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:00:07. > :00:16.Order. Ten minute rule motion. Mr Peter Alldays. I beg to move that

:00:17. > :00:23.lead be given to bring in a bill to require the inclusion of vehicle

:00:24. > :00:28.fuel receipts on the amount of tax made to require all fuel pumps to

:00:29. > :00:34.display the amount of taxes paid when dispensing fuel and for

:00:35. > :00:39.connected purposes. Mr Speaker, this bill calls for all taxes to be

:00:40. > :00:43.clearly shown on fuel receipts. Its principle is very simple. The tax

:00:44. > :00:49.issue be clear to the people who pay them. At the moment they are not.

:00:50. > :00:56.The bill provides motorists with a far better clarity on what they are

:00:57. > :01:02.paid. A simple breakdown of fuel duty, VAT and VAT on duty. There is

:01:03. > :01:05.no reason why these measures should be unnecessarily burdensome or

:01:06. > :01:10.expensive to businesses. I understand for the Treasury who are

:01:11. > :01:14.advising motorists contacting them in support of this build that it

:01:15. > :01:19.will be in practical to introduce it. My response would be that VAT,

:01:20. > :01:25.one of the taxes in question, is already shown on receipts and all

:01:26. > :01:31.that is required for fuel duty to also be shown is a simple

:01:32. > :01:36.calculation, multiplying the number of litres by the duty per litre. The

:01:37. > :01:42.software cost of doing this is minimal. With prices at the pounds

:01:43. > :01:48.rising to the highest levels for over two years and total taxation of

:01:49. > :01:53.fuel bills hovering between 65 and 70%, it it is also important that

:01:54. > :01:58.government are open and transparent. Surely it is right that the nation's

:01:59. > :02:03.37 million drivers should see the magnitude of the tax that they pay

:02:04. > :02:09.every time they fill up their tanks? The government must be commended for

:02:10. > :02:14.freezing fuel duties since 2011. However the UK remains one of the

:02:15. > :02:20.most costliest nations in which to fill up with diesel and petrol. This

:02:21. > :02:24.is solely due to the high tax component in pump pricing. The

:02:25. > :02:30.amount of tax remains a huge issue for drivers. This is a tax, Mr

:02:31. > :02:35.Speaker, on a resource that over 70% of people have no choice to buy in

:02:36. > :02:46.order to go about their everyday lives. Total fuel duty revenue is

:02:47. > :02:52.approximately ?27 billion per annum, with an additional 20% VAT on the

:02:53. > :03:00.duty itself, bringing in an extra ?5.24 billion. Once drivers find out

:03:01. > :03:05.about the on fuel duty, a tax on a tax, it really perplexes and rankles

:03:06. > :03:09.them. The bill aims to give motorists what my honourable friend

:03:10. > :03:14.the member for Ipswich has secured for taxpayers in general as a result

:03:15. > :03:19.of the statements of taxation bill but he presented on the 25th of

:03:20. > :03:24.January 2012 and which was subsequently included in the 2012

:03:25. > :03:30.budget and was introduced in 2014. As a result of his initiative,

:03:31. > :03:31.taxpayers now see how the money is spent, broken down area by area of

:03:32. > :03:40.government spending. Council taxpayers have the same

:03:41. > :03:44.right, the bills they receive in spring itemise what which each

:03:45. > :03:47.authority will receive and invariably the Bill comes with a

:03:48. > :03:52.letter from council leaders explaining what they will do with

:03:53. > :03:57.our money. It is only right that hard-pressed motorists are put on

:03:58. > :04:02.the same level playing field rather than being continually exploited as

:04:03. > :04:09.a cash cow. The member for Ipswich's initiative was an important step

:04:10. > :04:13.along the road to full fuel tax transparency. It is now important to

:04:14. > :04:16.complete this journey so that motorists are also able to hold

:04:17. > :04:23.government to account. It must always be remembered that it is

:04:24. > :04:27.their money, not the state's I commend my Right Honourable friend,

:04:28. > :04:33.the member for Harlow who presented a very similar Bill to this on the

:04:34. > :04:36.16th of October 2012. She has been a real champion for motorists and it's

:04:37. > :04:43.important we build on the great work that he did in helping secure

:04:44. > :04:47.successive increases of fuel duty. It is also appropriate to pay

:04:48. > :04:52.tribute to the tremendous campaigning work of Fair Fuel Uk and

:04:53. > :04:56.their founders Quentin Willson and Howard Cox, for standing up for

:04:57. > :05:01.motorists at every turn of the road. I'm grateful for the support I've

:05:02. > :05:06.been provided by the APPG for fair fuel, chaired by my honourable

:05:07. > :05:12.friend, the member for Dover. It is also appropriate to highlight the

:05:13. > :05:15.pump watch act fair fuel UK are launching to show how much UK

:05:16. > :05:19.drivers would pay for the same number of litres that they have just

:05:20. > :05:27.bought if they had bought them in 23 other countries. I'm afraid, Mr

:05:28. > :05:32.Speaker, that the UK does not occupy a good position in this particular

:05:33. > :05:36.league table. Mr Speaker, I will set out four reasons why I believe there

:05:37. > :05:42.is a compelling case for introducing this Bill. Firstly, there is the

:05:43. > :05:49.need for transparency. To be open, upfront and honest with who as

:05:50. > :05:55.taxpayers have been taken for granted for too long. The magnitude

:05:56. > :05:59.of the tax paid every time drivers fill up at the pumps has been hidden

:06:00. > :06:03.from them for decades. UK drivers continue to pay the highest fuel

:06:04. > :06:08.duty in the world for diesels and the fifth highest for petrol. There

:06:09. > :06:12.is a need for transparency so that the country's 37 million drivers can

:06:13. > :06:17.see how much they contribute to public services and our economy. The

:06:18. > :06:21.traditional VAT only fuel receipts which are given to us at petrol

:06:22. > :06:28.stations and which invariably we file away in the Glock compartment

:06:29. > :06:33.must end now and be replaced by open and complete tax information. --

:06:34. > :06:36.glove compartment. This time drivers will be able to see every time they

:06:37. > :06:42.fill up their vehicles where their hard earned cash is going and going

:06:43. > :06:48.in the Treasury and in what form. Fuel duty, VAT and VAT on duty. Mr

:06:49. > :06:52.Speaker, when prices at the pumps fell to around ?1 per litre in 2016

:06:53. > :07:00.the tax that the government took from drivers reached 75%. What other

:07:01. > :07:05.huge tax contribution is kept hidden from those who pay it? I believe

:07:06. > :07:09.that there is an obligation on government to be open with UK

:07:10. > :07:15.drivers regarding the taxes that they pay. If drivers feel that they

:07:16. > :07:20.are being taken for granted we are driving down a very dangerous road.

:07:21. > :07:25.There is a need to be completely upfront to show motorists what they

:07:26. > :07:28.are paying. Secondly, it is important to highlight the

:07:29. > :07:37.progressive nature of fuel duty. In particular, it hits hard working

:07:38. > :07:41.families and those Jams whose recent challenges we have highlighted. 90%

:07:42. > :07:45.of journeys are by road, 70% of drivers have no choice but to use

:07:46. > :07:49.their vehicles to go to work, to drive their children to school, to

:07:50. > :07:54.take their elderly parents to hospital and to go out for the day

:07:55. > :07:58.with their families. I see the problem for myself in my own way

:07:59. > :08:02.from the constituency where wages are below the national average with

:08:03. > :08:07.many people having no choice but to use their cars to get to work. Quite

:08:08. > :08:11.often travelling long distances to places like Norwich, Ipswich and

:08:12. > :08:16.Felixstowe. And where there is also a limited number of petrol stations

:08:17. > :08:20.from which to buy fuel. Waveney motorists, like so many in similar

:08:21. > :08:25.areas across the country, I hit hard by this triple whammy. Mr Speaker, I

:08:26. > :08:29.sensed time is ticking. My third point is that it is important to

:08:30. > :08:33.highlight the impact that fuel duty has on the economy. Since 2011 the

:08:34. > :08:42.Treasury has listened to the carefully researched and evidence

:08:43. > :08:45.-based fair fuel campaign to free duty, care fuel UK proved that the

:08:46. > :08:51.level of fuel duty directly impacts on the success of the economy and

:08:52. > :08:54.creation of jobs, level of job creation, investment by small and

:08:55. > :09:00.medium-sized businesses and consumer spending. My fourth point, Mr Deputy

:09:01. > :09:04.Speaker, is the enormous groundswell of support these measures have

:09:05. > :09:11.across the country as a whole and around this chamber. In conclusion,

:09:12. > :09:16.Mr Deputy Speaker, the Bill is targeted at the nation's 37 million

:09:17. > :09:23.drivers, to all our constituents, so that they can see how much they are

:09:24. > :09:27.contributing to the public purse. Our public services and promoting

:09:28. > :09:30.economic growth. The clandestinely fuel tax receipt must end and must

:09:31. > :09:36.be replaced with open, straightforward and complete tax

:09:37. > :09:41.information for all drivers which they can see every time they fill up

:09:42. > :09:43.their vehicles. It is a straightforward Bill. It will

:09:44. > :09:50.provide straightforward transparency on fuel duty, on what people pay and

:09:51. > :09:56.where their money goes. It will make the taxation system more honest. It

:09:57. > :10:00.will spark a debate as to whether the motorist should continue to be

:10:01. > :10:06.used as the nation's tax cow and how the money is spent. Mr Speaker, I

:10:07. > :10:13.have expended your patience and I hope the whole house supports this

:10:14. > :10:16.Bill. Mr Speaker the honourable gentleman has never strained my

:10:17. > :10:21.patients, it is always a pleasure to listen to his mellifluous tones and

:10:22. > :10:26.I noticed as he made his case he singled handedly relegated me to the

:10:27. > :10:30.status of Deputy Speaker. For which, of course, I'm extremely grateful.

:10:31. > :10:33.The question is that the honourable member have leave to bring in the

:10:34. > :10:39.Bill. As many as are of the opinion, say "aye". To the contrary, "no". I

:10:40. > :10:43.think the ayes have it, the ayes have it. Who will prepare and bring

:10:44. > :10:50.in the Bill. I apologise for that error. Mr Speaker, the Bill will be

:10:51. > :10:54.brought in by Mr Alistair Carmichael, Angus Brendan MacNeil,

:10:55. > :11:01.Martin Vickers, Danny Kinahan, Charlie Elphicke, Margaret Ritchie,

:11:02. > :11:04.Maria Caulfield, Drew Hendry, Rishi Sunak, Jim Fitzpatrick, James

:11:05. > :11:53.Cartlidge and myself. Vehicle fuel, publication of tax

:11:54. > :12:01.information Bill, Second Reading. What a? 24th of February. -- what

:12:02. > :12:09.Dave. 24th of February, thank you. The clerk will be the orders of the

:12:10. > :12:13.day. European union withdrawal Bill, motion for Second Reading.

:12:14. > :12:19.The original question was that the Bill be read a second time. Since

:12:20. > :12:24.when an amendment has been proposed as on the order paper. The question

:12:25. > :12:27.is that the amendment be made. Just before I call the Right Honourable

:12:28. > :12:31.gentleman for Doncaster North who will open proceedings today, I

:12:32. > :12:38.should point out that there is an initial, but it will be a very short

:12:39. > :12:43.lived time limit on backbench speeches of eight minutes. Ed

:12:44. > :12:47.Miliband. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I want to say at the outset of this

:12:48. > :12:51.debate that this is clearly a fateful moment in the country's

:12:52. > :12:55.history and I think the excellent speeches on day one of this debate

:12:56. > :13:00.reflected the gravity of the moment. I also want to say, Mr Speaker, we

:13:01. > :13:03.should all respect the way in which colleagues on all sides of the House

:13:04. > :13:07.are wrestling with their consciences as they decide to vote on this Bill,

:13:08. > :13:11.nobody should pretend it is easy. For me the actions I'm going to take

:13:12. > :13:15.tonight I determined by the result on June the 23rd. In case the House

:13:16. > :13:19.needs reminding, Mr Speaker, I didn't want this referendum. And

:13:20. > :13:22.indeed, I made a strong case to my colleagues and indeed decided my

:13:23. > :13:26.party would not support David Cameron's decision in the last

:13:27. > :13:30.Parliament. The reason was that I felt the country had many, many

:13:31. > :13:34.other problems if faced and that the referendum would become as much

:13:35. > :13:38.about the state of the country is about Britain's place in Europe, and

:13:39. > :13:42.indeed I believe that is partly what happened. But, Mr Speaker, I believe

:13:43. > :13:45.that is water under the bridge. I took part in the referendum

:13:46. > :13:50.campaign, I said I would accept the result, and I do. That is why I will

:13:51. > :13:57.be voting for Second Reading tonight. I will in a moment... Part

:13:58. > :14:02.of the reasons I will vote the way I will be voting tonight is I think

:14:03. > :14:05.this referendum in part from a deep frustration about politics and a

:14:06. > :14:08.sense of disaffection from politics that there is in the country. And

:14:09. > :14:13.therefore, I think a heightened reason for saying that this process

:14:14. > :14:16.must begin is we do not want to give the sense that people having voted

:14:17. > :14:20.for Brexit, because they felt they had been ignored, are being ignored

:14:21. > :14:25.once again. I'm grateful to my honourable friend for giving way and

:14:26. > :14:28.I accept the result of the country and in my constituency. Does he

:14:29. > :14:32.agree with me that nobody remain or leave, voted to become poorer and

:14:33. > :14:36.the test for the government is to produce that prosperous pro Brexit

:14:37. > :14:38.Britain and a deal that isn't the best interests of Britain? My

:14:39. > :14:41.honourable friend puts the point very well and I wanted to come onto

:14:42. > :14:46.that because our responsibilities don't end tonight or indeed with the

:14:47. > :14:49.passing of this Bill, Mr Speaker. I believe it is deeply problematic

:14:50. > :14:54.that the government is embarking on this process without an economic

:14:55. > :14:59.analysis, objective analysis of its implications, without clarity on key

:15:00. > :15:01.issues like the customs union, without any sense of what the

:15:02. > :15:04.transitional arrangements might look like, and on the basis of what I

:15:05. > :15:07.believe is a fanciful proposition that all of this can be tied up

:15:08. > :15:13.within 18 months including the future arrangements. Now, a number

:15:14. > :15:15.of speakers on day one powerfully made the point that given the

:15:16. > :15:20.paucity of information we have been given before Article 50 is to be

:15:21. > :15:23.triggered it is even more important that there is proper Parliament with

:15:24. > :15:29.scrutiny, including a meaningful vote in this House before the end of

:15:30. > :15:32.the process. The Prime Minister's apparent wish to say that choice

:15:33. > :15:38.will be given is to accept that her deal, or face a hard Brexit on WTO

:15:39. > :15:42.terms in my view would be quite wrong. That is a take it or leave it

:15:43. > :15:48.option which flies completely in the face of the central proposition that

:15:49. > :15:52.won this referendum which was take back control and Parliamentary

:15:53. > :15:56.sovereignty. I hope members, and I particularly say this to members on

:15:57. > :16:00.the other side, however they voted in this referendum, will support

:16:01. > :16:03.amendments which seek to ensure there is proper Parliamentary

:16:04. > :16:07.sovereignty throughout this process. I actually believe, Mr Speaker, that

:16:08. > :16:11.Parliamentary scrutiny will help the government, it will improve any deal

:16:12. > :16:13.that is made, it will strengthen their hand with the European Union

:16:14. > :16:17.and actually it will make it more likely that the Prime Minister ends

:16:18. > :16:25.up with a deal which has the support it needs in the country. With my

:16:26. > :16:28.Right Honourable friend give way? Would he not agree with me that

:16:29. > :16:32.without the safeguards that he seeks there may be a crock of something at

:16:33. > :16:38.the end of the rainbow but it just may not be gold?

:16:39. > :16:43.Well, she puts it very well. I think it is deeply uncertain, and I think

:16:44. > :16:47.the truth is that the government has not really levelled with the country

:16:48. > :16:50.about the trade-offs. At the moment they are saying they can have

:16:51. > :16:54.everything and I fear that pretty soon in the negotiations we will

:16:55. > :16:57.discover that is not the case. Mr Speaker, I want to focus on her

:16:58. > :17:01.remarks, not on the economic questions which were well worn

:17:02. > :17:04.yesterday, but on another equally important issue which has received

:17:05. > :17:07.less attention in the debate but I think is absolutely crucial, which

:17:08. > :17:08.is our place in the world and foreign policy relationships after

:17:09. > :17:20.Brexit. The foundation of our foreign policy

:17:21. > :17:30.for a generation has rested on a special relationship with the United

:17:31. > :17:37.States and the European Union. Under the last government and this

:17:38. > :17:42.government, a commitment to the rule of law on human rights, climate

:17:43. > :17:46.change, all of these have been bound up with our relationship with the

:17:47. > :17:52.European Union. I do think we should be under any illusions. There is a

:17:53. > :17:58.real risk of our departure that our influence in the world is weakened.

:17:59. > :18:02.I negotiated on climate change for the last Labour government. Our

:18:03. > :18:05.strength, power and standing came through our membership of the

:18:06. > :18:12.European Union because we were 10% of global emissions, not just 1% of

:18:13. > :18:15.global emissions. I will give way in a second. Therefore I believe the

:18:16. > :18:20.house should recognise that this question of what strategic

:18:21. > :18:27.relationship comes after Brexit is fundamental to the issue of real

:18:28. > :18:32.sovereignty. Our ability to have an effect on the things that will

:18:33. > :18:40.affect us. I give way briefly. Is he not concerned though, and he raises

:18:41. > :18:46.an important issue about the future of ourselves and the European Union,

:18:47. > :18:53.but is he not concerned that the R 139 overseas posts and is he

:18:54. > :19:02.asserting the authority of the European Union over the member

:19:03. > :19:09.states. We will be reasserting sovereignty. The question is what

:19:10. > :19:14.comes next in all of us need to address ourselves to that question.

:19:15. > :19:18.Of course the terrible irony, in my view, is that our European

:19:19. > :19:25.corporation is so clearly now needed with the election of President

:19:26. > :19:29.Trump. -- cooperation. I believe in a special relationship with the

:19:30. > :19:33.United States, but it must be based on values. The Foreign Secretary

:19:34. > :19:38.said after the election of President Trump, he is a guy, that is

:19:39. > :19:43.President Trump by the way, who believes in values that I believe in

:19:44. > :19:47.as well. Freedom and democracy. I don't agree and I hope one

:19:48. > :19:50.reflection after a few days of President Trump the Foreign

:19:51. > :19:54.Secretary doesn't agree either. My central point is this. I can go

:19:55. > :19:57.along with the Prime Minister that Brexit means Brexit, but I cannot go

:19:58. > :20:04.along with the idea that Brexit means Trump, and nor do I believe

:20:05. > :20:09.that that is... And nor do I believe that that is inevitable and nor do I

:20:10. > :20:13.believe that that is what the British people want either. But the

:20:14. > :20:17.danger of this, Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister feels it is an

:20:18. > :20:23.inevitable consequence that we are driven into the arms of President

:20:24. > :20:26.Trump. So what should be done? The Lancaster house speech was no doubt

:20:27. > :20:34.an improvement in tone on what had gone before, but not one of the

:20:35. > :20:42.Prime Minister's 12 principal spoke about things like climate change. I

:20:43. > :20:46.hope the government can come up with an architecture for foreign and

:20:47. > :20:51.statistical operation with the European Union and not just an ad

:20:52. > :20:55.hoc arrangement. This will be intergovernmental, but there are

:20:56. > :20:59.many issues from Russia to refugees, climate to defence where we will be

:21:00. > :21:05.stronger not weaker if we have institutions which mean cooperation

:21:06. > :21:10.between ourselves and the European Union. We don't just mean the right

:21:11. > :21:13.institutions, but they must be founded on strategic orientation

:21:14. > :21:20.which continues to value our role in Europe. We must be willing, even as

:21:21. > :21:26.we leave the EU, to join with our European allies whose values we

:21:27. > :21:30.share on human rights and human law. Where has the co-ordinated response

:21:31. > :21:36.to the Trump Muslim ban bin and why has the government not been pushing

:21:37. > :21:41.for it? As I understand it... I will give way, but I want to get to the

:21:42. > :21:47.end. Be dual citizenship exam shunned the UK has one will only be

:21:48. > :21:51.extended to New Zealand, Australia and Canada. It's good we have the

:21:52. > :21:55.exemption, but we should be standing in solidarity with our European

:21:56. > :21:59.allies asking for this the end. In the wake of President Trump Ozma

:22:00. > :22:07.election, foreign ministers agreed a joint statement on the continuing

:22:08. > :22:11.need for a two state region. There were continually blocked. It is no

:22:12. > :22:15.wonder that your fears we are throwing in our lot with President

:22:16. > :22:21.Trump and turning our back on them and I said this, no good will come

:22:22. > :22:24.of this. These are a test of who we are as a nation, our values and how

:22:25. > :22:33.we intend to imply them in the years ahead. We have designed rules and

:22:34. > :22:38.promoted them, but the alternative is far far worse. Incidentally,

:22:39. > :22:43.surely there must be no more talk, particularly in the current context

:22:44. > :22:48.where human rights in so much at risk of us leaving the European

:22:49. > :22:52.Convention on human rights. I hope the government will have been

:22:53. > :22:55.prompted by President Trump Ozma first few days in office to think

:22:56. > :22:59.about the approach. History will judge us not only on the decisions

:23:00. > :23:04.we make on this bill tonight, but beyond. The government has a heavy

:23:05. > :23:08.responsibility. We expect them to exercise it on behalf of the whole

:23:09. > :23:16.nation, not just the 52% and for that we will hold them to account in

:23:17. > :23:19.the months and years ahead. The right Honourable gentleman spoke as

:23:20. > :23:25.he always has with passion for an international Britain and European

:23:26. > :23:29.solution to many of the problems we face. Democracy is easy to defend

:23:30. > :23:33.when you agree with the majority because you have the advantage of

:23:34. > :23:38.many other political systems like dictatorships that you get your way,

:23:39. > :23:42.but you have the added advantage of legitimacy and popular consent.

