:00:00. > :00:00.in view of the high levels of personal debt? We are looking very
:00:00. > :00:09.closely at, we will see some progress in the vein of future.
:00:10. > :00:19.Statement, the Secretary of State for Health man. -- the Secretary of
:00:20. > :00:26.State for Northern Ireland. Secretary James Brokenshire. Thank
:00:27. > :00:29.you, Mr Speaker. With permission, I should like to make a statement
:00:30. > :00:36.regarding forthcoming elections to the Northern Ireland Assembly. As
:00:37. > :00:39.the House is aware, Martin McGuinness resigned as dippy Defence
:00:40. > :00:43.Minister of Northern Ireland on Monday. As a result of which, the
:00:44. > :00:49.First Minister also ceased to hold office. -- Deputy First Minister.
:00:50. > :00:52.This began a seven-day period in which to fill both positions,
:00:53. > :00:58.otherwise it would fall to me to fulfil my statutory obligations as
:00:59. > :01:03.Secretary of State to call a fresh election to the Northern Ireland
:01:04. > :01:07.Assembly. Over the past week, I having gauged intensively with
:01:08. > :01:14.Northern Ireland's political parties to establish whether any basis
:01:15. > :01:17.existed to resolve the tensions within the executive without
:01:18. > :01:21.triggering an election. I've remained in close contact with the
:01:22. > :01:25.Irish foreign minister, Charlie Flanagan. In addition, my right
:01:26. > :01:29.honourable friend the Prime Minister has been kept fully informed and has
:01:30. > :01:34.had conversations with the former first and deputy first ministers and
:01:35. > :01:37.the Taoiseach Enda Kenny. Regrettably and despite all of our
:01:38. > :01:43.collective efforts, it has not proved possible to find an agreed
:01:44. > :01:48.way forward in the time available. In the Northern Ireland as the
:01:49. > :01:51.yesterday, the Democratic Unionist Party nominated Arlene Foster as
:01:52. > :01:58.First Minister whilst Sinn Fein declined to nominate anybody to the
:01:59. > :02:03.post of Deputy First Minister. While I have some discretion in law over
:02:04. > :02:07.the setting of a date for an election, given the circumstances in
:02:08. > :02:12.which we find ourselves in Northern Ireland, I can see no case for
:02:13. > :02:19.delay. As a result, once the final deadline has passed -- had passed at
:02:20. > :02:22.5p and yesterday, I proposed Thursday the 2nd of March as the
:02:23. > :02:26.date of the Assembly election. The Assembly itself will be dissolved
:02:27. > :02:33.from the 26th of January, meaning the last sitting day will be the
:02:34. > :02:35.25th of January, allowing time to conduct any urgent remaining
:02:36. > :02:42.business before the election campaign begins in earnest. I am now
:02:43. > :02:45.taking forward the process of submitting an order in council for
:02:46. > :02:49.approval by Her Majesty the Queen on the advice of the Privy Council,
:02:50. > :02:56.formally setting in law both the dates of the dissolution and the
:02:57. > :03:00.election. In setting the stakes, I have consulted the chief electoral
:03:01. > :03:03.officer for Northern Ireland chosen he has given the assurance in
:03:04. > :03:08.operational matters relating to the running of the election. -- in
:03:09. > :03:12.setting these dates. The decisions that I've taken have also been
:03:13. > :03:15.informed by my ongoing discussion with Northern Ireland's political
:03:16. > :03:19.leadership. All right honourable and honourable members in this House
:03:20. > :03:26.will understand that elections by their nature are hotly contested.
:03:27. > :03:31.This is part of the essence of our democracy. And nobody expects the
:03:32. > :03:38.debates around the key issues in Northern Ireland to be anything less
:03:39. > :03:41.than robust. I would, however, like to stress the following. This
:03:42. > :03:43.election is about the future of Northern Ireland and its political
:03:44. > :03:48.institutions are not just the Assembly, but all of the
:03:49. > :03:49.arrangements that have been put in place to reflect relationships
:03:50. > :03:58.through these islands. That is why it will be vital for the
:03:59. > :04:02.campaign to be conducted respectfully and in ways which do
:04:03. > :04:07.not simply exacerbate tensions and division. Once the campaign is over,
:04:08. > :04:10.we need to be in a position to re-establish strong and stable
:04:11. > :04:16.devolved government in Northern Ireland. And let me be very clear, I
:04:17. > :04:20.am not contemplating any outcome other than the re-establishment of
:04:21. > :04:27.strong and stable devolved government. For all the reasons I
:04:28. > :04:29.set out in my statement last week, devolution remains this government's
:04:30. > :04:33.strongly preferred option for Northern Ireland. It is about
:04:34. > :04:39.delivering a better future for the people of Northern Ireland, and
:04:40. > :04:42.meeting their expectations. For our part, the UK Government will
:04:43. > :04:48.continue to stand by our commitments under the Belfast agreement and its
:04:49. > :04:53.successors. We will do all that we can to safeguard political
:04:54. > :04:56.stability. Over the past decade, Northern Ireland has enjoyed the
:04:57. > :05:01.longest run of unbroken devolved government since before the demise
:05:02. > :05:06.of the old Stormont parliament in 1972. It has not always been easy,
:05:07. > :05:11.with more than a few bumps in the road. But with strong leadership,
:05:12. > :05:16.issues that might once have brought the institutions down have been
:05:17. > :05:20.resolved through dialogue. And Northern Ireland has been able to
:05:21. > :05:24.present itself to the world in a way that would have been unrecognisable
:05:25. > :05:29.a few years ago. A modern, dynamic and outward looking Northern
:05:30. > :05:33.Ireland, that is a great place to live, work, invest and to do
:05:34. > :05:39.business. Mr Speaker, Northern Ireland has come so far. We cannot
:05:40. > :05:45.allow the games that have been made to be derailed. -- the gains. So,
:05:46. > :05:49.yes, we have an election but once it is over, we need to be in a position
:05:50. > :05:56.to continue building in Northern Ireland that works for everyone.
:05:57. > :06:01.That is the responsibility on all of us and we all need to rise to the
:06:02. > :06:07.challenge. And in that spirit, Mr Speaker, I commend this statement to
:06:08. > :06:12.the house. Mr David Andersen. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. Can I
:06:13. > :06:16.thank the Secretary for his statement? Like most of us, I am
:06:17. > :06:19.saddened we are here today. I know many good people in Northern Ireland
:06:20. > :06:23.will feel exactly the same, the deep regret we have reached this impasse.
:06:24. > :06:29.I've personally been involved for almost three Deco Baku -- decade in
:06:30. > :06:32.Northern Ireland related issues and I have learned one thing, a
:06:33. > :06:36.political vacuum should be avoided at all gods. I say to the Secretary
:06:37. > :06:39.of State today, you must make sure that you are not only willing to
:06:40. > :06:43.fill the vacuum but you must work with all parties to try and seek a
:06:44. > :06:48.way forward so we avoid the nightmare scenario of six weeks of
:06:49. > :06:52.increasingly bitter campaigning, which leave us in the same place as
:06:53. > :06:57.when it started, with no solution in place to heal a huge divide and to
:06:58. > :07:02.bring together those elected representatives of all the people of
:07:03. > :07:06.Northern Ireland. I realise that the tension of an election dominates
:07:07. > :07:11.people's minds and the news agenda may well be focused on other issues.
:07:12. > :07:16.But Mr Speaker, I would suggest for the sake of all of us on these
:07:17. > :07:17.islands, we highlight the critical importance of maintaining devolved
:07:18. > :07:25.and functioning government in Northern Ireland. I want to see
:07:26. > :07:29.young men and women from Blaydon continue to go to Belfast with
:07:30. > :07:32.rucksacks on the backs, not back to the days when they went there with
:07:33. > :07:35.rifles on their shoulders. Anyone who thinks this is some form of
:07:36. > :07:41.local difficulty in Northern Ireland should think again. I want to see
:07:42. > :07:44.the continuing peace and prosperity in Northern Ireland that is helping
:07:45. > :07:48.to grow the economy and the life chances of all who live there. I
:07:49. > :07:50.want the world to look at Northern Ireland and rightly applaud the
:07:51. > :07:57.success we have witnessed over the past decades and hope none of us
:07:58. > :08:00.want to see a divided Northern Ireland that turns itself, as we
:08:01. > :08:05.have seen so often and so sadly in the past. There are huge issues
:08:06. > :08:09.facing the people of Northern Ireland. Our exit from the European
:08:10. > :08:13.Union and the real change it will bring to everybody's everyday lives.
:08:14. > :08:18.The uncertain position from the government on the UK's land border
:08:19. > :08:23.with Europe, how we keep improving economic performance, and
:08:24. > :08:28.critically, how we deal with Northern Ireland's unique and
:08:29. > :08:31.painful past. And without a stable, workable government, all these
:08:32. > :08:38.issues will be much harder to progress. Last week, the Secretary
:08:39. > :08:41.of State and the Prime Minister showed both myself and it out there
:08:42. > :08:45.will be scope for the Northern Ireland first -- voice to be heard
:08:46. > :08:49.in the run-up to negotiations on the EU, by the joint ministerial
:08:50. > :08:52.Council. If that is the case, then secretary of state, I say to you
:08:53. > :08:55.today, there's no reason for you not to engage with the parties and
:08:56. > :09:00.communities and begin to resolve the issues that have led to the
:09:01. > :09:05.breakdown, over the next six weeks, over the next eight weeks, and not
:09:06. > :09:12.let the election be an excuse for not getting people together. And
:09:13. > :09:15.let's Biglia, what is happening in Northern Ireland is just about who
:09:16. > :09:22.is or isn't First Minister or Deputy First Minister or the debacle that
:09:23. > :09:26.is the RHI scheme. There are real underlying issues. How we support
:09:27. > :09:33.the victims of the troubles. The women's rights and the equality for
:09:34. > :09:36.the LGBT communities. The treatment of ethnic minorities and migrant
:09:37. > :09:40.groups, and above all, how we deal with Northern Ireland's past and the
:09:41. > :09:45.crucial issue of trust and mutual respect. The Secretary of State has
:09:46. > :09:48.to face the fact that he has the responsibility to ensure the
:09:49. > :09:51.government deals with all parties in Northern Ireland on an equal basis
:09:52. > :10:00.because that clearly is a matter of huge concern to the parties in
:10:01. > :10:03.Northern Ireland. I wanted you credit to the Secretary of State,
:10:04. > :10:06.for the common measure Tony is adopted by Robert at the same time,
:10:07. > :10:13.I won't deny myself the optimism that those love Northern Ireland
:10:14. > :10:16.still feel, and to that end, I will this house that we will do
:10:17. > :10:19.everything we can develop but all parties need to look at what they
:10:20. > :10:26.can do to prevent present impasse degenerating into total collapse let
:10:27. > :10:30.me be very clear, we need to avoided if at all possible return to direct
:10:31. > :10:33.rule. We need Northern Ireland politicians to stand up and be
:10:34. > :10:39.counted, recognise their responsibility and accept that the
:10:40. > :10:42.vehicle for addressing the needs and concerns of their communities if the
:10:43. > :10:44.assembly and its executive. The need for continuing with the assembly
:10:45. > :10:48.should be the number one priority for them and all of us in
:10:49. > :10:55.Westminster. And the imposition of direct rule will serve no one. In
:10:56. > :11:01.the weeks to come, no one's personal or political position, posturing
:11:02. > :11:06.differences should get in the way it operates return to government and
:11:07. > :11:09.work in Northern Ireland. Secretary of State. Thank you Mr Speaker and
:11:10. > :11:13.can I welcome the right honourable gentleman's comment added emphasis
:11:14. > :11:17.on seeing that we return to shared government within Northern Ireland
:11:18. > :11:21.at the earliest possible opportunity. I welcome it support
:11:22. > :11:25.and his comets in underlining the focus that we must all have, and the
:11:26. > :11:29.shared responsibility that I think we all keenly feel in seeking to
:11:30. > :11:34.achieve that outcome. And indeed, how we use the time ahead as best
:11:35. > :11:40.and effectively as possible. He is aware that there is a relatively
:11:41. > :11:44.short period of time following an election, around three weeks, in
:11:45. > :11:53.order to form an executive. And we do need to use all of the time, up
:11:54. > :11:56.to polling day and beyond, to see that we bring people together and we
:11:57. > :11:59.retain the set of dialogue, as difficult and challenging as that
:12:00. > :12:05.may be during an election period but it is important that we continue to
:12:06. > :12:09.do so. It is that sense of political stability that obviously is the
:12:10. > :12:13.primary responsibility of government and we recognise that very firmly.
:12:14. > :12:18.Indeed, I have had discussions with all parties over the period since my
:12:19. > :12:24.last statement and have been very focused on engaging widely, seeking
:12:25. > :12:29.to encourage and promote a way forward, and that is absolutely what
:12:30. > :12:31.I will continue to do in the time ahead. I don't think anybody should
:12:32. > :12:37.prejudge the outcome of this election. And therefore, I think it
:12:38. > :12:43.is right that we are absolutely focused on seeking to get the right
:12:44. > :12:47.outcome, which is absolutely the continuation of devolved government
:12:48. > :12:50.in Northern Ireland. That is what I think is in the absolute best
:12:51. > :12:54.interests of the people of Northern Ireland, that allows things to move
:12:55. > :12:58.forward. And I think as the honourable gentleman said, we must
:12:59. > :13:04.all work collectively to that end and approach this in a positive way,
:13:05. > :13:08.as to what we can achieve. Mr Laurence Robertson. Thank you, Mr
:13:09. > :13:13.Speaker. Returning from Londonderry this morning, following meetings
:13:14. > :13:16.yesterday, I detected and witnessed a great sense of frustration about
:13:17. > :13:22.what is happening, and a great sense of disappointment that the assembly,
:13:23. > :13:26.yet again, was under threat and indeed, this time, has fallen. Does
:13:27. > :13:30.the Secretary of State therefore agree with me and indeed, the
:13:31. > :13:35.proposal made by the shadow Secretary of State, that the coming
:13:36. > :13:39.weeks should perhaps be used to explore all possibilities? Because
:13:40. > :13:43.none of us want to see a return to direct rule but the worry is that we
:13:44. > :13:47.are holding elections, as the secretary of state is indeed
:13:48. > :13:51.required to do, and the possibility, the strong possibility must be that
:13:52. > :13:56.those elections deliver the parties back to storm in roughly the same
:13:57. > :13:59.numbers as they are now. So what is indeed the likelihood of making
:14:00. > :14:02.progress under the present arrangement? -- back to Stormont.
:14:03. > :14:06.Surely we should use the coming weeks to put in place a plan B,
:14:07. > :14:10.where we can continue with some kind of devolved government and not bring
:14:11. > :14:16.powers back to this house because direct rule is not a satisfactory
:14:17. > :14:20.way of running Northern Ireland. I'm grateful to my honourable friend for
:14:21. > :14:22.his comments and as he rightly identifies, the key issue is the
:14:23. > :14:27.maintenance of devolved government in Northern Ireland. He is also
:14:28. > :14:32.right, I think, to see how we ensure that we use the time available to
:14:33. > :14:35.us, that communication lines, the dialogue remains open during the
:14:36. > :14:41.election period. However difficult that may appear. But equally knowing
:14:42. > :14:44.that the issues that have been highlighted, in terms of trust and
:14:45. > :14:49.confidence in the institutions, the ability for parties to be able to
:14:50. > :14:52.work together in that shared government arrangement, will still
:14:53. > :14:57.need to be resolved. And therefore, I think it is with that sense of how
:14:58. > :15:03.we can use this time to bring people together, that must be at the
:15:04. > :15:06.forefront of our minds. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I thank the Secretary of
:15:07. > :15:09.State for advance notice of his statement and I support the call is
:15:10. > :15:13.made yesterday for the election to be conducted in a manner which looks
:15:14. > :15:15.to the future and anticipates difficult but reasonable
:15:16. > :15:19.negotiations for the establishment of an effective administration after
:15:20. > :15:21.the election. No one will get everything they want from this
:15:22. > :15:27.election or from the formation of the new executive but the people
:15:28. > :15:30.that politicians serve deserve our best and most faithful efforts. The
:15:31. > :15:34.victory in this election should belong to the people, not political
:15:35. > :15:37.parties. This election has been brought about by a set of
:15:38. > :15:41.circumstances that have their genesis in Belfast and will also
:15:42. > :15:44.have their solutions in Belfast. And we will be onlookers to a great
:15:45. > :15:50.extent but there are some areas in which the efforts made here may
:15:51. > :15:53.actually help. I'm pleased to hear that dialogue between the secretary
:15:54. > :15:56.of state and the parties in Northern Ireland will continue throughout the
:15:57. > :16:01.election period so the ground is prepared for the negotiations over
:16:02. > :16:04.holding office in March. Can he tell us whether he will take those
:16:05. > :16:08.opportunities to reassure the parties that funding will not be
:16:09. > :16:13.cut, particularly from the support for addressing the legacy issues.
:16:14. > :16:17.The assembly suffers from the austerity fetish as much as the rest
:16:18. > :16:20.of the UK but it carries additional burdens, and it needs those extra
:16:21. > :16:24.resources. The past couple of months in the assembly have been marked by
:16:25. > :16:28.some serious allegations. What support will he be able to offer the
:16:29. > :16:33.assembly to have those allegations properly investigated and
:16:34. > :16:35.resolutions found? The uncertainty of this election, with the
:16:36. > :16:40.peculiarities surrounding it, adds to the uncertainty of the Brexit
:16:41. > :16:44.mess. What support can the government offered to people and
:16:45. > :16:49.businesses in Northern Ireland to smooth the next few months? And
:16:50. > :16:53.finally, can you clarify what special arrangements he is putting
:16:54. > :17:00.in place to consult on the Brexit negotiations while the election is
:17:01. > :17:04.ongoing? I'm grateful to the honourable lady for highlighting the
:17:05. > :17:07.issue in relation to the nature of elections, and again, the issues
:17:08. > :17:13.that I think we all recognise that are at stake here. I can assure her
:17:14. > :17:16.that we will be doing our part to maintain communication channels, to
:17:17. > :17:22.maintain that open dialogue, and to again continue to encourage the
:17:23. > :17:26.parties to think carefully about the nature of the campaign ahead on how
:17:27. > :17:29.best to be able to bring people back together afterwards, to get on with
:17:30. > :17:35.devolved government in Northern Ireland. She asks a number of more
:17:36. > :17:38.detailed questions, and in relation to the issue of legacy, she will
:17:39. > :17:44.know that it remains this government's intend to give effect
:17:45. > :17:47.to the Stormont House agreement and the funding commitments that were
:17:48. > :17:52.made in respect of that remain very firmly in place. In respect of
:17:53. > :17:55.support to investigation and the enquiry in relation to the
:17:56. > :17:58.allegations that in many ways have provided the trigger or the catalyst
:17:59. > :18:03.to the situation that we now find ourselves in, as she indicated, I
:18:04. > :18:08.continue to believe that the best solution for this lies within
:18:09. > :18:14.Northern Ireland. This is a devolved matter and therefore, in terms of
:18:15. > :18:16.the way in which answers are to be provided, it still seems right that
:18:17. > :18:21.it should come from that direction. But I remain open to work with
:18:22. > :18:25.parties on a cross community basis to see what support can be given
:18:26. > :18:31.because ultimately, it is about getting answers to a number of these
:18:32. > :18:36.issues, that matters so much. On the issue of the UK's departure from the
:18:37. > :18:39.European Union, well, I think that as honourable and right honourable
:18:40. > :18:42.members will have heard, the Prime Minister set out a very clear
:18:43. > :18:45.position in respect of this government's approach and indeed,
:18:46. > :18:49.emphasising those issues around the Common travel area, and indeed
:18:50. > :18:51.strengthening the union as well. I know honourable and right honourable
:18:52. > :18:52.members will have plenty of opportunity to raise further
:18:53. > :19:04.questions on that later today. Project may I make a fervent plea to
:19:05. > :19:08.my right honourable friend, that he should protect the interests of
:19:09. > :19:13.former British soldiers currently being charged by the Sinn
:19:14. > :19:19.Fein-supporting Director of Public Prosecutions in Northern Ireland,
:19:20. > :19:23.with respect to events which took place more than 40 years ago. It
:19:24. > :19:25.appears that the Director of Public Prosecutions issued a notice to news
:19:26. > :19:47.desks, not for publication. Is this not an attempt to muzzle
:19:48. > :19:51.Parliament and indeed to question the right of this House to support
:19:52. > :19:59.those soldiers who sought to bring about peace in Northern Ireland? In
:20:00. > :20:02.my usual way, I have been, as I think the House would acknowledge,
:20:03. > :20:05.extremely generous to the honourable gentleman. The honourable gentleman
:20:06. > :20:09.has asked a most interesting question and has delivered it with
:20:10. > :20:13.his usual eloquence, but it does suffer from one disadvantage, and
:20:14. > :20:16.that is that it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the
:20:17. > :20:19.statement the Secretary of State is made. Nevertheless I have indulged
:20:20. > :20:25.the honourable gentleman, and he can thank me on a daily basis. Secretary
:20:26. > :20:28.of State... Mr Speaker, my honourable friend raises the
:20:29. > :20:34.important issue in relation to legacy. As I indicated to this House
:20:35. > :20:38.last week, I will never tyre of my praise for the work of our armed
:20:39. > :20:44.forces personnel in actually securing the peace, securing the
:20:45. > :20:49.stability and securing the arrangements that we see in Northern
:20:50. > :20:51.Ireland today. Yes, I do have some concerns about imbalance within the
:20:52. > :20:56.system, and therefore why I believe it is right that we do move forward
:20:57. > :21:01.with the Stormont agreement and the legacy bodies that are set up there.
:21:02. > :21:07.I will not comment on any individual decisions, and indeed, justice is
:21:08. > :21:11.devolved in Northern Ireland and also it has its own processes that
:21:12. > :21:15.remain in place in an independent way. But I hear very clearly the
:21:16. > :21:19.very general and firm point that my friend makes in relation to balance
:21:20. > :21:27.within the overall system trick of it is something I'm very keen to
:21:28. > :21:30.address. Mr Speaker, this party has worked tirelessly in recent years to
:21:31. > :21:34.move Northern Ireland forward, to make devolution work and to create
:21:35. > :21:38.conditions for stable government in Northern Ireland. So we are deeply
:21:39. > :21:43.disappointed, frustrated and angered by the decision of Sinn Fein to walk
:21:44. > :21:47.away from devolved government and cause this election. And what is
:21:48. > :21:51.this election about? It is fairly clear, it is not about the RHI
:21:52. > :21:55.issue, because had it been, then we could have got on with sorting it
:21:56. > :21:58.out, and indeed this election will serve to disrupt and delays ordering
:21:59. > :22:03.those issues out. What it's about is Sinn Fein sinking opportune
:22:04. > :22:07.political advantage, seeking to overturn the result of the election
:22:08. > :22:10.held just a few months ago, and seeking to gain a list of
:22:11. > :22:14.concessions from the Government on legacy issues, such as rewriting the
:22:15. > :22:18.past and putting more soldiers and police men in the dock, and other
:22:19. > :22:23.issues, and other concessions from the DUP. Let us be clear, we will
:22:24. > :22:26.work through this election and afterwards to create devolved
:22:27. > :22:29.government that is stable in Northern Ireland. But let this House
:22:30. > :22:34.know and the people of all Ireland know that just as we have not even
:22:35. > :22:39.into Sinn Fein demands in the past, we will not bow down and give into
:22:40. > :22:46.Fein 's unreasonable demands going forward, because that is what this
:22:47. > :22:53.election is all about Mr Speaker, I Recognise That There Are Strongly
:22:54. > :22:57.Held Views On All Sides, And we do enter into an election period when
:22:58. > :23:03.I'm sure that these issues will be hotly and keenly contested. What I
:23:04. > :23:05.do very much welcome from what the right honourable gentleman has said
:23:06. > :23:12.is that willingness to engage, to work things through, and that desire
:23:13. > :23:15.to get back into stable, shared, devolved devilment. And I think that
:23:16. > :23:20.is the focus that we all have in our minds in looking to the future of
:23:21. > :23:23.Northern Ireland and how we can get on with governing in the best
:23:24. > :23:30.interests of all in Northern Ireland. Does the Secretary of State
:23:31. > :23:35.agree with me that all encumbered, unhindered press is absolutely vital
:23:36. > :23:39.to the future elections? And would he agree that any chilling effect or
:23:40. > :23:42.threats could actually undermine the very democratic essence of these
:23:43. > :23:54.elections? We must have a free press. Well, I think the issues
:23:55. > :24:00.around the election will I'm sure be keenly and hotly contested. From all
:24:01. > :24:04.of my experience in seeing the experiences in Northern Ireland, the
:24:05. > :24:09.press is fair and free and open and it has wide debate contained within
:24:10. > :24:13.it. And so I think those building blocks that we see as a government
:24:14. > :24:16.on freedom of the press, and indeed the strength of our judiciary and
:24:17. > :24:25.legal processes as well, and seeing that those pillars of our democracy
:24:26. > :24:27.are upheld. In truth, Northern Ireland has lurched from one
:24:28. > :24:31.political crisis to another in recent years. Is it not time that
:24:32. > :24:36.the Government urgently reviews constitutional arrangements covering
:24:37. > :24:40.power-sharing, looking at issues like the title of First Minister and
:24:41. > :24:43.the pity First Minister but also a range of other issues? Is that not
:24:44. > :24:46.how the Government could add value in terms of long-term stability,
:24:47. > :24:54.reviewing those Costa to show arrangements? I think we need to be
:24:55. > :24:59.very careful at the moment as to the approach that we take. We are now
:25:00. > :25:03.embarking on an election which, as I have said, I do not want to prejudge
:25:04. > :25:07.the outcome of the election were indeed discussions that take place
:25:08. > :25:11.during this period and through and beyond the short window of time that
:25:12. > :25:19.we have after the election period, either. We will do all that we can
:25:20. > :25:22.as the UK Government, that primary responsibility that we hold in
:25:23. > :25:27.providing political stability within Northern Ireland. Clearly, the
:25:28. > :25:30.parties will need to discuss and have that open dialogue which I hope
:25:31. > :25:34.brings people back together again, but I think at this stage, seeking
:25:35. > :25:37.to try and widen the debate can I think we need to be very focused on
:25:38. > :25:41.the task at hand in bringing people back together again. Yes, the UK
:25:42. > :25:45.Government will play its part in supporting the Belfast agreement and
:25:46. > :25:47.its successors and bringing that element of stability and getting
:25:48. > :25:56.devolved government back in Northern Ireland, which is what we all want
:25:57. > :26:00.to see. Can I congratulate my right honourable friend for his calm and
:26:01. > :26:07.measured approach during these difficult circumstances? Does he
:26:08. > :26:09.show my concern that if indeed the resignation of Mr McGinnis was
:26:10. > :26:14.political and not over the environment in issue, that the
:26:15. > :26:20.intent of Sinn Fein is to halt these elections and then not to reappoint
:26:21. > :26:23.afterwards, which would put pressure on my right honourable friends to
:26:24. > :26:29.resort to direct rule, and all the consequences of that. Does he share
:26:30. > :26:33.my concern that this is a real possibility? I have said that I am
:26:34. > :26:40.concerned that an election campaign which seeks to divide and seeks to
:26:41. > :26:47.make it that much harder to bring people back together again
:26:48. > :26:50.afterwards clearly is a risk and one which I am concerned about, and one
:26:51. > :26:54.which I would again remind and encourage people to think about
:26:55. > :27:01.these issues very, very carefully. It's clear that the issues at stake
:27:02. > :27:07.here go much wider than simply the renewable heat scheme which perhaps
:27:08. > :27:11.was the issue which customised this. But I think we need to be very
:27:12. > :27:16.careful and appreciate quite what is at stake. -- which crystallised
:27:17. > :27:19.this. It is very important for people to be able to work together,
:27:20. > :27:25.to maintain communication and dialogue so that we do see the
:27:26. > :27:26.return of shared government in Northern Ireland for all communities
:27:27. > :27:36.at the earliest possible opportunity. The Secretary of State
:27:37. > :27:39.has rightly touched upon the fact that trust and confidence has to be
:27:40. > :27:44.rebuilt in the suggestions in Northern Ireland. One of the best
:27:45. > :27:47.ways of doing that is transparency. Transparency around the renewable
:27:48. > :27:53.heating scheme and also, with the greatest respect to the Secretary of
:27:54. > :27:57.State transparency around political parties and their donations to
:27:58. > :28:01.elliptical parties operating in Northern Ireland. Sinn Fein has
:28:02. > :28:05.precipitated this election. The people in Northern Ireland are
:28:06. > :28:10.entitled to know, who funds Sinn Fein? Who is funding this Pallo
:28:11. > :28:16.Jordan Assembly election? And by the same token, who is sponsoring and
:28:17. > :28:21.funding the other political parties in Northern Ireland? Please don't
:28:22. > :28:25.tell me he will reflect upon it, what is the Secretary of State going
:28:26. > :28:31.to do about it? The honourable lady has made the point about political
:28:32. > :28:34.donations and transparency over a number of weeks and months. And I
:28:35. > :28:38.have a huge amount of sympathy for the view that she rightly takes the
:28:39. > :28:43.Government that's why I did write out to all of the party leaders a
:28:44. > :28:49.very short time ago to ask them for their views, to come back to me by
:28:50. > :28:53.the end of this month, to be able to move things forward. I think it is
:28:54. > :28:57.right that we look at that reform and that we actually start to put in
:28:58. > :29:03.place changes that give that rate transparency to politics in Northern
:29:04. > :29:12.Ireland. That's why I look forward to receiving those responses so that
:29:13. > :29:16.we can move forward. Can I commend my right honourable friend's calm
:29:17. > :29:22.and measured approach? Could he update the House on what he's going
:29:23. > :29:24.to do to facilitate the voice of Northern Ireland, from politicians,
:29:25. > :29:30.into the run-up to triggering Article 50? Obviously, the Assembly
:29:31. > :29:33.will be the move very quickly, there is an election can do very short
:29:34. > :29:36.period of time before we will trigger Article 50, and we want to
:29:37. > :29:40.make sure that the voice of Northern Ireland is heard in our approach to
:29:41. > :29:46.our future. I think it's important to recognise that while an election
:29:47. > :29:50.has been called, that ministers other than the first and Deputy
:29:51. > :29:54.First Minister remain in place within the executive, and that
:29:55. > :29:59.therefore we will continue to issue invitations to the executive, to
:30:00. > :30:01.send representation to each of the meetings that will continue through
:30:02. > :30:06.the joint ministerial committee or through other means, and therefore,
:30:07. > :30:11.it is that approach that will be taken as we look towards the
:30:12. > :30:15.triggering of Article 50. But obviously, I will continue to have
:30:16. > :30:19.my broad engagements across community, with business, with the
:30:20. > :30:23.voluntary and community sector and more broadly, to ensure that we
:30:24. > :30:25.continue to listen to and reflect upon the views of people in Northern
:30:26. > :30:36.Ireland, as we look to the negotiations ahead. Could the
:30:37. > :30:40.Secretary of State share with us something more of his thoughts on
:30:41. > :30:43.what he expects to happen after an election in Northern Ireland? Does
:30:44. > :30:49.he accept that the problems will remain, and without him calling a
:30:50. > :30:54.public enquiries into renewable heat, or if he cannot find a way to
:30:55. > :30:58.do that, making it clear that he fully supports a public inquiry?
:30:59. > :31:02.Because without a public inquiry, public confidence in our political
:31:03. > :31:06.settlement will sink even lower and make restoration of the executive
:31:07. > :31:10.even more difficult. That's what people are telling me on the streets
:31:11. > :31:15.over the last few days and the last week, that they basically need to
:31:16. > :31:23.see clarity. That we are having an election here in a fog. It is quite
:31:24. > :31:27.clear that the issues surrounding the renewable heat incentive scheme
:31:28. > :31:31.are very much at the heart of what has led to the election that I have
:31:32. > :31:34.now called. I think it is right that we do get answered around this. I
:31:35. > :31:39.think it is absolutely critical in terms of re-establishing trust and
:31:40. > :31:41.confidence and accountability, giving answers to the public in
:31:42. > :31:47.relation to what has taken place here. As I've indicated, I think
:31:48. > :31:51.that it is right for that, as much as it possibly can do, to come from
:31:52. > :31:57.Northern Ireland itself. This was a devolved issue, this was something
:31:58. > :32:03.that relates to decisions within Northern Ireland. But I stand ready
:32:04. > :32:05.to work with and consider options on a cross community basis which will
:32:06. > :32:11.command support across the community. It is actually how we get
:32:12. > :32:17.those answers and see that we are injecting those back into the whole
:32:18. > :32:20.process. I'm sure the Secretary of State and others in the House may
:32:21. > :32:23.reflect on the irony that this election has been caused by the
:32:24. > :32:26.resignation of a man who spent a lot of his life trying to use violence
:32:27. > :32:29.to overcome the democratic will of the people of Northern Ireland to be
:32:30. > :32:33.part of this United Kingdom. But will he also agree with me that it
:32:34. > :32:38.is vital that work is done to ensure that in dealing with the past, those
:32:39. > :32:41.who have put their lives on the line to defend this democracy, are not
:32:42. > :32:46.unduly hounded by these legal processes? I think it is absolutely
:32:47. > :32:50.right that we have a system that is fair just, balanced and
:32:51. > :32:54.proportionate. I've been very clear on that on a number of occasions.
:32:55. > :32:58.That's why I strongly believe that the framework of Stormont house, the
:32:59. > :33:02.legacy institutions which are contemplated within that, divider
:33:03. > :33:08.framework and way forward to achieve that. Because I am concerned that
:33:09. > :33:12.there is an imbalance in the system with a focus on state -based actors.
:33:13. > :33:16.And actually getting answers for those who lost loved ones as a
:33:17. > :33:20.consequence of terrorist atrocities is really, really essential. That's
:33:21. > :33:27.why I want to see this moving forward, and why we strongly believe
:33:28. > :33:31.that change is required. We all wish everyone well in Northern Ireland in
:33:32. > :33:37.trying to resolve these current difficulties. Can I pass the
:33:38. > :33:39.Secretary of State on what he's doing with respect to the Irish
:33:40. > :33:44.government, working in partnership with the Irish government? The
:33:45. > :33:47.British and Irish governments are co-and tours of the Good Friday
:33:48. > :33:52.Agreement. So what plans has he got to work with the Irish government,
:33:53. > :33:56.is he planning a summit, is he panning talks, what concrete
:33:57. > :34:02.measures is the Secretary of State planning to take with the Irish
:34:03. > :34:06.government, to help resolve these difficulties together? As I've
:34:07. > :34:11.indicated to the House, I've had regular, ongoing communication with
:34:12. > :34:14.Charlie Flanagan, the Irish foreign minister, and indeed the
:34:15. > :34:19.conversations that the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach have had
:34:20. > :34:24.together. I certainly do intend to meet Charlie Flanagan in the very
:34:25. > :34:30.near future. So that we can assess the current situation, and determine
:34:31. > :34:34.how we as two governments can seek to encourage, promote and see that
:34:35. > :34:38.we are bringing people together in this way, such that, as I've said,
:34:39. > :34:39.we see the maintenance and continuation of devolved government
:34:40. > :34:46.in Northern Ireland. What alternative to direct rule
:34:47. > :34:51.would be available in these elections do not see an immediate
:34:52. > :34:56.power-sharing government? Mr Speaker, I indicated that it is, I
:34:57. > :35:00.think it would be premature and wrong to contemplate something other
:35:01. > :35:04.than devolved government in Northern Ireland. I think that is where we
:35:05. > :35:10.have to have all of our focus in the weeks ahead. That encouragement to
:35:11. > :35:14.the parties, the dialogue, the communication that I think is
:35:15. > :35:18.absolutely necessary. And while I know that others will say what is
:35:19. > :35:22.this, what if that, what if we don't get to a position where we have
:35:23. > :35:26.that, well, I'm not contemplating that. I'm contemplating how we use
:35:27. > :35:31.the time available to us, to maintain devolved government, to get
:35:32. > :35:33.people back into that power-sharing arrangement, and getting on,
:35:34. > :35:37.frankly, with what people in Northern Ireland want which is a
:35:38. > :35:40.settled situation, taking Northern Ireland forward and seeing that
:35:41. > :35:47.positive, optimistic Northern Ireland I know if parent has so much
:35:48. > :35:50.more to give. Thank you Mr Speaker. Central to those political
:35:51. > :35:55.institutions has been the principle of power-sharing. So what efforts
:35:56. > :35:58.will be Secretary of State and the British government, working with the
:35:59. > :36:02.Irish government do to ensure that those principles of power-sharing on
:36:03. > :36:07.a mutual understanding, respect for political difference, which have
:36:08. > :36:10.been withered away over the last number of months, will be strictly
:36:11. > :36:15.adhered to following these elections and what work with the Irish
:36:16. > :36:21.government will actually take place within the next number of weeks to
:36:22. > :36:25.do just that? Well, I've already indicated to the house the dialogue
:36:26. > :36:29.and discussion we have had with the Irish government. And the work that
:36:30. > :36:33.we will continue and the discussions that we will continue to have. But I
:36:34. > :36:37.would stress as I said in my statement that this government
:36:38. > :36:43.remains committed to the Belfast agreement and its successors. All of
:36:44. > :36:47.what that means. Therefore, we will play our part to support the
:36:48. > :36:51.parties, to support discussion and dialogue, to see that we move to
:36:52. > :36:56.that stable, devolved government position that I think underpins so
:36:57. > :36:59.much of the work, so much of the positive work we see in Northern
:37:00. > :37:06.Ireland. And returning to that period of stability which is what
:37:07. > :37:08.everybody would wish to see. Foreign direct investment into Northern
:37:09. > :37:11.Ireland has been a great success in recent years. Will my right
:37:12. > :37:14.honourable friend reassure me that he had his office will do all they
:37:15. > :37:19.can to maintain a positive momentum during this period of political
:37:20. > :37:23.instability? Absolutely, I can give that assurance to my honourable
:37:24. > :37:27.friend because Northern Ireland has seen so much success in terms of
:37:28. > :37:30.foreign direct investment. I think the region with the greatest foreign
:37:31. > :37:37.direct investment outside of the City of London. I think that
:37:38. > :37:39.underlines the huge potential I see, the huge ability for Northern
:37:40. > :37:43.Ireland to continue to flourish and do so much more and absolutely yes,
:37:44. > :37:49.we will continue to underline that message. Jeffrey Donaldson. I echo
:37:50. > :37:52.the comments made by the honourable member for South Belfast. He and I
:37:53. > :37:55.and many others in this house have worked hard to bring the peace
:37:56. > :37:59.process to where it is today and we have taken risks and I despair of
:38:00. > :38:04.where we are just now. But can I say to the Secretary of State that if he
:38:05. > :38:07.is going to sit on his hands in the next six weeks and do nothing about
:38:08. > :38:11.the current crisis, then he can forget three weeks after an election
:38:12. > :38:15.to get devolution up and running. I support the suggestion made by the
:38:16. > :38:17.honourable member for South Belfast for which there is cross community
:38:18. > :38:21.support, that this government get on with holding a public enquiry into
:38:22. > :38:28.the RHI scheme that Sinn Fein have blocked. -- public inquiry. I can
:38:29. > :38:31.say to the honourable gentleman that this government will continue to do
:38:32. > :38:35.all it can to support the parties to find a resolution and the way
:38:36. > :38:40.through. As I have already indicated in answers the previous questions, I
:38:41. > :38:46.remain open to consider issues that command cross community support in
:38:47. > :38:51.order to find answers to be able to get to the root of issues in respect
:38:52. > :38:55.of the RHI enquiry and therefore, I will continue to hear those points
:38:56. > :38:58.that are made on that costume unity basis because ultimately, whatever
:38:59. > :39:06.is done must command confidence and support in Northern Ireland in order
:39:07. > :39:10.for this to be successful. Alison McGovern. The connection between the
:39:11. > :39:15.people of Merseyside and the people of Northern Ireland are many and
:39:16. > :39:18.they run deep. Can I press the Secretary of State on what he's
:39:19. > :39:22.doing, given the current political situation, the effect on Stormont's
:39:23. > :39:30.budget, to absolutely make sure the people of Northern Ireland lose out?
:39:31. > :39:32.The obvious way for the people of Northern Ireland not to lose out is
:39:33. > :39:36.to see the re-establishment of devolved government at the earliest
:39:37. > :39:39.popular -- possible opportunities work can continue, but it can get
:39:40. > :39:43.set and programmes can be put in place to take Northern Ireland
:39:44. > :39:46.further forward. That is why I make the point in those clear terms, in
:39:47. > :39:51.the focus and attention and effort that give in working with the
:39:52. > :39:54.parties to encourage dialogue, discussion, to bring people together
:39:55. > :39:59.because that is the most powerful and effective way to give effect to
:40:00. > :40:03.what the honourable lady was saying. Alistair Carmichael. Mr Speaker, we
:40:04. > :40:07.can have as many elections as we choose to hold but we will only get
:40:08. > :40:10.the strong and stable devolved government that the secretary of
:40:11. > :40:14.state says he wants when we have trust between the parties and
:40:15. > :40:18.transparency in the workings of the executive and in order to get that
:40:19. > :40:24.now, we need an independent examination of the conduct of the
:40:25. > :40:28.RHI will stop the secretary of state as the locus under the 2005 act to
:40:29. > :40:35.order that enquiry. It is surely apparent that nobody else is going
:40:36. > :40:37.to do it. He must. Well, I agree with the right honourable gentleman
:40:38. > :40:41.in terms of that sense of trust which has clearly broken down in
:40:42. > :40:46.Northern Ireland, hence the situation that we now find ourselves
:40:47. > :40:51.in. I hear the point that he makes clearly in relation to the need to
:40:52. > :40:56.get answers, the need for that transparency, the need for an
:40:57. > :40:59.inquiry and as I previously indicated, I strongly believe the
:41:00. > :41:02.best way to achieve that is by Northern Ireland being able to do
:41:03. > :41:06.that itself because that is where the issues arose, that is where
:41:07. > :41:10.devolution holds fire. But as I have already indicated to other parties,
:41:11. > :41:14.I will listen to and reflect upon suggestions, proposals that come
:41:15. > :41:19.forward on a costume unity basis because ultimately, it is that cross
:41:20. > :41:24.community bases -- cross community basis, it is that cross community
:41:25. > :41:27.basis which command confidence and respect and ensure that any
:41:28. > :41:30.investigations and inquiries are balanced and ensure they get to the
:41:31. > :41:37.answer is that people want and that accountability is shown. Mr Speaker,
:41:38. > :41:41.the Secretary of State... As he charts the course set by the Good
:41:42. > :41:43.Friday and St Andrews agreement in re-establishing the devolved
:41:44. > :41:47.institutions but the Prime Minister's commitment to data hard
:41:48. > :41:50.Brexit will cause widespread concern in Northern Ireland. Can I ask him
:41:51. > :41:53.to outline how he will work in full partnership with the Irish
:41:54. > :41:58.government on this matter while the assembly and executive is not
:41:59. > :42:04.functioning? I welcome the honourable gentleman's support for
:42:05. > :42:07.our work to ensure the return of stable devolved government, although
:42:08. > :42:12.I don't recognise his characterisation of what the Prime
:42:13. > :42:15.Minister has said. I think she has set out a bold, positive vision of
:42:16. > :42:19.what this country can be and what this country will be outside the
:42:20. > :42:23.European Union but yes, of course there is a negotiation to come. Of
:42:24. > :42:26.course we have had initial dialogue and discussion with the Irish
:42:27. > :42:29.government on how we get the best possible outcome for Northern
:42:30. > :42:32.Ireland and how that has been reflected in what the Prime Minister
:42:33. > :42:35.has said today, around the Common travel area and strengthening the
:42:36. > :42:45.union. That is precisely the approach we will take. Jim Shannon.
