05/07/2016

:00:14. > :00:20.I shall write to him later! My Lords, may I just ask the noble Lord

:00:21. > :00:27.on the junior doctors theme, my understanding was the vote was to

:00:28. > :00:35.reject a 52% from 48% which was quite a large majority. -- 58 to

:00:36. > :00:39.42%. On the issue of alcohol and the 14 units per week, my Lords, I

:00:40. > :00:45.looked on the Department of Health website this morning, and although

:00:46. > :00:50.its talks about the risk of alcohol, it actually does not specify what

:00:51. > :00:58.are the additional risks, for instance, if the units are being

:00:59. > :01:01.kept from them at 18 units fall the week. The principal research and

:01:02. > :01:04.expert advice given to the Chief Medical Officer, looking at the Lay

:01:05. > :01:11.summary, the game does not quantify the risk. It simply says there is a

:01:12. > :01:16.raised risk. My Lord, would he accept that if in fact we are not

:01:17. > :01:22.prepared to give the public the real facts, it is unlikely that the Chief

:01:23. > :01:26.Medical Officer's advise will be taken seriously? I wondered if he

:01:27. > :01:32.would have a look at this. On the first issue, I can't hear commits to

:01:33. > :01:37.giving a statement, that depends on decisions elsewhere, but is

:01:38. > :01:40.certainly true that if there was a statement in the House of Commons I

:01:41. > :01:44.would expect there are a statement to be here. As far as concerns,

:01:45. > :01:50.guidelines are based on real facts. Last time guidelines are given was

:01:51. > :01:55.in 1995, and in between then and now the link between alcohol and cancer,

:01:56. > :02:01.or the scientific link between cancer and alcohol, has changed. And

:02:02. > :02:06.so, I think she feels that it is right to put the facts in the public

:02:07. > :02:13.domain, and as I said, we are consulting now, on we actually word

:02:14. > :02:13.those, word those guidelines to the public.

:02:14. > :02:25.I beg leave to the question in my name on the order paper.

:02:26. > :02:30.The Government has no plans to introduce identity cards for British

:02:31. > :02:39.citizens. My Lords, with Brexit increasing

:02:40. > :02:46.levels of immigration, concerns of international terrorism, personal

:02:47. > :02:52.security frauds, and concerns over voter registration and access to

:02:53. > :02:59.public services, do not advances in biometric details that the

:03:00. > :03:03.collection now give us a new opportunity to consider introducing

:03:04. > :03:09.identity cards? We need them now, we need them urgently. I believe the

:03:10. > :03:18.majority of the public want them. The Liberal Democrats will not

:03:19. > :03:23.clever so why not have rethink? The Government's focus is on

:03:24. > :03:26.enhancing security of existing documents whilst recognising the

:03:27. > :03:33.direction of travel towards a digital identities that may reduce

:03:34. > :03:39.reliance on physical documents. 84% of the population in this country

:03:40. > :03:43.who are UK citizens hold a UK passport, the majority of which are

:03:44. > :03:49.biometric. Those who have immigration status in this country

:03:50. > :03:54.hold biometric residence permits. It is not considered appropriate to

:03:55. > :03:59.sleep this week in favour of identity cards. -- sweep this away.

:04:00. > :04:03.And what he just said about passports that he recognised that in

:04:04. > :04:09.order to defend our borders it is essential immigration officers

:04:10. > :04:15.should be aware of who people are anti-British passport holder who has

:04:16. > :04:20.multiple other nationalities -- and a passport holder, it is necessarily

:04:21. > :04:25.those passport should be seen to be held when the British passport is

:04:26. > :04:29.showing on the scanner? That is not currently the case and the Home

:04:30. > :04:34.Office have resisted my attempts to introduce it, largely because they

:04:35. > :04:38.do not like other people's ideas. When he kindly see something is

:04:39. > :04:44.done, otherwise the Government is failing in a big way in its

:04:45. > :04:50.responsibilities for defending our sovereignty and Borders?

:04:51. > :04:56.The Home Office is always open to new ideas.

:04:57. > :05:01.LAUGHTER Thank you, my Lords. It remains

:05:02. > :05:06.open. Our borders are open to those who carry a British passport and

:05:07. > :05:14.since the time of Henry V those present one are entitled to enter

:05:15. > :05:22.country. -- those who present one. Noble lords will been appalled by

:05:23. > :05:25.the murder of 32 April in Brussels in a march by terrorists. Any

:05:26. > :05:29.country with the carrying of national identity card is

:05:30. > :05:34.compulsory. Can the normal lobby ministers say how identity cards

:05:35. > :05:38.would make us safer in the UK where they appear not to make people in

:05:39. > :05:44.Belgium any safer? -- had the noble lord the Minister. He the position

:05:45. > :05:47.of the Government is identity card and not something they would

:05:48. > :05:52.contemplate introducing currently. If they believed there was a

:05:53. > :05:57.increasing security of course their position would change.

:05:58. > :06:02.Will be noble lord be surprised if the phone when I was a member of the

:06:03. > :06:07.other place I held a consultation on identity cards in my constituency

:06:08. > :06:12.and one of the responses which most surprise people was from married

:06:13. > :06:16.woman, most a lot but not all, from minority ethnic communities who said

:06:17. > :06:19.they had no access to their passports, did not have a bank card

:06:20. > :06:25.or savings account, could not prove to the world. Indeed, saying that

:06:26. > :06:30.when some of them have become victims of domestic violence they

:06:31. > :06:34.were told they could not be rehoused because they could not prove who

:06:35. > :06:40.they were. They said to me, if you are me to have an identity card I

:06:41. > :06:45.would be someone. As the Government thought about those issues?

:06:46. > :06:48.It is tragic to hear of victims of such intimidation and control but I

:06:49. > :06:53.would observe those who are the subject of such are not likely to

:06:54. > :06:58.have access to the identity card any more than they have access to their

:06:59. > :07:03.passport. We have heard in the course of the

:07:04. > :07:07.debate about the rise in attacks against minorities. One of the

:07:08. > :07:14.things that concerned minorities was if you introduce an identity card it

:07:15. > :07:17.opened the door to harassment or people who speak a foreign tongue,

:07:18. > :07:24.and accent, you would have victimisation of people who have a

:07:25. > :07:28.different colour of skin and a sense it would create those sorts of

:07:29. > :07:36.problems for people from minorities. The answer to the issue raised is

:07:37. > :07:40.surely you have better facilities for people experiencing domestic

:07:41. > :07:47.violence, oppression within the communities and from their partners.

:07:48. > :07:51.That is the answer, identity cards. The Government would agree the

:07:52. > :07:57.answer is not the introduction of an identity cards.

