:00:09. > :00:33.Order, order. The ayes to the right, 271. The noes to the left, 305.
:00:34. > :00:41.The ayes to the right, 271, the noes to the left, 305, the noes have it.
:00:42. > :00:42.Unlock! The question is the amendment made. As many as are of
:00:43. > :00:58.the opinion, say "aye". To the the ayes have it. We've now, to the
:00:59. > :01:04.second group amendment one, with which it will be convenient to
:01:05. > :01:15.consider amendments to be close to. Patricia Gibson to move amendment.
:01:16. > :01:19.To move the motion, I wish to speak to amendment one in my name and that
:01:20. > :01:26.of my honourable friend for Portmarnock allowed in. --, and
:01:27. > :01:29.loads. And requires the Government to undertake an impact assessment
:01:30. > :01:36.before bringing forward regulations to amend the definition on the list
:01:37. > :01:41.act. Clause two of the bill requires only... There is a lot of
:01:42. > :01:47.conversation, I really am struggling. Please can we keep
:01:48. > :01:54.conversations until people leave the chamber. Patricia Gibson. Clause two
:01:55. > :01:57.requires only the secretary of state has an affirmative resolution by
:01:58. > :02:00.both houses but that is not enough. The Government should conduct a
:02:01. > :02:07.proper consultation and assess potential impact of any changes
:02:08. > :02:11.proposed to the Atol scheme. That it intends to introduce its secondary
:02:12. > :02:14.legislation. Any proposals must be fully transparent and consumers and
:02:15. > :02:18.businesses alike must be formally consulted on the process to allow
:02:19. > :02:20.for proper scrutiny. We trust the Minister will accept this and our
:02:21. > :02:27.reasons for proposing this amendment.
:02:28. > :02:31.The question is amendment one be made.
:02:32. > :02:36.Minister. Mr Speaker, Mr Deputy Speaker, I beg your pardon, I can
:02:37. > :02:40.satisfy the honourable lady entirely, I really intend to ensure
:02:41. > :02:44.there is exactly what she asks for, we have full consultation and impact
:02:45. > :02:48.assessment with respect to any regulations under the measures I
:02:49. > :02:52.bring to the house today. On that basis I hope she will withdraw the
:02:53. > :03:01.amendment, if she does not she will look rather daft.
:03:02. > :03:08.I rise to speak to amendment three. I am hoping you will select the
:03:09. > :03:14.amendment for a division. With this amendment we are seeking commitment
:03:15. > :03:19.by the Minister that the Government would conduct a thorough impact
:03:20. > :03:22.assessment consultation before implementing the power. The second
:03:23. > :03:27.clause relates to add travel trusts which is the legal vehicle that
:03:28. > :03:32.holds the money that is then used to refund consumers and the Atol
:03:33. > :03:36.protections. It would give the Secretary of State the power to
:03:37. > :03:41.define a separate trust arrangement to reflect different market models,
:03:42. > :03:46.prefiguring some of the changes in the holiday package market referred
:03:47. > :03:50.to by the Minister. This amendment would require the Government to
:03:51. > :03:55.undertake a full and proper review and public consultation. Before
:03:56. > :04:02.bringing in any of the changes that would be enabled and that the powers
:04:03. > :04:10.in clause two. Like clause one, clause two does not see directly
:04:11. > :04:13.relevant to analysing the EU and UK regulations. Instead it is a dormant
:04:14. > :04:18.power the Government will retain in order to make considerable changes
:04:19. > :04:23.to Atol, in particular to air travel trusts. That is where Brexit,
:04:24. > :04:27.perhaps, does come in, because we're such changes to happen but not where
:04:28. > :04:38.such changes to happen they would most likely be in the event of
:04:39. > :04:41.leaving the EU. Richard Moriarty of the Civil Aviation Authority and
:04:42. > :04:46.trustee of the current air travel trusts spoke about recognising the
:04:47. > :04:51.possible merits of separating the trust to reflect variations of
:04:52. > :04:55.products in the market. However, he explained we simply are not there
:04:56. > :05:01.yet and that it would be one for the Government to use this bill as it
:05:02. > :05:05.means of making changes without June consultation. The Minister made it
:05:06. > :05:09.clear in a letter to my honourable friend for Middlesbrough changes
:05:10. > :05:15.would be made only through the affirmative procedure yet the bill
:05:16. > :05:18.does not account for any further consultation of part of this
:05:19. > :05:24.measure. At the impact assessment the Government have undertaken it
:05:25. > :05:28.explicitly state it does not consider proposals for atoll
:05:29. > :05:31.reformed beyond what is required in the package travel directive. It
:05:32. > :05:37.would therefore be rather inappropriate for the Minister to go
:05:38. > :05:41.beyond that without providing assurances at this stage proper
:05:42. > :05:45.consultation and scrutiny would take place if they are minded to go
:05:46. > :05:51.beyond changes already envisaged. During evidence session Mr Moriarty
:05:52. > :05:56.said he hoped the Government would follow the practice they have
:05:57. > :06:01.followed so far, consult with regulators, consult with the
:06:02. > :06:05.industry and do the impact assessment and so on. This amendment
:06:06. > :06:17.is simply saying that, it is fair and reasonable and guarantees
:06:18. > :06:24.further changes to scrutiny. Patricia Gibson.
:06:25. > :06:29.Then the light of the Minister's assurances tonight I withdraw the
:06:30. > :06:36.amendment. Is it your place amendment one be
:06:37. > :06:42.withdrawn. Amendment one withdrawn. We now come to question amendment
:06:43. > :06:45.three. The question is amendment three be made. As many as are of the
:06:46. > :07:46.opinion, say "aye". To the contrary, "no".. Claire the lobbies!
:07:47. > :07:52.Right. The question is that amendment only be made. As many of
:07:53. > :14:53.of that opinion say aye. To the contrary, no.
:14:54. > :19:25.order, order. The ayes to the right, 274. The noes to the left, feared
:19:26. > :19:34.and seven. -- 307. Ayes to the right, turned and 74. The noes to
:19:35. > :19:41.the left, 307. The noes have it, the noes have it. The question was that
:19:42. > :19:55.clause two stand part of the bill. As many of that opinion say aye. On
:19:56. > :19:59.the contrary, no. The ayes have it. The question is that clause four
:20:00. > :20:04.stand part of the bill. As many of that opinion say aye. On the
:20:05. > :20:13.contrary, no. The ayes have it. We now come to new clause one. Tricia
:20:14. > :20:19.Gibson to move. I beg to move new clause one in my name. It requires
:20:20. > :20:25.the UK Government to report regularly on the threat of Brexit on
:20:26. > :20:30.consumer protection under the Atol scheme and to report annually on the
:20:31. > :20:33.progress it has made. Brexit throws up great uncertainties, not least in
:20:34. > :20:36.the aviation sector, with regards to passenger rights, compensation
:20:37. > :20:41.schemes and how much change and schemes and how much change and
:20:42. > :20:46.stability can be expected. There is also the question of how EU airlines
:20:47. > :20:50.and passengers might be affected. The overriding concern with this
:20:51. > :20:55.bill, welcome as it is, is consumer concerns must be safeguarded.