:42:46. > :42:47.Would be secretary of state care to outline exactly what people are
:42:48. > :42:53.voting for if Sinn Fein refused to work with the DUP or set a possible
:42:54. > :42:56.criteria or ask for possible concessions? How is the Secretary of
:42:57. > :43:00.State ensuring that Sinn Fein are not calling the shots, excuse the
:43:01. > :43:04.pun, on the elected government of Northern Ireland, and the electorate
:43:05. > :43:08.know their vote will not be ignored by the pithy fascinations of a party
:43:09. > :43:15.who simply want their own weight and do not like being challenged by a
:43:16. > :43:17.strong DUP team? Ultimately, this election is about the future of
:43:18. > :43:22.Northern Ireland, its future direction. In a democracy, I'm quite
:43:23. > :43:27.sure that these issues will be debated to and fro in the coming
:43:28. > :43:30.weeks. That is absolutely the whole point of the political and
:43:31. > :43:35.democratic system that we operate. How much is at stake here. As I said
:43:36. > :43:41.yesterday, how much I would encourage people to take part and
:43:42. > :43:45.vote at that election. Karen Smith. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The people of
:43:46. > :43:48.Northern Ireland are magnificent people and they have got used to
:43:49. > :43:52.living with a sense of peace over the last 18 years and they need hope
:43:53. > :43:55.now going forward. I have just listened to the Prime Minister's
:43:56. > :43:59.speak and she talked about making practical arrangements about the
:44:00. > :44:04.border, about making it a priority. Those are warm words in this context
:44:05. > :44:13.today. She has managed a phone call. She should be here. She should have
:44:14. > :44:15.been there. I've listened to the Secretary of State talk about his
:44:16. > :44:18.phone call and his activity over the last week and with due respect, I
:44:19. > :44:20.think it is wholly inadequate. The elections are about the future of
:44:21. > :44:23.Northern Ireland but they are actually about all our futures, on
:44:24. > :44:26.the island of Ireland and the island in which we live. What meetings will
:44:27. > :44:32.he be having with the Irish government with the Taoiseach? What
:44:33. > :44:38.will those conversations involving the next few weeks? What hope can he
:44:39. > :44:41.offer today to the people of Northern Ireland? As I have
:44:42. > :44:47.indicated, it is this government's clear intent and focus on seeing the
:44:48. > :44:50.return of devolved government in Northern Ireland. That is what I
:44:51. > :44:54.think is absolutely in the best interests of Northern Ireland. That
:44:55. > :44:59.is why I will be continuing to do all that I can to bring the
:45:00. > :45:03.political parties together because ultimately, that has been a part of
:45:04. > :45:08.the issues at stake here, in terms of some of that political division.
:45:09. > :45:11.But yes, of course, as I have indicated to the house today, we
:45:12. > :45:15.have had continued dialogue and discussion with the Irish government
:45:16. > :45:22.as well. We will continue to keep them closely informed. And as I have
:45:23. > :45:25.indicated to my right honourable friend, I intend to meet the Irish
:45:26. > :45:28.Foreign Minister very shortly to discuss the current position, how we
:45:29. > :45:33.can work together and ultimately, get the re-establishment of the form
:45:34. > :45:38.of government, that sense of the politics moving forward, and yes,
:45:39. > :45:41.how we should I think be positive about what we can achieve here. I'm
:45:42. > :45:45.certainly not going into this in a negative way. It is about how we can
:45:46. > :45:53.get on with this and make it happen. Sammy Wilson. The secretary of state
:45:54. > :46:00.has said today that he is committed to any action having cross community
:46:01. > :46:04.support in Northern Ireland. Since this crisis has been brought about
:46:05. > :46:11.by Sinn Fein's demand to have more security force personnel placed in
:46:12. > :46:15.the dock, taken to court and to have politically motivated inquests into
:46:16. > :46:21.deaths caused by the security forces, will he give a commitment
:46:22. > :46:26.today that there will be no money for inquests which are politically
:46:27. > :46:33.motivated, no releasing of security force files which have security --
:46:34. > :46:37.national security implications and that he will not persuade Sinn Fein
:46:38. > :46:42.to re-enter government at the expense of soldiers being dragged
:46:43. > :46:49.through the courts? On the issue of legacy, I think Stormont House,
:46:50. > :46:52.which all the parties signed up to, provided the right framework and way
:46:53. > :46:54.forward. I hold very keen responsibilities in relation to
:46:55. > :47:01.national security and I feel those very starkly in terms of the here
:47:02. > :47:04.and now of safety on the streets of Northern Ireland and what that means
:47:05. > :47:08.more broadly. I think it is important that we are able to find a
:47:09. > :47:13.way forward in relation to the whole issue of legacy. That it is more
:47:14. > :47:16.balanced, more proportionate, is able to see Northern Ireland looking
:47:17. > :47:20.to the future rather than looking to the past and I think it is that
:47:21. > :47:26.framework that we must be focused upon to be able to move things
:47:27. > :47:29.forward in that way. He will well know the issues that are set out
:47:30. > :47:35.there, the bodies that are set out their, the weighing gateman has
:47:36. > :47:38.taken place over many months. I believe there is a way forward in
:47:39. > :47:42.that but it is having the framework and intent and having the balance
:47:43. > :47:48.and proportionate approach that I continue to underline. Margaret
:47:49. > :47:54.Greenwood. What assessment has been made of the effect of the political
:47:55. > :47:57.instability on potential investment into Northern Ireland? I have
:47:58. > :48:04.certainly had some discussions with some business representatives. It is
:48:05. > :48:06.important that we get back into a stable devolved government at the
:48:07. > :48:10.earliest opportunity. Again, that is the most powerful way to underline
:48:11. > :48:14.Northern Ireland's moving forward and there is so much we can be
:48:15. > :48:17.positive about, the jobs that have been created, the foreign direct
:48:18. > :48:21.investment that has gone in and so many fantastic businesses in
:48:22. > :48:26.Northern Ireland. That is what we should be celebrating and it is that
:48:27. > :48:28.positive, optimistic viewpoint of what Northern Ireland's economies
:48:29. > :48:35.that we should be advancing and taking forward. Mr Speaker, after
:48:36. > :48:39.the assembly election in March agreement will need to be reached on
:48:40. > :48:45.a new power-sharing executive. However, if this doesn't happen,
:48:46. > :48:47.there is a very real possibility of returning to direct rule from
:48:48. > :48:51.Westminster. Does the secretary think it is acceptable for the
:48:52. > :48:58.people of Northern Ireland, who voted to remain in the European
:48:59. > :49:03.Union, to witness the triggering of article 50 while they live in total
:49:04. > :49:06.political limbo? It underlines my general point on the need to get
:49:07. > :49:10.back to devolved government at the earliest opportunity. But as I have
:49:11. > :49:14.indicated, we do intend to trigger Article 50 by no later than the end
:49:15. > :49:19.of March that is the approach we have taken. That is the work that
:49:20. > :49:22.continues and indeed, the way in which, as I have said, invitations
:49:23. > :49:24.will continue to be made to appropriate meetings to the
:49:25. > :49:30.executive, notwithstanding the current situation.
:49:31. > :49:38.Further to the comments made by my colleague from East Antrim, there
:49:39. > :49:42.are concerns within my constituency with the Government's eagerness to
:49:43. > :49:47.set up an Assembly immediately after the elections, that they could
:49:48. > :49:51.possibly contemplate some form of side deals with Republicans in order
:49:52. > :49:57.to get it up and running. Can I gently warm the Secretary of State
:49:58. > :50:01.that that will be an unacceptable situation to have? Well, I say to
:50:02. > :50:07.the honourable gentleman that there is a limited period under law in
:50:08. > :50:13.order to form a new executive. It is around three weeks following a poll.
:50:14. > :50:15.That's why I make the point about maintaining open dialogue, thinking
:50:16. > :50:20.about how we can bring parties together. It has to be that sense of
:50:21. > :50:24.commanding support from across community, which is why we do need
:50:25. > :50:27.to listen keenly and intently to the voices of his party and other
:50:28. > :50:32.parties in respect of this process ahead. But I do stress to him that
:50:33. > :50:37.need for dialogue and discussion and the need to focus on those
:50:38. > :50:41.principles in the Belfast agreement and its successors, those things
:50:42. > :50:45.that all parties have signed up to. I think that provides us with the
:50:46. > :50:51.framework, and that's what we need to get on and do. As we face the
:50:52. > :50:57.current phase of challenges, I think it is right that we should mourn the
:50:58. > :50:59.passing of Dermot Gallagher, former bullion of the department of foreign
:51:00. > :51:06.affairs and one of the linchpins for so much of this process come
:51:07. > :51:08.bringing us from transfixed to transactions to transformations. We
:51:09. > :51:15.need to emulate his purposeful ethic in the time ahead. Will the
:51:16. > :51:19.Secretary of State recognised that after the elections, there will be
:51:20. > :51:22.negotiations, and will he recognise that those negotiations will have to
:51:23. > :51:28.be more inclusive, Morecambe free hands of a more fundamental than
:51:29. > :51:32.what passed for negotiations in Stormont house? And the outcome will
:51:33. > :51:37.have to be more robust and reliable than what we got with the fresh hour
:51:38. > :51:43.agreement? I certainly pay tribute to Dermot Gallagher and obviously
:51:44. > :51:46.send my condolences to all his friends, family, all of those who
:51:47. > :51:52.remember him and the conjugation that he made. As I've indicated, I
:51:53. > :51:57.don't want to prejudge the outcome of this election, nor indeed
:51:58. > :52:01.discussions that take place. I earnestly want to see that through
:52:02. > :52:04.this election period, however possible that can be achieved. And
:52:05. > :52:09.equally in terms of discussions that take place there afterwards. But it
:52:10. > :52:15.has to be a position which creates that stability and sense of shared
:52:16. > :52:20.power arrangements, which allows Northern Ireland to move on from
:52:21. > :52:25.where we currently sit. That has to absolutely be our focus and
:52:26. > :52:28.intention and indeed why I make the points which I do about being
:52:29. > :52:31.thoughtful and conscious of the nature of the campaign itself, such
:52:32. > :52:37.that we are able to bring people back together afterwards. Mr
:52:38. > :52:40.Speaker, can the Secretary of State confirm that post-election, the
:52:41. > :52:46.framework of a devolved Assembly, of a shared executive, is the settled
:52:47. > :52:50.framework for moving forward? And that joint authority with the
:52:51. > :52:53.Republic of Ireland or wholesale renegotiation of the agreements that
:52:54. > :53:00.are already in place to not form part of his plan for moving forward?
:53:01. > :53:03.If he does not give expression to that certainty, further drift will
:53:04. > :53:08.occur, and we've got to net this in the bud now. I can confirm that that
:53:09. > :53:11.is absolutely my intent, that is absolutely the approach that I take
:53:12. > :53:15.to this. It's about getting through the election, about seeing the
:53:16. > :53:19.re-establishment of the executive, seeing the re-establishment of
:53:20. > :53:22.devolved government in the way that we have seen. And therefore whilst I
:53:23. > :53:29.hear order of the broader discussions and broader talk,
:53:30. > :53:31.actually that has to be where we focus, how we re-establish that
:53:32. > :53:35.trust and confidence in the institutions that we have, such that
:53:36. > :53:40.Northern Ireland is able to move forward. The Ulster Unionist Party
:53:41. > :53:48.want to see a strong and stable devolved government that works for
:53:49. > :53:52.everyone. But this crisis is about trust, relating to the two main
:53:53. > :53:55.parties in Northern Ireland. The Secretary of State has said that he
:53:56. > :54:00.is committed to the Belfast agreement and its successors. And
:54:01. > :54:03.yet this morning on the radio, we heard the DUP executive minister
:54:04. > :54:08.saying he had no intention to increment the St Andrews agreement
:54:09. > :54:12.in full. Surely this undermines all agreements, if you're not willing to
:54:13. > :54:15.tie yourself to what you've agreed? With the minister looked at the
:54:16. > :54:20.structures of the Belfast agreement and how we get back to the joint
:54:21. > :54:23.election of the first and Deputy First Minister? I did not hear the
:54:24. > :54:28.comments this morning when it's difficult for me to comment
:54:29. > :54:35.directly. For as I've indicated, the UK Government stands by its
:54:36. > :54:38.commitments under the Belfast agreement. I think it is how we are
:54:39. > :54:45.able to use the time ahead to look at ways in which we can, which gaps
:54:46. > :54:56.and in which we can see devolved power-sharing arrangements put in
:54:57. > :55:01.place at the earliest opportunity. With the Secretary of State agree
:55:02. > :55:06.with me that in the past months and years, the way in which problems
:55:07. > :55:07.have been resolved is when all parties dedicated themselves to
:55:08. > :55:13.working through those problems? Yesterday we had a Sinn Fein Deputy
:55:14. > :55:16.First Minister refusing to be re-elected, and even after the
:55:17. > :55:20.election, indicating that they will not nominate then. Walking away is
:55:21. > :55:24.not the solution, working through the problem is most certainly is. I
:55:25. > :55:28.think we can look to Northern Ireland's past, where division has
:55:29. > :55:32.existed and some people have said that it's not possible to breach
:55:33. > :55:36.that. And yet Northern Ireland has shown what can be done. And I think
:55:37. > :55:39.we need to reflect on Northern Ireland's past, the political
:55:40. > :55:44.achievements that have been reached and the strengths of dialogue, of
:55:45. > :55:52.discussion, of bringing people together in that way as we look to
:55:53. > :55:58.the future. I hope that we will see that return of devolved Vermont.
:55:59. > :56:03.Thank you, Mr Speaker. -- devolved government. Belfast politicians
:56:04. > :56:08.begin a leak quote the dogs on the street, but if they were to
:56:09. > :56:11.summarise their position on this, it would be barking mad. This is not
:56:12. > :56:15.the time, Secretary of State, for you to be a bystander in these
:56:16. > :56:18.discussions. Or to fail to recognise what the Prime Minister last week
:56:19. > :56:24.recognised, that no-one can or should benefit from their
:56:25. > :56:27.instability, and for wrecking the progress of the political
:56:28. > :56:32.institutions that we have fought so hard to attain for Northern Ireland.
:56:33. > :56:37.I say to the honourable gentleman that I do not and will not be a
:56:38. > :56:42.bystander in relation to these issues. It is important that the UK
:56:43. > :56:46.Government plays its role in supporting the parties, in
:56:47. > :56:52.fulfilling our obligations in relation to providing political
:56:53. > :56:55.stability in Northern Ireland. That is what we will use the time ahead
:56:56. > :57:01.to achieve. Because the issues at stake are significant. The issues in
:57:02. > :57:05.relation to the political future of Northern Ireland are very, very
:57:06. > :57:08.clear. That's why I make the points that I do about the collective
:57:09. > :57:14.response River Tees that we all hold and all feel in being able to take
:57:15. > :57:16.this forward and get back to that positive outlook for Northern
:57:17. > :57:27.Ireland. -- collective responsibilities. Mr Speaker, the
:57:28. > :57:30.Secretary of State stated that with strong leadership, issues which
:57:31. > :57:33.might once have brought their own institutions could be resolved
:57:34. > :57:37.through dialogue. Could he therefore assure the House that the Prime
:57:38. > :57:42.Minister will give that strong leadership, and as the vice-chair of
:57:43. > :57:47.the all-party group on Ireland, I echo the sentiment of my honourable
:57:48. > :57:50.friend the member for St Helens come in calling the Prime Minister to put
:57:51. > :57:58.foot to the pedal and get that 100% support. I can underline to the
:57:59. > :58:02.honourable gentleman the commitment that the Prime Minister gets to
:58:03. > :58:06.these issues. The way in which she has been kept very closely informed
:58:07. > :58:10.and updated, the discussions that she has had with the former First
:58:11. > :58:15.Minister and Deputy First Minister. And indeed, the discussion that she
:58:16. > :58:18.had with the Taoiseach. We are committed as a government to seeing
:58:19. > :58:21.the return of devolved government, to seeing a positive outcome after
:58:22. > :58:25.these elections take place. That is what the people of Northern Ireland
:58:26. > :58:29.want to see and what we all have that shared and collective drive to
:58:30. > :58:40.achieve, and we all need to be focused on achieving. Point of order
:58:41. > :58:46.which relates I gather to the immediate next business. Thank you,
:58:47. > :58:49.Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, in our constitution, Parliament and sure
:58:50. > :58:53.you will agree is supposed to be sovereign. We need a system which
:58:54. > :58:56.gives Parliament hours over ministers and restores public trust.
:58:57. > :59:00.Not my words but the use of the now Prime Minister in 2007. I will be
:59:01. > :59:07.scrutinising a minister shortly on the applications of Brexit for Wales
:59:08. > :59:10.- but you share my concern that one of the most fundamental issues
:59:11. > :59:13.facing this country in a generation, the Prime Minister chose not to
:59:14. > :59:17.speak to this this morning but to the media and foreign ambassadors?
:59:18. > :59:23.Churchill would not have done it, a little bit would not have done it,
:59:24. > :59:27.but when it comes to this House, Mr Speaker, this lady is not for
:59:28. > :59:32.turning up! I am grateful to the honourable gentleman for his point
:59:33. > :59:35.of order. I have not got all of the Presidents in front of me but I
:59:36. > :59:41.think there has been a developing phenomenon in recent decades whereby
:59:42. > :59:43.under successive governments, important statements have sometimes
:59:44. > :59:50.been made outside the House, which would have welcomed being made first
:59:51. > :59:54.inside the House. I am pragmatic in these matters, and what I would say
:59:55. > :00:00.to the honourable gentleman and two others who might share his concern
:00:01. > :00:06.is, I heard of the Prime Minister's important speech today, and my first
:00:07. > :00:10.concern was that a senior member of the government should come to the
:00:11. > :00:15.House on the same day to address us on the same matter. And I had
:00:16. > :00:20.contact with the powers that be to make precisely that point. I am
:00:21. > :00:29.pleased to say that we do have in our midst and indeed in my line of
:00:30. > :00:33.vision the Secretary of State for Exiting The European Union, whom I
:00:34. > :00:36.imagine the honourable gentleman will wish to interrogate in due
:00:37. > :00:44.course. Meanwhile, let's hear from the Secretary of State. I will say
:00:45. > :00:48.to the honourable gentleman who has just spoken that I have spent many
:00:49. > :00:56.years sitting on those benches, hoping... We did not have the
:00:57. > :01:00.opportunity at all to interrogate Mr Tony Blair after he had been on the
:01:01. > :01:04.radio and television! But today is a Parliamentary day and I wish to
:01:05. > :01:09.share with Parliament what I think are some important points. I would
:01:10. > :01:13.like to the House on the Government's plans for exiting the
:01:14. > :01:18.European Union. Today, the Prime Minister is setting up a plan for
:01:19. > :01:21.Britain. It is a plan to ensure that we embrace this moment of change to
:01:22. > :01:26.build a confident global trading nation that seizes the new
:01:27. > :01:29.opportunities before it and a fairer, stronger society at home and
:01:30. > :01:36.bracing bold economic and social reform. It is a plan which
:01:37. > :01:40.recognises that the referendum vote was not one to pull up tall, which
:01:41. > :01:45.is and retreat from the world, but rather a vote of confidence in the
:01:46. > :01:49.UK's ability to succeed. It is a plan to build a strong new
:01:50. > :01:52.partnership with our European partners while reaching beyond the
:01:53. > :01:59.borders of Europe to forge deeper links with old allies and new ones.
:02:00. > :02:02.Today, we set out 12 objectives in the negotiation to come. They answer
:02:03. > :02:07.the questions of those who have been asking what we intend while not
:02:08. > :02:11.undermining the UK's negotiating position. We are clear what we seek
:02:12. > :02:17.is that new partnership, not a partial EU membership, not a model
:02:18. > :02:21.adopted by other countries, not a position which means we're half in
:02:22. > :02:27.and half-hour. Let me address of our aims in turn. First, we will provide
:02:28. > :02:33.certainty wherever possible, while recognising we are about to enter a
:02:34. > :02:35.two sided negotiation. We have already made announcements about
:02:36. > :02:42.agriculture payments and student funding. Our proposal regarding EU
:02:43. > :02:47.law and UK law is designed to make the process as smooth as possible.
:02:48. > :02:51.At the point of exit, the same rules and laws will apply, and it will
:02:52. > :02:56.then be for this Parliament to determine changes in the country's
:02:57. > :03:00.interests. For we also intend to take control of our own laws and end
:03:01. > :03:05.the authority of the European Court of Justice in the UK. Laws have been
:03:06. > :03:09.made in this Parliament and in the devolved assemblies and interpreted
:03:10. > :03:17.by our judges, not those in Luxembourg. -- laws will be made. We
:03:18. > :03:19.will continue to engage with the devolved administrations and ensure
:03:20. > :03:24.that as powers our return from Brussels to the UK, the right powers
:03:25. > :03:30.come to Westminster and the right powers are passed to Edinburgh,
:03:31. > :03:32.Cardiff and Belfast. Another key objective will be to maintain the
:03:33. > :03:36.Common travel area between the UK and the Republic of Ireland. No-one
:03:37. > :03:42.wants to see a return to the borders of the past. In terms of
:03:43. > :03:48.immigration, we will remain an open, tolerant nation. We will continue to
:03:49. > :03:50.welcome the brightest and the best and ensure that immigration continue
:03:51. > :03:56.to bring benefits in terms of addressing skill shortages where
:03:57. > :04:02.they exist. But we will manage our immigration system properly, which
:04:03. > :04:06.means free movement from the European Union cannot continue as
:04:07. > :04:10.before. We want to guarantee the rights of European Union citizens
:04:11. > :04:14.who are already in this country and make such a great contribution to
:04:15. > :04:16.our society already, and in tandem with that protect the rights of UK
:04:17. > :04:25.citizens in EU countries. Would like to resolve this issue at
:04:26. > :04:32.the early possible moment. -- earlier. Already UK law goes further
:04:33. > :04:35.than EU minimums in many areas but as we shift the UK law, we will
:04:36. > :04:41.ensure that workers' rights are not just protected but enhanced. In
:04:42. > :04:45.terms of trade, we want to build a more open, outward looking,
:04:46. > :04:52.confident nation that is a global champion for free trade. Membership
:04:53. > :04:56.of the EU's internal market means accepting its four freedoms, in
:04:57. > :05:00.terms of the movement of goods, services, capital and people, and
:05:01. > :05:03.complying with the EU's rules and regulations. That would effectively
:05:04. > :05:10.mean not leaving the European Union at all. So we do not propose to
:05:11. > :05:15.maintain membership of the EU single market. Instead, we will seek the
:05:16. > :05:20.broadest possible access to it through a comprehensive free trade
:05:21. > :05:26.agreement with the EU. We want it to cover goods and services and be as
:05:27. > :05:30.ambitious as possible. This is not a zero-sum game. It should be in the
:05:31. > :05:37.interests of both the UK and the European Union. It is in all our
:05:38. > :05:40.interests, that financial services continue to be provided freely
:05:41. > :05:44.across borders, that integrated supply chains are not disrupted and
:05:45. > :05:49.that trade continues in as barrier free away as is possible. While we
:05:50. > :05:52.will seek the most open and possible market in the European Union, we
:05:53. > :05:56.also want to further trade links with the rest of the world. So we
:05:57. > :06:00.will deliver the freedom of the UK to strike trade agreements with
:06:01. > :06:02.other countries. The Department for International trade has already
:06:03. > :06:06.started to prepare the ground and it is clear there is enormous interest
:06:07. > :06:14.around the globe in forging new links to the UK. Full membership of
:06:15. > :06:17.the EU's Customs union would prohibit new international trade
:06:18. > :06:22.deals so we do not intend to remain part of the common commercial policy
:06:23. > :06:28.ought to be bound by the common external tariff. Instead, we will
:06:29. > :06:31.seek a customs agreement with the European Union with the aim of
:06:32. > :06:36.ensuring that cross-border trade remains as barrier free as possible.
:06:37. > :06:42.Clearly, how this is achieved is a matter for negotiation. The UK is
:06:43. > :06:45.one of the best places in the world for science and innovation, with
:06:46. > :06:49.some of the best universities in the world. So we must continue to
:06:50. > :06:54.collaborate with our European allies. When it comes to crime,
:06:55. > :06:57.terrorism, security, we will aim to further cooperation with EU
:06:58. > :07:01.countries. We will seek practical arrangements in these areas to
:07:02. > :07:06.ensure we keep our continent secure and defend our shared values.
:07:07. > :07:11.Finally in terms of our exit, we have said repeatedly that it would
:07:12. > :07:14.be no one's interest for it to be disorderly, with any sort of cliff
:07:15. > :07:18.edge, the word used over there, as we leave the European Union. So we
:07:19. > :07:22.intend to reach broad agreement about the terms of our new
:07:23. > :07:26.partnership with the EU by the end of the two-year negotiation
:07:27. > :07:29.triggered by Article 50. But then we will aim to deliver an orderly
:07:30. > :07:33.process of implementation. That does not mean an unlimited transitional
:07:34. > :07:38.period where the destination is not clear but time for both the UK and
:07:39. > :07:42.EU member states to prepare for new arrangements whether it is in terms
:07:43. > :07:44.of customs arrangements, regulation of financial services, cooperation
:07:45. > :07:49.over criminal justice and immigration controls. These are the
:07:50. > :07:54.aims and objectives we set today for negotiations to come. So our
:07:55. > :07:57.objectives are clear, to deliver certainty and clarity wherever we
:07:58. > :08:01.can, to take control of our own laws, to protect and strengthen the
:08:02. > :08:06.union, to maintain the Common travel area with the Republic of Ireland,
:08:07. > :08:09.to control immigration, to protect the rights of EU nationals in the UK
:08:10. > :08:14.and UK nationals in the EU, to protect workers' rights, to allow
:08:15. > :08:18.free trade with European markets, to forge new trade deals with other
:08:19. > :08:22.countries, to boost science and innovation, to protect and enhance
:08:23. > :08:27.cooperation over crime, terrorism and security and to make our exit
:08:28. > :08:30.smooth and orderly. It is the outline of an ambitious new
:08:31. > :08:34.partnership between the UK and the countries of the European Union. We
:08:35. > :08:38.are under no illusions, agreeing terms that work for both the UK and
:08:39. > :08:42.the 27 nations of the European Union will be challenging and no doubt,
:08:43. > :08:48.there will be bumps on the road once talks begin. We must embark on a
:08:49. > :08:55.negotiation clear, however, that no deal is better than a bad deal. As
:08:56. > :09:00.the Prime Minister made clear today, the UK could not accept a punitive
:09:01. > :09:05.approach. So let me be clear, we do not expect this outcome. We are
:09:06. > :09:09.confident that if we approach these talks in the spirit of goodwill, we
:09:10. > :09:14.can deliver a positive deal which works to the mutual benefit of all.
:09:15. > :09:18.It is absolutely in our interests that the EU succeeds and in the EU's
:09:19. > :09:25.interest interests that we succeed, too. We do not want the European
:09:26. > :09:28.Union to fail. We wanted to prosper politically and economically. We
:09:29. > :09:33.will seek to convince our eyes that a strong new partnership with the UK
:09:34. > :09:36.will help them to do so. -- our allies. Our approach is not about
:09:37. > :09:41.cherry picking but reaching a deal which fits the aims of both sides.
:09:42. > :09:45.We understand the EU wants to preserve its four freedoms and chart
:09:46. > :09:50.its own course. That is not a project UK will now be apart of. And
:09:51. > :09:54.so we will leave the single market and the institutions of the European
:09:55. > :09:58.Union. We will make our own laws and decisions about immigration. And let
:09:59. > :10:03.me be crystal clear today, if there was any doubt, the final deal agreed
:10:04. > :10:09.between the UK and EU will be put to a vote in both Houses of Parliament
:10:10. > :10:12.before it takes effect. To conclude, we are leaving the European Union
:10:13. > :10:18.but we're leaving Europe. We will continue to be reliant on partners,
:10:19. > :10:22.willing allies and close friends to European neighbours. -- we are not
:10:23. > :10:25.leaving Europe. We anticipate success, not failure but we are
:10:26. > :10:28.ready for any outcome. The UK will embrace its new place in the world
:10:29. > :10:35.with optimism, strength and confidence. Thank you Mr Speaker.
:10:36. > :10:38.Sur Keir Starmer. Thank you Mr Speaker, and can I thank the
:10:39. > :10:41.secretary of state for giving me an advanced copy of this statement? Mr
:10:42. > :10:46.Speaker, the Prime Minister's speech which she has just given is the most
:10:47. > :10:49.important one she has made, it is about the future of our relationship
:10:50. > :10:56.with the EU and our position in the world. The place for such a speech
:10:57. > :11:01.is here. At this dispatch box. That is not just a convention. That is so
:11:02. > :11:04.that MPs across this house can ask the Prime Minister directly on
:11:05. > :11:11.behalf of their constituents about the plans she has for their future.
:11:12. > :11:15.There are many questions. For many months, the Labour Party has been
:11:16. > :11:19.demanding fullest possible access to the single market, emphasising the
:11:20. > :11:23.risks of leaving the customs union, arguing for a collaborative
:11:24. > :11:26.relationship with our EU partners, emphasising the need for
:11:27. > :11:31.transitional arrangements, and the need for entrenchment of workers'
:11:32. > :11:35.rights. Today, the Prime Minister has rightly accepted these in her
:11:36. > :11:39.plan and I acknowledge that. She has given little detail about how that
:11:40. > :11:47.is to be achieved and there are some unanswered questions and some big
:11:48. > :11:57.gaps. It is, in truth, a half in, half out plan. She has not... Let me
:11:58. > :12:00.give an example. The Prime Minister says that she doesn't want the
:12:01. > :12:03.jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. But she wants a
:12:04. > :12:08.comprehensive trade agreement. Sooner or later, she and others will
:12:09. > :12:13.have to face the fact that any such agreement will have a dispute
:12:14. > :12:20.resolution clause and that will have to be independent of this country.
:12:21. > :12:25.It will not be by reason and resolution in the High Court in
:12:26. > :12:34.London, according to English law. So there will have to be, as she has
:12:35. > :12:37.avoided fronting up to some of these essential questions. But if the
:12:38. > :12:43.Prime Minister achieves all she has set out to achieve, she will fall
:12:44. > :12:49.short of hard Brexit, that many in business and trade unions have
:12:50. > :12:56.feared, the Brexit of no deal, their trade agreements, out of any customs
:12:57. > :13:00.union and at arms length with our EU relations. -- their trade
:13:01. > :13:04.agreements. It is good she has ruled out hard Brexit at this stage. But
:13:05. > :13:09.as the Prime Minister knows, setting out ambitions is the easy bit.
:13:10. > :13:12.Delivery is more difficult, much more difficult. The Prime Minister
:13:13. > :13:15.has taken the precarious course of taking the UK out of single market
:13:16. > :13:21.membership and changing the customs arrangements. This will cause
:13:22. > :13:23.concern to businesses, as the secretary of state knows, and to
:13:24. > :13:28.trade unions and the Prime Minister should have been more ambitious. But
:13:29. > :13:32.I accept that form follows function. So let me set out in terms what
:13:33. > :13:37.Labour will hold the Prime Minister to account for, as far as trade is
:13:38. > :13:44.concerned. Tariff free access to the single market. Access to the single
:13:45. > :13:47.market unencumbered by impediment, and I paused there, this is what was
:13:48. > :13:52.in the exchange of letters with Nissan, it is what all businesses
:13:53. > :13:57.want, and all trade unions want for those dealing in goods and services.
:13:58. > :14:02.Alignment of regulatory bodies to avoid dual bureaucracy or worse,
:14:03. > :14:07.diverted. And a deal that works for goods and services. That is the test
:14:08. > :14:11.we set out today. It is the test we will return to throughout the
:14:12. > :14:18.negotiations and it is the test to be applied when the deal is reached.
:14:19. > :14:22.And that is why the concession on a vote at the end of the negotiations
:14:23. > :14:26.is significant. We have been demanding that for months. It has
:14:27. > :14:29.not been given before today. It is significant because it means that we
:14:30. > :14:34.can ensure that those tests are met throughout the process and at the
:14:35. > :14:39.end of the process. The sting in the tail in the plan this morning if the
:14:40. > :14:43.threat to destroy the economic model which has been in place for many
:14:44. > :14:49.decades if the ambition is not reached. This is a very serious
:14:50. > :14:54.threat. That model, a shared model, about which there has been consensus
:14:55. > :14:57.for decades across this house, is designed to share prosperity,
:14:58. > :15:02.protect workers' rights, and improve living standards. There is no
:15:03. > :15:09.mandate for reckless disregard of that model and of so much that this
:15:10. > :15:16.country stands for. The Prime Minister described that model,
:15:17. > :15:22.resorting to that model, as an act that would be one of self harm for
:15:23. > :15:27.the EU. It would, Mr Speaker, be an act of huge self harm for the UK to
:15:28. > :15:33.abandon the economic model that we have had in place for so many years.
:15:34. > :15:39.It is also totally inconsistent, totally inconsistent with any
:15:40. > :15:45.meaningful commitment to workers' rights and a fairer society. So that
:15:46. > :15:49.sting in the tail, that threat undermines the ambition is a plan
:15:50. > :15:53.that I recognise. Let me touch on wider issues. The UK and EU have
:15:54. > :15:56.usually benefited from our collaborative work in the field of
:15:57. > :16:00.criminal Justice, anti-terrorism, research, medicine, science,
:16:01. > :16:04.technology, arts and culture and much else. We should be seeking to
:16:05. > :16:09.preserve that collaboration, not destroy it. Yet the Prime Minister
:16:10. > :16:13.said today, and I quote, "We do not seek to hold onto bits of membership
:16:14. > :16:26.as we leave". Let me give some examples of the bits she should seek
:16:27. > :16:29.to retain... Order. No, the honourable gentleman is a learning
:16:30. > :16:34.and celebrated and cerebrally individual. I don't want to
:16:35. > :16:38.interrupt him but the convention is that the reply is normally half the
:16:39. > :16:41.length of the statement so I can indulge the honourable gentleman
:16:42. > :16:44.modestly. There normally a bit of attitude but I was concerned when he
:16:45. > :16:52.had some, particularly as he is a lawyer! Mr Speaker, without details,
:16:53. > :16:55.the European Aviation Safety Agency which deals with safety, the
:16:56. > :16:58.European medicines agency and of course, Europol, which I worked with
:16:59. > :17:02.for many years. These are the bits of the EU we should be seeking to
:17:03. > :17:09.retain and not to throw away. Mr Speaker, I end by saying this. It
:17:10. > :17:12.was the previous Prime Minister who got us to this place without any
:17:13. > :17:19.forethought or planning. This Prime Minister has now chosen a risk
:17:20. > :17:25.implementation plan. She owns the consequences now. She owns them in
:17:26. > :17:31.2019 and beyond that. Thank you. The secretary of state. When we started
:17:32. > :17:37.down this route, I said to the house that the government have been given
:17:38. > :17:41.a national instruction which we would attempt to interpret in the
:17:42. > :17:47.national interest. It seemed to me that was the right approach to this,
:17:48. > :17:52.not a 52-48 approach but one that encompassed the interests of
:17:53. > :17:57.everybody. And I hope today that we had done that today. I mean in terms
:17:58. > :18:01.of the honourable gentleman's, and he's a very talented man, his
:18:02. > :18:04.questions were Azarenka as you'd expect, asking us about membership
:18:05. > :18:08.of the single market and we answer that. We laid out the claims of a
:18:09. > :18:12.customs union, another of his questions. He asked for detailed to
:18:13. > :18:17.scrutinise the plans and we will give it. In the context of not
:18:18. > :18:22.undermining our negotiation, that is entirely what we have tried to do. I
:18:23. > :18:27.had hoped that we would see support from some members of the benches
:18:28. > :18:31.opposite for what we think is a responsible, thoughtful, but
:18:32. > :18:36.realistic plan that takes on board the instructions we have been given
:18:37. > :18:40.by the British people. -- people, to take us out of the European Union
:18:41. > :18:43.but in a way which preserve that interest as best we can, whether
:18:44. > :18:47.they are security, economic interests or whatever. Let me deal
:18:48. > :18:52.with all the specific points he raised. I will put aside my
:18:53. > :18:55.disappointment at tone. He says a free trade arrangement will have do
:18:56. > :18:59.have a dispute resolution procedure. So it will cover they nearly all do
:19:00. > :19:04.but it does not have to be the European court of justice. We can
:19:05. > :19:11.agree but he has got the thrust of it wrong. As for other things,
:19:12. > :19:13.tariff free, I agree, impediment free, I agree, alignment regulation
:19:14. > :19:17.May be necessary in some aspects and we will see at the negotiating
:19:18. > :19:22.developments. -- develops. On goods and services, I agree. He's not
:19:23. > :19:30.putting up any hurdle but frankly we don't intend to cross ourselves.
:19:31. > :19:33.This question of threats, it is not a threat, this was the Chancellor,
:19:34. > :19:36.in response to an interview, saying, if you go down the route of a
:19:37. > :19:40.punitive approach, this is the consequence, what will happen.
:19:41. > :19:43.Nations defend themselves. No one says what we want to do, it is
:19:44. > :19:47.specifically what we don't want to do. We want the freest possible
:19:48. > :19:49.relationship, the most friendly possible we can get and that is what
:19:50. > :20:20.we will set out to do. You can take it as read that all the
:20:21. > :20:24.issues he raised, we will be addressing over time in this House
:20:25. > :20:29.and most particularly we'll be addressing in the negotiating
:20:30. > :20:36.chamber with the Europeans. I think that they'll have as much interest
:20:37. > :20:42.as we do. That is what the negotiation is predicated upon. We
:20:43. > :20:49.are going to do what is in the interests of everyone, ourselves, if
:20:50. > :20:53.Europeans and owl our neighbours in part of globe -- and our neighbours
:20:54. > :21:01.and our part of the globe. That's what we intend to do.
:21:02. > :21:06.I'm sure we'll acknowledge the Prime Minister's speech, it's principled,
:21:07. > :21:10.reasonable and statesmanlike. Does he agree that, in relation to
:21:11. > :21:16.what the 27 member states, heads of Government said, only a few weeks
:21:17. > :21:20.ago, the last counsel sum commitment, that there would be no
:21:21. > :21:25.access to the single market unless we accepted all the four freedoms --
:21:26. > :21:27.summit. That this does represent a difficulty. Does he accept therefore
:21:28. > :21:32.that it's essential that we clear that with the other member states on
:21:33. > :21:36.the basis of principle, reasonableness and statesmanship?
:21:37. > :21:43.I have tried throughout the six months so far not to respond to
:21:44. > :21:49.sometimes the emotional comments we've heard from various people
:21:50. > :21:54.around the continent. I'm sort of slightly surprised in him, however.
:21:55. > :21:57.He of all people would pull me up if I confused access to single market
:21:58. > :22:00.with membership of single market. Pretty much every country in the
:22:01. > :22:04.world that's not subject to sanctions has access to the single
:22:05. > :22:08.market. We will have access to the single market. The question that
:22:09. > :22:13.this is about is the terms. My job, and the job frankly of everybody,
:22:14. > :22:17.including the opposition, is to persuade our opposite numbers in
:22:18. > :22:20.Europe that it's in their their interests too that we all have
:22:21. > :22:31.access to each other's markets. That's what I intend to do.
:22:32. > :22:38.Thank you Mr Speaker. I thank the secretary for advance sight of the
:22:39. > :22:42.statement. We have seen the Prime Minister and the Secretary of State
:22:43. > :22:45.today complete an un-Holy Trinity of Westminster promises to people of
:22:46. > :22:50.Scotland. They promised to take account of the 62% remain vote in
:22:51. > :22:53.Scotland. And to consider all options for Scotland's future.
:22:54. > :22:58.They've broken that promise today. They promised during the referendum
:22:59. > :23:01.and in the election manifesto that leaving the EU doesn't mean we have
:23:02. > :23:06.to leave the single market. Today they are making that promise. As for
:23:07. > :23:09.the promise in 2014 remaining in the United Kingdom guaranteed Scotland's
:23:10. > :23:13.place in Europe, we all know where that's gone. I have to say to the
:23:14. > :23:17.Secretary of State, I hope he'll pass the message back to his boss
:23:18. > :23:24.that if she insists on giving Scotland only one option to remain,
:23:25. > :23:28.Scotland will take that option. We do have certainty, we know with
:23:29. > :23:34.certainty that Brexit means hard Tory Brexit. Can I ask the Secretary
:23:35. > :23:37.of State, even at this late stage, to accept that the promises that he
:23:38. > :23:43.and the Prime Minister have made must be honoured. Will he tell the
:23:44. > :23:49.House how he proposes to recognise the 62% Remain vote in Scotland and
:23:50. > :23:54.the overwhelming unanimous view in Scotland that our free movement of
:23:55. > :23:57.people is essential for our well-being. Can he tell the House if
:23:58. > :24:02.he's read the Scottish Government paper on Scotland's place in Europe
:24:03. > :24:07.and give than he's nodding, will he undertake this paper will be
:24:08. > :24:13.properly and thoroughly discussed at the joint ministerial council next
:24:14. > :24:16.week. Will he undertake, that before any non-returnable steps are taken,
:24:17. > :24:21.that Members of Parliament of all devolved nations will be given a
:24:22. > :24:25.chance, even on an advisory basis to consider the Government's plans,
:24:26. > :24:30.even before they are implemented. I thank the honourable gentleman for
:24:31. > :24:34.his question. It's been my privilege to chair the joint ministerial
:24:35. > :24:38.committee on European negotiations on which Mike Russell broadly
:24:39. > :24:46.represents the Scottish Government's position. I gave him an undertaking
:24:47. > :24:49.that we'd debate that paper at the next JMCEN, as it's known in
:24:50. > :24:53.Whitehall jargon. That's what we'll do. One of the things I've been very
:24:54. > :24:56.careful not to do is comment publicly on it because I said we
:24:57. > :25:01.want to give it the most open debate possible. There are parts of it I
:25:02. > :25:07.disagree with and parts I agree with. On the question of protection
:25:08. > :25:10.of workers' rights or maintenance of our terrific universities, I'm
:25:11. > :25:17.entirely on the side of the paper. On areas of devolution, Mr Russell
:25:18. > :25:20.may be surprised on how pro-devolution I am. There'll be
:25:21. > :25:24.nothing taken away and we'll have to decide what passes to them from the
:25:25. > :25:28.European Union. That will be a rational debate, based around the
:25:29. > :25:34.interests of the UK and Scotland. So he must take it as read I think
:25:35. > :25:39.that we will take very, very seriously the idea that we do not
:25:40. > :25:42.allow any part of the United Kingdom, any nation, Scotland,
:25:43. > :25:46.Wales, Northern Ireland, England, to lose out by this process. We are
:25:47. > :25:51.determined of that. THE SPEAKER: Anna Soubry? Thank you
:25:52. > :25:55.very much. I'll continue to come pain for membership of the single
:25:56. > :25:58.market and to make the positive case for immigration because I believe in
:25:59. > :26:09.the free movement of the people from the European Union. But can I make
:26:10. > :26:14.it very clear that I welcome the - I nearly said Her Majesty - the Prime
:26:15. > :26:20.Minister's speech and the statement made by my right honourable friend.
:26:21. > :26:27.I think it's realistic. It's much-needed clarity. I think the
:26:28. > :26:31.tone is to be hugely welcomed. It marks in that tone, a genuine
:26:32. > :26:37.desire, to bring about a consensus to reunite our country. So, in that
:26:38. > :26:42.spirit, would my right honourable friend commit, please, to putting
:26:43. > :26:47.those 12 objectives, this is not unreasonable, Mr Speaker, into a
:26:48. > :26:52.White Paper, bringing it into this House so that we can finally,
:26:53. > :26:56.because we haven't, and many others feel that Parliament's been
:26:57. > :26:59.deliberately procluded from this, that we can debate the single
:27:00. > :27:04.market, the customs union and free movement of people. I'll say first
:27:05. > :27:11.to my right honourable friend about her slip of the tongue, I often make
:27:12. > :27:23.the same mistake. Probably why I am where I am!
