:00:00. > :00:00.houses of parliament at 11pl tonight. First, it's questions to
:00:00. > :00:13.Philip Hammond and his team of Treasury ministers.
:00:14. > :00:26.Order, order. Questions to the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Number
:00:27. > :00:29.one, Mr Speaker. Creating a economy which works were all is a kdy
:00:30. > :00:34.priority of this Government. All regions are benefiting from the 12
:00:35. > :00:39.by the impact local growth funds, and our industrial strategy will
:00:40. > :00:43.this growth across the UK. Devolution deals will get areas the
:00:44. > :00:49.tools they need to make the right economic decisions. We're stpporting
:00:50. > :00:52.the Northern Powerhouse and Midlands Engine, and investing over ?100
:00:53. > :00:56.billion in infrastructure over the course of this Parliament across the
:00:57. > :01:01.UK. I'm encouraged by the chartdred s
:01:02. > :01:04.reply, but there is always the feeling in Northern Lincolnshire
:01:05. > :01:07.that we are peripheral from the northern para House and there is too
:01:08. > :01:15.much focus on Leeds and Manchester. Did the Government is sure ts that
:01:16. > :01:19.we are part of the scheme, `nd that regeneration projects in progress,
:01:20. > :01:24.had the chance one of its tdam agreed to make a delegation from
:01:25. > :01:26.north Lincolnshire separates you those?
:01:27. > :01:32.I can reassure my honourabld friend that that is not the case. Northeast
:01:33. > :01:37.Lincolnshire is a much a focus of the Government's attention. We have
:01:38. > :01:42.agreed deals with the Humber Local Enterprise Partnership, with ?1 0
:01:43. > :01:44.million. This includes support for a regeneration programme for the
:01:45. > :01:49.centre of Cleethorpes, as mx honourable friend will know. One of
:01:50. > :01:55.my ministerial team will be very happy to meet with him and his
:01:56. > :01:59.council colleagues. The floods in Yorkshire including in
:02:00. > :02:03.Leeds last Boxing Day cause devastation and many businesses
:02:04. > :02:07.still have not reopened. Wh`t conversations as the charts are
:02:08. > :02:10.having with insurance companies who have restricted cover, incrdased
:02:11. > :02:14.premiums and put up excesses, risking creating a ghost towns in
:02:15. > :02:21.many of our communities and risking jobs too?
:02:22. > :02:26.This is a matter on which the Minister for the Cabinet Office in
:02:27. > :02:29.Leeds, but I have some understanding of the issues as my own constituency
:02:30. > :02:34.were subject to serious flooding in 2014. I will talk to my right
:02:35. > :02:39.honourable friend, the Minister for the Cabinet Office and make him
:02:40. > :02:46.aware of the concerns laid out. Can I thank your for allowing not
:02:47. > :02:51.into takeover parliament today? I'm sure my right honourable frhend the
:02:52. > :02:54.Chancellor knows the benefits of the East Midlands because he usdd to
:02:55. > :02:58.work in Nottingham. I'm surd he also believes in the value of
:02:59. > :03:02.infrastructure projects. And I ask whether he's minded at all, as it
:03:03. > :03:10.prepares the Autumn Statement, to bring Ford HS2, making sure the
:03:11. > :03:13.Midlands hub, and also the `lleged location of the East Midlands Main
:03:14. > :03:18.line, all of which will bendfit Nottinghamshire?
:03:19. > :03:20.I thank my honourable friend for her question, indeed, Nottinghalshire is
:03:21. > :03:25.a part of the country I know well and have a great deal of affection
:03:26. > :03:29.for. The Government is completely seized of the need for
:03:30. > :03:34.infrastructure investment to support for the activity performancd of our
:03:35. > :03:37.economy. My right honourabld friend, the Transport Secretary, will be
:03:38. > :03:43.looking at the priority to be afforded to specific projects, and
:03:44. > :03:46.will make statements in due course. Given that the East Midlands and the
:03:47. > :03:53.West Midlands together could generate significant growth for our
:03:54. > :03:57.economy if it got there eyed road, rail and skills infrastructtre, will
:03:58. > :04:00.he acknowledge that, given ht is not a game in Parliament day-to,day
:04:01. > :04:08.that the Autumn Statement rdally should be bringing forward those
:04:09. > :04:12.ambitions in the Midlands Engine? The Government is committed to the
:04:13. > :04:15.Midlands Engine, and the honourable gentleman is absolutely right that
:04:16. > :04:21.the Midlands conurbation ovdrall has a weight of population and dconomic
:04:22. > :04:27.activity that allows it to be a rival to the hub of London `nd the
:04:28. > :04:30.South East. As I said to my honourable friend a minute `go,
:04:31. > :04:35.announcements about specific projects will be made in dud course
:04:36. > :04:39.by the relevant extra in a relevant departmental minister.
:04:40. > :04:43.One of the most important w`ys the Chancellor could boost economic
:04:44. > :04:49.growth outside of London and this at least pays is to energise slall
:04:50. > :04:52.business. I wonder if on th`t basis he would consider reviewing the
:04:53. > :04:55.small business enterprise scheme in the hope that he might supervise it
:04:56. > :05:03.or we could see a wall of private cash invested in small businesses?
:05:04. > :05:10.My friend is right, ensuring the right amount of funding in start-up
:05:11. > :05:15.enterprises is key to the ftture of our economy. I can assure hhm that
:05:16. > :05:19.all schemes, taxes and other such structures will be reviewed in the
:05:20. > :05:26.run-up to the Autumn Statemdnt, and I will let him know on Novelber 23
:05:27. > :05:29.my conclusions. Is the Chancellor of Excheqter aware
:05:30. > :05:38.that his predecessor introdtced a scheme that was raised upon robbing
:05:39. > :05:41.the Derbyshire County Counchl of ?155 million in cuts, and then
:05:42. > :05:47.promising to give them less than 20% of that money back? No wonddr the
:05:48. > :05:51.people in Bolsover marketpl`ce, they don't call it the Northern
:05:52. > :05:58.Powerhouse, it's the Northern Powerhouse.
:05:59. > :06:04.I know my right honourable friend will be wanting to look at the
:06:05. > :06:09.allocation of funding to local authorities, including Derbxshire
:06:10. > :06:13.County Council. As he will know there are many powerful advocate for
:06:14. > :06:18.Derbyshire on both sides of this House.
:06:19. > :06:22.I wish the honourable gentldman a speedy recovery, he can ask his
:06:23. > :06:25.question from his seat. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The
:06:26. > :06:31.Chancellor be aware that thd East Midlands has a trade surplus with
:06:32. > :06:37.China thanks to manufacturing interests in the area. Past
:06:38. > :06:41.chancellors have been keen to trumpet business interest in the
:06:42. > :06:48.Northern Powerhouse, would this help to turn the Colts in the middle and
:06:49. > :06:51.engine with future visits? Indeed, I well, it is an important
:06:52. > :06:55.part in the role of chancellors to act as a champion for busindsses in
:06:56. > :07:00.the North and the Midlands. Digest draw attention to inward investors
:07:01. > :07:05.like the Chinese, like the Hndians - who are of course already hdavily
:07:06. > :07:10.invested in the East Midlands - to opportunities exist in the TK beyond
:07:11. > :07:13.London and the South East, which are sometimes not so obvious to foreign
:07:14. > :07:20.investors as those that exist in London.
:07:21. > :07:24.In order to boost growth outside of London and they said these place,
:07:25. > :07:28.there should be a focus on manufacturing and its assochated
:07:29. > :07:38.innovation research and devdlopment. The UK's record on RND development
:07:39. > :07:41.is lamentable competitor competitors. But they Chancdllor
:07:42. > :07:49.take the committee to reverse the Autumn Statement and confirl funding
:07:50. > :07:52.for grants and loans? We've supported ?22 billion of
:07:53. > :07:57.research and about meant spdnding through the tax credit spending
:07:58. > :08:04.examine microsystem. The right honourable gentleman is correct
:08:05. > :08:09.the... Aaron Best meant in research and is considerably less th`n many
:08:10. > :08:13.of our principal competitors. I can promise him we are acutely `ware of
:08:14. > :08:19.this challenge, and I will `ddress that challenge the Autumn Statement.
:08:20. > :08:25.I take that as revealed good news story some point to come. In order
:08:26. > :08:29.to boost growth we need to take export more seriously, incltding to
:08:30. > :08:35.the EU, given our teeth bal`nce has gone into reverse over the past two
:08:36. > :08:39.years. -- trade balance. In order to reflect that, what efforts hs the
:08:40. > :08:44.Chancellor making to roll ott a hard Brexit, with visas, tariff barriers,
:08:45. > :08:48.and enter the customs union - all of which the Treasury themselvds say
:08:49. > :08:57.could lead still laws of 66 billion of revenue, a reduction... Could
:08:58. > :09:02.possibly lead to the reducthon of half a million jobs.
:09:03. > :09:07.I know the SNP doesn't like a good news story, and I'm sure thd
:09:08. > :09:12.gentlemen will be able to think of a suitable response by Novembdr 2 in
:09:13. > :09:16.case is one on that day. On the wider issue of managing Britain s
:09:17. > :09:19.exit from the European Union, the Prime Minister has been verx clear,
:09:20. > :09:23.we understand the instructions we have received from the Brithsh
:09:24. > :09:29.people, and within our obligation to deliver those, we will seek to get
:09:30. > :09:32.the very best deal we can whth the European Union that maximisds the
:09:33. > :09:36.amount of trade and goods and services between our companhes and
:09:37. > :09:42.the markets of the European Union and European companies and the UK
:09:43. > :09:46.market. Financial services are one of the
:09:47. > :09:53.sectors most exposed to Brexit, but it's not just jobs in the fhnancial
:09:54. > :09:58.sector which area at risk in London, it is Edinburgh, Manchester and
:09:59. > :10:02.beyond. The responses so far happy incoherence, firms need reassurances
:10:03. > :10:07.they will get compatible access to the single market and the ability to
:10:08. > :10:11.maintain EU National work for them. With the Chancellor finally bit the
:10:12. > :10:17.end to his Government's chaos and promised to deliver both today?
:10:18. > :10:20.He is right to identify fin`ncial services as one of the areas
:10:21. > :10:25.particular date concerned about the way in which the exit from the
:10:26. > :10:28.European Union is managed, because the industry is particularlx
:10:29. > :10:33.dependent upon the passporthng resume which is in place. Hd is also
:10:34. > :10:39.right to draw attention to the often overlooked fact that 75% financial
:10:40. > :10:44.services jobs are outside London. This is an important, UK-wide
:10:45. > :10:49.industry. But on the specifhc point that he makes, I certainly have been
:10:50. > :10:54.seeking to reassure financi`l services businesses that we will put
:10:55. > :10:58.at their unease at the heart of our negotiation with the Europe`n Union.
:10:59. > :11:03.We understand their needs m`rket access. We also understand their
:11:04. > :11:07.needs to be able to engage the right skilled people. I said on the record
:11:08. > :11:11.and am happy to say again today that I do not believe that concerns the
:11:12. > :11:14.British people have expressdd about migration from the European Union
:11:15. > :11:21.relate to people with high skills and high pay. The problem that
:11:22. > :11:26.people are concerned about hs people taking entry-level jobs, and I see
:11:27. > :11:30.no likelihood that we will tse powers to control migration into the
:11:31. > :11:31.UK to prevent companies bringing highly skilled, highly paid workers
:11:32. > :11:41.hair. Mr Speaker, with your permission, if
:11:42. > :11:46.I could answer the question with question number four, in negotiating
:11:47. > :11:51.double taxation treaties thd UK objective is to reach an agreement
:11:52. > :11:59.that allocates taxing rights on the basis acceptable to both cotntries.
:12:00. > :12:02.Restrictive tract treaties hnhibit the ability of developing countries
:12:03. > :12:05.to spend money on things like schools and education and rdsearch
:12:06. > :12:09.shows along with Italy, the UK has the highest number of these, so is
:12:10. > :12:13.the minister willing to work with the Department for Internathonal
:12:14. > :12:20.Development to try and change that? I would disagree with the honourable
:12:21. > :12:23.gentleman. I think, in fact, the double taxation treaties actually
:12:24. > :12:27.help developing countries. They can remove uncertainty about thd way
:12:28. > :12:30.businesses might choose to lake investment and they can open up the
:12:31. > :12:36.route for fairer and more open trade. The majority of the TK double
:12:37. > :12:42.taxation treaties are based on the OCD model of taxation prevention and
:12:43. > :12:50.we work closely with countrhes to find a mutually acceptable treaty.
:12:51. > :12:56.Can the Minister tell us wh`t plans she has to carry out assesslents of
:12:57. > :12:59.the impact that the UK tax treaty has on developing countries? And if
:13:00. > :13:04.her department will offer poorer countries the opportunity to
:13:05. > :13:12.renegotiate treaties that do not do enough to support their devdlopment?
:13:13. > :13:17.As I said before, there is ` rolling programme of renegotiation to make
:13:18. > :13:20.sure that treaties reflect lodern standards, but more broadly, the UK
:13:21. > :13:26.has a proud record in terms of capacity building in this area and
:13:27. > :13:29.we lead international efforts to support developing countries in tax
:13:30. > :13:35.capacity building. One example is the differential id funds, `nd the
:13:36. > :13:42.OECD providing technical assistance to partner countries, so we can be
:13:43. > :13:46.proud of the record. In negotiation double tax treaties we are
:13:47. > :13:49.developing -- with developing an advanced nations will you look at
:13:50. > :13:54.the transport provisions so we can broaden the tax base and stop the
:13:55. > :13:58.likes of Apple, Amazon and Google gaining taxes from us. The TK is
:13:59. > :14:04.committed to make sure that UK companies pay a fair share of tax in
:14:05. > :14:08.the countries they are oper`ting in. In terms of the wider international
:14:09. > :14:11.tax fairness I reiterate th`t the UK has taken a very strong stands
:14:12. > :14:14.across the board on a number of issues but I'm always happy to speak
:14:15. > :14:18.to my honourable friend abott the issue because I know he is very
:14:19. > :14:25.expert and we would welcome his views on these issues.
:14:26. > :14:29.The government has taken stdps to maintain a world-class business
:14:30. > :14:34.environment that helps UK manufacturers thrive and it's why we
:14:35. > :14:40.have cut corporation tax from 2 % down to 20% and it will fall further
:14:41. > :14:44.to 17% and why we have supported ?22 billion of R and D through tax
:14:45. > :14:50.credits, which helps the manufacturers to grow as innovative,
:14:51. > :14:54.competitive countries. I welcome the response, but what message hs he
:14:55. > :14:57.sending to international manufacturing companies with
:14:58. > :15:01.operations in Britain about this country's future international
:15:02. > :15:07.competitiveness as we leave the European Union? Our message is
:15:08. > :15:11.straightforward. Britain is open for business, as the Prime Minister
:15:12. > :15:17.said, and we will continue to be a confident, outward looking country.
:15:18. > :15:24.Manufacturing for the long term depends on investment, long,term
:15:25. > :15:29.investment. What assessment has the Minister made of the impact of us
:15:30. > :15:35.potentially leaving the European investment bank, and what progress
:15:36. > :15:41.has there been, and any discussions about us maintaining our st`te? In
:15:42. > :15:48.terms of the European investment bank, we are in discussions with
:15:49. > :15:51.them. Will he agree with me that reducing anti-competitive m`rket
:15:52. > :15:54.distortions is both a great physical way to promote manufacturing and to
:15:55. > :16:02.ensure the country's best place for new trade deals? -- Best pl`ced I
:16:03. > :16:07.agree that removing distorthons in the economy will result in ` more
:16:08. > :16:10.efficient economy and the UK Government has a record of doing
:16:11. > :16:16.that by release -- reducing corporation tax, for exampld. Apart
:16:17. > :16:19.from lowering corporation t`x in Northern Ireland, what other steps
:16:20. > :16:24.will the Chancellor and his ministerial team take to incentivise
:16:25. > :16:31.manufacturing in northern -, Northern Ireland? I do think in
:16:32. > :16:34.terms of freedom for Northern Ireland to set its corporathon tax
:16:35. > :16:39.rate is an important measurd in itself and we look forward to
:16:40. > :16:42.further progress on that. Of course, there will be in Autumn Statement
:16:43. > :16:50.next month whether government will set out its economic policy but as a
:16:51. > :16:54.government, we mentioned corporation tax and tax credits that were made
:16:55. > :16:56.more generous, these are all measures that have helped
:16:57. > :17:01.manufacturing businesses in Northern Ireland and elsewhere. Whild I
:17:02. > :17:04.welcome the ongoing commitmdnt to the northern powerhouse and
:17:05. > :17:09.manufacturing in my constittency and the department allocated funds for
:17:10. > :17:14.the Hub growth, but does thd Minister agree those investlent must
:17:15. > :17:19.seek maximum economic benefht in the current proposal will take `n
:17:20. > :17:28.existing pinch point down the road if we do not seek the chewing up of
:17:29. > :17:34.the carriageway down the a 64? Extremely tangential, so meriting an
:17:35. > :17:37.pithy response. I will look forward to examining the case for dtelling
:17:38. > :17:45.that road and the benefit that that will provide. Last month thd
:17:46. > :17:50.Chancellor proudly dismissed his predecessor's plans to cut
:17:51. > :17:55.corporation tax to 15%, but this week however we hear of plans
:17:56. > :18:02.hatched by senior government figures to cut corporation tax as low as 10%
:18:03. > :18:07.as part of a so-called Brexht nuclear option. This is despite the
:18:08. > :18:10.British Chambers of commercd and the Institute of directors stathng that
:18:11. > :18:15.cutting corporation tax would not be at the top of their wish list. Can
:18:16. > :18:20.the minister put an end to his government's reign of chaos and
:18:21. > :18:23.confirmed today what his long-term position is on corporation tax so
:18:24. > :18:31.that businesses have the st`bility they deserve? I'm not sure hf I was
:18:32. > :18:40.a labour frontbencher I would use the phrase reign of chaos. But let
:18:41. > :18:45.me just be very clear. The TK Government has rightly reduced
:18:46. > :18:49.corporation tax from 28% to 20% and we are legislating down to 07%. If
:18:50. > :18:54.there are any further announcements, that will be in a fiscal evdnt like
:18:55. > :19:00.the Autumn Statement or budget. I'm afraid that the other mental chaos
:19:01. > :19:05.we have seen on corporation tax is sadly replicated in terms of
:19:06. > :19:08.investment. The Chancellor promised to terror the previous budgdt and
:19:09. > :19:15.develop an industrial stratdgy before denying he was plannhng a
:19:16. > :19:18.spending splurge. A recent poll showed that almost two thirds of
:19:19. > :19:22.Britons agreed that the country is not doing enough to meet its
:19:23. > :19:26.infrastructure needs and we on this side agree. Can the Minister and his
:19:27. > :19:31.government 's chaotic record on investment and confirm how luch he
:19:32. > :19:37.plans to invest in infrastrtcture, and on what, and where will he get
:19:38. > :19:42.the money from? Can I just point out on the subject of corporation tax it
:19:43. > :19:46.wasn't that many months ago that on one day the Shadow Chancellor
:19:47. > :19:52.condemned the reduction down to 17% whilst the Labour Party comlittee
:19:53. > :19:55.voted for it. Can I also just be clear that in terms of
:19:56. > :20:02.infrastructure it's no good coming forward with incredible plans to
:20:03. > :20:05.spend 500 billion plan -- ?400 billion without any idea as to how
:20:06. > :20:10.it will be paid. The Chancellor will make a statement on the 23rd of
:20:11. > :20:14.November in terms of the policy on this, but to have some credhbility
:20:15. > :20:19.the Labour Party really need to change tack.
:20:20. > :20:26.The ?4.4 billion priority school building programme was established
:20:27. > :20:30.to rebuild or refurbish those school buildings in the worst condhtion
:20:31. > :20:34.across the country and the programme second phase was announced hn May
:20:35. > :20:38.2014 and feasibility studies are being carried out. In addithon we
:20:39. > :20:44.are allocating ?4.2 billion across 2015 up to 20 18, two local
:20:45. > :20:49.authorities, Academy trusts and partnerships maintaining thdir
:20:50. > :20:53.schools. I'd like to thank ly right honourable friend for his rdply but
:20:54. > :21:02.one high school in my consthtuency has been top priority for a rebuild.
:21:03. > :21:06.Can I ask my honourable fridnd that he looks at this carefully so we can
:21:07. > :21:13.finally give the pupils of the high school the school they deserve? I
:21:14. > :21:16.thank the honourable friend for his question. I understand his
:21:17. > :21:19.constituents disappointment that the school was not successful in its
:21:20. > :21:27.application to the priority building programme. We do need to prhoritise
:21:28. > :21:30.schools in the very worst conditions. I understand thd school
:21:31. > :21:35.buildings are receiving invdstment through the local authority and I
:21:36. > :21:37.understand they will have competing priorities for capital resotrces but
:21:38. > :21:45.I'm sure my honourable friend will be continuing to make the c`se for
:21:46. > :21:51.the school. With ?180 million spend it on phase one, will the government
:21:52. > :21:55.be tempted to back fill with second-rate PFI buildings, `nd what
:21:56. > :22:00.role will it have this programme? In terms of the record on school
:22:01. > :22:04.building, let me address th`t point. We have spent ?18 billion shnce 2010
:22:05. > :22:09.on the school estates and wd are committed to a further ?23 billion
:22:10. > :22:14.so pupils can be taught in facilities fit for the 21st century.
:22:15. > :22:16.Of course, we want to make sure that this is funded at the most
:22:17. > :22:25.appropriate value for money and sustainable way. With permission, I
:22:26. > :22:30.will answer this question together with questions seven, 12 and 14
:22:31. > :22:34.World-class infrastructure hs central to raising our country's
:22:35. > :22:38.productivity and around 3000 infrastructure projects havd been
:22:39. > :22:46.delivered across the UK since 2 10 with another 600 projects worth over
:22:47. > :22:49.?480 billion in the pipelind. We are investing over ?13 billion hn
:22:50. > :22:52.transport across the North, 5 billion in the Midlands and
:22:53. > :22:56.nationwide we are making thd largest investment in roads across the UK in
:22:57. > :23:02.a generation and rail is experiencing a level of invdstment
:23:03. > :23:05.not seen since Victorian tiles. I thank the Chancellor for thd answer.
:23:06. > :23:11.Can he ensure that the lower Thames crossing option preferred bx the
:23:12. > :23:15.highways agency quickly and speedily taken forward, which will enhance
:23:16. > :23:18.the investment in Medway and the whole of the Thames Gateway area in
:23:19. > :23:23.facilitating house-building and encouraging business growth and
:23:24. > :23:28.supporting existing infrastructure in the Kent area? I commend my
:23:29. > :23:31.honourable friend for the w`y he has campaigned on the issue and we
:23:32. > :23:34.recognise the importance of this crossing for supporting the economy
:23:35. > :23:40.on both sides of the Thames, particularly given the constrained
:23:41. > :23:42.capacity at Dartford. It will produce significant benefits
:23:43. > :23:46.locally, regionally and nathonally and the government will be laking a
:23:47. > :23:52.decision on the location and root in due course. Conservative controlled
:23:53. > :23:55.Southend Council were very disappointed they were unsuccessful
:23:56. > :23:58.in their bid to the coastal communities fund. Would my right
:23:59. > :24:04.honourable friend agreed to meet myself, the leader of the council,
:24:05. > :24:07.and others, so we might share with him why we do need investment in
:24:08. > :24:13.infrastructure, particularlx as Southend is the alternative city of
:24:14. > :24:15.culture next year. Well Mr Speaker, my honourable friend makes ` good
:24:16. > :24:22.point. The government recognises the ongoing growth potential of
:24:23. > :24:24.Southend. The government's substantial investment that includes
:24:25. > :24:30.over ?40 million through thd south-east growth deal and the 014
:24:31. > :24:32.city deal. The government announced last year that the coastal
:24:33. > :24:36.communities fund would be extended over this Parliament, at le`st
:24:37. > :24:40.another ?90 million of further funding is available to prolote
:24:41. > :24:44.sustainable economic growth and jobs within the UK's coastal comlunities
:24:45. > :24:50.and I would strongly encour`ge Southend Borough Council to apply to
:24:51. > :24:59.this funding. We welcome yotr comments on the infrastructtre,
:25:00. > :25:03.would he now commit to workhng with us all to secure the funding for the
:25:04. > :25:06.duelling of the Eastern byp`ss around my constituency of Lhncoln
:25:07. > :25:10.which will greatly support not only the development of the city, but
:25:11. > :25:14.also the whole of greater Lincolnshire. I recognise mx
:25:15. > :25:17.honourable friend's commitmdnt to his preferred version of thd
:25:18. > :25:23.project. Funding has been m`de available for the provision of the
:25:24. > :25:28.Lincoln Eastern bypass. In the county council's preferred version,
:25:29. > :25:32.a single carriageway road, `nd as my honourable friend will know, the
:25:33. > :25:36.county council is not in favour of restarting the process from scratch
:25:37. > :25:40.and introducing further del`ys, so I cannot, I'm afraid, give hil any
:25:41. > :25:46.confidence that additional funding will be made available to adopt a
:25:47. > :25:50.dualling solution. I was pldased that in the last budget statement
:25:51. > :25:56.the previous Chancellor announced the new Thames Street 2015 growth
:25:57. > :25:59.commission to focus on delivering essential infrastructure, and
:26:00. > :26:03.development for this crucial region. Could I ask my right honour`ble
:26:04. > :26:04.friend for assurances that this commission, led by Lord Hesdltine,
:26:05. > :26:14.will continue to be I'm Brad my honourable friend has
:26:15. > :26:21.raised this point. The tens S3 growth commission has been `sked to
:26:22. > :26:26.raise an ambitious plan and for the area. I'm grateful to Lord Heseltine
:26:27. > :26:29.and his commissioners for bringing this report. I look forward to
:26:30. > :26:34.receiving the interim report ahead of the budget next year when I will
:26:35. > :26:37.give a response to it. When the Chancellor came to the
:26:38. > :26:43.Treasury Select Committee l`st week, he was unsure as to whether or not
:26:44. > :26:47.they were doing analysis by region of the effect of leaving thd
:26:48. > :26:51.European Union. He's had a week to find out, could you give thd House
:26:52. > :26:55.the answer, please? I think if the honourable l`dy
:26:56. > :26:59.checks a video she will find I was not unsure, I was advising lyself
:27:00. > :27:05.service colleague that I understood we were doing such regional
:27:06. > :27:09.analysis. It is the case at we're doing regional analysis, and that
:27:10. > :27:14.will help to inform the prilers to's negotiation strategy.
:27:15. > :27:20.With the Chancellor agree whth me that energy efficiency should be a
:27:21. > :27:24.priority for development nationally and regionally. Would he consider
:27:25. > :27:29.that proceeds of the Shell gas sovereign wealth fund should be at
:27:30. > :27:38.her efficiency measures so that we can encourage innovation?
:27:39. > :27:42.I'm not necessarily an favotr of earmarking hypothetical funds for
:27:43. > :27:45.that purpose, but I do think the honourable lady makes an important
:27:46. > :27:50.point is, we have a serious challenge over energy capachty in
:27:51. > :27:56.this country over the next 20 years, and we're going to have to hnvest
:27:57. > :28:03.large sums of money, and allost ?100 billion, just ensure the lights stay
:28:04. > :28:09.on. Of course it makes sensd to reduce energy demand through
:28:10. > :28:17.conservation measures, alongside existing measures.
:28:18. > :28:19.Last week, the infrastructure measure in the Northern Ireland
:28:20. > :28:24.Executive announced a major infrastructure projects in Belfast
:28:25. > :28:29.with beats stopped because ht's unlikely to be stopped before the
:28:30. > :28:35.end of the period when we ldave the map, and their four funding would be
:28:36. > :28:39.lost. That the minister let us know, has the infrastructure Minister had
:28:40. > :28:43.any discussions with him about this project, and Kenny gave asstrance to
:28:44. > :28:48.the Northern Ireland Executhve that any project started before we leave
:28:49. > :28:54.the EU weather is a funding gap will be bridged by the Treasury?
:28:55. > :28:58.I'm not aware of the project he refers to, as virus I'm where the
:28:59. > :29:02.Northern Ireland Executive have not been in touch with the Treasury We
:29:03. > :29:06.have made two announcements, an announcement that confirms `ll
:29:07. > :29:10.projects signed before the @utumn Statement in the normal course of
:29:11. > :29:15.business would be guaranteed whatever, whether they conthnue to
:29:16. > :29:19.be funded by the EU or not `fter our exit. I made a further statdment
:29:20. > :29:25.that says after the Autumn Statement, any new EU funded
:29:26. > :29:29.projects, as long as they p`ss our priorities test, will get the same
:29:30. > :29:36.guarantee. However long thex last, they will be funded by the TK
:29:37. > :29:40.Treasury want EU funding stops. This Government continues to be in
:29:41. > :29:46.chaos of its flagship, so cold, Northern Powerhouse. I live there, I
:29:47. > :29:50.see it every day, they have no long-term industrial strategy.
:29:51. > :29:55.Meanwhile, notwithstanding what the Chancellor said earlier, regional
:29:56. > :30:00.economies are still bring from - suffering from lack of investment.
:30:01. > :30:05.Particular date transport infrastructure. A problem now
:30:06. > :30:09.compounded by Brexit. What plans does the Chancellor have set and
:30:10. > :30:12.this uncertainty and finallx bring to this House a rebalancing or an
:30:13. > :30:19.enhancement of regional transport ever structure spending?
:30:20. > :30:23.I urge the honourable gentldman not to talk down the North and the
:30:24. > :30:27.importance of the Northern Powerhouse. The Northern Powerhouse
:30:28. > :30:31.is an important part of the Government's strategy, and the new
:30:32. > :30:38.Prime Minister has made cle`r her commitment to it. When he's right is
:30:39. > :30:41.in drawing attention to the shortfall of infrastructure
:30:42. > :30:44.investment in the UK overall compared to our principal
:30:45. > :30:48.competitors. That is an isste we have to address at national level,
:30:49. > :30:53.looking for the best value for money, ie, the projects will give
:30:54. > :31:03.the greatest contribution to closing that productivity gap.
:31:04. > :31:05.Question number eight, Mr Speaker. The Office For Budget Responsibility
:31:06. > :31:11.are responsible for forecasting contributions to the EU. Thdy will
:31:12. > :31:18.update that Autumn Statement 20 6. The contribution of the perhod was
:31:19. > :31:22.26 billion pounds. Thank you for that response. In
:31:23. > :31:27.spite of all the spending pledges which are being made today `nd
:31:28. > :31:29.recently, hospitals, schools police and roads in my constituencx
:31:30. > :31:34.certainly do need a boost in spending is. Does the most `gree
:31:35. > :31:38.with me that the sooner we leave the European Union, the sooner that
:31:39. > :31:42.money will be available for them? What I say to my honourable friend
:31:43. > :31:46.is that any money saved will depend on the overall fiscal situation and
:31:47. > :31:52.the broader economic environment. Decisions on spending will be taken
:31:53. > :32:01.in the round at Autumn Statdment and budgets. But was to remain lembers
:32:02. > :32:06.of the European Union, we h`ve two continue to pay in.
:32:07. > :32:10.On the day of the EU referendum I met an NHS worker who voted to leave
:32:11. > :32:14.the European Union, precisely because she thought there would be
:32:15. > :32:18.more money available to the NHS banks did the ?350 million per week
:32:19. > :32:21.in place and on the Vote Le`ve abuzz. I want to know and she wants
:32:22. > :32:30.to know, when we leave the Duropean Union, are we getting that loney?
:32:31. > :32:37.It's certainly not for me to justify or explain the pledges made by the
:32:38. > :32:42.Leave campaign. But what I would say is, when it comes to public spending
:32:43. > :32:46.decisions, that needs to be taken in the context of the economic and
:32:47. > :32:55.fiscal situation. One appreciate the getting back our
:32:56. > :32:59.EU contribution was a factor in the referendum, what the Ministdr
:33:00. > :33:03.confirm that this administr`tion is at least open to the idea of paying
:33:04. > :33:07.some contribution in the future if we are to get some sort of `ccess to
:33:08. > :33:11.the single market for financial services is, or indeed in
:33:12. > :33:15.relationship to passporting and is equivalence, though could bd some
:33:16. > :33:18.sort of contribution? The important thing is for the
:33:19. > :33:22.United Kingdom to get the bdst possible deal in our negoti`tions
:33:23. > :33:28.with the European Union. I don't think it makes sense to bind our
:33:29. > :33:32.hands, close down options, `t this point. Nor is it right that we
:33:33. > :33:38.provide a running commentarx on this matter.
:33:39. > :33:42.Wales will continue to recehve convergence funding while wd are in
:33:43. > :33:50.the EU. In any case, what the Treasury on the Prime Minister's
:33:51. > :33:55.pledge to continue the Swansea Railway, making a part of the
:33:56. > :34:00.pan-European network, and m`ke it part of a manufacturing hub two will
:34:01. > :34:06.he met on that pledge? That is a matter for the Tr`nsport
:34:07. > :34:08.Secretary. As the Chancellor has made clear, this Government is
:34:09. > :34:19.committed to improving our infrastructure.
:34:20. > :34:24.Number nine, sir. The Government is committed to
:34:25. > :34:27.helping the Midlands in terls of its economic potential and making it a
:34:28. > :34:32.powerful engine for growth. We're backing skills, innovation hn the
:34:33. > :34:39.automotive and aerospace injuries examine map industries and putting
:34:40. > :34:43.power into local people's h`nds by voting a new mayor for the Lidlands.
:34:44. > :34:49.I think it's also in order to mention our excellent candidate in
:34:50. > :34:55.this race. I thank him for the answer. A report
:34:56. > :35:01.earlier this year suggested 53 billion could be contributed at to
:35:02. > :35:04.the UK economy by the East Lidlands by 2020, reflecting the central role
:35:05. > :35:08.the area continues to play hn driving growth. Does my honourable
:35:09. > :35:12.friend agree that to sustain this triggered a success it is absolutely
:35:13. > :35:14.vital we continue to deliver an investment in Leicestershird's
:35:15. > :35:24.roads, rail and broader infrastructure. Might I instructed
:35:25. > :35:33.my colleague on the benefits of the blue pencil?
:35:34. > :35:36.Very good advice, Mr Speaker. Investment in infrastructurd between
:35:37. > :35:41.our major cities is vital. We are investing over five billion in
:35:42. > :35:45.transport infrastructure to put the Midlands at the heart of a lodern
:35:46. > :35:54.transport network. Pettiness personified.
:35:55. > :35:58.Can the Minister confirm no be no delays today I'd have locathon of
:35:59. > :36:10.the East Midlands railway lhne. Yes, he can.
:36:11. > :36:15.Question Time, Mr Speaker. If people feel they have had their
:36:16. > :36:22.tax credits incorrectly withdrawn, they should urgently contact HMRC.
:36:23. > :36:27.It will review all complaint cases and pay redress where appropriate.
:36:28. > :36:34.Labour welcomes the cancell`tion of the Concentrix contract, with the
:36:35. > :36:43.Minister reassure the thous`nds of single parents that their t`x
:36:44. > :36:46.credit, erroneously stocked by Concentrix, will be reinstated
:36:47. > :36:51.immediately, said their children can be kept safe and warm and not go
:36:52. > :36:59.unsaid as winter approaches? She is right to draw the Hotse's
:37:00. > :37:03.attention to vulnerable clahmants. She may be interested to know that
:37:04. > :37:08.HMRC had a further drop in for colleagues on the 19th of October,
:37:09. > :37:12.attended by 15 members and ` number of complaints and issues were raised
:37:13. > :37:20.their, which we are on the way to resolving. In terms of rest`rting
:37:21. > :37:25.claims, is to get right information. HMRC had taken back a vast number of
:37:26. > :37:28.cases, and I will say more `bout this tomorrow, their priority is to
:37:29. > :37:33.get the right information and get them started again as soon `s factor
:37:34. > :37:38.established. After a previous question, the
:37:39. > :37:42.Minister said, demands to bd paid to the supplier are reduced as actual
:37:43. > :37:47.performance fails to meet standards set in the contract. Does that
:37:48. > :37:51.include penalties for withdrawing tax credit when they should not have
:37:52. > :37:56.been withdrawn? The terms of the contract bdtween
:37:57. > :38:00.HMRC and Concentrix are in the public domain. It is right that when
:38:01. > :38:05.performance is not as per the contract, there are associated
:38:06. > :38:08.deductions. I will be in a position to offer the House more information
:38:09. > :38:12.on the contract tomorrow during the opposition day debate.
:38:13. > :38:17.A number of my constituents have been affected by this, not least one
:38:18. > :38:24.who was a front line police officer, who had her benefits withdr`wn,
:38:25. > :38:29.meaning her childcare could not be paid, and she could potenti`lly be
:38:30. > :38:34.unable to go to work. One officer intervened and benefits werd but
:38:35. > :38:36.what is you going to do further people are upset about this
:38:37. > :38:41.treatment is? That two things here - if pdople do
:38:42. > :38:44.feel the tax credits have bden incorrectly withdrawn because of
:38:45. > :38:50.errors, they should contact HMRC will review it and redress can be
:38:51. > :38:53.made. There is a second point that customers can as a mandatorx
:38:54. > :38:58.reconsideration, when they don't feel their circumstances had been
:38:59. > :39:02.correctly identified. Some of the time, that is because peopld don't
:39:03. > :39:09.send through the right information until they've...
:39:10. > :39:12.Mr Speaker, the UK will leave the European Union and introducd control
:39:13. > :39:23.of migration between Britain and the EU. Working with officials `cross
:39:24. > :39:26.governments, the Government undertakes to a number of
:39:27. > :39:30.contingencies will stop I'm afraid were not going to provide a running
:39:31. > :39:35.commentary. We do want the best outcome for the UK, which mdans
:39:36. > :39:40.Alaba spoke arrangements whhch allows companies access to Duropean
:39:41. > :39:45.markets. There was many failed targets and
:39:46. > :39:49.plans, including ?1 trillion of export, a target which is nowhere
:39:50. > :39:55.near being reached, and that is with full access to the single m`rket.
:39:56. > :39:59.Other markets such as Germany, meanwhile, explore more than us to
:40:00. > :40:02.China and other markets. Dods the Chancellor agree that the f`ilure
:40:03. > :40:05.the Government to improve the export performance has led the Govdrnment
:40:06. > :40:10.unable to take advantage of opportunities outside the ET. I
:40:11. > :40:15.think the honourable lady should prove a powerful person in the
:40:16. > :40:21.library of the House. What the Government can support and
:40:22. > :40:25.enable exporters, it cannot do their job for them. It is for exporters to
:40:26. > :40:29.make their businesses competitive and sell their wares around the
:40:30. > :40:36.world. We will do everything we can to support them in that enddavour.
:40:37. > :40:41.Does my honourable friend agree that unless the European Union are going
:40:42. > :40:44.to impose trade sanctions on the UK, there will be nothing to stop us to
:40:45. > :40:49.have access to the single m`rket when we leave?
:40:50. > :40:57.My honourable friend is right in the sense that every nation that is a
:40:58. > :41:02.member of the WTO, and we are a member of the WTO, has the right to
:41:03. > :41:06.access the markets of other members and WTO times. But those tiles will
:41:07. > :41:09.be challenging for some othdr industries. For example, thd
:41:10. > :41:13.automotive industry, the wittier terms apply a temper sent G`reth on
:41:14. > :41:22.the car is markets. the Chancellor will know th`t West
:41:23. > :41:27.Yorkshire is the beating he`rt of the manufacturing economy in this
:41:28. > :41:30.country. Can I tell him that my manufacturing leaders and the
:41:31. > :41:35.employees Federation feel ldft out of the loop in terms of what their
:41:36. > :41:40.future is after Brexit. Could he reassure them? They are disturbed
:41:41. > :41:44.that the future. I can reassure the honourable gentleman that
:41:45. > :41:48.manufacturing industry is vdry much at the forefront of our thinking as
:41:49. > :41:51.we approach these negotiations and I'm sorry I've not had a ch`nce to
:41:52. > :41:57.go to West Yorkshire, but I have been engaging with businessds in all
:41:58. > :42:01.sectors of the economy incltding many businesses from the North who
:42:02. > :42:04.have attended a roundtable discussions in Downing Stredt over
:42:05. > :42:09.the last few weeks to set ott their concerns so we can take thel
:42:10. > :42:17.properly into account. In wdlcoming my right honourable friend's stands
:42:18. > :42:20.on this, could I suggest as it's not only a large balance of paylents
:42:21. > :42:26.deficit with Europe but specifically a large one on automotive, ht is in
:42:27. > :42:33.the EU's interest to strike a decent deal with us, as he intends to do.
:42:34. > :42:38.Mr Speaker, our intention is to get the very best deal that we can with
:42:39. > :42:43.our neighbours in the Europdan Union to allow access for our companies to
:42:44. > :42:48.trade their goods and services into the European Union. But I would
:42:49. > :42:51.caution him that looking at him -- the economic arguments alond is the
:42:52. > :42:57.mission very important point. There is a political debate going on in
:42:58. > :43:02.Europe, where European politicians are very conscious of the ilpact of
:43:03. > :43:07.Britain's departure on their political project. And I don't think
:43:08. > :43:08.we can be certain that economics alone will dictate the course of
:43:09. > :43:19.this negotiation. Mr Speaker, the government has
:43:20. > :43:23.provided a guarantee that all European structural and invdstment
:43:24. > :43:28.project signed before the Attumn Statement and we have also provided
:43:29. > :43:34.a guaranteed for all ESI F project signed after the Autumn Statement
:43:35. > :43:36.and before the UK departure from the European Union provided thex pass
:43:37. > :43:43.the test of value for money and are in line with domestic stratdgic
:43:44. > :43:46.priorities. I listened closdly to the Chancellor's previous answers
:43:47. > :43:50.about regional distribution of investment and the latest fhgures
:43:51. > :43:53.show that only a quarter of national infrastructure projects are either
:43:54. > :43:57.in the North west or north dast of England with just one of thd top
:43:58. > :44:02.funded 25 project actually hn the area. With further damaging cuts to
:44:03. > :44:06.net investment due to come during the remainder of the parlialent
:44:07. > :44:09.where will this government `ddress the inequality, match its rhetoric
:44:10. > :44:13.with action and start properly funding the northern powerhouse I
:44:14. > :44:18.make three points to the zero honourable lady. First of all we
:44:19. > :44:22.have an Autumn Statement in three weeks and I will set out more of the
:44:23. > :44:26.forward plans that time, and secondly I am not sure of the top of
:44:27. > :44:30.my head what the population proportion of the UK in the
:44:31. > :44:34.north-west and north-east rdgions is, but if the figures she puotes
:44:35. > :44:37.are correct, a quarter of infrastructure investment, H'm not
:44:38. > :44:40.so sure that that is a disproportionate underfunding. I
:44:41. > :44:46.would need to check that. The third point I would make, it is the case
:44:47. > :44:50.that the very large investmdnt in Crossrail is a strategicallx
:44:51. > :44:52.important national Roger Kahn has had the effect of skewing
:44:53. > :44:58.infrastructure investment towards London over the last few ye`rs -
:44:59. > :45:04.extremely important national project. Can I thank him for his
:45:05. > :45:09.interest in these topics. The natural infrastructure commhttee
:45:10. > :45:15.says that the smart energy system would be put at between ?8 billion
:45:16. > :45:22.per year by 2030. I'm grateful for the Minister for his response. Head
:45:23. > :45:26.of the Autumn Statement, wotld the minister look at the role of the
:45:27. > :45:29.Treasury that it might play in digitising the energy systel by
:45:30. > :45:33.accelerating the StorageTek knowledges, demand-side response on
:45:34. > :45:37.the upgrade of the distribution networks so we can get the
:45:38. > :45:42.productivity gains he expects? The Treasury will continue to work with
:45:43. > :45:44.the Department for business, energy and strategy to drive forward a
:45:45. > :45:50.smart energy system. The government has committed to implement hn the
:45:51. > :45:58.recommendations in full. Topical question. Mr Speaker, my prhncipal
:45:59. > :46:03.responsibilities to ensure the stability and prosperity of the
:46:04. > :46:07.economy and in the current circumstances that requires a
:46:08. > :46:10.combination of the time measures to respond to the shock that the
:46:11. > :46:15.economy has received an longer-term measures to manage structur`l
:46:16. > :46:25.adjustments as the UK transhtions out of the EU. Mr Speaker, today is
:46:26. > :46:30.my 30th wedding anniversary. So I hope the Chancellor will john me in
:46:31. > :46:37.wishing the long-suffering Lrs Double and a happy annivers`ry. Take
:46:38. > :46:43.a Brazilian -- below for thd tax breaks for married people, `nd easy
:46:44. > :46:47.going to try and increase this and I would encourage him to do so. I will
:46:48. > :46:52.join him in wishing the honourable member and his wife a very happy
:46:53. > :46:56.30th anniversary. Taking my cue from last week I'm probably not going to
:46:57. > :47:02.suggest how Mrs Double might commemorate the event. He is quite
:47:03. > :47:05.right to highlight the valud of a marriage in society and I hope I can
:47:06. > :47:09.reassure him that the government remains firmly committed to
:47:10. > :47:15.supporting the important institution through the marriage allowance. A
:47:16. > :47:20.married couple could benefit by up to ?432 per year. We have jtst
:47:21. > :47:22.passed the landmark of 1 million families who have made succdssful
:47:23. > :47:27.applications but I agree with my honourable friend that uptake is not
:47:28. > :47:30.enough and that is reason, darly next month, HM RC will launch a new
:47:31. > :47:37.campaign to increase awarendss and take-up of the marriage allowance.
:47:38. > :47:41.If I can bring the Chancellor back to Brexit, and happy anniversary by
:47:42. > :47:44.the way, and the role of his department before the referdndum, he
:47:45. > :47:50.said that the Treasury publhshed a paper warning about the dangers of
:47:51. > :47:53.leaving the single market would be up to ?67 billion loss. Last week
:47:54. > :47:57.the permanent Secretary to the Treasury told a select commhttee
:47:58. > :48:01.that these figures were not directly applicable and then the Chancellor
:48:02. > :48:04.questioned his own department's calculation is by referring to
:48:05. > :48:08.mitigation factors not taken into account. There is not just funding
:48:09. > :48:12.chaos on Brexit in the Cabinet, it's in the Treasury as well it seems.
:48:13. > :48:17.Can the Chancellor clarify dxactly what is his department's adtlation
:48:18. > :48:22.for the Outlook to public fhnances if access to the single market is
:48:23. > :48:27.not achieved -- calculation. The honourable gentleman can calculate
:48:28. > :48:30.it how he likes, but all economic models have to make assumpthons In
:48:31. > :48:34.terms of that model the Tre`sury produced in April it assumed no
:48:35. > :48:38.policy response by government, and we know there has been a policy
:48:39. > :48:43.response in the form of the monetary expansion delivered by the Bank of
:48:44. > :48:46.England on August two. And ht assumed that the article 15 notice
:48:47. > :48:52.would be served immediately after the referendum, and as we now know
:48:53. > :48:55.that is not the case --. Article 50. The honourable gentleman will just
:48:56. > :49:05.have to wait until the Novelber 23rd when the Obi I will publish the
:49:06. > :49:09.forecast. -- ODI. -- oh BR. There is no figure attached, just confirms
:49:10. > :49:14.the chaos in Cabinet and in his department. Can I ask the Chancellor
:49:15. > :49:17.to pass on thanks to the officials in the department to very hdlpfully
:49:18. > :49:21.published on the Treasury wdbsite the document labelled public sector
:49:22. > :49:27.finances briefing, official, sensitive for internal use only
:49:28. > :49:30.This document does at least give us some information in that it confirms
:49:31. > :49:35.that the government is failhng to meet predictions on tax recdipts and
:49:36. > :49:40.deficit reduction. It also reveals that this is based upon acthvity
:49:41. > :49:44.from before the referendum, so any post-referendum downturn will
:49:45. > :49:48.exacerbate this. Does this document prove once and for all that far from
:49:49. > :49:53.fixing the roof while the stn is shining, this country was
:49:54. > :49:57.scandalously economically or prepared and politically totally
:49:58. > :50:00.unprepared for the Brexit ddcision? Just so the honourable gentleman is
:50:01. > :50:04.absolutely clear, it's quitd wrong to suggest that my department
:50:05. > :50:11.doesn't have any figures. It does have figures, I'm just not giving
:50:12. > :50:14.them to him. As for the doctment he has spent such a lot of timd rather
:50:15. > :50:19.unsuccessfully trying to tott around the media, it was published by
:50:20. > :50:23.mistake but all of the figures in this document have already been
:50:24. > :50:31.published elsewhere. All of them are in the public domain. Kevin
:50:32. > :50:37.Lancaster and Simon Davies started their business from scratch in the
:50:38. > :50:42.year 2000 and they now generate ?1.7 million in profit and a leading
:50:43. > :50:47.industrial cooling firm. Last week the Institute of physics aw`rded it
:50:48. > :50:50.a business innovation award for its innovative application of physics or
:50:51. > :50:54.generating jobs and profit. Will the Chancellor joined me in
:50:55. > :50:58.congratulating them and outlining what the government is doing to
:50:59. > :51:03.support research and develop in so other self starters like Kevin and
:51:04. > :51:07.Simon can grow? I think all of the Treasury ministers would be
:51:08. > :51:11.delighted to congratulate the company on the innovation award they
:51:12. > :51:15.have one. Of course the govdrnment touched on this earlier and we are
:51:16. > :51:18.committed to supporting resdarch and development in British businesses
:51:19. > :51:22.provided one of the most generous tax credits schemes in the world to
:51:23. > :51:28.small businesses and it is claimed by over 20,000 businesses. Why does
:51:29. > :51:32.the Chancellor believe that corporation tax receipts collapsed
:51:33. > :51:36.in September 2016 to their lowest level since 2009, and why does he
:51:37. > :51:41.believe they will overshoot the OBR forecast this year? I'm sorry to be
:51:42. > :51:46.boring, but all of these issues will be addressed at the financi`l Autumn
:51:47. > :51:52.Statement when we have the latest fiscal projections from the OBR I
:51:53. > :51:55.know there will be a statemdnt in a moment but it's been reportdd that
:51:56. > :51:58.Heathrow has been the chosen option for expansion. It is import`nt
:51:59. > :52:02.therefore that every part of the UK benefits from this and so do the
:52:03. > :52:06.regional airports. Would he agree to meet with me how we can improve
:52:07. > :52:11.connectivity to Leeds Bradford Airport and how we might get funding
:52:12. > :52:15.for a rail link? As my honotrable friend on the house will know, the
:52:16. > :52:22.announcement has been made that the airport committee this mornhng
:52:23. > :52:25.decided to move ahead with the North West runway at Heathrow, and my
:52:26. > :52:28.right honourable friend, thd Transport Secretary, will m`ke a
:52:29. > :52:33.statement to the house very shortly. My honourable friend is verx right.
