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0:00:00 > 0:00:00needs to be done and can I can enter constructive tone which is so much

0:00:00 > 0:00:04more usable?Demand exceeds supply, question to the Attorney General,

0:00:04 > 0:00:10Sir Henry Bellingham. Number one. The Attorney General. In the bribery

0:00:10 > 0:00:14act of 2010 the UK introduced world leading legislation on bribery

0:00:14 > 0:00:18making it a criminal offence for a company to fail to prevent a bribe

0:00:18 > 0:00:22being paid. We are starting to see the effectiveness of this offensive

0:00:22 > 0:00:25holding large companies to account through the first conviction of a

0:00:25 > 0:00:30corporate entity and three deferred prosecution agreement.Sir Henry

0:00:30 > 0:00:36Allingham.Would he agree corruption is embedded in the building culture

0:00:36 > 0:00:40of many countries and it's always the poor to supper, this is being

0:00:40 > 0:00:43encouraged by a number of major trading countries who have not

0:00:43 > 0:00:48followed our lead. What is he doing in the OECD to make sure other

0:00:48 > 0:00:52countries, in line with the UK?I agree with my honourable friend,

0:00:52 > 0:00:57it's the poor is to suffer most when corruption occurs, around the world.

0:00:57 > 0:01:01It is important the UK plays a leadership role and we do the not

0:01:01 > 0:01:04least by setting an example and we've done that by the bribery act

0:01:04 > 0:01:10and what has flowed from that but I would pay tribute to him in his role

0:01:10 > 0:01:13as a very distinguished Foreign Office Minister. He was also able to

0:01:13 > 0:01:20do some of this work and the work must continue.Jim Shannon. Mr

0:01:20 > 0:01:25Speaker, can the Attorney General further believe his department could

0:01:25 > 0:01:31provide more clarification on foreign public officials,

0:01:31 > 0:01:33hospitality payments, self reporting, sentencing and fines,

0:01:33 > 0:01:38adequate besiegers and relevant commercial organisations and how

0:01:38 > 0:01:44does the Attorney General believe this can be done?The honourable

0:01:44 > 0:01:47gentleman is right clarity is important and of course the bribery

0:01:47 > 0:01:50act and prosecutions that flow from it are not all that matters here.

0:01:50 > 0:01:55What we need to do is change corporate culture and that I think

0:01:55 > 0:01:58is how then, it's important that corporations understand their

0:01:58 > 0:02:01responsibilities and he's right, if they are to do that they need to be

0:02:01 > 0:02:05clear about what they can and cannot do so we will always seek to give

0:02:05 > 0:02:13greater clarity but it depends on the circumstances.

0:02:13 > 0:02:18Do we have enough specialist expertise to enforce the bribery act

0:02:18 > 0:02:21properly?I believe we do and of course for some of the most

0:02:21 > 0:02:26substantial cases under the bribery act, it is the Serious Fraud Office

0:02:26 > 0:02:29but prosecutes and investigates and there's a good deal of expertise

0:02:29 > 0:02:34there and he will recognise that in relation to not just convictions but

0:02:34 > 0:02:38referred prosecution as well, we are presenting good cases and winning

0:02:38 > 0:02:56prosecutions.SGM is a crime, it is abuse -- FGM is a crime, it is abuse

0:02:56 > 0:03:01against children and women. There is now a lead FGM prosecutor in each

0:03:01 > 0:03:05area and training is being given to prosecutors across the country.I

0:03:05 > 0:03:09very much welcomed the announcement this week of extra funding to tackle

0:03:09 > 0:03:13FGM in Africa and beyond. Does my honourable friend share my concern

0:03:13 > 0:03:16that in this country with over 5000 cases being reported every year, we

0:03:16 > 0:03:26are still to bring a successful prosecution.My honourable friend is

0:03:26 > 0:03:28quite right to raise the obstacles which have faced prosecutors over

0:03:28 > 0:03:34the years. There have been barriers which have caused real issues as to

0:03:34 > 0:03:37the investigation of these cases. I am glad to say there is an ongoing

0:03:37 > 0:03:41case currently before the courts which I won't comment about but it's

0:03:41 > 0:03:51also important to remind that protection is vital and our FGM

0:03:51 > 0:03:54orders are being used to good effect.Bristol is recognised as

0:03:54 > 0:04:00being at the forefront of some of the community involvement in trying

0:04:00 > 0:04:04to prevent FGM but I think this is a sticking point, the fact we still

