30/01/2017

:00:00. > :00:00.I'm very happy to consider. It's the first suggestion I've heard as to

:00:00. > :00:00.how that particular anniversary may be commemorated but it's certainly

:00:07. > :00:12.worth looking into. THE SPEAKER: Urgent question. Ronnie

:00:13. > :00:16.Cowan. I asked the Minister for Work and pensions to make a statement

:00:17. > :00:21.under proposed closure of our Jobcentre Plus offices throughout

:00:22. > :00:25.the United Kingdom. Thank you, Mr Speaker. On Thursday

:00:26. > :00:29.26th January, the DWP published proposals for the future of its

:00:30. > :00:33.estate including Jobcentres and back office sites. This Government is

:00:34. > :00:38.committed to helping people who can work, get back into work. Since 2010

:00:39. > :00:43.we have seen the claimant count drop from almost 1.5 million to around

:00:44. > :00:47.800,000 and we have seen employment rise by 2.7 million to near record

:00:48. > :00:51.levels. Old office contracts that are held by Jobcentres and benefits

:00:52. > :00:55.centres are coming up for renewal and in the 20 years since the

:00:56. > :00:58.contracts were signed, the welfare system's undergone large scale

:00:59. > :01:02.reform. The roll out of Universal Credit and reforms of Jobcentre Plus

:01:03. > :01:06.have increased the number of digital interactions claimants now have with

:01:07. > :01:12.us. Eight out of ten claims for jobseeker's allowance are made

:01:13. > :01:15.online, and 99.6% of applicants for Universal Credit full service

:01:16. > :01:21.committed their claim online. This has resulted in the DWP buildings

:01:22. > :01:24.being used much less, 20% of the DWP estate is currently under utilised.

:01:25. > :01:29.As we renegotiate our out-of-date contracts, we are merging some

:01:30. > :01:33.smaller Jobcentres with larger ones and collocating others with local

:01:34. > :01:36.government premises. This will help DWP offer a better service for

:01:37. > :01:39.people looking for work whilst delivering a better deal for the

:01:40. > :01:46.taxpayer, saving around ?180 million a year for the next ten years. This

:01:47. > :01:50.means we can bolster the report with a recruitment drive to hire 2500

:01:51. > :01:54.work coaches. Of course, DWP staff will be consulted about the changes

:01:55. > :01:59.and the vast majority will have the option to relocate or will be

:02:00. > :02:06.offered alternative roles. For any vulnerable claimants, we'll put in

:02:07. > :02:10.place robust procedures such as offering home visits or alternative

:02:11. > :02:14.things to make sure they get the support they need. The UK

:02:15. > :02:20.Government's proposal to drastically cut the number of Jobcentres and

:02:21. > :02:24.offices across Scotland and in the UK, including my constituency, will

:02:25. > :02:28.have a profound impact on thousands seeking work and the support to

:02:29. > :02:32.which they are entitled. It's an insult, there is a distinct lack of

:02:33. > :02:36.consultation with the communities affected and with the Government in

:02:37. > :02:39.Scotland that lack of consultation is against the principles of the

:02:40. > :02:44.agreement. Can the minister explain to me why no consultation took place

:02:45. > :02:49.before the announcement of the closures. Further more, my

:02:50. > :02:53.constituency of Inverclyde, the proposals to close Glasgow Jobcentre

:02:54. > :02:58.and make people of three areas travel miles to access DWP services.

:02:59. > :03:03.Disappointingly this model has been replicated across the UK. It's an

:03:04. > :03:06.utter disgrace and could push vulnerable people further into

:03:07. > :03:10.crisis. With added travel distance and costs placed upon individuals,

:03:11. > :03:14.many of whom have little or no readily available funds to pay for

:03:15. > :03:18.that commute. What assurances can the minister

:03:19. > :03:23.provide my constituents that they still have readily available access

:03:24. > :03:28.to Jobcentres and DWP services? This should be far more than a spread

:03:29. > :03:33.sheet exercise. I would ask the minister put people first. Many

:03:34. > :03:38.Jobcentre staff work hard to build good working relationships with the

:03:39. > :03:42.service users. They're aware of specific issues and needs. Can the

:03:43. > :03:48.minister guarantee the service users the continuity and quality of those

:03:49. > :03:54.working relationships? The minister is so certain that these measures

:03:55. > :03:58.are required, will she at least halt the measures until a quality

:03:59. > :04:06.assessment is contucked and a full consultation of all sites have taken

:04:07. > :04:10.place and, if not, why not? Lots of points to reflect upon

:04:11. > :04:13.there. I think most importantly, what we want to see is service

:04:14. > :04:19.delivery to the claimants and the honourable gentleman was right to

:04:20. > :04:22.focus on claimants in constituency. Claimant count in his constituency

:04:23. > :04:26.is down 39% but I believe it's critical that we seek to maintain

:04:27. > :04:31.that relationship between work coaches and the claimants they have

:04:32. > :04:35.been working with, which is why we'll seek to keeply Kate that when

:04:36. > :04:39.coaches are worked to a new centre. Claimants will have the ability, not

:04:40. > :04:42.necessarily to go to the Jobcentre which falls within the catchment

:04:43. > :04:51.centre but to choose the one that works best for them. As we are very

:04:52. > :04:56.conscious, many people in employment already travel significant distances

:04:57. > :04:59.to work. We are making sure that where the changes fall outside the

:05:00. > :05:04.ministerial criteria, there is a public consultation and we'll be

:05:05. > :05:06.using that to reflect upon our public sector duty which we take

:05:07. > :05:11.very seriously indeed. THE SPEAKER: I am keen to

:05:12. > :05:13.accommodate the considerable interest in this subject but I

:05:14. > :05:17.should point out to the House and remind those who previously knew,

:05:18. > :05:22.that there is a statement by the Foreign Secretary to follow and

:05:23. > :05:27.thereafter, other important and likely to be well subscribed

:05:28. > :05:32.business, so there is a premium upon brevity from back and frontbenches

:05:33. > :05:36.alike. Would the minister agree that the Government's success in reducing

:05:37. > :05:41.unemployment leads to the need to look at reducing the amount of

:05:42. > :05:46.offices that that would require? As my right honourable friend will

:05:47. > :05:52.have heard me say, the Jobcentres that we are looking at, in some

:05:53. > :05:55.cases they're under 20% occupied. It's absolutely critical and

:05:56. > :05:59.appropriate that we look at how we use our estate and we reflect on

:06:00. > :06:04.providing the best service to jobseekers and also value for money

:06:05. > :06:09.for the taxpayer. Thank you, Mr Speaker. We strongly

:06:10. > :06:13.oppose the benches for the closure of one in ten Jobcentres in the UK.

:06:14. > :06:17.What assessment has the department made of the the impact of these

:06:18. > :06:21.closures on claimants, both in terms of travel times and additional

:06:22. > :06:25.costs? Will it consider issuing guidance to staff to take into

:06:26. > :06:29.account increased travel times when issuing sanctions? Accessibility is

:06:30. > :06:32.a major issue for many disabled people. The Government's said it

:06:33. > :06:36.aims to half the disability employment gap in the lifetime of

:06:37. > :06:40.this Parliament. How do the planned closures fit with that aim from this

:06:41. > :06:43.April lone parents will be obliged to prepare for work through

:06:44. > :06:48.interviews with work coaches once a child is three years old rather than

:06:49. > :06:51.five, as is currently the case. We are particularly concerned about the

:06:52. > :06:55.impact on women, children and people with disabilities. Will the

:06:56. > :07:01.Government publish an assessment of the impact of the proposals on

:07:02. > :07:03.equality issues? The Government is continuing to roll out Universal

:07:04. > :07:07.Credit and for the first time people in work will have to attend

:07:08. > :07:11.interviews at Jobcentres. Will the Government delay its plans to reduce

:07:12. > :07:15.its estate until it has a clearer idea on what the demand on

:07:16. > :07:20.Jobcentres and staff will be under Universal Credit? The Government's

:07:21. > :07:24.hopes seems to be that unit vestal credit claims will be managed

:07:25. > :07:30.online. Many people are not confident using IT and may not have

:07:31. > :07:34.access to a PC laptop or tablet. What provision will be made for

:07:35. > :07:38.those having difficulties in the areas where a Jobcentre is earmarked

:07:39. > :07:43.for closure? The plans are not thought through and will have a

:07:44. > :07:44.damaging impact on the way that vital employment support is

:07:45. > :07:50.provided. The Government should think again.

:07:51. > :07:54.As the honourable lady will have heard me say, the vast majority of

:07:55. > :07:58.claimants are accessing services online and that is a relationship we

:07:59. > :08:02.welcome and encourage. For vulnerable claimants, we have made

:08:03. > :08:06.it very clear that they'll be able to access claims by post, in some

:08:07. > :08:09.circumstances, particularly where they find it difficult to access a

:08:10. > :08:17.Jobcentre or they have childcare responsibilities. I think that's a

:08:18. > :08:21.very important distinction to make. The honourable lady talks about

:08:22. > :08:24.accessibility. Where there is a difference between the ministerial

:08:25. > :08:28.criteria of three miles or 20 minutes, we'll seek to hold a public

:08:29. > :08:30.consultation which will feed into our equality analysis so we can best

:08:31. > :08:41.understand the impact on claimants. One thing that impressed me at DWP

:08:42. > :08:44.was the quality of work coaches and their capacity to support change in

:08:45. > :08:50.people's lives. If there is an opportunity to spend less on near

:08:51. > :08:56.empty bricks and mortars, isn't that the right thing to do? I thank my

:08:57. > :09:02.honourable friend for that question. He is right, our work coaches are at

:09:03. > :09:07.the front line of delivering services to claimant, helping them

:09:08. > :09:13.not just into work, but then into more work and better paid work. We

:09:14. > :09:17.are looking to make sure that our DWP estate best reflects value for

:09:18. > :09:24.money for our taxpayers and of course providing the services that

:09:25. > :09:27.we need for claimants. Can I refer to the House to my register of

:09:28. > :09:32.interests and say that the government appears to be making the

:09:33. > :09:35.same error as they have with the announcement of Glasgow closure

:09:36. > :09:42.programme. Can the minister tell us why the Scottish Government was not

:09:43. > :09:47.consulted as per the Smith agreement and why she has said in answer to my

:09:48. > :09:51.honourable friend that job centres of catchment areas when written

:09:52. > :09:56.questions of this House suggested that there are no catchment areas,

:09:57. > :10:03.can the minister tell us in the written statement the minister

:10:04. > :10:10.indicated that redundancies may be required, can we have more detail

:10:11. > :10:14.and for claimants having to travel longer distances. Particularly with

:10:15. > :10:20.caring responsibility. He will of course be conscious as an employer

:10:21. > :10:24.the DWP has sought to put their staff first and make sure they're

:10:25. > :10:30.informed first of the proposals. We need to make sure there is good

:10:31. > :10:34.working relations with the Scottish Government and the employment

:10:35. > :10:39.minister travelled to the Musselburgh job centre the week

:10:40. > :10:44.before last. It matters that people get to the job centre most

:10:45. > :10:48.convenient to them, that may not be the one allocated to them. But could

:10:49. > :10:51.be one they choose themselves. We are seeking to make sure people can

:10:52. > :11:03.work with their work coach and go to the job Sen he job centre that is

:11:04. > :11:12.most appropriate to them. This a proposal to relocate a job centre in

:11:13. > :11:17.my area, will there be no reduction in the services to my constituents

:11:18. > :11:21.and while we want to see value for money, could she send me the

:11:22. > :11:25.detailed analysis of costs and savings from this move, because it

:11:26. > :11:31.is just around the corner and with need to make sure it makes sense and

:11:32. > :11:39.provides the value for money she is rightly seeking. In many instances

:11:40. > :11:46.colocations as my honourable friend has described provide the best

:11:47. > :11:53.solution. We have consulting closely with job centre staff to make sure

:11:54. > :12:07.their new role and location fit with what they wa where then be

:12:08. > :12:12.redeployed to other roles. In 2010 I had three job centres. One has

:12:13. > :12:16.closed and now she has wants to close the other two. We have the

:12:17. > :12:26.highest level of unemployment. Why does she want to make it harder for

:12:27. > :12:28.people who have to access support? I thank the honourable lady for that

:12:29. > :12:33.question. It is of course important to reflect that what we are trying

:12:34. > :12:38.to do is make it easier for claimants who interact with the DWP

:12:39. > :12:43.to do so and look at where we can get involved in out reach projects

:12:44. > :12:46.as has happened in various points and make sure where there are

:12:47. > :12:55.special circumstances and people are vulnerable, this they can be given

:12:56. > :13:01.help with travel. Shipley centre has a excellent local rapport with the

:13:02. > :13:05.Salvation Army who provide help and support for many people who go to

:13:06. > :13:12.the job centre. Can I ask the minister to look at local

:13:13. > :13:16.circumstances before she goes ahead with her closure programme and tell

:13:17. > :13:19.me what consultation will take place with the local community and the

:13:20. > :13:26.staff at the Shipley job centre to make sure any decisions that are

:13:27. > :13:29.taken are the right ones for the people in the areas. I thank the

:13:30. > :13:33.honourable gentleman for that question. Of course, where services

:13:34. > :13:43.are low kamented, we are seeking -- located we are we are seeking to

:13:44. > :13:48.consult with staff and claimants to understand what is best for them.

:13:49. > :13:53.This is brought about because of contract that will end in 2018, it

:13:54. > :14:01.would be irresponsible not to reflect on how we are making best

:14:02. > :14:08.use of estate when 20% of it is underutilised. Can she give it a

:14:09. > :14:15.rest with the jargon. Actually she is closing job centres. One job

:14:16. > :14:22.centre in Nottingham, where we have twice the average unemployment, it

:14:23. > :14:26.was opened at a time by Lord Heseltine after civil disturbances

:14:27. > :14:29.in the city and it has matched people with vacancies, please will

:14:30. > :14:34.she think again? It is important to match people with vacancies, but it

:14:35. > :14:41.is also important to make the best use of the estate. This is an

:14:42. > :14:46.opportunity to reflect on the fact that 20% of space is underutilised

:14:47. > :14:55.when we should not be wasting taxpayers' money. While I support

:14:56. > :15:01.rationalisation of any service, brig House is the largest one in the area

:15:02. > :15:07.and to relocate it uphill and down dale will be a dis aster the to

:15:08. > :15:11.those who rely on it. Can my honourable friend assure me those

:15:12. > :15:17.who have put forward the proposals have visited places like this to

:15:18. > :15:22.understand the demographics and geography, or have they sat in

:15:23. > :15:27.Whitehall using Google maps? I tank my honourable friend for that

:15:28. > :15:33.question. This is is not an exercise using Google maps. It is an exercise

:15:34. > :15:37.we have engaged in over many months to make the best use of estate. It

:15:38. > :15:42.is important when we are not using the space that we have, but are

:15:43. > :15:48.paying for it, that we think very hard about how we can best provide

:15:49. > :15:53.services to claimants. Can the minister tell us if she has done

:15:54. > :15:58.another Glasgow, because before Christmas, her department announced

:15:59. > :16:03.eight of 16 closures in Glasgow, calculated using Google maps. Has

:16:04. > :16:07.she done the same again? The honourable gentleman and I of course

:16:08. > :16:14.discussed this in Westminster Hall a few weeks ago. It is important that

:16:15. > :16:19.we reflect upon not only geographic location, but travel patterns so

:16:20. > :16:24.people can get to the job centre convenient to them and do not

:16:25. > :16:29.allocate the centre we want them to go to, but they can choose and make

:16:30. > :16:36.sure that they have the best access to facilities. In 2013 I sat on the

:16:37. > :16:40.work and pensions select committee and reported on job centres and we

:16:41. > :16:43.found it is more important to have quality over quantity. Does my

:16:44. > :16:48.honourable friend agree it is more important to have modern, efficient

:16:49. > :16:52.services in our job centres such as disabled access and it is about the

:16:53. > :16:57.outcomes. Jobs in this country, and we have more than ever and it is

:16:58. > :17:00.about getting the long-term unemployed into work. My honourable

:17:01. > :17:04.friend is right and this Government has done a great job in getting

:17:05. > :17:09.people into work. But its important that we also do that by working

:17:10. > :17:14.through our work coaches who have visited in many centres who are

:17:15. > :17:16.working as hard as they can to help individual and it is those

:17:17. > :17:22.relationships that are the ones that we must focus on. Isn't there a more

:17:23. > :17:30.sinister reason as well as some of the ones that have been discussed?

:17:31. > :17:37.And that is the operation of agency workers in most of the ex-mining

:17:38. > :17:43.areas where people don't use the job centre, principally because as many

:17:44. > :17:48.as 500 at a time can be brought in working on zero hour contracts and

:17:49. > :17:54.as a result don't go to the job centre at all. That is one of the

:17:55. > :17:58.reasons. I would like to reassure the honourable gentleman this is not

:17:59. > :18:06.about anything sinister, but looking at the best use of the estate and at

:18:07. > :18:13.value for money and also looking at our unemployment rated that is down

:18:14. > :18:19.significantly. Thank you. While the staff and the users of the office in

:18:20. > :18:23.Bury will be delighted the office will remain open, can my honourable

:18:24. > :18:30.friend say when her department next plans to review the number of

:18:31. > :18:34.Jobcentre Plus offices? As I have said this review is part of the

:18:35. > :18:41.prime contract which was established in 1998. It is nearly 20 years old

:18:42. > :18:45.and expires next year. All of these proposals are part of making the

:18:46. > :18:53.best use of contract and looking forward to what we need to provide

:18:54. > :19:08.in the future as well as now. Sorry. Thank you. The two job centre Ms

:19:09. > :19:14.centres in my area are being relocated. I need to know why the

:19:15. > :19:18.decision is being taken. We haven't got the evidence and I am concerned

:19:19. > :19:22.about the fact that in Lambeth in particular there still is a problem

:19:23. > :19:26.with gang culture and young people in particular don't want to move

:19:27. > :19:30.from one area to another and will she please look at this again and

:19:31. > :19:34.talk to people in Lambeth, before this decision is taken? The

:19:35. > :19:39.honourable lady make an important point and what we are conscious of

:19:40. > :19:43.is we want people to be able to access centres that they feel

:19:44. > :19:48.comfortable with. Sometimes we send out visiting where people feel

:19:49. > :19:54.vulnerable and they don't wish to go to a job centre. I have seen that

:19:55. > :20:00.with claimants accesses services with telephone, if they feel

:20:01. > :20:04.vulnerable. I take on board her points about our equality duty that

:20:05. > :20:07.we take seriously and we are carrying out an equality analysis

:20:08. > :20:17.and talking to claimants to understand how this is going to

:20:18. > :20:22.impact them. Over the last seven years, unemployment in my area has

:20:23. > :20:26.halved, but the people who are still unemploy rd the more difficult

:20:27. > :20:29.people to place. The people of Edgeware will be wondering what they

:20:30. > :20:34.have done to upset public services with the closure of two libraries

:20:35. > :20:39.and the job centre. Can my honourable friend look at the

:20:40. > :20:49.potential not only for home visits, but possibly satellite visits using

:20:50. > :20:55.commercial ial premises so job organisation can run these. The DWP

:20:56. > :20:59.is doing that. Outreach is an important part of our products to

:21:00. > :21:06.enable people to get back into work and we will look at best ways to

:21:07. > :21:15.deliver that across the country. Sni Closure of the last job centre in my

:21:16. > :21:21.constituency will require people to pay an extra ?6 on bus fares. Will

:21:22. > :21:27.Jobcentre Plus reimburse those people? I thank the honourable

:21:28. > :21:32.gentleman for that question, where people are required to sign on more

:21:33. > :21:38.frequently, we will loo too reimburse costs. But across London

:21:39. > :21:44.the claimant count is down by 24.6% and there are fewer people who are

:21:45. > :21:50.claimants and we are trying to work with those people. It is very well

:21:51. > :21:53.to talk about job centres in London, but in rural Lancashire, my

:21:54. > :22:00.constituents in Edgeware will have to travel over an hour to get to

:22:01. > :22:09.Blackburn if they close the job centres. They're hard working,

:22:10. > :22:17.successful and anybody who thinks you can get there in 20 minutes is

:22:18. > :22:22.living in what land. Yes and he represents an area where people are

:22:23. > :22:29.used to having to travel. Where claimants have to travel by more

:22:30. > :22:38.than an hour we are looking to put in arrangement, including claims by

:22:39. > :22:44.post. The centre is due for closure and I deal with vulnerable people

:22:45. > :22:49.week in week out and they have have to travel to get advice, what

:22:50. > :22:50.assessment was made before this announcement was made about the

:22:51. > :23:02.effects? The consultations we are carrying

:23:03. > :23:08.out with stuff in the feed into the quality analysis we are carrying

:23:09. > :23:13.out. The number of unemployment people has fallen from over 2000 and

:23:14. > :23:18.2010 at just over 900 and recognise those of local people are in

:23:19. > :23:21.employment. Would you agree that one of the key achievements that

:23:22. > :23:25.hard-working Jobcentre staff is to get many people online for the first

:23:26. > :23:34.time as improving their employability? My honourable friend

:23:35. > :23:38.is exactly right. But only should we be selecting the high number of

:23:39. > :23:47.people and Kettering and work. But also the additional skills they have

:23:48. > :23:52.been helped. And implement may be falling but forecasts suggest Brexit

:23:53. > :23:58.may stagnate this decline. What assessment has the Government made

:23:59. > :24:04.of the abilities they to stretch up support if an implement begins to

:24:05. > :24:11.increase in the future? Thank you. I would like to direct her attention

:24:12. > :24:15.to the National Audit Office report of 2005 which says at one of the

:24:16. > :24:19.department's mean it needs is flexibility and the amount of

:24:20. > :24:22.accommodation that users. We are making sure that we are eating and

:24:23. > :24:30.flexibility in the system to cope with future changes in the jobs

:24:31. > :24:34.market. For those out of work on other difficulties, it could be

:24:35. > :24:38.useful of organisations like the Jobcentre plus an the CABG and

:24:39. > :24:42.council officers and local law centres and agencies for those with

:24:43. > :24:47.disabilities were found in the same place. Prydie Minister of State the

:24:48. > :24:51.House on the extent to which regional Jobcentre plus managers are

:24:52. > :24:58.discussing this with local authorities? I do not intend to give

:24:59. > :25:02.able by blow account of the sensitive commercial negotiations,

:25:03. > :25:05.you will be aware that we are working very closely with local

:25:06. > :25:11.authorities and the voluntary and education sectors to make sure we

:25:12. > :25:16.can put in place call locations and I would direct to Lincoln that has

:25:17. > :25:23.proven to be a beacon of how we can best deliver services. Some of my

:25:24. > :25:26.constituents don't use the internet and the use of the Jobcentre

:25:27. > :25:32.resources to complete their job search. Will the Minister confirm

:25:33. > :25:45.that she will reimburse those who wish to travel to use Dewsbury

:25:46. > :25:49.Jobcentre? What we're looking at is how we can best support the

:25:50. > :25:53.vulnerable. She makes an important point about those who are not able

:25:54. > :25:57.to function with the claims online and I think it is crucial that we

:25:58. > :26:02.continue to look at how work coaches can work with them to make sure that

:26:03. > :26:10.provision whether it be outreach or a different location is best

:26:11. > :26:20.tailored to their needs. Wellington Jobcentre plus is due to be located

:26:21. > :26:22.to Telford, four miles away. Rest we have growing employment, what can

:26:23. > :26:32.the Minister do to mitigate the increased cost of long-term

:26:33. > :26:36.unemployment for those seeking work? Many job-seekers will already travel

:26:37. > :26:38.more than four miles to access the nearest Jobcentre and it is

:26:39. > :26:42.important that we remember not only that but that people in employment

:26:43. > :26:47.also be travelling significant distances in the daily commute. We

:26:48. > :26:51.are seeking to find the best solutions for individuals, to look

:26:52. > :27:00.at outreach, to look at co-location to find the best ways people can

:27:01. > :27:04.access services online to minimise disruption. The DWP Administration

:27:05. > :27:11.Centre in my constituency is closing, 300 jobs will be

:27:12. > :27:14.transferred out of Paisley. Can the Minister tell me about consideration

:27:15. > :27:18.of the economic impacts of this on in the area and whether there has

:27:19. > :27:26.been any consultation, and if not, why not? The most important aspect

:27:27. > :27:29.when it comes to co-location is of course the staff which I have been

:27:30. > :27:32.working closely with all the DWP staff to make sure we find roles for

:27:33. > :27:39.them elsewhere and give them the assistance they need should be

:27:40. > :27:42.choose to relocate them. Many of my constituents use the Jobcentre and

:27:43. > :27:48.also use the council 's housing services. And I welcome the decision

:27:49. > :27:52.to move a Jobcentre to the council offices when its lease expires in a

:27:53. > :28:01.few months which will be much more convenient? Co-location is an

:28:02. > :28:06.important part of a strategy and finding ways clinics can access DWP

:28:07. > :28:10.services and other organisations such as the local authority is part

:28:11. > :28:16.of the strategy and one that I am glad the honourable gentleman

:28:17. > :28:19.welcomes. The Minister has refused to answer this questions I will go

:28:20. > :28:24.for another chance. As she saying that she will reimburse the spheres

:28:25. > :28:28.of my constituents who will have to travel from the west end of

:28:29. > :28:31.Newcastle and to the centre of the sheet seriously proposing to make

:28:32. > :28:39.the most vulnerable people in Newcastle pay the cost of her

:28:40. > :28:44.failure? On one of my first visits as a DWP minister was to the

:28:45. > :28:49.Jobcentre in Newcastle and it was a great opportunity to see services

:28:50. > :28:52.are being delivered first-hand. It is important to reflect on the

:28:53. > :28:57.specific criteria and I am happy to answer the question. When people

:28:58. > :29:02.have to attend the Jobcentre more than once per fortnight to be will

:29:03. > :29:05.be reimbursing. When they have childcare responsibilities we are

:29:06. > :29:09.looking at different ways to deliver the service including claiming by

:29:10. > :29:13.post. We are conscious that many people already travel far further

:29:14. > :29:22.either to go to work to access and services. In Corby in eastern

:29:23. > :29:26.Northamptonshire, on climate is also down by over half but what

:29:27. > :29:32.assessment as my honourable friend made of the actual outcomes for

:29:33. > :29:38.job-seekers were Jobcentre plus facilities are in co-location with

:29:39. > :29:43.other services? It is important to reflect on some of our successful

:29:44. > :29:50.co-locations. I highlighted and Lincoln we put the outcome for

:29:51. > :29:54.job-seekers accessing many services in the same place and as good as

:29:55. > :29:58.better and as individual Jobcentres. It is important not to get hung up

:29:59. > :30:01.on the bricks and mortar but focus on the services that our work

:30:02. > :30:10.coaches provided to people looking for work. On the 23rd of January I

:30:11. > :30:13.ask the Secretary of State for the criteria are for the choir quality

:30:14. > :30:21.analysis and I was told that it requires us to pay due regard to the

:30:22. > :30:25.equality act 2010, will be undertaking a equality and analysis

:30:26. > :30:30.to include feedback from public consultation. As the only promotion

:30:31. > :30:36.of this public consultation has been by myself and by my colleagues, how

:30:37. > :30:42.can the Minister ensure that due regard has been Inc given to the

:30:43. > :30:48.equality act 2010? There are notices and all Jobcentres indicating that

:30:49. > :30:50.this has been ongoing, we have communicated with claimants and it

:30:51. > :30:56.is important that the reviews feed into this process. Does the

:30:57. > :31:00.Minister's department think there is any correlation between the ease of

:31:01. > :31:03.access to Jobcentre facilities and those seeking work and can she

:31:04. > :31:09.guarantee that anyone will not be sanctioned as a result of Jobcentres

:31:10. > :31:15.are being closed and a locality? We know very clearly that those

:31:16. > :31:18.claimants on universal credit are spending more time looking for work

:31:19. > :31:23.and the vast majority of those at job searches are done online and

:31:24. > :31:26.they are more successful. It is important that individual claimants

:31:27. > :31:33.have a relationship with their work coach so that when circumstances

:31:34. > :31:37.change, what if someone misses the boss of the late for an appointment?