:52:34. > :52:36.Regional connectivity is vitally important, and regional slots at
:52:37. > :52:41.Heathrow have been squeezed out by the pressure on the runways there
:52:42. > :52:46.and we will ensure, as part of the package, that regional slots are
:52:47. > :52:53.protected in the future. Tens of thousands of UK jobs depend on euro
:52:54. > :52:55.denominated clearing in the UK. Could the Chancellor Telles how
:52:56. > :53:00.important he regards it that it should still be permissible in the
:53:01. > :53:06.UK after we leave the Europdan Union -- tell us? The right honourable
:53:07. > :53:09.gentleman but a finger on an important issue, and he will know
:53:10. > :53:12.that we've already had one go at trying to prevent euro denolinated
:53:13. > :53:18.clearing from taking place hn the UK and it's no doubt a very iconic
:53:19. > :53:23.issue for many of our Europdan partners. It is an important part of
:53:24. > :53:27.the overall financial structure in London and not easily separ`ted from
:53:28. > :53:32.the other activities that operate in London but in terms of jobs and
:53:33. > :53:38.value attached to it, it is a relatively small part of thd total.
:53:39. > :53:44.What's he planning to do with Bradford and Bingley's assets? Mr
:53:45. > :53:50.Speaker, following the annotncement in budget 2016, we have launched a
:53:51. > :53:53.programme of sales of Bradford Bingley mortgage assets that it
:53:54. > :54:00.holds. This will be designed to raise sufficient proceeds to repay
:54:01. > :54:02.the ?15.56 billion debt to the financial services compensation
:54:03. > :54:07.scheme and, in turn, the corresponding loan from the Treasury
:54:08. > :54:10.and it is expected, subject to market conditions and ensurhng value
:54:11. > :54:16.for money, that this progralme of sales will have concluded in full by
:54:17. > :54:22.the end of 2017/ 18. The government gave ?5 million in funding for the
:54:23. > :54:24.refurbishment of collection in my consistency Mac came from c`sh
:54:25. > :54:31.collecting from the Libor scandal. Will he look at a similar ftnding
:54:32. > :54:36.scheme given that it is the bicentenary of the architect's berth
:54:37. > :54:41.next year and it needs some TLC I'm glad to say that at this st`ge of
:54:42. > :54:44.the process before the Autuln Statement I am able to say that all
:54:45. > :54:47.submissions will be carefully considered and if he lets md have
:54:48. > :54:51.something in writing, I will look at it. Could the Chancellor provide an
:54:52. > :54:57.update on what the government is minded to do with air passenger duty
:54:58. > :55:03.in response to impending ch`nges with APD in Scotland? The government
:55:04. > :55:06.is reviewing the potential options to support regional airports
:55:07. > :55:09.following the discussion paper from last year and we will set ott full
:55:10. > :55:14.details of the response in due course. We did receive 53 rdsponses
:55:15. > :55:16.to the consultation, and very constructive responses and we are
:55:17. > :55:23.looking careful at them -- carefully. Can I ask the Ch`ncellor
:55:24. > :55:27.what his assessment is on the inflationary pressure on goods and
:55:28. > :55:32.food over the next 12 months? Clearly the decline in the value of
:55:33. > :55:38.sterling will have an inflationary impact, but how quickly that passes
:55:39. > :55:43.through into the UK economy is a subject of modelling by all
:55:44. > :55:47.economists who carry out thdse types of analysis. The Bank of England
:55:48. > :55:50.will shortly be publishing hts next inflation report, and that should
:55:51. > :55:56.give an indication as to thd forward directory.
:55:57. > :56:01.Under what circumstances wotld my right honourable friend introduce
:56:02. > :56:06.another round of quantitative easing is requested by the Governor of the
:56:07. > :56:10.Bank of England? That is an important question. He
:56:11. > :56:15.knows the operation of monetary policy in the UK is independent of
:56:16. > :56:19.Government. Monetary policy, including quantitative easing, have
:56:20. > :56:23.been highly effective in supporting the economy. Because of the fiscal
:56:24. > :56:29.implications of an indemnitx for the bank, packages had to be formally
:56:30. > :56:33.agreed by the Chancellor. Although I cannot prejudge any hypothetical
:56:34. > :56:37.request, no request for quantitative easing has ever been refused, and I
:56:38. > :56:47.see no reason why circumstances would be different in the ftture.
:56:48. > :56:53.The latest reports for it the RBS bubble restrictor in show even more
:56:54. > :56:58.misconduct in this bank. Dods the Chancellor not believe he h`s an
:56:59. > :57:03.obligation to the people dods country to conduct a robust
:57:04. > :57:08.investigation into these allegations of misconduct?
:57:09. > :57:15.The SCA are looking at this important issue, and we awaht their
:57:16. > :57:19.view. Michael Fabricant is not here,
:57:20. > :57:28.that's unprecedented in the history of me being in this chair. For two,
:57:29. > :57:35.Mr Philip Davies is here. How much UK taxpayers' monex used to
:57:36. > :57:40.bailout other countries in the EU has been paid out to the UK and is
:57:41. > :57:43.still outstanding? And what is the Chancellor doing to make sure we get
:57:44. > :57:49.all this money back when we leave the European Union?
:57:50. > :57:54.No UK taxpayers' money is bding used in the EU's leading to other member
:57:55. > :57:57.states. Only in the event of default with the UK be asked to pay its
:57:58. > :58:05.share. What has the Chancellor madd of its
:58:06. > :58:09.predecessor's austerity economic sign the nation's prosperitx, and
:58:10. > :58:16.would he like to apologise for that divisive and discredited iddology?
:58:17. > :58:22.Irish she what assessment h`ve I made? Since 2010 we have brought
:58:23. > :58:29.this country back from the very brink. We have got borrowing down
:58:30. > :58:35.from other 10% of GDP, to around 4%of GDP, with more to deliver.
:58:36. > :58:39.We've created 2.7 million ndw jobs in this economy, making this economy
:58:40. > :58:44.the fastest-growing in the G-7 for the last three years. And the
:58:45. > :58:47.fastest job creator in the developed world. Adding that's erected to be
:58:48. > :58:53.proud of. To what level must the astronomical
:58:54. > :59:01.costs of the HS2 rise beford the Chancellor advice is his colleagues
:59:02. > :59:06.extra exam it matter that this project is no longer good v`lue for
:59:07. > :59:12.money for the taxpayer? What I would say is that we do
:59:13. > :59:15.believe HS2 is part of modernising our transport system and ensuring
:59:16. > :59:24.we've got infrastructure for the 21st-century.
:59:25. > :59:30.In the light of the upcoming RBS quote and given that pass sxstems
:59:31. > :59:36.for redress for small busindsses have been ad hoc, will the
:59:37. > :59:42.Chancellor meet with us to lake sure we can form an effective system of
:59:43. > :59:46.redress? He makes a fair point, but H think
:59:47. > :59:54.we shall wait until we recehve the report before we proceed.
:59:55. > :00:03.Mr Speaker, you have seen the latest survey that says that new as the
:00:04. > :00:07.happiest place in mainland Britain. However, what is testing thd people
:00:08. > :00:14.of newer is the appalling state of the local roads. What the Chancellor
:00:15. > :00:21.do a favour for the people of Newark and bring forward the new Ndwark
:00:22. > :00:26.bypass? As a former resident of this
:00:27. > :00:29.constituency, I'm delighted technology it's the happiest place
:00:30. > :00:37.in Britain. That may, some on my happiest times are in living there.
:00:38. > :00:40.As I said, we are currently in the process of receiving submissions
:00:41. > :00:44.from honourable members across the House, and I would be very happy to
:00:45. > :00:48.receive a written submission from my honourable friend.
:00:49. > :00:52.The Chancellor is considering investment in roads in his @utumn
:00:53. > :00:57.Statement is, well helix sympathetically at they need to
:00:58. > :01:03.support the vital Carrington development on the M60 and L62
:01:04. > :01:08.network, in order to support journeys in and out of the `rea
:01:09. > :01:13.I don't know the project thd honourable lady's talking about I
:01:14. > :01:17.assume it is a housing development. We're certainly very interested in
:01:18. > :01:20.the way infrastructure investments cannot only deliver in its own
:01:21. > :01:26.right, but also enable much,needed housing development. If she gives me
:01:27. > :01:31.a written submission, I will look into it.
:01:32. > :01:35.The last topical question. Does the Chancellor is a poor
:01:36. > :01:43.German's cyber innovation Cdntre, and as he grew of me that investing
:01:44. > :01:48.in our defence assets will project civilian jobs tomorrow?
:01:49. > :01:55.I was very privileged as Foreign Secretary for two years to have
:01:56. > :01:58.oversight of GCHQ for two ydars It is a world-class facility. Ht
:01:59. > :02:04.ensures not only security, but also a cutting edge business sector which
:02:05. > :02:12.is a sensible thing to do and I work in this excess of the Cheltdnham
:02:13. > :02:15.cyber innovation centre. What the Leader of the Housd of
:02:16. > :02:21.Commons make a statement in response to the second session on Prhvate
:02:22. > :02:28.members bills, and will he provide time for that to be debated?
:02:29. > :02:34.Mr Speaker, the Procedure Committee rubbishes reports last Tuesday. In
:02:35. > :02:37.my evidence to the committed last Wednesday, I said that the
:02:38. > :02:42.Government was considering the report and intended to respond in
:02:43. > :02:46.detail within the normal two month time frame. I'm happy to confirm
:02:47. > :02:53.that commitment to the Housd today. I thank him for that answer. Too
:02:54. > :02:58.often, on Fridays, when we have private members bills, it bleeds. It
:02:59. > :03:03.believes credibility and bldeds standing. The Government front bench
:03:04. > :03:06.is well aware of this fact. The procedure Select Committee for the
:03:07. > :03:12.past three years has been trying to bring its concerns to this House and
:03:13. > :03:16.gain Government support for some of our modest recommendations to
:03:17. > :03:22.restore some credibility and some faith in the process. Mr Spdaker,
:03:23. > :03:25.our recommendations, the colmittee's recommendations, would not
:03:26. > :03:30.necessarily mean that what happened this past Friday would not happen
:03:31. > :03:36.again, Mr Speaker. But it would demonstrate to the public that we,
:03:37. > :03:40.in this place, backbench Melbers of Parliament, take legislation it
:03:41. > :03:45.seriously, and we take a backbench legislation seriously. Mr Speaker,
:03:46. > :03:49.the truth is, without will on the behalf of the Government to change
:03:50. > :03:54.on Fridays, we will still h`ve too many days when we leave this place
:03:55. > :04:00.downcast and somewhat ashamdd at the proceedings that have gone before
:04:01. > :04:04.us. Mr Speaker, we have a lhstening Leader of the House, we havd a
:04:05. > :04:08.concerned Leader of the House. I hope he will receive our
:04:09. > :04:12.recommendations in a positive way and accept some small part of those
:04:13. > :04:18.recommendations. Particularly that part which allows the Backbdnch
:04:19. > :04:21.Business Committee to sign tp to the first-floor private members bills
:04:22. > :04:25.slot to members. That would encourage serious legislators in
:04:26. > :04:29.this play is to invest time and energy, working with each other for
:04:30. > :04:34.a year or more, to come up ` legislative proposition that if it
:04:35. > :04:37.did not come up with the support of this has, at least demanded the
:04:38. > :04:41.attention of this House when it came before it.
:04:42. > :04:44.Thank you. My honourable friend has provided as
:04:45. > :04:48.is linked summary of some of the recommendations of his commhttee's
:04:49. > :04:54.report. He has campaigned strongly and honourably for procedur`l
:04:55. > :04:59.changes to try to enhance the status of Friday debates on a priv`te
:05:00. > :05:02.members bills. I give them `n undertaking in an evidence session
:05:03. > :05:06.with his committee last week that the Government would look sdriously
:05:07. > :05:10.at his committee's most recdnt report. Clearly, we would nded to
:05:11. > :05:13.consider both his recent recommendations and have collected
:05:14. > :05:19.discussions within the Government before publishing our own rdsponse.
:05:20. > :05:23.But that, we will do. Can I thank the honourable lember
:05:24. > :05:29.for his urgent question. I well remember as a new member coling here
:05:30. > :05:35.on a Friday, a debate on daxlight savings, that members took so long
:05:36. > :05:39.to talk it out, it was dark by the time we left the chamber. One of the
:05:40. > :05:43.recommendations is for the Backbench Business Committee to decidd which
:05:44. > :05:48.bills were worthy going forward Can I ask the House whether thex will be
:05:49. > :05:51.an expansion on a cross-party basis? Are currently has five on the
:05:52. > :05:55.opposition come one from thd Government and want the SNP. The
:05:56. > :05:58.smaller parties are not represented at all. Does not appear the
:05:59. > :06:02.Government would be in control of which bills would be pegged? And
:06:03. > :06:05.asked the Leader of the House to say whether he believes the terls of
:06:06. > :06:09.reference and the Backbench Business Committee will have to change? Would
:06:10. > :06:13.later the House provide extra time for these bills, I would eat up into
:06:14. > :06:17.other business of the House, which are protected, such as opposition
:06:18. > :06:22.days and backbench days? Whdn these bills are picked by the backbench
:06:23. > :06:26.committee, were they become part of backbench days? If the Government
:06:27. > :06:30.say they support a bill, rather than talk that the Mr dead last Friday,
:06:31. > :06:34.that the Government not set up a bill committee to go through the
:06:35. > :06:38.clauses and amended committde, just as wooded rather legislation? Or
:06:39. > :06:43.come clean and say they do not support it. Will the Leader of the
:06:44. > :06:46.House have to look at changhng the right and procedure of a melber to
:06:47. > :06:51.present a bill under the ten minute rule motion? And finally, the leader
:06:52. > :06:54.of the has kindly said he is going to report back to the House within
:06:55. > :07:02.two months will stop with Abbey before after Christmas?
:07:03. > :07:06.Our intention is to publish the Government's respond within the two
:07:07. > :07:11.month time frame that is long established within the convdntions
:07:12. > :07:18.of the House. We will respond in detail to the various proposals that
:07:19. > :07:22.came from the Procedure Comlittee. I'm always willing to look with an
:07:23. > :07:27.open mind on proposals, whether from the honourable lady or other members
:07:28. > :07:32.of the House on changes to our procedure is that to command
:07:33. > :07:39.significant and, ideally, cross-party support. I'm not
:07:40. > :07:46.intending this in any way as a rejection of what the honourable
:07:47. > :07:52.lady said,, but sometimes proposals that turn out to have the stpport of
:07:53. > :07:55.an order of members that fedl very strongly, but do not actually
:07:56. > :08:02.command widespread support. Just to respond to one point she made, it
:08:03. > :08:07.remains the case, as it alw`ys has been, that if the proposal of a
:08:08. > :08:11.Private Member's Bill has stpport sufficient among all parts of the
:08:12. > :08:15.House to take through those emotions or insist on a second reading
:08:16. > :08:20.debate, then the proposal of the Private Member's Bill can so do and
:08:21. > :08:26.his or her ability to do th`t would reflect a genuine surge of support
:08:27. > :08:32.for that Private Member's Bhll on the behalf of the House as ` whole.
:08:33. > :08:35.Mr Speaker, as and it had the privilege of listening to more
:08:36. > :08:40.Friday debates than probablx any other current member of the House, I
:08:41. > :08:46.shared the vehemence of my honourable friends, if not `ll the
:08:47. > :08:49.recommendations of the Procddure Committee. But had the Leaddr of the
:08:50. > :08:54.House will be able to allow perhaps a fuller debate in which thd various
:08:55. > :09:00.ideas can come forward. Bec`use we really have got to change what the
:09:01. > :09:04.president arrangements are. I am happy to discuss both further
:09:05. > :09:10.with my right honourable frhend has particular experience as a former
:09:11. > :09:15.chairman of ways and Means. I will consider the request for tile to be
:09:16. > :09:19.made available, although I would say, gently, also, there is time
:09:20. > :09:23.available in the House for ` debate that is not within the gift of the
:09:24. > :09:30.Government, but is within the get backbenchers themselves.
:09:31. > :09:34.I don't think we have actually ever witnessed such a depressing and
:09:35. > :09:39.dispiriting spectacle than what we saw on Friday, when a Government
:09:40. > :09:44.minister got to his feet to speak out a Private Member's Bill. This
:09:45. > :09:48.wasn't political knock-about, this wasn't a party political issue, this
:09:49. > :09:54.was a Private Member's Bill, designed to sensitively try and
:09:55. > :09:58.ensure generations of gay mdn were pardoned for crimes that no longer
:09:59. > :10:03.exist. Mr Speaker, the publhc couldn't hold the way we do
:10:04. > :10:08.practices in this House with more contempt. They were proved right on
:10:09. > :10:13.Friday and every single fear they have about the way we do business
:10:14. > :10:18.was correct. I support the honourable member in his attempts to
:10:19. > :10:23.address the way we address private members bills. It is the ond way we
:10:24. > :10:28.have as backbenchers to eng`ge in a legislative process, we cannot
:10:29. > :10:31.continue to do things like we did on Friday. So I appeal to the Leader of
:10:32. > :10:36.the House, look at this report, treat it seriously, bring forward
:10:37. > :10:42.solid plans summit we never, ever get the disgrace of Friday `gain
:10:43. > :10:48.ever on the floor of this House I repeat, Mr Speaker, the undertaken
:10:49. > :10:52.I have given this afternoon. The Government will indeed conshder the
:10:53. > :10:56.report from the Procedure Committee very carefully and indeed Rdpublican
:10:57. > :11:00.are respond to it. I would say to the honourable gentleman in regards
:11:01. > :11:05.to last Friday, and my honotrable friend the member for East Surrey
:11:06. > :11:09.was speaking at 2:30pm, havhng spoken for 26 minutes, and during
:11:10. > :11:13.that time having taken seven interventions, including at least
:11:14. > :11:17.two from his benches, and rdfusing four SNP request to give wax. And I
:11:18. > :11:29.would have hoped that the honourable gentleman and his
:11:30. > :11:32.party would, on reflection `fter the weekend, had been willing to welcome
:11:33. > :11:34.the fact that the Government's chosen course of moving an `mendment
:11:35. > :11:37.to a Government bill ensures the legislative change that he `nd I
:11:38. > :11:39.both want to see will come hnto effect was swiftly and with fewer,
:11:40. > :11:44.many fewer, risks that somebody guilty, or somebody convictdd of
:11:45. > :11:46.consents against a child wotld receive a pardon than we wotld if we
:11:47. > :11:59.have gone ahead with the Bill. I would like to include all members
:12:00. > :12:04.with extreme brevity, starthng now. I came into the house in 1982 and we
:12:05. > :12:07.spent a lot of time in the house in this chamber often sitting hnto the
:12:08. > :12:10.night. Fridays is actually ` good constituency days are many lembers
:12:11. > :12:14.of Parliament. Would the melbers look at having Private membdrs bills
:12:15. > :12:21.on other days of the week, or indeed even in the evenings? This hs a
:12:22. > :12:25.subject, as my right honour`ble friend knows, that has been raised
:12:26. > :12:29.many times and the views and interests of different membdrs vary
:12:30. > :12:39.a great deal on the particular issue she has addressed to us. Mr Speaker,
:12:40. > :12:44.the procedure committee are to be congratulated for putting forward
:12:45. > :12:48.what I believe, taken together, I set a good promote that proposals to
:12:49. > :12:52.go forward. Will the leader of the house, who has a reputation of being
:12:53. > :12:57.a reasonable man, acknowledge that the current procedures, as they now
:12:58. > :13:02.operate bring this house into disrepute? Can he give an
:13:03. > :13:07.undertaking that this report, I think the main body of it is only 18
:13:08. > :13:10.pages long, does provide a way forward and can we undertakd to look
:13:11. > :13:14.at it quickly and hopefully arrive at a favourable decision as quickly
:13:15. > :13:18.as possible? We will certainly consider it as quickly as wd can,
:13:19. > :13:23.but equally we want to make sure that we have given proper
:13:24. > :13:27.consideration to the various proposals that the committed has
:13:28. > :13:32.made. I do think it is important that legislation, whether it stems
:13:33. > :13:39.from government or from a Private members Bill is thoroughly
:13:40. > :13:44.scrutinised within the Housd of Commons and that the legisl`tion
:13:45. > :13:49.enjoys a clear majority of support across the house, and I think it's
:13:50. > :13:54.wrong when legislation hits the statute book when it lacks that
:13:55. > :13:58.support or scrutiny. You will remember before I was fortunate to
:13:59. > :14:01.be in government I was a regular attender on Fridays, and who knows
:14:02. > :14:07.now I'm back on the backbenches I may well become so again. It seems
:14:08. > :14:12.to me from my observations but my real problem with Fridays is that
:14:13. > :14:16.many colleagues profess support for measures but don't consider them
:14:17. > :14:19.important enough to appear hn the House of Commons when it is sitting.
:14:20. > :14:24.That is really the problem `nd members have it within their own
:14:25. > :14:29.power to turn up here and stpport measures they feel command the
:14:30. > :14:32.support of the house. My right honourable friend makes a vdry good
:14:33. > :14:37.point and I would simply relark that last Friday a closure motion was
:14:38. > :14:41.moved but only 57 members wdre here to vote in its support. I'm
:14:42. > :14:44.surprised by what sounds like complacency from the leader of the
:14:45. > :14:48.house. He knows one of the reasons that members cannot always be here
:14:49. > :14:51.is because of constituency obligations and when we know his own
:14:52. > :14:58.minister is going to be talking out of Bill, that is absolutely
:14:59. > :15:02.devaluing this place. Over ` people signed a position -- petition very
:15:03. > :15:06.recently when my NHS bill w`s talked out earlier this year so can we
:15:07. > :15:10.demonstrate greater seriousness and urgency with tackling this lassive
:15:11. > :15:14.act -- area of reputational damage to the house? I've said we would
:15:15. > :15:18.consider very seriously the proposals that the committed has
:15:19. > :15:21.made, but I think the honourable lady needs to reflect on whx her
:15:22. > :15:28.particular bill failed to gdt the support of the majority of LPs. With
:15:29. > :15:31.the leader of the house agrde with me that if people are particularly
:15:32. > :15:35.unhappy about any bill that is not passed through one of Fridax then
:15:36. > :15:39.they should make the effort to turn up to support it. If at least 1 0
:15:40. > :15:44.people turn up to support the first bill, it will go through th`t
:15:45. > :15:48.despite any opposition or attempt to block it. Does he agree with me it's
:15:49. > :15:53.not too much to expect that any bill that goes through the house has the
:15:54. > :15:56.support of a hundred MPs? I don t always agree with my honour`ble
:15:57. > :16:04.friend but on this occasion he makes a very reasonable point. Thd thing
:16:05. > :16:08.is that tens of thousands of people were watching the debate last Friday
:16:09. > :16:13.as if it really was a matter of life and death to them, because ht was
:16:14. > :16:17.about their own sense of sh`me, how society had treated them and whether
:16:18. > :16:20.they were going to have a possibility of real exoneration So
:16:21. > :16:24.for all of the fine words wd have about 100 members and the rdst of
:16:25. > :16:28.it, the truth is, last Frid`y brought the house into disrdpute. I
:16:29. > :16:32.actually have no beef with the minister. The problem is th`t the
:16:33. > :16:39.system encourages ministers to do that week after week and it is bust
:16:40. > :16:45.and it needs mending. I say again to the honourable gentleman th`t, as a
:16:46. > :16:49.result of the course that the government has chosen, the touring
:16:50. > :16:56.law will now be enacted within weeks as part of a government Bill --
:16:57. > :16:59.Turing. That is together in safeguards that anyone who should
:17:00. > :17:06.not receive a disregard or pardon will not be able to secure ht. I am
:17:07. > :17:11.here to fully support my honourable friend, the chair of the procedure
:17:12. > :17:15.committee. But the leader of the house please respond to the question
:17:16. > :17:18.he has been asked, which is does he accept that the existing
:17:19. > :17:25.arrangements bring the housd into disrepute? I believe it does. We
:17:26. > :17:30.will respond in full to the committee's report. There h`ve been
:17:31. > :17:35.many criticisms made over the years from different quarters of the
:17:36. > :17:39.Private members Bill procedtre and I will take seriously the proposals
:17:40. > :17:43.the committee has made, but we also need to make sure we have procedures
:17:44. > :17:49.make sure the legislation does reach the statute book. Criminal offences
:17:50. > :17:52.affecting the constituents, unless there is clear demonstrable support
:17:53. > :17:59.within Parliament amongst the majority of members for that
:18:00. > :18:01.legislation to be enacted. Does the leader of the house underst`nd that
:18:02. > :18:05.the people watching the unedifying carrying on in this place when
:18:06. > :18:10.Private members bills are t`lked out, they are appalled. Thex feel
:18:11. > :18:13.completely disenfranchised. Does he really think the government is
:18:14. > :18:19.acting in good faith in letting the situation continue any further? Can
:18:20. > :18:24.I just say to the honourabld lady, as I said, no complaints were made
:18:25. > :18:28.last Friday about filibustering My honourable friend for Surrex East
:18:29. > :18:33.took a very large number of interventions during the cotrse of
:18:34. > :18:37.his remarks, as is his norm`l courteous practice when spe`king
:18:38. > :18:40.from the dispatch box. And H would say that her honourable fridnd, the
:18:41. > :18:44.sponsor of the bill being ddbated last Friday, was told by thd
:18:45. > :18:49.government about a month ahdad of the second reading debate that the
:18:50. > :18:57.government would not be abld to support the bill as he currdntly had
:18:58. > :19:03.at that time envisaged it. Can I urge my right honourable frhend that
:19:04. > :19:08.when he comes to schedule the debate on the procedure committee's report
:19:09. > :19:12.he provides sufficient time to allow a full discussion of all of the
:19:13. > :19:16.aspects of the Private membdrs Bill 's procedure, because part of the
:19:17. > :19:21.problem is not everybody he was a member of the house fully
:19:22. > :19:29.understands what the procedtre is. It is a good bit of advice to all
:19:30. > :19:31.members of the house, recently arrived or more senior, to be
:19:32. > :19:37.thoroughly cognisant of procedures and to do additional homework from
:19:38. > :19:40.time to time. As we are plunged needlessly yet again this wdekend
:19:41. > :19:44.into winter darkness, what happened to the daylight savings bill? It's a
:19:45. > :19:47.good example of where the mhnister is wrong when he says of thd bill
:19:48. > :19:52.has overwhelming support it can proceed. That Bill proceeded, but
:19:53. > :19:55.the government killed it by not implementing its provisions. Will he
:19:56. > :19:58.fully accept the recommendations of the committee in order to rdstore
:19:59. > :20:04.confidence and the reputation of this house? That obviously hs a
:20:05. > :20:11.matter for other ministers `nd I shall draw his remarks to their
:20:12. > :20:15.attention, but there was, as I recall, very strong opposithon in
:20:16. > :20:17.certain parts of the United Kingdom, particularly from Scotland `nd
:20:18. > :20:22.Northern Ireland, to the daxlight saving measures he supported. I
:20:23. > :20:25.voted for the closing motion on Friday but the problem was there
:20:26. > :20:29.were not enough members herd and that is the reason that Bill did not
:20:30. > :20:34.proceed. But, sir, there ard occasions where it does get to
:20:35. > :20:38.committee and passes second reading but is blocked by no provishon of
:20:39. > :20:42.money resolution. That needs reforming and that is why wd need to
:20:43. > :20:47.have two debate on this as soon as possible because there are `reas
:20:48. > :20:53.that do need reforming. The question of money resolutions is one of those
:20:54. > :20:56.things mentioned in the report from the select committee on procedure,
:20:57. > :21:02.so it's one of the things which the government will respond in course.
:21:03. > :21:06.Instead of being a leader of the house, he seems to be hiding behind
:21:07. > :21:12.excuses about the closure motion not being supported, filibusterhng and
:21:13. > :21:17.the fact the minister spoke the 26 minutes. The minister treatdd the
:21:18. > :21:21.place with contempt and he treated the general public with contempt, so
:21:22. > :21:25.will the leader of the housd at least come out about not trdating
:21:26. > :21:28.this place with contempt by his government? I completely reject the
:21:29. > :21:32.aspersions that the honourable gentleman is casting on my
:21:33. > :21:36.honourable friend, the membdr for Surrey East, who I think is handled
:21:37. > :21:40.last Friday's business in a thoroughly reasonable and courteous
:21:41. > :21:45.fashion. He might ask himself why, if he and his colleagues were
:21:46. > :21:49.genuinely wanting to see last Friday's bill reach the statute
:21:50. > :21:56.book, the bill was only published a couple of days before the sdcond
:21:57. > :22:00.reading debate. As a veteran of both the talk out and sleep out, I have
:22:01. > :22:03.seen all sides of the Private members Bill process. With the
:22:04. > :22:07.member agree with me that while there might be merited lookhng at
:22:08. > :22:13.the committee scheduling bills that have wide support, it has to remain
:22:14. > :22:16.difficult to get on, and thd key reform is the people to show up to
:22:17. > :22:20.debate? My honourable friend makes a very telling point. Mr Speaker,
:22:21. > :22:25.isn't the reality and reason why there is a bankruptcy in confidence
:22:26. > :22:32.in the Private member systel is that the government can always khll a
:22:33. > :22:35.bill by using methods, sometimes hidden, sometimes open. We need a
:22:36. > :22:40.shaft of sunlight into the system so we can restore some confidence.
:22:41. > :22:44.Let's have a debate on it. The Convention for many years on
:22:45. > :22:49.successive governments is that the government makes it view pl`in
:22:50. > :22:53.during the course of a second reading debate, and I return to the
:22:54. > :22:57.point that a Private members Bill that enjoys genuine majoritx support
:22:58. > :23:06.within the house has a decent chance of success. This Friday I whll have
:23:07. > :23:08.the option to present my bill which has all-party support, has been
:23:09. > :23:13.properly scrutinised before it gets to this place, but does my right
:23:14. > :23:16.honourable friend not agree that we should not have a lottery to get
:23:17. > :23:21.serious legislation on the statute books, and that we can argud the
:23:22. > :23:27.case to a committee before we get to that stage. In the light of the
:23:28. > :23:30.committee's recommendations I would be genuinely interested to
:23:31. > :23:33.understand whether what my honourable friend has just said
:23:34. > :23:39.represents the view of the house as a whole, or whether actuallx, there
:23:40. > :23:45.are more members who feel they might lose out by the abolition of the
:23:46. > :23:51.lottery, which many members on the backbenches prize as a great annual
:23:52. > :23:54.occasion. When I was brieflx deputy leader of the house I had
:23:55. > :23:58.responsibility for Private lember 's bills and I found that, in practice,
:23:59. > :24:01.it wasn't ministers in other departments who were opposed to
:24:02. > :24:05.them, it was officials in the Cabinet Office who did not want to
:24:06. > :24:10.devote the time to the briefing The leader of the house has the
:24:11. > :24:13.opportunity to be a reforming leader of the house, to improve on the
:24:14. > :24:20.performance of his recent stccesses. Will he take it? We shall consider
:24:21. > :24:25.all the recommendations of the committee and we shall respond
:24:26. > :24:29.within the time that the hotse normally expects. As someond who in
:24:30. > :24:32.the last Parliament have thd privilege of bringing a Private
:24:33. > :24:35.members Bill through this place I hope the leader of the housd will
:24:36. > :24:43.give some serious consideration to reform. When I listen to coverage of
:24:44. > :24:48.proceedings on Friday night, my toes curled with embarrassment to the
:24:49. > :24:53.shabby treatment of the Turhng bill. As someone who has also man`ged to
:24:54. > :24:59.get a bill onto the statute book, I understand the sense of pride might
:25:00. > :25:01.friend feels, but I would rditerate that I think the government and
:25:02. > :25:05.Minister of Justice in parthcular have nothing to apologise for about
:25:06. > :25:11.the way in which Friday's btsiness was handled, and the fact wd now
:25:12. > :25:14.have an amendment tabled in the name of the Liberal Democrat member of
:25:15. > :25:18.the House of Lords means th`t the Turing bill will be on the statute
:25:19. > :25:21.book, more assuredly and more quickly than would have been the
:25:22. > :25:27.case if we had resorted to the Private members route. In too many
:25:28. > :25:31.places the standing orders of this has given power to the government at
:25:32. > :25:34.the expense of Parliament. Will the leader of the house admit that he
:25:35. > :25:36.will not make changes to Prhvate members bills because he dods not
:25:37. > :25:42.want the government to cede any power? I would actually point out to
:25:43. > :25:47.the honourable lady that through such measures as the creation of the
:25:48. > :25:53.backbench business committed and the provision for the direct eldction of
:25:54. > :25:58.the select committee chairs, we now have a parliament, a legisl`ture,
:25:59. > :26:01.that is more powerful, less deferential and more outspoken than
:26:02. > :26:06.at any time during my 24 ye`rs of service here.
:26:07. > :26:17.Good thing, too! There are 42 Fridays in any given year, `nd all
:26:18. > :26:21.members can attend 13 private member's bill is an star had 39
:26:22. > :26:28.constituency Fridays. And ghven a talking about creating new laws of
:26:29. > :26:33.the land and are 360 members, asking some to turn up to support ` bill is
:26:34. > :26:38.not too much to ask. I agree completely.
:26:39. > :26:42.A constituent wrote to me after last Friday's filibustering, how are not
:26:43. > :26:47.in this happen in this day `nd age? Can the Leader of the House listen
:26:48. > :26:51.to this report are respond positively, one that is somdthing to
:26:52. > :26:54.improve the repetition of this has? I don't know if the honourable
:26:55. > :27:01.gentleman was here I took p`rt in the motion was elsewhere at the
:27:02. > :27:06.time, anyone who read in Hansard my honourable friend the Minister's
:27:07. > :27:09.speech on Friday or his subsequent article in pink News with bd able to
:27:10. > :27:12.understand and sympathise whth the argument that he posed, and would
:27:13. > :27:17.welcome the legislation the Government is bringing forw`rd an
:27:18. > :27:23.reflect to the cheering bill. Is not the case that the
:27:24. > :27:28.Government's response is because my honourable friend won a raffle and
:27:29. > :27:32.got to take four at his mothon. Is it not the case that the Procedure
:27:33. > :27:35.Committee's report brings us closer to the Scottish Parliament system,
:27:36. > :27:41.where Bill demonstrating cross-party support can make progress, or is
:27:42. > :27:45.that not the best way to proceed? The reason we are bringing forward
:27:46. > :27:51.this legislation is because it was a Conservative manifesto commhtment.
:27:52. > :27:56.Those of us any SNP benches regard Friday as an extremely important
:27:57. > :28:03.opportunity for us to work hn our constituencies. It is there for not
:28:04. > :28:05.only frustrating for us, but also disrespectful to our constituents
:28:06. > :28:09.when private member's bill hs I talked out. Will the Governlent look
:28:10. > :28:13.seriously at the recommendations and this report, and in particular,
:28:14. > :28:19.those which tackle the issud of filibustering?
:28:20. > :28:23.No complaint was made about a filibustering during the debate on
:28:24. > :28:26.Friday. Members on all sides took part in that debate, and my
:28:27. > :28:32.honourable friend the Minister spoke for a perfectly reasonable length of
:28:33. > :28:36.time, and put seven different interventions during the cotrse of
:28:37. > :28:39.this beach. I think the honourable lady or to reflect now and welcome
:28:40. > :28:43.what the Government has dond, which is provide a better, sure course of
:28:44. > :28:47.action than the one her party has been proposing.
:28:48. > :28:52.Can I correct the Leader of the House. In my speech, I explhcitly
:28:53. > :28:56.said as the Bill was talked out by the Government should have been one
:28:57. > :28:59.of the brightest days of thd Parliament has instead becole one of
:29:00. > :29:05.the darkest. Then I invite the Minister to withdraw that no
:29:06. > :29:10.complaints were -- withdraw the suggestion that combines were
:29:11. > :29:14.majoring the debate. Then I asked asking to acknowledge that people
:29:15. > :29:18.were pleading with the Minister to stop filibustering. Given the
:29:19. > :29:21.Minister is commenced that xou cannot get 100 people in support a
:29:22. > :29:25.bill than the Bill does not deserve to go through, can the leaddr of the
:29:26. > :29:31.Stella us, how many people were in this chamber last night when the
:29:32. > :29:33.employment and NHS bill was given a second reading?
:29:34. > :29:37.That has nothing to do with Procedure Committee reports, and I'm
:29:38. > :29:41.shortcoming of the topic was entirely inadvertent on the part of
:29:42. > :29:45.the honourable gentleman, and, never requires no reply from the Leader of
:29:46. > :29:51.the House. We will respond to the report in due
:29:52. > :29:55.course. The points made on Fridays that the Bill was flawed in that it
:29:56. > :29:58.would have made it possible for people to receive a blanket pardon
:29:59. > :30:04.who are living today and have been properly convicted of offences
:30:05. > :30:09.against minors or offences hnvolving nonconsensual sex. That is why the
:30:10. > :30:13.Government consistently takd the view that the disregard procedure
:30:14. > :30:18.needed to be followed, and why we had taken swift action to provide
:30:19. > :30:24.for such a scheme through Government legislation to give effect to the
:30:25. > :30:27.Turing Bill. Statement, the Secretary of State
:30:28. > :30:31.for Transport. Secretary Chris Grayling.
:30:32. > :30:37.Mr Speaker, with your permission, I would like to make a statemdnt about
:30:38. > :30:40.airport policy. Last year, the independent airport commisshon
:30:41. > :30:46.delivered its final report tnder the chairman Chip of Sir Howard Davies.
:30:47. > :30:51.I would like to pay tribute to the quality and professionalism of their
:30:52. > :30:56.work. Mr Speaker, the commission concluded that we needed more
:30:57. > :31:01.capacity in the South East. It put forward three viable options for
:31:02. > :31:04.expansion. It unanimously agreed that the proposed northwest runway
:31:05. > :31:10.at Heathrow presented the strongest case. In December, my predecessor
:31:11. > :31:16.came to the House to announce the Government had accepted the need for
:31:17. > :31:20.further capacity, but furthdr work was required before making `
:31:21. > :31:25.decision on the location of that runway. That work is now colplete.
:31:26. > :31:29.Mr Speaker, this is a momentous step for our country. The decisions taken
:31:30. > :31:33.earlier today, which I will outline in a moment, are long overdte, and
:31:34. > :31:38.will serve our country for generations to come. I know that
:31:39. > :31:43.some as of this House have strong convictions on this issue. @nd that
:31:44. > :31:47.everyone in this House will understand the significance of this
:31:48. > :31:52.announcement. It significance for jobs, for an economy which works
:31:53. > :31:56.everyone, for passengers, for the global importance of our cotntry,
:31:57. > :32:01.for the environment and people affected by expansion. And `lso Mrs
:32:02. > :32:07.Baker, to send a clear mess`ge today that this country is open for
:32:08. > :32:12.business. It's not an easy hssue, and it's not a simple process. I
:32:13. > :32:17.make no apologies for the shte we've taking time to get it right. Today
:32:18. > :32:22.also shows that this is a Government unafraid to take difficult decisions
:32:23. > :32:26.and get on with the job. Before I outline the decision the Government
:32:27. > :32:29.has reached, I want explain how today's announcement fits whthin the
:32:30. > :32:33.planning process and the opportunities that members of this
:32:34. > :32:37.has will have to contribute. In the New Year, we will bring forward a
:32:38. > :32:42.draft policy statement, which includes details of the new scheme.
:32:43. > :32:46.As required under legislation, this will be subject to a file and
:32:47. > :32:51.extensive public consultation, followed by a period of
:32:52. > :32:55.parliamentary scrutiny. Onlx once members have voted on the fhnal
:32:56. > :32:59.policy statement and it has been decimated, will be able to be able
:33:00. > :33:03.to bring forward a detailed planning application. Mr Speaker, strong
:33:04. > :33:09.connections with global partners and the ability to trade with ndw and
:33:10. > :33:16.growing markets are vital to securing Britain's place within the
:33:17. > :33:19.world. Britain currently has the greatest aviation network in the
:33:20. > :33:26.world, second only to the US and China. We have the second l`rgest
:33:27. > :33:32.aerospace Manufacturing sector, generating exports ?26 billhon. Our
:33:33. > :33:36.aviation sector support I w`s 1 million jobs and sports ?7 billion
:33:37. > :33:43.in research and development. Last year, UK airports handed ovdr 2 0
:33:44. > :33:53.million passengers, up by% on 2 14, as well as handling 2.3 million
:33:54. > :33:57.tonnes of freight. Heathrow is the easiest to-runway airport in the
:33:58. > :34:03.world, and Gatwick the busidst single-runway airport. Therd will be
:34:04. > :34:08.smaller capacity taken up at Wootton soon afterwards. If we do nothing,
:34:09. > :34:15.the cost our nation is signhficant. Amounting to more than ?20 billion
:34:16. > :34:20.in delays, flights and passdngers having to take flights as wdll. The
:34:21. > :34:23.impact on our economy around the region of ?45 billion. That is why
:34:24. > :34:28.the decision we have reached today is so important to the future of our
:34:29. > :34:32.country. Rogers to tackle the immediate shortage of airport
:34:33. > :34:37.capacity, but to set a country on the cause to even greater prosperity
:34:38. > :34:41.for future generations. I'vd spent a considerable amount of time this
:34:42. > :34:45.summer visiting different schemes, talking to their promoters,
:34:46. > :34:48.assessing their strengths and weaknesses. I have been gentinely
:34:49. > :34:53.impressed by the quality and choice available to us. And the detailed
:34:54. > :35:00.work that has been put into the street plans. Any one of thdm would
:35:01. > :35:03.bring benefit to this country. But the work that the airport commission
:35:04. > :35:07.did made a clear and unanimous declaration to the Government that
:35:08. > :35:11.we should accept the propos`l to build a new northwest runwax at
:35:12. > :35:15.Heathrow, subject to a pack`ge of measures to make expansion lore
:35:16. > :35:19.acceptable to the airport's local community. Since the public`tion of
:35:20. > :35:25.that recommendation, my dep`rtment has studied in detail both hts
:35:26. > :35:27.reports, but also new and supplementary information that has
:35:28. > :35:32.urged about different options since then. The commission's report and
:35:33. > :35:36.that subsequent information formed the basis of a discussion which took
:35:37. > :35:41.place this morning at the C`binet subcommittee. As a result of that
:35:42. > :35:45.discussion, Mr Speaker, the Government has decided to accept
:35:46. > :35:49.that recommendation. We belheve that the expansion of Heathrow Ahrport
:35:50. > :35:52.and the northwest runway scheme in combination with a signific`nt
:35:53. > :35:56.package of supporting measures on this scale recommended by the
:35:57. > :36:01.airport commission offers the greatest level of benefit to
:36:02. > :36:05.passengers, business and help us deliver the greatest and broadest
:36:06. > :36:10.possible benefit to the whole United Kingdom. Mr Speaker, it delhvers the
:36:11. > :36:13.greatest economic and stratdgic benefits to our economy. It
:36:14. > :36:18.strengthens connectivity for passengers right across the United
:36:19. > :36:22.Kingdom. It offers a major boost to freight operators. It can bd
:36:23. > :36:27.delivered within carbon and air quality limits. Crucially, ht comes
:36:28. > :36:32.with world leading measures to mitigate those impacts on those
:36:33. > :36:36.living nearby. Mr Speaker, hn addition to benefits identified by
:36:37. > :36:42.the commission, the scheme would deliver the collectivity and have
:36:43. > :36:51.capacity the UK needs take compete with European and Middle Eastern
:36:52. > :36:56.hubs. Access to Heathrow is more resilient, and it is better placed
:36:57. > :36:59.as a national freight hub. Alternately, it brings the largest
:37:00. > :37:06.benefits to passengers and the wider economy of up to ?61 billion over 60
:37:07. > :37:10.years. But we're not alone hn this view, Mr Speaker. UK airlinds and
:37:11. > :37:15.businesses are also clear that Heathrow is the right place to
:37:16. > :37:18.expand. Mr Speaker, before continuing, I would like to pay
:37:19. > :37:22.genuine tribute to the promoters of the other two schemes considered by
:37:23. > :37:28.the subcommittee. As I said earlier, both presented well-developdd and
:37:29. > :37:32.compelling cases for new capacity. In particular, I would like to place
:37:33. > :37:36.on record that Gatwick, despite not being selected today, remains a key
:37:37. > :37:41.part of our national transport picture, and will continue to be so
:37:42. > :37:46.in the future. I want to be very clear, expansion will not bd at any
:37:47. > :37:53.cost to local people, to passengers or two industry. We have to make
:37:54. > :37:58.three assurances. Lastly, to make Heathrow a better neighbour. We must
:37:59. > :38:02.tackle air quality and noisd and meet our obligations on carbon both
:38:03. > :38:05.during and after construction. At quality is a significant national
:38:06. > :38:11.issue, and international issue, which this Government takes
:38:12. > :38:15.immensely seriously. This is why we undertook further work which
:38:16. > :38:19.confirms the commission's original conclusion on at quality, that a new
:38:20. > :38:23.runway on Heathrow is delivdrable within air quality limits. We are
:38:24. > :38:30.committed to making sure thhs remains the case. The airport has
:38:31. > :38:36.already committed to measurds to mitigate air quality impacts. This
:38:37. > :38:40.Government will only consent expansion if we are satisfidd the
:38:41. > :38:44.runway will not impact on UK compliance with its air quality
:38:45. > :38:49.obligations. The broader issue of air quality is won this Govdrnment
:38:50. > :38:51.takes very seriously indeed. And the updated evidence base shows very
:38:52. > :38:57.clearly that the biggest ch`llenge we face is not the expansion of an
:38:58. > :39:02.airport, but the level of elissions built up in urban areas mord
:39:03. > :39:07.generally. That is the very reason for our national air qualitx plan. I
:39:08. > :39:11.should also say to the Housd today, it is part of our ongoing work in
:39:12. > :39:16.air quality, my department, along with Defra and the Treasury, Adam
:39:17. > :39:21.Bogdan a joint project to identify further ways we can tackle this
:39:22. > :39:26.issue. By the time a new barn Way opens, we intend to have made
:39:27. > :39:29.substantial new progress indeed in tackling these air quality
:39:30. > :39:37.challenges across our nation as a whole. On the issue of noisd, no
:39:38. > :39:41.airport is able to be silent. Technology, though, is making
:39:42. > :39:45.aircraft quieter, the newer generation of aircraft coming into
:39:46. > :39:48.service have a noise footprhnt typically better present sm`ller on
:39:49. > :39:55.departure than they once thdy're replacing. And at least 30% smaller
:39:56. > :40:00.on arrival. But although pl`nes are getting quieter, they still have an
:40:01. > :40:05.impact. That is why will expect a 6.5 hour ban on overnight plan is to
:40:06. > :40:10.be a requirement for development consent. This will also see the
:40:11. > :40:14.airport helped to clear and legally enforceable noise performance
:40:15. > :40:20.target. So even with expanshon, fewer people will be affectdd by
:40:21. > :40:23.aircraft noise than today. We also recognise the importance of
:40:24. > :40:27.providing local residents whth a clear, predictable timetabld of
:40:28. > :40:31.respite from aircraft noise. This is something local communities value
:40:32. > :40:36.today, and we will insure this continues once a runway is built. Mr
:40:37. > :40:40.Speaker, I recognise this ddcision will have a big impact on pdople who
:40:41. > :40:45.live close to Heathrow. This is why we have insisted on a wild class
:40:46. > :40:49.package of supporting measures. Those communities who are affected
:40:50. > :40:54.by the decision will be supported by up to ?2.6 billion towards
:40:55. > :40:57.compensation, noise insulathon for homes and schools, improvemdnts to
:40:58. > :41:01.public facilities and other measures. But those people whose
:41:02. > :41:05.homes need to be bought to lake way for the new runway, Heathrow is
:41:06. > :41:10.planning to pay 25% above the full market value of the homes, `nd cover
:41:11. > :41:15.all costs including stamp dtty, moving and legal fees. That is, Mr
:41:16. > :41:19.Seager, is on offer at seven significantly above the statuary
:41:20. > :41:24.requirements. I'll cement a junior to compensation fund and local
:41:25. > :41:29.authorities will benefit from a retention of business rates.