:27:24. > :27:26.As for her request to the you believe stance of this, I've tried
:27:27. > :27:31.today and the Prime Minister's tried today to answer all the questions we
:27:32. > :27:37.are able to answer without undermining the negotiation. But in
:27:38. > :27:40.terms of debates in the House, I can see in this chamber entirely a part
:27:41. > :27:45.for debating the very thing she talked about. So that's why I'll
:27:46. > :27:49.seek to get. THE SPEAKER: Ed Miliband. Thank you,
:27:50. > :27:52.Mr Speaker. The Secretary of State and the Prime Minister have both
:27:53. > :27:55.more or less admitted today what's been obvious for months, that it
:27:56. > :28:00.will take more than two years to have a trade deal with the EU ready
:28:01. > :28:04.to go. But there then follows a crucial question for many, many
:28:05. > :28:07.businesses up and down this country which is what the arrangements will
:28:08. > :28:11.be when we leave the EU and that trade deal is not yet completed. But
:28:12. > :28:14.listening to the Secretary of State today and indeed reading the Prime
:28:15. > :28:18.Minister's speech, we are not the wiser what that will be. Can the
:28:19. > :28:27.Secretary of State now enlighten us on this crucial point which matters
:28:28. > :28:32.to families and businesses hugely. I'll correct one or two things what
:28:33. > :28:38.he got wrong. He's wrong to interpret what I said as any
:28:39. > :28:43.suggestion that we'll not be able to negotiate this outcome in the
:28:44. > :28:47.timetable in front of us. The issue I said was that we'd look at
:28:48. > :28:52.implementation issues because I may well take time and I cited the
:28:53. > :28:55.borders and customs and various other aspects which might take time
:28:56. > :29:02.to take effect. It will be in the joint interests of the European
:29:03. > :29:08.Union and ourselves to put that in place. More widely, I cannot think
:29:09. > :29:12.how I could have been clearer. I've answered every single question with
:29:13. > :29:17.one exception that his spokesman of the party put to us. I've tried to
:29:18. > :29:20.answer as many as I can of the ones the Select Committee put to us. We
:29:21. > :29:24.have been very clear. I don't think out there anybody will believe the
:29:25. > :29:27.Labour Party now when they say we don't know what the negotiating
:29:28. > :29:34.strategy is. It's as plain as a pike staff and he should recognise that.
:29:35. > :29:38.The Prime Minister's given clarity, we are leaving the single market and
:29:39. > :29:43.customs union. Further to the point that's just been asked, in the
:29:44. > :29:48.implementation phase of the Prime Minister's proposal after article
:29:49. > :29:52.50, that period of adjustment to a deal, will all of the detailed terms
:29:53. > :29:57.already have been finalised or, is the period during which the details
:29:58. > :30:05.of the so-called bold and ambitious deal, as she put it, to be still
:30:06. > :30:09.worked out during the phase? My right honourable friend wrote a very
:30:10. > :30:14.wise paper which I referred to previously in a previous exchange
:30:15. > :30:17.here and he'd recognise that the negotiating balance changes at the
:30:18. > :30:21.end of the two-year period, so it's very, very important that we
:30:22. > :30:26.conclude the deal by then. The implementation is a different
:30:27. > :30:30.matter, it may take time and it does take time and we can't control
:30:31. > :30:33.whether we say putting in place a new customs arrangement or whatever
:30:34. > :30:37.it may be. It's the practicalities of it and that's what will drive it.
:30:38. > :30:41.Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. While the Prime Minister's made
:30:42. > :30:44.things clearer today and I welcome in particular the commitment that
:30:45. > :30:48.Parliament will have a vote on the final deal and that the Government
:30:49. > :30:51.will seek transitional arrangements, both things the Select Committee
:30:52. > :30:56.called for in its first report, there is one big issue where there
:30:57. > :31:04.is still uncertainty for businesses and that is the continuation of
:31:05. > :31:06.tariff free and barrier free trade. Now, given the Government's
:31:07. > :31:11.unequivocal commitment today to that goal, can the Secretary of State
:31:12. > :31:17.tell the House that if remaining in the customs turns out to be the only
:31:18. > :31:23.way of assuring that that is what we'll get what we asked for, can you
:31:24. > :31:26.ensure that's what we'll do to honour that commitment to
:31:27. > :31:28.businesses? Zbloo we'll abide by the instruction given to it by the
:31:29. > :31:34.British people and the instruction was to leave the European Union.
:31:35. > :31:37.I'm afraid that is inconsistent with membership of the market. What we
:31:38. > :31:43.have said in terms, is that we intend to deliver the very thing
:31:44. > :31:48.that he says British business is uncertain about. That is tariff free
:31:49. > :31:54.and barrier free access to the European market.
:31:55. > :31:57.Can I welcome the contribution to increased clarity that the Prime
:31:58. > :32:02.Minister's brought to the EU debate today. I just hope that the 27
:32:03. > :32:06.remaining countries in the EU will take this opportunity to embrace the
:32:07. > :32:09.positive spirit in which this plan's been put forward. But the Prime
:32:10. > :32:13.Minister actually said in her speech that she was putting the
:32:14. > :32:19.preservation of our precious union at the heart of everything and, in
:32:20. > :32:23.that spirit, can I ask the Secretary of State if there is parts of the
:32:24. > :32:28.country that are net beneficiaries from the EU, such as Wales and
:32:29. > :32:31.Cornwall, will continue to get that level of funding so they can take
:32:32. > :32:36.advantage of the great opportunities ahead. The aim of the entire
:32:37. > :32:43.strategy is to improve the economic prospects of the country and to do
:32:44. > :32:48.that properly, the Prime Minister has been very forward in terms of
:32:49. > :32:54.talking about the benefits of that. One of the things which has passed
:32:55. > :32:58.almost unremarked but was in fact remarkable, was the speed with which
:32:59. > :33:01.the Treasury stepped in very early on universities and farming and
:33:02. > :33:05.structural funds. It made a decision in four weeks in the middle of
:33:06. > :33:08.August, something which I don't think I can remember in my lifetime
:33:09. > :33:11.in this parent which is quite long. So I think she can take it as read
:33:12. > :33:15.that we'll do everything possible to make sure that awe parts in the
:33:16. > :33:18.United Kingdom benefit from this policy.
:33:19. > :33:24.I applaud the Prime Minister's speech and her vision of a liberal
:33:25. > :33:28.Brexit. Can the minister confirm that where mutual cooperation is
:33:29. > :33:30.needed between the EU and UK after we've left such as
:33:31. > :33:37.intelligence-sharing, that arrangements will be put in place on
:33:38. > :33:41.the basis of bilateral treaties, rather than us being the supplement?
:33:42. > :33:46.One of the things the Prime Minister's made plain is that we are
:33:47. > :33:51.not the supplement here or in what follows afterwards. Britain is the
:33:52. > :33:54.intelligent super power, we are critical to the fence of Europe from
:33:55. > :34:00.terrorist threat and we are also critical to the military support of
:34:01. > :34:05.Europe and dealing with migration, the navy at work -- with the navy at
:34:06. > :34:08.work. They are often on a bilateral basis now but they'll be done on a
:34:09. > :34:22.treaty basis equal to both sides. I think we should loyally support
:34:23. > :34:29.the Government. Hear-hear! LAUGHTER
:34:30. > :34:33.Will the Secretary of State confirm this, that insist on controlling
:34:34. > :34:36.your own borders and insisting on doing international trade deals is
:34:37. > :34:41.inconsistent, not just with membership of the European Union,
:34:42. > :34:44.but also the customs union and the single market, so I agree after the
:34:45. > :34:51.welcome turn of today's speech it's not hard Brexit, it's full Brexit.
:34:52. > :34:56.Well, I will start by saying with respect to his opening remarks, my
:34:57. > :35:02.health is fragile these days, careful about such assertions of
:35:03. > :35:05.supporting the Government! But it is plain, I mean, we have endeavoured
:35:06. > :35:08.to put together the option which gives the best outcome for Britain
:35:09. > :35:13.whilst obeying the decision of the people. That's what we have done and
:35:14. > :35:16.it will work. Thank you, MrSpeaker. The Prime
:35:17. > :35:20.Minister in the first part of her speech made a welcome commitment to
:35:21. > :35:26.enhance and protect workers' rights but at the end was threatening to
:35:27. > :35:31.take them away and to undercut the rest of Europe and rip up the
:35:32. > :35:35.British economic model if we don't get what we want. Can he now
:35:36. > :35:38.withdraw that threat and be clear that Britain will not do that
:35:39. > :35:43.because otherwise if the Government is prepared to rip up workers'
:35:44. > :35:48.rights as soon as the negotiations get difficult, how can we trust them
:35:49. > :35:51.to ensure that the rest of Britain's interests are protected if the
:35:52. > :35:56.negotiations get difficult, as well? I will say to her what I said to the
:35:57. > :35:59.head of the TUC a couple of weeks ago, there is no circumstance under
:36:00. > :36:02.which we will rip up worksers' rights. That's my commitment from
:36:03. > :36:11.the beginning in this job and it will be my commitment for as long as
:36:12. > :36:14.I am in it. The governor of the Bank of England
:36:15. > :36:17.said the financial stability risks to the eurozone are greater than
:36:18. > :36:21.those faced by the UK, will he undertake to offer the European
:36:22. > :36:25.Union a full agreement to ensure that through the withdrawal
:36:26. > :36:30.agreement the eurozone continues to enjoy access to the City of London?
:36:31. > :36:35.Well, the governor and my honourable friend make a good point. The City
:36:36. > :36:40.of London, the existence of the City of London ensures both a pool of
:36:41. > :36:43.liquidity and a source of almost bottomless source of low cost
:36:44. > :36:50.finance for most of the industries of Europe. So, I think they've every
:36:51. > :36:56.interest in doing the deal we described and that again I reiterate
:36:57. > :37:00.is what we are relying on that's in everybody's interests economically,
:37:01. > :37:04.socially and in terms of financial stability. As the Secretary of State
:37:05. > :37:08.knows I support reform of freedom of movement but in a way that does
:37:09. > :37:12.least damage to the economy and particularly the regional economy. I
:37:13. > :37:15.see in the Prime Minister's speech she makes specific mention of
:37:16. > :37:19.protecting the interests of Cardiff, Edinburgh, Belfast, the City of
:37:20. > :37:22.London, but there is no mention of the north-west of England, Greater
:37:23. > :37:29.Manchester or indeed any English region. Rather than leaving these
:37:30. > :37:33.crucial decisions to a London centric click isn't it take to open
:37:34. > :37:36.up this debate, give Greater Manchester a voice in it and
:37:37. > :37:43.establish a Brexit committee for the nations and regions?
:37:44. > :37:52.If he is not very careful, I shall invite him to jump on to the M62 and
:37:53. > :37:57.visit me at my home in Yorkshire, this right-wing bastion in the north
:37:58. > :38:01.of England. Firstly, as you he - as he might imagine, I am acutely
:38:02. > :38:05.conscious of the needs of the north and what I am intending to do, I had
:38:06. > :38:09.intended to announce it - I hadn't intended to announce it today but I
:38:10. > :38:14.will as he asked, after the mayoral elections I intend to All Yours the
:38:15. > :38:23.mayors to have a meeting to talk about precisely that.
:38:24. > :38:29.It's a makeshift plan but before he is able to negotiate it, can I urge
:38:30. > :38:35.on him enormous patience because our partners will first want to discuss
:38:36. > :38:38.the money, the division of the assets and liabilities. I shall
:38:39. > :38:45.almost reiterate the answer I gave to the previous question. I am from
:38:46. > :38:52.Yorkshire and we are known to be just like the Scots, but a lot less
:38:53. > :38:59.generous! Today's speech is a result of what
:39:00. > :39:04.you get when you allow immigration policy to dictate economic policy,
:39:05. > :39:06.rather than considering these crucial questions of immigration and
:39:07. > :39:11.economics together. The Prime Minister set out a plan to leave the
:39:12. > :39:15.European Union but she did not set out a plan to keep anything like the
:39:16. > :39:19.current access to our biggest single market for jobs, businesses and
:39:20. > :39:23.trade and during the referendum campaign she said that pulling out
:39:24. > :39:28.of the single market would mean a loss of investors and going
:39:29. > :39:33.backwards on international trade. Let me ask the Secretary of State,
:39:34. > :39:39.what economic assessment did the Government make on the impact of
:39:40. > :39:45.today's speech on jobs, trade and prosperity or was the speech made
:39:46. > :39:49.without any such assetment at all? The first thing I will say to him is
:39:50. > :39:53.that the outcome of the referendum last year was not principally, it
:39:54. > :39:55.was a large part about immigration, but not principally about
:39:56. > :39:59.immigration, it was about control of our country. If you talk to the
:40:00. > :40:03.people who voted that was what they were concerned about. That's what
:40:04. > :40:07.this is about. Since I was party to the writing of this speech I can
:40:08. > :40:10.tell him, we had the economic future of the country, the security of the
:40:11. > :40:14.country, the sovereignty of the country and our part in the world
:40:15. > :40:24.all squarely in our sights when we wrote it.
:40:25. > :40:29.My right honourable friend in his speech made clear that no deal is
:40:30. > :40:32.better than a bad deal. In the unlikely I am sure event that we
:40:33. > :40:35.were to get a bad deal and the House were to vote against it, what would
:40:36. > :40:46.be the impact in terms of our status within the European Union?
:40:47. > :40:49.Well, the referendum last year set in motion a circumstance where the
:40:50. > :40:54.UK is going to leave the European Union and it won't change that. What
:40:55. > :40:56.we want to have is a vote so the House can support the policy which
:40:57. > :41:04.we are quite sure they will approve of when we get there.
:41:05. > :41:08.Can I welcome the Prime Minister's speech today in the sense that it
:41:09. > :41:12.gives certainty to those millions of Labour supporters who voted to leave
:41:13. > :41:15.and now know that the slogan taking back control is not just a slogan
:41:16. > :41:21.but actually means something. Could I ask him in the interim period now,
:41:22. > :41:25.before we actually leave, will he assure us that the negotiations
:41:26. > :41:29.about trade deals with other countries that may be nearly there,
:41:30. > :41:33.that we will continue to do that work so we are ready to go when we
:41:34. > :41:38.actually leave the EU? Of course we will do that. The honourable lady is
:41:39. > :41:44.entirely right. What we are constrained by is a thing called the
:41:45. > :41:48.duty of sincere co-operation. It requires us not to do things which
:41:49. > :41:52.jeopardise actions by the European Union. If the European Union
:41:53. > :41:56.currently has a trade deal in negotiation we have to be very
:41:57. > :41:59.careful about how we impact on that. Of course we can't actually sign
:42:00. > :42:03.until the day we leave. But I have a strong suspicion that there will be
:42:04. > :42:12.a lot of things ready to sign that very next day.
:42:13. > :42:16.I apologise for being unavoidably rather late in the chamber. Whilst I
:42:17. > :42:20.welcome the tone of the Prime Minister's statement today and the
:42:21. > :42:24.commitments to free trade and internationalism and so on which are
:42:25. > :42:29.very welcome, does my right honourable friend agree that when he
:42:30. > :42:36.is negotiating free trade agreements or customses union with any other
:42:37. > :42:42.country or groups of country, the parties both agree to be bound by
:42:43. > :42:47.sets of rules which neither of them are going to change and any
:42:48. > :42:53.agreement involves submitting to some means of resolution of
:42:54. > :42:58.disputes, be it arbitration or a court of law or the World Trade
:42:59. > :43:01.Organisation rules. So what I don't understand when reading the Prime
:43:02. > :43:05.Minister's statement or listening to my right honourable friend is which
:43:06. > :43:09.country in the world is going to enter into a trade agreement with
:43:10. > :43:13.this country on the basis that the rules are entirely what the British
:43:14. > :43:17.say they're going to be on any particular day and if there is any
:43:18. > :43:21.dispute about the rules it's going to be sorted out by the British
:43:22. > :43:30.Government? LAUGHTER
:43:31. > :43:34.Well, those on that side have a very short memory. I can forgive my right
:43:35. > :43:37.honourable friend, he didn't hear the first question which was on
:43:38. > :43:40.exactly this point. And I answered it in the same way I am going to
:43:41. > :43:43.answer this, which is of course there will be agreements between us
:43:44. > :43:46.and there will they'll be arbitrated by an organisation which we agree
:43:47. > :43:54.between us, not normally the European Court of justice.
:43:55. > :43:57.Thank you, MrSpeaker. Can the Secretary of State be absolutely
:43:58. > :44:00.crystal clear, does his statement and the Prime Minister's speech
:44:01. > :44:07.represent the totality of the plan promised to parliament and will
:44:08. > :44:11.there be a White Paper, yes or no? I was asked by the select committee
:44:12. > :44:19.that we will present the plan as quickly as possible, that's what we
:44:20. > :44:27.have done. I am very pleased to hear priorities
:44:28. > :44:30.include allowing the EU citizens to stay here and allowing us to still
:44:31. > :44:35.access those vital skills we need for science and insroe vasion. I
:44:36. > :44:41.appreciate the negotiation can't be open for all to see and no running
:44:42. > :44:46.commentary will be possible. Will the Secretary of State commit -
:44:47. > :44:53.needs and requirements must be reflected in negotiating aims.
:44:54. > :44:58.Broadly, yes, the honourable lady is a member for Cambridgeshire? I was
:44:59. > :45:04.in Cambridge only just before Christmas to speak to a number of
:45:05. > :45:10.hi-tech organisations, one of them ARM but a number of others, as well,
:45:11. > :45:14.some pharmaceutical ones, as well, with the direct intention of
:45:15. > :45:23.informing exactly how we approach some of these complex matters in the
:45:24. > :45:29.negotiation. The Government took a wise decision
:45:30. > :45:32.to inform our E. Partners that in the event of intransigence during
:45:33. > :45:37.our negotiations to establish a new partnership that we would not take
:45:38. > :45:43.it lying down and would use the fiscal and legislative levers at our
:45:44. > :45:47.disposal to ensure that Britain's economic case was represented
:45:48. > :45:51.properly. Is he surprised at the casual way in which the opposition
:45:52. > :45:56.has dismissed the use of these levers on the basis that it might
:45:57. > :46:02.start a trade war and would he not accept that the sure way of getting
:46:03. > :46:06.entrance generals from the EU is to throw away this economic deterrent
:46:07. > :46:16.we have at our disposal? I am disappointed but not surprised, what
:46:17. > :46:19.is perhaps spicing -- surprising. This is something in the national
:46:20. > :46:26.interest, every single member of our nation stands to gain.
:46:27. > :46:31.Can I welcome the detailed plan set out by the Prime Minister for a
:46:32. > :46:35.post-Brexit Britain that means that we are a self-governing democracy, a
:46:36. > :46:39.firm friend to Europe but have a global perspective. Does he agree
:46:40. > :46:42.that it's vital this is a positive vision because that's the way we can
:46:43. > :46:47.unite the country and make sure Britain goes from strength to
:46:48. > :46:50.strength? Well, my honourable friend goes to
:46:51. > :46:55.the heart of this. The purpose of this and the reason we addressed the
:46:56. > :46:59.questions that were put by the opposition was because we wanted to
:47:00. > :47:04.get people behind a vision of Britain which will be in everybody's
:47:05. > :47:06.interests, everybody, north, south, England, Scotland, Wales, Northern
:47:07. > :47:10.Ireland, every part of the country, rich and poor and that's what we
:47:11. > :47:15.intend to do. Thank you, MrSpeaker. In 45 minutes
:47:16. > :47:25.the Prime Minister hasn't delivered a plan, she's delivered a Pandora's
:47:26. > :47:29.Box. She said she wants us to leave the common commercial policy and the
:47:30. > :47:33.common external tariff but to have associate membership of the customs
:47:34. > :47:37.union. A membership that doesn't yet exist and nobody else has. Can the
:47:38. > :47:43.Secretary of State tell us exactly what this means now for the deals
:47:44. > :47:51.like the aniesen deal on which thousands of jobs -- Nissan. Or what
:47:52. > :47:56.is it he - what cake he wants to eat and have this time? Nissan have
:47:57. > :48:02.decided to enlarge their investment in Britain, so they are clearly
:48:03. > :48:07.persuaded of this circumstance. The second thing I would say to her is
:48:08. > :48:10.that we have said from the beginning the relationship, the new
:48:11. > :48:14.partnership we want to have with the European Union will be unique T will
:48:15. > :48:20.be brand new, it is unique in many ways. Let me give one example. In
:48:21. > :48:24.the trade deal that we are seeking to arrive at we will be at the same
:48:25. > :48:27.standards of production, same standards applying to all of Britain
:48:28. > :48:32.that applies to the European Union now. There is no other trade deal in
:48:33. > :48:36.the world like that. The same thing applies to customs agreements, we
:48:37. > :48:39.are in a position where currently we have no customs barriers, why should
:48:40. > :48:47.we not have a frictionless one when we get to the end of the deal?
:48:48. > :48:53.Does the Secretary of State agree with me that a strong, fair and
:48:54. > :48:57.global Britain must include showing support for EU nationals currently
:48:58. > :49:04.living and working in our communities and to that end does he
:49:05. > :49:08.agree with me that we should unilaterally guarantee their rights
:49:09. > :49:13.as this would demonstrate our goodwill with a clear statement of
:49:14. > :49:19.intent? En What we have done is we have
:49:20. > :49:23.sought at the earliest possible opportunity with the national
:49:24. > :49:27.governments of those EU nationals to try to establish an agreement which
:49:28. > :49:31.covers both those EU nationals about which we care deeply, but also those
:49:32. > :49:35.citizens for whom we have a legal and moral responsibility, that's the
:49:36. > :49:38.point to remember, we have a legal and moral responsibility for our own
:49:39. > :49:42.citizens and those nations have not yet taken up the offer.
:49:43. > :49:51.Thank you, Mr Speaker. Further to the point made by the honourable
:49:52. > :49:53.lady for Twickenham, the speech does contain the words "guarantee", so
:49:54. > :50:00.there is a commitment from the Government that they want to do
:50:01. > :50:07.this. However, with 3.5 million citizens living in our country, will
:50:08. > :50:10.it be 23rd June or the day we trigger. Certainly is extremely
:50:11. > :50:15.important and work needs to be done on the basis of when people arrived
:50:16. > :50:22.because the number of EU citizens will have arrived without passports
:50:23. > :50:26.but with identity cards. He'll know as a long-standing ex-chairman of
:50:27. > :50:30.the Home Affairs Select Committee which actually published a report on
:50:31. > :50:38.this and put up three dates, that this is a matter strictly for the
:50:39. > :50:44.Home Office to initiate and their policy on it.
:50:45. > :50:51.People came here in good faith to feel fear, concern about the future
:50:52. > :50:54.and we want to be able to guarantee all the other things that go with
:50:55. > :50:59.it, the welfare support and so on. That's what we intend to do. He'll
:51:00. > :51:03.forgive me if I don't pick a date out of the air because he knows what
:51:04. > :51:08.will happen, it will create an instant problem in terms of concerns
:51:09. > :51:13.for people who arrived either before or after that date. I don't wish
:51:14. > :51:16.this to make it any more difficult for the decent people that I want to
:51:17. > :51:20.help. I also welcome the Prime Minister's
:51:21. > :51:25.tone and her outlined objectives as she enters into the Brexit
:51:26. > :51:27.negotiations. I'm pleased she's listened to honourable friends to
:51:28. > :51:30.putting that vote to Parliament. Does my right honourable friend
:51:31. > :51:34.agree with me that in order to ensure that the Government is in
:51:35. > :51:43.tune with the will of Parliament that the single market is
:51:44. > :51:46.desperately overdue, the debate on it, and also so that Britain can be
:51:47. > :51:51.a best friend and neighbour to European partners. To do anything
:51:52. > :52:02.else would make Britain poor and the European partners. He goes to the
:52:03. > :52:05.heart of the strategy. The non-tariff barriers are as important
:52:06. > :52:10.in some ways as the 0% tariff and maybe harder to negotiate.
:52:11. > :52:17.Thank you, Mr Speaker. Once the UK's left the EU, there'll
:52:18. > :52:20.be a ?9 billion in EU finances. Given reduced resources, why does
:52:21. > :52:23.the Government believe the EU will prioritise negotiating a trade deal
:52:24. > :52:29.with the UK over more lucrative markets such as the US or China?
:52:30. > :52:34.Well, I'm afraid she's wrong about the more lucrative market bit. I
:52:35. > :52:37.mean, we are, once we are outside the European Union, the largest
:52:38. > :52:42.market for the European Union. They do not want to lose what they
:52:43. > :52:46.already have, which is a massive trade deficit, as it were, in their
:52:47. > :52:55.direction, which is very important for many, many millions of jobs.
:52:56. > :52:59.Thank you, Mr Speaker. I would like to warmly welcome the statement by
:53:00. > :53:01.my right honourable friend and the speech earlier by the Prime
:53:02. > :53:05.Minister. I'm sure my right honourable friend is aware of the
:53:06. > :53:11.importance of the British university sector for research, jobs and
:53:12. > :53:16.growth, and that is challenged, that sector, in terms of the workforce
:53:17. > :53:19.and also in terms of many of the grants it gets from the European
:53:20. > :53:22.Union. Will my right honourable friend commit to prioritising with
:53:23. > :53:27.the university sector to make sure it has a viable and strong future in
:53:28. > :53:32.a post-Brexit world? We are already at that. As I
:53:33. > :53:34.mentioned to his honourable friend, I was in Cambridge just before
:53:35. > :53:38.Christmas with that very much in mind.
:53:39. > :53:43.Let me just reiterate the point. I know I've made it from despatch box
:53:44. > :53:47.before. I'll reiterate the point. My job is to bring back control of the
:53:48. > :53:51.immigration policy to the UK. But do not assume that we'll do anything
:53:52. > :53:57.other than interpret that immigration policy in the UK's
:53:58. > :54:02.national interests. We are a university, a science super power
:54:03. > :54:06.and that science super power status depends on our access to tariffs,
:54:07. > :54:10.our ability to get people to come and work in our universities with
:54:11. > :54:15.Nobel Prizes and do what they do very well here and we have got that
:54:16. > :54:21.very, very square and centre in what we are attempting to achieve. Thank
:54:22. > :54:25.you very much, Mr Speaker. The Secretary of State was an early
:54:26. > :54:29.advocate of a White Paper. Downing Street have made it clear that
:54:30. > :54:35.there'll be no White Paper that the Prime Minister's speech is all we
:54:36. > :54:40.are going to get. Is he disappointed with that and, will he go back and
:54:41. > :54:47.ask her to think again so that we can have meaningful debate with
:54:48. > :54:52.votes ahead of the final agreement? I mean, frankly, she should read it.
:54:53. > :54:56.It's almost 7,000 words, a closely argued strategy in terms of the
:54:57. > :55:01.approach to the European Union. It answers all of her questions that we
:55:02. > :55:04.can answer at this stage and that's what we set out to do, to help
:55:05. > :55:13.Parliament with its decisions. That's what I think we have done.
:55:14. > :55:19.The honourable member from hoe burn and St Pancras suggested that the
:55:20. > :55:23.ECJ would retain the trade deal. Given the Canada trade deal contains
:55:24. > :55:27.an arbitration clause, does the Secretary of State think this is
:55:28. > :55:31.absolutely necessary? There is always an arbitration clause in any
:55:32. > :55:35.trade deal but whoever the organisation that carries out the
:55:36. > :55:40.arbitration, is a part of that deal. That's what we'll agree. I think
:55:41. > :55:44.it's incredibly unlikely it will be the ECJ.
:55:45. > :55:47.Can I suggest to the honourable member that the Government's threat
:55:48. > :55:50.of turning Britain into a corporate tax haven floating off on the edge
:55:51. > :55:54.of Europe is not what people voted for on the 23rd June. People also
:55:55. > :55:59.did not vote to wreck our environmental protections. So will
:56:00. > :56:02.the Government introduce a new Environmental Protection Act as
:56:03. > :56:06.advocated by the Environmental Audit Committee so that vital safeguards
:56:07. > :56:08.for nature are neither quietly dropped through secondary
:56:09. > :56:11.legislation, nor bargained away in this rush to be able to conclude new
:56:12. > :56:15.trade deals, for example, with the US.
:56:16. > :56:21.Well, what I'll say to her is this. The way we have structured this,
:56:22. > :56:26.very clearly I think, with the great Repeal Bill, so that that all of the
:56:27. > :56:29.existing protections in law will be put into British law, then anything
:56:30. > :56:37.thereafter will be for this Parliament to decide, something that
:56:38. > :56:42.hasn't been true for about 40 years. Mr Speaker, in the Secretary of
:56:43. > :56:46.State's long and distinguished political career, did he ever think
:56:47. > :56:53.that in his political lifetime, he would have a British Prime Minister
:56:54. > :56:56.make such a splendid speech on the EU, totally in line with the British
:56:57. > :57:04.people? Absolutely not! But sadly that won't
:57:05. > :57:09.get me a pay increase. Russia. Russia this week has been up
:57:10. > :57:14.to its usual tricks no trying to stir up trouble between Serbia and
:57:15. > :57:17.Kosovo and of course is trying to face down the United States of
:57:18. > :57:22.America and, for that matter, other members of NATO on the border with
:57:23. > :57:28.Poland and Estonia. Now, I believe that the bedrock of our national
:57:29. > :57:36.security is NATO. I hope my party does too. But successive Foreign
:57:37. > :57:39.Secretaries and Home Secretaries and Prime Ministers have come to this
:57:40. > :57:43.House and said that they are proud when they've come back from the EU,
:57:44. > :57:47.that they have been able to make sure that the EU keeps strong
:57:48. > :57:51.sanctions against Russian territorial aggression. How will we
:57:52. > :57:55.be able to do that in the future when we've left the European Union?
:57:56. > :57:58.Well, we'll be able to do it by bilateral negotiation. Let me go
:57:59. > :58:05.back to the fundamental of what he said. I mean, one of the - he's
:58:06. > :58:09.right, we need to contain Russian expansionism - and he's right that
:58:10. > :58:14.that's an important part of this country's role in the world. One of
:58:15. > :58:18.the most important parts of the incredibly important speech was the
:58:19. > :58:24.Prime Minister making it very plain that we will continue to be a good
:58:25. > :58:29.global citizen and a good European citizen, particularly on matters of
:58:30. > :58:34.regional security. I welcome today's statement and the
:58:35. > :58:39.clarity it brings. In the Black Country and the wider West Midlands
:58:40. > :58:43.economy, their businesses have driven export growth, particularly
:58:44. > :58:46.outside of the European Union. Would the Secretary of State agree with me
:58:47. > :58:51.that whatever we agree in terms of access to the single market, must
:58:52. > :58:55.not constrain the ability of West Midlands exporters to continue to
:58:56. > :58:59.ply trade outside of the European Union and grow their exports?
:59:00. > :59:03.He makes a point which goes to the heart of the approach to the customs
:59:04. > :59:07.union. The reason we are not going to be a part of the common
:59:08. > :59:11.commercial policy is to enable us to make the deals which enable the
:59:12. > :59:18.Black Country industrialists to make the maximum out of international
:59:19. > :59:24.trade. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. EU
:59:25. > :59:28.workers in Scotland contribute ?7. 5 billion to our economy, not to
:59:29. > :59:32.mention the huge contribution they make to our social fabric. What is
:59:33. > :59:35.he going to do to protect their rights and Scotland's place in
:59:36. > :59:41.Europe as they voted for by a majority in the EU vote?
:59:42. > :59:45.I mean, there was a part of the report that was produced by the
:59:46. > :59:53.Scottish Government which related to this and, as I said to one of my
:59:54. > :59:56.colleagues earlier, that we will not be managing the immigration policy
:59:57. > :00:01.or the migration policy in a way which harms the national interest.
:00:02. > :00:05.That means not causing Labour shortages, shortages of talent and
:00:06. > :00:11.so on. That applies, not just as it were globally, but to each nation
:00:12. > :00:14.state of the United Kingdom too. Thank you, Mr Speaker.
:00:15. > :00:20.I welcome the Prime Minister's plan for Britain and her speech today. I
:00:21. > :00:26.represent a rural constituency which has a long history and future of
:00:27. > :00:31.agriculture. Can my right honourable friend assure the House that
:00:32. > :00:36.agriculture will be central in any trade negotiations and that the high
:00:37. > :00:42.quality of food standards for which British farming is famed will be a
:00:43. > :00:48.key principle in those negotiations? The answer very simply is yes. We
:00:49. > :00:51.are a large market for European agriculture and food production but
:00:52. > :00:58.they are a large market for us too and we'll keep that in mind.
:00:59. > :01:01.Mr Speaker, on rethinking immigration policy, will ministers
:01:02. > :01:06.consider allowing EU citizens to come to the UK if they have a firm
:01:07. > :01:10.job offer in the UK, as part of the quid pro quo for the barrier free
:01:11. > :01:15.access to the single market which he said is his goal?
:01:16. > :01:20.I think if I remember correctly from the speech, the Prime Minister made
:01:21. > :01:24.the point thats the not a policy to shut out Europeans at all, it's a
:01:25. > :01:27.policy to deliver the best interests of the United Kingdom and the best
:01:28. > :01:32.interests of the European Union and therefore we'll keep that in mind,
:01:33. > :01:36.of course. I welcome the Prime Minister's
:01:37. > :01:38.speech and her plans. But would my right honourable friend agree his
:01:39. > :01:41.negotiations will be greatly enhanced by his commitment to
:01:42. > :01:45.working with Britishth British business and that the Government's
:01:46. > :01:50.commitment to shaping a modern industrial strategy with British
:01:51. > :01:54.business will also provide a clear vision for our post-Brexit economic
:01:55. > :02:01.future? The two policies fit together hand and glove almost, the
:02:02. > :02:04.industrial policy and the negotiating policy with the European
:02:05. > :02:08.Union. It's right that we have made an enormous amount of attention to
:02:09. > :02:12.business, finance and manufacturing, to aviation, energy, every single
:02:13. > :02:15.sector, 51 different sectors. We have paid a great deal of attention
:02:16. > :02:20.to them in order to get the best possible deal and we'll continue to
:02:21. > :02:27.do so. Mr Speaker, trading with the EU
:02:28. > :02:33.under WTO rules would be vastly inferior to our current arrangements
:02:34. > :02:37.with 10% tariffs on cars, 13% on clothes, up to 40% tariffs on
:02:38. > :02:42.agricultural produce that the lady was talking about. For the sake of
:02:43. > :02:46.clarity, can he be absolutely clear, does the Prime Minister's commitment
:02:47. > :02:55.to an interim implementation arrangement amount to the Government
:02:56. > :03:00.ruling out leaving the EU with no deal at all. That would be damaging
:03:01. > :03:10.for jobs and businesses in this country.
:03:11. > :03:18.If you walk into a negotiating option with no other option you
:03:19. > :03:23.won't do very well. Can I welcome the tone of the Prime
:03:24. > :03:29.Minister this morning in the building formerly known as Stafford
:03:30. > :03:36.House. Would he agree with me that this issue of no cliff edge of a
:03:37. > :03:39.really well-worked out implementation plan is incredibly
:03:40. > :03:43.important, not just for businesses, but for the entire economy and all
:03:44. > :03:47.of the people of the United Kingdom and indeed of the EU.
:03:48. > :03:53.I think my right honourable friend is, as ever, right. I would say to
:03:54. > :03:56.him, of course, the point I tried to make earlier and it was made this
:03:57. > :03:58.morning, is this is important to us but also important to the European
:03:59. > :04:06.Union too. Thank you, Mr Speaker. If we are
:04:07. > :04:09.looking things which unite us and will enable us to exit the European
:04:10. > :04:12.Union more smoothly, can I suggest the minister starts talking to the
:04:13. > :04:18.Home Office and to minister who is deal with universities to find a way
:04:19. > :04:21.where we can properly remove the numbers of international students
:04:22. > :04:28.from the head count of immigration figures?
:04:29. > :04:35.Having explained earlier how I got the job, I think answering that
:04:36. > :04:40.question would lose me the job. It is a matter for the Home Office. But
:04:41. > :04:44.she can be sure that as I have said earlier, in answer to other
:04:45. > :04:48.questions, the operation of the immigration policy after we depart
:04:49. > :04:53.the European Union will be in the national interest, that includes the
:04:54. > :04:59.interest of our incredibly powerful and effective university sector. As
:05:00. > :05:04.the Shadow Minister said, this is not a hard Brexit, nor is this a
:05:05. > :05:08.soft Brexit, this is a plan for Britain on Brexit. The pound is up
:05:09. > :05:11.almost 3% since the announcement of the Prime Minister this morning.
:05:12. > :05:15.Could I urge my right honourable friend to not give in to the voices
:05:16. > :05:18.opposite who want a constant commentary but to carry on the clear
:05:19. > :05:22.strategy that's been laid out since he took post of making announcements
:05:23. > :05:25.when there is something to announce because that stability has been
:05:26. > :05:30.proved on the markets today that it works. Well, I am slightly loath to
:05:31. > :05:35.pin the entire effectiveness of the strategy on the currency markets,
:05:36. > :05:39.although I have to say that in two speeches now we managed to move it
:05:40. > :05:43.by a total of 5% so I have made more money on that than in the entire
:05:44. > :05:47.rest of my industrial career. But I take the point. This is a very
:05:48. > :05:51.important issue that we must not give a running commentary on but I
:05:52. > :06:00.think the opposition have a point that clarity was worthwhile and
:06:01. > :06:04.that's been demonstrated today. The Prime Minister said in her
:06:05. > :06:10.speech that we are leaving the single market, that she was going to
:06:11. > :06:15.negotiate a tree trade agreement with the EU and -- free trade
:06:16. > :06:21.agreement with the EU. Taking arrangements in certain areas. The
:06:22. > :06:25.Prime Minister continued, if so, it is reasonable that we should make an
:06:26. > :06:30.appropriate contribution. Can the Secretary of State say today and
:06:31. > :06:33.confirm is the Government actually considering continuing to make a
:06:34. > :06:39.financial contribution on that basis to the EU? I think he should have
:06:40. > :06:45.listened to the questions as well when she elaborated on that. She
:06:46. > :06:49.pointed out there are elements of the European Union where it's to our
:06:50. > :06:54.benefit, some of the research arrangements and so on. We are not
:06:55. > :06:56.in the business of going into great detail beyond that. I have said
:06:57. > :07:07.before we are not closing doors, but neither are we committing to things
:07:08. > :07:13.at this point. Well done the Prime Minister, well done my right
:07:14. > :07:18.honourable friend. Does he share my optimism that access to the European
:07:19. > :07:23.markets will not be affected by our departure because of the millions of
:07:24. > :07:27.European workers who will not allow their politicians or their
:07:28. > :07:30.bureaucrats to threaten their livelihoods simply to punish the
:07:31. > :07:33.United Kingdom? I am sure my right honourable friend
:07:34. > :07:47.is right and I particularly like the opening of his question!
:07:48. > :07:52.Could I commend the honourable lady for her sanity in her common sense
:07:53. > :07:56.earlier and the member for Rushcliff for bringing a degree of integrity
:07:57. > :08:00.to the discussion. Does the Secretary of State for exiting the
:08:01. > :08:05.EU recognise that I and thousands of others in Northern Ireland won't be
:08:06. > :08:09.leaving the EU willingly. We recognise the very significant
:08:10. > :08:14.benefits that have flowed from EU membership. We hold EU passports and
:08:15. > :08:17.we intend to retain them. But can I ask the Secretary of State what
:08:18. > :08:21.arrangements he will make to accommodate us? People like myself
:08:22. > :08:27.and the 70% of my constituents who voted to remain in the EU and intend
:08:28. > :08:32.to retain the benefits and could he when he tell us how he intends
:08:33. > :08:35.Northern Ireland to have its voice heard at the GMC meetings that he
:08:36. > :08:41.has and in the negotiations generally in the next three months?
:08:42. > :08:47.Let me say to the honourable gentleman. Firstly, since the
:08:48. > :08:52.beginning of this process, since I took this post, we have put the
:08:53. > :08:55.preservation of the stability and interests of Northern Ireland pretty
:08:56. > :09:01.much at the top of the tree of the negotiation, in particular on issues
:09:02. > :09:05.such as maintaining an open border and indeed on preserving the
:09:06. > :09:11.economic basis of Northern Ireland which is very dependent on trade
:09:12. > :09:15.with the Republic of Ireland. In terms of the JMC, I don't think
:09:16. > :09:19.whether it's gone yesterday but I approved it yesterday for the
:09:20. > :09:23.Northern Ireland economictive asking them whether they during the interim
:09:24. > :09:28.period, although the Government doesn't - is now subject to an
:09:29. > :09:32.election, ministers, most of the ministers are still in place to get
:09:33. > :09:34.them to send representatives either Ministerial or other
:09:35. > :09:38.representatives, so that we are always across the interests of
:09:39. > :09:41.Northern Ireland. He must take it as read, I am absolutely committed to
:09:42. > :09:45.making sure that the stability we have got used to and the peace we
:09:46. > :09:50.have got used to and prosperity in the last several years, we intend to
:09:51. > :09:53.maintain. As the Secretary of State said, if
:09:54. > :09:59.we are to give up our membership of the European Union and indeed the
:10:00. > :10:01.single market, this is not incompatible with us negotiating
:10:02. > :10:06.access to the single market either in whole or in part, I was wondering
:10:07. > :10:12.if at this stage my honourable friend has considered red lines he
:10:13. > :10:18.may put down in terms of what we pay for such access? I have considered,
:10:19. > :10:22.but the idea that I might talk about them is neither here... The simple
:10:23. > :10:27.truth is, there is a sort of naivety in modern politics that you have to
:10:28. > :10:33.establish in some sort of butch way red lines. If you establish a red
:10:34. > :10:36.line what you do is you invite your opposite, your negotiating opposite
:10:37. > :10:41.to make that red line very expensive to you. So, I do not intend to get
:10:42. > :10:44.into the business of laying out red lines here, there and everywhere,
:10:45. > :10:55.because I intend to get the best possible outcome for the country.
:10:56. > :11:01.The Prime Minister has said that we will be leaving the jurisdiction of
:11:02. > :11:06.the European Court of justice but can the Secretary of State, who has
:11:07. > :11:10.been a strong advocate of human rights, confirm that we will not be
:11:11. > :11:16.leaving the European Convention on Human Rights?
:11:17. > :11:19.Well as she knows I have history in this area and they're completely
:11:20. > :11:26.separate entities, nothing to do with this.
:11:27. > :11:32.I wholeheartedly welcome my right honourable friend's statement and
:11:33. > :11:36.that of the Prime Minister. Steel production is hugely important in
:11:37. > :11:40.Northamptonshire, will he consult widely about the future of the steel
:11:41. > :11:44.industry to make sure we get these arrangements right because this is a
:11:45. > :11:48.vitally strategic important industry for our country? Yes, the short
:11:49. > :11:56.answer is yes. The Secretary of State talked about
:11:57. > :12:01.bumps in the road. But this threatens to be a head of on car
:12:02. > :12:06.crash for Wales where 200,000 jobs are supported by trade with Europe.
:12:07. > :12:12.Does he have any idea how many jobs will be lost in Wales as a result of
:12:13. > :12:18.his Government's chosen path? The intention is none. I will say to
:12:19. > :12:22.that end the joint Ministerial committee for European negotiation
:12:23. > :12:27.will be considering a subfrom the Government for Wales I think in the
:12:28. > :12:30.meeting after next. I actually believe the Prime
:12:31. > :12:34.Minister's powers are pragmatic plan because it sets out the ambitions
:12:35. > :12:38.that we have to continue to attract the best talent to continue access
:12:39. > :12:41.to the single market and to have a phased implementation and that
:12:42. > :12:46.certainly recognises the ambitions of the financial services industry.
:12:47. > :12:52.Could my right honourable friend confirm he will follow the Prime
:12:53. > :12:57.Minister's lead and put the needs at the forefront of his negotiations
:12:58. > :13:00.and secure mutual recognition and equiff Lance in those negotiations?
:13:01. > :13:04.Following my earlier comments of course I will follow the Prime
:13:05. > :13:11.Minister's lead! And yes, of course, national
:13:12. > :13:14.services is an enormously important industry, plus all the associated
:13:15. > :13:18.industries that support it. I have to tell him as well it's an industry
:13:19. > :13:22.that general rates great revenue for the tresh ear, even if I didn't pay
:13:23. > :13:28.attention I am sure the Chancellor would.
:13:29. > :13:32.58% of the north-east exports are destined for the EU, 10% more than
:13:33. > :13:37.the UK average, leaving our region the most exposed from leaving the
:13:38. > :13:41.single market. Could the Secretary of State confirm what specific
:13:42. > :13:44.assessment or specific conversations he has had with business
:13:45. > :13:48.organisations and others in the north-east to ensure that our voice
:13:49. > :13:51.is heard in these discussions and that those jobs that depend on our
:13:52. > :13:58.access to the single market are not put at risk.
:13:59. > :14:04.I am not a southerner, she will understand that I come at this from
:14:05. > :14:09.a different view from some, and companies like Nissan clearly took a
:14:10. > :14:15.view too. Let me put this to her clearly, the aim of this strategy is
:14:16. > :14:18.to deliver absolutely the maximum possible access to the European
:14:19. > :14:22.Union marketplace, as well as delivering access to other global
:14:23. > :14:27.marketplaces at the same time. Those two things will be to the benefit of
:14:28. > :14:33.the north-east just as much as anywhere else.