:20:56. > :21:00.Furthermore, such consumer protection is enhanced and updated
:21:01. > :21:06.as society and technology evolves. Just as they have during our EU
:21:07. > :21:10.membership. The UK cannot be left behind in a stagnating situation in
:21:11. > :21:14.this regard in a post Brexit world. New clause one is an extremely
:21:15. > :21:18.comfort and confidence to consumers. comfort and confidence to consumers.
:21:19. > :21:23.Otherwise, such a lack of guarantees will leave passengers vulnerable and
:21:24. > :21:28.potentially put people off booking holidays, which can only be bad news
:21:29. > :21:30.for an outbound tourism economy. It is so vital for jobs in Scotland and
:21:31. > :21:35.the rest of the UK and we intend to the rest of the UK and we intend to
:21:36. > :21:42.do press this matter to a division... The question is the new
:21:43. > :21:47.clause one will be better second time.
:21:48. > :21:51.I am grateful, Mr Deputy Speaker. As I said with previous amendments, I
:21:52. > :21:56.endorse and indeed support this member's partners. Either way, I am
:21:57. > :22:02.grateful for the honourable lady for withdrawing her earlier amendment
:22:03. > :22:05.following the assurance I gave her. And they say to the honourable
:22:06. > :22:09.gentleman opposite that I am committed to fill consultation and
:22:10. > :22:10.regulations as they are rolled out regulations as they are rolled out
:22:11. > :22:23.as a result of this legislation. The atoll legislation is not
:22:24. > :22:27.dependent on the package travel directive, this bill will harmonise
:22:28. > :22:33.at all with the package travel directive in the immediate term,
:22:34. > :22:40.however, atoll legislation and protection will exist and remain in
:22:41. > :22:46.place as we leave the EU. It is made by an framed in and supported by
:22:47. > :22:51.domestic legislation so whilst I understand the honourable lady's
:22:52. > :22:58.point, I have to say to her I think the new clause is a necessary, as it
:22:59. > :23:03.is enshrined in an act of this Parliament and all that Parliament
:23:04. > :23:07.can change this. Therefore, I hope the honourable lady, mindful of that
:23:08. > :23:14.and the assurances I have already given about consultation and further
:23:15. > :23:19.review, and indeed impact assessments, and the fact I
:23:20. > :23:26.mentioned there will be a review of all of this matters and what I have
:23:27. > :23:30.said about, I hope, given all of that, she might withdraw the new
:23:31. > :23:39.clause in her name and the name of others.
:23:40. > :23:46.These consumer protection measures require an assessment and we will
:23:47. > :23:50.support the cause. The question is new clause one be ready second. As
:23:51. > :23:52.many as are of the opinion, say "aye". To the contrary, "no".
:23:53. > :25:27.Division. Clear the lobbies! Order, the question is new clause
:25:28. > :25:35.one be read a second time. Just sits a minute. The question is new clause
:25:36. > :25:41.one be read a second time. That is an absolute disgrace. Right, we will
:25:42. > :25:48.try again and see if we can make progress. The question is new clause
:25:49. > :25:49.one be read a second time. As many as are of the opinion, say "aye". To
:25:50. > :35:46.the contrary, "no". Order. The ayes to the right 273,
:35:47. > :35:53.the noes the left 308. Thank you. The ayes to the right
:35:54. > :36:04.273, the noes to the left, 308. The noes have it. Unlock. The question
:36:05. > :36:07.is I do report is the bill without amendments to the house, As many as
:36:08. > :36:12.are of the opinion, say "aye". To the contrary, "no". The ayes have
:36:13. > :36:39.it. Order, order. Let me find out where I am.
:36:40. > :36:47.I don't believe that for one moment. Order, order. I beg to move the
:36:48. > :36:53.house has gone through the bill and made no amendment.
:36:54. > :36:57.Third reading. Minister to move. I am immensely grateful, Mr Deputy
:36:58. > :37:03.Speaker. What a pleasure it is to move the third reading of this
:37:04. > :37:07.important bill and to be able to do so in the knowledge it be considered
:37:08. > :37:15.in the spirit it deserves, there has been properly reasoned and measure
:37:16. > :37:21.it and sensible debate about its provisions and I am grateful to
:37:22. > :37:27.members of all sides of the hose for contributing to that process. I do
:37:28. > :37:31.think it was a little unnecessary we voted once or twice earlier but
:37:32. > :37:39.let's put that to one side because I fully appreciate opposition must do
:37:40. > :37:43.its job, if only to maintain the morale of the parliamentary party
:37:44. > :37:46.that knows it is no need to power now and it was a week or a month or
:37:47. > :37:56.a year ago. Put that one side. This is an
:37:57. > :37:59.important piece of legislation which as we said repeatedly brings
:38:00. > :38:00.up-to-date and up to speed the arrangements under the
:38:01. > :38:04.which protect travellers. Those which protect travellers. Those
:38:05. > :38:09.arrangements have been proven time arrangements have been proven time
:38:10. > :38:13.and time again to be effective. They are necessary and desirable, as has
:38:14. > :38:21.been acknowledged throughout our consideration. Benjamin Disraeli, we
:38:22. > :38:26.have heard too little of this afternoon. He said, like all great
:38:27. > :38:31.travellers, I have seen more and I remember more than I have seen. What
:38:32. > :38:35.I remember of these considerations is, as I said, they have been
:38:36. > :38:39.conducted in the way that Parliament should look at all such matters. I
:38:40. > :38:44.am entirely confident that the bill, as it proceeds, will continue to
:38:45. > :38:51.provide reassurance to travellers, the necessary provisions for
:38:52. > :39:00.businesses, and in those terms will do this Government and this
:39:01. > :39:02.house-proud. It is right that the Government should act in the
:39:03. > :39:07.interest of the common good. For that is enshrined in all that we are
:39:08. > :39:18.in my party and I hope that other parties in this House will gradually
:39:19. > :39:21.over time learn from that. So I welcome entirely the way that we
:39:22. > :39:27.have dealt with these matters. I look forward to the further
:39:28. > :39:36.consideration of them was the bill becomes law. I have committed to
:39:37. > :39:41.review the thoroughly and is the regulations will do, it is important
:39:42. > :39:46.to amplify it and review the implications of that in the way that
:39:47. > :39:52.is recommended by this House. We can be proud of this legislation. I am
:39:53. > :39:56.sure it is not just fit for purpose but necessary, desirable and
:39:57. > :40:08.efficacious and I move it on that basis. The question is that the bill
:40:09. > :40:12.be read after time. -- a third time. The Labour Party is supportive of
:40:13. > :40:15.the Atol bill and we will vote in support of it. But there are
:40:16. > :40:22.concerns on the impact of some parts of the bill which were expressed
:40:23. > :40:29.when this was first discussed. We hope that the Minister has taken on
:40:30. > :40:34.board the points made by Labour, echoed by the SNP, who re-tabled the
:40:35. > :40:37.amendments in the committee. The House will be aware that the Prime
:40:38. > :40:42.Minister has asked the opposition to help the Government five providing
:40:43. > :40:46.some policy suggestions. But it seems that the SNP are not even
:40:47. > :40:52.asking for help but rather just take Labour's policy ideas as their own
:40:53. > :40:56.and we should probably take that as a compliment, Mr Deputy Speaker. We
:40:57. > :41:03.support the bill because it brings Atol up-to-date and it will ensure
:41:04. > :41:07.that it syncs up with the latest travel directive, extending to a
:41:08. > :41:11.wider range of holidays and protecting more consumers as well as
:41:12. > :41:17.a leading UK travel companies to sell more seamlessly across Europe.