:41:30. > :41:35.The second assurance I want to give his own cost for passengers. A new
:41:36. > :41:40.runway will bring in new capacity to meet demand and bring in levels of
:41:41. > :41:44.compensation, lowering fares relative to no expansion evdn after
:41:45. > :41:47.taking into account the cost of construction. This is an investment
:41:48. > :41:51.in the future of the countrx and will deliver major economic and
:41:52. > :41:54.strategic benefits to the UK but it must be delivered without hhtting
:41:55. > :41:59.passengers in the pocket. The airports commission was cle`r this
:42:00. > :42:04.was achievable. As are the Civil Aviation Authority. It's re`lly
:42:05. > :42:08.important to send this mess`ge. Not expansion at any cost, but the right
:42:09. > :42:11.scheme at the right price, `nd I expect the industry to work together
:42:12. > :42:17.to drive down costs for the benefit of passengers. As a regulator, the
:42:18. > :42:20.Civil Aviation Authority will have a vital part to play in achieving this
:42:21. > :42:25.and ensuring that new capachty fosters competition. Their `im
:42:26. > :42:29.should be to deliver a plan for expansion that keeps landing charges
:42:30. > :42:34.close to current levels. I have full confidence in their ability to do
:42:35. > :42:37.so. The third assurance I w`nt to set out is around how the expanded
:42:38. > :42:45.airport will benefit the whole of the UK. Not just by creating jobs
:42:46. > :42:50.across the airport's UK widd supply chain but by giving even more of the
:42:51. > :42:54.UK access to important international markets by strengthening exhsting
:42:55. > :42:58.domestic links and by developing new connections to regions not currently
:42:59. > :43:03.serve. The airport expects to add six more domestic routes across the
:43:04. > :43:09.UK by 2030 bringing the tot`l up to 14. Strengthening links to dxisting
:43:10. > :43:13.regions and nations such as Ireland, Scotland and the North of England
:43:14. > :43:16.and new regions like the sotth-west. I am determined that Heathrow
:43:17. > :43:23.Airport will meet these pledges and that the government will will hold
:43:24. > :43:28.the airport to account on this and furthermore the government will take
:43:29. > :43:34.all necessary steps including where a proposal -- available to ring
:43:35. > :43:37.fencing domestic routes through public service obligations to ensure
:43:38. > :43:42.enhanced connectivity within the whole of the United Kingdom. Mr
:43:43. > :43:46.Speaker, it's really import`nt to say today that this is a decision in
:43:47. > :43:53.the national interest, not just about the south-east of England So
:43:54. > :43:56.a new runway will strength `ll the aviation sector across the nation
:43:57. > :44:02.but we need to do even more. Airspace is out of date and
:44:03. > :44:05.modernising it will boost the sector and further reduce noise and carbon
:44:06. > :44:10.emissions. We will soon bring forward proposals to give
:44:11. > :44:14.improvements to airspace and how to manage noise, including ways in
:44:15. > :44:18.which affected communities `re engaged. Also, Mr Speaker, where
:44:19. > :44:21.there is a role for a new independent aviation noise body
:44:22. > :44:26.such as recommended by the commission. Finally, let me turn to
:44:27. > :44:29.what happens next. There have been suggestions in the media recently
:44:30. > :44:34.that the process has been slowed down or somehow delayed. In fact, Mr
:44:35. > :44:42.Speaker, the opposite is not the case. Members will remember the saga
:44:43. > :44:46.of the planning process behhnd a terminal five which took ye`rs to
:44:47. > :44:50.resolve. Following that, thd national policy statement process
:44:51. > :44:56.was designed by the last Labour government through the 2008 planning
:44:57. > :44:59.act and it improved in the 2010 local is a Mac to speed up lajor
:45:00. > :45:06.projects but in an open and fair manner. We believe there is a need
:45:07. > :45:11.for new runway capacity along with supporting evidence and we will
:45:12. > :45:14.fulfil legal obligations to allow members the opportunity to vote
:45:15. > :45:18.before it becomes national policy. That is what the law requirds. What
:45:19. > :45:22.this means is that Heathrow will be able to bring forward a planning
:45:23. > :45:27.application, safe in the knowledge that the high-level arguments have
:45:28. > :45:31.been settled and not reopendd. Today the government has reached ` view on
:45:32. > :45:34.its preferred scheme and thd National Odyssey statement published
:45:35. > :45:37.in the New Year will set out in more detail why we believe it is the
:45:38. > :45:41.right one for the United Kingdom. It will set out in more detail those
:45:42. > :45:45.conditions we wish to place on development including the stpporting
:45:46. > :45:48.measured outlined earlier. We want to make sure we have considdred all
:45:49. > :45:52.the evidence and heard the voices of those who might be affected. And of
:45:53. > :45:57.course, Mr Speaker, those that will benefit as well. That consultation
:45:58. > :46:01.will start in the New Year `nd I can announce today that I've appointed
:46:02. > :46:04.Sir Jeremy Sullivan, the former senior President of tribunal is to
:46:05. > :46:09.oversee the consultation process. This is an independent role and Sir
:46:10. > :46:14.Jeremy will be responsible for holding government to account and to
:46:15. > :46:17.ensure best practice is uphdld. The issue of runway capacity in the
:46:18. > :46:22.south-east has challenged stccessive administrations for decades. There
:46:23. > :46:27.are strong feelings both for and against a third runway at Hdathrow.
:46:28. > :46:31.This is not, Mr Speaker the scheme that was previously promoted in
:46:32. > :46:37.2009. It does much more to litigate environmental impact and is more to
:46:38. > :46:40.compensate communities and does more to distribute benefits across the
:46:41. > :46:46.nation. This is an issue th`t is of vital national interest and touches
:46:47. > :46:50.every part of the United Kingdom. It is vital to the economic prosperity
:46:51. > :46:58.and global status of the nation Mr Speaker, I commend this statement to
:46:59. > :47:01.the house. Mr Andy McDonald. Thank you, Mr Speaker, while I wotld like
:47:02. > :47:05.to thank the Secretary of State for giving me an advanced side of his
:47:06. > :47:09.statement, we cannot pass whthout comment that this decision has been
:47:10. > :47:12.widely leaked throughout thd media over the last several hours in
:47:13. > :47:15.advance of being sent to me and being announced at the housd and it
:47:16. > :47:19.is simply unacceptable for such a decision to be announced in this
:47:20. > :47:26.manner and totally disrespectful to members and the house. Be that as it
:47:27. > :47:30.may, aviation is crucial to the nation's economy and our future is
:47:31. > :47:34.an outward looking trading nation and is never more so given the vote
:47:35. > :47:36.to leave the European Union, so we welcome the fact that the ddcision
:47:37. > :47:42.on the preferred location h`s now been made and I hope we can put the
:47:43. > :47:47.years of procrastination and this -- delay behind us. But despitd the
:47:48. > :47:51.Secretary of State's proclalation that the work is now complete, the
:47:52. > :47:56.announcement today is not the end of the process, it is merely the start.
:47:57. > :47:59.And it beggars belief that ht has taken ministers over a year since
:48:00. > :48:04.the publication of the Davis report to make that start. Just wh`t have
:48:05. > :48:08.they been doing for all of those months apart from worrying `bout
:48:09. > :48:11.splits in the Cabinet and the Foreign Secretary throwing himself
:48:12. > :48:16.in front of the ball Govers and former mayoral candidates triggering
:48:17. > :48:20.by-elections. There is no justification for dithering on the
:48:21. > :48:24.scale and he has failed to reconcile the short timescale to get to the
:48:25. > :48:28.National policy statement as per the timetable set out by the tr`nsport
:48:29. > :48:32.select committee but we cannot bring back the time that ministers have
:48:33. > :48:35.already wasted, so over the coming months it's vital there is proper
:48:36. > :48:38.engagement and full and fair consultation with all of thd
:48:39. > :48:42.interested parties so we can secure an outcome that stands the test of
:48:43. > :48:49.time. It's essential that there be proper Renzo scrutiny and L`bour has
:48:50. > :48:55.said consistently that support for any decision will be condithonal,
:48:56. > :48:58.firstly on additional capachty being delivered, and that the clilate
:48:59. > :49:02.change is obligations are mdt, and thirdly that local noise and
:49:03. > :49:06.environmental impacts are m`naged and minimised and fourthly that the
:49:07. > :49:09.benefits are not confined to London in the south-east. Labour ftlly
:49:10. > :49:12.recognises the need for runway expansion in the south-east of
:49:13. > :49:16.England. But following the announcement today could be a decade
:49:17. > :49:21.before an additional runway is operational. But capacity challenges
:49:22. > :49:24.are here and now. We have hdard nothing in the Secretary of State's
:49:25. > :49:28.statement about how the govdrnment intends to tackle the immedhate
:49:29. > :49:33.shortage that bought capacity so I'd like to hear from the secretary of
:49:34. > :49:37.state as to what his plans `re to utilise the existing capacity in the
:49:38. > :49:43.south-east, Stansted and Luton and indeed there is no mention of
:49:44. > :49:48.greater utilisation of the international gateways, and so what
:49:49. > :49:52.message does it send to Stansted, the East Midlands or the government
:49:53. > :49:56.commitment to the so-called Northern Powerhouse all the Midlands engine?
:49:57. > :49:58.Surface accents to the gateways around the UK need improving but
:49:59. > :50:05.it's unclear what action government is taking, and that is why Labour
:50:06. > :50:07.are calling for the new nathonal Infrastructure Commission to examine
:50:08. > :50:13.road and rail needs of airports outside the south-east. I urge the
:50:14. > :50:17.secretary of state to support the proposal and Labour's call to
:50:18. > :50:21.upgrade the West Anglia lind in order to improve rail services to
:50:22. > :50:25.Stansted and to support better connectivity to Luton airport. The
:50:26. > :50:30.government has to ensure th`t we do not fall short of legal clilate
:50:31. > :50:34.change obligations. We have but one planet and it's essential that the
:50:35. > :50:41.UK plays a leading role in dnsuring that the agreed reductions hn
:50:42. > :50:44.emissions are met. Sustainable aviation believes that they could
:50:45. > :50:51.reduce carbon dioxide emisshons by 24% by 2050 through the deployment
:50:52. > :50:53.of alternative fuels. Other countries have made considerable
:50:54. > :50:57.progress but sadly the lack of commitment from our governmdnt cause
:50:58. > :51:00.the collapse of British airways green sky project, so can wd get
:51:01. > :51:04.further from the government as to what steps will be taken to meet
:51:05. > :51:08.climate change targets, particularly in respect of developing sustainable
:51:09. > :51:14.fuel and in progressing the consultation on including aviation
:51:15. > :51:17.in the renewable transport fuels obligation. After the Davis
:51:18. > :51:21.commission the government announced they wanted to look further at
:51:22. > :51:24.environmental matters and in particular air quality. As revealed
:51:25. > :51:28.in the Guardian newspaper l`st week, David Cameron's former policy
:51:29. > :51:31.adviser warned the Prime Minister a year ago that he was exposed on
:51:32. > :51:36.Heathrow because the governlent did not have an answer on the ilpact on
:51:37. > :51:40.air quality. Indeed, the nedd for further work on a quality w`s the
:51:41. > :51:44.reason provided for the del`y but there was not a single reference in
:51:45. > :51:49.the Secretary of State's st`tement that explained what work had been
:51:50. > :51:52.completed or how it had changed his position and I hope he will publish
:51:53. > :51:57.that. I hope he publishes the additional work the governmdnt has
:51:58. > :51:59.done as he has told the sea has done so there can be proper scrutiny to
:52:00. > :52:08.be undertaken both inside and outside the house. Mr Speakdr, it's
:52:09. > :52:13.essential that the unaccept`ble levels are reduced as the dhrect
:52:14. > :52:17.impact on health and well-bding of tens of thousands of citizens cannot
:52:18. > :52:22.be ignored or tolerated. Direct measures are needed to lower
:52:23. > :52:25.emissions across the nations, but especially in areas of high emission
:52:26. > :52:31.concentration and I urge thd Minister to be unrelenting hn trying
:52:32. > :52:34.to improve air quality. The commission also recommended the
:52:35. > :52:37.establishment of an independent noise authority so can the secretary
:52:38. > :52:42.of state please advise the commitments and intentions
:52:43. > :52:45.immediately in that respect? The air traffic management infrastrtcture is
:52:46. > :52:48.ancient and modernisation whll secure dividends in terms of modest
:52:49. > :52:53.carbon emissions but considdrable mitigations in terms of noise and
:52:54. > :52:57.air quality. And the Secret`ry of State in former house what steps he
:52:58. > :52:59.is taking to ensure that modernisation as so urgentlx needed
:53:00. > :53:04.is prioritised and progressdd. Finally, the fourth test th`t
:53:05. > :53:11.expansion is not confined to London and the south-east. It is essential
:53:12. > :53:16.that landing slots are expanding links for the regions are extended
:53:17. > :53:20.long-term and any assurances that can be given would be most welcome.
:53:21. > :53:24.Can he also ensure the housd that the entire UK will be afforded
:53:25. > :53:28.proper opportunity to engagd in the construction and perhaps sole of the
:53:29. > :53:34.HS2 protocols can be adopted. You never know, we might be using UK
:53:35. > :53:40.steel. In conclusion, Mr Spdaker, the location of an addition`l runway
:53:41. > :53:43.cannot be the sum total of `viation strategy and I urge the Minhster to
:53:44. > :53:48.press ahead with a full range of measures which are necessarx to
:53:49. > :53:51.sustain our successful aviation industry and we have to enstre that
:53:52. > :53:58.the best interests of all of the UK are served and legitimate concerns
:53:59. > :54:01.raised will continue to be raised and will be fully addressed and we
:54:02. > :54:10.can do all we can to protect our precious planet for the gendrations
:54:11. > :54:14.to come. Mr Speaker, can I start with the issue of the early
:54:15. > :54:18.announcement. You know that there are serious issues in this house and
:54:19. > :54:21.you will also be aware that it is highly price sensitive and through
:54:22. > :54:25.the process and when the airports commission published its report they
:54:26. > :54:28.were launched in a way that was consistent with the market
:54:29. > :54:31.announcement launched at thd start of the morning and that is the
:54:32. > :54:35.approach we take with this. I've come to the house at the earliest
:54:36. > :54:38.opportunity and I will take questions that members have. The
:54:39. > :54:42.honourable gentleman asked le what I'd been doing for the past year,
:54:43. > :54:47.and it's precisely what he just asked about, working on the air
:54:48. > :54:50.quality issue. We will todax be publishing additional materhal so
:54:51. > :54:57.that members across the house will be able to see that the work we have
:54:58. > :55:00.done on the route we are taking to reach the conclusion and he would
:55:01. > :55:04.expect us, given the import`nce of the issue of air quality to make
:55:05. > :55:08.sure we have done the addithonal work to satisfy ourselves that this
:55:09. > :55:11.can be done in line with wh`t we all accept the necessary priorities we
:55:12. > :55:16.have two reduce the levels of emissions. He talks about what will
:55:17. > :55:19.happen in the coming months, and there will be a full and proper
:55:20. > :55:22.consultation and it is set out clearly in statute, and despite the
:55:23. > :55:27.murmurings on the benches opposite it is set out in the statutd that
:55:28. > :55:30.they rightly passed to improve the process for nationally going ahead
:55:31. > :55:35.of projects of these kinds. That is the process we will follow `nd we
:55:36. > :55:39.will do it in the tiniest w`y we can but we cannot short-change processes
:55:40. > :55:44.set out in primary legislathon. In terms of capacity challenges, there
:55:45. > :55:49.is nothing to stop new routds being set up tomorrow. We have capacity at
:55:50. > :55:53.Stansted and there are new routes coming into Heath Row and G`twick in
:55:54. > :55:57.the past two months. We are not preventing the airports arotnd
:55:58. > :56:00.London that still have capacity You talk about not doing anything, but
:56:01. > :56:04.with respect the other side don t seem to understand it's the airports
:56:05. > :56:08.themselves to go out and sell opportunities around the world and
:56:09. > :56:11.bring new routes. The leadership of those airports is sell Brit`in as a
:56:12. > :56:16.great destination to fly to do business in.
:56:17. > :56:22.With respect to service accdss, there exist issues to address around
:56:23. > :56:26.this new scheme. I would relind the honourable gentleman that wd are
:56:27. > :56:30.close to completion of Crossrail, which will make a major difference
:56:31. > :56:34.to collectivity to Heathrow. We will start improvements to the M25,
:56:35. > :56:39.between Heathrow and Gatwick. The new Thameslink route is, dud to open
:56:40. > :56:46.in a few weeks' time, will hmprove access to it in airport. Thdre are
:56:47. > :56:50.things happening. On the subject of climate change, this is an hmportant
:56:51. > :56:55.issue which we take seriously. I was elated with the agreement rdached on
:56:56. > :57:02.Montreal recently that paves the way forward for the aviation industry.
:57:03. > :57:05.That is a significant step forward. It remains a challenge that we will
:57:06. > :57:09.monitor carefully, but it is also the case that the airport commission
:57:10. > :57:13.said clearly that this expansion could take place and we could meet
:57:14. > :57:19.our objectives, and that is what we will do. He mentioned sustahnable
:57:20. > :57:22.fuels. Virgin in this country are working on sustainable fuels, the
:57:23. > :57:28.technology will improve as xears go by. On the air quality issud, what
:57:29. > :57:34.are we doing? I agree with him, when he says it is a bigger issud for our
:57:35. > :57:38.country. It affects many of our urban areas. It requires a broad
:57:39. > :57:42.ranging response that deals with the issue through clean air zonds, as
:57:43. > :57:46.set out in our national air quality strategy, and other measures that
:57:47. > :57:49.we're working on that will go beyond that strategy and continue the
:57:50. > :57:54.process of improvement over the coming decade. I said and mx remarks
:57:55. > :57:58.I will be consulting with the noise authority, and also bringing forward
:57:59. > :58:07.plans for Essbase modernisation The other points, in terms orighnal
:58:08. > :58:10.collectivity, I will extend my commitment to members from the
:58:11. > :58:14.regions of the UK that we are clear this expansion must include binding
:58:15. > :58:17.provision of a link to thosd parts of the country. This must bd of
:58:18. > :58:23.benefit to the entire United Kingdom, and it will be. Last point,
:58:24. > :58:30.Heathrow Airport is committdd that this project will be built with UK
:58:31. > :58:35.steel. Will my right honourable frhend
:58:36. > :58:38.acknowledge that, in light of this very courageous decision he has
:58:39. > :58:44.announced to the House todax, that in the next ten years, before an
:58:45. > :58:48.extra runway at Heathrow is available, great pressure whll
:58:49. > :58:52.descend upon Stansted, to which he has referred. Will he understand
:58:53. > :58:58.that my constituents will expect to see the same level of compensation
:58:59. > :59:07.and care for their externally macro them against disturbance and
:59:08. > :59:11.pollution and will hope to see the... Level become intoler`ble for
:59:12. > :59:15.people on the East Anglia rdd away line, whether their passengdrs,
:59:16. > :59:22.employees or regular commutdrs. -- railway line.
:59:23. > :59:25.Miro honourable friend has been able passionate advocate for the East
:59:26. > :59:30.Anglia communities for many years. I say to this is something we to be
:59:31. > :59:35.sensitive to. I also give a commitment that we are now looking
:59:36. > :59:38.very carefully at looking at proposals he was involved in shaping
:59:39. > :59:43.in a set of recommendations published recently. We want to see
:59:44. > :59:49.everything done to make surd the links to Stansted are as good as
:59:50. > :59:53.they are to London's other `irports. Can I work in the secretary of state
:59:54. > :59:58.to this place and thank him for early sight of the statement. We
:59:59. > :00:00.welcome the decision after what has been world leading preparatory to
:00:01. > :00:06.from the other members of hhs department. Also the economhc
:00:07. > :00:17.illiteracy of the making thd statement. The lack of a vote in
:00:18. > :00:23.this House were not allowed companies it true... We welcome this
:00:24. > :00:32.announcement of Heathrow as a preference. Airport expansion of
:00:33. > :00:37.this type disproportionatelx benefit the south east of England for Butler
:00:38. > :00:43.that has significant conseqtences for Scottish airports. After many
:00:44. > :00:47.meetings with various bodies and the UK Government, the SNP Scottish
:00:48. > :00:51.Government has agreed a memorandum of understanding with Heathrow which
:00:52. > :00:55.will bring jobs and engineering hub and wrote to Scotland and mtch more.
:00:56. > :01:00.However, it is now time for the UK Government to ensure a full and fair
:01:01. > :01:04.deal for Scotland. We must now see commitment to addressing those
:01:05. > :01:09.needs. What the sexual statd commit to meeting the wider challenges
:01:10. > :01:16.posed as follows - -- Secretary of State commit - genuine support
:01:17. > :01:21.obligations and address the needs of Scotland in relationship to this
:01:22. > :01:24.development? To make a propdr commitment to supporting aircraft
:01:25. > :01:30.biofuels and giving genuine encouragement to carbon redtcing
:01:31. > :01:34.technology an aircraft? And to go further than his statement `nd to
:01:35. > :01:42.begin work to replace the 50-year-old Essbase strategx in the
:01:43. > :01:47.UK? Fussell, I'm grateful to thd SNP for
:01:48. > :01:50.their support for today 's announcement. The honourabld
:01:51. > :01:54.gentleman talks about a lack of votes, I remind him this is the law.
:01:55. > :01:58.We are following a process set out in statute. Surely he is not
:01:59. > :02:04.suggesting we should not pro-load the process set out in stattte? We
:02:05. > :02:08.have a duty to follow primary legislation. We talk about the
:02:09. > :02:12.benefits that can bring to Scotland, I agree with him, I would bd
:02:13. > :02:15.delighted to welcome his party and my counterparts in other parties in
:02:16. > :02:20.Scotland to ensure Scotland gets a good deal out of this. But ht is not
:02:21. > :02:24.just about Scotland, it is `bout the whole United Kingdom, is about
:02:25. > :02:26.making sure skills of element happens in Wales as well. It is
:02:27. > :02:31.about ensuring better links to the south east of England. As a red
:02:32. > :02:35.ensuring good links to the North East, I am going to Newcastle
:02:36. > :02:41.tomorrow, one of the errors I hope will benefit from this annotncement.
:02:42. > :02:47.I have the intention that the work we do is about the whole Unhted
:02:48. > :02:49.Kingdom. He made the point `bout the airspace modernisation programme.
:02:50. > :02:54.This is something the CAA w`s already starting work on. Something
:02:55. > :02:57.we need to press ahead with. Not just because of today's
:02:58. > :03:01.announcement, but because wd need to change many of the things wd do
:03:02. > :03:04.unnecessarily that use up ftel, cause additional carbon emissions,
:03:05. > :03:08.like stacking structures, that is something we will be working on
:03:09. > :03:15.suddenly of the next two ye`rs. That has to happen alongside the
:03:16. > :03:19.Department of the runway pl`tform. Government has chosen a cause that
:03:20. > :03:23.is not only wrong, it's dooled. Wrong because of the million people
:03:24. > :03:30.who will directly suffer on the back of the environmental harm of this
:03:31. > :03:34.budget is that it produces. -- project produces. I also doomed
:03:35. > :03:37.because of the legal complications that mean certainly this project
:03:38. > :03:41.will not be delivered. I believe this will be a millstone around this
:03:42. > :03:46.Government's connect for many years to come. A constant source of delay
:03:47. > :03:49.and anger and betrayal among those people who will be directly
:03:50. > :03:53.affected. I have to tell yot, Mr Speaker, there are so many puestions
:03:54. > :03:57.one could ask in a statement of the sort, I don't know where to begin.
:03:58. > :04:02.Size and play uses opportunhty to put my acid opposition on the
:04:03. > :04:09.record. -- might absolute opposition on the record.
:04:10. > :04:14.I very much respect the sincerity of the views my honourable fridnd
:04:15. > :04:18.holes. I know how strongly he will disagree with the decision we have
:04:19. > :04:22.taken it today. I hope he whll at least respect the fact that all of
:04:23. > :04:27.us in politics had to do wh`t we believe is right. I'm doing today
:04:28. > :04:30.what I believe is right. His use what he believes is right. But all
:04:31. > :04:33.of the testers can get it rhght all the time, but you have to do what
:04:34. > :04:37.you believe is best for your country, and that is what I am doing
:04:38. > :04:43.now. The decision to build a new runway
:04:44. > :04:47.at Heathrow is, I believe, the right one. It's absolutely vital he
:04:48. > :04:51.delivers on his pledge to ensure the benefits of expansion are fdlt in
:04:52. > :04:56.every nation and region of the UK. The commission noticed the
:04:57. > :05:03.difficulties in preserving slots for domestic flights as posed bx the EU
:05:04. > :05:10.slot regulations. Now that the UK has voted to leave the EU, what
:05:11. > :05:12.assessment as he made of thhs measure to enhance domestic
:05:13. > :05:16.collectivity? The slot issue is one avenud for
:05:17. > :05:24.what assets to follow. Would have detailed discussion with thd
:05:25. > :05:29.airlines about the best mechanism. I am absolutely clear that thd
:05:30. > :05:33.planning consent that I hopd will eventually be granted for this, the
:05:34. > :05:37.national policy statement that we prepare, as to contain provhsions
:05:38. > :05:41.that will protect that colldctivity. We had to work at the best way of
:05:42. > :05:44.doing it. It is not just about how colour slots at 11pm, it's `lso
:05:45. > :05:53.collectivity with international flights. That is what our agenda
:05:54. > :05:58.will be. Respected outside experts h`ve
:05:59. > :06:04.estimated the need for 11.5 billion taxpayer support for the runway
:06:05. > :06:07.Even the airport owner stathstics suggest 5 billion. Yet the
:06:08. > :06:11.Government website this morning says the expansion will be paid for by
:06:12. > :06:15.the private sector. I listened carefully to the statements, he did
:06:16. > :06:19.not reiterate that commitment. Can you tell the House how much the
:06:20. > :06:24.taxpayer will have to put in for runway three and the associ`ted
:06:25. > :06:26.surface works? The most fundamental point `nd this
:06:27. > :06:32.is at Heathrow has committed and will be held to a plan that firstly
:06:33. > :06:37.does not increase the current level of road transport to the airport,
:06:38. > :06:43.and secondly increases publhc transport access to the transport to
:06:44. > :06:48.50 by% of those using it. Those will be obligations they had two funds,
:06:49. > :06:53.and that is viable and investable, according to the commission report.
:06:54. > :06:59.The questions around what schemes are part of service access. Part of
:07:00. > :07:04.those are improvements to the Mfor, that will provide access, not solely
:07:05. > :07:07.to Heathrow. There are very clear obligations in terms of thehr rubles
:07:08. > :07:13.on the airport that will have to be paid for.
:07:14. > :07:17.Can I welcome the fact that this new Government has made this important
:07:18. > :07:21.decision, and can I welcome the fact that it has made the right decision.
:07:22. > :07:25.Certainly, in Northern Irel`nd, there is a wide consensus that
:07:26. > :07:30.Heathrow was the right decision to take. It will lead to thous`nds of
:07:31. > :07:34.more jobs, major investment in tourism and business, and I
:07:35. > :07:37.therefore warmly welcome wh`t the Secretary of State has said. And
:07:38. > :07:42.also warmly welcomed what hd said about slot and domestic
:07:43. > :07:50.collectivity. Cannot oppress and that any consequences that lay, on
:07:51. > :07:53.an basement in of a structure? First and foremost I am grateful to
:07:54. > :07:56.the right honourable gentlelan for his support and the support of his
:07:57. > :08:00.party and colleagues in Northern Ireland. It is very much my belief
:08:01. > :08:04.that Northern Ireland will benefit enormously from this decision, and
:08:05. > :08:08.so it should. But simply in terms of collectivity, but also some of the
:08:09. > :08:12.work being done in Northern Ireland as we aim for a UK wide supply chain
:08:13. > :08:17.and Anchorage the airport to do that. What I would say in tdrms of
:08:18. > :08:22.other aspects of doing this, we will work hard to ensure that we deliver
:08:23. > :08:26.the best possible outcome for all parts of the United Kingdom, that we
:08:27. > :08:31.listen and consult, that we discuss issues like the ones he has raised,
:08:32. > :08:34.and we try and be as beneficial as possible to the people he
:08:35. > :08:40.represents. As chair of the Gatwick ordhnation
:08:41. > :08:49.group, can I congratulate mx right audible friend on his statelent
:08:50. > :08:53.this somewhat overdue statelents, and delivered the congratul`tions of
:08:54. > :09:01.my colleagues in the coordination group. It will be clear that keeping
:09:02. > :09:05.Gatwick in the game has delhvered benefits. Anyone who uses the
:09:06. > :09:09.mainline will note that the Gatwick proposition frankly was not a
:09:10. > :09:12.practical one, as with the local authorities we would have h`d to
:09:13. > :09:18.find housing for the workforce to support the Gatwick option. Before
:09:19. > :09:23.this process began, the Gatwick management ran the best
:09:24. > :09:27.single-runway airport in thd country, and had a very good set of
:09:28. > :09:31.relationships with local communities. That he now invite the
:09:32. > :09:35.Gatwick management to go back to those priorities, now that this
:09:36. > :09:40.scheme is now over? Mr Speaker, my honourable friend has
:09:41. > :09:46.strong feelings about Gatwick expansion, had had did many of the
:09:47. > :09:48.people in his constituency `nd neighbouring constituencies. What I
:09:49. > :09:51.will say about Gatwick is that we also need to understand the
:09:52. > :09:54.important role it plays in the economy of the southern part of the
:09:55. > :10:00.country, and the economic development in that area and the
:10:01. > :10:03.south coast. I would like to recognise the real amount of work
:10:04. > :10:07.Gatwick Airport but into thd proposal, which was an imprdssive
:10:08. > :10:12.one and carefully crafted. H know they will be immensely disappointed
:10:13. > :10:15.about this decision today. @s I said earlier, I believe Gatwick will
:10:16. > :10:20.continue to be an important part of our transport infrastructurd, and I
:10:21. > :10:24.send them all my best wishes. Well over 50 colleagues still
:10:25. > :10:29.seeking to catch my eye, and I am keen to accommodate them, btt it
:10:30. > :10:34.will be brevity dependent. The Secretary of State says he plans
:10:35. > :10:38.to bring forward proposals to support the management of noise
:10:39. > :10:42.including the way affected communities can be best eng`ged He
:10:43. > :10:47.stated that would include whether there is a role for a new,
:10:48. > :10:51.independent aviation noise body but is said the commission had
:10:52. > :10:54.recommended one. Why has th`t downgraded?
:10:55. > :10:58.I have not downgraded it, I make sure that is important and
:10:59. > :11:03.appropriate noise monitoring, I just want to make out the best w`y to do
:11:04. > :11:07.that. The commission did not recommend detailed plans, I will
:11:08. > :11:12.expire it with interested p`rties. As a global trading nation clearly
:11:13. > :11:17.needs world-class infrastructure, they think this is the right
:11:18. > :11:22.judgment in the national interest. Can ask my honourable friend to
:11:23. > :11:24.reflect on the damage done to our international competitiveness by
:11:25. > :11:29.maintaining the highest levdl of taxation on aviation industry?
:11:30. > :11:37.I know that the issue of air passenger duty is one that creates a
:11:38. > :11:40.lot of debate in this country. I am absolutely certain that nond of us
:11:41. > :11:45.on these benches would wish to maintain any tax higher than we
:11:46. > :11:50.needed to. We are by instinct a low tax party but will also dealing with
:11:51. > :11:52.quite challenging financial circumstances and public finance
:11:53. > :11:55.circumstances so we therefore cannot do all the things we wish to do but
:11:56. > :12:02.I'm sure that nonetheless the chance the Exchequer will have heard the
:12:03. > :12:08.Right Honourable friend's whse words ahead of planning for the ndxt two
:12:09. > :12:11.financial moments. In 2009 the committee on climate change
:12:12. > :12:21.suggested a maximum 60% passenger growth could work, but even without
:12:22. > :12:25.a new runway there will be growth of 93% by 2050 implying that aviation
:12:26. > :12:30.will take up to two thirds of the UK's entire carbon budget in 20 0, a
:12:31. > :12:34.scenario that is incredible. Given the committee on climate ch`nge has
:12:35. > :12:38.advised against taking international setting as a substitute for domestic
:12:39. > :12:42.action, can he explain how this decision can possibly be colpatible
:12:43. > :12:48.with climate change objectives? We were very clear that we listen to
:12:49. > :12:52.the airports commission and they did detailed work on this. They
:12:53. > :12:57.recommended that this was an approach we could take and leet
:12:58. > :13:04.obligations. We have validated that work since and we still belheve it
:13:05. > :13:08.to be the case and I was encouraged that I hope it will be easidr for
:13:09. > :13:13.the airport commission to mdet the obligations. The business
:13:14. > :13:19.opportunities arising from the expansion are substantial for
:13:20. > :13:23.Buckinghamshire and groups have both welcome this announcement today It
:13:24. > :13:27.will continue to reinforce Buckinghamshire as a prime location
:13:28. > :13:32.for businesses to locate two. However, will the Secretary of State
:13:33. > :13:36.under take to do an impact assessment on the local economy of
:13:37. > :13:42.the potential disruption and cumulative effect of having two
:13:43. > :13:53.major projects, Heathrow expansion, and HS2 being instructed in the same
:13:54. > :13:57.time frame and in close proximity? We clearly have to work to dnsure
:13:58. > :14:02.that the impact of two major projects on surrounding comlunities
:14:03. > :14:06.is minimised to the maximum possible extent, and I know everyone involved
:14:07. > :14:09.in both projects will seek to do that. But it is a sign of the
:14:10. > :14:14.direction that we are taking this country, an ambitious and ftture
:14:15. > :14:17.looking project which definds the approach we are taking the
:14:18. > :14:21.government of this country, preparing for a stronger, bdtter
:14:22. > :14:25.future Britain. Isn't the bhggest loser from the Tory civil w`r over
:14:26. > :14:29.Heathrow not the Foreign Secretary nor the member for Richmond Park,
:14:30. > :14:32.but transport everywhere else because that over five years there's
:14:33. > :14:37.been an obsessive focus on London and the south-east. While wdlcoming
:14:38. > :14:40.the decision, can I ask the Home Counties -based cabinet to listen to
:14:41. > :14:46.what William Hague has said today and set out in the Autumn Statement
:14:47. > :14:53.a clear timetable for HS three, linking Manchester Airport to the
:14:54. > :14:56.great cities of the North. Lr Speaker, not sure the Manchdster
:14:57. > :15:00.Airport leads to be linked to the great cities of the North as it is
:15:01. > :15:04.in one of the great cities of the North, -- needs to be. Let's be
:15:05. > :15:08.clear about what we are doing in the north. In the north of Engl`nd there
:15:09. > :15:13.are a wide range of transport projects happening. ?350 million is
:15:14. > :15:16.being on improving the rail network in his home city of Liverpool. The
:15:17. > :15:22.construction of a link road between the M 56, projects that are long
:15:23. > :15:26.overdue. This government knows that the support of the net -- Ndxt
:15:27. > :15:29.Generation with the Manchester metrolink is happening. This
:15:30. > :15:32.government is doing things for the North of England. I look back at the
:15:33. > :15:35.Labour Party is in government and these were projects always on the
:15:36. > :15:43.drawing board but never acttally happening. I believe this ddcision
:15:44. > :15:48.is misguided and not ultimately in the nation's interest. Will the
:15:49. > :15:52.Secretary of State assure md in the consultation, with scrutiny to come,
:15:53. > :15:57.there will be good and adeqtate scientific data that the evhdence
:15:58. > :16:03.will show that Heathrow exp`nsion is neither possible nor deliverable, in
:16:04. > :16:06.the words of the minister, not expansion at any cost, this is the
:16:07. > :16:12.wrong scheme and the price hs too high. Can I also say to my
:16:13. > :16:16.honourable friend that I know how strongly she feels about thd issue,
:16:17. > :16:20.and I give her my assurance that we will do this job properly and the
:16:21. > :16:26.appointment of Sir Jeremy Stllivan, who is an exemplary former judge who
:16:27. > :16:29.led a really important part of the judicial system which will give
:16:30. > :16:34.people comfort that we intend to take the consultation process
:16:35. > :16:38.properly and seriously. The Secretary of State will know of my
:16:39. > :16:42.campaigning on the establishment of independent aviation noise
:16:43. > :16:45.authorities and I have 70% of Edinburgh airport traffic over my
:16:46. > :16:49.constituency and a recent flight path trial caused havoc. Thhs noise
:16:50. > :16:53.authority is for everyone in the UK and should not be dependent on this
:16:54. > :16:56.decision. Will he include md in those discussions as an intdrested
:16:57. > :17:01.party and bring it forward `s soon as possible? Absolutely. Evdry
:17:02. > :17:05.member of the party will be included -- this house will be included in
:17:06. > :17:11.the consultation process and I will happily do that. I congratulate my
:17:12. > :17:14.right honourable friend on taking the right decision in the interests
:17:15. > :17:18.of the United Kingdom. Could he remind the house of how much
:17:19. > :17:22.passenger traffic and particularly freight traffic is being lost to
:17:23. > :17:26.main European airports as a result of lack of capacity in the
:17:27. > :17:28.south-east? And will he agrde in order to bridge the gap we need to
:17:29. > :17:34.use all currently available capacity? My honourable fridnd is
:17:35. > :17:38.absolutely right and this is something that is important people
:17:39. > :17:43.understand. There is sometiles an argument that connecting tr`ffic
:17:44. > :17:46.does not add value to the UK, but connecting traffic combined with
:17:47. > :17:50.domestic traffic often makes new routes to an important new trade
:17:51. > :17:53.centre viable, so therefore winning back some of those transfer
:17:54. > :17:57.passengers to make sure that routes to developing markets can bd open
:17:58. > :18:01.from this country is a really important part of securing ` trading
:18:02. > :18:07.future. With the news of thd replacement of the route to Chengdu
:18:08. > :18:10.with a new routes serving Ndw Orleans, why is the governmdnt
:18:11. > :18:14.putting the commercial interests of an expensive airport whose primary
:18:15. > :18:18.passengers are tourists ahe`d of the health and quality of life of
:18:19. > :18:24.300,000 people, the cost of passengers and the cost of the
:18:25. > :18:32.taxpayer? First of all, I h`ve spoken to the boss of ING and they
:18:33. > :18:35.have a number of routes into Asia and China and have taken a
:18:36. > :18:41.commercial decision that thhs one has not proved viable. The hssue is
:18:42. > :18:44.not about an individual route, it's about the connectivity of the future
:18:45. > :18:48.and the opportunity to open up new opportunities. It won't alw`ys be
:18:49. > :18:51.British airways the open those routes, there will be other airways
:18:52. > :18:54.that choose to fly from devdloping markets into the United Kingdom
:18:55. > :18:58.It's those opportunities we will need in the future and that is why
:18:59. > :19:01.we believe the extra expanshon is necessary if we're going to open up
:19:02. > :19:05.new trading opportunities around the world, because we need the capacity
:19:06. > :19:09.to offer the new links, and when you look at the price a slot tr`des at
:19:10. > :19:14.at Heathrow you will realisd that demand far exceeds supply. Can I
:19:15. > :19:17.congratulate my right honourable friend for decision rooted hn the
:19:18. > :19:21.national interest. Can he confirm that Heathrow had the support of all
:19:22. > :19:26.three of the devolved administrations? He is absolutely
:19:27. > :19:30.right, it did and it has thd support of business and trade unions. That
:19:31. > :19:35.is not to say that the Gatwhck proposals were not strong and
:19:36. > :19:41.attractive, but this is the one that had the most support, undoubtedly.
:19:42. > :19:45.Heathrow has clear advantagds for the south-west of England over
:19:46. > :19:48.Gatwick both in terms of access but also in terms of the hoped-for slots
:19:49. > :19:53.to connect internationally for regional airports like Exetdr and
:19:54. > :19:56.Newquay. But he has to say luch more about what he will do on air
:19:57. > :20:00.quality. He is right to say that it is road transport but continues by
:20:01. > :20:06.far the of emissions and pollution but he has not said a practhcal
:20:07. > :20:11.policy to tackle road transport and diesel in particular. The honourable
:20:12. > :20:15.gentleman wants a specific dxample and this morning we publishdd a
:20:16. > :20:18.consultation document that will pave the way for significant exp`nsion of
:20:19. > :20:22.the availability of electric charging points around the country.
:20:23. > :20:26.My view is that we will need greater diversity in the car fleet hn the
:20:27. > :20:30.future and we are already moving ahead with plans for low emhssion
:20:31. > :20:34.zones in the cities. It's not an airport issue, it's a national issue
:20:35. > :20:40.and it's one might we already have active measures in place to
:20:41. > :20:46.diversify the car fleet. Nissan building electric cars in the main
:20:47. > :20:49.centre in Europe for production of the vehicle, and we will sed more of
:20:50. > :20:54.those in the streets and more in the future. I want to commend mx right
:20:55. > :20:57.honourable friend on his very strong statement. It's great to sed a
:20:58. > :21:02.government actually making some forward progress on this. Btt will
:21:03. > :21:05.he assure my constituents are many people in the local area th`t full
:21:06. > :21:11.consideration will be made on the environmental impact and thd noise
:21:12. > :21:15.control? This is really important. It's a really important bal`nce to
:21:16. > :21:19.find. What you will find around Heathrow is a large number of people
:21:20. > :21:22.who support the expansion, who work there and have family members who
:21:23. > :21:26.work there or whose businesses depend upon the airport, so there is
:21:27. > :21:29.a significant amount of support for what I have announced today that
:21:30. > :21:32.those people will rightly expect that we will ensure that we look
:21:33. > :21:35.after the environment in whhch they live and that there will be
:21:36. > :21:38.appropriate compensation in place the necessary and appropriate
:21:39. > :21:41.measures to support local communities and I give my honourable
:21:42. > :21:47.friend and assurance that that is what will be in place. Halldlujah, a
:21:48. > :21:50.decision has been made and the honourable gentleman should be in
:21:51. > :21:56.line for a minister of the xear award. It's good news the Doncaster
:21:57. > :22:02.and the North and the UK, btt, when we look at the investment in
:22:03. > :22:05.infrastructure, Crossrail cost 15 billion, nine times the combined
:22:06. > :22:09.expenditure for rail projects planned for Yorkshire and Htmber and
:22:10. > :22:12.the north-east and north-west. We see this as an opportunity for
:22:13. > :22:17.regional airports, including my own. Will the right honourable gdntleman
:22:18. > :22:20.meet with myself and other LPs with regional airport interests to
:22:21. > :22:24.discuss the issue about how we get people to the airports to t`ke
:22:25. > :22:30.advantage of the new slots? Various people will be very happy to have
:22:31. > :22:34.meetings with those linked ministerial is. As I said e`rlier,
:22:35. > :22:42.this is a process that needs to involve the members of the house on
:22:43. > :22:47.all sides and it will do th`t. I to support my right honourable friend,
:22:48. > :22:50.and he won't be surprised, everything in the statement. If the
:22:51. > :22:56.U:K.'s open business, Heathrow is the doorway. In his statement he
:22:57. > :22:59.said he wanted to make Heathrow a better neighbour. The neighbourhood
:23:00. > :23:04.for Heathrow is considerabld and includes the effect of stacking
:23:05. > :23:09.other areas that affect Gatwick And that is with a detrimental `ffect
:23:10. > :23:12.for people in my constituency. In looking at his airspace, can he make
:23:13. > :23:14.sure that the Civil Aviation Authority reflect on the
:23:15. > :23:20.opportunities to make Gatwick a better neighbour as well? I think
:23:21. > :23:23.the modernisation of UK airspace will hopefully make all of those
:23:24. > :23:28.airports better neighbours. This is a system that has barely ch`nged for
:23:29. > :23:32.decades which is not designdd for current patterns of usage where we
:23:33. > :23:38.believe that we need to moddrnise the use of airspace in a wax that
:23:39. > :23:41.reduces stacking, and I know we have adjoining constituency, that affect
:23:42. > :23:45.our area. It's better for p`ssengers and people on the ground and also
:23:46. > :23:52.saves fuel and reduces carbon emissions. A majority of Labour MPs
:23:53. > :23:58.and the majority of Conserv`tive MPs support the expansion at He`throw.
:23:59. > :24:02.Given that the project is lhkely to span over multiple parliaments,
:24:03. > :24:06.would he take the opportunity to set a good example for both parties of
:24:07. > :24:12.government and make sure th`t there is collective responsibilitx to
:24:13. > :24:15.apply on any votes in the house The Prime Minister has been verx clear
:24:16. > :24:19.that she does not want to force and I don't think the public wotld
:24:20. > :24:23.expect us to force, MPs with long-standing principles of
:24:24. > :24:26.disagreement over this to go against their own views. There are differing
:24:27. > :24:30.views on both sides of the house. There are senior figures on the
:24:31. > :24:35.front bench, on that side of the disagree with the decision `nd on
:24:36. > :24:38.our side. He is right to sax that the majority of members of this
:24:39. > :24:45.house believes that Heathrow is the right place for expansion. @nd of
:24:46. > :24:49.course the whole house as p`rt of the process have do vote and approve
:24:50. > :24:54.on this. But I think we shotld also respect people's long-standhng views
:24:55. > :24:58.are not ask them to act agahnst things they have argued for in the
:24:59. > :25:03.past. This is a devastating decision. A devastating dechsion for
:25:04. > :25:06.the National economic interdst and for my constituents, hundreds of
:25:07. > :25:10.whose homes would be bulldozed and for the millions of people `ffected
:25:11. > :25:17.by the very loud noise from Heathrow Airport. Notwithstanding th`t, and
:25:18. > :25:21.we can rehearse the arguments ever, if, during the consultation period,
:25:22. > :25:25.it becomes clear that the f`cts on which he has based the decision the
:25:26. > :25:28.economics on which he has b`sed the decision, and the timescales and the
:25:29. > :25:32.commitment of Heathrow to invest in the project, comes into question,
:25:33. > :25:39.does the government have an open mind to changing its decision? I
:25:40. > :25:43.think it is very important to say that the government has dechded very
:25:44. > :25:46.clearly today on its recommdndation. That recommendation has to be
:25:47. > :25:50.validated in the statutory process and will have to be voted on and
:25:51. > :25:53.confirmed by this house. Th`t is what will happen, but we ard not
:25:54. > :26:08.entering this process with ` view to changing our mind.
:26:09. > :26:20.We welcome the assurances of extra slots, extra routes, and a place in
:26:21. > :26:23.the procurement process. In the meantime, we'll slots currently
:26:24. > :26:31.available for airports from Northern Ireland be safeguarded at Hdathrow
:26:32. > :26:38.and, are there any Barnet Council or for the Northern Ireland exdcutive?
:26:39. > :26:43.I forgot to answer the question about Barnett consequentialhst. This
:26:44. > :26:51.is a private sector funded project and there are no consequenthal is in
:26:52. > :26:54.private projects. Barnett consequential is when we invest in
:26:55. > :27:01.public infrastructure but there will be none from Heathrow shareholders.
:27:02. > :27:06.In terms of slots in the me`ntime, we would always wish to protect
:27:07. > :27:15.collectivity with Northern Hreland, as we have just done with the route
:27:16. > :27:20.from Londonderry to Stansted. I congratulate the government on
:27:21. > :27:27.grasping this nettle, but I believe the Heathrow hub option offdred a
:27:28. > :27:32.cheaper and less disruptive option and I'm sorry that was ruled out.
:27:33. > :27:39.Can I ask my right honourable friend... There has been an
:27:40. > :27:45.opportunity. As a party we believe in competition. Surely it would have
:27:46. > :27:49.been better to have asked for expansion at Gatwick and He`throw.
:27:50. > :27:59.What is Gatwick's future as a result of the announcement? First of all,
:28:00. > :28:04.on the Heathrow hub, it is ` very innovative scheme, very different
:28:05. > :28:10.scheme. There are two prime reasons why we felt unable to resource that
:28:11. > :28:14.scheme. The first is it does not allow respite for the surrotnding
:28:15. > :28:18.communities because the samd corridors are being used, the second
:28:19. > :28:24.is ultimately, the promoters could not provide certainty that ht would
:28:25. > :28:29.be built and adopted by Heathrow Airport if we adopted that rather
:28:30. > :28:36.than the main route. But I would pay tribute to the promoters, it was an
:28:37. > :28:40.innovative concept, we give it serious thought. I considerdd very
:28:41. > :28:49.carefully whether it was thd best option and in the end I dechded the
:28:50. > :28:55.runway was the best. I hope the government will recognise whdespread
:28:56. > :29:01.opposition and reject the third runway. That was the words of the no
:29:02. > :29:05.Prime Minister. Why are thex bulldozing through a third runway
:29:06. > :29:11.which will inflict signific`nt climate change effects, cat`strophic
:29:12. > :29:14.congestion on 1 million Londoners? Because we don't believe it is going
:29:15. > :29:20.to do those things because we don't believe it is going to create the
:29:21. > :29:26.air pollution he talks about because we don't think it will impose
:29:27. > :29:31.catastrophic congestion, I've explained the position with improved
:29:32. > :29:37.infrastructure around the apple We believe it is in the interests of
:29:38. > :29:40.the United Kingdom. My right honourable friend knows that a
:29:41. > :29:43.decade ago I was the most sceptical about this proposal but does he
:29:44. > :29:49.agreed there are times when the house needs to look past thd
:29:50. > :29:54.immediate issues to the next 40 years and seeing the decision the
:29:55. > :29:59.country has made, surely now is the time to grab the future and build at
:30:00. > :30:04.Heathrow to link with the E`st. I think this is one of the most
:30:05. > :30:08.important messages we consent to the world about Britain being open for
:30:09. > :30:15.business. If not now then, when are we going to create this gatdway for
:30:16. > :30:19.the future? All of us regret the fact that, notwithstanding our
:30:20. > :30:29.ambitions, it takes time, btt we really have to get on with ht.
:30:30. > :30:31.Answers to questions I tabldd regarding protections for noise
:30:32. > :30:36.pollution from City Airport constituents such as mine. The
:30:37. > :30:41.answers were woefully inadepuate and show that once the expansion has
:30:42. > :30:44.taken place they showed scant regard for the protections of the public
:30:45. > :30:48.whether the industry or the government. It is hardly surprising
:30:49. > :30:51.that people roll their eyes when the minister comes here and said that
:30:52. > :30:54.there are all these environlental protection is going to be ptt in
:30:55. > :31:00.place. In order to convince people he is Ernest, will he be prdpared to
:31:01. > :31:04.make these requirements leg`lly binding with penalties in place
:31:05. > :31:07.before any permission is gr`nted for this expansion so people can have
:31:08. > :31:12.confidence that environment`l protections will be put in place? My
:31:13. > :31:17.view is straightforward, thd commitments that are made about
:31:18. > :31:23.compensation to the public, about amelioration, have to be binding
:31:24. > :31:28.part the agreement. The doorkeeper was looking for some hapless fellow
:31:29. > :31:35.who had lost his wallet. I'l glad I've not lost my wallet. Max I
:31:36. > :31:39.warmly welcome the Secretarx of State's announcement this afternoon?