:31:38. > :31:42.It is important and we want this through universal credit, people to

:31:43. > :31:46.have a good relationship with our work coaches so they give them the

:31:47. > :31:50.information and it is critical that of someone misses the appointment

:31:51. > :31:58.the actually tell us the reason why. As chair of the dissident auditory

:31:59. > :32:02.oral party parliamentary group, I am concerned about closing Jobcentres

:32:03. > :32:11.makes obtaining employment even less accessible for disabled claimants.

:32:12. > :32:15.Will attendants needed and personal beer fund be attended to older

:32:16. > :32:19.stippled constituents Coric many disabled claimants to access our

:32:20. > :32:24.services very successfully as I have said, the DWP has the visiting

:32:25. > :32:28.service which we can extend to all disabled claimants who ask for it

:32:29. > :32:33.whether circumstances mean they find it difficult to get into a

:32:34. > :32:36.Jobcentre. We want our work coaches to provide tailored support to a

:32:37. > :32:45.claimants and understand the specific needs. It is difficult to

:32:46. > :32:50.square the Minister's claim that she is merging small Jobcentres and to

:32:51. > :32:53.larger ones with a plan to close Hammersmith, the busiest of

:32:54. > :33:02.Jobcentres and our main town centre. Coming on top of closures of other

:33:03. > :33:08.services, isn't this a following out our public services? It is not a

:33:09. > :33:11.hobbling out of public services. It is about providing it at the most

:33:12. > :33:22.cost-effective place to the taxpayer. There was a proposal to

:33:23. > :33:27.shut the Jobcentre plus office one of eight and the City of Glasgow.

:33:28. > :33:33.Before that consultation had actually concluded, it closes

:33:34. > :33:37.tomorrow. This proposal as a bolt from the blue with no consultation,

:33:38. > :33:43.what does this Government have against the people of Glasgow? You

:33:44. > :33:45.will have heard me sing earlier that may that the Minister for employment

:33:46. > :33:53.was an muscle borough to beaks angle. She will remember the

:33:54. > :34:01.claimant count is down 42% since 2010 and have constituency. The

:34:02. > :34:04.Minister has talked a lot about job-seekers choosing the Jobcentre

:34:05. > :34:10.that works best for them. For many of my constituents that is the one

:34:11. > :34:15.she is proposing to close. She has talked about more than fortnightly

:34:16. > :34:18.claimants but does she not recognise that even for fortnightly claimants

:34:19. > :34:24.the huge additional travel costs she is imposing on those who can least

:34:25. > :34:28.afford it. You will be aware we expect claimants to travel up to one

:34:29. > :34:32.hour to seek work and it is important that we get the feedback

:34:33. > :34:38.from claimants, that we talk to staff and understand the impact and

:34:39. > :34:41.we're looking at outreach options, we can do DWP, visiting and many

:34:42. > :34:54.claimants will be able to conduct the claims online or by post. When

:34:55. > :34:57.the co-location proposals are happening for Springwatch with a

:34:58. > :35:02.medical centre that is good to be closing down, as a car park with

:35:03. > :35:07.disabled parking spaces, a bus stop at my constituents can service, it

:35:08. > :35:12.will move to a shopping centre with no parking half a mile from the

:35:13. > :35:18.nearest bus stop. How does that make an assessment? We are concerned that

:35:19. > :35:22.disabled claimants make us aware of the circumstances and the economic

:35:23. > :35:26.and the Jobcentre most convenient for them, they can benefit from the

:35:27. > :35:36.WP on visiting or conduct the claims online. How well you doesn't make

:35:37. > :35:43.sense to close the debt management service, the only one on wheels

:35:44. > :35:50.which is in, taking 93 jobs and sending them somewhere else and why

:35:51. > :35:53.are the closing and other office and Wales, is it a plan to put

:35:54. > :36:00.everything in Cardiff because I would say, yes Cardiff is on wheels

:36:01. > :36:04.but not all wheels is in Cardiff. Of course it isn't the plan to put all

:36:05. > :36:11.services in Cardiff and what we are seeking to do is make the best use

:36:12. > :36:14.of our mistakes, learn from what claimants and Jobcentre plus staff

:36:15. > :36:23.are telling us and make sure they get value for money for the

:36:24. > :36:29.taxpayer. The DWP said it wanted to reduce its estate by 20% but in

:36:30. > :36:33.Glasgow it is closing 50% and in Inverness the averaging locations by

:36:34. > :36:40.two thugs. Why is Glasgow losing out disproportionately? The Jobcentre

:36:41. > :36:44.plus and Glasgow has grown historically and has many more

:36:45. > :36:47.smaller Jobcentres than other parts of the country. This is about making

:36:48. > :36:55.best use of the premises and not having empty desk space. Lewisham

:36:56. > :37:00.has a higher than average unemployment rate and yet the

:37:01. > :37:05.Government is proposing to close the main Jobcentres. They want to squash

:37:06. > :37:14.it into an alternative, less accessible premises and Forest Hill.

:37:15. > :37:17.Will the Government Minister confirm that she will seek to find

:37:18. > :37:22.alternative premises and Lewisham town centre? This isn't about

:37:23. > :37:27.squashing anything, it is about making sure we have two desks in

:37:28. > :37:31.buildings are not empty desks and in some instances we have Jobcentres

:37:32. > :37:37.furthermore than 20% of desks and used. Unemployment is down nearly 5%

:37:38. > :37:40.across London since 2015 and it is important that we make the best use

:37:41. > :37:47.of the facilities we have and get the best value for the taxpayers.

:37:48. > :37:50.The DWP gave this says that reasonable expectation that

:37:51. > :37:56.claimants travel to an office within three miles. She plans to close the

:37:57. > :38:00.centre in my constituency which is six miles and 30 minutes. Will she

:38:01. > :38:05.reversed this decision and a she would rush put on a free bus that is

:38:06. > :38:06.accessible for my constituents and everyone else's so they are not left

:38:07. > :38:17.out in the cold? Because the circumstances are out

:38:18. > :38:21.side the ministerial cry tier iteria that, why we are having a

:38:22. > :38:25.consultation. An area in my constituency is due to be closed,

:38:26. > :38:31.does the minister not realise this is of great inconvenience and cost

:38:32. > :38:34.to my constituents, who are one of the lost well off areas of the

:38:35. > :38:40.country. What is she going to do about it? The honourable gentleman

:38:41. > :38:45.will of course be aware that we expect job seekers to be prepared to

:38:46. > :38:50.travel up to an hour for work. This is making the best use of the DWP

:38:51. > :38:57.estate we have in job centres up and down the country. Contrary to the

:38:58. > :39:01.ministers assertion, the DWP minister representative before

:39:02. > :39:07.Christmas it was confirmed to Glasgow MPs that they used Google

:39:08. > :39:15.maps. And service users will be forced to travel more than three

:39:16. > :39:21.miles, it takes 23 minutes from Easter House to Shettleston. Given I

:39:22. > :39:26.made the minister aware, can the minister tell me why Easterhouse was

:39:27. > :39:30.not included in the consultation? Thank you for that question. She

:39:31. > :39:36.will be aware as I have said, that we expect people who are looking for

:39:37. > :39:39.work to be prepared to travel greater than 23 minutes for work.

:39:40. > :39:47.She makes a point about the consultation that I will raise with

:39:48. > :39:51.the minister for employment. The industrial injuries team in Barrow

:39:52. > :39:58.has in years of expertise and that has enabled them to take the claims

:39:59. > :40:02.handling time on one of most complex benefits from 175 days to 33 days

:40:03. > :40:08.and that reduction has meant that some of the most vulnerable people

:40:09. > :40:12.in this country with terminally ill conditions have been able to receive

:40:13. > :40:21.benefits before they died, will she listen to their concerns if their

:40:22. > :40:26.ex-expertise is dissipated that many people will die before receiving

:40:27. > :40:32.their benefit? He makes an important point and it is crucial we do not

:40:33. > :40:39.lose expertise, that is why we will listen to staff to see how we can

:40:40. > :40:48.use that resource in the future. What a dilemma. I have been out in

:40:49. > :40:53.my constituency over the past two weekends, collecting signatures on

:40:54. > :40:58.the petition to keep Cambuslang job centre open. It has not been a

:40:59. > :41:11.difficult task, people are outraged with the decision and want to make

:41:12. > :41:14.their views known. Will she open the sultation process to all sites

:41:15. > :41:21.marked for closure. Thank you for that question. Of course, I am sure

:41:22. > :41:25.the minister for employment will be delighted to receive the petition

:41:26. > :41:31.and will reflect on the views expressed. For those of us losing

:41:32. > :41:34.local services, does the minister agree that the Prime Minister's

:41:35. > :41:38.vision of a shared society is nothing other than this Government's

:41:39. > :41:48.camouflage of attacking the most Protection of Vulnerable Groups run

:41:49. > :41:55.have been a -- attacking most run have been a. Vulnerable. And it is

:41:56. > :42:00.important that we make sure that our DWP estate and our work coaches are

:42:01. > :42:04.in the right locations to provide the best service and value for

:42:05. > :42:11.money. Grateful to all colleagues. Can I thank the minister for her

:42:12. > :42:18.succinct replies, perhaps she should send a copy of her text book to her

:42:19. > :42:22.colleagues. The Secretary of State for common wealth and foreign

:42:23. > :42:27.affair, Boris Johnson. I should like to make a statement on the

:42:28. > :42:31.implications for this country of the recent changes in US immigration

:42:32. > :42:37.policy. In view of the understandable concern and

:42:38. > :42:44.uncertainty, it may be helpful if I describe the consequences for

:42:45. > :42:51.British citizens and dual nationals. Let me say this is not UK policy and

:42:52. > :42:55.it is not our policy, nor is it a measure that this government would

:42:56. > :42:59.consider. I have already made clear our anxiety about measures that

:43:00. > :43:06.discriminate on grounds of nationality in ways that are

:43:07. > :43:11.divisive and wrong. In January, President Trump issued an executive

:43:12. > :43:23.order banning the citizens of seven countries from entering the. S US

:43:24. > :43:30.for a period of time. The order makes clear that no US visas will be

:43:31. > :43:37.issued to citizens of those states and anybody who already has a visa

:43:38. > :43:40.will be denied entry. This policy is a matter of course for the

:43:41. > :43:45.Government of the United States, but on the face of it this has

:43:46. > :43:51.consequences for some British citizens. For that reason, I spoke

:43:52. > :43:58.yesterday to the US administration and my honourable friend the Home

:43:59. > :44:03.Secretary has today spoke on the general Kelly, the Secretary of

:44:04. > :44:10.homeland security. I am able to provide the following clarification.

:44:11. > :44:19.The general principle is that all British passport holders remain

:44:20. > :44:25.welcome to travel to the US. We have received assurances from the US

:44:26. > :44:30.Embassy that this Executive order will make no difference to any

:44:31. > :44:35.British passport holder, irrepresentative of their country of

:44:36. > :44:39.-- irrepresentative of their country of birth or whether they hold

:44:40. > :44:44.another passport. The Executive order is a temporary measure

:44:45. > :44:49.intended to last for 90 days, until the US system adds new precautions.

:44:50. > :44:56.This is a highly controversial policy, which has caused unease and

:44:57. > :45:03.I repeat that this is not an approach that this Government would

:45:04. > :45:08.take. But let me conclude by reminding the House of the vital

:45:09. > :45:15.importance of this country's alliance with the United States. In

:45:16. > :45:21.defence, intelligence, which I'm sure they appreciate on that side.

:45:22. > :45:24.On defence, intelligence and security we work together more

:45:25. > :45:36.closely than any other countries in the world. That relationship ills is

:45:37. > :45:41.to our benefit. The Prime Minister's visit underlined the strength of

:45:42. > :45:47.that alliance. Where we have differences with the United States,

:45:48. > :45:54.we will not quail from expressing them, as I have done today... Order,

:45:55. > :45:59.let me say to the House, that it is obvious that there is huge interest

:46:00. > :46:03.in this matter, which colleagues can rely upon me to accommodate. I

:46:04. > :46:08.understand the strength of feeling, but the Foreign Secretary's

:46:09. > :46:16.statement and indeed upcoming his answers to questions, must be heard.

:46:17. > :46:19.Where we have differences with the United States we will not hesitate

:46:20. > :46:24.to express them as I have done today. If they were listening, if

:46:25. > :46:29.the members were listening, as the Prime Minister did yesterday, as she

:46:30. > :46:36.did indeed in her excellent speech in Philadelphia last week. But we

:46:37. > :46:39.will also, we also repeat our resolve to work the Trump

:46:40. > :46:49.administration in the mutual interest of both our countries and I

:46:50. > :46:53.commend this statement to the House. Mr Speaker, let me say this, I'm

:46:54. > :47:03.sure that the whole House will want to join me in expressing or sorrow

:47:04. > :47:08.at last night's gun attack on a Canadi mosque, that left six dead.

:47:09. > :47:15.They were all victims of hate and we are under a duty to stand up to

:47:16. > :47:22.hate. I thank the Foreign Secretary for advance sight of his statement.

:47:23. > :47:30.I thought there were a few pages missing. I want to ask about its

:47:31. > :47:35.timing. As the Secretary of State knows there are thousands in Britain

:47:36. > :47:41.who live here on a permanent basis but are nationals of seven listed

:47:42. > :47:45.countries and have no dual citizenship and many have fled

:47:46. > :47:49.persecution or war. Can the Secretary of State confirm that

:47:50. > :47:55.these thousands of British residents are barred from travelling to the

:47:56. > :48:00.United States. People like a doctor, an Iranian national living in and

:48:01. > :48:06.working in Glasgow who told she was could not fly home, she was going to

:48:07. > :48:10.need change planes in New York and if a Somali national with a

:48:11. > :48:16.temporary US visa is in the UK visiting family, can he confirm they

:48:17. > :48:21.can't return to the US. I hope he can clarify these points. Turning to

:48:22. > :48:31.the timing of this, this order was issued at 9.45 on Friday UK time. It

:48:32. > :48:37.then took No 10 until midnight on Saturday to say they will consider

:48:38. > :48:41.the impact on UK nationals and it took the Prime Minister until Sunday

:48:42. > :48:46.to tell the Foreign Secretary to telephone the White House and took

:48:47. > :48:52.him until midday to call the travel ban wrong. That is 38 hours. 38

:48:53. > :48:59.hours to have the courage to say what everyone else was saying on

:49:00. > :49:03.Friday night. And finally, 46 hours after the executive order we got

:49:04. > :49:11.clarification that UN that wills would not be affected. If this was

:49:12. > :49:16.because the wheels in Washington were slow, that would be

:49:17. > :49:24.understandable. But Canada were immediately in touch and by that

:49:25. > :49:28.evening has secured the rights of Canadian nationals, 17 hours before

:49:29. > :49:34.we secured our. Canada is supposed to be five hours behind the UK so,

:49:35. > :49:39.why were they a day ahead of us in this? And finally appoint on timing,

:49:40. > :49:44.the order was signed barely about hour or two after the Prime Minister

:49:45. > :49:49.left the White House. Can he tell us in their discussions about security,

:49:50. > :49:52.was this imminent order mentioned? I don't know what is worse that the

:49:53. > :49:56.president would have such little respect for the Prime Minister that

:49:57. > :50:00.he wouldn't think of telling her, or that he did and that she didn't

:50:01. > :50:05.think it sounded wrong. If it was the first, it would hardly be a

:50:06. > :50:14.surprise, but if it was the latter then we have a problem. Because when

:50:15. > :50:17.it comes to human rights and torture, President Trump is

:50:18. > :50:21.descending down a very dangerous slope. And when that happens, we

:50:22. > :50:34.need a Prime Minister that will tell him to stop. Not one who simply

:50:35. > :50:39.gives her hand and helps him along. I listened very carefully to the, I

:50:40. > :50:44.think the most substantial point the honourable lady made was about the

:50:45. > :50:49.case of a Glaswegian doctor. I appreciate that there will be all

:50:50. > :50:53.sorts of cases, particularly difficult cases, heart-breaking

:50:54. > :50:57.cases and people who are us from rated as a result of this measure.

:50:58. > :51:02.And I repeat, because members didn't follow it. This is not the policy of

:51:03. > :51:10.our Government. It is a policy promoted elsewhere. What we will do

:51:11. > :51:14.is make sure that we, all our network is put at the service of

:51:15. > :51:22.people who are finding difficulties as a result of these measures. But

:51:23. > :51:28.as I say, because of the action of this government, we now have by the

:51:29. > :51:33.Prime Minister, by my honourable friend the Home Secretary, we have

:51:34. > :51:38.an exemption for UK passport holderses whether dual nationals or

:51:39. > :51:44.otherwise. And I think most fair-minded people would say that

:51:45. > :51:47.that actually showed the advantages of working closely with the Trump

:51:48. > :51:57.administration and the advantages of having a relationship that enables

:51:58. > :52:05.us to get our point to get our point across and get protections s for the

:52:06. > :52:11.UK passport holders. The approach taken by the party opposite, to

:52:12. > :52:20.demonise the Trump administration would have achieved the opposite.

:52:21. > :52:27.Does the Foreign Secretary welcome the joint statement by Senators John

:52:28. > :52:32.McCain and Lindsey Graham expressing their fear that this order will be a

:52:33. > :52:39.several inflicted wound in the fight against terrorism? I'm grateful, I

:52:40. > :52:43.think possibly what the interventions of the Senators show

:52:44. > :52:51.is this is a subject for lively debate on Capitol Hill, as it is

:52:52. > :52:55.here. This is something that we do not support. It is not a policy that

:52:56. > :52:59.we agree with and it is clear from what my honourable friend says that,

:53:00. > :53:10.there are others in the US who don't agree either.

:53:11. > :53:18.Without a thought to the context on Holocaust Memorial Day, president

:53:19. > :53:21.trump issued an executive order to bundle people in those seven

:53:22. > :53:28.countries to enter the USA including, and I quote those bad

:53:29. > :53:34.dudes who are the real victims of violence in the conflict in Syria.

:53:35. > :53:37.This action as Hume and Jermaine, racist and a model and a welcome the

:53:38. > :53:43.fact that this House is treating the threat with the seriousness that it

:53:44. > :53:48.deserves. We would like to pay tribute and support the strong

:53:49. > :53:53.statements made in this issue by Scotland's First Minister and

:53:54. > :53:59.welcome the work being done by so many. You can learn some lessons

:54:00. > :54:06.from Scotland's First Minister, the work being done by so many on the

:54:07. > :54:09.ground in Scotland, women for independence providing practical

:54:10. > :54:12.support for those unjustly affected by this despicable action. Can I ask

:54:13. > :54:23.the Foreign Secretary, given the Prime Minister, relationship with

:54:24. > :54:29.President Trump, that she know in advance and does she agree with the

:54:30. > :54:35.senior national experts in the US and elsewhere that this will have it

:54:36. > :54:38.and locations from the UK getting that the administration has adopted

:54:39. > :54:46.the false and that is narrative of a conflict between the west and Islam.

:54:47. > :54:54.This Government needs to show global leadership, or is it? The premise

:54:55. > :55:02.that has failed this test. As you will know, when it comes to tackling

:55:03. > :55:07.the couch, this country is the second biggest contributory to

:55:08. > :55:15.military action and strikes in Iraq and Syria and we continue to be the

:55:16. > :55:19.second biggest donors to the crisis in that region. Everyone should be

:55:20. > :55:28.road of the leadership UK is showing in that respect. I have already made

:55:29. > :55:34.my views about this and it is up to members of the House of Commons as

:55:35. > :55:41.they wish to denounce this policy, I my position clear and they made it

:55:42. > :55:46.clear yesterday. I said it was right that the said it was wrong to

:55:47. > :55:50.stigmatise people on the basis of their nationality and I believe that

:55:51. > :56:01.profoundly. What we have done in the last few days is to intercede on

:56:02. > :56:09.behalf of UK nationals and UK passport holders and we have secured

:56:10. > :56:13.very important protections for them. President trump is what we might

:56:14. > :56:17.call a known and unknown. We know she will do and see and political

:56:18. > :56:25.things and often just as quickly as banned in those positions. He will

:56:26. > :56:31.learn as she goes along and we have to remember that our security and

:56:32. > :56:37.that of Europe depends on the Atlantic Alliance. Does my friend

:56:38. > :56:44.agree with me that must no question of our refusing to welcome him to

:56:45. > :56:51.these shores and the hope of setting him along the right path as soon as

:56:52. > :56:57.possible to our mutual benefit? You are entirely right in the sense that

:56:58. > :57:01.the prime ministers succeeded the other day and getting our message

:57:02. > :57:07.across about the North Atlantic Alliance and Natal and president

:57:08. > :57:13.Trump affirmed very strongly his commitment to that alliance. It is

:57:14. > :57:23.vital for our security and the new president is very much in the right

:57:24. > :57:32.place and it is totally right that the incoming president of closest

:57:33. > :57:38.and most important ally should be accorded the honour of a state visit

:57:39. > :57:45.supported by this Government and the invitation has been extended by Her

:57:46. > :57:51.Majesty the Queen quite properly. This is not just about the impact on

:57:52. > :57:58.British citizens. One of our closest allies has chosen to ban refugees

:57:59. > :58:03.and target Muslims and all he can say is that it wouldn't be our

:58:04. > :58:11.policy. That is not good enough. Has he urged the US administration to

:58:12. > :58:18.lift this order, to help refugees and to stop targeting Muslims? This

:58:19. > :58:22.order was signed on Holocaust Memorial Day. For the sake of

:58:23. > :58:34.yesterday have the guts to speak out. It is open to MPs on all sides

:58:35. > :58:38.of the House to come forward with a fresh expressions of outrage about

:58:39. > :58:48.the presidential executive order. I have made my views and I share the

:58:49. > :58:53.widespread disquiet and I have made my views absolutely clear. I said it

:58:54. > :59:01.is divisive and wrong and stigmatising people on the grounds

:59:02. > :59:06.of nationality. But I will not do that is what I think the party

:59:07. > :59:11.opposite would do is disengaged from conversations with our American

:59:12. > :59:16.friends and partners in such a way to do material damage to the

:59:17. > :59:19.interests of UK citizens. What we have secured our important

:59:20. > :59:24.protections for people in this country and that is the job of this

:59:25. > :59:34.Government. Given our new-found closeness with the trump leg Trump a

:59:35. > :59:39.ministry should, what plans are there to try and persuade the

:59:40. > :59:46.Administration after the 90 days to abandon what to many is a despicable

:59:47. > :59:54.and immoral policy? And would he agree in the paraphrasing a far

:59:55. > :00:02.wiser president, John F. Kennedy but those that raid on the back of a

:00:03. > :00:07.tiger end up inside it. I am sure that the words of the gentlemen will

:00:08. > :00:12.be apparent in the Washington but all I can see is we will continue to

:00:13. > :00:21.engage with the administration to make a point about the interests of

:00:22. > :00:28.UK nationals and to convey feelings about the global consternation of

:00:29. > :00:36.this measure has caused. Could the Foreign Secretary clarify what would

:00:37. > :00:40.be the position for an Iraqi national resident in the UK whose

:00:41. > :00:44.child is working in the United States and as a dual British and

:00:45. > :00:52.Iraqi citizens in the event that that child dies? Would her mother be