0:04:04 > 0:04:07have not yet had a single conviction. What more can he do to

0:04:07 > 0:04:11liaise with the police, because a prosecutor and services locally are

0:04:11 > 0:04:15telling me it's the fact the police are not bringing cases to them that

0:04:15 > 0:04:19prevents them from taking things further?The honourable lady is

0:04:19 > 0:04:24right to press me on these issues. I'm glad to say that with the

0:04:24 > 0:04:27appointment of lead FGM prosecutors in each CPS area and agreed

0:04:27 > 0:04:34protocols were local police authorities, they should be a

0:04:34 > 0:04:38greater understanding for police officers in particular as to the

0:04:38 > 0:04:43tell-tale signs FGM abuse and what to do about them, to get early

0:04:43 > 0:04:48investigative advice from the CPS is vital in these cases.The Solicitor

0:04:48 > 0:04:51General is right to identify specific issues that need to be

0:04:51 > 0:04:56tackled on FGM. If we are to increase prosecution rates right

0:04:56 > 0:05:01across the range of offences, surely we need a properly resourced and

0:05:01 > 0:05:05robust disclosure system. The former Conservative politician and

0:05:05 > 0:05:10barrister Jerry Hayes said this, the CPS are under terrible pressure, as

0:05:10 > 0:05:14are the police. Both work hard but are badly under resourced.He is

0:05:14 > 0:05:20right, isn't he? Well, the honourable gentleman will know that

0:05:20 > 0:05:25for over 20 years I was directly involved in the prosecution and

0:05:25 > 0:05:28defending of serious criminal cases and I am well familiar with the

0:05:28 > 0:05:32challenge of disclosure that has been of long standing. I am glad to

0:05:32 > 0:05:37say that prior to recent revelations, both the Attorney

0:05:37 > 0:05:41General and I have instituted a thorough review not just about

0:05:41 > 0:05:44guidelines but of the entire culture. Police, prosecutors,

0:05:44 > 0:05:48everybody involved at all stages must realise that disclosure must be

0:05:48 > 0:05:55achieved early in an effective way, not just to protect defendants but

0:05:55 > 0:06:01also victims.I appreciate that there is a review and that there are

0:06:01 > 0:06:06long-standing issues, but there is no doubt either that social media,

0:06:06 > 0:06:11things like WhatsApp, examination of mobile telephones prevent new

0:06:11 > 0:06:15challenges -- present new challenges which are time and resource

0:06:15 > 0:06:18intensive and surely it's time we had proper resources on those things

0:06:18 > 0:06:26and then we wouldn't have the system of disclosure we have.Can I remind

0:06:26 > 0:06:29the honourable gentleman that one of the main issues in this area has not

0:06:29 > 0:06:33been that these items have not been obtained, it's the timeliness with

0:06:33 > 0:06:39which they are eventually exposed. That is the issue and I think

0:06:39 > 0:06:44bearing down on that fact that will encourage and increase police

0:06:44 > 0:06:48awareness and the priority that the police need to place upon making

0:06:48 > 0:06:51sure that all of this material is gathered at the earliest

0:06:51 > 0:06:57opportunity.Mr Speaker, with permission, I will answer this

0:06:57 > 0:07:01question along with question seven. The European arrest warrant offers a

0:07:01 > 0:07:08more effective means than none European alternatives at ensuring

0:07:08 > 0:07:14those who have fled the UK are returned to face justice. The Green

0:07:14 > 0:07:18continued extradition arrangements will therefore be an important part

0:07:18 > 0:07:20-- the Green continued extradition arrangements will therefore be an

0:07:20 > 0:07:27important part of negotiations and of mutual interest.Thank you for

0:07:27 > 0:07:34that response. Do you agree with the Director of Public Prosecutions that

0:07:34 > 0:07:39the European arrest warrant is absolutely vital to ensuring quick

0:07:39 > 0:07:42effective cross-border crime and justice measures and will the

0:07:42 > 0:07:48Government commit to remain in the European arrest warrant?Well, I

0:07:48 > 0:07:52certainly agree that it is the most efficient means we have available to

0:07:52 > 0:07:56both bring people back to the UK and then foreign criminals and you'd

0:07:56 > 0:08:05base does this. -- to face justice. Precisely how we do that in future

0:08:05 > 0:08:08will depend negotiations which he knows are ongoing.Why those

0:08:08 > 0:08:17arrangements have to do is go along with the jurisdiction of the ECJ. I