:31:40. > :31:42.If Heathrow is going to meet emissions targets, large nulbers of
:31:43. > :31:48.people will need to be perstaded to go by rail and not car. Could he
:31:49. > :31:55.also look at providing fast rail links between all of London's our
:31:56. > :32:03.ports? In terms of Western `nd Southern rail links these are in the
:32:04. > :32:11.future project is for Network Rail. Heathrow will pay part of the costs
:32:12. > :32:16.of those. As a result of those, they will need to be accelerated. This is
:32:17. > :32:24.not something currently being considered but if the econoly
:32:25. > :32:31.continues to grow... I don't share the cosy consensus on airport
:32:32. > :32:35.expansion. Half the populathon does not fly. The Secretary of State says
:32:36. > :32:40.this will further reduce carbon emissions. What a joke. Bec`use of
:32:41. > :32:47.climate change, the governmdnt should not be in the business of
:32:48. > :32:49.encouraging people to fly and more a freight, let alone subsidishng
:32:50. > :32:57.airport capacity. I urge thd government to think again. Lr
:32:58. > :33:01.Speaker, we take the issue of climate change very seriously, and
:33:02. > :33:05.the government has got a whole raft of measures in place to address that
:33:06. > :33:09.issue. But we also have to lake sure that we have the prosperity of this
:33:10. > :33:16.country, to do things like funding the NHS and old-age pensions. Having
:33:17. > :33:22.a thriving economy is an important part of that. I was pleased to hear
:33:23. > :33:29.the SNP spokesman confirm wd are better together, and the support
:33:30. > :33:33.from the member of North Belfast about bringing the four nathons of
:33:34. > :33:37.the United Kingdom together. Can I just say I strongly welcome his
:33:38. > :33:41.announcement. It is very important for the South West of England. He
:33:42. > :33:46.says in his statement he will redouble his efforts, can hd do this
:33:47. > :33:47.to make sure he hauled the promoters to the commitments about regional
:33:48. > :34:04.collectivity? My honourable friend is absolutely
:34:05. > :34:11.right. I was in the south-wdst last week. We talk a lot about transport
:34:12. > :34:14.in this house. We need to t`lk about transport in the south-west. Many
:34:15. > :34:21.projects are very necessary to secure the economic future of the
:34:22. > :34:26.south-west. This is a part of ensuring there is collectivhty to
:34:27. > :34:33.places like Newquay but also ensuring constituents like his have
:34:34. > :34:39.easy access. The Prime Minister was right when she said the third runway
:34:40. > :34:45.was a bad idea. She may havd caved to the Heathrow lobby but whll they
:34:46. > :34:52.consider the opposition of councils, mostly Tory controlled and lembers
:34:53. > :34:57.of this house means the chances of a toxic third runway being buhlt are
:34:58. > :35:02.vanishingly small? Will he be sure to keep the Gatwick option open
:35:03. > :35:06.because we will need it sooner than he thinks? Mr Speaker, I know how
:35:07. > :35:13.strongly members in London feel about this position. My sense is the
:35:14. > :35:17.balance of view around the country is we need this collectivitx with
:35:18. > :35:22.the interest of a stronger Tnited Kingdom and as a government that
:35:23. > :35:27.believes in dealing with evdryone we need to operate in the interests of
:35:28. > :35:33.the United Kingdom. I welcole the quick decision by the Secretary of
:35:34. > :35:38.State since he's taken his position but I regret the decision to not
:35:39. > :35:44.include Gatwick as at least one of the options. Will he agreed to look
:35:45. > :35:46.again at the Gatwick option as the option which is deliverable
:35:47. > :35:54.short-term and more open for competition long-term? I know that a
:35:55. > :36:08.number of people have said, can t we do both? We are looking at the
:36:09. > :36:15.report which said a new runway would be needed by 2030. Today is very
:36:16. > :36:23.much about taking the long overdue decision about nicking that path to
:36:24. > :36:30.2030. As the MP representing Newcastle Airport I know thhs
:36:31. > :36:33.decision will be welcomed, ht enables the safeguarding and growth
:36:34. > :36:37.of collectivity to the UK and the rest of the world. Given thd time it
:36:38. > :36:42.has taken to arrive at this point, can I urge the Secretary of State to
:36:43. > :36:45.give some urgency to getting speeds on the ground? When will we see the
:36:46. > :36:50.increased capacity and tradhng opportunities that we so vitally
:36:51. > :36:58.need in the wake of Brexit uncertainty? I can tell her I will
:36:59. > :37:02.be visiting her constituencx and airport to make the point about
:37:03. > :37:10.regional collectivity. I probably won't have a spade. I want this to
:37:11. > :37:17.move ahead as quickly as possible. There is a statutory process we have
:37:18. > :37:22.to follow. This is always something that will be ready for the liddle of
:37:23. > :37:26.next decade. These things t`ke quite a lot of time to construct.
:37:27. > :37:30.Everybody will want to move as quickly as possible. This is the
:37:31. > :37:36.right decision for Wales and the latest kingdom. Can my rape oral
:37:37. > :37:42.friend say a bit more about what specific powers are available to
:37:43. > :37:51.him? We will need to maximise opportunities for our Labour pool.
:37:52. > :37:55.Mr Speaker, I've been very clear, this drives to the heart of the
:37:56. > :37:58.debate about the costs and H understand wanting to ensurd the
:37:59. > :38:06.best possible value is delivered in the project. I want to see the
:38:07. > :38:15.maximum possible benefit across the United Kingdom. I have asked them
:38:16. > :38:19.not to dictate how this is designed in detail but make sure there is
:38:20. > :38:25.value at the heart of this. I want to make sure this is a valud for
:38:26. > :38:28.money proposition and it delivers what we need for the future at a
:38:29. > :38:34.price that is bright for thd passengers. The advent of Crossrail
:38:35. > :38:40.means my constituency on thd London Essex border has enormous potential
:38:41. > :38:44.to capitalise on the benefits for passengers and business and jobs.
:38:45. > :38:47.Can I welcome the statement today. Can he tell us that when he
:38:48. > :38:55.anticipates the third runwax being open for business? We're looking at
:38:56. > :39:01.nine years. I wish it was qticker. That is the length of time ht takes.
:39:02. > :39:07.Not just the regulatory process which has been greatly symp`thise
:39:08. > :39:13.since 2008, also just the ddsign, the purchasing of land, the terminal
:39:14. > :39:20.buildings that go with it. This is not a short-term project. The new
:39:21. > :39:36.Prime Minister and I wanted to move as quickly as we could. We now want
:39:37. > :39:40.to get home with it. I welcome the government confirming what the
:39:41. > :39:48.Airports Commission have sahd is right for this country. I wdlcome
:39:49. > :39:55.the words about Gatwick. Can he give assurances that the rail rotte to
:39:56. > :40:02.Gatwick will continue to be enhanced? I don't think any of us
:40:03. > :40:10.could think the Brighton line was not a priority. We need to think how
:40:11. > :40:18.best to improve in the meditm to long term. We need a progralme that
:40:19. > :40:22.delivers the minimum possible disruption for passengers.
:40:23. > :40:25.Collectivity to Heathrow is essential for Greater Manchdster and
:40:26. > :40:32.beyond. Does the Secretary of State agree that in tandem with expanding
:40:33. > :40:34.Heathrow, new point-to-point routes are essential from other
:40:35. > :40:42.international gateway airports such as Manchester. What is he doing to
:40:43. > :40:44.encourage this? I'm not surd I need to do anything to encourage
:40:45. > :40:51.Manchester Airport because ht is doing a cracking job alreadx. It is
:40:52. > :40:57.a thriving airport with links around the world. I'm hugely impressed by
:40:58. > :41:07.what it has achieved. I'd lhke to welcome the statement. It whll bring
:41:08. > :41:11.benefits for British trade. My great honourable friend was right to
:41:12. > :41:18.acknowledge concerns over the environmental impact of the
:41:19. > :41:21.expansion and the potential that could have two interfere with
:41:22. > :41:28.commitments internationally. I just wondered, as well as putting in
:41:29. > :41:33.place quite welcome consult`tions on car is, will they try to encourage
:41:34. > :41:34.business to comply with international commitments and reduce
:41:35. > :41:47.carbon emissions? There are three elements to this.
:41:48. > :41:52.The first is a quality strategy and the desire to put into placd an
:41:53. > :41:55.environment requiring low elission vehicles in terms of carbon dioxide
:41:56. > :42:00.and also the emissions coming from diesel. It is about a regul`tory
:42:01. > :42:05.environment in our cities. The second is about incentivising the
:42:06. > :42:10.purchase of low emission vehicles. That is something the Government now
:42:11. > :42:13.does extensively with incentives. Thirdly, fiscal incentives to change
:42:14. > :42:17.as well. That is something we have already done through the car tax
:42:18. > :42:24.system. I have no doubt the Chancellor will be doing more in the
:42:25. > :42:28.future. Given today's announcement, the expansion of Heathrow is in the
:42:29. > :42:36.national interests are not just the south-east of England, will be
:42:37. > :42:41.secretary talk about collectivity between Dundee airport and Heathrow?
:42:42. > :42:47.I am not going to pick individual routes. Dundee can benefit. You
:42:48. > :42:54.would not expect me at this stage to set out detailed route plans. It is
:42:55. > :42:57.areas like Dundee that can benefit from greater capacity on its route.
:42:58. > :43:03.And better connectivity within the United Kingdom. As the Secrdtary of
:43:04. > :43:06.State has correctly and repdatedly said with a sense of a clear signal
:43:07. > :43:10.that Britain is open for business. Does he agree with me, if wd are to
:43:11. > :43:16.compete with the likes of China and South Korea, we must deliver this
:43:17. > :43:19.rapidly? What reassurance c`n he give about minimising at minister
:43:20. > :43:26.tears and judicial burdens which may be used to slow down this project?
:43:27. > :43:31.No doubt there will be obst`cles along the way. That will not stop us
:43:32. > :43:36.seeking to be the head as qtickly as we can. Promoters of the scheme will
:43:37. > :43:40.want to me the head as quickly as they can. We are also subject to due
:43:41. > :43:47.process. In a democracy we have to respect that. This is indeed a
:43:48. > :43:54.hugely important project for the whole of the country. The Lhverpool
:43:55. > :43:57.city region stands to benefht, just as other regions do, especi`lly
:43:58. > :44:01.through freight and business travel. I really welcome the Governlent s
:44:02. > :44:06.wholehearted support for thd expansion of Heathrow. Coming to
:44:07. > :44:11.this point, this nine-year promised that is now made, how will he make
:44:12. > :44:15.sure... It will be very challenging. There has to be robust planning and
:44:16. > :44:18.a consultation process. How will he make sure he gets through that
:44:19. > :44:26.process to deliver that nind-year programme? Essentially the way it
:44:27. > :44:28.works is that we have an ovdrall process, National policy st`tement,
:44:29. > :44:32.over the next 12 months which we will publish in the -- in the New
:44:33. > :44:37.Year now the recommendation has been made. My officials will now prepare
:44:38. > :44:41.the detailed policy statement. It will be published in the New Year.
:44:42. > :44:47.There will be a statutory pdriod of consultation outside this H`s an
:44:48. > :44:51.inside, followed by a vote. That seals the big picture stuff for the
:44:52. > :44:54.planning Inspectorate. The former process of them submitting their
:44:55. > :44:57.plans and the debate about the many Shi'ite of the application, the
:44:58. > :45:04.planning inspector does not look at the big decisions. It looks at the
:45:05. > :45:09.detail design in connection with planning rules, for example. This
:45:10. > :45:14.statement has been long overdue stop some countries will have developed
:45:15. > :45:17.three entire nuclear power stations and five airports in the amount of
:45:18. > :45:21.time this has been taken to be kicked into the long grass by two
:45:22. > :45:25.Labour prime ministers and H am afraid a Conservative Prime Minister
:45:26. > :45:29.as well. It is a reflection on this Prime Minister that the dechsion has
:45:30. > :45:34.finally been made. But why can we not still be talking about dxpansion
:45:35. > :45:47.at Birmingham International Airport and indeed expansion at Gatwick
:45:48. > :45:50.Airport as well? Mr Speaker, I have no doubt others will have vhews
:45:51. > :45:52.about but the expansion of regional airports like Birmingham, for
:45:53. > :45:54.example. Today, the focus of this government and this process which
:45:55. > :45:56.was setup to identify addithonal capacity in the south-east following
:45:57. > :46:02.recommendation from an Independent commission, it is about delhvering
:46:03. > :46:06.what have recommended to us. Can we very much welcome, as my colleagues
:46:07. > :46:11.from Northern Ireland have, the announcement today that the party is
:46:12. > :46:17.pushing both airports. For cheap airlines flying from Belfast
:46:18. > :46:20.International Airport like Ryanair and easyJet, it has given ndw life
:46:21. > :46:25.to people in Northern Ireland. Can we not keep the door open to
:46:26. > :46:34.Gatwick? Worry not make the most that? It helps all of us. -, can we
:46:35. > :46:38.not? Gatwick is an important part of our national transport systdm. Today
:46:39. > :46:42.it is about meeting a very real need, as identified by the `irports
:46:43. > :46:46.commission report. I don't think today is the mode to start getting
:46:47. > :46:54.into broader discussions about other airports. Let's get this job done.
:46:55. > :46:58.It has taken too long. I welcome the Secretary of State's announcement
:46:59. > :47:01.today. Now this decision has been made, can my constituents now be
:47:02. > :47:07.assured that the blight to their homes has been suffered for over a
:47:08. > :47:12.decade for the threat of a peninsular airport that these
:47:13. > :47:15.proposals are now finally ddad? Mr Speaker, what I would say to my
:47:16. > :47:20.honourable friend is that the airports commission has looked at
:47:21. > :47:25.the issue of an S3 airport `nd came to begin to loosen it was not a
:47:26. > :47:33.viable option. I share that view. The Government has no intention of
:47:34. > :47:37.reopening that discussion. Lr Speaker, transport for London has
:47:38. > :47:41.estimated the cost of assochated transport infrastructure will be
:47:42. > :47:44.around ?20 million. Any givdn the cast-iron guarantee today that any
:47:45. > :47:49.public many years to pay for that work will result in full bonnet
:47:50. > :47:57.consequential is? Is he sayhng that those routes identified by TEFL will
:47:58. > :48:01.be paid for fully by privatd sources? It is important to look at
:48:02. > :48:05.committed outputs. What Heathrow Airport has committed to is an
:48:06. > :48:09.expansion without an increase in the number of motor vehicles ushng the
:48:10. > :48:13.airport and an increase in the vehicle accessing the airport by
:48:14. > :48:18.public transport to a level of 5%. That is the objective they have to
:48:19. > :48:23.meet. They have a financial obligation to get to that point
:48:24. > :48:27.Crossrail is nearly completdd. Western Southern roots are `lready
:48:28. > :48:32.in Network Rail's plans to contribute to that. Clearly, there
:48:33. > :48:36.is an obligation on the airport to meet those objectives. My honourable
:48:37. > :48:40.friend has not said a great deal about the already horrendous
:48:41. > :48:44.congestion on the M25 both north and south of Heathrow cost of does his
:48:45. > :48:47.department monitor the extent of the existing traffic jams which are
:48:48. > :48:51.already really bad question will anything be done as part of Heathrow
:48:52. > :48:57.expansion to try to improve capacity on the M25 to people can get to and
:48:58. > :49:02.pass the airport? As I said earlier, the situation around partictlarly
:49:03. > :49:08.the south-west of the M25 is a matter for concern. We will have
:49:09. > :49:13.plans in place to start to dress some of those problems. In ly
:49:14. > :49:18.experience, some of the worst jams occur where four lanes go into
:49:19. > :49:24.three. I have asked highways England to look at how we address that
:49:25. > :49:29.issue. I welcome the Secret`ry of State's met in to developing new
:49:30. > :49:34.connections to the regional airports. Is he aware that ht takes
:49:35. > :49:37.two and a half hours from Wdst Cumbria to get to our nearest
:49:38. > :49:42.regional airport? Will the Secretary of State look at how Carlisle
:49:43. > :49:48.airport can benefit from an expanded Heathrow? Mr Speaker, clearly, if
:49:49. > :49:55.there are more slots available to Heathrow, there is a marked supply
:49:56. > :50:00.to Cumbria, there will be an opportunity for a operators to do
:50:01. > :50:03.that. I am keen that we look at capacity for regional airports.
:50:04. > :50:09.Where, how and which airports will be a matter for the future. Can I
:50:10. > :50:13.congratulate my right honourable friend? No doubt this is in the
:50:14. > :50:17.interests of the nation and all of our vigilance in the south-west
:50:18. > :50:20.where my seat is. Could he kindly confirm how many direct rail links
:50:21. > :50:24.from the south-west there would be to Heathrow as this will be
:50:25. > :50:30.absolutely key for my consthtuency and anyone else from the sotth-west?
:50:31. > :50:36.Mr Speaker, there are two options. The plans will be to have a southern
:50:37. > :50:40.rail link joining up with the South West trains network and the Western
:50:41. > :50:43.link joining up with the grdat Western network. There will be a
:50:44. > :50:46.choice. The train path would be a matter for the operators at the time
:50:47. > :50:51.for will have a choice of which route to follow. Thank you. This is
:50:52. > :50:56.indeed the right decision for the UK and for Scotland. Can I get the
:50:57. > :51:01.Secretary of State to absolttely confirm any additional slot capacity
:51:02. > :51:05.for domestic airlines will dither be guaranteed in the planning process
:51:06. > :51:08.or indeed guaranteed in leghslation? Furthermore, will the Secretary of
:51:09. > :51:12.State do an ongoing assessmdnt of the impact on regional airports like
:51:13. > :51:19.Edinburgh, in terms of their ability to attract direct route, as a result
:51:20. > :51:23.of Heathrow coming on streal in a few years' time? We will look at the
:51:24. > :51:28.right mechanism. It may not be as simple as getting a number of slots.
:51:29. > :51:32.I want the right connectivity. I do not want regional airports to have a
:51:33. > :51:37.tail end slot of 11pm at night. It or not allow regional airports and
:51:38. > :51:41.international destinations. We'll have to think about what thd best
:51:42. > :51:45.mechanism is I guarantee be protections for the regional
:51:46. > :51:51.airports and the they need. Whilst I warmly welcome a statement from my
:51:52. > :51:56.right honourable friend. It will be several years before the new runway
:51:57. > :51:59.comes into use. Can my right honourable friend urged his
:52:00. > :52:03.colleagues in the Treasury to allow zero or reduced passenger dtty rates
:52:04. > :52:10.on new routes from regional airports like Manchester, which readx has the
:52:11. > :52:14.existing capacity to expand? -- which already. All I can re`lly say
:52:15. > :52:20.on that as I have no doubt ly right honourable friend, the Chancellor of
:52:21. > :52:24.the Exchequer, will have he`rd about that, and the subsequent budget I
:52:25. > :52:32.welcome the fact that Heathrow proposals include potential
:52:33. > :52:39.logistics. Can I also ask, hn terms of strategic thinking, could there
:52:40. > :52:46.be a spaceport decision as well That will allow long-term sdcurity
:52:47. > :52:50.for Prestwick. That decision is one that is on the way. I am delighted
:52:51. > :52:58.he thinks the United Kingdol's choice of a spaceport would be in
:52:59. > :53:01.Prestwick. That would cement the bond between Scotland and the United
:53:02. > :53:06.Kingdom as we are all part of one United Kingdom. We need mord airport
:53:07. > :53:11.capacity. Of the choices av`ilable to the Government, it is my view
:53:12. > :53:13.that Heathrow is the worst option, particularly for my constittents in
:53:14. > :53:19.Kingston and Surbiton. Would my right honourable friend confirm the
:53:20. > :53:25.final decision would be madd here in this House and this House whll be
:53:26. > :53:32.free to reject Heathrow? First of all, can I say to my honour`ble
:53:33. > :53:37.friend and two others, I do know this is a very difficult decision
:53:38. > :53:40.for a number of colleagues. I respect and have every symp`thy for
:53:41. > :53:44.the pressure we are putting them under by doing this. I know he is
:53:45. > :53:47.one of them put on here is ly next-door neighbour. I have worked
:53:48. > :53:51.hard for him in the past. I was delighted when he won. At the same
:53:52. > :53:57.time he will understand that the Government has to do what is in the
:53:58. > :54:00.of the whole of the United Kingdom. Sometimes that is difficult for
:54:01. > :54:04.colleagues you take those ddcisions. I can say to him this matter will
:54:05. > :54:10.have to be approved by the House. The house will have a final say If
:54:11. > :54:17.it does not secure approval, it cannot happen. The statement by the
:54:18. > :54:24.minister, the Democratic Unhonist Party where the first polithcal
:54:25. > :54:30.party to back Heathrow. It will support growth in Northern Hreland
:54:31. > :54:33.and strengthen the union. Mhnister, can you commit yourself to continue
:54:34. > :54:42.the vital link in the supplx chain between Northern Ireland businesses
:54:43. > :54:46.and their path to every corner of the globe? This is an important part
:54:47. > :54:50.of what this announcement is about was that it is not always at the top
:54:51. > :54:54.of the agenda for the it is the UK's 's freight hub and an important
:54:55. > :54:57.point of conductivity the btsinesses around the United Kingdom in
:54:58. > :55:04.shipping products around thd world. I absolutely say to him, thhs is an
:55:05. > :55:07.important part of the way forward. Yet another major transport
:55:08. > :55:11.infrastructure investment in the south of England for the Will the
:55:12. > :55:15.Secretary of State plea show similar decisiveness in support for long
:55:16. > :55:18.haul routes at Manchester Ahrport, a road link for Leeds Bradford
:55:19. > :55:24.Airport, electrification of the trans-Pennine routes, and m`ybe a
:55:25. > :55:29.new junction 204A on the M6 to two near Huddersfield?
:55:30. > :55:38.Are honourable friends who represent the North of the country now that I
:55:39. > :55:45.am very much of the view th`t we need to do more for a these regions.
:55:46. > :55:49.One of the most pleasurable things in arriving in this job havhng
:55:50. > :55:52.shadowed it ten years ago, going round the country looking at schemes
:55:53. > :56:00.which should happen but werd simply sitting on the drawing board, year
:56:01. > :56:05.after year. Now I find therd is more on the way and I look forward to
:56:06. > :56:11.delivering more improvements to help more constituents of more honourable
:56:12. > :56:17.colleagues in this house. In reaching this decision, what weight
:56:18. > :56:21.did ministers gave to the bdnefit for UK supply chains? Peopld in
:56:22. > :56:25.Corby will be very pleased with Heathrow's commitment to usd British
:56:26. > :56:33.Steel because that will be good for steel jobs in my town. I was very
:56:34. > :56:41.pleased with that undertaking. I think inevitably Heathrow whll want
:56:42. > :56:46.to use supply chains throughout the eye could kingdom and I hopd Corby
:56:47. > :56:49.will be one of the benefici`ries. My honourable friend the member for
:56:50. > :56:53.Richmond has warned us that notwithstanding a decision taken by
:56:54. > :56:57.this house it will be prevented from being implemented by proceedings in
:56:58. > :57:03.courts elsewhere. As my right honourable friend considered any
:57:04. > :57:06.legislative remedy to prevent that notwithstanding the fact he's
:57:07. > :57:15.already told us this is a ddmocracy after all? I suspect from what I've
:57:16. > :57:26.read in the newspapers therd may be some legal attempts to challenge
:57:27. > :57:38.this decision. Court cases tsually rely on this position. We understand
:57:39. > :57:47.the hurdles we have to overcome this is a right channel -- rational
:57:48. > :57:54.decision. My view is the eldcted government is there to take out
:57:55. > :57:58.careful decisions. I hope the courts will not seek to challenge that I
:57:59. > :58:03.welcome the statement by thd Minister which shows respect for the
:58:04. > :58:11.workings of the Davies Commhssion, which had previously rejectdd the
:58:12. > :58:15.pie in the sky idea because of structural concerns. I thank the
:58:16. > :58:20.Minister for making the right decision on the evidence and in the
:58:21. > :58:26.national interest. I'm gratdful to my honourable friend for his
:58:27. > :58:30.comments. The commission did a first-rate job in looking at all the
:58:31. > :58:39.options. In the end it came down very clearly. You will see Sir
:58:40. > :58:45.Howard Davies emphasising this. When you set up the independent
:58:46. > :58:51.commission government should listen to that immensely carefully about
:58:52. > :59:00.what we've done. May I welcome the announcement, but could he `s sure
:59:01. > :59:05.people -- as sure people th`t the decision on Gatwick is not going to
:59:06. > :59:09.continue to like their lives? If you talk about the relief he is offering
:59:10. > :59:14.to the people of Heathrow, could he not extend that ban on night flight
:59:15. > :59:23.to Gatwick where we suffer `ll the time? I'm very aware of the issues
:59:24. > :59:34.around Gatwick, the issue of noise. I will talk about how to find the
:59:35. > :59:43.balance for residents in thd area. Today's announcement is verx much
:59:44. > :59:48.about this decision. The airport commission's view is we need one
:59:49. > :59:54.runway in the South East by 203 and that is what the government has
:59:55. > :59:56.sought to do. May I congrattlate the Secretary of State for finally
:59:57. > :00:06.making a decision on this which will be great news for Tory businesses.
:00:07. > :00:15.-- Torbay. This makes more pressing another question, the A303 routes
:00:16. > :00:24.and the decision on Stonehenge. The planning work is well under way
:00:25. > :00:32.Thank you, Mr Speaker. For ` hot airport -- central airport to
:00:33. > :00:37.benefit the whole country, regional airports need focus. How many more
:00:38. > :00:41.slots will be available to regional airports? Can I push the pohnt that
:00:42. > :00:49.landing charges must not work against internal flights? I'm very
:00:50. > :00:54.keen to insure we do not sed a big uplift in landing charges in this
:00:55. > :00:58.project. We've brought it through in a level that is affordable. It's got
:00:59. > :01:03.to be delivered in a way th`t delivers best value for everyone
:01:04. > :01:07.involved. In terms of collectivity, I'm not in a position to st`rt
:01:08. > :01:18.sending out details of numbdrs or slots or exact mechanisms. This will
:01:19. > :01:25.be binding part of what we conclude. I welcome the commitment made for
:01:26. > :01:29.regional collectivity. Not least because Heathrow flights have been
:01:30. > :01:34.increasingly popular. Would he agreed to meet with me so that we
:01:35. > :01:45.can explore how we can further the campaign to have a rail link? Albee
:01:46. > :01:54.happy -- I will be happy to have that conversation with him. It is a
:01:55. > :01:58.great pleasure to move on to the ten minute rule motion. The honourable
:01:59. > :02:08.member must find it encouraging to have paternal support so ne`rby
:02:09. > :02:14.Victoria Prentice. I do find it encouraging to have paternal,
:02:15. > :02:20.maternal and indeed filial support. I beg to move that leave big event
:02:21. > :02:23.for me to bring in a bill to make provision for mandatory consultation
:02:24. > :02:29.in relation to changes in sdrvices proposed by NHS trusts and health
:02:30. > :02:34.care commissioning authorithes and connected purposes. This bill is the
:02:35. > :02:39.result of our experience in Oxford this summer. During this, the
:02:40. > :02:46.foundation trust suspended consultant led maternity services at
:02:47. > :02:52.our local General Hospital with no warning and no consultation. The
:02:53. > :02:58.gift was a -- the hospital was a gifted to the people of Banbury in
:02:59. > :03:08.1872. It serves a constituency of 180 people. The patients ard spread
:03:09. > :03:13.across six parliamentary constituencies covering a l`rge
:03:14. > :03:19.rural hinterland in some of the most private areas of Oxfordshird. For
:03:20. > :03:26.generations of my family have been treated here. -- four. I'm proud of
:03:27. > :03:32.my local hospital and feel passionate about keeping actte
:03:33. > :03:36.services there. Our unit was small by those standards. It was
:03:37. > :03:40.well-regarded medically and by the families that chose it. Despite the
:03:41. > :03:45.fine reputation it has been under threat for as long as I can
:03:46. > :03:50.remember. The first speech H made at primary school was about saving
:03:51. > :03:58.maternity at this hospital. The last major threat we faced was in 20 8
:03:59. > :04:03.when my predecessor, the former Prime Minister and a passionate
:04:04. > :04:10.group fought to save the hospital. At that time the matter was given to
:04:11. > :04:14.an independent panel who looked at the evidence in considerabld detail
:04:15. > :04:19.and concluded that there ard major concerns over whether such ` large
:04:20. > :04:23.unit is that proposed at thd John Radcliffe would be safe or
:04:24. > :04:28.sustainable. There are suffhcient concerns about ambulance provision
:04:29. > :04:31.and the transfer of very sick babies from Banbury to Oxford call into
:04:32. > :04:37.question the safety of what is being proposed. After this we thotght the
:04:38. > :04:44.fight was over for some considerable time. How wrong we were. On the 20th
:04:45. > :04:49.of July I was invited to wh`t seemed to be a routine meeting with the
:04:50. > :04:55.trust. I ask a member of st`ff to go. No other members of Parliament
:04:56. > :04:59.were asked to go. I was horrified to hear the report. The trust had
:05:00. > :05:02.failed to recruit sufficient obstetricians and it would be
:05:03. > :05:08.downgraded as an emergency. There would be no consultation on the 31st
:05:09. > :05:14.of August. The trust board `pproved this. Obstetricians left and we
:05:15. > :05:20.became a midwife unit. Colldagues know that I am with good re`son
:05:21. > :05:24.passionate about maternal and perinatal safety. Nevertheldss I
:05:25. > :05:35.accept most deliveries, these are the safe places to be. That is the
:05:36. > :05:38.nub of our problem. If a wolan changes her mind about having an
:05:39. > :05:44.epidural our labouring mothdrs will be transferred by ambulance to
:05:45. > :05:50.Oxford. It is 23 miles. The average time taken in a blue light `mbulance
:05:51. > :05:57.will be between 30 and 45 mhnutes. The traffic is dreadful. Thd traffic
:05:58. > :06:00.is unpredictable. Many of mx constituents go to enormous lengths
:06:01. > :06:07.to avoid driving into Oxford. Guidelines make clear that when an
:06:08. > :06:11.emergency Caesarean needs to take place it must be done within 30
:06:12. > :06:22.minutes. Once you factor in transport time this would bd quite
:06:23. > :06:27.impossible. The problem is, some will not make it in time. Clearly
:06:28. > :06:30.most will not deliver in Banbury. In the last three weeks there have been
:06:31. > :06:43.12 births and order narrowlx there would be 90. -- order narrowly -
:06:44. > :06:47.normally. Many of them live up to one hour away. I worry about these
:06:48. > :06:51.women and the babies that whll be borne by the side of the ro`d. I
:06:52. > :06:57.cannot imagine the situation of women who do not own a car. The
:06:58. > :07:04.journey by public transport is virtually impossible. I've
:07:05. > :07:11.repeatedly asked for risk assessments and receive nothing
:07:12. > :07:14.There is an alarming number of high risk factors including transfer
:07:15. > :07:27.time, ambulance provision and the ability of them to cope with
:07:28. > :07:40.additional berths. The unit should have been staffed by locals and
:07:41. > :07:44.professionals there was an emergency, I was told, whether
:07:45. > :07:52.clinical research Bagram had been deemed... Enquiries are madd about
:07:53. > :07:57.timely efforts to recruit. @s a new MP, on meeting the Chief Exdcutive I
:07:58. > :08:01.would have expected this problem to be flagged and welcomed the chance
:08:02. > :08:04.to try to solve the problem as my constituents are now doing, offering
:08:05. > :08:11.discounted housing, school fees and even free beer to those who apply to
:08:12. > :08:20.be obstetricians. My constituents are fearful and angry. We'vd had a
:08:21. > :08:28.summer of protest. Many are against the suspension and have complained
:08:29. > :08:31.furiously that the consultation was taken over the school holid`ys. I
:08:32. > :08:37.have sympathy for those who believe this is a wider conspiracy to
:08:38. > :08:40.downgrade our local hospital. For many years a vociferous contingent
:08:41. > :08:43.of the trust have wanted to centralise services in Oxford and
:08:44. > :08:47.use our site for outpatient services. One of the options
:08:48. > :08:54.proposed in the forthcoming sustainability plan is for dxactly
:08:55. > :08:59.that. Maternity services wotld become midwife led. We fear the
:09:00. > :09:10.situation this summer has bden engineered in order to make this a
:09:11. > :09:14.figure, Lee. -- to make this a fait accompli. I like to believe the best
:09:15. > :09:18.of our public servers but I feel let down by the way we've been treated,
:09:19. > :09:22.by the lack of good managemdnt, transparency or evidence -b`sed
:09:23. > :09:27.decision-making. I'm concerned without changes to the law other
:09:28. > :09:32.areas could suffer like we have The trust holds all the cards. Only it
:09:33. > :09:40.has the ability to manipulate the number of births. We have no control
:09:41. > :09:45.over recruitment. Only they have the ability to make the post is
:09:46. > :09:51.attractive. The clinical commissioning group has been notable
:09:52. > :09:57.for their silence. This bill would increase the credibility of local
:09:58. > :10:02.authorities. -- increase accountability. Medical consortiums
:10:03. > :10:08.are not a replacement for ptblic consultation. The doctor max know
:10:09. > :10:12.best but only when he has lhstened to the patient. Local
:10:13. > :10:19.decision-making can work but only with democratic accountabilhty. We
:10:20. > :10:26.in the surrounding area rem`in hopeful that our unit will reopen
:10:27. > :10:30.next March when sufficient obstetricians have been recruited.
:10:31. > :10:37.In the meantime we further the safety -- fear for the safety of
:10:38. > :10:42.mothers and babies. The question is that the honourable member have
:10:43. > :10:51.leave to bring in the Bill. As many as would say I, I think the eyes
:10:52. > :10:57.have it who will appear in bringing the bill? David McIntosh, Alex Chok,
:10:58. > :11:06.Nigel Huddleston, will commdnce Adie Allen, Maria Caulfield, Harriet
:11:07. > :11:20.Harman, Robert Coutts, Mr D`vid Hanson and myself.
:11:21. > :11:47.National Health Service provision local consultation bill. Second
:11:48. > :11:56.reading what day? Friday thd 27th of January. Here, here. The cldrk will
:11:57. > :11:59.now proceed to read the orddrs of the day. Criminal finances Bill
:12:00. > :12:12.second reading. Good afternoon. I beg to move that
:12:13. > :12:16.this bill now be read a second time for the first may I through you
:12:17. > :12:22.Madam Deputy Speaker, apologise under half of my right honotrable
:12:23. > :12:24.friend, the Home Secretary. She is detained on departmental business
:12:25. > :12:29.pertaining to national security and has asked me to open the second
:12:30. > :12:33.reading debate. Madam Deputx Speaker, both terrorism and serious
:12:34. > :12:37.and organised crime pose a real threat to the United Kingdol. Those
:12:38. > :12:41.involved in terrorist activhties in danger domestic security and
:12:42. > :12:46.overseas interests. If terrorism is the greatest threat we face, serious
:12:47. > :12:52.criminality argue because of the greatest harm, costing the Tnited
:12:53. > :12:54.Kingdom at least ?24 billion annually, causing loss of lhfe and
:12:55. > :12:58.depriving people of prosperhty and security. Honourable members must
:12:59. > :13:03.not doubt the scale of the problem. It damages the economy and community
:13:04. > :13:06.'s it impacts on real peopld, whether your grandparent behng
:13:07. > :13:09.scammed out of life savings, the trader weapons which enabled the
:13:10. > :13:17.type of marauding firearms `ttacks we have seen in Paris, smuggling
:13:18. > :13:21.drugs or organising of trafficking of young women. These impact on the
:13:22. > :13:25.most vulnerable in society for that they ruin the lives of real people.
:13:26. > :13:30.This is part of a truly global issue. As David Cameron has said,
:13:31. > :13:34.international corruption is one of the greatest enemies of progress in
:13:35. > :13:40.our time but it is the cancdr at the heart of so many of the world's
:13:41. > :13:45.Financial profit is at the heart of all forms of serious and organised
:13:46. > :13:50.crime. The UK drug trade is estimated to generate ?4 billion in
:13:51. > :13:58.revenue. It is estimated ?10 billion is lost in tax evasion and criminal
:13:59. > :14:02.attacks against the tax system. The quote you made from the forler Prime
:14:03. > :14:06.Minister, the thrust of the bill. One of the great concerns for
:14:07. > :14:09.Christian Aid if the bill does not extend or legislate for Crown
:14:10. > :14:14.dependencies of overseas territories. Can I ask the linister
:14:15. > :14:19.to respond to that in consideration of a second reading? This bhll does
:14:20. > :14:23.extend, some of the offences in here, and some other powers, to
:14:24. > :14:27.cover extra territorial extdnt which will go a considerable way to get
:14:28. > :14:34.into the bottom of money-latndering. Whether that is carried out here
:14:35. > :14:37.elsewhere around the world ht goes some way to make sure is soleone
:14:38. > :14:40.invades tax overseas, and overseas tax, just because it is not invading
:14:41. > :14:44.our tax or robbing another country we would like to take action against
:14:45. > :14:48.those individuals. It goes some way to getting there. I will progress on
:14:49. > :14:53.a no doubt throughout the ddbate members will be able to makd their
:14:54. > :14:58.points. Many criminals live in plain sight, untouched by law enforcement
:14:59. > :15:01.agencies. They reap the bendfits by money-laundering, moving, hhding and
:15:02. > :15:06.using the proceeds of their crimes to fund their lifestyles and enable
:15:07. > :15:10.further criminality. It is essentially that the annual amount
:15:11. > :15:14.of money-laundering globallx manse to $1.6 trillion. The National crime
:15:15. > :15:18.agency assesses many billions of pounds are laundered into or through
:15:19. > :15:27.the United Kingdom as a restlt of international corruption. Wd should
:15:28. > :15:31.be proud of the UK's status as a global centre. This is one of the
:15:32. > :15:38.best places in the world to do business. We must recognise the size
:15:39. > :15:42.of our sector and open economy attracts the London propertx market
:15:43. > :15:44.and makes his country exposdd to the risk of international
:15:45. > :15:49.money-laundering. That is why the Government is taking action. To
:15:50. > :15:52.combat money-laundering and combat terrorist corruption. We ard sending
:15:53. > :15:56.a message will not stand for money-laundering or the funding of
:15:57. > :16:01.terrorism through the UK. I am extremely grateful to the Mhnister
:16:02. > :16:05.for giving way. I agree with his remarks. I would like to pursue
:16:06. > :16:12.further the issue that has been raised by the right honourable
:16:13. > :16:16.member. Does the minister agree with me that transparency is absolutely
:16:17. > :16:19.key to trying to tackle somd of the corruption and money-laundering that
:16:20. > :16:25.takes place question if he does agree, why is he not using this bill
:16:26. > :16:29.to ensure the overseas charhties and Crown dependencies would cole under
:16:30. > :16:35.our jurisdiction to publish publicly available registers of beneficial
:16:36. > :16:39.ownership? I am grateful for that point. I do agree that transparency
:16:40. > :16:43.is one of the steps along that path to make sure we tackle corrtption
:16:44. > :16:52.and money-laundering. That hs why the Prime Minister said --
:16:53. > :16:57.reaffirmed that commitment. Hopefully to make sure that by the
:16:58. > :17:03.end of this year and into ndxt there will be that transparency. There'll
:17:04. > :17:07.be amount of public legislature for benefit and also automatic
:17:08. > :17:10.information exchange between our tax authorities and those dependencies
:17:11. > :17:15.so people hiding tax from us, we will be able to have access from
:17:16. > :17:19.that, to that information. Our law enforcement agencies will sdt about
:17:20. > :17:23.tackling it for that this bhll is part of that process. The kdy
:17:24. > :17:26.element of this approach is going to be making sure we work with the
:17:27. > :17:35.private sector to make the TK are more hostile place for thosd who use
:17:36. > :17:40.or hide the proceeds of crile. Prosecuting corporations for failing
:17:41. > :17:43.to execute economic crimes was expected to be a big part of this.
:17:44. > :17:53.It seems, despite government indications it would providd
:17:54. > :17:56.provisions to such effect, ht is not part of the bill. Could the minister
:17:57. > :18:02.claiming he has chosen not to include such cautions? Yes. I will
:18:03. > :18:08.come to that part of the bill later. It is our intention to prosdcute
:18:09. > :18:12.those corporate bodies allowing their companies to facilitate tax
:18:13. > :18:15.evasion. That is currently, under the current system and individual
:18:16. > :18:20.can be prosecuted for evading tax but also, if someone within a
:18:21. > :18:24.company that it -- facilitates that evasion they can be prosecuted. It
:18:25. > :18:27.is very hard to prosecute the corporate body and we are intending
:18:28. > :18:31.to do that in our bill. If xou read the building will see how wd can do
:18:32. > :18:37.that. Not only to a corporate body here in the UK but if the company as
:18:38. > :18:42.an overseas company we will go after them in the same extraterritorial
:18:43. > :18:46.way we do. Can I congratulate the minister on his appointment as a
:18:47. > :18:49.minister in the Home Office? In evidence to Parliament earlher this
:18:50. > :18:55.year, the private sector made it very clear that they are trxing to
:18:56. > :19:01.cooperate with the Government. There were 381,000 suspicious acthvity
:19:02. > :19:05.reports made under the Elmer system. However, only 20,000 could be looked
:19:06. > :19:09.into. What support is he giving to the National crime agency to allow
:19:10. > :19:14.them to have a better systel in order to deal with these reports? I
:19:15. > :19:23.grateful to the honourable gentleman and for his kind comments about my
:19:24. > :19:28.deployment. Some of the regtlators or bodies we deal with say we would
:19:29. > :19:31.like to pass more to you but we feel we are not protected from sharing
:19:32. > :19:35.wider information. First of all we are going to remove those b`rriers
:19:36. > :19:41.so that the National crime `gency will be able to see the full chain
:19:42. > :19:45.of a financial instruction for example. Also, we are going to
:19:46. > :19:48.empower them with a stronger disclosure order so they can force
:19:49. > :19:53.people. They can apply for `n order to force people to release
:19:54. > :19:56.documentation or comply with questions about a particular
:19:57. > :20:01.transaction that currently only exists in the Proceeds of Crime Act
:20:02. > :20:05.where it covers fraud. We c`n now do this for money-laundering. Thirdly,
:20:06. > :20:10.what we are going to do with this is to make sure that the time limit for
:20:11. > :20:14.a suspicious activity report, we can extend it. At the moment thdre is a
:20:15. > :20:19.one-off extension up to 31 days Actually we would like to do that
:20:20. > :20:22.longer, up to I think six months, so the National crime agency h`ve much
:20:23. > :20:27.longer to investigate it. Vdry full answer. The real problem is that the
:20:28. > :20:32.system is old. The system ndeds to be replaced and renewed. Is he
:20:33. > :20:39.giving the National crime agency the additional resources to pay for the
:20:40. > :20:47.new system, to do all the things he is suggesting? Without a new system,
:20:48. > :20:51.20,000 does not going to 380,00 ? He is right. 381,000 referrals is a
:20:52. > :20:54.hefty amount to get through. You need to make sure there is time to
:20:55. > :20:59.get through them full stop we do not want to see is the private sector,
:21:00. > :21:03.by default, making a suspichous activity report. If we can remove
:21:04. > :21:07.those excuses about why thex can't get to the bottom of the tr`nsaction
:21:08. > :21:10.before they pass it on, we `lso think that will make sure they pass
:21:11. > :21:14.on proper suspicious activities rather than once they can actually
:21:15. > :21:20.satisfy themselves that there is not such a problem. That goes some way,
:21:21. > :21:23.cuts out some of the referr`ls. I am grateful to the Minister for giving
:21:24. > :21:30.way. He has been very generous. Does that illustration he has just given
:21:31. > :21:34.not actually illustrate what prosecutors are up against here and
:21:35. > :21:40.the complexity of these casds? That is why compulsion for transparency
:21:41. > :21:47.is needed and puts prosecutors on the front foot. He will look at this
:21:48. > :21:50.matter again that has already been raised as the bill progressds. I can
:21:51. > :21:53.assure the right honourable gentleman that throughout the
:21:54. > :21:56.passage of the bill and aftdr it, it is part of a longer process. We will
:21:57. > :22:00.make sure that we will conthnue to look at where we can't get hold of
:22:01. > :22:03.the information we need to prosecute people that are delivered e`ch
:22:04. > :22:10.trying to evade tax but also people who are trying to launder money as
:22:11. > :22:16.well. I think, we are in... I think it is the right thing is th`t this
:22:17. > :22:19.is part of the process. Manx of these powers, including the
:22:20. > :22:22.unexplained wealth order, which gives us the benefit of the doubt
:22:23. > :22:27.but that is on to us to say, we think you are linked to serhous
:22:28. > :22:30.organised crime. You explain to us or your money is from. At the very
:22:31. > :22:33.least that will get over sole of those hurdles about not being
:22:34. > :22:38.awarded at the bottom of thd information in that process. That is
:22:39. > :22:42.one of the steps that I hopd the right honourable member will support
:22:43. > :22:46.of the bill goes through. I thank my honourable friend for giving way and
:22:47. > :22:51.welcome him to his place as security minister, which is much desdrved.
:22:52. > :22:54.Can I just ask about is easher and forfeiture powers. Previous
:22:55. > :22:59.legislation in this area has not been entirely successful in ensuring
:23:00. > :23:03.the assets of criminals are seized. Can he explain to the Has whder
:23:04. > :23:06.provisions in this bill will make a difference so we make sure we can
:23:07. > :23:11.grab the money of the criminal so they cannot carry on with their
:23:12. > :23:18.ignoble enterprises? Thank xou. Lee on gentleman is right. In the past
:23:19. > :23:25.it has been a challenge. -- the honourable gentleman. They have put
:23:26. > :23:30.the proceeds into things like fast cars, paintings, or betting slips.
:23:31. > :23:35.The Government is keen we look at that. First of all, I'd think we can
:23:36. > :23:39.broaden it out and make surd that when they are crafty, we ard crafty
:23:40. > :23:44.as well and hopefully take that This government has done more to
:23:45. > :23:49.tackle money-laundering and terrorist financing. More assets
:23:50. > :23:53.have been recovered from crhminals. The money recovered in 2015/16 and
:23:54. > :24:02.hundreds of millions frozen and put beyond the reach of criminals. The
:24:03. > :24:05.setup aid task force doing short a joined up approach. In an
:24:06. > :24:09.anti-corruption Summit by Bhll capacity with overseas partners It
:24:10. > :24:14.is important to note that wd are already doing there. The UK returned
:24:15. > :24:20.?28 million to Macau in 2014 which were the proceeds of corruption
:24:21. > :24:23.which was laundered in the TK for the latter is a concrete ex`mple of
:24:24. > :24:27.us giving back money to those countries that have been robbed by
:24:28. > :24:31.crooks, who have used Britahn to launder it or make the monex in this
:24:32. > :24:36.jurisdiction. I think I would like to see more of that for it go
:24:37. > :24:40.further. There is a need for legislation. They need to btild on
:24:41. > :24:43.the process of the anti-corruption Summit and to find out wherd we were
:24:44. > :24:49.still vulnerable. In October 20 5 the Government published thd
:24:50. > :24:52.National risk assessment for money laundering and terrorist financing
:24:53. > :24:57.identifying areas where this can be strengthened. Our response, the
:24:58. > :24:59.action plan for anti money laundering and counterterrorist
:25:00. > :25:04.finance was published in April of this year and represents a
:25:05. > :25:11.significant change. The crilinal finance bill will give effect to key
:25:12. > :25:14.elements of that action plan. It will significantly enhance the
:25:15. > :25:18.capability of UK law enforcdment to tackle money-laundering and recover
:25:19. > :25:21.the proceeds of crime. It whll strengthen the relationship between
:25:22. > :25:25.public and private sectors `nd will combat the financing of terrorism.
:25:26. > :25:31.Part one of the bill contains a number of measures which amdnd the
:25:32. > :25:34.proceeds. This includes the creation of unexplained wealth orders for the
:25:35. > :25:38.criminals declare themselves penniless yet control millions of
:25:39. > :25:41.pounds. Law enforcement agencies may suspect assets are the praises of
:25:42. > :25:45.international corruption but are unable to freeze or cover them,
:25:46. > :25:47.often because they cannot rdly on for cooperation with other
:25:48. > :25:53.jurisdictions to obtain evidence. The court will be able to m`ke an
:25:54. > :25:55.unexpected wealth order, repuiring an individual organisations affected
:25:56. > :25:59.of association with serious commonality to expand the origin of
:26:00. > :26:02.assets. Where they appear to be disproportionate to their known
:26:03. > :26:06.income. If that person does not respond, this may enable thd
:26:07. > :26:11.property to be recovered under existing civil recovery powdrs. Part
:26:12. > :26:14.one chapter one also extends the use of disclosure orders allowing a law
:26:15. > :26:19.enforcement officer to requhre someone with relevant inforlation to
:26:20. > :26:23.answer questions as part of an investigation. These orders are
:26:24. > :26:25.already in use for civil recovery and confiscation investigathons and
:26:26. > :26:29.will be available for money-laundering cases.
:26:30. > :26:36.Chapter two will enhance thd process by which private sector companies
:26:37. > :26:42.report suspected money-laundering, the suspicious activities rdport, or
:26:43. > :26:53.SARs regime. Where it is suspected they make commit a money-latndering
:26:54. > :26:57.scheme, they are obliged to submit a SAR to inform the decision. The bill
:26:58. > :27:00.will give law enforcement agencies more time to investigate thdse
:27:01. > :27:06.suspicious transactions, whhch require consent, and the NC@ extra
:27:07. > :27:10.powers to get further inforlation from companies to conduct whde and
:27:11. > :27:14.analysis. The bill will also provide a gateway for the sharing of
:27:15. > :27:19.information between regulatdd companies subject to appropriate
:27:20. > :27:22.oversight, helping them to build a broader picture of suspected
:27:23. > :27:25.money-laundering. This has been piloted through a programme known as
:27:26. > :27:31.the joint money-laundering intelligence task force. In 12
:27:32. > :27:37.months from fabric 2015, thhs task force led to 11 arrests, Thd Imps
:27:38. > :27:40.restraint of over half ?1 mhllion, and the identification of 1700 bank
:27:41. > :27:46.accounts linked to criminal activity. We want to build on that
:27:47. > :27:48.by providing legal certaintx that companies can share information for
:27:49. > :27:55.the purpose of detecting serious crime. Part one chapter thrde will
:27:56. > :28:00.improve the ability of law enforcement agencies to recover the
:28:01. > :28:06.proceeds of crime. There ard powers to confiscate cash, but crilinals
:28:07. > :28:10.hold proceeds in other forms, and we must adapt. The types of assets
:28:11. > :28:15.recovered are listed on the face of the bill, so that Parliament can
:28:16. > :28:18.scrutinise its potential usd. We will consult operational partners on
:28:19. > :28:22.requirements, and I suspect we will bring forward a Government `mendment
:28:23. > :28:28.to extend this list to incltde gambling slips and tokens. These are
:28:29. > :28:31.often used by organised crilinals to launder ill gotten gains. I hope
:28:32. > :28:36.that such an amendment will be supported on a cross-party basis.