:23:43. > :23:46.Democracy is much more difficult when you disagree with the majority

:23:47. > :23:51.and as people know, I argued passionately in this referendum that

:23:52. > :23:55.I felt leaving the European Union would weaken Britain's trade and

:23:56. > :24:00.commercial links, that it would diminish Britain on the world stage,

:24:01. > :24:04.but it would make more difficult international approaches to things

:24:05. > :24:10.like climate change, or atomic research and it would also weaken a

:24:11. > :24:15.multilateral institution, the European Union, which has been vital

:24:16. > :24:19.to our collective security for many decades. I made those arguments and

:24:20. > :24:24.it saddens me that Britain and Brexit is bracketed in the same

:24:25. > :24:27.group as other isolationists and nativists movements around the world

:24:28. > :24:32.at the moment and we should strive to be, as the Prime Minister says, a

:24:33. > :24:36.more global Britain. But I lost the case. I made it with passion, I

:24:37. > :24:43.sacrificed my position in government for it and in the end we have to now

:24:44. > :24:47.except... I bought make some progress and then take some

:24:48. > :24:52.interventions. We had two accept that in a democracy, the majority

:24:53. > :24:56.has spoken, and whilst I am a passionate believer in an open

:24:57. > :25:01.internationalist free trading Britain, I am also a passionate

:25:02. > :25:04.believer in Britain as a democracy and it is unfashionable in schools

:25:05. > :25:08.these days to teach what I believe is a true tale of our nation's

:25:09. > :25:15.history which stretches from the Magna Carta to the glorious

:25:16. > :25:18.Revolution. The founding fathers of the American revolution, female

:25:19. > :25:21.emancipation and the like, but we have given the modern world version

:25:22. > :25:30.of democracy that has spread far beyond our shores. Therefore to vote

:25:31. > :25:34.against the majority verdict of the largest democratic exercise in

:25:35. > :25:39.British history, I think would risk putting parliament against people.

:25:40. > :25:43.It will provoke a deep constitutional crisis in our

:25:44. > :25:47.country. I think it would alienate people who already feel they are

:25:48. > :25:52.alienated and I am not prepared to do that, Mr Speaker. So I will be

:25:53. > :25:58.voting for the bill tonight. I wish to make some progress and I want

:25:59. > :26:03.others to have a chance to speak, so I won't take interventions from the

:26:04. > :26:08.other side or indeed my side. The point I would make however is this.

:26:09. > :26:15.There was a mandate to leave the European Union, but that was the

:26:16. > :26:18.only question that was asked of the British people in that referendum

:26:19. > :26:24.and I don't think we can assume that there were a set of answers from the

:26:25. > :26:29.British public to the questions we now face is a parliament. Indeed

:26:30. > :26:33.those questions are now entrusted to us as we approach these

:26:34. > :26:37.negotiations. I call the negotiations. Personally, I do think

:26:38. > :26:41.they are going to resemble the negotiations we currently read about

:26:42. > :26:45.in the media and in newspapers. The truth is that while Britain is

:26:46. > :26:50.seeking the maximum possible access to the single market for goods and

:26:51. > :26:55.for services and while we hope that the fact that we have a trade

:26:56. > :26:59.deficit and a very important financial centre will count in our

:27:00. > :27:04.favour, the government has chosen, and I respect this decision, not to

:27:05. > :27:11.make economy the priority in this negotiation. They have prioritised

:27:12. > :27:14.immigration control and removing European Court of Justice

:27:15. > :27:17.jurisdiction from the United Kingdom and in that sense asserting

:27:18. > :27:21.parliamentary sovereignty, although I would point out that Parliament

:27:22. > :27:26.can choose to leave the EU as we are choosing to do in the coming days.

:27:27. > :27:31.Not prioritising the economy, although we hope the best possible

:27:32. > :27:34.arrangement. The European Union is not prioritising the economy either

:27:35. > :27:39.in these negotiations. Having spent the last couple of weeks in Berlin

:27:40. > :27:42.and Paris talking to some of the French and political leaders it is

:27:43. > :27:47.clear that while they understand that Britain is a very important

:27:48. > :27:51.market for their businesses, the priority is to maintain the

:27:52. > :27:56.integrity of the remaining 27 members of the European Union. They

:27:57. > :28:01.are not interested in a long and complex hybrid agreement with the

:28:02. > :28:08.United Kingdom and so therefore both sides at the moment are heading for

:28:09. > :28:12.a clean break from the United -- from the European Union for the

:28:13. > :28:15.United Kingdom. In the end the negotiations will come down to how

:28:16. > :28:20.the break is achieved. The Prime Minister in her speech a couple of

:28:21. > :28:24.weeks ago made it clear that Britain is seeking a transition agreement.

:28:25. > :28:28.It's not possible for this Parliament to introduce all the

:28:29. > :28:31.domestic legislation that will be required to replicate the

:28:32. > :28:35.arrangements that we currently have with the European Union, even with

:28:36. > :28:39.the great repeal act, and we will need to have some kind of bridge to

:28:40. > :28:44.the free trade agreement that we seek with the European Union. At the

:28:45. > :28:48.same time the European Union needs from us financial commitments that

:28:49. > :28:52.it believes we entered into to pay for European projects that were

:28:53. > :28:58.undertaken while we remember and in practice what that means is that the

:28:59. > :29:03.negotiations will be a trade-off, as all divorce is art, between access

:29:04. > :29:08.and money, and we will try and scale down our payments to the European

:29:09. > :29:12.Union while scaling down our commitment to European Union rules

:29:13. > :29:19.and access until we reach that free trade agreement which we hope to

:29:20. > :29:23.negotiate. To be honest, I will just finished my speech and others can

:29:24. > :29:32.speak. That's what the negotiations will be like. I suspect it will be

:29:33. > :29:38.bitter. I spent four years negotiating with my French

:29:39. > :29:43.counterpart and I would advise the Secretary of State to be well

:29:44. > :29:47.briefed and packed a packet of pro plus because there will be long

:29:48. > :29:51.nights ahead. We don't forget the fundamental reasons why Britain in

:29:52. > :29:54.the first place wanted to be part of the European Common market, nor do

:29:55. > :29:58.we allow the Europeans to forget there was a fundamental reason they

:29:59. > :30:02.created a European Community, which was to bring the nations of Europe

:30:03. > :30:08.together and that we try and keep those thoughts alive as we exited

:30:09. > :30:15.the EU. The final thing I want to say is this. We have made a decision

:30:16. > :30:19.to leave the European Union and as the successful Leave campaign put

:30:20. > :30:23.it, to take back control. That does mean a series of issues will come to

:30:24. > :30:28.this Parliament that completely divide Brexiteers from each other,

:30:29. > :30:33.Remainers from each other, they divide conservatives and members of

:30:34. > :30:38.other parties. We will have very lively debates about free trade. You

:30:39. > :30:42.are beginning to seek a Prime Minister's Questions about what kind

:30:43. > :30:46.of agricultural produce we want in the country, or the kind of public

:30:47. > :30:49.procurement contracts we want. We'll have a lively debate about

:30:50. > :30:55.immigration, how many people we want here and how do we welcome school

:30:56. > :30:59.people? How do we support our universities and scientific research

:31:00. > :31:02.institutions? We will argue about agricultural subsidies on whether we

:31:03. > :31:13.are happy for the poorest people to pay taxes and subsidies to some of

:31:14. > :31:22.the richest. I will be in those fights in the couple of years ahead.

:31:23. > :31:24.Thank you. Mr Speaker: I start by congratulating the former Chancellor

:31:25. > :31:28.on his speech which was a good deal shorter and a great deal less

:31:29. > :31:40.lucrative than the ones he is used to giving these days. As has been

:31:41. > :31:45.pointed out to the Tory benches, he is anything but cheap these days,

:31:46. > :31:48.but can I say to the former Chancellor, they may have argued the

:31:49. > :31:55.case with passion during the campaign, but it was his tendency to

:31:56. > :31:59.take Treasury forecasts as to the long-term damage that will be done

:32:00. > :32:05.by withdrawal from the single market in terms of GDP and wealth for this

:32:06. > :32:10.country and turned them into apocalyptic emergency budget

:32:11. > :32:14.scaremongering that was one of the main reasons they lost the campaign.

:32:15. > :32:23.Campaigns have to be built on more than fear. I won't talk about the

:32:24. > :32:32.politics, economics -- I want to talk about the politics, economy and

:32:33. > :32:36.Scotland. There was a time when the house was gripped by collective

:32:37. > :32:41.madness. That time of history was Iraq, when this house was mesmerised

:32:42. > :32:50.by a strong Prime Minister into the blood and disaster of the Iraqi war,

:32:51. > :32:55.but it's certainly not mesmerising rhetoric that is responsible for mad

:32:56. > :33:00.MP disease in this case. One MP compared it to Alice in Wonderland,

:33:01. > :33:04.but Alice only took herself into the hole. This Prime Minister is taking

:33:05. > :33:09.virtually all of the Tory party, half the Labour Party and the entire

:33:10. > :33:10.country into the hole. It is politically crazy what is being

:33:11. > :33:20.done. It was said Britain had lost its

:33:21. > :33:23.empire and was yet to find its role. Listening to the speeches of the

:33:24. > :33:35.Tory backbenchers yesterday I wasn't sure if they were Rekik --

:33:36. > :33:37.reconciled to the Empire's loss. Balancing that with a special

:33:38. > :33:43.relationship with the United States of America. A German Chancellor once

:33:44. > :33:47.said the relationship was special because only one side knew about it

:33:48. > :33:51.and that is certainly true, but nonetheless it was a rational

:33:52. > :33:56.policy. Some prime ministers took it far too far into the desert of Iran

:33:57. > :34:01.but nonetheless it was a rational, logical policy. But you can't pursue

:34:02. > :34:04.that policy of influence in Europe and all of the good things that come

:34:05. > :34:09.from it as the Right Honourable member for Doncaster reminded us.

:34:10. > :34:14.Cut Batov and then pursue the special relationship with the United

:34:15. > :34:17.States of America. -- cut that offer. That Leeds Youth Court in the

:34:18. > :34:21.headlights like the Prime Minister was earlier this week when asked to

:34:22. > :34:28.condemn the obvious thing any human being would have condemned. She

:34:29. > :34:40.refuses to do it three times in case she offends her new best friend in

:34:41. > :34:41.the White House. -- that leaves you caught in the headlights. Moving

:34:42. > :34:48.towards President like that will leave you

:34:49. > :34:54.more and more embarrassed. And then there is the economic damage. Yes, I

:34:55. > :34:58.will. Earlier on my honourable friend mentioned the issue about

:34:59. > :35:04.climatic change in relationship the American President. He said he will

:35:05. > :35:09.tear up those agreements and where will Britain stand Ben? What support

:35:10. > :35:14.will it get? -- example of the embarrassments to come. There is

:35:15. > :35:19.nothing wrong with the forecasts about coming out of the Single

:35:20. > :35:24.Market place, even if there is a bespoke deal there will be a 6% loss

:35:25. > :35:30.in GDP. Can my Right Honourable friend help my understanding that it

:35:31. > :35:33.was the Tories that wanted to safeguard British interests in the

:35:34. > :35:38.Single Market? Am I correct in recalling that in the manifesto? In

:35:39. > :35:45.the Tory 2015 manifesto it is not my bedtime reading. But as I remember

:35:46. > :35:49.it was Page 72 and it said we say yes to the Single Market and they

:35:50. > :35:52.were right to say yes. It is funny yesterday that all of the

:35:53. > :35:55.Conservative speakers remembered that commitment to a referendum and

:35:56. > :36:00.not one of them remembered their commitment to the Single Market

:36:01. > :36:03.place. And, of course, it wasn't the case that a withdrawal from the

:36:04. > :36:06.European Community means a withdrawal from the Single Market

:36:07. > :36:12.place. I had the pleasure during the campaign of debating with Daniel

:36:13. > :36:16.Hannan NEP who said, absolutely nobody is talking about threatening

:36:17. > :36:19.our place in the Single Market -- MEP. Of course it is possible to

:36:20. > :36:24.honour the result of the referendum and stay within the Single Market

:36:25. > :36:28.place. Even if you think they will be a Nexit from the Single Market

:36:29. > :36:34.place it is madness in diplomatic negotiating terms to abandon that

:36:35. > :36:37.position now. You should keep the place in the Single Market place and

:36:38. > :36:41.allow the other European countries to negotiate you out of it, not give

:36:42. > :36:47.it away before the first word is spoken in the negotiations. Next, Mr

:36:48. > :36:54.Speaker, we come to the procedures of this House. This is the list of

:36:55. > :36:59.amendments stretching to 100 and more pages, 103 now. We are told

:37:00. > :37:02.this is to be debated in three days. The Scotland Bill which was not the

:37:03. > :37:10.greatest constitutional change in history 18 months ago, six days of

:37:11. > :37:12.debate. I would say to the members, like the honourable member for

:37:13. > :37:15.Doncaster North who listed all of the things wrong with the

:37:16. > :37:18.Government's approach, if you believe that now you should vote

:37:19. > :37:23.against the government, or if you can't do that at least four

:37:24. > :37:26.programme motion that would make it possible to make the sensible

:37:27. > :37:31.changes that the Right Honourable gentleman outlined. So, procedurally

:37:32. > :37:35.of course. This is deficient and it has been pointed out well yesterday.

:37:36. > :37:40.It is not just deficient in terms of the time, it is also deficient in

:37:41. > :37:45.terms of the question that will eventually be put before this House.

:37:46. > :37:49.The final vote on the deal that comes back from a Prime Minister who

:37:50. > :37:57.said no deal is better than a bad deal. And, therefore, the choice the

:37:58. > :38:00.House will get us a bad Deal or no deal. And, therefore, it is crucial

:38:01. > :38:05.that when the House debates that and comes to a decision there is a

:38:06. > :38:10.meaningful vote, a vote that can make a difference as opposed to

:38:11. > :38:15.Hobson's choice made with a metaphorical gun at this House's

:38:16. > :38:19.head. One last thing. I am grateful to be Right Honourable member will

:38:20. > :38:23.for giving way but on that point if we are in a situation where the only

:38:24. > :38:28.deal on the table is a bad deal does he agree with me that the

:38:29. > :38:31.responsibility for that being an eventuality will lie with the Prime

:38:32. > :38:37.Minister. It is not as if she can deny responsibility for that being a

:38:38. > :38:40.problem. Yes I would, but finding out it was the Prime Minister's

:38:41. > :38:44.responsibility will avail this country of very little, far better

:38:45. > :38:50.to make sure via our votes that we get a realistic choice that can

:38:51. > :38:54.actually make a difference. Finally, Mr Speaker, I come to the situation

:38:55. > :39:02.in Scotland. Scotland has a 1000 year history as a European nation

:39:03. > :39:06.Sir William Wallace's unjust trial in this hall, for which presumably

:39:07. > :39:10.he will get a pardon at some point soon, after his greatest victory in

:39:11. > :39:13.the Battle of Stirling Bridge, which was a kin to Leicester winning the

:39:14. > :39:21.Premier League last season in terms of an upset surprise, his first act

:39:22. > :39:24.was not to hold a ceilidh but to write the Hanseatic league to secure

:39:25. > :39:32.Scotland's trading concessions across Europe at that time Liebig

:39:33. > :39:34.and elsewhere. The importance of Scotland's European connections

:39:35. > :39:38.stretches back a millennium and we're not going to allow this

:39:39. > :39:47.non-vision act of madness from this House take Scotland out of these

:39:48. > :39:49.connections. The Scottish Government have book for the proposition

:39:50. > :39:53.Scotland's place in Europe, which offers the Prime Minister the way

:39:54. > :39:57.for Scotland to stay within the Single Market place regardless of

:39:58. > :40:02.what she wants to do to this country. The Prime Minister said

:40:03. > :40:04.today if ritual as border in Ireland was quite possible under the

:40:05. > :40:09.circumstances without realising that, of course, if it is possible

:40:10. > :40:12.in Ireland it's possible in Scotland as well and I see the honourable

:40:13. > :40:16.member nodding because in the early hours of this morning I think I saw

:40:17. > :40:21.him say much the same thing in a debate, or perhaps it was one of his

:40:22. > :40:28.honourable friends in Hartog, a sad case of watching hard talk at 1am.

:40:29. > :40:32.-- hard talk. It was the honourable member for Esher and Walton. It is

:40:33. > :40:35.important to understand these examples are taking place in Europe

:40:36. > :40:40.at the present moment. The Prime Minister has it within her power and

:40:41. > :40:45.capacity to agree to accept the proposals, the compromise proposals

:40:46. > :40:48.of the Scottish Government and allow Scotland as a nation to retain that

:40:49. > :40:54.trading place within the European context. But if that is not happen

:40:55. > :40:58.and if the South says we are going to go ahead with hard Tory Brexit or

:40:59. > :41:03.full English Brexit as we are calling it in Scotland now, we are

:41:04. > :41:06.going to sweep aside the concerns from across this House in terms of

:41:07. > :41:11.economic and political damage, we're not going to accept the proposals

:41:12. > :41:14.from Scotland to follow the votes of people in the nation of Scotland and

:41:15. > :41:16.retain our European connection, we're not interested in Scottish

:41:17. > :41:22.jobs or investment and preserving that. If that is the criteria and

:41:23. > :41:27.attitude of government, if that is what this Prime Minister wants to do

:41:28. > :41:31.with Scotland, if she is determined to throw down the gauntlet then she

:41:32. > :41:41.can be absolutely sure that Nicola Sturgeon as First Minister will pick

:41:42. > :41:47.it up. SPEAKER: Order. Maiden speech, Doctor Caroline Johnson.

:41:48. > :41:54.Thank you, Mr Speaker. Lease. Max Clifford Abdennour Pike is not only

:41:55. > :42:02.the constituency that am proud to represent, it is my home. And I feel

:42:03. > :42:06.a personal responsibility to nurture it -- Sleaford and North high come.

:42:07. > :42:13.It is a predominantly agricultural area with pockets of industry and a

:42:14. > :42:17.strong military tradition. The town of North Hykeham is built on top of

:42:18. > :42:22.the old Roman road, the Fosse Way. To the south is Sleaford where one

:42:23. > :42:28.is welcome by the Handley monument, it is a large ornate stone structure

:42:29. > :42:35.with a statue of Henry Hanley within it. Who was the MP for South

:42:36. > :42:40.Lincolnshire from 1832 to 1841. He was such a popular MP that the

:42:41. > :42:45.townspeople created this memorial in his honour. It is not clear now

:42:46. > :42:50.whether he was so popular for his innovative ideas regarding science

:42:51. > :42:54.and technology in farming, or whether it was because of his strong

:42:55. > :42:59.opposition to the taxation of malt. Nevertheless, it is clear that I

:43:00. > :43:05.have a lot to live up to. My predecessor was Stephen Phillips,

:43:06. > :43:09.who like his own predecessor Douglas Hogg, is a silk. They brought great

:43:10. > :43:17.intellect and legal acumen to this House. Stephen is particularly to be

:43:18. > :43:20.commended for his work on the Public Accounts Committee. But possibly his

:43:21. > :43:25.greatest virtue is his sense of timing. He resigned at exactly the

:43:26. > :43:29.right time for me to be able to stand for this seat.