:07:58. > :08:02.Come by law to meet what the estimated cost would be of identity

:08:03. > :08:05.cards? The estimated cost of following

:08:06. > :08:13.through the original proposals which began in 2003 and implemented in

:08:14. > :08:19.2009 were estimated in 2010 at just over ?840 million.

:08:20. > :08:27.I except the plans for ID cards got out of hand for when they started --

:08:28. > :08:33.I accept. But the Minister must know this country is one of the easiest

:08:34. > :08:39.countries to work illegally in. One of the greatest Proulx factors for

:08:40. > :08:43.the merchants of sometimes death in trafficking people. -- Proulx

:08:44. > :08:50.factors. Couple that with no ID card and it is money in the bank for

:08:51. > :08:56.these people. Stop it being made so easy to work illegally, number one,

:08:57. > :09:00.and that goes hand in glove with securing people's identity, the two

:09:01. > :09:05.things should be done together. The introduction of the new

:09:06. > :09:10.immigration act has clamped down on the scope of illegal working in this

:09:11. > :09:14.country. It is not considered appropriate that should be combined

:09:15. > :09:22.with any system of identity cards. One of the main reasons to actually

:09:23. > :09:25.have the card is for a person to protect their identity and get

:09:26. > :09:32.access to all of the things now done digitally. We found when we get the

:09:33. > :09:35.work of the banks when I started the cyber security policy is to have

:09:36. > :09:39.cards for individuals which biometrics and could be used with

:09:40. > :09:43.computers for their own security. All this other stuff about checking

:09:44. > :09:48.up on people and everything is a signed line, as far as I'm

:09:49. > :09:52.concerned. It is to save the identity and personal details of the

:09:53. > :09:57.individual in this country. -- Eastside line. Enable them to get

:09:58. > :10:02.digital access to the new system is coming and the only really fun to do

:10:03. > :10:07.that with the banks and stock exchanges is have some sort of card

:10:08. > :10:12.that has biometric details to let them do it safely.

:10:13. > :10:16.It would appear matters have moved further because we are not in the

:10:17. > :10:20.realms of digital identification were cards are not required and the

:10:21. > :10:25.Governmentmy own website makes provision for digital

:10:26. > :10:29.identification. Hashtag Government's own site. I beg

:10:30. > :10:35.leave to ask the question in my name on the order paper.

:10:36. > :10:40.The Government is committed to tackling hate crime. The UK has one

:10:41. > :10:46.of the strongest legislative frameworks in the world. In terms of

:10:47. > :10:50.recent events we are working across Government with police, including

:10:51. > :10:55.national community tensions teams, the CPS and community partners, to

:10:56. > :10:59.send out a clear message, the crime will not be tolerated and those who

:11:00. > :11:07.commit these acts will face the full force of the law.

:11:08. > :11:15.I fear many hit claims have came against a backdrop of a campaign

:11:16. > :11:18.which give a rubber stamp to racism. That the Government make any

:11:19. > :11:25.previous preparations for the rise of the claim before the referendum

:11:26. > :11:29.and will the Minister agree we must ensure the status of the citizens

:11:30. > :11:39.and other immigrants in this country and be assured of their status? --

:11:40. > :11:42.preparations for the rise in hate crime.

:11:43. > :11:50.The Government implemented a series of educational programmes which have

:11:51. > :11:54.received the support of the National union of teachers who are close by

:11:55. > :11:59.this afternoon, I believe. In the circumstances we have taken steps to

:12:00. > :12:04.address this issue. In addition, across Government hate crime action

:12:05. > :12:08.plan is about to be published. I understand the publication is

:12:09. > :12:12.imminent and that will drive for what our proposals to deal with all

:12:13. > :12:19.forms of hate crime. I came to this country in from India

:12:20. > :12:22.as a 19-year-old. At the time of the referendum I received this tweet.

:12:23. > :12:31."You Are not the British-born sort your import -- input into the

:12:32. > :12:41.British fort is of interested through British workers." They went

:12:42. > :12:45.to the hospital with a broken finger at this weekend and was told by

:12:46. > :12:49.someone next to her, you are reported to this country? Their

:12:50. > :12:53.selection referendum has caused this. Will the Minister acknowledge

:12:54. > :12:57.this is the case and is the Government doing enough to address

:12:58. > :13:04.something I have not, in any way, witness for 30 years but I am now

:13:05. > :13:10.witnessing. No matter what may divide us we are

:13:11. > :13:14.united in this country by shared values of democracy, free speech,

:13:15. > :13:18.mutual respect and opportunity and if we maintain those standards we

:13:19. > :13:24.can drive out the criminals who perpetrate these sort of crimes the

:13:25. > :13:29.noble lord referred to. If there had been no split on Europe within the

:13:30. > :13:34.Conservative Party that would have been no Conservative Party

:13:35. > :13:39.referendum. If there had been no referendum that would have been no

:13:40. > :13:43.significant rise in hate crime. Will the Government now at least do the

:13:44. > :13:48.decent thing and accept what is happening today is because party

:13:49. > :13:53.interests was put in front of national interests and put the noble

:13:54. > :14:00.lord tell us what specific new initiatives or decisions as opposed

:14:01. > :14:06.to discussions, messages and plans, the Government has taken since the

:14:07. > :14:09.referendum campaign to address the serious and damaging situation they

:14:10. > :14:17.have helped create? With respect, it is not appropriate

:14:18. > :14:22.to seek to draw the line between the referendum, referendum results and

:14:23. > :14:26.those who have taken it as an opportunity to express xenophobia

:14:27. > :14:32.and the races positions. May I say this, I think it is obvious to all

:14:33. > :14:35.that the vote in that referendum can be attributed to a split in the

:14:36. > :14:40.Labour Party and not in the Conservative Party.

:14:41. > :14:49.There have been a five fold increase... There has been a five

:14:50. > :14:55.fold increase in the reporting hate crime, 500%, and that is reported a

:14:56. > :15:00.crime. The majority are not reported as I myself have also been abused

:15:01. > :15:05.online, members of my family, people I know of all colours, race,

:15:06. > :15:12.religion and no religion have been subjected to this. Could I ask the

:15:13. > :15:19.noble lord the Minister if he would support the initiative by a national

:15:20. > :15:24.coalition of race equality groups who have come together to ask for

:15:25. > :15:30.leadership and solidarity from all politicians all around the house and

:15:31. > :15:35.the other place and the media, to reject racism, hate crime and stop

:15:36. > :15:40.pandering to intolerance and racism. We should have a zero tolerance to

:15:41. > :15:45.this kind of behaviour. I would agree with the noble lady

:15:46. > :15:49.that on all sides of this house we are ready to condemn racism and

:15:50. > :15:55.xenophobia and we have a common interest and out so far as that is

:15:56. > :15:59.concerned. With regard to the increase in reported a race crime

:16:00. > :16:05.there has been a significant increases in the period 2010-2016,

:16:06. > :16:10.but one must be careful with those statistics because much of that is

:16:11. > :16:13.attributed to the fact we have introduced a better reporting system

:16:14. > :16:17.including the reporting portal Through vision.