:41:18. > :41:20.Whilst we have some real concerns over whether UK consumers will be is
:41:21. > :41:25.officially protected by a UBS companies as they will no longer be
:41:26. > :41:29.subject to Atol, but a member state equivalents, we welcome the changes
:41:30. > :41:32.which will ultimately help to protect more holiday-makers. The
:41:33. > :41:36.invitations for tet-mac two after invitations for tet-mac two after
:41:37. > :41:42.Brexit and also cause for concern. -- four Atol. The bill proposes that
:41:43. > :41:44.the Secretary of State requires only an affirmative resolution
:41:45. > :41:50.significantly reform Atol and the significantly reform Atol and the
:41:51. > :41:54.air travel trust fund. Labour recognises the merit of some reforms
:41:55. > :41:57.but we believe an impact assessment, fill consultation and scrutiny
:41:58. > :42:03.should have been required before any fundamental changes are made to
:42:04. > :42:06.these consumer sections. -- protections. The issue brings to the
:42:07. > :42:13.forefront uncertainties over the future of the UK of the nation -- of
:42:14. > :42:16.UK aviation following the decision to leave EU. The Labour Party has
:42:17. > :42:22.been clear in that whatever framework is chosen, we should
:42:23. > :42:30.prioritise working in an unchanged operating environment. The service
:42:31. > :42:33.agreements should be prioritised. As is customary, such agreement should
:42:34. > :42:36.be negotiated separately from and prior to negotiations on trade with
:42:37. > :42:43.EU. The Government must not waste the opportunity that this bill
:42:44. > :42:48.presents to clarify intended future arrangements for our aviation
:42:49. > :42:53.industry. The UK aviation sector is the largest in Europe, Fab largest
:42:54. > :42:57.in the world, supporting 1 million jobs and bringing 9 billion into the
:42:58. > :43:06.Treasury in taxes each. -- third largest. But aviation also provides
:43:07. > :43:10.a network infrastructure that allows other industries to do well also.
:43:11. > :43:17.Half a million jobs in the UK tourism industry as a porter by
:43:18. > :43:27.aviation. 40 but since -- 40% of UK exports go via airports. The EU is
:43:28. > :43:33.largest destination, 49% of passengers travel there. Airlines
:43:34. > :43:38.that operate from within UK unable to operate within the EU single
:43:39. > :43:44.aviation market, which allows them to operate freely within the EU
:43:45. > :43:58.without restrictions on capacity, frequency and pricing.
:43:59. > :44:08.Significantly, this includes three you, -- EU open skies agreement.
:44:09. > :44:12.That allows airlines to deal to fly between the EU and the US. If
:44:13. > :44:16.Britain leads the year without retaining any form of European
:44:17. > :44:20.common aviation membership, airlines common aviation membership, airlines
:44:21. > :44:23.will need to negotiate new lines to operate freely within the EU and
:44:24. > :44:26.operate transatlantic routes. This means that there will be no legal
:44:27. > :44:37.framework that allows airlines to fly to those destinations within
:44:38. > :44:41.with thin -- within the UK. It means airlines could lose the right to fly
:44:42. > :44:48.Aviation is legally unique. It is Aviation is legally unique. It is
:44:49. > :44:51.separate from trade agreements and it does not form part of the World
:44:52. > :44:57.Trade Organisation system. Instead, countries negotiate bilateral or
:44:58. > :45:03.multilateral are service agreements to provide airlines with legal
:45:04. > :45:08.rights to fly to certain places. To ensure the continuity of
:45:09. > :45:13.connectivity, the UK will need to negotiate a new air service
:45:14. > :45:18.agreement with countries like the US if there is no agreement at the time
:45:19. > :45:23.the UK leads the EU. Connectivity could be undermined and the UK
:45:24. > :45:27.ability to trade be much more difficult. It is imperative that the
:45:28. > :45:35.Government should prioritise retaining an essentially unchanged
:45:36. > :45:37.operating environment. That is why we should prioritise air services
:45:38. > :45:42.agreement as part of Brexit negotiations. Does the measures in
:45:43. > :45:46.this bill are important and will provide additional security to UK
:45:47. > :45:49.holiday-makers, it is strange the Government find it necessary to
:45:50. > :45:54.debate was built of the whole house. The measures in the bill were
:45:55. > :45:58.included previously and passed through the committee stage before
:45:59. > :45:59.the primaries to decided to call the unnecessary snap general election. I
:46:00. > :46:03.think that I am right in saying, Mr think that I am right in saying, Mr
:46:04. > :46:10.Deputy Speaker, these provisions were debated in that bill in normal
:46:11. > :46:17.than 45 minutes in committee. The Government had not made changes to
:46:18. > :46:25.proposal. We don't understand why the decision was taken for this
:46:26. > :46:28.largely niche bill to take up time in the chamber, other than to try
:46:29. > :46:31.and disguise the fact that this chaotic Government have a thread be
:46:32. > :46:38.a legislative programme for this Parliament. I just make a point that
:46:39. > :46:41.as a result of that scrutiny, which the honourable gentleman should not
:46:42. > :46:46.disparage, because he has played an important part of making it real, we
:46:47. > :46:51.have had a good debate about the issue of review, impact assessments
:46:52. > :46:58.and further consultation. Those things very close to his heart. It
:46:59. > :47:02.has the really useful purpose. He makes a fair enough point, but it
:47:03. > :47:05.seems, with respect to the Minister, that there has been a terrible waste
:47:06. > :47:10.of time debating this in the committee of the whole house when in
:47:11. > :47:17.fact it was dealt with in 45 minutes in committee upstairs. Mr Deputy
:47:18. > :47:21.Speaker, for sake of appearances, it has been broken up into component
:47:22. > :47:29.parts and has now been given undue time for debate in this chairman. Of
:47:30. > :47:32.course. -- in this chamber. I am terribly grateful to remember. It is
:47:33. > :47:36.of course not a waste of time to discuss anything pertaining to the
:47:37. > :47:39.whole of the UK in this House and in committee of the whole of the House
:47:40. > :47:43.because it gives me the opportunity to remind the Minister that we have
:47:44. > :47:46.three airports in Northern Ireland. We in Northern Ireland are the only
:47:47. > :47:53.part physically connected to another EU member state, the Republic of
:47:54. > :47:58.Ireland. It is only important. We don't want to lose traffic and
:47:59. > :48:03.airport traffic from Northern Ireland to airports like Dublin. She
:48:04. > :48:10.makes up good point on behalf of our constituency but I don't think
:48:11. > :48:16.requires your response from me. I thank the Minister for giving way.