:00:53. > :00:57.able to travel from London to the United States to bury her daughter

:00:58. > :01:02.under the current US management and if not would he agree with me that

:01:03. > :01:12.that would be quite simply in human and outrageous? It is possible to

:01:13. > :01:20.create all sorts of hypothetical situations which are yet more

:01:21. > :01:25.outrageous but the answer as far as I understand and it is up for the US

:01:26. > :01:30.to explain this aspect of your policy is that such a case would be

:01:31. > :01:33.treated expeditiously and particular arrangements would be put in place

:01:34. > :01:45.to make sure that person was able to travel. Can I gently and tactfully

:01:46. > :01:52.point out that members who came into the chamber after the statement had

:01:53. > :01:55.begun should not be standing. It is in defiance of the conventions and

:01:56. > :01:58.I'm sure they wouldn't be so unreasonable to think they would

:01:59. > :02:02.have a right to be called because that would be perverse and I feel

:02:03. > :02:10.sure they would behave in a perverse way. Given that the United States

:02:11. > :02:15.Congress and the courts as well as the president and diplomacy will

:02:16. > :02:18.play a part in arriving at a solution to this question, does he

:02:19. > :02:26.accept that there is a universal threat from jihadists and that is an

:02:27. > :02:30.estimate of the third of up to 5000 jihadists from several of these

:02:31. > :02:37.countries and furthermore we should remember the victims of the attacks

:02:38. > :02:46.in New York and London and Paris and Brussels and Berlin not to

:02:47. > :02:50.mention... Will we understand the threat from jihadists at home and

:02:51. > :02:59.abroad and it is vital to work with our American threats to combat --

:03:00. > :03:12.friends. Robbie Foreign Secretary try to recall as I had underneath

:03:13. > :03:16.the stairs when Mussolini and Hitler were raining bombs in towns and

:03:17. > :03:25.cities in Britain. Now this Government is hand and hand with

:03:26. > :03:29.another fascist Trump. Do the decent thing and abandon the visit. This

:03:30. > :03:40.man is not fit to walk in the footsteps of Nelson Mandela. The

:03:41. > :03:43.gentleman is at fault if he thinks Mussolini rained bombs on this

:03:44. > :03:51.country but I fear the comparison and I don't think, it is an interest

:03:52. > :03:59.to work with our partners and get the best deal for UK nationals and

:04:00. > :04:04.dual nationals. When President Obama opposed a similar ban on a single

:04:05. > :04:09.country, American democracy insured did not last and other action was

:04:10. > :04:15.taken. Can't we rely on American democracy this time to do the right

:04:16. > :04:22.thing and isn't it British ministers' job to speak for British

:04:23. > :04:27.policy? My friend is correct and that is disquiet about this policy

:04:28. > :04:32.on Capitol Hill and I have no doubt the American political system system

:04:33. > :04:42.will introduce a balance. It is our job to intervene now for the UK

:04:43. > :04:47.nationals. In November 1938 a Conservative Government have

:04:48. > :04:51.prepared a bill that led to the transport of Jewish refugee children

:04:52. > :04:57.to this country. Does the Secretary of State realise that and making his

:04:58. > :05:02.statement he should uphold the Geneva Convention and speak truth to

:05:03. > :05:11.power and the United States? He has let the House and has job down. The

:05:12. > :05:15.member is ticking sanctimony to new heights and most fair-minded people

:05:16. > :05:20.would say we have been very clear with our friends in America that we

:05:21. > :05:23.do not agree with the policy and disapprove with recrimination on

:05:24. > :05:28.grounds of nationality but we have worked with him to get the best

:05:29. > :05:35.possible outcome for UK nationals and dual nationals but also made

:05:36. > :05:39.clear to the administration the widespread consternation felt by

:05:40. > :05:45.individuals such as him around the world. Can I congratulated the

:05:46. > :05:51.Foreign Secretary and condemning America's policy which on any

:05:52. > :06:08.standards is completely unjustified. I am also

:06:09. > :06:14.delighted that Mo Farah can see his wife and children. Would you agree

:06:15. > :06:21.with the words of Mo Farah that this is based on nothing but prejudice

:06:22. > :06:27.and ignorance? I am delighted that so Mo Farah is able to continue to

:06:28. > :06:35.go back to the United States where she trains and is able to get set to

:06:36. > :06:42.win the many medals that he does. Mata the Foreign Secretary knows

:06:43. > :06:48.that this policy is counter-productive immoral and

:06:49. > :06:53.wrong. As attitude has to be get an exception for UK citizens and invite

:06:54. > :06:58.the perpetrator of it to a full state visit. This doesn't seem like

:06:59. > :07:02.the wholehearted condemnation that this House would deserve and what is

:07:03. > :07:09.he going to do to make it absolutely clear in no uncertain terms that

:07:10. > :07:11.this is American administration that kind of discrimination is

:07:12. > :07:17.counter-productive, wrong and immoral? The policy is counter

:07:18. > :07:22.productive, immoral and wrong, I have said it is divisive, discover

:07:23. > :07:34.Terry and wrong, if anyone thinks it is substantial position between the

:07:35. > :07:42.death position. Recommended the Foreign Secretary on the work he did

:07:43. > :07:47.on Sunday to ensure that people of Britain have safe travel to America

:07:48. > :07:49.and can I ask whether he has had clarification from the

:07:50. > :07:54.administration that they have no updated the advice to the embassies

:07:55. > :07:56.because that is some confusion that some embassies are still turning

:07:57. > :08:07.dual nationals away and not allowing them to enter the USA? I am thrilled

:08:08. > :08:12.that neither my honourable friend normal Sir Mo Farah will be affected

:08:13. > :08:13.and I can confirm that the Embassy advice has been updated as we have

:08:14. > :08:24.been speaking. Most of us condemn xenophobia

:08:25. > :08:28.without hesitation and rereject racism almost by instinct. Which of

:08:29. > :08:36.the Prime Minister's great British values formed the first response to

:08:37. > :08:40.Mr Trump's order? The Prime Minister's primary duty is to the

:08:41. > :08:49.the safety and security of everyone in this country and to protect their

:08:50. > :08:55.rights and freedoms. She was first out of the box, very early out of

:08:56. > :09:01.box in saying she disagreed with this policy. Thank you Mr Speaker,

:09:02. > :09:08.may I congratulate my honourable friend on making those words in our

:09:09. > :09:13.passport allowing her Majesty's subject to travel a reality and

:09:14. > :09:17.being the first minister to come to the dispatch box to defend domestic

:09:18. > :09:23.policy in the United States since Lord North. Can I encourage to

:09:24. > :09:30.defend our interest as he is doing and not seek to tell America how to

:09:31. > :09:41.run itself? I'm grateful to my honourable friend. I'm not seeking

:09:42. > :09:45.to defend ex-my Kate the policy of presidential order, but explain how

:09:46. > :09:54.it may affect UK nationals and what we have done to mitigate the effects

:09:55. > :09:59.of that order. Oven Friday it was Holocaust Memorial Day and the Prime

:10:00. > :10:03.Minister told us our commitment to remembering the hol House is about

:10:04. > :10:11.more than words. She said if it is about standing up to prejudice where

:10:12. > :10:15.ever it is foub. Found. Why was the Prime Minister unable to adhere to

:10:16. > :10:20.her own call to action? The Prime Minister made it clear she did not

:10:21. > :10:26.agree with the policy and she did and I have made it clear and I have

:10:27. > :10:30.made it clear several times now in the course of these proceedings that

:10:31. > :10:36.I think the policy is a matter for the United States, but it is my view

:10:37. > :10:44.it is divisive, discriminatory and wrong. The foreign Foreign

:10:45. > :10:49.Secretary, will he consider he is not telling an ally how to run their

:10:50. > :10:53.country to remind them in calm and firm terms that our shared

:10:54. > :10:58.relationship is based upon a mutual respect for the rule of law both

:10:59. > :11:01.national and international and that persisting in this policy does

:11:02. > :11:09.America no good in that regard at all. I completely agree and I would

:11:10. > :11:13.point out we are more likely as a nation to get a hearing in respect

:11:14. > :11:23.of these issues in we treat our partners, our friends and partners

:11:24. > :11:28.with the respect that they deserve. It seems the fake news has come to

:11:29. > :11:36.the House of Commons. H Foreign Secretary said our Prime Minister

:11:37. > :11:42.was one of the first to don condemn the words of trump. It was not. I it

:11:43. > :11:47.was 38 hours. I'm proud more people in my constituency have signed the

:11:48. > :11:53.petition to stop the state visit than any other. Because they

:11:54. > :12:00.recognise our Prime Minister has been involved not in diplomacy but

:12:01. > :12:06.complicit with this. I say her constituents are at liberty to sign

:12:07. > :12:11.the petition and to express their views. I have expressed my views,

:12:12. > :12:18.but I think it would be a good thing if the visit went ahead, because the

:12:19. > :12:24.relationship with the United States is one of the most important facts

:12:25. > :12:31.and we are going to keep that going. May I agree with the Foreign

:12:32. > :12:39.Secretary of vital importance of the ray lieians -- aft alliance with the

:12:40. > :12:45.United States. Whatever they may do, refugees will be dealt with

:12:46. > :12:52.patience, courtesy and respect here. I'm very grateful to my honourable

:12:53. > :12:56.friend. I'm glad to see the bust of his grandfather has been rightfully

:12:57. > :13:02.restored to its place in the Oval Office and I would remind him that

:13:03. > :13:07.Winston Churchill took a strong view that a country should be able to

:13:08. > :13:14.control its own borders and its own immigration policies. I don't think

:13:15. > :13:20.the Foreign Secretary understands how so many people in this country

:13:21. > :13:27.feel such contempt for what Donald Trump has done. Can I clarify what

:13:28. > :13:34.he said earlier. If this visit of this wretched man is going to take

:13:35. > :13:38.place, can we be reassured that under no circumstances will he

:13:39. > :13:45.address Parliament in Westminster Hall? That in itself would be a

:13:46. > :13:49.disgrace. I'm sure that the mood of the chamber of House of Commons will

:13:50. > :13:53.be reflected in all discussions about how the visit is to go ahead.

:13:54. > :13:59.But I think he should bear in mind that he is the elected head of state

:14:00. > :14:05.of our closest and most important ally and there is no reason why he

:14:06. > :14:13.should not be accorded a state visit and every reason why he should. Well

:14:14. > :14:17.certainly if we got the Queen to have tea with the president of

:14:18. > :14:26.China, I don't see why she shouldn't have tea with the president of

:14:27. > :14:30.America. For 70 years depended on the special relationship and in

:14:31. > :14:36.those terms, was not the visit of the Prime Minister a triumph and we

:14:37. > :14:41.are proud of her. Isn't the first fruit of this the Foreign Secretary

:14:42. > :14:47.has ensured the rights of British citizens? I must say I do agree

:14:48. > :14:53.about the Prime Minister's visit. I do think it was a great success and

:14:54. > :15:05.they kindled an important relationship. And the parallels that

:15:06. > :15:08.were drawn in the United States between Ronald Regan and Margaret

:15:09. > :15:24.Thatcher and between the new president and our Prime Minister

:15:25. > :15:28.were aPos sit. The British Embassy has a page showing the list of

:15:29. > :15:35.presidential visits to the United Kingdom. Can the Foreign Secretary

:15:36. > :15:40.confirm that George W Bush was president for more than two years

:15:41. > :15:45.before he h made a visit and Barack Obama was president for more than

:15:46. > :16:00.two years and many others didn't have state visits at all. Why on

:16:01. > :16:04.earth has Theresa the Appeaser got him here within two months? Order.

:16:05. > :16:11.The honourable gentleman will have heard the response to what he said.

:16:12. > :16:16.But my immediate reaction is that the matter is one of taste rather

:16:17. > :16:19.than of order. I don't need any help from the the honourable gentleman

:16:20. > :16:30.who would haven't the foggiest idea where to start. May I say with our

:16:31. > :16:38.guidance that I do find it distasteful to make comparisons

:16:39. > :16:43.between the elected leader of a great democracy, and 1930s tyrants.

:16:44. > :16:53.I have to say I think it is inappropriate. As for the

:16:54. > :16:56.protocol... As for the exact protocol of when the visit should

:16:57. > :17:02.take place, that is something about which the honourable gentleman cares

:17:03. > :17:14.deeply. I can't give him any guidance that is a protocol matter.

:17:15. > :17:21.Can I offer the Foreign Secretary my commiseration at being sent out to a

:17:22. > :17:26.bat on a sticky wicket. Would he say when he intervened in Washington,

:17:27. > :17:35.was it through the state department or the president's son-in-law? I'm

:17:36. > :17:40.grateful for that ingenious question. I'm sure the House will

:17:41. > :17:45.appreciate that we have good relationships at all levels now with

:17:46. > :17:50.the US Government. My honourable friend the Home Secretary herself

:17:51. > :17:57.has had an excellent conversation today with General Kelly of the home

:17:58. > :18:01.security department, confirming the very important exemptions that we

:18:02. > :18:06.have achieved for UN nationals and dual nationals. Mr Speaker, the

:18:07. > :18:16.Foreign Secretary doesn't like outrage, does he understand the

:18:17. > :18:21.dismay felt by millions a at the by the Prime Minister's failure to

:18:22. > :18:25.condemn Trump's Muslim ban and does he acknowledge this may increase the

:18:26. > :18:30.risk to British citizens in the seven countries affected by the ban?

:18:31. > :18:38.I think I'm going to have to repeat what I have said about my own views

:18:39. > :18:46.on this policy, which I think are the same as the the honourable lady

:18:47. > :18:53.for wall See. I think it is divisive, discriminatory and wrong.

:18:54. > :18:57.He can find other adjectives. We have made our position clear and

:18:58. > :19:05.secured an important exemption for UK nationals. As recent barbaric

:19:06. > :19:12.attacks in Europe demonstrate, we all face a continuing threat from

:19:13. > :19:17.Islamic fundamentalism, while we may not have adopted the same policy as

:19:18. > :19:22.the United States, surely this is a matter for the newly elected

:19:23. > :19:30.administration in America, its courts and its people and our

:19:31. > :19:36.position has been enhanced by the visit by the Prime Minister where

:19:37. > :19:41.Britain has influence thanks to her. May I say something in defence of

:19:42. > :19:46.that great democracy, the United States, which is if you look at all

:19:47. > :19:50.the migrants in the world, all those living in a country other than the

:19:51. > :19:57.one in which they were born, 20% of them are in the United States. 45

:19:58. > :20:03.million people in the US were not born there. And I do not think that

:20:04. > :20:07.you could say that that country is hostile to those from overseas. It

:20:08. > :20:16.is vital that we work with the United States in combatting terror

:20:17. > :20:19.and deepen our relationship. Can I congratulate the Government on a

:20:20. > :20:28.successful visit to the United States. And for putting the United

:20:29. > :20:32.Kingdom top of the queue. Does the Secretary of State recognise a touch

:20:33. > :20:36.of the double standard when people from Ulster have been told for

:20:37. > :20:42.decades they must talk to the most objectionable people, work with the

:20:43. > :20:46.most objectionable people and be in government with them and then told

:20:47. > :20:55.you must not have the president of most democratic country of the world

:20:56. > :21:00.brought to this dountry. Country. Can he give advice to Northern

:21:01. > :21:06.Ireland citizens who hold Irish passports, but are entitled to full

:21:07. > :21:09.British passports, should they be applying for British passports for

:21:10. > :21:15.ease of travel to the United States? I completely agree with the point

:21:16. > :21:22.that the honourable gentleman makes and... The President Trump and his

:21:23. > :21:29.administration have not to the best of my knowledge been engaged in

:21:30. > :21:37.terrorist offences on mainland Britain, unlike those he and his

:21:38. > :21:41.party were asked to negotiate. Given th reservations he has expressed,

:21:42. > :21:47.what further opportunities will there be in order to maximise our

:21:48. > :21:53.influence and can I suggest that the return visit by the president is a

:21:54. > :22:00.rather obvious one? Well, I'm grateful to my honourable friend for

:22:01. > :22:05.that good thought. The presidential visit will be an occasion for

:22:06. > :22:09.deepening that relationship and I will be meeting my US counter parts

:22:10. > :22:20.at the Munich security conference in just a few days time. Does the

:22:21. > :22:26.Foreign Secretary realise those of us with constituencies with large

:22:27. > :22:30.Muslim populations and in my case the largest Arabic population are

:22:31. > :22:35.feeling deep anxiety and many travel regularly to America and are looking

:22:36. > :22:40.for the strongest reassurance from the Government. But a school party

:22:41. > :22:45.will be leaving in a few days for America, a couple of the students

:22:46. > :22:54.have been refused visa waivers, will he do what he can to ensure smooth

:22:55. > :22:58.passage for those students going to America to study the tradition of

:22:59. > :23:02.American democracy. We will do whatever we can to help them and to

:23:03. > :23:08.make sure they have a great trip to the United States and if there are

:23:09. > :23:12.any difficulties we will help. As for the Muslim minority in her on

:23:13. > :23:16.constituency, of course we must speak up for them and defends their

:23:17. > :23:20.interests and we have made the points that we have about the needs

:23:21. > :23:34.of duals and UK passport holders. The Foreign Secretary will be aware

:23:35. > :23:42.of the speech by Winston Churchill in 1943 said that he feeds at the

:23:43. > :23:47.crocodile enough, the crocodile will eat him last in reference to neutral

:23:48. > :23:52.countries and the war. This dangerous trend towards nationalism

:23:53. > :23:55.inflicting itself on the western world we haven't seen since the

:23:56. > :24:00.1930s and it is clear this executive order needs to be condemned. Do you

:24:01. > :24:09.agree this House must make it stand here and now? I agree that we must

:24:10. > :24:15.stand up against bigotry and the nationalism but I must say that I

:24:16. > :24:19.draw the line at the comparison that has been made relentlessly this

:24:20. > :24:24.afternoon between the elected Government of our closest and most

:24:25. > :24:33.important ally, a great democracy, and the anti-democratic and cruel

:24:34. > :24:39.and barbaric tyrannies of the 1930s. Using the language of appeasement

:24:40. > :24:46.demeans the horror of the 1930s and trivialises our conversation. The

:24:47. > :24:50.reason people feel strongly about this is because of the great love

:24:51. > :24:54.held for the United States in this country and in this chamber. The

:24:55. > :24:59.Foreign Secretary is right to say that our deep friendship brings the

:25:00. > :25:04.ability to be candid but strength also brings the ability to be candid

:25:05. > :25:09.and isn't the lesson from the weak response to these announcements that

:25:10. > :25:18.desperation leads to the opposite of candour? I think the important point

:25:19. > :25:20.I would stress again is that this Government has earned the right to

:25:21. > :25:27.speak frankly to our friends in the US and we have and we have made our

:25:28. > :25:37.views about this measure which the House will have heard already today,

:25:38. > :25:40.my views are the same as other the other members here today and the

:25:41. > :25:44.Prime Minister does not approve of this measure but the important thing

:25:45. > :25:49.to do is to talk to our friends and partners in the United States to

:25:50. > :25:54.reflect and rarely some of that global consternation that we detect

:25:55. > :26:06.and to get a positive outcome for UK nationals. I congratulate the

:26:07. > :26:10.Foreign Secretary for securing the rights of dual British nationals but

:26:11. > :26:16.will he undertake to look into the case where some Middle Eastern and

:26:17. > :26:27.other Asian countries refuse dual nationals from this country from

:26:28. > :26:32.entering those countries? I am aware that there are other countries

:26:33. > :26:36.particularly in the Middle East that to themselves by the citizens of at

:26:37. > :26:45.least one country from entering their own. Quiet as the Foreign

:26:46. > :26:49.Secretary make no reference at all in his original statement to the

:26:50. > :26:53.American suspension of the refugee problem and shouldn't our premise

:26:54. > :26:56.that have echoed the words of the Canadian feminist by saying that we

:26:57. > :27:06.welcome those fleeing persecution, terror and war regardless of faith?

:27:07. > :27:12.Our policy on receiving refugees has not changed. We have a good record

:27:13. > :27:16.and the United States has taken about 12,000 Syrian refugees and as

:27:17. > :27:22.I said earlier, I don't think anybody could reasonably fault the

:27:23. > :27:27.United States of America as a great recipient of migrants from around

:27:28. > :27:30.the world. 45 million people in the United States not born in that

:27:31. > :27:38.country, it is a very distinguished record. Do you share my

:27:39. > :27:42.disappointment that so many members of this House have so used to not

:27:43. > :27:45.having control of our own immigration policy that they appear

:27:46. > :27:57.to present another sovereign country having control of areas? You put it

:27:58. > :28:01.bluntly but accurately. I think it is absolutely... Whatever you may

:28:02. > :28:08.think about this policy and I think there is a way to measure of

:28:09. > :28:11.agreement across this House, it is the prerogative of the president of

:28:12. > :28:21.the United States and the American Government to do this. The world is

:28:22. > :28:25.in an increasingly dangerous place and if the special relationship is

:28:26. > :28:29.to mean anything, surely as friends of America we should be deploring

:28:30. > :28:34.and the strongest possible terms and saying to President Trump that he

:28:35. > :28:39.must desist. It is not about the anxiety, it is about the leadership

:28:40. > :28:47.that we must show an order to deliver peace and security. Judging

:28:48. > :28:52.the previous 15 answers I have given on except that point he must've been

:28:53. > :28:55.failing to pay attention. We don't agree with the policy but engage

:28:56. > :29:01.with the United States to improve it. Know you understand the fear

:29:02. > :29:06.this executive order has struck into the hearts of British citizens

:29:07. > :29:11.particularly as under the Obama administration, British citizens of

:29:12. > :29:17.inane extraction had their bank accounts closed because of US

:29:18. > :29:22.banking rules. Can I ask the Foreign Secretary not to disengage from the

:29:23. > :29:25.USA but to seek protection of insurances that this executive order

:29:26. > :29:31.will not wait to further personal financial sanctions for British

:29:32. > :29:37.citizens from these seven countries? I think you make an excellent point

:29:38. > :29:41.and I would just remained in the House that the reason these

:29:42. > :29:45.particular seven countries have been singled out and that has been a

:29:46. > :29:48.certain amount of confusion and controversy about this is that they

:29:49. > :29:55.were in fact the seven that were selected by the Obama Administration

:29:56. > :30:03.for the withdrawal of a Visa waiver scheme for anybody who had been to

:30:04. > :30:06.those countries. I am sure that the three members of this House who were

:30:07. > :30:13.born and Yemen are grateful to the Foreign Minister for allowing us to

:30:14. > :30:18.travel to America but the position of the British citizen who happens

:30:19. > :30:23.to be an aid worker and Yemen has visited Yemen for humanitarian

:30:24. > :30:27.purposes, they are caught by this barn because of the United States

:30:28. > :30:30.will not allow as I understand it those who have visited bought and

:30:31. > :30:41.Yemen even though the other nationals of Britain to visit the

:30:42. > :30:44.United States. I know she was born and Yemen and the must have

:30:45. > :30:49.initially been some anxiety about how exactly he would be treated with

:30:50. > :30:53.you to go to the United States. I am happy to see that he will face no

:30:54. > :30:58.obstacle because he is a UK passport holder and no role any UK aid worker

:30:59. > :31:04.and Yemen because that's what we have achieved. We didn't need the

:31:05. > :31:09.executive order to be signed to realise that this was President

:31:10. > :31:15.Trump's policy because it was an election pledge in an election he

:31:16. > :31:20.went on to win. If did the Foreign Secretary reason this issue with his

:31:21. > :31:23.meeting at the President Trump's transition team ordered the Prime

:31:24. > :31:26.Minister visit when she met him given that we should have known

:31:27. > :31:37.about it? UMPIRE: Game, set and match, The reality is the this

:31:38. > :31:45.freedom freaking the Administration and the UK Government had been going

:31:46. > :31:51.on for many months. We became aware of the policy when it was enacted by

:31:52. > :31:56.the present on Friday and since then we have worked very hard to secure

:31:57. > :32:06.the exemptions and protections that we have. Given that the Foreign

:32:07. > :32:10.Secretary said that the US president was Mac policy is divisive,

:32:11. > :32:13.discriminant and wrong, can the House safely assume that he will

:32:14. > :32:20.strengthen any representation she makes this policy to a friend in the

:32:21. > :32:23.United States by working closely and partnership with our counterparts

:32:24. > :32:33.and the European Union and the Council of Europe? We already work

:32:34. > :32:37.very closely with our friends and partners in the EU on matters of

:32:38. > :32:45.common foreign and security policy and will continue to do so once we

:32:46. > :32:49.have left the European Union. I am grateful to the Foreign Secretary

:32:50. > :32:52.for a statement and many thousands of people will be comforted that all

:32:53. > :32:56.British passport holders will be able to travel into the United

:32:57. > :33:02.States and those that have the legal right to be here will be able to

:33:03. > :33:06.apply for a Visa. There are seven countries on President Trump's list

:33:07. > :33:10.banning their citizens from entering the US group leader of 90 days and

:33:11. > :33:13.everyone of these countries bands is really passport holders from

:33:14. > :33:19.entering the country. As the Foreign Secretary had any representations

:33:20. > :33:27.from dual British and Israeli citizens regarding this policy which

:33:28. > :33:32.is similarly divisive and wrong? I am glad he pointed that out, I had

:33:33. > :33:35.alluded to it already in an elliptical way and I think it is

:33:36. > :33:40.right the House should be aware of that discrimination, that one that

:33:41. > :33:45.already exists and the House should also reflect on the fact that all

:33:46. > :33:51.immigration and Visa policies are by their very nature discovered today

:33:52. > :33:57.as between individuals and nations. -- discriminatory. The Foreign

:33:58. > :34:02.Secretary is right about one thing, we have lots of friends in America

:34:03. > :34:07.and I stand with our friends today standing up against this barn that

:34:08. > :34:12.affects Muslim and others but can I the Foreign Secretary's attention to

:34:13. > :34:17.the manner taking cores in the Middle East? Many affected will be

:34:18. > :34:20.people striving to save lives and Syria, Iraq and elsewhere support

:34:21. > :34:23.contact does he have with humanitarian leaders to make sure

:34:24. > :34:30.they can travel to the United States if they need to? What I can see

:34:31. > :34:35.about those conversations is that where there are people who for

:34:36. > :34:38.diplomatic or political reasons or our aid workers have reason to

:34:39. > :34:46.travel in the should be expeditious systems for ensuring that they get

:34:47. > :34:49.through fast and that applies also to some of the people who are

:34:50. > :34:55.resident in this country but do not have either dual UK nationality. The

:34:56. > :35:01.Foreign Secretary has touched on this point but 16 countries

:35:02. > :35:05.currently forbid admission to Israeli passport holders. What the

:35:06. > :35:10.US do is doing is misguided and wrong but does he agree with me that

:35:11. > :35:18.we should be consistent and condemnation? I am grateful for home

:35:19. > :35:31.raising a point which many members of this House will have been

:35:32. > :35:35.ignorant of?. Why did they keep silent? Many in our academic

:35:36. > :35:45.community are not British passport holders and at the weekend, my

:35:46. > :35:49.constituents of specialist vet at Glasgow University was prevented

:35:50. > :35:52.from boarding a flight because the flight involved the transferred at

:35:53. > :35:58.New York. The Holocaust didn't start with the gas chambers and only days

:35:59. > :36:05.after Holocaust Memorial Day, the parallels are clear. Whilst I

:36:06. > :36:09.welcome the Foreign Secretary's condemnation, will he condemn these

:36:10. > :36:15.restrictions in any discussions EC has with his American counterpart

:36:16. > :36:19.and can he assure the House that the price of trade with them will not be

:36:20. > :36:30.a complicit acceptance of these rules? Boss I have insofar as the

:36:31. > :36:34.Glaswegian vet is concerned, we are aware of the particular problem and

:36:35. > :36:40.we will do everything we have and our conscious power to help her out

:36:41. > :36:45.and as for how a repetition of comparisons that had been made all

:36:46. > :36:48.afternoon, between these events and the Second World War and the

:36:49. > :36:57.Holocaust, it trivialises and the Holocaust. I thank the Foreign

:36:58. > :37:01.Secretary for a statement and ask to make it clear that while America

:37:02. > :37:05.pursues this terrible and divisive policy which I utterly condemn, the

:37:06. > :37:10.United Kingdom will always be a place of refugees are welcome, will

:37:11. > :37:14.always be a place where refugees are made to feel welcome and in that

:37:15. > :37:19.spirit will he join me in praising and thanking voluntary groups like

:37:20. > :37:29.refugees welcome enrichment of the two great work in this field?