:14:34. > :14:37.Nearly 70% of my constituents voted to leave the EU so I very much
:14:38. > :14:41.welcome the Prime Minister's speech today and my right honourable
:14:42. > :14:48.friend's statement outlining a plan of how we can deliver this exit. But
:14:49. > :14:51.just a point on trade. Can my right honourable friend outline in more
:14:52. > :14:56.detail what the Government is going to do to ensure businesses such as
:14:57. > :15:01.those in Cannock Chase can make the most of global trade opportunities
:15:02. > :15:05.as we exit the EU? Strictly this is a question she
:15:06. > :15:08.should address to the department for international trade because one
:15:09. > :15:13.element of what they do is negotiating new deals but the other
:15:14. > :15:18.element is facilitating, particularly for medium sized
:15:19. > :15:20.businesses, the ones where we underperform, access to those
:15:21. > :15:30.markets and they'll be doing that, as well.
:15:31. > :15:33.The second of the Prime Minister's Brexit principles as leaving the
:15:34. > :15:37.European Union will mean our laws will be made in Westminster,
:15:38. > :15:42.Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast, in the spirit of principle one that the
:15:43. > :15:46.Government will provide certainty wherever it can, will the Secretary
:15:47. > :15:51.now provide details to the House of what further devolution or as he
:15:52. > :15:53.called it the right powers will go to the devolved administrations
:15:54. > :15:58.following our exit from the European Union?
:15:59. > :16:03.The first thing to say to her is that not a single power will come
:16:04. > :16:06.away from the devolved administrations, not one. If one was
:16:07. > :16:10.to listen sometimes to people talk being this you would think somehow
:16:11. > :16:15.we are going to strip the Scottish parliament of powers, which is not
:16:16. > :16:18.true. Secondly, I will say this to her, my presumption is I can tell
:16:19. > :16:22.her the principle, I can't give her the details at this stage, but my
:16:23. > :16:26.presumption is that wherever possible we will devolve so long as
:16:27. > :16:30.it doesn't undermine the UK single market, for which it is incredibly
:16:31. > :16:36.important to Scotland, about five times as much as it is to a European
:16:37. > :16:39.single market is. Secondly, that it preserves the ability of the
:16:40. > :16:42.Government to do international negotiation because - thirdly, to
:16:43. > :16:45.meet the international standards. Those are very important. Subject to
:16:46. > :16:51.that, I am on her side in terms of devolving.
:16:52. > :16:54.MrSpeaker, I totally agree with my right honourable friend that the UK
:16:55. > :16:58.is one of the best places for innovation and science and not least
:16:59. > :17:02.we have many world-class universities just like in my home
:17:03. > :17:06.town of Huddersfield. Would he agree that's exactly why our European
:17:07. > :17:12.allies will be eager to build a strong, new relationship?
:17:13. > :17:15.Of course. If the European negotiators take a rationale
:17:16. > :17:21.approach to this we will do this deal inside that two years and it
:17:22. > :17:27.will be good for both sides. No deal may be better than a bad
:17:28. > :17:32.deal but isn't the reality that no deal means, despite its best
:17:33. > :17:38.efforts, the British Government has been unable to conclude what it
:17:39. > :17:42.regards as a satisfactory outcome to the negotiations and therefore we
:17:43. > :17:46.are left with what the other 27 members want to impose on us,
:17:47. > :17:50.doesn't that sound like a pretty bad deal?
:17:51. > :17:57.No, being left to what 27 nations want to impose on sup a definition
:17:58. > :18:00.of a bad deal. I am sure the Secretary of State
:18:01. > :18:04.shares my enthusiasm for the clarity of the Prime Minister's speech
:18:05. > :18:07.today, a global Britain, freedom from the customs union and the
:18:08. > :18:13.constraints of single market membership. How will my right
:18:14. > :18:17.honourable friend impart that same enthusiasm amongst our EU friends
:18:18. > :18:22.and partners as we approach this future realising it's as good for
:18:23. > :18:28.them as it is good for us and it's a positive sum game? That last point
:18:29. > :18:32.is the most sper swaysive aspect. It will be to their benefit. The
:18:33. > :18:36.European Union has had a difficult five years, in economic terms and
:18:37. > :18:39.they really, if anybody has an appetite for more jobs and business
:18:40. > :18:47.and more trade it's them and we are their biggest market.
:18:48. > :18:52.The EU procurement rules have led to privatisation of parts of the health
:18:53. > :18:57.service, including part of the ambulance service in the East
:18:58. > :19:00.Midlands. Will the Secretary of State guarantee that when these
:19:01. > :19:04.negotiations are concluded and put in front of parliament that we will
:19:05. > :19:10.have the opportunity as parliament if we then choose to renationalise
:19:11. > :19:13.the entirety of the health service, without EU procurement getting in
:19:14. > :19:17.the way and if we also choose the rail industry?
:19:18. > :19:21.The honourable gentleman will understand better than most, that
:19:22. > :19:24.once we have exited the European Union, every change in law will be
:19:25. > :19:27.subject to this Parliament's decision.
:19:28. > :19:37.Thank you, Mr Speaker. I very much welcome the Prime Minister's speech
:19:38. > :19:40.today and indeed my right my right honourable friend's statement
:19:41. > :19:45.earlier on. We have seen the New Zealand Prime Minister visiting
:19:46. > :19:50.London over the weekend expressing a desire for a trade deal and also the
:19:51. > :19:54.US President Elect Trump wanting a swift deal as well with the UK.
:19:55. > :19:59.There seems to be some confusion. Can my right honourable friend
:20:00. > :20:05.confirm that we cannot negotiate global free trade deals if we remain
:20:06. > :20:09.members of the customs union? Well, he's exactly right. What
:20:10. > :20:12.that's what the common commercial policy is, it prevents us doing
:20:13. > :20:25.that, that's why we have come to the conclusion that we have. Thank you
:20:26. > :20:29.Mr Speaker. The UK is going to do away with free movement, it's going
:20:30. > :20:35.to come out the customs union and leaving the single market. Yet we
:20:36. > :20:41.are going to maintain a common free movement deal with Ireland. How can
:20:42. > :20:51.that work but we are constantly told such a deal would not be possible
:20:52. > :20:56.between Scotland and England? If I remember correctly, the common
:20:57. > :21:02.travel area started in 1923 and has nothing to do with the European
:21:03. > :21:10.Union. Mr Speaker, my right honourable friend is the man with
:21:11. > :21:14.the plan. They may mock if they wish, Mr Speaker, but will he ensure
:21:15. > :21:21.that those wanting a running commentary will not get their way in
:21:22. > :21:27.wrecking the negotiation? Of course. Thank you very much
:21:28. > :21:30.indeed Mr Speaker. The Secretary of State and indeed
:21:31. > :21:35.the Prime Minister are very keen to repeat this phrase - no-one wants to
:21:36. > :21:38.see a return to the border of the past - between Northern Ireland and
:21:39. > :21:43.the republic. Of course no-one wants to see the return of the borders of
:21:44. > :21:49.the past with army patrols and that sort of thing. The reality is, we
:21:50. > :21:53.can't have a return to the border of the past because we don't have the
:21:54. > :21:57.army watch Towers. They've gone. Dissident Republicans have not gone.
:21:58. > :22:01.Dissident Republicans have murdered two prison officers in the last four
:22:02. > :22:04.years in Northern Ireland. This is a really serious issue. So if we are
:22:05. > :22:08.not going to go back to the border of the past and I don't want to go
:22:09. > :22:14.back to that very hard type of border, it's a porous border in
:22:15. > :22:18.south Armargh, 300 miles of it. Is the British Government proposing to
:22:19. > :22:21.outsource our immigration control to the Irish Government in terms of
:22:22. > :22:25.lick Rick, Shamrock, Dublin and Shannon? What is the British
:22:26. > :22:29.Government going to do and please throw some light on this in this
:22:30. > :22:34.debate in this House today because I'm so tired of hearing that sound
:22:35. > :22:38.byte, no-one wishes to return to the borders of the past. The first thing
:22:39. > :22:45.to say is of course there is an open border now and that's the existing
:22:46. > :22:49.circumstance. I don't wish to give her sound bytes but I'll say this to
:22:50. > :22:53.her. There are other borders and perhaps not quite the same security
:22:54. > :22:58.issues are related to them, around Europe, Norway to Sweden for
:22:59. > :23:02.example, where there is an open border maintained where you've got
:23:03. > :23:06.Customs and Excise across the border but nevertheless it's frictionless
:23:07. > :23:09.and that's what we'd aim for. On the security front, it's a question more
:23:10. > :23:14.for my right honourable friend the Secretary of State for Northern
:23:15. > :23:19.Ireland. Thank you Mr Speaker. Some 44% of
:23:20. > :23:22.our exports currently go to the European Union. But does the
:23:23. > :23:26.Secretary of State agree with me that in many respects that figure is
:23:27. > :23:30.part of the problem given that just 7% of the world's population lives
:23:31. > :23:33.in the EU. So does the Secretary of State agree with me that today's
:23:34. > :23:37.decision to come out of the single market gives us a wonderful
:23:38. > :23:46.opportunity to be more global and international with our trading
:23:47. > :23:51.partners. A difficult one. My right honourable friend will know better
:23:52. > :23:55.than me since, well in the last 16, 17 years, the balance of exports in
:23:56. > :24:00.this country to Europe and the rest of the world has always turned
:24:01. > :24:04.around. It was 60-40 in favour of Europe 20 years ago, it's now almost
:24:05. > :24:12.60-40 the other way. That reflexes the growth rates in global markets
:24:13. > :24:22.are much higher -- that reflects. That is one of the bonuses of exit
:24:23. > :24:28.of the European Union. The Prime Minister's come up with a wish list
:24:29. > :24:31.and a scorched earth policy of slashing taxes and Public Services
:24:32. > :24:35.if she doesn't get what she wants. Given that many of the Secretary of
:24:36. > :24:39.State's colleagues would regard that as an ideal snarl yes, it's the
:24:40. > :24:42.economics model they would love to see implemented here, how is he
:24:43. > :24:45.going to square that during the negotiations and ensure we homed out
:24:46. > :24:50.for the best deal, rather than this deal which would be absolutely
:24:51. > :24:57.terrible for this country? Ink it would help the honourable lady if
:24:58. > :25:02.she read the speech with an impartial view. It says in terms,
:25:03. > :25:05.the preferred outcome is that of the freest possible open market with the
:25:06. > :25:15.European Union as well as the rest of the world and that's what we
:25:16. > :25:21.intend to achieve. It's a statement of economic fact that a large part
:25:22. > :25:27.of our economy is heavily dependent on unskilled hard-working migrants
:25:28. > :25:29.from the European Union. Does he accept there is likely to still be
:25:30. > :25:33.some unskilled migration in this country after we leave the EU and if
:25:34. > :25:36.so, will it still be the case if at present that legally unskilled
:25:37. > :25:42.migrants can only come to the EU or will our migration system be global
:25:43. > :25:46.too? He's right that the level of unskilled migration is likely to
:25:47. > :25:49.continue. Where from, how it's controlled, will all be a matter for
:25:50. > :25:55.the new immigration policy which will be under the control of this
:25:56. > :26:00.House. I keep returning to - my sgrob is to return the policy here
:26:01. > :26:03.-- my job. Then it's the job of this house to make the right decision in
:26:04. > :26:14.the British national interest and I'm sure we will. Thank you Mr
:26:15. > :26:19.Speaker. My constituency voted stronger than anywhere else to leave
:26:20. > :26:22.the European Union. I know that many people in Boston and Skegness will
:26:23. > :26:24.welcome the lardty and tone of the announcement today. Does the
:26:25. > :26:28.Secretary of State agree with me that when the people of Boston and
:26:29. > :26:32.Skegness voted for this country to be able to control our immigration
:26:33. > :26:35.policy and to be able to do our own trade deals, they were voting
:26:36. > :26:45.knowingly to leave the customs union and the leave the single market? I
:26:46. > :26:48.don't want to get into trying to interpret the inner thinkings of
:26:49. > :26:52.this. But the advocates on both sides of the argument during the
:26:53. > :26:55.campaign made it plain that they thought that leaving the European
:26:56. > :27:05.Union meant leaving the single market so I can't think it was a
:27:06. > :27:10.decision made in ignorance. The Secretary of State has said
:27:11. > :27:13.maintaining the common area in Northern Ireland is important. This
:27:14. > :27:16.time, for the first time ever, one partner will be a member of the
:27:17. > :27:22.European Union and one will not be. Can he give some clarity to people
:27:23. > :27:26.like myself who have a porous border with the Republic of Ireland whether
:27:27. > :27:31.the common travel area will mean the free movement of people or will it
:27:32. > :27:35.mean the freedom of movement, people, goods and capital. Because
:27:36. > :27:37.many people travel with goods and will Welsh ports be subject to
:27:38. > :27:53.customs? Firstly, he's right, and one of the
:27:54. > :27:57.things I've discussed is that. The point that came across very clearly
:27:58. > :28:00.was that the European Union is very proud of its position in the peace
:28:01. > :28:08.process and does not want to jeopardise that. So I think we've
:28:09. > :28:14.got a very - it will be treating, as indeed it was a 1949 Act, somebody
:28:15. > :28:22.will know it, treats Irish citizens the same as British and vice versa.
:28:23. > :28:25.Thank you Mr Speaker, I'm loathed to disagree with my Parliamentary
:28:26. > :28:30.neighbour, people trying to build a statue of him in my constituency at
:28:31. > :28:37.the moment. Stand that to one side, but I can't think of a single treaty
:28:38. > :28:43.between the EU and another country which uses the ECJ to organise its
:28:44. > :28:48.dispute issues. Every treaty the EU's ever signed, as far as I'm
:28:49. > :28:51.aware, either uses an international arbitration system or the World
:28:52. > :28:54.Trade Organisation. So there is absolutely no reason that the Right
:28:55. > :29:01.Honourable friend and the Government couldn't achieve that in our own
:29:02. > :29:09.negotiations. THE SPEAKER: I hope it were a
:29:10. > :29:12.speaking statue, otherwise it wouldn't fully capture it. My right
:29:13. > :29:16.honourable friend is right and indeed I cannot imagine most
:29:17. > :29:19.countries doing deals with the European Union agreeing for the
:29:20. > :29:28.European Union's own court to make the judgment. It would be an
:29:29. > :29:31.independent, of course, in general. The Secretary of State's confirmed
:29:32. > :29:36.that my constituents who're EU nationals will be used as bargaining
:29:37. > :29:40.chips to secure the rights of EU nationals living in the UK. This is
:29:41. > :29:43.already impacting our NHS, universities and the construction
:29:44. > :29:47.sector amongst other sectors of the economy. Why won't he retain the
:29:48. > :29:51.moral high ground on this issue and confirm the rights of EU nationals
:29:52. > :29:55.living this the UK and their status as values members of the community
:29:56. > :29:58.and important contributors to our economy and Public Services and then
:29:59. > :30:02.seek to hold EU countries to the same high stand ahhed of
:30:03. > :30:10.decision-making as regards the rights of UK nationals? The point
:30:11. > :30:14.about doing it as a block is that it makes nobody a bargaining chip. Once
:30:15. > :30:17.you start separating groups out, you turn the remainder into a bargaining
:30:18. > :30:23.chip and we mustn't do that. We have a legal responsibility to our own
:30:24. > :30:28.sit Zibs. -- citizens. Having said that, many times in every public
:30:29. > :30:34.forum I speak in on this subject, that we are determined to get a good
:30:35. > :30:39.guaranteed position for them. They should not worry. It needs us to get
:30:40. > :30:43.all the other countries lined up to agree with us to do it. We tried to
:30:44. > :30:49.do it, we wanted to do it earlier but we haven't been able to. We'll
:30:50. > :30:57.do it as soon as we can. Will the minister explain what will
:30:58. > :31:01.happen to fisheries? Well, with great respect to my right honourable
:31:02. > :31:06.friend, I'm not going to go into every single sedge for of the --
:31:07. > :31:10.sector of the negotiation, but it's pretty plain that we have a very
:31:11. > :31:20.strong hand on fisheries, I'll put it that way. Thank you, Mr Speaker.
:31:21. > :31:25.It's a pity the Secretary of State was unable to attend the statement
:31:26. > :31:29.by my right honourable friend, the Right Honourable Secretary of State
:31:30. > :31:33.for Northern Ireland, for if he did he'd recognise the White Paper is a
:31:34. > :31:37.catastrophe. That's what he called it in his statement. That is the
:31:38. > :31:41.White Paper. Therefore to assure members of this House that the
:31:42. > :31:48.Secretary of State - will the Secretary of State assure us that
:31:49. > :31:51.the amendment will not be revoked either before or after Brexit and
:31:52. > :31:59.that the United Kingdom Government will confirm that it will not impose
:32:00. > :32:07.a hard border with their closest European Union member, Ireland.
:32:08. > :32:12.I think I've said that many times. Thank you Mr Speaker. When
:32:13. > :32:15.Switzerland voted in 2014 to restrict immigration, their future
:32:16. > :32:20.participation in key EU research programmes was thrown into doubt.
:32:21. > :32:22.Just a few weeks from the deadline they've reached a compromise
:32:23. > :32:28.allowing them full participation. But this return for free movement
:32:29. > :32:32.with some tweaks. Our science and research and university sector
:32:33. > :32:35.demands no less. Today the Prime Minister offered no more than
:32:36. > :32:40.aspiration, no plan at all for the sector. Two years of uncertainty
:32:41. > :32:43.will do huge damage. Just how much damage is this Government prepared
:32:44. > :32:49.to countenance to one of our key sectors? Well, as nonsense questions
:32:50. > :32:54.go, that pretty much takes the biscuit. We've made it very plain
:32:55. > :33:01.indeed, very plain indeed what we intend here. We are a dominant
:33:02. > :33:07.scientific power in European Union, we have worked night and day to
:33:08. > :33:11.ensure we guarantee the position of students. We will continue to do
:33:12. > :33:19.that. If he just plays it down, he'll do harm to the very sector
:33:20. > :33:22.he's supposedly trying to protect. Given almost everything that's been
:33:23. > :33:26.said by the Prime Minister, and by the Brexit secretary today, is
:33:27. > :33:29.incompatible with the Scottish Government, Scotland in Europe
:33:30. > :33:33.compromise document, how does the UK Government plan to honour the
:33:34. > :33:37.promise to take seriously those proposals, unless the Government now
:33:38. > :33:43.plans to explore all options to support continuing Scottish
:33:44. > :33:47.membership of the single market? As I answered earlier, we've got
:33:48. > :33:53.that paper to appear before us in a few days' time. There is more than
:33:54. > :34:01.just one component to it, of course. He talks as if it's only about the
:34:02. > :34:05.so-called opt-out, they call it. But there's also questions in it about
:34:06. > :34:09.devolution and about the treatment of employment. There's a question
:34:10. > :34:12.about immigration. All of which we'll discuss at that time and we'll
:34:13. > :34:17.treat it seriously, as we always have.
:34:18. > :34:24.At the weekend it was reported that Michelle Barney, the EU negotiator
:34:25. > :34:28.was prepared to contemplate a special deal for the city and the UK
:34:29. > :34:33.Government have indicated they might look at special sector of deals for
:34:34. > :34:37.the city and Nissan. Does the Secretary of State accept that there
:34:38. > :34:43.is scope for the differentiated deal which the Scottish Government seeks
:34:44. > :34:47.if he and his Prime Minister have the political will to support it?
:34:48. > :34:53.Very unusually for the honourable lady she's not quite got Michelle
:34:54. > :34:58.Barnier's statement right. What he is reported as saying I think he
:34:59. > :35:01.subsequently denied it, is that he saw there were risks to the
:35:02. > :35:05.financial stability of the European Union if they did not maintain open
:35:06. > :35:09.access for the City of London. But she's also wrong in saying that we
:35:10. > :35:17.have talked about special deals, for any sector, we haven't. The aim of
:35:18. > :35:20.the British Government is to ensure that the whole economy succeeds as a
:35:21. > :35:29.result of this policy, not just one part of it and that includes
:35:30. > :35:32.Scotland too. The Secretary of State says that no
:35:33. > :35:38.deal is better than a bad deal. But what he is not being clear about is
:35:39. > :35:42.that no deal is a bad deal. Given the Chancellor told the Treasury
:35:43. > :35:46.committee that the Prime Minister should enter the negotiations with
:35:47. > :35:49.the widest possible range of options available, why is the Government
:35:50. > :35:53.today chosen to rule out the best possible deal with the European
:35:54. > :35:56.Union, which is membership of the single market, membership of the
:35:57. > :36:00.customs union and as a result free flowing goods and trade with the
:36:01. > :36:03.largest single market in the world on our own doorstep and access for
:36:04. > :36:08.British businesses to half a billion customers?
:36:09. > :36:11.Well, I don't know where the honourable gentleman was on 23 June
:36:12. > :36:21.but the British people pretty much rejected that.
:36:22. > :36:26.Brexit is a bigger factor in the political discolouration in Northern
:36:27. > :36:30.Ireland at the minute, partly because the Good Friday Agreement
:36:31. > :36:33.had common membership of the EU absolutely Jermaine to it and its
:36:34. > :36:38.institutions. The Secretary of State would need to recognise that any
:36:39. > :36:41.negotiations which follow these elections are going to follow
:36:42. > :36:44.returning to and renewing fundamentals of the Good Friday
:36:45. > :36:47.Agreement, that means people are going to be looking in respect of
:36:48. > :36:51.Strand 2 about ensuring that the island of Ireland can work and be
:36:52. > :36:55.worked as part of the European economic area into the future. The
:36:56. > :37:01.question of when rights, when powers over rights are transferred or
:37:02. > :37:05.devolved after the great repale bill will be a political area because
:37:06. > :37:09.nobody in Northern Ireland is going to trust this House with diluting
:37:10. > :37:13.rights before powers are then devolved where any attempt to prove
:37:14. > :37:20.them with be vet I doed by the DUP as we have seen in the past. It
:37:21. > :37:24.would be like asking Attila the Hun to mind your horse. Not sure I get
:37:25. > :37:28.the reference. That's one of the reasons I wrote to the Northern
:37:29. > :37:31.Ireland executive to make sure that we had representation in a joint
:37:32. > :37:35.Ministerial committee during the course of this election process. I
:37:36. > :37:43.don't foresee removal of any rights. As I said to a member in the Labour
:37:44. > :37:46.Party earlier, my expectation is that this is one area where we
:37:47. > :37:49.expect a great deal of co-operation from the European Commission to get
:37:50. > :37:56.an outcome which is beneficial for everybody.
:37:57. > :38:01.Can the Secretary of State tell the House why the other 27 members of
:38:02. > :38:06.the European Union should give the UK the Ben fits of single market
:38:07. > :38:10.membership without the costs with a bespoke deal that gives barrier free
:38:11. > :38:14.and tariff free access to the single market when it sets a precedent and
:38:15. > :38:19.an incentive for other EU states to leave the European Union, how is
:38:20. > :38:24.that good for them? At the risk of repeating myself, to
:38:25. > :38:27.pick one industry, one country, German car industry sells 800,000
:38:28. > :38:36.cars a year to the United Kingdom. I think it has every interest in
:38:37. > :38:40.keeping that market open. The Prime Minister in her speech
:38:41. > :38:47.this morning ended on a very gracious note. She said that the
:38:48. > :38:53.victors in the Brexit debate in the UK should be magnanimous towards
:38:54. > :38:56.those who lost. I put it to the Minister that magnanimous accepting
:38:57. > :39:00.Scotland wants to stay in the single market and that discussions from now
:39:01. > :39:06.on should at least leave the door open to that ask from Scotland.
:39:07. > :39:09.As I said earlier that's - I said this to Mike Russell, that I have
:39:10. > :39:13.not commented publicly on the report, even though I have read it
:39:14. > :39:16.in detail, because I want to have an open discussion about it later. But
:39:17. > :39:23.it does not mean that we are going to agree on everything but we are
:39:24. > :39:28.going to treat it with respect. The EU is in the process of concluding
:39:29. > :39:32.international trade deals with, for example, Japan and Canada, which the
:39:33. > :39:35.UK Government has warmly supported believing they'll be good for the UK
:39:36. > :39:38.economy, for example in the case of the Japanese deal I understand that
:39:39. > :39:43.the UK Government estimate that is it could be worth 5 billion annually
:39:44. > :39:47.to the British economy. How quickly can those deals be replaced when we
:39:48. > :39:51.leave the European Union and what modelling has the Government done of
:39:52. > :39:55.the potential cost to our economy if they can't quickly be replaced with
:39:56. > :39:58.new deals? Little point modelling what's not
:39:59. > :40:03.going to happen. The expectation is for many of the deals, the most
:40:04. > :40:06.important ones for us, we will get, as it were, an immediate transfer
:40:07. > :40:10.and then we will start talking about improving the deals between us. Not
:40:11. > :40:13.all the European trade deals have actually been that beneficial for
:40:14. > :40:23.Britain and some of these we could certainly improve.
:40:24. > :40:27.I know the Secretary of State's assertion to control our own laws
:40:28. > :40:30.and end the authority of the European Court of justice in the
:40:31. > :40:34.United Kingdom, and I want to put on record I support that proposal. When
:40:35. > :40:38.that takes place what will be the authority or standing of any
:40:39. > :40:41.decision relative to the United Kingdom that has already been taken
:40:42. > :40:46.by the European Court for the United Kingdom?
:40:47. > :40:52.If he is talking about the standing of case law, which I assume is what
:40:53. > :40:56.he means really, that will be frozen at the point that we leave then it's
:40:57. > :41:05.up to us in this House whether we change that.
:41:06. > :41:10.Free trade in goods is much easier to achieve than the free flow of
:41:11. > :41:14.services where non-tariff problems - barriers are the problem. How will
:41:15. > :41:18.the Government seek to ensure the continued success over time of the
:41:19. > :41:26.UK financial service exports to Europe when we will no longer get a
:41:27. > :41:31.say in the regulatory harp Monday ieation that's facilitated that
:41:32. > :41:38.success so far. City UK which an trr in the area he is talking about,
:41:39. > :41:42.talking about mutual recognition and an ex-terrible, rather than
:41:43. > :41:45.passporting. We haven't arrived at a conclusion on that yet. He is quite
:41:46. > :41:49.right, the goods side of it will be easier than that part lay because
:41:50. > :41:52.the single market is incomplete any way in services but that
:41:53. > :41:56.notwithstanding we have been successful in this area and he may
:41:57. > :42:03.take it as read that we will continue to facilitate that success.
:42:04. > :42:08.The Secretary of State will know that my constituency was the largest
:42:09. > :42:12.vote Leave constituency in Northern Ireland, one of the largest vote
:42:13. > :42:20.Leave constituencies in the United Kingdom. Can he confirm that it will
:42:21. > :42:22.not fall for some flawed, special status, half-in, half-out
:42:23. > :42:26.arrangement that's currently being sought by some people, that it will
:42:27. > :42:30.give my constituents absolute clarity and certainty that the
:42:31. > :42:32.Brexit deal will apply to all of Northern Ireland in this same way as
:42:33. > :42:37.apply to the people in his constituency?
:42:38. > :42:43.Yes, it will apply across the whole of the United Kingdom, as I said I
:42:44. > :42:49.am trying not to predate other discussions. I will say this is that
:42:50. > :42:51.in what we are doing in this negotiation, the interests of
:42:52. > :42:59.Northern Ireland, particularly the interests of his constituency, will
:43:00. > :43:02.be at the forefront of our thoughts. Three-quarters of my fellow citizens
:43:03. > :43:05.in the great City of Edinburgh voted not to turn their back on the
:43:06. > :43:10.European Union. Therefore, you will forgive me if I wholeheartedly do
:43:11. > :43:14.not welcome today's statements. However, I do welcome the Secretary
:43:15. > :43:16.of State's now repeated suggestion that he will take seriously the
:43:17. > :43:23.proposals of the Scottish Government. Let me press him on this
:43:24. > :43:28.matter. Some in his party have said that there can be no differentential
:43:29. > :43:31.arrangements in the nations post-Brexit on principle, even when
:43:32. > :43:35.it can be demonstrated they nr the benefit of the UK as a whole. Does
:43:36. > :43:40.he share that view or will he consider proposals on their merits?
:43:41. > :43:44.What I said already is that we will respect the view of the Scottish
:43:45. > :43:48.Government on this but what I have also said it doesn't mean we agree
:43:49. > :43:56.with all parts of it. Let me give one practical issue, which I have to
:43:57. > :44:02.deal with, if nobody else, and that is that the leading Norwegian
:44:03. > :44:06.members of FEDA have said that aspect he refers to will not work
:44:07. > :44:10.for them and the Spanish Minister said it would not work for them
:44:11. > :44:19.either, so we have hurdles to get over before that -- before that
:44:20. > :44:22.becomes a runner. The new Brit tappic isolation that
:44:23. > :44:26.the Government now seeks cannot be at the expense of EU nationals in
:44:27. > :44:30.this country or UK nationals in Europe. The Secretary of State has
:44:31. > :44:33.said he has tried to resolve this issue, they wanted to do so sometime
:44:34. > :44:37.ago, so can he tell us exactly what the problem s what's the barrier in
:44:38. > :44:42.his way from resolving that and how do we best get it lifted?
:44:43. > :44:50.It requires all the members of the European Union togethers to agree.
:44:51. > :44:54.The Prime Minister's fixation with leaving the jurisdiction of the
:44:55. > :44:58.European Court of justice clearly risks jeopardising the extent of our
:44:59. > :45:02.ongoing co-operation in EU justice in home affairs issue, which she
:45:03. > :45:05.says also she values. If those ambitions Clwyd surely the Secretary
:45:06. > :45:09.of State would agree that the issue of security must trump the issue of
:45:10. > :45:12.leaving the European courts jurisdiction. We have security
:45:13. > :45:16.arrangements with other allies which do not run into that problem.
:45:17. > :45:26.America, for a start. So I wouldn't think that's an issue.
:45:27. > :45:30.No deal is better than a bad deal. I am perplexed by this. How could a
:45:31. > :45:35.negotiated deal possibly be worse than something that the Secretary of
:45:36. > :45:39.State refers to as a cliff-edge? Is he really that bad at negotiation?
:45:40. > :45:43.The honourable gentleman over there referred to a deal in which we had
:45:44. > :45:48.to take all sorts of penalties from all sorts of European nations, that
:45:49. > :45:53.would be a bad deal. Of all the laws and regulation that
:45:54. > :45:56.is will be democratically repatriated to this parliament by
:45:57. > :46:00.the great Repeal bill, which is the first one that the Secretary of
:46:01. > :46:03.State himself would like to see reformed or repealed and when the
:46:04. > :46:06.bill goes through can he guarantee that the rights of this particlement
:46:07. > :46:12.to scrutinise legislation will be maintained and the bill will not be
:46:13. > :46:20.the great power grab? The first one to repeal, I don't
:46:21. > :46:26.have a favourite there. I will tell him the last one, and the last one
:46:27. > :46:30.is the protection of the employment rights of UK citizens both in
:46:31. > :46:34.Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom, because I made the promise
:46:35. > :46:41.from the first day in this job that that's one thing we are not going to
:46:42. > :46:44.change. I am most grateful to the Secretary
:46:45. > :46:51.of State for the experience of the last one hour and 46 minutes in
:46:52. > :46:56.which we could - and my understanding is that no fewer than
:46:57. > :46:58.84 back bench members had the opportunity to question the right
:46:59. > :47:03.honourable gentleman so I hope that there has been a decent exploration
:47:04. > :47:09.of the issues. I congratulate the right honourable gentleman on the
:47:10. > :47:16.strength of his knee muscles. Point of order. Thank you. MrSpeaker, last
:47:17. > :47:20.week during questions I asked the Minister for disabled people health
:47:21. > :47:24.and work how people with mental health issues could continue to
:47:25. > :47:29.receive appropriate support if the Glasgow Jobcentres were closed. The
:47:30. > :47:33.Minister responded by saying and I quote, my honourable friend the
:47:34. > :47:39.Minister for welfare reform has met Scottish ministers to discuss the
:47:40. > :47:44.issue. Firstly, there is currently no Minister for welfare reform and
:47:45. > :47:47.secondly, I have been informed by Scottish Ministerial colleagues no
:47:48. > :47:54.such meetings have taken place. Would it be in order for the
:47:55. > :48:03.Minister to come back to the chamber to clarify the situation? I was
:48:04. > :48:08.about to respond but I see that the Minister on the Treasury bench is
:48:09. > :48:13.very anxious to catch my eye and I don't want to disappoint her.
:48:14. > :48:17.Minister. Thank you. Further to that point of order, in my answer I said
:48:18. > :48:22.my honourable friend the Minister for employment has met with all the
:48:23. > :48:26.MPs concerned about those locations across Glasgow and my honourable
:48:27. > :48:31.friend the Minister for welfare reform has met Scottish ministers to
:48:32. > :48:36.discuss this issue, referring to the honourable member for Romsey. I
:48:37. > :48:39.should have said the Minister for welfare delivery. The Minister for
:48:40. > :48:45.welfare reform is in the House of Lords. For that, I profusely
:48:46. > :48:49.apologise. On these matters and others, not least devolution of
:48:50. > :48:54.welfare, our doors are always open to meet with Scottish ministers and
:48:55. > :48:59.good outcomes are contingent on good dialogue. I would not want this
:49:00. > :49:04.point of order to give an otherwise contrary impression.
:49:05. > :49:12.I think that's a very gracious acknowledgement of the situation by
:49:13. > :49:16.the Minister and I feel the nod of the head confirms she's content with
:49:17. > :49:19.that outcome. So I thank the Minister on the Treasury bench and
:49:20. > :49:23.we will leave it there. If there are no further points of
:49:24. > :49:26.order I think we come to the ten-minute rule motion for which the
:49:27. > :49:35.honourable gentleman has been so patiently waiting.
:49:36. > :49:42.I beg to move for leave to be give than I bring in a bill for people to
:49:43. > :49:45.give his or her instructions for burial matters legally binding on
:49:46. > :49:47.their personal representative or beneficiary to enable a person to
:49:48. > :49:52.make provision about the use of a burr ideal space he or she acquired
:49:53. > :49:56.while living after a person's burial and for connected purposes. It's
:49:57. > :50:01.been a surprising two months for me in Parliament. I've been talking a
:50:02. > :50:03.lot about death. We don't talk a lot about it inside or outside
:50:04. > :50:07.Parliament given we all die though it should be more of a surprise that
:50:08. > :50:12.we do not talk more about death. Apart from times when we are near to
:50:13. > :50:17.death or personally affected by it, or when some of us plan for it in a
:50:18. > :50:20.will, death is not usually on the agenda. There is an opportunity in
:50:21. > :50:24.the week of the 8th May, death awareness week, to talk more about
:50:25. > :50:28.death and I commend that to the honourable members.
:50:29. > :50:33.Let's hope, Mr Speaker, that week will not coincide with the final
:50:34. > :50:38.moments of our believed Arsenal's champions ambitions. Last month, I
:50:39. > :50:44.steered through a private Bill which the minister who is present will
:50:45. > :50:49.recall which gives our local new Southgate cemetery the power to use
:50:50. > :50:55.old graves which will need to be replicated in the UK to make more
:50:56. > :50:58.spaces available. There is a distressing case of one of my
:50:59. > :51:02.constituents watching in the gallery. After Marion's father died
:51:03. > :51:07.in 2009, her mother gave money to her sister to buy him a plot on her
:51:08. > :51:11.behalf. Unbeknown to the mother, her daughter registered the grave in her
:51:12. > :51:15.name and gained exclusive rights to decide who is buried and what
:51:16. > :51:19.monument is placed on the grave. When Marion's mother died in 2014,
:51:20. > :51:23.she assumed ownership of her late husband's grave and Marion also
:51:24. > :51:29.appointed next of kin. Her dying wish was to have her ashes scattered
:51:30. > :51:32.on her late husband's grave. It was only when Marion contacted the
:51:33. > :51:35.cemetery to make the necessary arrangements that it came to light
:51:36. > :51:39.that her sister, now estranged from the rest of the family, was the
:51:40. > :51:45.grave owner. She's refused to allow her mother's ashes to be scattered
:51:46. > :51:49.on her father's grave. Or even allow a stone to be erected. Marion's
:51:50. > :51:57.asked me, along with her family, to change the law so that wishes of
:51:58. > :52:04.mothers and fathers can be honoured and not thwarted. The most high
:52:05. > :52:10.profile case stemmed from the remains of Richard III. Descendants
:52:11. > :52:12.of the King pitted against the less notorious the then Lord Chancellor
:52:13. > :52:18.my right honourable friend the member for Epsom and York. They
:52:19. > :52:25.attempted to have their ancestor laid to rest in York Minster to have
:52:26. > :52:49.plans to have him buried there some 115 years ago. His body remained in
:52:50. > :52:54.Leicester, in spite of his wishes. When relatives are unable to fulfil
:52:55. > :52:58.the wishes of a departed loved one. A nan died leaving four daughters
:52:59. > :53:02.behind, a decision was made to put the deeds of the grave in the name
:53:03. > :53:05.of the youngest daughter. She became unwell and uncontactable. When the
:53:06. > :53:09.late nan's sister died and wished to be interned in the family grave,
:53:10. > :53:15.there were problems. It took six years to sort out and eventually get
:53:16. > :53:19.an updated headstone on the grave. Grave owners shouldn't be able to
:53:20. > :53:23.block out other family members from their family grave. I read on
:53:24. > :53:27.various forums of family disputes arriving from remarriage where say
:53:28. > :53:30.the father dies and step mother arranges the funeral, pays for the
:53:31. > :53:36.grave and registers ownership in her name. She gains exclusive rights to
:53:37. > :53:39.erect a memorial and pass on future use of the grave to her family at
:53:40. > :53:44.the exclusion of the late husband's family. Or there is the example of
:53:45. > :53:48.the grave plot being put in the name of the older son on the insistence
:53:49. > :53:56.of the directors. The aggrieved young sister is now concerned that
:53:57. > :54:04.if her mother dies is and is buried to a family plot, she the sister
:54:05. > :54:13.says, I don't know where I'll be buried, I don't have any other
:54:14. > :54:20.family. There is an issue raised to me in
:54:21. > :54:25.Sussex where there's refusal to allow internment of ashes to a grave
:54:26. > :54:29.because a relative moved out of the parish to retirement and lived 0.3
:54:30. > :54:33.miles from the boundary despite being resident in the former village
:54:34. > :54:40.for some 50 years. Finally there is the connected issue
:54:41. > :54:45.of funeral arrangements. They're cases when the deceased, such as for
:54:46. > :54:47.a religious funeral, may be at odds with the arrangements of the
:54:48. > :54:51.surviving family. All the cases, as has been mentioned in the House now
:54:52. > :54:57.on many occasions when funerals cost too much and lead to funeral
:54:58. > :55:02.property so were highlighted by the experience and campaigning of the
:55:03. > :55:07.honourable member for Swansea East. Madam Deputy Speaker, arrangements
:55:08. > :55:10.for burials and funerals have become bureaucratic and expensive and in
:55:11. > :55:14.some cases contrary to the wishes of the person who's died. We can and
:55:15. > :55:20.must do Bert. We cannot say we have been warned in this House. Since
:55:21. > :55:24.2004, the then Home Secretary Deb said, our burial law is out-of-date
:55:25. > :55:27.and needs reform -- we can do better.
:55:28. > :55:32.There was a conclusion in 2007, there was public support for reform
:55:33. > :55:35.but it's not a priority. My burial rights reform Bill today
:55:36. > :55:40.provides an opportunity to give collar the I to relatives who're
:55:41. > :55:45.confused and aggrieved by the opaque laws in relation to funeral and
:55:46. > :55:49.burial arrangements. The law is clear to the extent that dead bodies
:55:50. > :55:58.have no rights. In common law there is no property in body. The
:55:59. > :56:02.overriding legal maximum is that the only lawful possession of a corpse
:56:03. > :56:06.is the earth. Perhaps more surprising, there are no laws
:56:07. > :56:11.governing funerals but only the disposal of bodies, even a will
:56:12. > :56:14.setting out our funeral wishes is not legally binding because wills
:56:15. > :56:19.are about property and not about a dead body. Recent court cases have
:56:20. > :56:22.tried to apply the Human Rights Act to apply rights on a dead body but
:56:23. > :56:28.the law is unclear. To follow a theme that we have heard about
:56:29. > :56:36.today, it's about time Parliament takes control on burial issue rights
:56:37. > :56:43.or the wishes of a person who's died and their wishes.
:56:44. > :56:47.Normally these actions take place without concern and is normally done
:56:48. > :56:50.by the next of kin of the deceased. The problem is this exclusive right
:56:51. > :56:53.of burial is determined by whoever buys the lease for the grave plot.
:56:54. > :56:58.If your name is not on the deed, you've got no right to be buried
:56:59. > :57:03.there or have a memorial or enscription put on that grave. My
:57:04. > :57:07.Bill will ensure that the wishes of the person are properly carried out
:57:08. > :57:11.by surviving relatives and that the ownership of graves shouldn't mean
:57:12. > :57:15.exclusive rights for one family member to use against another. The
:57:16. > :57:19.only answer when there is a family dispute about grave ownership
:57:20. > :57:24.currently is to consult a solicitor and conduct expensive litigation.
:57:25. > :57:30.The issue of respecting the wishes of the deceased commands a less
:57:31. > :57:33.contentious approach. There should be a requirement for parties to take
:57:34. > :57:36.greater responsibility for their consideration for the deceased
:57:37. > :57:42.wishes for burial arrangements and to give greater significance to any
:57:43. > :57:46.existing will or public register. A proposed Bill is a public burial
:57:47. > :57:49.register similar to the organs donation register allowing wishes to
:57:50. > :57:55.be clearly identified without necessarily having a will and
:57:56. > :57:59.avoiding subsequent family disputes. A clearly expressed binding electric
:58:00. > :58:11.laration of our final wishes will seek to remove the pressures of
:58:12. > :58:14.burial issues at such a testing time -- binding declaration. Perhaps
:58:15. > :58:21.there can be no better way to honour the dead than to give life to the
:58:22. > :58:25.their final wishes. THE SPEAKER: The question is that
:58:26. > :58:31.the honourable member have leave to bring in his Bill. Chris Bryant.
:58:32. > :58:34.Madam Deputy Speaker. I pay tribute to the honourable member for
:58:35. > :58:38.advancing this cause today but I can't agree with him and I'll
:58:39. > :58:43.explain why. I've probably conducted more funerals than anybody else in
:58:44. > :58:46.this chamber when I was a curate in All Saints High Wycombe. The first
:58:47. > :58:51.funeral I did, the undertaker put his glasses in his top pocket, as he
:58:52. > :58:54.lent over to let the coffin down into the grave, and the glasses fell
:58:55. > :59:00.on top of the coffin and he then had to clamber in on top. The second
:59:01. > :59:02.funeral I conducted was at the crematorium and unfortunately the
:59:03. > :59:08.organist at the end of the service played, smoke gets in your eyes,
:59:09. > :59:14.which was everybody else realised was somewhat inappropriate. The last
:59:15. > :59:19.funeral I conducted, the family was very, very divided and the
:59:20. > :59:22.ex-husband was not instraighted to the funeral but suddenly appeared in
:59:23. > :59:25.the middle of the service and started shouting and screaming at me
:59:26. > :59:30.and the family all shouted "how on earth did you get here, we locked
:59:31. > :59:34.you in the bathroom" and he said "you didn't lock the bathroom window
:59:35. > :59:38.so I climbed out and climbed down the ivy".