:48:17. > :48:22.This is a bit of an occasion, really, because the opposition
:48:23. > :48:25.traditionally complain that things are not given time the Government
:48:26. > :48:29.has tried to rush it through. That there has not been sufficient
:48:30. > :48:34.examination. The Shadow Minister seems to be making quite a precedent
:48:35. > :48:39.here that he is complaining this bill has been given too much time.
:48:40. > :48:42.Why is that? If he will allow me to continue, will make the point in a
:48:43. > :48:49.minute or two that they are very important issues debated which are
:48:50. > :48:55.now not going to be debated. And indeed made into legislation. By
:48:56. > :49:01.breaking up the bill, message was included have been dropped. Measures
:49:02. > :49:02.which could have been included to improve legislation through
:49:03. > :49:05.clauses and amendments will no clauses and amendments will no
:49:06. > :49:11.longer be added because the longer within the scope of forthcoming
:49:12. > :49:15.bills. The proposal to make the shining lasers and vehicles control
:49:16. > :49:19.towers and enforceable criminal offence, which were strongly
:49:20. > :49:24.supported by the side of the House, which we would be happy to support,
:49:25. > :49:28.has been dropped altogether. That is clearly concerning. We do not want
:49:29. > :49:36.to see avoidable disasters brought about by the malicious use of
:49:37. > :49:41.Labour's -- lasers and nor does the Minister. Can he explain why he is
:49:42. > :49:44.dropped these plans and when he proposes to legislate to tackle this
:49:45. > :49:48.serious problem?, again there is nothing in the bill for the
:49:49. > :49:53.inclusion of the much-needed regulations on drones. The
:49:54. > :49:57.Government respond to the consultation on drones I think in
:49:58. > :50:00.have made much more progress have made much more progress
:50:01. > :50:05.already, including making decisions on whether the UK should follow
:50:06. > :50:10.other countries by establishing a compulsory registration scheme and
:50:11. > :50:13.getting systematic geo- fencing in place to physically stop drones
:50:14. > :50:20.getting near airports and other places where they could be
:50:21. > :50:23.potentially so dangerous. It makes no sense of the Government to have
:50:24. > :50:28.abandoned the bill in which action on drones could have been included.
:50:29. > :50:34.These are decisions that will make aviation less safe than it should
:50:35. > :50:39.such incidents confirmed and the such incidents confirmed and the
:50:40. > :50:45.first five months of this year, there were 70 last year and 29 in
:50:46. > :50:52.2015. Just ten in the five years preceding. We need legislation to
:50:53. > :50:55.regulate the use of drones, to tackle the worrying trend of near
:50:56. > :50:59.misses with planes. The aviation industry have been clear, Mr Deputy
:51:00. > :51:04.Speaker, that they need the Government to act on these concerns
:51:05. > :51:09.now. We on this side of the House have been pressing them on this
:51:10. > :51:15.issue for many years. Without action, it is a question of when,
:51:16. > :51:18.rather than if there is a passenger plane involved in a drone related
:51:19. > :51:23.incident. So will the Minister explain why this has been dropped
:51:24. > :51:25.and what plans he has to get it right? It is just one month into
:51:26. > :51:26.this new parliament and the this new parliament and
:51:27. > :51:31.Government are already running out Government are already running out
:51:32. > :51:33.of steam. Which is why we have been debating this bill on the floor of
:51:34. > :51:37.the House rather upstairs in committee. The Prime Minister is
:51:38. > :51:43.attempting to crowds of policy ideas from the opposition and in this
:51:44. > :51:46.case, we can assist. The Government needs to bring forward legislation
:51:47. > :51:51.on the misuse of lasers. On the regulation of drones. And provide
:51:52. > :51:56.clarity and certainty for UK aviation post Brexit. We welcome the
:51:57. > :51:59.Government adopting these policies and they will have our full support
:52:00. > :52:03.if they do so. Leave abruptly supports the bill because it extends
:52:04. > :52:08.protection is afforded to many more holiday-makers but we one clarity
:52:09. > :52:13.and a UK-based companies, which longer subject to Atol, will be
:52:14. > :52:24.provided protection to UK consumers. The best possible framework to
:52:25. > :52:28.ensure that the sector flourishes but this means preparing ourselves
:52:29. > :52:34.for the many implications of Brexit on Atol and the aviation sector as a
:52:35. > :52:40.whole. I and very much work I began in a
:52:41. > :52:43.welcoming and supporting the Government's majors to update the
:52:44. > :52:47.Atol scheme to provide more passenger protection and align it
:52:48. > :52:52.with the latest EU directives and the further progress made in this
:52:53. > :52:58.debate. I was disappointed to hear the member for Kingston-upon-Hull
:52:59. > :53:02.complaining that process has taken too long. I would suggest to the
:53:03. > :53:06.honourable gentleman if he sees this as a problem perhaps he has
:53:07. > :53:10.contributed to it with his extensive remarks which I am sure we all
:53:11. > :53:15.enjoyed but he seems to contribute to the problem here that if I is.