0:08:17 > 0:08:22suppose the question is what is more important, the heavy line on the ECJ

0:08:22 > 0:08:25or being able to effectively tackle crime? Does he agree with the report

0:08:25 > 0:08:29that states that the safety of the people of the UK should be the

0:08:29 > 0:08:35governor Boult overriding consideration?I agree with the last

0:08:35 > 0:08:50part of his question, but I don't think... That's what we think to do

0:08:50 > 0:08:54and we believe that is in the mutual interest not just of the UK but of

0:08:54 > 0:08:59the EU as well and that's why we are confident we can negotiate.Does my

0:08:59 > 0:09:02right honourable friend agree with me that the European arrest warrant

0:09:02 > 0:09:07is just as important to our European friends and partners as it is to us.

0:09:07 > 0:09:10I do agree with my honourable friend and he might like to know that as

0:09:10 > 0:09:17far as statistics go, since 2010, under the European arrest warrant,

0:09:17 > 0:09:231079 people have been surrendered back to the United Kingdom, but 8826

0:09:23 > 0:09:27surrendered from the UK to the rest of the European Union, so this is an

0:09:27 > 0:09:33advantageous arrangement for both sides.Since 20 10,000 of criminals

0:09:33 > 0:09:38have been removed from the United Kingdom to face trial abroad thanks

0:09:38 > 0:09:42to the European arrest warrant so does the Minister agree that such

0:09:42 > 0:09:45agreements are an integral part of our justice system here in the

0:09:45 > 0:09:50United Kingdom?I thank my noble friend and it is important that we

0:09:50 > 0:09:53negotiate a settlement that will enable us to carry on sending people

0:09:53 > 0:09:57back but also just as importantly to bring people back from other

0:09:57 > 0:10:00European nations so they can face justice here. As I say, I am

0:10:00 > 0:10:11optimistic we can do that.

0:10:13 > 0:10:18We are having problems enforcing EA ee request even before we leave the

0:10:18 > 0:10:24European Union. What responses there for that?The case the honourable

0:10:24 > 0:10:29gentleman refers to is it concluded yet so I will say nothing about

0:10:29 > 0:10:34specifically but the point he makes is that we need to to ensure there

0:10:34 > 0:10:39is continuity of these arrangements when we depart the European Union.

0:10:39 > 0:10:43That is exactly what we seek to negotiate. This is something that

0:10:43 > 0:10:47will benefit both us and the rest of Europe, this is two-way traffic and

0:10:47 > 0:10:51it's important to everyone that we negotiate continuing arrangements.

0:10:51 > 0:10:55With your permission I will answer this question alongside question

0:10:55 > 0:10:58eight. These types of crime are often committed over county lines

0:10:58 > 0:11:03and evolve the exploitation of people by violent members of drug

0:11:03 > 0:11:06networks and gangs in order to move drugs and sell them across the

0:11:06 > 0:11:10country. The CPS has recently published guidance that sets out

0:11:10 > 0:11:15there advice on this type of crime. Many more people, particularly

0:11:15 > 0:11:20although not exclusive vulnerable young women, are trafficked for

0:11:20 > 0:11:23prosecution. What steps are being taken within the justice process to

0:11:23 > 0:11:29give them support and help them except this abusive trade?I am

0:11:29 > 0:11:33grateful to my honourable friend. In the new guidance, the CPS has

0:11:33 > 0:11:37emphasised how important it is to safeguard vulnerable people and we

0:11:37 > 0:11:41have places like the UK human trafficking Centre which is a

0:11:41 > 0:11:44central point of contact for all agencies that work with victims of

0:11:44 > 0:11:49sex trafficking, or example where rape victim is cooperating with an

0:11:49 > 0:11:55investigation, making sure that if you are -- they are a foreign

0:11:55 > 0:11:59national in the UK, that their status is preserved for the full

0:11:59 > 0:12:04investigation.My honourable friend is right about going across county

0:12:04 > 0:12:07lines. Wales I think that many vulnerable people, I still think

0:12:07 > 0:12:11they may be prosecuted too much and their vulnerability is not taken

0:12:11 > 0:12:16into consideration enough when the cases are being looked at.My

0:12:16 > 0:12:25honourable friend will be aware that in the modern state act, there are

0:12:25 > 0:12:29provisions for those compelled into criminality and choices have to be