:37:30. > :37:36.Absolutely. I can assure you that we will continue to be a great open

:37:37. > :37:40.society in the UK. I was proud when I was Mayor of London that 40% of

:37:41. > :37:47.Londoners are born abroad including myself. She has repeated

:37:48. > :37:52.condemnation of the executive order this afternoon which has been heard

:37:53. > :37:58.across the House and it is not my place to defend or to explicate that

:37:59. > :38:02.policy but that is the for 90 days and 90 days only and it will be

:38:03. > :38:07.subject to the full scrutiny of debate on Capitol Hill and we have

:38:08. > :38:13.already heard that there is doubt there too.

:38:14. > :38:24.President Trump's decision to issue this order is divisive and dangerous

:38:25. > :38:29.and sent shock waves around the Muslim world and Muslim communities

:38:30. > :38:35.including in this country. I find it deeply worrying and disturbing and I

:38:36. > :38:45.find it deeply fearful for us to live in this country in the midsts

:38:46. > :38:51.of reprisals in countries like Canada and when political leaders

:38:52. > :38:57.fail to show leader ship and stand up in the face of division of

:38:58. > :39:04.hatred, we send the wrong message. Can I peel to -- can I a appeal to

:39:05. > :39:07.the Foreign Secretary to show leadership and provide protection

:39:08. > :39:14.for those communities feeling worried about their safety across

:39:15. > :39:21.Europe after this executive order? Thank you, Mr Speaker, of course she

:39:22. > :39:25.is, I agree have much with a lot of what she had to say. That is why the

:39:26. > :39:31.Prime Minister and I have taken the line we have about this measure. And

:39:32. > :39:38.secondly, she speaks of hate crime and she is right to do so. I don't

:39:39. > :39:41.want to see anything that stigmatises or entrenches divisions

:39:42. > :39:51.or causes communities to feel unwelcome whether in this count are

:39:52. > :39:58.ry are elsewhere. That is wrong we take hate crime seriously in our

:39:59. > :40:06.country and we can be proud of some of the achievements we have made in

:40:07. > :40:12.cracking down on those who forment mistrust. I thought the Prime

:40:13. > :40:20.Minister's speech in Philadelphia was one of the best expositions of

:40:21. > :40:26.the alliance and urge members to read this speech and see why this

:40:27. > :40:30.relationship is worth continuing and would my honourable friend see the

:40:31. > :40:35.warm response that the Prime Minister had from congressional

:40:36. > :40:42.leaders and redouble our efforts to reach out to them as wise counsels

:40:43. > :40:47.and friends in Washington. I agree with my honourable friend and there

:40:48. > :40:52.is a wide measure of agreement across the Atlantic about some of

:40:53. > :40:58.those essentials which he and I talked about, the importance of NATO

:40:59. > :41:05.and promoting our values in freedom and democracy and the rule of law,

:41:06. > :41:11.those are shared by many people in the Republican Party and of course

:41:12. > :41:16.they also share our strong desire to develop our trading relations with a

:41:17. > :41:20.new free trade deal. That was one of the great achievements of Prime

:41:21. > :41:27.Minister's visit. I have to say to the Secretary of State that I found

:41:28. > :41:31.the emptiness of his statement today to demean his great office of state.

:41:32. > :41:36.Given that during President Trump's campaign he clearly set out that he

:41:37. > :41:42.had a policy for banning Muslims, does he agree that this order

:41:43. > :41:51.amounts to banning muz lips? -- Muslims. No, she will understand it

:41:52. > :41:58.does not amount to that. Certain states have been singled out and I

:41:59. > :42:01.believe that to be wrong because it discriminates on the grounds of

:42:02. > :42:06.nationality. When President Obama came here during the EU referendum,

:42:07. > :42:11.he voiced concern at what we were trying to do and we told him that it

:42:12. > :42:16.was none of his business and it was due to us. While friends should be

:42:17. > :42:19.table to speak to each other, does my honourable friend agree the

:42:20. > :42:24.American people have voted Donald Trump to be their president and it

:42:25. > :42:33.is their business how they defend their borders? I do agree with him

:42:34. > :42:37.up to this point, I think it is also our duty to make our views clear to

:42:38. > :42:46.the American president about this measure. We don't like it. We think

:42:47. > :42:50.it is divisive, discriminatory and wrong assist said, but it is a

:42:51. > :42:57.sovereign Government of a friendly country and they have taken this

:42:58. > :43:03.decision by due process. If colleagues have been listening they

:43:04. > :43:09.will have noticed the Foreign Secretary has been given pithy

:43:10. > :43:15.replies. I would is for pithy single sentence questions without preamble

:43:16. > :43:23.amble if if they want a preamble, keep it for the long winter've nings

:43:24. > :43:29.ahead. Head o' -' -- - evenings ahead. What is the impact on this

:43:30. > :43:38.order on British foreign policy objectives in the Middle East and

:43:39. > :43:45.other areas with Muslim populations. Most countries in the Middle East

:43:46. > :43:49.are exempt from these provisions, we will work with administration to

:43:50. > :43:54.address the problems in the Middle East. Can I congratulate the Foreign

:43:55. > :43:58.Secretary on standing up for British nationals and it is right we are a

:43:59. > :44:01.friend of the United States, can he also point out to the administration

:44:02. > :44:06.that we should steer clear of policies that could act as a

:44:07. > :44:13.recruiting sergeant for Daesh. We have been extremely candid with our

:44:14. > :44:17.American partners as I have been with the House about our

:44:18. > :44:23.reservations, they include the grounds my honourable friend has

:44:24. > :44:27.mentioned. Can Iry repeat the question he didn't answer. In light

:44:28. > :44:32.of our special relationships with the United States, why did it take

:44:33. > :44:38.the Government of the United Kingdom over 17 hours longer to get the same

:44:39. > :44:43.assurances that the Canadians got? It is our duty to secure the best

:44:44. > :44:48.possible deal for the citizens of the United Kingdom. What Canada does

:44:49. > :44:52.is a matter for Canada. I have no knowledge of what deal they may or

:44:53. > :45:02.may have not secured. This was an executive Orde order that caught

:45:03. > :45:06.many departments on the hop and it has taken them some time to

:45:07. > :45:15.elaborate the policy that we now have. As trump is a democratic

:45:16. > :45:22.elected president of our closest ally, who is carrying out a promise

:45:23. > :45:27.he made to the American people, can I commend the Foreign Secretary for

:45:28. > :45:32.standing firm on the state visit, which is in our national interest

:45:33. > :45:38.and after all, if pursuing policies that the UK Government didn't agree

:45:39. > :45:46.with, barred any country from a state visit no, country would ever

:45:47. > :45:53.get a state visit. I'm grateful to my honourable friend, to the best of

:45:54. > :45:58.my knowledge, even Robert Mugabe have been entertained by the Queen

:45:59. > :46:04.and I think most members of House would concede it is our duty and the

:46:05. > :46:10.right thing to do to put in preparations now to put preparations

:46:11. > :46:15.now for receiving our friend, our partner and the leader of the oldest

:46:16. > :46:21.of great democracy and the most important ally that we have. What a

:46:22. > :46:28.relief it was for those of us who didn't have to meet them. Does the

:46:29. > :46:35.Foreign Secretary share my concern that the ban imposed on Iraq on US

:46:36. > :46:39.nationals may damage bids to increase stability in that fragile

:46:40. > :46:43.country? I'm were aware of that problem and I have heard

:46:44. > :46:49.representations already from Iraqi politicians. There are as the my

:46:50. > :46:56.honourable friend will know specific exemptions for those involved in

:46:57. > :47:02.politics and I hope that their applications will be treated quickly

:47:03. > :47:06.by the US. Does my honourable friend agree that while of course we can

:47:07. > :47:14.say that we would not have such a policy in the UK, interfering in the

:47:15. > :47:18.affairs of a another country can be counterproductive when President

:47:19. > :47:26.Obama found when he tried to influence the outcome of the EU

:47:27. > :47:30.referendum last year. That is right and as things turned out I was

:47:31. > :47:34.grateful for President Obama's intervention, but I think that we,

:47:35. > :47:38.if I may say to the House, I think we have got the balance just about

:47:39. > :47:43.right. It is difficult. We have have had to be careful with our American

:47:44. > :47:49.partner, but we have secured protections for duals and UK

:47:50. > :47:57.citizens. The Secretary of State earlier referred to matters of

:47:58. > :48:07.taste, I find the man who talks of grabbing a woman by the pussy

:48:08. > :48:17.disgraceful. The honourable lady will know that the Prime Minister

:48:18. > :48:22.has herself said several times that such language is unacceptable. May I

:48:23. > :48:29.thank the foreign secondary for answers in such a -- Foreign

:48:30. > :48:34.Secretary for answering in such a way. Can I ask the Foreign Secretary

:48:35. > :48:43.if he has a very special friend and they have been invited to a big

:48:44. > :48:49.party, which is the better way of influencing them, banning them from

:48:50. > :48:53.the party or taking them by the hand and saying quietly you would like

:48:54. > :48:57.them to do. My honourable friend makes the point elegantly. We do not

:48:58. > :49:01.agree with this policy and do not support it and it is not something

:49:02. > :49:06.we would do, but we think the best way to effect change and influence

:49:07. > :49:16.the White House is to engage a and to be as positive as we can. My

:49:17. > :49:20.keenness to accommodate colleagues is undiminished, if people feel

:49:21. > :49:23.they're going to add further insight to our proceedings by their

:49:24. > :49:33.contribution, they can of course continue to stand, but it is not

:49:34. > :49:36.compulsory to do so. Thank you, the Prime Minister wants to do business

:49:37. > :49:46.with President Trump, presumably in the same way she does business with

:49:47. > :49:50.Saudi Arabia and t UAE. Not a single terrorist attack on US soil has come

:49:51. > :50:01.from one of the seven countries on the list. But 90% of the 9/11

:50:02. > :50:06.hijackers were from Saudi Arabia and the UAE. Is there a conflict of

:50:07. > :50:10.interest between the president's business interests? The the

:50:11. > :50:18.honourable lady must have been thinking of something out when I

:50:19. > :50:23.said these seven countries were already singled out by the Obama

:50:24. > :50:27.regime for restrictions. I will attend a conference in New York in

:50:28. > :50:31.March, can the foreign secondary assure me as a British subject born

:50:32. > :50:37.in the Yemen that I will not be detainped at immigration for

:50:38. > :50:45.questioning? Yes I can. If she has any problems, get on to us! People

:50:46. > :50:50.like Robert Mugabe and Vladimir Putin had state visits, but none

:50:51. > :50:57.were invited to address Parliament. Whose idea was it that President

:50:58. > :51:03.Trump should be asked to do so? I like the way the Labour Party is

:51:04. > :51:11.obsessing about points of protocol, but all this has yet to be

:51:12. > :51:15.determined. Thank you Mr Speaker, the Foreign Secretary has said

:51:16. > :51:19.British citizens should be treated on equal basis regardless of

:51:20. > :51:22.religion or ethnic origin. Can I say this, when I entered the United

:51:23. > :51:27.States before being a member of Parliament, on two occasions I was

:51:28. > :51:35.stopped is at the United States immigration and asked what country I

:51:36. > :51:40.was born N. I was born in Pakistan, but I'm a British national, but

:51:41. > :51:44.should everyone write to the Foreign Office to make a representation to

:51:45. > :51:51.the United States. I would point out to my honourable friend this of

:51:52. > :51:56.course I assume took place donor the Obama administration. It is

:51:57. > :52:10.something that I am happy to receive correspondence about. But he and

:52:11. > :52:16.every other possess or of a UK pass port with travel. As a man of

:52:17. > :52:21.Catholic literary taste, I'm sure he is familiar with the book the art of

:52:22. > :52:25.deal, where Donald Trump said a good negotiating position is to start

:52:26. > :52:31.with something so outrageous that will incite fury and then move to

:52:32. > :52:35.something which may seem outrageous, but which comparison seems almost

:52:36. > :52:39.reasonable. He will have analysed possible future actions by the

:52:40. > :52:45.president, what conclusions has he drawn? The conclusion that anybody

:52:46. > :52:51.looking at the president's rhetoric and what he has done, anybody would

:52:52. > :52:56.conclude that his bark is considerably worse than his bite and

:52:57. > :53:04.I think we have every opportunity to do... To every opportunity to do a

:53:05. > :53:08.very, very good deal with him on all sorts of thing, not least a free

:53:09. > :53:20.trade deal. What assessment has been done by the

:53:21. > :53:27.United Kingdom government, namely that the Islam if all be propagated

:53:28. > :53:35.at America could make it easier for Islamic State to recruit terrorists?

:53:36. > :53:42.I agree with the phenomenon, to which he is alluding. And we all

:53:43. > :53:49.need to work harder, with American partners to tackle that sense of

:53:50. > :53:54.exclusion and isolation, driving extremism. When it comes to

:53:55. > :54:00.refugees, women's rights, torture, can the Foreign Secretary explain

:54:01. > :54:12.how many refugees were going to take to offset the ban, and will he think

:54:13. > :54:16.that state visit? As I said earlier, this country has a proud record of

:54:17. > :54:22.taking refugees and funding international organisations. And

:54:23. > :54:28.campaigning for female victims of sexual violence. We have done more

:54:29. > :54:35.than any other country in the world. And we continue those colleges. As

:54:36. > :54:38.for the point about the state visit, repeatedly this afternoon, Her

:54:39. > :54:45.Majesty the Queen has extended that invitation. It is proper that should

:54:46. > :54:50.go-ahead. It will. Could the country come to the conclusion that the

:54:51. > :54:55.government and the Foreign Secretary's responds to this foreign

:54:56. > :55:01.policy is that the government is so desperate for post Brexit trade deal

:55:02. > :55:06.our with the United States, willing to become an apologist for the

:55:07. > :55:09.Donald Trump administration? Any fair-minded person, having listened

:55:10. > :55:16.to what has happened, would understand that far from supporting

:55:17. > :55:21.the policy, far from approving and agreeing with the policy, we have

:55:22. > :55:26.worked with the incoming administration to modify the policy

:55:27. > :55:38.and secure important protections for United Kingdom and dual nationals.

:55:39. > :55:42.Many thanks Mr Speaker. Given a number of psychologists have

:55:43. > :55:49.suggested that President Trump has displayed signs of narcissism, will

:55:50. > :55:57.be Foreign Secretary be seeking a psychological opinion himself? Their

:55:58. > :56:05.respective of the psychological traits of various world leaders, I

:56:06. > :56:11.have not had a chance to consult the register, to see if she is indeed a

:56:12. > :56:16.psychologist..., we will be working with the President and the

:56:17. > :56:20.partnership with the United States is absolutely vital not just for

:56:21. > :56:28.security, but also for the entire world. This order does not

:56:29. > :56:34.stigmatise just on nationality, as the Secretary of State has said, it

:56:35. > :56:38.is also on the basis of faith. This is a Muslim ban. It has been

:56:39. > :56:43.admitted by those who the president asked to help them, so why is the

:56:44. > :56:48.Secretary of State insisting on pretending that these people are not

:56:49. > :56:54.doing the very thing that they themselves are telling us they are

:56:55. > :56:57.doing. To the best of my knowledge, the president has himself has

:56:58. > :57:03.associated himself from that characterisation of this policy. I

:57:04. > :57:10.have two remained the House, these seven countries do not comprise the

:57:11. > :57:18.world, Muslim and had been singled out by President Obama for

:57:19. > :57:24.restricted visa regulations. Given the Donald Trump administration

:57:25. > :57:32.seems intent on trading on humanities, when was the first time

:57:33. > :57:39.the Secretary of State called his opposite number to express his

:57:40. > :57:43.upset? My opposite number has not been confirmed in office yet, but we

:57:44. > :57:50.have had conversations with representatives of the Donald Trump

:57:51. > :57:58.administration. I wonder if the Foreign Secretary can comment on the

:57:59. > :58:01.blog up from Gary Gibbon on C4, stating that the Prime Minister was

:58:02. > :58:08.told about the united states refugee ban. That it was coming before the

:58:09. > :58:15.signing of the executive order. Can the Foreign Secretary confirmed or

:58:16. > :58:22.deny that fact? I do not comment on confidential conversations between

:58:23. > :58:26.the Prime Minister. I do not comment on confidential conversations

:58:27. > :58:31.between the Prime Minister and the United States president. But what I

:58:32. > :58:37.can tell the house, as soon as we had a full understanding of the

:58:38. > :58:42.measure that they brought in, had we decided to intercede to get the

:58:43. > :58:50.protections that we need. Thank you Mr Speaker. When the Prime Minister

:58:51. > :58:55.visits the native states, and Trump held her hand, was he going to tell

:58:56. > :59:04.her what his intentions were going to be? No deal is better than a bad

:59:05. > :59:11.deal?! I could quite make out the earlier part... Not but I totally

:59:12. > :59:20.agree with that last part. Holocaust survivors have said that this

:59:21. > :59:23.remains them of the 1930s. Is this a time for appeasement, standing up

:59:24. > :59:32.for British values? I think it is time for prospective. Time to stop

:59:33. > :59:42.demeaning the Holocaust. I was in Washington last week, with the Nato

:59:43. > :59:46.assembly, and the administration, offices of state of the United

:59:47. > :59:57.States, congressmen and senators took us apart. They can stand by us,

:59:58. > :59:59.our values are under attack with this administration. Does the

:00:00. > :00:04.Foreign Secretary appreciate what comes out of your and the statements

:00:05. > :00:12.that we make are very important to those Americans who want to fight to

:00:13. > :00:16.retain values? I thank the red honourable lady for what she has

:00:17. > :00:21.been doing with the Nato assembly, I think it is important that we talk

:00:22. > :00:27.to partners about the importance of organisations and we have got many

:00:28. > :00:38.friends on Capitol Hill who agreed profoundly. But the Wheaton nail

:00:39. > :00:45.those arguments down is to engage with the Donald Trump

:00:46. > :00:48.administration. -- way to. The ban affects the resettlement of refugees

:00:49. > :00:51.from seven countries, many of whom have been waiting for years, ready

:00:52. > :00:58.to go to the United States before the ban came in. What is he going to

:00:59. > :01:03.do, to use this special relationship, to speak up for the

:01:04. > :01:08.rights of people, victims of war? We have made the position clear. We

:01:09. > :01:13.believe that the United States has a record of taking refugees, already

:01:14. > :01:17.taking 12,000 from the Syrian conflict and I hope that they are

:01:18. > :01:28.going to think again. Does the Foreign Secretary not share concern,

:01:29. > :01:33.granting this invitation to the president, it could get us some

:01:34. > :01:40.short-term brownie points... But lose respect and trust from many

:01:41. > :01:47.other countries, until recently we had the same boundaries of decency,

:01:48. > :01:52.tolerance and respect. I think you have got to turn that on its head.

:01:53. > :01:56.Other countries are looking to us to engage with the new American

:01:57. > :02:04.administration. Reflecting concerns. Getting across messages. On Nato,

:02:05. > :02:11.trade, values that unite us. This shameful lack of immediate

:02:12. > :02:15.condemnation, from the Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary, it

:02:16. > :02:20.is a disgrace to this house. The government often talks about global

:02:21. > :02:29.influence, but they do not seem to have influence, or guts to condemn

:02:30. > :02:34.this? The impact this is going to have, on some vulnerable people,

:02:35. > :02:41.specifically Muslims. It strikes me that the question was composed long

:02:42. > :02:45.before she actually came to the statement, and she has heard what I

:02:46. > :02:49.had to say. Any fair-minded person who has listened to what I have had

:02:50. > :02:53.to say, about what the United Kingdom government has done over the

:02:54. > :02:58.last 48 hours could not have said what she said. Would the Foreign

:02:59. > :03:04.Secretary agree with me, that regardless of the exemption of

:03:05. > :03:07.United Kingdom nationals, the Donald Trump Presidency is going to be

:03:08. > :03:16.tainted by this bigoted, immoral ban? That the Prime Minister is

:03:17. > :03:24.tainted by this hand association, and he is tainted by complacency?

:03:25. > :03:34.Very important point. The leadership of the Labour Party has been talking

:03:35. > :03:39.to the IRA not so many years ago. Possibly still does. What we are

:03:40. > :03:45.advocating, engagement with the government of the most powerful

:03:46. > :03:49.nation on earth, on which the security of the world depends. Time

:03:50. > :03:57.the Foreign Secretary not understand why this is perceived as

:03:58. > :04:01.discriminatory towards Muslims? The seven countries are Muslim majority,

:04:02. > :04:06.and the president himself has said that those minorities from those

:04:07. > :04:14.countries, including Syrian Christians are going to be exempt? I

:04:15. > :04:17.do not think much to choose between us, on our perspectives. I have

:04:18. > :04:23.already said repeatedly this afternoon, I believe this to be

:04:24. > :04:31.divisive, discriminate tree, and wrong. Repeating the words of the

:04:32. > :04:37.right honourable lady. That is my view. It could be

:04:38. > :04:42.counter-productive, that is the view of many members, that is the point

:04:43. > :04:48.that we are also making. Does the Foreign Secretary accept the point

:04:49. > :04:57.that this sort of action is exactly what Isis want? Because it plays

:04:58. > :05:03.into the false narrative the west is anti Muslim? What President Trump

:05:04. > :05:09.has done, it is not just immoral, it is also a threat to security?

:05:10. > :05:13.Everybody understands the scope and the extent of the challenge that we

:05:14. > :05:17.face from radical Islamic extremists. But I understand the

:05:18. > :05:22.point that honourable gentleman has made. Pushing people into a corner,

:05:23. > :05:28.making them the more isolated. But we are working with a huge coalition

:05:29. > :05:35.of Muslim countries, mainly completely unaffected, to defeat

:05:36. > :05:40.that extremism and radicalisation. Did the Foreign Secretary, at any

:05:41. > :05:52.point of the conversations, raise the Geneva Convention? Or was that

:05:53. > :05:58.left to Angolan miracle? -- Angela Merkel? At the risk of repeating, we

:05:59. > :06:02.have expressed opinions on the policy, with respect of refugees and

:06:03. > :06:09.migration from those seven countries. My honourable friend

:06:10. > :06:14.raised an important point moments ago, the house not getting an

:06:15. > :06:18.answer. It would seem the Prime Minister was told about the refugee

:06:19. > :06:22.ban, and these talks, can the Foreign Secretary can this was the

:06:23. > :06:27.case, and what was her advice to the President? I think I gave the answer

:06:28. > :06:29.moments ago. I am not going to comment on the confidential

:06:30. > :06:38.conversations taking place between the Prime Minister and her opposite

:06:39. > :06:42.number. We have worked with friends in the White House, State

:06:43. > :06:46.Department, Homeland Security, to understand exactly how this measure

:06:47. > :06:52.is going to be implemented, making sure we secure the protection the

:06:53. > :07:03.country needs. My constituent e-mailed to say, the state visit is

:07:04. > :07:06.going to be presented as a ringing endorsement from the United Kingdom,

:07:07. > :07:09.and unfortunately Scotland as well. Does the Foreign Secretary not

:07:10. > :07:18.appreciate we are being judged by the friendships that we keep? I

:07:19. > :07:23.understand the feelings of many people, in this country and around

:07:24. > :07:26.the world. I have seen the numbers, on the petitions. I'm going to

:07:27. > :07:34.repeat my point to the house. It is our job, as a sensible government,

:07:35. > :07:39.to work with the most powerful democracy in the world, whose

:07:40. > :07:45.leadership is absolutely indispensable for our security. That

:07:46. > :07:49.is what we are going to do, and it is entirely correct, because every

:07:50. > :07:54.other president before him has, to the needy kingdom. Donald Com should

:07:55. > :07:58.receive that state visit. Does the Foreign Secretary realise that the

:07:59. > :08:03.relationship with America, is partly based on the strength of our

:08:04. > :08:06.leadership, rather than weakness and compliance? Does he recognise him a

:08:07. > :08:10.it undermines that special relationship when we have a Prime

:08:11. > :08:11.Minister following over the president, rather than standing up

:08:12. > :08:18.to him? It will be obvious to the meanest

:08:19. > :08:23.intelligence that we have not complied with this policy, but we

:08:24. > :08:26.have sought changes and proven dig prudence. So we protect the rights

:08:27. > :08:34.of dual nationals who may have been born in the seven countries who may

:08:35. > :08:40.have been identified. A country must be judged by the company it keeps.