:53:16. > :53:19.I am grateful to the honourable lady. I did not complain it has
:53:20. > :53:23.taken too long I simply made the point the time in this house is
:53:24. > :53:28.incredibly important and there is a lot of things discussed and debated
:53:29. > :53:35.which could have made the legislation but the time has been
:53:36. > :53:38.wasted. 45 minutes in committee, that was the point.
:53:39. > :53:42.I believe the Minister has taken on board a very legitimate and legal
:53:43. > :53:45.concerns expressed tonight about the rights of consumers and how they are
:53:46. > :53:50.to be protected and have their current rate is guaranteed as we
:53:51. > :53:57.head towards a post Brexit world. There can and must not be any
:53:58. > :54:00.diminution or stagnation in passengers' rights as technology
:54:01. > :54:04.advances. It is heartening to see the way this bill has proceeded
:54:05. > :54:13.through the house and the ensuing debate and I will be delighted to be
:54:14. > :54:18.part of it. Briefly, I don't want to delay the
:54:19. > :54:23.house... I am sure the Minister will beg the lead of the house to address
:54:24. > :54:34.the house again. I do not want to detain the house at
:54:35. > :54:40.length, except... Except to say that to affirm my thanks to all members
:54:41. > :54:45.who have contributed to this debate. I hear what the honourable gentleman
:54:46. > :54:48.says about the previous bill, he drew attention to those elements of
:54:49. > :54:55.the bill which were not being considered today, this is very much
:54:56. > :55:00.part of that earlier bill, but we have made clear in the Queen's
:55:01. > :55:05.Speech we intend to bring further legislation in the area of transport
:55:06. > :55:12.and I'm happy to continue to have conversation about drones and
:55:13. > :55:17.lasers, as he suggested. It has been in the debate, a good bill and I
:55:18. > :55:21.think we will leave it at that. The question is the bill be now read
:55:22. > :55:28.the third time. As many as are of the opinion, say "aye". To the
:55:29. > :55:36.contrary, "no". The ayes have it, the ayes have it.
:55:37. > :55:46.We now come to the motion relating to high-speed two and electronic
:55:47. > :55:50.deposits of documents. I call the Minister Michael Ellis to move the
:55:51. > :55:55.motion. Thank you very much. I beg to move
:55:56. > :55:59.the motion in the name of the Leader of the House. Her Majesty's gracious
:56:00. > :56:03.speech gave notice of the Government's intention to introduce
:56:04. > :56:08.a hybrid bill to parliament later in the year to take forward the next
:56:09. > :56:12.phase of HS2. As a hybrid bill that will be governed by the Standing
:56:13. > :56:16.Orders for private business. Parlour's review of the Standing
:56:17. > :56:21.Orders following the passage of the high-speed rail London West Midlands
:56:22. > :56:27.act has not yet concluded and is the first significant review since 1948.
:56:28. > :56:32.It is therefore necessary to move this motion to update parliamentary
:56:33. > :56:37.procedure to reflect developments in technology since 1948. If I may I
:56:38. > :56:43.will explain briefly the changes to the house which replicate those the
:56:44. > :56:48.house authorised in 2013 ahead of the introduction of the previous
:56:49. > :56:52.hybrid bill. The house will be aware along with the HS2 hybrid bill later
:56:53. > :56:56.this year we will provide Parliament with the environmental statement.
:56:57. > :57:00.This will set out the likely significant environmental effects of
:57:01. > :57:05.the scheme and put forward proposals for alleviating those effects. For a
:57:06. > :57:08.project of this magnitude that is a considerable level of detail
:57:09. > :57:15.involved. We expect the statement to be up to 12,000 pages long. It is of
:57:16. > :57:21.course important local communities can easily find out what the impact
:57:22. > :57:25.will be on their local area. However, current Standing Orders
:57:26. > :57:29.require a us to deposit a hard copy of that document to every local
:57:30. > :57:34.authority area along the line of the route. In this day and age that is
:57:35. > :57:39.inconvenient for the communities involved, especially for parish
:57:40. > :57:43.councils, many of which do not have sufficient space so they asked us to
:57:44. > :57:49.deliver it elsewhere, often a library nearby. That is why the
:57:50. > :57:54.motion allows for the electronic deposits of Bill documentation for
:57:55. > :57:59.the HS2 hybrid bill. I am most grateful honourable friend
:58:00. > :58:05.and as one who is seriously opposed to this hybrid bill which runs right
:58:06. > :58:09.through my constituency and want to make quite sure if he would be good
:58:10. > :58:14.enough to give us written undertaking there will be provision
:58:15. > :58:20.of written material of the kind he describes, although I understand why
:58:21. > :58:25.it should be in electronic form. It is a promise of power, it does
:58:26. > :58:31.not require documents to be deposited in electronic format only,
:58:32. > :58:39.if deposit location once all the documents and hard copy, HS2 Limited
:58:40. > :58:43.will provide them so. The motion allows for the electronic deposit of
:58:44. > :58:47.Bill documentation for the HS2 Hybrid bill, making it easier for
:58:48. > :58:52.communities across the route to find the information most relevant to
:58:53. > :58:55.their area without having to work through an otherwise enormous
:58:56. > :58:58.document and will also make it but like I will give way to my
:58:59. > :59:05.honourable friend. What will happen if because of the
:59:06. > :59:11.cruelty of this Government the libraries have been closed and there
:59:12. > :59:15.was therefore room for the hard copies of the bill, even though the
:59:16. > :59:21.local areas wanted them. How would you handle that? I don't
:59:22. > :59:27.accept the characterisation of my right honourable friend. On previous
:59:28. > :59:32.occasions nearby community libraries have been asked to store Rabat has
:59:33. > :59:37.been storage problem so I anticipate alternative mechanisms could be in
:59:38. > :59:44.place. As I said, it should be noted that is a permissive power. It does
:59:45. > :59:51.not require documents be deposited electronically only so if a location
:59:52. > :59:54.once all the documents and hard copy HS2 will provide them so and in all
:59:55. > :00:01.cases HS2 Limited will make available the key document and hard
:00:02. > :00:04.copy such as the bill itself and the nontechnical summary of the
:00:05. > :00:09.environmental statement. Further, members of the public will be able
:00:10. > :00:14.to phone his chest to Limited can ask for free hard copies of the
:00:15. > :00:19.nontechnical summary -- HS2 Limited, the local community area report and
:00:20. > :00:22.maps. If you deposit location with that document in electronic form but
:00:23. > :00:27.does not have the equipment to make them available to the community, HS2
:00:28. > :00:33.will also provide the equipment and it -- at its own expense. This is a
:00:34. > :00:35.wholly sensible organisation of standing order requirements that
:00:36. > :00:39.were originally conceived in the 19th century and is about making it
:00:40. > :00:42.easier for people to engage with the hybrid bill process and therefore
:00:43. > :00:52.ensuring the most effective decision-making by Parliament.