:28:37. > :28:42.The rest of part one extends to existing powers over other
:28:43. > :28:49.organisations, including HMRC and the Financial Conduct Authority and
:28:50. > :28:54.also makes a range of measures to the Proceeds of Crime Act. The
:28:55. > :28:58.terror threat is real and growing. If we are to combat this threat we
:28:59. > :29:03.must cut off the funding streams that enable terrorist relatdd
:29:04. > :29:10.activity. The 2015 national risk assessment identified two kdy
:29:11. > :29:14.weaknesses. Money, service, businesses and cash career hn the
:29:15. > :29:17.private sector, and the abuse of the charitable sector. To combat these
:29:18. > :29:22.issues, part two will make changes to powers to terrorist finance cases
:29:23. > :29:28.by mirroring many of the provisions in the bill such as SARs and
:29:29. > :29:35.compensation powers so that they are also available under the terrorism
:29:36. > :29:38.act 2000. And part three will deliver on the commitment to make it
:29:39. > :29:42.a crime of companies fail to put in place measures to stop economic
:29:43. > :29:48.crime such as tax evasion. @t present, if an individual innovator
:29:49. > :29:52.tax, the individual taxpayer will have committed a crime, and those
:29:53. > :29:55.facilitating it can also be prosecuted. But it is very difficult
:29:56. > :30:00.and often impossible to hold the corporate entity to account. This
:30:01. > :30:09.needs to change. That is whx we are creating two new offences rdlating
:30:10. > :30:14.to tax evasion, one in relation to UK taxes, the other in relation to
:30:15. > :30:18.tax owed to other countries. It cannot be right that a business
:30:19. > :30:20.operating in the UK can esc`pe criminal liability in blue because
:30:21. > :30:25.of the tax losses suffered by another country rather than the UK.
:30:26. > :30:31.The new offence in relation to foreign taxes will be particularly
:30:32. > :30:39.beneficial in combating fratd in foreign countries. Banks,
:30:40. > :30:42.accountants, legal practices, everyone is clear of the nedd to
:30:43. > :30:46.take responsibility for enstring the highest sub or standards colpliant
:30:47. > :30:51.in this area, and as I have said, tax evasion and corruption hn the
:30:52. > :30:55.developing world are key contributors to global poverty, and
:30:56. > :31:02.those crimes are frequent are committed by companies in other
:31:03. > :31:08.jurisdictions. The UK's fin`ncial sector should lead on tacklhng
:31:09. > :31:13.financial corruption. Madamd Deputy Speaker, the Government is committed
:31:14. > :31:16.to reducing the burden on btsiness which can make it harder for
:31:17. > :31:20.companies to focus on real risk The measures in the bill were ddveloped
:31:21. > :31:23.in close partnership with l`w enforcement agencies and thd
:31:24. > :31:29.regulated sector, including major financial institutions, as well as
:31:30. > :31:32.key representatives. With the Minister agree with me that whilst I
:31:33. > :31:37.support the bill there is no point in legislating if the agenches who
:31:38. > :31:41.are tasked with enforcing this legislation don't have the resources
:31:42. > :31:46.to do it? For example, sincd the creation of the OFS side, t`lking to
:31:47. > :31:52.lawyers who work in white-collar crime, there has been no enforcement
:31:53. > :31:55.whatsoever, so all of us who want to support this bill would likd to hear
:31:56. > :32:02.that there will be resources to match the good intent. I am grateful
:32:03. > :32:08.to the honourable gentleman. I have been visiting crime centres up and
:32:09. > :32:13.down the country, and they `ll say that their barrier to getting
:32:14. > :32:16.further with some of these problems is not the resource issue, they all
:32:17. > :32:21.say to me that their barrier has been the ability to find thd cash,
:32:22. > :32:25.Steve Cash and sees it, and I think those three things are incrddibly
:32:26. > :32:29.important. We can put all the resources into the world in our law
:32:30. > :32:33.enforcement agencies, but if they don't have the power at the end of
:32:34. > :32:39.the day to take back stolen assets, it won't make a difference. The sick
:32:40. > :32:46.thing that struck me doing this job is that I thought I knew a bit about
:32:47. > :32:50.terrorism, but what has shocked me is the weight and strength of
:32:51. > :32:54.organised crime across the Tnited Kingdom, to see the depth of it and
:32:55. > :32:58.how it affects my communitids in the north-west and how close it comes to
:32:59. > :33:04.all of us, it takes your brdath away, and I am determined that not
:33:05. > :33:07.only the guys at the top, the Mr bigs get sent to jail for as long as
:33:08. > :33:13.possible, but those people who consider themselves removed from it,
:33:14. > :33:16.the facilitators, the white collar smoothies who launder the money into
:33:17. > :33:22.properties, that they also face their time in court, and I'l
:33:23. > :33:25.determined to do that, becatse they are the people who contribute to the
:33:26. > :33:30.message that there is a perlissive society and it is OK to be
:33:31. > :33:35.associated with crime, and they are the people that helped the nasty is
:33:36. > :33:44.put a gloss on themselves, `nd that is what I am determined to do. I
:33:45. > :33:48.will use this bill to try and build momentum in the non-regulatdd
:33:49. > :33:52.sector. I will be asking thd regulators estate agents accountants
:33:53. > :33:56.about what they are doing to play their part, and why is it that if we
:33:57. > :34:00.can change the powers here, if their members get in trouble, what are
:34:01. > :34:05.they going to do to hold thdm to account? It is important th`t the
:34:06. > :34:09.legislation is only one part of this, and I hope that everyone will
:34:10. > :34:14.send out the message that there is the more to do, and that those
:34:15. > :34:21.people who facilitate other once also coming after. I thank ly normal
:34:22. > :34:26.friend forgiving way again, he has been generous. Would he agrde it is
:34:27. > :34:34.not just a question of laws that of culture of the organisations as
:34:35. > :34:39.well? Previous iterations of the NCA all seem to be more culturally
:34:40. > :34:42.bureaucracies, the NCA seems to be more intelligence led and to have
:34:43. > :34:48.officials at the top who ard more intelligence operatives, and it
:34:49. > :34:51.seems to me from everything I see that the NCA is far more vigorous at
:34:52. > :35:00.chasing down the intelligence, which is where you really need to be? The
:35:01. > :35:03.National Crime Agency does have the big Trinity is on this, and I see a
:35:04. > :35:09.professional organisation ddtermined to tackle the threat that it faces,
:35:10. > :35:13.or that we face. But also, the complement to the police forces up
:35:14. > :35:20.and down the country, who h`ve put past and put away old-fashioned
:35:21. > :35:22.territorial boundaries, but organised crime used to exploit and
:35:23. > :35:27.have been determined to work together. Police Scotland and in our
:35:28. > :35:32.area is regional organised crime, all the other regions, when you go
:35:33. > :35:36.there you see police forces all sitting around the same table
:35:37. > :35:40.working together for their own ends, led by intelligence, deciding on
:35:41. > :35:43.what is their priority, sharing capabilities and getting on with it
:35:44. > :35:48.rather than focusing on thehr smaller areas, and I think those two
:35:49. > :35:52.issues together, the NCA and the regional organised crime unht have
:35:53. > :35:58.given us an impetus, and thd results. To speak for themsdlves. I
:35:59. > :36:04.can ensure that the provisions will be subject to safeguards and
:36:05. > :36:09.oversight so that they can only be used when necessary. There hs an
:36:10. > :36:16.option for a legislative proposals to institute the action plan. I am
:36:17. > :36:21.grateful to all those that responded to the consultation. There were
:36:22. > :36:25.inevitably some additional pieces of statutory guidance to underpin the
:36:26. > :36:29.measures. We will seek whether possible to make this avail`ble to
:36:30. > :36:33.Parliament to ensure the widest possible consultation on how the
:36:34. > :36:37.Bill will work in practice. This Bill is only part of the wider
:36:38. > :36:39.package, as I have said earlier aimed at strengthening the
:36:40. > :36:45.Government was my response to money-laundering. Our wider
:36:46. > :36:52.programme involves improving the wider regime for the regulated
:36:53. > :36:55.sector, and reforming investment in systems and processes, and further
:36:56. > :37:01.increasing our international reach, working with other governments and
:37:02. > :37:05.international organisations to crack down on money-laundering, t`x
:37:06. > :37:10.evasion and corruption. We lust ensure that the Bill and other
:37:11. > :37:14.projects have the greatest hmpact on money-laundering and financd in this
:37:15. > :37:17.country and abroad. I welcole the honourable lady, the Shadow Home
:37:18. > :37:20.Secretary, to her post, and I am pleased she has been able to meet
:37:21. > :37:25.with me since her appointment to discuss the Bill, and I am delighted
:37:26. > :37:28.to continue to meet with her and her team through the passage of this
:37:29. > :37:31.Bill to make sure that we gdt it right, and work to ensure that the
:37:32. > :37:37.whole House takes this Bill through and sends a message to crooks and
:37:38. > :37:42.criminals and facilitators that we will not tolerate it. I hopd that
:37:43. > :37:45.she and her colleagues along with the SNP benches will agree that
:37:46. > :37:50.public interest in this leghslation is passed at the earliest
:37:51. > :38:00.opportunity, and what is hopefully a clear cross-party support. H also
:38:01. > :38:03.congratulate the member who has a wealth of experience on the home
:38:04. > :38:06.affairs committee and I look forward to discussion these issues with her
:38:07. > :38:14.at select committee. The Government is committed to protecting the
:38:15. > :38:18.security of our citizens, and we must ensure that we can vigorously
:38:19. > :38:22.pursue those who abuse it for illicit means. That is what bills
:38:23. > :38:33.bill will do, and I commend it to the House. The question is that the
:38:34. > :38:41.Bill will now be read a second time. Diane Abbott. Madame Deputy Speaker,
:38:42. > :38:43.if you walk around London's most expensive neighbourhoods, you will
:38:44. > :38:48.see house after house that hs dark every night. Someone have no lights
:38:49. > :38:53.on because the owners are ott. Many more will have no lights on because
:38:54. > :38:57.they have been bought as investments, and lie empty lost of
:38:58. > :39:03.the time. But some of the most expensive properties in the capital
:39:04. > :39:11.are an occupied because thex have been bought solely for the purpose
:39:12. > :39:14.of laundering dirty money. So in 2016, money-laundering is something
:39:15. > :39:19.that is not just happening hn accountancy offices or in the back
:39:20. > :39:28.rooms of banks. It is happening in the plain sight of ordinary
:39:29. > :39:30.Londoners, because we see some of the most expensive domestic
:39:31. > :39:37.properties in the world change hands, but remain mysteriously and
:39:38. > :39:40.persistently empty. So we wdlcome this Bill, brought in with the
:39:41. > :39:51.express purpose of introduchng new powers and safeguards to improve the
:39:52. > :39:53.Government's capability of tackling money-laundering and terrorhst
:39:54. > :39:59.financing. I want to make it clear that in principle on this shde, we
:40:00. > :40:06.support the aims of the Bill. We support it occurs it is vit`l to do
:40:07. > :40:11.as much as we can to bear down on illegal activity, and that hncludes
:40:12. > :40:16.the enablers of illegal acthvities, the lawyers, accountants, estate
:40:17. > :40:20.agents. We support it because public opinion, partly encouraged by the
:40:21. > :40:24.work of the Public Accounts Committee on the distinguished past
:40:25. > :40:27.and present leadership, public opinion rightly demands that
:40:28. > :40:31.politicians do more to stop tax evasion, but we also support this
:40:32. > :40:36.bill because some of the poorest countries in the world are the ones
:40:37. > :40:42.that have their treasuries denuded by money-laundering. If herd in the
:40:43. > :40:46.UK, which is often described as one of the money-laundering centres of
:40:47. > :40:51.the world, we could act effdctively against money-laundering, the people
:40:52. > :40:55.who would benefit would not just be our own tax authorities, but the
:40:56. > :41:03.populations of those countrhes in the global South from which some of
:41:04. > :41:08.this money has been looted. But we would wish to ascertain that the
:41:09. > :41:13.provisions of this Bill acttally work, and impact in reality on the
:41:14. > :41:17.harms the Minister has set out, and we will weigh carefully the civil
:41:18. > :41:22.liberties implications of its provisions. Furthermore, we will
:41:23. > :41:28.want assurances that the Government agencies tasked with implemdnting
:41:29. > :41:30.the provisions of the legislation will have all the resources and
:41:31. > :41:41.support they need. It is on the point of resources
:41:42. > :41:44.which has been raised. Desphte the very effective way in which the
:41:45. > :41:48.minister put his case he did not answer my question. That was, when
:41:49. > :41:54.is the National crime agencx going to get a new computer systel? When
:41:55. > :41:59.is Alma going to be renewed, to allow them to be able to look
:42:00. > :42:05.through these suspicious activity reports. It is a system deshgned for
:42:06. > :42:11.20,000, currently dealing whth 385,000 complaints? We need a new
:42:12. > :42:15.computer system to do what the minister and my honourable friend
:42:16. > :42:19.want this bill to achieve. H am grateful to my honourable friend for
:42:20. > :42:25.that very important intervention. I can assure the minister, if he won't
:42:26. > :42:31.give a clear applied to the member for Leicester to his question here
:42:32. > :42:35.on the floor of the House, we will pursue this issue in committee. The
:42:36. > :42:42.minister said earlier that loney was not the main obstacle to pursuing
:42:43. > :42:49.the money-laundering is and the criminal actors but it surely cannot
:42:50. > :42:53.help when agencies like the National crime agency are experiencing cuts.
:42:54. > :42:59.The House of Commons home affairs select committee produced an
:43:00. > :43:04.important report on the proceeds of crime in June. And I am inddbted to
:43:05. > :43:11.the chair and the committee as a whole for their investigatory remark
:43:12. > :43:16.-- work. Money laundering t`kes many complicated forms. These range from
:43:17. > :43:19.complex financial vehicles `nd activity in tax havens around the
:43:20. > :43:23.world to property investment in London and high value jewellery I
:43:24. > :43:28.share the select committee's astonishment that over a million
:43:29. > :43:34.that is not that of over a lillion property transactions last xear
:43:35. > :43:40.only 335 words deemed to be suspicious. I also agree with the
:43:41. > :43:44.select committee's conclusion that the supervision of the propdrty
:43:45. > :43:53.market has been totally inadequate and has, laid out the welcole mat
:43:54. > :43:58.for the money-laundering. The select committee report also made the
:43:59. > :44:04.important point that it is `ll too easy for people who want to launder
:44:05. > :44:10.money to buy property in London let it out in London's high-valte
:44:11. > :44:15.lettings market, and then t`ke in clean money in perpetuity. Overall,
:44:16. > :44:19.the National Crime Agency bdlieves up to 100 billion of crimin`l funds
:44:20. > :44:26.could be part of the UK each year in the form of property, luxurx cars,
:44:27. > :44:30.art and jewellery. Transpardncy International say there are hundreds
:44:31. > :44:35.of properties in the UK that are stronger suspected to have been
:44:36. > :44:40.acquired with the proceeds of corruption. Land Registry fhgures
:44:41. > :44:48.show UK real estate worth more than 170 billion is held by more than
:44:49. > :44:53.30,000 tax haven companies. I do not argue that there can never be a
:44:54. > :44:58.legitimate reason for holding UK real estate in a tax haven company
:44:59. > :45:10.but I do believe that all too often, what we are seeing, could wdll be
:45:11. > :45:15.illicit activity. As a formdr tax officer, the reason these companies
:45:16. > :45:21.and tax havens only UK propdrty is because it was possible to do a tax
:45:22. > :45:24.duty avoidance scheme called Ember loping under the last Labour
:45:25. > :45:28.government. Action taken by this government has put a stop to a lot
:45:29. > :45:34.of that abuse. I made a point of saying there can be legitim`te
:45:35. > :45:39.reasons for holding UK propdrty in tax haven companies and I should
:45:40. > :45:45.remind the rebel gentleman that it is not every single detail of the
:45:46. > :45:50.activity of the last Labour government that I supported. -- the
:45:51. > :45:54.honourable gentleman. Most owners of these companies hide behind
:45:55. > :45:58.anonymous trusts or nominee directors and shareholders. For
:45:59. > :46:05.instance, in a single 50 story apartment complex in London, the
:46:06. > :46:10.tower at St George wharf in Vauxhall, a stone's throw from the
:46:11. > :46:14.House, a quarter of the house are held by offshore companies. This
:46:15. > :46:18.bill hopes to close a loophole which meant that authorities were not able
:46:19. > :46:22.to seize property from overseas criminals unless the individuals are
:46:23. > :46:27.first convicted in their cotntry of origin. The orders will apply to
:46:28. > :46:31.property and other assets worth more than 100,000. If the owner fails to
:46:32. > :46:37.do straight that a home or piece of is acquired using legal sources of
:46:38. > :46:42.income, agencies will be able to seize it. On this side of the House,
:46:43. > :46:48.we would stress that for thd new law which we support in principle to be
:46:49. > :46:54.effective, agencies must be given the financial and political support
:46:55. > :47:00.to take powerful and wealthx individuals to court. Furthdrmore,
:47:01. > :47:06.there is some concern which we will explore in committee that the
:47:07. > :47:11.measures may be too widely drawn. Throughout, the safeguard for
:47:12. > :47:15.seizure orders is the reasonable suspicion of a police officdr on
:47:16. > :47:20.their own authority. This m`y be too low a bar as a safeguard ag`inst the
:47:21. > :47:25.incompetent use or abuse of state power. I am most grateful to my
:47:26. > :47:31.honourable friend and I thank her for the kind comments. Sir Bernard
:47:32. > :47:34.Hogan Howe, in evidence to the committee, suggested the crhminal
:47:35. > :47:41.law should be amended to ensure that those who had not paid a
:47:42. > :47:44.compensation order should bd subject of a second criminal offencd. Does
:47:45. > :47:49.she agree it is wrong for those who are subject to a compensation order
:47:50. > :47:55.to go to prison, finished their sentence, come out and it is still
:47:56. > :47:58.not being paid? We need to look at this very carefully indeed. I am
:47:59. > :48:02.very grateful to my honourable friend was he is right but we knew
:48:03. > :48:07.to look at this area, about people who, in effect, are able to serve
:48:08. > :48:15.perhaps a relatively short prison term but flout the compensation
:48:16. > :48:20.order. I quite take the point that my right honourable neighbotr makes
:48:21. > :48:26.but, very often, when the criminal is sentenced, along with a
:48:27. > :48:30.compensation order or a process of crime order, he is sentenced to an
:48:31. > :48:35.additional term of imprisonlent in the event he does not pay b`ck the
:48:36. > :48:39.money. Sometimes those extended sentences can be very long `nd
:48:40. > :48:46.indeed as long, or even longer, than the original sentence. Far be it
:48:47. > :48:52.from me to bandy words with the many lawyers in the chamber but H repeat,
:48:53. > :48:55.we will seek to examine the question of people flouting compensation
:48:56. > :49:00.orders as this bill goes through committee. But, overall, in relation
:49:01. > :49:03.to bearing down on money-latndering, we welcome the relevant provisions
:49:04. > :49:08.of the bill, including the unexplained wealth orders, the
:49:09. > :49:15.reform to these suspicious `ctivity reports regime, information sharing,
:49:16. > :49:20.and the new disclosure orders. This bill also deals with the qudstion of
:49:21. > :49:24.tax evasion. In recent years there has been a great deal of public
:49:25. > :49:31.interest and a raft of government measures on tax avoidance. @rguably
:49:32. > :49:36.there has been less attention paid to tax evasion. There is sole
:49:37. > :49:40.blurring between the two terms. Broadly, tax evasion is when an
:49:41. > :49:46.individual or corporate enthty acts in breach of the law but tax
:49:47. > :49:50.avoidance occurs when an individual or corporate entity complies with
:49:51. > :49:55.the letter but not the spirht of the law. In recent years, Her M`jesty's
:49:56. > :50:01.Revenue and Customs has produced estimates of the tax gap, that is to
:50:02. > :50:06.say the difference between tax that is actually collected, and that
:50:07. > :50:09.which is theoretically due. Clearly, any such estimate must be
:50:10. > :50:17.speculative. I would draw the attention to the fact the most
:50:18. > :50:26.recent estimate is that it ?6 billion. This is the equivalent of
:50:27. > :50:32.6.5% of total tax liabilitids. Of that ?36 billion that is lost, .2
:50:33. > :50:38.billion is lost to evasion `nd only 2.2 billion is lost to avoidance. If
:50:39. > :50:44.you do welcome the measures in this bill to bear down on tax ev`sion and
:50:45. > :50:47.we welcome the provision whhch makes it a criminal offence for
:50:48. > :50:54.corporations which failed to stop their associated persons facilitated
:50:55. > :51:01.tax evasion. We particularlx welcome the fact this will have
:51:02. > :51:07.extraterritorial jurisdiction. However we regret the fact that in
:51:08. > :51:12.the tax evasion measures in part three of the bill, there is no
:51:13. > :51:16.reference to the British Ovdrseas Territories and Crown dependencies.
:51:17. > :51:21.This, I have to say, is a startling oversight. There are 14 British
:51:22. > :51:25.Overseas Territories in all. The British Virgin Islands is mdntioned
:51:26. > :51:34.no fewer than 113,000 times in the Panama papers. BVI, with a
:51:35. > :51:40.population of just 29,000, fewer than my own constituency of Hackney,
:51:41. > :51:48.is home to 452,000 internathonal businesses. Maybe the 29,000
:51:49. > :51:52.population is particularly skilled at accountancy and banking. But
:51:53. > :51:57.maybe some of those business entities are shells for tax evasion.
:51:58. > :52:02.There are also three Crown dependencies, Jersey, Guernsey and
:52:03. > :52:06.the Isle of Man. It is freqtently argued that the British Overseas
:52:07. > :52:11.Territories and the Crown dependencies are the largest tax
:52:12. > :52:15.evasion network in the world. So, the failure to mention them in a
:52:16. > :52:21.bill, which purports to deal with issues around tax evasion, hs a
:52:22. > :52:27.major omission and we will be seeking amendments as this bill goes
:52:28. > :52:31.through committee. It is frdquently asserted that it is not possible to
:52:32. > :52:35.legislate for British Oversdas Territories and the Crown
:52:36. > :52:39.dependencies but the Ministry of Justice seems to think diffdrently.
:52:40. > :52:47.This is an issue that we will be exploring. The minister refdrred to
:52:48. > :52:50.the beneficial ownership register that we are encouraging the overseas
:52:51. > :52:54.territories and the Crown dependencies to introduce. He must
:52:55. > :52:59.be aware that at least some of the overseas territories are bo`sting
:53:00. > :53:03.they are in practice invading the Government's efforts to get them to
:53:04. > :53:07.set up beneficial ownership registers and many of them `re
:53:08. > :53:15.saying that these registers will not be publicly available. On this side,
:53:16. > :53:21.we insist that if this government is serious about tax evasion, ht must
:53:22. > :53:26.ensure that the overseas territories and Crown dependencies, not just set
:53:27. > :53:33.up beneficial ownership reghsters but make them publicly available. We
:53:34. > :53:37.also note there is little distinction in the bill between
:53:38. > :53:46.corporate or partnership bodies who facilitate tax evasion. And those
:53:47. > :53:49.who do it routinely and as ` central part of their business model. We
:53:50. > :53:57.believe that we should look into a new provision at specifically
:53:58. > :54:00.criminalising entities and individuals for whom tax ev`sion is
:54:01. > :54:09.at the heart of their busindss model and punishing them more harshly I
:54:10. > :54:13.would not want to leave my remarks on tax evasion without menthoning
:54:14. > :54:17.the Labour Party's tax transparency enforcement programme. We w`nt a
:54:18. > :54:22.public enquiry to examine the loss of tax revenue. We want increased
:54:23. > :54:26.powers for HM RC, including a specialised tax enforcement unit. We
:54:27. > :54:33.want to force foreign firms correct solicitors and beneficiaries and we
:54:34. > :54:40.want the introduction of thd general avoidance policy and rules to cover
:54:41. > :54:48.offshore abuses. Finally, this bill deals with the important qudstion of
:54:49. > :54:54.terrorist finance. We know, those of us that have watched with horror,
:54:55. > :54:59.terrorist atrocities all ovdr the world and here in London, that
:55:00. > :55:04.terrorism is an existential threat to us in our society. We sh`red
:55:05. > :55:09.government aims to reduce the terrorist threat, not just to us in
:55:10. > :55:12.the UK, but to our allies and interests overseas was that we agree
:55:13. > :55:19.that one way of doing it is depriving terrorists of the
:55:20. > :55:22.financial resources required for terrorism related activity.
:55:23. > :55:25.Globalisation means we must constantly update our legal
:55:26. > :55:32.instruments so we note the changes the bill will make to the l`w
:55:33. > :55:37.enforcement intelligence agdncies in relation to offences under the
:55:38. > :55:42.Terrorism Act 2000, but we will be examining these proposals bdcause we
:55:43. > :55:50.are anxious that they do not bear to harshly on genuine charities. So in
:55:51. > :55:55.conclusion, on this side, wd support the principle of the bill. We will
:55:56. > :55:59.scrutinise the detail with care but we insist that it is vital that
:56:00. > :56:03.agencies like the National Crime Agency get the money they nded for
:56:04. > :56:13.implementation, otherwise the bill will be a dead letter. For too long,
:56:14. > :56:18.London has been accused of being a hub for money-laundering. Whth all
:56:19. > :56:23.its terrible effects, both on the take of our treasury, but also on
:56:24. > :56:30.the lives and countries of lany of the poorest people in the world We
:56:31. > :56:36.hope that this bill is the beginning of a process which brings the
:56:37. > :56:39.curtain down on the era when London could be described as a
:56:40. > :56:47.money-laundering hub and instead ensures that London and the UK set
:56:48. > :56:50.an example internationally `bout what can be done to bed down on
:56:51. > :57:07.money-laundering and tax ev`sion. Me I begin by declaring an hnterest.
:57:08. > :57:11.I am currently instructed bx the Serious Fraud Office in a ntmber of
:57:12. > :57:17.matters which touch upon thhs Bill and some of its predecessors.
:57:18. > :57:23.Secondly may I apologise to my right honourable and honourable friends
:57:24. > :57:28.and also to the honourable lady that you may not be able to be hdre at
:57:29. > :57:37.the wind-up, but I hope that my right honourable friend the Great
:57:38. > :57:42.Yarmouth will forgive me. All being well, this debate may run short if I
:57:43. > :57:50.don't talk too much! LAUGHTER
:57:51. > :57:54.I broadly support the princhple behind this bill, and I asstme it is
:57:55. > :58:00.entirely uncontroversial. Wd all want to see the sorts of crhminals
:58:01. > :58:05.who are we hope to be touchdd by this Bill caught and prevented from
:58:06. > :58:09.committing these sorts of fhnancial crimes. The days when peopld went
:58:10. > :58:14.into banks with sawn off shotguns are long over. Criminals ard now
:58:15. > :58:18.much more sophisticated, thdy go round the back with a set of wires
:58:19. > :58:22.metaphorically and extract loney out of banks and other financial
:58:23. > :58:30.institutions through the usd of computer crime rather than violence.
:58:31. > :58:33.And we need to keep up with them, as my honourable friend from Preston
:58:34. > :58:41.North End, we have to be cr`ftier than the craftier woods. In our
:58:42. > :58:46.enthusiasm to pass this leghslation, there are one or two matters which I
:58:47. > :58:49.think we need to be a littld cautious about, and I'm surd that
:58:50. > :58:54.the Government will during the course of the passage of thhs Bill
:58:55. > :58:57.think about how to get the detail of the Bill Wright, and many of the
:58:58. > :59:02.points that I am going to m`ke, it should be said should be in the
:59:03. > :59:07.support stage rather than the second reading, but I will make thdm now
:59:08. > :59:15.whilst I am on my feet. In relation to unexplained wealth orders, as a
:59:16. > :59:21.matter of principle they ard in line with earlier legislation and
:59:22. > :59:26.Proceeds of Crime Act and shmilar provisions, in that they sedm to
:59:27. > :59:30.reverse the burden of proof, making the respondent to the order explain
:59:31. > :59:37.themselves rather than requhring the prosecution or the state to make a
:59:38. > :59:43.case against them. I think that principle is now accepted in our
:59:44. > :59:47.criminal law so long as there are sufficient protections for the
:59:48. > :59:53.respondent within the legislation. We know that under the Bill, the
:59:54. > :59:57.High Court may on an applic`tion made by one of the prosecuthon
:59:58. > :00:01.authorities or the enforcemdnt agencies make an unexplained wealth
:00:02. > :00:04.order in respect of any property if the court is satisfied that each of
:00:05. > :00:09.the requirements for the making of the order is fulfilled. The order
:00:10. > :00:14.will be made in the High Cotrt, and the application of course whll be
:00:15. > :00:22.made to the High Court in rdlation to a respondent who has shall we say
:00:23. > :00:26.a criminal connection, but `lso to politically expose persons, and I
:00:27. > :00:33.think we need to be careful that politically exposed persons who will
:00:34. > :00:40.as I understand it be foreigners are sufficiently protected from the
:00:41. > :00:42.making of an order which cotld trash their reputation, or rather the
:00:43. > :00:49.making of an application whhch could trash their rip it Asian whhch when
:00:50. > :00:53.not acceded to buy the High Court judge nonetheless still leaves them
:00:54. > :00:58.exposed to the allegations that will have been made against him or her,
:00:59. > :01:03.and I suppose to a lesser extent the same could be said to respondent who
:01:04. > :01:08.has some form of criminal protection. It seems to me that the
:01:09. > :01:12.way around this is to do wh`t has been done in the Crime and Courts
:01:13. > :01:20.Bill 2013 in relation to deferred prosecution agreement is, and if one
:01:21. > :01:24.looks at Schedule 7 team of the 2013 Crime and Courts Bill, paragraphs
:01:25. > :01:34.seven and eight, there is a way of dealing with these things so that
:01:35. > :01:38.reputations cannot be damagdd until the necessary time when a p`rticular
:01:39. > :01:45.state of affairs has been approved. In deferred prosecution agrdement
:01:46. > :01:49.is, the parties, in this case the Serious Fraud Office, would apply to
:01:50. > :01:52.the court for a declaration that entering into a deferred prosecution
:01:53. > :01:58.agreement with the correspondent would be likely in the interest of
:01:59. > :02:03.justice and the proposed terms are fair, reasonable and proportionate,
:02:04. > :02:07.and that hearing is in priv`te. Once the court is satisfied on the
:02:08. > :02:13.parties are agreed that the terms of the order are correct, you then go
:02:14. > :02:17.back to the judge and he makes an order which is made public, and he
:02:18. > :02:23.also makes public the judgmdnt that he made in the private hearhng some
:02:24. > :02:27.days or weeks earlier. That seems to me a perfectly sensible way of
:02:28. > :02:35.maintaining the interests of doing justice in public but holding in
:02:36. > :02:48.private the initial hearing so that in the event of an order not being
:02:49. > :02:51.made or being altered in a way which makes the respondent look a lot less
:02:52. > :02:55.guilty than he might otherwhse have been, it allows that hearing to be
:02:56. > :03:03.heard without damaging an innocent man's reputation. So it seels that
:03:04. > :03:06.is simply a matter of mechanics and if the Government could spare the
:03:07. > :03:09.time between now and when this Bill leaves the House of Commons, we
:03:10. > :03:16.could achieve the end that we all want to see achieved without causing
:03:17. > :03:21.collateral or unintended dalage I am also a little concerned that it
:03:22. > :03:29.may be something that can bd dealt with at a later stage, that the Bill
:03:30. > :03:36.particularly in clause one deals with income is though that for all
:03:37. > :03:42.that needs to be considered. In 362 B, sub clause three, it says the
:03:43. > :03:44.High Court must be satisfied that there are reasonable grounds for
:03:45. > :03:49.suspecting that the known sources of the respondent's lawfully obtained
:03:50. > :03:54.income would be insufficient for the purposes of enabling the respondent
:03:55. > :03:59.to obtain the property, and one can see on the other side of thd page on
:04:00. > :04:04.sub clause six known sources of the respondent's sources of income,
:04:05. > :04:06.whether arising from assets or otherwise, are ascertainabld from
:04:07. > :04:11.available information at thd time of the making of the application for
:04:12. > :04:13.the order. If income simply means money received, then I can
:04:14. > :04:19.understand what it means, btt if it means income as opposed to capital,
:04:20. > :04:27.then I think we need to makd clear that income does not just include
:04:28. > :04:32.the interest from capital or the salary or whatever it may bd, but
:04:33. > :04:42.actually means all that the respondent owns, so that we can
:04:43. > :04:47.capture the distinction between income and capital. A respondent
:04:48. > :04:55.could be capital rich and income poor, and it seems we need to avoid
:04:56. > :04:58.them getting away from the order I saying that his income doesn't
:04:59. > :05:05.amount to much, whereas we `ll know all we can anticipate that his
:05:06. > :05:08.capital is rather larger. I am sure there are plenty of houses which the
:05:09. > :05:13.honourable lady the Shadow Home Secretary spoke about which were
:05:14. > :05:21.bought the cash, essentiallx bought from great loves of capital rather
:05:22. > :05:27.than from borrowings. I am concerned about the use of the word ptrports
:05:28. > :05:30.to comply in the Bill. I appreciate that this is an expression to be
:05:31. > :05:34.found in earlier and similar bills, but to me, purporting to do
:05:35. > :05:41.something either means to do your best or to attempt to do so, or to
:05:42. > :05:45.do something speciously, to appear to do it falsely, and I think we
:05:46. > :05:49.need to be clear, albeit th`t I accept as I said a moment ago in
:05:50. > :05:54.earlier legislation this expression is used. I think we need to be clear
:05:55. > :06:04.that to pretend to do something should not be a defence or `n answer
:06:05. > :06:08.to an accusation that you h`ve failed to comply with an undxplained
:06:09. > :06:21.wealth order. I turn now to the question of
:06:22. > :06:27.enforcement, which has been brought up on a number of occasions. Let us
:06:28. > :06:33.assume that an unexplained wealth order is made, let us assumd that
:06:34. > :06:41.the hearing initially perhaps single-handed by the authorhty is
:06:42. > :06:49.made, and it then either coles back for a hearing between both parties,
:06:50. > :06:53.or moves on in some other w`y. It is all very well making these orders if
:06:54. > :06:58.there are not the necessary police officers or investigators to ensure
:06:59. > :07:03.that they are enforced. I h`ve noticed that in the past with
:07:04. > :07:08.confiscation orders. Very often the courts will make an order and either
:07:09. > :07:14.the order is never even put into action, or very little of the amount
:07:15. > :07:17.that is required of the offdnder is ever recovered, and we do nded to
:07:18. > :07:22.make sure that this is not just a piece of legislation written in
:07:23. > :07:27.error, but has real teeth, `nd real teeth which are able to detdr those
:07:28. > :07:31.who think they can get away with this sort of misbehaviour, but also
:07:32. > :07:36.enables the Treasury to recover the ill gotten gains. And I dard say the
:07:37. > :07:44.same could be said in relathon to suspicious activity reports. Finally
:07:45. > :07:50.on the question of unexplained wealth orders, is there to be any of
:07:51. > :07:55.appeal system? It strikes md that at the minute, under 362 H, an
:07:56. > :07:58.application for an unexplained wealth order may be made without
:07:59. > :08:05.notice. I have dealt with the points about that. But is it a procedure
:08:06. > :08:13.which is going to be success to any sort of appeal, and if not, why not?
:08:14. > :08:16.Can I now finally turn to the matter of the failure to prevent
:08:17. > :08:26.provisions, which my honour`ble friend the Minister mentiondd in his
:08:27. > :08:32.opening speech. I heartily `pprove of this new system of dealing with
:08:33. > :08:40.corporate misconduct. We saw it first in our jurisdiction under the
:08:41. > :08:44.bribery act 2010, and althotgh there have been only a few cases hnvolving
:08:45. > :08:50.section seven of the briberx act 2010, it does strike me as being a
:08:51. > :08:59.way of dealing with the difficulty that we face under English law at
:09:00. > :09:03.least of pinning upon corporations criminal liability. In the Tnited
:09:04. > :09:07.States, a corporate body can be held to be criminally liable bec`use it
:09:08. > :09:10.employed the criminal. It is vicariously liable for employing the
:09:11. > :09:17.criminal, and his activities are pinned upon the company. In this
:09:18. > :09:21.company and certainly in thhs jurisdiction, we rely upon the
:09:22. > :09:25.Victorian principle of the directing mind, and that is with huge
:09:26. > :09:30.international companies with hundreds of thousands of employees
:09:31. > :09:34.posted right across the world, albeit that the headquarters of the
:09:35. > :09:37.company may be in this jurisdiction, it is extremely difficult to
:09:38. > :09:45.demonstrate that the directhng mind of the company knew what thd
:09:46. > :09:50.criminal MP was up to. And so section seven of the briberx act
:09:51. > :09:58.gets around that by requiring.. Of course. Thank you, Madam De`dy
:09:59. > :10:01.speaker. Whilst I accept thd directing mind principle, does he
:10:02. > :10:06.not agree with me that employees that engage on perhaps less than
:10:07. > :10:12.ethical practices that have caused a lot of the problems we have seen in
:10:13. > :10:17.the UK, unless the liabilitx goes to the top of the organisation, that
:10:18. > :10:22.organisation will never devdlop the protocols to make sure that the
:10:23. > :10:30.employees are loyal for thehr actions. What he says is perfectly
:10:31. > :10:35.true. Does that mean I accept what he says? I'm not sure. The point I
:10:36. > :10:42.am trying to get across is that companies can avoid liability absent
:10:43. > :10:45.section seven of the briberx act, the individuals can be prosdcuted
:10:46. > :10:51.and imprisoned, but the company gets away free, and the advantagd of
:10:52. > :10:57.section seven is that it brhngs the company within the ambit of
:10:58. > :11:01.responsibility. Yes, the colpliance systems within banks and financial
:11:02. > :11:08.institutions nowadays are mtch more sophisticated, much more vigorously
:11:09. > :11:11.engineered, so that anybody from top to bottom should know what they are
:11:12. > :11:15.supposed to do and what thex are supposed not to do, and to lake sure
:11:16. > :11:19.that that culture goes right the way through the company. There hs no
:11:20. > :11:25.excuse, it seems to me, for failing to behave properly, since wd all
:11:26. > :11:28.should know now and certainly the compliance world is very kedn to
:11:29. > :11:34.make sure that employees in banks and so forth know what they are
:11:35. > :11:40.supposed to do. But what I would like to do is not just limit the
:11:41. > :11:43.failure to prevent provisions to section seven of the briberx act and
:11:44. > :11:48.to this clause dealing with tax evasion, but to increase thd failure
:11:49. > :11:52.to prevent regime to all those offences or at least those offences
:11:53. > :11:58.which can sensibly be brought under it, set out in part two of Schedule
:11:59. > :12:07.7 teen of the Crime and Courts Bill 2013. Where there are about 40 or 50
:12:08. > :12:12.economic or financial crimes which corporations should be requhred to
:12:13. > :12:15.prevent. And that way I think we can put a blanket right across ` whole
:12:16. > :12:18.range of criminal financial offences which at the minute are four example
:12:19. > :12:29.not dealt with. For example, fraud, theft, false
:12:30. > :12:35.accounting, suppression of documents, wrongfully obtaining
:12:36. > :12:38.credit. The exportation of prohibited or restricted goods. The
:12:39. > :12:44.list is therefore the Government to look up. I hope thought will begin
:12:45. > :12:49.in not only just to increashng it to the evasion of taxation both here
:12:50. > :12:54.and abroad but to some if not all of the offences listed in that
:12:55. > :13:02.schedule. Finally, on one slall point, coming back to the rdsources
:13:03. > :13:08.point, there was an article in the Times this morning on the online
:13:09. > :13:14.column, the brief, where a senior lawyer at a city firm of solicitors
:13:15. > :13:18.complained that tax officials are failing to use the existing tools
:13:19. > :13:25.against tax avoidance schemds while seeking to expand their powdrs. This
:13:26. > :13:28.lawyer said, the huge range of swingeing powers H R C has been
:13:29. > :13:32.given in recent years may h`ve helped its image but to datd they
:13:33. > :13:35.have been little used as an enforcement tool. Some may puestion
:13:36. > :13:40.the public time and resourcds could have been better spent before
:13:41. > :13:46.granting HM RC yet further powers. Parliament should consider whether
:13:47. > :13:50.such powers are actually nedded and ask HMRC to explain why such powers
:13:51. > :13:54.have been underutilised. I don't know whether what he says is
:13:55. > :14:00.pinpoint accurate or what btt it seems to me we can do both. We can
:14:01. > :14:05.better use the powers we have, provided to HMRC, and make sure they
:14:06. > :14:12.use them, but also widen thd hamlet of our ability to prevent fhnancial
:14:13. > :14:24.crime by introducing the fahlure to prevent the provisions in this bill
:14:25. > :14:29.and I hope in the next form. Before I go through the crux of my speech,
:14:30. > :14:34.I can sum up our position on this bill is simply for the B support in
:14:35. > :14:37.principle the aims of the bhll. To be truthful, there is not mtch
:14:38. > :14:41.within the four corners of the bill we would dispute. Our probldm is not
:14:42. > :14:45.what is in the bill, our problem is what is not in the bill. I will make
:14:46. > :14:52.that clear as I go through our speech. When I studied the system at
:14:53. > :14:56.the university in the 1990s, the focus of financial crime and the
:14:57. > :15:01.Government in this regard w`s anti-money laundering regul`tions
:15:02. > :15:06.and proceeds of crime legislation geared specifically towards getting
:15:07. > :15:10.at the proceeds of drug traffickers. And quite frankly bank robbdrs. For
:15:11. > :15:15.the most part, this has worked. Long gone are the days when crimhnals
:15:16. > :15:22.could eat it -- easily legitimise cash from ill gotten gains. The only
:15:23. > :15:25.concern for robbing a bank was being caught red-handed. The percdption of
:15:26. > :15:29.criminals was if they could evade capture and not flash the c`sh they
:15:30. > :15:33.could eventually spend the loney for that in many cases, laws cotld be
:15:34. > :15:37.incarcerated for crimes and still look forward to spending thd loot
:15:38. > :15:42.when they were released. Many now needs to be accounted for. Banks
:15:43. > :15:46.must consider the source of funds and be satisfied they are
:15:47. > :15:49.legitimate. Police have powdrs to recruit proceeds of crime. Dven if
:15:50. > :15:53.they have been spent by the criminals, pass them back to the
:15:54. > :15:58.victims. In my view, you silply could not believe in the rule of law
:15:59. > :16:02.unless you could have supported the evolution and the rule of l`w should
:16:03. > :16:05.be at the heart of everything we do as a society. It is not fair for
:16:06. > :16:09.anyone to live in a world where criminals are free to gener`te cash
:16:10. > :16:12.and spend it without fear of repercussions for that therd must be
:16:13. > :16:17.a level playing field for the vast majority of society who plaxed by
:16:18. > :16:22.the rules. These past changds did not disincentive I've criminals
:16:23. > :16:29.doesn't matter disincentive I've criminals, they drove a coach and
:16:30. > :16:33.horses through their plans. I suggest they would not have
:16:34. > :16:38.committed those crimes with tougher money-laundering regulations. The
:16:39. > :16:42.challenges today are very, very different. We live in an er` of
:16:43. > :16:49.evolving financial crime and we now face a very different threat. It is
:16:50. > :16:57.the threat of grand corrupthon, particularly in relation to
:16:58. > :17:02.politically exposed people. Earlier this year, the Guardian revdaled
:17:03. > :17:05.through the Panama papers how powerful member of the good daffy
:17:06. > :17:09.inner circle had built a multi-million pound portfolho of
:17:10. > :17:14.boutique hotels in Scotland and luxury hotels in London. He was head
:17:15. > :17:18.of the Libyan infrastructurd fund for a decade and has been accused by
:17:19. > :17:24.government prosecutors in Tripoli for plunging many rental schools,
:17:25. > :17:27.hospitals and archaeology. Scottish police have confirmed they `re
:17:28. > :17:33.investigating Libya. They h`ve made a request for an asset freeze which
:17:34. > :17:36.has not been implemented. These challenges mean new and tougher
:17:37. > :17:40.legislation is required to give law enforcement the tools to do
:17:41. > :17:47.something about it. This is a principle which we, in the SNP,
:17:48. > :17:51.support. Without wishing to undermine your consideration of the
:17:52. > :17:55.bill, I would request we believe this bill applies to Scotland.
:17:56. > :18:00.Specific sections make good the provisions and how they would apply
:18:01. > :18:03.to Scotland. As for devolved competency, I would suggest the SNP
:18:04. > :18:07.Scottish Government has demonstrated its commitment to tackling criminal
:18:08. > :18:13.finances and tax avoidance `nd boasts a successful track rdcord in
:18:14. > :18:17.so doing. Scotland has introduced robust anti-avoidance rules. It is
:18:18. > :18:22.described as one of the toughest in the world. The SNP government
:18:23. > :18:28.approach demonstrates we ard deadly serious about tackling tax `voidance
:18:29. > :18:32.in Scotland. For example, rdvenue Scotland established the Scottish
:18:33. > :18:36.general anti-avoidance rule. That will allow revenue Scotland to take
:18:37. > :18:40.counter action against artificial tax avoidance schemes to make it
:18:41. > :18:45.more difficult for people to circumvent the requirement to pay
:18:46. > :18:50.tax. That said, whilst we stpport the broad principle at stakd, we
:18:51. > :18:57.note with interest the clear terms of the most recent Tory manhfesto.
:18:58. > :19:01.We will continue to lead thd world on tax and transparency. We will
:19:02. > :19:07.make it a crime if companies failed to put into place measures to stop
:19:08. > :19:13.economic crime. We will crack down on tax evasion and aggressive tax
:19:14. > :19:18.avoidance. The principles m`y be once we support but we have real
:19:19. > :19:23.doubts the bill goes far enough to achieve these goals, which hs
:19:24. > :19:28.something I and my honourable friend will make clear as we move through
:19:29. > :19:35.this debate. There are many mechanisms and vehicles provided for
:19:36. > :19:39.in the bill. One of the most important and perhaps the e`siest
:19:40. > :19:44.for the public to understand our unexplained wealth orders. This will
:19:45. > :19:50.enable the court to make an unexplained wealth order. Upon
:19:51. > :19:53.application by Scottish minhsters requiring an individual or
:19:54. > :19:57.organisation to explain origin of asset if there are reasonable
:19:58. > :20:01.grounds for suspecting they may be involved with criminality or intend
:20:02. > :20:07.to use the wealth for criminal purposes and the value of the assets
:20:08. > :20:11.exceeds ?100,000. This would be available to the court wherd assets
:20:12. > :20:16.appear to be disproportionate to the known legitimate income. For
:20:17. > :20:28.example, as recently reportdd, where a taxi driver owns a ?1 million fish
:20:29. > :20:30.tank. A failure to provide ` response to the order and explain
:20:31. > :20:33.the legitimate source of funds would give rise to a presumption that the
:20:34. > :20:35.property was indeed recover`ble making any subsequent civil recovery
:20:36. > :20:38.action much easier. As a lawyer the notion of reversing the burden of
:20:39. > :20:45.proof is not one which sits comfortably with me. But, as another
:20:46. > :20:49.rabbit -- other areas, that is proportional to the issue at stake
:20:50. > :20:54.here. Sounds legal principlds like the presumption of innocencd and the
:20:55. > :20:57.burden of proof should not inadvertently protect criminals
:20:58. > :21:03.which I suspect may have happened thus far. Unexplained wealth orders
:21:04. > :21:09.will also help explain the owners of property. Figures show real estate
:21:10. > :21:16.worth ?170 billion is held by more than 30,000 tax haven companies The
:21:17. > :21:20.key to this provision is th`t a criminal conviction will no longer
:21:21. > :21:23.be necessary before law enforcement can pierce the criminals thdre which
:21:24. > :21:28.camouflage is the wealth. Gdtting away with the crime will no longer
:21:29. > :21:32.protect a criminal's well. This will allow for this power to be `pplied
:21:33. > :21:37.to foreign policy issues and officials, or those associated with
:21:38. > :21:41.them, known as politically dxposed persons, helping to tackle the
:21:42. > :21:46.issues of grand corruption hs overseas being laundered in the UK.
:21:47. > :21:53.On the point of unexplained wealth, I have a couple of specific
:21:54. > :21:56.questions. I understand the minister will not be in his place for the
:21:57. > :21:59.summing up at the end of thd debate but the other minister is thankfully
:22:00. > :22:02.here and will hear these qudstions. I was going to ask him to p`ss them
:22:03. > :22:06.on but that is redundant. In relation to unexplained wealth
:22:07. > :22:10.orders, there is a motion about freezing orders. If a motion is
:22:11. > :22:15.made, one could presume the respondent would be keen to out of
:22:16. > :22:20.the country with a stash of cash. Freezing orders are available if the
:22:21. > :22:23.court is satisfied that thex are necessary. Can the Government
:22:24. > :22:30.consider strengthening this position to ensure that the hotfoot
:22:31. > :22:36.temptation is not available to these criminals? I can imagine thd rush to
:22:37. > :22:39.flee. Perhaps an automatic freezing order on granting of the application
:22:40. > :22:46.for the unexplained wealth order might be something that is
:22:47. > :22:50.considered. And will be ?100,00 threshold create a new out for grand
:22:51. > :22:55.corruption? Well politicallx exposed people collaborate with manx people
:22:56. > :22:58.to do numerous transactions under ?100,000. This should also be
:22:59. > :23:04.considered and these provishons should make sure we catch these
:23:05. > :23:08.activities. Madam Deputy Spdaker, current legislation does not make it
:23:09. > :23:12.easy to seize criminal assets in the former bank accounts and other value
:23:13. > :23:17.assets such as precious met`ls and jewels, or indeed casino chhps and
:23:18. > :23:22.high value betting slips. There is evidence these movable items are
:23:23. > :23:25.being used both domesticallx and across international borders. This
:23:26. > :23:31.bill will create civil powers similar to the existing cash seizure
:23:32. > :23:36.and future schemes in current legislation to close this g`p. These
:23:37. > :23:40.powers will be exercise book where there is reasonable suspicion the
:23:41. > :23:47.property is the proceeds of crime or the fact it will be used in unlawful
:23:48. > :23:50.conduct. The SNP manifesto hn 2 16 stated that we will argue for a
:23:51. > :23:55.change in the law at Westminster to enable the police to seize htems of
:23:56. > :23:59.monetary value from criminals, such as high value betting slips and
:24:00. > :24:03.casino chips. I was pleased at the minister 's statement that these
:24:04. > :24:08.will be included in an amendment forthcoming. I'm struggling to see
:24:09. > :24:15.how they can be caught by the face value batches provision in the Bill.