:43:30. > :43:32.LAUGHTER I would like to thank Stephen for

:43:33. > :43:37.his personal encouragement which he has given to me in this endeavour. I

:43:38. > :43:42.would also like to thank the many members of this House who has given

:43:43. > :43:46.me wonderful support, especially those for Newark, Sherwood, Boston

:43:47. > :43:49.and Skegness, to whom I'm very grateful. In these challenging

:43:50. > :43:52.times, Mr Speaker, I promise to uphold the fine traditions of the

:43:53. > :43:56.House and serve my constituents to the best of my ability, ensuring

:43:57. > :44:02.that their voices are heard as we move forward. As a new MP it is

:44:03. > :44:07.right for me to explain briefly who I am. I am a mother of three, a

:44:08. > :44:13.farmer's wife and a product of a loving family. I am a consultant

:44:14. > :44:17.paediatrician and, therefore, have particular interests in the health,

:44:18. > :44:24.education and general well-being of children. I am also a committed

:44:25. > :44:27.Brexit tear. And I am also interested in farming,

:44:28. > :44:31.infrastructure and defence. I am not a silk, nor even a lawyer but I have

:44:32. > :44:36.firm principles based on what I believe to be morally right and the

:44:37. > :44:41.ideal of democracy under the rule of law. I've spent all my working life

:44:42. > :44:48.as a doctor in the NHS and care passionately about it. The NHS is

:44:49. > :44:50.not perfect. In fact, I doubt any organisation as large and so

:44:51. > :44:56.dependent on human judgment ever could be. However, whilst there are

:44:57. > :45:01.areas which could be improved I feel many are too quick to decried the

:45:02. > :45:05.falls within the NHS without adequately recognising the brilliant

:45:06. > :45:11.work which is done day in and day out, helping more people than ever

:45:12. > :45:14.before. I look forward to contributing my knowledge and

:45:15. > :45:20.experience to help ensure that the NHS goes from strength to strength.

:45:21. > :45:24.Improving the well-being of children remains a topic close to my heart. I

:45:25. > :45:28.am delighted with the Government's commitment to young people's

:45:29. > :45:32.mental-health. We must ensure that young people with mental health

:45:33. > :45:36.issues have access to right treatment. However, as with physical

:45:37. > :45:40.health we must also focus on prevention, and in my view they

:45:41. > :45:45.should include improvements in children's social care and helping

:45:46. > :45:49.to foster resilience. Resilience is very important. I feel we let down

:45:50. > :45:52.children with the old must have prizes culture. Young people should

:45:53. > :45:57.be allowed to understand their strengths and weaknesses by being

:45:58. > :46:01.allowed to compete and take control risks, to win, and also to lose, and

:46:02. > :46:04.learn from that experience which better prepares them for the

:46:05. > :46:10.challenges they face in life ahead. It is a privilege to give my maiden

:46:11. > :46:16.speech today in this historic debate. As someone new to the world

:46:17. > :46:21.of Westminster the greatest surprise to me was so many seemed surprised

:46:22. > :46:25.by the results of this referendum. I was brought up to believe that a

:46:26. > :46:31.good democracy is ruled by the majority with protection for

:46:32. > :46:33.minorities. As I talk to my constituents, however, I

:46:34. > :46:38.increasingly understand that they perceive we have ruled by a vote

:46:39. > :46:43.called minority of each disregarding the views of the majority and they

:46:44. > :46:47.are angry. Why is this important? Well, because so many seem to have

:46:48. > :46:51.been surprised by the Brexit vote because they failed to understand

:46:52. > :46:55.the genuine concerns of the majority. This disconnect with the

:46:56. > :46:59.electorate has been seen not just here but also in the results of the

:47:00. > :47:03.US presidential election and in the rise of far right parties throughout

:47:04. > :47:09.Europe. There can be no democracy without understanding of the views

:47:10. > :47:12.of the majority. These views must be respected, heard, and responded to

:47:13. > :47:17.by the members of this House. There has been much debate recently as to

:47:18. > :47:23.whether the referendum was mandatory or advisory. And the relative

:47:24. > :47:30.authorities of the Government, the legislature and the judiciary. As I

:47:31. > :47:34.said earlier I'm not a lawyer. But I fail to understand how one can ask

:47:35. > :47:35.the electorate a question and then even consider disregarding the

:47:36. > :47:48.result. I believe that the referendum is an

:47:49. > :48:06.instruction to us. We asked the people and they set 80 honourable

:48:07. > :48:09.and right Honourable members want to contribute to in consequence of

:48:10. > :48:18.which it is necessary with immediate effect to impose a time limit. I

:48:19. > :48:23.would add I'm trying to ensure that everybody has a chance on who have

:48:24. > :48:37.already had the opportunity. What was said to the house is that it

:48:38. > :48:51.those word to refrain self restraint might increase, and I'm sure all

:48:52. > :49:03.congratulating the new member on an excellent maiden speech and I'm sure

:49:04. > :49:07.she will do if that was was anything to go by. We now have a challenge

:49:08. > :49:12.for this whole house over what we do over the next two years and whether

:49:13. > :49:20.that strengthens our democracy, or whether it weakens it. Over the last

:49:21. > :49:26.40 years Britain has worked with the EU, but we have done so by sharing

:49:27. > :49:35.sovereignty because one we went into the European Union, or the 1970s, we

:49:36. > :49:42.also had public consent, popular consent expressed through a

:49:43. > :49:54.referendum. Last summer and that should be a lesson to all of those

:49:55. > :50:04.of us who wanted to keep honourable member for Tatton, but on whether we

:50:05. > :50:11.should have done more. We could not make the and we took for granted too

:50:12. > :51:29.many of the the need for politics to In Pontefract, the home of the very

:51:30. > :51:35.first secret ballot, we still have the first ballot box and we see it

:51:36. > :51:41.as a symbol of peaceful democracy of asking people to be part of that

:51:42. > :51:45.democratic process. That democratic process does not end with the

:51:46. > :51:48.Article 50 vote and that is my concern about the Government's

:51:49. > :51:55.approach. That what they are trying to do is to concentrate power in the

:51:56. > :51:58.hands of the executive, when in fact we should be involving all of

:51:59. > :52:02.Parliament and involving the public in the debate about what kind of

:52:03. > :52:06.country we want to be about where our future lies. There will be

:52:07. > :52:10.issues we will disagree on where I feel strongly, for example, that we

:52:11. > :52:14.should stay inside the customs union because that will help our

:52:15. > :52:18.manufacturing for the future. On issues, for example, about the

:52:19. > :52:22.rights for EU citizens who live here already who we should not be leaving

:52:23. > :52:27.hanging in the lurch while we start negotiations when we could put them

:52:28. > :52:31.on a surer footing straightaway. There will be issues about how we

:52:32. > :52:35.balance so many different things, about how we get our security right,

:52:36. > :52:40.that we need to debate here in this House. But at the moment the process

:52:41. > :52:46.that the Government has set out does not give us the secure opportunities

:52:47. > :52:50.to have votes, to have debates, to ensure that we will not be left at

:52:51. > :52:53.the end of this process with what the Prime Minister has described as

:52:54. > :52:58.her way to change the British economic model if we don't get what

:52:59. > :53:02.we like, which sounds from this side of the House far more like a tax

:53:03. > :53:06.haven Britain that would undermine people's writes and undermined the

:53:07. > :53:10.kind of British values that we want to stand up for. And so, therefore,

:53:11. > :53:13.I would urge members on all sides of the House, not just to look at the

:53:14. > :53:20.array of amendments we have got, not just to decide how we respect the

:53:21. > :53:23.referendum result last summer, how we respect the different views of

:53:24. > :53:28.our constituents, and people will have strongly held views on all

:53:29. > :53:32.sides, but also how we, all of us from all sides of the House, vote

:53:33. > :53:35.for the kinds of amendments that will ensure that Parliamentary

:53:36. > :53:39.sovereignty is strengthened and that Parliament has a say. I would urge

:53:40. > :53:43.members on the opposite side to vote for some of those amendments to make

:53:44. > :53:46.sure we have a real vote on the final outcome, that we have real

:53:47. > :53:51.choices that we can make. So much of this has been about how we defend

:53:52. > :53:55.democracy by voting for Article 50. It should not be about that, it

:53:56. > :53:59.should be about how we strengthen democracy over the next two years.

:54:00. > :54:02.If this was about Parliamentary sovereignty for all of us, let us

:54:03. > :54:10.have the strength and the confidence to use it. Whittingdale. It is a

:54:11. > :54:18.pleasure to follow the right honourable lady. I didn't agree with

:54:19. > :54:23.with everything she said, but I agree with her congratulations to

:54:24. > :54:26.the honourable member. She made an excellent first speech and it is

:54:27. > :54:31.probably the case she will never speak in a more important debate in

:54:32. > :54:36.this house, no matter that she I am sure will have a long career here

:54:37. > :54:43.ahead of her. My first political act was to take part in the referendum

:54:44. > :54:47.campaign in 1975. I put leaflets through doors, calling on people to

:54:48. > :54:51.vote yes in that referendum. I did so because I believed in free trade

:54:52. > :54:54.and because I believed the assurances which were written on

:54:55. > :54:59.those leaflets that the decision taken would not affect the

:55:00. > :55:02.sovereignty of the UK Parliament. I was working for Margaret Thatcher

:55:03. > :55:06.when she first delivered the Bruges speech which highlighted the fact

:55:07. > :55:10.that that assurance was being steadily eroded and that the

:55:11. > :55:14.European Community was heading in the wrong direction and as a result

:55:15. > :55:21.of that when I entered this house I oppose the Maastricht Treaty as well

:55:22. > :55:26.as other treaties because it was becoming steadily clearer that was

:55:27. > :55:30.there may or may not have been economic benefits from our

:55:31. > :55:33.membership, this was a political project heading in one direction and

:55:34. > :55:38.that was towards the ever closer union. It was a project on which

:55:39. > :55:42.British people had not been consulted and which they did not

:55:43. > :55:45.support. I hope the Prime Minister David Cameron would have been able

:55:46. > :55:49.to negotiate an arrangement which allowed us to opt out from the

:55:50. > :55:53.elements we didn't want. He valiantly tried, but what he came

:55:54. > :56:04.back within my view was not sufficient and left us with no

:56:05. > :56:09.alternative. The result of the referendum was clear. In my own

:56:10. > :56:17.constituency was nearly two to one. It doesn't matter that the majority

:56:18. > :56:22.of younger people voted to remain, or people with degrees voted to

:56:23. > :56:27.remain in some parts of the UK voted to remain. This was a nationwide

:56:28. > :56:30.referendum and the British people spoke. I agree with Prime Minister

:56:31. > :56:34.that we have no alternative but to be the single market as it is

:56:35. > :56:39.essential that we have control over our borders once what we are no

:56:40. > :56:45.longer subject to European law. I really am sorry, but it is very

:56:46. > :56:49.brief. I also believe that we had to leave the customs union if the

:56:50. > :56:59.condition that remaining in it is that we are not able to negotiate

:57:00. > :57:03.our own trade agreements. I will point out that the new arrangements

:57:04. > :57:08.between the European Union and Canada and between the European

:57:09. > :57:11.Union and Ukraine offered no application of European law in those

:57:12. > :57:15.countries, no free movement, but does give them access to the

:57:16. > :57:19.internal market and allows them to negotiate their own trade agreement.

:57:20. > :57:24.So the European Union is ultimately flexible and it is perfectly

:57:25. > :57:29.possible the negotiations will be complicated. I'm concerned in the

:57:30. > :57:33.areas I follow, for instance, we must have recognition of the

:57:34. > :57:39.adequacy of our data protection soap data can continue to flow across

:57:40. > :57:44.borders. I do believe that for European businesses it is vitally

:57:45. > :57:48.important for them that they still have access to our markets and

:57:49. > :57:52.therefore they will be putting pressure on their governments to

:57:53. > :57:56.reach a sensible deal. The one thing I found most astonishing is when

:57:57. > :58:01.Britain voted as it did to leave the European Union, the reaction of

:58:02. > :58:05.other member states seems to be more to punish Britain than to ask the

:58:06. > :58:19.question why. The European Union is a flawed... Geoffrey Robinson. Thank

:58:20. > :58:21.you, Mr Speaker, I will be brief. We've had remarkable contributions,

:58:22. > :58:27.there are two particular from yesterday I want to refer to fund

:58:28. > :58:30.the former Deputy Prime Minister and the right honourable gentleman the

:58:31. > :58:42.member for Rushcliffe. He has just left the Chamber and is not here to

:58:43. > :58:51.hear my remarks. I will be voting to night and we should examine our

:58:52. > :58:56.consciences. I voted for, argued for every menfolk. We lost it and we

:58:57. > :59:02.have to face the consequences of it in a way that both the former Deputy

:59:03. > :59:06.Prime Minister and the right honourable gentleman the member for

:59:07. > :59:10.Rushcliffe feel we should not. We should examine our consciences and

:59:11. > :59:14.the member for Doncaster nor said it is a conscience issue and to some

:59:15. > :59:19.extent I regret we are voting on this on a three line whip. It is a

:59:20. > :59:25.moral conscience issue we all have to take. I have more difficulty in

:59:26. > :59:32.justifying my conscience if I were tonight to vote against the bill and

:59:33. > :59:36.in favour if effectively delaying a frustrating the beginning of

:59:37. > :59:40.negotiations the outcome. The whole process of coming out of the

:59:41. > :59:44.European Union. You only have to reread what the referendum question

:59:45. > :59:49.was. It is so simple. Should the United Kingdom remain a member of

:59:50. > :59:53.the European union or leave the European Union. There are no ifs or

:59:54. > :59:58.buts, is a simple question that was understood by everyone who took part

:59:59. > :00:04.in that referendum. It is no good now turning round saying, we should

:00:05. > :00:10.have a second referendum and all those things. I campaigned widely,

:00:11. > :00:22.but only in the West Midlands, strongly on a remain ticket. I went

:00:23. > :00:33.out of my way to warn the Leavers what would happen. There will be no

:00:34. > :00:38.further bout of the cherry if we did not like the outcome. It's a matter

:00:39. > :00:42.of conscience if we are on the remain site and we built on the

:00:43. > :00:46.remain issue that we should act of conscience vote against the bill. On

:00:47. > :00:53.the contrary I don't believe there is conceivable material than ever

:00:54. > :00:59.doing so. To do so would betray the bases on which we conduct ourselves.

:01:00. > :01:06.All members actively taking part in the referendum spoke. So how can

:01:07. > :01:15.this house be involved in all influence the negotiations? In my

:01:16. > :01:20.experience, it is unreal. We have to get real about it. The issues will

:01:21. > :01:30.become clearer, choices will become clearer once we are in the

:01:31. > :01:37.negotiations. The former Chancellor brings great advice and says perhaps

:01:38. > :01:44.economics should be a big issue of the negotiations. The outcome on the

:01:45. > :01:47.economic front is the essence of what this is about as far as the

:01:48. > :01:54.working people in this country are concerned. My advice is soft Brexit

:01:55. > :01:58.and a transition period. Anything else will predict a future which

:01:59. > :02:03.will be really harsh and uncomfortable for the working people

:02:04. > :02:07.of this country. As I said yesterday, perhaps I can be forgiven

:02:08. > :02:13.for repeating it today. It will be appreciated if people stopped coming

:02:14. > :02:19.up to the chair, either asking when they will be called orderings are

:02:20. > :02:24.implicitly by enquiring whether it is OK for them to go to lunch, go to

:02:25. > :02:30.the toilet or it a biscuit. It is not necessary. All I will say is

:02:31. > :02:32.patience. Please be patient. I want to accommodate everyone, I am on

:02:33. > :02:36.your side, but it doesn't help if people keep coming up to the chair,

:02:37. > :02:49.especially when people are I understand we have to accept the

:02:50. > :02:55.outcome of democratic elections however narrow the outcome. I have

:02:56. > :02:58.to admit I was surprised by the leave result in the West Midlands

:02:59. > :03:03.given the region is in substantial trade surplus with the EU. Of course

:03:04. > :03:07.I'm delighted that the automotive industry has achieved so much

:03:08. > :03:12.success that it exports 82% of all of its cars and most of those to the

:03:13. > :03:15.other 27 countries of the EU. But it was immigration which dominated the

:03:16. > :03:21.conversations I had, even standing outside the gates of the car

:03:22. > :03:24.factory. No distinction was made between EU and non-EU migration

:03:25. > :03:29.which we now account for about 50% each. I worry that our electors

:03:30. > :03:35.expect taking back control to mean very few migrants arrive here.

:03:36. > :03:40.Whereas, how his three as an empire means there are family obligations

:03:41. > :03:43.to non-EU migrants and an absolute obligation through the Geneva and

:03:44. > :03:46.Hague conventions to provide safe haven for the most vulnerable

:03:47. > :03:53.people, many from different countries from which we drew the

:03:54. > :03:55.lines on a map. I heard mixed motors for voting leave, some

:03:56. > :04:02.second-generation migrants told me they didn't want more coming in. --

:04:03. > :04:06.motives. There will be uncharted waters negotiating things that will

:04:07. > :04:10.be vital for success, access to our principal market is key and the car

:04:11. > :04:13.industry is desperately short of engineers as its success would be

:04:14. > :04:17.choked if we can't get the skilled labour it needs. If we are honest

:04:18. > :04:21.migrants are more willing to do some jobs such as picking fruit and

:04:22. > :04:25.vegetables. A spring onion producer told me he can't rely on local

:04:26. > :04:29.labour to get the harvest in. So he must make sure horticulture is not

:04:30. > :04:33.destroyed by taking back control without being able to meet demand

:04:34. > :04:37.for labour. These aren't easy things to say in public but we are about to

:04:38. > :04:41.make a momentous decision and as the Prime Minister says we've got to

:04:42. > :04:44.make success of it. That in turn will only be achieved if we are

:04:45. > :04:49.honest about some of the problems we face. I am no starry eyed Europhile.

:04:50. > :04:54.The political leadership in Europe failed to inspire its citizens about

:04:55. > :04:56.the benefits of working together and other countries are seeing the rise

:04:57. > :05:00.of the extreme right parties who promised to solve their problems.

:05:01. > :05:03.This goes wider than Europe and the leadership of the rich nations

:05:04. > :05:09.around the world are struggling to find the answers to globalisation.

:05:10. > :05:13.In America Obama tried to extend health care to the poorest and here

:05:14. > :05:17.we have the introduction of the Living Wage. But maybe it is to

:05:18. > :05:21.places like Scandinavia we need to look for better models of wage

:05:22. > :05:25.equality and fairness in society. These are the big question is left

:05:26. > :05:29.when we exit the European Union and we will need to answer them in our

:05:30. > :05:34.own way. I expect the EU will change after we are gone because it must

:05:35. > :05:39.collectively try to find answers to the big questions of globalisation,

:05:40. > :05:43.mass migration and robotics. But in contrast to the US with decided to

:05:44. > :05:47.turn outward, not inward, partly because we have teeth, and because

:05:48. > :05:53.our heritage is one of trade and exploration. -- have two. I hope the

:05:54. > :05:57.electorate will be patient but they will judge our efforts by their

:05:58. > :06:01.experience, not on our rhetoric. I hope that all that is great about

:06:02. > :06:05.Britain is not sacrificed in pursuit of an unrealistic ambition to go

:06:06. > :06:14.back to some mythical time when we were in control of all we surveyed.

:06:15. > :06:18.SPEAKER: Tim Farron. Mr Speaker, she is not in her place now but I want

:06:19. > :06:21.to pay tribute to an excellent maiden speech by the Honourable

:06:22. > :06:26.member for Sleaford and North Hykeham. The Liberal Democrats have

:06:27. > :06:30.always been proud internationalists, it was the Liberals who backed

:06:31. > :06:34.Winston Churchill's European vision in the 1950s, even when his own

:06:35. > :06:38.party did not do so. Since our foundation we have been champions of

:06:39. > :06:41.Britain Buzz in the European Union for cooperation and openness with

:06:42. > :06:47.our neighbours and with our allies. We have always believed the charges

:06:48. > :06:52.Briton faces in the 21st-century, climate change, terrorism, economic

:06:53. > :06:56.instability are best tackled working together as a member of the European

:06:57. > :07:00.Union. Been proud Europeans is part of our identity as a party and

:07:01. > :07:05.actually part of my personal identity too. I was utterly gutted

:07:06. > :07:09.by the result personally. Some on the centre-left are squeamish about

:07:10. > :07:13.patriotism, I am not, I am proud of my identity as a northerner, English

:07:14. > :07:17.man, Brit and a European, all of those things are consistent. My

:07:18. > :07:21.identity did not change on the 24th of June and neither did my values,

:07:22. > :07:25.beliefs and what I believe is right for this country and for future

:07:26. > :07:29.generations. I respect the outcome of the referendum. The vote was

:07:30. > :07:33.clear, close but clear, and I accept it. But voting for departure is not

:07:34. > :07:39.the same as voting for a destination. Will you give way? A

:07:40. > :07:43.narrow majority voted to leave the EU but the Leave campaign had no

:07:44. > :07:46.plans, no instructions, no prospectus and no vision. No one in

:07:47. > :07:50.this government, no one in this House, no one in this country has

:07:51. > :07:54.any idea what the deal the Prime Minister will negotiate with Europe

:07:55. > :07:59.will be. It is completely unknown. How, then, can anyone pretend that

:08:00. > :08:03.this undiscussed, unwritten, a negotiated deal in anyway has the

:08:04. > :08:07.backing of the British people? The deal must be put to the British

:08:08. > :08:12.people for them to have their say. That is the only way to hold the

:08:13. > :08:17.government to account for the monumental decisions they will have

:08:18. > :08:20.to take over the next two years. Will you give way?