:00:53. > :00:57.Of course he just sort of widely referred to the maps, of course the
:00:58. > :01:00.maps, specifications, the limits of deviation, he knows perfectly well
:01:01. > :01:05.how much always involves. Can I have an assurance from him if it is
:01:06. > :01:12.required all those things will also be made available in hard copy? Yes.
:01:13. > :01:14.Reasonable request, yes. This is a wholly sensible modernisation of
:01:15. > :01:20.standing order requirements and is easier for people, about making it
:01:21. > :01:27.easier for people to engage with the hybrid bill process. I commend this
:01:28. > :01:35.motion to the house. The question is motion number three,
:01:36. > :01:39.as on the order paper. Can I start by thanking the deputy
:01:40. > :01:42.Leader of the House or his explanation of the changes in
:01:43. > :01:47.Standing Orders for the purposes of the bill. Hybrid bills are a rarity
:01:48. > :01:52.in the house, public bill proposes a law that affects the private
:01:53. > :01:56.interests of a particular person or organisation. This bill will affect
:01:57. > :02:02.the general public and specific household along the route of the HS2
:02:03. > :02:05.line phase two. The house has already agreed these changes in
:02:06. > :02:10.similar circumstances for phase one of the HS2 project from London to
:02:11. > :02:13.the West Midlands and these changes relate to phase two of the project
:02:14. > :02:19.allowing for the construction of the route from Birmingham to crew,
:02:20. > :02:24.approximately 50 miles apart. These changes allowing for electronic
:02:25. > :02:28.copies and documents to be made available are eminently sensible.
:02:29. > :02:34.Could I ask the deputy Leader of the House if you could clarify a couple
:02:35. > :02:39.of things. On the motion under section three, it says copies of so
:02:40. > :02:44.much of it as the person may reasonably require and such copies
:02:45. > :02:48.made, be provided in electronic form. Could he come from those
:02:49. > :02:53.documents will not unreasonably be withheld and the request will be
:02:54. > :02:57.complied with. I appreciate people cannot ask for documents out of the
:02:58. > :02:59.area of which they do not have an interest but could she say who will
:03:00. > :03:06.actually make the decision about whether it is a reasonable request?
:03:07. > :03:10.Could see also can from households along the Birmingham to Crewe of
:03:11. > :03:14.route, who will be directly affected, will be able to receive a
:03:15. > :03:19.free copy of documents relating to the area? The honourable member has
:03:20. > :03:25.suggested some rural areas may not have a good internet access and may
:03:26. > :03:28.not be proficient in IT, in some cases, but that should have those
:03:29. > :03:35.documents free of charge or can he can they will be gone so was that he
:03:36. > :03:38.mentions a telephone number that people can ring to HS2, can he can
:03:39. > :03:42.from this will not be at the premium rate and will be free of charge?
:03:43. > :03:46.Could the Leader of the House say when we are likely to have the first
:03:47. > :03:51.reading of the bill? Will receive before the house rises for the
:03:52. > :03:54.summer recess? I'm sure we could agree amendment generally through
:03:55. > :03:58.the Procedure Committee we do not have to keep coming back to end to
:03:59. > :04:06.Standing Orders to include a reference to electronic copies. I am
:04:07. > :04:08.sure we could agree that. In the event Her Majesty's opposition
:04:09. > :04:17.support these changes in the Standing Orders, which are in line
:04:18. > :04:22.to previous amendments to Standing Orders, it will be no surprise to
:04:23. > :04:25.the house I rise to my feet on this small motion before the house this
:04:26. > :04:29.evening. It may surprise colleagues sitting
:04:30. > :04:38.alongside me I rise to welcome this particular provision. As a veteran
:04:39. > :04:45.of the hybrid bill process in this place there is no doubt the hybrid
:04:46. > :04:50.bill process is arcane and has tremendous problems with its
:04:51. > :04:53.practices and procedures. Certainly, my constituents and many
:04:54. > :04:58.constituents of other honourable members have been at the mercy of
:04:59. > :05:06.the hybrid process, hybrid bill process. I am afraid I shudder when
:05:07. > :05:10.I hear the front bench say the environmental statement will be at
:05:11. > :05:17.least 12,000 pages, I have experienced something just as large
:05:18. > :05:22.for phase one of the HS2 process and these are indeed very own page
:05:23. > :05:30.documents. I have to ask the deputy Leader of the House if there is
:05:31. > :05:34.going to be sufficient navigable instruments, as it is being served
:05:35. > :05:37.up to people electronically, because I and so that many of my
:05:38. > :05:42.constituents that the documents presented by the HS2 Limited were
:05:43. > :05:48.very difficult to navigate, very hard to find. I would like some and
:05:49. > :05:52.should insist that has been improvements in the way in which
:05:53. > :05:59.people can move around these very large documents. The deputy leader
:06:00. > :06:03.has already given assurances nothing in this order tonight will prevent
:06:04. > :06:07.communities access and paper copies and we must not forget that is a
:06:08. > :06:11.digital divide. Many of the people affected by this project are elderly
:06:12. > :06:16.and the Lord affected by this project are elderly and to easily
:06:17. > :06:24.access on computers large documents. It is very important those people
:06:25. > :06:28.have access, free of charge, to those sections of the document that
:06:29. > :06:35.relate to their properties or the area around is that particular part
:06:36. > :06:40.of the route. I give way. Does my right honourable friend also
:06:41. > :06:45.agree when this material comes electronically and then has to be
:06:46. > :06:48.turned into a person's home or office -- turn a person's home or
:06:49. > :06:53.office into the kind of material they make sense and can read, the
:06:54. > :06:57.complexity of the documents, design specifications and all the other
:06:58. > :07:02.things and monumental volume of paper really does become very
:07:03. > :07:09.daunting indeed. Lastly, does she agree, or our previous debate and
:07:10. > :07:10.consultation, that HS2 better get its act together and consultation as
:07:11. > :07:21.well and do it properly? I am grateful for that intervention.
