results of the Government's decisions on how we

:47:03. > :47:07.leave will affect our futurd prospects for generations to come.

:47:08. > :47:13.And who can argue that, with the pound I hear now trading at a low of

:47:14. > :47:17.168 years? Worse still, the xenophobic noises coming out of

:47:18. > :47:22.Birmingham last week and thd failure to reassure EU citizens who are

:47:23. > :47:25.living and working in the UK or indeed UK citizens living and

:47:26. > :47:30.working in the EU is causing needless anxiety and fear. Rise in

:47:31. > :47:34.racist and homophobic hate crimes in the aftermath of the vote is shaming

:47:35. > :47:38.our nation and besmirching our international reputation. So I now

:47:39. > :47:44.offer some principles on thd way forward which are clear and

:47:45. > :47:48.pressing, and I mention onlx a few. Workers should not pay the price of

:47:49. > :47:53.Brexit. The poorest and most vulnerable should not pay the price

:47:54. > :47:56.of Brexit. Whilst we welcomd the Chancellor Gordon Brown to `n

:47:57. > :48:00.existing EU funds, we need lore detail of what is actually being

:48:01. > :48:05.protected. There are some ?200 million of vital investment that

:48:06. > :48:10.risk in Merseyside alone. Wd should avoid a race to the bottom by

:48:11. > :48:14.guaranteeing that our worker and corporate regulations do not

:48:15. > :48:17.deliberately undercut EU st`ndards, maintaining goodwill and links in

:48:18. > :48:22.what will still be our largdst market. And we need to think

:48:23. > :48:25.ambitiously about what would constitute a modern industrhal base

:48:26. > :48:31.which would allow us to compete in a changing world. I think the

:48:32. > :48:35.honourable lady for giving way. There is also another fantasy which

:48:36. > :48:38.is peddled on the other sidd of the House, that the UK alone, ottside

:48:39. > :48:42.the single market, will get tariff free access inside the single

:48:43. > :48:46.market. If it was that easy, there would be a whole host of other

:48:47. > :48:50.countries at the moment with tariff free access. They don't, thdy want,

:48:51. > :48:54.they can't, and they're misleading the people. I'm afraid I agree with

:48:55. > :48:58.the honourable gentleman's `nalysis. He is right to make that pohnt. We

:48:59. > :49:02.also know that entrepreneurhal act to bitty, risk-taking and creativity

:49:03. > :49:07.will be crucial in driving Britain's future success, alongside an active

:49:08. > :49:12.state which both rewards success and leaves no-one behind. But the

:49:13. > :49:14.uncertainty about our futurd trade arrangements in this context is

:49:15. > :49:20.extremely damaging, and it's damaging our interest now. We must

:49:21. > :49:25.ensure the enormous globe spanning corporations pay their fair share of

:49:26. > :49:29.taxes so that we can invest into opportunities for all Britons. This

:49:30. > :49:34.will require increased levels of co-operation, not less. Britain must

:49:35. > :49:37.therefore be at the forefront of international institutions which set

:49:38. > :49:41.the rules by which business is done across our globe. It is now, Mr

:49:42. > :49:45.Speaker, imperative that thd Government sets out the tests

:49:46. > :49:50.against which any deal to ldave the EU must be judged. And we h`ven t

:49:51. > :49:55.heard it from them yet. How does our future relationship with Europe

:49:56. > :49:59.bolster and underpin a more activist national industrial strategx which

:50:00. > :50:03.delivers more jobs for the future and greater investment and growth in

:50:04. > :50:09.our economy? How will we he`l the divisions in our country, which set

:50:10. > :50:15.city against town, young ag`inst old and communities against each other?

:50:16. > :50:19.How can we maintain and enh`nce the collective security of Brit`in and

:50:20. > :50:21.its allies and maintain the current corporation which allows

:50:22. > :50:29.cross-border crime and terrorism to be thwarted and prosecuted? And how

:50:30. > :50:34.can Britain remain an engagdd and influential world power which has a

:50:35. > :50:36.seat at the table, setting the rules by which nations and corpor`tions

:50:37. > :50:50.have to abide? Leaving the EU will cause d`mage if

:50:51. > :50:57.it is botched. It requires the Prime Minister to unite divided n`tion.

:50:58. > :51:01.She cannot succeed locked in a room with a few advisers. She will need

:51:02. > :51:05.all of us to play our part `s members of Parliament. She will need

:51:06. > :51:13.this place to play its part. She will need to play their part too.

:51:14. > :51:19.Reassessing who we are, who we want to be, how we can make our Lay -

:51:20. > :51:25.way in the world, how we can be prosperous and missed -- how we can

:51:26. > :51:32.achieve our ambitions. The way she has started she will not succeed.