:08:21. > :08:24.I thank the Honourable member for giving way. Does he not think his

:08:25. > :08:26.party is partly responsible for the outcome of referendum because

:08:27. > :08:31.immigration became a proxy for issues like the pressure on the NHS

:08:32. > :08:35.and inability to see a doctor, the inability to get into the right

:08:36. > :08:39.class sizes because of the policies his party supported, the squeeze

:08:40. > :08:43.public services and met people looked for somebody else to blame.

:08:44. > :08:46.I'm staggered the honourable gentleman is speaking the language

:08:47. > :08:52.of Nigel Farage, what a terrible disgrace. How dare you!? The deal

:08:53. > :08:58.must be put to the British people for them to have their say. That is

:08:59. > :09:00.the only way. The only way to hold the Government to account, for the

:09:01. > :09:03.monumental decisions they will have monumental decisions they will have

:09:04. > :09:08.to take over the next two years, to ensure that the cause they choose

:09:09. > :09:13.serves the interest of all the people, however they voted. So here

:09:14. > :09:20.is... I will not take any more interventions, other people need to

:09:21. > :09:25.get in. Here is the likelihood we will have 48% of people not liking

:09:26. > :09:28.the outcome of the deal and half of the 52% will feel they were betrayed

:09:29. > :09:33.by the outcome of the deal. The only way to achieve democracy and closure

:09:34. > :09:36.is for there to be a vote at the end. Because, the fact is the Prime

:09:37. > :09:40.Minister is the one making the strongest case for giving people a

:09:41. > :09:44.vote on the deal. She had the choice to pursue a form of Brexit that

:09:45. > :09:49.united our country, that reflected the closeness of the vote and sought

:09:50. > :09:54.to heal the divisions between Leave and Remain but instead she chose to

:09:55. > :09:58.follow the hardest most divisive form of Brexit tearing us out of the

:09:59. > :10:01.Single Market, leaving us isolated against the might of world

:10:02. > :10:06.superpowers. Never mind six months ago she herself argued the case for

:10:07. > :10:09.remaining in the EU, never mind the numerous campaigners who championed

:10:10. > :10:13.in Norway and Swiss models and spent the referendum campaign assuring

:10:14. > :10:17.voters we would not leave the Single Market. Never mind the 40% of

:10:18. > :10:21.people, 16 million British people, wanted to stay in the EU. Never mind

:10:22. > :10:26.that Britain Buzz and people who have more of a stake in our country

:10:27. > :10:29.than most of us here voted three to one to remain. The Prime Minister

:10:30. > :10:34.has made her choice. Fine, she has chosen hard Brexit -- Britain's

:10:35. > :10:37.young people. But if you so confident what she is planning is

:10:38. > :10:40.what people voted for she must give them a vote on a final deal. What

:10:41. > :10:45.started with democracy must not end up with a government stitch up. When

:10:46. > :10:49.all is said and done the decision on whether the deal the Prime Minister

:10:50. > :10:54.negotiates is good enough will be decided by someone. Someone will

:10:55. > :10:57.make that decision. Should it be the Prime Minister? Should it be those

:10:58. > :11:01.privileged to be here, or should it be the British people who have to

:11:02. > :11:05.live with that decision? I say it should be put to the people in a

:11:06. > :11:08.referendum. That is why the Liberal Democrats are fighting for the

:11:09. > :11:15.British people to have the final vote on a deal this government

:11:16. > :11:20.negotiates. Give way! Democracy... Democracy... Democracy means

:11:21. > :11:23.accepting the will of the people. At the beginning of the process and at

:11:24. > :11:27.the end of the process. Democracy means respecting the majority and

:11:28. > :11:34.democracy means not giving up your beliefs when the going gets tough.

:11:35. > :11:37.Thank you very much, Mr Speaker, always a pleasure to follow the

:11:38. > :11:40.honourable gentleman, he speaks with passion always but I can't put it

:11:41. > :11:44.squarely on the table I will never vote for another referendum while I

:11:45. > :11:47.am in this House given what we experienced last year. I agree with

:11:48. > :11:53.those who have said this is a conscience vote, we asked the people

:11:54. > :11:56.what they want to do, they said leave and as far as I'm concerned

:11:57. > :12:00.that settled the matter and I will of course vote for the Bill this

:12:01. > :12:03.evening. I want to make three quick points, Mr Speaker. The first is

:12:04. > :12:08.that I believe the Prime Minister deserves personal credit for her

:12:09. > :12:10.leadership on Brexit since she emerged last July. Cast our minds

:12:11. > :12:14.back to the extraordinary events of last summer, we were shell-shocked

:12:15. > :12:19.not knowing where the public vote would take us. Brexit means Brexit,

:12:20. > :12:23.she said, and we are going to make a success of it, that phrase much

:12:24. > :12:27.mocked in some quarters, gave a sufficient sense of direction to

:12:28. > :12:30.steady the ship. It became apparent by January that we then needed a

:12:31. > :12:34.more detailed plan and that just the right time the Prime Minister gave

:12:35. > :12:39.her Lancaster house speech. It set out a clear, coherent and credible

:12:40. > :12:46.plan for the way forward. It was one of the most significant speeches

:12:47. > :12:49.I've heard in my 25 years in this House, it was a game changer for me

:12:50. > :12:53.and for many people. The plan is ambitious and not without risk, and

:12:54. > :12:56.in particular we will be leaving the Single Market, turning our backs on

:12:57. > :13:01.free movement but seeking to negotiate a free trade agreement.

:13:02. > :13:04.That is a high-risk strategy. But I recognise that to remain in the

:13:05. > :13:08.Single Market would not properly reflect the desire of the majority

:13:09. > :13:12.who voted to leave to control immigration. It is, however, vital

:13:13. > :13:17.that in putting in place a bespoke free-trade agreement that is

:13:18. > :13:21.successfully completed as part of the overall deal. The one fear that

:13:22. > :13:26.companies in my constituency have is not so much tariffs, bad though they

:13:27. > :13:30.might be, but it is nontariff barriers which can play havoc with

:13:31. > :13:36.sensible trading arrangements that must be avoided if at all possible.

:13:37. > :13:39.Now, one part of the Lancaster House speech has received insufficient

:13:40. > :13:42.attention. The reference to transitional arrangements. I know

:13:43. > :13:47.that there are some, and some in this chamber, or think this can all

:13:48. > :13:52.be done in the blinking of an eye but it is complex, it will take

:13:53. > :13:54.years and we have to exercise patience. Once we studied at

:13:55. > :14:00.negotiations we should start to consider which parts we want to keep

:14:01. > :14:04.and which we want to ditch, we are probably looking at a 10-year

:14:05. > :14:08.project, Mr Speaker. We might well leave the EU in 2019 but we should

:14:09. > :14:12.prepare ourselves substantial transitional arrangements and hope

:14:13. > :14:16.that after for a positive working relationship. My second point, we

:14:17. > :14:21.should now be brutally honest with the British people about the likely

:14:22. > :14:25.short-term impact of Brexit. Not in an alarmist way but simply making

:14:26. > :14:28.the point that because of uncertainty, because we have now

:14:29. > :14:31.made clear that we will not be in the Single Market, there is likely

:14:32. > :14:35.to be an impact on government spending for the next few years. We

:14:36. > :14:39.know that tax receipts have fallen against forecasts since June and

:14:40. > :14:44.that trend may well continue. It may well be that there will be long-term

:14:45. > :14:49.gains of Brexit. I certainly hope so and we must strive for that end. But

:14:50. > :14:56.there will most likely be short-term pain, especially now the phoney war

:14:57. > :14:59.is coming to an end. International companies will weigh the certain

:15:00. > :15:01.knowledge that we are leaving the Single Market against the hope of a

:15:02. > :15:06.free-trade agreement and some of them have crunched back of volition

:15:07. > :15:08.and will decide to invest or expand elsewhere. Some financial

:15:09. > :15:13.institutions are already getting itchy feet. So there might be not as

:15:14. > :15:18.much money available for the NHS and social care and schools as we would

:15:19. > :15:22.like to see over the next 2-5 years and we should prepare the British

:15:23. > :15:28.people for that fact. My final point very briefly is that living in these

:15:29. > :15:32.very turbulent times when all kinds of issues are going on in our world

:15:33. > :15:36.I would encourage the front bench, the negotiators, we have got a clear

:15:37. > :15:40.plan but don't be slavish to it, let's be flexible and wise. It is

:15:41. > :15:45.with great pleasure that I rise to speak in this debate on this

:15:46. > :15:49.historic day for Parliament and for this country. None of us who believe

:15:50. > :15:53.in withdrawal from the European Union believed we would ever see an

:15:54. > :15:56.order paper in this House containing the words European Union

:15:57. > :16:00.Notification of Withdrawal Bill Second Reading, and I think it is a

:16:01. > :16:04.very historic landmark occasion. It is about incrementing a decision

:16:05. > :16:09.which this Parliament decided to hand over to the people. It would be

:16:10. > :16:13.utterly wrong, therefore, to reject what the people of the United

:16:14. > :16:19.Kingdom have decided in a national vote. I utterly respect those who

:16:20. > :16:22.have spoken. We campaigned hard, enthusiastically and vigorously to

:16:23. > :16:26.Remain. But we are saying we must respect the will of the people since

:16:27. > :16:29.Parliament handed that decision over to the people. I have little time

:16:30. > :16:34.for those who argue that we should now engage in procedural games, that

:16:35. > :16:39.we should engage in means of supporting the will of the people. I

:16:40. > :16:42.think it's dishonest, I think it's undemocratic. I have to agree with

:16:43. > :16:45.what the leader of the Liberal Democrats just said about believing

:16:46. > :16:49.in democracy and listening to the will of the people, let's get on and

:16:50. > :16:53.implement what the people have said. And let us not engage in efforts to

:16:54. > :16:57.thwart what they have said. This was a national vote across the United

:16:58. > :17:00.Kingdom. Everybody's vote was equal. I want to address the issues that

:17:01. > :17:09.affect Northern Ireland particularly because it has been said that

:17:10. > :17:11.Northern Ireland voted to remain by 56-44, and therefore Northern

:17:12. > :17:14.Ireland should not be part of those withdrawal from the EU or should

:17:15. > :17:17.have special status. I could think of nothing that would be more

:17:18. > :17:21.calculator to undermine the union between Northern Ireland and the

:17:22. > :17:24.rest of the United Kingdom than for Northern Ireland to be able to

:17:25. > :17:29.thwart the will of the people of the United Kingdom as a whole. That

:17:30. > :17:34.would be deeply anti-unionist position to take. I think it is

:17:35. > :17:38.right and proper that we respect the special needs of Northern Ireland.

:17:39. > :17:42.They argue vigorously with government, they are engaged with

:17:43. > :17:45.this House through ministers back home, and that is why I deplore the

:17:46. > :17:50.fact that at this crucial juncture we have had the bringing down of our

:17:51. > :17:53.locally devolved assembly and executive needlessly, and the people

:17:54. > :17:56.who brought it down the very people who are now making speeches saying

:17:57. > :18:02.Brexit undermines the Good Agreement. Thankfully the Secretary

:18:03. > :18:04.of State for Northern Ireland has completely demolished that argument

:18:05. > :18:07.ad made it clear there is nothing in the Good Friday Agreement, the Saint

:18:08. > :18:12.Andrew agreement, or any of the agreements made that in any way is

:18:13. > :18:16.impaired or imperilled by the sit, the decision to leave the European

:18:17. > :18:19.Union. For those complaining the hardest about Northern Ireland they

:18:20. > :18:23.have denied themselves a voice by not coming to the House to take the

:18:24. > :18:28.seats and engage with ministers and have now dropped down out of the

:18:29. > :18:33.elected government in Northern Ireland and don't have input that

:18:34. > :18:36.way either. The reality is that of course this presents challenges for

:18:37. > :18:40.Northern Ireland, but the fact is that when we remained in sterling

:18:41. > :18:43.and the Irish Republic joined the euro along with other European

:18:44. > :18:47.partner nations and states, we were told that this would hear massively

:18:48. > :18:51.detrimental act, that this would cause all sorts of major problems on

:18:52. > :18:56.the island of Ireland, this would lead to all sorts of disruption,

:18:57. > :19:00.economic and political. Nunavut happened. People adapted. People

:19:01. > :19:03.were told we would have to change currency at the border. There is a

:19:04. > :19:07.different currency in Northern Ireland from the Irish Republic but

:19:08. > :19:11.trade continues, trade is flourishing, the economy has gone on

:19:12. > :19:15.and done extremely well. None of the dire predictions of those who

:19:16. > :19:19.predicted terrible consequences came to pass. I am confident that in

:19:20. > :19:24.relation to this issue as well that we will see a better future for the

:19:25. > :19:28.United Kingdom and for Northern Ireland. I welcome very much the

:19:29. > :19:31.Prime Minister's commitment to maintaining the Common Travel Area,

:19:32. > :19:36.I reject the idea of a special status for Northern Ireland. I am

:19:37. > :19:39.glad the Taoiseach also rejects it because it is code for separating

:19:40. > :19:40.Northern Ireland from the rest of the U United Kingdom and undermining

:19:41. > :19:51.both. This is the moment we begin to take

:19:52. > :19:57.back control of our laws, our borders and our money. Once again we

:19:58. > :20:03.be come a sovereign state in charge of our own destiny and I am

:20:04. > :20:09.delighted about that. I was brought up in post-war Germany. I campaigned

:20:10. > :20:21.to leave in the 1975 referendum and along with 45 others, I voted

:20:22. > :20:26.against a single European act in 19 76. I have form. I am the last

:20:27. > :20:29.remaining member of that band. So although Margaret Thatcher pushed

:20:30. > :20:41.that Bill, I have no doubt if she was whether today, her response to

:20:42. > :20:46.that bill would BB Joyce. -- Joyce. I salute also David Cameron for

:20:47. > :20:48.honouring the commitments he gave the British people that he would

:20:49. > :20:52.give them a referendum on the membership of the EU. Many said he

:20:53. > :20:57.would renege on that, he kept his word. That referendum was not

:20:58. > :21:06.advisory. It was an instruction to withdraw from the European Union.

:21:07. > :21:12.This bill simply authorises an notice to leave. They are the same

:21:13. > :21:18.people who for four decades have been complicit in the relentless

:21:19. > :21:23.campaign to transfer power from this Parliament to Brussels. Does my

:21:24. > :21:28.honourable friend not agree having asked the people to give us their

:21:29. > :21:33.voice, we now need to respect that voice and get on with it? Absolutely

:21:34. > :21:39.and I think there is an overwhelming view not only in this House but

:21:40. > :21:43.across the country for that proposition. And number of speeches

:21:44. > :21:49.during this debate, principally yesterday, have rerun the referendum

:21:50. > :21:56.arguments. The government spent ?9 million of money on a brochure

:21:57. > :22:05.riddled with inaccuracies and and amounted an extraordinary and

:22:06. > :22:07.counter if fear campaign warning of desire # dire consequences if we

:22:08. > :22:10.leave, none of which have come to Baz. My right honourable friend,

:22:11. > :22:17.predicted profound economic shock across the country. A DIY recession,

:22:18. > :22:29.nine of which happen. The economy has grown by 0.6%. Major companies

:22:30. > :22:34.like Google, Nordisk and Nissan have announced significant investment in

:22:35. > :22:38.the United Kingdom. Some have argued that the public was not told that

:22:39. > :22:42.leave vote would require us to leave the single market. But recovering

:22:43. > :22:45.control of our borders and restoring to this Parliament the

:22:46. > :22:49.responsibility for the laws of the silence, a return of sovereignty,

:22:50. > :22:53.was at the heart of the debate. Membership of the single market is

:22:54. > :22:58.completely compatible with those objectives as Mike honourable friend

:22:59. > :23:04.said yesterday, if people knew what they were voting for and it is

:23:05. > :23:09.patronising to suggest otherwise. Some suggest that the validity of

:23:10. > :23:17.referendum of over 23 million people voted is in doubt. It never troubled

:23:18. > :23:29.in when Tory Blair secured a majority. We are leaving and they

:23:30. > :23:33.will be no second referendum. Mr Speaker, we undoubtedly face

:23:34. > :23:38.challenges ahead. But don't let's kid ourselves there would have been

:23:39. > :23:45.major challenges if the United Kingdom had voted to remain. And

:23:46. > :23:49.there are 70 billion reasons why our EU partners will want to reach a

:23:50. > :23:52.mutually beneficial trade deal with us because they have a ?70 billion

:23:53. > :23:57.surplus with us. I hope this country who are in large part or their

:23:58. > :24:01.liberation from the Soviet Union to the Conservative Government of

:24:02. > :24:05.Margaret Thatcher will respect our decision and help us forge a new

:24:06. > :24:09.constructive relationship and I hope the same will apply to those whom we

:24:10. > :24:15.helped rebuild after the Second World War. And free from the EU

:24:16. > :24:18.customs union we will be able to embrace the world, negotiate trade

:24:19. > :24:26.deals with the Commonwealth friends, encouraging fraid tear -- fair trade

:24:27. > :24:32.deals. It will be hard graft. The US may be our closest ally but

:24:33. > :24:40.commercially they'll be no pushover. The EU is determined to create a EU

:24:41. > :24:53.defence policy. It poses a direct threat to European security, Nato,

:24:54. > :25:00.and risks... I have been a member of this House for almost seven years

:25:01. > :25:04.and rarely have I spoken on a bill of such great importance, not just

:25:05. > :25:09.to the country in Scotland, but to my own constituents. It is a great

:25:10. > :25:12.pleasure to follow the honourable gentleman from Aldershot. It is

:25:13. > :25:16.right that we are able in this House to express those views on the Avenue

:25:17. > :25:20.of constituents and the country. If that what taking back control is

:25:21. > :25:25.about, let's talk about that democratic process, because we're

:25:26. > :25:29.only here today and we were only here yesterday because the public in

:25:30. > :25:33.this country were able to take this government to court to express their

:25:34. > :25:37.railroading a decision in this railroading a decision in this

:25:38. > :25:40.without the taking back the promised without the taking back the

:25:41. > :25:44.to this Parliament. And we should to this Parliament. And we should

:25:45. > :25:48.pay tribute to them that we are here able to make these arguments on the

:25:49. > :25:52.half of our constituents. I campaigned vigorously for a remain

:25:53. > :25:57.thought like many members and honourable members on this chip.

:25:58. > :26:08.Someone who campaigned me -- save me was one of my party members, Gordon

:26:09. > :26:17.die L. If I can pay tribute to Tam. Our thoughts are with the family.

:26:18. > :26:20.The reason why I campaigned so further assist the Risley for the UK

:26:21. > :26:23.to remain a member of the European Union is because it is an our

:26:24. > :26:29.national interest to do so. I was tramping around the streets of my

:26:30. > :26:34.constituency and 2010 and 2015, I was not promising my constituents

:26:35. > :26:37.that I was elected to this House, I would do everything I can to make

:26:38. > :26:40.their lives poorer. The new Chancellor of the Exchequer has said

:26:41. > :26:46.on the record that nobody votes to make themselves poorer. So it is

:26:47. > :26:50.incumbent on everyone on the size throughout this process, not just a

:26:51. > :26:54.railroad this bill is that this does not matter. But to fight for every

:26:55. > :27:01.single amendment on this mill, to make sure this House sends a strong

:27:02. > :27:03.message, both to the Parliament and European members, that we will get

:27:04. > :27:10.the best deal for our constituents. I will not give way because of the

:27:11. > :27:15.timescales and other people wishing to speak. At the end of that process

:27:16. > :27:18.in terms of the EU referendum, 78% of my constituents will tattoo the

:27:19. > :27:25.mean. Many arguments across the chamber in the last day or so has

:27:26. > :27:27.spoken about not respecting the will of the people, not retrospective the

:27:28. > :27:34.democratic will of the people. As far as I am concerned, we are

:27:35. > :27:37.representatives of constituents. None of these decisions in this

:27:38. > :27:42.House are taking easily. It is whether heavy heart I will vote for

:27:43. > :27:46.the triggering of Article 50 this evening. I will do so knowing that I

:27:47. > :27:52.will be to look at my constituents in the eye and say to them I have

:27:53. > :27:54.done everything I can possibly do to protect their jobs, to protect their

:27:55. > :27:59.livelihoods and to protect the future further family. But when this

:28:00. > :28:06.bill goes through as we know the bill will do, it will go through

:28:07. > :28:10.after the third reading, I will work enthusiastically to make sure we can

:28:11. > :28:14.get amendments to this bill and we can hold this government to account.