:16:18. > :16:21.Would it not be a good idea if we all took Her Majesty The Queen's

:16:22. > :16:28.advice and just calmed down a little?

:16:29. > :16:38.Even if I can respond to the question from the noble lord, yes.

:16:39. > :16:40.It is not simply a question of the referendum campaign making

:16:41. > :16:49.xenophobia and racism are respectable again, it is also the

:16:50. > :16:53.responsibility of the noble lord the Minister's right Honourable friend

:16:54. > :16:58.in the other place, who have consistently, the right honourable

:16:59. > :17:01.Theresa May and the campaigns about the whole operas against illegal

:17:02. > :17:09.immigrants, pandered in exactly the same way. -- home of this campaign.

:17:10. > :17:12.The intervention in the me oral election in London talking about

:17:13. > :17:18.extremists was all part of the same picture. If they're not a pattern

:17:19. > :17:23.which has led to the increase in xenophobic incidents?

:17:24. > :17:31.Nothing makes xenophobia and racism respectable, least of all the

:17:32. > :17:34.referendum. My Lords, with the lead of the house I would like to repeat

:17:35. > :17:39.an answer to an urgent question given in the other place by the

:17:40. > :17:46.Minister of State for Schools in relation to the end you tea strike

:17:47. > :17:52.going on today. There is absolutely no justification for this strike.

:17:53. > :17:54.The Nu T asked for talks and we are having talks. Since made the

:17:55. > :18:07.Department for Education has engaged in a new programme would be teaching

:18:08. > :18:53.unions. Even before them we went to the roundtable discussions.

:18:54. > :18:56.and yet the budget for this year was greater than last budget review in

:18:57. > :18:58.2011, by ?4 billion. The government has shown its commitment to

:18:59. > :19:04.education by protecting schools under it. We want to work with the

:19:05. > :19:08.profession and the teaching unions, and have been doing so successfully

:19:09. > :19:13.in our efforts to reduce unnecessary teacher workload, with 15,000 more

:19:14. > :19:16.teachers profession than in 2010, teaching remains one of the most

:19:17. > :19:21.popular and attractive professions into which work. This industrial

:19:22. > :19:28.action by the NEDs pointless, but far from inconsequential. It

:19:29. > :19:31.disrupts education bill inconveniences, and damages the

:19:32. > :19:35.reputation of the profession in the eyes of the public. But because of

:19:36. > :19:40.the dedication of the vast majority of teachers and head teachers, our

:19:41. > :19:46.analysis shows that seven out of eight schools are refusing to close.

:19:47. > :19:51.Our school workforces must remain a suitable person for the 21st century

:19:52. > :20:01.by this action seeks to take the question back to the Taj trepidation

:20:02. > :20:04.of the 20th century. This also does not have a democratic mandate even

:20:05. > :20:14.from the new T members. It is based on a ballot with a turnout of 24.5%,

:20:15. > :20:16.less than 10% of the total teacher workforce. Our ground-breaking

:20:17. > :20:20.education reforms by improving pupil outcomes, challenging low

:20:21. > :20:23.expectations, and poor pupil behaviour in schools, and

:20:24. > :20:30.increasingly prestige of the teaching profession. This

:20:31. > :20:39.anachronistic and unnecessary strike is a march back into the path that

:20:40. > :20:43.nobody wants schools to revisit. I thank the noble Lord for repeating

:20:44. > :20:48.that statement in which it was said that today's strike was politically

:20:49. > :20:51.motivated. Frankly my law that is beyond irony from a government who

:20:52. > :21:00.in March launched a white paper that was driven first and foremost by

:21:01. > :21:07.political ideologies aiming divorce children into straitjackets and the

:21:08. > :21:14.local councils. I can't see how this is a fair comparison. They were

:21:15. > :21:19.faced with a government not acknowledging them, concerns as

:21:20. > :21:23.teachers being not replaced when they leave, growing class sizes, and

:21:24. > :21:28.an increasing workload contributing to major problems with staff

:21:29. > :21:31.retention. The Secretary of State herself said there will be no real

:21:32. > :21:36.terms cut in school but as yet the Institute for Fiscal Studies

:21:37. > :21:41.calculated there will be a per people cut of 8% cut in the years

:21:42. > :21:44.ahead. When will he addressed these existential issues that are

:21:45. > :21:56.threatening the quality of the educational future of our children?

:21:57. > :21:59.The noble Lord was met with 9.4% of teachers, and I'm personally

:22:00. > :22:02.saddened by this strike, and I would like to promote teaching as a

:22:03. > :22:08.profession and there is no doubt that the reputation of teachers is

:22:09. > :22:12.harmed by this strike, or at least the reputation of the 90.6% of

:22:13. > :22:19.teachers who didn't vote for this strike their reputation is affected

:22:20. > :22:23.by the 9.4%. As far as funding is concerned, we have as I said

:22:24. > :22:26.protected the schools budget, protected the per pupil premium,

:22:27. > :22:33.substantial resources be made available three education funding

:22:34. > :22:36.agency benchmarking information, and a great deal of advice is on offer

:22:37. > :22:40.to help schools with challenges facing a lot of people, higher

:22:41. > :22:46.pension costs, National Insurance, etc. Multi-Academy trusts are

:22:47. > :22:50.particularly well placed to do this and many are particularly effective

:22:51. > :22:55.in this regard. One of our most highly performing multi-Academy

:22:56. > :22:59.trusts has a system called curriculum lead financial planning,

:23:00. > :23:02.a sophisticated bottom-line modelling was also schools making

:23:03. > :23:09.sure resources are focused on schools, front lines, and making

:23:10. > :23:15.this free to other schools is improving resources for teachers.

