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:00:23. > :00:29.Hello and welcome to BBC Parliament live coverage and today it hs from

:00:30. > :00:33.House of Lords. Piers are gdaring up for a debate on the outcome of the

:00:34. > :00:37.referendum on membership of the European Union. Both the Prhme

:00:38. > :00:42.Minister and the Ukip leader, Nigel Farage can have announced their

:00:43. > :00:46.resignations. Whilst Jeremy Corbyn lost a vote of confidence alongst

:00:47. > :00:50.his MPs last week. You can watch live coverage of the House of

:00:51. > :00:56.Commons which. With questions to the Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, now

:00:57. > :01:00.on our website. All of todax's business will follow the dahly

:01:01. > :01:05.politics on our overnight schedule from 1am. Join me for a round-up of

:01:06. > :01:09.the day in both Houses of P`rliament at 11 o'clock this evening. We will

:01:10. > :01:13.shortly go to the upper Chalber where the Leader of the House of

:01:14. > :02:19.Lords will open the debate on the EU referendum.

:02:20. > :02:27.Al debate today has the potdntial to be one of the most signific`nt in

:02:28. > :02:31.the recent history of your lordship's house. I see tod`y as a

:02:32. > :02:36.real opportunity for us as ` house to reflect on the decision that has

:02:37. > :02:42.been made and to offer some clear thinking about the issues wd now

:02:43. > :02:48.face as a country. It is an opportunity for the House of Lords

:02:49. > :02:53.to show why it exists. In rdpeating several statements in the l`st week,

:02:54. > :02:56.I have set out the views of Her Majesty's Government and I want

:02:57. > :03:00.today to be much more than `n occasion for me to set thosd out

:03:01. > :03:06.again. Over the next two ye`rs - two days, we are here primarily to

:03:07. > :03:08.listen and stop in opening, I will try to start the process of

:03:09. > :03:14.reflection by offering my perspective both on the votd itself

:03:15. > :03:20.and on the responsibilities incumbent on this house as H see

:03:21. > :03:24.them in the weeks and months ahead. To state the obvious first, the

:03:25. > :03:30.referendum itself was a momdntous democratic exercise. Over the weeks

:03:31. > :03:35.of the campaign, we saw passionate cases put forward by both shdes and

:03:36. > :03:40.more importantly we saw votdrs engage with and enthusiasm we had

:03:41. > :03:48.not seen for many years. More than 33 million people from across the UK

:03:49. > :03:52.and Gibraltar exercised thehr democratic right. I appreci`te that

:03:53. > :03:59.when the votes were counted, it was not the result many others lay have

:04:00. > :04:07.wanted. 48% of us voted to remain. The result was clear. By a largin of

:04:08. > :04:12.more than 1 million, 52% of the people who voted, voted for the UK

:04:13. > :04:18.to leave the European Union. An instruction that this Government and

:04:19. > :04:36.all of us must respect and seek to act on. It would be possibld...

:04:37. > :04:43.It would be possible for us to go over the campaigns themselvds in

:04:44. > :04:48.detail or to look for ways to re-examine the result or to pose

:04:49. > :04:52.again questions of our EU membership. In my view, that would

:04:53. > :04:57.be the wrong thing for us to do Not only would it distance us ftrther

:04:58. > :05:03.from many of the people we `re here to serve, worse, it would bd a

:05:04. > :05:07.missed opportunity to serve them better. Instead, we should take this

:05:08. > :05:17.opportunity to play our part in shaping the way ahead. As I see it,

:05:18. > :05:20.perform our duty to reassurd people about our country's future by

:05:21. > :05:26.offering some clear thinking about that way ahead. Clearly there is

:05:27. > :05:30.further work for us to do in determining our future relationship

:05:31. > :05:35.with the European Union. As the Prime Minister said, we are leaving

:05:36. > :05:40.the EU but not turning our backs on Europe. The next steps will not be

:05:41. > :05:45.easy. There will be complex negotiations ahead. We should

:05:46. > :05:49.approach them with a clear guiding principle, to ensure the best

:05:50. > :05:59.possible outcome for the Brhtish people. As the Prime Ministdr has

:06:00. > :06:04.made clear, the nature of ndgations -- negotiations would be for his

:06:05. > :06:09.success and their Government. That is why when to trigger article 0

:06:10. > :06:13.will be for them to decide. In the meantime, there is a lot of ground

:06:14. > :06:20.to cover in examining the options available. When decisions are taken,

:06:21. > :06:26.we put our best foot forward and maintain Britain's reputation as an

:06:27. > :06:30.open, outward looking nation maintaining our strong partnerships

:06:31. > :06:37.in Europe, continuing to pl`y our role in the world stage, holding

:06:38. > :06:41.fast to our values of toler`nce and respect in showing that Britain

:06:42. > :06:46.remains open for business. That is something we in Government will do

:06:47. > :06:49.with the impact of all the devolved administrations. It is something I

:06:50. > :06:55.hope this house will play an important part in as well. @mongst

:06:56. > :07:00.the membership of this Housd of Lords, we have an unrivalled

:07:01. > :07:05.expertise in EU and foreign affairs and a range of EU committees whose

:07:06. > :07:10.dispassionate scrutiny is admired here in Brussels and around the

:07:11. > :07:15.European Union. That means we are well placed to come forward with

:07:16. > :07:21.ideas to make a future deal a success for all parts of thd United

:07:22. > :07:24.Kingdom. I know noble Lords will have questions about the nature of

:07:25. > :07:31.further Parliamentary involvement beyond that and the precise form it

:07:32. > :07:37.will or should take, those of the questions and the debate among legal

:07:38. > :07:40.minds has already begun. I know our Select Committee's may choose to

:07:41. > :07:45.examine it. Those are questhons that will rightly be for the next Prime

:07:46. > :07:49.Minister to address will stop I am clear as leader of this house that

:07:50. > :07:55.Parliament should have an appropriate role but in deb`ting

:07:56. > :08:01.what that role should be, wd should, in my view, be careful to show that

:08:02. > :08:05.our focus remains on delivering the referendum result and on applying

:08:06. > :08:19.all our knowledge and experhence to making our future a successful one

:08:20. > :08:23.for the United Kingdom. That is an important point and brings le onto

:08:24. > :08:26.the broader responsibility. We have to bear in mind this we proceed

:08:27. > :08:29.particularly as an elected house. In the period since the vote, there has

:08:30. > :08:33.been a lot of analysis and reflection about the reasons people

:08:34. > :08:37.voted how they did. The headline from those who voted to leave was

:08:38. > :08:44.clear. They wanted to leave the European Union. Their reasons will

:08:45. > :08:49.have varied. Some people, those reasons would have developed over

:08:50. > :08:52.many years. Whatever those reasons, we must take that message away and

:08:53. > :08:59.deliver on the instruction we have been given and in doing so, we must

:09:00. > :09:06.also consider that the vote reflected something else as well.

:09:07. > :09:12.Frustration with the status quo A sense that voters felt dist`nt from

:09:13. > :09:18.those who exercised power and misunderstood by the people who make

:09:19. > :09:23.the decisions that affect them. Although we rightly must focus on

:09:24. > :09:29.the question of our in Europe, as we do so, we must not lose sight of

:09:30. > :09:33.that desire for people to bd better understood. If we are able to

:09:34. > :09:38.address the challenges we f`ce with that in mind, we will, I believe,

:09:39. > :09:44.build public confidence in parliament and this house whthin it.

:09:45. > :09:48.That means demonstrating our focus is on delivering success for all the

:09:49. > :09:55.people of the UK, whichever way they voted. And on finding soluthons that

:09:56. > :10:01.fit with people's understanding of the choice the country made. For if

:10:02. > :10:05.we do not we won't miss the opportunity before us and the gaps

:10:06. > :10:10.this vote highlighted will only become more entrenched. Between old

:10:11. > :10:15.and young, graduates and non-graduates and those livhng in

:10:16. > :10:20.our major cities and elsewhdre. Or to put it another way, the gap

:10:21. > :10:26.between those who have privhleged power and influence and those who

:10:27. > :10:32.feel they do not. Noble Lords may ask how can we do all this? That, my

:10:33. > :10:39.Lords, is where we can demonstrate the value of our experience and our

:10:40. > :10:44.expertise. I was never of the view that the people are fed up with

:10:45. > :10:50.experts but I do believe sole of those who fill that gap I jtst - I

:10:51. > :10:55.just described may be fed up with experts not understanding them. In

:10:56. > :11:02.times of uncertainty such as these, people rightly look to thosd in

:11:03. > :11:06.positions of leadership to tse our knowledge and our understanding of

:11:07. > :11:11.the challenges people face to deliver, develop and answer what

:11:12. > :11:16.works for them. That, my lords, maybe the point on which to

:11:17. > :11:25.conclude. It reflects the essential challenge we now face.

:11:26. > :11:34.The result was for the UK to leave the EU. I campaigned for us to

:11:35. > :11:37.Remain, as did many others. But I stand by the result of that

:11:38. > :11:43.referendum, and I want to work hard now Templeman what has been decided.

:11:44. > :11:48.As we proceed, we must not forget the views of the 16 million other

:11:49. > :11:52.people who voted to stay. And the disappointed that many feel about

:11:53. > :11:57.the outcome of the referendtm, there may be a temptation disciplhne leave

:11:58. > :12:02.to others the consequences of the Brexit vote. After all, the result

:12:03. > :12:05.told as clearly what people voting against, it did not give us a

:12:06. > :12:11.specific view as to what people were voting for. Yet the public `s a

:12:12. > :12:16.whole, no matter how they voted deserve more. With the referendum

:12:17. > :12:21.result they have asked us to come together, to come up with a solution

:12:22. > :12:25.which works for everyone. One that achieves the best outcome for

:12:26. > :12:32.Britain on every possible front It is our duty as public servants to do

:12:33. > :12:38.just that. There will be ch`llenges ahead, that I am sure. But ht is for

:12:39. > :12:41.all of us to find a way forward to meet them, so that the Unitdd

:12:42. > :12:49.Kingdom can continue to prosper as one nation in the years to come My

:12:50. > :12:54.Lords, I beg to move. The question is is that this motion

:12:55. > :13:02.be agreed to. My Lords. Recently, we have seen how

:13:03. > :13:06.strong leadership, teamwork, thoughtful strategy and real skill

:13:07. > :13:10.can be effective and successful Unfortunately, it has not come from

:13:11. > :13:16.politics or governments, but the Welsh football team for somd much

:13:17. > :13:21.needed each year to us all. My Lords, the debate over the next two

:13:22. > :13:25.macro days is not for the rdferendum campaign, we are all still seeking

:13:26. > :13:30.to understand what happens next where do we go from here. And what

:13:31. > :13:36.alarms me, and I think is ftelling the uncertainty that fills so many

:13:37. > :13:40.areas of our lives, is not happy answers the Government has, but how

:13:41. > :13:48.few questions appear to havd been asked beforehand. This was something

:13:49. > :13:54.that knowledge and expertisd, this was something that we in thhs House

:13:55. > :13:57.recognised. When we asked, during the legislation, that the Government

:13:58. > :14:01.prepared not only report on the impact of Brexit, but also

:14:02. > :14:09.contingency plans. The Government declined to do so. So, my Lords is

:14:10. > :14:15.it possible to address the uncertainty that the recognhtion of

:14:16. > :14:19.false promises made on such a gigantic scale. The worst is the

:14:20. > :14:23.insistence before the boat that ?350 million per week would be available

:14:24. > :14:28.for the National Health Service before that's been denied whthin

:14:29. > :14:31.hours of the polls closing. It is one thing to make policies hn good

:14:32. > :14:37.faith, even if they can't l`ter be fully capped, it is quite another to

:14:38. > :14:43.tell tall tales, knowing th`t they are complete fiction. But mx Lords,

:14:44. > :14:51.both of those fuelled the ctrrent uncertainty. In questions l`st week,

:14:52. > :14:56.the noble lord was asked about the 3 million uses dozens in the TK, and

:14:57. > :15:02.the UK citizens living in the EU. Unable to offer any reassur`nces, he

:15:03. > :15:05.merely implied that EU citizens in this country will be used as some

:15:06. > :15:11.kind of bargaining chip when the negotiation of rights for British

:15:12. > :15:15.citizens in other EU countrhes. My Lords, in this House, we all know

:15:16. > :15:20.that is wrong. It is unacceptable and must be resolved urgently. The

:15:21. > :15:24.longer this issue drags on, the more damaging it is. We have had to prime

:15:25. > :15:30.ministerial statements on this issue. The fallout has filldd the

:15:31. > :15:40.airwaves and conversations `round the country. Since the results, we

:15:41. > :15:44.have less certainty, not more. And that is in part because of the week

:15:45. > :15:50.it has been handled by the Government, with apparently no plan

:15:51. > :15:53.to deal with the situation. Having sought further negotiations, the

:15:54. > :15:58.Prime Minister then announcdd his resignation, saying it was ` matter

:15:59. > :16:01.for his successor. My Lords, I feel very strongly that those who made

:16:02. > :16:06.their case by relying on information that was known to be false, or made

:16:07. > :16:12.promises they knew they would never be able to keep, have acted without

:16:13. > :16:15.integrity. And when the Prile Minister, the new Prime Minhster,

:16:16. > :16:22.comes to a point a new cabinets it should be other modes -- uppermost

:16:23. > :16:27.in higher mind that the comlitment to truth is a central policx. We all

:16:28. > :16:32.know we have a difficult ro`d ahead of us as we all must play otr part.

:16:33. > :16:36.We must act in the best intdrest of our country, the best interdsts of

:16:37. > :16:42.protesters hasn't here and `broad, and those who live and work here. --

:16:43. > :16:49.British citizens. We also rdcognise that we cannot wait for Mr Cameron's

:16:50. > :16:51.replacement to be in place. We look at constitutional issues, and that

:16:52. > :16:56.is where absolute legal poshtion is required. How is the trigger for

:16:57. > :17:02.Article 50 authorised? Is this a matter for Parliament or for the

:17:03. > :17:09.executive? The current Primd Minister said that triggering

:17:10. > :17:13.Article 50 as a matter for the new Prime Minister. So is it thd view of

:17:14. > :17:17.the Government that the dechsion lies entirely within the hands of

:17:18. > :17:22.the new Prime Minister? Why should such a fundamental decision not be a

:17:23. > :17:28.matter for Parliament? Therd remains a lack of Coyote about the process

:17:29. > :17:39.on when this takes effect. Last week the noble lord asked an extremely

:17:40. > :17:42.important question. He asked for confirmation as to whether the UK's

:17:43. > :17:50.departure from the EU would not be final until the end of the two year

:17:51. > :17:52.negotiation process. And whdther the terms of departure were known, it

:17:53. > :17:59.was the duty of Government to have the opportunity to consider those

:18:00. > :18:04.terms? The question was not answered, other than to confirm what

:18:05. > :18:08.we already know, to say that Article 50 was a two- your process `nd it

:18:09. > :18:17.was the duty of the next Prhme Minister. Having a give people the

:18:18. > :18:20.say in the process of initi`ting withdrawal, should the publhc wish

:18:21. > :18:27.to debate and discuss and vote on the Times about withdrawal, will be

:18:28. > :18:34.able to do so? On the advicd of senior legal opinion, that committee

:18:35. > :18:40.made the point that withdrawal is final. Only once a withdraw`l

:18:41. > :18:47.agreement enters into force. Set a member state that had given

:18:48. > :18:50.notification under article 40 would be legally empowered to revdrse the

:18:51. > :18:57.decision before that stage. But legal opinion published this week in

:18:58. > :19:05.an article on UK constitutional law, entitled pulling the trigger on

:19:06. > :19:10.Article 50 - Parliament's critical role - there are also clear that

:19:11. > :19:15.once Article 50 is invoked `nd the clock starts ticking on the two

:19:16. > :19:17.years of negotiation, if nice accessible withdrawal agreelent is

:19:18. > :19:24.reached, membership ceases without agreement. So we have two

:19:25. > :19:28.heavyweight, serious legal opinions in complete opposition. I al not a

:19:29. > :19:32.liar, it is really not for le to judge which is correct. But sure the

:19:33. > :19:37.Government must have clarifhed exactly how this worked before

:19:38. > :19:45.embarking on the journey? And that can't be led just the next Prime to

:19:46. > :19:49.clarify. So does the Governlent have a decision agreed with the DU, and

:19:50. > :19:55.can the Government today confirm what that decision is? The noble

:19:56. > :20:00.lady referred to the role of Parliament not yet been cle`r. That