:59:39. > :59:43.So I've seen a lot of funerals and I know the pain and difficulty of
:59:44. > :59:48.which the honourable member speaks. But my beef is not particularly with
:59:49. > :59:53.the remedy that he's seeking, though I think to be honest burial reform
:59:54. > :59:58.and funeral reform in general needs to be conducted on the basis of a
:59:59. > :00:05.Law Commission proposal so that it binds the whole of the legal
:00:06. > :00:07.profession and takes it out of party political discussion, du it's more
:00:08. > :00:12.to do with the fact that, as he started, of course, as we start with
:00:13. > :00:15.every ten-minute rule Bill, he begs leave to introduce his Bill and I
:00:16. > :00:20.don't think we should give him leave to introduce his Bill. I say so for
:00:21. > :00:24.a very simple point which is that we have only five more Fridays when
:00:25. > :00:27.we'll be sitting this session before the end of this session when any
:00:28. > :00:31.Bill will have to become law. It will have to have gone through all
:00:32. > :00:38.three stages in this House and in the House of Lords, or will simply
:00:39. > :00:43.fall. There are 73 Bills private members Bills all ready seeking
:00:44. > :00:48.second reading on the order paper of future order papers to be considered
:00:49. > :00:51.on the five days. Plus, there are bills that have been given second
:00:52. > :00:55.reading, quite a lot of them in fact, one of them is in committee,
:00:56. > :01:00.that's the homelessness bill honoured by the member for harrow
:01:01. > :01:08.East and will be coming out of the committee tomorrow. Then in the
:01:09. > :01:13.normal process, it should be the awards of Valuev ourself Private
:01:14. > :01:16.Members Bill honoured by the member for Dartford that goes into
:01:17. > :01:19.committee followed one would have thought by the one for my right
:01:20. > :01:23.honourable friend for North West Durham which is the Parliamentary
:01:24. > :01:27.constituency's amendment bill. But so far, the Government has not yet
:01:28. > :01:31.brought forward a money resolution and is not saying whether it's going
:01:32. > :01:35.to let that happen at all. In addition to that, the Government
:01:36. > :01:39.only this week has said it's turned its back on the reforms to the
:01:40. > :01:44.Private Members Bills process that the procedure committee have called
:01:45. > :01:48.for in successive years and successive Members of Parliament. So
:01:49. > :01:50.even if every single element of what the honourable member is proposing
:01:51. > :01:57.were right, the truth of the matter is, it's an act of deception for the
:01:58. > :02:01.House to send it into its next process, to allow him to present its
:02:02. > :02:06.Bill because the truth of the matter is, it has absolutely no chance of
:02:07. > :02:10.getting anywhere. So I make the speech, madam deputy spiker, for the
:02:11. > :02:14.simple reason that I think we could use our Friday mornings better. We
:02:15. > :02:18.should not have a system of private members Bills which mines that we
:02:19. > :02:21.completely and utterly waste our time and deceive the public about
:02:22. > :02:26.the true process of what is happening in this House.
:02:27. > :02:30.Consequently I say, I disagree with the honourable gentleman, though I
:02:31. > :02:34.applaud his motives. THE SPEAKER: Hm! The question is
:02:35. > :02:39.that the honourable member have leave to bring in the Bill while the
:02:40. > :02:48.House has a big decision to make. As many are of that opinion say aye. As
:02:49. > :02:55.many of the contrary say no. I think the ayes have it. The ayes have it.
:02:56. > :03:05.Who will prepare and bring in the Bill?
:03:06. > :03:35.(Reads out the list of those who'll bring in the Bill)
:03:36. > :03:50.THE SPEAKER: Burial Rights Reform Bill. Second reading what day? 24th
:03:51. > :04:00.March. 24th March. 24th March. Order. We now come to the opposition
:04:01. > :04:05.day. Motion in the name of the leader of the Scottish National
:04:06. > :04:13.Party on the effect of the UK leaving the EU, on the rural
:04:14. > :04:22.economy. The amendment in the name of the Prime Minister.
:04:23. > :04:32.Thank you very much. I beg to move that this House is concerned at the
:04:33. > :04:37.impact on the rural economy of the United Kingdom leaving the European
:04:38. > :04:43.Union. We want to use this debate today to consider the significant
:04:44. > :04:47.and tangible benefits the EU membership has afforded the Scottish
:04:48. > :04:52.rural community through funding, trade and freedom of movement. These
:04:53. > :04:56.benefits must be acknowledged and the Government must offer a clear
:04:57. > :05:01.statement prior to triggering Article 50 on how they intend to
:05:02. > :05:07.mitigate the impact of leaving the EU when it comes to rural areas.
:05:08. > :05:12.They must do so now because the combined threat of the loss of
:05:13. > :05:18.direct funding, end to tariff free trading and the abolition of free
:05:19. > :05:21.movement of people could have devastating consequences for rural
:05:22. > :05:29.communities across Scotland and indeed the rest of the UK. The Prime
:05:30. > :05:35.Minister puts forward 12 points today but people in my constituency
:05:36. > :05:43.are not reassured because it lacks detail and certainty. We are told
:05:44. > :05:47.that Brexit is about a more global Britain and that this process will
:05:48. > :05:51.represent a clean break. Well let me be absolutely clear in stating how
:05:52. > :05:57.far removed from reality that rhetoric is. Under the Government's
:05:58. > :06:02.current direction of travel Brexit will not be a clear break for the
:06:03. > :06:06.sheep farmers in my constituency whose produce could face prohibitive
:06:07. > :06:11.tariffs and whose direct support payments could be wiped out. It will
:06:12. > :06:15.not and clean break for the fish processors in Shetland where more
:06:16. > :06:20.fish was landed than in the entirety of England and Wales in 2015 but
:06:21. > :06:24.whose access to the largest seafood market in the world is now under
:06:25. > :06:29.question. Nor will there be a clean break for the soft fruit farmer in
:06:30. > :06:34.Angus when the plug is pulled on seasonal labour, his business needs
:06:35. > :06:38.to function. It will not be a clean break for the most remote highland
:06:39. > :06:43.communities that are now contemplating the loss of hundreds
:06:44. > :06:47.of millions of pounds in European regional development funding. We
:06:48. > :06:55.find ourselves facing a combination once again of Tory indifference to
:06:56. > :07:00.the needs of the Scottish economy and a dramatic democratic deficit. I
:07:01. > :07:03.will give way. I am very grateful to the honourable gentleman for giving
:07:04. > :07:06.way and he and his party are optimistic people and rays of
:07:07. > :07:11.sunshine in this House, I wonder if he can't see any possible benefit to
:07:12. > :07:14.the Scottish rural economy, particularly fisheries, the European
:07:15. > :07:21.policy on which decimated the Scottish fishing industry. I thank
:07:22. > :07:28.the honourable member. You will find that we are optimists at heart. But
:07:29. > :07:32.what this debate is about is the reality, it's about the implications
:07:33. > :07:36.for the rural economy and I will with great delight return to the
:07:37. > :07:41.matter of fishing. I would like to make more progress and I promise I
:07:42. > :07:50.will give way in a little bit more time. Nowhere - I apologise. As with
:07:51. > :07:57.many complex challenges of Brexit pile-up, we knead to remember that
:07:58. > :08:01.real political leadership is about finding solutions, not soundbites.
:08:02. > :08:08.Our debate is necessary - one moment. Our debate is necessary to
:08:09. > :08:11.ensure that the Government does not overlook or downplay all the
:08:12. > :08:15.possible outcomes of Brexit, they must not walk away from the policy
:08:16. > :08:22.vacuum that is opening up before our eyes. I will give way. I am
:08:23. > :08:26.grateful. If we devolve more agricultural policy powers to the
:08:27. > :08:32.Scottish nationalists, they cannot think of a single way on which they
:08:33. > :08:37.could improve policy to help their farmers. The right honourable
:08:38. > :08:44.gentleman usually makes excellent contributions, I am afraid that was
:08:45. > :08:48.a poor one, because actually there are many ways in which we will be
:08:49. > :08:52.delighted to improve agricultural policy, so long as his Government
:08:53. > :08:56.don't do a power grab as powers return from Brussels. I would be
:08:57. > :09:03.delighted. I will happenive give way. Would my honourable friend also
:09:04. > :09:07.agree that 70% of farmers' incomes comes through CAP which is not
:09:08. > :09:12.subject to Barnet, but if it comes back to the UK it may be subject to
:09:13. > :09:16.Barnet which would leave to a significant reduction in funds
:09:17. > :09:19.available to roar Scotland? I thank my honourable friend for that
:09:20. > :09:24.excellent contribution. It brings me on to one of the first areas I want
:09:25. > :09:29.to look at, nowhere is the policy vacuum more apparent than on the
:09:30. > :09:34.issue of farm payments. Whatever the flaws, and there are flaws - I will
:09:35. > :09:39.give way. Could I thank my honourable friend for giving way and
:09:40. > :09:45.congratulate him on making some very compelling points. In the Northern
:09:46. > :09:51.Ireland context, we have a similar situation where 80% of farm incomes
:09:52. > :09:58.are dependent on European resources. There is a fear and would he agree
:09:59. > :10:03.with me that sort of funding is not likely to come from the Treasury,
:10:04. > :10:07.thus undermining our local rural economy and our agricultural
:10:08. > :10:10.enterprises? I thank the honourable lady for that contribution. I
:10:11. > :10:14.wholeheartedly agree and it's something I would like us to focus
:10:15. > :10:19.on in this debate, the importance of these support payments to the
:10:20. > :10:23.prosperity, not just of fafrming but of the whole rural community. We
:10:24. > :10:31.have two debates squeezed in time today. So, as I say, nowhere is the
:10:32. > :10:35.policy vacuum more apparent, because wherever its flaws, money invested
:10:36. > :10:39.in Scotland and throughout the UK and rural communities through the
:10:40. > :10:43.common agricultural policy are absolutely vital in underpinning the
:10:44. > :10:50.rural economy. As my honourable friend mentioned farm payments
:10:51. > :10:55.account for two-thirds of total net farm income in Scotland. And as has
:10:56. > :11:06.mentioned, we have 8. 4% of the population, but 32. 5% of the land
:11:07. > :11:13.mass and Scotland received 16. 5% of UKCAP funds. I will give way. I
:11:14. > :11:17.thank the honourable gentleman. Many farmers in Scotland like Lancashire
:11:18. > :11:20.will be involved in upland sheep farming which I am sure all sides of
:11:21. > :11:25.the House would acknowledge is often a difficult business for farmers.
:11:26. > :11:29.Does he not think if we leave the European Union this is an
:11:30. > :11:32.opportunity for the Government to refocus support on those most
:11:33. > :11:37.marginal of farms he is talking about, specifically the uphill farms
:11:38. > :11:42.in Lancashire and Scotland, because farmers in Lancashire are hoping for
:11:43. > :11:47.more from Brexit just as farmers in Scotland will be hoping for more. I
:11:48. > :11:52.thank him for that intervention. Sheep farm something one of our most
:11:53. > :11:55.fragile industries and I have deep concerns about the support going
:11:56. > :12:00.forward. What we must do and the point I want to make here is about
:12:01. > :12:05.the level of funding because we need the Government to step up and I
:12:06. > :12:11.would like to also come back to lamb when we look at trade because it is
:12:12. > :12:16.one of the most threatened trade areas. I will give way. I thank my
:12:17. > :12:20.honourable friend. He is being most generous in giving way. Addressing
:12:21. > :12:25.the point he made earlier in the lack of detail in the Prime
:12:26. > :12:33.Minister's statement would my honourable friend agree that the
:12:34. > :12:38.Government should have taken the report as summarised in a letter
:12:39. > :12:42.which I have here to the Secretary of State for environment, by the
:12:43. > :12:46.British ecological society, the chartered institute of ecology and
:12:47. > :12:49.environment, the institution of environmental science, these are the
:12:50. > :12:52.people we should be listening to and these are details the Government
:12:53. > :12:58.should be including in their letters. I thank my honourable
:12:59. > :13:05.friend for his intervention and it's a point well made. Agriculture is
:13:06. > :13:09.already devolved area, so as powers are repatriated from Brussels it's
:13:10. > :13:14.essential that they go directly to the Scottish Government. Any power
:13:15. > :13:18.grab from a Westminster Government would be totally unacceptable. We
:13:19. > :13:22.absolutely understand the need for levels of commonality but that is
:13:23. > :13:28.not a justification for a power grab by Westminster. We need a commitment
:13:29. > :13:32.from this Government that the existing allocation of funds will
:13:33. > :13:36.not be tampered with once the convergence is added to the 16. 5%,
:13:37. > :13:43.that is the starting point in terms of funds that should be delivered to
:13:44. > :13:46.Scotland. Now throughout last year's referendum campaign both the
:13:47. > :13:52.Secretary of State and the farming Minister who I understand is in
:13:53. > :13:57.Scotland argued for Brexit and it's now incumbent upon them to take
:13:58. > :14:01.responsibility for the commitments made during that campaign. In March
:14:02. > :14:08.last year, the farming Minister said, and I wrote, the UK Government
:14:09. > :14:14.will continue to give farmers and the environment as much support or
:14:15. > :14:17.perhaps even more as they - yet this commitment appears already to have
:14:18. > :14:22.been abandoned. Earlier this month the Secretary of State, the farming
:14:23. > :14:27.Minister and I were at the Oxford conference and both the Secretary of
:14:28. > :14:33.State and the farming Minister refused to confirm that funding
:14:34. > :14:37.would at least match levels current levels beyond 2020. Now will the
:14:38. > :14:41.Secretary of State take this opportunity today to make a clear
:14:42. > :14:46.commitment that Brexit as the farming Minister promised, will not
:14:47. > :14:50.result in a reduction in the level of funding available for farmers or
:14:51. > :14:56.is this another Brexit broken promise? Now we acknowledge that CAP
:14:57. > :15:02.is far from perfect and we recognise that there is now an opportunity to
:15:03. > :15:08.design a new and better system. We also accept that there must be a
:15:09. > :15:13.route to sustainable farming without direct income support but this must
:15:14. > :15:18.be an evolution that takes great care over the fragility of the rural
:15:19. > :15:24.economy. CAP is about much more than just farming. In Scotland, EU
:15:25. > :15:28.funding has helped to support the rollout of superfast broadband,
:15:29. > :15:34.business development, housing investment and measures to address
:15:35. > :15:37.rural fuel poverty, in addition to improvements in infrastructure and
:15:38. > :15:40.transport through regional development funds. We need the
:15:41. > :15:47.Government to explain whether it will match this kind of programme,
:15:48. > :15:52.the funding and, if so, more detail the better, please, Secretary of
:15:53. > :15:56.State. Another area where the rural economy has benefitted massively
:15:57. > :16:01.from EU membership is freedom of movement. For significant portions
:16:02. > :16:07.of the Scottish rural economy access to seasonal workforce is a vital
:16:08. > :16:18.factor in keeping their operations sustainable. At any one time between
:16:19. > :16:22.five and 15,000 non-UKEU workers are employed in Scottish agriculture
:16:23. > :16:26.alone. So we support continued freedom of movement because it's a
:16:27. > :16:32.system that works, not just for farming, and food production, but a
:16:33. > :16:39.range of sectors in rural Scotland, especially in these fragile and
:16:40. > :16:46.often ageing populations. I happily give way. I represent Angus which
:16:47. > :16:50.along with my honourable friends in Perthshire, has the most of the
:16:51. > :16:55.numbers of economic migrants into Scotland because they work in the
:16:56. > :17:01.horticultural industry. Many of these industries could not survive
:17:02. > :17:04.without that labour. Members talk about the unemployed taking the
:17:05. > :17:09.jobs, there are more migrant workers working in that industry alone than
:17:10. > :17:13.there are unemployed in our areas. Even if all those unemployed people
:17:14. > :17:19.could take up these jobs, so we do need these people and the Government
:17:20. > :17:22.need to take that into account. I notice the Secretary of State at the
:17:23. > :17:28.recent Oxford conference hinted there might be some relaxation of
:17:29. > :17:40.this and could she give more details when she comes to speak. I thank my
:17:41. > :17:47.honourable friend for -- it emphasises the point I was making.
:17:48. > :17:50.We must have powers over imI gos devolved in order to pursue our own
:17:51. > :17:56.distinct policy. Members opposite may laugh. Can I respectfully
:17:57. > :18:00.suggest that they read Scotland's place in Europe, because this is
:18:01. > :18:06.what a plan for Brexit actually looks like. Now in the meantime,
:18:07. > :18:10.though, I know the Secretary of State understands the importance of
:18:11. > :18:16.seasonal workers in particular in the rural economy, so I would like
:18:17. > :18:20.to hear today what steps DEFRA is taking to ensure the rural economy
:18:21. > :18:25.doesn't grind to a halt because seasonal workers are already
:18:26. > :18:29.beginning to look elsewhere. Now one area where members opposite get very
:18:30. > :18:36.animated and excited of course because there is an opportunity, is
:18:37. > :18:44.fishing. We welcome the chance to move beyond the common fisheries
:18:45. > :18:49.policy but we will not forget, we on these benches will not forget the
:18:50. > :18:58.circumstances in which this was all... Ted Heath, a Conservative
:18:59. > :19:03.Prime Minister, sacrificed the expendable Scottish fishing industry
:19:04. > :19:07.to gain entry to the European Economic Community. They may not
:19:08. > :19:12.like that, but that's why we are in the position we are in. We won't
:19:13. > :19:18.take lectures from any members opposite. The legacy of that deal
:19:19. > :19:26.means today that over half of the fish in our waters are caught by
:19:27. > :19:32.foreign vessels. Brexit clearly will mean the re-establishment of our
:19:33. > :19:39.exclusive economic zones but the process here is key. I hope he
:19:40. > :19:43.enjoyed his visit to Scotland. Hopefully ofs learning about the
:19:44. > :19:44.importance of honouring the level of payments that is currently received
:19:45. > :20:00.in Scottish communities. Access to the EEZ should be
:20:01. > :20:05.negotiated on an annual basis and led by Scottish ministers. These
:20:06. > :20:11.negotiations must not form part of Brexit talks. Scottish fishermen
:20:12. > :20:15.want to hear a clear commitment from the Secretary of State to the
:20:16. > :20:21.Scottish fishing industry, indeed the UK fishing industry, that it
:20:22. > :20:30.will not just be another pawn in a Brexit negotiation. Finally I would
:20:31. > :20:41.like to turn to the issue of trade. In particular the important question
:20:42. > :20:53.of access to the single market. The numbers speak for themselves. Worth
:20:54. > :20:57.?724 million in 2015. I'll give way. Just on the issue of trade and
:20:58. > :21:05.figures, in circumstances where two thirds of Scottish exports go to the
:21:06. > :21:16.UK and only 15 go to other country, why is the SNP suggesting we stay in
:21:17. > :21:20.Europe but we come out of the UK? I don't understand why members of zit
:21:21. > :21:24.don't get this. It was as though if we were to go independent we'd be
:21:25. > :21:36.cut off and float off into the Atlantic. It's not what happens. Are
:21:37. > :21:40.you seeing the Ireland Brexit minister said it would be able to
:21:41. > :21:49.trade freely with the UK but Scotland wouldn't. We buy more from
:21:50. > :21:53.you than you buy from us. THE SPEAKER: I can't let the
:21:54. > :21:57.honourable gentleman away with it. I know what he meant but maybe he
:21:58. > :22:05.could just say it the right way just to keep me happy? Apologies, Madam
:22:06. > :22:08.Deputy Speaker, I get a bit excited. I'll always be passionate defending
:22:09. > :22:14.my constituency in rural Scotland against those that want to do it
:22:15. > :22:20.harm based on hard right Tory Brexit. Thank you to my right
:22:21. > :22:23.honourable friend for giving way, he's very generous. On the subject
:22:24. > :22:27.of trade, will my right honourable friend agree with me that the EU is
:22:28. > :22:35.Scotland's growth market area where we have seen an increase in exports
:22:36. > :22:42.of 20% since 2007 in relation to goods. I thank the honourable lady,
:22:43. > :22:50.she makes an excellent point. If you look at the numbers, in terms of
:22:51. > :22:55.different industries, for fishing, 68% of Scottish seafood exports that
:22:56. > :23:02.leave the UK go to EU countries. 80% of beef and lamb exports from
:23:03. > :23:05.Scotland are destined for the EU. Now, I'm with the EU as we hear the
:23:06. > :23:11.Government try to carve out a policy. These will be at risk of
:23:12. > :23:18.tariffs. I want to just look at the risk this poses. If we take one
:23:19. > :23:21.example, red meat. Quality meat Scotland has conducted analysis that
:23:22. > :23:26.shows if we were subject to the current tariffs that apply to non-EU
:23:27. > :23:32.countries, there would be an on average 50% increase in cost for
:23:33. > :23:37.importers to buy our products. At the Oxford farming conference, the
:23:38. > :23:41.Secretary of State spoke of fields of opportunity that in the press
:23:42. > :23:49.conference afterwards admitted that the UK exports would decline if they
:23:50. > :23:53.were erected. There is the prospect that exporters in Scotland and
:23:54. > :23:59.indeed the whole UK are facing. We call upon the Secretary of State to
:24:00. > :24:03.outline what products the department thinks should be prioritised in
:24:04. > :24:08.upcoming negotiations. At the end of the day, there is no
:24:09. > :24:15.easy way to withdraw from the world's largest trading block and
:24:16. > :24:23.the search for alternative markets and compromises too. Let me give you
:24:24. > :24:30.an example. The current standing of beef, it currently stands at 26.5%.
:24:31. > :24:34.South Africa's currently 40%. Does the Government really think that
:24:35. > :24:39.alternative markets, many with lower costs of production than our own,
:24:40. > :24:50.can compensate for restricted access to the EU? The recent success of
:24:51. > :24:55.Scotland's 14 billion - I was slightly taken by that figure - ?14
:24:56. > :25:04.billion food and drink sector shows that we are already an exporting
:25:05. > :25:10.global country. New tablings cannot mitigate the economic vandalism of
:25:11. > :25:26.cutting off access to a market of 500 million people on your doorstep.
:25:27. > :25:32.Madam Deputy Speaker, if all the tangible benefits of single market
:25:33. > :25:37.membership end up being frittered away in a pursuit of red, white and
:25:38. > :25:43.blue Brexit, global Brexit, the Scottish people who've shown that
:25:44. > :25:50.they want to build, not sever their links with Europe, will recognise a
:25:51. > :25:54.familiar pattern. They'll recall the sacrifice of the Scottish fisheries
:25:55. > :25:58.when we joined the EU, that the Thatcher Government decimated the
:25:59. > :26:02.industry in the '80s, and they'll conclude this Tory Government with
:26:03. > :26:10.no mandate for the damage it may cause will wreck Scotland's rural
:26:11. > :26:14.economy and ignore our overwhelming wish to the trade links with Europe.
:26:15. > :26:21.If this Government's already made a calculation that rural Scotland is
:26:22. > :26:26.expendable in order to engineer a clean break with Europe, they can
:26:27. > :26:32.never again turn to us, turn to the people of Scotland and claim the
:26:33. > :26:37.union is a partnership of equals. Will the Government take this
:26:38. > :26:41.opportunity to recognise the potentially devastating impact that
:26:42. > :26:46.a hard Brexit could have on the Scottish rural economy? Or will they
:26:47. > :26:55.be content to make a desert or rural Scotland in the name of Brexit?
:26:56. > :26:59.THE SPEAKER: The question is as on the order paper to move the
:27:00. > :27:04.amendment in the name of the Prime Minister, Secretary of State Andrea
:27:05. > :27:07.Leadsom. Thank you. It won't surprise the honourable gentleman to
:27:08. > :27:11.know that I don't quite see it the same way he does, so I beg to move
:27:12. > :27:15.the amendment in my name and those of my right honourable friends on
:27:16. > :27:20.the order paper. I would like to start by thanking the honourable
:27:21. > :27:25.member for giving us the opportunity to debate the rural economy, a vital
:27:26. > :27:30.part of our national economy. While members on all sides of the House
:27:31. > :27:34.will know how diverse the rural economy is, much of it is
:27:35. > :27:39.underpinned by our food, farming and fisheries sectors. These industries
:27:40. > :27:45.have shaped all four parts of the UK and continue to do so. They're
:27:46. > :27:50.central to our heritage, landscapes and economic well-being. They
:27:51. > :27:54.generate ?110 billion for the economy each year and they employ
:27:55. > :28:00.one in eight of us in all parts of the UK. So we should all be proud of
:28:01. > :28:07.the world class food and drink these industries produce and the role they
:28:08. > :28:12.play in our national life. The rural economy matters enormously. So
:28:13. > :28:17.whilst leaving the EU offers huge opportunities to the farming and
:28:18. > :28:21.fisheries sector, it's vital that we provide the industry with as much
:28:22. > :28:25.continuity and certainty as we can. That's why we've already provided
:28:26. > :28:31.reassurance to all farmers across the UK that they'll receive the same
:28:32. > :28:37.level of financial support under pillar 1 until 2020 and for Rural
:28:38. > :28:40.Development Programmes, agry environment schemes and the maritime
:28:41. > :28:45.and fisheries fund, we'll guarantee projects signed before the EU for
:28:46. > :28:48.their lifetime, even when this stretch is beyond our departure from
:28:49. > :28:52.the EU. The Government will also ensure the
:28:53. > :28:57.devolved administrations are funded to meet the commitments they've made
:28:58. > :29:02.under current EU budget allocations. Given that the administration of EU
:29:03. > :29:09.funding is devolved, it will be for those administrations to decide the
:29:10. > :29:13.criteria used to assess projects. I'll give way. I thank the
:29:14. > :29:18.honourable lady for giving way. I would like to believe the promises
:29:19. > :29:24.this Government is making but of course the Government's - if we go
:29:25. > :29:27.back to the convergence uplifting criteria - Scotland wouldth was
:29:28. > :29:32.supposed to be rewarded by the funds coming from the EU, yet we are only
:29:33. > :29:35.getting 16%. We were promised a review would take place in 2016, it
:29:36. > :29:39.hasn't happened. When will that happen and when will crofters and
:29:40. > :29:42.farmers get what is due to them? The real question about devolution of
:29:43. > :29:44.agriculture to the Scottish Government and Parliament is to make
:29:45. > :29:51.sure that we get the correct funding. It's not about up to 2020,
:29:52. > :29:54.it's about what happens after that. Well, I do recognise the honourable
:29:55. > :29:57.gentleman's point and it is something that I continue to look
:29:58. > :30:01.closely at in my department and I will keep him up-to-date with
:30:02. > :30:05.progress on it. But Madam Deputy Speaker, I believe that leaving the
:30:06. > :30:08.EU will give us the chance to develop policies for the rural
:30:09. > :30:13.economy that are bespoke to the needs of this country, rather than
:30:14. > :30:17.the different approaches and circumstances of 278 different
:30:18. > :30:23.member states. As Secretary of State for DEFRA, I've made very clear my
:30:24. > :30:28.two long-term ambitions. Firstly, to make a resounding success of our
:30:29. > :30:32.world leading food and farming and fisheries industry, producing more,
:30:33. > :30:36.selling more and exporting more of our Great British food. And
:30:37. > :30:41.secondly, to become the first generation to leave the environment
:30:42. > :30:45.in a better state than we found it. These ambitions look far beyond
:30:46. > :30:50.tomorrow. They're about long-lasting change and real reform. They form
:30:51. > :30:54.the bedrock of a balanced approach to policy and the success of one is
:30:55. > :31:03.integral to the success of the other. I thank manufacture for
:31:04. > :31:07.giving way. She'll be aware that one of the difficulties under the
:31:08. > :31:13.current legislation which the sector faces is honest food labelling -- I
:31:14. > :31:17.thank my right honourable friend for giving way. It may well have been
:31:18. > :31:21.grown or farmed a long way overseas. This is a real opportunity, leaving
:31:22. > :31:25.the European Union, one real opportunity here, to have honest
:31:26. > :31:30.food labelling so we know British food is genuinely farmed and grown
:31:31. > :31:35.and produced in this country. Well, I share my right honourable
:31:36. > :31:41.friend's concerns and I can tell him that it's something we have improved
:31:42. > :31:43.on greatly through voluntary and compulsory schemes through labelling
:31:44. > :31:47.and he's right, particularly as we leave the EU.
:31:48. > :31:53.So this brings me to the mechanics of our departure from the EU. The
:31:54. > :31:57.great Repeal Bill will transpose the body of EU legislation into UK law.
:31:58. > :32:02.As UK law, we'll then be annual basis able to change or amend it at
:32:03. > :32:07.our leisure and we'll soon be publishing a Green Party consulting
:32:08. > :32:11.on a framework for the plan for the environment -- green paper. This
:32:12. > :32:14.will help inform our decisions, better connect current and future
:32:15. > :32:17.generations to the environment and ensure that investment is directed
:32:18. > :32:25.to where it will have the biggest impact on the environment.
:32:26. > :32:29.I'm sure all honourable members will agree that our constituents want
:32:30. > :32:32.clean beaches, clean air, clean water, good soil and healthy
:32:33. > :32:37.biodiversity, whether we are a member of the EU or not, and I can
:32:38. > :32:46.assure you of my full commitment to that. Will my right honourable
:32:47. > :32:50.friend make it a priority to publish proposals for the fishing industry
:32:51. > :32:54.where we can catch more of our own fish and protect our fishing grounds
:32:55. > :32:56.for the future. I'm grate. To my right honourable friend who makes a
:32:57. > :33:03.very good point about the potential for all UK fishing and I do hope
:33:04. > :33:05.that our policies, when we come to them, after consultation, will
:33:06. > :33:10.enable us to deliver exactly as he asks for.
:33:11. > :33:14.I will give way to the honourable lady.
:33:15. > :33:16.Today, the Prime Minister made a passing reference to Spanish
:33:17. > :33:21.fishermen and their interests when she was talking about doing a deal
:33:22. > :33:25.with the EU. That suggests that fishing is already in play in these
:33:26. > :33:29.negotiations so can the Secretary of State clarify, what is the Prime
:33:30. > :33:33.Minister offering to Spanish fishermen and why are they being
:33:34. > :33:38.used as pawns in this process already? Well, I can assure the
:33:39. > :33:42.honourable lady that we are not entering into any negotiations, as
:33:43. > :33:45.she will appreciate, until we have triggered Article 50. We are
:33:46. > :33:48.consulting widely with our colleagues in the devolved
:33:49. > :33:51.administrations and any negotiating positions will be discussed with
:33:52. > :33:56.them. So I don't think she needs to worry about that. However, I would
:33:57. > :34:01.like to point out to honourable members that a healthier environment
:34:02. > :34:04.will enable our world leading food, farming and fishing industry to go
:34:05. > :34:09.from strength-to-strength. As pledged in the manifesto, our
:34:10. > :34:13.upcoming green paper on food, farming and fisheries, will set out
:34:14. > :34:18.a framework for the future of the industries over the next 25 years
:34:19. > :34:27.and we'll also be consulting widely on that green paper.
:34:28. > :34:34.Auto I thank my honourable friend for giving way. With farming in
:34:35. > :34:46.Lancashire we have decisions made in Europe that damage our industry, a
:34:47. > :34:49.perfect example of this is movement of cattle between Commons counts as
:34:50. > :34:52.movement, ensuring that a farmer may have 15 movements in the life of
:34:53. > :35:00.just his herd which reduces the price that he gets at market. Will
:35:01. > :35:04.she commit to make sure that this is altered? Yes There is a lengthy
:35:05. > :35:07.answer to that but a much shorter answer which is that opportunities
:35:08. > :35:13.that arise from leaving the EU do include such points as the one he
:35:14. > :35:17.raises and in consulting on our food farming and fisheries Green Paper
:35:18. > :35:22.there will be the opportunity to make those points and seek recommend
:35:23. > :35:26.tees, I want to give a few examples of how our departure gives us
:35:27. > :35:29.specific opportunities. Firstly to design a domestic successor to the
:35:30. > :35:33.common agricultural policy that meets our needs, rather than those
:35:34. > :35:39.of farmers across the entire European Union. Secondly, to ensure
:35:40. > :35:44.our fisheries industries are competitive, sustainable and
:35:45. > :35:48.profitable. Thirdly, to make our environment cleaner, healthier and
:35:49. > :35:53.more productive. Ours will be a system that is fit for the 2 ist
:35:54. > :35:58.century, tailored to our priorities and those of our farmers, fishermen
:35:59. > :36:04.and our environment. The UK guarantee on funding was my first
:36:05. > :36:06.priority on arriving at DEFRA in the summer, it provides crucial
:36:07. > :36:11.certainty to farmers and the wider rural economy but I am conscious
:36:12. > :36:14.that many farmers and rural businesses plan much further ahead
:36:15. > :36:19.and work to much longer investment cycles so it's vital that we start
:36:20. > :36:23.planning now for life beyond 2020. So it's important that we think
:36:24. > :36:28.carefully about what happens next and develop the ideas and solutions
:36:29. > :36:32.for a world leading food and farming industry and an environment that's
:36:33. > :36:39.left in a better state than we inherited it. That will involve
:36:40. > :36:41.focussing on the industry's resilience, unlocking further
:36:42. > :36:47.productivity and building environmental considerations into
:36:48. > :36:51.our policies from the outset. I believe that the fundamentals of our
:36:52. > :36:56.food and farming sectors are strong. Food and drink is the largest
:36:57. > :37:01.manufacturing sector in the UK, bigger than cars and aerospace
:37:02. > :37:06.combined. Leaving the EU will provide more opportunities for the
:37:07. > :37:15.sector to thrive. It's important to take stock of how much we already
:37:16. > :37:21.export to outside the EU. 69% of exports of scotch whisky go to
:37:22. > :37:25.non-EU countries. Salmon exports, predominantly from Scotland, go to
:37:26. > :37:33.non-EU countries and non-EU dairy exports are up by over 90%. Leaving
:37:34. > :37:36.the EU will allow us to shape our own trade and investment
:37:37. > :37:48.opportunities, encourage even greater openness with partners in
:37:49. > :37:51.Europe and beyond. I sign seerly hope that keeps shouting will read
:37:52. > :37:54.this in Hansard, they're not interested. I will give way once
:37:55. > :37:58.they listen to me in a moment. We will shape our own trade and
:37:59. > :38:02.investment opportunities, encourage even greater openness with partners
:38:03. > :38:07.in Europe and beyond and put Britain firmly at the forefront of global
:38:08. > :38:11.trade and investment. The recent launch of our international action
:38:12. > :38:15.plan for exports with nine campaigns across a number of global markets
:38:16. > :38:20.demonstrates our ambition in this area, an ambition that builds on our
:38:21. > :38:27.strength as a great outward looking trading nation. Now turning to
:38:28. > :38:31.Scotland. Scotland has always been at the - only for good behaviour.
:38:32. > :38:36.Has always been at the heart of this success. Accounting for 30% of the
:38:37. > :38:42.UK's total exports of food, feed and drink in 2015. One of the highlights
:38:43. > :38:47.of my trip to Vietnam last year was a lunch to promote fabulous Scottish
:38:48. > :38:54.smoked salmon and Aberdeen Angus beef to Vietnamese food importers. I
:38:55. > :38:59.will give way. She mentioned planning and going forward. Will she
:39:00. > :39:05.tell me what planning and careful thinking have been doing for farmers
:39:06. > :39:08.in croft farmers and what 2020 will mean for them and their futures? My
:39:09. > :39:11.honourable friend met with the national farming union for Scotland
:39:12. > :39:15.yesterday and I met with them recently. We have been taking
:39:16. > :39:19.informal advice but at the same time as I have made very clear,
:39:20. > :39:23.unfortunately he wasn't listening, that our consultation on our Green
:39:24. > :39:28.Paper for the future, the long-term future of food, farming and
:39:29. > :39:32.fisheries is the perfect opportunity for him to represent his own
:39:33. > :39:38.crofters' interests and for them to feed back to that consultation which
:39:39. > :39:44.we will welcome that opportunity. Order. Honourable members ought to
:39:45. > :39:51.have the courtesy to listen to the Secretary of State. Secretary of
:39:52. > :39:53.State. Thank you. Scotland has a rich and varied agricultural
:39:54. > :39:57.heritage, including the grain producing lowlands in the east and
:39:58. > :40:03.beef and lamb in the uplands. It's no surprise that Scotland has a
:40:04. > :40:08.number of world beating brands, including scotch beef, lamb, black
:40:09. > :40:11.pudding and Orkney Cheddar. On my last trip to Scotland I met
:40:12. > :40:15.representatives from key industries and trade bodies vital to the
:40:16. > :40:22.Scottish rural economy, including NFU Scotland and Scotland food and
:40:23. > :40:25.drink. I was given a guided tour of one of Scotland's best known
:40:26. > :40:33.independent food companies with a turnover of almost ?24 million in
:40:34. > :40:38.2015. I was also fortunate to be shown around a bottling plant,
:40:39. > :40:43.whisky is a phenomenal global success and accounts for around one
:40:44. > :40:50.fifth of all UK food and drink exports, worth ?3. 9 billion in
:40:51. > :40:55.2015. So working with the devolved administrations I regularly meet my
:40:56. > :40:59.Ministerial counterparts in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland
:41:00. > :41:02.and I look forward to welcoming them to London for further discussions
:41:03. > :41:08.next week. I am determined that we secure a deal on leaving the EU that
:41:09. > :41:13.works for all parts of the UK and recognises the contribution that all
:41:14. > :41:19.corners of this country make to our economic success. Now leaving the EU
:41:20. > :41:23.is DEFRA's biggest focus as it is the Whitehall department most
:41:24. > :41:27.affected by the EU but alongside this the day photograph day work
:41:28. > :41:31.continues to focus on the right conditions for a thriving rural
:41:32. > :41:35.economy. While much of rural policy is devolved, in August 2015 we
:41:36. > :41:39.published the rural productivity plan for England to set the right
:41:40. > :41:45.conditions for businesses in rural areas in England to prosper and
:41:46. > :41:49.grow. Across the board Government policies will help rural communities
:41:50. > :41:53.and industrial strategy that works for all areas, delivering three
:41:54. > :41:59.million apprenticeship starts in England by 2020, including trebling
:42:00. > :42:03.the number in food, farming and agriculturetech and building more
:42:04. > :42:08.homes and providing better access to services. I thank my honourable
:42:09. > :42:12.friend for giving way. Does she believe there are huge opportunities
:42:13. > :42:19.for rural diversification that will strengthen on rural communities not
:42:20. > :42:21.least of which with outdoor recreational activities that create
:42:22. > :42:27.meaningful experiences for people to help the rural economy and physical
:42:28. > :42:32.health and well-being? Yes, that's exactly right. Reconnecting with
:42:33. > :42:37.nature, with the outdoors is incredibly good for well-being. Of
:42:38. > :42:42.course, we expect and anticipate that tourism, rural success will
:42:43. > :42:45.continue as we seek to become a more outward looking nation. I will give
:42:46. > :42:50.way. She's making a very powerful point. Would the Minister agree that
:42:51. > :42:53.there are huge opportunities in the rural industries in renewable
:42:54. > :42:57.energy, many of which are based in rural economies to build on this and
:42:58. > :43:02.to sell our technology and our innovation on the world stage which
:43:03. > :43:06.will help with climate change across the globe as well? Yes, my
:43:07. > :43:11.honourable friend is quite right. The UK is the scene of incredibly
:43:12. > :43:17.successful renewable energy schemes and many of the offshore wind
:43:18. > :43:25.projects are in Scotland which has brought prosperity to some key areas
:43:26. > :43:30.in that nation. Increasing connectivity right across the UK is
:43:31. > :43:36.vital both for businesses to be competitive and for communities to
:43:37. > :43:40.thrive. We are investing over ?780 million to make superfast broadband
:43:41. > :43:47.of at least 24 megabits per second available to 95% of UK premises by
:43:48. > :43:51.2017. But reaching the 5% this figure does not cover is absolutely
:43:52. > :43:56.key and that's why I welcome the better broadband scheme. Under this
:43:57. > :44:01.scheme those who can't get a broadband speed of at least 2
:44:02. > :44:07.megabits per second qualify for a subsidised connection with a grant
:44:08. > :44:10.available and I really do encourage anyone who is eligible for that to
:44:11. > :44:14.contact their local authority. We are also working to introduce a
:44:15. > :44:20.broadband universal service obligation by 2020 at a minimum of
:44:21. > :44:23.10 megabits per second. An additional ?442 million will make
:44:24. > :44:30.superfast broadband available to a further 2% of premises in the UK.
:44:31. > :44:33.This will be complemented by a further infrastructure investment as
:44:34. > :44:38.announced in the autumn statement. For areas with poor mobile coverage
:44:39. > :44:43.planning reforms came into force in November to facilitate the building
:44:44. > :44:47.of taller masts and make upgrading and sharing of infrastructure
:44:48. > :44:52.easier. I would like to assure members across the House that better
:44:53. > :44:57.connectivity, the key to unlocking the full potential and productivity
:44:58. > :45:01.of rural areas, will remain a priority for this Government. To
:45:02. > :45:06.conclude, our goal is to secure a deal that works for all parts of the
:45:07. > :45:12.UK. And promoting our great British food at the same time as improving
:45:13. > :45:17.our environment is central to building a strong economy that works
:45:18. > :45:22.for everyone. Thank you. Order. Before I call the spokesman
:45:23. > :45:26.for the opposition, it will be obvious that a great many people
:45:27. > :45:32.wish to speak and that we have a very short time for this debate so I
:45:33. > :45:37.warn honourable members that there will be initially a time limit of
:45:38. > :45:40.four minutes and that is likely to reduce to three minutes and if
:45:41. > :45:45.people make lots of sper ventions then they will find they will be
:45:46. > :45:52.called later in the debate than they otherwise would have been. But no
:45:53. > :45:57.time limit applies to Rachel Maskell. Thank you. If I may before
:45:58. > :46:03.I begin today, this is my first opportunity, I would like to pay my
:46:04. > :46:06.personal respects to Katie Ravel, Katie lived in my constituency and
:46:07. > :46:11.died tragically in York just over a week ago. The whole city has been
:46:12. > :46:15.shocked and so saddened by the loss of such a precious little life.
:46:16. > :46:19.Yesterday would have been Katie's 8th birthday and I join with her
:46:20. > :46:22.community in Westfield to celebrate her life alongside her parents and
:46:23. > :46:25.friends and I am sure the whole House would want to wish Alison and
:46:26. > :46:32.Paul and to let them know that they very much are in our thoughts and
:46:33. > :46:36.prayers. May Katie rest in peace. We live in challenging times. One where
:46:37. > :46:40.it is often difficult to see over the horizon. Yet we have a duty to
:46:41. > :46:46.steer a steady path to achieve the best outcome for our nation. The
:46:47. > :46:52.country voted to leave the European Union on 23 June so we now have a
:46:53. > :46:56.responsibility to take the whole country forward together. The 100%,
:46:57. > :47:02.to provide economic and national security for all and to cut deals
:47:03. > :47:06.with the EU and others to ensure that our export focus remains
:47:07. > :47:09.robust. Seven months have passed since the vote and negotiations
:47:10. > :47:17.begin in just a couple of months' time. So where is the DEFRA plan? I
:47:18. > :47:20.have heard plenty of platitudes from the party opposite and listened to
:47:21. > :47:23.ideology about cutting red tape. There have been utterances about
:47:24. > :47:28.aspiration and the fantastic opportunity before us but all is
:47:29. > :47:38.meaningless without even a sled of a DEFRA plan being shared. These words
:47:39. > :47:41.no longer wash with farmers. Farmers don't work in eteric concepts. They
:47:42. > :47:46.live in a world where straight talk something what matters. Where is the
:47:47. > :47:50.DEFRA plan we have been promised? We should have had it before the
:47:51. > :47:56.referendum and we continue to hear talk of the two seriously delayed
:47:57. > :47:59.25-year plans. Farmers need a plan now so that they can shape their
:48:00. > :48:03.agricultural businesses and give them the best possible chance to
:48:04. > :48:08.succeed. 2020 is just around the corner and provides little security
:48:09. > :48:12.to so many. The whole food and farming sector needs security now,
:48:13. > :48:16.security through transition, and security for the long-term. It is
:48:17. > :48:21.challenging enough for the farming community at the west of times, that
:48:22. > :48:25.is why many voted to leave the EU in the hope that surely things couldn't
:48:26. > :48:27.be worse but by being kept in the dark, not knowing what the
:48:28. > :48:31.Government plans to do is even more worrying. Farmers at the Oxford
:48:32. > :48:36.farming conference showed their vote of confidence in the Secretary of
:48:37. > :48:40.State when only the Minister, the member for Cambourne, eventually
:48:41. > :48:44.came to her rescue by putting the arm in the air to show support for
:48:45. > :48:49.his boss. Farmers need clarity. The success of the food and farming
:48:50. > :48:53.industry which we must celebrate has been down to the sheer grit and
:48:54. > :48:57.determination of farmers to make success of their businesses but
:48:58. > :49:01.let's not get away from the fact it's tough out there. Incomes are
:49:02. > :49:06.falling and debts are rising. Incomes were down by a shocking 29%
:49:07. > :49:13.last year, a fifth of farmers are struggling just to pay their bills.