:07:22. > :07:24.It is quite clear that HS2 needs to improve not only its consultation
:07:25. > :07:31.processes but as communication processes, which are absolutely
:07:32. > :07:37.still failing in many instances. I will. I'm very grateful to the
:07:38. > :07:41.honourable lady for allowing me to intervene. It is a small but very
:07:42. > :07:47.important point. The issue that she has just raised about older people
:07:48. > :07:55.not being familiar, often, with technology and electronic documents.
:07:56. > :08:05.We often see that older people suffer from vision impairment or I
:08:06. > :08:10.impairment. Often people need real copies. Will she seek reassurance
:08:11. > :08:15.that was a disadvantage of seeing documents will have some assistance
:08:16. > :08:21.with that? Can I just say, I think she makes a very good point. What I
:08:22. > :08:24.am keen on insuring is that in a process that is so inequitable,
:08:25. > :08:28.where the citizen receives very where the citizen receives very
:08:29. > :08:33.help, that we try to impress on the front bench and HS2 Ltd that there
:08:34. > :08:36.are people who need assistance to navigate these documents and
:08:37. > :08:39.understand them. And I feel passionately that this needs to be
:08:40. > :08:42.the case. If you have seen people who are losing their house having to
:08:43. > :08:52.appear before the select committee of this House, when a silk, QC,
:08:53. > :08:56.highly expensive barrister is that against them and they have no help,
:08:57. > :09:04.she will understand the reason why I am poor the front bench to make sure
:09:05. > :09:08.there are suitable things in place to help them. We ask that the
:09:09. > :09:12.telephone line would be a free telephone line but I go for the than
:09:13. > :09:17.that. I would like to make sure the front bench and shows that telephone
:09:18. > :09:20.line is actually manned by competent people who actually know what
:09:21. > :09:26.they're talking about and can get people through the process easily.
:09:27. > :09:31.Because that is extremely important in my view. Very disappointed,
:09:32. > :09:36.however, that at the moment there is nothing here to allow petitioners in
:09:37. > :09:39.the process when this will comes forward, in the petition process, to
:09:40. > :09:43.petition electronically, unless the front tells me differently. I have
:09:44. > :09:49.had to bring in petitions from constituents myself into this House.
:09:50. > :09:55.And for the pleasure of defending your properties, they were charged
:09:56. > :09:59.?20. I was collecting money and documents and bringing them in to
:10:00. > :10:07.facilitate that process. Now, my constituency is not fired outside
:10:08. > :10:11.London. -- not far. The people affected by this phase of HS2 Ltd
:10:12. > :10:14.further up the country and I would have fought the front bench would
:10:15. > :10:19.have looked at how constituents of other MPs who are going to be
:10:20. > :10:26.affected by these two are able to put in petitions this time. -- phase
:10:27. > :10:29.two. I implore the front bench to look at that because it is a matter
:10:30. > :10:34.of priority. I think we should wipe out the ?20 fee which is either fish
:10:35. > :10:38.nor fowl. It is an insult to people who want to defend their properties
:10:39. > :10:46.and have their voice heard. I deal that will be cancelled. -- do hope
:10:47. > :10:55.that. I have another question to ask. Because in this motion, the
:10:56. > :10:59.Deputy Leader will that any requirement relating to private
:11:00. > :11:01.business to make a document available for the sale of prescribed
:11:02. > :11:08.offices... If it is made available Foreign Office in London. I would
:11:09. > :11:15.like his assurances that this will not be only place it will be on
:11:16. > :11:20.sale. Because as phase two, when the bills introduced, goes
:11:21. > :11:25.Birmingham Northfield, I wonder if Birmingham Northfield, I wonder if
:11:26. > :11:28.it would be sensible to have this in Manchester, for example, which I
:11:29. > :11:32.think that the more assistance for the people affected by this project.
:11:33. > :11:35.I would very much like to know when the bill will be introduced but
:11:36. > :11:39.they'll so would very much like to know when the second reading is
:11:40. > :11:45.anticipated. Because I think, when we have another hybrid bill of this
:11:46. > :11:50.size and complexity at affecting so many people, that it is important
:11:51. > :11:55.that as much warning as possible is given by the Government and HS2 Ltd.
:11:56. > :11:59.And all the information is readily available well in advance and with
:12:00. > :12:04.explanations of the people can get their heads around it. There is no
:12:05. > :12:09.doubt that there will be support for the phase to Bill across all sides
:12:10. > :12:13.of the House. And once again you will find a very small number of MPs
:12:14. > :12:18.perhaps opposed to it by raising questions about it. So the
:12:19. > :12:22.Government need not fear that it will not get its business. But if it
:12:23. > :12:27.is going to embark on a project of this size and complexity, please
:12:28. > :12:33.learn from the lessons and mistakes that were made on phase one and did
:12:34. > :12:36.not play people on phase two through the same agonies that we had in
:12:37. > :12:46.phase one. If we do not learn and we do not then take action, we are
:12:47. > :12:52.failing people in this country. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. And
:12:53. > :12:56.just go to set couple of words. Firstly, the changes are, as the
:12:57. > :13:02.shadow Leader of the House said, sensible. It makes sense to move to
:13:03. > :13:07.electronic means where possible. I want to point to some members that
:13:08. > :13:12.some members have been concerned about the electronic issue and
:13:13. > :13:17.access to hard copy. There are issues with people on benefits being
:13:18. > :13:22.forced to move online. We have to remember there is a disparity here
:13:23. > :13:26.in attitudes. In terms of what the honourable member said, I would
:13:27. > :13:32.agree in terms of any consultations with people. People must be able to
:13:33. > :13:38.interact with expats are people who understand the documents and can
:13:39. > :13:44.explain them in an impartial way. Some people have difficultly reading
:13:45. > :13:46.maps online or in hard copy. It is very important people can access
:13:47. > :13:50.that information and understand that. So certainly out of the
:13:51. > :13:54.Government to make sure any consultations do allow people to
:13:55. > :13:59.have full access to understand that information. I would also like to
:14:00. > :14:01.ask the Leader of the House, the Deputy Leader of the House, has
:14:02. > :14:09.there been any savings identified through this measure? It would seem
:14:10. > :14:12.sensible that they would be savings, but that equally seems to be
:14:13. > :14:15.balanced up with a rather generous offer of giving out IT equipment. I
:14:16. > :14:24.wonder if there has been an assessment made of how much IT
:14:25. > :14:25.equipment will be discussed as well. I have already made a couple of
:14:26. > :14:27.interventions and I am extremely interventions and I am
:14:28. > :14:29.grateful to my very distinguished grateful to my very distinguished
:14:30. > :14:35.and right honourable friend for all the work she has done on phase one,
:14:36. > :14:41.which has set a pattern for what is to be done on the second phase,
:14:42. > :14:46.which so directly and detrimentally affects my own constituency. May I
:14:47. > :14:50.make one suggestion? Then I will allow the Minister to reply. It is
:14:51. > :15:01.simply this. Birmingham has been mentioned. As a matter of fact, if
:15:02. > :15:03.you take the line between Birmingham and Crewe, the more central place
:15:04. > :15:10.happens to be Staffordshire. Could she give consideration to using the
:15:11. > :15:13.County Council facilities, which are extremely good, where copying could
:15:14. > :15:16.be done and that sort of thing at a central point, where people from my
:15:17. > :15:21.constituency at both ends of the line would be able to visit with a
:15:22. > :15:29.minimum amount of inconvenience? That is all I need to say for the
:15:30. > :15:33.time being. Madam Deputy Speaker, with the leave of the House, if I
:15:34. > :15:39.may answer some of these points with a limited amount of time available.