:20:01. > :20:03.has been confirmed across the board by a senior Conservative st`nding

:20:04. > :20:07.for the leadership. This is a critical issue. It's not about

:20:08. > :20:14.allowing time for debates. Ht is not even about scrutiny of decisions

:20:15. > :20:19.taken by Government. These `re the most profound, complex negotiations

:20:20. > :20:24.and manageable. We have 40 xears of confirmation, 40 years of joint

:20:25. > :20:33.working, and 40 years of legislation to disentangle. My colleaguds in the

:20:34. > :20:37.other place have asked the Prime Minister had that engagement could

:20:38. > :20:40.be taken forward. So has thd Government considered new

:20:41. > :20:44.parliamentary structures, stch as specialist committees to work on the

:20:45. > :20:52.detail and seek advice from experts? And what consideration has been

:20:53. > :20:56.given to the committees in the House to take advantage of the vast

:20:57. > :21:02.expertise? Because as well of the legal process of disengagemdnt, we

:21:03. > :21:08.have to examine areas as diverse as the environmental protection, rights

:21:09. > :21:12.of work, security, transport. Alongside the all-important trade

:21:13. > :21:18.discussions, including single market and freedom of movement. Thdn there

:21:19. > :21:22.is legislation. Provided for through treaties that will need to be

:21:23. > :21:29.confirmed in British law if we wish to keep it. Do we know how lany such

:21:30. > :21:35.laws there are, and in which areas? As insanely hope that somewhere

:21:36. > :21:38.someone in Whitehall is tryhng to compile -- sincerely hope, the

:21:39. > :21:42.largest ring binder in history. That is where the role of Parlialent has

:21:43. > :21:46.to be clear. Once Article 50 has to be triggered, we cannot afford to

:21:47. > :21:50.wait six months while the Government starts to consider what the

:21:51. > :21:53.processes and may be. In thd Parliament statements, therd was

:21:54. > :21:58.more about the role of the civil service than in parliament. And what

:21:59. > :22:05.about institutions are affected Local governments, national health

:22:06. > :22:09.service, the TUC, science, education, arts and sport sdctors -

:22:10. > :22:15.semi-decisions that affect our economic, social and social life are

:22:16. > :22:19.now on hold. When Mr Cameron committed to staying on for the

:22:20. > :22:23.negotiations, that was accepted as providing continuity. But know the

:22:24. > :22:28.Conservative Party is having a contest for a new leader and Prime

:22:29. > :22:36.Minister. Even the noble lord dolls has said that even he could not have

:22:37. > :22:44.scripted the story. And he hnvented the House of cards. My Lords, the

:22:45. > :22:47.role of Parliament has to bd taken under negotiation from thosd who

:22:48. > :22:53.expect to be the next Prime Minister. Taking tenders were

:22:54. > :22:58.starkly opposing views, even when negotiations should start. On Sunday

:22:59. > :23:04.it was said, certainly not before the end of the year, we need to be

:23:05. > :23:09.clear about other positions. Theresa May wasn't just a member of the

:23:10. > :23:13.Cabinet that gave us the referendum - she was the Home Secretarx. So was

:23:14. > :23:18.the Cabinet really so I'm clear when it made the decision about what our

:23:19. > :23:21.position would be? And yestdrday, Andrea Leadsom said we should

:23:22. > :23:25.trigger Article 50 and started negotiations straightaway. Ly Lords,

:23:26. > :23:29.that is continuation of the act now, think later politics that are

:23:30. > :23:38.created the instability we currently have. Last week I asked the Labour

:23:39. > :23:44.leader about the guv's programme coming up. But everything h`s

:23:45. > :23:50.changed, this is not business as usual. The legislation laid out in

:23:51. > :23:53.the Queen's Speech continues to lump on without regulating the htge

:23:54. > :23:58.amount of new worker needs to be undertaken. Senior civil servants

:23:59. > :24:03.already believe that Brexit will consume their energies for xears to

:24:04. > :24:07.come. It'll be the central focus of our policies, politics and

:24:08. > :24:12.Government. A effort from everyone involved in Government that no part

:24:13. > :24:16.of the civil service will bd able to avoid. From Whitehall to local

:24:17. > :24:22.governments, gaps and funding from the EU have to be plugged,

:24:23. > :24:26.regulation has to be done and I m done, everything has to be reworked.

:24:27. > :24:28.It is absolutely right that the Prime Minister has said that the

:24:29. > :24:33.brightest and best will be needed for that process. But we nedded

:24:34. > :24:40.those brightest and best to work on housing policy. We needed them to

:24:41. > :24:43.develop the UK as a new centre of technological advances. We need them

:24:44. > :24:47.to deal with issues in our health service and demographic changes

:24:48. > :24:53.which bring challenges to otr society. Just think what thdy could

:24:54. > :24:56.be doing now. Not a single sector is currently being offered guidance or

:24:57. > :25:01.support from the Government on what the EU result means for thel. There

:25:02. > :25:05.is not answered yet for our businesses are public services which

:25:06. > :25:08.employs thousands of EU cithzens. There are no plans advice for more

:25:09. > :25:17.deprived areas about how thdy will manage with the withdrawal of EU

:25:18. > :25:19.funding. Our restitution to end the scientific community need advice,

:25:20. > :25:25.support and information. Large employers are already joining up

:25:26. > :25:29.hands to leave the UK, and the Government's lack of certainty about

:25:30. > :25:35.EU citizens working for global countries than the macro colpanies

:25:36. > :25:41.here as to the confusion. The results of cultural and sochal

:25:42. > :25:51.uncertainties are uglier sthll. Since the mat results, therd has

:25:52. > :25:55.been a 57% rise in hate criles. For those invested so much in the ideals

:25:56. > :25:59.of Europe, and those are nehther said the campaign, the currdnt

:26:00. > :26:04.political enthusiasm and interest of harnessed for good. We want to see

:26:05. > :26:08.focus in positive ways, not left blowing in the wind, or worse still,

:26:09. > :26:13.fuelling a greater distrust of politics and politicians. I doubt

:26:14. > :26:16.the local lady will be able to convince the House that the

:26:17. > :26:22.Government understood all the implications of the leaflet before

:26:23. > :26:25.the referendum. We need to understand the role of Parlhament. I

:26:26. > :26:30.accept there are some issues where it is highly desirable to ldad to a

:26:31. > :26:39.new primers are, but not thdse. One than ever, we need to unite under a

:26:40. > :26:43.common purpose of decency. Ht is true of the uncertainty we face but

:26:44. > :26:47.also the political uncertainty. And when the country is crying out for

:26:48. > :27:00.direction and leadership, wd have a duty to answer.

:27:01. > :27:10.We stand ready to play our part I thank the House for the momdnt to

:27:11. > :27:16.discuss the outcome of the Duropean referendum. As I expressed during

:27:17. > :27:22.our exchanges last week, I was devastated by the result. I.e.,

:27:23. > :27:25.along with many of my noble friends and Liberal Democrats come have a

:27:26. > :27:29.deep rooted commitment for partnership with our Europe`n

:27:30. > :27:37.neighbours. Internationalisl is in our DNA. It is a commitment to the

:27:38. > :27:45.beliefs and ideals of the Etropean Union undertaking, of a peaceful,

:27:46. > :27:50.prosperous and United Europd. Promoting human rights and the rule

:27:51. > :27:55.of law. That is something I and many of my noble friends have striven

:27:56. > :28:00.for. The result of the referendum is felt very personally on these

:28:01. > :28:05.benches. We cannot be expected to give up these core beliefs nor shall

:28:06. > :28:09.we. We believe Britain should be an outward looking country which can

:28:10. > :28:13.thrive, innovate, leading an open, global economy, a country which

:28:14. > :28:19.works in partnership with those who share our values to overcomd common

:28:20. > :28:23.adversaries and see future benefits with neighbours and partners.

:28:24. > :28:28.Investing in economies and sharing prosperity so Britain can bd even

:28:29. > :28:32.greater than it is now. The cry to take back our country is not one to

:28:33. > :28:40.which I can subscribe because I do not believe I ever lost my country.

:28:41. > :28:43.Reflecting on the words of ly much missed friend, Charles Kennddy, I

:28:44. > :28:50.too have multiple identities of Scottish, British and Europdan. I am

:28:51. > :28:54.also a Democrat so I accept and respect the result of the rdferendum

:28:55. > :29:00.on the 23rd of June even if saddened by it. I approach the result with

:29:01. > :29:05.some humility for I know I have to accept my share of responsible -

:29:06. > :29:08.responsibility for the colldctive failure of politicians, institutions

:29:09. > :29:12.and the media to make the positive case over many years for thd

:29:13. > :29:17.European Union and the benefits it brings to this country. The

:29:18. > :29:20.referendum should give everxone a public life pause for thought. Too

:29:21. > :29:27.often the European Union has been used as a scapegoat on a distraction

:29:28. > :29:31.from failures in Government. As my honourable friend has said, the vote

:29:32. > :29:36.was a collective frustration at the political class and big bushness and

:29:37. > :29:41.the global elites. My deep concern is as we go forward, there hs likely

:29:42. > :29:44.to be more dissatisfaction `nd more frustration as people realise that

:29:45. > :29:49.much of what they were promhsed during the referendum campahgn will

:29:50. > :29:53.not be possible. The sad re`lity is the alternatives offered will do

:29:54. > :29:57.nothing to help those in England's poorer regions because the league

:29:58. > :30:02.campaign offered contradictory conditions outside of what the EU

:30:03. > :30:04.will look like. This poses ` fundamental question for liberal

:30:05. > :30:12.democracy and parliamentary democracy. Based on attention to

:30:13. > :30:15.evidence, to reasoned debatd, the willingness to compromise and

:30:16. > :30:19.tolerance. Politics involves a conversation in which we le`rn about

:30:20. > :30:23.other people, see things from that point of view, trying to balance

:30:24. > :30:27.their needs against our own. We recognise the existence of different

:30:28. > :30:36.groups, different opinions `nd balancing these interests. Politics

:30:37. > :30:41.is a way of ruling divided societies without undue violence. And yet we

:30:42. > :30:45.have seen some very troubling and violent scenes since the 23rd of

:30:46. > :30:52.June. We have seen the anger and frustration translated in some nasty

:30:53. > :30:57.incidents of racism and xenophobia. Over the course of the weekdnd

:30:58. > :31:04.following the vote, the Nathonal police chief Council has ruled that

:31:05. > :31:10.hate crimes reported have rhsen 72%. The careless and rush languhsh of

:31:11. > :31:13.some Brexit campaigners seels to have legitimised the prejudhce of

:31:14. > :31:18.people to the point where they are targeting people who are visibly

:31:19. > :31:23.different. It is only a small minority who perpetrate such

:31:24. > :31:31.outrageous but to the impact -- to the victim, the impact is 100%. The

:31:32. > :31:36.fear is all too real. This hs unacceptable and it must stop. It is

:31:37. > :31:40.not my Britain. I believe there are many layers and facets to why many

:31:41. > :31:46.people voted to leave the Etropean Union. The vote was symbolic of our

:31:47. > :31:49.rejection of pretty much -- British multiculturalism, concerns on

:31:50. > :32:00.pressure on our schools, hospitals and GP services. For me, thd answers

:32:01. > :32:03.to these wider questions ard both domestic and international `nd there

:32:04. > :32:08.is much that can be done in Westminster. Much that should be

:32:09. > :32:11.done standing shoulder to shoulder with our European neighbours. If

:32:12. > :32:17.those who led the campaign to leave you -- EU have answers, we need to

:32:18. > :32:22.hear them now. Do we want to be in the single market or do thex not?

:32:23. > :32:30.What freedom of movement do they want to see? Will taxes go tp? What

:32:31. > :32:33.spending will go down? How would they secure a bright future for our

:32:34. > :32:38.children and young people? One of the defining features has bden the

:32:39. > :32:42.utter dismay and anger of young people who believe they havd been

:32:43. > :32:47.deprived of the opportunitids and freedoms which our post-war

:32:48. > :32:51.generation take for granted. Whichever side of the referdndum

:32:52. > :32:55.divide we were on, we owe it to our people to keep alive hope and

:32:56. > :33:03.established corporative links which will provide opportunity. There is

:33:04. > :33:09.an ounce of questions and dtring this debate, a number of my noble

:33:10. > :33:15.friends will want to pool expertise. I hope the Minister will take this

:33:16. > :33:25.in the spirit it was contended - intended. Can I post some ftrther

:33:26. > :33:32.constitutional questions and in particular the role of Parlhament.

:33:33. > :33:36.Last week during our exchanges are at the lead of the House about the

:33:37. > :33:39.process for triggering article 0 and I still await an answer. It

:33:40. > :33:45.states any member state may withdraw from the union in accordancd with

:33:46. > :33:50.its own constitutional requhrements. There is very little claritx as to

:33:51. > :33:55.what the UK's requirements `re. Will this be done by the Prime Mhnister

:33:56. > :33:59.acting alone using his own prerogative? Will there be

:34:00. > :34:03.consultation with Parliament, debating both houses or just the

:34:04. > :34:08.House of Commons? Should thdre be legislation? There has been legal

:34:09. > :34:13.and academic debate as to how Article 50 will be triggered but to

:34:14. > :34:19.date there is no certainty. Whilst I can see there is a case for leaving

:34:20. > :34:21.to the new Prime Minister wdnt to trigger article 50, this

:34:22. > :34:26.Administration must have a view as to how it should be triggerdd. In

:34:27. > :34:32.February will last for less Administration. They might have

:34:33. > :34:35.given it some attention and thought. It would be to the benefit of

:34:36. > :34:41.Parliament and the country for the position to be clarified as soon as

:34:42. > :34:46.possible. What will the rold of Parliament and this Housby hn

:34:47. > :34:50.carrying out its scrutiny ftnctions and its constitutional duty of

:34:51. > :34:59.holding the Government to count in the process of negotiation with

:35:00. > :35:01.other EU member states. It will be helpful to have some indication from

:35:02. > :35:09.the Government of the princhples which will go under Parliamdntary

:35:10. > :35:13.scrutiny during this process. Which laws and regulations that h`ve

:35:14. > :35:19.derived from Europe will we keep and replace? Much legislation whll be

:35:20. > :35:22.needed to give effect to thd process. Can the noble lady when she

:35:23. > :35:27.comes to reply confirm Parlhament will retain its important scrutiny

:35:28. > :35:30.punch -- function in this rdgard. In the wider constitutional

:35:31. > :35:35.implications, bearing in mind Scotland and Northern Ireland work

:35:36. > :35:45.strongly to remain in the ET, how will the Government devolved to

:35:46. > :35:48.ensure the needs of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are properly

:35:49. > :35:58.reflected in negotiations? Will Scottish Wales and Northern Ireland

:35:59. > :36:02.take part in the special unht? For local and regional authorithes in

:36:03. > :36:05.region to ensure their diverse interests are taken on board. It

:36:06. > :36:10.will be helpful if the nobld lady could answer these when she comes to

:36:11. > :36:14.respond tomorrow evening but I would welcome a commitment from hdr at

:36:15. > :36:17.least the unit will give most thorough consideration to issues

:36:18. > :36:22.that have been raised in thhs debate and she will return to this house on

:36:23. > :36:26.a periodic basis to ensure we are kept informed on the progress of

:36:27. > :36:29.negotiations. And the Government will make use of the experthse and

:36:30. > :36:35.this house going forward. In the meantime, I am concerned how there

:36:36. > :36:40.is an abdication of responshbility by the Government in relation to a

:36:41. > :36:44.number of matters. This is the sixth sitting days as the referendum but I

:36:45. > :36:50.suspect there is many tiring of the expression. The premise been clear

:36:51. > :36:53.issues related to the exit would be for the new Prime Minister `nd they

:36:54. > :36:58.are not in a position to make new announcements in this area. If there

:36:59. > :37:07.is one glimmer of reassurance, at this time of great economic

:37:08. > :37:12.uncertainty and constitutional crisis,, they have been talking

:37:13. > :37:15.about the bus service. How very British. This present adminhstration

:37:16. > :37:21.can and should take the lead and stay openly -- state openly that

:37:22. > :37:26.come what may, European nathonals settled in this country will

:37:27. > :37:31.continue to stay here. The case for such an unequivocal commitmdnt was

:37:32. > :37:36.made by the noble Lord, Lord Dobbs yesterday. What morality wotld make

:37:37. > :37:41.bargaining chips of the livds and livelihoods of people legally and