:28:15. > :28:19.Because Brexit might mean Brexit, Mr Speaker. But to my constituents and

:28:20. > :28:23.many across the country, Brexit does not mean Tony Brexit. The rhetoric

:28:24. > :28:27.we have been getting from this government is wrong and I do not

:28:28. > :28:30.think why they are fighting the people to stop this government

:28:31. > :28:36.having a say. I do not know why they are reaching out across this chamber

:28:37. > :28:39.to get a common voice to make sure that Britain can get the possible

:28:40. > :28:45.deal from our European partners. I will vote no against triggering

:28:46. > :28:51.Article 50. I will spend the rest of the time in this chamber fighting

:28:52. > :28:56.for my constituent's lives. For speaking in a vote that I never

:28:57. > :29:04.wanted to happen and vote I never wanted to cast. This summer I will

:29:05. > :29:11.have been politicians are 30 years. I think this referendum had become

:29:12. > :29:17.inevitable to. I supported David Cameron, I may have been wrong. I am

:29:18. > :29:27.in a different place. I voted for the referendum Bill believing the

:29:28. > :29:35.result would count. I argued to remain, saying we would honour the

:29:36. > :29:38.result of the referendum. If I was required as an MP to vote on the

:29:39. > :29:43.matter, we are and which I will. I am not giving up fighting. I want to

:29:44. > :29:46.see the very best for my constituents out in the new

:29:47. > :29:52.arrangements. That is why I stood for the Brexit select committee.

:29:53. > :29:56.While I work with others with the work that has then landed on this to

:29:57. > :30:00.get the best of it. I do not think it provides the best of opportunity

:30:01. > :30:08.for negotiation. The government needs an open hand. 12 amendments

:30:09. > :30:10.might help the government to retain Parliamentary support. I will fight

:30:11. > :30:14.for a negotiated settlement, watching for any sign that no deal

:30:15. > :30:20.is moving up the agenda. I want the government to be as open as possible

:30:21. > :30:24.to as many options as possible. The degree of detail to be covered is

:30:25. > :30:29.staggering, both for us and our partners and new consequences are

:30:30. > :30:31.being uncovered every day. It is way more complicated than some of

:30:32. > :30:37.conflict -- league's wanted to believe. All the consequences will

:30:38. > :30:41.not be beneficial. There is one fight I want to see an end of an

:30:42. > :30:45.which I'm calling time. I do not believe there is any realistic

:30:46. > :30:50.prospect of the UK remaining in rejoining the EU not in my lifetime

:30:51. > :30:54.in the House. I should place my support on a different footing on

:30:55. > :30:59.which recognises the reality of what we have done. I am going to work for

:31:00. > :31:02.the future prosperity of the EU, for a partnership relationship with it,

:31:03. > :31:08.for all the things we need to do together from that new position. I

:31:09. > :31:12.will defend it against those wanting to wish it further harm, those who

:31:13. > :31:22.believe further separation of the EU is worth it. I have decided I am not

:31:23. > :31:27.going to fight for the UK at present to find a quick way back into the

:31:28. > :31:35.EU. Let me be clear, I believe the decision of those who voted out was

:31:36. > :31:40.wrong. I am reconciled to Brexit. I am not yet persuaded of the wisdom

:31:41. > :31:48.of the decision. However spending the next few years reversing the

:31:49. > :31:51.decision does not seem to be in the UK's and trust. I do not want an

:31:52. > :32:00.already divided country to be more so. The national debate has become

:32:01. > :32:04.sad and dispirited. As a confirmed remain and supporter of the EU, I do

:32:05. > :32:10.not want the next generation of Conservative MPs to have the blight

:32:11. > :32:13.of this argument dogging them, their associations, their members and

:32:14. > :32:16.voters in the same way as it has dogged us. It has soured friendships

:32:17. > :32:23.and damaged relationships and I swore at a meet in the tearoom. And

:32:24. > :32:28.I am sorry. Instead, I want to work towards a new partnership with the

:32:29. > :32:34.EU which. To command every tracing support. We should aim higher than

:32:35. > :32:39.minimum support. We should look towards the vast mid-jaunty looking

:32:40. > :32:45.to support such a relationship. It is time to be proud to be British

:32:46. > :32:50.without hating the EU. I hope it helps if some of us who lost today

:32:51. > :32:53.to take that of opportunity to create something better out of what

:32:54. > :32:55.is happening. Whether heavy heart that the relationship I am looking

:32:56. > :33:05.for. Thank you. A lot has focused on

:33:06. > :33:11.process and procedure. I made a simple promise in 2015 that I would

:33:12. > :33:15.never support anything here that would damage them and their lives

:33:16. > :33:20.and children and I stand by that. I made that promise precisely because

:33:21. > :33:25.I followed the Liberal Democrat who backed Tory measures like the

:33:26. > :33:28.bedroom tax, which damaged my community, so I make that promise

:33:29. > :33:35.and stand by and hear from people day in and day out about the damage

:33:36. > :33:38.since the referendum, like the universities in my constituency who

:33:39. > :33:43.are worried about research funding from the European Union, worried

:33:44. > :33:46.about Erasmus, worried about a drop in international student numbers

:33:47. > :33:51.which could mean higher fees for British students, that was not in

:33:52. > :33:56.the referendum. I hear from many medical professionals worried about

:33:57. > :34:01.recruitment. An NHS that is not getting ?350 million a week but is

:34:02. > :34:07.struggling. They are worried about future recruitment. I hear from the

:34:08. > :34:12.financial sector. I hear from them 7000 jobs already gone, nobody voted

:34:13. > :34:17.to lose their job. I hear from importers, food importers who have

:34:18. > :34:22.seen costs rise since the referendum, costs that are being

:34:23. > :34:28.passed onto and customers. People did not vote for a higher cost for a

:34:29. > :34:35.dinner out and I hear from hotels. While tourism has gone up there are

:34:36. > :34:39.many non-E -- non-EU nationals employed and are simply not enough

:34:40. > :34:46.unemployed Londoners to fill those jobs should really. I also hear from

:34:47. > :34:49.exporters who worry about future costs of things like having to print

:34:50. > :34:56.different labels for beer bottles going into the EU market. I hear

:34:57. > :34:58.from people who are very worried about their future economic

:34:59. > :35:03.prospects, Young Conservatives support of the Conservative Party

:35:04. > :35:09.who are now politically homeless. The former Prime Minister John Major

:35:10. > :35:18.refer to the likes of them as bustards. He could not have known

:35:19. > :35:20.that has party would become a whole government who are causing problems

:35:21. > :35:26.for my constituency and for the whole country. And that the risk of

:35:27. > :35:31.offending my wand frontbenchers as well as the government front bench,

:35:32. > :35:35.I see this. My members campaigned vigorously to remain in the European

:35:36. > :35:39.Union and they deserve a front bench position that is not to sign up to

:35:40. > :35:45.the government's position and timetable. It is a disgrace. There

:35:46. > :35:49.is no need for the point of order. Can I say to the honourable member

:35:50. > :35:54.that he shouldn't have used the word he used, he tried to wrap it up in a

:35:55. > :36:00.quote but it was unseemly and undignified and he shouldn't have

:36:01. > :36:04.done it and he should apologise. While I share the sentiment I

:36:05. > :36:13.apologise if it is unparliamentary. He shouldn't do it again, has he

:36:14. > :36:16.finished? Thank you. Although he is not on the bench as I want to pay

:36:17. > :36:23.tribute to the wonderful speech from the late honourable member and my

:36:24. > :36:28.neighbour for Rushcliffe, because he shows us how it is all done. This is

:36:29. > :36:31.a short spell with huge ramifications for all of us for

:36:32. > :36:36.years to come. I campaigned like others on this site for remain but I

:36:37. > :36:40.accept the Democratic vote and we should accept the notice to be

:36:41. > :36:50.triggered. I agree with those that if we do not do that a crisis in our

:36:51. > :36:55.democracy would help no one. The Secretary of State talked about the

:36:56. > :36:58.outcome he wanted as being to agree a stronger, more united and more

:36:59. > :37:07.outward looking country. I agree with him. Negotiations must lead to

:37:08. > :37:11.that outcome and parliament must, as other colleagues have said, be

:37:12. > :37:16.involved, not just at the start of this process but throughout and

:37:17. > :37:25.particularly at the end. The manner of that vote at the end is

:37:26. > :37:29.important. I hope that we will be able to add to the Prime Minister's

:37:30. > :37:35.what's on this weather in the closing speech tonight in the course

:37:36. > :37:38.of the committee stage next week. I want to welcome the White Paper

:37:39. > :37:40.publication particularly the announcement that it will be

:37:41. > :37:44.published tomorrow. That is also very welcome. I have been clear that

:37:45. > :37:49.this bill in the White Paper which will set out the Prime Minister's 12

:37:50. > :37:56.colours are separate and should be considered as such. For me, the

:37:57. > :38:02.tests leading to a successful new relationship with the European Union

:38:03. > :38:07.are threefold. Firstly, leaving must not undermine the economy. It must

:38:08. > :38:12.not unduly affect the jobs and household finances and financial

:38:13. > :38:16.security of our constituents. I hope we will get a chance to debate that

:38:17. > :38:22.is part of the debates on the White Paper. Secondly. Leading must not

:38:23. > :38:26.undermine our Constitution. That was tested in the courts and I welcome

:38:27. > :38:30.the decision of the High Court which is upheld by the Supreme Court.

:38:31. > :38:36.Finally, it must not undermine our values as a country. The honourable

:38:37. > :38:40.member for Tottenham spoke very powerfully about values as have

:38:41. > :38:45.others on both sides of the House in the course of yesterday and today.

:38:46. > :38:49.In terms of values and upholding them, it is up to us as members of

:38:50. > :38:54.this house and to government and to ministers. I have to be honest,

:38:55. > :38:59.never in my adult life have I felt so concerned about the stability and

:39:00. > :39:04.state of the world in which we live. I have to say that with the Brexit

:39:05. > :39:09.foot we have added an extra layer of uncertainty to our world. But I want

:39:10. > :39:15.to take the Secretary of State, what he said yesterday, at his word. This

:39:16. > :39:19.is the beginning which means that this is not, to paraphrase a great

:39:20. > :39:24.former Prime Minister who believed in a united Europe, the beginning of

:39:25. > :39:25.the end, but this bill may be the end of the beginning of this Brexit

:39:26. > :39:44.process. It is indeed the case that I didn't

:39:45. > :39:48.intend to speak yesterday but as I listened to yesterday's speeches it

:39:49. > :39:51.occurred to me clearly that the House of Commons has taken leave of

:39:52. > :39:55.its senses and this happens at times. The danger is that the public

:39:56. > :40:01.trust the House of Commons at moments like this, it be House of

:40:02. > :40:06.Commons at a rat when it had left -- taken leave of its senses and during

:40:07. > :40:09.the introduction of the poll tax. Iraq currently still lies in ruins

:40:10. > :40:11.and it is at a time when the opposition unites with the

:40:12. > :40:16.government that it has particularly taken leave of its senses. I

:40:17. > :40:22.listened carefully to the honourable member, not in his place, a man who

:40:23. > :40:27.gambled with skier stories on the EU and in Scotland. In Scotland he won

:40:28. > :40:31.and the EU we lost but are we feeling Lucky? The deal is not in

:40:32. > :40:38.the guest of the UK Government. It is in the gift of 38 regional

:40:39. > :40:42.parliaments across Europe, and only EU Parliament. We have one in 67

:40:43. > :40:45.voices and we have to get that into our heads because the Prime Minister

:40:46. > :40:55.has said that no deal is better than a bad deal, but no deal means

:40:56. > :41:01.farmers, fish will be particularly affected, 12% tariffs, and people

:41:02. > :41:04.assume the House of Commons knows what it is doing but it doesn't, it

:41:05. > :41:11.is crossing its fingers and hoping for the best. Perhaps they knew what

:41:12. > :41:14.they were voting for but they certainly didn't know the

:41:15. > :41:18.destination and this house doesn't know the destination. The committee

:41:19. > :41:20.I am cheered off doesn't know the destination, the Department for

:41:21. > :41:26.trade doesn't know the Prime Minister know. The pretence that

:41:27. > :41:33.because people voted to leave the EU that they knew the destination is

:41:34. > :41:38.beyond facile. Manchester Airport group, the CBI, the Society of motor

:41:39. > :41:44.Manufacturers, the British Chamber of Commerce, the Law Society, they

:41:45. > :41:53.do not know what the destination is for the UK. The UK is currently on a

:41:54. > :41:57.precipice. I will give way. He is speaking as this is a great

:41:58. > :42:00.perception. Has he ever come across a negotiation between two parties

:42:01. > :42:06.where it was possible to predict in advance outcome? Precisely! I am

:42:07. > :42:12.grateful to him for that. He might be able to tell me, how many states

:42:13. > :42:17.of the native nations are not currently in a regional trade

:42:18. > :42:21.agreement. Anybody? You know. This gentleman knows and was unlike

:42:22. > :42:29.committee. There are only six members of the United Nations not in

:42:30. > :42:34.a regional trade agreements. Mauritania, Somalia, South Sudan,

:42:35. > :42:38.East Timor, and soon to join this illustrious group, the United

:42:39. > :42:43.Kingdom! Cross your fingers and hope that works out for the best. The UK

:42:44. > :42:49.will find itself the first time since 1960 not in a free trade

:42:50. > :42:56.agreement. Joined Nafta in 1960 and has been there since. From the House

:42:57. > :42:58.of Commons library, every member of the OCD is in a regional trade

:42:59. > :43:04.agreement and even North Korea signed up to one in 1988. The UK is

:43:05. > :43:09.boldly going where even North Korea feels to go. And if that is not

:43:10. > :43:15.giving members pause for thought, what well? The head over the edge of

:43:16. > :43:19.the cliff as they take their constituents and the poorest in

:43:20. > :43:27.society with them. Who paid for the bankers? The poorest. They will be

:43:28. > :43:31.paying for Brexit. It is crossing our fingers and is not the best deal

:43:32. > :43:36.for the UK and remember the best deal for the UK is after smashing up

:43:37. > :43:41.the Rolls-Royce, what we have with Europe now. Now we will head down to

:43:42. > :43:44.the second-hand car dealer and ask him for the best motor they have

:43:45. > :43:49.because we have thrown the Rolls-Royce to one side. We refuse

:43:50. > :43:53.to travel in the best transport possible and are now heading for the

:43:54. > :43:57.best left afterwords. This house has taken leave of its senses as it dead

:43:58. > :44:05.at a rat and the poll tax and the bedroom tax, but the people who will

:44:06. > :44:08.pay for it are not here. Members are on going to any destination as

:44:09. > :44:11.destination as long as it is leaving the EU and it is gross

:44:12. > :44:15.irresponsibility and it is only one thing that can save Scotland, and

:44:16. > :44:20.that is independence and independence very soon.

:44:21. > :44:26.I am looking forward to voting tonight and I am also looking

:44:27. > :44:30.forward to the debates taking place in this chamber going forward over

:44:31. > :44:34.the next two years on universities and education, immigration and the

:44:35. > :44:41.economy, because I feel lousy result of this referendum we as an entity

:44:42. > :44:45.are closer to the people now than we have ever been. I believe that they

:44:46. > :44:51.will be watching those debates, watching what we are talking about

:44:52. > :44:56.and that we will be responding to a mandate given to us by the people so

:44:57. > :44:59.I am looking forward to tonight. But I cannot stand here without

:45:00. > :45:06.responding to the waiter of the Liberal Democrats. He called for a

:45:07. > :45:12.second referendum. Does anybody remember the honourable member

:45:13. > :45:17.calling for the referendum in 2010? Has leaflets and posters for the

:45:18. > :45:24.party said, time for a real referendum. They also called a

:45:25. > :45:28.referendum in 2011 on alternative vote. You lost that, and the most

:45:29. > :45:34.recent referendum, you have had the best of the two time to stop calling

:45:35. > :45:39.for a referendum this. He spoke with passion in the same way he spoke

:45:40. > :45:43.with passion about tuition fees, and as we are speaking, news is

:45:44. > :45:48.breaking, that some members of the Liberal Democrats are going to

:45:49. > :45:54.abstain, some voting for run some voting against. The honourable

:45:55. > :45:57.member has divided his party of only nine MPs in a far more efficient

:45:58. > :46:07.manner than the party opposite happens. What an achievement. That

:46:08. > :46:13.brings me onto the party opposite. In 2005 and I have an even better

:46:14. > :46:18.example than my friend used, 9.5 million people voted for the party

:46:19. > :46:23.opposite, for Tony Blair to lead the government. 17.2 million voted

:46:24. > :46:29.against. More people voted for Brexit than voted for the party

:46:30. > :46:33.opposite in government in 2005. The point of that is this. Some members

:46:34. > :46:39.opposite tonight served as ministers and that government and voted for

:46:40. > :46:45.the referendum and tonight are going to vote against the result and the

:46:46. > :46:49.mandate given to them by the people. I think it is slightly rich,

:46:50. > :46:52.slightly rich that having served as a minister in a party and the

:46:53. > :46:58.government were you only achieved 9 million votes but did anybody call

:46:59. > :47:03.for a second referendum? They did not. Did anybody revert to the rule

:47:04. > :47:11.of law, because people respect in this country a democratic vote. And

:47:12. > :47:15.it is, I apologise, for an alteration in tone but it is with

:47:16. > :47:18.some dismay I woke this morning to the news that a former Prime

:47:19. > :47:21.Minister had tried to skew and influence the outcome of the

:47:22. > :47:24.referendum by attempting to have the editor of the Daily Mail removed

:47:25. > :47:31.from his post. I say with a degree of shame that a leader of this party

:47:32. > :47:35.attempted to manipulate and distort the freedom of the press, not the

:47:36. > :47:38.editor of the Guardian or the matter only paper that subscribe to his

:47:39. > :48:08.worldview but a member of the Daily Mail.

:48:09. > :48:12.For Mr Carney's inaccurate forecast. I would caution those thinking of

:48:13. > :48:14.voting against tonight to be careful what they wish for and to be careful

:48:15. > :48:15.for wishing first Africa and referendum. The people are advocates

:48:16. > :48:46.for free speech and a powerful they failed to build a

:48:47. > :48:50.British version for a reformed EU. And they failed to build a credible

:48:51. > :48:55.immigration policy with the public. They fed the beast the roared last

:48:56. > :49:01.June and we all have some responsibility in that. Then the

:49:02. > :49:06.fear of the hard right in the Conservative Party has led to prime

:49:07. > :49:09.ministers to recklessly gamble with the future of country. One called

:49:10. > :49:13.the referendum, he thought he would never lose. The other has pushed

:49:14. > :49:17.into triggering Brexit even before thinking through how it will

:49:18. > :49:24.actually happen. Weakness and incompetence, weakness and

:49:25. > :49:28.incompetence then. One lesson we should all learn is never again

:49:29. > :49:33.should a complex economic and international issue be reduced to an

:49:34. > :49:38.X Factor style competition. Last week the British government was cot

:49:39. > :49:41.acting in constitutionally by the Supreme Court when trying to use a

:49:42. > :49:49.trampy and style executive order to bypass Parliament on Brexit.

:49:50. > :49:53.Government was Mac fear of Parliament led to wasted months

:49:54. > :49:57.fighting a legal action when every MP could have been put to work

:49:58. > :50:02.helping to craft the best exit deal for the UK. Time which the Prime

:50:03. > :50:05.Minister could have used to tour the capitals of Europe to work out a

:50:06. > :50:10.physician, to build the goodwill that we will need to get us a good

:50:11. > :50:14.deal. The government is doing the bare minimum that it thinks it can

:50:15. > :50:19.get away with without being in contempt of court. It does this by

:50:20. > :50:24.bringing this tour at the size array and undernourished bill before

:50:25. > :50:31.Parliament. No apology, no white paper, no plan for leaving the EU.

:50:32. > :50:37.And we are, today, meant to meekly aid and abet this incompetence and

:50:38. > :50:39.buckled to the dog whistle threat that if MPs dare to do their job and

:50:40. > :50:44.believe in Parliamentary sovereignty, then the Ras of the

:50:45. > :50:51.social media mob and the conservative press will be unleashed

:50:52. > :50:54.against us. I ask my colleagues to actually show some strength today

:50:55. > :50:57.because this day will not repeat. This is the moment you will think of

:50:58. > :51:02.in ten years' time about what you did on this occasion. We are not

:51:03. > :51:07.voting on in or out, that is history. That has been decided. We

:51:08. > :51:11.are voting in whether we believe this government are ready to trigger

:51:12. > :51:18.leaving when clearly they are not. The emperor has no White Paper.