:15:40. > :15:41.As far as my right honourable friend...
:15:42. > :15:49.As far as my right honourable The right honourable lady opposite
:15:50. > :15:58.asked what is meant by "Reasonable". A reasonable request means weighing
:15:59. > :16:01.up HS2, the cost of meeting the request, against whether there is a
:16:02. > :16:07.genuine need for the information in the format requested will stop so,
:16:08. > :16:14.reasonable requests, for hard copies, by individuals, will be met.
:16:15. > :16:18.These can be requested from local authorities who will be provided
:16:19. > :16:21.hard copy for inspection or directly from HS2. I am asked by a couple of
:16:22. > :16:28.honourable members about when the bill will be laid. I can simply say
:16:29. > :16:30.soon at this point. All reasonable requests for hard copies of maps,
:16:31. > :16:40.section drawings, by individuals will be met. I can also say that and
:16:41. > :16:47.as to the point raised by my honourable friend that is fired as
:16:48. > :16:58.audio is concerned, we are proactively considering ordeal in
:16:59. > :17:03.Braille and easy read versions. That is for accessibility for all
:17:04. > :17:09.persons. I have noted complaints made about the telephone line and I
:17:10. > :17:12.will look into that matter. I understand it is a London number,
:17:13. > :17:22.jazz of the honourable lady's question about the rate, but I will
:17:23. > :17:26.look into it. The issue is raised about London and whether documents
:17:27. > :17:30.can be stored elsewhere, a tiny number of people requesting this.
:17:31. > :17:39.But we will certainly look into those reasonable requests. Will he
:17:40. > :17:46.give way on that important point? Very briefly. Is it plans to
:17:47. > :17:51.translate this into other languages? I am not aware of any such plans at
:17:52. > :17:59.the moment. We are considering the issue of Braille. I'm so grateful.
:18:00. > :18:03.Can he tell you what the appeal processes if HS2 does not been a
:18:04. > :18:18.request to be reasonable? -- does not deem. It is clear that all
:18:19. > :18:24.reasonable requests will be met. Reasonable requests will be met and
:18:25. > :18:30.certainly further consideration can be given to that in due course. But
:18:31. > :18:36.this is a sensible modernisation of the standing orders, which are
:18:37. > :18:40.frankly 19th-century standing orders which have not undergone radical
:18:41. > :18:47.reform since 1948. I will give way very briefly. Lastly, I know that he
:18:48. > :18:50.had questions put to him, but the question of Stafford and Stafford
:18:51. > :18:59.County Council buildings being the place where people can go would be a
:19:00. > :19:02.very, very convenient point. My right honourable friend, the Leader
:19:03. > :19:03.of the House, is particularly alive to all the concerns raised,
:19:04. > :19:08.including the localities involved including the localities involved
:19:09. > :19:16.and local committees involved. The issue that my right honourable
:19:17. > :19:21.friend raises is that we'll be considered, as far as Stafford is
:19:22. > :19:27.concerned. In the circumstances, I beg to move. The question is motion
:19:28. > :19:34.number three as on the order paper. As many as are of that opinion say
:19:35. > :19:42.aye. On the contrary, no. The ayes have it, the ayes have it.
:19:43. > :19:46.I beg to move that this housed in a ledger. The question is that this
:19:47. > :19:58.House do now adjourn. Thank you Madam Deputy Speaker. I'm
:19:59. > :20:05.delighted to see my honourable friend, the Minister, in this place.
:20:06. > :20:09.I am hopeful that she is in a cooperative mood. As she will be
:20:10. > :20:14.aware, I am raising a very small but, in my opinion and others',
:20:15. > :20:19.important point seeking a small change in the Mental Health Act
:20:20. > :20:23.1983, section 130 six. She will be aware that I have raised this twice
:20:24. > :20:34.previously. First in a Ten Minute Rule Bill in 2014. And I do not
:20:35. > :20:39.proceed with this. There was a whole ongoing Government review. The
:20:40. > :20:44.second occasion was almost exactly one year ago when I raised it in our
:20:45. > :20:47.judgment debate. I was prompted to see the change initially having seen
:20:48. > :20:54.it first hand in the streets of London when I was with a couple of
:20:55. > :21:00.officers, in a response car. The officers, in a response car. The
:21:01. > :21:06.first call was a dashed to in the 14th floor of the Council
:21:07. > :21:10.residential tower block. A mother nervously let officers and she saw
:21:11. > :21:14.her daughter, 22, standing on a window ledge threatening to jump. We
:21:15. > :21:18.quickly established that the doctor had the history of genuine suicide
:21:19. > :21:22.attempts and as the young lady was clearly put out by the uniformed
:21:23. > :21:28.police officers, fortunately, we were joined very prompted by three
:21:29. > :21:31.father officers, to plain clothes. -- two of them were in plain
:21:32. > :21:35.clothes. One was female. She was very strict and persuasive and
:21:36. > :21:37.managed to persuade the young woman to come down off the windowsill, sit
:21:38. > :21:45.on the bed and proper matters through. This made it quite clear,
:21:46. > :21:49.she made it quite clear that she needed psychiatric help. Much effort
:21:50. > :21:57.was put into persuade her is possible to go to a place of safety
:21:58. > :22:00.for psychiatric assistance. This was vehemently refused and when pressed,
:22:01. > :22:03.she struggled to head for the window and jump, yet again. The other four
:22:04. > :22:10.police officers stood on tiptoe those waiting to catch.
:22:11. > :22:16.The question is that this housed in a ledger. -- is that this House
:22:17. > :22:22.should now adjourn. Subtitles will resume
:22:23. > :22:33.on Tuesday In Parliament at 2300.