0:12:29 > 0:12:37made whether to treat them as defendants or whether whereas

0:12:37 > 0:12:39appropriate to encourage them to cooperate because many of these

0:12:39 > 0:12:46people are frankly victims.The LCA just showed their invisible people

0:12:46 > 0:12:49exhibition in Belfast and it shows the harrowing portrayal of what

0:12:49 > 0:12:53people go through exploited the prostitution, drugs or forced

0:12:53 > 0:13:00Labour.Are we winning the battle? The honourable gentleman graphically

0:13:00 > 0:13:03illustrates the fact that this particular fact of life is in every

0:13:03 > 0:13:08town and city across our country. The idea that slavery ended many

0:13:08 > 0:13:14centuries ago is a fallacy and once we face up to that, and I think the

0:13:14 > 0:13:17police and the prosecution are facing up to it, then we are halfway

0:13:17 > 0:13:28to dealing with this scourge. But more needs to be done.

0:13:28 > 0:13:31Although many older people do not consider themselves to be

0:13:31 > 0:13:35vulnerable, they can often be perceived as an easy target for

0:13:35 > 0:13:42criminals and to address this the CPS has committed to updating its

0:13:42 > 0:13:46statement on crimes is an older people within the next year.We all

0:13:46 > 0:13:53have a elderly relatives or friends who are the victims of telephone

0:13:53 > 0:13:57scams, a particularly horrible crime where people pretend to be banks and

0:13:57 > 0:14:01causes incredible distress. Can we have real action on this and real

0:14:01 > 0:14:06resources committed?My honourable friend is absolutely right to raise

0:14:06 > 0:14:10this issue and I would commend financial institutions like

0:14:10 > 0:14:18nationwide that are already creating specialist much more secure phone

0:14:18 > 0:14:22lines for older people, particularly carers for people who are unwell, to

0:14:22 > 0:14:25conduct their financial transactions. It's an excellent

0:14:25 > 0:14:29example of how the financial services sector can actually dried

0:14:29 > 0:14:37out and design out this type of fraud.Mr Speaker, later this month,

0:14:37 > 0:14:39the Crown Prosecution Service will host an international summit will

0:14:39 > 0:14:43prosecutors from 21 countries around the world. It's unambitious summit

0:14:43 > 0:14:47which aims to identify ways to better support witnesses in

0:14:47 > 0:14:53establishing a strong active international network to tackle more

0:14:53 > 0:14:58actively the crime of modern slavery.Does he agree with me that

0:14:58 > 0:15:00modern slavery and human trafficking are indeed international problems

0:15:00 > 0:15:05that require the collaboration of the Crown Prosecution Service to

0:15:05 > 0:15:09similar judicially systems from many countries in order to address them.

0:15:09 > 0:15:12I thank my honourable friend and it's important that we work with

0:15:12 > 0:15:16partners around the world. The CPS have 30 prosecutors located in other

0:15:16 > 0:15:20countries and of course we agreed last year at the United Nations to

0:15:20 > 0:15:26double hour spent overseas in combating modern slavery.Would he

0:15:26 > 0:15:29welcomed the work of the UK branch of the Commonwealth Parliamentary

0:15:29 > 0:15:34Association and support to the Home Office in dealing with this issue in

0:15:34 > 0:15:41particular and witty give support to the eight particular countries being

0:15:41 > 0:15:47dealt with from his office?I do welcome mat and there is a lot we

0:15:47 > 0:15:50could do in this institution to back up the fight against modern slavery

0:15:50 > 0:15:54and of course to focus on where the majority of those who are trafficked

0:15:54 > 0:15:58tend to come from. Of course it isn't just those eight countries as

0:15:58 > 0:16:02he will recognise. Those identified as victims of modern slavery are

0:16:02 > 0:16:06raving in this country came last year from some 108 different

0:16:06 > 0:16:12countries but he is right, there are particular countries to focus on.

0:16:12 > 0:16:17How much money has the UK Government committed to tackling slavery around

0:16:17 > 0:16:22the world?Last year at the UN General Assembly the UK Government

0:16:22 > 0:16:27agreed it would spend £150 million overseas in combating modern

0:16:27 > 0:16:31slavery, that is in addition to substantial sums already committed

0:16:31 > 0:16:37within our domestic budget to do with the problem.I have to notify

0:16:37 > 0:16:45the house in accordance with the Royal assent act. Telecommunications

0:16:45 > 0:16:50infrastructure relief from nondomestic