:37:42. > :37:46.responsibly settled here? Their families, livelihoods, hopes and

:37:47. > :37:56.aspirations? It is not as if it is a practical bargaining position. It

:37:57. > :38:03.will not deport up to 3 million EU citizens. In the dying days of this

:38:04. > :38:07.Government will surely the Prime Minister and his ministers can show

:38:08. > :38:15.some moral Farber -- Firebird show something honourable out of the

:38:16. > :38:19.wreckage of their Government. My Lords, the events of the last two

:38:20. > :38:25.weeks have led to some of the most dramatic and dynamic changes we have

:38:26. > :38:30.known. The course of the calpaign was both robust as it properly

:38:31. > :38:35.should be on search great issues but at times feared over the line on

:38:36. > :38:41.both sides. It is not merelx being robust but an acceptable. Through

:38:42. > :38:46.those comments, we creating cracks in the crust of their politdness and

:38:47. > :38:51.tolerance of our society through which since the referendum, we have

:38:52. > :38:57.seen and out well enough pohson that I cannot remember in this country

:38:58. > :39:02.for very many years. It is dssential not only in this house but for the

:39:03. > :39:06.leaders of both sides and throughout our society to challenge thd

:39:07. > :39:12.attacks, the xenophobia and the racism that seemed to have been felt

:39:13. > :39:19.to be acceptable at least for a while. Last week, just over a week

:39:20. > :39:23.ago at Lambeth Palace, we h`ve the breaking of the fast at the end of

:39:24. > :39:27.the fasting day of Ramadan hn which I shared with the new Mayor of

:39:28. > :39:33.London, said Deke Khan, and the Chief Rabbi. We had over 100 people

:39:34. > :39:37.of every faith and of no fahth. That sense of hope and energy and a

:39:38. > :39:44.future was one that carried us through the rest of the week. It is

:39:45. > :39:50.there and we cannot -- can reach for it. If we are too thicken that crust

:39:51. > :39:56.through which these cracks have come, if we are to move to ` place

:39:57. > :40:00.where we are not yet to spe`k of reconciliation but to begin to get

:40:01. > :40:06.on a path where in the future healing and reconciliation will

:40:07. > :40:12.begin to happen, then we nedd to beware. Saint Paul in his ldtter to

:40:13. > :40:18.the Galatians said, love ond another, ceased to tear at one

:40:19. > :40:21.another, lest at the end yot consume one another. We are in dangdr of

:40:22. > :40:28.that in the way our politics is developing at the moment. If we are

:40:29. > :40:33.to tackle that, we have to look at some of the fundamental isstes which

:40:34. > :40:41.must be put in place if we `re to have a society that is capable of

:40:42. > :40:44.creating the agile flexible, creative entrepreneurial exciting

:40:45. > :40:50.Society full of the common good of solidarity, of love one another

:40:51. > :40:54.That is the only way this country will flourish and prosper for all

:40:55. > :41:01.its citizens in the world ottside the European Union of the ftture.

:41:02. > :41:05.The biggest thing is that wd must challenge my Lords if we ard to be

:41:06. > :41:10.effective in this creation of a new vision for Britain. A vision that

:41:11. > :41:17.enables hope and reconciliation to begin to flower. It is to t`ckle the

:41:18. > :41:22.issues of inequality. It is inequality that thins out the crust

:41:23. > :41:27.of our society. It is inequ`lity that raises the levels of anger

:41:28. > :41:32.resentment and bitterness. We have done it before, my lords. This is

:41:33. > :41:39.not new. In the 19th-centurx, we tackled inequality in the great

:41:40. > :41:42.Government is following 1944. We tackled the inequality that had been

:41:43. > :41:45.so ruinous to our society in the 1930s. And led to the failures of

:41:46. > :41:55.that time. The tools to tackle inequalhty is

:41:56. > :41:59.readily available as they ever were. They are the obvious ones of

:42:00. > :42:06.education, public health, and we were down to date mental he`lth

:42:07. > :42:12.housing. But those tools ard tools that we have to take out and invest

:42:13. > :42:19.in. I am glad to say that the education side of the Church of

:42:20. > :42:24.England, to which I believe my friends the Bishop of Ely whll speak

:42:25. > :42:27.later, has just launched a fresh vision for education which draws

:42:28. > :42:33.together not only the need for skills, but also the need for a

:42:34. > :42:41.whole piece on, deeply imbudd with the virtues and aspirations that we

:42:42. > :42:45.will need in our society. Btt we also need investment in public

:42:46. > :42:50.health. We need to narrow the gaps of inequality that have emerged in

:42:51. > :42:54.recent years. Last week, we saw figures that were horrifying as to

:42:55. > :42:58.the level of child poverty hn this country. We have seen a whitening in

:42:59. > :43:05.the unfairness in our society. It is no surprise that some of thd things

:43:06. > :43:12.that have so shocked us havd emerged in the last few days. If those tools

:43:13. > :43:21.are to be used effectively, they are no use held in some kind of vacuum

:43:22. > :43:25.of values. We need a renewal of values in this country. A rdnewal of

:43:26. > :43:34.the commitment to the common good. A renewal of solidarity. We nded a

:43:35. > :43:38.sense of generosity, of hospitality, the overflowing of riches and

:43:39. > :43:43.flourishing that we possess, not only into our society but across the

:43:44. > :43:51.world. The issues of immigr`tion, hatred expressed to those who may

:43:52. > :43:54.have been here for two or three generations, are not be resolved by

:43:55. > :44:01.simply pulling the drawbridge. They will only be resolved, as whll the

:44:02. > :44:06.plight of the many British citizens in Europe - and this morning I was

:44:07. > :44:09.talking to a bishop whose jtdges have many of them attending, and

:44:10. > :44:16.hearing from them the massive concern and deep insecurity they

:44:17. > :44:23.hold. I'm so grateful that ly noble lords have all been clear about the

:44:24. > :44:29.unacceptable nature of treating people as bargaining chips. I want

:44:30. > :44:34.to add my voice to that. We are to have a new sense of values. In

:44:35. > :44:39.December, if the usual channels are helpful, as they promised to be I

:44:40. > :44:44.hope there will be a day's debate which I will be holding on ` Friday

:44:45. > :44:48.on the nature of British values I think that has become much lore

:44:49. > :44:53.important. I hope some of your noble Lordships will be able to

:44:54. > :45:00.participate. We cannot desp`ir, my Lords. There is many of us who have

:45:01. > :45:03.been part of the 48, some of the 52 will stop to bring them togdther for

:45:04. > :45:09.a country that flourishes for all its citizens is now our gre`t

:45:10. > :45:15.challenge. I started with Scripture at all, I will finish with due. As

:45:16. > :45:20.the Israelites were about to enter the promised land, God said to

:45:21. > :45:24.Moses, the eternal God is your refuge and underneath of thd

:45:25. > :45:28.everlasting arms. We live in a society deeply embedded in that

:45:29. > :45:34.sense of destiny and hope. We can catch hold of that hope and be that

:45:35. > :45:40.agile, flourishing and all company real society that will benefit the

:45:41. > :45:43.poorest and the richest. Th`t will reach out with a foreword foreign

:45:44. > :45:47.policy to the purist around the world, that can renew the standards

:45:48. > :45:54.that we believe are the best of this country. My Lords, I hope wd, in

:45:55. > :46:03.this debate, we'll have that sense of optimism and hope.

:46:04. > :46:11.My Lords, one of the most momentous decisions of our time has bden

:46:12. > :46:15.taken. Parliament agreed, bx an overwhelming majority, that the

:46:16. > :46:19.people should decide in a rdferendum whether our country should stay in

:46:20. > :46:27.the European Union or leave. And the people have decided, on a m`ssive

:46:28. > :46:33.mandate, that we should leave. It is regrettable that there are some

:46:34. > :46:36.unhappy with the result that should prevent this implementation, whether

:46:37. > :46:43.by a second referendum or some other device. It is difficult to hmagine

:46:44. > :46:51.anything more irresponsible, either democratically or politically. I can

:46:52. > :46:56.only issue that living in an elitist London bubble, they are blithely

:46:57. > :47:02.unaware of the alienation of a large and growing section of the British

:47:03. > :47:07.public from the London -basdd political and banking establishment.

:47:08. > :47:13.Any attempt to overturn the referendum will invite mayhdm of the

:47:14. > :47:20.most greediest kind. -- gridvous time. It will be playing with fire.

:47:21. > :47:28.I invite those who entertain this desire to consider the consdquences.

:47:29. > :47:32.They may also wish to reflect on what their response would bd had the

:47:33. > :47:36.referendum produced a majorhty to remain in the European Union, and

:47:37. > :47:46.the disaffected losers had then demanded it be rerun. So, the only

:47:47. > :47:50.question before us is how bdst to implement our departure frol the

:47:51. > :47:55.European Union. Our starting point should be that we wish the best

:47:56. > :47:59.possible relationship with the peoples and governments of Durope,

:48:00. > :48:08.against whom we have no gridvance whatsoever. And a multiplichty of

:48:09. > :48:15.mutual injuries. One import`nt point that follows from this is that we

:48:16. > :48:21.must respect the EU doctrind that to remain a member of the single market

:48:22. > :48:23.would have to accept freedol of European citizens to come and live

:48:24. > :48:29.and work here. That is something which at the British people made

:48:30. > :48:35.clear is not on. So we must accept that we will be outside the single

:48:36. > :48:42.market. That is scarcely a disaster. The rest of the world is outside the

:48:43. > :48:47.single market. And the rest of the world trade happily and profitably

:48:48. > :48:56.with the European Union. Yot don't need a trade agreement to trade

:48:57. > :49:01.More over, if we were to sedk some special trading relationship with

:49:02. > :49:05.the EU, not only would we bd adopting the possession of `

:49:06. > :49:14.supplicant, which I don't lhke, but it would be a futile request.

:49:15. > :49:17.Following the implication of Article 50, it is important that our

:49:18. > :49:23.negotiations with the EU ard completed as speedily as possible.

:49:24. > :49:29.The prolonged period of uncdrtainty can only be damaging for Brhtish

:49:30. > :49:34.business and the British economy. By ruling out the chimera of trade to

:49:35. > :49:43.go see speedy process becomds practicable. Among the issuds which

:49:44. > :49:48.will indeed need to be agredd is the position of existing EU nathonals

:49:49. > :49:53.resident in the United Kingdom, and the existing UK nationals rdsident

:49:54. > :49:58.in the European Union. I have to say that, in common with other noble

:49:59. > :50:05.lords, I am appalled by the unwillingness of the Governlent to

:50:06. > :50:08.give a clear undertaking th`t the EU nationals resident here before the

:50:09. > :50:13.23rd of June will be able to remain, come what may. But only would it be

:50:14. > :50:19.unconscionable to require them to leave, but if we did this, ht would

:50:20. > :50:22.be deliberate dissemination against Europeans, since there is clearly

:50:23. > :50:27.and rightly no intention of requiring Americans or any other

:50:28. > :50:35.non-Europeans resident in the UK to leave. That, my Lords, is no way to

:50:36. > :50:41.build the close friendships we seek with our fellow Europeans across the

:50:42. > :50:46.Channel. Instead of wasting time and energy on a futile and wholly

:50:47. > :50:51.misguided attempt to secure a trade agreement with the EU, the British

:50:52. > :50:55.Government needs to focus on how we plan to conduct ourselves as a

:50:56. > :51:03.self-governing nation outside the EU. There is a whole range of issues

:51:04. > :51:09.which need to be addressed. On the precise nature of our immigration

:51:10. > :51:12.controls - which need to be a single system applying to Europeans and

:51:13. > :51:21.non-Europeans are like - to how we will support our farmers following

:51:22. > :51:27.our exit from the CHP. The Government also needs to repeal the

:51:28. > :51:32.1972 European communities act, which makes UK law subordinates to EU law.

:51:33. > :51:37.With a delayed commencement date to be determined by Parliament in due

:51:38. > :51:46.course. Meanwhile, a study needs to be undertaken of the EU regtlar

:51:47. > :51:50.issue is currently on the statute book, to decide which we wish to

:51:51. > :51:56.retain, which to an end, in which to scrap altogether. All this hs a

:51:57. > :52:04.substantial and vital undertaking, which needs to be started now. It is

:52:05. > :52:10.all entirely in our own hands, and not a matter of negotiation. The

:52:11. > :52:17.result of the referendum was a tribute to the courage of the

:52:18. > :52:22.British people. Project Fear may have been successful in redtcing the

:52:23. > :52:29.size of the Brexit majority, but most of our fellow citizens declined

:52:30. > :52:33.to be towelled. The next Government and the next Prime Minister, whoever

:52:34. > :52:36.he or she may be, will have a historic opportunity. The

:52:37. > :52:44.opportunity to make the United Kingdom the most dynamic and freest

:52:45. > :52:49.country in the whole of Europe. To finish, in award, the job which

:52:50. > :52:54.Thatcher started. And to become a beacon to every European frhends,

:52:55. > :53:02.currently embroiled in a fidld and doomed experiment. -- failed and

:53:03. > :53:09.doomed experiment. I'm not going to follow Lord Lawson

:53:10. > :53:18.in what I thought was a less than generous, and in some areas still

:53:19. > :53:23.judged speech. -- ill judged speech. Of course, it is true to sax that

:53:24. > :53:27.the result of the referendul, and the consequences following from that

:53:28. > :53:34.result has been a shock to lany Members of Parliament. But only to

:53:35. > :53:44.those who supported Remain, but also to those who were on the Le`ve side

:53:45. > :53:47.as well. You need to see thd faces of Boris Johnson and Michael Gove on

:53:48. > :53:53.the day of their victory to understand that. I confess, speaking

:53:54. > :53:57.personally, that the last fortnight has delivered hammer blows to the

:53:58. > :54:04.two rate patterns are my political life - the relationship between the

:54:05. > :54:07.UK and continental partners, and indeed the idea of a Labour Party

:54:08. > :54:17.capable of winning a general elections. However, not all of us -

:54:18. > :54:26.don't laugh on that side - have a duty to work out on a way the linked

:54:27. > :54:33.crises that face us and work-out solutions that are in the n`tional

:54:34. > :54:36.interest. I don't want to dwell on the referendum, we will leave that

:54:37. > :54:42.to the historians. There ard 12 around here. But I do wish to make a

:54:43. > :54:47.few remarks. I find it astonishing that David Cameron, who started by

:54:48. > :54:52.infighting his party not to go one banging on about Europe, it should

:54:53. > :54:59.have got themselves embroildd in an in-out referendum which not only

:55:00. > :55:03.split his party, but also... During the campaign, Remain rightlx

:55:04. > :55:08.explains the consequences of leaving the EU, but it did so in an

:55:09. > :55:12.exaggerated way. I don't believe it was Project Fear, but there were

:55:13. > :55:16.certainly some exaggerations. And without making a positive c`se were

:55:17. > :55:21.staying in. And it is, indedd, a long-standing criticism of the

:55:22. > :55:25.British politicians of all persuasions that they have failed to

:55:26. > :55:31.make the case for British mdmbership while they had the chance. Dven Tony

:55:32. > :55:39.Blair, who was very stronglx pro-European, made his best speeches

:55:40. > :55:43.on Europe in Walsall and Strasbourg -- Warsaw and Strasbourg, r`ther

:55:44. > :55:50.than the UK. We are reaping what we have sown. As for the victorious

:55:51. > :55:55.Leave campaign, to their sh`me, they went well beyond exaggeration,

:55:56. > :55:58.especially over the cost of British membership. Other immigration, and

:55:59. > :56:04.over the prospects for Turkhsh membership. We have just he`rd a

:56:05. > :56:11.wonderful speech from the Archbishop of Canterbury, and we need to drop

:56:12. > :56:14.an important lesson from wh`t happened in that campaign. @nd we

:56:15. > :56:18.all need to act with certain amount of humility. Another it's and

:56:19. > :56:23.emotion which is not always associated with Lord Lawson, but a

:56:24. > :56:28.think on this occasion he mhght have shown it.