:08:41. > :08:45.How will history judge the Prime Minister and how long it took to

:08:46. > :08:54.condemn trump's executive order? Instead, she talked about trade

:08:55. > :09:02.deals. I refer to what I said earlier. I would add the Prime

:09:03. > :09:06.Minister during the time which the ribbed cousins that were being felt

:09:07. > :09:12.in the US alone was Ashley in transit -- repercussions. --

:09:13. > :09:16.actually in transit where she secured a fantastic deal for the

:09:17. > :09:22.country where she supplied Turkey with British made fighter planes.

:09:23. > :09:28.The US has been a leader of so much that is best in the world. This

:09:29. > :09:33.policy has let the USA and the world down. Can you confirm that he knew

:09:34. > :09:38.that the Prime Minister knew in advance? With the asked to brief and

:09:39. > :09:41.if so what did he say that she should say in response? Before the

:09:42. > :09:45.executive order was signed and if he did know did he make any preparation

:09:46. > :09:50.in advance of this coming into force? I I have answered that

:09:51. > :09:53.question already and I don't comment on the conversations that take place

:09:54. > :10:03.between the Prime Minister and between her opposite number. Over

:10:04. > :10:09.4000 of my constituents have signed a position against the state visit.

:10:10. > :10:22.Over 100 of them over the last few hours while the Home Secretary was

:10:23. > :10:24.on his feet. I am delighted that 100 of his constituents have been

:10:25. > :10:31.weighted in bated breath for him to get back question finally off his

:10:32. > :10:38.chest. I can't about what it was, but all I can say is... Forgive me,

:10:39. > :10:42.I hope he will forgive me. The views of his constituents are important,

:10:43. > :10:48.they clearly disapprove of the prospect of a visit by the president

:10:49. > :10:52.of the United States. I must humbly and respectfully say them that I

:10:53. > :11:01.think it is in the interests of this country country as with every other

:11:02. > :11:11.President of the United States, they give a state visit. Does he not

:11:12. > :11:16.agree with me that supposedly the greatest democracy of has excluded

:11:17. > :11:23.for nations whose citizens have... If this is the decision of defence,

:11:24. > :11:26.it is clearly one that is lacking because it is not the Kingdom of

:11:27. > :11:33.Saudi Arabia, there is not Egypt, there is not Turkey and nowhere is

:11:34. > :11:38.United Arab Emirates. As the United States making a big mistake? -- is

:11:39. > :11:44.the United States? You cannot have been listening when I pointed out

:11:45. > :11:52.and will now point up the third time, that that was drawn up by an

:11:53. > :12:07.not the administration, but by the Balmer in illustration. -- Obama

:12:08. > :12:13.administration. I find myself in this unfortunate situation where

:12:14. > :12:17.have given you prior notice. During my response from the SNP benches to

:12:18. > :12:20.the Foreign Secretary, I am stunned that the Right Honourable member

:12:21. > :12:35.from Mid Sussex who has always afforded me courtesy and respect was

:12:36. > :12:38.making a woof woff sound. It is an opportunity to set the record

:12:39. > :12:44.straight. If it is not the case, make sure that that is not in order.

:12:45. > :12:48.Thank you for giving me the courtesy of advance notice of that. The Right

:12:49. > :12:52.Honourable judgment it in his place and I would like to hear from the

:12:53. > :12:54.Right Honourable gentleman. I like you thank the Honourable Lady for

:12:55. > :13:00.her kindness and warning me that she was going to complain of this. I

:13:01. > :13:07.thought that in her question to the Foreign Secretary she snapped at him

:13:08. > :13:13.a bit at the end, so I offered her a friendly canine salute in return. No

:13:14. > :13:20.offence was intended and I apologised to the honourable Lady if

:13:21. > :13:22.she was. Well, I think we should leave it there. I think the right

:13:23. > :13:36.honourable gentleman for what he has said. Thank you Mr Speaker. I wish

:13:37. > :13:38.to raise a point of order concerning the Secretary of State notification

:13:39. > :13:42.of wood choral bill. That certification under section 91 a of

:13:43. > :13:49.the Human Rights Act. The ministers made a statement of the effect of in

:13:50. > :13:55.his view the of his view are compatible with the opinion payment

:13:56. > :14:01.of you are right. A statement is incorrect -- his statement is

:14:02. > :14:06.incorrect. It will affect the rights of UK residents granted by you will

:14:07. > :14:09.or and it will remove some of it their existing rights. It rights

:14:10. > :14:13.include the freedom of movement in this means that the provisions of

:14:14. > :14:17.this bill will interfere with the rights of the UK residents under

:14:18. > :14:20.article eight of the EEC HR, which guarantees the right to respect a

:14:21. > :14:26.private family life and they will also interfere with the prohibit

:14:27. > :14:30.mission of discrimination -- prohibition of discrimination set

:14:31. > :14:33.out in article 14. If I'm correct, this means that the provisions of

:14:34. > :14:37.the bill are incorrect with the EEC HR and the Secretary of State has

:14:38. > :14:41.made a declaration of compatibility in error. IT cabling to this effect

:14:42. > :14:47.and or clarification of what procedure I might follow to make

:14:48. > :14:59.sure this mistake is rectified and withdrawn before the bill. -- I seek

:15:00. > :15:01.assurance to this effect. My response was incomplete. I thanked

:15:02. > :15:05.the right honourable gentleman for Mid Sussex and I stand by that for

:15:06. > :15:10.his courtesy in remaining further point of order which was proper and

:15:11. > :15:16.his apology. I neglected to respond to a particular part of the

:15:17. > :15:23.honourable member for self Bircher -- south same would it be in order.

:15:24. > :15:27.In the short answer would not have been no. It is discourteous and that

:15:28. > :15:33.expression should not have been used. That said, the Right

:15:34. > :15:38.honourable gentleman has apologise with considerable grace and very

:15:39. > :15:53.simply and I today we should most certainly leave it there. I'm ahead

:15:54. > :15:59.of myself. So it is that I ... The issues to which she refers are

:16:00. > :16:04.matters for debate. However, what I would save to the honourable and

:16:05. > :16:07.learners Lady that the joint committee of human rights not

:16:08. > :16:13.infrequently reports to both houses on the human rights implications of

:16:14. > :16:21.bills and have a feeling that this bill may be no exception. Last

:16:22. > :16:33.Friday the world lost a giant of British politics. I must put on

:16:34. > :16:36.record my sorrow on the passing of MP from Linlithgow. He served this

:16:37. > :16:43.house with immense dedication and distinction with Ford -- for 43

:16:44. > :16:49.years. He was known locally in particular for his absolute

:16:50. > :16:53.commitment to his constituents. Our thoughts at this sad time to go to

:16:54. > :16:58.his wife Kathleen, his daughter my rant is an Gordon. As well as his

:16:59. > :17:12.armoury and friends. -- and his son Gordon. He was famous of grilling

:17:13. > :17:18.Mrs Batchelor. -- Mrs Thatcher. On a very brief personal note,... Can I

:17:19. > :17:24.very gently say to the honourable Lady, I am absolutely respect her

:17:25. > :17:27.sincerity and very proper generosity of spirit in taking the opportunity,

:17:28. > :17:31.but I hope she will understand where I say that I do have to be edited to

:17:32. > :17:36.the wider issues of the house. What she has said already has been very

:17:37. > :17:47.powerful, I think it will be widely echoed across the house. I have

:17:48. > :17:52.myself of course written to Tam's widow and to both of the children.

:17:53. > :17:56.He was a parliamentary giant. His contribution was enormous, he never

:17:57. > :18:01.held ministerial office, but achieved a great deal and I think we

:18:02. > :18:08.thank him greatly for that service. I hope the honourable Lady won't

:18:09. > :18:11.take offence. It is discourteous to the house for the Secretary of State

:18:12. > :18:14.leader in application for an emergency debate in his area? I

:18:15. > :18:17.appreciate it didn't come up on the screens, but it has been widely

:18:18. > :18:24.telegraphed and indeed if there was any doubt about it I wrote a note

:18:25. > :18:27.and told him was coming. These matters upon which members can form

:18:28. > :18:35.their own views. Is there disorderly about the conduct of the Foreign

:18:36. > :18:39.Secretary, no. There is nothing disorderly about it. The Foreign

:18:40. > :18:45.Secretary was here for exchanges lasting approximately an hour and a

:18:46. > :18:48.half. And the question of which Minister is fielded by the

:18:49. > :18:55.Government is a matter for the Government. The Government has

:18:56. > :18:58.fielded I believe the right honourable gentleman the member for

:18:59. > :19:05.Rutland and Melton and the honourable Lady can form her own

:19:06. > :19:11.view of him, but she is certainly not disorderly. -- he. Nor is he in

:19:12. > :19:20.anyway or in any occasion that I have ever observed him remotely

:19:21. > :19:28.dishevelled. Further to that point of order, how do we get on the

:19:29. > :19:32.record to thank you for allowing that to run for so long to make sure

:19:33. > :19:37.that everything is discussed could possibly want to discussed. There

:19:38. > :19:40.are other important things to talk about like the pension bill. Can

:19:41. > :19:44.that be on the record? The honourable gentleman has found his

:19:45. > :19:51.own salvation. If the honourable gentleman is implying that the

:19:52. > :19:57.appetite for commentary and possibly over speech-making -- even

:19:58. > :20:02.speech-making has been satisfied, I can say only that the honourable

:20:03. > :20:09.gentleman is a braver man than I am. I now call on the assumption that

:20:10. > :20:14.points of order have indeed been exhausted, Mr Edward Miller band

:20:15. > :20:18.will propose a debate on a specific and important matter double have

:20:19. > :20:22.urgent consideration under the terms of standing order number 24. The

:20:23. > :20:28.right Honourable member has art to three minutes in which to make such

:20:29. > :20:33.an application. Mr Ed Miliband. Thank you Mr Speaker. We should

:20:34. > :20:38.debate a specific and important matter that could have urgent

:20:39. > :20:43.consideration. In need to repeal President Trump's counter-productive

:20:44. > :20:50.ban of entering the United States for people from seven predominantly

:20:51. > :20:55.Muslim countries and the indefinite ban. I'm supported by the Oracle

:20:56. > :21:01.member from Stratford upon Avon and indeed many other members. This has

:21:02. > :21:05.produced outrage around the world and in our country. It is an issue

:21:06. > :21:09.of urgency and importance to qualify for immediate debate under the

:21:10. > :21:11.standing orders of this house. Notwithstanding the statement that

:21:12. > :21:17.we have just had, I believe it is right given the cavity of the lease

:21:18. > :21:21.you that the house hasn't proper debate -- the gravity of the issue.

:21:22. > :21:25.So that all parties can express their views. This ban is not an

:21:26. > :21:30.attack on terrorism, but on those of a particular religious faith,

:21:31. > :21:37.Muslims. And is clearly discriminatory. It goes against the

:21:38. > :21:41.1951 Geneva Convention on refugees and does not make the world more

:21:42. > :21:45.safe, but more dangerous. There are also clearly from the exchanges

:21:46. > :21:48.earlier a host of unanswered questions about residents of the UK

:21:49. > :21:53.who have passports for the country's concerns. Given our close alliance

:21:54. > :21:57.with the United States, it is particularly important that this

:21:58. > :22:02.parliament speaks up, preferably with one voice to seek to get this

:22:03. > :22:05.ban revoked. An emergency debate would represent an important

:22:06. > :22:09.opportunity to do this and indeed it is an eventuality like this, and

:22:10. > :22:13.matter of pressing and immediate importance, for which the standing

:22:14. > :22:16.orders were designed. I asking Mr Speaker to grant this application

:22:17. > :22:21.under S O 24 for an emergency debate. I have listened carefully to

:22:22. > :22:25.the application from the right honourable member and I and

:22:26. > :22:30.satisfied that the matter raised by him is proper to be discussed under

:22:31. > :22:40.standing order number 24 also have the right honourable member leave of

:22:41. > :22:48.the house? No. Come on! The answer is the right honourable judgment

:22:49. > :22:54.does have the leave of the house. That is clear from the evident

:22:55. > :23:00.demonstration of compliance from the requirement of the standing order

:23:01. > :23:06.entailment of members. The right honourable members retain. The

:23:07. > :23:11.debate will be held immediately as the first item of public business

:23:12. > :23:17.today. The debate will last for three hours and will arise on a

:23:18. > :23:23.motion that the house has considered the specified matter set out in the

:23:24. > :23:27.right honourable member's application will stop namely, and I

:23:28. > :23:34.quote, the need for repeal of President Trump's discriminatory,

:23:35. > :23:37.divisive ban on entry to the United States from people from

:23:38. > :23:42.predominantly Muslim countries and the indefinite ban placed on Syrian

:23:43. > :23:50.refugees. The scheduled business for today will take place afterwards and

:23:51. > :23:54.understanding order number 24 subsection seven may continue for

:23:55. > :23:58.the same time beyond the moment of interruption. -- under standing

:23:59. > :24:02.order. By emergency debate. Obviously there is no list of

:24:03. > :24:10.speakers, because members were not to know whether such a debate would

:24:11. > :24:15.take place. Therefore, members who wish to catch the eye of the chair

:24:16. > :24:31.should simply stand in order to do so.

:24:32. > :24:39.Thank you Mr Speaker. I beg to move the motion. I think it is correct

:24:40. > :24:41.that members across the House of Commons have the opportunity to

:24:42. > :24:49.address these issues, and I'm going to seek to keep my remarks brief.

:24:50. > :24:54.Eye want to particularly thank the honourable gentleman, the member for

:24:55. > :24:59.Stratford-upon-Avon, for being with me on this debate. I believe that

:25:00. > :25:07.the honourable gentleman has acted throughout the last couple of days,

:25:08. > :25:13.with dignity and eloquence. We are approaching this debate, in the hope

:25:14. > :25:18.to send a clear and United view from this house about President Trump,

:25:19. > :25:26.measures. This debate is not about respect for the United States, our

:25:27. > :25:31.friendship, I lived there, we have friends there, the declaration of

:25:32. > :25:34.Independence is one of the most powerful political documents. The

:25:35. > :25:41.United States has been built on the back of immigrants across the world,

:25:42. > :25:49.it is inscribed on the tax you -- statue of liberty, give me your

:25:50. > :25:53.tired, poor, huddled masses to breathe freely. It is the unique

:25:54. > :25:57.relationship with America that I believe gives us a special

:25:58. > :26:02.responsibility, after what has transpired over the last few days.

:26:03. > :26:06.At the heart of this debate, three questions. Is it correct for

:26:07. > :26:11.President Trump to ban indiscriminately, people from

:26:12. > :26:21.certain countries, from entering the united states, and indefinitely ban

:26:22. > :26:29.Syrian refugees? Could he tell the house, who funds refugees in Syria?

:26:30. > :26:37.Who funds the most? Who funds the most? And the United States? This

:26:38. > :26:41.country plays an important rule. But I would say to the honourable

:26:42. > :26:50.gentleman, that is beside the point of the issue. Indiscriminate ban,

:26:51. > :26:54.indefinite ban? As the honourable gentleman has said to me over the

:26:55. > :26:59.weekend, and indefinite ban in relation to these Syrian refugees. I

:27:00. > :27:04.am going to come to that and ensure other members will also. The second

:27:05. > :27:09.question, will the President's actions make the world a safer place

:27:10. > :27:16.or more dangerous? My contention, it is going to meet the word a more

:27:17. > :27:22.dangerous place and that reflects our national interest. And the third

:27:23. > :27:26.question, what is the responsibility of Britain, speeding up on these

:27:27. > :27:33.issues? I want to talk about those questions. At the outset, I want to

:27:34. > :27:39.say that Americans and people in this country are fearful about the

:27:40. > :27:43.threat from Isis, and terrorist networks. That is understandable and

:27:44. > :27:49.we have got to respond to that. No doubt about that. I support measures

:27:50. > :27:58.that keep citizens safe, and those of the united States. But it is not

:27:59. > :28:01.enough to say that we are going to be fearful, citizens are fearful, we

:28:02. > :28:08.have to weigh whatever actions are proposed. It cannot be used as an

:28:09. > :28:17.excuse of the suspension of rationality. And the only way of

:28:18. > :28:22.understanding span, when you look at the it, it does represent the

:28:23. > :28:28.suspension of reason and rationality. It has discrimination

:28:29. > :28:37.and divisiveness at its heart. One of the aspects, the dramatic effect

:28:38. > :28:45.it has on those who have borded aircraft, ready to go to the United

:28:46. > :28:48.States, with valid visas only to be told that they have to go back. It

:28:49. > :28:56.is that emotional effect, the most damning part of what is being

:28:57. > :29:01.proposed. My great honourable friend speaks with eloquence. And one of

:29:02. > :29:07.the most chilling things, reading the accounts over the weekend, of

:29:08. > :29:12.what can happen to individuals... It was frankly astounding. It was like

:29:13. > :29:21.tinpot dictatorships. It is not what we would hope for from the United

:29:22. > :29:25.States. I share concerns, but does he agree that we have got a

:29:26. > :29:29.responsibility to act responsibly, and speak responsibly in this

:29:30. > :29:34.chamber? The seven countries of concern that he has referred to,

:29:35. > :29:41.actually identified by the president Obama Administration in 2015, with

:29:42. > :29:49.restrictions placed on immigration? I think my right honourable friend

:29:50. > :29:54.will actually say something personable. But President Trump has

:29:55. > :29:59.got so much confusion on this issue. This was about the visa waiver

:30:00. > :30:09.scheme. It was most emphatically not about a blanket ban. The country

:30:10. > :30:16.selected for the ban, no question that these countries in their

:30:17. > :30:23.different ways are dangerous places, but the Christian is if a blanket

:30:24. > :30:29.ban makes sense? In my opinion it does not. If you read the executive

:30:30. > :30:33.order, it falls apart at the first Hoddle. Section one, at the front,

:30:34. > :30:40.states the rationale for the President's proposals. It cites,

:30:41. > :30:46.first of all, 9/11. Absolutely appalling events that shocked

:30:47. > :30:53.almost. Except, none of the 9/11 attackers came from the countries

:30:54. > :30:57.where the ban has been imposed. Saudi Arabia, EJ, and goals are not

:30:58. > :31:04.on the list. The justification, falls apart. -- Egypt. Nobody is

:31:05. > :31:09.against the proper vetting of people from these countries, but the

:31:10. > :31:16.blanket ban cannot be that answer. I do not think I can do better than

:31:17. > :31:19.read the words of Angela Merkel, she said that the necessary fight

:31:20. > :31:25.against the crew one does not justify general suspicion against

:31:26. > :31:34.people of certain beliefs, in this case Muslim beliefs, or from a

:31:35. > :31:39.certain country. That is against the basic understanding of refugee

:31:40. > :31:44.support. I think Chancellor Angela Merkel has put it extremely well. We

:31:45. > :31:54.have now seen the dreadful results of this blanket ban, playing out

:31:55. > :31:59.over the last few days. Does he also share my disappointment that the

:32:00. > :32:04.statesmanship that has been chosen by Chancellor Angela Merkel, was not

:32:05. > :32:10.chosen by our Prime Minister this week? The intention of myself and my

:32:11. > :32:14.right honourable friend, is to maintain unity. I would have liked

:32:15. > :32:22.the Prime Minister to have been much clearer, much earlier. And I would

:32:23. > :32:26.still like clearer messages. Is it not a danger that this ban could

:32:27. > :32:32.increase hate crimes, in this country and elsewhere? And it could

:32:33. > :32:40.give ammunition to the violent extremists, almost recruitment

:32:41. > :32:44.sergeants as we have learned from other say in Ireland? Experiences, I

:32:45. > :32:51.think my right honourable friend hasn't as beaded what I was going to

:32:52. > :32:55.say, what message does this send to one quarter of the world's

:32:56. > :33:06.population? To Muslims? It says that you are not wanted because of your

:33:07. > :33:15.religious faith. And what more of a recruitment could you get Isis? For

:33:16. > :33:24.one of the first people detained, was an Iraqi interpreter. The team

:33:25. > :33:34.for 19 errors, but he had worked for the US military. Green card holders

:33:35. > :33:39.handcuffed. Detention for 16 hours. Five-year-olds, for several hours.

:33:40. > :33:47.And the issue, I am grateful that the Foreign Secretary has clarified

:33:48. > :33:52.this, the issue of dual citizens. Sir Mo Farah caught up in this. I am

:33:53. > :34:00.just going to say this, I give way... Before I think, as bad as the

:34:01. > :34:09.substance of this executive order is... Cavalier is not putting it

:34:10. > :34:15.high enough. The appalling way that the government of the United States

:34:16. > :34:17.has gone about this. It is the actions of tinpot dictatorships. I

:34:18. > :34:23.think the Foreign Secretary acknowledged in his statement, that

:34:24. > :34:29.it was clear that people had been caught on the hop. This Draconian

:34:30. > :34:40.measure was put into place without even consulting people. I think

:34:41. > :34:44.everyone in this house loss and admires and respects America? The

:34:45. > :34:48.traditions? We are saddened by what has happened. And on the point that

:34:49. > :34:56.he is making, one of the things that is concerning, federal court rulings

:34:57. > :35:02.not seeming to be implemented at points of entry? The respect of the

:35:03. > :35:06.rule of law, is something that we all and loss. I think my right

:35:07. > :35:17.honourable friend is speaking eloquently. Human rights and the

:35:18. > :35:21.rule of law, incredibly important. The same thing applies to President

:35:22. > :35:25.Trump. It is good to see the Foreign Office minister, good statement

:35:26. > :35:33.earlier today, I do not want to cause trouble... But I thought it

:35:34. > :35:39.was a good statement. He is nodding. Will he in one way, exit, the

:35:40. > :35:47.executive order is not a surprise. It was one of the key plans of

:35:48. > :35:53.President Trump's election campaign last year? Simply because it was an

:35:54. > :36:02.election pledge, that in no way suggests it is right? I think the

:36:03. > :36:10.person who said that people were taking him seriously, but not

:36:11. > :36:13.literally, had it wrong. But whether President Trump talked about this

:36:14. > :36:17.during the campaign or not, we have a responsibility to decide how we

:36:18. > :36:22.are going to respond and the strength of the response. I will

:36:23. > :36:27.come later to discuss why I think it is important that we speak up. I am

:36:28. > :36:31.conscious of the fact that other people want to speak but I'm going

:36:32. > :36:35.give way. To I do not want to diminish the topic that we are

:36:36. > :36:43.discussing, but my wife who is a British citizen was born in Israel.

:36:44. > :36:48.She is not going to be able to travel to Malaysia, 17 countries

:36:49. > :36:54.around the Middle East, so if my right honourable friend cares so

:36:55. > :36:59.passionately, what does he intend to do about that? I agree with the

:37:00. > :37:06.right honourable gentleman, important issues. Definitely. I

:37:07. > :37:11.recall... I do not want to sound an old man of the sea. Like but I

:37:12. > :37:15.remember an intervention on the debate about Libya, supporting the

:37:16. > :37:19.government, Eagle said that we cannot support this, and people had

:37:20. > :37:23.different views. They said we cannot support this because we have got

:37:24. > :37:28.what terrible things happening. Two wrongs don't make a right. After

:37:29. > :37:34.all, this is supposed to be our closest ally. And people supposed to

:37:35. > :37:41.be upholding human rights, the rule of law. It is difficult to lecture

:37:42. > :37:44.other countries on the respect of human rights, if the President of

:37:45. > :37:49.the United States is failing to do so. I want to mention one specific

:37:50. > :37:55.keys. I think it brings home the lunacy of this proposal. It is

:37:56. > :38:06.something I read yesterday, about a case of an eating room. --

:38:07. > :38:11.18-year-old from Syria. He was recently accepted for a degree at

:38:12. > :38:14.Massachusetts, supposed to be one of the most talented students, in one

:38:15. > :38:20.of the most competitive academic pools. It was a young man from

:38:21. > :38:26.Syria, wanting to study engineering, and he said President Trump's order

:38:27. > :38:33.are going to stop me from studying. Dreams ruined. Students, as with the

:38:34. > :38:37.issue of green cards, hopefully they can find a way to change the

:38:38. > :38:43.position. But this brings home by the blanket ban is such a terrible

:38:44. > :38:45.idea. And countless other examples, no doubt will want to talk about

:38:46. > :38:57.them. Let me deal briefly with whether or

:38:58. > :39:05.not this is a Muslim ban. It clearly is a Muslim ban. Why do I say that?