:24:16. > :24:18.I was grateful for that statement and thank the Minister for so doing.
:24:19. > :24:22.The next point is about corporate failure to prevent tax evashon. This
:24:23. > :24:29.is the Government's attempt to legislate on what we understand as
:24:30. > :24:35.being corporate economic crhme. This will create two new offences.
:24:36. > :24:38.However, again, we support these measures and as far as they go. We
:24:39. > :24:42.see this as a huge missed opportunity for that nothing in this
:24:43. > :24:53.bill, for example, would crhminalise the banks themselves for thdir
:24:54. > :24:58.employees rigging the Libor market. They may see this as a slight copout
:24:59. > :25:03.and a continuation of the status quo which has got us into so much
:25:04. > :25:07.difficulty. It is hardly uncontroversial to hold companies to
:25:08. > :25:12.account for the tax evasion of their employees. It is tax evasion, for
:25:13. > :25:16.goodness sake. The public would expect it to be criminally sanction
:25:17. > :25:22.of all. The public wants to see stronger measures to hold companies,
:25:23. > :25:26.in particular banks, liable for the crimes of their resident rogue
:25:27. > :25:31.bankers. It seems strange that the Government seems to have ducked this
:25:32. > :25:34.issue. As someone who has worked for a very well-known retail bank,
:25:35. > :25:40.something I do not advertisd as much these days as much as I used to I
:25:41. > :25:44.can testify with absolute cdrtainty that until banks themselves are in
:25:45. > :25:48.the frame, as was the point with my intervention, they will nevdr
:25:49. > :25:51.develop risk management and other protocols necessary designed to make
:25:52. > :25:55.sure their agents were that deploys, do not commit these crimes. It is
:25:56. > :26:03.any when liability goes to the top that we will ever begin to solve
:26:04. > :26:06.these issues. So I ask the linister the question, will the Government
:26:07. > :26:10.consider reacting to what the public understands as corporate crhme and
:26:11. > :26:14.make banks liable for practhces causing so much economic he`rtache
:26:15. > :26:20.to so many ordinary people since 2008? Why should the innocent
:26:21. > :26:24.ordinary punter pay for the mistakes of rogue bankers? If you make the
:26:25. > :26:25.bosses libel, you will see this tightened up almost instantly. I
:26:26. > :26:38.give way. I am grateful to the honour`ble
:26:39. > :26:42.gentleman and my honourable friend. The first step, at least encourage
:26:43. > :26:46.the Government to look at the scheduled to the 2013 act where the
:26:47. > :26:50.economic and financial crimds are set out and see whether we can get
:26:51. > :26:56.failure to prevent added into this bill, and then perhaps he and I
:26:57. > :27:01.could get together and try to persuade the American vicarhously
:27:02. > :27:08.the system. I have a great deal of sympathy with both of those points,
:27:09. > :27:13.however particularly the first point is a half house measure and doesn't
:27:14. > :27:19.go far enough. It won't pin criminal liability on the banks. The point in
:27:20. > :27:23.relation to vicarious liability the United States is considered to be
:27:24. > :27:28.the free-market monster of the world, and yet they feel colfortable
:27:29. > :27:30.criminalising banks for the actions of rogue employees, and I stggest
:27:31. > :27:52.that we do the same in the TK. Deputy Speaker, it is always a joy
:27:53. > :27:55.to be between two barristers! There is always a
:27:56. > :28:01.fine for avoiding tax, becatse we think that will change behaviour. It
:28:02. > :28:07.is one thing to fine a comp`ny capped fee, but you have to not only
:28:08. > :28:11.change the bosses' attitude but also the shareholders' attitude, and
:28:12. > :28:14.massive fines make the diffdrence, and coupled with our changes in
:28:15. > :28:20.power of the FCA, we hope that will change behaviour. Misty Deptty
:28:21. > :28:28.Speaker, I agree with what the Minister says, but I agree that this
:28:29. > :28:32.only extends to tax evasion, not beyond that, that is my point.
:28:33. > :28:36.Within the four corners of this bill, there is very little to
:28:37. > :28:41.disagree with. It doesn't go beyond tax evasion, and I think th`t is a
:28:42. > :28:44.huge omission. There are other sections of the Bill that wd in the
:28:45. > :28:52.SNP can support without much hesitation. The expansion of the
:28:53. > :28:56.SARs regime, and combating terrorism. We support all of these
:28:57. > :28:59.measures in principle. Notwithstanding our in principle
:29:00. > :29:07.support of this bill, we don't think it goes far enough. Mr Deputy
:29:08. > :29:10.Speaker, I will take you through some of the points very quickly that
:29:11. > :29:15.we think are missing from the Bill, but before I do, I wish to lake a
:29:16. > :29:22.small point about the time we have had to consider this bill and its
:29:23. > :29:26.content, and we do not think that we have been given enough time. The
:29:27. > :29:33.Bill has been constructed whth high-speed, admirable though that
:29:34. > :29:42.may be, but we were shown draft clauses only in the last fortnight,
:29:43. > :29:50.and even then they were att`cked -- tagged in confidence. The Scottish
:29:51. > :29:55.Government has not had the chance to consider this bill, nor havd I, in
:29:56. > :29:57.sufficient detail to consult properly with Scottish stakdholders
:29:58. > :30:02.and to provide the Minister and Government with detailed advice The
:30:03. > :30:09.Scottish Government will do so in due course. In addition, we are
:30:10. > :30:11.already aware of concerns along Scottish stakeholders, parthcularly
:30:12. > :30:18.the civil recovery unit, th`t their advice has not been listened to or
:30:19. > :30:21.acted upon. The provisions lay not be the most effective avail`ble but
:30:22. > :30:26.I would encourage the Minister to continue his dialogue with the
:30:27. > :30:28.Scottish Government which hd demonstrated yesterday evenhng that
:30:29. > :30:35.is ongoing, and I thank him for that. So, what is missing? Ht
:30:36. > :30:40.remains the case for us that the most notable aspect of the Bill is
:30:41. > :30:44.what is not in it. An tax evasion, the Tory manifesto had its headline
:30:45. > :30:51.objected to deal with tax evasion, but this bill makes no menthon of
:30:52. > :30:56.the UK overseas territories and UK crown dependencies. Given the
:30:57. > :30:58.statement of intent in the Tory manifesto and the problems
:30:59. > :31:04.highlighted by the Panama P`pers and the public reaction to the Panama
:31:05. > :31:11.Papers, this omission seems very peculiar indeed. I am grateful to my
:31:12. > :31:17.noble friend for giving way. The OECD estimates that tax havdns may
:31:18. > :31:23.be costing developing countries are some up to three times the global
:31:24. > :31:26.aid budget. Does he agree whth me and the charity Christian Ahd that
:31:27. > :31:34.the most effective thing thd Government could do to counter
:31:35. > :31:39.corrupt financing is to set a deadline for overseas territories to
:31:40. > :31:43.adopt the same transparency is the UK, and this bill is a missdd
:31:44. > :31:48.opportunity to do so. Unsurprisingly I agree wholeheartedly with my
:31:49. > :31:55.honourable and learn a colldague. And I would make the point that the
:31:56. > :31:58.way to do this, is there anxway we could compel the overseas
:31:59. > :32:02.territories and crown dependencies to publish registers of offhcial
:32:03. > :32:06.ownership, which would provhde much-needed transparency to what is
:32:07. > :32:11.turning out to be a bottlendck in the fight against tax evasion? Does
:32:12. > :32:15.he agree with me there is precedent for doing this, because the
:32:16. > :32:19.Government has repeatedly ldgislated in respect of overseas terrhtories,
:32:20. > :32:30.for example on issues relatdd to corruption, a abolishing thd death
:32:31. > :32:34.penalty and so on. Yes, agahn I agree with my friend. Where there is
:32:35. > :32:38.a political will, there will be away, and if this Government is
:32:39. > :32:41.inclined to legislate in relation to the overseas territories and crown
:32:42. > :32:45.dependencies, no doubt that could be done. The omission and the fact that
:32:46. > :32:50.they haven't done indicates to me there is not the political will to
:32:51. > :32:54.do so. We don't believe that this bill will tackle tax avoidance
:32:55. > :32:58.appropriately, which is increased under this Conservative govdrnment.
:32:59. > :33:02.The UK tax gap for last year was a staggering 36 billion, and despite
:33:03. > :33:08.the rhetoric coming from thd Tory front bench is, this has increased
:33:09. > :33:14.by 2 billion last year. Mord needs to be done to achieve everybody s
:33:15. > :33:20.stated ends. On tax, why was the tax code not addressed? The UK has one
:33:21. > :33:23.of the most complex tax codds in the world, which has led clearlx to
:33:24. > :33:28.opportunities to both creatd and exploit existing loopholes. We
:33:29. > :33:32.therefore call on the Treastry to convene a commission and report back
:33:33. > :33:36.within two years following ` competence of consultation on the
:33:37. > :33:40.simple of occasion of the t`x code. By opening the door to a silplified
:33:41. > :33:44.tax system, the UK Government could increase tax yield, encourage
:33:45. > :33:50.compliance and avoid exploitative loopholes such as the Mayfahr
:33:51. > :33:54.loophole and employee benefht trust. Change is one thing but it could be
:33:55. > :33:56.coming as if we don't alloc`te the resource necessary to ensurd the
:33:57. > :34:06.Bill and subsequent measures have real effect. That is why we think
:34:07. > :34:12.the UK's decision to close ` HMRC offices is live. These resotrces are
:34:13. > :34:15.needed to boost compliance, not to mention the human cost that has
:34:16. > :34:20.occurred and had on families, employees, communities and hndeed
:34:21. > :34:24.local business. One final point I would make to the Minister, which
:34:25. > :34:30.will be expanded by my Ahdel friend later, can I request that this
:34:31. > :34:36.reserved issue of Scottish limited partnerships are dealt with in the
:34:37. > :34:42.Bill, which they are not at present? Mr Deputy Speaker, it is thd view of
:34:43. > :34:50.the Scottish Government that provisions will be needed for
:34:51. > :34:53.seizure powers over wealth owners and the powers contained in the
:34:54. > :34:58.Criminal Finances Bill. It will also include the specific revisions and
:34:59. > :35:00.civil recovery and criminal confiscation required by thd
:35:01. > :35:07.Scottish Government for inclusion in the Bill. Mr Deputy Speaker, we will
:35:08. > :35:12.not trigger a division on this bill this evening, but we want to
:35:13. > :35:16.reiterate very, very firmly that this bill does not go anywhdre near
:35:17. > :35:20.far enough in dealing with what I think is a real and tangibld outcry
:35:21. > :35:24.from the public given what has happened over the last five, six,
:35:25. > :35:27.seven years, and if we are serious about maintaining and creathng
:35:28. > :35:30.confidence in the banking sxstem again, which has evaporated, then we
:35:31. > :35:38.need to tackle this issue hdad on and do more than we are doing in
:35:39. > :35:41.this bill. Mr Deputy Speaker, I rise to support this bill, not to
:35:42. > :35:44.complain about what is not hn it but to praise the Government and agree
:35:45. > :35:50.with the Government on what they have put in this bold bill. I should
:35:51. > :35:54.declare that I am a barristdr and have represented a number of police
:35:55. > :35:59.forces across the country, but that experience has taught me two things.
:36:00. > :36:04.First, a genuine admiration for the men and women of our fantastic lease
:36:05. > :36:08.service for the dedication they show in the task of keeping us s`fe.
:36:09. > :36:12.Thanks to their excellent work led by Chief Superintendent Glenn
:36:13. > :36:17.Tunstall, Kingston is now the safest borough in London, but as I learned
:36:18. > :36:21.at our recent police awards, even in London's safest borough, thdre are
:36:22. > :36:25.humbling examples of everyd`y heroism and compassion by otr police
:36:26. > :36:30.officers. We don't hear abott them enough, and we are truly gr`teful.
:36:31. > :36:33.At the election, I pledged to do what I could to give the police the
:36:34. > :36:36.tools to do their job, and that brings me to the second thing I have
:36:37. > :36:41.learned from my work with the police, that there are a nulber of
:36:42. > :36:45.powers in this bill that thd police have been and indeed still `re
:36:46. > :36:50.hamstrung without. Where thdy are powerless to act in the facd of
:36:51. > :36:55.wrongdoing. Before I get onto those powers, I want to make a broader
:36:56. > :36:57.point. I am proud to serve `s a London MP, representing those who
:36:58. > :37:02.live and work in the best chty in the world. London is the world's
:37:03. > :37:05.financial services capital, and I know that the Government is working
:37:06. > :37:10.as hard as it can to ensure that that remains the case after
:37:11. > :37:14.Britain's exit from the EU, but over the last few years, there h`ve been
:37:15. > :37:20.reports that London is becoling the capital of something more insidious,
:37:21. > :37:22.money-laundering. After the global financial crisis, property hn London
:37:23. > :37:26.has become one of the safest investment in the world, and one
:37:27. > :37:30.which rich criminals and money-laundering is attractdd to in
:37:31. > :37:34.just the same way as people who have made their money legitimately. And
:37:35. > :37:37.put shortly, Londoners want this stain removing from their chty, and
:37:38. > :37:43.this bill will help to do that tonight. And it is not just London.
:37:44. > :37:47.The National Crime Agency assesses that billions of pounds of proceeds
:37:48. > :37:53.of international corruption are laundered into or through the UK
:37:54. > :37:57.every year. HMRC estimates that ?4.4 billion was lost to the exchequer
:37:58. > :38:02.last year alone due to tax dvasion in the UK. Globally,
:38:03. > :38:09.money-laundering is estimatdd to amount to 2.7% of global GDP, or 1.6
:38:10. > :38:12.trillion US dollars. To put that into perspective, Mr Deputy Speaker,
:38:13. > :38:21.there are only nine countrids in the world with GDP greater than $1.
:38:22. > :38:25.billion. As the leading nathon in the world for soft power, as a
:38:26. > :38:28.nation that is trying to le`d the global debate on anti-corruption, we
:38:29. > :38:34.need to make sure that we gdt our house in order. And tonight's bill
:38:35. > :38:38.is part of the Government's wider efforts to ensure our house is in
:38:39. > :38:44.order, and I want to touch on just a few aspects of the builders evening.
:38:45. > :38:48.Firstly, unexplained wealth orders. We have seen many cases in the press
:38:49. > :38:52.where individuals suspected of grave criminal offences lead lavish
:38:53. > :38:58.lifestyles well beyond what any legitimate income that they could
:38:59. > :39:02.evidence could possibly support And it is insulting to the many
:39:03. > :39:07.hard-working people in the TK who play by the rules, who go to work
:39:08. > :39:10.day in and day out to earn `n honest living to support themselves and
:39:11. > :39:14.their families to see this happening, and it creates a feeling
:39:15. > :39:19.of impunity in the upper echelons of criminality. Unexplained we`lth
:39:20. > :39:23.orders will require those stspected of involvement in or associ`ted with
:39:24. > :39:27.serious criminality to expl`in the origin of assets over ?100,000 that
:39:28. > :39:31.appear disproportionate to their known income, and a failure to
:39:32. > :39:35.provide a response or a sathsfactory response could lead to a prdsumption
:39:36. > :39:40.that the property in question is recoverable in civil proceedings.
:39:41. > :39:44.These unexplained wealth orders will have to be made by a High Court
:39:45. > :39:46.judge an application of a rdlatively wide enforcement officer, btt even
:39:47. > :39:51.with those protections as you would expect as a lawyer, I would ask the
:39:52. > :39:55.Minister to give a little more assurance about the nature of the
:39:56. > :39:59.protections in place, given that this does reverse the burden of
:40:00. > :40:03.proof which normally rests on the crown. I am sure the Ministdr will
:40:04. > :40:08.be able to provide that reassurance. And I entirely agree that while my
:40:09. > :40:15.honourable friend from the Scottish National Party said, that this does
:40:16. > :40:19.appear to be proportion, thd law enforcement officers find themselves
:40:20. > :40:25.so. Having spent many mornings in Magistrates' Court up and down the
:40:26. > :40:30.country making Poca applications, I do have a little familiaritx with
:40:31. > :40:33.this area. The current powers under Poca apply to cash, so the police
:40:34. > :40:38.may seize it where they havd reasonable grounds to suspect it is
:40:39. > :40:41.the proceeds of crime. They can then apply to the Magistrates' Court to
:40:42. > :40:44.forfeit that cash, and the classic example is a shoe box found in a
:40:45. > :40:51.house with some drugs and some roles of cash. But it applies to cash
:40:52. > :40:55.alone, and the more sophisthcated criminals are not those that have
:40:56. > :40:59.roles of cash with the bit of cannabis or cocaine in a shoe box.
:41:00. > :41:03.They are the criminals who have their money in bank accounts and in
:41:04. > :41:08.high-value items of personal property that are much harddr to
:41:09. > :41:12.trace and much more easy to move around both domestic league and
:41:13. > :41:15.internationally, like precious metals and jewels, and indedd
:41:16. > :41:21.betting slips, which was solething I was not aware of, and I'm grateful
:41:22. > :41:31.to the SNP for drawing that to the Government's attention. So, the
:41:32. > :41:36.seizure and forfeiture provhsions mean that the law on the police s
:41:37. > :41:37.powers are keeping up with the way crimes are being committed. That is
:41:38. > :41:47.a welcome move. I would like to turn to part three
:41:48. > :41:52.of the Bill and the corporate offence to tackle tax evasion.
:41:53. > :41:55.Another manifesto commitment the Government is delivering two nights
:41:56. > :42:04.of it is already the case t`xpayer who fraudulently base this commit a
:42:05. > :42:11.criminal offence. A banker or an accountant or a tax advisor who
:42:12. > :42:15.knowingly assists someone commits a criminal offence. A company
:42:16. > :42:19.employing that banker or accountant or tax advisor or other professional
:42:20. > :42:22.who criminally facilitates tax evasion does not commit any offence
:42:23. > :42:26.itself that they are outsidd the reach of the law for that this bill
:42:27. > :42:31.aims to bring those companids within the reach of the law, not to
:42:32. > :42:34.duplicate the liability on their employee or agent, but to
:42:35. > :42:40.criminalise a failure by thd company to prevent those acting on hts
:42:41. > :42:45.behalf from facilitating tax evasion. Allowing an atmosphere to
:42:46. > :42:51.be created where that is possible. This may seem Draconian to some In
:42:52. > :42:55.my view, it is absolutely ndcessary. Companies will have the defdnce
:42:56. > :42:59.much like under health and safety regulations, that if they c`n show
:43:00. > :43:05.they have a reasonable prevdntative procedure in place, they have a
:43:06. > :43:08.proper defence and they havd not committed the offence. This new
:43:09. > :43:12.offence will be the stick that will drive up companies own efforts to
:43:13. > :43:18.ensure that the own procedures do the utmost to ensure that prepare
:43:19. > :43:30.bashers event that employers facilitating tax evasion. -,
:43:31. > :43:37.would he agree there's a re`l case to be made for extending bexond tax
:43:38. > :43:43.evasion issues, the remix this bill? I certainly think that is something
:43:44. > :43:47.that can be looked at and consulted on. This bill is achieving `
:43:48. > :43:50.manifesto commitment to doing exactly what it says on the tenth of
:43:51. > :43:57.that is what the Government is trying to deliver this evenhng. I
:43:58. > :44:02.will carry on if I may. Hopdfully this will have the same effdct as
:44:03. > :44:07.health and safety legislation has had with companies taking the lead
:44:08. > :44:12.in rooting out bad practice to avoid being liable themselves, for
:44:13. > :44:18.incidents caused by their elployees. Some businesses may dismiss this as
:44:19. > :44:25.red tape. If it is red tape, it is important red tape. It is vdry much
:44:26. > :44:31.focused on the aim it is trxing to achieve. It is important to ensure
:44:32. > :44:35.the integrity of our world leading financial services sector in London.
:44:36. > :44:40.This has been welcomed by m`ny in the industry, including the chief
:44:41. > :44:45.Executive of the British bankers Association, although his utterances
:44:46. > :44:49.are not necessarily supportdd by me. Mr Deputy Speaker, I have touched on
:44:50. > :44:53.a few provisions in this bill. There are many other provisions which are
:44:54. > :44:57.tidying up provisions, that are extensions of existing laws based on
:44:58. > :45:00.feedback to the garment frol the police and law enforcement `gencies
:45:01. > :45:05.on the deficiencies in their current powers. That approach is to be
:45:06. > :45:11.strongly welcomed. When it comes to the fast moving world of crhminality
:45:12. > :45:16.that our police are trying to prevent and detect, we in this House
:45:17. > :45:20.must be fleet of foot. The Government is doing so tonight.
:45:21. > :45:25.Honourable members from across the house will welcome the aims behind
:45:26. > :45:32.this bill unreservedly. I hope that means all the clauses as well. Thank
:45:33. > :45:37.you. I am the first nonlawydr to speak from the backbenches. I think
:45:38. > :45:41.I am the first member in thd House of Commons to acknowledge actually
:45:42. > :45:46.the role played by our formdr Prime Minister in giving leadershhp on
:45:47. > :45:50.this issue of anti-corruption and indeed the right honourable member
:45:51. > :45:54.for Brentwood and Ongar, thd anti-corruption czar. I think they
:45:55. > :45:59.should both be acknowledged that the work they did lead to what we are
:46:00. > :46:05.considering. I am with everxbody who has spoken so far. This bill is
:46:06. > :46:12.extremely important. The estimates, whether by the National Crile Agency
:46:13. > :46:18.or HMR see of the billions of pounds that are laundered through the UK,
:46:19. > :46:25.the billions of pounds lost to public services, because HMRC are
:46:26. > :46:34.unable to collect them make this a very important measure. I slightly
:46:35. > :46:38.fear the rhetoric that many have given this afternoon does not
:46:39. > :46:42.reflect the reality. I hope the minister will be able to respond to
:46:43. > :46:47.some of the issues I want to raise with him. Others have raised the
:46:48. > :46:51.issue of the omission of tax havens. I think the failure to take action
:46:52. > :46:59.on the overseas territories and Crown dependencies, which act as key
:47:00. > :47:04.jurisdictions in support of a lot of tax evasion, tax avoidance, and
:47:05. > :47:08.corruption, is a grave error. I hope the minister will reflect on it
:47:09. > :47:14.during the proceedings of the bill that we can see whether or not we
:47:15. > :47:18.can introduce some amendment. I have to say to the Government th`t their
:47:19. > :47:24.failure to mention these territories makes them complicit in fachlitating
:47:25. > :47:29.the very corruption they sax they wish to tackle through the clauses
:47:30. > :47:34.of this bill. Thank you for giving way. I agree with the previous
:47:35. > :47:37.speakers that is something was done about the overseas dependencies it
:47:38. > :47:40.would give more credibility to the Government because the Government
:47:41. > :47:48.has committed itself to report on tax avoidance in some of thdse tax
:47:49. > :47:52.havens overseas. If they're going to negotiate with other governlents and
:47:53. > :47:55.get them on board, they shotld do something about overseas
:47:56. > :48:04.dependencies. I agree entirdly with the comments from my honour`ble
:48:05. > :48:12.friend. Well she give way? H will indeed. Does she not agree that the
:48:13. > :48:16.actual danger, while we support what is in this bill, you might drive
:48:17. > :48:21.even more business towards the overseas territories and encourage
:48:22. > :48:25.even more of the problems that have been identified already? Indeed I
:48:26. > :48:30.would also add I think prob`bly with the Brexit provisions that light
:48:31. > :48:38.also lead to increased activity through the overseas territories the
:48:39. > :48:43.tax havens as well. There are a number of dangers on that. There are
:48:44. > :48:47.a number of members who havd already raised evidence suggesting the
:48:48. > :48:53.importance of this. I would point to two or three facts. There w`s the
:48:54. > :48:59.World Bank review of 213 corruption cases which was undertaken. A review
:49:00. > :49:08.of cases over a 30 year perhod from 1982 to 210. Many of those cases
:49:09. > :49:11.involved shelved entities. The UK Crown dependencies and overseas
:49:12. > :49:16.territories were second aftdr the US on the list of those providhng shell
:49:17. > :49:23.entities. I think that is vdry clear evidence the importance of the role
:49:24. > :49:27.from the Crown dependencies and overseas territories. Do we really
:49:28. > :49:30.always have to wait for another leaked to understand the role that
:49:31. > :49:38.is being played by these Crown dependencies? I think the ldak of
:49:39. > :49:42.the Panama papers is one in a stream. If you look at the
:49:43. > :49:46.information garnered from those leaks, there were over 200,000
:49:47. > :49:57.corporate entities. More th`n half were registered in BDI, in that
:49:58. > :50:03.territory. Again, I would ask the minister to consider that. Something
:50:04. > :50:05.else I came across, and Afrhcan progress panel, which found that
:50:06. > :50:15.citizens of the Democratic Republic of the combo -- Congo word deprived
:50:16. > :50:18.of resources, money that was twice their health and education budgets
:50:19. > :50:22.combined. That was due to the sale of mining contracts to five
:50:23. > :50:29.anonymous companies. Those `ssets were sold at about a six of their
:50:30. > :50:35.commercial value and then it enabled the secret of offshore comp`nies to
:50:36. > :50:40.sell them on and secure profits of over 500% of the original monies
:50:41. > :50:45.that they take. Again, losing desperately needed public rdsources
:50:46. > :50:51.to the poorest of the countries in the world. If we are really to
:50:52. > :50:54.tackle the corruption, the dvasion and the avoidance which occtrs in
:50:55. > :50:59.jurisdictions over which we have ultimate control, we have to have
:51:00. > :51:07.the transparency, which a ntmber of members in this afternoon's debate
:51:08. > :51:13.have asked for. I listen carefully to what might Honourable Lady Sarah.
:51:14. > :51:19.I just ask will she not concede that since, and in the lead up to the
:51:20. > :51:21.anti-corruption Summit in M`y, when the Crown dependencies and overseas
:51:22. > :51:30.territories agreed to establish central registers and agreed to a
:51:31. > :51:34.data-sharing system with thd United Kingdom enforcement agencies, almost
:51:35. > :51:41.in real time it will give us access to that data, that goes a long way
:51:42. > :51:49.to meet some of her concerns. I recognise that this is wantdd to be
:51:50. > :51:53.public. That goes some way. On the other side, the and explaindd wealth
:51:54. > :51:55.orders will allow us to grab the money, should they put the loney in
:51:56. > :52:02.this country and live in thd nice houses they somehow seem to do. I
:52:03. > :52:05.have to say it is my view and that of the British government,
:52:06. > :52:11.publicising those registers of ownership. It is absolutely crucial.
:52:12. > :52:16.We decided to do it for ourselves. Why are we using powers to dnforce
:52:17. > :52:19.it on the Crown dependencies and overseas territories? The rdason we
:52:20. > :52:25.have decided to do this are multiple. For many of the poorer
:52:26. > :52:29.countries, actually getting that agencies up to speed so thex are
:52:30. > :52:35.able to pursue and know what questions to ask is tough. Hf you
:52:36. > :52:39.have public registers, that is much easier for others to interrogate it,
:52:40. > :52:47.civil society to interrogatd it You are more likely to be able to see
:52:48. > :52:53.that. The other thing is, again it is a very reactive response. If it
:52:54. > :52:59.is only a register that can only be interrogated by the international
:53:00. > :53:02.agencies, the international agencies who are allowed to have accdss, it
:53:03. > :53:05.means you have to get to thd point where you know there is somdthing
:53:06. > :53:09.you want and you after before you are going to be able to discover
:53:10. > :53:14.whether or not there is information about beneficial ownership which is
:53:15. > :53:20.relevant to a criminal activity or aggressive tax avoidance or whatever
:53:21. > :53:23.it is. It presupposes a degree of resources, intensive resources, and
:53:24. > :53:31.knowledge, which won't necessarily be there. We welcome the crdation of
:53:32. > :53:37.these agencies but having them public is absolutely essenthal to
:53:38. > :53:42.making them work. Actually, the minister should listen to the words
:53:43. > :53:47.of the former Prime Minister. He was absolutely clear, year-on-ydar, when
:53:48. > :53:51.he talked about these issues, that it was openness and transparency of
:53:52. > :53:57.these registers that matter. He said in 2013, to the Crown dependencies
:53:58. > :54:03.and overseas territories, that they would have to rip aside the cloak of
:54:04. > :54:08.secrecy by creating a public register of beneficial ownership. He
:54:09. > :54:11.said in April 2014, when he wrote to the overseas territories, bdneficial
:54:12. > :54:18.ownership and public access to the central register is key to hmproving
:54:19. > :54:23.the transparency of company ownership and vital to meethng the
:54:24. > :54:27.urgent challenges of illicit finance and tax evasion. He said he hoped
:54:28. > :54:31.overseas charities would follow suit to consult on a public registry and
:54:32. > :54:36.look at what we were doing here in the UK. He said on a trip to the
:54:37. > :54:41.Caribbean in September 20 14th, some of the British Crown dependdncies
:54:42. > :54:44.and overseas territories ard making progress in this direction. Others
:54:45. > :54:50.are not moving anywhere near fast enough. I say to them all today
:54:51. > :54:54.including those in this reghon, the Caribbean, if we want to brdak the
:54:55. > :54:59.business model of stealing loney and crowding it in places where it
:55:00. > :55:04.cannot be seen, transparencx is the answer. And he said, when wd
:55:05. > :55:09.established our own public register here in the UK, there are m`ny wider
:55:10. > :55:13.benefits to making this information available to everyone. It is better
:55:14. > :55:17.for business here and we will be able to identify who really owns the
:55:18. > :55:21.companies they are trading with It is better for developing cotntries
:55:22. > :55:25.who have easy access to all this data without having to submht
:55:26. > :55:29.endless requests for each lhne of enquiry. It is better for us all to
:55:30. > :55:33.have a system which everyond has access to because the more dyes that
:55:34. > :55:38.look at this information, the more accurate it will be. I would simply
:55:39. > :55:46.say to the minister, I really do agree, in this instance, with the
:55:47. > :55:49.former Prime Minister, and H hope the present government will listen
:55:50. > :55:53.carefully to the wise words that he had to say. I am very grateful to
:55:54. > :55:58.the Honourable Lady for givhng way. She is making a very powerftl speech
:55:59. > :56:01.was that does she agree with me that the Government can be comforted that
:56:02. > :56:06.extending this transparency to the tax havens would be a very popular
:56:07. > :56:09.myth that the public? It shows over two thirds of people think the
:56:10. > :56:13.Government should do this and research published by Oxfam shows
:56:14. > :56:14.there are high levels of support for extending this transparency across
:56:15. > :56:22.the political spectrum. I have seen that survey, and I think
:56:23. > :56:27.any action the Minister would take would be warmly welcomed by the
:56:28. > :56:31.public across the whole of the United Kingdom of all ages `nd
:56:32. > :56:36.genders. It is a really important bit of work which I hope thd
:56:37. > :56:42.Minister will take seriouslx. And I am concerned by the actions so far.
:56:43. > :56:46.I am concerned that in Decelber 2015 we had the joint ministerial
:56:47. > :56:49.Council, the Government failed to persuade those territories to
:56:50. > :56:54.implement public registers. I am concerned that in March 2014 the
:56:55. > :56:59.Cayman Isles and the British virgin Isles refused to meet Ministers from
:57:00. > :57:02.the Foreign Office and the Treasury. I am concerned that they fahled to
:57:03. > :57:07.meet the financial Secretarx's request that they would adopt
:57:08. > :57:11.registers by 2015. I am concerned that they have ignored lettdrs from
:57:12. > :57:16.UK Government Ministers, and I am deeply concerned, and I hopd
:57:17. > :57:25.Ministers can answer this point that tax isn't even on the `genda
:57:26. > :57:30.for the forthcoming meeting. We do have the powers, we have usdd them
:57:31. > :57:36.before as the honourable lady told us earlier. The Government lust act,
:57:37. > :57:41.and I would say even this. Hf the Minister could today tell us that
:57:42. > :57:47.these things have a timelind at the end of which, if matters cannot be
:57:48. > :57:50.resolved in a collective and collaborative way with the overseas
:57:51. > :57:54.territories and the Crown dependencies, the Government will
:57:55. > :57:59.use its power, I think that would go a long way to settling the concerns
:58:00. > :58:04.of many of us, so I hope he can at least consider that as a possibility
:58:05. > :58:09.for taking the matter forward. Can I just briefly comment on somd of the
:58:10. > :58:14.other provisions in what I say is a warmly welcome bit of legislation.
:58:15. > :58:18.On the unexplained wealth orders, I think it is particularly welcome
:58:19. > :58:23.that they will be applicabld, no matter where in the world the
:58:24. > :58:28.offence takes place. But can I ask in two questions. If the money comes
:58:29. > :58:37.from an overseas territory, from a developing territory, will there be
:58:38. > :58:42.a notification to that country of the setting of an unexplaindd wealth
:58:43. > :58:48.order? Again in that our enforcement agencies will be somewhat more
:58:49. > :58:55.capable and some of the othdrs in pursuing that laundered mondy? I am
:58:56. > :58:58.grateful to the honourable lady I can get an exact answer to xour
:58:59. > :59:03.question. Around that we have started to sign agreements with a
:59:04. > :59:05.number of countries, we signed in August with Nigeria to help them
:59:06. > :59:11.recover their assets without barriers from here to there and for
:59:12. > :59:15.us to give them assistance both in their country and hear about better
:59:16. > :59:19.tackling crime, and once thdy find it, getting back to them as soon as
:59:20. > :59:24.we can. I am grateful to thd Minister. I wonder whether he could
:59:25. > :59:32.explain why the orders don't apply to people inside the EEA, and
:59:33. > :59:35.whether or not he would be looking again at that issue, becausd I think
:59:36. > :59:43.that occasionally may be relevant and important. That is quitd
:59:44. > :59:48.straightforward. We are unable under EU law to discriminate against
:59:49. > :59:53.different members of the EE@, what we do for the UK citizens wd also
:59:54. > :00:03.have to do for other members of the EU. There are two other isstes I
:00:04. > :00:07.wish to raise. One arises ott of a debate that has been held in the
:00:08. > :00:11.House in March 2012, and it was initiated by the honourable member
:00:12. > :00:21.for Esher and Walton on what is known as the mad Nitschke alendment,
:00:22. > :00:45.and it relates to and it relates to the
:00:46. > :00:49.brutal murder of the Russian Sergei Magnitsky who accidentally tncovered
:00:50. > :00:58.money-laundering in his country and was subsequently murdered. The
:00:59. > :01:02.amendment has been enacted hn America, and what it would do is
:01:03. > :01:07.ensure that those foreign individuals involved in corruption
:01:08. > :01:13.and human rights abuses, th`t is a slight difference, they havd their
:01:14. > :01:21.assets frozen, I denied right of entry to this country and that they
:01:22. > :01:24.are publicly named and shamdd. And again, I think there is strong
:01:25. > :01:30.cross-party for support for trying to get what is known as the
:01:31. > :01:34.Magnitsky style amendment introduced into UK legislation, and I would
:01:35. > :01:38.hope that he would look favourably on that. As I have looked at the
:01:39. > :01:43.details of that, one of the particularly disturbing aspdct of it
:01:44. > :01:47.is how many of our UK banks according to evidence given to the
:01:48. > :01:57.Home Affairs Select Committde were involved in laundering the `lleged
:01:58. > :02:00.$30 million into the UK, HSBC, NatWest, Bank of Scotland, RBS,
:02:01. > :02:07.Citibank, bank of, Lloyds TSB and the bank of Tokyo. So I was hoping
:02:08. > :02:13.that out of that horrific tragedy, we might be able to introduce
:02:14. > :02:19.something which I think would be an important change in our leghslative
:02:20. > :02:23.aspect. The final thing I w`nted to talk about was the corporatd failure
:02:24. > :02:29.to prevent tax evasion, which other members have talked about. @gain I
:02:30. > :02:32.welcome this as the first attempt to place responsibility for tax evasion
:02:33. > :02:39.not just on individuals but on the corporations. However, this is a
:02:40. > :02:44.very, very small first step towards making those who are responsible for
:02:45. > :02:50.devising, advising, facilit`ting evasion and avoidance actually also
:02:51. > :02:56.accountable for their actions. And I think it is worth before we go over
:02:57. > :03:01.the top on saying what a grdat change it is, it is only whdre there
:03:02. > :03:05.has been a criminal offence successfully prosecuted agahnst an
:03:06. > :03:10.individual, it is only wherd there has been an offence against an
:03:11. > :03:13.individual adviser working for the corporation, it doesn't covdr
:03:14. > :03:18.negligence by the corporation, it doesn't make the corporation
:03:19. > :03:23.responsible for the crimes of its staff, it doesn't cover aggressive
:03:24. > :03:33.tax avoidance and unlike my are bought members on the opposhte
:03:34. > :03:40.bench, that is where the important attention needs to be and wd simply
:03:41. > :03:46.ask that procedures are in place so that it is not fail-safe procedures.
:03:47. > :03:51.As I thought through some of the instances we had, where durhng my
:03:52. > :03:56.time in showing the Public @ccounts Committee, where corporations we
:03:57. > :03:57.felt were misbehaving, I don't think it would cover
:03:58. > :04:02.PricewaterhouseCoopers and `ll the stuff that it was doing in
:04:03. > :04:08.Luxembourg, where it was cldarly selling schemes on an industrial
:04:09. > :04:13.way, which had no other purpose than to avoid tax. We had a disctssion
:04:14. > :04:19.this morning, earlier on today, about Heathrow and the Brithsh
:04:20. > :04:23.Airways authority and Heathrow have managed to avoid paying a hdck of a
:04:24. > :04:29.lot of tax on massive billion pounds profits that they have made there.
:04:30. > :04:33.And I don't think it would cover, and this is really important, that
:04:34. > :04:37.when we interviewed advertisers on the advice they give to corporations
:04:38. > :04:43.and individuals around tax, they will give advice as long as there is
:04:44. > :04:48.a 50% chance that it is not challenged by HMRC, so the reverse
:04:49. > :04:54.of that is that there are a 50% chance that it will be challenged,
:04:55. > :04:58.but HMRC, given the enormitx of the task and the limited nature of their
:04:59. > :05:03.resources, it takes a long time to catch up with these schemes, and
:05:04. > :05:07.they don't have the resourcds that some of these big accountancy firms,
:05:08. > :05:18.advisers, banks, lawyers and so on do have. So that is not caught by
:05:19. > :05:22.the very welcome but small leasure that has been taken. The only thing
:05:23. > :05:26.I could think that would be caught out of all the work we did hs the
:05:27. > :05:31.actions of HSBC when the nonexecutive director Rona Fairhead
:05:32. > :05:36.gave evidence to us, and sotght to blame in that particular instance
:05:37. > :05:41.the whistle-blower for being a thief, which I thought was pretty
:05:42. > :05:44.awful, and then blamed front line staff are doing what was obviously
:05:45. > :05:50.expected of them by the org`nisation for which they work, and shd is a
:05:51. > :05:55.nonexecutive director earning half ?1 million a year from her
:05:56. > :05:58.nonexecutive duties in HSBC felt she had no responsibility to ensure
:05:59. > :06:04.corporate governance, so I could see it perhaps catching that sort of
:06:05. > :06:08.instance, but it is very lilited, and again, I would welcome `s we go
:06:09. > :06:13.through this bill if there `re opportunities to extend what I think
:06:14. > :06:16.is a very important first step to ensuring corporate liabilitx as well
:06:17. > :06:20.as individual liability and accountability for actions taken in
:06:21. > :06:25.that context, and I warmly welcome the Bill and hope the Minister can
:06:26. > :06:29.take the further steps I suggested. It is a pleasure to follow one from
:06:30. > :06:33.the right honourable member for Barking, and I would also lhke to
:06:34. > :06:36.place on record that I must be the second nonlawyer speaking this
:06:37. > :06:39.afternoon. I rise to support the Bill, and in particular the
:06:40. > :06:45.provisions which relate to countering terrorism financhng. Back
:06:46. > :06:50.in November last year, shortly after the horrific terrorist attacks in
:06:51. > :06:55.Paris, I wrote to the then Prime Minister, my right honourable friend
:06:56. > :06:58.the Member for Witney. I rahsed my concern is that oversees funding
:06:59. > :07:04.received by religious or edtcational establishment in this country which
:07:05. > :07:07.radicalise and promote extrdmist values, basic criminality,
:07:08. > :07:13.regardless of how they network, individuals, mosques, schools or
:07:14. > :07:16.community groups. I argued that if an organisation is unwilling to
:07:17. > :07:21.agree to a set of tolerant principles which society considers
:07:22. > :07:25.acceptable, it is not unreasonable to prevent them receiving dtbious
:07:26. > :07:30.funding from overseas. I am not naive to the accusation that this
:07:31. > :07:34.approach could in itself be seen as intolerant, but we have accdpted
:07:35. > :07:40.that there are rules which funders of political parties and unhons must
:07:41. > :07:44.adhere to, so why not funders of other institutions? Extremism is a
:07:45. > :07:48.symptom of criminal ideologx, and we must cut off any finance whhch
:07:49. > :07:52.helped to spread ideology which promotes criminality, extrelism and
:07:53. > :07:57.violence. This bill builds on the Government's action plan for
:07:58. > :08:02.anti-money-laundering and counterterrorist finance, bx putting
:08:03. > :08:04.into law one of the main prhnciples of the plan, greater inform`tion
:08:05. > :08:09.sharing between the private and public sectors. It goes without
:08:10. > :08:12.saying that we cannot disrupt terrorist financing unless we know
:08:13. > :08:16.about it, and I welcome the fact that this bill fully recognhses
:08:17. > :08:19.that, and proposes concrete measures that reflect it, measures to
:08:20. > :08:25.introduce a disclosure order regime under the Terrorism Act offdring new
:08:26. > :08:29.opportunities to undercover illicit financing of terrorists or dxtremist
:08:30. > :08:35.related behaviour and the promotion of criminality. We have alrdady seen
:08:36. > :08:41.the benefits of accredited financial investigators in proceeds of crime
:08:42. > :08:49.investigations, and it is rhght that those benefits will be extended to
:08:50. > :08:53.counterterrorism investigathons Mr Deputy Speaker, I believe that we
:08:54. > :08:56.still need to go further with provisions which are not appropriate
:08:57. > :09:01.for inclusion in this bill, but which would in my view strengthen
:09:02. > :09:07.its provisions. Mr Deputy Speaker, if I could be so bold as to make a
:09:08. > :09:09.suggestion, for example, thd vast majorities of churches are
:09:10. > :09:15.registered as charities, whhch means that their finances are transparent.
:09:16. > :09:18.I would suggest a formal register of mosques in the United Kingdom that
:09:19. > :09:22.would make it far easier to investigate their financial affairs,
:09:23. > :09:28.and fundamentally, their recruitment of Imams, especially if thex are
:09:29. > :09:34.overseas, and somehow understanding the brand of -- strand of Islam they
:09:35. > :09:41.wish to promote, and it would flush out intolerant ideas that ptt us at
:09:42. > :09:47.risk from criminals which those ideas are used to justify. Lr Deputy
:09:48. > :09:50.Speaker, the Islam came to this country with the communities that
:09:51. > :10:00.settled here is not the Isl`m that is being exported by Daesh today. It
:10:01. > :10:05.is our duty to protect commtnities from this foreign death cult and
:10:06. > :10:09.show that we stand by them hn countering extremism. As a lember of
:10:10. > :10:12.the Home Affairs Select Comlittee, I have seen all the evidence H need to
:10:13. > :10:17.justify our hard-headed responses to the threat of terrorism and criminal
:10:18. > :10:21.extremism. I hope that the Government will consider th`t
:10:22. > :10:30.particular step when the appropriate vehicle for it arises. As of June
:10:31. > :10:34.this year, there were a people in custody for terrorism offences and
:10:35. > :10:44.extremism, but there are sthll individuals based overseas whose aim
:10:45. > :10:48.is to spread intolerance and violence, and that spreads `cross
:10:49. > :10:55.borders. Terrorist groups nded access to well funded networks, and
:10:56. > :11:01.they are becoming increasingly complex and sophisticated. Ht is a
:11:02. > :11:06.challenge to accurately trace the flow of funds, but one thing remains
:11:07. > :11:12.the same, the objectives of terrorists. They seek to divide our
:11:13. > :11:16.communities, to spread fear and hate and undermined the good work of
:11:17. > :11:20.community leaders who do evdrything they can, often in the face of an
:11:21. > :11:26.helpful competition to make sure that amenities are safe.
:11:27. > :11:30.Counter-terrorism financing will take another step in preventing the
:11:31. > :11:33.spread of organised crime and terrorism. This bill offers the
:11:34. > :11:37.Government support to those leaders of communities and makes us all
:11:38. > :11:40.safer, and undermines the fhnancial management of terror groups and
:11:41. > :11:41.coordinate legal measures to combat them, and I therefore more lilli
:11:42. > :11:57.bulk of it. -- warmly welcole it. May I congratulate on a rather
:11:58. > :12:01.sufficient speech. What she was talking about brings us togdther.
:12:02. > :12:06.Also it's a pleasure to follow the member for barking. She was a
:12:07. > :12:16.commendable former chair of the Public Accounts Committee, of which
:12:17. > :12:22.I am a member. Many people `re very pleased she is not the chair
:12:23. > :12:26.anymore. I am not one of those. Mr Deputy Speaker, for too long law
:12:27. > :12:30.enforcement agencies have h`d to fight organised crime and tdrrorism
:12:31. > :12:35.with one arm effectively behind their backs. It is not posshble to
:12:36. > :12:38.counter organised crime and terrorism as effectively as needed
:12:39. > :12:44.without the power to properly investigate and confiscate criminal
:12:45. > :12:48.property and the proceeds of crime. Broadly speaking, I like many
:12:49. > :12:52.speakers today, support most of the measures outlined in principle. I
:12:53. > :12:55.believe it is right that those who have gained assets under suspicious
:12:56. > :13:00.circumstances should be askdd to explain where they came frol. Where
:13:01. > :13:04.it is found they are involvdd in a crime and the assets are thd
:13:05. > :13:07.proceeds of that crime, Law enforcement should be able to
:13:08. > :13:15.confiscate and seize assets beyond cash. This is the only way to ensure
:13:16. > :13:18.that justice is done and for the proceeds of crime to be rettrned
:13:19. > :13:25.into the system and used for public good. With regard to financhal
:13:26. > :13:29.crimes, information sharing between banks is key to investigation. I am
:13:30. > :13:34.very pleased to see the measures have been included in the bhll to
:13:35. > :13:39.improve this. I would ask the minister, is there any comeback from
:13:40. > :13:45.the banks? In the past, when they have talked about sharing d`ta, they
:13:46. > :13:52.have been very reticent bec`use of competition purposes. I hopd this
:13:53. > :13:54.will be brought out in the bill Likewise, I am pleased at the
:13:55. > :13:57.shocking revelations in the so-called Panama papers earlier this
:13:58. > :14:03.year that the Government is fulfilling its commitment to be
:14:04. > :14:09.tough on the middleman. Involved in tax evasion and other financial
:14:10. > :14:13.crimes. It is vital the corporations and their employees involved in
:14:14. > :14:17.facilitating tax evasion and other financial crimes in the UK `nd
:14:18. > :14:22.internationally must be held to account. I also welcome the
:14:23. > :14:28.inclusion of investigations into terrorism financing in the bill It
:14:29. > :14:33.is vital if we are to clamp down on bile and extremism and we do not
:14:34. > :14:38.have access to resources thdy need to commission that acts of dvil
:14:39. > :14:42.However, there are certain dlements of the bill which I believe our
:14:43. > :14:49.final ball to be undermined. Although the measures set ott would
:14:50. > :14:55.apply in the United Kingdom, it would not appear they would apply in
:14:56. > :14:59.British Overseas Territories and Crown to millions. This problem must
:15:00. > :15:05.be addressed. Otherwise I fdar the bill is at risk of being severely
:15:06. > :15:09.weakened and the power to investigate crime will be wdakened.
:15:10. > :15:14.British Overseas Territories, including the Cayman Islands and the
:15:15. > :15:18.British virgin islands, havd extremely lamentable policids with
:15:19. > :15:22.regards to transparency. I know the former Prime Minister was ddsperate
:15:23. > :15:27.to bring about change this xear I pay tribute to his work in this
:15:28. > :15:32.area. For me, these islands literally harbour money. As the
:15:33. > :15:35.registered homes to some of the most largest and valuable super xachts in
:15:36. > :15:40.the world. If anyone wants to walk across a harbour in Spain and Italy
:15:41. > :15:45.and see this dashes of their huge superyacht is of the Russian
:15:46. > :15:50.oligarchs and CBI registered to the Cayman Islands, one has to `sk why a
:15:51. > :15:55.Russian oligarch finds the Cayman Islands so attractive in whhch to
:15:56. > :16:02.register his vote. It could be the weather but I wonder if it could be
:16:03. > :16:10.something a bit more sinistdr. - his yacht. A timetable has not yet
:16:11. > :16:18.been agreed to provide central registers. This can be used to
:16:19. > :16:22.launder money and hide aspects. If the Government intention behind the
:16:23. > :16:27.bill is to tackle money-laundering and corruption, to recover the
:16:28. > :16:33.proceeds of crime, you will find that game could be undermindd.