:56:29. > :56:41.Where are we today? We are where we are and despite the deep divisions

:56:42. > :56:45.in the UK, with this -- with London, Scotland and Northern Ireland and

:56:46. > :56:52.the young vote in the other way there was a narrow majority for

:56:53. > :56:57.Brexit. What should we do now? Whatever the long-term consdquences,

:56:58. > :57:02.if at all possible we must `void short-term economic damage `nd I

:57:03. > :57:06.therefore welcome the Chancdllor's decision to abandon his fiscal

:57:07. > :57:13.squeeze. I also welcome the governor of the bank of England's

:57:14. > :57:17.announcement to take whatevdr action to support growth. One of the most

:57:18. > :57:22.disgraceful features of the leads-macro campaign was an attack

:57:23. > :57:28.on the governor of the Bank of England. By goodness, they need him

:57:29. > :57:36.now. It is right to delay the invoking of article 54 leavhng the

:57:37. > :57:41.EU because we need time to work out a post Brexit plan. It is qtite

:57:42. > :57:51.astonishing that believers had no plans themselves. Only Boris Johnson

:57:52. > :57:58.would have had the initiative to come forward with a post Brdxit

:57:59. > :58:05.plan. He was meant to be thd leader of the leads-macro campaign until a

:58:06. > :58:17.candidate from the Tory leadership. -- Leave. There was not and is not a

:58:18. > :58:28.plan and we need it badly. Lord Lawson has referred to the basic

:58:29. > :58:34.conflict. We need access to by far our biggest market, the EU.

:58:35. > :58:40.Secondly, that requires accdptance of free movement of labour. Unless

:58:41. > :58:48.there is some change in the EU position, for example and

:58:49. > :58:55.emergencies -- emergence, wd are in an impasse which we need to work

:58:56. > :59:03.through. I don't think we do it by abandoning our role in the single

:59:04. > :59:07.market. That is a typical L`wson throwaway. I think it will be

:59:08. > :59:16.extremely damaging to the British industry. If we are honest, we ought

:59:17. > :59:23.to mention the political background that has evolved as a result of the

:59:24. > :59:30.referendum. I noticed last week s economist headline which sahd,

:59:31. > :59:35.anarchy in the UK. That was going a bit far but the reality is there is

:59:36. > :59:42.no real Government with authority since the resignation of thd Prime

:59:43. > :59:54.Minister. We have an unseemly scramble for office. The Labour

:59:55. > :00:01.opposition with the exception of the Labour group in the House of Lords,

:00:02. > :00:07.is also in a mess. It's members of Parliament have lost confiddnce in

:00:08. > :00:13.their leader. That leads us to a difficult situation. There hs no

:00:14. > :00:22.doubt that the Labour Party has to sort out its own problems as quickly

:00:23. > :00:26.as possible in this national crisis. In this linked series of crhses I

:00:27. > :00:30.think we need the help of Parliament. We need joint committees

:00:31. > :00:40.of both houses to oversee any post Brexit plan that emerges. The

:00:41. > :00:44.invoking of Article 50 and `ny subsequent negotiations. We have a

:00:45. > :00:53.role to play in times of national crisis. When Government's and have

:00:54. > :01:03.found wanting, we need to ttrn to our national parliament for advice

:01:04. > :01:07.and help. It is always a pldasure to follow the noble lord whose

:01:08. > :01:15.commitment to the European cause is long-standing and equivalent to that

:01:16. > :01:24.of any other. The temptation to simply say I docked the spedches is

:01:25. > :01:29.almost overwhelming. I am ddeply disappointed by the outcome of the

:01:30. > :01:36.referendum and I wish to dr`w conclusions from that. I hope the

:01:37. > :01:41.Leader of the House will not feel too presumptuous of me to s`y that

:01:42. > :01:46.from time to time in her spdech introducing the debate, I fdlt more

:01:47. > :01:53.than an echo of everything hs for the best in the best of all possible

:01:54. > :01:58.worlds. Unhappily, it isn't. My disappointment has been exacerbated

:01:59. > :02:04.by the rising racial incidents which make me reluctant to believd that

:02:05. > :02:09.this is still my country. Those who have lead us out of Europe bear a

:02:10. > :02:17.heavy responsibility which H have yet to see them accept or elbrace.

:02:18. > :02:20.Mr Johnson, whose fondness but cricket is well-established, has

:02:21. > :02:29.retired to the pavilion havhng been run out by his partner. Mr Farrell

:02:30. > :02:33.Raj -- Nigel Farage has reshgned for the third time and I think we can

:02:34. > :02:39.believe with some confidencd that it may not be the end of the chapter.

:02:40. > :02:43.The truth is that never in peace times has the UK faced such

:02:44. > :02:51.uncertainty with such littld prospect of early resolution. We are

:02:52. > :02:55.divided socially, politically and economically and this is a latter

:02:56. > :03:03.close to the heart of all of us from Scotland, the very future of the

:03:04. > :03:09.United Kingdom is now at st`ke. It is often explained by the theory of

:03:10. > :03:13.unintended consequences. I have a different theory. Me -- it hs the

:03:14. > :03:20.theory of inevitable conseqtences and as a theory, we may havd caused

:03:21. > :03:27.to revisit this after the publication of the Chilcott report.

:03:28. > :03:30.We have alienated generation of young people. If you doubt that

:03:31. > :03:36.look at the demonstrations `nd see the average of those demonstrating

:03:37. > :03:41.with commitment and enthusi`sm. We have embarked upon a period of

:03:42. > :03:46.economic uncertainty which hs gradually, not necessarily

:03:47. > :03:51.perceptibly but gradually bdginning to affect decision-making. Not about

:03:52. > :03:55.the stock market or the pound, it is about the decisions being m`de in

:03:56. > :04:01.boardrooms about not to invdst, about not to expand and to consider

:04:02. > :04:05.whether or not the best intdrests of their businesses will be served if

:04:06. > :04:14.they were located in the European Union. There is a paradox. The

:04:15. > :04:18.regions which have had most economic persistence from the Europe`n

:04:19. > :04:23.development fund have rejected the European Union. How will we provide

:04:24. > :04:29.the substitute finance in order to compensate them for that unwise

:04:30. > :04:35.decision? The regions are most likely to be affected adversely and

:04:36. > :04:40.are among various who deciddd to vote to leave. How should wd deal

:04:41. > :04:45.with the issues of housing, education and of transport which may

:04:46. > :04:52.have prompted these individtals to vote to leave the European Tnion?

:04:53. > :04:57.And further, what about the issue of talented individuals and

:04:58. > :05:00.professionals? Those with portable employment skills like surgdons

:05:01. > :05:05.information technology, people of that kind who are increasingly said

:05:06. > :05:11.to be ready to leave the Unhted Kingdom? We have heard from Lord

:05:12. > :05:17.Lawson assurances of entering a new golden age of economic succdss.

:05:18. > :05:20.Southern uplands was the only expression he didn't use. Wd will

:05:21. > :05:26.have increased influence in the world but my question is whdn? No

:05:27. > :05:33.one has yet been able to give an assessment or an effort to lay down

:05:34. > :05:40.a date by which we will entdr this combination of Arcadia and Ttopia.

:05:41. > :05:46.Any party which went to the country in the general election affdcting to

:05:47. > :05:52.offer promising economic progress but could not state the datd of it

:05:53. > :05:58.would be left out of court `nd rightly. Yet that is the proposition

:05:59. > :06:02.which the people of the United Kingdom are being invited to accept.

:06:03. > :06:08.There are two inevitable consequences and it is worth looking

:06:09. > :06:12.outside the euro -- UK. The first is the efforts of the European Union to

:06:13. > :06:20.deal with Mr Putin will event to be be diminished by the departtre of

:06:21. > :06:24.the United Kingdom from the union. He has two objectives. They are

:06:25. > :06:28.there for all to see. The destabilisation of the European

:06:29. > :06:33.Union and the undermining of Nato. We have helped the deep realisation

:06:34. > :06:41.of the European Union by thd decision which we are now proposing

:06:42. > :06:49.to take. Also, the relationship which we enjoyed with our closest

:06:50. > :06:53.ally will inevitably be different. Not least because President Obama

:06:54. > :06:57.went out of his way to say how important it was for the Unhted

:06:58. > :07:02.States, that Great Britain was an active member of the Europe`n Union,

:07:03. > :07:08.echoing the policy which has been the policy of the White House since

:07:09. > :07:12.the days of President Kennedy. Inevitably, the United Statds will

:07:13. > :07:16.look to a closer relationshhp with another country in Europe. To

:07:17. > :07:20.inevitable consequences of what we are about to do. It is equally

:07:21. > :07:26.inevitable that the relationship will be with Germany. Echoing the

:07:27. > :07:31.relationship between George Bush senior and Chancellor Schmidt,

:07:32. > :07:45.albeit some years ago but a productive one. It said,

:07:46. > :07:52.we are Brexiter's. I am not a Brexiter. We are acknowledghng the

:07:53. > :07:56.faults in the European Union but I never heard those who are arguing to

:07:57. > :08:03.leave acknowledge any of thd merits or advantages. How long will these

:08:04. > :08:07.negotiations that we are talking about take? How easy will it be The

:08:08. > :08:13.27 members with whom we shotld negotiate with will inevitably be

:08:14. > :08:18.bound to follow their own n`tional interests. How could they do

:08:19. > :08:29.otherwise? Particularly Angdla Merkel and Francois Hollandd. What

:08:30. > :08:34.will be the role of the leghslator? Have we to accept anything `nd

:08:35. > :08:37.everything which has been ptt before us? An unelected house in a

:08:38. > :08:43.different position from the other place just what is my responsibility

:08:44. > :08:47.and the responsibility of all noble Lords that legislation has put

:08:48. > :08:53.before us we regard as defective or not part of a sufficient, gdnerous

:08:54. > :08:57.settlement between ourselves and the rest of the European Union? Are we

:08:58. > :09:03.to accept these things without quibble? Are we to say, yes, the

:09:04. > :09:07.people have spoken and we mtst follow that? Even if it is our

:09:08. > :09:15.concierge is judgments that to do so in a particular area is not the

:09:16. > :09:20.correct thing to do. Let me finish. I discount the possibility of a

:09:21. > :09:25.second referendum. I discount the possibility of a successful

:09:26. > :09:30.challenge in the courts. I say this. Those who have brought us ott dream

:09:31. > :09:36.of an England that never was and a United Kingdom that never c`n be. We

:09:37. > :09:40.have set ourselves on that path It is inevitable that I should follow

:09:41. > :09:48.it. I tell the House this. H do so with a heavy heart. It may help the

:09:49. > :09:51.House if today I can find mx remarks as chair of the European Unhon

:09:52. > :09:56.select committee to the immddiate task in hand. That is making the

:09:57. > :10:02.most effective and constructive input we can as a committee to the

:10:03. > :10:08.Brexit process. It is not for me as chair to express the view today on

:10:09. > :10:13.the timing of withdrawal or notification under article 40 or in

:10:14. > :10:20.any way to prejudge decisions that will be for the incoming Prhme

:10:21. > :10:26.Minister. In times of turmohl, it is wise to keep calm and carry on that

:10:27. > :10:30.not, I would judge, to the dxcerpt -- to the extent of ploughing on

:10:31. > :10:35.regardless. There are 43 ye`rs of European membership and stop our

:10:36. > :10:40.committee and its subcommittees have drowned in our work and scrttiny of

:10:41. > :10:46.documents and we have made good use together of members, many btt by no

:10:47. > :10:52.means all of them have spechalist experience alongside an expdrt

:10:53. > :10:59.staff. We have built a reputation for independent evidence -b`sed

:11:00. > :11:03.enquiry demonstrated by the huge amount of interest generated by

:11:04. > :11:09.report published in May on the process of withdrawing from the

:11:10. > :11:15.European Union. I should stress that we simply cannot give up on

:11:16. > :11:19.scrutiny. The EU continues to develop legislation and polhcies

:11:20. > :11:24.with an impact on the United Kingdom, is businesses and citizens

:11:25. > :11:30.for as long as we remain melbers. Even thereafter, in areas where

:11:31. > :11:36.continuing involvement with the European Union is possible, such as,

:11:37. > :11:41.for example, single market `nd security issues, decisions reach --

:11:42. > :11:47.reached can have a continuing impact on our future interest.

:11:48. > :11:52.I am there for glad that thd United Kingdom Government have madd clear

:11:53. > :11:57.that they will continue be represented in Council, and that the

:11:58. > :12:04.Government will continue to provide explanatory memoranda to us on

:12:05. > :12:10.European Union documents. As a community, we will continue to

:12:11. > :12:15.fulfil our scrutiny duty, btt will strive in proportion, and ptt

:12:16. > :12:18.particular focus on issues relevant to the withdrawal negotiations after

:12:19. > :12:25.our long term interests. Wh`t's our remit is not limited to scrttiny. It

:12:26. > :12:33.is clear a new focus on Brexit will be required. We are pleased that

:12:34. > :12:36.Oliver Letwin leads the new Brexit unit and has agreed to see ts

:12:37. > :12:45.alongside the New Year Primd Minister later today. I hopd that

:12:46. > :12:48.are community will be in a position to publish some thoughts on how this

:12:49. > :12:55.House will scrutinise withdrawal negotiations before the sumler

:12:56. > :13:02.recess. -- new European minhster. That is after operational stbjects

:13:03. > :13:08.and so on. We are at the risk of duplication, so we will look at how

:13:09. > :13:14.best to collaborate and cooperate with other committees in both

:13:15. > :13:16.houses. We will also be building on our existing good links with the

:13:17. > :13:22.devolved legislatures and administrations. It is clear that in

:13:23. > :13:26.a fast moving situation, we will need to enhance communication with

:13:27. > :13:31.all the main players, and fhnd innovative ways of looking tp the

:13:32. > :13:37.phone and talking to people. And we must be ready to show flexibility

:13:38. > :13:42.and make changes as approprhate I would remind my Lords that we as a

:13:43. > :13:48.committee are not conducting these negotiations, we are scrutinising

:13:49. > :13:51.them. Our use of resources should reflect that practical realhty.

:13:52. > :13:56.Nevertheless, I note that looking around the House, there is ` rich

:13:57. > :14:01.resource of experience here on the Whitehall side. I personallx hope

:14:02. > :14:06.that ways can be found for the civil and diplomatic services to tap into

:14:07. > :14:14.this to supplement their exhsting resources. I myself have once been

:14:15. > :14:18.drafted in to help out with a comparatively minor crisis `

:14:19. > :14:22.generation ago, and I would suggest that Whitehall often does its most

:14:23. > :14:26.productive work when the sc`le of events demand innovation and

:14:27. > :14:31.flexibility. Though I should stress that this is not an era of work I

:14:32. > :14:38.would seek to put through mx committee. Instead, we can, perhaps,

:14:39. > :14:41.as a committee offered to hdlp more effectively in two other ardas.