:23:16. > :23:18.Assad day for education, when teachers feel the need to strike

:23:19. > :23:23.will stop it must not be ignored that those hit hardest by the strike

:23:24. > :23:28.will be the pupils and students who miss out on part of their education,

:23:29. > :23:32.and low income parents who do not have the disposable income to pay

:23:33. > :23:35.for childcare at a whim. The Minister has said the strikes were

:23:36. > :23:41.necessary as a school budget is as high as it has ever been but by

:23:42. > :23:45.doing this he has steadfastly refuse to acknowledge the dire financial

:23:46. > :23:50.situation faced by schools now. It was announced to me on the 9th of

:23:51. > :23:55.May the costs of teachers salaries have risen by 25.4%. On the 25th of

:23:56. > :23:59.May he proceeded to reiterate the government promise of a spending

:24:00. > :24:03.review that they project scope budgets -- school budget in real

:24:04. > :24:06.terms in this Parliament. Why is it then that the Institute for Fiscal

:24:07. > :24:13.Studies forecast that school spending per pupil is going to fall

:24:14. > :24:16.by 8% in real terms by 20 much better 2020 question macro does he

:24:17. > :24:24.agree with the figure or not? We need to recognise that with on costs

:24:25. > :24:27.and spending cuts, there are real challenges to spending, and we ask

:24:28. > :24:33.him how he intends to give the promise made in the economic review.

:24:34. > :24:37.I do intend to keep this entirely, and many schools and educational

:24:38. > :24:43.authorities are facing these on costs, living as we do in a climate

:24:44. > :24:47.of scarce resources, as I have intended to explain, and there are

:24:48. > :24:50.many resources available to schools to improve their budgeting, and

:24:51. > :24:54.schools are facing pressures on their budgets which for many of them

:24:55. > :25:00.is far greater than they have ever faced. Most of us have been brought

:25:01. > :25:04.up in eight climate of ever increasing income. Schools have

:25:05. > :25:08.never had to go back to a bottom-up model of the schools, and what we

:25:09. > :25:11.are finding when they do that they are finding significant savings, and

:25:12. > :25:15.actually this results in money being spent where they want it to be

:25:16. > :25:22.spent, rather than what has happened with other schools, with budgets

:25:23. > :25:26.growing and growing like Topsy, and financial modelling available to

:25:27. > :25:32.schools is resulting in much better focusing our resources in the

:25:33. > :25:37.classroom. The minister was complaining that the teachers had a

:25:38. > :25:43.democratic mandate of just 9.4%. Could he tell the house what his

:25:44. > :25:51.democratic mandate is? Well, it's lot higher that, and I would have

:25:52. > :25:57.thought as in our new legislation it would need to have a turnout of 50

:25:58. > :26:05.cents -- 50% before you could take this seriously. Adjourn the debate

:26:06. > :26:14.on the motion of the debate of the Lord Privy Seal. My Lords, the

:26:15. > :26:21.referendum campaign on both sides in my view was appalling. It verged on

:26:22. > :26:24.abuse, and the people of this country deserved better, and as a

:26:25. > :26:30.political class, I believe we owe them a profound apology. Divisions

:26:31. > :26:36.inevitably linger, and perhaps some are in danger of growing on

:26:37. > :26:43.immigration. A few words yesterday, and with your leave, a few more

:26:44. > :26:47.today. We condemn the outburst of intolerance, of course we do, but

:26:48. > :26:52.much of the blame, in my view, rests squarely on the shoulders of the

:26:53. > :26:58.political establishment which for 20 years has chosen largely to ignore

:26:59. > :27:02.the problem. The left shouted down anyone who wanted to discuss the

:27:03. > :27:09.issue, accused them of being racist, while we on the right offered up

:27:10. > :27:14.glib, implausible promises. How did we, as conservatives, expect

:27:15. > :27:19.ordinary people to react when at one moment we promised to reduce

:27:20. > :27:24.immigration to tens, not hundreds of thousands will stop no ifs or buts.

:27:25. > :27:36.And only a year later we deliver a net total in a single year of

:27:37. > :27:42.330,000. We share the blame. I wept when I saw that dreadful referendum

:27:43. > :27:49.poster of the refugees. Is it their fault? No, my Lords, not theirs. The

:27:50. > :27:54.fault lies with us. We've been sleeping comfortably, without

:27:55. > :27:58.consciences, and have slept too long. So today millions of people

:27:59. > :28:03.who are legally and properly settled in Britain are afraid. Uncertain

:28:04. > :28:11.what we might do with them, and to them. We don't deserve such

:28:12. > :28:15.uncertainty. -- they don't deserve. At times politics climbs into bed

:28:16. > :28:19.with some pretty uncomfortable bedfellows, and in the case of the

:28:20. > :28:23.vote to leave, dare I suggest that some of my fellow campaigners forgot

:28:24. > :28:30.to take off their boots. For me, my lord, my Lords, this referendum was

:28:31. > :28:36.about freedom, and tolerance, not just for a few but for us all. It

:28:37. > :28:40.was about the British sense of fair play, and flexibility, nothing to do

:28:41. > :28:46.with racist bullying, and kicking out minorities. It was about moving

:28:47. > :28:56.forward, not about cheating to dark old days when the island was

:28:57. > :28:58.surrounded by stormy seas. It was above all about respect,

:28:59. > :29:02.respectfully wishes of the people which requires respect for others.

:29:03. > :29:10.No matter what their origins, their colour, their accidents. -- accents.

:29:11. > :29:14.The government said yesterday it would be unwise to offer assurances

:29:15. > :29:18.do you immigrants already hit without parallel assurances from

:29:19. > :29:26.other European governments. But offering assurances is unwise? No,

:29:27. > :29:32.my Lords, far from it. It would be an act of humanity of friendship,

:29:33. > :29:35.and of leadership. What was Brexit about after all if not about

:29:36. > :29:43.establishing a sovereign independent government capable of making up its

:29:44. > :29:46.own mind? We don't need anybody else's imposition, those days are

:29:47. > :29:50.gone, it is now our choice. I want to press the government and all

:29:51. > :29:55.those who have ambition to lead it, for clear assurances that EU

:29:56. > :30:02.immigrants already living in this country lawfully have no fear, they

:30:03. > :30:06.are welcome. They will be so and continue to be. What are we to have,

:30:07. > :30:10.for pity 's sake? Mass transportation like that we have

:30:11. > :30:14.seen, vast lines of mothers, Bill will bid babes in arms crossing the

:30:15. > :30:19.Channel in different directions? That is the way of madness. It is

:30:20. > :30:24.worth repeating that these people aren't bargaining chips. Least of

:30:25. > :30:32.all hostages. They are on neighbours and our friends. We conservatives

:30:33. > :30:39.aren't dare I say the nasty party. And we mustn't become one. Any

:30:40. > :30:44.future government which tries to introduce legislation to send back

:30:45. > :30:50.legally settled immigrants would in my view be out of it's mind. It

:30:51. > :30:57.would soon be out of office. Otherwise, my lords are you -- we

:30:58. > :31:03.would lose the superb support that we enjoy in our health service, our

:31:04. > :31:10.care services, the code reasons we get in every street in every town of