:51:19. > :51:22.Let's take heart from the judges who stood firm in doing their duty,

:51:23. > :51:29.despite the enemies of the evil media headlines. Let's take heart

:51:30. > :51:37.from Jean Miller, and individual citizens who felt government to

:51:38. > :51:45.account, acting with... Yes, we should vote for a bill authorising

:51:46. > :51:51.exit from the European union. But do that when we have done our duty on

:51:52. > :51:53.dude Julie Jones. When we and our constituents know what the

:51:54. > :51:58.government has planned on which of the thousands of permutations of

:51:59. > :52:03.exit it is going for and how it meaningfully wants to do it in

:52:04. > :52:07.Parliament. This bill is not about ignoring the referendum result but

:52:08. > :52:12.realising it, ensuring that our whole democracy works to secure the

:52:13. > :52:22.best deal possible. Unifying our nation, not glorying in its division

:52:23. > :52:25.into winners and losers. Mr Speaker, when my honourable friend was

:52:26. > :52:29.speaking about a White Paper and date of publication. He said it was

:52:30. > :52:33.great to be published tomorrow. Is that news for the House? It is not

:52:34. > :52:37.news for the House in sense if memory serves me correctly that the

:52:38. > :52:48.Prime Minister indicated as much in the course of Prime Minister's

:52:49. > :52:50.Questions. One thing I know about the honourable gentleman, he is

:52:51. > :53:00.invariably listening to his own wisdom. We are grateful to him for

:53:01. > :53:07.that. Mr Stephen Hammond. Thank you, Mr Speaker. This has been the place

:53:08. > :53:12.where Britons are elected debate and make the decisions that affect our

:53:13. > :53:15.country's future. It is only right that tonight it will be the size

:53:16. > :53:22.that will vote to trigger article 50. I was one of the 544 who voted

:53:23. > :53:27.for the referendum to give our people are choice and the future. So

:53:28. > :53:32.it would be inconsistent to reject the the verdict of that referendum

:53:33. > :53:37.if it is at odds with my own view. I campaigned for the UK to remain in

:53:38. > :53:45.the EU. I am disappointed by the result. 71% of my constituents will

:53:46. > :53:49.to do remain. I have had hundreds, literally hundreds of letters in the

:53:50. > :53:53.last week telling me who I should represent them tonight and foot

:53:54. > :54:00.against the government. But as much as my honourable friend is, I am a

:54:01. > :54:02.defender of democracy. I voted knowing fine well that if we've won

:54:03. > :54:07.the debate, that is what will happen. Tonight I will be in the

:54:08. > :54:15.lobby triggering article 50. I will give way but only once. Since

:54:16. > :54:21.September, a select committee has been established on exiting the EU.

:54:22. > :54:26.We have had 26 debates and there have been seven statements in this

:54:27. > :54:28.House. Does my friend agree that these statistics highlight the many

:54:29. > :54:33.hours of debate that have been available to all members of the

:54:34. > :54:43.House, contrary to what some might miss -- C. We must support the

:54:44. > :54:49.British people tonight. I said I will certainly be respecting the

:54:50. > :54:53.result of the referendum. Indeed we have had those debates. What is

:54:54. > :54:56.crucial is where we go from here. For what the people did not say to

:54:57. > :55:01.us on the referendum, how and on what terms we would be leaving. I

:55:02. > :55:07.believe the best way to decide those issues, to mitigate the impact of

:55:08. > :55:09.uncertainty, is for the government to keep Parliament updated as much

:55:10. > :55:16.as possible throughout the negotiations, and allow this House

:55:17. > :55:20.to have a meaningful input to those negotiations. I am at salute the

:55:21. > :55:23.welcoming the publication of the White Paper tomorrow. I hope that

:55:24. > :55:27.Bill will build on the Prime Minister was Max Beach End create

:55:28. > :55:32.some level of uncertainty. It is in the government's best interest for

:55:33. > :55:37.the fullest possible involvement of Parliament will help are negotiating

:55:38. > :55:42.position. Our negotiations will carry much greater weight with the

:55:43. > :55:46.EU 27 if it is clear the negotiating stance has the backing of this

:55:47. > :55:49.House. And amongst all the talk of sovereignty and the hope of trade

:55:50. > :55:55.deals, we must not forget the effect of this process on individuals,

:55:56. > :56:00.constituents, many people who live in our constituencies, many of the

:56:01. > :56:05.people who live in Wimbledon are EU citizens. And I hope the government

:56:06. > :56:12.will find a very early resolution to the rights of those people who may

:56:13. > :56:16.not be British citizens, but I regard as my constituents. I have

:56:17. > :56:20.said several times in the House in the bridge of debates, the

:56:21. > :56:30.honourable lady was talking about, uncertainty is a critical part. It

:56:31. > :56:34.is vital for business's success. Therefore we should strive for a

:56:35. > :56:39.deal in this deal that puts financial services at the heart with

:56:40. > :56:46.equivalents in mutual recognition. Equally as my honourable friend for

:56:47. > :56:50.South Devon said earlier, these devotions will be complex. We need

:56:51. > :56:55.to guarantee certainty and that means a proper transitional process

:56:56. > :56:58.where everybody can adjust to the new rules without a sudden shock and

:56:59. > :57:05.that can be achieved. I hope that will be clarified at the heart of

:57:06. > :57:07.their ambitions. This bill gives the United Kingdom the ability to

:57:08. > :57:11.trigger Article 50 and almost everyone in the chamber tonight will

:57:12. > :57:16.do that. I am pleased the Parliament has promised this Parliament to vote

:57:17. > :57:20.on the final deal. But what needs to be clarified is what stage in the

:57:21. > :57:24.process the vote will take place. It also needs to be clear that

:57:25. > :57:31.Parliament will be to vote if the government seeks to withdraw from

:57:32. > :57:33.the EU without a deal. If the government believes no deal was

:57:34. > :57:35.achievable, then I hope the Secretary of State will absolutely

:57:36. > :57:39.ensure and commit that the government will come back to this

:57:40. > :57:43.government with all the options placed before us. If the voters

:57:44. > :57:47.after the agreement of the Treaty but prior to the ratification as is

:57:48. > :57:53.the current legal position, then it will mean the vote will be too late

:57:54. > :57:57.and meaningless. In my view the vote must curb before the government

:57:58. > :58:02.concludes the agreement. And if anyone has read article 50, that is

:58:03. > :58:09.what will happen in the European Parliament. Are we know suggesting

:58:10. > :58:18.the European Parliament should be more sovereign than this Parliament?

:58:19. > :58:20.I think not. If it needs the consent of the European Parliament, it

:58:21. > :58:27.should need the consent of this Parliament as well. Mr Speaker, as

:58:28. > :58:36.Churchill said at the Battle of Britain, this will represent the end

:58:37. > :58:38.of the beginning. But also gives this House the chance to show our

:58:39. > :58:42.constituents we can come together, heal the divisions, find the best

:58:43. > :58:45.deal for this country. Mr Speaker, as members in this House we make

:58:46. > :58:47.difficult decisions every day. Some of these decisions are robs local

:58:48. > :58:49.significance and others take on national significance. But the only

:58:50. > :58:51.reason we have the ability to make these decisions as is because our

:58:52. > :58:58.local constituents gave us their consent and voted for us at the

:58:59. > :59:01.general election. And the point has been made to me that we are not

:59:02. > :59:14.delegates. But when all your neighbours, your local business

:59:15. > :59:15.people, your local pharmacists and local health professionals and

:59:16. > :59:18.political allies and political opponents make the point here that

:59:19. > :59:21.you have to take a stand on an issue, I feel this is the right

:59:22. > :59:24.course of action. Mr Speaker, I did not want to resign my front bench

:59:25. > :59:26.role. I know it was not a great office of state but it was an

:59:27. > :59:28.important role that allowed me to hold the government to account on

:59:29. > :59:31.their aspirations of social mobility. But today, we are debating

:59:32. > :59:39.whether we trickle Article 50 and give the Prime Minister the

:59:40. > :59:41.permission to exit the European union. And I think I would be

:59:42. > :59:43.abandoning my duty to my constituents, who have

:59:44. > :59:51.overwhelmingly unwaveringly made their point is that they do not want

:59:52. > :59:59.to leave the European Union, 75% of my constituents footed to remain in

:00:00. > :00:09.the European Union. And my honourable friend from Holborn and

:00:10. > :00:11.some pancreas made the argument yesterday that this decision has not

:00:12. > :00:14.been easy. It has been here conflicting emotions as we decide

:00:15. > :00:17.what to do in the Labour Party. But for me there were two main reasons

:00:18. > :00:20.why I made the decision I did and why we are voting against the bill

:00:21. > :00:22.today. The first decision has been made because of the future of the EU

:00:23. > :00:25.nationals living in my constituency. There are 17,000 EU nationals and

:00:26. > :00:32.some have accused me and told me that I only want to be elected at

:00:33. > :00:36.the next election which is why I am taking the stand. Let me tell me --

:00:37. > :00:39.you, these people cannot vote for me at the next election. The reason why

:00:40. > :00:44.I am taking the stand I am taking, we do not wince when people are

:00:45. > :00:50.speaking in a different language on public transport. We do not blame

:00:51. > :00:55.the very real pressures on our health system, on a housing on

:00:56. > :00:58.scapegoating others simply because they do not look like us and because

:00:59. > :01:05.they do not sound like us. In Hamstead and Kilburn we do not

:01:06. > :01:08.indulge in baseless theories that are country is at breaking point. In

:01:09. > :01:13.Hamstead and Kilburn we celebrate these EU nationals, they are a part

:01:14. > :01:17.of fabric is marked as anyone else and they have a right to be here as

:01:18. > :01:24.much as the success of generations that came before them. If I vote for

:01:25. > :01:29.this bill today, I am abandoning my responsibility to these EU nationals

:01:30. > :01:32.who live in my constituency. And for a lack of time I will go on to the

:01:33. > :01:37.next reason why am I putting against this. For lack of access to the

:01:38. > :01:42.single affects three main groups. The self-employed who have argued

:01:43. > :01:46.they need tariff free trade with the EU. Those involved in the scientific

:01:47. > :01:51.and technical industries. In the last ten years the scientific

:01:52. > :01:57.funding has increased by 73% from EU sources. At this point their

:01:58. > :02:04.projects are in jeopardy. Finally, those who are involved in the

:02:05. > :02:05.have no clarity over the future of have no clarity over the

:02:06. > :02:08.the past sporting rights. These are the reasons in good conscience I

:02:09. > :02:13.cannot vote for the bill today. And finally I will quote my friend from

:02:14. > :02:18.Leeds Central and say, this is not how we do things in the House. We

:02:19. > :02:25.need clarity. We need to see the economic impact of this decision. I

:02:26. > :02:31.will not be voting for this bill today.

:02:32. > :02:37.It gives me great pleasure to follow the honourable lady. She addresses

:02:38. > :02:40.herself with clarity and passion and while I will not be in the lobby is

:02:41. > :02:50.this evening I share many of the sentiments she has expressed. In

:02:51. > :02:55.1519, Cortez arrived in the New World. The first thing he did was to

:02:56. > :02:59.burn the ships that had got him there. Pointing up the beach he told

:03:00. > :03:03.his astonished crew that since retreat to Europe was no longer an

:03:04. > :03:08.option the only way forward was up the beach to the opportunities he

:03:09. > :03:13.saw in the New World. Britain used the -- now stands on the brink of

:03:14. > :03:18.its Cortez moment. When article 50 is triggered that there will be no

:03:19. > :03:22.way back. Brexit Britain must of course broker the best possible deal

:03:23. > :03:27.it can with the European Union but our future long-term will depend

:03:28. > :03:35.just as much on our ability to operate freely and globally.

:03:36. > :03:42.Meanwhile in Europe, we were told this week that assertive

:03:43. > :03:47.unspectacular steps are needed to revive the aspiration to raise

:03:48. > :03:55.European integration to the next level. Whose aspirations? Not those

:03:56. > :04:02.of the British public. But for moderates like me, people who admit

:04:03. > :04:05.risks as well as benefits, are done a real service. Has false

:04:06. > :04:09.prescription has explained more eloquently than I ever could buy it

:04:10. > :04:15.was that the British public voted to leave on 23rd June. We have had some

:04:16. > :04:21.truly excellent contributions today and yesterday and I paid tribute to

:04:22. > :04:23.honourable members who have expressed their positions

:04:24. > :04:29.forthrightly even if I disagree with them. This is the House at its very

:04:30. > :04:37.best, this is the House listening to be public that we serve. Last week

:04:38. > :04:41.the permanent secretary at the Ministry of Defence in an interview

:04:42. > :04:47.for the civil service weekly said that the EU was operationally

:04:48. > :04:51.irrelevant to defence and security. He was wrong. The European Union is

:04:52. > :04:56.relevant to our defence and security. I am fully supportive of

:04:57. > :05:00.the Petersburg tasks, the use of assets for humanitarian and

:05:01. > :05:13.peacekeeping operations under the EU. I accept that the European

:05:14. > :05:16.defence agency, a body who has a minister its budget I try to

:05:17. > :05:22.contain, running number of projects that Britain benefits from, and my

:05:23. > :05:27.point is we must seek to engage with Europe post-Brexit whenever it is

:05:28. > :05:32.expedient to do so and I would encourage ministers particularly, as

:05:33. > :05:37.ministers within Europe's principle military power, to continue engaging

:05:38. > :05:44.wherever Bayliss mutual benefit in as doing so. Yesterday, city UK

:05:45. > :05:48.reversed its previously held Euroscepticism and announced the

:05:49. > :05:54.next few the European Union was a straitjacket and Brexit presented an

:05:55. > :05:59.unprecedented opportunity. It spoke of achieving a global Brexit and

:06:00. > :06:04.that reminds us that in all those steals the only trade deals

:06:05. > :06:11.concluded by the European Union or Mexico and South America. It is a

:06:12. > :06:15.mistaken belief that Brussels would undertake the task on our behalf but

:06:16. > :06:19.it was clearly asleep on watch and now it is time for Britain to

:06:20. > :06:23.rediscover its historic engagement with global markets and I hope in

:06:24. > :06:28.the years ahead ministers will do that. We have had the bizarre

:06:29. > :06:36.spectacle of Germany making more money from exporting coffee than the

:06:37. > :06:40.developing countries... As my honourable friend said at the

:06:41. > :06:47.beginning of this debate, this is a very difficult debate for many of us

:06:48. > :06:50.on this side of the chamber. I supported Remains strongly in the

:06:51. > :06:56.campaign because I believed it was in the interests of the country and

:06:57. > :07:00.the constituency I represent. I thought the economic arguments they

:07:01. > :07:06.remain campaign advanced within the ends succeed but that wasn't the

:07:07. > :07:11.case. In the end they didn't ask the people for their views if I wasn't

:07:12. > :07:16.going to listen to what they said. I accept the vote for this bill is

:07:17. > :07:22.only opening the door but it probably will mean ultimately that

:07:23. > :07:26.as a result they leave the EU. In the end they will listen to my

:07:27. > :07:29.constituents and their views because they voted overwhelmingly to leave.

:07:30. > :07:36.The reason my constituents gave to me on the doorstep was that many of

:07:37. > :07:39.them felt left behind by economic progress over the number of decades.

:07:40. > :07:45.They felt they were not in control of their lives, they felt that we as

:07:46. > :07:50.their representatives, as a political class, were not listening

:07:51. > :07:52.to them, and that one of the fundamental concerns was around

:07:53. > :08:00.unrestricted immigration from the EU. That is the honest information

:08:01. > :08:03.they gave to me that I am relaying. People who are not racists still

:08:04. > :08:09.have genuine concerns about the impact on their public services and

:08:10. > :08:15.jobs and pay and conditions from that unrestricted immigration. Those

:08:16. > :08:22.concerns were expressed to me by people from different ethnic

:08:23. > :08:24.backgrounds, from the Pakistani Kashmiri, Bangladeshi and Somali

:08:25. > :08:31.communities as well as white British residents. I feel that if we don't

:08:32. > :08:37.listen to those genuinely held concerns, the disillusionment met

:08:38. > :08:40.with politics will grow. We risked driving those people into the arms

:08:41. > :08:47.of the racists who actually do want to put forward a different agenda

:08:48. > :08:50.completely. At the same time I recognise that while I will vote for

:08:51. > :08:58.the ballot is still important in Sheffield for its industry to have

:08:59. > :09:05.free access to EU markets. They want to have assurances that it will be

:09:06. > :09:09.safe in the future as it is now. We want to see cooperation on

:09:10. > :09:15.environmental matters, defence, security, science and research. They

:09:16. > :09:20.want to keep the same employment rights and protections as they now

:09:21. > :09:25.enjoy. They don't want to see a race to the bottom on reducing taxation

:09:26. > :09:32.on corporate matters so we can compete with offshore tax havens

:09:33. > :09:37.elsewhere. In the end, it is important that to keep those issues

:09:38. > :09:42.on the agenda, parliament is regularly updated on progress in the

:09:43. > :09:45.discussions and that at the end this Parliament has a vote on the final

:09:46. > :09:51.outcome just as the European Parliament will do. I still have

:09:52. > :09:56.concerns about voting for the bill, concerns I felt when I argued

:09:57. > :09:59.strongly for remain in the referendum but in the end I have

:10:00. > :10:08.more concerned about the damage to democracy if I don't vote for the

:10:09. > :10:14.bill. I am not one to brag but I humbly suggest that I know something

:10:15. > :10:19.about how to negotiate in Europe. My personal best was what the civil

:10:20. > :10:25.service called a three shirt, three base and two nights of continuous

:10:26. > :10:29.negotiation so I wish them luck as they enter this process and can I

:10:30. > :10:34.ask them to ignore all those who say that they might like to share with

:10:35. > :10:36.other indie world every single nuance of negotiations, because

:10:37. > :10:44.nothing would be likely to secure a worse deal for us in this house

:10:45. > :10:52.following that. I have to break it gently to some members of this house

:10:53. > :10:57.and to some deluging our inbox, that some are not fascinated with the

:10:58. > :11:03.politics of Brexit. They are rooted in the realities, and these are the

:11:04. > :11:07.small family farming businesses, the life sciences company that wants to

:11:08. > :11:13.sell its world beating products to health services in Europe, it is

:11:14. > :11:17.about companies that will be part of consortia or supply chains, some of

:11:18. > :11:22.which will be in and outside the European Union, and how what work

:11:23. > :11:24.for them the? It is about people who want to study abroad, people who are

:11:25. > :11:31.concerned about the future of our environment. The experience of the

:11:32. > :11:35.referendum campaign was for me a miserable one, a new low in the

:11:36. > :11:43.political discourse of the nation and they put blame for that on both

:11:44. > :11:49.sides. As the dust settles, we have choice, and that choice is whether

:11:50. > :11:52.to play the role of some sort of parliamentary insurgent, finding

:11:53. > :11:58.devious mechanisms with which to do down the view the public took in an

:11:59. > :12:03.open referendum, or is it that we should represent the views of

:12:04. > :12:08.constituents, the vast majority, who want us to act in their best

:12:09. > :12:11.interests, and to understand the government faces a heavy burden as

:12:12. > :12:17.it seeks to achieve an orderly exit. These as one notable voice absent

:12:18. > :12:22.from our debates here in this historic preceding, and that is the

:12:23. > :12:28.member for Grantham and Stanford, who wrote an article, difficult

:12:29. > :12:33.thought must have been for him in the middle of his treatment for

:12:34. > :12:37.cancer, School of intelligence and common sense, and it had an

:12:38. > :12:43.understanding of what it is to be a liberal conservative at the time

:12:44. > :12:48.like this. He reminded us that we need to look forward, we need to

:12:49. > :12:51.look forward to a world in which we can have a decent, open and generous

:12:52. > :12:56.relationship with our European partners because that is what we

:12:57. > :12:58.believe, not just because it is in our nature but free trade and a

:12:59. > :13:04.belief in markets is something that is important to us. It is also a

:13:05. > :13:08.reminder when you read it of why we want our honourable friend back here

:13:09. > :13:13.in good health in the future. He reminded us we need to cooperate on

:13:14. > :13:20.issues like climate change, science and countering terrorism and all the

:13:21. > :13:24.things that matter to us. Outreach to our partners and a rejection of

:13:25. > :13:33.the kind of insular backward looking and small Britain that has affected

:13:34. > :13:39.this debate for too long. I will passionately support this bill

:13:40. > :13:42.tonight and I give the Treasury bench who will notice that I will be

:13:43. > :13:47.taking part in every available opportunity to hold them to account,

:13:48. > :13:50.that we reached the best deal for the people of this country and our

:13:51. > :14:00.constituents, and to do that in a constructive way. Thank you. I shall

:14:01. > :14:04.be as brief as I can. A slightly depressing debate today because as

:14:05. > :14:08.everybody knows, because of the collusion of the front bench is the

:14:09. > :14:15.result was a foregone conclusion. Eric Forth, who many in this

:14:16. > :14:18.household member, said that when the front benches agree with each other

:14:19. > :14:24.it is time for the House to be at its most active and examine

:14:25. > :14:27.precisely what that alliance means. My honourable friend, as was

:14:28. > :14:38.mentioned by the member for Sheffield, said yesterday, that it

:14:39. > :14:44.is a very difficult issue for the Labour Party and indeed it is. It is

:14:45. > :14:48.difficult for everybody in this house, and presents us with a

:14:49. > :14:53.paradox and a difficulty to know what is the right thing to do. Some

:14:54. > :14:56.people say the result of the referendum means that supporting

:14:57. > :15:02.this bill is the right thing to do, others disagree. Others say their

:15:03. > :15:05.duty to their constituents transcends party loyalties and I

:15:06. > :15:11.will make my position perfectly clear because I am in a fortunate

:15:12. > :15:17.position. My constituency as I said on the Monday after the referendum,

:15:18. > :15:22.voted by something like 2-1 to remain in the European Union. As I

:15:23. > :15:27.said then, I regard my primary responsibility is being to my

:15:28. > :15:31.constituents. My constituents have written to meet in unprecedented

:15:32. > :15:34.numbers, and I am sure most members of this house will have received

:15:35. > :15:38.more information on this issue than just about any other from

:15:39. > :15:44.constituents, certainly in the 25 years I have been a member of this

:15:45. > :15:47.house, urging me to support that because my constituency supported

:15:48. > :15:51.that way. I will support the objection to leaving the European

:15:52. > :15:56.Union and they will vote against a second reading tonight and will vote

:15:57. > :16:02.for the Scottish National Party Amendment and against the programme

:16:03. > :16:05.motion and will continue to do so. I will be active next week when it

:16:06. > :16:08.comes before committee and seek to amend the bill but I will vote

:16:09. > :16:12.against the third reading as well because I will not be complicit in

:16:13. > :16:17.something that I know and feel to be wrong. And to be against the best

:16:18. > :16:25.interests, not just of my constituents are not just this eight

:16:26. > :16:29.-- this city of which my constituency is a small part.