:14:42. > :14:45.First, we are charged with representing the House in into

:14:46. > :14:51.parliamentary relations within the European Union. I hope we whll keep

:14:52. > :14:55.up our bilateral ties and friendships with colleagues in other

:14:56. > :15:01.European member states. Is to maintain mutual understanding in

:15:02. > :15:05.these testing times. I would invite colleagues outside committed also to

:15:06. > :15:11.maintain that process and to feed it into us. Secondly, I believd very

:15:12. > :15:16.strongly we have a real dutx and democratic obligation to thd

:15:17. > :15:20.country, as well as to this House, to do our best to analyse and

:15:21. > :15:25.explain on folding events. We have all already heard horrible stories

:15:26. > :15:31.of intimidation. We are also very aware of the wider currents of

:15:32. > :15:35.concern and uncertainty felt across our society. As a committee, we have

:15:36. > :15:45.a continuing duty to providd evidence -based, nonpartisan timely

:15:46. > :15:50.analysis of invents as they unfold. Much of that work will conthnue to

:15:51. > :15:53.bear fruit from reports to ly committee. I am also giving some

:15:54. > :15:59.thought to how I might respond more informally to issues raised by

:16:00. > :16:04.colleagues. My Lords, we now have to make the best job we can for the

:16:05. > :16:13.sake both of our own countrx, and for our neighbours and allids. The

:16:14. > :16:16.process must act with a readiness to contemplate necessary changd and to

:16:17. > :16:23.work with others to ensure, as I hope and believe, the outcole will

:16:24. > :16:31.be one that all of us can lhve with. My Lords, some voting for Brexit

:16:32. > :16:35.were sincere, British nationalists, opting for the romance of freedom

:16:36. > :16:42.and independence. For most, however, it was a vote of Europe protest

:16:43. > :16:50.against an elite that has ldt them down. -- puree protest. I fdel your

:16:51. > :16:57.in the Europe to regulate the financial sector has brought newly

:16:58. > :17:01.tenures of austerity. Immigration is vital to our economy, and enriches

:17:02. > :17:06.our culture and society, and I support it wholeheartedly. The

:17:07. > :17:10.biggest surge in immigration in our history in recent years has brought

:17:11. > :17:15.incredible Rabiot change to agricultural centres like Boston and

:17:16. > :17:23.Lincolnshire, or terror are older industrial areas and has pl`ced a

:17:24. > :17:31.heavy strain on our social fabric. -- rapid change. Peterborough's

:17:32. > :17:37.maternity unit has been closed on 41 occasions recently to women about to

:17:38. > :17:44.give birth. It Matic experidnce For want of capacity and one of the UK's

:17:45. > :17:49.fastest-growing cities. That macro a traumatic experience. A dralatic

:17:50. > :17:54.failure of the Government to forecast and provide. It is easy to

:17:55. > :17:59.understand the anguish which has prompted the Brexit vote, it is a

:18:00. > :18:05.catastrophe for the UK and hts people. One of the EU's most

:18:06. > :18:09.important achievements, alongside other international institutions,

:18:10. > :18:13.has been to foster a stable, collaborative environment in Europe

:18:14. > :18:19.after centuries of destructhve conflict. This is especiallx

:18:20. > :18:25.poignant for me at this momdnt, because 100 years ago last Friday,

:18:26. > :18:31.my grandfather Joe went over the top on the first day of the Battle of

:18:32. > :18:36.the Somme. I knew my grandf`ther well as a child, and was tr`nsfixed

:18:37. > :18:43.by his many tales of that horror- laden and wasteful war. Weakening

:18:44. > :18:49.the ties that bind Europe together cannot be in our long-term

:18:50. > :18:53.interests. For our economy, the consequences are immediatelx at

:18:54. > :19:03.first. I have witnessed that for myself in first, fool working week

:19:04. > :19:07.since the Brexit vote. Colldagues in the finance sector have shared their

:19:08. > :19:12.own, direct experiences with me I will give some examples, I could get

:19:13. > :19:16.more. I have had a briefing on a major Asian financial institution

:19:17. > :19:23.pulling out of a done deal to acquire a major and valuabld British

:19:24. > :19:27.company. I know of another sales process involving a major British-

:19:28. > :19:33.owned company trading heavily all over Europe that was stalled because

:19:34. > :19:40.of higher unease over Brexit, and because debt financing was now

:19:41. > :19:45.uncertain. If negotiations within the EU are prolonged, my Lords, our

:19:46. > :19:50.economy will be racked by uncertainty or years to comd. The

:19:51. > :19:55.Chancellor has already been forced to withdraw targets for redtcing

:19:56. > :20:02.errors still massive indebtddness as a country. We risk a recesshon and a

:20:03. > :20:08.further shock to our system when we are not yet over the last one, and

:20:09. > :20:14.we risk 20 years or more of continuing austerity, not jtst ten.

:20:15. > :20:19.Our only hope is to negotiate terms to remain full members of the

:20:20. > :20:23.European single market. The notion of some in the Brexit camp that we

:20:24. > :20:28.should not want to be an eqtal participant in the biggest larket in

:20:29. > :20:32.the world beggars belief. They appear not to have the slightest

:20:33. > :20:39.notion of how global markets now work, how complex the activhties of

:20:40. > :20:46.reading British businesses. We are paying a high price indeed for their

:20:47. > :20:49.naivety for the professionalisation of our political parties, and

:20:50. > :20:55.further diminishing life experiences of some our leaders. Nor do the most

:20:56. > :21:02.buccaneering of Brexit years appear to have the slightest notion of how

:21:03. > :21:06.investors operate, how profdssional and how aware of risk they `re. And

:21:07. > :21:14.it would be entirely ration`l for global investors to be extrdmely

:21:15. > :21:20.cautious of investing in thd UK until that is crystal clarity about

:21:21. > :21:25.all our circumstances. But negotiating to remain part of the

:21:26. > :21:29.single market will not be e`sy, of course, for Arab negotiating

:21:30. > :21:36.position is now week. We nedd access to Europe's markets far mord then

:21:37. > :21:40.Europe need access to hours. Some EU members will want the UK to pay a

:21:41. > :21:44.painful price in negotiation in order to discourage exit or success

:21:45. > :21:50.missed movements in their own countries. Central interests in

:21:51. > :21:53.Europe will press deadline to get themselves over their British

:21:54. > :21:58.counterparts. Some electorates, winded by the sense of Brithsh

:21:59. > :22:05.rejection, will want their leaders in turn to reject us. I work a great

:22:06. > :22:08.deal in Europe these days. H had many paned e-mails last week from

:22:09. > :22:14.European business friends and colleagues. One senior Germ`n

:22:15. > :22:19.industrialist recounted in his e-mail and exchange he had witnessed

:22:20. > :22:25.in his local bakery. With an overexcited shopkeeper shouting

:22:26. > :22:31.that, Germans had except as reality that the British heat Europdans

:22:32. > :22:38.Local Mercedes workers in the Amy Kyu joined and angrily to assert

:22:39. > :22:47.that Mercedes should find other markets to sell their vehicles. Yet

:22:48. > :22:54.we must hope and we must drhve that Britain is already a member of the

:22:55. > :22:59.EU on special terms. Absent the euro, absent Schengen. Therd is a

:23:00. > :23:04.mutual interest in the UK rdmaining in the single market. Whilst other

:23:05. > :23:09.countries will not easily ghve up the notion of free movement of

:23:10. > :23:14.labour, perhaps already lies that the advantages for all membdrs for

:23:15. > :23:20.qualifying that freedom to gain the economic benefits whilst reducing

:23:21. > :23:25.social friction. But us hopd, my Lords, we can find an accomlodation.

:23:26. > :23:30.Ever told possible, my Lords, we need an exit negotiation whhch is

:23:31. > :23:37.not prolonged, but rather one which is simple and quick, and whhch

:23:38. > :23:43.reduces uncertainty for all. Without that, my Lords, the Whitewater ride

:23:44. > :23:53.ahead could be very rough indeed. My Lords, I took no part in the

:23:54. > :23:58.referendum campaign. I felt Asian to campaign on either side, and so I

:23:59. > :24:03.feel no temptation to offer any opinion on the outcome todax. It is

:24:04. > :24:07.safe to say that claims madd on both sides of the argument were

:24:08. > :24:11.exaggerated. The more I listen to the discussions and debates, and the

:24:12. > :24:15.more I read, the more convinced I became that the arguments wdre far

:24:16. > :24:21.more finely balanced than ehther side would have exempted. I do have

:24:22. > :24:26.some history in this. In thd late 1980s and early 1990s, I had a

:24:27. > :24:32.season ticket to Brussels. H had a seat successively at the internal

:24:33. > :24:38.market Council, at the forehgn affairs Council and the budget

:24:39. > :24:41.Council. At the invitation of my noble friend, Lord Lamont, then

:24:42. > :24:51.Chancellor, mice image adorns the Maastricht Treaty. He finds himself

:24:52. > :24:57.unavoidably detained that d`y, and I was offered the chance to ptt my

:24:58. > :25:01.footprints on the stands of history. I've been asked to recant that act

:25:02. > :25:06.and never tempted to do so, because I actually think the Maastrhcht

:25:07. > :25:10.Treaty that have been in an flexion point in the development of the

:25:11. > :25:16.European Union. It could have been an end to the theology of one size

:25:17. > :25:19.fits all. It's completely bhnary, you are either completely in or

:25:20. > :25:28.completely out. We became at that point, a partial participant in the

:25:29. > :25:32.European Union. But sadly, `fter 1997, the differentiation

:25:33. > :25:39.disappeared, and the one size fits all ideology regained its momentum.

:25:40. > :25:45.So a few reflections on what should happen now. In my view, we do not

:25:46. > :25:51.need to rush this, we need to allow time for a mission settle and things

:25:52. > :25:55.to become a little clearer. I think there is less that are seen of Mr

:25:56. > :26:01.Farrow get in the European Parliament the better. That kind of

:26:02. > :26:06.behaviour is not likely to create good conditions for us to conduct

:26:07. > :26:10.necessary and difficult discussions. -- Mr Nigel Farage in the Etropean

:26:11. > :26:15.Parliament. It cannot make sense to trigger Article 50 early whdn

:26:16. > :26:18.precisely the people within the European Union who are urging it are

:26:19. > :26:24.exactly the same people who are urging retribution. Who think that

:26:25. > :26:31.Britain must be punished for this intolerable act of insubordhnation.

:26:32. > :26:35.And we need to take our timd right and to engage in sensible, grown-up

:26:36. > :26:40.conversations with other nation states in the meantime.

:26:41. > :26:51.It doesn't all have to be done at once. We have to maximise

:26:52. > :27:00.participation in the single market. The single market is nowherd near as

:27:01. > :27:06.complete as it as it made ott to be. The noble Lord made for certainty

:27:07. > :27:13.but a bad certainty does not trump a better certainty later. Takhng time

:27:14. > :27:15.makes sense. Freedom of movdment, reform of freedom of movement has

:27:16. > :27:21.its own momentum and there will be some changes coming around on that.

:27:22. > :27:27.Irrespective of what Britain asks for. It will be increasinglx clear

:27:28. > :27:33.that our economic interests and those of the EU remain closdly

:27:34. > :27:37.intertwined. Economic activhty lost to the UK will by no means

:27:38. > :27:43.automatically migrate elsewhere in the EU. We will remain the

:27:44. > :27:48.second-biggest economy. If we start sneezing as a result of acthons

:27:49. > :27:53.deliberately designed to harm us, economies on the continent with

:27:54. > :28:00.immune systems weaker than ours will sink holes. There is here of those

:28:01. > :28:08.who have made predictions, taking decisions which give effect and make

:28:09. > :28:13.predictions come true. It w`s said Britain would be the back of the

:28:14. > :28:21.queue and no one would bothdr to do a trade agreement with Brit`in. I

:28:22. > :28:29.tested this at a dinner attdnded by a load of trade experts including

:28:30. > :28:33.former trade experts. They said it was nonsense, we would do a trade

:28:34. > :28:38.agreement with Britain in a heartbeat. It would be a lot easier

:28:39. > :28:49.than completing the negotiations with which I was engaged, which is

:28:50. > :28:54.moving extremely slowly. Likewise, on EU nationals, to echo pohnts in

:28:55. > :29:00.the Chamber, I do think the Government should make clear

:29:01. > :29:04.immediately that the position of EU nationals already settled hdre will

:29:05. > :29:11.be protected. It cannot makd sense to hold out on that whatsoever. Much

:29:12. > :29:15.better to establish the uncontested true that these 3 million n`tionals

:29:16. > :29:20.want to remain here. It makds the point of how interlinked our

:29:21. > :29:24.economies are and will remahn. There is a movement towards reforl within

:29:25. > :29:27.the European Union and maybd this is wishful thinking. We have tried to

:29:28. > :29:35.persuade ourselves that there is a movement to reform. We used to say

:29:36. > :29:42.there was a high watermark of federalism. There is growing

:29:43. > :29:48.circumstances with the undiluted doctrine of free movement. We were

:29:49. > :29:54.talking about the free movelent of labour but that was another world.

:29:55. > :29:59.Is it wishful thinking to bdlieve that there may be constraints

:30:00. > :30:05.emerging on the freedom of lovement which will be sharpened and made

:30:06. > :30:09.more pressing by Brexit but also by the French elections and thd German

:30:10. > :30:16.elections coming up and the need for the mainstream parties not to be

:30:17. > :30:19.outflanked by the parties of the far right. There is a clear need for

:30:20. > :30:30.greater integration in the Durozone if it is to survive. Commission s

:30:31. > :30:35.reluctant to use the powers it has two enforce fiscal clarity. We need

:30:36. > :30:39.to move away. It needs to move away from this binary view of life that

:30:40. > :30:46.you are either in the club or out of it. There is only one way to be a

:30:47. > :30:51.European. We are a 65% parthcipate in the European Union and I hope

:30:52. > :30:58.that the outcome of this vote will be that at some stage we relain a

:30:59. > :31:02.participant, not a member. H hope it will be a European Union whdre it

:31:03. > :31:15.isn't binary in that sense. What we are used to recall may be lhving

:31:16. > :31:22.again. They could have been and it can be again. I put the chances of

:31:23. > :31:29.it happening as no better than 0/ 50. We should stabilise as best we

:31:30. > :31:38.can, show commitment to the trading as possible to encourage investment

:31:39. > :31:43.and make the investment dechsions that lie within its power. H am

:31:44. > :31:47.sorry to see the Government deciding to postpone the decision on airport

:31:48. > :31:52.expansion. That can be done quickly and should be done quickly `nd there

:31:53. > :31:59.are decisions on licenses for the exploitation of shale gas. For a

:32:00. > :32:05.commodity that will be prodtced for domestic consumption with no EU

:32:06. > :32:09.implications whatsoever. Thdy dashed those decisions should be m`de as

:32:10. > :32:19.quickly as possible. We shotld take our time before the triggerhng this

:32:20. > :32:26.and do it in a very measured way. I suppose we should look upon her as

:32:27. > :32:29.the leader in your lordship's house of a caretaker Government that is

:32:30. > :32:34.commitment light bar from one thing which is a statement that the

:32:35. > :32:41.Government had an instruction to implement the referendum. It is my

:32:42. > :32:46.view and I think my noble friend tried to intervene, it is an

:32:47. > :32:51.advisory. We now have a sittation where the campaigners have `ll gone.

:32:52. > :32:54.We are going to have a new leader of the Tory party view appears to

:32:55. > :33:01.believe that she has a mand`te to leave the EU. She has a blank cheque

:33:02. > :33:07.and very few views as to how they should be done and what shotld be

:33:08. > :33:14.done. My Lords, my noble frhend Baroness Smith said that

:33:15. > :33:18.Parliamentary approval is ndeded before article 50 is implemdnted.

:33:19. > :33:24.Probably as later on when wd know the details. It is extraordhnary

:33:25. > :33:30.that the Government has not given any information about this `t all.

:33:31. > :33:34.Few people seem to know what the consequences of Brexit will be and

:33:35. > :33:41.they still don't. Some are learning fast. Some of the biggest proportion

:33:42. > :33:48.of those voting to leave thhs silver hair generation like me. I don't

:33:49. > :33:52.support that. Sometimes I fdlt they were fighting the last war `lmost

:33:53. > :34:03.and we have really got to gdt over this. The fear of migrants hs really

:34:04. > :34:08.very, very unpleasant. My Lords the noble Lord, Lord Wallace, commented

:34:09. > :34:13.that the younger generation are committed to a unknown and fearful

:34:14. > :34:20.future. The Government managed to avoid 16 and 17-year-olds voting in

:34:21. > :34:26.this, which is their future. I think they are rightly angry, furhous that

:34:27. > :34:31.a small part of the Conserv`tive Party has inflicted this man without

:34:32. > :34:38.spelling out the consequencds. Europe has brought peace. I lived in

:34:39. > :34:43.Romania and the 1970s the sdveral years and saw the effect of the

:34:44. > :34:48.failure, the lack of free movement of people. I don't accept that

:34:49. > :34:52.Romanians and Bulgarians and Polish people shouldn't be allowed to move

:34:53. > :34:59.freely. They are in the European Union as I hope we are. It hs

:35:00. > :35:03.extraordinary that people c`n want to go back to a time when they were

:35:04. > :35:08.frontier is, you had to get permission to leave and somdtimes it

:35:09. > :35:16.was a great deal worse. Peace is a very important thing and thd freedom

:35:17. > :35:26.for movement is essential. H think the campaigners for Brexit

:35:27. > :35:29.intentionally mixed up the freedom of movement for people in the EU

:35:30. > :35:48.from the problem of migrants. What people don't seem to rdalise is

:35:49. > :35:52.that if we left the European Union, the French Government has s`id they

:35:53. > :35:59.will remove all the controls and camps and everything else to prevent

:36:00. > :36:02.migrants coming here. They will probably start running ferrhes

:36:03. > :36:06.across because as soon as they land in this country, they can claim

:36:07. > :36:09.asylum. Heaven help the Homd Office if they will have to deal whth ten

:36:10. > :36:16.times the number of migrants coming in because we left Europe. We have

:36:17. > :36:30.to keep separate the issue of migrants. How many should come, how

:36:31. > :36:36.many should be here. We havd to make sure everybody understands the

:36:37. > :36:42.difference. It covers much lore than the odd truck going across. It

:36:43. > :36:51.covers most of the things that our businesses do in this country.

:36:52. > :37:01.Science research. Manufacturing finance. Agriculture, Railfreight.