:49:14. > :49:17.The average debt for a farming business is now ?188,000 and too
:49:18. > :49:21.many have gone out of business all together, including more than 1,000
:49:22. > :49:25.dairy farmers in the last three years. So not all farmers are
:49:26. > :49:36.thriving or even There are some regulations that
:49:37. > :49:39.farmer would happily see the back of the 1200 regular layingses to annal
:49:40. > :49:47.size of course we'd want to see some go. -- regulations. The Prime
:49:48. > :49:52.Minister should set out the strategy and test each regulation by the
:49:53. > :49:56.criteria, not a piecemeal approach with no systematic logic being
:49:57. > :50:01.applied. A question I've been asking since I was appointed, how will
:50:02. > :50:05.Government police regulations prosecution those who breach them
:50:06. > :50:12.outside of the EU framework. Answers are needed, as this will be a matter
:50:13. > :50:17.for the UK alone. But all of this has little relevance if the big
:50:18. > :50:22.question is not answered. What will replace the common ago cultural
:50:23. > :50:27.policy? What succeeds CAP is not subject to any negotiation, so what
:50:28. > :50:30.has been agreed with the Treasury. With subsidies accounting for over
:50:31. > :50:34.half the income and investment resource for the farmers, they need
:50:35. > :50:39.to know what will take its place, what will the criteria be, how will
:50:40. > :50:44.they access funding and how can they start shaping businesses now,
:50:45. > :50:49.according to the new criteria so that by 2020, they can be on the
:50:50. > :50:53.firmest financial footing possible. So what has the Treasury agreed and
:50:54. > :50:58.the Secretary of State determined? The Labour were in power today, we'd
:50:59. > :51:00.be launch the rural investment bank, building sustainability for
:51:01. > :51:05.businesses and sustainability for the environment. Resilience across
:51:06. > :51:09.farming and giving farming the stability and security they need to
:51:10. > :51:14.plan their future with the business support they need, as well as the
:51:15. > :51:17.infrastructure and technological investment to drive forward
:51:18. > :51:22.productivity. I am happy to give way. May I thank the honourable lady
:51:23. > :51:25.for giving way. Would she agree with me there are grave concerns
:51:26. > :51:30.regarding early pest and disease intelligence from Europe which may
:51:31. > :51:34.become much less accessible alongside investment in research and
:51:35. > :51:39.development which may fall without access to EU funding. I thank the
:51:40. > :51:43.honourable lady for her intervention there. She's absolutely right. It's
:51:44. > :51:47.our cooperation across Europe which has built the resilience of farming
:51:48. > :51:53.and have built the huge knowledge base we which we all take advantage
:51:54. > :51:56.of. The relationships we maintain with the science and research base
:51:57. > :52:01.across the E such going to be absolutely vital to the success of
:52:02. > :52:04.farming in the future. Of course, our fishermen and women
:52:05. > :52:08.are searching for answers too. I've always believed that honesty is the
:52:09. > :52:12.best policy to abide by. It's time the Government clearly set out for
:52:13. > :52:17.those working across the fishing industry what they can expect to
:52:18. > :52:21.change after leaving the EU. How we build a sustainable fishing industry
:52:22. > :52:26.in an international context is vital for the industry to survive. But, as
:52:27. > :52:30.has always been the case, it is the responsibility of the UK Government
:52:31. > :52:35.to make sure the small fishing fleets have access to the stock.
:52:36. > :52:40.Accessing global markets is vital for the future of the UK food and
:52:41. > :52:45.drinks and farming sectors, but again, I have to ask the Secretary
:52:46. > :52:50.of State what the strategy is. It surely cannot be her role to conduct
:52:51. > :52:55.the global auction on every food product promoting her favourite
:52:56. > :53:00.brands like the Snowdonian cheese or Walker short bred. What is the
:53:01. > :53:04.approach to help every farmer have access to global free tariff market.
:53:05. > :53:12.She cannot skip over the EU as though it no longer exists.
:53:13. > :53:17.Farmers want security in knowing that they will have tariff free
:53:18. > :53:20.access to this market. This is why Labour's been explicitly clear, we
:53:21. > :53:28.want you to have access to the single market tariff free trade. I
:53:29. > :53:35.We must warn the Prime Minister, what she's said today, she mustn't
:53:36. > :53:40.create more barriers for the ago cultural and food sectors. The other
:53:41. > :53:44.pressing issue is Labour. Free movement has enabled 98% of the UK
:53:45. > :53:50.farmers seasonal workers to come from the EU. 80,000 people to pick
:53:51. > :53:57.our veg and fruit each year. On this point, we must be clear - these are
:53:58. > :54:03.absolutely not about taking anybody's jobs from anyone. These
:54:04. > :54:11.are jobs that have failed to recruit locally. Farmers need to know what
:54:12. > :54:15.they will reap before they sew. So, with seasonal labour, it's already
:54:16. > :54:19.in short supply. As a result of the vote last June. The fall in the
:54:20. > :54:24.pound's made other countries more attractive to seasonal workers. The
:54:25. > :54:29.xenophobia is keeping some away. Xenophobia has no place anywhere in
:54:30. > :54:34.our country. We owe it to those who come here to make it clear that they
:54:35. > :54:37.are not only welcome, but we recognise the valuable role they
:54:38. > :54:41.play in the freedom farming sector and the wider economy. But for those
:54:42. > :54:46.who've made a decision to work in the UK from the EU, the Government
:54:47. > :54:49.should grant them the right to stay now. Indecision and delay is
:54:50. > :54:54.resulting in many leaving and keeping others away. I know the meat
:54:55. > :54:57.sector have highlighted the serious risk that the dithering over the
:54:58. > :54:59.rights are causing to their sustainability and they are not
:55:00. > :55:02.alone. Today the Prime Minister had her
:55:03. > :55:07.opportunity to provide businesses and workers from the EU. The
:55:08. > :55:11.stability they need. When she was asked specifically on the point
:55:12. > :55:15.earlier, she yet again ducked the question.
:55:16. > :55:18.I am happy to give way. I thank my right honourable friend for giving
:55:19. > :55:21.way. Does she share my disappointment that apart from a
:55:22. > :55:24.passing reference to the word agriculture in preamble to the Prime
:55:25. > :55:27.Minister's speech, there was nothing about the environment, food or
:55:28. > :55:31.farming in terms of the 12 objectives she set out. Doesn't she
:55:32. > :55:34.think the Prime Minister ought to be giving it far more importance? I
:55:35. > :55:37.thank my right honourable friend for the point she's made and I have
:55:38. > :55:43.scoured the speech to try and find the word environment in there and it
:55:44. > :55:45.wasn't there, so I have serious concerns that the environmental
:55:46. > :55:50.protections we currently enjoy from the EU just will not be there for
:55:51. > :55:55.the future and, of course, as we advance forward and see that the EU
:55:56. > :55:58.makes more progress on these areas, there is no guarantee given today in
:55:59. > :56:04.the Prime Minister's contribution that that will be part of her
:56:05. > :56:09.negotiating 12-point plan - her strategy.
:56:10. > :56:14.So, as we move forward, I hear that the minister saying that it's
:56:15. > :56:18.nonnegotiable but we need to see nit the 12-point plan if it's a key
:56:19. > :56:22.point for us moving forward, so clearly the Prime Minister missed
:56:23. > :56:25.that opportunity today to make that clear, the importance she would
:56:26. > :56:30.place on the environment clearly not being stated.
:56:31. > :56:36.I am happy to give way further. I thank the honourable lady for giving
:56:37. > :56:41.way. Does she share the concerns that I have that it's staggering
:56:42. > :56:46.that it appears the Government hasn't incorporated at least some of
:56:47. > :56:49.the recommendations concerning land management. I suggested in a letter
:56:50. > :56:53.to the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
:56:54. > :56:59.by the institution of environmental sciences and other professional
:57:00. > :57:01.bodies into the still foggy post-Brexit plan.
:57:02. > :57:05.THE SPEAKER: Order. Interventions have been far too long, it simply
:57:06. > :57:09.isn't fair for the honourable gentleman to take the time of
:57:10. > :57:15.thethey shall people waiting to take speeches. It's simply not courteous.
:57:16. > :57:22.No matter how important his point may appear to be. Rachel Maskell? We
:57:23. > :57:28.have seen the lack of certainty being given, so it's a valid point
:57:29. > :57:32.that's been made. A further point I want to raise with the Secretary of
:57:33. > :57:38.State and that's about apprenticeships. I'm sorry,
:57:39. > :57:41.apprenticeships aren't about filling unskilled labour gaps, they are
:57:42. > :57:44.about sustaining people in their development, training and skills, so
:57:45. > :57:50.that they can have a career ahead of them. Certainly suggesting that
:57:51. > :57:54.they'll fill the post-rich 80,000 workers currently hold is not
:57:55. > :57:58.appropriate and not what apprenticeships are for. Farmers
:57:59. > :58:01.need real solutions, so why not introduce the seasonal ago cultural
:58:02. > :58:05.workers scheme? I know the Government scrapped it in 2013 but
:58:06. > :58:09.it would provide a lifeline to farmers now, far better than leaving
:58:10. > :58:13.fruit and veg rotting in fields this summer. On behalf of all farmers,
:58:14. > :58:17.especially though who may be watching and listening to us speak
:58:18. > :58:22.here today, I sincerely hope the Secretary of State provides a
:58:23. > :58:25.solution to this issue. We also have a wider biodiversity system to
:58:26. > :58:31.protect. Farmers are the great conservationists of our nation.
:58:32. > :58:35.They, along with many NGOs are the ones investing and restoring natural
:58:36. > :58:39.habitats leaving in environmental sustainability with more support
:58:40. > :58:43.they'll go further still. We know there is far more to be achieved and
:58:44. > :58:47.we cannot return to being the dirty man of Europe, nor can we stand by
:58:48. > :58:54.and sign trade deals with nations that pollute on our behalf having no
:58:55. > :59:00.regard for soil, air or water quality. A as responsible global
:59:01. > :59:02.stewards we must drive forward progressionive environmental
:59:03. > :59:05.standards and stem pollution. If the Government pin their hope on a deal
:59:06. > :59:11.with the next US administration, I would urge them to think again.
:59:12. > :59:15.As we debate rural communities, we cannot ignore all the other needs
:59:16. > :59:18.that rural communities call for. This Government are still to address
:59:19. > :59:21.this. Access to Broadband, as the Secretary of State said, is an
:59:22. > :59:24.important issue, Broadband and mobile connectivity. But it's the
:59:25. > :59:31.rural communities which are in that 5% that still can't get access.
:59:32. > :59:34.Access to jobs, housing and transport essential for rural
:59:35. > :59:40.communities, as well as good Public Services. Our ambition must go
:59:41. > :59:44.further to halt the urban drift and to rebuild rural communities
:59:45. > :59:48.sustaining rural business and investing in new businesses, pulling
:59:49. > :59:52.us back into the countryside and taking to unsustainable strain of
:59:53. > :59:57.urban Britain. All are important and on these benches, we understand how
:59:58. > :00:01.vital invest isn't into rural communities. You certainly won't see
:00:02. > :00:06.a Labour Government cutting the budget to our national pashes by 40%
:00:07. > :00:11.as the Government has on its watch. So, what will the Secretary of State
:00:12. > :00:15.do? It's a shame that the Government's amendment today fails
:00:16. > :00:18.to recognise the unique needs of rural communities and the central
:00:19. > :00:25.role investment has in strengthening the wider economy. However, the huge
:00:26. > :00:28.challenges facing rural economies needs clear interventions, not
:00:29. > :00:31.complacency. And the shocking disparities with urban environments
:00:32. > :00:36.needs to be addressed. There is not such thing as a single monolithic
:00:37. > :00:39.rural economy in the UK. There's great diversity, not just between
:00:40. > :00:43.communities, but within them. I focus much of my time today on
:00:44. > :00:47.farming because that's where the challenges are most pressing, but we
:00:48. > :00:50.must remember that there is more to life in rural and coastal
:00:51. > :00:55.communities than farming and fishing alone. If the Government truly
:00:56. > :01:00.intends to deliver for rural communities, it will take a far more
:01:01. > :01:05.sustained everybody than simply addressing immediate short-term
:01:06. > :01:08.challenges in isolation. We need a proper cross Government strategy.
:01:09. > :01:13.The abolition of Labour's commission on rural communities by this
:01:14. > :01:17.Government and establishing the much diminished policy unit in its place
:01:18. > :01:22.has weakened rural communities to the lack of capacity and expertise.
:01:23. > :01:25.Madam Deputy Speaker, many of the issues raised today are
:01:26. > :01:30.long-standing and cannot be blamed on the EU alone. But in saying that,
:01:31. > :01:34.the turmoil now created by uncertainty by the Government is
:01:35. > :01:39.escalating risk for the sector. Those who work across the rural
:01:40. > :01:42.landscape or fish in our sea, did feel left behind, left behind bay
:01:43. > :01:48.Tory Government that failed to invest in their industry and in
:01:49. > :01:52.their communities. This has to change. With Labour you would be
:01:53. > :01:57.confident that it would and farming would become far more stable, secure
:01:58. > :02:02.and sustainable. Thank you. THE SPEAKER: Order. I already have
:02:03. > :02:13.to reduce the time limit before I have even imposed it. The time limit
:02:14. > :02:16.will now be three minutes. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.
:02:17. > :02:21.It's nice to follow the honourable lady who mentioned her urban drip.
:02:22. > :02:24.Can I just add that I have a very small farm in north her forkedshire
:02:25. > :02:28.and raise cattle which the Secretary of State ought to know are the
:02:29. > :02:32.finest and most popular beef breed in the world. The assumption made in
:02:33. > :02:37.this motion that Brexit is something for farmers to be scared of is far
:02:38. > :02:42.too pessimistic. There are risks but also opportunities. The European
:02:43. > :02:47.Union has for years subsidised farms under the CAP and we have seen our
:02:48. > :02:51.farmers fall from pole position behind now some of our European
:02:52. > :02:55.partners in profitability and innovation. Therefore leaving the EU
:02:56. > :03:00.and thus ending the common ago cultural policy should not be a
:03:01. > :03:03.cause for concern in itself. Indeed, farmers and research
:03:04. > :03:08.organisations such as leave have noted that Brexit is far more of an
:03:09. > :03:13.opportunity than a risk. Instead of a CAP which compromises for 28
:03:14. > :03:19.states with 12 million farmers with an average farm size of 15 hectares
:03:20. > :03:25.or 37 acres, compared to the UK which has an average farm size of 84
:03:26. > :03:31.hectares or 207 acres. So now, we are able to create a uniquely
:03:32. > :03:35.helpful ago cultural policy for our farmers prioritising the goals we
:03:36. > :03:39.most want to achieve. It's important that we have an ago
:03:40. > :03:43.cultural policy which works for our farmers, for we need their
:03:44. > :03:48.contributions. It must also work for voters, for the environment and for
:03:49. > :03:53.all of those of us who need a healthy diet. This is particularly
:03:54. > :04:07.tryth true as the NHS faces pressure from type II diabetes and#24er diet
:04:08. > :04:10.and exercise related illnesses. It was made clear that ago cultural
:04:11. > :04:14.support would continue until 2020 and by then we have had enough time
:04:15. > :04:18.to prepare for a new ago cultural policy which will work for this
:04:19. > :04:23.country. Already, the Government has indicated that it's keen to cut back
:04:24. > :04:30.on ridiculous levels of EU bureaucracy. But, we must be aware
:04:31. > :04:35.that within DEFRA, there are evil individuals who're still rolling out
:04:36. > :04:39.hideous regulation by increasing the area suppressed by nitrate
:04:40. > :04:43.vulnerable zones which are EU regulations, they are the nastiest
:04:44. > :04:47.and most ridiculous rules and need to be frozen or rolled back but
:04:48. > :05:04.instead they are being increased which is beyond scandalous.
:05:05. > :05:10.I have been placing on the record in this mousse multiple times the
:05:11. > :05:16.sensible and straight forward position this country stands to gain
:05:17. > :05:19.nothing by the Government setting out our negotiating position before
:05:20. > :05:23.the negotiations are even commencing. The EU negotiation
:05:24. > :05:30.negotiators would gain the upper hand. And I will stop right there!
:05:31. > :05:33.I am disappointed that the Prime Minister signalled today she intends
:05:34. > :05:36.to pull the UK out of the single market as well as out of the EU.
:05:37. > :05:40.Some of those potentially have the most to lose from this hard Brexit
:05:41. > :05:43.approach are Scotland's beef and sheep farmers. We have been farming
:05:44. > :05:47.beef in Aberdeenshire for thousands of years. Farm something a way of
:05:48. > :05:52.life more than a job and we produce some of the best beef in the world
:05:53. > :05:55.for premium markets. I am not going to repeat the comments my honourable
:05:56. > :05:59.friend has made because he made the case well, but I will say this in
:06:00. > :06:03.response to the Secretary of State. Scotland exported beef and lamb
:06:04. > :06:08.worth ?73 million to EU countries in 2015. It's important that we realise
:06:09. > :06:12.that over 90% of Scotland's red meat exports go to EU countries and of
:06:13. > :06:17.the non-EU countries, Switzerland, nor Which? And Monaco are at the top
:06:18. > :06:20.of the non-EU destinations. Scotland's food and drink exports
:06:21. > :06:24.have grown substantially and our biggest growth markets have been in
:06:25. > :06:28.the EU, a massive 20% of growth over the last decade and a much higher
:06:29. > :06:33.rate of growth than in other markets including the UK market. That's why
:06:34. > :06:37.retaining access to the single market is so important to our future
:06:38. > :06:41.economic security especially in rural areas where livelihoods are so
:06:42. > :06:44.affected by trade. But the other commodity produced on a large scale
:06:45. > :06:48.in my constituency is fish. We have a huge catching sector, probably a
:06:49. > :06:51.quarter of the UK's fish is landed in my constituency but for every job
:06:52. > :06:55.in the catching sector there are four or five in the processing
:06:56. > :06:58.industry. That supports thousands of jobs across Scotland in a wider
:06:59. > :07:04.supply chain. The vast majority of fishermen voted to leave the EU and
:07:05. > :07:10.given the way they were sold out in 1972 and shoe-horned into who can
:07:11. > :07:14.blame them. There are many potential gains from being outside the CPC,
:07:15. > :07:19.however it's a different story for the proetsing sector where those
:07:20. > :07:23.opportunities are tempered by some significant drawbacks of a hard
:07:24. > :07:26.Brexit as against a region style deal that keeps our foot in the
:07:27. > :07:29.door. One of the major employers in my constituency already said
:07:30. > :07:33.publicly that we need to protect our position in the single market
:07:34. > :07:37.because we have a market advantage there. Nevertheless, we need to
:07:38. > :07:43.remember that two-thirds of our fish exports are going to the EU. It's a
:07:44. > :07:50.huge issue for some employers. We exported fish worth nearly ?450
:07:51. > :07:54.million to the EU in 2015, we can't afford to jeopardise trade. I think
:07:55. > :08:01.while tariffs are probably, we can't afford tariffs at this stage, we can
:08:02. > :08:06.afford non-tariff barriers such as the need for certificates. Those are
:08:07. > :08:10.adding costs and bureaucracy that we don't need and we leave an open goal
:08:11. > :08:14.for Norwegian and Icelandic competitors. During the Brexit
:08:15. > :08:20.campaign when I talked to people in the fishing industry they held up
:08:21. > :08:23.Norway as the model they wanted to emulate but that's no longer an
:08:24. > :08:27.option in this post-Brexit situation. The biggest risk now is
:08:28. > :08:31.the point I made to the Minister where our Government sells us down
:08:32. > :08:37.the river as was suggested might be happening in the Prime Minister's
:08:38. > :08:42.speech earlier today. It was my prif ledge both in opposition and in
:08:43. > :08:47.Government to work with Sir Jim Pace and he and I, although we may well
:08:48. > :08:50.have voted to remain in the European Union, had deep reservations about
:08:51. > :08:53.the common agricultural policy and desperately wanted the farming
:08:54. > :08:58.community to embrace the concept they would have to change the
:08:59. > :09:03.narrative, change the ask of Government, and to continue to
:09:04. > :09:06.accept words like subs tees as part of the lexicon of modern
:09:07. > :09:10.agriculture, it's something we have to deal with, we have to change the
:09:11. > :09:18.narrative. My message to ministers today is please be bold, what we do
:09:19. > :09:23.not want out of this is a son of CP, a CAP-plus. What we do not want is a
:09:24. > :09:28.system that perpetuates what has happened in the past. We want to
:09:29. > :09:31.look at this as April opportunity to see rural policy that can be an
:09:32. > :09:36.economic policy and an environmental policy and a social policy, as well.
:09:37. > :09:41.I would like to speak at great length - yes, certainly. Would he
:09:42. > :09:44.agree that there will still be need even after Brexit for support for
:09:45. > :09:49.hill farmers in places like Wales and in Scotland? I will come on to
:09:50. > :09:53.talk precisely on that. My honourable friend makes a very good
:09:54. > :09:59.point. I would like to have had the opportunity today to talk about the
:10:00. > :10:01.innovation that's happening in farming, innovations that see
:10:02. > :10:07.precision, satellite assisted farming is old news. Now with the
:10:08. > :10:10.internet of things and the development of incredible changes in
:10:11. > :10:16.technology we can see huge advances in agriculture and this is the
:10:17. > :10:23.opportunity for DEFRA to be at the heart of that change and to support
:10:24. > :10:27.the farming enterprise through that. The impact of globalisation and the
:10:28. > :10:34.machinations of the CAP has caused the number of smaller farmers to
:10:35. > :10:36.plummet. This is very bad news for the fabric of rural wrin, rural
:10:37. > :10:41.communities and the environment. It's a chance for us to avoid some
:10:42. > :10:44.of the failures that have afflicted rural policy-making for decades,
:10:45. > :10:48.grants to drain moorlands followed by a decade or two later grants to
:10:49. > :10:52.fill them in. Grants to rip out hedges followed a decade or two
:10:53. > :10:57.later by grants to replant them. Incentives to plant thousands of
:10:58. > :11:01.acres of spruce and pine in areas in northern Scotland. This list of
:11:02. > :11:05.lamentable policy-making goes on. Please can we get it right and can
:11:06. > :11:11.we get it right in the uplands? We need to be very worried about what
:11:12. > :11:17.is happening in the Lake District. Hill farming created the wilderness
:11:18. > :11:22.and pasture that still defines the Lake District landscape. Those that
:11:23. > :11:37.shepherd the flocks are as much part of the landscape. That's what
:11:38. > :11:42.Wordsworth loved about the lakes and what Beatrix Potter to save 14
:11:43. > :11:48.farms. She, like millions of people today expected us to protect these
:11:49. > :11:52.fragile social structures in rural landscapes, preserve the skills to
:11:53. > :11:56.sustain some of them the treasured landscapes. There is a vision that
:11:57. > :12:02.treats the sheep farmer as an enemy and aims to turn the fells into a
:12:03. > :12:05.petri dish for nature-free of human intervention. This sees the
:12:06. > :12:09.replacing of the unique blend of the wild and the pasture which has
:12:10. > :12:13.defined the Lake District for 2,000 years with something that is,
:12:14. > :12:17.frankly, shameful. Allowing ministers to recognise that small
:12:18. > :12:21.farms and particularly those in our uplands are the most economically
:12:22. > :12:26.fragile, arguably the most socially valuable, should be key to any new
:12:27. > :12:29.post-Brexit model of rural support. Being mindful to what our
:12:30. > :12:34.countryside is, seeking to protect and enhance the most stunning
:12:35. > :12:37.landscapes in the world, whilst assisting the industry to innovate
:12:38. > :12:41.and market responsive, this has to be the goal. I do urge ministers to
:12:42. > :12:45.take this opportunity to be bold and create something that's better than
:12:46. > :12:49.what we have had. Thank you. I rise to talk to the
:12:50. > :12:53.environmental audit committee's report which is tagged in this
:12:54. > :12:57.debate. The future of the natural environment after the EU referendum.
:12:58. > :13:02.I pay tribute both to the members for Bristol east and Taunton Deane
:13:03. > :13:06.in the chamber today. Our report, cross-party report from a
:13:07. > :13:10.cross-party group of MPs, found that changes from Brexit could put our
:13:11. > :13:14.countryside, farming and wildlife at risk. And that protections for
:13:15. > :13:18.Britain's wildlife and special places which are currently
:13:19. > :13:21.guaranteed under European law could end up as zombie legislation even
:13:22. > :13:25.with the so-called great repeal bill. We recommended therefore that
:13:26. > :13:30.the Government should safeguard protections for Britain's wildlife
:13:31. > :13:37.in places in a new, UK environmental protection act. And I want to talk a
:13:38. > :13:42.little bit about that today. I would like to look at the issues around
:13:43. > :13:46.agriculture and we found that farmers face a triple general tee
:13:47. > :13:52.from leaving the EU and let's not forget farms and farm businesses
:13:53. > :13:58.make up 25% of all of the UK's businesses. First, the CAP provides
:13:59. > :14:03.50-606% on average of UK farming incomes and for certain farmers that
:14:04. > :14:10.average will be much higher. So the loss of the CAP threatens the
:14:11. > :14:13.viability of some farms. The second jeopardy is the new trade
:14:14. > :14:17.agreements, could threaten incomes if they result in tariff or
:14:18. > :14:22.non-tariff barriers to export. At the moment 95% of lamb exports go to
:14:23. > :14:28.the EU and if we are exposed to a common EU customs tariff that could
:14:29. > :14:31.mean charges of up to 30% according to the country, land and business
:14:32. > :14:36.association. Third, any new trade deals with the rest of the world
:14:37. > :14:41.such as that proposed yesterday by MrTrump could lead to competition
:14:42. > :14:44.from countries with lower animal welfare, environmental and food
:14:45. > :14:48.safety standards. We have heard from the Secretary of State for exiting
:14:49. > :14:51.the EU that he will do everything necessary to protect the stability
:14:52. > :14:56.of the financial services sector and we have heard again reassurance to
:14:57. > :15:00.the car industry in the UK, there have been no such reassurances to
:15:01. > :15:07.the 25% of the UK's businesses that are classed as rural businesses and
:15:08. > :15:10.we have heard from the Secretary of State for environment, food and
:15:11. > :15:15.rural affairs at the Oxford farming conference that farm exports to the
:15:16. > :15:19.EU will decline post-Brexit. She also didn't give my committee any
:15:20. > :15:23.clarity over whether there would be future subs tees for farmers after
:15:24. > :15:28.we leave the EU and we would as a committee would want to see clearly
:15:29. > :15:33.defined objectives for future subsidies such as promoting
:15:34. > :15:38.biodiversity, preventing flooding and repairing peat bogs. I give way.
:15:39. > :15:42.When the Environment Secretary gave evidence to the economy she said up
:15:43. > :15:45.to a third of environmental legislation would not be covered by
:15:46. > :15:49.the great repeal act which means a huge vacuum in terms of
:15:50. > :15:54.environmental protections. ? Yes, my honourable friend is right and our
:15:55. > :15:57.committee discovered that copying EU legislation into UK law will not
:15:58. > :16:00.enough for up to a third of the UK's environmental protections so there
:16:01. > :16:05.is a risk that the legislation is transposed but is no longer updated
:16:06. > :16:10.because there is nobody to update it. It is not enforced because there
:16:11. > :16:15.is nobody with the legal duty to enforce it and it can be eroded
:16:16. > :16:20.through strat Torrey instruments with minimal parliamentary scrutiny
:16:21. > :16:23.and of course we have had calls from some parts of the Conservative Party
:16:24. > :16:26.to have a subset clause in the bill and that's again something that the
:16:27. > :16:31.Secretary of State did not distance herself from when she appeared in
:16:32. > :16:34.front of our committee which is why we want a new environmental
:16:35. > :16:37.protection act passed before we leave the European Union. If the
:16:38. > :16:41.Government's going to achieve its manifesto commitment to be the first
:16:42. > :16:45.generation to leave the environment in a better sthat tan it found it
:16:46. > :16:47.the Government must set out how it will provide an equivalent or
:16:48. > :16:54.helpfully better level of protection when we leave. The role of this
:16:55. > :16:58.House will be vital in providing clear scrutiny rather than
:16:59. > :17:02.cheerleaderboarding as that debate goes forward. Thank you. Last year,
:17:03. > :17:06.I received a letter from a local farmer. He had been informed that he
:17:07. > :17:13.could no longer grow cabbages because they were considered by the
:17:14. > :17:18.EU to be too similar to cally flowers for compliance with a rule.
:17:19. > :17:21.Turnips he was advised would be more acceptable. Agriculture and food and
:17:22. > :17:26.drink are great British success stories, yet for half a century they
:17:27. > :17:29.have been held back by this ceaseless meddling of brows sells
:17:30. > :17:34.self appointed vegetable police. Will there are three simple reasons
:17:35. > :17:37.why leaving the EU represents an opportunity for the rural economy
:17:38. > :17:43.and let me touch on CAP to start with. Every year, UK farmers receive
:17:44. > :17:48.about ?3 billion of payments from the CAP and some people act if this
:17:49. > :17:53.money is a gift bestowed upon us by Brussels. The truth is this money is
:17:54. > :17:57.the money of British taxpayers who every year make a net contribution
:17:58. > :18:01.of ?9 billion to the EU budget and with that money returned we could
:18:02. > :18:06.fund a British agricultural policy three times over. The difference
:18:07. > :18:10.will be that we have the freedom to provide funding for British farmers
:18:11. > :18:12.and the needs of British farmers without smothering them with a
:18:13. > :18:19.European regulations they don't need. The second benefit will be to
:18:20. > :18:24.our rural economy for the food industry and trade. Food demand is
:18:25. > :18:28.projected to grow 70% in the coming decades, a huge opportunity for
:18:29. > :18:34.British food producers. That demand is driven by China, Brazil, the US,
:18:35. > :18:38.India, all countries that the EU has entirely failed to sign a free trade
:18:39. > :18:43.agreement with. With British trade policy back in British hands, we can
:18:44. > :18:45.sign a new generation of free trade agreements allowing our companies to
:18:46. > :18:51.fulfil their enormous potential abroad.
:18:52. > :18:58.Lastly, they will gain enormously from the freedoms Brexit will give
:18:59. > :19:02.us to invest in infrastructure. After we leave the EU, bad box
:19:03. > :19:07.ticking bureaucracy, a covenant elected by the British people, will
:19:08. > :19:11.be able to find that broadband to rural areas with Al having to wait a
:19:12. > :19:20.DFI compliance with the European Union in flexible state rules. --
:19:21. > :19:26.that. -- wait for compliance. It is not beyond travails. As dramatic as
:19:27. > :19:35.Saville's orange groves are, they are not Dartmoor or Exmoor. Our
:19:36. > :19:41.rural... Seville. Outside of the EU, Legion design policies that work for
:19:42. > :19:50.our policies and use our new-found freedoms do create a rural economy
:19:51. > :19:56.more robust than ever before. I'll be as brief as I possibly can. Every
:19:57. > :20:01.single part of Scotland, bar by guile and beauty constituency, voted
:20:02. > :20:10.to remain. -- apart from Argyll and Bute. They said they wish the UK
:20:11. > :20:14.could maintain membership of the European Union to keep our seafood,
:20:15. > :20:19.whiskey and other groups having access to the biggest and, most
:20:20. > :20:22.valuable market. In return, we continue to welcome with open arms
:20:23. > :20:32.citizens of the European Union who wish to come, let and work in Argyll
:20:33. > :20:36.and Bute. As the guarantor has done with notable success, we would
:20:37. > :20:40.continue to promote Argyll and Bute as an excellent place of foreign,
:20:41. > :20:44.multi national companies to invest as they sought to secure entry into
:20:45. > :20:50.the European single market for their products. That's why we voted to
:20:51. > :21:01.remain and that is why Brexit would have a profound and damaging impact
:21:02. > :21:04.of my Argyll and Bute' economy. We boast 14 of the best whiskey
:21:05. > :21:16.distilleries in the world. I will give value the microwave. I thank
:21:17. > :21:22.him. We agree that the prospering businesses here are down to our
:21:23. > :21:26.environment prospering as well? I agree. The Providence and purity are
:21:27. > :21:36.essential and a great part of what Scotland's produce can offer. As of
:21:37. > :21:37.mass G8, Scotch Whisky, much of it produced in my constituency,
:21:38. > :21:44.contributed major lead to the UK economy. Removing us from the
:21:45. > :21:47.European Union damages that. I'm so surprised that the honourable member
:21:48. > :21:53.for South Northamptonshire seemed unaware of the fact that a huge
:21:54. > :21:58.percentage of Scott exported beyond in the EU still benefits from deals
:21:59. > :22:06.brokered by the EU. Control of Smoke Pollution Act Scotch. There is so
:22:07. > :22:09.much I like to say. If I make my work included by saying that I
:22:10. > :22:13.believe membership of the European Union has been good Argyll and Bute,
:22:14. > :22:20.and has been for Scotland. Our continued membership is vital to
:22:21. > :22:24.huge economic regeneration of our area. We need people in Argyll and
:22:25. > :22:31.Bute and the future plan for economic growth would fall by our
:22:32. > :22:34.council is predicated on attracting inward migration of EU citizens who
:22:35. > :22:40.want to come and work in our food and drink sector, forestry, farming
:22:41. > :22:44.and on other seas. We need people to come and work in our rural
:22:45. > :22:50.communities. We need EU National to come to our diet and Bute. We
:22:51. > :22:54.welcome EU nationals. -- to Argyll and Bute. There are almost 2000 EU
:22:55. > :22:59.nationals living in the constituency at the moment and it is a disgrace
:23:00. > :23:02.that this covenant will not guarantee their right to remain in
:23:03. > :23:18.the United Kingdom post Brexit. I wish the boot on wreckage -- to put.
:23:19. > :23:24.That every migrant working in Argyll and Bute is very welcome. -- record.
:23:25. > :23:29.I will do everything I can to support them staying post Brexit.
:23:30. > :23:34.Madam Deputy Seagate, I believe Brexit will be bad for the UK and
:23:35. > :23:40.bad for Scotland. And particularly harmful for rural communities, such
:23:41. > :23:44.as my own. Being a member of the European Union has been benefit from
:23:45. > :23:50.a constituency. The beneficial. That's why when asked last June, the
:23:51. > :23:57.people of Argyll and Bute overwhelmingly voted to remain.
:23:58. > :24:01.Madam Deputy Speaker, there is an active and very interesting debate
:24:02. > :24:04.going on in farming and agriculture in our rural communities. I was
:24:05. > :24:09.reminded of this last Friday when I had the privilege to visit the
:24:10. > :24:16.Clarence house farm to find out more about the dairy industry issues. We
:24:17. > :24:23.had a wide debate that captivated as for 90 minutes. I barely got to see
:24:24. > :24:27.the place that I went to visit. The cakes on the side of the kitchen
:24:28. > :24:33.table when on tops. These are the sacrifices they make. I recognise
:24:34. > :24:38.this is a time of uncertainty for farming. -- untouched. It's also a
:24:39. > :24:43.time of the opportunity. The Prime Minister was clear today that we are
:24:44. > :24:45.leaving the EU, but not Europe. There are ongoing trade
:24:46. > :24:50.relationships we have to define with the all but there are new
:24:51. > :24:54.opportunities in broader markets in this ambitious strategy that will
:24:55. > :24:59.have positive implications for all industrial sectors and will also
:25:00. > :25:04.benefit from UK farmers as well. There may be some who will want you
:25:05. > :25:08.have the relative certainty of the common agricultural policy are few
:25:09. > :25:13.would argue that it's a perfect system, far from it. Quite the
:25:14. > :25:17.opposite. All the hallmarks for too long of a system created in the
:25:18. > :25:23.1950s. Overly bureaucratic and designed for the needs of 28 states
:25:24. > :25:28.and not the UK National agricultural interests that we have to have in
:25:29. > :25:35.mind. That is the huge opportunity Brexit to us. The passing of CAP
:25:36. > :25:39.will not be mourned and we'll create a better approach. The Prime
:25:40. > :25:45.Minister said there will be protections for pillar one and there
:25:46. > :25:50.were two of until 2020. The agriculture section the Max factor
:25:51. > :25:56.is in good place. We can compete with the world. We need to recognise
:25:57. > :26:00.what is in front of us. It is not all bad Brexit, Brexit you'd be a
:26:01. > :26:06.spur to action to tackle long-standing action and recognise
:26:07. > :26:12.opportunities. -- alt Brexit. I have spoken viral -- rural
:26:13. > :26:17.diversification in my earlier intervention. The economy will be
:26:18. > :26:25.pivotal. I believe that outdoor recreation have a place in that
:26:26. > :26:28.particular debate. In my very last few remarks, I want to focus on the
:26:29. > :26:35.needs of helping young people to build careers in farming. To develop
:26:36. > :26:40.their livelihood in agriculture. I'm so impressed with the work I see at
:26:41. > :26:46.young farmers' while in and around Macclesfield and deemed too easy as
:26:47. > :26:52.they have been due farming. My dream would be, as the Secretary of State
:26:53. > :26:56.develops a green paper, please don't forget the other opportunities
:26:57. > :26:58.outside of Brexit. Rural diversification and prospects for
:26:59. > :27:08.our young farmers as they are pivotal for success in the future.
:27:09. > :27:15.Thank you. As a member of Kinross, I'm well aware of the policy for
:27:16. > :27:20.leaving the European Union. After the member for Maidenhead's speech
:27:21. > :27:28.today, it is now clear that it would be catastrophic. -- case that,
:27:29. > :27:33.Sutherland and Easter Ross. We must maintain membership of the single
:27:34. > :27:36.market. That is the best outcome, not just the people of Scotland but
:27:37. > :27:46.in the national interest of each country the UK. Scotland, in
:27:47. > :27:49.economic sectors of the economy, agriculture, fishing, manufacturing,
:27:50. > :27:53.wholesale, retail sectors, in the liberal areas like much of my
:27:54. > :27:57.constituency, to raise, accommodation and food and drink,
:27:58. > :28:03.including whiskey and gin, play a vital role also. Infrastructure has
:28:04. > :28:08.meant mending of new bridges and roads, shortening journey times and
:28:09. > :28:11.enabling remote communities to sustain themselves. Building on MS
:28:12. > :28:21.created employment and using them as created a tourist industry that has
:28:22. > :28:25.continued to thrive. -- them has. We have financial support for our
:28:26. > :28:30.farmers, access to the single market for goods and products and new
:28:31. > :28:34.skills and employees through free movement of labour. The Harbour
:28:35. > :28:41.Brexit announced today will be devastating for Scotland's rural
:28:42. > :28:45.economies with high target and was a financial support. -- hard Brexit.
:28:46. > :28:53.Using the projected food names. -- we face losing. Losing food safety,
:28:54. > :28:58.animal and Plant health standard anti-competitiveness we rely on
:28:59. > :29:01.through nontariff barriers to trade. -- and the competitiveness. We don't
:29:02. > :29:06.have the dues between the single market and the UK market. Scotland
:29:07. > :29:12.is the top destination for exports to the rest of the UK but the single
:29:13. > :29:16.market of the EU is Scotland's real growth market and eight times bigger
:29:17. > :29:23.than the UK market alone. As a man of the single market, Scotland
:29:24. > :29:27.doesn't just contribute to 5 billion people in Europe but we trade with
:29:28. > :29:31.the rest of the world through Europe as well. Today, we reiterate our
:29:32. > :29:35.request to seek common ground with the UK Government and to find a
:29:36. > :29:39.solution that will preserve the Scotland's membership of the
:29:40. > :29:48.European single market, and for the UK Government to seriously consider
:29:49. > :29:52.Scotland's place in Europe. Thank you. It's a pleasure to make a
:29:53. > :29:58.contribution to this debate. As someone who grew up in horticulture
:29:59. > :30:02.environment in Wiltshire, I see agriculture and horticulture as
:30:03. > :30:09.absolutely key to the rural economy and this is a time of uncertainty.
:30:10. > :30:19.If in a business, any business, 50-50% of your current income will
:30:20. > :30:22.end, we were told to 3-4 years. -- 50-60%. You would feel uncertainty.
:30:23. > :30:28.Against that, all the conversations I have had over the last five, six
:30:29. > :30:36.or seven years in and around Salisbury, there is a frustration to
:30:37. > :30:41.delay the CAP upgraded. Every time I met with farmers. -- operated. There
:30:42. > :30:47.was a difficulty that had not been ever comes. They wanted to see a
:30:48. > :30:50.change that was not happening. We must now grasp the opportunities
:30:51. > :30:57.that exist. -- overcome. Opportunities do exist and we must
:30:58. > :31:02.make good on them. We have to remember that 60% of all food eaten
:31:03. > :31:06.in the EU comes from this country. 70% of the UK a land mass is managed
:31:07. > :31:13.by those working in the rural economy. The rural economy
:31:14. > :31:16.contributes ?100 billion to the economy each year. These are
:31:17. > :31:25.significant sums and he have to be ambitious and the of reforms that we
:31:26. > :31:28.bring to the new funding mechanisms. -- sort of. We have been given
:31:29. > :31:34.reassurances over the years but we have evolved as Seattle evolved for
:31:35. > :31:40.the future agriculture to deliver more and demand more. We have to say
:31:41. > :31:44.to those that are frustrated with underfunding and under delivery of
:31:45. > :31:52.rural services that we can do more in return for more productive
:31:53. > :31:56.sector. I just wanted to mention the issue of access to the right skills,
:31:57. > :32:08.because it is absolutely clear to me when I visit, and I visited last
:32:09. > :32:15.year a fish gutting plant and none of the -- on the wall were in
:32:16. > :32:20.English, they were in peril because everyone there was brought up from
:32:21. > :32:24.Southampton. We need to make sure we do this well because despite great
:32:25. > :32:31.agricultural colleges in Hampshire and Wiltshire, we are not dividing
:32:32. > :32:35.the -- providing the skills needed to home-grown youths. We need to
:32:36. > :32:40.make sure we answer the question that many farmers are asking me of
:32:41. > :32:44.how to ensure access to the skills needed in this vital sector. They
:32:45. > :32:50.should be a time of optimism for the industry to release the burden of
:32:51. > :32:58.all those issues that have been so difficult for farming for so long.
:32:59. > :33:04.Thank you very much. Can I say, firstly, coming from the rural
:33:05. > :33:10.constituency, mainly rural constituency of the mana and south
:33:11. > :33:17.Tyrone in Northern Ireland, the European Union has provided a great
:33:18. > :33:23.support to the rural community. -- Fermanagh and South Tyrone. Many
:33:24. > :33:30.fishermen and business recognise this, but we have to ask, at what
:33:31. > :33:34.cost? Particularly in European regulation directive. I must say the
:33:35. > :33:38.additional paperwork and regulations, directives coming from
:33:39. > :33:42.Europe, many farmers and rural businesses are saying, is it worth
:33:43. > :33:57.it? Minister and serene, no, it is not. Simply because they add to --
:33:58. > :34:02.nosed are and serene -- most are answering no. I highlight this in a
:34:03. > :34:06.very proactive way. I thought it was very interesting as a prospect. When
:34:07. > :34:12.the accident the European Union, and we, and then and that the red tape
:34:13. > :34:16.and bureaucracy that has currently come with European regulation,
:34:17. > :34:23.particularly through the Common agricultural policy, is not followed
:34:24. > :34:26.through by the United Kingdom and indeed the devolved institutions. I
:34:27. > :34:31.do want to quote a view issues around this, and the most attractive
:34:32. > :34:38.report I have read comes from the Scottish Government in something
:34:39. > :34:43.that was published in August 2014. This indicates, we believe the
:34:44. > :34:52.European Union Commissioner and as a fair culture to be compliant with a
:34:53. > :34:56.complex set of regulations. That fair culture translates through the
:34:57. > :35:03.agencies where they hear the sound, the inspectors, where there is a
:35:04. > :35:08.fear of an fear. And they fear of various and penalties. I commend the
:35:09. > :35:14.Scottish Government from being so open, honest and true about the
:35:15. > :35:20.regulations and how it affects their farmers and rural communities, and
:35:21. > :35:24.it goes on to say... Sorry, it doesn't particularly crowded but
:35:25. > :35:27.they are hugely critical of the penalties is then that is imposed
:35:28. > :35:30.the common agricultural policy, mainly due to that fair culture that
:35:31. > :35:37.is imposed through the European Union commission.