:31:11. > :31:19.the country. Not least of all the superb service we get in our own

:31:20. > :31:25.dining room. . It is not going to happen, get on with it. So, what

:31:26. > :31:29.will happen? It is known in their one's interests to cut us off from

:31:30. > :31:34.the EU. We are and will still be all of us Europeans. There is no reason

:31:35. > :31:42.why that relationship should not be warm and productive. I would urge

:31:43. > :31:48.the EU, its own interests to find a better means of dealing with this

:31:49. > :31:52.crisis than through its unelected president. I don't wish to

:31:53. > :31:57.personalise this but frankly if it hadn't been for President Younger's

:31:58. > :32:01.conduct, and exquisite commentaries, and he has been at it again today,

:32:02. > :32:08.if it hadn't been for him, I think remain would have won. This will be

:32:09. > :32:16.and it must be a political process, balancing the rights of the UK and

:32:17. > :32:21.the rights of the EU. Process requires vision, and not run by

:32:22. > :32:28.bureaucracy but elected politicians, those who can feel the hot breath of

:32:29. > :32:40.the people on their next stop. That means above all I would say to the

:32:41. > :32:48.next promise that, if not next union, then Alliance. If not as one,

:32:49. > :32:54.then at least together. And if we are no longer bound by law, then let

:32:55. > :33:00.us be bound by bonds of overwhelming friendship. My Lords, we have a

:33:01. > :33:09.mountain to climb, but the summit yet might prove awesome. My Lords,

:33:10. > :33:14.it is a great pleasure to follow his speech, and I had endorse what he's

:33:15. > :33:22.saying, at least in the first half of his. We must all work on these

:33:23. > :33:27.issues. My Lords, my starting point is a bit different from those other

:33:28. > :33:34.noble Lords who have spoken far. Their contributions if I might say

:33:35. > :33:40.so I've been a bit local. My Lords, one cannot stress too strongly that

:33:41. > :33:46.what is in happening in the aftermath of the referendum is being

:33:47. > :33:52.watched around the globe. The country was heavily dependent as

:33:53. > :33:56.ours is an overseas investment, should be paid attention to. Not too

:33:57. > :34:04.many articles cut in the world press, to put it mildly, see Britain

:34:05. > :34:16.and free from the tentacled monster from the EU. This pain is often

:34:17. > :34:24.pervaded humour as we often know very well. It shows a plane with a

:34:25. > :34:30.EU symbol on its side. The hatch door is open, and a man in a bowler

:34:31. > :34:35.hat for some reason who the rest of the world thinks the British still

:34:36. > :34:40.wear bowler hats, the door is open, and a man in a bowler hat waving a

:34:41. > :35:43.tiny union Jack is poised to jump out. But without a parachute.

:35:44. > :35:51.There is a huge repair job to do here, my lords, for all of us. This

:35:52. > :36:00.House can take the lead in some of it. My lords, the metaphor of Basil

:36:01. > :36:05.Fawlty jumping out of the playing might turn out to be worrying the

:36:06. > :36:09.accurate -- jumping out of the aeroplane. The outcome of the

:36:10. > :36:16.referendum will be determined by two things. Once Article 50 is invoked.

:36:17. > :36:20.First, how other nations, global markets and international investors

:36:21. > :36:26.respond. Second, what kind of deal the rest of the EU is able to come

:36:27. > :36:32.up with. I should remind noble lords that the European Union is not that

:36:33. > :36:39.mysterious entity brussels, but it is 27 nations collaborating. Over

:36:40. > :36:44.many of the issues, individual member states or small groups of

:36:45. > :36:49.them actually will have a detail. To be subject to this twin forces does

:36:50. > :36:54.not look much like increased sovereignty to me. The world today

:36:55. > :37:05.is so massively interdependent the real sovereignty comes only from

:37:06. > :37:08.collaboration with others. Whether it is the EU, Nato or the UN. My

:37:09. > :38:07.Lords, everybody sitting here... fundamental probes we face, and we

:38:08. > :38:12.all know this, too, that those who advocated leaving the EU and who won

:38:13. > :38:15.the day, have been quite unable to agree what Leave actually means. And

:38:16. > :38:21.their differences are quite profound. They were not resolved

:38:22. > :38:27.during the campaign but simply fudged. On the one side are the

:38:28. > :38:31.radical free marketeers, I would include noble Lord Lawson in that

:38:32. > :38:36.category, who think exiting the EU will free Britain to trade across

:38:37. > :38:41.the world and who are willing to abandon the civil market altogether.

:38:42. > :38:45.I exempt my noble Lord Lawson from my next comment which may not be

:38:46. > :38:51.true but they care little for tradition or for the past and

:38:52. > :38:58.certainly wouldn't agree with this, many are intuitively pro-migration.

:38:59. > :39:03.On the other, on the other hand, are those who have a nostalga for

:39:04. > :39:08.evaporating customs and life, who want to close the bored and retrieve

:39:09. > :39:17.lost sovereign ti. They are hostile to big business. These yawning

:39:18. > :39:22.ideological ditcheses my Lord account for the descent of the Leave

:39:23. > :39:25.campaign, epitomised by Boris Johnson's absurd remark in

:39:26. > :39:30.negotiations with the rest of the EU, he wanted to have his cake and

:39:31. > :39:34.eat T well, I suppose it makes it easy on the digestion. My Lords, the

:39:35. > :39:40.British people can only make a proper judgment when there is a

:39:41. > :39:44.plausible plan on the table, a firm outline of which has been agreed and

:39:45. > :39:50.accepted by the other 27 states in the EU.

:39:51. > :39:54.The core dilemma, my Lords s well-known but quite possibly could

:39:55. > :40:00.prove intractable. Not far off half of British exports go to the rest of

:40:01. > :40:05.the EU. Most are services rather than goods. I rather strongly

:40:06. > :40:13.disagree, again, with what the noble Lord Lawson says on this issue,

:40:14. > :40:16.because passporting, the absence of regulatory barriers to business is

:40:17. > :40:23.the key to success in this instance. That is not the same as the absence

:40:24. > :40:28.of tariffs. My Lords, exiting the single market

:40:29. > :40:32.even in the medium term would be hugely problematic, yet staying in

:40:33. > :40:38.almost certainly involves accepting freedom of movement. If there is a

:40:39. > :40:42.way out of this dilemma, no-one has discovered it yet.