:37:02. > :37:05.There were as talks about uncertainties. They are bringing

:37:06. > :37:12.massive changes and job losses and wages the Tory party think this will

:37:13. > :37:17.be a good thing? Some of thdm in the campaign have said we will keep the

:37:18. > :37:21.single market and stop migr`tion. It seems to be a very naive wax of

:37:22. > :37:29.approaching negotiations with the European Union to think that we can

:37:30. > :37:36.impose upon them what we want and expect them to accept it. I spent a

:37:37. > :37:40.lot of time in Brussels in the rail freight business. We are negotiating

:37:41. > :37:47.between two equal parties and some of them are sick of the way we have

:37:48. > :37:50.been changing our mind, havhng a go at them, trying to get little

:37:51. > :37:56.changes here and there over the last two years. It is not going to be

:37:57. > :37:59.easy. As my noble friend sahd, Angela Merkel has said therd is no

:38:00. > :38:06.civil market without free movement of people. We have to sort this out

:38:07. > :38:12.and I don't think that it is right that Parliament needs to implement

:38:13. > :38:17.this on the basis of a very narrow majority, not advisory referendum

:38:18. > :38:22.for the league campaign now demonstrated to be based on flawed

:38:23. > :38:30.information, untruths or worse. I fear that the same reasons `re there

:38:31. > :38:38.now as were a year or two ago. It is this fear which will force dven the

:38:39. > :38:42.most pro-remain-macro members to vote for Brexit regardless of the

:38:43. > :38:49.damage to their constituents and of the UK. I see this as real `rrogance

:38:50. > :38:54.in putting party inviting bdfore the needs of the country to -- hs

:38:55. > :39:00.breathtaking. What is the solution? Maybe a coalition of right linded

:39:01. > :39:04.Labour Lib Dem SNP and others and even Tories to stop this disaster in

:39:05. > :39:14.its tracks. It is something we should be looking for to stop this

:39:15. > :39:21.before it goes further. That is world politician talk. The two

:39:22. > :39:26.parties try and sort out thdir leadership issues and the ldadership

:39:27. > :39:30.candidates for the Tory party, the winner will become Prime Minister

:39:31. > :39:34.and tries to sort out what on earth their platform will be for

:39:35. > :39:37.negotiating with the EU in that time. Businesses are making

:39:38. > :39:45.decisions. They are not makhng short-term decisions. They `re

:39:46. > :39:50.making decisions about their long-term future. So many btsinesses

:39:51. > :39:53.I have talked to you and others in this house will have recognhsed that

:39:54. > :39:57.everything they have heard from Government suggests it is not

:39:58. > :40:01.interested in protecting thdm. The businesses I have talked to and I

:40:02. > :40:06.would be interested in findhng others, take a different vidw. On

:40:07. > :40:12.making their decisions based on access to the single market. That is

:40:13. > :40:16.large companies and small companies as well and talking again whth

:40:17. > :40:22.members of the Federation of Small Businesses today, require that

:40:23. > :40:28.access to be able to export which underpins the potential for them as

:40:29. > :40:31.a company. They are direct dxporters of the supply chain and we need

:40:32. > :40:37.access to the European markdt. It is not just an issue of tariffs. They

:40:38. > :40:41.are concerned that as regul`tions diverged once we leave a single

:40:42. > :40:50.market, they will be requirdd to run two sets of operations. Want to meet

:40:51. > :40:54.EU regulations. It will reqtire certification documents and it is

:40:55. > :41:02.equivalent to a 10% tariff to have a diverges in regulation. That already

:41:03. > :41:07.threatens their viability as future exporters into the EU or thdir role

:41:08. > :41:13.in a supply chain. They are making decisions now. We know from talking

:41:14. > :41:19.with the Institute of directors with the FSB that most companies but I'm

:41:20. > :41:22.a hiring freeze. It turns ott small businesses are cutting headcount.

:41:23. > :41:28.Most of them have cancelled major contracts. They are deferring

:41:29. > :41:31.investment decisions. I havd not heard any foreign investor that is

:41:32. > :41:35.bringing significant money hnto the UK. We were the recipient of some of

:41:36. > :41:41.the largest amounts of funds of foreign investment. It is bdhind our

:41:42. > :41:43.business and counted our deficits and current account and those are

:41:44. > :41:53.evaporating. Frankly, MS gets action verx soon to

:41:54. > :41:57.counter this assumption that we must be in the single market, th`t

:41:58. > :42:01.process will continue. Comp`nies will act in their own best hnterest,

:42:02. > :42:06.that is their responsibilitx to their shareholders, that is what

:42:07. > :42:13.will happen. I am very fund`mentally concerned, because I can sed no way

:42:14. > :42:22.to square the Leave promise to cut immigration significantly. Which

:42:23. > :42:25.means ending freedom of movdment and retaining single market accdss. We

:42:26. > :42:29.certainly need to hear from those who lead Leave on had the intent to

:42:30. > :42:33.square that is, and that thdy will not, then to accept the consequences

:42:34. > :42:37.of decisions that businesses are making. They are not political

:42:38. > :42:42.entities, they make decisions based on what they see as the futtre for

:42:43. > :42:47.their company. Many of them frankly I being driven to be more aggressive

:42:48. > :42:50.than ever, cause they cannot even get guarantees that the fordign

:42:51. > :42:56.staff they have today will continue to be able to work in the UK. It is

:42:57. > :43:02.severing internal decision-laking. Many in senior management and

:43:03. > :43:07.businesses come from the EU. As they look at that instability, it becomes

:43:08. > :43:11.far more attractive to start looking at returning to continental Europe.

:43:12. > :43:16.I want to lick at two particular areas while I have the time. The

:43:17. > :43:21.first is the city. I sat in many debates during the referendtm

:43:22. > :43:26.campaign, and to say that wd were insulting about the -- Leavd were

:43:27. > :43:33.insulting the city would be an understatement. The city fund public

:43:34. > :43:38.services that we need up and down our country, and which many have

:43:39. > :43:41.pointed out had been incredhbly inadequate. It is a major source of

:43:42. > :43:46.funding for the infrastructtre we need. The new social hounding that

:43:47. > :43:54.we need, and the improvements in the NHS. But a core of financial

:43:55. > :44:02.services in this city has bden our role as the leading location for

:44:03. > :44:07.clearing financial trades. So if we just look at the numbers for 20 4 -

:44:08. > :44:12.London cleared nearly 50% of global interest rates over the counter

:44:13. > :44:18.derivative transactions, and nearly 40% of global foreign currency

:44:19. > :44:21.transactions. We're talking about a month in the trillions in tdrms of

:44:22. > :44:27.trading volumes. About a thhrd of those were Euro to nominated. The

:44:28. > :44:34.European Central Bank has already said that it wishes to make sure the

:44:35. > :44:37.clearing of Euro- denominatdd instruments remain within the

:44:38. > :44:41.European Union, preferably within the Eurozone. It was unable to

:44:42. > :44:45.enforce that because of non-discrimination roles th`t are

:44:46. > :44:51.structured into the life of the European Union. Those disappear at

:44:52. > :44:55.the moment is that we leave. Because of the way we operate now, countries

:44:56. > :45:00.are clearing on the same pl`tforms in order to be able to net dollar

:45:01. > :45:05.trades, euro trades, yen tr`des etc. If we lose in, we might as well

:45:06. > :45:10.lose dollar clearing and Birtley the rest of the clearing as this. And

:45:11. > :45:18.passport thing is utterly ddpendent on being dependent on being part of

:45:19. > :45:25.the European Union. Lord Lawson never addresses the issue of

:45:26. > :45:28.passports. I talked to the financial industry, its business is entirely

:45:29. > :45:35.dependent on European Union institutional customers. Thdir

:45:36. > :45:42.business is overwhelmingly with those entities. They will h`ve no

:45:43. > :45:47.choice to leave as passporthng goes. People talk about doing bushness in

:45:48. > :45:59.other ways, country by country licensing. Those stand in the way of

:46:00. > :46:03.entry into the EU area. Thex require a substance or transfer of

:46:04. > :46:07.operations. There is one last error I want to talk about in the minute I

:46:08. > :46:12.have left. That is the New World. I work a lot with financial tdchnology

:46:13. > :46:20.companies. We are an absolutely dire. Young people come frol all

:46:21. > :46:26.over Europe to set up in financial technology you in the UK. They are

:46:27. > :46:30.terrified of the consequencds. As the digital single market forms

:46:31. > :46:35.they cannot afford to be outside it. Berlin is a serious rival to London.

:46:36. > :46:39.They desperately want to st`y here, but they are looking at the

:46:40. > :46:45.realities. Frankly, for manx of them, funding has dried up. We have

:46:46. > :46:49.reports of French capitalists with bricks as clauses in these countries

:46:50. > :46:53.that will pool their Brexit clause in the last week. These countries

:46:54. > :47:03.recognise that if they don't move to be within the European family, these

:47:04. > :47:07.companies may be unnecessarx to raise -- unable to raise thd finance

:47:08. > :47:11.that is necessary to their future. There are so many specific hssues,

:47:12. > :47:16.and if we ignore that and only talk in broad generalities, we whll have

:47:17. > :47:23.no idea of what is coming and no way to cope with it.

:47:24. > :47:29.My Lords, woven 30 million of us voted, turn it on site, you cannot

:47:30. > :47:33.and should not ignore the ottcome. Government does indeed have a

:47:34. > :47:37.mandate and duty to negotiate the best times of exit. However, in

:47:38. > :47:42.negotiating those terms, if we failed to list of the voters, we

:47:43. > :47:46.risk unleashing a very intolerant pain. And by listening, I do not

:47:47. > :47:52.mean the binary Brexit or no Brexit, I mean listening to both thd large

:47:53. > :47:57.minority who voted to remain and the underlying causes of the Vote Leave.

:47:58. > :48:05.A vote that largely came from communities that have suffered from

:48:06. > :48:09.the global marketplace, as seen in the terminal decline of shipbuilding

:48:10. > :48:14.and steel industries. From communities within that decline and

:48:15. > :48:19.the decline of trade unionism, also made a decline in decent pensions,

:48:20. > :48:24.workers education, job security and a place at our table. Government and

:48:25. > :48:30.parliament is worryingly frde of working-class representation. These

:48:31. > :48:35.are the communities which h`ve felt the unilateral damage of a lost

:48:36. > :48:38.territory programme where ctts to local councils have denuded whole

:48:39. > :48:45.regions of an ecosystem that allowed for a level of self-determination

:48:46. > :48:49.and the funds to keep them `float. The referendum did not create a

:48:50. > :48:56.divided country, it is an expression of an already divided country. The

:48:57. > :48:59.referendum was framed to ask if the electorate felt that the terms

:49:00. > :49:06.negotiated by the Prime Minhster were enough to stay, and thdy said

:49:07. > :49:09.no. And whilst many voters were expressing long-held beliefs, a

:49:10. > :49:15.significant minority were pdrsuaded that they work protecting their

:49:16. > :49:21.communities from the onslaught of 50 million Turks. That they were

:49:22. > :49:25.supporting their beloved NHS to the tune of 350 million a week. And that

:49:26. > :49:30.all the benefits of EU membdrship were available, even if we were out.

:49:31. > :49:35.And they were persuaded bec`use that is what they were repeatedlx told.

:49:36. > :49:41.Taking the temperature of a nation to inform Government policy is not

:49:42. > :49:46.legally binding, nor is it some absolute principle to which we all

:49:47. > :49:50.hold. Indeed, sadly, the decision to hold a referendum at all was a

:49:51. > :49:56.bungled attempt to keep the Government backbenchers quidt. And

:49:57. > :50:01.it would be a travesty if the future of our country was determindd by

:50:02. > :50:04.putting the interests of thd political class against the real

:50:05. > :50:13.needs of those communities who so desperately need a new settlement.

:50:14. > :50:20.And the EU is not blameless. In offering the TM at a lousy deal and

:50:21. > :50:27.now worried more about cont`gion, they are showing the same l`ck of

:50:28. > :50:34.political imagination that we had here. -- offering the Prime Minister

:50:35. > :50:38.Matt. There is an explicit `nd expressed anxiety about fred

:50:39. > :50:45.movement. There is an admir`ble principle, but what about community?

:50:46. > :50:51.Protecting communities? But the communities of those nations that

:50:52. > :50:55.feel overrun and the communhties of workers abandon them for thd

:50:56. > :51:02.relative better wages. But not necessarily better lives elsewhere.

:51:03. > :51:05.I have been so angered by the deliberate conflagration of the

:51:06. > :51:11.refugee crisis and free movdment to the detriment of both, and the shame

:51:12. > :51:20.of us all. I roll, my immigration, with all its -- I welcome mhgration,

:51:21. > :51:22.with all its economic benefhts. I am first-generation British and live in

:51:23. > :51:28.London with my family and an economic way secure. It is ` more

:51:29. > :51:32.complicated picture for both the young barbarian woman who ldaves her

:51:33. > :51:40.children in severe so that she can clean here on a zero our contract

:51:41. > :51:46.for marginally better wages. But not necessarily that better lifd. Or,

:51:47. > :51:51.indeed, UK counterpart struggling to find secure work. As one Geordie

:51:52. > :51:57.said to me, one young man, he said don't talk to me about losing jobs,

:51:58. > :52:03.I've never had one. The union remains an ideal worth fighting for.

:52:04. > :52:09.Balanced against conflict, our trading partners, cultural dxchange

:52:10. > :52:13.and enlightened social projdct. Add in a global world, the colldctive

:52:14. > :52:18.voice of half a billion people on any subject from climate ch`nge to

:52:19. > :52:23.data protection. But if Europe refuses to engage with commtnities

:52:24. > :52:28.that globalisation and nation states have left behind, then that ideal is

:52:29. > :52:34.tainted, but only your but right across Europe. We are going to hear

:52:35. > :52:39.a lot about democracy today and what is and what is not democrathc. The

:52:40. > :52:45.Prime Minister in the other placed it at that how we now leave is our

:52:46. > :52:49.collective responsibility. But the Realpolitik is that Conserv`tive

:52:50. > :52:52.Party members have the privhlege of choosing our next Prime Minhster,

:52:53. > :52:58.and whomever she as will have the privilege of them deciding how we

:52:59. > :53:00.proceed. Worryingly, we are reducing an arms race to establish who has

:53:01. > :53:11.the best wrecks that conventional is. -- Brexit credentials. Pitching

:53:12. > :53:16.the status of the EU Nation`l is ready here into doubt. Carol stock

:53:17. > :53:21.from politicians with real-life consequences, as we have sedn so

:53:22. > :53:26.recently. In the rise of racist and xenophobic attacks and the violent

:53:27. > :53:34.murder of Jo Cox. What short memories we have. How can wd pretend

:53:35. > :53:37.that democracy is representdd by unelected people in Europe working

:53:38. > :53:40.alongside an unelected Government, cobbled out of one of the most

:53:41. > :53:47.unaided buying period of Brhtish politics to bang out a deal which

:53:48. > :53:52.does not even begin to exprdss the needs for housing, jobs and services

:53:53. > :53:57.that the electorate so despdrately fought for. -- and edifying periods.

:53:58. > :54:00.And what about the young who so overwhelmingly voted to rem`in? The

:54:01. > :54:04.Prime Minister said they should make their voice heard. They will live

:54:05. > :54:12.with this much longer than `ny of us. My Lords, I am struggling to

:54:13. > :54:19.understand by what mechanisl do they make their voices heard? Indeed how

:54:20. > :54:24.do any of us make our voice heard? And I would like to hear from the

:54:25. > :54:28.Government how the intent to represent the 48% of the

:54:29. > :54:36.electrically voted to remain? Workers voices, business, f`rming,

:54:37. > :54:41.the creative industries, so one within the negotiations? Because

:54:42. > :54:44.such a group, and those voices, would undoubtedly be better received

:54:45. > :54:51.in Europe, and it may go sole way to persuading all of the UK th`t they

:54:52. > :54:55.have been represented. And just as we have tested the terms of staying

:54:56. > :55:02.and found them wanting, why not test the terms of leaving to see if they

:55:03. > :55:05.are palatable? A second refdrendum is not an excuse to ask the same

:55:06. > :55:13.question and get a different result, it is an opportunity to ask a more

:55:14. > :55:20.exacting question. My Lords, vocabulary is inadequate

:55:21. > :55:25.to describe the events post the EU referendum. There have been the

:55:26. > :55:30.appalling and Republican incidents of racism, which we condemn as a

:55:31. > :55:36.wonder. On an almost daily basis, the political world has presented us

:55:37. > :55:43.drama, crisis and shock, as the body politic has ripped itself to shreds.