:35:38. > :35:43.So I say, members and deputy Speaker, whatever happens when we
:35:44. > :35:46.exit with Brexit, the one thing I plea is to not follow through on
:35:47. > :35:50.those regulations and directives other countries in the European
:35:51. > :35:58.Union do not impose but we here in the United Kingdom have to impose
:35:59. > :36:01.them. Thank you. Thank you, Madame Deputy Speaker. It is a pleasure to
:36:02. > :36:06.make a contribution to this debate. It is clear from my perspective that
:36:07. > :36:11.our rural economy has not fared well during our time as a member of the
:36:12. > :36:16.EU. But there is one thing I would say that has been even worse for the
:36:17. > :36:21.rural economy than being part of the EU and that is 13 years of Labour
:36:22. > :36:23.Government, and it is quite laughable the front bench
:36:24. > :36:29.spokesperson on the other side suggested that rural Britain has
:36:30. > :36:33.something to fear from a Tory Government. I can tell you from
:36:34. > :36:37.Cornwall that 13 years of Labour did no favours for our rural economy
:36:38. > :36:44.whatsoever. You know, we need to understand leaving the EU presents
:36:45. > :36:49.us with some great opportunities for rural Britain. As has already been
:36:50. > :36:53.touched on, much of our rural economy is dominated by agriculture
:36:54. > :36:56.and indeed fishing and neither have been able to thrive the way I
:36:57. > :37:04.believe they are able to whilst we have been part of the EU. The "One
:37:05. > :37:08.size fits all" Common agricultural and fishing policy where we have to
:37:09. > :37:11.take into consideration all 28 member states simply does not work
:37:12. > :37:20.for Britain. The British countryside is unique. There is nowhere else
:37:21. > :37:25.like it in the EU, and leaving allows others to develop policies
:37:26. > :37:29.for agriculture, fisheries, and manage and invest in our countryside
:37:30. > :37:33.that will make it fit for the British countryside and rural
:37:34. > :37:36.communities and I believe that is a great opportunity we face now that
:37:37. > :37:40.we have decided to leave and we can make the most of that. One question
:37:41. > :37:43.I am often asked in terms of Cornwall, what will replace the
:37:44. > :37:48.European funding we have had? The hundreds of millions of pounds we
:37:49. > :37:54.have had from EU are not or should I say through the EU, that has come to
:37:55. > :37:57.Cornwall? Let's remember that money is British taxpayers' money recycled
:37:58. > :38:06.through the European Union and it comes with strings attached and a
:38:07. > :38:09.heavy bureaucracy we are not able to invest -- that means they cannot
:38:10. > :38:13.invest in the things we need to invest in. We will have a regional
:38:14. > :38:17.development fund set for the UK, fit for Cornwall, so we can spend on the
:38:18. > :38:21.things we want to spend on and the things Cornwall needs us to spend it
:38:22. > :38:23.on without the box ticking and bureaucratic form filling so many
:38:24. > :38:28.businesses find they have to do just to qualify for the grant. I am
:38:29. > :38:31.confident Cornwall and rural communities across Britain will have
:38:32. > :38:36.the opportunity to thrive, to trade with the world once again. You know,
:38:37. > :38:40.we seem to think when we leave you suddenly the EU. Wanting to buy our
:38:41. > :38:47.world-class produce. Of course the EU will still want Cornish clotted
:38:48. > :38:50.cream! And Cornish seafood, but it will give us the opportunity to
:38:51. > :38:53.trade with emerging markets around the world such as China where there
:38:54. > :39:02.is a growing demand so I am confident. I will happily give way.
:39:03. > :39:10.Order. The end of the three minutes. Thank you, Madam Speaker. The
:39:11. > :39:14.hardest of hide Brexits, and what will be remembered as perhaps the
:39:15. > :39:18.biggest act of economic self flagellation ever inflicted upon our
:39:19. > :39:23.nation, that is what this is. It will practically crucify the rural
:39:24. > :39:28.economy. If we are indulging in this hard Brexit as some sort of lofty
:39:29. > :39:32.ideal, tackling global injustice, trying to improve the conditions of
:39:33. > :39:37.the poorest in the world, I think we could just about -- I could just
:39:38. > :39:40.about stomach it. But, no, we are indulging in this self harm because
:39:41. > :39:44.the UK does not like immigrants. It is the one issue, the dominant
:39:45. > :39:49.issue, and it takes precedent over all others when it comes to exiting
:39:50. > :39:53.the European Union. We live in a global interconnected world where
:39:54. > :39:57.the movement of peoples has never been so profound, but the new global
:39:58. > :40:02.Britain is about to raise the drawbridge and ensure nobody comes
:40:03. > :40:06.in here. It is the Nigel Farages and the hard right of the Tory party,
:40:07. > :40:12.there are few and fishing, that we'll now inform this place about
:40:13. > :40:17.how the country will progress. And I am so proud that my nation voted
:40:18. > :40:22.overwhelmingly to remain within the European Union. I will do absolutely
:40:23. > :40:27.everything that I can to ensure that my nation's decision on that is
:40:28. > :40:29.respected and progressed, and I am proud of the people of North
:40:30. > :40:34.Perthshire who also voted overwhelmingly to remain within the
:40:35. > :40:39.EU. My constituency is practically totally rural. Some fine hill
:40:40. > :40:43.farming in Perthshire, some of Scotland's finest arable land, and
:40:44. > :40:46.Perth city was once the centre of the agricultural administration of
:40:47. > :40:52.Scotland. All of these activities are reliant on support from the EU,
:40:53. > :40:55.all of these industries depend upon international trade and European
:40:56. > :41:06.support. Farmers in my constituency have come to me very concerned about
:41:07. > :41:08.what is going to happen with their future, and the news that one in
:41:09. > :41:10.five Scottish farmers and crofters are intending to quit farming
:41:11. > :41:13.because of the concerns over Brexit should alarm and greatly concerned
:41:14. > :41:15.this House. I have the world renowned pressure dairy sector in my
:41:16. > :41:25.constituency, with no better strawberries raspberries or just
:41:26. > :41:32.anywhere in the world -- Purser Berry Sector. My fair for is to be
:41:33. > :41:38.put at ease by announcing the renewal of this team. I went around
:41:39. > :41:42.my hotel industry in Pitlochry, all of which are dependent on European
:41:43. > :41:45.workers to maintain their business and all are under severe threat and
:41:46. > :41:49.concerned about what will happen now. If England wants to indulge in
:41:50. > :41:53.this economic self harm, that is it to them. Our country in Scotland now
:41:54. > :41:57.has to be listened to. We have decided something else. Our view now
:41:58. > :42:02.has to be respected and listened to. We have alternatives, Madame Deputy
:42:03. > :42:08.Speaker, and I encourage the people of Scotland to have a close look at
:42:09. > :42:11.them now. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Looking at the statistics of the
:42:12. > :42:15.referendum it is evident the vast number of rural areas voted to leave
:42:16. > :42:18.the EU. A decision those of us in this place must respect, but we
:42:19. > :42:24.should also ask why that was, although I feel that is for another
:42:25. > :42:27.day. Now on the cost of triggering Article 50, I welcome the debate
:42:28. > :42:32.called by the members opposite. It indeed even agree with certain
:42:33. > :42:36.areas, that we must do all we can to support our vitally important rural
:42:37. > :42:40.areas -- I indeed even agree. We agree the rural economy is vital to
:42:41. > :42:44.the UK economy at large, that security is key, along with the
:42:45. > :42:50.rural way of life. But sadly it is here our past diverse. I read the
:42:51. > :42:55.motion tabled by the SNP and take umbrage literally at the first word
:42:56. > :43:00.of the title. What does it say about an opposition party that uses the
:43:01. > :43:04.word of friends when speaking about Brexit and the rural economy rather
:43:05. > :43:09.than the opportunities Brexit presents. It seems to want to do
:43:10. > :43:16.down the rural areas from the start -- the word offence. If nothing else
:43:17. > :43:25.Brexit presents opportunities for our rural economy and forestry -- on
:43:26. > :43:29.forestry, tourism, and other areas. A major issue I hear travelling
:43:30. > :43:32.around my constituency is the effect on the single farm payment of
:43:33. > :43:36.leaving the EU, but I cannot help but think there is a great
:43:37. > :43:40.opportunity here for Britain. Clearly, and I am sure the whole
:43:41. > :43:42.House agrees on this, that one thing is sure, there is nothing comment
:43:43. > :43:48.about the Common Agricultural Policy. So, Madame Deputy Speaker,
:43:49. > :43:53.time is against us and it is clear there are two sides to this debate
:43:54. > :43:56.and two alone. Those who want to do down our farmers as nothing more
:43:57. > :44:00.than a subsidy, and those who believe our farmers have the
:44:01. > :44:05.capacity to be more... To be the most innovative in the world. There
:44:06. > :44:09.are those who want to do down our rural areas as wholly reliant on the
:44:10. > :44:15.EU, and there are those who want to do it our rural areas as areas that
:44:16. > :44:19.can flourish, there are those who seek nothing but their own
:44:20. > :44:24.self-created negativity towards Brexit and there are those who see
:44:25. > :44:28.nothing else but the opportunity it will provide. Madame Deputy Speaker,
:44:29. > :44:32.after the Brexit vote last year, we are now in the possession of the
:44:33. > :44:39.ambition our American countries have held for over 300 years, but we can
:44:40. > :44:42.truly state Great Britain is the land of opportunity, and now is the
:44:43. > :44:46.time to capitalise on that. All that matters is we go into our
:44:47. > :44:55.negotiations with the right attitude and we protect our rural economy for
:44:56. > :45:00.the long-term. The Government amendment speaks of continuity and
:45:01. > :45:03.certainty, the 2020. That is two years away. People fear uncertainty
:45:04. > :45:07.and the rural communities I represent are afraid the certainty
:45:08. > :45:13.underpinning their way of life are to be swept away. -- the
:45:14. > :45:16.certainties. Farming is difficult, very difficult profession, requiring
:45:17. > :45:19.commitment to a lifestyle that is almost unmatched and yet the
:45:20. > :45:23.economic impact of farming in my communities is far wider than quite
:45:24. > :45:28.possibly appreciative. In Wales, upland farm profits fell last year
:45:29. > :45:33.to ?21,900. Meaning around 60% of farms either made a loss would have
:45:34. > :45:37.done so without support. Despite this last year, the 10,000 or so
:45:38. > :45:41.farmed businesses in Wales paid employees and other businesses are
:45:42. > :45:47.around three times as much as they made. Many Welsh communities are
:45:48. > :45:51.dependent on the rural economy for their year-round existence. The
:45:52. > :45:59.Welsh language and the culture and traditions of Wales are rigid in
:46:00. > :46:02.these communities -- are rooted in these communities, and their future
:46:03. > :46:07.is at risk. It brings me to my next point. The much maligned EU Common
:46:08. > :46:12.Agricultural Policy. Undoubtedly this financial support mechanism is
:46:13. > :46:14.not perfect. It's mechanism and a demonstration could clearly be
:46:15. > :46:18.improved but what we have heard so far from the Government does not
:46:19. > :46:22.offer us much hope of an improved model. Of course farmers do not want
:46:23. > :46:28.to have to rely on direct payments but a legacy of 60 years of
:46:29. > :46:31.policy-making in at cultivating a plentiful and secure food supply
:46:32. > :46:35.means the returns from the market are simply too low to sustain
:46:36. > :46:41.livestock businesses. If we slash and burn the support mechanisms we
:46:42. > :46:44.afford our already struggling farms we are not only risking our food
:46:45. > :46:49.supply but the future of our rural communities and the industries they
:46:50. > :46:53.support. Wales is around 5% of the UK population but the seas around
:46:54. > :46:58.12% of the EU funds flowing to the UK. Not only is this a result of its
:46:59. > :47:01.considerably more of rural society because of the less profitable
:47:02. > :47:06.livestock hill farming of wheels receiving a far greater share of CAP
:47:07. > :47:15.compared to southern England -- but it receives around 12%. They must
:47:16. > :47:18.receive guarantees now they will not suffer any loss of support. I would
:47:19. > :47:21.like to call on the Government to do something radical. I want them to
:47:22. > :47:24.slow down and think. Too close, policies must be evidence -based
:47:25. > :47:29.rather than the product of idealistic aspirations and clever
:47:30. > :47:35.sounding buzzwords. A clean Brexit chimes with a clean break but no
:47:36. > :47:39.rhetorical flourish chimes with those who will end up broken. I am
:47:40. > :47:42.therefore calling on the Government to maintain direct payments and
:47:43. > :47:46.budgets and ring fence the monies until we have found a realistic way
:47:47. > :47:50.of replacing them, and to guarantee there will be no power grab from the
:47:51. > :47:53.nation of Wales, as I was told recently if they want to do to the
:47:54. > :48:03.rural communities what they did to the minors, let them do so with
:48:04. > :48:06.their eyes open. -- the miners. My constituency voted more than any
:48:07. > :48:10.other to leave the European Union but what was not said in this debate
:48:11. > :48:13.is it is the rural parts of Wales that overwhelmingly voted to take
:48:14. > :48:19.back control. These are the parts of the country for whom democracy today
:48:20. > :48:24.is working. What the rural UK voted for, it is getting. If you remain a
:48:25. > :48:31.Remain, behind the times, it may be, it is appropriate to ask first what
:48:32. > :48:38.rural Britain voted for -- if you remain a Remainer. There are three
:48:39. > :48:45.things. Although rural committees have been powered by workers from
:48:46. > :48:51.the EU or Eastern Europe, the consensus of the British people was
:48:52. > :48:53.a key factor. By some estimates the third-largest population there is
:48:54. > :48:56.Eastern Europe, hard-working men and women in the main paying taxes and
:48:57. > :49:00.working hard in all weathers but that is not a change there then
:49:01. > :49:04.Labour Government plan for or that the constituency ever voted for, a
:49:05. > :49:09.key impact of voting to leave the EU should not make any individual feel
:49:10. > :49:14.unwelcome, as I have said many times in this House, but it should be the
:49:15. > :49:17.restoration partly in the rural economy of simple self determination
:49:18. > :49:21.for environment, regulation or the workforce. No party went to the
:49:22. > :49:24.country on a manifesto that said market towns across the East of
:49:25. > :49:27.England would see huge changes in numbers that would result in serious
:49:28. > :49:34.pressures on public services, and if they had they might not have won.
:49:35. > :49:37.Immigration was a key issue in my constituency but I hope one impact
:49:38. > :49:43.of Brexit will be the restoration of some form of seasonal work Visa
:49:44. > :49:47.scheme that replicates that which we had until relatively recently, that
:49:48. > :49:53.means people are able to come, work and pay taxes if the job is already
:49:54. > :49:59.lined up. Secondly, we should point out there has been an impact on the
:50:00. > :50:04.supply of labour already in constituencies such as mine. Already
:50:05. > :50:09.in my error there is not the abundance of minimum wage labour
:50:10. > :50:13.there once was -- in my area. I would beg to submit this will
:50:14. > :50:18.combine with the more than laudable impact of the national living wage
:50:19. > :50:25.to create a third condition, and that, I suspect, will be a renewed
:50:26. > :50:27.push for further mechanisation and automation as labour supply changes
:50:28. > :50:34.and technology gets more powerful. If you will forgive me, the Brussels
:50:35. > :50:37.sprouts in my constituency will become guinea pigs, for new research
:50:38. > :50:42.into how we make growing and picking them even more affordable for
:50:43. > :50:45.businesses often working on the Russia sleep tight margins thanks in
:50:46. > :51:00.part to our supermarkets. We will see a rise of the rural but -- rise
:51:01. > :51:03.of the rural robots. We have a huge potential to seize that industrial
:51:04. > :51:12.revolution and to take back the control my constituents voted for.
:51:13. > :51:19.Thank you for the opportunity. The one gallantry I think we can assume
:51:20. > :51:25.is that we will return to the issues again, again and again. Not least
:51:26. > :51:28.those of us who represent rural constituencies because I don't think
:51:29. > :51:34.anyone would down the passion on this debate of the issues, concerns
:51:35. > :51:41.and not least the issue of the hard Brexit we have heard about today.
:51:42. > :51:43.Farming is critical to the local economy and the sustainability of
:51:44. > :51:50.our rural communities. Live honourable friend, and the point
:51:51. > :51:54.from the SNP benches and that the loss of trade, the a lot of business
:51:55. > :52:05.on the broader, wider community should not be lost. Farming is
:52:06. > :52:15.crucial to Wales at' a colony. It is described as Wales' Alaska great
:52:16. > :52:19.economy. -- lasts. -- economy. 13% of the people in my constituency are
:52:20. > :52:24.employed in the land. It has a hugely significant effect on the
:52:25. > :52:30.broader economy. The UK's food and bring sector as a whole, the fourth
:52:31. > :52:36.largest in our country with over ?12 billion the year to our economy. 72%
:52:37. > :52:43.of exports go to the EU. The Welsh figures are somewhat higher. One
:52:44. > :52:48.thing to say, the Government will keep negotiating cards close to
:52:49. > :52:53.their chest, but this doesn't mean that we should not know the
:52:54. > :52:57.long-term plans. Some businesses need to plan for years and have a
:52:58. > :53:04.time. The concern and anxiety is order of the day amongst the small
:53:05. > :53:07.hill farmers I represent in my constituency operating on margins, a
:53:08. > :53:12.support regime. Not something they want to exist in the duty but they
:53:13. > :53:18.are concerned that they could be on the edge of a cliff face if the rod
:53:19. > :53:25.is pulled from believe their feet with huge impact. I could go in
:53:26. > :53:32.Roberts, he said careful precise statements are needed now more than
:53:33. > :53:37.ever. . Glynn Roberts. Yes, guarantees about funding until 2020
:53:38. > :53:40.but a three-year window to plan your business is inadequate. They need to
:53:41. > :53:47.be greater. We need far greater certainty is than that. Further to
:53:48. > :53:52.the crowd from Glynn Roberts, the livestock which makes up the vast
:53:53. > :53:56.majority of Welsh farmers rely on exports to the continent as we have
:53:57. > :54:00.made clear since the referendum that full, unfettered access is essential
:54:01. > :54:12.to Wales. He goes onto say that a deal being flouted with expediency
:54:13. > :54:17.and gaining a martyr with 4.5 billion -- gaining a market with 4.5
:54:18. > :54:21.million... Food and farming are central to our national identity and
:54:22. > :54:24.a key part of the UK's economy, generating ?10 billion per year and
:54:25. > :54:30.employing one in eight people across the country. Some of those are
:54:31. > :54:37.employed on the small but none the less any less important number of
:54:38. > :54:45.farms. -- none the less important. When debating farming and fisheries,
:54:46. > :54:48.in what is set out today before us, I think it's important that we
:54:49. > :54:52.recognise all farmers, the role that they play as a managing the
:54:53. > :54:57.countryside wherever that is in the UK and the way that they do. I come
:54:58. > :55:02.from a farming background. My dad worked in farming for about 40 years
:55:03. > :55:06.and he's probably never had a mention in this place before.
:55:07. > :55:18.Farming China is not a 9-5 job, Monday to Friday, for many. -- The
:55:19. > :55:23.farming I know. And it can be challenging. That's why the
:55:24. > :55:26.Government preparing tea leave the EU and guaranteeing that during
:55:27. > :55:32.levels of agricultural support will be maintained until 2020 is... I'm
:55:33. > :55:40.grateful. Does my honourable friend join me in being very pleased that
:55:41. > :55:42.agriculture will be at the centre future trade negotiations with the
:55:43. > :55:49.EU and US the world? Thank you. My hands it to that is short and
:55:50. > :55:54.simple. Yes. Going onto my point of agricultural support being
:55:55. > :55:59.maintained until 2020. -- answer. While a new agricultural policy is
:56:00. > :56:02.being developed, and by guaranteeing for their lifetime, any environment
:56:03. > :56:08.dealings in place already are agreed in the future, even if they run
:56:09. > :56:13.beyond our departure from the EU. Scheme. Anything we can do to help
:56:14. > :56:18.build a sense of fidelity will be good for the industry. One of the
:56:19. > :56:21.issues... I'm going to continue because I know we are short of time.
:56:22. > :56:26.One of the issues that local farmers have raised with me is that of
:56:27. > :56:31.workforce will not a need to attract the next generation which is why the
:56:32. > :56:34.stability matters. Although ensuring the agriculture sector has the
:56:35. > :56:38.workforce it need for delay and that is why it's so important to
:56:39. > :56:45.recognise what the PM has said in that she was to protect the stages
:56:46. > :56:51.of EU national already living here. Turning more directly to the nation
:56:52. > :56:53.in front of our today from the opposition, I do feel, mandated
:56:54. > :56:59.beauties DJ, that it is disappointing to read that the
:57:00. > :57:06.primary focus is on farming and fisheries. -- Madam Deputy Speaker.
:57:07. > :57:13.It is vital that the comments even today, let's not forget there is
:57:14. > :57:17.also true is in a rural economy. The many, many SMEes and sector is come
:57:18. > :57:25.together to form the backbone of our economy. -- SMEs. It is a part of
:57:26. > :57:28.economy as a whole and we, on the file house, continue to build and
:57:29. > :57:39.strengthen it further. In the Brexit a rare, I accept there will be
:57:40. > :57:43.challenges. -- on this side. Also there will be opportunities. Let's
:57:44. > :57:47.go out and find them. Can I just say, before I bring in NXT agenda
:57:48. > :57:53.after the next DJ, there a limit of two minutes. If does make
:57:54. > :58:03.intervention, obviously the last few remaining speakers and a not
:58:04. > :58:13.actually get in. Asthma after the next -- after the next. I was firmly
:58:14. > :58:16.out. I have been in families of fishing for generations. All that
:58:17. > :58:21.was what made me revolt against the EU. I've been jailed that we are
:58:22. > :58:28.seeing massive schools of fish but there is no fish by the Census for
:58:29. > :58:32.birds to ensure because they didn't meet EU standards. -- boats. This
:58:33. > :58:37.did not aid our crews to do their jobs. I've had a lot of British
:58:38. > :58:45.fishermen be prevented from working to ease the European and out fishing
:58:46. > :58:49.at will. There has not been a problem any sea, but in Europe. A
:58:50. > :58:56.decline from my counsel that a representative. Can I commend our
:58:57. > :59:00.negotiators, the Secretary of State and Minister of State, to have every
:59:01. > :59:05.faith in their ability to view the job we want and look forward to
:59:06. > :59:14.supporting them in their entirety. When the Brexit to take place, I the
:59:15. > :59:19.agri-food in our area and discussed a post Brexit market with them. The
:59:20. > :59:26.Minister knows it, I met and I want to put it on record. When the
:59:27. > :59:30.minister visited Northern Ireland, we stick about expanding with much
:59:31. > :59:35.success beyond our shores. Signing new contract again, an indication of
:59:36. > :59:42.how much they look forward to the future. Increasing market value,
:59:43. > :59:49.profits. All things from my area that may have had concerned, the ice
:59:50. > :59:53.cream parlour, places that will do well. The impact on rural economy
:59:54. > :59:59.will come down to our trading power and the fact that the import so much
:00:00. > :00:02.from the EU surely gives strength to ensure a fair return on our trade.
:00:03. > :00:07.The good things we will have when leaving the EU, when it comes to
:00:08. > :00:11.fishing and farming as well, these are the issues that will affect our
:00:12. > :00:15.rule economy. These are the factors they might consider and most
:00:16. > :00:19.importantly, the Brexit team must consider them as well. I know the
:00:20. > :00:22.team is under no illusion about the difficulty of finding the right plan
:00:23. > :00:28.for the majority of fishermen, farmers, producers, but this is an
:00:29. > :00:32.opportunity and it is one, whenever really the EU, that cannot be
:00:33. > :00:35.wasted, we can't look back and say we should have done it in a
:00:36. > :00:40.different way. Let us do right way now. The people have spoken across
:00:41. > :00:46.the United Kingdom collectively to leave the EU. We must now work on
:00:47. > :00:49.their behalf to bring a strong, rural community that benefits from
:00:50. > :01:00.the decision taken. This is our challenge. And we are two X? I
:01:01. > :01:03.believe we are. -- are really up to it? . Great market towns, the
:01:04. > :01:11.beautiful seaside, old-fashioned seaside towns. The stunning North
:01:12. > :01:17.York Moors National Park Llinos and beautiful in the land, I say. There
:01:18. > :01:27.is magnificent in landscapes Dimsdale farming, of course, but
:01:28. > :01:37.also foods and Malton festivals. -- conceal. Superb jazz to ice cream.
:01:38. > :01:41.Take and pork producers. -- gelato. Other businesses you may not expect,
:01:42. > :01:49.like precision engineering run by Christopher Shaw. Silotech. These
:01:50. > :01:54.people get up early, travelled the world, they are not lazy, they are
:01:55. > :02:00.hard-working and confident of taking their products to the world. The one
:02:01. > :02:04.thing they do want across the world is a level playing field. They are
:02:05. > :02:12.excited by the future but we need to be realistic in this country. Quite
:02:13. > :02:15.rightly, we have strong regulations on our businesses in terms of
:02:16. > :02:20.workplace, comment on the environment animal welfare. If we do
:02:21. > :02:28.trade deals elsewhere, we must feel that we are on a level playing field
:02:29. > :02:34.with businesses in other nations to make sure that our businesses are
:02:35. > :02:38.not at a competitive disadvantage. Also a level playing field in the
:02:39. > :02:42.United Kingdom. Our rural areas in North Yorkshire do not get the level
:02:43. > :02:47.of investment and infrastructure we see another part of the country.
:02:48. > :02:52.Around half on transport project and broadband. All I would ask, and a
:02:53. > :03:04.half of my constituents, they see the world as an opportunity but what
:03:05. > :03:09.a level playing field. -- wants. That is where any agreement with my
:03:10. > :03:14.Scottish colleagues ends, talking about the stuff that was made there.
:03:15. > :03:19.I represent Taunton Deane, a rule constituency, where farmers,
:03:20. > :03:26.umbrellas, rural businesses are the backbone of our economy. The farm
:03:27. > :03:30.business brings in ?7 million and 2200 people work in the food and
:03:31. > :03:36.drink trade. There was also the old aborted trade as well. Leaving the
:03:37. > :03:39.EU an enormous opportunity for all of these businesses, providing we
:03:40. > :03:43.have the framework and the right backing from this Government. I
:03:44. > :03:47.believe in the Prime Minister's statement today about 70, the new,
:03:48. > :03:52.global Britain and that we have been set on the right track. The
:03:53. > :03:57.south-west is perfectly placed to take advantage of these
:03:58. > :04:01.opportunities. Which region wins on exporting the mayors and having the
:04:02. > :04:09.next contract? Well, it is the south west. We are fully set to take
:04:10. > :04:21.advantage of leaving Europe. We will build on this. I agree, Madam Deputy
:04:22. > :04:25.Speaker, we must not... We must not re-form the CAP. The affiliates and
:04:26. > :04:29.a better place than we found it. We must build a framework at home that
:04:30. > :04:35.enables all businesses to be strong in this world aside from leaving
:04:36. > :04:39.Europe, if we can do that, we can build on a global market, which is
:04:40. > :04:45.why I applaud this Government's pouring money into infrastructure
:04:46. > :04:51.for Taunton Deane, the A358, rail projects, digital services. All of
:04:52. > :04:54.these things will help us to build an environment that works for
:04:55. > :04:57.everyone on a farm economy that works for everyone and a rural
:04:58. > :04:59.industry that, contrary to what we hear from the opposite benches, will
:05:00. > :05:08.thrive. I wanted to make a couple of
:05:09. > :05:12.remarks. I've sat through this whole debate and how the contributions but
:05:13. > :05:18.nobody on the SNP side actually thought that leaving the EU would a
:05:19. > :05:21.good thing, and that seems very interesting, because one of the
:05:22. > :05:30.curiosities of first past the post is that 38% of Scotland actually
:05:31. > :05:34.voted to leave the EU but because we have that process, which I have
:05:35. > :05:46.defended, the SNP were entirely negative about the prospect of
:05:47. > :05:49.leaving the EU, and they have and I think in Zimbabwe they would be very
:05:50. > :05:53.proud of. They are simply not representing the full range of
:05:54. > :06:01.Scottish opinion. In my brief time I want to make a very obvious point.
:06:02. > :06:08.For every pound we receive from the EU we put ?2 in, that is what being
:06:09. > :06:11.a net contributor means. Any basis on which leaving the EU is a bad
:06:12. > :06:15.thing in terms of subsidies, we can more than compensate from our own
:06:16. > :06:20.budget, and the point about that is that that is something we can decide
:06:21. > :06:24.for ourselves in this UK Parliament. The other thing I would say, the
:06:25. > :06:31.last comment, you would think British industry never had a British
:06:32. > :06:38.agricultural policy, that it never had a future before or really a
:06:39. > :06:43.thriving successful past before we joined the EEC in 1975. There was a
:06:44. > :06:46.British farming industry and business for a thousand years before
:06:47. > :06:50.that and actually if the party 's opposite knew their history, and I
:06:51. > :06:54.am surprised the Labour Party has not mention this, the Labour Party
:06:55. > :06:57.brought in an agriculture act in 1947 which actually was the
:06:58. > :07:02.underpinning of British agriculture, very successful act, before we
:07:03. > :07:05.joined the EEC, yet none of this is remembered and we just have doom and
:07:06. > :07:07.gloom from the Party brought in and agriculture act in 1947 which
:07:08. > :07:09.actually was the underpinning of British agriculture, very successful
:07:10. > :07:12.act, before we joined the EEC, yet none of this is remembered and we
:07:13. > :07:14.just have doom and gloom from the parties opposite. Thank you, Madam
:07:15. > :07:18.Speaker. I am delighted to represent a beautiful part of the constituency
:07:19. > :07:22.but it is incumbent on us all to remember although the country is
:07:23. > :07:27.beautiful it is not a museum. There are a very real jobs there, people's
:07:28. > :07:30.very real livelihoods, and that is extremely important. In the very
:07:31. > :07:35.brief time available to me I would like to make one point. The minister
:07:36. > :07:39.will no doubt remember there is a pioneering work going on in my
:07:40. > :07:46.constituency at Sunnydale farm she has visited with me, and only
:07:47. > :07:50.recently I went to visit a little bit in Milton under Wychwood which
:07:51. > :07:56.is taking this scheme to a very real and practical end. A partnership of
:07:57. > :08:01.local landowners, the community and the Environment Agency working
:08:02. > :08:07.together on upstream flood storage in the valley, and these measures
:08:08. > :08:10.include tree-planting, re-routing of streams to follow their natural
:08:11. > :08:15.causes, and I turned to this point for one good and clear purpose.
:08:16. > :08:19.There is an economic benefit to this as well as environmental. Fruit
:08:20. > :08:24.trees create the fruit industry, they create word that can be
:08:25. > :08:28.harvested for the local community, it enables local sustainable
:08:29. > :08:33.businesses to create jobs and money. Little stock book is essentially an
:08:34. > :08:39.open-air laboratory and the reason I mention it is because of the way the
:08:40. > :08:42.CAP is funded it makes it difficult for small community endeavours such
:08:43. > :08:48.as this to gain the funding they need because they tend to favour a
:08:49. > :08:54.very big schemes and land owners. Leaving the CAP gives us a golden
:08:55. > :08:57.opportunity to rework these schemes so it works for all. So the
:08:58. > :09:01.landowners in our communities are easily able to access the funding
:09:02. > :09:06.they need rather than having environmental schemes packed on as
:09:07. > :09:09.an afterthought. As the minister said earlier, these schemes can be
:09:10. > :09:16.at the heart of it from the very beginning. Thank you. Thank you,
:09:17. > :09:19.Madam Speaker. Before I begin I should declare an interest as an
:09:20. > :09:23.active crofter. Can I congratulate all of my honourable friends who
:09:24. > :09:28.have spoken so passionately about the threats to our rural economies.
:09:29. > :09:34.It is a real concern, about what the future holds for many of us. For us,
:09:35. > :09:38.Europe and the Single Market is about opportunities for growth,
:09:39. > :09:41.investment and jobs. It is about the best opportunity to create
:09:42. > :09:46.sustainable economic growth, playing to our strengths, to benefit from
:09:47. > :09:50.the Single Market. Our opportunity to create a vibrant prosperous
:09:51. > :09:56.economy hinges on access to the Single Market. It is a foundation
:09:57. > :10:00.stone of our desire to enhance our productive potential and deliver
:10:01. > :10:05.strong sustainable growth. For Scotland to succeed, we need
:10:06. > :10:09.additional labour. This is no more so than in the Highlands. We need
:10:10. > :10:13.people who want to be part of our story and help us deliver that
:10:14. > :10:19.modern vibrant economy to stop we want free movement of people. Why
:10:20. > :10:23.would we want to remove ourselves from this opportunity? Sadly, I must
:10:24. > :10:27.apologise. I do not have time. What the Prime Minister should come clean
:10:28. > :10:35.about is that a hard Brexit means uncertainty for investment, it means
:10:36. > :10:39.a threat to jobs and for trading -- for those trading with the EU, it
:10:40. > :10:43.means a threat to that. Madame Deputy Speaker, sterling is down as
:10:44. > :10:48.a consequence of Brexit. Make no mistake. Inflation is on the rise
:10:49. > :10:52.and it is driven by a fall in sterling. We will have higher
:10:53. > :11:00.inflation as the cost of imports reflects the fall in the value of
:11:01. > :11:06.the pound. Inflation rose to 1.6%, the highest level since July 2014.
:11:07. > :11:13.Having seen real wages rise over the last couple of years, rising
:11:14. > :11:17.inflation is going to choke off any rise in real wage growth. The Prime
:11:18. > :11:21.Minister speaks of one thing to trade with Europe, but as a simple
:11:22. > :11:25.answer that the best route to trade with Europe is by retaining access
:11:26. > :11:29.to the Single Market. You cannot walk away from market access and
:11:30. > :11:34.expect to put a solution back on the table again quickly. There will be a
:11:35. > :11:41.cost, and that cost will be higher costs of participation and lost
:11:42. > :11:44.jobs. Let me take an industry that is important in Ross, Skye and
:11:45. > :11:53.Lochaber, salmon farming. As members of the Single Market we have tariff
:11:54. > :11:58.free access. At five of 2% and salmon sold into the Single Market
:11:59. > :12:03.as a consequence, but guitarist for nonmembers is 8% for access to
:12:04. > :12:06.Europe. That is the threat for our fish farming sector, if we're to see
:12:07. > :12:14.the ending of access to the single -- but a tariff for nonmembers. In
:12:15. > :12:18.2015 exports to the EU represented 69% of Scotland's overall food
:12:19. > :12:22.exports. There is clearly a threat to Paris to these exports. That is a
:12:23. > :12:29.price that is simply not worth paying. Why would we willingly seek
:12:30. > :12:39.to disadvantage Scottish seafood producers and farmers and crofters?
:12:40. > :12:42.-- a threat to tariffs. We have a plan to keep Scotland in the Single
:12:43. > :12:47.Market even if the rest of the UK weaves. The options brought forward
:12:48. > :12:50.by the devolved administrations, acknowledging Scotland delivered a
:12:51. > :12:57.clear message against leaving the EU and recognise that in our case we
:12:58. > :13:01.are demonstrating the importance of free movement and the Single Market
:13:02. > :13:04.to Scotland's economy. Our Government in Edinburgh is outward
:13:05. > :13:10.looking, internationalist and secure in seeing our destiny for Scotland
:13:11. > :13:13.as being part of the family in nations -- of nations in Europe was
:13:14. > :13:18.open, looking for people who stick to come to Scotland to work, study
:13:19. > :13:22.and invest, but critically to enrich our society from the contribution
:13:23. > :13:26.they can make as new Scots. Scotland looking outward whilst the UK wants
:13:27. > :13:30.to pull up the drawbridge. A UK where the welcome mat is no longer
:13:31. > :13:35.put out. I UK which is closed to Europe and European migration.
:13:36. > :13:41.Madame Deputy Speaker, it reminds me of the newspaper headline from the
:13:42. > :13:47.past. Fog in the Channel, continent cut off. The reality from hard
:13:48. > :13:51.Brexit is it will be the UK cut off, cut off from the Single Market, from
:13:52. > :13:54.European trade. Look at what the Prime Minister has said today and,
:13:55. > :13:59.you know, for the benches opposite it is a laughing matter, but there
:14:00. > :14:03.is a real threat to jobs and prosperity for people in Scotland.
:14:04. > :14:09.No access to the Single Market, it is the road to self-destruction.
:14:10. > :14:12.Contrast the inward looking turning your back on Europe message from the
:14:13. > :14:15.UK Government with the forward-looking document published
:14:16. > :14:19.by the Scottish Government in December. Scotland's place in
:14:20. > :14:22.Europe. A road map allowing us to work with the UK to achieve a
:14:23. > :14:29.settlement that respects the vote taken in the UK but seeks to protect
:14:30. > :14:33.our economic interests. A road map that respects the UK has voted to
:14:34. > :14:39.leave, but seeks an appreciation of our position that Scotland voted to
:14:40. > :14:43.remain. That is why when we see a UK Government that is so driven to take
:14:44. > :14:48.us out of the Single Market and to damage our rural economy that we
:14:49. > :14:54.say, not in our name. Let me be clear. Europe has been good for the
:14:55. > :14:57.Highlands and Islands. Europe recognised the importance of
:14:58. > :15:03.investing in the Highlands. Take the convergence funds, put in place in
:15:04. > :15:06.recognition of our more level support for Scottish farmers and
:15:07. > :15:11.crofters than was the case in most of Europe. Madame Deputy Speaker,
:15:12. > :15:19.223 million euros of extra funding are fair your period, granted to the
:15:20. > :15:25.UK, on a clear understanding -- a four year period. Understanding this
:15:26. > :15:28.would help Scottish crofters and farmers, but sadly the farming
:15:29. > :15:32.minister took a different view in 2014 and 2015. Scotland would only
:15:33. > :15:37.get a pro rata share, 16% of the total. Put simply, Scottish farmers
:15:38. > :15:41.and crofters were done out of funds by a Westminster Government that
:15:42. > :15:46.they failed to pass on, and the EU had met this to come to Scotland. It
:15:47. > :15:50.is not the Westminster Government, but it is fairness from Europe we
:15:51. > :15:53.were done out of. Europe wanted to help Scottish crofters and farmers
:15:54. > :15:58.but Westminster once again short-change them. They then farming
:15:59. > :16:02.Minister Owen Paterson promised a review of how the funds were to be
:16:03. > :16:09.allocated, and it was to take place in 2016. The honourable member, the
:16:10. > :16:12.current minister, confirmed this would take place after the devolved
:16:13. > :16:17.elections last May. Madame Deputy Speaker there has been no review. We
:16:18. > :16:21.need to say to the people of Scotland, you can contrast the
:16:22. > :16:25.behaviour of Europe and that sought by the Scottish crofters and
:16:26. > :16:28.farmers, that they were denied funds, not from Europe, but from
:16:29. > :16:33.Westminster. We were promised a review. It has not happened. It is
:16:34. > :16:36.little wonder we worry as to what will happen to our crofters and
:16:37. > :16:43.farmers post Brexit. Will the Minister guarantee to protect the
:16:44. > :16:48.existing CAP funding for Scottish farmers post 2020? Support from the
:16:49. > :16:54.CAP are meant to two third of total net farm income in Scotland. Between
:16:55. > :16:58.2014 and 2020 Scotland will receive around 4.6 billion euros in funding.
:16:59. > :17:04.We need an assurance that funding for farming and crofting will be
:17:05. > :17:08.ring fenced. In Scotland, 85% of our land is designated as less favoured
:17:09. > :17:12.areas, with a reliance on livestock production. We need to reassure
:17:13. > :17:18.farmers and crofters that active farming and crofting will be
:17:19. > :17:21.supported. Powers over farming and fishing must be devolved to the
:17:22. > :17:27.Scottish Parliament but it must come with a commitment to funding. We
:17:28. > :17:29.cannot be short-changed again. Creating sustainable communities,
:17:30. > :17:33.empowering communities of the Highlands and Islands, takes hard
:17:34. > :17:41.work. Our region is full of signs products ended by the EU -- project
:17:42. > :17:44.funded by the EU. Much infrastructure has benefited from
:17:45. > :17:51.the funding. The revival of the Gaelic language has been aided by EU
:17:52. > :17:56.funding, not least the college in sky. The Highlands Leader Funding
:17:57. > :17:59.Programme, ready to make contributions of 6.6 million into
:18:00. > :18:02.the Highlands this year. We need to know that will be supported. In
:18:03. > :18:07.summing up I should remind the Prime Minister the people of Scotland are
:18:08. > :18:11.sovereign. That has been the historic context for us. It is not
:18:12. > :18:14.parliamentary sovereignty but the sovereignty of our people. Will the
:18:15. > :18:17.Prime Minister work with us to protect Scotland's interests in
:18:18. > :18:22.retaining access to the Single Market? Let me say that. Failure to
:18:23. > :18:27.do so will mean the Union you cherish will be put to a fresh
:18:28. > :18:31.question. Respect Scotland, risk of the consequence that we will seize
:18:32. > :18:36.the day. A referendum on Scotland's future may be our only alternative
:18:37. > :18:41.if we are to protect Scotland from a hard Brexit.
:18:42. > :18:51.Thank you, Mr Speaker. It's been an interesting debate and I'm grateful
:18:52. > :18:58.for the contributions from the ruble members. I hope to cover all points.
:18:59. > :19:02.Currently, ?200 billion of contributed to the economy. The
:19:03. > :19:05.contribution of the sector is as big as it is in the urban economy. As
:19:06. > :19:11.highlighted today, the sectors of food farming, fishing and tourism
:19:12. > :19:14.play a huge role in building rural community and preserving and
:19:15. > :19:17.protecting the environment. In particular, in the countryside,
:19:18. > :19:21.there are very many small businesses which cover all sorts of industries,
:19:22. > :19:25.says we hired proportionally than other areas. The rural economy is
:19:26. > :19:30.vibrant and diverse, but not without its challenges. Productivity in
:19:31. > :19:38.predominantly rural areas is bigger than urban areas. While saffron's
:19:39. > :19:45.responsibilities lie with England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland
:19:46. > :19:49.face similar challenges. -- Defra. That would be gay in the European
:19:50. > :19:53.Union and that is why we address them just now. We are trying to
:19:54. > :19:56.improve life opportunities for those living in rural areas. We have done
:19:57. > :20:03.much to support and who's the rural economy. Nine represent the mac
:20:04. > :20:12.enterprise zones were set up and more will be in April. This will get
:20:13. > :20:16.answers. -- enterprise zones. Funding development anyone got
:20:17. > :20:19.error. In the Autumn we doubled rural rate relief to 8% and little
:20:20. > :20:24.give a much-needed boost to 8% and little give a much-needed obesity
:20:25. > :20:30.businesses, saving them every year. We are... Many premises can now
:20:31. > :20:36.access to grow fat and broadband and it'll reach a higher level by next
:20:37. > :20:39.year. In addition to that, our universal service obligation of
:20:40. > :20:44.every premises and receiving 10 megabytes will be particularly
:20:45. > :20:47.important for the rural unity. Reform of the telecommunications
:20:48. > :20:51.Jerry is a key part of the Digital economy Bill going through
:20:52. > :20:53.Parliament and this is going to help increase rural coverage of mobile
:20:54. > :21:01.phones but also the provision of fibre. This will enable our industry
:21:02. > :21:06.to existing maths, grading and sharing equipment which will benefit
:21:07. > :21:10.mobile coverage in rural and the area is full of making it easier to
:21:11. > :21:13.work in rural areas. There are pilot programmes in Northumberland and
:21:14. > :21:20.Staffordshire providing 30 hours every child care for toddlers with a
:21:21. > :21:29.further roll-out set this year. Also through 30 hours free childcare, we
:21:30. > :21:32.will receive free funding raids, benefiting many rural areas. As my
:21:33. > :21:36.honourable friend from Macclesfield and Salisbury pointed out, there is
:21:37. > :21:39.a need to work on future skills and career farming is an attractive
:21:40. > :21:47.industry and provide the skills for employees. I can assure them of our
:21:48. > :21:55.Redmond to travel the number of apprenticeships to -- commitment to
:21:56. > :22:00.treble. Mr Speaker, my honourable friend, the Prime Minister, was
:22:01. > :22:02.clear today that we will pursue an ambitious devolved free-trade
:22:03. > :22:05.agreement with the European Union. It is important, she stated, that we
:22:06. > :22:11.are not seeking membership of the single market by the greatest
:22:12. > :22:17.possible access to it through a new, comprehensive, bold agreements. That
:22:18. > :22:18.Northern Ireland and England to make Northern Ireland and England to make
:22:19. > :22:22.sure they take full advantage of the economic opportunities we have
:22:23. > :22:27.today. There is been considerable discussion about devolution and, as
:22:28. > :22:32.the Prime Minister reiterated, this is important that the joint
:22:33. > :22:35.ministerial committee in EU negotiations has been established so
:22:36. > :22:39.ministers from each devolved administration can contribute to the
:22:40. > :22:42.process of planning our departure from the EU. As it has already been
:22:43. > :22:45.referred to, we have received a paper from the Scottish Government
:22:46. > :22:49.and will draw the receiving wantonly from the welsh common. Both will be
:22:50. > :22:55.considered. It's important to stress that our guiding principle is to
:22:56. > :23:00.ensure that, as the leave the EU, no barriers within our union are
:23:01. > :23:04.created and that means maintaining the necessary framework for our
:23:05. > :23:09.domestic markets, empowering the UK as an open, trading nation to strike
:23:10. > :23:12.the best trade deals around the world and protect our islands. As
:23:13. > :23:15.they do this, the Prime Minister has been absolutely clear that no
:23:16. > :23:19.decisions to be taken by the devolved administrations will be
:23:20. > :23:24.removed from them. It is very clear there will be no power grabbed. With
:23:25. > :23:28.regard to migrant workers, rated eight, as they drop plans to leave
:23:29. > :23:32.the EU, we are harnessing the industry's knowledge and experience,
:23:33. > :23:35.ensuring their voice is heard. As my honourable friend, the Secretary of
:23:36. > :23:39.State, indicated, access to labour is an important part of our
:23:40. > :23:42.discussions and we are committed to working in your industry to make
:23:43. > :23:48.sure they have the right people with the right skills. Arab EU nationals,
:23:49. > :23:51.rated by Scottish members, the Prime Minister reiterated again today he
:23:52. > :24:01.desired he this issue resolved. -- around. To see this issue. Regarding
:24:02. > :24:05.CAP payments, we want farmers to have that certainty and we have said
:24:06. > :24:08.they will receive the same level of financial trouble until 2020. I love
:24:09. > :24:14.the double of many honourable and right honourable members on the
:24:15. > :24:16.opportunities brought on agricultural policy, this led to the
:24:17. > :24:20.needs of this nation. There will be a Green paper published in due
:24:21. > :24:24.course, which will give everyone the opportunity to offer people on our
:24:25. > :24:28.future design. I like the thought of my honourable friend from Newbury,
:24:29. > :24:34.Right Honourable friend, who I would expect to get a good thoughts on as
:24:35. > :24:37.my predecessor, his three pronged approach of thinking of the
:24:38. > :24:43.agricultural and social objectives on small farmers will get a lot of
:24:44. > :24:47.support. With regards to CAP pellet two, the Government will also
:24:48. > :24:49.continue to guarantee funding for structural investment fund projects
:24:50. > :24:54.at before we leave and continuing after we have left. This includes
:24:55. > :24:57.the rural development programme and the maritime fisheries programme.