:40:43. > :40:51.My Lords, precisely because there is no plan, there must be some sort, in

:40:52. > :40:54.my view, some sort of renewed and extensive public engaugement, if and

:40:55. > :40:58.when a deal is agreed with the rest of the EU and starts its passage

:40:59. > :41:02.through Parliament. I'm not sure, in my own mind what

:41:03. > :41:07.this should be but I wouldn't write-off the possibility of another

:41:08. > :41:13.referendum down the line, or an election in which this figures as

:41:14. > :41:18.the prime issue. My Lords, the tone adopted by the

:41:19. > :41:24.leading politicians at times, during the referendum debate was nothing

:41:25. > :41:28.short of racial incitement to hatred and demonstrated the worst of

:41:29. > :41:32.British politics. I was so dismayed and concerned by

:41:33. > :41:38.the tone and exaggerations of the debate that I wrote to the Cabinet

:41:39. > :41:42.Secretary Sir Jeremy Haywood on 13th June, drawing his attention to the

:41:43. > :41:46.fact that some ministers were failing to comply with the

:41:47. > :41:50.Ministerial Code and the seven principles of public life which

:41:51. > :41:56.include maintaining the highest standards of integrity and honesty.

:41:57. > :42:01.But, despite the scaremongering about minority groups, immigrants,

:42:02. > :42:06.Turkey joining the EU and Turkish Muslims and I quote, "Swamping the

:42:07. > :42:10.UK." We must not confuse the Leave vote as made of of people who are

:42:11. > :42:15.entirely far route in their political views or who are mostly

:42:16. > :42:24.racist or zenophobic. But I agree with my colleague, Tim

:42:25. > :42:27.Farron who states, "It has been absolutely heart-breaking to see the

:42:28. > :42:31.racist attacks following the referendum, many warn that the

:42:32. > :42:35.rhetoric of Farage and the Leave campaign could lead to a rise in the

:42:36. > :42:39.intolerance we are now seeing ""We must be clear that the outcome of

:42:40. > :42:47.the referendum was not a green light to xenophobia. It must not be

:42:48. > :42:54.allowed to damage the multicultural, multiethnic and multi-faith society

:42:55. > :42:58.that Britain is and will remain. A vote to leave the EU is not and

:42:59. > :43:03.should not be seen as a victory for the far right no. Serious leader

:43:04. > :43:07.should fall back to regressive policies that demonise minorities,

:43:08. > :43:13.communities or put in place policy which undermine our civil liberties.

:43:14. > :43:17.The tone used in debates around immigration was disgraceful. And

:43:18. > :43:23.those politicians who took part in such attacks should hang their heads

:43:24. > :43:31.in disgrace. It's imperative now, that all politicians must give clear

:43:32. > :43:35.leadership in uniting and condemning racism, xenophobia and work towards

:43:36. > :43:42.stressing the importance of the key roles that EU nationals play in

:43:43. > :43:46.making Britain, and the UK a success in every aspect of our daily lives.

:43:47. > :43:54.We are all, my Lords, most lay nation of immigrants. It is merely a

:43:55. > :43:57.question of time. But I accept that there are legitimate questions and

:43:58. > :44:03.concerns about the state of our public sector and the services

:44:04. > :44:10.within it. I just want it share some fact with you, o on polling. They

:44:11. > :44:16.are thus: those working full-time port-time voted Remain in the EU.

:44:17. > :44:21.Most of those not working voted to leave. More than half of those

:44:22. > :44:32.retired, on a private pension, voted to leave. As did two-thirds of those

:44:33. > :44:38.retired on a state pension. Around two-thirds of council and housing

:44:39. > :44:43.association tennants voted to leave. Among those whose formal education

:44:44. > :44:46.ended at secondary school or earlier, a large majority voted to

:44:47. > :44:53.leave. There is a pattern here, my Lords. The polls demonstrate that

:44:54. > :44:58.many disadvantaged people in poorer communities voted to leave the EU

:44:59. > :45:04.because, as they say, and I have heard them say this - they had

:45:05. > :45:08.nothing more to lose. David Camerons a often expressed the simple message

:45:09. > :45:15.- if you want to work hard, get on in life, this Government will be on

:45:16. > :45:19.your side. Yet, the terrible tax credit cuts which were envisaged by

:45:20. > :45:24.the Chancellor and would have affected over 3 million Britons and

:45:25. > :45:31.which supplemented low-paid work, exposed the who will yesness of this

:45:32. > :45:33.claim. Although the Chancellor reversed these cuts, very

:45:34. > :45:37.regrettably, when people move on to Universal Credit, many of the

:45:38. > :45:40.larger, poorer families, will again be disadvantaged.

:45:41. > :45:46.Yesterday, it was announced that there would be a cut in the

:45:47. > :45:50.corporation tax. This is likely to mostly benefit larger businesses and

:45:51. > :45:55.corporations. Benefits are not likely to translate into many more

:45:56. > :45:59.jobs and so will do little for those needing help and support in

:46:00. > :46:03.disadvantaged communities. Indeed, cuts in corporation tax may lead to

:46:04. > :46:07.further cuts in public spending, such as in the NHS and in the

:46:08. > :46:13.welfare budget, as the Chancellor tries to make difficult ends meet.

:46:14. > :46:18.Clearly successive governments have failed to listen and to act on

:46:19. > :46:21.improving the life of the most disadvantaged and vulnerable in our

:46:22. > :46:26.society. You only have to visit places in the north of England to

:46:27. > :46:29.see derelict housing, poor transport, infrastructure, and

:46:30. > :46:34.struggling communities. Governments have talked the talk but talk and

:46:35. > :46:40.slogans have not translated into concerted action. The northern

:46:41. > :46:44.powerhouse is one such example. Of course, many people have legitimate

:46:45. > :46:48.concerns about access for hospitals, access to GPs, access to good

:46:49. > :46:53.schools, access to good transport, infrastructure. Access to affordable

:46:54. > :46:59.housing and decent paid permanent jobs. But, my Lords, it is the poor

:47:00. > :47:04.and the disadvantaged who feel these issues much more acutely because

:47:05. > :47:09.they often find themselves and their families trapped in low-paid jobs,

:47:10. > :47:15.inadequate and expensive housing and greater levels of ill-health.

:47:16. > :47:23.Social justice and reform must work for everybody, ensuring that

:47:24. > :47:30.everybody has the best chance of life. Surely, my Lords, it is right

:47:31. > :47:34.of everybody, and not only the privilege of those with power and

:47:35. > :47:38.influence. The results of the referendum to leave the EU is likely

:47:39. > :47:42.to mean that inflation is likely to rise and benefits will continue to

:47:43. > :47:49.be frozen. This will hit the spending power of people on

:47:50. > :47:53.disability benefits, those who are job-seekers and those on low pay.