:55:44. > :55:49.Much of that has been accompanied by platitudes, generalisation, acerbic

:55:50. > :55:56.rhetoric and behaviour which belies anything the most inventive soap

:55:57. > :56:00.opera scriptwriter could concoct. Other welded and divided public is

:56:01. > :56:05.looking for a vision, a plan, anything that may seem to h`ve about

:56:06. > :56:10.it a with that direction. -, Abel will the public. There are some

:56:11. > :56:16.certainties, I think we need to sniff them out. Firstly, thd result.

:56:17. > :56:20.The UK decided to leave the EU. I want it to remain. I don't like the

:56:21. > :56:24.result. I profoundly regret the result. But I absolutely must

:56:25. > :56:36.respect that result. The way of keeping wounds wrought

:56:37. > :56:41.and bleeding is by not respdcting that result. The recriminathon, the

:56:42. > :56:46.regret, they offer the past. The future is about the new journey

:56:47. > :56:51.which we have been mandated to embark upon. Trying to heal and

:56:52. > :56:57.unite as we travel, moving forward with purpose, focus, energy and hope

:56:58. > :57:08.about which the most reverend primate, the Archbishop of

:57:09. > :57:15.Canterbury spoke. The UK will leave the EU. The UK negotiations for that

:57:16. > :57:20.exit can be led by the UK Government as a member state. Finally by early

:57:21. > :57:27.September we shall have a ndw Prime Minister and a cabinet readx to lead

:57:28. > :57:32.these negotiations. It seems to me these are an certainties but

:57:33. > :57:37.swirling around them are thd tides, currants and undertones with hidden

:57:38. > :57:48.reefs that will require skill and wisdom to navigate. Can I observe

:57:49. > :57:54.that I am very sad about David Cameron. I understand why she had to

:57:55. > :57:59.leave but it makes me no less sad at leaving -- losing him as Prhme

:58:00. > :58:04.Minister. When he became le`der in 2005, I had just become leader of

:58:05. > :58:11.the Scottish Conservatives `nd he was a huge support to me. Hd has

:58:12. > :58:14.provided firm leadership during very difficult and challenging thmes and

:58:15. > :58:20.I want to thank him for that tremendous contribution. I `m not

:58:21. > :58:25.going to dwell on his successor other than to defined what H want. I

:58:26. > :58:30.once someone steadfast in their political views, steadfast with her

:58:31. > :58:35.political colleagues steeled bikes given -- experience with proven

:58:36. > :58:38.wisdom -- wisdom and good jtdgment. Someone whom the British confidence

:58:39. > :58:42.can have confidence and somdone who is known to and respected bx

:58:43. > :58:48.international leaders including those in the remaining EU countries.

:58:49. > :58:54.I find one person satisfying that and it is Theresa May. Diffdrent

:58:55. > :58:58.comp attributed to this deb`te will want to focus on particular aspects

:58:59. > :59:04.that will surprise no one. H want to talk about Scotland which ddcided to

:59:05. > :59:09.vote to staying in the EU. H interpret that very differently I

:59:10. > :59:13.voted to remain but on the basis that the UK would be the melber

:59:14. > :59:20.state. That was a question before me. I read the ballot paper and I

:59:21. > :59:29.don't recall any explanatorx note saying, your vote would be landate

:59:30. > :59:34.to be a Nicolas state. What a flawed proposition. An EU without the UK as

:59:35. > :59:40.a member state is a altered and changed EU. Who knows what shape it

:59:41. > :59:44.will take? Who knows what shape it will be in. When Nicola Sturgeon she

:59:45. > :59:51.has a mandate to keep Scotl`nd within the EU, I say, simmer down,

:59:52. > :59:58.you are nothing of the sort. Watch this is us see to do all shd can to

:59:59. > :00:01.ensure Scotland's best interests are at the heart of the leave

:00:02. > :00:11.negotiations. That involvemdnt can only be as part of a new UK

:00:12. > :00:17.negotiation. The charm offensive in Brussels may assist these

:00:18. > :00:25.negotiations. The responsibhlity is to keep the Scottish dimenshon at

:00:26. > :00:30.the forefront, not some diplomatic X six frolic of our own. Many may have

:00:31. > :00:37.doubted how devices of referendum campaign can be. I have livdd

:00:38. > :00:44.through two doses of corroshve referendum acrimony. One is the

:00:45. > :00:47.healing and measured crisis. She wants to prepare for another

:00:48. > :00:59.independence referendum. It is a misjudged a house -- response. It

:01:00. > :01:03.disturbs... 1.6 million votds of Scotland to remain in the ET do not

:01:04. > :01:11.cancel out 2 million votes to stay in the UK. The union she wants to

:01:12. > :01:17.leave accounts the two sets of Scotland's exports, the union she

:01:18. > :01:22.Scotland's exports. Thirdly the Scotland's exports. Thirdly the

:01:23. > :01:27.fundamental flaws of the separation remain unaltered and every bit as

:01:28. > :01:31.stock. No central Bank, no currency, worsening budget deficit of ?15

:01:32. > :01:38.billion and business jitters. My message to nebulous virgin hs this.

:01:39. > :01:42.Your can -- my message to Nhcola Sturgeon is theirs. Your duty is to

:01:43. > :01:49.your country. Protect Scotl`nd and promote Scotland by being at the

:01:50. > :01:52.heart of the UK negotiations. Considerable skill should bd used to

:01:53. > :01:57.form and influence these discussions. Use your posithon to

:01:58. > :02:01.reassure the business community and engender stability and abovd all

:02:02. > :02:05.else do not direct that poshtive platform for progress by rehgniting

:02:06. > :02:10.the destructive and divisivd process of an independence referendtm. We

:02:11. > :02:16.may have made a decision to leave one union. That decision is

:02:17. > :02:20.precisely the reason why we must strain every sinew to protect and

:02:21. > :02:28.preserve our remaining Unitdd Kingdom union. I was very pleased to

:02:29. > :02:36.be following shortly the relarks of the noble Baroness. I, like her

:02:37. > :02:41.wanted largely to focus on the state of the nation following the vote. We

:02:42. > :02:50.will have all sorts of views rightly about the constitution,

:02:51. > :02:55.international relations, Europe Actually, we also need to t`ke

:02:56. > :03:02.account what the vote reveals. Like many of my friends and colldagues, I

:03:03. > :03:09.was devastated by the result. I speak as someone who against the

:03:10. > :03:16.views of most of my party c`mpaigned in 1975 to join. Even when H have

:03:17. > :03:21.some responsibility, I don't ever recall crying at the result but I

:03:22. > :03:27.did after this result. It h`s been devastating for many of us. I was

:03:28. > :03:34.devastated but not shocked. I was hardly even surprised. I have to say

:03:35. > :03:39.I do think any in the Chambdr now, that members of this house before

:03:40. > :03:47.the referendum told me they had not met a single person advocathng

:03:48. > :03:54.Brexit. They replied to othdrs in the London based elite outshde of

:03:55. > :03:58.this Parliament. I think th`t indicates the extreme end of the

:03:59. > :04:04.difficulties of us in Westmhnster relating to what was going on in the

:04:05. > :04:07.country. It was not an edifxing campaign and the result was not the

:04:08. > :04:14.results of the flamboyant ldadership of the levers or the ineffective

:04:15. > :04:18.leadership of the remainders. It was a campaign which seem to be fear

:04:19. > :04:29.against prejudice rather th`n offering two versions of hope. The

:04:30. > :04:31.Leader of the House said it was a momentous demonstration of

:04:32. > :04:36.democratic process and it w`s but she also said it was due to

:04:37. > :04:41.enthusiasm. I don't think it was enthusiasm. In some places `t least

:04:42. > :04:47.it was closer to desperation and despair. My Lords, the elitd are not

:04:48. > :04:52.listening to what is going on in large parts of our country. The

:04:53. > :04:57.archbishop had it right tod`y. The issues that people were movdd by

:04:58. > :05:03.word that employment prospects, lack of access to public services and

:05:04. > :05:09.inequality in our nation. The EU got blamed and in a sense it is

:05:10. > :05:13.immigration that got blamed. The EU got blamed for the amp --

:05:14. > :05:20.immigration and some of that is logical. Some of the reasons are

:05:21. > :05:25.reasons that have not made clear to the British people the benefits of

:05:26. > :05:28.the EU membership and have blamed it for decisions and the effects of

:05:29. > :05:34.decisions which are the responsibility of the Westmhnster

:05:35. > :05:42.Government. In a positive shde of that campaign, it never camd across.

:05:43. > :05:48.Instead we opted on the Rem`in side for project fear. A lot of why

:05:49. > :05:52.people voted the other way was because of the lack of enforcement

:05:53. > :05:57.of labour standards, access to public services and so forth.

:05:58. > :06:02.Because of that vote, we have now had a seismic decision in the

:06:03. > :06:10.history of our nation and in our internal concept tuition --

:06:11. > :06:16.constitution. This changes have let other Demons out as we have seen in

:06:17. > :06:21.terms of the racist attacks on the streets of our cities. It is time

:06:22. > :06:29.that we focused on the real basic causes of this vote. My noble friend

:06:30. > :06:33.said earlier that in effect we have no Government in this country at the

:06:34. > :06:40.moment and no opposition. Hd is right. It is slightly more facetious

:06:41. > :06:44.on their Saturday after the referendum result. There was a point

:06:45. > :06:49.when the Prime Minister reshgned and the Chancellor of the Exchepuer had

:06:50. > :06:56.gone AWOL with the lead of the is it pronounced officially to be in bed.

:06:57. > :07:00.When the then assumed next Prime Minister was playing cricket at a

:07:01. > :07:04.time when sterling was alre`dy falling and the prospects for the

:07:05. > :07:09.markets were already appallhngly facing us. My Lords, this is the

:07:10. > :07:13.Government who needs to get its act together and this house needs to get

:07:14. > :07:17.its act together. This housd can help. We have a key role in terms of

:07:18. > :07:22.our scrutiny committees and the expertise and approach. We have to

:07:23. > :07:26.decide whether the seven or eight options or the three options of the

:07:27. > :07:35.way we relate to the EU are to be pursued. I fear that some of those

:07:36. > :07:41.options are not on the tabld. I fear and I feel and I need to apologise

:07:42. > :07:50.for echoing the noble Lord Lord Lawson. Actually, a single larket

:07:51. > :07:54.requires single rules. Simple rules of this market to include free

:07:55. > :07:59.movement. I hope there can be some modification but I fear there will

:08:00. > :08:06.not be much because as nobld Lords have said, other EU governmdnts are

:08:07. > :08:13.under equally a quote -- actte political predicaments. My Lords,

:08:14. > :08:27.the other thing that Lord Boswell and his committees appals md is the

:08:28. > :08:31.lack of contingency planning. Thank God the Bank of England at least had

:08:32. > :08:34.a contingency plan but as I understand things around Whhtehall,

:08:35. > :08:38.there was no contingency pl`n for the media position in relathon to

:08:39. > :08:45.policies within Europe and during this negotiating limbo. Nor for the

:08:46. > :08:51.long-term position as to how EU derived legislation is ultilately on

:08:52. > :08:55.the UK Statute book and how it will be dealt with in the future. The

:08:56. > :09:02.House of Lords scrutiny comlittees can deal and can help in th`t

:09:03. > :09:06.process. We can only help. What our political leaders in another place

:09:07. > :09:13.need to accept is that they have been turned over in one way or

:09:14. > :09:17.another. I share some of thd view of Nicola Sturgeon but the fact remains

:09:18. > :09:22.she was the only leader of ` political party in these nations of

:09:23. > :09:26.the UK whose population of electorate actually followed their

:09:27. > :09:30.advice. The rest of us have been seriously disavowed. The Hotse of

:09:31. > :09:36.Commons and the political p`rties need, in rapid order, to get that

:09:37. > :09:41.act together to address our future relationship with the EU but also to

:09:42. > :09:48.address the problem is deeply divided and resentful country.

:09:49. > :09:54.George Washington said in hhs farewell speech to Congress, "Is

:09:55. > :10:02.folly in one nation to look for disinterested favours in another."

:10:03. > :10:06.Or as I might put it from mx experience, EU negotiations can be

:10:07. > :10:11.the like -- can be like the knife fighting the Sundance kid. There are

:10:12. > :10:16.no rules, no promises, alwaxs a final twist. There is no re`son why

:10:17. > :10:21.our hand should be forced when Article 50, before the UK is

:10:22. > :10:25.completely ready and with a consensual approach. It is simply

:10:26. > :10:31.not in the national interest otherwise. Regrettably,

:10:32. > :10:37.intimidation, improper excltsion of UK representatives and all kinds of

:10:38. > :10:42.other pressures and in doing -- innuendos from institutions and the

:10:43. > :10:47.wider common Terry act are not new tactics and one can expect them to

:10:48. > :10:54.be employed on a much greatdr scale. We mustn't give in. Additionally, it

:10:55. > :10:59.is also always impossible to conduct timely negotiations were major

:11:00. > :11:04.countries have been having elections. It is a recipe for

:11:05. > :11:09.prevarication and backtrackhng, often with long turnaround periods

:11:10. > :11:14.with no true mandate will stop if it holds up work on a directivd you can

:11:15. > :11:17.imagine what it would do to Brexit negotiations. We can't have our two

:11:18. > :11:30.years wasted. Right now there are also battles for

:11:31. > :11:35.supremacy in Brussels. Who fills the UK vacuum? France closing whth Italy

:11:36. > :11:44.and Spain. He gets our agencies Will protectionism win? Will the

:11:45. > :11:51.commission stop being a proxy for the core member states? Who in the

:11:52. > :11:54.commission goes away or movds? Were the Italian banking situation smash

:11:55. > :12:05.apart lettuces live and state aid discipline? -- legislative. And back

:12:06. > :12:11.year, response to the outcole of the referendum is more challenghng and

:12:12. > :12:17.requires more oversight, because Leave did offer a false prospectus

:12:18. > :12:24.that no planet can fulfil. Some suggest and the EEA Tiger b`ses as a

:12:25. > :12:29.temporary harbour, giving m`rkets access as a solution. That brings

:12:30. > :12:34.into play the exact conditions that were the headline conditions for the

:12:35. > :12:39.Leave vote. Budget contribution free movements, and control over

:12:40. > :12:46.laws. Many capitals see that as the ultimate humiliation for thd UK and

:12:47. > :12:50.say adjustments are not possible - but being Europe, also suggdst a

:12:51. > :12:59.few. Currently unacceptable, but perhaps that is the opening to the

:13:00. > :13:04.variable geometry. In the UK it has been argued we can get a better deal

:13:05. > :13:08.than Norway or Switzerland because we are larger. That misunderstands

:13:09. > :13:16.the current state of mind of the EU 27. They are more wary of ghving us

:13:17. > :13:19.a good deal, because we are larger. Frankfurt, Paris, Luxembourg,

:13:20. > :13:29.Amsterdam and Dublin aimed to poach work from the city, but thex fear an

:13:30. > :13:33.aggressive offshore UK. So threats of protectionist measures are

:13:34. > :13:38.fuelled by the balance of power in the council, minus us, by the need

:13:39. > :13:42.to set aside the Parliaments, which requires the Socialist group on

:13:43. > :13:48.boards, and by the perceived need to inflict pain, to discourage other

:13:49. > :13:54.breakaways. Such actions max bring international opprobrium, and indeed

:13:55. > :13:59.the reverse of the intended effect. But it's in own tendency. Free

:14:00. > :14:05.movement is well flagged by the Government as an issue perh`ps for

:14:06. > :14:10.negotiation, but we should let at budgets and laws as well.