:16:30. > :16:35.Whatever negotiations and agreements take place, reform of the European

:16:36. > :16:38.Union, staying in the European Union and leading the campaign of

:16:39. > :16:41.reformers in the best interests of the British people and I will do

:16:42. > :16:49.nothing know which undermines their possession. What I will also see is

:16:50. > :16:52.people have mentioned the status of European Union citizens in this

:16:53. > :16:57.country. The Prime Minister, and I am sure she is in earnest about this

:16:58. > :17:04.and being genuine, when she says she wants to get Italy agreement for

:17:05. > :17:09.reciprocal arrangements. I say, and others say as well, the answer is in

:17:10. > :17:13.her own hands. She can reassure EU nationals living in this country now

:17:14. > :17:19.and say that their future and that of their families and secure. And

:17:20. > :17:24.then go to, quite rightly, to the chambers and the councils of Europe

:17:25. > :17:29.and say we demand the same from you. There will be only one reason why I

:17:30. > :17:33.would ever turn my back on the European Union and agree that we

:17:34. > :17:36.should leave, it would be if they turned around and denied British

:17:37. > :17:47.citizens the right that we can give to EU nationals.

:17:48. > :17:52.Is the Prime Minister saying that if the other countries said no, that

:17:53. > :17:58.she would as the current European citizens resident in this country to

:17:59. > :18:02.leave? That is precisely the point. The reason why Ukip has so little

:18:03. > :18:07.traction in London is because most Londoners within a generation or two

:18:08. > :18:13.are immigrants themselves. Not necessarily from overseas, but from

:18:14. > :18:20.other parts of the United Kingdom. So the idea of the other is nothing

:18:21. > :18:25.new to Londoners. I agree what others have said about the pace of

:18:26. > :18:31.social change. People need to feel they are in control of it. They

:18:32. > :18:34.understand the nature of the change that is being affected. My fear is

:18:35. > :18:37.that a number of people I will vote as I have indicated because I

:18:38. > :18:43.believe it to be right. It might in the throes of time be a mistake, but

:18:44. > :18:46.I believe it to be right. What depresses me about today for s'

:18:47. > :19:05.proceedings is that a lot of members tonight will vote for

:19:06. > :19:09.something that is not right because it is expedient to do so. I shall

:19:10. > :19:12.not join those ranks, I will do whatever I can is to make sure that

:19:13. > :19:15.the deal that will follow will be the best it can be. I will not be

:19:16. > :19:18.complicit in undermining the future of the British people. For centuries

:19:19. > :19:21.Dover as has had an important role as the gateway and guardian of the

:19:22. > :19:26.kingdom. I was concerned about the impact potentially on border

:19:27. > :19:29.security, the impact on cross-border co-operation, the potential impact

:19:30. > :19:32.on trade because Dover is in a real sense on the front line. And I set

:19:33. > :19:42.out these concerns to my constituents as well as those of the

:19:43. > :19:49.medium-term risks to the economy. There was a referendum after a long

:19:50. > :19:53.debate, a thorough debate. There was a proper debate, people knew what

:19:54. > :20:01.they were voting for and they made a clear decision. So I for one will be

:20:02. > :20:04.voting to respect the result. Now the leader of the Liberal Democrats

:20:05. > :20:09.seems to treat like this Hotel California. You can never leave. The

:20:10. > :20:29.SNP think that you should just have multiple

:20:30. > :20:32.referendums until you might get the right result. On their track record

:20:33. > :20:34.in, losing the AV referendum, the independence referendum, losing the

:20:35. > :20:39.European referendum, they are not doing so well. I shall respect this

:20:40. > :20:42.result and we need to be clear in this House on the red line is that

:20:43. > :20:43.we were given by the British people. My constituents are very clear.

:20:44. > :21:05.Number one, they must be an end to a unchecked EU migration.

:21:06. > :21:11.Number two, no more billions for bloated Brussels bureaucrats. And

:21:12. > :21:15.that leaves very clearly that we must leave the single market and if

:21:16. > :21:18.we want to do trade deals with the rest of the world, we need to leave

:21:19. > :21:21.the customs union. For Dover, that has a real impact. I am making no

:21:22. > :21:23.bones about that. I have put together proposals about how we can

:21:24. > :21:26.restore border controls and I are putting together a group. I have put

:21:27. > :21:29.together a group on how we can manage customs leaving the European

:21:30. > :21:32.Union in two years and how we can be ready on day one. It is the job of

:21:33. > :21:35.this House and the job of every one of this member, not just to respect

:21:36. > :21:38.the result, but to make it work for the good of the British people. We

:21:39. > :21:41.cannot hope for things to go wrong. We need to recognise that if things

:21:42. > :21:45.do go wrong, it impacts the people we serve and represent. They will be

:21:46. > :21:50.less well off and that is why I am working to make this work. That is

:21:51. > :21:56.why I am imploring to make this work and make a success of it, recognise

:21:57. > :21:58.that we will have to leave the single market. We will have to leave

:21:59. > :22:05.the customs union, we will need to be ready on day one. And we also

:22:06. > :22:09.need to recognise that there may not be a deal. We should work tirelessly

:22:10. > :22:15.for a deal, but it may be that no deal is immediately forthcoming. For

:22:16. > :22:21.the reasons that my friend for Tatton set out. But the mindset for

:22:22. > :22:31.my European colleagues are not set for a deal. They might not wish to

:22:32. > :22:34.do a deal at that time. Also, any deal maker and negotiator will tell

:22:35. > :22:38.you the best way to land a deal is to be prepared for no deal taking

:22:39. > :22:40.place. And that is why we need to be ready for border controls, ready for

:22:41. > :22:44.customs duties, ready for trade with double wide world as well as ready

:22:45. > :22:49.to do up is to deal and have positive engagement with the

:22:50. > :22:54.European union in the years to come. So I am so this House to think

:22:55. > :22:58.constructively, to be constructive, to respect the House and to look at

:22:59. > :23:06.the future of this nation as the best days are yet to come. Mr

:23:07. > :23:13.Speaker I came into this House with my friend from Lewisham West 25

:23:14. > :23:18.years ago and I am delighted to say that I am with him today on this

:23:19. > :23:22.bench and I agree with every word that he says. If there are so gives

:23:23. > :23:28.me four minutes to talk about other things. President Donald Trump

:23:29. > :23:36.yesterday made a very important statement. President Donald Tusk

:23:37. > :23:42.that is. Donald Tusk pointed to the threats that face Europe. The

:23:43. > :23:49.threats from Russia. The threats of change, of claim it and the threats

:23:50. > :23:57.from across the Atlantic from the other Donald. If I predict, if the

:23:58. > :24:02.situation had arisen before the referendum, we may have had a

:24:03. > :24:08.different result. More and more people in this country are realising

:24:09. > :24:17.that we need our European partnership and this is not the time

:24:18. > :24:23.to be leaving the call operation of European foreign policy. It is not

:24:24. > :24:27.too -- time to be leaving the European Security agency. It is not

:24:28. > :24:33.time to be leaving co-operation with their European partners. I

:24:34. > :24:37.understand the comments being made by the honourable member. It is not

:24:38. > :24:40.the time either to replace the arguments of the referendum. The

:24:41. > :24:44.British public have spoken and it is down to us to take forward their

:24:45. > :24:49.views and vote with the government this evening. I am not be playing

:24:50. > :24:53.the arguments I am dealing with the realities. And interestingly perhaps

:24:54. > :25:02.the members stood on a manifesto of the last general election in 2015

:25:03. > :25:05.where his party said yes to the single market. It also set that it

:25:06. > :25:12.will bring in a referendum. It had a mandate for doing that. But as the

:25:13. > :25:15.former Europe minister, the member for Aylesbury said, the referendum

:25:16. > :25:20.is adverts that -- advisory as was the 1975 referendum in Europe and

:25:21. > :25:26.the Scottish and vote last year. That is what they said in 2015 in

:25:27. > :25:32.the 16th of June. Parliament has to decide how, when and if to implement

:25:33. > :25:39.this referendum. The problem with the position that is being taken by

:25:40. > :25:45.both frontbenchers, by trickling early, we are going to be on an

:25:46. > :25:50.escalator in one direction with no ability to get off. There is a legal

:25:51. > :25:56.process going on. In the Irish courts at the moment about the

:25:57. > :26:02.possibilities, the implications of whether Article 50 is reversible. We

:26:03. > :26:06.don't know that judgment yet. Why on earth are we triggering before we

:26:07. > :26:12.know the legal position on article 50? Why is it the decision of our

:26:13. > :26:23.government to go for the hardest possible leaving of the EU. No

:26:24. > :26:26.customs union, problems for Gibraltar, problems for the Northern

:26:27. > :26:30.Ireland peace process and the Good Friday agreement and all of these

:26:31. > :26:36.problems are being done in advance of knowing whether we could decide

:26:37. > :26:43.in a year's time or maybe two years' time, before this process is

:26:44. > :26:49.complete. We need to not be on this escalator. We need to have a means

:26:50. > :27:02.to stop that process and that is why we need clarity before we start

:27:03. > :27:08.triggering it. We did not need to trigger in March this year. We could

:27:09. > :27:11.have waited. It did not need to be done in advance of the French

:27:12. > :27:17.election and the German election and the reality is the ratification

:27:18. > :27:29.process requires decisions in 27 national parliaments and the

:27:30. > :27:32.regional parliaments in Belgium and the decision by the European

:27:33. > :27:35.Parliament. So if we are to get that process, we will have a narrow

:27:36. > :27:37.window of of urgency. Perhaps just a year from the bottom of this year

:27:38. > :27:42.until the autumn of 2018, and then they will have to be a ratification

:27:43. > :27:50.process. We won't get a good agreement. We could be in a

:27:51. > :27:56.disastrous position of going off the cliff with no agreement at all with

:27:57. > :27:58.a terrible economic consequences of WTO terms only. That is an

:27:59. > :28:05.unmitigated disaster for my constituents and for the country. I

:28:06. > :28:07.am doing what the member for Rushcliffe said yesterday, I am

:28:08. > :28:10.voting as members of Parliament should. I am following my own

:28:11. > :28:18.judgments. I am listening to my constituents and to the country. No,

:28:19. > :28:23.I have to conclude. But I will not be voting to trigger article 50 at

:28:24. > :28:30.any stage. Mr Speaker, I am indeed casting my personal vote for remain

:28:31. > :28:33.in the referendum. I have had and have concerns about the security

:28:34. > :28:39.implications of leaving the EU. I have been opposed to an EU army, I

:28:40. > :28:47.wonder if that may come about without us being there to veto it. I

:28:48. > :28:50.don't believe these have been addressed are answered. I had

:28:51. > :28:57.concerns about inflationary effects and some of that is kicking in. But

:28:58. > :29:06.I do note it hasn't reached the 2% level yet that the Bank of England

:29:07. > :29:09.aims for. But I am is a prize that many of my colleagues, for having a

:29:10. > :29:14.vote on a main. The one thing they did recognise that I'd never had any

:29:15. > :29:18.truck with the federalisation of Europe, the political side of

:29:19. > :29:22.Europe. I felt that it was wrong, I felt that it didn't need impinged

:29:23. > :29:27.too far on the work of this parliament. And indeed so many

:29:28. > :29:33.people in my constituency said to me we joined a common market. We didn't

:29:34. > :29:39.join in EU. And even though my personal vote was for remain, one

:29:40. > :29:46.thing I was fully supported, I do not cast myself as a particular hard

:29:47. > :29:48.winner of the Conservative Party, which has been painted on benches

:29:49. > :29:55.opposite and those against this policy. I passionately believe that

:29:56. > :29:59.there had to be a referendum because people were never given their sake

:30:00. > :30:07.on the European Union. They were given their say on the common market

:30:08. > :30:09.and the state -- want to stay in the European market. But what has been

:30:10. > :30:14.clear since that referendum is that you have not taken seriously any of

:30:15. > :30:19.the lessons as to why people in this country are moving against it. I

:30:20. > :30:25.have to say that I would, tomorrow, vote to leave. Because I felt there

:30:26. > :30:29.was an opportunity that we could negotiate in the European Union,

:30:30. > :30:34.that we could work through issues that were a problem for people in

:30:35. > :30:36.this country, and they ignored her former Prime Minister, David

:30:37. > :30:40.Cameron. They did not think the country would totally. And I see the

:30:41. > :30:44.same consequences going through now, in the comets of the Maltese Prime

:30:45. > :30:49.Minister, in the comments of Donald Tusk. They have real warnings on the

:30:50. > :30:56.horizon. This is an organisation that needs to reform. If it does not

:30:57. > :31:00.reform I fear for women it will go. But I also want to say, Mr is

:31:01. > :31:04.bigger, but above all it was an exercise in democracy and it would

:31:05. > :31:11.be folly in the extreme for the other place, with maybe politicians

:31:12. > :31:13.in the other place dominated by parties who have been diminished in

:31:14. > :31:18.the elected House, two Triangle against the will of the size. And

:31:19. > :31:23.that will indeed, I think, be a suicide bid by the other place if

:31:24. > :31:29.they try and try and disrupt the will of this House. That is a

:31:30. > :31:33.warning I give. I am on the record wanting Lords reform. You cannot get

:31:34. > :31:41.Lord reform of the public are not bind us. I said that as a friendly

:31:42. > :31:45.warning, Mr Speaker. That they must take note of what this House says

:31:46. > :31:49.because what this referendum has been about, above all else, is

:31:50. > :31:55.democracy. People said they did not want to be controlled by unelected

:31:56. > :32:02.bodies in Europe. They expect us to action that choice. It may have not

:32:03. > :32:06.been the result I voted for but I am a Democrat and above all I respect

:32:07. > :32:09.the ballot box and I respect the outcome of the ballot box. And this

:32:10. > :32:15.House must respect the outcome of the ballot box.

:32:16. > :32:24.We as a parliament and a democracy took the country into a referendum

:32:25. > :32:28.that had nothing to do with the best interests of Britain and everything

:32:29. > :32:35.to do with attempting to heal deep divisions within the Conservative

:32:36. > :32:40.Party. We on this site didn't wish to appear to not trust the voters

:32:41. > :32:43.and I must admit we had some of our own divisions but all of us failed

:32:44. > :32:50.to set the rules fully referendum we didn't approve a simple majority, a

:32:51. > :32:54.requirement for the road map showing the implications for the leave than

:32:55. > :33:00.the cost implications of the two alternatives. Then came the

:33:01. > :33:03.shockingly irresponsible referendum campaign, full of lies,

:33:04. > :33:08.misinformation, dog whistle politics, and xenophobia. When the

:33:09. > :33:13.British public for to do the majority to leave the EU they did so

:33:14. > :33:18.in a variety of reasons. They wanted the money back which the battlebus

:33:19. > :33:21.told us was going to Europe but apparently nothing came back, and

:33:22. > :33:25.apparently they wanted it spent on the NHS. They are not going to get

:33:26. > :33:32.it. They wanted control of immigration and spending. They

:33:33. > :33:41.wanted an end to austerity and to wipe the smug look... Of the

:33:42. > :33:46.Chancellor's face. They achieved that one. On the doorstep people

:33:47. > :33:51.didn't tell me they were happy to lose workers' rights and jobs and to

:33:52. > :33:55.have lower standards of living, or reduced opportunities for children

:33:56. > :33:59.and grandchildren. They didn't talk about wanting to leave the single

:34:00. > :34:04.market, the customs union or pursuing a bold and ambitious free

:34:05. > :34:09.trade agreement. Somehow we as politicians were to square that

:34:10. > :34:14.circle. Stop immigration, get the money back, get control back and

:34:15. > :34:18.become more affluent. I cannot keep on voting for the process that gives

:34:19. > :34:23.the people of Bridgend no assurance of a secure future for them or their

:34:24. > :34:29.children. I voting to trigger article 50. I am grateful for giving

:34:30. > :34:33.way and I have taken the unusual step of listening to the debate

:34:34. > :34:37.rather than contributing but having listened for many hours I will also

:34:38. > :34:43.be joining hearts in voting against second reading this evening. I

:34:44. > :34:48.welcome that information because my honourable friend as somebody who's

:34:49. > :34:52.integrity and his contribution in debates I always listen to and I am

:34:53. > :34:58.deeply pleased that he will be joining me in the lobbies. We are

:34:59. > :35:02.voting here today with a white Paper promised tomorrow, not before this

:35:03. > :35:09.discussion. We have no risk assessment, no financial assessment,

:35:10. > :35:16.a total lack of clarity on the government's policy, but the thin

:35:17. > :35:19.promise of a sunlit uplands, of eight passport and a tariff free

:35:20. > :35:34.agreement which means costs would rise for financial services. I

:35:35. > :35:37.intend to keep voting no until I can see a position that is the best we

:35:38. > :35:44.can obtain for this country. I am ashamed that the way we have

:35:45. > :35:51.abandoned EU citizens and their families who gave their lives, loves

:35:52. > :35:55.unsettled future to the UK. I have a wonderful German daughter in law and

:35:56. > :36:01.an extended German family, I have friends who are MPs across Europe

:36:02. > :36:07.who are deeply saddened by the words and threats emanating from this

:36:08. > :36:10.government. I accept the outcome of the referendum. We are leaving the

:36:11. > :36:15.European Union, but it doesn't mean I am willing to vote for the party

:36:16. > :36:24.opposite to the this country into a treacherous and uncertain future.

:36:25. > :36:28.There is a Gramsci quote that says the old order is dying, the new one

:36:29. > :36:34.is struggling to be born and then the interregnum monsters are abroad.