:24:58. > :24:59.Funding for these programmes of the honoured where they provide good
:25:00. > :25:04.value for money and are in line with the nitty-gritty priorities. These
:25:05. > :25:09.conditions will be applied in such a way that the current pipeline --
:25:10. > :25:12.strategic. Environment schemes beginning this month. The devolved
:25:13. > :25:16.administrations will sign of the investment fund under the current EU
:25:17. > :25:20.allocation. The Government will make sure they are funded to meet these
:25:21. > :25:26.commitments. On the issue of fisheries, we are continued them are
:25:27. > :25:30.committed to acting on the common fisheries policy and putting in
:25:31. > :25:34.place a new regime. We want users opportunity to make sure our
:25:35. > :25:38.industry is competitive and profitable, and that the environment
:25:39. > :25:43.is improved for future relations. The Government will continue to
:25:44. > :25:51.deliver this. Working closely with indices on deciding future rules. --
:25:52. > :25:57.on delivering this. Including the law on EC and the UN agreement. In
:25:58. > :26:00.terms of leaving the EU, we want to make our own decisions about how to
:26:01. > :26:04.deliver the policy objectives previously targeted by EU funding.
:26:05. > :26:11.As pointed out by several honourable members today, we have to make sure
:26:12. > :26:15.that the EU funding is UK taxpayer funding and how that is spent in due
:26:16. > :26:20.course. We will consult closely with stakeholders to reveal all EU
:26:21. > :26:24.funding schemes and ensure that any ongoing commitment to best serve the
:26:25. > :26:27.national interest while having appropriate investor certainty. City
:26:28. > :26:31.deals and evolution have been a feature of improving local economies
:26:32. > :26:35.and we are seeing more rural economy is being business. In Scotland, the
:26:36. > :26:42.Government has given considerable support, ?2.3 billion worth, to the
:26:43. > :26:45.oil and gas industry in year alone. We guess that independence was made
:26:46. > :26:49.by the Scottish Government on the base of a high oil prices above the
:26:50. > :26:54.economy. It's a good job the union has also bought for the industry in
:26:55. > :26:57.the challenging times. -- pulled together to support. This has been
:26:58. > :27:04.an important debate, highlighting the importance of the rural economy.
:27:05. > :27:08.What can I say, Mr Speaker, what we heard from the honourable gentleman
:27:09. > :27:13.from Ross, Skye and Lochaber is that we are all doomed. Far from it. As
:27:14. > :27:17.the Prime Minister has said, Brexit means Brexit and we will make a
:27:18. > :27:22.success of it. We are determined to get the best deal on leaving the EU
:27:23. > :27:25.for the British people. We want a world leading food and farming
:27:26. > :27:30.industry and the healthiest environment for generations. We are
:27:31. > :27:35.clear that, when leaving the EU law into UK law, that is non-negotiable
:27:36. > :27:40.and we will make sure that the environment is protected, not
:27:41. > :27:49.enhanced for future generations. -- if not enhanced. I support the
:27:50. > :27:53.amendment. The question is that the original words and part of it. As
:27:54. > :27:57.many as are of the opinion, say "aye". To the contrary, "no".
:27:58. > :30:29.Division. Click the lobby. -- clear. As many as are of the opinion, say
:30:30. > :30:34."aye". To the contrary, "no". The tellers for the eyes, Alan Johnson
:30:35. > :30:46.and Marion Fellows. Tellers for the noes, the Brian. -- ayes. -- Steve
:30:47. > :41:30.Brian. The ayes to the right, 212. The noes
:41:31. > :41:35.to the left, 287. The ayes to the right, 212. The noes to the left,
:41:36. > :41:46.287, so the noes have it. The noes have it. Unlock. Order. We now come
:41:47. > :41:49.to the question that the proposed words be there added. As many as are
:41:50. > :41:57.of the opinion, say 'aye'. To the contrary, 'no'. I think the ayes
:41:58. > :42:04.have it. The ayes have it. The situation is I declare the question
:42:05. > :42:09.as amended to be agreed to. We now come to the second opposition Day
:42:10. > :42:18.motion in the name of the leader of the SNP. Point of order, indeed. I
:42:19. > :42:21.inadvertently referred to the my remarks in the last debate the
:42:22. > :42:26.registry and I hope this is a means of drawing the House's attention to
:42:27. > :42:30.that fact and drawing attention to my mission. I am grateful to the
:42:31. > :42:32.honourable gentleman both for his good grace and pettiness in
:42:33. > :42:36.communicating the point which I think we'll have been warmly
:42:37. > :42:40.received by colleagues across the House. We now come to the second
:42:41. > :42:46.opposition day motion in the name of the leader of the Scottish National
:42:47. > :42:49.Party and the effect for the Department for Environment, Food
:42:50. > :42:51.Rural Affairs policies on low income households. I informed the House has
:42:52. > :42:55.selected the amendment in the name of the Prime Minister. I also take
:42:56. > :43:02.this opportunity to remind the House that this debate can run only until
:43:03. > :43:09.beta clock. -- until 8pm. There are 17 colleagues were -- wishing to
:43:10. > :43:12.speak from the backbenches and I know those speaking from the front
:43:13. > :43:18.bench will jealously guard the rights and interests of those
:43:19. > :43:21.wishing to speak from the back, therefore the frontbenchers should
:43:22. > :43:24.absolutely not exceed ten minutes each in their speeches, and if they
:43:25. > :43:29.can speak for less time than that they will be addressing a grateful
:43:30. > :43:32.nation. As many as are of the opinion, say 'aye'. To the contrary,
:43:33. > :43:36.'no'. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I stand to move the motion in my name and
:43:37. > :43:41.that of my honourable friend. According to the UK Government
:43:42. > :43:45.universal credit was supposed to bring fairness and simplicity and I
:43:46. > :43:48.ask you to hold that thought and share the experiences of some of my
:43:49. > :43:53.constituents, the experiences of people trying to help them, and even
:43:54. > :43:57.those of DUP staff trying to negotiate through the -- navigate
:43:58. > :44:01.them through universal credit. We are suffering the better effects and
:44:02. > :44:04.chaos of the full service roll-out earlier in other areas. It is
:44:05. > :44:09.hurting people who need help the most, and I know if honourable
:44:10. > :44:13.member is the chamber could see the grief it causes at first hand they
:44:14. > :44:18.would understand why I am passionate about this. Mr Speaker, before I
:44:19. > :44:21.sure some of the experiences of my constituents I want to tell
:44:22. > :44:30.honourable members of my recent meetings with their Citizens Advice
:44:31. > :44:34.officers, who have experience dealing with some of the most
:44:35. > :44:37.challenging situations we could imagine. Fork at the end of their
:44:38. > :44:45.tether and sometimes even at the end their lives -- folk at. When I met
:44:46. > :44:48.with them last week, they were moved to tears telling me about their
:44:49. > :44:51.universal credit caseload. They told me of the suffering they were
:44:52. > :44:53.witnessing, they told me this roll-out is a shambles and that
:44:54. > :44:58.nobody in the system communicate with each other. Mr Speaker, they
:44:59. > :45:05.told me the process simply does not work. They see neither fairness nor
:45:06. > :45:09.simplicity. The transitional protection is limited and will not
:45:10. > :45:13.protect new claimants. It also will be lost if the household undergoes
:45:14. > :45:17.changes in circumstances and it does not protect people against the
:45:18. > :45:22.anguish and suffering that lengthy delays are causing people. Once
:45:23. > :45:27.again, the disabled are some of the hardest hit by the move to universal
:45:28. > :45:31.credit. The loss of the Severe Disability Premium has taken almost
:45:32. > :45:37.62... I will make some progress because other members wish to take
:45:38. > :45:41.part. The loss of the Severe Disability Premium has taken almost
:45:42. > :45:47.?62 per week out of the pockets of the most critically disabled. Cuts
:45:48. > :45:51.to the disabled child admission mean 100,000 disabled children stand to
:45:52. > :45:57.lose up to ?29 per week. Severe disability cuts mean disabled
:45:58. > :46:03.parents with young carers stand to lose ?50 a week, and around ?30 a
:46:04. > :46:06.week will be lost to those -- ?58 a week, and around ?38 a week will be
:46:07. > :46:14.lost to those... I will give way, very briefly. Thanks for giving way.
:46:15. > :46:18.I wonder if he shares my concern at the lack of information and data at
:46:19. > :46:21.the DWP have on their own activities, particularly with the
:46:22. > :46:25.most vulnerable claimants. I asked the department on the 10th of
:46:26. > :46:28.January to give me the number of people who have had their benefits
:46:29. > :46:35.withdrawn or suspended in the process of transforming leader
:46:36. > :46:40.transferring -- transferring, and they go back and said they did not
:46:41. > :46:46.know. Is that not shocking? it is, and once again disabled people have
:46:47. > :46:49.been found unfit for work and I still expected to take steps towards
:46:50. > :46:56.finding work. This group includes those who have suffered serious
:46:57. > :47:00.injuries. In the early stages of progressive conditions such as
:47:01. > :47:03.multiple sclerosis and those with learning difficulties. Disability
:47:04. > :47:07.employment is a long-standing unique issue of the process of universal
:47:08. > :47:13.credit is creating more barriers for them in the workplace. The Prime
:47:14. > :47:17.Minister has been speaking about Jam, the so-called just about
:47:18. > :47:20.managing. Thanks to universal credit, for many families their
:47:21. > :47:24.income is about to be tossed. I suggest the Prime Minister comes to
:47:25. > :47:29.Inverness and speaks to my constituents about our shared
:47:30. > :47:34.society, those families with children up ?236 per -- ?230 per
:47:35. > :47:40.year worse off according to the Children's Society. To the Lone
:47:41. > :47:43.parents, losing ?15 a week. To that young people and their families who
:47:44. > :47:47.will be pushed further into poverty because of reductions in the
:47:48. > :47:51.standard allowances. The four-year freeze on support for children will
:47:52. > :47:54.see the value of the children's benefits cut by 12% by the end of
:47:55. > :47:59.the decade. Universal credit will not only failed to lift children out
:48:00. > :48:03.of poverty. It will push them further into poverty. Citizens
:48:04. > :48:09.Advice has said universal credit is failing to live up to its promise.
:48:10. > :48:13.From the outset, people have experienced problems. Delays to
:48:14. > :48:17.claims and errors to payments. The Public Accounts Committee found the
:48:18. > :48:22.systems were underdeveloped and said there was increasing pressure on DWP
:48:23. > :48:27.staff. My team and I see it every day, day in, day out. Only yesterday
:48:28. > :48:31.a constituent Laura Shepherd got in touch, at the end of her tether. Her
:48:32. > :48:36.20-year-old son Douglas has severe autism and has been on the waiting
:48:37. > :48:40.list for a work capability assessment since the end of
:48:41. > :48:44.September. During this time they have had no disability support. Just
:48:45. > :48:56.the minimum level of universal credit, only ?200 a month. Quite
:48:57. > :48:58.understandably the family are trying to get this sorted out, get their
:48:59. > :49:00.claim backdated to cover a period when they were incorrectly given
:49:01. > :49:02.child tax credits instead of universal credit. Universal credit
:49:03. > :49:07.team cannot even give her dates for disability work assessment for her
:49:08. > :49:12.son. His assessment of that nature are done by an external contractor.
:49:13. > :49:18.They actually told her, in writing, to contact me as her MP because they
:49:19. > :49:21.were at a loss of what to do. The wife of an officer serving in our
:49:22. > :49:26.army has now been waiting five months for assistance with childcare
:49:27. > :49:31.costs. Five months with no payments. Suffering a catalogue of errors and
:49:32. > :49:36.very sporadic communication, she could not get her problems sorted
:49:37. > :49:39.out because even the DWP staff on universal credit are not allowed to
:49:40. > :49:43.speak to the service centre or claims manager. Everything has to be
:49:44. > :49:46.duplicated by e-mail, leading to confusion and lost information.
:49:47. > :49:49.Also, this so-called helpline. Who Also, this so-called helpline. Who
:49:50. > :49:56.on earth thought it was a great idea to make this a premium calling? It
:49:57. > :50:01.is shameful that people with no money are being made to spend their
:50:02. > :50:06.last pennies on premium wines. What do they do if they have no credit on
:50:07. > :50:09.their mobile phones? That is if it has not had to be pondered to make
:50:10. > :50:15.up for the money they are not getting through waiting for their
:50:16. > :50:20.payments. -- if it has to be pawned. When they call the helpline they are
:50:21. > :50:25.left on hold whilst DWP staff try to sort out errors for more than 20
:50:26. > :50:30.minutes. We asked them to monitor calls and they found none were under
:50:31. > :50:36.the Government's stated waiting time of three minutes 27 seconds. In fact
:50:37. > :50:40.all 36 the logs were for longer. The longest, a staggering 54 minutes and
:50:41. > :50:45.17 seconds. Sometimes they are offered a Colback, and if they are
:50:46. > :50:50.lucky and get to their telephone on time, if it happens at all they will
:50:51. > :50:58.get it -- offered a call back. But they only get one shot at that. It
:50:59. > :51:00.is like a universal credit version of Catch-22. The transfer to the
:51:01. > :51:05.Digital has already been halted and the halfway house emerging is right
:51:06. > :51:08.for confusion. People can make online claims some of the time get
:51:09. > :51:12.me to take the original copy of letters to the job centre at their
:51:13. > :51:16.own cost. A report detailing the impact of the new scheme in Glasgow
:51:17. > :51:18.not only that claimants are struggling but that the
:51:19. > :51:22.controversial scheme is putting services and jobs at risk as well.
:51:23. > :51:29.There is a lack of and explanation as to the general reasons for a
:51:30. > :51:32.claim and those with special needs are often left to struggle and face
:51:33. > :51:37.the sanctions following. Where is the furnace, where is the
:51:38. > :51:38.simplicity? The system is manufacturing debt and despondency
:51:39. > :51:51.-- where is the fairness? Am ?25 per night at ?100 per week.
:51:52. > :51:58.One of my constituents, Gavin, has been living in homeless
:51:59. > :52:02.accommodations. He would have been awarded ?168 housing benefits,
:52:03. > :52:07.leaving him ?7 to pay out of his other entitlement. Under Universal
:52:08. > :52:12.Credit, he has the same housing cost but have yet ?63 per week. Meaning
:52:13. > :52:17.you have to pay ?115 per week promised allowances. Only doesn't
:52:18. > :52:20.get ?115 per week. Even if he gave up food, heat, light and everything
:52:21. > :52:25.else and that everything Penny, he would still be short. Of course,
:52:26. > :52:32.Gavin and others will always be in arrears. It is flawed by design.
:52:33. > :52:38.Very briefly. Does he not agree with me that the rise in inflation will
:52:39. > :52:42.hit poorest families hardest and the Government you tried to counter the
:52:43. > :52:51.effects given the fall in sterling following the Brexit strategy?
:52:52. > :53:00.Absolutely. I have people on waiting three with three months Universal
:53:01. > :53:06.Credit. It is a hound council left carrying the death of money Gavin
:53:07. > :53:11.and others simply don't have. -- Ireland. The Government has accrued
:53:12. > :53:16.extra debt of ?180,000 from Universal Credit. According to a
:53:17. > :53:21.City Council, 73 homeless people in Glasgow are now on the benefit. The
:53:22. > :53:25.City Council. And have racked up thousands of pounds of arrears
:53:26. > :53:32.between them. A management organisation and the ordination in
:53:33. > :53:37.relation for candle housing, representing Haslam homes in
:53:38. > :53:46.England. There are people in readily is. -- Council homes. -- rent
:53:47. > :53:56.arrears. Who don't receive Universal Credit. The average arrears total is
:53:57. > :54:00.now increased to ?616. The SNP Scottish Government have done
:54:01. > :54:08.everything it can to mitigate Tory welfare cuts. New devolved powers
:54:09. > :54:12.will include disability benefits. With these wanted new palace, we
:54:13. > :54:18.will seek to build a Scottish social tissue releases them with dignity
:54:19. > :54:21.and respect at its heart. -- social security system. It is wrong that
:54:22. > :54:27.the Government and the council should foot the bill in the cup.
:54:28. > :54:32.It's also true that the proposal to cut 50% of job centres in Glasgow is
:54:33. > :54:37.a bad idea. A subject I know my colleagues will speak again shortly.
:54:38. > :54:44.That's not get, these proposals come on the back of last year's
:54:45. > :54:51.announcement drew close 108 M RC offices across the UK. Several HMRC
:54:52. > :54:56.offices. With job losses. There is a college in the in the indignity and
:54:57. > :55:01.a crushing drive towards increased poverty in the Universal Credit
:55:02. > :55:05.system. Long delays in payment, what payments, value to respond, mixed
:55:06. > :55:08.signals, confusion between departments, crushing morale for the
:55:09. > :55:18.poor job centre plus staph and inability to respond to common sense
:55:19. > :55:21.are rife. -- staff. We have to think about those he need our help rather
:55:22. > :55:32.than those who stand to profit from austerity. The questionnaires as on
:55:33. > :55:37.the order paper. -- the question Thank you. As the Prime Minister has
:55:38. > :55:39.said, the Prime Minister wants to build a country that works for
:55:40. > :55:47.everyone, not just the privileged few. There is a key role in
:55:48. > :55:50.delivering this job centre. We want to deliver a modern and effective
:55:51. > :55:55.welfare system. Providing professional, tailored support. For
:55:56. > :56:01.those hundreds of thousands of people already in receipt of
:56:02. > :56:04.Universal Credit, we ensure they work and progressing of work will
:56:05. > :56:07.always pay. What we have had to make difficult decisions on his welfare
:56:08. > :56:11.spending, but we have never lost sight of the fact that the most
:56:12. > :56:16.sustainable route out of poverty and just managing to get into work.
:56:17. > :56:21.Universal Credit lies at the heart of this. Transforming the welfare
:56:22. > :56:25.system to make sure with holidays, it pays to participate, and to
:56:26. > :56:31.progress. This, in contrast to the system before 2010, of which in work
:56:32. > :56:37.poverty increased between 1998 and 2010 between wealth are, despite
:56:38. > :56:41.wealth are increasing. We are building a fairer system that will
:56:42. > :56:47.mirror the world of work and we eradicate the complexities in the
:56:48. > :56:53.old system. There are no Alice, rules or cliff edges in Universal
:56:54. > :56:57.Credit as there are in tax credits. . On occasion, working working
:56:58. > :57:01.again. Universal Credit also have the need to switch between the
:57:02. > :57:06.benefit of claimants switched to and on in work. Sybil Viney says and
:57:07. > :57:12.ensuring for claimants. Our approach is working. The claimant count has
:57:13. > :57:19.dropped from 1.5 million to around 800,000 from 2010. We are at near
:57:20. > :57:26.record levels of employment across the country. Once fully rolled out,
:57:27. > :57:30.leaving Universal Credit will generate ?7 billion we benefit every
:57:31. > :57:34.year and boost employment by up to 300,000. We are not done yet. We
:57:35. > :57:37.believe that making work pay and opening up opportunities for people
:57:38. > :57:40.to realise their potential are essential to building an economy
:57:41. > :57:49.that works for all. By reducing Universal Credit, further improving
:57:50. > :57:52.the incentive, households. It is an clear that many disabled people, the
:57:53. > :57:56.barriers to work are still too high. We need to continue to review and
:57:57. > :58:00.reform our support given what we know works. We will build on the
:58:01. > :58:04.success of Universal Credit and provide more personalised employment
:58:05. > :58:08.support by consulting on further reform for the workplace mobility
:58:09. > :58:16.assessment. Our green pepper on work. Catherine Green paper. We'll
:58:17. > :58:21.go further in marching -- Green paper will govern enlarging this. It
:58:22. > :58:25.is designed to encourage and support claimants to return to work. We have
:58:26. > :58:29.allocated ?330 million for new ones abroad for people with limited
:58:30. > :58:34.capability for work over 40 years, starting from April 2017 and an
:58:35. > :58:42.extra ?50 million to top up the existing flexible support for the
:58:43. > :58:49.Indo 2018, 2018 -- 2017-2018 and 2018-2019. Looking at our benefit
:58:50. > :58:52.reforms in isolation, failure to appreciate the wider work of the
:58:53. > :58:59.Government in providing support for those on lower income, the thing
:59:00. > :59:03.single most important thing has been what it has facilitated. People are
:59:04. > :59:08.sharing in their proceeds. Average as all incomes are at an all-time
:59:09. > :59:14.high, incoming equality has fallen and paying bottom 5% in society is
:59:15. > :59:22.up 6.2% year-on-year. The higher rise since the series began in the
:59:23. > :59:28.year 1997. I do not have time to list all the other advances we've
:59:29. > :59:29.made because time is short but we must acknowledge the most
:59:30. > :59:36.transformational. We've introduced the national living wage. Increased
:59:37. > :59:40.the best of all backgrounds to ?11,000. The Didcot taxpayer pays
:59:41. > :59:45.less tax than 2010. We've we've introduced the triple lock so
:59:46. > :59:49.pensioners with a full state pension received over ?1100 a year more than
:59:50. > :59:57.at the start of the last Parliament. -- typical taxpayer. We want to hear
:59:58. > :00:01.the SNP's opinion on this. Free childcare from 15 hours up to 30
:00:02. > :00:07.hours as well as introducing 15 hours of free childcare for
:00:08. > :00:12.disadvantaged two-year-old as well as free school meals for all
:00:13. > :00:14.infants. Tackling child poverty and disadvantage, delivering real social
:00:15. > :00:20.reform, is a key priority for the Government. Only by tackling the
:00:21. > :00:26.root causes, not just the symptoms, Willie Mae gaining even though --
:00:27. > :00:29.will we make a meaningful difference. For these reasons that
:00:30. > :00:35.we introduced two new statutory measures. Tackling children's
:00:36. > :00:38.education attainment. We know that can make a big difference to
:00:39. > :00:42.disadvantaged children. The forthcoming Green paper on social
:00:43. > :00:46.Justice will build on these measures and set out how we identified and
:00:47. > :00:51.tackle the root causes of property. Alongside our policy targeted at
:00:52. > :00:54.helping people progress in that and potential, we are also committed to
:00:55. > :00:59.continuing to modernising and professional writing the services
:01:00. > :01:06.and supporting our job centre's of. -- that our job centres offer. We
:01:07. > :01:10.need to make the most of the opportunities offered. I'm pleased
:01:11. > :01:13.that the honourable members cabaret star plans for the job centre is
:01:14. > :01:24.made as they are one of the best examples of how we are in fact doing
:01:25. > :01:33.this. After 20 years, Labour's PFI contract covering many DWP offices
:01:34. > :01:36.is nearing an end and expires at the end of March 20 18. This gives us an
:01:37. > :01:41.opportunity to review how the department delivers modern services
:01:42. > :01:47.and ensure that gets the best deal. As I've already mentioned, revolves
:01:48. > :01:53.like Universal Credit, our universe revolutionising this. This better
:01:54. > :01:58.suits to the of claimants. I give away. Thank you. I wonder if he
:01:59. > :02:01.would comment regarding the disability employment gap because
:02:02. > :02:05.surely closing job centres actually makes obtaining employment less
:02:06. > :02:13.accessible people with disability and increases the hurdles they face
:02:14. > :02:16.in doing so. As you know, at the house knows, reducing the disability
:02:17. > :02:19.employment gap is absolute priority for the Government and I'm pleased
:02:20. > :02:22.to see that it is now narrowing and we're making progress but there is a
:02:23. > :02:26.great deal more to do. Nvidia denies that. We have to make sure there are
:02:27. > :02:31.more opportunities available to people with disabilities, including
:02:32. > :02:36.through our network. Nobody denies that. We have to make sure we have
:02:37. > :02:40.the resort is in place to have all the people, facilities and causes
:02:41. > :02:49.that can help support those people. -- courses. The paint has dropped
:02:50. > :02:56.from 1.5 million to 800,000 now. We are using only a small percent of
:02:57. > :03:02.the floor space. That's 20% of the value of 100% of the. Every penny we
:03:03. > :03:09.spend on space under this Labour PFI is money that could be back in the
:03:10. > :03:11.public purse helping to protect vital services and... I have to ask
:03:12. > :03:18.his forgiveness. Those services and the board include our own because
:03:19. > :03:24.they are expanding what region. We expect to have over 2000 more were
:03:25. > :03:29.cages in 201890 to date. In deciding what changes it is reasonable to
:03:30. > :03:34.make the VSA, we consider the impact on claimants, including travel time.
:03:35. > :03:38.We think it's reasonable to ask somebody to attend a new job centre
:03:39. > :03:47.less than three miles, 20 minutes by public transport, Wayne. Many
:03:48. > :03:56.claimants -- away. Many travel considerably further, as the many
:03:57. > :04:00.people in work. The UK, and has devolved powers were ?2.7 billion to
:04:01. > :04:06.the Scottish Government. Scotland can top up benefits and it can
:04:07. > :04:11.create new benefits. With that comes the corresponding responsibility and
:04:12. > :04:15.accountability and I was interested to note that the guy Scottish
:04:16. > :04:19.Government is to return to fortnightly payments and direct
:04:20. > :04:21.payments to landlords. We believe we should minimise the difference
:04:22. > :04:26.between the out of work welfare support system and the will of work
:04:27. > :04:31.to facilitate people's transition into work. Few employers paid
:04:32. > :04:35.fortnightly and even fewer have a direct relationship with your
:04:36. > :04:41.landlord. We need to arrange alternative payment arrangements and
:04:42. > :04:43.that is not the right approach was that we appreciate the Scottish
:04:44. > :04:49.Government has a different view and it'll be interesting to see how the
:04:50. > :04:53.duo deliver. This Government's record speaks for itself. Poverty is
:04:54. > :05:02.down, child poverty is down, the deficit is down. The fastest growing
:05:03. > :05:05.G7 economy in 2016 and there are more people in work. The welfare
:05:06. > :05:10.system is supported and effective. Work for those who can, help for
:05:11. > :05:16.those who coo, care for those who can't. Taking together Universal
:05:17. > :05:18.Credit and our reform of jobs in the past to provide the modern,
:05:19. > :05:22.effective and compassionate welfare system we need to be able to
:05:23. > :05:23.continue to deliver on this promise. An economy and society which works
:05:24. > :05:34.fall. The question was as on the order
:05:35. > :05:37.paper, since when an amendment was proposed as on the order paper. The
:05:38. > :05:41.question is that the original words stand part of the question. Before I
:05:42. > :05:45.call the Labour spokesperson, I inform the House formerly, and some
:05:46. > :05:49.colleagues have been notified privately, that there will be a time
:05:50. > :05:55.limit on backbench speeches of three minutes in my attempt to ensure...
:05:56. > :05:59.And if the honourable gentleman listens he will learn... That
:06:00. > :06:06.everyone who sought to speak has the opportunity to do so. Fairness and
:06:07. > :06:12.equality, Mr McDonald. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. The Minister
:06:13. > :06:18.paints such a rosy picture, and yet we had the SNP spokesmen giving his
:06:19. > :06:23.cases from what he has experience and I could give cases, and I am
:06:24. > :06:27.sure members on the Government benches can also give cases they
:06:28. > :06:29.have been dealing with, whether in relation to work capability
:06:30. > :06:36.assessment, whether in relation to other cuts they have experienced. It
:06:37. > :06:43.is absolutely right we debate this very important point. The minister
:06:44. > :06:49.started expressing the commitment that the Prime Minister has made to
:06:50. > :06:53.a country that works for everyone. We need to scrutinise exactly those
:06:54. > :06:59.words. And, more to the point, if they are actually true. In
:07:00. > :07:03.particular, in relation to the Social Security policies and their
:07:04. > :07:09.impact on low income households, but, Mr Speaker, to understand the
:07:10. > :07:13.Government's attacks on the poor, and how they are so damaging, it is
:07:14. > :07:16.not just to understand how the experienced this but it is also
:07:17. > :07:20.about how damaging it is to the country as a whole, and we need to
:07:21. > :07:27.understand that in the context of inequalities. Now, I worked on this
:07:28. > :07:32.for over 20 years before I entered this House six years ago and I
:07:33. > :07:36.particularly focused on the effects of inequalities in income and wealth
:07:37. > :07:42.and on our health, and there is overwhelming evidence from the last
:07:43. > :07:44.30 years that shows the risk of prove health and lower life
:07:45. > :07:51.expectancy increases from high to low income groups -- the risk of
:07:52. > :07:55.poorer health. My dear friend Frank Dobson said there is no greater
:07:56. > :08:01.inequality, than knowing you will die sooner because you are badly
:08:02. > :08:05.off. This pattern of illness is systematically produced and
:08:06. > :08:15.universal. It is not about the individual, or biological factors.
:08:16. > :08:18.It is about this inherent systematic socially reproduced inequality. They
:08:19. > :08:24.are not inevitable. They can be changed, and for that we should all
:08:25. > :08:29.have hope. We know from pioneering work from professors Richard Wilson
:08:30. > :08:41.is in Chapecoense -- Richard Wilkinson and call that these do not
:08:42. > :08:43.affect... The also affect mental health, crime, happiness, and even
:08:44. > :08:48.trust between communities. The simple truth is the smaller the gap
:08:49. > :08:54.between rich and poor the better we all do. So when the Prime Minister
:08:55. > :08:58.claims she wants to tackle these burning injustices I have to ask
:08:59. > :09:03.her, where has she been? These injustices have been burning while
:09:04. > :09:05.she was a senior member of Government. Now she is Prime
:09:06. > :09:13.Minister, what is she doing to address them? And again I will go on
:09:14. > :09:17.to say, not a lot. This week, as the World Economic Forum gets underway
:09:18. > :09:22.in Davos, we hear the same warnings we heard from the IMF in 2015, that
:09:23. > :09:27.widening inequalities is the most defining challenge of our time. Last
:09:28. > :09:31.week we heard yet again of obscene pay ratios with top executives now
:09:32. > :09:35.earning 130 times more than the average employee takes on.
:09:36. > :09:40.Yesterday, Oxfam published the breathtaking figure that eight
:09:41. > :09:59.individuals have a combined wealth of more than half - half of the
:10:00. > :10:02.bottom... And the publishing of inequalities in the UK showed that
:10:03. > :10:05.pre-tax pay between high and low earners has risen. Since 2010
:10:06. > :10:08.working people on low incomes, particularly families with children,
:10:09. > :10:13.have lost proportionally more of their income than any other group.
:10:14. > :10:19.As a net result of tax and social security changes. This Government
:10:20. > :10:22.has glossed over this problem with the use of divisive rhetoric.
:10:23. > :10:27.Repeatedly they have fled poverty and inequality are the pathology of
:10:28. > :10:31.the individual rather than the result of structural flaws of their
:10:32. > :10:35.economic and public policies, particularly their social security
:10:36. > :10:45.policies. We have heard from the Minister that work is the route out
:10:46. > :10:49.of poverty. Contrary to this diverse of -- divisive narrative, why is it
:10:50. > :10:52.we more have people -- why is it we have more people in work in poverty
:10:53. > :10:56.than ever before? 7.4 million people. Three out of the four
:10:57. > :11:00.million children are living in families where they are working. How
:11:01. > :11:06.can this be a success story of this Government? When will the Government
:11:07. > :11:11.start to look at the structural issues in the labour market and the
:11:12. > :11:17.productivity crisis rather than victimising the poorest. Four out of
:11:18. > :11:20.the five people on low income now will still be on low income ten
:11:21. > :11:26.years later. What has this Government done about that? The
:11:27. > :11:29.motion raised some important questions hanging over the
:11:30. > :11:33.Government's flagship programme, universal credit. We supported the
:11:34. > :11:38.original principles of universal credit to make sure were always
:11:39. > :11:42.pays, by allowing people to work more hours without fear of being
:11:43. > :11:47.made worse off. Universal Credit had the potential to address inequality
:11:48. > :11:54.by targeting employment to support to those on low pay, reducing the
:11:55. > :11:58.cliff edge associated with other supports, such as tax credits, as
:11:59. > :12:02.the Minister said. We are a world away from the project initially
:12:03. > :12:07.lauded by this Government. We have been through seven delays in
:12:08. > :12:11.implementation, reset by the major authority, criticism from the
:12:12. > :12:15.National Audit Office, and costs spiralling out of control. Despite
:12:16. > :12:20.this, many practical issues of the programme, they have yet to be
:12:21. > :12:24.sorted out and a full working delivery is still a distant
:12:25. > :12:35.prospectors of our key flaws in the design. -- a distant prospect. There
:12:36. > :12:40.are key flaws in the design. As you can imagine, many people do not know
:12:41. > :12:44.how to reapply so it comes as a rather unpleasant surprise when the
:12:45. > :12:50.department then refuses them support. Can the Minister update us
:12:51. > :12:54.on progress and dealing with the issue of weekly payments? Perhaps we
:12:55. > :12:58.should look at the impact of Universal Credit's so-called long
:12:59. > :13:05.hello. The Guardian showed the weight of a shocking 42 days to
:13:06. > :13:09.receive the first payment said claimants to the banks, and in terms
:13:10. > :13:14.of the bank use, that was spiralling. One survey of landlords
:13:15. > :13:17.responsible for 3000 households and universal credit friend eight out of
:13:18. > :13:22.ten credits were in arrears. Will the minister commit to immediately
:13:23. > :13:31.reducing this waiting can? -- found that eight out of ten tenants were
:13:32. > :13:35.in arrears. And see to reducing the two-week delay. On sanctions, I am
:13:36. > :13:38.pleased the Government is finally seeing all the evidence for what it
:13:39. > :13:49.is, how damaging it is and its impact in getting people off. The
:13:50. > :13:52.impact on sanctions cannot be underestimated. But for the
:13:53. > :13:56.regulations for 2014, the Government is able to sanction people in work
:13:57. > :14:00.on low pay. We are now starting to see more people who are already
:14:01. > :14:05.working, doing the right thing, are being sanction because they are not
:14:06. > :14:09.working hard enough. They are on zero our contracts, the million
:14:10. > :14:20.people and zero our contracts, who are potentially under threat by
:14:21. > :14:23.this, -- zero-hour contract. I am happy to take it outside, gentle
:14:24. > :14:29.men, but people will not get enough time to speak so it... For a lower
:14:30. > :14:33.income families, most important has been the slashing by this
:14:34. > :14:36.Government, significantly undermining the principle that work
:14:37. > :14:46.will always pay under the scheme. Cuts to work allowances will mean an
:14:47. > :14:49.average claimants receive ?2000 a year less than if they were on
:14:50. > :14:56.universal credit. There was no impact in terms of the Autumn
:14:57. > :14:59.Statement on this. The gentle man, the honourable gentleman, has
:15:00. > :15:04.already mentioned about the impact of this Government's horrendous cuts
:15:05. > :15:12.to disabled people. Almost ?30 billion of cuts to people...
:15:13. > :15:15.Definitely going to see more than the 5 million people pushed into
:15:16. > :15:19.poverty, the 5 million disabled people. We also heard about the job
:15:20. > :15:26.centre closures as well. But what I would like to say, it seems, Mr
:15:27. > :15:30.Speaker, universal credit programme will no longer make work pay. It was
:15:31. > :15:35.built by a Government who believes the best we can help people into
:15:36. > :15:42.work is by shutting job centres. We believe that like our NHS the Social
:15:43. > :15:48.Security system should be based on principles of dignity, inclusion and
:15:49. > :15:53.support and Labour will do this. Thank you. Three minute limit now to
:15:54. > :15:58.apply. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Given it to the minute I will not take any
:15:59. > :16:01.interventions, so I shall continue. I stood on a platform of getting
:16:02. > :16:07.Britain working again, reforming the welfare system. That is failing some
:16:08. > :16:11.of the most vulnerable people in this country and in my constituency.
:16:12. > :16:14.For too long people were on welfare and remained on it and it is worth
:16:15. > :16:21.noting that long-term unemployment doubled between 2008 and 2010. Major
:16:22. > :16:25.changes to things that sold directly affect people in their day-to-day
:16:26. > :16:30.lives are never easy, or necessarily popular. But our welfare system
:16:31. > :16:34.needed changing and I am delighted that our Government is taking it so
:16:35. > :16:39.seriously. I am determined to make sure those who want work, and those
:16:40. > :16:42.who cannot work as well, are supported, and that is what we need,
:16:43. > :16:46.and that help is at hand from this Government. So far we have seen
:16:47. > :16:52.monumental change. It is not easy. As a former member of the work and
:16:53. > :16:54.pensions committee are always welcome the Department's attitude to
:16:55. > :16:59.universal credit, in terms of rolling it out then considering the
:17:00. > :17:04.changes and seeing the impact, then changing and adapting and rolling it
:17:05. > :17:07.out again, and I welcome the pace of delivery of Universal Credit,
:17:08. > :17:10.because we are listening, looking at evidence and performing as we go,
:17:11. > :17:14.the correct way to do it in my opinion. The single best thing any
:17:15. > :17:20.Government can do for low income families is to ensure we have a
:17:21. > :17:23.strong economy. Since that 2010 election I am delighted this
:17:24. > :17:29.Government has put that at the heart of what we are doing. Unemployment
:17:30. > :17:33.is now at the joint lowest rate of 4.8% over the ten years. With 2.7
:17:34. > :17:37.million more people in work over the last six years. With more women,
:17:38. > :17:44.older workers and ethnic minorities in work than ever before. The annual
:17:45. > :17:48.average income of the poorest fifth of households has risen in real
:17:49. > :17:54.terms compared to 2007 and 2008, that is the bottom fifth of
:17:55. > :17:57.households income up ?700. This House has heard on many occasions
:17:58. > :18:03.the benefit of work and improved our social networks, with the increasing
:18:04. > :18:07.happiness and health. I am proud of the Government's achievement in
:18:08. > :18:14.getting more and work. And this is in stark contrast to the Opposition
:18:15. > :18:18.and their rhetoric. And part of this change in Universal Credits, the
:18:19. > :18:21.biggest change in welfare in this country for a generation, it has
:18:22. > :18:25.been welfare claimants become much more likely to move into work,
:18:26. > :18:29.compared to those on jobseeker's allowance. I would like to end, Mr
:18:30. > :18:37.Speaker, given I will be timed, and that is that working age adults in
:18:38. > :18:44.working families are four times more likely to be living on low income.
:18:45. > :18:47.The report in 2015 found that 74% of workless families moving into
:18:48. > :18:53.full-time employment exited poverty, and that is terrific. Mr Speaker, I
:18:54. > :18:56.will know sit down. Thank you. Before we proceed to the next
:18:57. > :19:05.Speaker, we come to the seven o'clock motion. I beg to move, Mr
:19:06. > :19:13.Speaker. Thank you. You have indeed Julie moved. Thank you, Mr Speaker
:19:14. > :19:18.-- you have indeed duly moved. The question is as the order paper. As
:19:19. > :19:20.many as are of the opinion, say 'aye'. To the contrary, 'no'. I
:19:21. > :19:25.think that ayes have it. Stuart McDonald... That is way above my pay
:19:26. > :19:30.grade, but I thank you nonetheless, Mr Speaker. I have to take my hat
:19:31. > :19:32.off to the Minister and his colleagues at the Department of Work
:19:33. > :19:37.and Pensions because he has managed to do something I never thought
:19:38. > :19:41.possible, he has managed to unite Scottish Labour politicians and SNP
:19:42. > :19:48.politicians against the job centre closure plan, which will be the
:19:49. > :19:52.focus of my remarks. If he will listen, I will educate him. Can I
:19:53. > :19:58.say to the Minister has plan has gone down like a bucket of cold sick
:19:59. > :20:01.not just amongst my constituents, but amongst trade unions, the
:20:02. > :20:05.Catholic Church, the Church of Scotland and in Glasgow City
:20:06. > :20:11.Council. The city I represent that has the highest unemployment rate in
:20:12. > :20:14.Scotland, and that is not a bad I am proud of. I would want to work with
:20:15. > :20:20.the Minister to improve that, but I do not see how you can improve that,
:20:21. > :20:27.Madame Deputy Speaker, by reducing the number of job centres from 16 to
:20:28. > :20:30.eight, a 50% cut in what is supposed to be a 20% reduction elsewhere.
:20:31. > :20:36.Glasgow being targeted by the Tories yet again. I will take no muttering
:20:37. > :20:42.from the backbenches of the Tories either. Let me invite each and every
:20:43. > :20:44.one of them who will vote for the Government to come to Castlemilk.
:20:45. > :20:49.They will meet some of my constituents who will be expected to
:20:50. > :20:55.do an eight mile round trip, opted three buses. But of course ministers
:20:56. > :21:01.would not know about any of this because they have relied on Google
:21:02. > :21:08.maps in order to put this proposal together. Google, is not the new
:21:09. > :21:15.Britannic isolation I would have expected. But let me say this. Let
:21:16. > :21:19.me add this. Where is the Scottish secretary on these plans? Why have
:21:20. > :21:24.we not heard anything from our Secretary of State in fighting for
:21:25. > :21:28.Glasgow and standing up for Scotland against these proposals? And let me
:21:29. > :21:32.say that the honourable lady muttering from a sedentary position,
:21:33. > :21:35.the Minister was asked by me, how many people in Langside and
:21:36. > :21:38.Castlemilk job centre in my constituency claim disability living
:21:39. > :21:43.allowance? The answer back was that they do not know. Jobseeker's
:21:44. > :21:46.allowance, they do not know. How many people are disabled that use
:21:47. > :21:52.Glasgow job centres across the city? They do not know. So what of the
:21:53. > :21:58.public sector equality duty? How confident is the Minister that he is
:21:59. > :22:03.not going to breach the obligations he has under the 2010 equality act,
:22:04. > :22:05.because we still have no equality impact assessment?