:16:34. > :16:36.Moving money between secrethve trusts and offshore companids, some
:16:37. > :16:40.of the most serious and org`nised criminals including those who
:16:41. > :16:45.commission acts of terrorisl could still operate. The need to tackle
:16:46. > :16:50.organised crime and terrorism is important from a domestic
:16:51. > :16:54.standpoint. It is important we play our part to tackle internathonal
:16:55. > :16:59.corruption. The World Bank tndertook a review of 213 serious corruption
:17:00. > :17:07.cases. They found secret colpany ownership switch relied upon in
:17:08. > :17:12.order to facilitate corrupthon in 70% of those cases. The UK `longside
:17:13. > :17:16.other overseas territories `nd Crown dominions provided the second
:17:17. > :17:22.largest numbers of these colpanies. That demands urgent action. It is
:17:23. > :17:26.sometimes hard for us to understand the serious effects of corrtption,
:17:27. > :17:30.as in mainland Britain and Northern Ireland, corruption is largdly under
:17:31. > :17:36.control and swiftly dealt whth whenever it emerges. However,
:17:37. > :17:42.developing countries, the mhsuse of public funds has a devastathng
:17:43. > :17:46.effect. The Africa progress panel found that 1.35 billion was stolen
:17:47. > :17:52.from the citizens of the Delocratic Republic of Congo. That was due to
:17:53. > :17:57.the sale of mining contracts for just 16 of the commercial v`lue The
:17:58. > :18:02.contracts were sold to five anonymous companies, based hn the
:18:03. > :18:07.British virgin islands. To give some perspective of the scale of this
:18:08. > :18:13.lost to the people of the Ddmocratic Republic of Congo, the 1.35 billion
:18:14. > :18:17.figure is twice the health `nd education budget of that cotntry
:18:18. > :18:23.combined. It is simply a devastating loss. For a country that has a
:18:24. > :18:27.history of corruption, murddr, death and execution, and all the tragic
:18:28. > :18:33.background which has seen m`ny women and girls and children becole
:18:34. > :18:41.victims of a tyrant, this again is another sad chapter in that
:18:42. > :18:47.country's long and tragic hhstory. I believe it may be unwise for the UK
:18:48. > :18:50.Government to unnecessarily force British Overseas Territories and
:18:51. > :18:54.Crown to millions due to constitutional problems to create
:18:55. > :18:58.greater transparency through inclusion in this particular bill.
:18:59. > :19:03.It is clear that government action must be taken. Earlier this year,
:19:04. > :19:08.the former Prime Minister l`id out commitment to transparency, which I
:19:09. > :19:13.welcomed. And has urged all British Overseas Territories and Crown
:19:14. > :19:17.dominions to make changes. This is an important step forward. The
:19:18. > :19:25.mentor has fallen away and lore action must be taken. Real people
:19:26. > :19:29.are losing out every single day as a result of international correction.
:19:30. > :19:33.Organised crime and terrorism. If the Government is serious about
:19:34. > :19:37.countering it and meeting a duty not only to ourselves but others around
:19:38. > :19:41.the world, they must now stop dragging their feet over wh`t I
:19:42. > :19:46.believe is a very important issue. In summary, as I mentioned, I
:19:47. > :19:51.welcome the principle behind this bill. I'd feel it will simply not do
:19:52. > :19:57.the job as intended. I look to the Government and the opposition to
:19:58. > :20:00.move amendments to improve this bill. The Government is not covering
:20:01. > :20:03.all the bases, particularly with regard to British Overseas
:20:04. > :20:13.Territories and Crown Dominhcans -- crowned dominions. The Government
:20:14. > :20:17.must act its words with acthons It must put pressure on British
:20:18. > :20:24.Overseas Territories to embrace transparency. Only when transparency
:20:25. > :20:27.has been achieved will be change. Ensuring that UK-based international
:20:28. > :20:30.criminals and terrorists ard stripped of resources and otr
:20:31. > :20:38.citizens, wherever they livd, are safe. Thank you very much. H have
:20:39. > :20:46.not been in a debate before where the Honourable member has
:20:47. > :20:51.participated and now we havd the privilege of two in one day. It is
:20:52. > :20:54.good. It is strange standing here talking about the criminal finances
:20:55. > :21:00.bill. A lot of what we are discussing will be totally `lien and
:21:01. > :21:03.completely baffling to many of my constituents in Aberdeen North. I
:21:04. > :21:08.think many of them will be sitting there thinking, why are we doing
:21:09. > :21:14.this stuff already? Why has it taken so long for governments to get round
:21:15. > :21:18.to bringing in some of thesd issues, particularly in relation to
:21:19. > :21:21.unexplained wealth orders? H am supportive of this and think it is a
:21:22. > :21:28.good idea to be bringing re`son Many people are wondering why this
:21:29. > :21:33.has not happened before. Most of my constituents will only ever earn
:21:34. > :21:38.money through PAYE. They pax tax through PAYE. They will not see
:21:39. > :21:42.corporation tax or any of the taxes we are talking about today `nd they
:21:43. > :21:47.will not therefore know quite how complex the UK tax code is. They
:21:48. > :21:51.will not be aware that it t`kes a whole van to transport the tax
:21:52. > :21:57.codes, as is regularly menthoned in this chamber. I am aware th`t
:21:58. > :22:03.reputations are lame two th`t are positively encouraged. The tax code
:22:04. > :22:07.being so complex means it's berry easy for people to find loopholes in
:22:08. > :22:11.it and to exploit those loopholes. I appreciate the measures the
:22:12. > :22:16.Government is taking today to attempt to move towards closing at
:22:17. > :22:21.least some of those loopholds. There are some fairly glaring omissions.
:22:22. > :22:23.As was mentioned by Mike Honourable colleague from Dumfries and
:22:24. > :22:31.Galloway, I am sure will be mentioned by my honourable friend
:22:32. > :22:35.for kick and Cowdenbeath, the partnerships are still misshng from
:22:36. > :22:42.theirs. We have brought it tp. It was widely reported in the Herald. I
:22:43. > :22:47.think people in Scotland, who have read these articles, will bd very
:22:48. > :22:50.clear this is something the UK Government is absolutely nedds to
:22:51. > :22:56.fix and can do so relativelx easily because of the high percent`ge of
:22:57. > :22:59.these SLP 's that are being used for crime and financing crime. There are
:23:00. > :23:05.a few other things I wanted to mention. The Honourable member for
:23:06. > :23:10.Harborough talked about the Victorian principles behind some of
:23:11. > :23:16.the things we have in finance and tax law. I think that is thd big
:23:17. > :23:19.problem we have. A lot of these laws have evolved over a number of years
:23:20. > :23:25.and there has never been a wholescale review. Let's take it all
:23:26. > :23:30.apart and start again. Let's tinker a bit. In some ways, Scotland, when
:23:31. > :23:34.we have the demolition of some of the tax powers was in a much better
:23:35. > :23:41.position because we can start with much more of a clean slate. Our
:23:42. > :23:47.general anti-avoidance rule was said by a convener of tax law, the tax
:23:48. > :23:52.law subcommittee, she said the general anti-avoidance rule in
:23:53. > :23:56.Scotland is much fiercer th`n the UK one. I think it has widely been
:23:57. > :24:00.commented that the Scottish Government has been in this position
:24:01. > :24:06.to have a much stronger law and a much stronger rule. That has been
:24:07. > :24:10.beneficial for us in terms of admin devolved taxes. Just a couple more
:24:11. > :24:17.things I want to bring art. I want to bring up the HMRC officers. My
:24:18. > :24:22.colleague mentioned both wh`t we are calling for is a moratorium for
:24:23. > :24:27.closure of HMRC officers. If we re going to be trying to say this is a
:24:28. > :24:31.massive priority for us, a lassive priority for the UK, making sure the
:24:32. > :24:37.tax loopholes are closed and making sure that criminals are not
:24:38. > :24:42.exploiting the tax and also particularly with tax evasion, then
:24:43. > :24:47.it seems really bizarre to be choosing to close offices r`ther
:24:48. > :24:50.than actually having more staff and more resource spent on ensuring
:24:51. > :24:55.these exploitations are not happening. I would appreciate if you
:24:56. > :25:00.could consider again the loss of these important officers and these
:25:01. > :25:05.important and very dedicated staff members as well. I think th`t is one
:25:06. > :25:13.of the key things. I also w`nted to talk about the fact that wh`t the
:25:14. > :25:18.Government is doing or how the current system is set up, it does
:25:19. > :25:21.not encourage people to havd confidence in the economic system.
:25:22. > :25:25.It is much like the House of Commons. The House of Commons is set
:25:26. > :25:29.up in a very traditional wave of the standing orders were written
:25:30. > :25:34.hundreds of years ago. They do not encourage for transparency. They do
:25:35. > :25:38.not encourage people to be confident in the system because they `llow
:25:39. > :25:43.some people to have too much power. It is much that the tax law and the
:25:44. > :25:46.tax code is much the same. They are too old some of them and thdy have
:25:47. > :25:55.been tinkered with rather than wholescale changed. And thex
:25:56. > :25:59.encourage and allow some of those people who are in receipt of
:26:00. > :26:02.millions and millions and mhllions of pounds to continue to have
:26:03. > :26:05.millions and millions and mhllions of bands without paying the
:26:06. > :26:09.appropriate tax most people at the bottom do not see that. One of the
:26:10. > :26:13.problems with the current sxstem is that nobody has confidence hn it.
:26:14. > :26:17.Criminals have worked out how they can get around and they continue to
:26:18. > :26:21.sow do. People at the bottol of the pile, who are not involved hn paying
:26:22. > :26:27.his taxes or seeing the crilinal proceeds do not have confiddnce in
:26:28. > :26:30.this will stop the Government will have a real job of work to do if it
:26:31. > :26:34.wants to ensure that bills like this one actually bring back confidence
:26:35. > :26:39.in our tax and regulatory sxstems. My colleague was talking about the
:26:40. > :26:46.free market economy in Amerhca and some of the moves they have made.
:26:47. > :26:52.If we were to make moves in terms of financial regulation partictlarly
:26:53. > :26:58.around property ownership in relation to London and owners who
:26:59. > :27:05.own vast swathes of land in the Scottish Highlands those thhngs
:27:06. > :27:20.would inspire more confidence in the general public. The honourable
:27:21. > :27:23.member from Barking and my college from Edinburgh mentioned thd new
:27:24. > :27:29.government ball and the confidence in these measures and the concerns
:27:30. > :27:32.of the government in tax ev`sion and counter dependencies. Because this
:27:33. > :27:36.is being so widely reported in the news the public are really concerned
:27:37. > :27:40.about it and I think the fact that the government have not included
:27:41. > :27:45.within this bill and have not provided to Parliament a tiletable
:27:46. > :27:50.for public ownership registdrs being made available I think that
:27:51. > :27:52.increases their concerns further the quicker the government can come
:27:53. > :27:58.forward with even just a tileline to tell us when these things whll be
:27:59. > :28:01.made public, then the better for the confidence of the general ptblic in
:28:02. > :28:05.the tax system. As my colle`gue from the tax system. As my colle`gue from
:28:06. > :28:08.Dumfries Galloway said at this stage we're generally supportive of
:28:09. > :28:12.some of the measures that are in this bill but we do not feel it goes
:28:13. > :28:19.far enough especially to inspire public confidence in the me`sures
:28:20. > :28:33.that the government are takhng. Although much of this bill hs seen
:28:34. > :28:35.this way to many people in this chamber, all the critical
:28:36. > :28:39.of not being what is on the bill of not being what is on the bill
:28:40. > :28:45.that is what is not in the Bill and I think that spans every party that
:28:46. > :28:48.is spoken so far. Abbas strtck at the opening remarks to the Linister
:28:49. > :28:51.and there was wondering who was when to put this really in the context of
:28:52. > :28:56.the challenge that we face `nd I think this is best done by the
:28:57. > :29:02.Security minister when necessarily the marks he said on becoming a
:29:03. > :29:08.minister that the extent of criminality, and I think a court
:29:09. > :29:19.correctly, it takes the bre`th away. -- I caught him correctly. H think
:29:20. > :29:23.this bill does not quite take the breath away an extent it will deal
:29:24. > :29:28.with criminality. I would lhke to comment on three areas that had been
:29:29. > :29:33.mentioned so far. The first is looking at the permissive ctlture of
:29:34. > :29:38.banks. The best example I h`ve had, the best critic of this has come not
:29:39. > :29:43.from myself for anybody currently in this chamber but was back on the
:29:44. > :29:45.24th of May of this year from the Right Honourable
:29:46. > :29:51.Rushcliffe. He commented th`t when Rushcliffe. He commented th`t when
:29:52. > :29:55.talking about this forthcomhng bill and I quote, we in this country are
:29:56. > :29:58.very bad at dealing with white-collar crime and that is a
:29:59. > :30:05.growing awareness of that. Hf someone wishes to rob a bank they go
:30:06. > :30:11.to the market and did not ptt on a to the market and did not ptt on a
:30:12. > :30:16.balaclava and pick up a shot gun, that would be much less profitable.
:30:17. > :30:20.He was drying out the probldm very succinctly about the problel of the
:30:21. > :30:27.culture in banks which has created a context where it is easier to
:30:28. > :30:34.perform grand crimes than it is external to the banks, on the
:30:35. > :30:39.external old-fashioned robbdr. He went on to say London are still the
:30:40. > :30:47.money-laundering capital of the world. London is the best place for
:30:48. > :30:50.a serious international crilinal to put their money because the contrast
:30:51. > :30:55.the bankers to look after it and not steal from them. And he went on to
:30:56. > :31:00.conclude that I hope we will also impose a duty on those at the head
:31:01. > :31:06.of institutions involved to ensure they take positive steps to stop
:31:07. > :31:10.those working for them encotraging such activities. I doubt if anybody
:31:11. > :31:14.would disagree in this debate today about the words of the Right
:31:15. > :31:20.Honourable member for Rushcliffe. But those words spoken back in May,
:31:21. > :31:26.spoken back in May, I don't think spoken back in May, I don't think
:31:27. > :31:32.are fulfilled by the realitx of what we face. I think in terms of banking
:31:33. > :31:33.there are two things I would suggest to the minister that maybe looked
:31:34. > :31:42.out. The first, and no The Right out. The first, and no The Right
:31:43. > :31:47.Honourable lady from Barking is no longer in a place that she raised
:31:48. > :31:51.the example of the Bank of Scotland and what happened with somebody who
:31:52. > :31:55.is willing to speak up and was then pilloried by senior managemdnt
:31:56. > :32:00.the Minister that one thing that the Minister that one thing that
:32:01. > :32:05.needs doing is a strengthenhng of whistle-blowing within the banking
:32:06. > :32:10.and financial sector. If we could find a mechanism to encourage people
:32:11. > :32:14.to speak up about criminality are bad practice, that in itself would
:32:15. > :32:22.be a useful measure. The second thing I would suggest the Mhnister
:32:23. > :32:27.is I have many people commenting to me that the crisis in 2008 hn the
:32:28. > :32:35.banking sector was predomin`ntly not because of details of regul`tion but
:32:36. > :32:37.because of culture at top ldvel because of groupthink in thd boards
:32:38. > :32:40.of banks. It was because of the of banks. It was because of
:32:41. > :32:45.overconfidence of individual chief overconfidence of individual chief
:32:46. > :32:49.executives who were immune to considering anything other than a
:32:50. > :32:55.dash for cash. I would think would be useful if we could build in some
:32:56. > :33:01.requirement for proper culttral analysis built in to banking sector.
:33:02. > :33:03.The second area that I want to comment on, which has already been
:33:04. > :33:08.hinted at by my two colleagtes but hinted at by my two colleagtes but
:33:09. > :33:13.no one else is talked about this debate thus far is the topic of
:33:14. > :33:16.Scottish Limited partnerships. This might be a new topic for sole of the
:33:17. > :33:22.members in this chamber so `llow me to give just a few examples.
:33:23. > :33:27.Scottish limited partnerships and not a new phenomenon and thdy are
:33:28. > :33:33.not do bold phenomenon, thex are a matter for this House. They were
:33:34. > :33:46.created in the budget in 1907 by ask with. Even I don't remember it.
:33:47. > :33:54.-- Herbert Asquith. Although it was great 1907 since 2008 it has
:33:55. > :34:01.used more extensively for common used more extensively for common
:34:02. > :34:07.behaviour and the use of it has risen 40% year-on-year. These seem
:34:08. > :34:13.to have been at the heart of some of the major corruption scandals in the
:34:14. > :34:18.world, for example Scottish limited partnerships have been named in
:34:19. > :34:22.major corruption scandals involving the former Soviet Union and
:34:23. > :34:27.particularly Ukraine were there still currently being openlx
:34:28. > :34:35.marketed as off-the-peg zero tax offshore companies. Elsewhere some
:34:36. > :34:43.Scottish limited partnership at the moment is at the heart of a $1
:34:44. > :34:48.billion digital book case in the States. The international monetary
:34:49. > :34:55.fund itself has warned that the risk posed by S LPs to the fight against
:34:56. > :34:59.global money-laundering and organised crime is something that
:35:00. > :35:02.needs to be given attention to. Other Scottish limited partnerships
:35:03. > :35:10.and involved in pornographic, paedophilia website and the span of
:35:11. > :35:11.financial vehicles seems to know financial vehicles seems to know
:35:12. > :35:17.absolutely no bones. Closer to home, absolutely no bones. Closer to home,
:35:18. > :35:22.the Herald newspaper which hs done extraordinary work in this `rea
:35:23. > :35:29.revealed Bailey six days ago that the tax haven owned by Lord Ashcroft
:35:30. > :35:40.is being used without his pdrmission as a base to set up dozens of firms
:35:41. > :35:46.utilising SLP loopholes linked to a known fraudster. Two those companies
:35:47. > :35:52.have forced to -- have been falsely using the address of Lord Ashcroft
:35:53. > :35:58.'s bank for only six years. These secretive businesses, and I can name
:35:59. > :36:06.them, Sherbrooke assets and football solutions -- Whittemore. Have formed
:36:07. > :36:12.other Scottish entities, most of them registered to a convicted
:36:13. > :36:20.fraudster who lives in Fife in Scotland. This bill should be
:36:21. > :36:26.ensuring that every SLP and similar financial vehicles elsewherd in the
:36:27. > :36:34.UK is exposed to rigorous dhligence at the very least. In the rdcent
:36:35. > :36:42.Finance Bill I attempted to move a very simple new clause callhng on
:36:43. > :36:49.the government to investigate SLP is. The government chose to put it
:36:50. > :36:54.down. So subsequently when xet more criminal activities came to light I
:36:55. > :37:02.wrote to the Chancellor and I have a copy of my letter here. I wrote to
:37:03. > :37:05.him on the 26th of September seeking a meeting about this major
:37:06. > :37:11.international criminal activity As of last week when I was chasing up
:37:12. > :37:17.yet again for a response, the response I have had after a month
:37:18. > :37:21.showing their lack of concern about international criminal activity is
:37:22. > :37:29.we are still considering how to respond to your request for the
:37:30. > :37:34.meeting. To me, Mr Deputy Speaker, that is quite inappropriate response
:37:35. > :37:35.to a member of the service seeking a meeting about a major criminal
:37:36. > :37:43.activity to have to wait for a activity to have to wait for a
:37:44. > :37:46.month. I give way to the Minister. Can I reassure them that after a
:37:47. > :37:51.meeting yesterday I have listen to what he said and I will be leeting
:37:52. > :37:54.with my fellow ministerial colleagues to discuss the problem
:37:55. > :38:01.that he raised with me to sde what we can do about it. I'm particularly
:38:02. > :38:05.grateful to the Minister for that intervention and that clarity.
:38:06. > :38:09.Indeed what the Minister is done by coming to the dispatch box `t the
:38:10. > :38:14.moment is confirming what is about to say in my closing line in
:38:15. > :38:18.relation to this and that is given the way in which the current
:38:19. > :38:27.Minister has seen to discuss what those members of the opposition
:38:28. > :38:29.benches interested in this `nd his understandable and quite a public
:38:30. > :38:33.until about matters raised H was going to suggest that perhaps the
:38:34. > :38:41.Prime Minister could additionally appoint a minister for security as
:38:42. > :38:45.the formal tutor for all ministers of the Treasury. Because I `m sure
:38:46. > :38:49.they would have a great deal to learn about the appropriate way he
:38:50. > :38:58.deals with matters and I colmend that new appointment to the House.
:38:59. > :39:03.So Mr Deputy Speaker I think these are major matters of concern and it
:39:04. > :39:08.is said in jest that that is an element of surely some of the
:39:09. > :39:13.a blind eye to this for months need a blind eye to this for months need
:39:14. > :39:21.great importance and deservd to be great importance and deservd to be
:39:22. > :39:24.which I was going to brieflx mention which I was going to brieflx mention
:39:25. > :39:30.and it will be very brief, because many members commented on it
:39:31. > :39:34.already, is what has been h`ppening after the Panama papers in terms of
:39:35. > :39:41.Crown dependencies and the like I Crown dependencies and the like I
:39:42. > :39:45.think it is quite clear that the world expressed in the debate here
:39:46. > :39:52.is that what this bill does this not yet go far enough, particul`rly in
:39:53. > :39:55.terms of the much-needed transparency and openness towards
:39:56. > :40:01.beneficial ownership and if the Minister would be willing to think
:40:02. > :40:07.about how we might in a collegiate way around the size begin to address
:40:08. > :40:09.this and some of the other hssues that have been addressed, I think he
:40:10. > :40:16.will win himself many friends indeed. It is a pleasure to follow
:40:17. > :40:21.the honourable gentleman for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath. @nd to
:40:22. > :40:27.listen very carefully to thd important buoyancy is made `nd I'm
:40:28. > :40:30.glad he has had his meeting with the Minister and promises have been made
:40:31. > :40:34.to him that I'm sure he will ensure will be fulfilled. It is a pleasure
:40:35. > :40:37.to speak of is a pleasure to speak in this debate because one of the
:40:38. > :40:43.most important reports the select committee produced this year was our
:40:44. > :40:46.report into proceeds of crile and I am sorry to have missed the speech
:40:47. > :40:51.of the honourable lady who was a member of that committee and I'm
:40:52. > :40:55.sure spoke brilliantly about the conclusions of that report. I'm
:40:56. > :41:01.grateful to the Shadow Home Secretary for mentioning th`t report
:41:02. > :41:02.and for the points you made concerning the practicalitids and
:41:03. > :41:11.the issues that were revealdd. I'm sure you've read the report and
:41:12. > :41:16.I'm sure he's taken on board some of the points we have made. I think it
:41:17. > :41:20.is important when you legislate that you first of all seemed ready
:41:21. > :41:25.problems are, through the g`ps exist, you listen to all those with
:41:26. > :41:29.experience and when we condtcted the enquiry, we didn't just go to the
:41:30. > :41:35.usual suspects, we had many members of the Private sector giving
:41:36. > :41:44.evidence. You try then to come that will provide the Minister ndwly
:41:45. > :41:49.appointed to his position in the Home Office is going to havd a
:41:50. > :41:52.pretty easy ride in respect of the proceedings today because I
:41:53. > :41:56.understand there is going to be no vote because there is gener`l
:41:57. > :42:00.support throughout the housd for the measures that the Government is
:42:01. > :42:08.proposing because they are the right measures, sound measures, ddsigned
:42:09. > :42:18.to deal with the issues. I think on those two issues, he will always
:42:19. > :42:22.find a though he doesn't as carte blanche to get that entire
:42:23. > :42:26.legislation through. When it comes to committee, I hope members will
:42:27. > :42:34.take the amendment is based on the important point is. The member for
:42:35. > :42:38.Dumfries and Galloway and Aberdeen have all put forward import`nt
:42:39. > :42:44.measures that I hope they whll put forward as far as amendments in
:42:45. > :42:49.advance of his speech, I do want to congratulate my honourable friend
:42:50. > :42:54.Ealing Acton who will be making her speech for the front bench on the
:42:55. > :43:03.subject. More importantly, she will not be dividing the house which we
:43:04. > :43:06.are all today's bill, Mr Deputy Speaker, identifies three priorities
:43:07. > :43:11.which I will compare in terls of the findings of the report publhshed
:43:12. > :43:17.earlier this year. Robert Barrington, the director of
:43:18. > :43:25.transparency International, has said that may be laundered through the UK
:43:26. > :43:29.every year. This is equivaldnt to. A lot of it obviously goes to London
:43:30. > :43:34.but as we are reminded by otr colleagues from north of thd border,
:43:35. > :43:48.there are other greater fin`ncial centres such as Edinburgh Northern
:43:49. > :43:58.Ireland pointed out to me dtring the difficulties that as a placd, and
:43:59. > :44:03.entry into the EU, where money is the subject of laundering. @ll these
:44:04. > :44:09.great financial centres are being used in this way and that is that
:44:10. > :44:13.action is taken and action hs taken immediately. The committee was
:44:14. > :44:17.shocked to find that poor supervision and enforcement in the
:44:18. > :44:21.London property investment larket are making a safe haven for
:44:22. > :44:27.laundering and the proceeds of crime. A point made by the Shadow
:44:28. > :44:32.Home Secretary. As we find out from the regulators themselves, ht is far
:44:33. > :44:38.too easy for this to happen any financial centre like, Edinburgh of
:44:39. > :44:43.course, respected but we believe London to be the greatest fhnancial
:44:44. > :44:47.centre anywhere in the world. That is why what is essential is that we
:44:48. > :44:53.look at the market here, look at the way in which regulation operates in
:44:54. > :45:05.a constructive and positive way The honourable member for Newark is not
:45:06. > :45:15.in his place but he raised the we find the private sector the as a box
:45:16. > :45:21.ticking exercise, sending in their information, because it was their
:45:22. > :45:25.duty to do so and I was heartened by what the wish of the Governlent to
:45:26. > :45:38.cut through the red tape so that the information is sent on as qtickly of
:45:39. > :45:42.the where deemed to be susphcious in 2015. That is because the estate
:45:43. > :45:47.agents and the regulators bracing themselves that it was not possible
:45:48. > :45:52.to be able to deal with all the complaints that were going through
:45:53. > :45:57.because there were we have lade this point over a number of years.
:45:58. > :46:02.Committees of this House, mdmbers of Parliament in debates on thd
:46:03. > :46:11.subject. The assets and fin`nces available to our law enforcdment to
:46:12. > :46:18.the level of criminality th`t is in existence. If you look at the areas,
:46:19. > :46:25.organisations dealing with this issue. The National crime agency has
:46:26. > :46:31.a budget of 450 million, thd Financial Conduct Authority has a
:46:32. > :46:39.budget and the Serious Fraud Office has a budget of 45 million.
:46:40. > :46:47.However,, the number, the alount has been very poor. Only 155 million was
:46:48. > :46:53.recovered in 2014 to 2015. Hn defence of these three agencies
:46:54. > :46:57.whose assets total ?1 billion per year, they say it's not just about
:46:58. > :47:10.the recovery of assets. There are other areas, they are part of other
:47:11. > :47:14.those operations mean that they assessed as to the contribution that
:47:15. > :47:18.is made by these agencies. Hf you compare like-for-like, you will see
:47:19. > :47:25.there is quite a difference between what the budgets are and wh`t is
:47:26. > :47:32.recovered. I to this lady who has done a tremendous job as he`d of the
:47:33. > :47:36.one of the legacies of the previous Home Secretary now Prime Minister
:47:37. > :47:42.was the creation of the Nathonal crime agency. I am, Mr Deputy
:47:43. > :47:46.Speaker, as saying we have had something of a revolution in
:47:47. > :47:50.policing in the six years that the Prime Minister was Home Secretary.
:47:51. > :47:54.The whole of the Home Officd was shaken up, new organisations and
:47:55. > :48:00.institutions were put into existence. Obviously, she stayed
:48:01. > :48:06.longer than since the last century, you can't expect Home Secretary is
:48:07. > :48:11.like chairs of home affairs select committee is, there is alwaxs an end
:48:12. > :48:18.to the fun of doing these jobs. However, the fact is that h`ve not
:48:19. > :48:23.truly settle down. One of those is the ability to give organis`tions
:48:24. > :48:30.the resources they need in order to finish she is and so is her
:48:31. > :48:33.organisation, but I am extrdmely worried about the computer system
:48:34. > :48:40.that currently exists to do the very things that the minister wants to
:48:41. > :48:44.do. I assumed that will be winding up this debate so when he does, he
:48:45. > :48:52.will have the answer to the question that I posed to and we have posed
:48:53. > :48:57.over a number of months and years as to when is the system going to be
:48:58. > :49:03.renewed? It is all very well saying we want more information coling If
:49:04. > :49:09.we look at the figures, Mr Deputy Speaker, we know it just dodsn't add
:49:10. > :49:18.up. This is an old, creaking system, which is designed to manage only
:49:19. > :49:29.20,000 the last available fhgures, there were activity reports. How it
:49:30. > :49:36.is a system designed to deal with 20,000 supposed to deal with 38 ,000
:49:37. > :49:39.882. The ministers seem to be saying that people are ticking boxds and
:49:40. > :49:42.sending in information and they don't need to send on this
:49:43. > :49:57.information but I don't think we should expect the private sdctor
:49:58. > :50:01.officers of in a similar wax as to as have people who work for
:50:02. > :50:06.airlines, they have become immigration officers and thdy check
:50:07. > :50:11.tickets because despite what immigration ministers have said over
:50:12. > :50:19.the years, we don't have 100% immigration checks on exit. We have
:50:20. > :50:24.the airlines checking it but no a from the party our airports. That is
:50:25. > :50:28.a different story. My issue is become up at the private sector to
:50:29. > :50:35.act as enforcement officers, they are not deemed to do so. Th`t is why
:50:36. > :50:40.we need a new when we asked the Home Secretary about this when she was
:50:41. > :50:44.Home Secretary. She had no `nswer as to who was going to pay the bills.
:50:45. > :50:50.Is it going to come out of the budget of the National crimd agency.
:50:51. > :50:59.Is it going to come out of the Home Office budget? Who is going to pay
:51:00. > :51:11.for this? Because I think that the law with this is properly rdsourced.
:51:12. > :51:15.Are we going, the National crime agency, the, the equipment hn order
:51:16. > :51:22.to deal with these issues productively? When he comes to
:51:23. > :51:30.reply, I hope he will tell ts when the new be put into place bdcause
:51:31. > :51:35.that is really suspicious activity reports. Another aspect, Mr Deputy
:51:36. > :51:49.Speaker, it is the powers that have been given in the threshold, in my
:51:50. > :51:52.view, is too low. This is rdally a Treasury issue because I've had a
:51:53. > :51:57.number of constituents, and your other members of this House have had
:51:58. > :52:00.other constituents who have come to them very concerned that thdse been
:52:01. > :52:04.told their bank account is being closed by their bank. But the are
:52:05. > :52:09.never given an explanation `s to why this is the case. Unfortunately
:52:10. > :52:13.this has happened to too many members of the south Asian Dyers
:52:14. > :52:29.Borough community. Indeed, the applicant amenity, the Somali were I
:52:30. > :52:33.met someone from another colmunity who told me he was told his bank
:52:34. > :52:39.account had to be shut down in 8 days and he was not given an
:52:40. > :52:43.explanation because banks wd oppositely don't want to tell
:52:44. > :52:47.people, we are closing your bank account because you are a tdrrorist
:52:48. > :52:50.if there ongoing enquiries but certain explanation needs to be
:52:51. > :53:05.given. Funny look at the powers we are given, we need to make to the
:53:06. > :53:14.agencies we are giving I did mention I thank the right honourabld this
:53:15. > :53:18.issue about the a lawyer, wd would do the ID check and then put it into
:53:19. > :53:28.the bottom drawing ever to be seen again. If you are concerned, you
:53:29. > :53:32.would do a ticking off and dump it -- box ticking exercise. Thd was no
:53:33. > :53:38.positive process of process misinformation. We need a bdtter way
:53:39. > :53:43.to process. When he was a l`wyer, once a lawyer, always a lawxer in
:53:44. > :53:50.his case, I agree with him. He's absolutely right. There needs to to
:53:51. > :53:56.those involved in these acthvities. There needs to in each of these
:53:57. > :54:03.agencies but I don't know what kind of law he didn't. We wouldn't expect
:54:04. > :54:09.every single lawyer to be trained as to like this. We would expect a
:54:10. > :54:20.compliance officer to be able we wouldn't have the time to btt that
:54:21. > :54:25.will not cut down 381,000 to 20 000, if we have a third of a million
:54:26. > :54:29.suspicious activity reports, even the best trained lawyer and I would
:54:30. > :54:34.put him amongst probably thd best one can find, would not be `ble to
:54:35. > :54:44.bring down that figure. As well as giving the private sector more
:54:45. > :54:49.responsibility to check, it's that the equipment is fit for purpose.
:54:50. > :54:53.Let me make this final point and commend the suggestion made to the
:54:54. > :54:57.enquiry by the outgoing commissioner. I would like to pay
:54:58. > :55:07.tribute to Sir Bernard the work he has done is I have to lady will
:55:08. > :55:20.remember this when she was ` member of the by to from us. We tr`in them
:55:21. > :55:27.well, we used to train them well in Sir Bernard came up with is very
:55:28. > :55:30.important suggestion with those involved I raise this point with the
:55:31. > :55:34.Shadow Home Secretary and I am grateful to her for her reply. I
:55:35. > :55:37.hope the policing minister `lso consider it because when it comes
:55:38. > :55:47.from someone as distinguish as the commissioner, it is worth looking
:55:48. > :55:54.those who serve their sentence then, it is have not paid their
:55:55. > :56:01.compensation, I think, are H agree with the right honourable and learn
:56:02. > :56:06.at member,, we probably shotldn t keep them in prison indefinhtely but
:56:07. > :56:10.there needs to be some sanction for them to pay up. One of the hssues
:56:11. > :56:14.that arose was the fact that compensation orders were given for
:56:15. > :56:22.assets that were not in existence, they sound like fabulous figures in
:56:23. > :56:28.court when they say involved in this mass activity has got millions but
:56:29. > :56:35.actually they don't have those kinds of assets. We need to be re`listic
:56:36. > :56:45.about what we are going to the compensation orders. I think there
:56:46. > :56:49.needs to be a penalty, that something these people to h`ve to
:56:50. > :56:55.pay up before they come out of jail, otherwise they will simply `s an
:56:56. > :57:15.opportunity, come The, trying to be finally, H didn't
:57:16. > :57:24.realise we were short of tile. This is not a shortage of time. @fter all
:57:25. > :57:27.these years, how can you believe a member when they see finallx and
:57:28. > :57:34.assuming they are about to finish their speech? This is very finally,
:57:35. > :57:38.ignored nor of you, Mr Deputy Speaker. When the policing linister
:57:39. > :57:41.comes the reply I want to address the issue of the police funding
:57:42. > :57:47.formula because we had been waiting for a long time for the new police
:57:48. > :57:52.funding formula to be deciddd upon. Every single member of the size has
:57:53. > :57:57.a constabulary including yot Mr Deputy Speaker, including
:57:58. > :58:03.Lancashire, Lancashire were the most vocal last year when the Chhef
:58:04. > :58:06.Constable of Lancashire said he was running out of money and thd
:58:07. > :58:12.reserves were going to run out. All the constabularies have been waiting
:58:13. > :58:19.for the policing minister to announce the arrival of the police
:58:20. > :58:23.funding formula. His predecdssor for the House that the reason hd
:58:24. > :58:28.couldn't give us the police funding formula is because Sarah Thornton,
:58:29. > :58:35.the head of the Association of Chief Police Officers was also dohng her
:58:36. > :58:41.analysis and therefore we could not have police funding formula until
:58:42. > :58:45.she had completed their work. But I understand this is not the case and
:58:46. > :58:51.that is no reason why we cannot have the police funding formula. While do
:58:52. > :58:55.we need this to confront issues raised in this bill is becatse it is
:58:56. > :58:58.not all about the City of London and this kind of activity hands all over
:58:59. > :59:03.the country and if we expect local police officers and Leicestdrshire
:59:04. > :59:09.and Lancashire and Kent and Sussex and elsewhere to be able to deal
:59:10. > :59:16.with this issue and plan for it we need a formula so I hope th`t he
:59:17. > :59:19.will give us the coordinates the deal gives the new date when the
:59:20. > :59:26.police funding formula will be announced. I must say that hs the
:59:27. > :59:35.first time I am speaking from this dispatch box and I am pleasdd to be
:59:36. > :59:40.responding for the opposition on the criminal finances bill which touches
:59:41. > :59:44.on issues that have been in the public eye with the Panama papers
:59:45. > :59:51.scandal and the anti-corruption Summit that was held here in May
:59:52. > :59:58.under the previous by Minister. How long it all seems the -- Prhme
:59:59. > :00:01.Minister. The debate has strayed into finance and terrorism `nd
:00:02. > :00:09.international aid as well as home affairs and we fight contributions
:00:10. > :00:15.from Barking. Market Harborough and Kingston and Dumfries Galloway
:00:16. > :00:19.amongst others. This bill sdeks to tackle money-laundering and
:00:20. > :00:24.corruption to recover the proceeds of crime and to counteract terrorist
:00:25. > :00:28.financing -- all measures that we are on the side support. Was this
:00:29. > :00:33.which I would say that has been in which I would say that has been in
:00:34. > :00:39.short supply many fronts, wd temper our reasons to be cheerful with
:00:40. > :00:44.identifying some omissions `nd notes of caution that we would like to
:00:45. > :00:47.send at this stage so firstly the green ticks. We welcome the
:00:48. > :00:51.eye-catching and explained wealth eye-catching and explained wealth
:00:52. > :00:55.orders which would force individual that is way above the means to
:00:56. > :00:59.account for these possessions and these themselves can count `gility
:01:00. > :01:03.that new seizure and for th`t powers that new seizure and for th`t powers
:01:04. > :01:07.these can be frozen and possession taken. As a London MP I am `ll too
:01:08. > :01:13.aware of genuine Londoners who want to get a foot on the property ladder
:01:14. > :01:18.is that these ill gotten gahns I'm messing things up for them hn an
:01:19. > :01:22.overheated property market. We also commend that these investig`tory
:01:23. > :01:27.Powers extended to politically exposed persons. A thumbs up as well
:01:28. > :01:33.to the new failure to prevent our facilitation of tax evasion applied
:01:34. > :01:37.to corporations and reconciliation bodies and we also applaud hmproved
:01:38. > :01:40.data sharing between privatd and public sectors and the government
:01:41. > :01:43.extension of disclosure orddrs to extension of disclosure orddrs to
:01:44. > :01:46.money-laundering investigathons bringing them into line with
:01:47. > :01:51.corruption and fraud investhgations, also to be commended and thd
:01:52. > :01:58.strength and suspicious acthvity reports before the period of
:01:59. > :02:02.investigation was 31 days and note adds up to 186 extra days. We live
:02:03. > :02:08.in an age where terrorism is probably the biggest threat about
:02:09. > :02:14.times so we welcome the extdnsion of powers in this Bill to areas of
:02:15. > :02:19.terrorist property and finances So what is not to like? Well, H think
:02:20. > :02:22.once we acknowledge the steps here once we acknowledge the steps here
:02:23. > :02:27.in tightening the net and corrupt practice, and we're not seeking to
:02:28. > :02:32.defy the House this evening, that is more that could be done to
:02:33. > :02:37.counteract the accusations of the endless status of the UK as a magnet
:02:38. > :02:40.for dirty money. That should be no safe haven, particularly in our own
:02:41. > :02:46.international corruption often turn international corruption often turn
:02:47. > :02:50.up. Taken with its overseas taken trees and Crown dependencies. -
:02:51. > :02:56.territories, the UK as a whole package constitutes the most serious
:02:57. > :02:59.tax jurisdiction in the world. Good work has been done by the Ptblic
:03:00. > :03:05.Accounts Committee on home `ffairs select committee on my right
:03:06. > :03:09.honourable friend for Barking and Leicester East in their reports But
:03:10. > :03:16.not all of their suggestions have been taken up so we suggest that
:03:17. > :03:22.there must be action from m`ny right honourable members from both sides
:03:23. > :03:24.who are flagged up overseas dependence and Crown dependdncies.
:03:25. > :03:27.The British virgin islands `nd The British virgin islands `nd
:03:28. > :03:35.Cayman Islands are some of the worst offenders. And we administer them.
:03:36. > :03:39.This is the most gaping hold of all the trick has been missed hdre.
:03:40. > :03:42.Transparency on these or pax corporate structures of the key part
:03:43. > :03:47.of the solution of this bill does not go there. 75% of the corruption
:03:48. > :03:52.cases investigated by the Metropolitan Police proceeds is a
:03:53. > :03:53.crushing unit involve companies in secrecy jurisdictions and 70%
:03:54. > :03:59.those companies involved ard those companies involved ard
:04:00. > :04:01.registered and UK overseas territories Crown dependenches. We
:04:02. > :04:07.need for transparency in thhs build is not go far enough. Also
:04:08. > :04:11.previously trumpeted in May 201 was failure to prevent economic crime
:04:12. > :04:14.and it is missing here. Without some degree of transparency and company
:04:15. > :04:19.ownership we're not even colpletely aware of the skill of the problem
:04:20. > :04:24.and the damage done. Kenya `nd Nigeria and Afghanistan
:04:25. > :04:30.fourth-seeded the point. -- have all conceded the point. People need
:04:31. > :04:32.resources to weaponry for resources to weaponry for
:04:33. > :04:40.crime-fighting could do with an update. The National crime `gency
:04:41. > :04:48.will have more work so that cost implications. As says is thd success
:04:49. > :04:49.of several bodies being man`ged and notwithstanding their one-off cash
:04:50. > :04:53.injection had the spending review injection had the spending review
:04:54. > :05:01.funding. My right honourabld friend funding. My right honourabld friend
:05:02. > :05:08.for Leicester East raised a very eloquent point that the seediest
:05:09. > :05:19.question marks over the IT system designed to support the reghme.
:05:20. > :05:26.Originally designed for 20,000 it is processing 381,882 of them. A new
:05:27. > :05:32.system was promised and I whll reiterate again when will wd expect
:05:33. > :05:39.this? Will my honourable frhend give way? Does it come off my tile? I can
:05:40. > :05:46.assure her I would never want to come off a time and she's speech and
:05:47. > :05:52.I congratulate on a maiden speech at the front bench. The delay hn Elmer
:05:53. > :05:57.and the new system the government was to Britain to moves on, all that
:05:58. > :06:01.means is there will be more criminal activities of the quicker this done
:06:02. > :06:09.the better. I thank my right honourable friend. She is qtite safe
:06:10. > :06:14.in giving way during a wind,up speech. She has plenty of thme,
:06:15. > :06:20.indeed she has until ten minutes to seven, but I think she will know the
:06:21. > :06:28.House would prefer that she does not take quite a long and she does need
:06:29. > :06:35.to worry. I'm grateful to M`dam Deputy Speaker and my vice friend
:06:36. > :06:40.for his intervention. I will finish well before Tim to seven. Hd makes a
:06:41. > :06:49.very good point that we cannot fight modern sabre was with cataptlts and
:06:50. > :06:52.technology changes are made to upgrade the system. We were told it
:06:53. > :07:00.was happening and we want to know where. New powers for the Sdrious
:07:01. > :07:05.Fraud Office are all well and good that we need officers with the right
:07:06. > :07:10.training. It does seem that the public purse is being used to train
:07:11. > :07:12.officers area of financial crime yet officers area of financial crime
:07:13. > :07:17.we are simultaneously powerless to we are simultaneously powerless to
:07:18. > :07:20.prevent them falling prey to privates sector projects and
:07:21. > :07:25.something should be done thdre. There was to be a working p`rty on
:07:26. > :07:29.the recruitment and retention of investigators so I would like to
:07:30. > :07:36.know what became of that. Are some of these deficiencies to be plant at
:07:37. > :07:44.a later stage? At the moment 27 separate bodies are responshble for
:07:45. > :07:51.asset recovery, the people who investigate the SARs. They `re
:07:52. > :08:03.sometimes funded by the people that they regulate. I am also kedn to
:08:04. > :08:13.know what process is being lade on the arm to crush a strategy dualling
:08:14. > :08:17.of the year? --Tsars. I unddrstand that is a joint council and then of
:08:18. > :08:19.next week. If the minister doesn't know could he have a word whth his
:08:20. > :08:24.friends the Foreign Office to find out if it is not on the agenda and
:08:25. > :08:39.call out by the suggested to be added urgently? And finally, what is
:08:40. > :08:43.the government actually doing at the moment to install transparency in
:08:44. > :08:46.its overseas territory and Crown dependencies? My right arm or friend
:08:47. > :08:50.for Barking and suggested it could at least send a timeline whhch would
:08:51. > :08:55.give them time to adjust. Wd'll give them every support in the mdantime
:08:56. > :08:59.to transition their business? They have propped up this business model
:09:00. > :09:06.for a long time. So the need to move away from facilitating corrtption.
:09:07. > :09:08.Without this action are tax havens I'm afraid the small bits of good
:09:09. > :09:12.news in this bill will be overshadowed by the governmdnts
:09:13. > :09:17.failure to act issues are ilportant area. The government should be able
:09:18. > :09:24.to persuade its own territories of least to follow this lead and
:09:25. > :09:28.several members from both House of paid tribute to the former premise
:09:29. > :09:32.that this here. We asked me to get away from the idea that not paying
:09:33. > :09:39.tax by avoidance and evasion of victimless crimes. Countries the
:09:40. > :09:44.developing world lose three times as much to begin made through tax
:09:45. > :09:48.havens through illicit funds and we laundering and adds up to a Chilean
:09:49. > :09:53.pounds per year and at the same time we are pumping aid into those
:09:54. > :10:00.places. It makes no sense at all. At a time when we should justify every
:10:01. > :10:05.pound spent given our own straitened circumstances, each MRC esthmates at
:10:06. > :10:12.tax gap of ?36 billion incltding 5.2 billion or two Arsenal from tax
:10:13. > :10:16.evasion. I think my right more friend for Barking courted the same
:10:17. > :10:29.figures and the religious scriptures say these are conservative
:10:30. > :10:32.estimates. -- are from tax dvasions. -- there are other interestdd groups
:10:33. > :10:37.who say these are conservathve estimates. You could get 54,054
:10:38. > :10:43.nurses for the same amount. I think my writer more friend the mdmber for
:10:44. > :10:48.Leicester East said Liverpool record of recovery because they don't pay
:10:49. > :10:55.for themselves, the costs ndeded to recover these. Madam Deputy Speaker,
:10:56. > :11:00.the practices this bill seeks to tackle exposes the dark sidd of
:11:01. > :11:04.globalisation and its links to terrorism and the way that global
:11:05. > :11:07.finance and cross-border crhme and terrorism, all these things can be
:11:08. > :11:15.done nowadays at the click of a mouse.
:11:16. > :11:31.and have we don't want that to happen. We don't want to all the
:11:32. > :11:36.signs they like and people can but more things need to be matched with
:11:37. > :11:40.action. This is then a case of to do better on the Government's report
:11:41. > :11:44.card. I would urge the Government to work together with us and wd will be
:11:45. > :11:51.pressing on some of the isstes outlined today and more bec`use
:11:52. > :11:56.surely, when the opportunitx for a the Government don't want to go down
:11:57. > :12:05.as having we will not opposd this bill and we look forward to
:12:06. > :12:10.constructively looking at its passage thank you, Madam Deputy
:12:11. > :12:13.Speaker. I want to thank honourable and right Honourable members for
:12:14. > :12:19.this informed and valuable debate. There have been some very strong and
:12:20. > :12:26.important contributions and support from and cross-party the prhnciple
:12:27. > :12:34.there have been some discussions at the committee stage. I will come to
:12:35. > :12:38.this there can be no doubt `bout the seriousness of the threat of
:12:39. > :12:44.terrorism and organised crile by the scale of the challenge that we face
:12:45. > :12:49.in combating them. As of July last year, there were around 5800
:12:50. > :12:54.organised crime groups or the - operating in the UK. Organised crime
:12:55. > :12:58.is thought to cost the UK around ?9 billion and the social and dconomic
:12:59. > :13:06.cost of drug supply are esthmated to be some 10.7 these are not, as the
:13:07. > :13:13.right honourable lady outlined earlier today, faceless thex have an
:13:14. > :13:18.impact on people that we know and they have an impact on the people
:13:19. > :13:22.who live in our own constittencies. As we have heard, the UK is the
:13:23. > :13:26.fantastic place to do busindss, something that we as the Government
:13:27. > :13:34.want to maintain. We gave a very clear message out across thd country
:13:35. > :13:40.we are but if we are to maintain our, we must ensure, that this is
:13:41. > :13:44.one of the cleanest and safdst places to invest. We need to send a
:13:45. > :13:49.very clear message to those who would seek to corrupt legithmate
:13:50. > :13:52.trade. Madam Deputy Speaker, I am grateful to all audible and right
:13:53. > :14:04.Honourable members who have contributed to the debate today the
:14:05. > :14:10.member for Ealing Central Acton and indeed Honourable members from
:14:11. > :14:15.Dumfries Kirkcaldy. I was pleased that my honourable friend h`s to
:14:16. > :14:20.hear that he has been discussing the bill with both the opposition and
:14:21. > :14:26.Scottish National party members prior to today's debate and sharing
:14:27. > :14:33.some of the paperwork some two months ago I know as a convdrsation
:14:34. > :14:37.during the passage of this bill It's clear members across the house
:14:38. > :14:42.want to contribute and have their say in making sure we end up with
:14:43. > :14:46.the robust strong system to be proud of as I know that almost without
:14:47. > :14:50.exception those Honourable lembers who have spoken have understood the
:14:51. > :14:56.importance of these powers `nd have been vocally supportive of ht is of
:14:57. > :15:06.course right button issues like money-laundering and terrorhsm, this
:15:07. > :15:10.bill is presenting a united front. I welcome the fact that an error
:15:11. > :15:19.consultation on the bill, wd are a very diverse group of stakeholders,
:15:20. > :15:23.major banks, law, there has also been an overwhelmingly positive
:15:24. > :15:42.response to its provisions. I wanted to touch any few of the I w`sn't
:15:43. > :15:45.able to contribute to the while I accept there is a huge weight of
:15:46. > :15:49.unity about the provisions here the real action is to do with how
:15:50. > :15:56.enforceable they are and thd danger has been in the past and it is all
:15:57. > :16:02.and more important that. Thd danger is we will put onto the statutory
:16:03. > :16:11.break a lot, often some might regard as rather Draconian which whll end
:16:12. > :16:17.up not being properly enforced by the judiciary when that is due I
:16:18. > :16:21.would have that one caveat hn mind whilst he is absolutely right to see
:16:22. > :16:28.these are very important new powers in relation which wasn't an issue
:16:29. > :16:39.back in 2002 when the act c`me to be. My right honourable fridnd makes
:16:40. > :16:43.importance of the committee stage to make it's where I think he can have
:16:44. > :16:47.a huge amount of faith in the work of my honourable friend to open the
:16:48. > :16:52.debate today and its interpretation to work with colleagues to lake sure
:16:53. > :16:59.that the robust bill. It very clear that that is not going to continue,
:17:00. > :17:02.a country is open for busindss but we also believe in fairness and we
:17:03. > :17:07.want to ensure that fairness prevails. Members across thhs House
:17:08. > :17:14.of top direct a range of issues and a couple of particularly core issues
:17:15. > :17:23.have come up a number around comments made the previous lember of
:17:24. > :17:40.the home affairs select comlittee and others the will have
:17:41. > :17:44.unrestricted and incorporatdd in I have to say, I think the pohnt was
:17:45. > :17:49.made by the Right Honourabld Lady, the member for Barking, who outlined
:17:50. > :17:54.the excellent work and a strong message was given by David Cameron
:17:55. > :18:02.when he was something we ard determined to see continue that ..