:36:35. > :36:38.They most certainly are. We are voting before we know the outcome of

:36:39. > :36:52.the match European elections which will influence the

:36:53. > :36:56.part of our economic security to an America where Trump's inauguration

:36:57. > :37:00.speech, support for torture, ban on Muslims entering the US,

:37:01. > :37:04.anti-climate change rhetoric and the clear statement of America first and

:37:05. > :37:12.the commitment to end trade agreements not in America's best

:37:13. > :37:15.interests. I am voting particularly because I don't trust that this is a

:37:16. > :37:18.government that can take me to the right place. I trust the British

:37:19. > :37:31.people, I don't trust this government. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I

:37:32. > :37:36.am in an easy position. I have an easy decision to make, no decision,

:37:37. > :37:44.I campaigned and voted for Brexit has that my constituency, as did the

:37:45. > :37:49.United Kingdom, so I am not torn in terms of what I am going to do this

:37:50. > :37:52.evening, but I am also not going to demand or even suggest how other

:37:53. > :38:00.members of this house should vote. Each one of us has a unique

:38:01. > :38:04.combination of local constituency pressures and I cannot look into the

:38:05. > :38:11.heart of other members of this house to see Fergie set. I am not going to

:38:12. > :38:16.call upon anyone to vote in one way or another, I am going to reflect on

:38:17. > :38:27.what I think the implications of the Brexit vote should be for all of us,

:38:28. > :38:31.irrespective of what our political position is and irrespective of how

:38:32. > :38:36.we choose to vote in the decisions of the seasoning and that committee

:38:37. > :38:42.stage next week. Brexit provides us with an opportunity but it also

:38:43. > :38:50.exerts upon us and external discipline. Discipline is something

:38:51. > :38:57.which guides the actions and decisions. Discipline also

:38:58. > :39:06.encourages us to do what is difficult but right. The discipline

:39:07. > :39:10.that Brexit imposes upon us is to listen very carefully to people in

:39:11. > :39:20.Britain who clearly feel they have not been listened to up until this

:39:21. > :39:25.point. It is very easy, for us to project our own prejudices on why

:39:26. > :39:33.people voted the way they did. The we all do it and we have seen it

:39:34. > :39:38.both from those of us who voted for Brexit, to project very basic

:39:39. > :39:42.motivations onto those who are going to vote in alignment with their

:39:43. > :39:45.constituents, and we would be wrong to do so, but we also have to

:39:46. > :39:50.understand why there are communities in Britain who are concerned about

:39:51. > :39:55.their standard of living, about migration and globalisation. We have

:39:56. > :39:58.to respond to those concerns, but also on the government said we have

:39:59. > :40:04.is to understand that at some point we will need to explain why we are

:40:05. > :40:08.perhaps prioritising certain markets and business sectors in our

:40:09. > :40:13.negotiations above others. We will need to explain that the value that

:40:14. > :40:16.international migration brings to the British economy and why it will

:40:17. > :40:24.not suddenly stop overnight, the day after we leave the EU. I thank my

:40:25. > :40:27.honourable friend for the speech cheesemaking and the important

:40:28. > :40:32.points he is making. Does he not agree that the modern industrial

:40:33. > :40:35.strategy now set out is going to be a vitally important element of

:40:36. > :40:41.paving the way forward for our economy in the post Brexit world. It

:40:42. > :40:44.is good to be incredibly important that the government lays out a

:40:45. > :40:48.pathway from now moving forward is that explains to many people in

:40:49. > :40:54.Britain how a global economy can work not just for the greater good

:40:55. > :40:57.foot for the individual good. Ultimately when members of this

:40:58. > :41:00.house say the British people need to have a say they are absolutely right

:41:01. > :41:07.they need to have a seat but they should remember that Brexit is the

:41:08. > :41:14.start of an ongoing existence. It is not a discrete process. The deal the

:41:15. > :41:19.Prime Minister and ministers are negotiating will be the deal that is

:41:20. > :41:23.put to the British people at the Twenty20 general election, and if

:41:24. > :41:28.other members of this place, from other parties, feel that they have a

:41:29. > :41:31.better version of the relationship with Europe, perhaps a version that

:41:32. > :41:37.prioritises market access over border control, it is not

:41:38. > :41:43.necessarily one I would agree with what it is none the less legitimate,

:41:44. > :41:46.and if they wish to prioritise membership of the customs union

:41:47. > :41:51.overrode ability to strike independent free trade deals, that

:41:52. > :41:56.again would not be a position I agree with but is none the less

:41:57. > :42:04.legitimate. What parliamentary sovereignty means is that those

:42:05. > :42:08.alternative versions of Brexit, what an SNP Brexit or Liberal Democrat

:42:09. > :42:13.Brexit might look like, can be fruitful for the British people in

:42:14. > :42:17.the lead up to the general election, and that hypothesis can be tested in

:42:18. > :42:26.the ultimate crucible, which is the British democratic system, I do

:42:27. > :42:32.apologise... If they are versions of Brexit seemed to be more palatable

:42:33. > :42:35.than the government version of Brexit, we will know, and we will

:42:36. > :42:41.know because members will be returned here in proportion to how

:42:42. > :42:48.palatable or otherwise those various versions of Brexit should be. That

:42:49. > :42:52.is how British democracy should work and that is how British democracy

:42:53. > :43:00.has been prevented from working up until this point of time, which is

:43:01. > :43:06.why I will not just vote to trigger article 50 this evening and in

:43:07. > :43:13.future divisions, I will do so passionately and happily because it

:43:14. > :43:17.means that for the first time in 40 years, the way British parliamentary

:43:18. > :43:21.democracy is meant to work will actually be able to work. But I

:43:22. > :43:35.won't ask you force you to with me. My constituency voted to remain. My

:43:36. > :43:40.country voted to leave. My conscience continues to believe that

:43:41. > :43:46.the country's interests are best served within the European Union. I

:43:47. > :43:54.believe that my job is to act in accordance with my conscience in the

:43:55. > :43:56.interests of my constituents in the parliamentary democracy I am proud

:43:57. > :44:02.to uphold. I believe that my constituents trust and belief in

:44:03. > :44:07.parliamentary democracy is the greater security country has against

:44:08. > :44:13.the rise of fascist leaders and the destruction of our national value

:44:14. > :44:17.system. It would be wrong to reject the results of the referendum.

:44:18. > :44:22.Newcastle was part of a nation than that which unites us is greater than

:44:23. > :44:27.that which divides us. For that reason I will vote for the second

:44:28. > :44:34.reading of this bill. But there are busy but and there always was going

:44:35. > :44:38.to be. This government is attempting a constitutional land grab. The

:44:39. > :44:43.referendum was about the will of the people, not that of the Prime

:44:44. > :44:48.Minister who is not even elected. 52% voted to leave the European

:44:49. > :44:54.Union but they didn't vote to leave the single market, they didn't vote

:44:55. > :44:58.to be the customs union. The north-east is the only region to

:44:59. > :45:02.export more than it imports, and more than half goes to the European

:45:03. > :45:09.Union. It is estimated that 160,000 jobs are directly linked to our

:45:10. > :45:13.membership of the single market, whilst our great universities

:45:14. > :45:21.received 155 million in European Union funds in the current funding

:45:22. > :45:28.cycle alone. When I talk to businesses they are incandescent

:45:29. > :45:33.that Tories are rejecting the greatest free trade Alliance on the

:45:34. > :45:39.planet. I can also say that having negotiated joint ventures, regular

:45:40. > :45:45.Tory undertakings and multi-million pound contracts across the Mack

:45:46. > :45:52.continents, I have never come across a negotiating position as inept as

:45:53. > :45:59.this government's. Give us what we want or you will duff up your

:46:00. > :46:03.economy. I have zero confidence in their negotiating future trade

:46:04. > :46:08.deals, deals in which Parliament will have no say. They will sell our

:46:09. > :46:15.socio economic birthright for a mess of right-wing pottage. When the

:46:16. > :46:21.Chancellor talks of changing our economic model he means turning the

:46:22. > :46:28.UK into a low-wage, low skilled tax haven with little or no welfare

:46:29. > :46:33.support. Over the third of children in Newcastle live in poverty. One in

:46:34. > :46:39.five of my constituents claims benefits. North-east workers are on

:46:40. > :46:48.average almost ?4000 per year worse off than ten years ago. Am I going

:46:49. > :46:53.to vote for a dystopian Ault right free-market future for them?

:46:54. > :46:58.Absolutely not. Already constituents and asking me questions I never

:46:59. > :47:03.expected to hear, might they be deported to the European Union? Just

:47:04. > :47:06.how racist is an insult have to be before they should complain? Will

:47:07. > :47:12.there be a nuclear war and which side will be we beyond? The

:47:13. > :47:19.government needs to accept amendments to this bill which ensure

:47:20. > :47:27.that our values, our socio economic model and our membership of the

:47:28. > :47:29.single market are safeguarded. Otherwise, democracy, my

:47:30. > :47:34.constituents and my conscience will fall.

:47:35. > :47:44.I am sorry I will have to make spirit speech is three minutes. I am

:47:45. > :50:03.privileged to take part in this bill today. I would say to them there

:50:04. > :51:06.when I went recently to a school in my constituency and asked the sixth

:51:07. > :51:09.form, the school council, how I should vote today and lead out of

:51:10. > :51:14.the problem that I have, every single one of them said, with your

:51:15. > :51:19.conscience. That is what I intend to do. I am a Democrat. Most of my

:51:20. > :51:25.constituency voted in a different way from me. I am a Democrat but I

:51:26. > :51:29.believe in a form of democracy that never silencers minorities. I

:51:30. > :51:41.believe the 48% in this country have a right to

:51:42. > :51:46.voice and the 46% or 45% the actual figure was in my constituency. So,

:51:47. > :51:49.today I am voting and speaking on behalf of a minority of my

:51:50. > :51:55.constituents. My first political memories are fine call's guides and

:51:56. > :52:02.Spain. I was thrown out of Chile in 1986 attending the funeral of a lad.

:52:03. > :52:06.I distrust politicians who spuriously use the national security

:52:07. > :52:10.argument to launch campaigns against migrants, refugees and ethnic

:52:11. > :52:17.minorities. I feared the turn this world is ticking towards national --

:52:18. > :52:22.narrow nationalism,. Distrust of those who are different from ours

:52:23. > :52:29.can all too often turn to hatred of foreigners and that way lies the

:52:30. > :52:34.trail to war. I know that is not the tradition of the Rhondda. We were

:52:35. > :52:40.built on migrants, from England, from Scotland, from Italy. And the

:52:41. > :52:45.silent was built on the sweat, the courage and the ingenuity and they

:52:46. > :52:53.get up and go off Huguenots, Normans, Protestants fleeing the

:52:54. > :52:56.prosecution, Polish, Spanish nurses, Indian doctors, Afro-Caribbean 's

:52:57. > :53:02.who wanted to make this country great. So I have stood at every

:53:03. > :53:05.election on a platform and manifesto, a party manifesto that

:53:06. > :53:09.said that we would stay in the European Union. That was my solemn

:53:10. > :53:14.vow to the people of the Rhondda. I lost that thought. I admit it. I

:53:15. > :53:19.lost it in my constituency but I have not lost my faith. It remains

:53:20. > :53:28.my deep conviction that leaving the European Union, especially on the

:53:29. > :53:30.terms the government will expect, we'll do undo damage to my

:53:31. > :53:34.constituents, especially the poorest of them. Of course I give way. I

:53:35. > :53:39.think my honourable friend give way. He is making a very brave and

:53:40. > :53:43.compelling case. I came in the chamber today not having finally

:53:44. > :53:47.which way to vote. Does he agree with me that if I believe the

:53:48. > :53:51.government was my plan is not the interests of my country and my

:53:52. > :53:58.constituents, then I should join him in the lobby and vote no to the bill

:53:59. > :54:03.tonight? Well I am going to vote further recent amendments to night.

:54:04. > :54:09.I believe that is in the interests of my constituents. Maybe they will

:54:10. > :54:15.take it out on me like to coat in Bristol. In the end there is no

:54:16. > :54:20.reason for any offers being a member of this House if we do not have

:54:21. > :54:24.anything to believe in and fight for. It is so dangerous this moment

:54:25. > :54:30.because the government has stated that this moment is irreversible.

:54:31. > :54:34.This is it, folks. No or never. In the most uncertain of times, we are

:54:35. > :54:39.being asked to vote for a completely unknown deal. Yes, I know we are

:54:40. > :54:44.going to leave the European Union. I know the House will fall further. My

:54:45. > :54:51.vote cannot change that. But I believe this will leave us poorer.

:54:52. > :54:57.Weaker and aft far, far greater danger in Europe and in the West and

:54:58. > :55:05.in this country. So, Mr Speaker, I say, not in my name. Never, never,

:55:06. > :55:12.never. It is a great honour to speak on this historic debate. On June the

:55:13. > :55:16.23rd we saw 52% of the United Kingdom, 57% of people in Derby

:55:17. > :55:22.voted for the UK to leave the European union. In Derby vote

:55:23. > :55:26.turnout was 70%, almost double local elections with 18,000 more people

:55:27. > :55:31.voting to leave than remain. Personally, I had double rooted for

:55:32. > :55:34.a long time over my decision and I spent time listening to the argument

:55:35. > :55:38.and could see strong reasons to leave and remain. I started feeling

:55:39. > :55:43.towards leave but finally decided that remain in my opinion would be

:55:44. > :55:49.the best for the country and I campaigned hard for us to stay in

:55:50. > :55:52.the EU. Whilst out campaigning, people had been coming to me with

:55:53. > :55:55.real messages saying they wanted a clamp-down on immigration, an

:55:56. > :56:01.opportunity to stand on a and make their own decisions. But on the

:56:02. > :56:03.other side there was uncertainty regarding the country's future,

:56:04. > :56:12.being outside of the EU and the long-term implications and

:56:13. > :56:14.consequences did have. Now this is a decision that will ship this country

:56:15. > :56:18.for generations and it's one that we must respect and insure it becomes a

:56:19. > :56:19.reality. We need to make sure we look forward so that future

:56:20. > :56:24.generations benefit from this version two. It is now the time to

:56:25. > :56:27.look for the opportunities Brexit can bring to our country and this

:56:28. > :56:33.will be challenging. The avenues of trade and investment that the

:56:34. > :56:38.government is working hard to create with new friends and partners inside

:56:39. > :56:56.and outside of Europe. Since the referendum I have been

:56:57. > :56:59.speaking to wide range of people and businesses in my constituency of

:57:00. > :57:02.Derby North and they are now looking forward to the urgency that brags

:57:03. > :57:04.that brings and there is a feeling of optimism to ensure small, medium

:57:05. > :57:06.and large businesses drive after we leave. Whilst acknowledging the

:57:07. > :57:20.complexity of the negotiations. On the point the member of North

:57:21. > :57:21.Cornwall raised about eyes being wide and looking up. Would my

:57:22. > :57:29.honourable friend agree with me, honourable friend agree with me,

:57:30. > :57:37.saw both sides of the argument. And written to me now,

:57:38. > :57:38.saw both sides of the argument. And we should be looking forward such as

:57:39. > :57:39.heard from the member of North heard from the member of North

:57:40. > :57:45.forward. Personally I am excited it is clear that people are looking

:57:46. > :57:48.forward. Personally I am excited about the prospect that lies before

:57:49. > :57:50.us as I believe we have a genuine opportunity is to have new

:57:51. > :57:52.relationships and trade deals to make this country even better,

:57:53. > :58:08.taking us forward proudly unsuccessfully. The great repeal

:58:09. > :58:10.Beale will be the start of going forward and I am confident this

:58:11. > :58:18.government will and must safeguard Annan and is the employer and human

:58:19. > :58:20.rights, holding dear the British values we all share. We should be

:58:21. > :58:23.mindful that we are not leaving Europe, we are leaving the EU. As I

:58:24. > :58:29.mentioned, 57% of those are voted in Derby voted to leave and I feel we

:58:30. > :58:32.have responsibility to negotiate the very best deal, not just for the

:58:33. > :58:37.people of Derby, but for the people of this country as a whole.

:58:38. > :58:39.Democracy is about listening to the people and as my honourable friend

:58:40. > :58:46.from Sleaford and North Hykeham said in her excellent maiden speech, this

:58:47. > :58:53.is not a request, it was an instruction. Mr Speaker, there

:58:54. > :59:06.should therefore camp, there should be a time for us to come together

:59:07. > :59:14.and not be divided on this decision. Our responsible it is to the public

:59:15. > :59:27.that we represent. And that is why I will be supporting this bill. I

:59:28. > :59:36.welcome this debate here today. It has been a good debate with people

:59:37. > :59:39.opening the heart and telling the honest facts as they see it. And

:59:40. > :59:41.this is a historic decision. A decision that we are taking in

:59:42. > :59:46.Parliament. But let us not forget that the decision has already been

:59:47. > :59:49.delivered by the people of the United Kingdom. They have at the

:59:50. > :59:57.receipt. We gave them the opportunity to have their say and

:59:58. > :00:10.they have had it. It has not been as was indicated here earlier today,

:00:11. > :00:18.that it was an act of madness of this House. I deplore that

:00:19. > :00:20.suggestion. This was a decision that was delivered by the people and we

:00:21. > :00:23.must respect it. Yes? People can have their views and I can respect

:00:24. > :00:26.those views any year as well. But I live in a constituency which is

:00:27. > :00:35.right out in the west of the United Kingdom. I am bordered by four

:00:36. > :00:39.counties in the Republic of Ireland. So we need to have flexibility. But

:00:40. > :00:41.let us move on and get that flexibility. Let us have that Common

:00:42. > :00:44.travel area, let us have an open border, as open as possible, so that

:00:45. > :00:49.we can have good friendships with the rest with the European Union,

:00:50. > :00:57.when we leave the European Union. Because we are not leaving Europe.

:00:58. > :00:59.We are as good as Europeans as anybody. Our ancestors went and

:01:00. > :01:02.fought for Europe. We went the same as our colleagues from Scotland,

:01:03. > :01:04.England Wales and many other Commonwealth countries as well. We

:01:05. > :01:10.went and help those Europeans and we still want that Common relationship.

:01:11. > :01:13.But the people have delivered a decision for us. I think it is more

:01:14. > :01:16.important now that we look to how we make the best of that decision. We

:01:17. > :01:19.need to get the best for all constituents, for the people of the

:01:20. > :01:22.United Kingdom. And the only way to do that is to work in harmony as far

:01:23. > :01:39.as reasonably possible. I am happy to give way. I thank the

:01:40. > :01:46.honourable member for giving way. Would he agree that we have

:01:47. > :02:01.unfettered access to travel across these islands and

:02:02. > :02:18.borrowing... I agree with the honourable member.

:02:19. > :02:32.We are Northern Ireland support that position. What we wanted for the all

:02:33. > :02:34.of the United Kingdom. There is a great trade between the Republic of

:02:35. > :02:37.Ireland and Great Britain. Great trade between Northern Ireland and

:02:38. > :02:47.the Republic of Ireland and we want to see that flourish.

:02:48. > :02:52.One of the benefits of making a later contribution is the

:02:53. > :02:56.opportunity to reflect on earlier speeches and one came from the late

:02:57. > :03:01.yesterday evening when the member for Austen and Skegness, a supporter

:03:02. > :03:05.of remain in the referendum but representing a constituency voting

:03:06. > :03:10.to leave, set it very clearly why it is important to recognise the result

:03:11. > :03:13.of the referendum and we should vote to deliver the wishes of

:03:14. > :03:20.constituents and country. That is my position. Last week I met with some

:03:21. > :03:24.schoolchildren in my constituency on a visit and I got some pretty

:03:25. > :03:28.serious questions, which is why did I vote remain. I explained why I

:03:29. > :03:33.thought remaining was better for businesses and gave us a sense of

:03:34. > :03:36.certainty. They asked me why so many people voted to leave and I said

:03:37. > :03:40.that I believed people were attracted by the proposition of

:03:41. > :03:44.taking control particularly over immigration, and then they came up

:03:45. > :03:56.with a tough one, what happens next? Today's debate is all about this,

:03:57. > :04:00.the next two years. We have a clear and simple bill before us

:04:01. > :04:07.representing the result of the July - June referendum. I supported the

:04:08. > :04:13.decision to give the people a say. It was in the Conservative Party

:04:14. > :04:17.manifesto and 2015 my constituents gave me a significantly larger

:04:18. > :04:21.majority in parliament voted 6-1 in favour, so it follows that support

:04:22. > :04:28.for the referendum requires respect its outcome and as the member for

:04:29. > :04:33.Bedfordshire argued, I can't see how anyone can suggest otherwise. We

:04:34. > :04:38.didn't have a decision on this over 40 years, the body we are member of

:04:39. > :04:43.has changed and it is harrowing night we had that decision, but has

:04:44. > :04:48.with the United States election, if we ask a public a question we

:04:49. > :04:52.shouldn't be too surprised if they come up with an unexpected answer

:04:53. > :04:56.and it is our job to implement that. The decision presents us with

:04:57. > :04:58.opportunities and that was borne out to meet any discussion with the

:04:59. > :05:04.small business owner in my community. He joined me and handing

:05:05. > :05:11.out leaflets but he described the referendum decision, as a business

:05:12. > :05:17.owner pitching to retain custom for his business, and we are that

:05:18. > :05:22.decision had gone against that company, the customer decided not to

:05:23. > :05:26.renew. A businessman has to start to look elsewhere for other deals and

:05:27. > :05:32.that is precisely the approach this government has taken today with the

:05:33. > :05:34.formation of a new department for international trade, making deals

:05:35. > :05:37.for new partners and managing the process of leaving. I have

:05:38. > :05:43.misgivings about the route we are about to go down but we must respect

:05:44. > :05:44.the wishes of the people and bring forward a bill to support