:47:54. > :47:59.Brexit voting pensioners have already seen their annuity values

:48:00. > :48:04.crashing. Clearly the disadvantaged people in every area who voted out

:48:05. > :48:09.will be worst hit by job losses and high inflation. Can the noble lady

:48:10. > :48:14.the Minister say what the Government is doing to mitigate against this?

:48:15. > :48:19.The Government has set out its life chances strategy to tackle poverty,

:48:20. > :48:26.aimed at Trounce transforming the lives of the poorest in Britain with

:48:27. > :48:30.the role of tackling the root causes of poverty, drug and alcohol

:48:31. > :48:36.addiction, serious personal debt, worklessness, family breakdown,

:48:37. > :48:42.educational attainment. But it has admitted to include income as a

:48:43. > :48:46.means of getting on in life. The Government, in my view, also needs

:48:47. > :48:52.to look at Rhys Gilling and upscaling people in poorly paid

:48:53. > :48:58.part-time jobs -- re-skilling. We need now a new and inclusive vision,

:48:59. > :49:02.new and honest politics which gives hope to wall at our nation. Most

:49:03. > :49:07.important, my Lords, to those who need as the most. Because we want

:49:08. > :49:13.and inclusive, tolerant, equal and fair society committed to a new set

:49:14. > :49:18.of values of their lives and hope. Fascinating speech, I am sure the

:49:19. > :49:21.House is very impressed with it. But can she tell us where she got the

:49:22. > :49:29.data from to see how individual voters voted, which way they voted

:49:30. > :49:33.Wesley my Lords, it was from the polls that Lord Ashcroft took and

:49:34. > :49:38.was mentioned in the Guardian newspaper as well. I agree, I pay

:49:39. > :49:44.tribute to a remarkable speech of the Archbishop of Canterbury. I

:49:45. > :49:48.cannot match that, and therefore it will be more mundane. I want to make

:49:49. > :49:56.six points about article 50. First, the reference in the first clause of

:49:57. > :49:59.Article 50 two the member state deciding in accordance with its own

:50:00. > :50:05.constitutional requirements. This has been much discussed, including

:50:06. > :50:09.this morning. The intention of the phrase was simply to make the point

:50:10. > :50:15.about how the decision is reached is entirely a matter for the member

:50:16. > :50:20.state. Just as with ratification procedures, there is no EU template.

:50:21. > :50:23.So the question of whether a UK parliamentary procedure is required

:50:24. > :50:28.is one for the UK Parliament, and nothing to do with anybody in

:50:29. > :50:34.Brussels. There is no relevant EU law, it is not an EU issue. I myself

:50:35. > :50:39.am inclined to agree, although I am not a lawyer, with the noble lord's

:50:40. > :50:43.argument, that there should be a parliamentary procedure. But that is

:50:44. > :50:50.not because I would wish to devote against leaving if there were a vote

:50:51. > :50:54.here -- I would wish to vote. We are where we are, and in the light of

:50:55. > :50:58.the referendum result I would be in favour of leaving. Of course I

:50:59. > :51:01.believe it is a serious mistake, our influence across the world will be

:51:02. > :51:05.much diminished. Of course I think it will be a disaster for our

:51:06. > :51:12.economy and lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty.

:51:13. > :51:17.And of course I am sad and angry that the case against the

:51:18. > :51:21.referendum, the case for representative government and

:51:22. > :51:24.democracy has been conferred by a campaign marked by a responsibility,

:51:25. > :51:34.a campaign in which assertion has trumped -- fact and argument. As the

:51:35. > :51:38.justice Minister said, the people in the country are fed up with experts.

:51:39. > :51:43.I am determined to be dispassionate today! We are where we are, and of

:51:44. > :51:46.the Government acts with the Lord's advice and puts a resolution to the

:51:47. > :51:50.House, I believe that that resolution should and would pass.

:51:51. > :51:56.Second point, there are those who are due for a different question,

:51:57. > :52:01.for the repeal of the 1972 act. Lord Lawson argues. I disagree for two

:52:02. > :52:05.reasons. First, my understanding, supported by the report from the

:52:06. > :52:11.committee is that where a treaty sets out a procedure, in this case

:52:12. > :52:14.as a session procedure, other than by that procedure would break

:52:15. > :52:20.international law as well as the EU law. It would of course also poison

:52:21. > :52:27.the atmosphere for any continuing year shisha in Brussels. Also,

:52:28. > :52:31.although -- any continuing negotiation. I do not believe it

:52:32. > :52:39.would make sense to destroy the foundation on which so much law is

:52:40. > :52:42.based, so many statutory intervals are based, without first deciding

:52:43. > :52:50.which to relabel and retain, which to adjust and which to then fall.

:52:51. > :52:57.And, my Lords, the small state anti-welfare libertarian avoid

:52:58. > :53:01.saying which they would vote for, health care, protection, equality,

:53:02. > :53:04.the environment, consumer protection, we know that they are

:53:05. > :53:12.not just against Brussels regulation, some of them or against

:53:13. > :53:17.regulation per se. That is easy to say in general terms. It is rather

:53:18. > :53:21.hard when it comes down to specific regulations. I think we need a more

:53:22. > :53:28.honest and deeper debate before the repeal of the act. My third point,

:53:29. > :53:33.timing. Some in Brussels and some here say that we must immediately

:53:34. > :53:38.press the article 50 bottom. And some over that say there must be no

:53:39. > :53:43.talking to us until we have. This is errant nonsense. There is no legal

:53:44. > :53:47.basis for it, it is entirely up to the member state to decide when to

:53:48. > :53:51.issue the formal notification. And it seems to me that it would be very

:53:52. > :53:55.wise for the new Prime Minister, whoever she is, first to take time

:53:56. > :53:59.to study the issues and talk to her new colleagues. Mr Johnson complains

:54:00. > :54:05.that the Government has no Brexit plan. How could it have a Brexit

:54:06. > :54:09.plan when he issued no manifesto on which to base this by? And when,

:54:10. > :54:16.judging by his article last week in the Daily Telegraph, he is still on

:54:17. > :54:21.his consistent policy on Kate, our goods are to have free access

:54:22. > :54:26.throughout the single market but we will not recognise the ECG, we will

:54:27. > :54:31.play football but not bring ROV referee, our people will be free to

:54:32. > :54:37.work across Europe but there's cannot come here. Lewis Carroll, the

:54:38. > :54:40.red Queen, six impossible things before breakfast. We do need to

:54:41. > :54:46.plan, but Brussels have to wait until we have got one, and it must

:54:47. > :54:50.not be placed on Daily Mail thinking. Paul Baker told the

:54:51. > :54:56.country last Saturday, he is no longer campaigning, he has won. Last