:39:06. > :39:08.Because that was the President's original intention, because Rudolph

:39:09. > :39:15.Giuliani said on television yesterday that President Trump

:39:16. > :39:19.called me and said how do we get a Muslim ban and I said this is how we

:39:20. > :39:24.can get it to happen. And look at the executive order itself. I think

:39:25. > :39:28.all of us recognise the persecution in particular of Christians in the

:39:29. > :39:32.Middle East and the importance to take special note of that. Indeed,

:39:33. > :39:38.that is already done in a way that refugees are handled. At the very

:39:39. > :39:44.fact that in the executive order, it singled out the possibility that

:39:45. > :39:47.minorities from the predominantly Muslim countries will have special

:39:48. > :39:52.treatment. In a way, it folds into the executive order the very idea

:39:53. > :40:04.that this is done on the basis of religious faith. This is a ban aimed

:40:05. > :40:09.at Muslims. I give way. Do you not agree that what you are describing

:40:10. > :40:15.emphasises how we important it is that we as a country are able to

:40:16. > :40:18.contribute and be members of organisations like the Council of

:40:19. > :40:23.Europe and the European Court of Human Rights because otherwise we

:40:24. > :40:27.lose the ability to join with other nations to make exactly the point is

:40:28. > :40:31.that he is making. I completely agree with my right honourable

:40:32. > :40:35.friend and indeed I would like there to be and perhaps the Government of

:40:36. > :40:40.Minister will ponder this, I would like there to be a more co-ordinated

:40:41. > :40:46.European response on this issue. We are still members of the European

:40:47. > :40:49.Union. I do believe this is an area, if there is any area where Europe

:40:50. > :40:54.should be speaking with one voice, if I can put it this way, I don't

:40:55. > :40:58.see why they couldn't be a European heads of Government meeting to talk

:40:59. > :41:01.about this issue and talk about Europe's response because I think it

:41:02. > :41:06.is quite important that President Trump knows that there is a

:41:07. > :41:10.coordinated and clear voice from Europe on this issue. I am sorry, I

:41:11. > :41:14.did say that I would give way to the honourable Lady and I didn't. Thank

:41:15. > :41:19.you for giving way. Does he agree with me that along with how apparent

:41:20. > :41:23.this is to people looking on, we must save a thought for the staff

:41:24. > :41:29.and the embassies and consulates around the world. I worked a while

:41:30. > :41:33.in the consulate in end of Brett and I know the feeling will be it will

:41:34. > :41:39.be very difficult for them to execute this and be on the front

:41:40. > :41:44.line of this. Yes. Very important point. People will be wondering why

:41:45. > :41:47.they have to implement it. People were saying on Friday you better

:41:48. > :41:53.called President Trump if you don't like it to people who were victims

:41:54. > :41:57.of this. I give way. Like him, I am concerned. What I would like to

:41:58. > :42:05.know, what is the difference between President Obama administration had

:42:06. > :42:08.and President Trump's? And I have the specific difference between what

:42:09. > :42:16.bread and a Obama administration had and President Trump's? -- what

:42:17. > :42:20.President Obama's administration. Trump is about a blanket ban from

:42:21. > :42:29.several different countries. President Obama's proposal and

:42:30. > :42:37.indeed if I'm allowed to say this, the MP from Stratford-upon-Avon, it

:42:38. > :42:46.would about -- it was about the waiver. The final point I want to

:42:47. > :42:52.make I -- on the case of why is it such a terrible thing what Trump has

:42:53. > :42:56.done is the ban on all refugees in Syria. My brother had a piece in the

:42:57. > :42:59.New York Times of direct and people read. We do the most thoroughly

:43:00. > :43:04.vetted people in the world, refugees. They have up to 36 months

:43:05. > :43:11.of vetting, screenings and armoured of Homeland Security. The FBI, the

:43:12. > :43:17.Department of defence, so we have seen some read attention of the

:43:18. > :43:22.innocent, some in clear basis of faith, and flouting of the Geneva

:43:23. > :43:28.Convention on faith. It will not make the country or the world safer.

:43:29. > :43:31.Quite the opposite. I can't do any better to quote John McCain and

:43:32. > :43:36.Lindsay Graham who said yesterday we fear this executive order will

:43:37. > :43:42.become a self-inflicted wound in the fight against terrorism. This

:43:43. > :43:49.executive order sent a signal that Americans do not want Muslims in the

:43:50. > :43:54.country. That is why we feel that this may do more to help terrorist

:43:55. > :44:00.recruitment then help security. I believe they are right. I'm sure I

:44:01. > :44:04.am not alone in saying that my office has been besieged in phone

:44:05. > :44:08.calls today. Tearful, upset constituents who are saying why is

:44:09. > :44:12.it that the world has abandoned us when somebody can say basically that

:44:13. > :44:24.we are all terrorists? My honourable friend friend puts it very well. We

:44:25. > :44:29.see it playing out. We are in partnership with the Iraqi

:44:30. > :44:32.Government against is all. We see their response against the Trump

:44:33. > :44:38.ban. Saying there should be retaliation against the Trump

:44:39. > :44:44.administration. Think about the signal that this sends to people all

:44:45. > :44:48.around the world. The message that Muslims are not welcome. It

:44:49. > :45:01.precisely buys into the clash of civilisations's narrative that...

:45:02. > :45:07.The United States has always been our oldest and closest ally. Some

:45:08. > :45:13.people will say that this is not a matter for us. I profoundly

:45:14. > :45:18.disagree. It is absolutely a matter for us. The fundamental and

:45:19. > :45:22.dangerous betrayal of values this represents is an affront to all

:45:23. > :45:25.others. It is an affront to the Muslims living in this country, to

:45:26. > :45:31.every citizen of this country. As I said, it will make the world a more

:45:32. > :45:36.dangerous place. If we allow this to stand, and we shrug our shoulders,

:45:37. > :45:43.it will amount to complicity with President Trump. These actions are

:45:44. > :45:49.not normal, rational or sensible. We know Mr Speaker that President Trump

:45:50. > :45:52.is a bully. The only course of action open to assimilation to his

:45:53. > :45:58.bullying is to stand up and be counted. A moment when we... I will

:45:59. > :46:02.give way. Thank you for giving way. He is making a very powerful case as

:46:03. > :46:06.to why this must be challenged. Does he therefore share my despair that

:46:07. > :46:10.it has become apparent today that our Prime Minister knew about this

:46:11. > :46:15.before she walked into a room and looked President Trump in the face

:46:16. > :46:19.and chose to say nothing? Well, I heard my honourable friend asked the

:46:20. > :46:25.very powerful question to the Foreign Secretary earlier on and I

:46:26. > :46:30.think this is an important point. If I can take this to a wider issue, I

:46:31. > :46:32.understand the need free trade deal with the United States. I think

:46:33. > :46:40.there is a whole set of issues with that radio. I think on our keenness

:46:41. > :46:44.to get a trade deal, shrink from speaking truth to the most important

:46:45. > :46:49.man in the world. It would be the wrong thing to do. I close by saying

:46:50. > :46:53.this. The only course of action open to us when we see what has happened

:46:54. > :46:58.in the United States, where we see this executive order, is to act on

:46:59. > :47:03.the basis of our values. This is the purpose of this debate. I thank you

:47:04. > :47:06.for grant think this. -- granting this. I hope this can be approved by

:47:07. > :47:11.honourable and Right Honourable members. The question is that this

:47:12. > :47:17.houses considering the matter of a repeal of President Trump's

:47:18. > :47:20.discriminatory and can put a ban on entry to the United States from

:47:21. > :47:28.people from seven predominantly Muslim countries and the indefinite

:47:29. > :47:34.ban placed on Syrian refugees. Thank you Mr Speaker. Thank you for

:47:35. > :47:39.granting the request made by myself and my right honourable friend the

:47:40. > :47:44.member for Donk arsenal. -- Doncaster North. I would like to

:47:45. > :47:48.thank everybody on all sides and beyond for messages of support,

:47:49. > :47:54.private and public, over the last 72 hours of the anguish from my own

:47:55. > :47:59.family. If every last day, my wife and I had our Visa waiver is revoked

:48:00. > :48:05.in the wake of heightened security measures undertaken by President

:48:06. > :48:08.Obama's administration because of our status as Iraqi born

:48:09. > :48:13.individuals. Although, we are both British systems. At the time, this

:48:14. > :48:17.precaution seemed fair. We were required to present ourselves at the

:48:18. > :48:20.US embassy for interview in order to guarantee the future security of our

:48:21. > :48:27.travel to America. This was of course understandable, but

:48:28. > :48:32.nonetheless uncomfortable. It was not though nearly as uncomfortable

:48:33. > :48:35.as this weekend has been for my family and I. I learned that my

:48:36. > :48:41.ability to travel to the United States was to be denied to me, a

:48:42. > :48:46.country that I revere so much for its values, with which I have such

:48:47. > :48:51.great affinity, affection and admiration and to which I have sent

:48:52. > :48:57.both my sons to university. I learned Mr Speaker that this great

:48:58. > :49:02.nation had put in place measures that would prevent mine and my

:49:03. > :49:06.family's ability to travel and feel welcome there. I was concerned about

:49:07. > :49:11.the next time I would see my boys due to our reluctance to let them

:49:12. > :49:18.fly home to of eventualities that they would be forced not to be able

:49:19. > :49:26.to return. My wife and I despaired that had one of our sons had been

:49:27. > :49:33.taken seriously ill as he was last year we would not be able to go to

:49:34. > :49:36.him he needed us most. We know that similar sentiments had been felt by

:49:37. > :49:42.many families such as mine over the weekend. In the UK and around the

:49:43. > :49:47.world. I recognised fully, Mr Speaker, that I am speaking from a

:49:48. > :49:55.position of great religion. I have been very lucky as a businessman. I

:49:56. > :50:02.am hugely pleb alleged -- hugely privileged. But we need to remember

:50:03. > :50:09.that there are many people who do not have this platform or this

:50:10. > :50:12.voice. There are many of whom through no fault of their own who

:50:13. > :50:17.will be seriously affected by this policy and will still be unsure

:50:18. > :50:21.about how it affects them. Or their families. I would like to praise our

:50:22. > :50:26.Prime Minister for the manner on which she spoke up for these people

:50:27. > :50:30.in the United Kingdom, she rapidly instructed our foreign and Home

:50:31. > :50:32.Secretary is to make representations to their US counterparts and of

:50:33. > :50:37.course I am relieved that their endeavours have had some success, at

:50:38. > :50:44.least in the British case. But sadly and regretfully the order still

:50:45. > :50:51.remains in force. Mr Speaker, every country undeniably is allowed its

:50:52. > :50:59.own immigration control of its borders. On these issues alone, no

:51:00. > :51:03.nation should interview at -- should interfere. The reason that I think

:51:04. > :51:07.the UK has the obligation to speak out and still being critical friend

:51:08. > :51:12.to the United States of America is the ramifications of this order for

:51:13. > :51:18.the internal stability and security of this country and the rest of the

:51:19. > :51:23.world. This order undermines what Prime Minister said so eloquently in

:51:24. > :51:27.her speech to Republicans in both houses of Congress last week in

:51:28. > :51:32.Philadelphia. The need not only to defeat Daesh on the battlefield but

:51:33. > :51:36.to defeat its ideology and the ideology of those who supported, I

:51:37. > :51:43.know I will have vast amount of support from members of cross this

:51:44. > :51:48.house -- across this house. When I say that this executive order is

:51:49. > :51:52.wholly counter-productive in terms of combating terrorism and the

:51:53. > :51:55.narrative Daesh. But only as a counter productive, it will worsen

:51:56. > :52:01.the situation. Playing into the hands of those who would seem more

:52:02. > :52:08.terrorist atrocities, not less. -- Seymour. Those situated dig

:52:09. > :52:16.sympathetic -- those sympathetic to Daesh full stop the burning of a

:52:17. > :52:21.mosque in Texas and the shooting at a mosque in Canada. They will link

:52:22. > :52:25.it to the rhetoric surrounding the Muslim ban and they will also link

:52:26. > :52:32.to be President's comments revealed to the former mayor of New York Rudy

:52:33. > :52:36.Giuliani on Fox News on Saturday night. He confirmed that the then

:52:37. > :52:41.presidential candidate approached him and after announcing his

:52:42. > :52:47.intention to have a total shutdown of Muslims entering the USA, in an

:52:48. > :52:51.instruction to Giuliani he said put a commission together, show me the

:52:52. > :52:57.right way to do it legally. Over the weekend, pro-Islamic state social

:52:58. > :53:01.media accounts have already begun hailing the order as the President's

:53:02. > :53:10.comment is clear evidence that the USA is seeking to destroy Islam.

:53:11. > :53:15.They have even called at the blessing ban. Articles in English

:53:16. > :53:19.language publications have consistently said that the integer

:53:20. > :53:26.by hand the attacks on the west had been to promote an anti-Islam

:53:27. > :53:38.backlash. This executive order is an exact what they want.

:53:39. > :53:45.Radicalising more impressionable young men and women, increasing

:53:46. > :53:59.home-grown terrorism. This blanket order is going to moderate many, and

:54:00. > :54:03.increase the marginalisation, it would continue to the United

:54:04. > :54:07.Kingdom, increasing threat of radicalisation. This must not be

:54:08. > :54:12.allowed to happen. I was delighted that at a joint press conference,

:54:13. > :54:16.our Prime Minister and President Trump pledged to renew the special

:54:17. > :54:21.relationship between the United Kingdom and United States, the

:54:22. > :54:25.relationship roving beneficial to store many countries. The uniqueness

:54:26. > :54:30.of the relationship has meant that the Prime Minister and the foreign

:54:31. > :54:35.secretaries have been able to convey concerns to the President's

:54:36. > :54:40.Administration with some success. If the strategy of calling for a

:54:41. > :54:46.sensible review of the order as to continue, with the intention of I

:54:47. > :54:49.hope replacing it, measure and evidence -based alternatives then we

:54:50. > :54:59.cannot accept calls of association with the president. Mr Speaker, we

:55:00. > :55:03.cannot possibly have a constructive discussion with the president unless

:55:04. > :55:06.we maintain exceptionally close relationships and dialogue. It is

:55:07. > :55:12.for this reason that I think we should welcome resident Rob deviated

:55:13. > :55:17.kingdom, -- President Trump to the United Kingdom, so that we can

:55:18. > :55:21.personally engage in dialogue, in a hope of change of stance. Mr

:55:22. > :55:29.Speaker, my message to the president would be this, he is a big man,

:55:30. > :55:31.powerful individual and that that he says and does is going to have

:55:32. > :55:39.profound effects across the world. In his last statement he spoke of

:55:40. > :55:43.compassion, and that he is Christian. You should reconsider

:55:44. > :55:48.this, looking at the evidence that it is going to have precisely the

:55:49. > :55:51.opposite consequences to the one he intended to achieve. You should

:55:52. > :56:03.think again, and his policy to impose an indefinite ban on Syrian

:56:04. > :56:09.refugees, in desperate need... The America I know would be a credo of

:56:10. > :56:13.comfort. And lastly, you should always, in everything that he does,

:56:14. > :56:25.remember the values on which his great country was built. Thank you

:56:26. > :56:28.Mr Speaker. Can I thank my right honourable friend, the member for

:56:29. > :56:34.Doncaster, for calling this debate. And also the member for

:56:35. > :56:45.Stratford-upon-Avon, for making such a moving speech. It is such an

:56:46. > :56:59.important issue. Mr Speaker, a brave seven-year-old, Syrian refugee, who

:57:00. > :57:03.has drawn support for tweeting from Aleppo, about reading, and how she

:57:04. > :57:13.wants to be a teacher. Hoping for peace. She and her mother are in

:57:14. > :57:17.Turkey. She continues to be an ambassador for peace, hoping to meet

:57:18. > :57:25.up with friends who have supported her, giving a voice to refugees and

:57:26. > :57:31.she has already made international campaigners. But she has been banned

:57:32. > :57:39.from the United States indefinitely, for being Syrian. Just seven years

:57:40. > :57:46.old. And that, I think, is the destructive impact of this ban. With

:57:47. > :57:52.the flick of a pen, the President has banned not only that

:57:53. > :57:57.seven-year-old but the Syrian family, building savings, and who

:57:58. > :58:06.had got all of the visas correct... Given clearance. Two joint family at

:58:07. > :58:17.Pennsylvania, then turned away at turned away at Philadelphia airport

:58:18. > :58:28.on Saturday morning. Sent away. This is a country that had always

:58:29. > :58:33.welcomed the poor, hungry, hungry masses, and that is what makes this

:58:34. > :58:36.executive order is so tragic. And something that is my right

:58:37. > :58:41.honourable friend for Doncaster said, it is because we cherish the

:58:42. > :58:47.values that the United States has always shared, the values that we

:58:48. > :58:53.have also tried to Champion, that is why it feel so tragic what is

:58:54. > :58:57.happening. The executive order bans refugees, from Syria indefinitely.

:58:58. > :59:01.And from other countries for at least several months. Everyone from

:59:02. > :59:10.several Muslim countries, but ready to exempt those who are not Muslims.

:59:11. > :59:19.I congratulate my rate honourable member for securing the debate. Does

:59:20. > :59:25.she share concern, about the vet who was denied even a transit visa

:59:26. > :59:32.because of the confusion that this policy has caused? Does she welcome

:59:33. > :59:44.the support that Glasgow University has offered? And Glasgow University

:59:45. > :59:49.educated the first black doctor, after his education and Glasgow, he

:59:50. > :59:52.returned to the United States. Does she wonder what opportunities would

:59:53. > :59:57.be allowed to the likes of him if this policy had been in place? The

:59:58. > :00:04.intervention was rather long. I am going to encourage colleagues to

:00:05. > :00:08.contribute for approximately five minutes each. That is not going to

:00:09. > :00:15.be much help if the members who intervene on longer. The right

:00:16. > :00:20.honourable member is correct. So many irrational cases and personal

:00:21. > :00:25.stories that make no sense. It makes no sense for the United States or

:00:26. > :00:30.any of us. I think for the Foreign Secretary to say earlier that this

:00:31. > :00:37.is not a Muslim ban, it is the worst kind of diplomatic excuse. The Trump

:00:38. > :00:42.administration has made clear that this is a Muslim ban. It targets

:00:43. > :00:46.countries but has potential exemptions for those who are not

:00:47. > :00:55.Muslims, that shows the prejudice at the heart of this. It is something

:00:56. > :01:05.that President Trump campaigned for. Good she perhaps comment on what

:01:06. > :01:09.seems to be the case, that those with dual nationality could be

:01:10. > :01:16.admitted? But it cannot be verified if that is going to apply to other

:01:17. > :01:20.UN states? We have a number of unanswered questions about what

:01:21. > :01:25.happens, not just for dual nationals, United Kingdom citizens,

:01:26. > :01:31.but other nationals who may be residents in the United Kingdom.

:01:32. > :01:36.They may want to travel to the United States. And remember for

:01:37. > :01:42.Stratford-upon-Avon described his experience. Everyone would want to

:01:43. > :01:48.stand with him, against any sense of discrimination that he would wrong

:01:49. > :01:54.with these. And I think he would agree, this is not simply about

:01:55. > :02:02.rights of British citizens, it goes so much farther. It is about shared

:02:03. > :02:11.values, that have underpinned generations of cooperation.

:02:12. > :02:22.Democracy, common humanity. We have both built into written and

:02:23. > :02:27.unwritten charters, condemnation so this is deeply immoral. We should

:02:28. > :02:31.not to say so. We have worked together on be afraid international

:02:32. > :02:37.policy on refugees, supporting the Geneva Convention, UN work, to

:02:38. > :02:42.resettle refugees from all over the world. The United States has always

:02:43. > :02:48.played a historical role in resettling. For the United States to

:02:49. > :02:54.pull out... Of the Geneva Convention, international

:02:55. > :02:57.cooperation, it is deeply damaging. It is something again that we should

:02:58. > :03:05.be prepared to speak about. And yes, it also threatens our security. It

:03:06. > :03:10.is immediately counter-productive for Iraqi citizens to the United

:03:11. > :03:15.States may need to be working with, with the Iraqi government, and Armed

:03:16. > :03:19.Forces, against IS. Preventing them from entering the United States. And

:03:20. > :03:28.also for the inevitable Iraqi parliament response, that citizens

:03:29. > :03:37.will be prevented from entering Iraq. We need to defeat terrorist

:03:38. > :03:44.extremist, working together to defeat them. Most people in this

:03:45. > :03:47.country, uphold by the actions of the president of the United States,

:03:48. > :03:53.in relation to the Muslim community. But when we talk about emigration to

:03:54. > :03:59.the United States, only actually 15,000 refugees taken. It is not as

:04:00. > :04:04.though they have been swamped. It is true, as a proportion of the United

:04:05. > :04:09.States population, the number of Syrian refugees may be relatively

:04:10. > :04:12.small. However, as a proportion of those who need support and

:04:13. > :04:18.resettlement, that contribution has been important. It is damaging for

:04:19. > :04:23.international support for refugees that the United States is going to

:04:24. > :04:26.gloat. That is why it is a responsibility on the United Kingdom

:04:27. > :04:34.government to be raising concerns, not just saying a few words under

:04:35. > :04:37.pressure about raising concerns directly with the United States

:04:38. > :04:44.administration. That is the frustration for so many members.

:04:45. > :04:47.Delays in any response in criticism. We were told that the Prime Minister

:04:48. > :04:54.had been told about the ban, before it happened, yet could not speak out

:04:55. > :05:03.against it, even when the Turkish president was prepared to do so.

:05:04. > :05:12.Raising human rights, correctly, with Turkey, but not about what

:05:13. > :05:21.President Trump was doing. When I asked the Foreign Secretary directly

:05:22. > :05:26.has he urged the united states administration to drop this ban, he

:05:27. > :05:36.refused to say. He can we can only conclude that the United Kingdom

:05:37. > :05:42.government is still negotiating, but we need to get them to do their bit

:05:43. > :05:46.again. I call that the minister, when he speaks, will say that we got

:05:47. > :05:53.it wrong. And ministers behind-the-scenes been urging the

:05:54. > :05:58.administration to change policy. The description to do so. That is the

:05:59. > :06:01.point of having the special relationship, friendship, to be able

:06:02. > :06:08.to speak the truth and seeing difficult things when they happen.

:06:09. > :06:13.We do not know... If ministers are not prepared to do so, what does

:06:14. > :06:18.that say to British Muslims? People around the world feeling targeted?

:06:19. > :06:24.What does that say to all of those who President Trump may target next?

:06:25. > :06:27.We do not know. This could only be the start. This is what President

:06:28. > :06:37.Trump has done within just a few days of taking office. Where will he

:06:38. > :06:46.go next? What does it take for us to be prepared to speak out? On that

:06:47. > :06:52.track, would she agree that at the time of this, now is the time to set

:06:53. > :06:57.the ground rules of the relationship? We need to set out,

:06:58. > :07:03.for the rest of the world to see, what is appropriate behaviour and

:07:04. > :07:08.policy? Certainly. I think establishing those principles on

:07:09. > :07:12.which we will work is immensely important. This is why I think the

:07:13. > :07:17.state visit matters. I want the Prime Minister to meet President

:07:18. > :07:24.Trump frequently, influence, persuade and challenge him. I won't

:07:25. > :07:29.President Trump to hear the views of people across Britain, understand

:07:30. > :07:39.the strength of feeling. But I am deeply worried about this not simply

:07:40. > :07:42.being a normal visit, but a ceremonial state visit. Involving

:07:43. > :07:51.the Royal family, who for so long have been what unites the country,

:07:52. > :07:54.and who we try to ensure our kept separate from politics, the divisive

:07:55. > :08:00.arguments that countries will have across the world. Instead, by

:08:01. > :08:03.rushing to this state visit, I am fearful that the government could

:08:04. > :08:08.actually do the opposite of what they want. Instead of this being a

:08:09. > :08:13.celebration of friendship, values, and a sign of increased cooperation,

:08:14. > :08:20.instead it is going to show the huge divisions and concerns that we have

:08:21. > :08:25.about what President Trump is doing and it is going to look like an

:08:26. > :08:26.endorsement of our ban that is so morally wrong. We should be standing

:08:27. > :08:38.against. And I think we should remember that

:08:39. > :08:41.this executive order was signed on Holocaust Memorial Day. If ever

:08:42. > :08:47.there was a day to remember why we need to have the courage to speak

:08:48. > :08:52.out against prejudice and hatred, the Holocaust on more real day is

:08:53. > :08:59.it. The Prime Minister said on Holocaust Memorial Day, her words in

:09:00. > :09:02.the Book of Remembrance, work our commitments to remember the

:09:03. > :09:06.Holocaust is more than words. It is about action, sharing the memory of

:09:07. > :09:18.the Holocaust making sure it lives on and stand up to hatred and

:09:19. > :09:22.prejudice. We must learn from the past and shape a better and brighter

:09:23. > :09:29.future in which through our actions as well as our words we truly never

:09:30. > :09:34.forget. That really is a responsibility on all others, but

:09:35. > :09:40.also on our Prime Minister. A Prime Minister who was told on Holocaust

:09:41. > :09:44.Memorial Day about this ban targeting Muslims, targeting people

:09:45. > :09:52.because of their faith and turning away refugees from genocide and

:09:53. > :09:57.refugees from persecution. Just as we have been advised many times to

:09:58. > :10:00.speak out when we see prejudice and when we see discrimination, there is

:10:01. > :10:07.an obligation on the Prime Minister to speak out now. I like many had

:10:08. > :10:12.feared like it was too hasty decision to offer the President's

:10:13. > :10:16.Trump a state visit when we did not quite know what he would do and

:10:17. > :10:21.quite what direction he would take his country in. Now that we do know,

:10:22. > :10:25.I would really urge the Prime Minister and the Foreign Office to

:10:26. > :10:31.work with the US administration to find an alternative way to halt this

:10:32. > :10:35.just as an -- hold this just as an ordinary visit and to put the

:10:36. > :10:40.pressure on instead for the United States to change their position on

:10:41. > :10:46.this. Exactly because we believe in the words that the United States

:10:47. > :10:53.have proclaimed so proudly on the Statue of Liberty, as part of their

:10:54. > :10:58.constitution, when they talk about giving me your tired, your poor,

:10:59. > :11:02.your huddled masses, yearning to breathe, send me your tempest tossed

:11:03. > :11:06.to me, I lift my lamp aside the Golden door, it is because we want

:11:07. > :11:10.our countries together to limp the lamp beside the golden door that the

:11:11. > :11:17.Prime Minister and the Government should speak out now. May I begin by

:11:18. > :11:22.congratulating the right honourable member of the Doncaster North for

:11:23. > :11:27.securing this timely and important debate? It is with a degree of

:11:28. > :11:33.sadness that we have to have this debate in the first place. America

:11:34. > :11:38.has a proud tradition of being a nation of immigrants, where people

:11:39. > :11:46.fleeing torture and persecution from around the world sought refuge on

:11:47. > :11:49.the shores of the United States. Metaphorically, I suspect that Miss

:11:50. > :11:55.liberty is holding her head in shame at the moment. Because of the events

:11:56. > :12:02.of last Friday with this executive order. An executive order that is

:12:03. > :12:04.shameful and immoral, but as I said in the Independent of the right

:12:05. > :12:10.Honourable member to Doncaster North, should not come as a surprise

:12:11. > :12:17.to any of us because throughout the campaign last year, President Trump

:12:18. > :12:22.made it quite plain that apart from building a wall, he was also going

:12:23. > :12:31.to ban all must limbs. Not security threats, but a religious grouping.