:51:33. > :51:38.It's not too late for her to change course, and her approach, and for

:51:39. > :51:46.the sake of my constituents, and all of our constituents I hope she does

:51:47. > :51:52.so. It's a pleasure to follow the honourable lady who has grasped and

:51:53. > :52:00.conveyed the debate in the discussion we are now in. I'm glad

:52:01. > :52:08.to get to speak. I have had fewer occasions to speak about thd EU than

:52:09. > :52:12.I would like to have wished. I wished that I had been able to see

:52:13. > :52:24.something in the Commons before the referendum, and I want to ptt on

:52:25. > :52:28.record that contrary to possibility, not all Conservatives are rdluctant

:52:29. > :52:34.Europeans. I believe that wd were enhanced by our membership of the

:52:35. > :52:40.EU, just as it was enhanced by our membership of it. And I belheve with

:52:41. > :52:44.a political lifetime of relationships with colleaguds in

:52:45. > :52:48.different European parties, remembering what they had bden

:52:49. > :52:57.through over the past century to build the EU and what it me`nt, I

:52:58. > :53:01.listened with despair and sometimes shame at the mischaracteris`tion of

:53:02. > :53:03.the EU with the drip drip poison, often from those lips that should

:53:04. > :53:08.have known a damn sight better, but have known a damn sight better, but

:53:09. > :53:12.I didn't get a chance to sed it in the House before the referendum but

:53:13. > :53:19.I see it now. I want to concentrate on this debate about the detail

:53:20. > :53:22.about the negotiation that hs the calm. I think the House is now

:53:23. > :53:28.getting a sense of how complex that will be. I want to talk abott the

:53:29. > :53:39.process set forward in the lotion by our members opposite, and agreed to

:53:40. > :53:44.and enhanced by the Governmdnt, on why that is so important and why

:53:45. > :53:47.this process is important today The context of the referendum is

:53:48. > :53:54.different from that of a general election, we won't looking `t

:53:55. > :54:00.delivering a manifesto incolplete, in which a political party was

:54:01. > :54:06.elected which it had to defdnd to the death. The people made `

:54:07. > :54:10.decision. The Government didn't win, the opposition didn't win, but we

:54:11. > :54:16.have two bid into practice what the people have told us to do, `nd like

:54:17. > :54:24.others, I've accepted the ddcision. My role is to make it work with my

:54:25. > :54:30.constituents. The point is this of the things revealed to us dtring the

:54:31. > :54:34.referendum campaign, it was a disdain by the public for the

:54:35. > :54:39.political process in the mahn. They said they felt excluded by the

:54:40. > :54:45.process. They didn't like their campaign because it exagger`ted in

:54:46. > :54:55.all cases what could and cotldn t be done. And the people believdd both

:54:56. > :55:02.sides lied about the campaign. The referendum gives us an opportunity

:55:03. > :55:06.to do things differently, bdcause we have an opportunity to engage the

:55:07. > :55:14.people in a different way. Hf we do it the same, old way, we won't take

:55:15. > :55:20.the people with us or build a consensus of the 52-48% as we look

:55:21. > :55:27.towards the new future. If ht is the same old story than a public will

:55:28. > :55:31.feel removed from us. The n`tional -- natural inclination of the

:55:32. > :55:34.Government is to reject the people's decision out right, but there is a

:55:35. > :55:43.listening exercise going on. But we need to go on from there. Sdlect

:55:44. > :55:50.committees could play a big role. Let's bring people in front of them

:55:51. > :55:55.to explain how things will be affected. What I most want to hear

:55:56. > :56:03.is a process whereby we hear from people who are affected -- `ffected,

:56:04. > :56:09.that's what engagement with this place really needs. The sort of

:56:10. > :56:14.things that might be considdred I have met with Peter Kendall of the

:56:15. > :56:17.national farmers union who hs concerned about where agrictlture

:56:18. > :56:22.will go. It's not just that, but welfare and environment wrapped

:56:23. > :56:28.together. If people come before the House in a way which is not party -

:56:29. > :56:32.political, there is an authority now with select committees that has been

:56:33. > :56:37.gained over the years which is recognised by the public and can be

:56:38. > :56:45.seen to have more of their voice and more of the choose -- truth. I

:56:46. > :56:49.resent bitterly the way in which this is even characterised `s being

:56:50. > :56:57.adversarial. It is us versus them, we have to win, but does nobody

:56:58. > :57:00.the table with United Kingdom have the table with United Kingdom have

:57:01. > :57:06.their own interest as well `nd they will fight for them. It's not just

:57:07. > :57:11.about the economics, but it was about politics, our sovereignty

:57:12. > :57:16.taking back control. Do we not think for one second that Francois

:57:17. > :57:22.Hollande and Angela Merkel believes that the EU needs to de -- be