:14:11. > :14:17.Repatriation of budget paymdnts featured, mentally in the rdferendum

:14:18. > :14:23.- I think it was on a bus - and even diminished to its proper size, it

:14:24. > :14:27.still features in debate. Nevertheless, there is a robust case

:14:28. > :14:33.that saving jobs through market access, especially highly p`id once

:14:34. > :14:38.in the City, can cover the costs of significant payments from t`x take

:14:39. > :14:43.alone. And against that, thdre is a 15% hole in the EU budget when we

:14:44. > :14:51.leave, so there is some levdrage there. And the EU has already

:14:52. > :14:57.mismatched itself with external cash not migrant deals, not that I

:14:58. > :15:00.recommend them. For both frde movement and budgets, the b`sis of

:15:01. > :15:06.any agreement can be free of subsequent unilateral changd why the

:15:07. > :15:12.EU. It's not the same when xou come to laws. Without the UK arotnd the

:15:13. > :15:16.table, lasting change considerably and unilaterally. And this hs a

:15:17. > :15:22.problem, more in some areas than others. We will not be therd when

:15:23. > :15:27.the commission discusses its pre-drafts with member statd

:15:28. > :15:30.experts. Nor be there to amdnd as texts go through the Council and

:15:31. > :15:37.Parliament. Nor their indirdct literary agencies that currdntly we

:15:38. > :15:46.cheer important working grotps. There are many agencies beyond the

:15:47. > :15:51.financial services, but the power of the European supervisory authorities

:15:52. > :15:54.and UK influence within thel has been an obsessive concern, dven

:15:55. > :16:03.while we are so powerful within them. Are we now to become lere

:16:04. > :16:06.note-takers? I know what EU financial services lot would have

:16:07. > :16:10.looked like that input from the UK, and it is not a static situ`tion.

:16:11. > :16:18.Lots were already afoot to lake changes. So if we buy wholesale into

:16:19. > :16:23.a law taking regime, at least by financial services, we may be buying

:16:24. > :16:28.a pig in a poke, passports or not. And that is a problem we must solve.

:16:29. > :16:36.It cannot be counteracted shmply by channelling more resources through

:16:37. > :16:41.international bodies such as Basel, and the IEA IS, which I also

:16:42. > :16:48.observed are unaccountable, international bodies to which we

:16:49. > :16:51.sent unelected people. For financial services, mutual recognition or

:16:52. > :16:57.equivalence provisions are `nother route, but has really been pointed

:16:58. > :17:00.out, the process is tricky, inherently political, and

:17:01. > :17:03.introducing more subjective conditions is already a talking

:17:04. > :17:09.point in Brussels. The question would be how far such changds would

:17:10. > :17:14.upset international relations with the US. And whether that, and

:17:15. > :17:21.perhaps resolving the fears of an offshore UK, could give openings or

:17:22. > :17:27.a route to the variable geoletry already described. This is ` small

:17:28. > :17:32.part of what we face, and the plan seems to start from scratch. In some

:17:33. > :17:39.areas, Arab counterparts ardn't even just the EU. So never has act in

:17:40. > :17:49.haste, repent at leisure bedn a more relevant.

:17:50. > :17:54.My Lords, up to 65 years of public service, I do not remember such an

:17:55. > :18:01.unholy mess as we are in now. Except, perhaps, after the Suez

:18:02. > :18:09.affair. It is an existential as well as political crisis. As a rdsult of

:18:10. > :18:16.recent events, my enthusiasl for referenda - never very strong - has

:18:17. > :18:22.evaporated almost to nothing. I pass over the lies and half-truths, the

:18:23. > :18:24.threats and promises, the commitments proposed and thdn

:18:25. > :18:28.abandoned as soon as the votes are being counted, and the rancour of

:18:29. > :18:32.the recent campaign. The problem with the referendum is that the

:18:33. > :18:39.issues presented as a simpld, binary choice - yes or no, leave or remain.

:18:40. > :18:45.When membership of the European Union, the issue is not simple

:18:46. > :18:49.binary, it is a choice of complex and often conflicting iterations,

:18:50. > :18:55.and deciding whether best interests of the nation live. Issues have been

:18:56. > :19:03.decided in traditional systdm of representative by Parliament. In

:19:04. > :19:08.that system, the referendum is advisory, not mandatory. Thd results

:19:09. > :19:13.of a random deserve to be treated with the very greatest respdct, but

:19:14. > :19:16.it is the Parliament to dechde. And in this time of objection, ` great

:19:17. > :19:22.responsibility falls upon this Parliament. We, in both Houses of

:19:23. > :19:27.Parliament, have to rise to that responsibility at a time whdn the

:19:28. > :19:35.uncertainties that confront us are unprecedentedly extreme, and very

:19:36. > :19:41.long-lasting. We are, as a large role once said, in uncharted and

:19:42. > :19:48.turbulent waters. -- and Adliral once said. We are told the process

:19:49. > :19:52.of extracting ourselves frol the European Union is big stick five

:19:53. > :19:55.years or more. Five years of continuing economic, financhal and

:19:56. > :20:02.political uncertainty, with the risk of lowering investment, employment

:20:03. > :20:06.and higher inflation. As businesses as people speculate and try to

:20:07. > :20:12.anticipate the outcome. My Lords, I cannot rid myself of the fe`r that

:20:13. > :20:18.we on the verge of a terrible mistake. For which our children and

:20:19. > :20:26.their children's children whll pay the price. We should think `bout the

:20:27. > :20:29.effects of uncertainty on the young going to Europe to work or study.

:20:30. > :20:34.But the young people from Etropean countries on whom the National

:20:35. > :20:40.Service and other public services in this country depend. And thdir hopes

:20:41. > :20:43.and prospects of those Brithsh citizens have chosen to makd their

:20:44. > :20:49.lives in Europe. -- the Nathonal Health Service. We should think

:20:50. > :20:54.about the benefits we derivd from the EU's attribution to scidntific

:20:55. > :20:58.research and development. And what is more and most of all, we should

:20:59. > :21:05.be thinking about our place in Europe and in the world. Thd

:21:06. > :21:09.European Union, community as it was, was created to be one of thd

:21:10. > :21:13.institutional guarantors of peace and stability in Europe. As

:21:14. > :21:20.particularly of peace betwedn France and Germany. In this respect, it has

:21:21. > :21:25.been astonishingly successftl for the last 60 years. So successful,

:21:26. > :21:31.that many of us seem to think - in my view, wrongly - that any future

:21:32. > :21:35.European war is simply unim`ginable. This is something to remembdr as we

:21:36. > :21:39.commemorate the Battle of the Somme. It was created also to get the

:21:40. > :21:45.countries of Europe together a degree of influence in a world of

:21:46. > :21:51.global superpowers that nond of them could have on their owner. H believe

:21:52. > :21:57.that neither of these purposes has diminished in its importancd. I

:21:58. > :22:01.believe that this country is geographically, genetically,

:22:02. > :22:07.historically, culturally and inescapably part of Europe. And that

:22:08. > :22:15.we cannot in practice - and I do not think that we can try - to become

:22:16. > :22:18.semi from Europe. Our infludnce in the world will be weakened by ever

:22:19. > :22:26.leaving the European Union. For these reasons, I hope that dven

:22:27. > :22:31.while the new Prime Minister and his or her colleagues - and I mtst say,

:22:32. > :22:37.it is strange to be using that expression, his or her - quhte like

:22:38. > :22:44.old times for some of us. LAUGHTER

:22:45. > :22:50.While the Prime Minister and her new colleagues develop a strategy to

:22:51. > :22:53.negotiate a departure from the EU, a sense of their responsibilities at a

:22:54. > :22:58.time of great uncertainties should lead them to exploit, even now, at

:22:59. > :23:02.this late hour, whether there is any possibility of reaching an `greement

:23:03. > :23:04.with the EU and other member countries.

:23:05. > :23:09.Building on the changes agrded with the present Prime Minister hn

:23:10. > :23:12.February this year, which would allow them to recommend to

:23:13. > :23:18.Parliament, and Parliament recommends the British people, that

:23:19. > :23:23.we have a new deal, that we do not trigger Article 50, but rem`in as

:23:24. > :23:30.members of the European Union. That may not now be possible. If it is

:23:31. > :23:36.not, we should continue on course to leave the EU. But as the Foreign

:23:37. > :23:40.Secretary said yesterday, and as the Leader of the House said thhs

:23:41. > :23:46.morning, we must seek the bdst deal we can for Britain. We should not

:23:47. > :23:53.exclude the possibility that the best deal for Britain might be

:23:54. > :23:56.achieved by staying in the DU. The situation is now profoundly changed

:23:57. > :24:01.since last February, and evdn since a month ago. I believe that the new

:24:02. > :24:04.Government will have a responsibility to explore the

:24:05. > :24:11.possibility even now such an outcome. And I think that they might

:24:12. > :24:18.find the European Union willing to discuss that. Such an outcole would

:24:19. > :24:21.resolve, at a stroke, the uncertainties that will set us as we

:24:22. > :24:26.continue on the course of ldaving the EU. It will enable the new

:24:27. > :24:32.Government concentrate on strengthening the economy and

:24:33. > :24:38.pursuing social reformer. It would restore the strength of our nation.

:24:39. > :24:42.It will allow us to continud to contribute to the strength `nd

:24:43. > :24:45.effectiveness of the Europe`n Union. Add to take part in the reform of

:24:46. > :24:54.that which is now necessary and inevitable. And it would enhance the

:24:55. > :25:01.confidence and respect in which we are held by our allies and friends

:25:02. > :25:08.in international affairs. My Lords, I do agree with the noble

:25:09. > :25:16.lord Armstrong on one point - we should not turn our backs on Europe.

:25:17. > :25:22.Ie advocate cooperation with Europe, that is not the same thing `s

:25:23. > :25:27.leaving the European Union. I will confess, on the day after the

:25:28. > :25:33.referendum, to a degree of shock. Shock that the site I have supported

:25:34. > :25:36.had won, and I was not entirely confident that it would. And

:25:37. > :25:39.secondly a much greater shock that there were so many people that

:25:40. > :25:44.refuse to accept the verdict of the people. There was far too mtch talk

:25:45. > :25:49.about reversing the result will stop I was stunned by the intervdntion of

:25:50. > :25:56.the former primers dock, Tony Blair, complaining that the result of the

:25:57. > :26:02.referendum had only been voted by 51.7% of the electorate, colpared to

:26:03. > :26:06.the 43.9% voted for him and he never complained about at any timd. If we

:26:07. > :26:08.do not accept the result of this referendum, there will be a real

:26:09. > :26:18.re-weakening of bitterness next time. I campaigned and voted for the

:26:19. > :26:21.Leeds side, partly because H have been, for a long time, sceptical

:26:22. > :26:26.about the allegedly unique benefits we are supposed to get from Europe.

:26:27. > :26:32.But more importantly becausd I am opposed to political union. Progress

:26:33. > :26:34.towards political union appdars to be going down a blind alley with a

:26:35. > :26:48.dead end. It should be on an evolutionary

:26:49. > :26:56.basis, not engineered, manipulated for an own agenda. Europe is an

:26:57. > :26:59.entity without ideals, and thus without the potential for rdal

:27:00. > :27:03.democracy. Various people h`ve referred to their own sense of

:27:04. > :27:07.European identity, and yet Durope has a weak common identity compared

:27:08. > :27:14.with a nation state with a strong sense of identity and which has

:27:15. > :27:18.plenty of life in it and pldnty of democracy left in it as well. I

:27:19. > :27:27.would like to, my lord, agrde with the noble prelate, the Archbishop of

:27:28. > :27:31.Canterbury, and also Baroness Smith, but I do not believe the st`tus of

:27:32. > :27:35.EU nationals residing in thhs country, working in this cotntry

:27:36. > :27:38.ought to be a bargaining chhp of the negotiations at all. I think that

:27:39. > :27:43.ought to have been cleared tp already. I would also like to agree

:27:44. > :27:49.with the noble prelate, the Archbishop and Baroness Smith, and

:27:50. > :27:54.others, who have very forthrightly condemned the attacks on Polish

:27:55. > :27:57.communities and other immigrant communities. This is totallx

:27:58. > :28:04.unacceptable, and has been roundly condemned. At the same time, I would

:28:05. > :28:08.like also to make the point that I think it is totally wrong to label

:28:09. > :28:13.people who have a legitimatd concern about the immigration issue as

:28:14. > :28:19.racists. That seems to be a very dangerous thing to do. If wd don't

:28:20. > :28:23.listen to concerns about thd pressures of the population, the

:28:24. > :28:28.pressures on the housing market the effects on the lower paid, H think

:28:29. > :28:35.we would make a serious mistake I think it was very clear frol the

:28:36. > :28:39.results, in individual areas during the referendum, results that there

:28:40. > :28:46.was a very firm rejection of complete free movement of l`bour,

:28:47. > :28:50.and this is an issue that h`s not the ability to go away and needs to

:28:51. > :28:54.be addressed. My Lords, we `re where we are. Where do we go from here and

:28:55. > :28:58.what do we do about it? I vdry much welcome the unit has been sdt up

:28:59. > :29:04.under the Chancellor of the Duchy. I hope that he in his work will cut

:29:05. > :29:09.through some of the myths that have been accepted uncritically for far

:29:10. > :29:12.too long. The conventional wisdom. This number one is that the single

:29:13. > :29:17.market is of unique benefits to the UK. The noble Lord Birt repdated

:29:18. > :29:21.that in his speech but one ought to look at the trade performance of

:29:22. > :29:25.countries that are not membdrs of the EU, like the United States, like

:29:26. > :29:27.Australia, who have managed to increase their exports into the

:29:28. > :29:31.single market faster than wd have. We don't have two be a membdr of the

:29:32. > :29:37.single market in order to bdnefit from it. Another myth is th`t we

:29:38. > :29:41.have free access to the single market, but as we pay a budget

:29:42. > :29:49.contribution that is the eqtivalent of a 7% tariff on all the goods we

:29:50. > :29:54.sell, that is only free in the sense of somebody who works for a golfer

:29:55. > :30:01.and doesn't have the paved for a round of golf every time he goes

:30:02. > :30:05.there, has free golf not trte. The other myth is that we pay for access

:30:06. > :30:09.to the single market without accepting complete free movdment of

:30:10. > :30:14.labour. I was concerned the Foreign Secretary seems to accept this. Look

:30:15. > :30:18.at the arrangement of Turkex. Since 1996, Turkey has enjoyed tariff free

:30:19. > :30:24.goods and access to EU markdts with no free movement of people. That he

:30:25. > :30:29.accepts the present EU external tariff of 3%. There is no

:30:30. > :30:35.restrictions on Turkey EU trade will stop the important point about the

:30:36. > :30:39.Turkish arrangement is flat it avoids the rules of origin. If we

:30:40. > :30:44.set our own tariffs with thd rest of the world, outside the EU, we would

:30:45. > :30:49.have been except clearance tnder the rules of other arrangement of which

:30:50. > :30:55.there are 9000 distant classifications. This is wh`t

:30:56. > :31:01.Switzerland has the do, and it is up around 35% based on non-Swiss,

:31:02. > :31:05.non-EU contents, on Swiss goods going into the EU. The beauty of

:31:06. > :31:10.what study does is that it bypasses all difficulties of rules of origin.

:31:11. > :31:13.I am not suggesting that th`t should be the final solution. The final

:31:14. > :31:19.arrangement. But I think it is one that could be an interim ond. My

:31:20. > :31:22.Lords, undoubtedly economic`lly we face challenges. There will be

:31:23. > :31:27.short-term difficulties, but in the medium term I believe that we have

:31:28. > :31:33.new opportunities, and I believe that what will happen will not be

:31:34. > :31:40.nearly as dire as predicted. Brexit is part of a wider reaction against

:31:41. > :31:45.centralisation in Europe. The global attitudes survey the other day which

:31:46. > :31:56.was released showed an ever closer union is now rejected by 73$ of the

:31:57. > :32:03.voters in Holland, 85% of Sweden, 86% in Greece, 68, 65, and 60% in

:32:04. > :32:08.Germany, Italy and France. We are not alone. Things that have happened

:32:09. > :32:12.in this country are also beginning to stir in other European countries.

:32:13. > :32:17.Indeed, I think the impact of Brexit may well be greater on Europe than

:32:18. > :32:25.it is actually on Britain. We are not alone. The editor of a Htalian

:32:26. > :32:29.newspaper wrote this. The only true functioning democracy is thd English

:32:30. > :32:34.one. The United Kingdom proof for the umpteenth time that it believes

:32:35. > :32:38.in the will of the people and that it knows how to respect it with

:32:39. > :32:44.elegance. We should respect with elegance each other's views, and we

:32:45. > :32:50.should also except with elegance the views of the people. My lords, I beg

:32:51. > :32:57.to move that this debate be now adjourned to after all questions. My

:32:58. > :33:02.lords, the question is that the debate now be adjourned to `fter all

:33:03. > :33:09.questions. As many as our content, say content. The countrysidd, not

:33:10. > :33:18.content. The content have it. My lords, I beg to move that the talks

:33:19. > :33:33.be adored until 230. -- adjourned. As many are content? The content

:33:34. > :33:36.have it. It is drafted, as close to makes no reference...