:12:32. > :12:36.It is rather frightening if one looked at the audiences that he was

:12:37. > :12:42.making this pledge to throughout the United States, north, south, east,

:12:43. > :12:47.west, the reaction of that crowd which shows that not only is he

:12:48. > :12:53.honouring his election pledge, but he is playing to a gallery of people

:12:54. > :13:05.which are prejudice in favour of this sort of action. I think that is

:13:06. > :13:09.very sad because it is not going to achieve what I assume he wants it to

:13:10. > :13:18.achieve apart from the narrow party political electoral potential

:13:19. > :13:22.advantage for a core base. At a time when America should be stronger

:13:23. > :13:33.together, and building bridges not walls, this will alienate Arabs in

:13:34. > :13:38.the Arab world as well as radicalise even further those on the radical

:13:39. > :13:46.wing of the Arab world at a time when we should be building bridges

:13:47. > :13:54.to expose the evil of the violence of some of the terrorists to come

:13:55. > :13:59.out of the Middle East and make sure that we can try and work with

:14:00. > :14:08.moderate Arab opinion to end the evil threat, not only to us, but

:14:09. > :14:12.also to moderate Arab opinion in the Middle East. This will radicalise

:14:13. > :14:18.further. It will do the exact opposite of what some people think

:14:19. > :14:23.it will do. It won't make the United States any safer. It will make it a

:14:24. > :14:30.more dangerous place. That is an irony and that is unacceptable. I

:14:31. > :14:34.also take issue with some of the comments I have heard during the

:14:35. > :14:37.course of this debate, but also during the question Time, in that I

:14:38. > :14:43.think it is absolutely right that the British Government continues the

:14:44. > :14:46.work of my right honourable friend the Prime Minister to build bridges

:14:47. > :14:56.with President Trump so that we can through engagement seek to persuade

:14:57. > :15:01.and minimise and reduce the dangers of some of the more outrageous

:15:02. > :15:07.policies that have been espoused. You can only do that by being a

:15:08. > :15:15.candid friend. But you have to be a candid friend. I also believe that

:15:16. > :15:20.very little at all would be achieved by cancelling a state visit where

:15:21. > :15:25.the invitation has always been extended, already been extended, and

:15:26. > :15:35.the invitation accepted. It is part of a process of seeking to engage,

:15:36. > :15:41.encourage and persuade. But there is one area where I think we should

:15:42. > :15:48.look very carefully. Some will remember in either 1982 or 1983,

:15:49. > :15:53.President Ronald Reagan had a state visit to this country, but it was

:15:54. > :16:02.decided I did then Thatcher Government that this should not be

:16:03. > :16:06.an address to the joint parliament. Similarly, and I do remember this is

:16:07. > :16:12.a member of this house, the state visit of George W Bush, where he had

:16:13. > :16:24.to travel solely from Buckingham Palace to number ten and back again

:16:25. > :16:28.apart from a social on in Durham. There was no joint address to

:16:29. > :16:36.Parliament which I think in the circumstances was rather wise. I

:16:37. > :16:42.think we and you Mr Speaker should think very carefully before

:16:43. > :16:47.considering that as part of the programme because it might not go as

:16:48. > :17:03.well as everyone would naturally expect. So I do say in conclusion,

:17:04. > :17:10.this ban is nasty, it's immoral, and it will not succeed. And where I

:17:11. > :17:15.believe my right honourable friend the Foreign Secretary and Deputy

:17:16. > :17:18.first secretary and the right honourable Prime Minister have a key

:17:19. > :17:27.role to play is that it lasts for 90 days. Which in theory means it is

:17:28. > :17:31.part-time and transitory. I am not convinced that that will be the case

:17:32. > :17:38.in reality. And the challenge for this Government is to make sure that

:17:39. > :17:41.it does all it can to influence President Trump to its

:17:42. > :17:46.counter-productive nature, the danger that it will cause to

:17:47. > :17:53.radicalise rather than pacify extremist thinking and to persuade

:17:54. > :18:00.them that there are better ways to pursue a policy of reconciliation

:18:01. > :18:05.than this very blunt weapon. And that way is through communication,

:18:06. > :18:10.negotiation with the reasonable elements in the Middle East and

:18:11. > :18:15.working together to overcome the threat that is such a threat both of

:18:16. > :18:28.this country of the United States and elsewhere around the world. I

:18:29. > :18:32.congratulate the right honourable member of the Doncaster North. I

:18:33. > :18:39.feel rather emotional speaking right now. The Muslim in this Parliament.

:18:40. > :18:46.-- a Muslim in this Parliament. While people talk about refugees, I

:18:47. > :18:54.will talk about Islamophobia. How do we feel as Muslims? The words of the

:18:55. > :19:00.President-elect in America go to the heart of every Muslim in the

:19:01. > :19:10.country. I would start by sharing from this weekend, I shared with

:19:11. > :19:13.people this which is from the publication from Holocaust Memorial

:19:14. > :19:22.Day. The path to genocide. The difference between people are not

:19:23. > :19:27.respected. They had a vision of us and them. This can be carried out

:19:28. > :19:31.and used to stereotype or exclude people who are perceived to be

:19:32. > :19:41.different. Stage two, this is a visual manifestation of hatred. Dues

:19:42. > :19:49.in Nazi Germany will were forced to wear yellow stars. Dehumanisation.

:19:50. > :19:59.Those who are perceived... During the reminder genocide, people were

:20:00. > :20:05.referred to as cockroaches. This weekend, as I meant to be Holocaust

:20:06. > :20:12.memorial service at the Cathedral, a story was shared about how someone

:20:13. > :20:25.fled bouncy Germany. How his father who was a dentist -- Nazi Germany.

:20:26. > :20:31.For me, this is very personal. It is personal because if my daughter

:20:32. > :20:41.decides to where he job, what are her chances of not being per square

:20:42. > :20:44.early Mac persecuted? - hijab. Women being thrown down steps just because

:20:45. > :20:50.of what they were, Three being ripped off. Here is the leader of

:20:51. > :20:59.the free world, so-called, saying it is OK to ban Muslims. Let me be

:21:00. > :21:02.clear, when Donald Trump says he is actually tackling terrorism with his

:21:03. > :21:09.executive order, the fact is the chances of being murdered in the US

:21:10. > :21:16.by terrorist attack being committed by a refugee is one in 3.4 billion a

:21:17. > :21:20.year. There are more... People from these countries who have been banned

:21:21. > :21:28.at Knockhill. There are more killed in America by until the Lee Mack and

:21:29. > :21:37.crime. -- more killed in America by gun crime. People who are entitled

:21:38. > :21:42.to representation by their president, yet they are being

:21:43. > :21:47.singled out and victimised by him. 700,000 asylum seekers and 3.25

:21:48. > :22:00.million refugees that have sought refuge in America since 1975. How do

:22:01. > :22:03.they feel having been contributing now being blamed for everything that

:22:04. > :22:12.is wrong. America, the self-proclaimed land of immigrants

:22:13. > :22:17.rightly so. Not because they are a threat, but because they are now

:22:18. > :22:26.deemed less worthy. My skin colour is a few shades. Shades darker. That

:22:27. > :22:32.does not make me a terrorist, a threat, that does not make the

:22:33. > :22:36.Muslims of the world a threat to Americans of democracy. What does

:22:37. > :22:41.pose a threat is the executive order issued by the leader of the free

:22:42. > :22:45.world who incites hatred. Who demonises Muslims, who sees women

:22:46. > :22:52.and mothers as second-class citizens. Who caught people like the

:22:53. > :22:55.Ku Klux Klan -- caught people. That is what threatens terrorism and our

:22:56. > :23:00.democracy and the world that we live in. That is what threatens the

:23:01. > :23:04.future of our children. Not Muslims, not refugees, Mr Speaker, we do not

:23:05. > :23:09.have read G8 refugees because of their religion. We support them

:23:10. > :23:14.because they are fleeing persecution and war. They do not choose to leave

:23:15. > :23:19.their homeland. They do not choose to leave their surroundings.

:23:20. > :23:24.Bradford, Sanctuary, city of sanctuary. I'm proud to come for a

:23:25. > :23:29.city of sanctuary. Can you imagine what they would feel like if we in

:23:30. > :23:33.this house ordered that we would not be taking any more refugees or

:23:34. > :23:39.Syrian refugees. This flies in the face of what this house stands for.

:23:40. > :23:43.I am a Muslim. And I am from Bradford West. I have a privileged

:23:44. > :23:48.to date are standing here and contributing as many of you have.

:23:49. > :23:53.But what do we really stand for? I am going to finish before I do get

:23:54. > :24:01.rather emotional on the words of Pastor Martin and what he said the

:24:02. > :24:05.infamous words were. They first came for the Socialists, I did not speak

:24:06. > :24:10.out. Because I wasn't a socialist. They came for the trade unionists, I

:24:11. > :24:16.did not speak out because I was not big trade unionist. Then they came

:24:17. > :24:20.for the dues. Then they did not speak out because I was not a due.

:24:21. > :24:27.It came from a but there was no one left is big for me.

:24:28. > :24:37.I do not want to be on the side of history, with another genocide.

:24:38. > :24:48.Where does this slippery slope lead to? Demonising Muslims? This house

:24:49. > :24:53.cannot abdicate its responsibility, standing silent to what is happening

:24:54. > :25:00.with our closest ally. We must engage, stop and reverse this

:25:01. > :25:06.executive order. We cannot stand silent, because to do so would be

:25:07. > :25:12.the greatest shame on our nation. Can I just gently point out, that if

:25:13. > :25:18.we are to accommodate colleagues, an informal limit of approximately five

:25:19. > :25:24.limits. I would ask people not to exceed that. Thank you Mr Speaker.

:25:25. > :25:32.Can I begin by congratulating the rate honourable member for Doncaster

:25:33. > :25:38.for securing this debate. If the emotion that we have already heard,

:25:39. > :25:46.in the British ice of Commons, is anything to go by, what has been the

:25:47. > :25:51.effect of this around the world? Particularly those nations on the

:25:52. > :25:59.list, or that could be on any future list? The right honourable

:26:00. > :26:03.gentleman, chair of the human figures select committee, put

:26:04. > :26:10.forward some of the ludicrous consequences for this ill thought

:26:11. > :26:16.out measure. But I want to compliment my right honourable

:26:17. > :26:17.friend for Stratford-upon-Avon, it has undoubtedly been an emotional

:26:18. > :26:33.speech. But with a calm rationality, he made

:26:34. > :26:40.an immensely powerful case to the American administration. I want to

:26:41. > :26:47.use the rest of my remarks, to say that I did not agree with the

:26:48. > :26:55.critique of the actions of the Prime Minister. I am not sure about the

:26:56. > :26:59.suggestion that she was aware of this, not sure this is

:27:00. > :27:09.substantiated. As far as I'm aware that is not the case. However the

:27:10. > :27:15.Minister can confirm that. We need a strong voice into the White House.

:27:16. > :27:22.And we need to secure that. We have secured that. It may take the

:27:23. > :27:28.prospects of a state visit, to ensure that the Prime Minister was

:27:29. > :27:33.the First Minister to visit the White House, and she was able to

:27:34. > :27:43.secure the imminent European requirement that the president of

:27:44. > :27:47.the united states overturned has reported position on Nato. That is

:27:48. > :27:57.of immense importance to the security of Europe. That then goes

:27:58. > :28:04.to what we are to do about this particularly on executive order. --

:28:05. > :28:10.unwise. The Prime Minister had been addressing the Republican caucus in

:28:11. > :28:21.Philadelphia. She was warmly received. We have already referred

:28:22. > :28:25.to the values of which she spoke. But we have got to remember that the

:28:26. > :28:31.administration is not just the president. One of the failures of

:28:32. > :28:36.this order was to consult properly across the United States. But they

:28:37. > :28:45.have separation of powers. It is not just the president, and the whole of

:28:46. > :28:48.his administration. The effect of the Prime Minister's early visit,

:28:49. > :28:56.she is in a place to ally herself with secretaries of state, of

:28:57. > :29:00.various departments. Become an important ally in the internal

:29:01. > :29:09.administration debate, which ought to have taken place. It plainly had

:29:10. > :29:15.not taken place. But we also have allies, on the hill. And the

:29:16. > :29:24.importance, the success of her speech in Philadelphia, it means

:29:25. > :29:30.that the position of such Senators, McCain, Graham, who made an

:29:31. > :29:35.outstanding statement. They said ultimately we feel this will become

:29:36. > :29:38.a self-inflicted wound, in the fight against terrorism, at this moment

:29:39. > :29:44.American troops are fighting side-by-side with Iraqi troops, to

:29:45. > :29:51.defeat Isil, but this ban is a ratty pilots from coming to American

:29:52. > :29:59.bases. The most important allies are the mast majority of Muslims, and

:30:00. > :30:02.this executive order sends a signal, intended or not, that America does

:30:03. > :30:08.not want Muslims coming to the country. That is why we feel this

:30:09. > :30:14.executive order may do more to help terrorist recruitment, rather than

:30:15. > :30:17.help security. These were arguments made by my honourable friend for

:30:18. > :30:21.Stratford-upon-Avon, in that remarkable speech. It is not just

:30:22. > :30:27.Congress that we have allies. The legal system of the United States is

:30:28. > :30:37.cracking into action. Judges already ruling against the legality of this

:30:38. > :30:41.executive order. And I would suggest strongly, to honourable member 's in

:30:42. > :30:47.the house, as well as to the wider public... We need to be effective in

:30:48. > :30:52.advancing the interests of the United Kingdom and the values of the

:30:53. > :31:00.liberal democracy that both they are and we are. And those values of the

:31:01. > :31:02.rule of law, at the United States and the separation of powers,

:31:03. > :31:07.already beginning to make themselves felt. I think the Prime Minister

:31:08. > :31:12.should be congratulated for the fact that she is going to be listened to

:31:13. > :31:17.by President Trump, because of the action that she has taken. As well

:31:18. > :31:19.as the fact that the Foreign Secretary and Home Secretary have

:31:20. > :31:26.already been listened to. Much more work to do, to get this order

:31:27. > :31:32.rescinded and recast in an intelligent and sensible way,

:31:33. > :31:35.advertising the interests of both ourselves and the United States of

:31:36. > :31:40.America. We need that relationship, to enable that to happen. Can I

:31:41. > :31:44.begin by congratulating my right honourable friend for securing this

:31:45. > :31:50.debate, putting the case so eloquently. And I want to

:31:51. > :31:55.congratulate the honourable member for Stratford-upon-Avon, for

:31:56. > :32:02.bringing home so movingly the pain this has caused to so many. My

:32:03. > :32:07.mother was a proud American, from Ohio, and many have made that

:32:08. > :32:11.journey across the ocean to seek a better life. Finding safety and

:32:12. > :32:15.opportunity in equal measure. Perhaps that explains why those of

:32:16. > :32:20.us who have a family connection with the United States of America this

:32:21. > :32:25.weekend field, I confess, a sense of shame and rising anger. That was as

:32:26. > :32:29.events unfolded. We have seen that passion expressed in the debate

:32:30. > :32:36.today. That tells us something about the nature of the decision that will

:32:37. > :32:40.be connected to. I think it is precisely because, Mr Speaker, we

:32:41. > :32:49.have such respect for the United States of America we yearn that for

:32:50. > :32:59.something better, much, much better than this. And why we have a

:33:00. > :33:03.responsibility to speak out. It should be noted that Donald Trump

:33:04. > :33:13.was Mike mother was a migrant herself. Not just from Scotland, but

:33:14. > :33:18.my constituency from Scotland. And his first cousin's wife was my

:33:19. > :33:25.teacher! As I hear brilliant, if you complete shame, and it is

:33:26. > :33:34.disgraceful and shameful. I hope Donald Trump recasts and rescinds. I

:33:35. > :33:38.agree with honourable gentleman. However much the Foreign Secretary

:33:39. > :33:49.may seek to argue that this is not a ban on Muslims, our fellow Muslim

:33:50. > :33:55.citizens and constituents... My right honourable friend, the member

:33:56. > :33:59.for Bradford, we know that it is. He said that is what he wanted to do,

:34:00. > :34:04.during the course of his election campaign. The fact is, people

:34:05. > :34:12.listened to that. They see this order... They know that he is

:34:13. > :34:17.talking about them. Imagine the conversations and families, when

:34:18. > :34:24.children say to parents, what is it about us? Why does that country not

:34:25. > :34:30.want us? What message does that send to the next generation? It is

:34:31. > :34:34.offensive, divisive, misguided. Secondly, I agree absolutely with

:34:35. > :34:41.the point that the rate honourable member made, that this is not going

:34:42. > :34:47.to help us in the fight against Isis. It is going to act as a

:34:48. > :34:57.recruiting Sergeant. Over security is too important to be damaged in

:34:58. > :35:09.this way. Especially when populism triumphs reason as has happened. The

:35:10. > :35:12.best defence against Isis, to act ever more strongly to values that

:35:13. > :35:18.make us proud to be British. And the final point, about the international

:35:19. > :35:21.rules based system. Why did we create these institutions out the

:35:22. > :35:25.Second World War, including the United Nations? We knew that out of

:35:26. > :35:30.the actions of that terrible conflict, we needed to work

:35:31. > :35:38.together, to uphold certain principles, enabling humanity to

:35:39. > :35:43.thrive. And the truth about article three of the refugee Convention, it

:35:44. > :35:50.says contracting states will apply, without discrimination as to race,

:35:51. > :36:05.religion, country of origin. And this order offence against article

:36:06. > :36:10.three. Mr Speaker, we have other worries, Paris climate agreements,

:36:11. > :36:13.Iran, these are expressions of the rules -based system. I would

:36:14. > :36:17.conclude by saying this, if we are going to deal with the challenges

:36:18. > :36:24.that we face, as the century unfolds, we must seek and strive to

:36:25. > :36:33.bring people together. Not drive them apart. That, after all, is the

:36:34. > :36:41.very principle on which they related states of America, that we respect

:36:42. > :36:45.so much, was founded. It is really difficult to follow the excellent

:36:46. > :36:51.and wise words of the honourable gentleman, representing Leeds. I

:36:52. > :36:57.want to add my congratulations to the members for Doncaster North, and

:36:58. > :37:01.my other friend, the honourable gentleman representing

:37:02. > :37:06.Stratford-upon-Avon. Mr Speaker, I agree with everything that has been

:37:07. > :37:09.said. I do not intend to repeat any of it. One of the dangerous when we

:37:10. > :37:15.have the sort of debates, truthfully, weedy, like an echo

:37:16. > :37:26.chamber. We fall over each other, agreeing and exposing if I may

:37:27. > :37:32.say... A small liberal value, generating in condemnation. Many of

:37:33. > :37:35.ours have so eloquently expressed the reasons. But I just wanted to

:37:36. > :37:44.add some comments, taking it to this area. Because words of Sir Mo Farah,

:37:45. > :37:51.the he said this executive order had been based on prejudice and

:37:52. > :37:55.ignorance of Donald Trump. Many of us from that great niece and no

:37:56. > :38:01.doubt unfortunately support what he has done. We must be honest that in

:38:02. > :38:05.this country, we suffer from much of that prejudice and ignorance. And

:38:06. > :38:09.although it is all well and good that we talk in the way that we do,

:38:10. > :38:14.we have got to make sure that we face up to the Galaxy in our own

:38:15. > :38:23.country that unfortunately too many share some of the views people we

:38:24. > :38:26.have seen, mirrored. I would love to see, Mr Speaker, that in my own

:38:27. > :38:33.constituency such things are fanciful. We have welcomed four

:38:34. > :38:38.Syrian refugee families. I am proud of that. I am conservative but that

:38:39. > :38:42.does not matter. Everybody on my Tencel has come together to give

:38:43. > :38:47.those families the generous welcome which we would expect. I think it is

:38:48. > :38:58.also worth remembering... And I do not know the situation in America,

:38:59. > :39:01.the tough wire put up... I praise my government for the generosity and

:39:02. > :39:07.the work that we have done, to get so many refugee families into this

:39:08. > :39:11.country, but you have two get them to pass that test. Coming from the

:39:12. > :39:18.most vulnerable of refugees. Suffered sexual abuse, suffered

:39:19. > :39:22.torture. And it has to be said, no pleasure to see this, as someone who

:39:23. > :39:28.has spent almost the entirety of my life in Nottinghamshire, one of

:39:29. > :39:29.those families did not come to this country, my constituency, they

:39:30. > :39:39.started at another town. They had to leave it such was the

:39:40. > :39:43.level of prejudice, such was the lack of welcome, such was the

:39:44. > :39:48.blatant hostility to them. I'm proud that my constituency has taken them

:39:49. > :39:53.in. I'm equally proud that we have a Deputy mayor who happened to be a

:39:54. > :39:58.Muslim. That is the way I'd always thought it was. Somebody happen to

:39:59. > :40:04.be a Muslim, a jew, happen to have brown skin, happen to be gay or

:40:05. > :40:13.straight. When we are in our summer days, student politicians in the

:40:14. > :40:19.70s. Ira member once seeing -- I remember once seeing a documentary

:40:20. > :40:31.which shocked me to my boots. A black woman was explaining what it

:40:32. > :40:44.felt like to see a sign that said no dogs, no Irish, no blacks. It was

:40:45. > :40:49.absurd and shocking that that was happening. We have had great

:40:50. > :40:52.progress as a society from my days as a student. The attitude that

:40:53. > :40:58.nobody particularly cares what your colour, races. All those wonderful

:40:59. > :41:02.things. It had really began to flourish in our country. Something

:41:03. > :41:07.has happened. It is not just in America. It has happened in our

:41:08. > :41:13.country, too. That spirit of tolerance, I greatly fear into many

:41:14. > :41:16.has gone away. Seeds which I had thought had either lay dormant or

:41:17. > :41:22.actually been destroyed by the power of tolerance, whether it was in the

:41:23. > :41:27.EU referendum campaign, whether it was in the presidential campaign,

:41:28. > :41:30.they have been germinated, they have grown and if we're not careful, they

:41:31. > :41:36.are in danger of flourishing. It was absolutely right as my right

:41:37. > :41:41.honourable friend from Chelmsford said, there was a real role from our

:41:42. > :41:46.Government to challenge the American president and to take him on on his

:41:47. > :41:51.views and to seek to change them. There is also another duty that each

:41:52. > :41:56.and everyone of us in this place must have as well. To stop just

:41:57. > :42:00.agreeing with each other but to take those messages out into our

:42:01. > :42:05.constituencies, to build the campaigns of tolerance, peace, of

:42:06. > :42:10.understanding, of abolishing and getting rid of stereotypes and doing

:42:11. > :42:13.the hard job that now lies ahead of us to make sure that that absolutely

:42:14. > :42:22.fundamental British value of tolerance once again dominates all

:42:23. > :42:27.the way across our society. If we don't, we are in danger of finding

:42:28. > :42:31.that too many people in our own nation support this abominable

:42:32. > :42:36.executive direction from this president and it is our job to make

:42:37. > :42:46.sure that home and abroad, we make sure tolerance is always the

:42:47. > :42:51.overriding principle. Thank you. I want to thank those members and

:42:52. > :42:55.right honourable members who secured this debate. It was a pleasure to

:42:56. > :42:59.follow the honourable member from Brock so. I have followed her on

:43:00. > :43:06.other debates, but nothing as important as this. As a child a long

:43:07. > :43:10.time ago I listened with little understanding to my parents when

:43:11. > :43:15.they talked about history. As an adult I listened in shock to my

:43:16. > :43:19.father as he told me that he had helped liberate a concentration

:43:20. > :43:25.camp. He said he told me this only once and never spoke of it again. In

:43:26. > :43:31.spite of the Foreign Secretary's outrage at repetition of the

:43:32. > :43:37.Holocaust, I feel absolutely no shame in linking my family to what