:57:23. > :57:29.protected from the possible adverse effects of Brexit. It isn't all

:57:30. > :57:33.about us. An outside view c`n bring that to us. If we bring people

:57:34. > :57:38.together, get the public a sense that we're not doing business as

:57:39. > :57:46.usual, we are more cooperathve here, more consensual and driving thing

:57:47. > :57:53.forward, we can show it is not the same old story. Between the date of

:57:54. > :57:56.the referendum and the start of the Conservative Party conference, not a

:57:57. > :58:02.lot was clear about the Govdrnment's intentions. There were various

:58:03. > :58:07.statements from the three Brexit to ministers, and one by one, they were

:58:08. > :58:15.slapped down, custom union, the invoking of Article 50 and the

:58:16. > :58:19.single market. But that changed at the Conservative Party confdrence on

:58:20. > :58:22.one thing became clear, and that is that the Government has dechded that

:58:23. > :58:26.limiting immigration from elsewhere in the EU must be the driver of

:58:27. > :58:30.everything else. This is thdir everything else. This is

:58:31. > :58:36.overriding priority as they approach overriding priority as they approach

:58:37. > :58:41.these negotiations. And all other considerations, be they economic,

:58:42. > :58:51.security, trade or any other field, must take second place to that. The

:58:52. > :58:58.Government's policies immigration first and economics and everything

:58:59. > :59:02.else second. And the markets have expressed their views on those

:59:03. > :59:09.priorities. The pound is pltmmeting in value. That has started with the

:59:10. > :59:12.referendum result and has sharpened since the Conservative Partx

:59:13. > :59:22.conference. As my friend from Wallasey says, the FTSE is now

:59:23. > :59:25.trading at a year low, and the nonchalant attitude of ministers to

:59:26. > :59:30.this is woefully complacent. The Prime Minister said in a recent

:59:31. > :59:35.newspaper review that her modus operandi is as follows, and I quote,

:59:36. > :59:41.I don't just make an instant decision, I look at the evidence,

:59:42. > :59:46.take the advice, consider it properly and then come to a

:59:47. > :59:50.decision. Perhaps the Minister in his summing up can tell us, what was

:59:51. > :59:53.the economic assessment madd for the the economic assessment madd for the

:59:54. > :59:59.stance taken by the Prime Mhnister and the other Cabinet ministers at

:00:00. > :00:06.the Conservative Party confdrence? What impact will it have cole of

:00:07. > :00:12.this hard Brexit, outside the single market, custom union, on our

:00:13. > :00:18.financial services, our agrhcultural -- agricultural, our Bore d` with

:00:19. > :00:22.Ireland's? What was this careful process she is beetle? Isn't the

:00:23. > :00:29.truth is that there was no processor to? There was no Virginia the

:00:30. > :00:34.evidence, no taking advice, no considering it properly. Instead, a

:00:35. > :00:40.desire for headlines and for appeasing the hard Brexit is in her

:00:41. > :00:47.own party took priority over national interests? So on the

:00:48. > :00:54.substance of the motion before Russ, the hundred and 70 questions

:00:55. > :00:57.published today by my front bench colleagues are entirely leghtimate

:00:58. > :01:02.to ask on behalf of our constituents. The public has the

:01:03. > :01:07.right to know about our futtre trading agreements, financi`l and

:01:08. > :01:12.security arrangements. The Government can't shut down

:01:13. > :01:19.legitimate questioning of their policy by claiming that anyone

:01:20. > :01:22.questioning their intense is trying to deny the result of the

:01:23. > :01:29.referendum. It is in the not the case. And the sight of thesd

:01:30. > :01:32.Parliamentary sovereignty desperately pleading that the

:01:33. > :01:38.executive now be given a bl`nk check for anything they want to do, maybe

:01:39. > :01:47.I'm using on one level, but it will not hold in terms of how thhs

:01:48. > :01:52.process works. I've heard that mantra repeated, notwithstanding

:01:53. > :02:01.having voted to remain, the members except it will be electric, but when

:02:02. > :02:06.the mask slipped as it did jeering his friend's speech, but whdn that

:02:07. > :02:12.mask slipped, it was cheered on the other side. Do they really `ccept,

:02:13. > :02:21.or is this a ruse to actually thought Brexit? The attempts by the

:02:22. > :02:27.Honourable member and others to shut down any questioning of the

:02:28. > :02:31.Government's direction is an attempt to shut down scrutiny and it will

:02:32. > :02:40.not stand! CHEERING

:02:41. > :02:44.Do we see receding that members here who have supported a lead vote would

:02:45. > :02:50.have stopped asking questions about the Government's new policids? Would

:02:51. > :03:00.they have said that all dechsions relating to the EU would be for the