:18:03. > :18:05.It is important that we are working very closely with our colle`gues
:18:06. > :18:11.around the world to ensure we have a very strong and robust systdm. We
:18:12. > :18:19.have surely lead on this. Those territories have agreed thex must
:18:20. > :18:28.commit so that the HMI can investigate later this year, HM RIC
:18:29. > :18:33.have new data on billions of -- held in the overseas Territories by I
:18:34. > :18:38.think this is a big step forward and I know we as the honourable friend
:18:39. > :18:44.are determined to ensure th`t we stamp out that kind of behaviour.
:18:45. > :18:48.What's also been mentioned today by honourable friends as well `s the
:18:49. > :19:01.Right Honourable gentleman, the member for issues around funding let
:19:02. > :19:08.me MCA itself has actually had an increase in and police budgdts
:19:09. > :19:12.themselves year, which means that we do actually see that increase coming
:19:13. > :19:25.through, particularly when xou look at the NACA itself which ard million
:19:26. > :19:31.pounds, what was 440. Each LRC has seen that increase in funding, up to
:19:32. > :19:35.3.6 billion with the 241 million imputed that the honourable lady was
:19:36. > :19:38.referring to. I can also be very clear about the fact we are
:19:39. > :19:42.determined to make sure the police and NCA is part of that, have the
:19:43. > :19:56.resources they need to be able to look all of this, the honourable
:19:57. > :20:04.gentleman, the... You'll have to excuse me for resisting for now I
:20:05. > :20:07.have few weeks to all Chief and crime commission is asking them to
:20:08. > :20:12.come and talk to me as we go through that process to deliver, as we said
:20:13. > :20:23.in our election manifesto, ` fairer funding formula for police `nd we
:20:24. > :20:32.will do that. I'm pleased to be that have literally registers of
:20:33. > :20:36.beneficial ownership that m`ny of the members have spoken abott here
:20:37. > :20:40.today. All of the overseas Territories have now agreed to a
:20:41. > :20:42.central registries which will be accessible to law enforcement
:20:43. > :20:46.authorities, we will continte to push for all countries to introduce
:20:47. > :20:54.public registries. This is good news and we will continue to work I'm
:20:55. > :20:58.delighted at that good news that the Minister has just given. Can he
:20:59. > :21:05.confirm whether the announcdment he has been given that those rdgisters
:21:06. > :21:10.will as I just said, my closing few words as he was standing up, we will
:21:11. > :21:20.continue to push for all cotntries to introduce and we will continue to
:21:21. > :21:29.work the other issue raised by his good self as well as the melber for
:21:30. > :21:48.Kirkcaldy and others is the issue. I will hope he to make the pohnt work
:21:49. > :21:53.on that to work Kingston, great contributions today, partictlarly
:21:54. > :21:59.Honourable member for Wilton who outlined the as the part it plays in
:22:00. > :22:03.making sure that back work `round funding of extremism as well. We
:22:04. > :22:08.have discussed the vital importance of this bill in protecting the UK's
:22:09. > :22:13.position and status as a global financial centre and ensure
:22:14. > :22:16.criminals cannot benefit from the proceeds I expect and hope that
:22:17. > :22:20.Honourable and right Honour`ble members will want to give in-depth
:22:21. > :22:24.scrutiny to this bill as thdy have outlined the sacrament as wd move
:22:25. > :22:30.onto a clause by clause exalination committee and I look forward to a
:22:31. > :22:34.lively debate I am proud th`t in comparison to most European
:22:35. > :22:39.countries, we are positioned high in the league table of having ` strong
:22:40. > :22:43.and independent judiciary as well as a determined law enforcement. If we
:22:44. > :22:48.are to maintain our record `nd our position, we need to always stay one
:22:49. > :22:52.step ahead of those that sedk to undermine us. Especially in such a
:22:53. > :22:57.fast-moving global environmdnt. That is why this legislation is so
:22:58. > :23:01.important, it is so reassurhng to see that principle cross-party party
:23:02. > :23:12.supported in this House as ` clear message. For all the proceeds of
:23:13. > :23:15.their crimes, tackle terrorhsm finance and bring more offenders to
:23:16. > :23:20.justice. I hope this House will agree this is what is in thd public
:23:21. > :23:23.interest and this legislation is passed by the earliest opportunity
:23:24. > :23:32.with clear, continued cross,party support and on that basis, H can --
:23:33. > :23:44.commends this bill to the shgn that the question is on the order paper.
:23:45. > :23:53.As many of that opinion CES? On the Isa have it. We now come to be the
:23:54. > :24:02.question is as on the order paper. As of many of that opinion, no? The
:24:03. > :24:07.yes have it. And the money resolution to be moved formdrly The
:24:08. > :24:14.question is as on the order paper. As many of yes? On the contrary no?
:24:15. > :24:34.The yes have it. The we now come electricity. As many h`ve it
:24:35. > :24:41.ayes? The ayes habit. We cole to motion number six on ministdr to
:24:42. > :24:46.move. The question is as on the order paper. As many of that yes?
:24:47. > :25:00.The ayes to thank you Madam Deptty
:25:01. > :25:05.Speaker. I am delighted for this opportunity to present this petition
:25:06. > :25:15.to the house is calling for fear transitional arrangements for 1 50s
:25:16. > :25:18.born women who are... Other people should not be standing up in this
:25:19. > :25:22.chamber while Mr Boswell is speaking. If members wish to leave,
:25:23. > :25:28.they should do so swiftly and quietly. Mr Philip Boswell. Thank
:25:29. > :25:37.you again, Madam Deputy Spe`ker 1950s born women who are affected by
:25:38. > :25:41.changes to the state pension change, that group the Government's
:25:42. > :25:49.ministers promised transitional arrangements to ease that btrden but
:25:50. > :25:53.those have not constituency and many others facing hardship. I thank all
:25:54. > :25:57.those who have signed the pdtition and those in similar terms presented
:25:58. > :26:06.by other vulnerable members. I thank the office for their work. The
:26:07. > :26:11.petition states, of the declares that as a result of the way in
:26:12. > :26:17.between 1995 pensions act and the 2011 pensions act were impldmented,
:26:18. > :26:21.women born in the 1950s on or after the 6th of April 1951 have tnfairly
:26:22. > :26:26.born the burden of the incrdase to the state pension age. Further, that
:26:27. > :26:31.hundreds of thousands of wolen have had significant changes imposed upon
:26:32. > :26:37.them with little or. Implemdntation took place faster than promhsed
:26:38. > :26:40.further that this gave no thme to make alternative pension pl`ns and
:26:41. > :26:53.further at that retirement plans have been shattered with thd House
:26:54. > :26:56.of Commons urges the Governlent to. Who have an unfairly born the burden
:26:57. > :27:22.of the increase to is a, implementation of the 199 and
:27:23. > :27:34.to those 11 pensioners. This monthly pension acts. The question hs that
:27:35. > :27:42.this House do know adjourn. -- now adjourn. I know this is a pdrsistent
:27:43. > :27:48.cause of mine and I sometimds feel I should apologise to the Minhster for
:27:49. > :27:52.bringing to this place to dhscuss this portfolio so I want to save it
:27:53. > :27:59.said how impressed I and many others in this have been pressed bx his
:28:00. > :28:06.commitment to this agenda. Ly comments are in no way addrdssed to
:28:07. > :28:15.him and his God to work so hard It is not easy. The political work is
:28:16. > :28:20.chaotic at present. -- political world. Prizes are hard to ddfine the
:28:21. > :28:24.truth is the challenge and closing the gap on what we say from that
:28:25. > :28:29.dispatch botched and how it feels to our men and women and said hncreases
:28:30. > :28:34.in severity along with the bid. -- dispatch box. There's the ongoing
:28:35. > :28:48.cost of the recent campaign as country is undertaken in Afghanistan
:28:49. > :28:49.and Iraq. People are now experiencing battle fatigue know
:28:50. > :28:53.that operations are bidding from that operations are bidding from
:28:54. > :28:57.public view and I regret to say from government as well. In Janu`ry last
:28:58. > :29:00.year I met the previous by Linister and presented a report to hhm that
:29:01. > :29:04.for the first time had almost universal support across thd
:29:05. > :29:14.veterans care sector. It ex`mined as the sustainable veterans care model.
:29:15. > :29:18.I also presented to the Secretary of State for Defence and others. The
:29:19. > :29:24.paper was not my solution btt for many involved in the arena, serving
:29:25. > :29:28.and retired. And those in the third sector. It was greeted with warm
:29:29. > :29:32.words about duty responsibility and the promise of a response btt after
:29:33. > :29:40.awhile, regrettably nothing really materialise all. I'm very grateful
:29:41. > :29:46.to him for giving way and m`y congratulate him accusing this
:29:47. > :29:52.debate and all that he does in this field. -- securing this deb`te. The
:29:53. > :29:57.point of single contact is one. Can I invite to read another paper, the
:29:58. > :30:00.Armed Forces weighty health and well-being team from Dorset. Can I
:30:01. > :30:05.invite to look at that and see how that fits in with his model as well?
:30:06. > :30:14.I would be delighted to look at that and I will take that forward from
:30:15. > :30:17.there. In the current polithcal landscape I fear that veter`ns care
:30:18. > :30:30.has received other good punt down the road after Brexit. I fedl the
:30:31. > :30:35.new Prime Minister is to tackle a job that can seem impossibld. I
:30:36. > :30:42.could not wish a more strength to take on these charges supporter to a
:30:43. > :30:46.fault. I believe you'd achidve nothing on your own politics and the
:30:47. > :30:50.strength to tackle the challenges ahead on this team on this side of
:30:51. > :30:56.the House but I must confess that I'm disappointed on first shght and
:30:57. > :30:59.the single issue. In July I challenge the premised on hdr
:31:00. > :31:01.leadership campaign in front of my entire party about a commitlent to
:31:02. > :31:05.this agenda and a willingness to look at the government department or
:31:06. > :31:11.something similar to finallx much words with deeds becomes thd 2.
:31:12. > :31:14.million veterans in country. How response which is not keen to
:31:15. > :31:19.departments beyond the department departments beyond the department
:31:20. > :31:21.for exiting the European Unhon which I can well understand but you can
:31:22. > :31:25.imagine my concerns as to whether imagine my concerns as to whether
:31:26. > :31:35.that Vince will item agenda over the summer. As I alluded to regtlarly I
:31:36. > :31:37.support the government that did not widen the stores too. I was further
:31:38. > :31:47.concerned that the veterans care agenda was being polluted. The
:31:48. > :31:49.Minister today spoke more stddenly. That is increasingly enormots
:31:50. > :31:52.challenge as the military reconfigures its relationshhp with
:31:53. > :31:57.the reserves this country hdading into 2020. This was a clear movement
:31:58. > :32:00.which we were pursuing which is not which we were pursuing which is not
:32:01. > :32:04.a notice by those who strivd in this field to deliver this country's duty
:32:05. > :32:09.to those who serve. That is where we are tonight with an ever increasing
:32:10. > :32:13.demand and the general and very understandable declining interest in
:32:14. > :32:18.this agenda now the vessel wounds of war and not flying back frol Iraq or
:32:19. > :32:21.Afghanistan every week and the government challenged by
:32:22. > :32:27.unprecedented political dem`nds I hear what he says in regards to the
:32:28. > :32:34.fading memory when one of mx constituents came to see me the
:32:35. > :32:38.legacy of the injuries which he sustained in Iraq with everx day. He
:32:39. > :32:44.talked about sustainability which my honourable friend stalking `bout as
:32:45. > :32:48.well. -- spoken about as well. He also spoke about the need for a
:32:49. > :32:52.simple transparent system for those who served with potentially
:32:53. > :32:58.life-threatening life impacting entities need to have a mord simple
:32:59. > :33:05.way in getting the help thex are entitled to. -- injuries. I entirely
:33:06. > :33:14.agree and I will come onto later than the speech about the four key
:33:15. > :33:26.tenets of which that is one. We all these people and we must deliver it.
:33:27. > :33:29.challenge the government to do its challenge the government to do its
:33:30. > :33:32.duty to those who do the bidding from the size and annoyed c`n be
:33:33. > :33:40.tedious watching a blessing to me keeping on again about this agenda
:33:41. > :33:43.and I do not do it because H've nothing else to do because that are
:33:44. > :33:48.particularly good career prospects this line of work because that is
:33:49. > :33:52.some of intangible crowd th`t I play too. I do it for the one silple
:33:53. > :33:58.thing that also many others the last decade and a half to conduct an
:33:59. > :34:02.popular was on the ballot this nation and that one word whhch I
:34:03. > :34:08.remember compelling that Maria referred to by patrol to do his duty
:34:09. > :34:11.and refusing a belief in it and seeking out explosive devicds for
:34:12. > :34:19.seven long once they are today. The kind of thing that makes our young
:34:20. > :34:24.loses composure in heat of battle as loses composure in heat of battle as
:34:25. > :34:33.he died in front of his men. It is my duty to these men to keep up this
:34:34. > :34:35.fight and a sacrifice I makd and do -- in doing this is so small
:34:36. > :34:45.compared to those of you must keep going. -- that I must keep going. I
:34:46. > :34:48.applaud the government efforts on this agenda but it is nowhere near
:34:49. > :34:52.enough. I have no doubt whatsoever that this minister and a st`rt-up
:34:53. > :34:56.night and day trying to delhver this agenda but you can only work with
:34:57. > :35:02.the resource and priorities he is given by the Secretary of State for
:35:03. > :35:06.Defence and by Minister. I thank him for giving way and attraction
:35:07. > :35:09.congratulate him for securing this incredibly important debate. I
:35:10. > :35:12.normally shares my concerns about normally shares my concerns about
:35:13. > :35:17.the mental health veterans of this country. Does he share very specific
:35:18. > :35:20.concern about the availabilhty of mental health services for our
:35:21. > :35:28.veterans which we know and several parts of the country are patchy I
:35:29. > :35:31.thank her for her interventhon. The truth is this mental health issue
:35:32. > :35:35.that we have moved so far away from getting involved in getting our
:35:36. > :35:38.hands dirty and sorting this out that we are now in danger of being
:35:39. > :35:42.in a place where the perception is that everybody who leads thd Armed
:35:43. > :35:45.Forces has some sort of post-traumatic stress disorder is
:35:46. > :35:50.wildly inaccurate and we nedd to provide services for those who need
:35:51. > :35:57.it and I completely agree whth my right honourable friend. Given his
:35:58. > :36:01.current operating envelope the Minister has achieves significant
:36:02. > :36:07.things. Let's take his work in the health care arena. For servhce
:36:08. > :36:11.personnel and veterans pay scheme announced in July assuming the
:36:12. > :36:15.palaces successful could fundamentally change the wax care
:36:16. > :36:18.for most seriously injured hs using the pressure on local CCG 's and
:36:19. > :36:22.retaining knowledge and expdrtise for those who have been injtred
:36:23. > :36:26.This is a first step and I would urge the Prime Minister to note the
:36:27. > :36:30.early successes of the schele and look to roll it out nationwhde.
:36:31. > :36:32.Again I would play for him `nd his department not to take my
:36:33. > :36:38.observations personally. He conducts observations personally. He conducts
:36:39. > :36:41.valuable work but it is my job to speak the truth and I would be
:36:42. > :36:45.filling my job if I did not do that. I think the truth is the evhdence
:36:46. > :36:49.and the evidence is not endless announcements about what we have put
:36:50. > :36:52.into the sector. These annotncements are cooler to be welcomed though I
:36:53. > :36:57.cannot help but feel they are rather plain to home crowd. The evhdence
:36:58. > :37:02.for this is how what we do `ctually effect on matters those who we are
:37:03. > :37:06.trying to help. I have a long time said that until we fundamentally
:37:07. > :37:09.change this conversation from what we are endlessly pouring into the
:37:10. > :37:14.sector to what it actually feels like to be a veteran in the United
:37:15. > :37:19.Kingdom in 2016 we will nevdr truly understand the scale of the work to
:37:20. > :37:22.be done. I would say to the Secretary of State for Defence the
:37:23. > :37:27.premise that the evidence is there if only we were to look. A study
:37:28. > :37:31.done just before summer recdss indicated that 85% of veter`ns feel
:37:32. > :37:41.that the UK Government does not support them well enough. 84%. The
:37:42. > :37:45.much heralded Armed Forces covenant, 84% did not believe it is bding
:37:46. > :37:51.implemented and even half of them serving and not heard of thd Armed
:37:52. > :37:59.Forces covenant. We need to think about how this is being implemented
:38:00. > :38:06.and it is a lot of the, a choice lottery where local authorities and
:38:07. > :38:09.others choose to implement ht and this question is whether government
:38:10. > :38:15.is in reality for our service men and women. It has become catchphrase
:38:16. > :38:18.number ten that it is quickly increasingly becoming meaningless to
:38:19. > :38:25.the service community unless we stop this trend. I see this as someone
:38:26. > :38:28.who met privately with the previous premise that last week. He was a
:38:29. > :38:31.good man and someone who generally got the military in this cotntry and
:38:32. > :38:35.I could tell his genuine prhde in his achievements of this policy but
:38:36. > :38:39.the gap between the top and the reality on the ground is so vast. I
:38:40. > :38:44.reference one study for evidence of truth there are many. In thhs
:38:45. > :38:48.country will be blessed for some time by a public on the third sector
:38:49. > :38:52.which is done wonders for Armed Forces veterans of the year. The
:38:53. > :38:58.thousands who work in the sdctor for little reward, of them I want to
:38:59. > :39:03.mention one couple have left the sector in recent months leaving the
:39:04. > :39:08.indelible mark and the convdrsations around veteran skier in the kingdom
:39:09. > :39:16.are forever changed. Rick P`rry and his wife Emma setup Help For Heroes
:39:17. > :39:19.in 2007 as a result of the catastrophic dereliction of care for
:39:20. > :39:23.veterans but they know to ghve them the government in the early days of
:39:24. > :39:26.Afghanistan and Iraq. The third sector presents its challenges as
:39:27. > :39:29.much as any other sector in this country in so congested market
:39:30. > :39:32.competing for the same fundhng and trying their best to do what they
:39:33. > :39:39.veterans. You will hear good and bad veterans. You will hear good and bad
:39:40. > :39:43.of every organisation. But the truth for this is that Help For Hdroes is
:39:44. > :39:47.completely and fundamentallx changed her veteran skier Hamza 's country
:39:48. > :39:51.today. Like any success story Help For Heroes are that the tractors and
:39:52. > :39:55.I'm not naive to this but I will never countenance, I'm afrahd. I'm
:39:56. > :40:01.from the generation who had nowhere else to go in 2007 for a veteran
:40:02. > :40:04.skier. They proved faster than any other similar organisation hn
:40:05. > :40:08.history and that things are many neglect. They retained a focus on
:40:09. > :40:13.who it is all about, the guxs and the girls. You have now passed your
:40:14. > :40:18.torch to your successors. Btt your light will never go out. From a
:40:19. > :40:21.generation of soldiers who felt nothing really geared -- nobody
:40:22. > :40:25.want to thank you to the bottom of want to thank you to the bottom of
:40:26. > :40:28.our hearts for what you did and he committed your light of this pursuit
:40:29. > :40:34.and delivered extraordinary change of sugar to we would be without you.
:40:35. > :40:44.As much as shudder to think we would be without you. -- I shudder to
:40:45. > :40:46.think we will be without yot. Disagree with me that the
:40:47. > :40:48.responsibility is to support responsibility is to support
:40:49. > :40:50.veterans integrate back into civilian life and should sugar don't
:40:51. > :40:56.find themselves homeless is critical? I do and I would commend
:40:57. > :41:00.the work of some of the brilliant charities that we have gottdn this
:41:01. > :41:10.country and I shudder to thhnk we would be without them.
:41:11. > :41:24.the state it's not good enotgh, the Americans realise that he is making
:41:25. > :41:28.I am proud to represent the town of Colchester and I know too wdll the
:41:29. > :41:33.fantastic charities that work in the sector that has been withdr`wn from
:41:34. > :41:37.theatres does he agree this is the time that we should be investing
:41:38. > :41:41.that money in supporting our veterans? I thank him for hhs
:41:42. > :41:51.intervention. I would absolttely support what he is saying. We are
:41:52. > :41:54.reaching a point of the mindset and the money is declining as wdll and
:41:55. > :42:05.if we don't get this right now, it will be far too late I thank him. He
:42:06. > :42:16.is making a very passionate case as always a point about a charhty which
:42:17. > :42:19.and their these out providing emotional and practical help could
:42:20. > :42:26.provide very good models for the Government to incorporate in all the
:42:27. > :42:34.things that my honourable there are some brilliant there are cases out
:42:35. > :42:39.there we could learn from qtite quickly, not only in this country
:42:40. > :42:44.that internationally as well. The but there is a job the Government
:42:45. > :42:47.are doing bringing it the third sector remains a deeply challenging
:42:48. > :42:54.one and that is the reason for this debate tonight. There are almost two
:42:55. > :42:58.and a half thousand militarx charity funds in but this gives you a
:42:59. > :43:01.picture into the chaos. I would not be here having this debate hf either
:43:02. > :43:05.every single one of the charities was doing good. It is an awkward
:43:06. > :43:09.conversation that we do not have it we will be doing a disservice to
:43:10. > :43:14.those we are trying to help. Some charities struggle with fin`ncial
:43:15. > :43:25.management, some are crimin`l. Some practice evidence -based thdrapies
:43:26. > :43:30.and to nonetheless unproven the veterinary staff management which
:43:31. > :43:35.means we must sort this problem out as time goes on, the Iraq and
:43:36. > :43:39.Afghanistan generation Warrhors will fade from memory. We will bd on the
:43:40. > :43:42.same pages as the Falklands and the Gulf War, as the same chaptdr of the
:43:43. > :43:48.Americans in Vietnam and thd public will stop giving and income in some
:43:49. > :43:56.other major charities is down by a third this financial year. No
:43:57. > :44:00.organisation can this will eventually run out. The dutx to our
:44:01. > :44:09.veterans will only increase as the scars of our recent worries reveal
:44:10. > :44:13.themselves feel to combat stress are up 71%. Now is the time to have this
:44:14. > :44:17.dirty fight of sorting out the third sector. I can't help but fedl that
:44:18. > :44:25.most of the sector would th`nk us for it. The load criminal charges as
:44:26. > :44:29.much as I do, they feel when they struggle like everyone else, the
:44:30. > :44:32.coast the lack of a comment needs assessment so we have to st`rt each
:44:33. > :44:36.case from scratch causing more trauma to the individual ushng their
:44:37. > :44:39.services. If we don't have this fight and the Government ard the
:44:40. > :44:43.only ones who can do it, it looks like we don't care. We don't want to
:44:44. > :44:46.have this conversation becatse it is too difficult, too dirty for us to
:44:47. > :44:58.get involved. I'm afraid it comes back to what I was discussing at the
:44:59. > :45:05.beginning, it duty. The to dnsure veterans's care in this country to
:45:06. > :45:08.ensure it is accessible to `ll, particularly our too many h`ve no
:45:09. > :45:12.idea how to access some of the brilliant services provided by our
:45:13. > :45:15.third sector. To insure it hs be standard and a safety that hs
:45:16. > :45:20.applicable to those who havd served or indeed any other UK citizen. To
:45:21. > :45:26.ensure it is evidence -based, correctly staffed to insure cases
:45:27. > :45:29.are managed and individuals are guided through these are enormously
:45:30. > :45:33.complex treatment pathways, to ensure that the great British public
:45:34. > :45:38.who have carried this chargd for so long do not get ripped off by
:45:39. > :45:50.individuals raising money which the British public will never stop he is
:45:51. > :45:54.making a very powerful speech in which are set before the veterans
:45:55. > :46:01.leave the service, it is not good enough to allow them to just after
:46:02. > :46:11.they've left the forces. It seems to be happening is of the cases I've
:46:12. > :46:17.some education before peopld leave would be helpful. I underst`nd there
:46:18. > :46:23.is a more any third direction this pathway is sure to be welcole. Why
:46:24. > :46:26.do we have to do this? I wotld ask you Madam Deputy Speaker to beat
:46:27. > :46:30.yourselves in the shoes of the average user, a corporal two or
:46:31. > :46:36.three years out who gave his best years of his. Now any civilhan job
:46:37. > :46:40.he starts to find his past ` chance to deal with. We have seen them in
:46:41. > :46:45.our constituencies up and down this land, he doesn't want sympathy. He
:46:46. > :46:48.was proud to serve this nathon of errors, he just wants to know
:46:49. > :46:53.vertigo. He doesn't want to have to retell his story all the tile. His
:46:54. > :46:57.wife wants to know that the quality is doing is says, he will bd looked
:46:58. > :47:06.after, his treatment has a fair chance of working. She wants to know
:47:07. > :47:11.that someone crucially, she wants to know that he will get that help in a
:47:12. > :47:19.timely manner before his condition deteriorates and becomes so much
:47:20. > :47:24.harder and so I congratulatd you on securing such an important debate.
:47:25. > :47:32.Would you that the Armed Forces covenant should maybe an opportunity
:47:33. > :47:35.that in places like Staffordshire relocation of people from Gdrmany to
:47:36. > :47:40.the Staffordshire Regiment, it now means that we can actually think
:47:41. > :47:43.about the next ten or 30 ye`rs by how we help veterans now and when
:47:44. > :47:45.they retire so they can build real families and homes and not worry
:47:46. > :47:57.about some of the issues th`t younger
:47:58. > :48:03.members it is a complete lottery and I've seen it done well, I'vd seen at
:48:04. > :48:07.an appallingly. There is no accountability that which is why I
:48:08. > :48:10.hate to use the phrase about it becoming meaningless but unless it
:48:11. > :48:14.means something, it's just `nother phrase. It get out of jail from the
:48:15. > :48:24.dispatch box in terms of talking about it. That's
:48:25. > :48:42.what I does he accept the mhlitary Government has many huge te`ms
:48:43. > :48:56.to Government I wouldn't dismiss what I but I refer him back to the
:48:57. > :49:04.evidence which 85% is a significant who don't believe that that is the
:49:05. > :49:08.case in looking at all this, I really struggled a bit my fhnger on
:49:09. > :49:19.why any of this is so desperately hard the Government to achidve.
:49:20. > :49:24.Nobody else is the third -- fake charities to succeed. It nedds
:49:25. > :49:35.leadership, it needs a small but strong department with a cabinet
:49:36. > :49:39.falls on veteran's carer. In the. To actually delivering it. It needs the
:49:40. > :49:44.game changing events such as the Help For Heroes provided in 200 . It
:49:45. > :49:49.is within the PM's gift to do this and I would plead with her there are
:49:50. > :49:57.always reasons not to and I've heard them all. But every ally we fought
:49:58. > :49:58.alongside have tried ways to create a separate department for vdterans
:49:59. > :50:28.affairs and we should we mustn't give the impression, Madam
:50:29. > :50:32.Deputy Speaker, that help and charity, the that all these
:50:33. > :50:44.charities have helped for a very long time and and continue H think
:50:45. > :50:56.we must that these people who have helped my soldiers from, who unlike,
:50:57. > :51:04.at least to start with, Help For Heroes that did nothing. I just want
:51:05. > :51:15.to rise and say please, this House, do not see that help was a get on
:51:16. > :51:24.with the job. They did and they carried and they looked aftdr our
:51:25. > :51:34.men and women I thank my honourable friend for his intervention and I
:51:35. > :51:42.have I do believe the changd the market when it came to veteranthe
:51:43. > :51:46.charity sector has carried this burden for and people like lyself
:51:47. > :51:58.and my honourable friend will be enormously grateful for I whll close
:51:59. > :52:06.now, Madam I wanted to give than I gave in the last time. This duty is
:52:07. > :52:13.not going for my colleagues in this place for my persistence on this
:52:14. > :52:17.matter which must appear yot cannot have had the experience I h`ve had
:52:18. > :52:21.for one has seen and felt the sacrifice of our Armed Forcds Day
:52:22. > :52:26.after day far from the publhc gaze and give up this torch now. I am
:52:27. > :52:30.privileged beyond anything `nd I will use and abuse that privileged
:52:31. > :52:42.until the situation changes because they deserve it. Some lost body
:52:43. > :52:46.parts they would lost wives in a process that is ongoing to the MA
:52:47. > :52:54.deserved a country and a Government that cares in the world I fhnd so
:52:55. > :53:02.incredibly selfish and cruel, they sacrificed. That is without
:53:03. > :53:10.mentioning, I said at my first day here and it will forever relain
:53:11. > :53:15.true. The years on this nathon's continuing freedom and we mtst never
:53:16. > :53:27.tire in duty I will not havd to repeat this to many
:53:28. > :53:38.were I start by congratulathng my honourable friend the his sterling
:53:39. > :53:45.work and passion in ensuring that our veterans have the necessary
:53:46. > :53:50.support and welfare that thdy deserve as a veteran himself he is
:53:51. > :53:55.well placed to speak to the House on their behalf. Since arriving in the
:53:56. > :53:59.House in 2015, he has made ht his mission to campaign on this and
:54:00. > :54:06.whilst I cannot claim to be a veteran quite yet, although last
:54:07. > :54:15.week I was described at the Army borders seasoned oak, it cldarly
:54:16. > :54:21.can't through my more the ilportance of this subject. Equally, I am
:54:22. > :54:30.grateful to him for his concern about my ever although, I confess
:54:31. > :54:35.with reserves added a serving member of the Army reserves and a Royal
:54:36. > :54:39.engineer for 20 years, I usdd to say "aye" look far too long to have been
:54:40. > :54:45.a Royal engineer for 20 years but I fear now I do not it is least a
:54:46. > :54:53.brief I have some basic understanding on and didn't have to
:54:54. > :54:58.do too comments are in need of it the armed it is really the
:54:59. > :55:02.recognition that the nation as well as the Government have a
:55:03. > :55:08.responsibility to ensure th`t our veterans suffer at no disadvantage
:55:09. > :55:14.as a result of there was implication that the Cabinet has not bedn
:55:15. > :55:18.applied consistently across the United Kingdom. This is a concern
:55:19. > :55:26.that I have had for some tile, which is why earlier this year, I
:55:27. > :55:35.commissioned the to do a review of the covenant across they have
:55:36. > :55:39.recently report which is effectively aimed at showing best practhce and I
:55:40. > :55:44.would encourage any of my colleagues in the house tonight to beat that
:55:45. > :55:49.report and, crucially, the light that best practice and encotrage
:55:50. > :55:56.their local authorities to follow it. There are some fantastic and it
:55:57. > :56:00.will come as no surprise th`t those local authorities would seel to do
:56:01. > :56:04.it best are those with the greatest proportion of members of thd Armed
:56:05. > :56:10.Forces. I would simply use this opportunity to send please spread
:56:11. > :56:12.that report far and wide because that is the means with which we can
:56:13. > :56:30.begin to improve a level of We have been supporting an tmbrella
:56:31. > :56:33.organisation of 250 charitids and plasterwork and I will talk about
:56:34. > :56:36.this in greater detail throtghout the course of the debate. Mx
:56:37. > :56:42.honourable friend and I agrde on many things, though I fear that is
:56:43. > :56:46.one that we do not. I once `gain note the reference made by ly
:56:47. > :56:50.honourable friend for the sdparate department for veterans. I can only
:56:51. > :56:53.repeat what I said at the ddbate in March this year that on bal`nce I
:56:54. > :56:57.did not believe this to be the best approach although of course if it
:56:58. > :57:02.does mean that I end up in the Cabinet then perhaps maybe he could
:57:03. > :57:09.persuade me to change my mind but I feel it would not be me that were to
:57:10. > :57:12.be in the Cabinet. The needs of veterans fired up Whitehall
:57:13. > :57:17.boundaries national borders because first and foremost they are veterans
:57:18. > :57:20.previously that was my honotrable previously that was my honotrable
:57:21. > :57:27.friend and I agree in the end we did not necessarily agree on thd means.
:57:28. > :57:30.I fear our veterans ministrx would duplicate work which alreadx exists
:57:31. > :57:33.throughout the Department of Health and the Department for Work and
:57:34. > :57:38.Pensions and apartment for communities and local government and
:57:39. > :57:44.many organisations and government agencies. I also believe th`t the
:57:45. > :57:45.work of defence business services, veterans UK, provides a valtable
:57:46. > :57:53.service bringing together pdnsions service bringing together pdnsions
:57:54. > :57:57.in compensation and welfare support. He is making an important point
:57:58. > :58:02.about whether or not a department of veterans affairs is better for
:58:03. > :58:13.westerns are worse. -- veterans Would that demotivate those and
:58:14. > :58:18.apartment block in pets elsdwhere who are committed to the veterans
:58:19. > :58:23.issue and would then say th`t is not to do with me, that is over to them?
:58:24. > :58:26.I think to a degree it comes back to the principle of the Armed Forces
:58:27. > :58:30.covenant which is really an agreement between the nation as a
:58:31. > :58:35.whole and are veterans. I would hate to think that we move to a position
:58:36. > :58:38.responsibility to a single responsibility to a single
:58:39. > :58:42.department allowing others to feel that somehow it is not their
:58:43. > :58:46.responsibility to play a role in supporting our veterans. I do
:58:47. > :58:51.believe that the current system where responsibility for veterans
:58:52. > :58:55.across government is a positive move. Yes, more should be done to
:58:56. > :58:59.ensure that all are playing the part but I think I would agree on balance
:59:00. > :59:03.of my honourable friend that probably would be a retrogr`de step
:59:04. > :59:08.to have a dedicated veterans department and I think we nded not
:59:09. > :59:14.look too far across the Atl`ntic to see some of the problems thdy have
:59:15. > :59:15.their and this is not simplx financial but the very complex way
:59:16. > :59:20.in which care is given to otr in which care is given to otr
:59:21. > :59:23.veterans can be diverted and the author have the advantage of the
:59:24. > :59:26.National Health Service which is a very comprehensive health sdrvice
:59:27. > :59:39.the thing that is a very good medium in which to support our vetdrans.
:59:40. > :59:45.I have listened very carefully to what honourable gentleman s`id and I
:59:46. > :59:49.also great respect to my honourable friend from Plymouth. But I asked a
:59:50. > :59:58.question you are the veterans Minister and I take it. He the
:59:59. > :00:06.veterans Minister. I'm getthng carried away. The honourabld
:00:07. > :00:11.gentleman is the veterans Mhnister and as the veterans most I take it
:00:12. > :00:17.that you actually have fingdrs and other ministries such as he`lth and
:00:18. > :00:22.from your own efforts that veterans from your own efforts that veterans
:00:23. > :00:31.are well served and you are the focus. The honourable gentldman is
:00:32. > :00:42.getting me seriously carried away. It is his fault. I certainlx am the
:00:43. > :00:46.only minister with veterans and his title. I'm certainly prepardd to say
:00:47. > :00:53.that take the lead and veterans matters. I would however argue with
:00:54. > :00:58.my honourable friend that all ministers and government should have
:00:59. > :01:04.veterans on their mind. And do what they can to support our vetdrans, so
:01:05. > :01:09.yes, I am happy to take the lead and yes, I am happy to have the title
:01:10. > :01:13.and my portfolio and yes, I am happy to try and ensure that all of my
:01:14. > :01:18.ministerial colleagues also show the same interest but I would not want
:01:19. > :01:22.to be the only minister was sole responsibility for veterans for
:01:23. > :01:27.reasons I gave for men answdred my honourable friend for North
:01:28. > :01:31.Wiltshire. Despite this, I do recognise that the Ministry of
:01:32. > :01:35.Defence has a responsibilitx to ensure that the transition from
:01:36. > :01:46.service to civilian life is as smooth as possible. Allowing service
:01:47. > :01:49.bosses are they might -- service personnel to have transferable
:01:50. > :01:54.skills of the abandoned servers But I'm not saying there's not lore that
:01:55. > :01:57.could and should be done. I believe firmly that effective transhtion to
:01:58. > :02:04.civilian life as a major factor to ensuring effective care. I lust
:02:05. > :02:08.emphasise that most service leaders transfer well to civilian lhfe
:02:09. > :02:11.through a robust and effecthve settlement system known as ` career
:02:12. > :02:16.transition partnership which has helped 85% of service leavers find
:02:17. > :02:24.sustainable employment in 2014 015 sustainable employment in 2014 015
:02:25. > :02:28.in six months. But I do unddrstand there is a small percentage of
:02:29. > :02:32.service leavers who did not make a smooth transition and those are the
:02:33. > :02:37.people that we must work hard to identify and support. This hs also
:02:38. > :02:41.why am keen to include a qudstion on veterans and the National cdnsus.
:02:42. > :02:44.This will help us identify the veteran community and I asstre my
:02:45. > :02:47.honourable friend that I will continue to pursue this
:02:48. > :03:00.energetically with the Office of National Statistics. Would he also
:03:01. > :03:02.ensure that his colleague, the Secretary of State for the Cabinet
:03:03. > :03:11.Office, is fully briefed on this? And then of the day the ONS and not
:03:12. > :03:15.vital marker for the future. Here we vital marker for the future. Here we
:03:16. > :03:19.have a perfect example of why it is so important that the responsibility
:03:20. > :03:24.for veterans is across government peace because as the veterans
:03:25. > :03:34.Minister it is not within mx power to force the chief statistician to
:03:35. > :03:37.Cabinet Office do have, I understand Cabinet Office do have, I understand
:03:38. > :03:49.of my honourable friend is right, the ability to do that. Transition
:03:50. > :03:53.is seen as a through to measure it process and as people join the Armed
:03:54. > :03:57.Forces they concede they not only have the possible to have the full
:03:58. > :04:00.career but also that wanted it will become as avoiding the need to
:04:01. > :04:04.prepare for this. Career tr`nsition to start a day one of service and we
:04:05. > :04:09.must indicate this message the very first day and individual johnts
:04:10. > :04:13.However whether our veterans who have had difficulties in tr`nsition
:04:14. > :04:18.the government, local authorities in charge of the sector must step in to
:04:19. > :04:21.ensure they afforded appropriate support. Alongside the government
:04:22. > :04:26.some tuna have thousands service charities also play a role. The
:04:27. > :04:36.Confederation of service ch`rities and which many of the charities and
:04:37. > :04:42.a member discuss mental health and housing and encourage collective
:04:43. > :04:45.working and to raise ideas to implement solutions. To esthmate
:04:46. > :04:49.some of the ideas make the debate in March in relation to the role of
:04:50. > :04:52.charities in the veterans c`re sector we value our partnership with
:04:53. > :04:57.the charitable acuity sectors which address wider welfare requirements
:04:58. > :05:03.particularly to the more vulnerable individuals in the Armed Forces
:05:04. > :05:08.committee. Last week I chaired the ministerial service charitids board
:05:09. > :05:13.meeting attended by relevant government officials and Help For
:05:14. > :05:17.Heroes of the Royal British Legion and others. The recognition of some
:05:18. > :05:19.of the concerns my honourable friend races I reset its role with a focus
:05:20. > :05:23.on cooperation and a strategic on cooperation and a strategic
:05:24. > :05:29.approach to discussions where actions are taking on current and a
:05:30. > :05:39.portent issues arising in the sector. -- important. I do believe
:05:40. > :05:44.that accountability is important. As Minister for veterans I do walk a
:05:45. > :05:49.tightrope when it comes to dealing with charities. Automatically I have
:05:50. > :05:54.no power to direct a charitx to do anything. Charities are not
:05:55. > :05:59.responsible to government, charities are responsible to the trustees but
:06:00. > :06:02.role in providing leadership to try role in providing leadership to try
:06:03. > :06:08.supporting veterans and this is a supporting veterans and this is a
:06:09. > :06:15.role I try to fulfil. Help For Heroes is a charity that st`rted off
:06:16. > :06:18.in 2007 and the Armed Forces having recently re-engage in Afghanistan
:06:19. > :06:25.have stayed there for a further seven years. The support inhtially
:06:26. > :06:28.divided by Help For Heroes forefoot for the horrendous injuries
:06:29. > :06:30.Throughout the seven years `nd Throughout the seven years `nd
:06:31. > :06:35.beyond along with improvements equipment we have made great strides
:06:36. > :06:41.in ensuring the best medical support available by medical charithes and
:06:42. > :06:52.the NHS. I would like to take this opportunity to major route to
:06:53. > :07:00.Brennan and Emma Parry. -- lajor tribute to Bryn. I had meethng with
:07:01. > :07:07.the Deputy Minister. It couldn't come any sooner. In Northern Ireland
:07:08. > :07:12.be fired 100 veterans of last year and a half of last year and I have
:07:13. > :07:15.tried to commit suicide. Those veterans who served in Afgh`nistan
:07:16. > :07:21.did not have any regimental Association. What can be done to
:07:22. > :07:24.reach those people who are tnder the radar who nobody knows about but who
:07:25. > :07:33.are affected very quickly bx what they have seen? I intend to visit
:07:34. > :07:38.Northern Ireland shortly because for reasons that are obvious we have a
:07:39. > :07:40.unique set of circumstances over there witch am determined to do my
:07:41. > :07:50.bit to address that medicathon is the key. It is important, and I will
:07:51. > :07:56.get on this in a moment, to make sure that services and support are
:07:57. > :08:00.predicated and too often th`t is help out there but it's not clear
:08:01. > :08:04.how our veterans access that. I intend to say a few words about that
:08:05. > :08:08.at the moment of the honour`ble gentleman will bear with me. And
:08:09. > :08:12.from the House earlier this year of a plan to improve the care received
:08:13. > :08:17.by the most seriously injurdd and how the dependent service vdterans
:08:18. > :08:21.and personnel. Cover this is delivered by a number of separate
:08:22. > :08:24.illnesses including Ministrx of Defence and the NHS and a ntmber of
:08:25. > :08:31.charities and similar organhsations. We have a pilot on menses cleared of
:08:32. > :08:36.this kind coordinated and ddlivered by an new high dependency c`re
:08:37. > :08:41.system. It produces a joined up an improved system of care for the
:08:42. > :08:45.community groups. The early signs community groups. The early signs
:08:46. > :08:49.are that this is going well and I'm happy once it is established to how
:08:50. > :08:54.will we can extend it to a wider cohort of veterans. On that very
:08:55. > :08:58.point can I invite the minister to point can I invite the minister to
:08:59. > :09:01.look at the Dorset model as mentioned a few minutes ago? To see
:09:02. > :09:07.that feed into the model thd that feed into the model thd
:09:08. > :09:15.ministers just averted. I would be delighted to look at than model
:09:16. > :09:19.That model will provide confidence for a small number of indivhduals
:09:20. > :09:22.and families that their clinical and sport needs will be continud to be
:09:23. > :09:26.met and leave the Armed Forces and for the rest of the lives. Hn
:09:27. > :09:30.relation to the point of a single point of contact for veterans I have
:09:31. > :09:34.good news. The Armed Forces covenant fund has ?10 million each ydar to
:09:35. > :09:38.support the covenant by funding projects which address spechfic
:09:39. > :09:43.priorities. One of those behng the creation of veterans gatewax. They
:09:44. > :09:50.love this initiative is to provide a single point of contact via a fully
:09:51. > :09:51.transactional website and bx telephone providing information
:09:52. > :09:54.clearing house which takes hnto account the needs of all veterans
:09:55. > :10:01.they may be located. The announcement will be made vdry
:10:02. > :10:05.shortly on the preferred bidder of this contract with this fachlity
:10:06. > :10:09.been launched in 2017. Further to this we have the Armed Forcds
:10:10. > :10:13.covenant website itself which is serving and former serving personnel
:10:14. > :10:18.may access. The support of our veterans and the services that are
:10:19. > :10:24.provided for the welfare is not perfect but I, like my honotrable
:10:25. > :10:29.friend and all on members hdre tonight, are determined to do more.
:10:30. > :10:33.Important work is being dond by the government for the communithes of
:10:34. > :10:34.local government is supportdd housing, ensuring that local
:10:35. > :10:39.authorities have afforded bx at authorities have afforded bx at
:10:40. > :10:46.Devizes June. They have also introduced various measures to
:10:47. > :10:50.improve access to social hotsing for the service community which includes
:10:51. > :10:54.changing the law to ensure seriously injured personnel and veter`ns with
:10:55. > :10:59.serious housing needs are ghven high priority for social housing by local
:11:00. > :11:01.authorities. In health NHS Dngland are bringing in new initiathves for
:11:02. > :11:08.mental health provision services for veterans, the details of whhch M O D
:11:09. > :11:13.officials have provided expdrt input to. These are just a few ex`mples of
:11:14. > :11:20.the collaborative work we'rd putting into government.
:11:21. > :11:26.Veterinary Kerry is a very specialist area and doctors and
:11:27. > :11:30.nurses and staff need trainhng and support if the are to care for
:11:31. > :11:34.veterans act quickly and we have a lot to learn from veterans. That
:11:35. > :11:38.centre was set up because of having to look after veterans coming back
:11:39. > :11:44.from war which has benefited the country as a holder. Indeed. I
:11:45. > :11:49.absolutely agree with my honourable friend, this is a crucial area. An
:11:50. > :11:54.area when it comes to veter`n's mental health care I've been looking
:11:55. > :11:58.at a lot. I'm delighted to see my honourable friend for South West
:11:59. > :12:04.Wiltshire just enter the ch`mber because it was his report which did
:12:05. > :12:08.so much work in this area and I m delighted that we have been
:12:09. > :12:11.permitted nearly all of his recommendations. Equally I do
:12:12. > :12:16.believe very strongly the work going on at the moment about being able to
:12:17. > :12:24.transfer service personnel ledical to civilian National Health Service
:12:25. > :12:29.is vital in this area as we can effectively track our veter`ns.
:12:30. > :12:34.Critically we must ensure it right from the day that service pdrsonnel
:12:35. > :12:37.joined to the day that the leave that they are ready for the
:12:38. > :12:43.transition to the civilian world and collaboration and cooperation is the
:12:44. > :12:45.key. We must continue to work with other Government departments, local
:12:46. > :12:50.authorities and the charitable sector to build on what we have
:12:51. > :12:55.achieved thus far but I also thank my honourable friend for
:12:56. > :13:00.reasoning... I sense he is beginning to wind up and I just wanted to say
:13:01. > :13:06.to my honourable friend and thank him for his response. It is
:13:07. > :13:11.imperative on this side of the House that we do everything based on the
:13:12. > :13:15.evidence that is presented to us and we can persistently talk about the
:13:16. > :13:19.Armed Forces covenant working but you can see by the strength of the
:13:20. > :13:22.people that a tonight and the stories that are coming out on a
:13:23. > :13:28.weekly basis that at the molent it is not working as well as it should
:13:29. > :13:31.be and I understand his dislissal of the Department for veterans affairs
:13:32. > :13:38.but it works elsewhere. Othdr people have done it. It's completely
:13:39. > :13:42.different and I would just `sk him not to close his mind to thhs
:13:43. > :13:46.concept because I think unthl we do something like that and
:13:47. > :13:52.fundamentally change this, we will not stop the haemorrhaging of
:13:53. > :13:56.veterans care in this country. I would say two things. It is not just
:13:57. > :14:01.this side of the house that care is passionately about this. I `m
:14:02. > :14:07.confident both sides of the house care passionately about this
:14:08. > :14:13.subject. I have been greatlx encouraged by the very positive
:14:14. > :14:17.cooperation I have seen frol Her Majesty's loyal opposition hn trying
:14:18. > :14:23.to support constructively progress in this area. Equally, I wotld say
:14:24. > :14:26.and I hope that continues, H'm sure it will. Equally, I would s`y that I
:14:27. > :14:39.don't have a closed mind about anything. I would like to think in
:14:40. > :14:45.my ten year as veterans Minhster to date that I have demonstratdd there
:14:46. > :14:49.have been a number of issues, where I have tried to take a fresh
:14:50. > :14:54.approach, I have looked isstes again and there are a couple more issues
:14:55. > :14:58.in my inbox the moment I looking at. No, I don't have a closed mhnd. All
:14:59. > :15:03.I'm saying is at the moment on balance I do not believe it's the
:15:04. > :15:06.right approach and I think we have examples this evening over how other
:15:07. > :15:11.areas of the Government can effectively contribute to ensuring
:15:12. > :15:16.the care of our veterans and equally I am concerned the point made by my
:15:17. > :15:20.honourable friend for North Wiltshire but I wouldn't want to
:15:21. > :15:24.move to a position of effectively the rest of Government and society
:15:25. > :15:31.feels that somehow responsibility for our veterans has been ddlegated
:15:32. > :15:40.to a small part of Government. That on balance at the moment I believe
:15:41. > :15:53.would be a mistake. The question is did is how is now an adjournment? As
:15:54. > :15:54.many of that opinion say ayd? The ayes have it. Order,