:43:38. > :43:42.happened then and you what is happening now -- and to what is

:43:43. > :43:46.happening now. My grandchildren will wonder how I feel after this

:43:47. > :43:50.executive order was signed. The effect it had on people in Scotland,

:43:51. > :43:59.United Kingdom and across the world. I will be to record in Hansard that

:44:00. > :44:06.I feel fearful, upset, distressed and very, very angry. My

:44:07. > :44:13.condemnation of the vile act will matter little in the great scheme of

:44:14. > :44:17.things. But I expected the UK Government to utterly condemn the UK

:44:18. > :44:22.Government, not to tell me as the first secretary has, that he has

:44:23. > :44:27.mitigated it as far as UK passport holders is concerned. That is his

:44:28. > :44:32.duty. If this Government thinks that trade with the US matters more than

:44:33. > :44:36.the human rights of refugees and world citizens, then I feel even

:44:37. > :44:41.more affronted. If this Government wants to be a world leader, it

:44:42. > :44:50.should show leadership and it should do it now. I had the great privilege

:44:51. > :44:56.of helping a doctor, a Syrian refugee resident in Lebanon into my

:44:57. > :45:03.constituency of Motherwell and Wishaw. He spoke and worked with

:45:04. > :45:09.local GPs to help prepare them for more Syrian refugees who will arrive

:45:10. > :45:13.shortly. If a little place like Motherwell and Wishaw can take in

:45:14. > :45:22.Syrian refugees, then what on earth are the United States doing? With

:45:23. > :45:29.this act. In the meantime, will the Minister agree with the former head

:45:30. > :45:37.of the CIA that this act will have national security implications for

:45:38. > :45:42.the UK and the wider world. It is important that we take this into

:45:43. > :45:47.consideration. I am not in agreement that the state visit should take

:45:48. > :45:53.place and certainly not in agreement that president Trump should be

:45:54. > :45:58.afforded the honour of addressing both Houses of Parliament. Scotland

:45:59. > :46:04.and the US have a deep friendship based on shared values and we must

:46:05. > :46:09.all speak up for these values, including tolerance, equality and

:46:10. > :46:16.providing for those in need. The Prime Minister must be clear on her

:46:17. > :46:21.obligations, both as a global actor and under international law. It is

:46:22. > :46:31.important that we take this forward. I want to only pick two of the

:46:32. > :46:36.memorable speakers, I was deeply moved by what the Honourable Speaker

:46:37. > :46:42.of Stratford-upon-Avon said and also what the honourable member of

:46:43. > :46:47.Bradford West said in this debate. This in no way mitigate what has

:46:48. > :46:53.been said by other people. I think people are correct that we do become

:46:54. > :46:59.an echo chamber, but it is important that the word goes out from here and

:47:00. > :47:04.that people take this to heart and go out and increased tolerance and

:47:05. > :47:13.understanding right across all of our constituencies. May I also join

:47:14. > :47:17.other honourable colleagues who have congratulated the right honourable

:47:18. > :47:19.member for Don Carson north and my right honourable member from

:47:20. > :47:26.Stratford-upon-Avon to securing this. It is also a pleasure to

:47:27. > :47:29.follow the Honourable Lady from Motherwell and Wishaw. It is

:47:30. > :47:34.important to note that it is entirely for the US Government to

:47:35. > :47:38.determine their immigration policy. During the presidential election

:47:39. > :47:41.campaign, Donald Trump, now president Trump, repeatedly stated

:47:42. > :47:45.that he would introduce this measure. In fact, it was a measure

:47:46. > :47:49.far further than what he is actually in acting. We should be under no

:47:50. > :47:55.illusion that it is both arguably sadly within his power and his

:47:56. > :47:58.mandate to follow this through. As this executive order affected

:47:59. > :48:03.British citizens, it is rightfully Foreign Secretary to intervene and I

:48:04. > :48:09.was pleased to see him confirm after speaking to his US counterparts that

:48:10. > :48:14.UK and you'll national is our unaffected. -- dual nationals. I

:48:15. > :48:20.think it is a misguided policy. This simple fact is that terrorist

:48:21. > :48:26.attacks in the US have been carried out not by immigrants or refugees,

:48:27. > :48:29.but by radicalised nationals. It is important to note that nine people

:48:30. > :48:41.have been killed in gear on average by Islamic extremists since 9/11.

:48:42. > :48:45.Converse Lee, 12,843 are killed by guns every year. Some would argue,

:48:46. > :48:49.there are priorities in the wrong order. Not one refugee from

:48:50. > :48:53.countries included in the President's travel ban have killed

:48:54. > :48:59.anyone in terrorist attacks on US soil. Further, the decision to ban

:49:00. > :49:06.refugees from war zones such as Syria and Yemen in my view will only

:49:07. > :49:19.full serve to force women men and honourable children into death. I

:49:20. > :49:26.have two be clear, the steps announced will not keep America

:49:27. > :49:29.safe. It will simply serve to divide communities and give radical

:49:30. > :49:33.extremists yet another propaganda tool in which to turn vulnerable

:49:34. > :49:40.citizens against the United States. This will do nothing more than

:49:41. > :49:43.create more in the words of President bad dudes. Whilst this is

:49:44. > :49:48.a decision for the President of the United States, I would strongly urge

:49:49. > :49:53.that this executive order is revoked and that the Government makes the

:49:54. > :49:58.strongest representation to this effect. Mr Speaker, I want to raise

:49:59. > :50:04.one final point. We should of course speak out. I very much welcome this

:50:05. > :50:13.emergency debate. If we are to speak with authority and debility, then we

:50:14. > :50:22.must be consistent. As I raised with different secretary this afternoon,

:50:23. > :50:31.there are 16 which forbid -- 16 countries. Which forbid entrants for

:50:32. > :50:35.some people. All stop admission from Israeli passport holders. If we

:50:36. > :50:40.genuinely believe that banning nations on the basis of their

:50:41. > :50:43.nationality, and I do believe that, then let us condemn these policies

:50:44. > :50:52.wherever they raise their ugly heads. Thank you. That was an

:50:53. > :50:57.excellent contribution and I want to also praised the member for Don

:50:58. > :51:06.Carson north and the member for Stratford, they do their families

:51:07. > :51:09.very proud. I know the member for Stratford spoke on behalf of all of

:51:10. > :51:14.those in our country who have ever travelled aboard and felt the

:51:15. > :51:17.sinking feeling as they get to the immigration desk. It is Fadli elite

:51:18. > :51:26.Mac sadly not something that I feel we talk rematch about. There are

:51:27. > :51:29.many people who the member for Stratford will never meet but will

:51:30. > :51:44.feel comforted by what he said tonight. I would say two things. --

:51:45. > :51:52.three things. -- a few things. The poignancy and horror of what we have

:51:53. > :51:58.witnessed over the weekend. The member for Motherwell and Wishaw

:51:59. > :52:02.earlier in the debate said that her contribution would matter very

:52:03. > :52:08.little. I profoundly disagree because what I have observed over

:52:09. > :52:12.this weekend is an outpouring of distress and display that has come

:52:13. > :52:18.from all quarters. Of course, British Muslims will feel this most

:52:19. > :52:23.keenly, of course they will. But all of this in this country, whatever

:52:24. > :52:30.our background, whatever our faith, those of us who have no faith, we

:52:31. > :52:33.all stand with them. Whether it is British Iraqis, British Syrians from

:52:34. > :52:35.a British Somalian is, British people who are descendants from

:52:36. > :52:46.those countries who are affected. I say this, Mr Speaker. We are Brits.

:52:47. > :52:54.All equal and we will not be divided on the basis of our faith or where

:52:55. > :52:59.ever we came from. My colleague, the member for Tower Hamlets for Bethnal

:53:00. > :53:04.Green and Bow, also I felt spoke very movingly earlier and if anybody

:53:05. > :53:08.is questioning or wondering or thinking about whether these events

:53:09. > :53:12.have an effect on Muslims in this country, I would encourage them to

:53:13. > :53:18.listen to the tone of this debate. It is incumbent upon all of us,

:53:19. > :53:23.Muslim or not, to stand shoulder to shoulder and in solidarity. If I

:53:24. > :53:30.may, in the best traditions of my party, and show them our support.

:53:31. > :53:38.Particularly this is true, in relation to those of us who have

:53:39. > :53:46.been working in relation to Syria recently. When we heard about these

:53:47. > :53:50.events, my initial thought was for the brave and brilliant people that

:53:51. > :53:56.I have had the honour to come to know as part of my campaign to help

:53:57. > :54:02.Many of them, Syrian national Seward Many of them, Syrian national Seward

:54:03. > :54:12.have good cause to want to travel to the United States. Where does this

:54:13. > :54:17.order leave them? I would like to ask the Minister, because I do not

:54:18. > :54:21.think the Foreign Secretary gave a substantial response to my point,

:54:22. > :54:26.what representations of the Foreign Office been making to Americans

:54:27. > :54:33.about the need for those with humanitarian causes to be allowed

:54:34. > :54:40.access to America? Syrian national, Iraqi, United States nationals who

:54:41. > :54:49.no doubt will face equal trouble accessing places in Iraq and Syria?

:54:50. > :54:58.I think we have to ask ourselves a simple question. Does this executive

:54:59. > :55:01.order help or hinder peace and security efforts in that troubled

:55:02. > :55:05.region? I think the answer is clear and obvious, staring us in the face.

:55:06. > :55:15.This is a total disaster for peace and security in that region. For

:55:16. > :55:24.those commentators, and I understand some have gone on the radio, to say

:55:25. > :55:28.this is just loonie lefties, telling us that Donald Trump is perfectly

:55:29. > :55:33.weighted, I would say this is an issue that is going to affect the

:55:34. > :55:41.security of each and everyone of us. It cannot stand. Finally, one

:55:42. > :55:48.populism. It has been very difficult over the past year and while I

:55:49. > :55:51.always believe that we should look to the future, thinking about what

:55:52. > :55:58.values tell us about how to approach the modern word for what it is, not

:55:59. > :56:06.what it once was... Unfortunately I feel that what we are witnessing, it

:56:07. > :56:14.is an old story. At times of economic trouble, always forces in

:56:15. > :56:21.our world, the far right, hard right, who want to turn up, and till

:56:22. > :56:27.ordinary hard-working people that your wage not rising... It is not

:56:28. > :56:31.not the fault of the economic system, it is people just like you,

:56:32. > :56:39.but they happen to be Polish. Muslim. Just like you, but happen to

:56:40. > :56:45.be from another part of the world. That tendency, the susceptibility of

:56:46. > :56:49.people to want to believe an easy story when the truth is more

:56:50. > :57:04.complicated, it is always exploited by the perseveres, -- purveyors of

:57:05. > :57:12.people. We are all fundamentally, people. We are all fundamentally,

:57:13. > :57:15.underneath all of it, the scene. We need to walk together, we're

:57:16. > :57:20.together, have hospitals when we are sick. It does not matter where you

:57:21. > :57:26.come from. We need the same things. come from. We need the same things.

:57:27. > :57:33.And no amount of populist rhetoric, designed to divide us can change

:57:34. > :57:39.that. Many thanks Mr Speaker. I would like to thank the honourable

:57:40. > :57:42.member for Doncaster North, and Stratford-upon-Avon, for taking this

:57:43. > :57:48.emergency debate to the house. It is also a pleasure to follow the

:57:49. > :57:50.honourable lady. We have to stand tall for principles of inclusion and

:57:51. > :58:11.quality. refer the house to my register of

:58:12. > :58:15.interest. In a prior life I was accredited to undertake violence

:58:16. > :58:21.risk assessments, when considering lifelong restriction. As part of

:58:22. > :58:26.this rule, I was also trained to undertake violent extremist risk

:58:27. > :58:28.assessments. These risk assessments involved structured clinical

:58:29. > :58:36.judgments, and it is grounded in research and evidence based. Based

:58:37. > :58:40.on risk factors. Predicting violence and extremist violence. It has also

:58:41. > :58:44.been utilised in the United States and Northern Ireland, and some

:58:45. > :58:52.security forces have been trained in application. The measure of an

:58:53. > :58:55.infinite risk to the security of our country requires assessment of

:58:56. > :59:05.intelligence information about that individual's belief, contact with

:59:06. > :59:11.terrorist organisations, behaviour, activity, and access to arms. Other

:59:12. > :59:16.factors. Qualifying people to determine who possesses true risk,

:59:17. > :59:21.intelligence as to forces. They have access to this information. They can

:59:22. > :59:25.analyse that formerly. As they have been doing, over many years.

:59:26. > :59:39.Highlighting individual risk indicators. A blanket ban on

:59:40. > :59:43.individuals, based on Jura -- characteristics is misguided. It

:59:44. > :59:49.will unfortunately be unlikely to reduce risk. And it could actually

:59:50. > :59:50.aggravate extremist beliefs and attitudes, feelings of persecution

:59:51. > :59:57.and marginalisation, of individuals and marginalisation, of individuals

:59:58. > :00:02.who may even already be in the United States, able to pause

:00:03. > :00:08.security risks. It could strengthen extremist views. It is radicalised

:00:09. > :00:14.groups, not a countrywide phenomenon that we are dealing with. This order

:00:15. > :00:17.is only going to strengthen feelings against the United States and

:00:18. > :00:24.against the West. If we do not condemn this, it will read content.

:00:25. > :00:30.In conclusion, I believe this is misguided policy. It lacks true

:00:31. > :00:36.evidence, it is not a rational response and it could increase risk

:00:37. > :00:41.and be counter-productive. It does not protect the United States or the

:00:42. > :00:46.West and we have to do all that we can to voice concerns at this policy

:00:47. > :00:53.and its lack of humanity and validity. We can call instead for

:00:54. > :00:59.evidence -based security approach going forward in the United States.

:01:00. > :01:06.Those who respect human dignity across the world. Thank you Mr

:01:07. > :01:15.Speaker. Can I congratulate the member for Comcast and Stratford --

:01:16. > :01:18.Doncaster and Stratford. It is a reason why thousands of people are

:01:19. > :01:23.taking to the streets of Britain tonight to express concerns about

:01:24. > :01:29.this band. About what it says about the world, asking what we are going

:01:30. > :01:40.to do about it. I do not disagree with a word. About challenging the

:01:41. > :01:47.readability of the beats. Let me bring some discord. I feel strongly,

:01:48. > :01:54.the central question facing us is what will people in positions of

:01:55. > :01:58.power do? We have seen what the leader of the free world, in his

:01:59. > :02:03.first week in office, has chosen to do. We have got to ask ourselves as

:02:04. > :02:08.elected representatives in the United Kingdom what we can do in

:02:09. > :02:11.return. I do not disagree about respecting the fact that this man is

:02:12. > :02:17.an elected politician, but just because he won an election does not

:02:18. > :02:22.absolve him of responsibility for the consequences of his behaviour,

:02:23. > :02:32.and neither us for not acting. I wanted the four quick points. We

:02:33. > :02:36.have to speak up. Not just because of the incredibly eloquent speech,

:02:37. > :02:42.about my friend from Bradford, but because of what it says about us our

:02:43. > :02:54.society. When we are as indifferent to hatred and intolerance, we are

:02:55. > :02:57.participants. This is about hatred. A ban on people on the base of

:02:58. > :03:02.religion, nationality. No form could be acceptable. No form of modifying

:03:03. > :03:07.it. It is simply hatred. We have to be clearer about that. Because not

:03:08. > :03:13.to be, that says that we could have circumstances, that we could seek to

:03:14. > :03:20.ban people. It says that we would do the same. A loving there to be

:03:21. > :03:25.different classes of citizens, in communities, our world. We have to

:03:26. > :03:29.be clear, no acceptable form of this, or maybe need to challenge it.

:03:30. > :03:35.How do we do that? That is the question. This is when I disagree

:03:36. > :03:42.with colleagues from the government benches. Absolutely, we have to

:03:43. > :03:51.engage and speak up. That is I read with despair, why that the Prime

:03:52. > :03:54.Minister had the opportunity to look the president in the eyes, a private

:03:55. > :03:58.meeting, say this is not right. It is going to be counter-productive

:03:59. > :04:02.and divide the nation. She has not done that. That opportunity was on

:04:03. > :04:08.the table and she has not taken that. I think that damages all of us

:04:09. > :04:11.in the United Kingdom, defending the government. The Minister may

:04:12. > :04:17.disagree with me but I feel strongly. I felt ashamed. If the

:04:18. > :04:21.minister wants to intervene, that actually the Prime Minister raised

:04:22. > :04:24.this with the president of the native state, I will happily take in

:04:25. > :04:30.intervention. If he cannot, then what I have said stands. On Saturday

:04:31. > :04:35.night, when the Home Office, Foreign Office and Number ten refused to

:04:36. > :04:43.give a statement. It was damning on us as a nation. The world was

:04:44. > :04:51.calling out for leadership. Incredibly powerful speech. This was

:04:52. > :04:57.why it was so abhorrent to all of us, just days after the Holocaust

:04:58. > :05:00.Memorial, and we see prejudice and teachers. We are going to stand up

:05:01. > :05:06.in the face of this. The Prime Minister failed to do so. It was a

:05:07. > :05:12.deep shame for the country. I could not agree more. One of the messages

:05:13. > :05:17.I want to send, is that we do not recognise that as the leadership we

:05:18. > :05:20.want. Something has to change, even if the Prime Minister did not know

:05:21. > :05:27.about that ban before walking into the room. Something has changed. But

:05:28. > :05:33.what cannot change, saying it is simply a matter for states. If we

:05:34. > :05:40.can be sure that it is not going to affect us, we cannot worry

:05:41. > :05:45.elsewhere? That is not good enough. That is not the British way. The

:05:46. > :05:50.question, how best to express that and engage? You have got our world

:05:51. > :05:55.of difference, debating directly with Donald Trump about whether is

:05:56. > :05:59.he has done the correct thing, and then rolling out the correct carpet

:06:00. > :06:08.and getting him the same treatment that we gave Nelson Mandela, and

:06:09. > :06:12.indeed laid the Queen Mother. It is different, debating with somebody,

:06:13. > :06:17.and indulging them. For many of us, it looks like indulging and

:06:18. > :06:22.endorsing President Trump. If nothing changes, now that we know

:06:23. > :06:26.about the span, and his intention, the deliberate actions to target

:06:27. > :06:33.Muslims, if nothing changes then that says more about us as a nation,

:06:34. > :06:38.than it does about him. The question for all of us, whether we use the

:06:39. > :06:44.power we have as elected representatives, to send that

:06:45. > :06:47.message. Join citizens not just on the streets this evening, signing

:06:48. > :06:55.petitions, but who have said what has become of us as a world? People

:06:56. > :07:01.who recognise that diversity is a stength. Recognise the words of a

:07:02. > :07:06.former American president, Roosevelt that a nation does not give to the

:07:07. > :07:10.cruel to be tough. I am proud of my country, proud to be a patriot, I

:07:11. > :07:15.respect the rights of other countries but I do not have to be

:07:16. > :07:18.silent when things go wrong. The silence from the government, the

:07:19. > :07:22.quibbling and laziness with which people have been approaching this,

:07:23. > :07:27.the tardiness of the response does not speak to the best principles of

:07:28. > :07:31.being British. I thank the honourable lady for giving way. Does

:07:32. > :07:34.she not believe that it is very good for British politics that we have a

:07:35. > :07:39.Prime Minister who thinks before she speaks? In contrast to spewing

:07:40. > :07:48.anything on Twitter when it comes to her mind? As somebody who often goes

:07:49. > :07:52.on Twitter, I do not know if that was a reference, some things should

:07:53. > :07:57.not take too much thought. Sometimes, something is just wrong.

:07:58. > :08:02.And unique to see that it is wrong. You do not judge the angles. Of

:08:03. > :08:06.course we need a treaty with America but we should not be treating values

:08:07. > :08:13.in order to secure that. In deference to this kind of cruelty

:08:14. > :08:16.damages not just our nation, Venetian's standing, but the world.

:08:17. > :08:20.It is harder to stand with people and amenities tonight, fearful of

:08:21. > :08:25.this division. It is harder to abdicate those values, taking on

:08:26. > :08:32.other countries that also ban people. It is harder to do our job.

:08:33. > :08:33.We are people in positions of power, people are saying this is not the

:08:34. > :08:42.world that they want. We have to act There are I think four, five, six,

:08:43. > :08:46.nine people wishing to speak. Can I just explain to the house at the

:08:47. > :08:53.front bench speakers should each have raised opportunity to speech

:08:54. > :08:59.for ten minutes. They must be concluded by 859. The right

:09:00. > :09:05.honourable member for Doncaster North has that chance. If

:09:06. > :09:10.everybody's been for three or four minutes we are fine. We speak longer

:09:11. > :09:18.than that, we ask stopping other people from speaking. We should seek

:09:19. > :09:27.to engage with our American friends. He justified this with no sense of

:09:28. > :09:28.irony with engaging with such powers as the way to influence them. This

:09:29. > :09:36.is a man who led with great gusto is a man who led with great gusto

:09:37. > :09:44.they campaign to get us to turn our backs with the European Union. This

:09:45. > :09:52.is an echo chamber, as we heard earlier. His liberty is easy, it is

:09:53. > :09:56.amoral, it risking nothing. But our passivity will weigh heavily on many

:09:57. > :10:00.others. It weighs heavily on people who are trapped. Those who cannot

:10:01. > :10:05.see their families, who are stranded, who are fleeing with

:10:06. > :10:07.nowhere to go. This is not even just about the immediate physical

:10:08. > :10:13.ramifications of this policy. The atmosphere of hate, anger, that this

:10:14. > :10:18.fear stoked the flames of radicalism. It is not a policy that

:10:19. > :10:24.builds peace or security. In a relationship that needs holding

:10:25. > :10:27.onto. A relationship where one party stands by and watches with automata

:10:28. > :10:36.and levels of this passion as another rex calamitous harm is not a

:10:37. > :10:40.healthy, never mind a healthy one. This Government's brochure that the

:10:41. > :10:43.Draconian policy is perhaps a product of its own making. The only

:10:44. > :10:49.way you are going to make the deal you want is if you are coming from a

:10:50. > :10:55.place of strength. Not my words, but the words of the new leader of the

:10:56. > :10:59.free world. Box into a corner by the Government's self-imposed Brexit

:11:00. > :11:05.boundaries, we are forced to creep cap in hand to people whose values

:11:06. > :11:11.now run directly counter to those in this house. I will therefore not be

:11:12. > :11:21.compelled and duty to kowtow by tramp if he is invited to address

:11:22. > :11:23.us. -- tramp. I hope the Prime Minister will listen to all the

:11:24. > :11:28.listen and hear that perhaps this listen and hear that perhaps this

:11:29. > :11:34.should be treated in a different way. Also I think what struck me as

:11:35. > :11:38.well as we come to the close of the discussion that this chamber is now

:11:39. > :11:42.dominated for once by women. I think that is an interesting point I would

:11:43. > :11:47.like to finish with. I would like to finish with a question. How many of

:11:48. > :11:54.their great British values can this Government sacrifice in this quest

:11:55. > :11:58.in a new special relationship? A splendid example to be followed. It

:11:59. > :12:04.is not for me to comment on the content of the speech, but the

:12:05. > :12:10.length was most at rumble. I would like to -- most at rumble. There are

:12:11. > :12:17.an excellent speeches. I will keep it short. I want to talk about the

:12:18. > :12:21.timely words of Karen Pollock, the chief executive of the Holocaust

:12:22. > :12:26.educational trust. She said we have spent the past week remembering the

:12:27. > :12:32.Holocaust. Reminded ourselves where hatred leads. That words matter,

:12:33. > :12:36.that we cannot stand by. As we see in justice and witness prejudice and

:12:37. > :12:43.feel confident to, but a duty to feel confident to, but a duty to

:12:44. > :12:46.speak out. As Ms Pollock would tell you, the Holocaust started with

:12:47. > :12:54.words of hatred and build from there. President Trump has a history

:12:55. > :12:59.of Islamophobic rhetoric. In 2010 he implied that Muslims were a threat

:13:00. > :13:05.to the security of his country and had a collective responsibility for

:13:06. > :13:11.the 2001 world trade centre attack. In 2012, he said that the world had

:13:12. > :13:18.and I quote, a Muslim problem. In March last year, he said and again I

:13:19. > :13:22.quote, I think Islam hates us. He has spoken approvingly of blanket

:13:23. > :13:29.surveillance of Ballmer 's limbs and the idea of a registry of Muslims in

:13:30. > :13:37.his country. -- all Muslims there are chilling... Buzzwords and then

:13:38. > :13:41.actions. In recent days, we have seen the attempts to put in place

:13:42. > :13:46.the ban of Muslim movement into the US. This is part of an initial

:13:47. > :13:51.package of measures designed to restrict freedoms of migrants and

:13:52. > :13:56.let us face it, to demonise them. There is an escalating pattern of

:13:57. > :14:03.deeply unjust and very worrying behaviour. In this the debate, it is

:14:04. > :14:07.clear that many honourable members share this concern about where it

:14:08. > :14:13.might lead. Trump's behaviour does not just affecting US residents. It

:14:14. > :14:18.is a matter of justice security and very basic dignity. The people here

:14:19. > :14:23.at home. Like many of these colleagues in this house I am sure I

:14:24. > :14:26.have received lots of messages from constituents worrying about their

:14:27. > :14:32.ability to be able to travel to the US and how that will now be

:14:33. > :14:37.curtailed. If only it only that. Because you see these words and

:14:38. > :14:40.actions have had a much greater effect, they fuelled fear. And

:14:41. > :14:47.provide perceived permissions to act provide perceived permissions to act

:14:48. > :14:52.of hatred. Global media coverage extends their reach. They simply