:54:57. > :54:58.Saturday he told us that Brexit carried no terrorism because

:54:59. > :55:02.services are not in the single market. I quote the Daily Mail

:55:03. > :55:07.media, services are not in the single market. I think I have been

:55:08. > :55:12.unfair to him, I had thought his campaign was driven by an insular

:55:13. > :55:21.ideology, and I think it is probably just plain ignorance. I am being

:55:22. > :55:23.dispassionate today. My dispassionate point is that the

:55:24. > :55:26.timing of our triggering Article 50 is entirely up to us, whatever

:55:27. > :55:30.Brussels says. .4, a point about sequencing. Article 50 is about

:55:31. > :55:36.withdrawal, it is about divorce. Some in Brussels have said, wrongly

:55:37. > :55:41.in my view, but there can be no trade talks with us until the

:55:42. > :55:45.divorce is few. I refer them to article 50 paragraph two, the

:55:46. > :55:50.reference for taking account of the framework for future relationships

:55:51. > :55:53.of the union. How could the parties to the treaty respect that unless

:55:54. > :55:57.they were in parallel agreeing such a framework, the architecture of the

:55:58. > :56:02.future, the principles on which the new partnerships should be based?

:56:03. > :56:06.Detailed discussion of future relations in trade, finance,

:56:07. > :56:10.aviation, foreign policy, the fight against crime, all of that will take

:56:11. > :56:12.years. But there is a treaty to establish the framework before the

:56:13. > :56:16.arguments of the divorce terms are agreed, and the Brussels

:56:17. > :56:20.institutions will have to accept that. I would add that rowing

:56:21. > :56:26.preparations for that separate parallel subtle thingy is

:56:27. > :56:30.negotiation with much, much more complex -- parallel negotiations.

:56:31. > :56:33.Fifth point, the point in which I part company with the noble lord. In

:56:34. > :56:40.his Times article he referred to them notification under article 50

:56:41. > :56:44.is irrevocable. He used that as a flying buttress to support his

:56:45. > :56:48.principal argument which I do agree with about his need for a prior act

:56:49. > :56:52.of Parliament. I do not think he needs such a buttress, I also think

:56:53. > :56:57.it is a rather fragile one. Nothing in the treaty says that a

:56:58. > :57:03.notification cannot be withdrawn, nor does it say the opposite. If on

:57:04. > :57:06.discovering from the article 50 framework negotiations what out

:57:07. > :57:10.looks like we were to change our mind, I don't believe our partners

:57:11. > :57:15.would say, too late, had you must go. Some might be unhappy, like the

:57:16. > :57:21.prodigal sons, some might be tempted to seek a price or be speculative.

:57:22. > :57:26.My point, highly academic books relevant to the concerns that the

:57:27. > :57:31.Butler has been advancing, simply that there is no treaty basis for

:57:32. > :57:35.regarding an article 50 notification as irrevocable. My last point has

:57:36. > :57:44.already been made and it is brief. I pay tribute to Lord Dobbs, it gives

:57:45. > :57:48.me great pleasure. EU citizens here, hate crime and bargaining chips.

:57:49. > :57:53.This is no way to create a good atmosphere in a foreign negotiation.

:57:54. > :57:55.I have to tell the House that incidents are being very well

:57:56. > :58:01.reported across the continental press. I don't need to add to what

:58:02. > :58:06.has been eloquently said from all sides of the House, but I do hope

:58:07. > :58:10.the Foreign Secretary and Home Secretary are listening and will

:58:11. > :58:14.reflect again on what they said yesterday. Student politics may have

:58:15. > :58:18.trashed the country, but now it is time for the grown-ups to reassert

:58:19. > :58:25.themselves, reassert our values and restore our reputation.

:58:26. > :58:34.My Lords, in 1997I stood before you to deliver my maiden speech. My

:58:35. > :58:38.priority was to draw attention to the ludicrous EU regulations that

:58:39. > :58:41.were inflating the cost of theatre productions in mainland Europe,

:58:42. > :58:46.almost doubling ticket prices as a consequence. Today, thanks to us

:58:47. > :58:51.being forced to adopt some of these regulations, unfortunately our

:58:52. > :58:55.ticket prices are creeping up to. Whilst EU practices have undoubtedly

:58:56. > :58:59.cause problems, I am not here today to burden you with further industry

:59:00. > :59:04.specific tales of woe. For these, as with almost every other issue, pale

:59:05. > :59:07.into insignificance when impaired to what I believe to be the greatest

:59:08. > :59:11.threat to our people for a generation. My Lords, this is on the

:59:12. > :59:19.oubliette time of great uncertainty for a country. -- undoubtably. While

:59:20. > :59:24.these issues are of its importance, I fear that if we continue to look

:59:25. > :59:27.amongst ourselves and continue to work out what has happened to our

:59:28. > :59:31.countries is the referendum, we are at the same time walking blindly

:59:32. > :59:34.into a threat, the gravity of which far surpasses any of the issues

:59:35. > :59:39.which we have indulged ourselves into date. My Lords, let us not

:59:40. > :59:44.forget that last week's commemoration of the Somme, when

:59:45. > :59:50.more than 70,000 British servicemen lost their lives, it is a stark

:59:51. > :59:54.reminder when a continent was jeopardised for a generation. Today

:59:55. > :59:58.my Lords, I believe Europe is once again facing a terrible threat, and

:59:59. > :00:03.the security of the continent is in the balance. The greatest single

:00:04. > :00:07.threat to peace in both the UK and Europe, and with a possibility and

:00:08. > :00:12.safety, is Putin's unopposed meddling in Syria. While the

:00:13. > :00:15.situation was not created by President Putin, his actions and

:00:16. > :00:19.involvement remain a cause for huge concern. Over the past six months,

:00:20. > :00:25.Russian bombs have decimated hospitals, schools, markets and

:00:26. > :00:30.homes in Syria. It has killed many people. He has displaced millions

:00:31. > :00:34.more, and in doing so has played an active role in fuelling the European

:00:35. > :00:38.and migrant crisis. Whilst the United Kingdom and Europe oral over

:00:39. > :00:45.what sort of trade agreements we mail may not have in a few years'

:00:46. > :00:48.time, Putin's involvement is steadily destabilising our European

:00:49. > :00:54.borders and unleashing a sinister echo of the Somme which we saw,

:00:55. > :00:59.never again. Be under no illusion, my Lords, Putin's forces rage, not

:01:00. > :01:04.just against those in combat but against civilians, too. When the

:01:05. > :01:09.referendum was called, the Syrian migration crisis hadn't exploded.

:01:10. > :01:12.Now the goalposts have moved, and they continue to move all around

:01:13. > :01:19.Europe in many different ways. The present conflict in Ukraine, Moldova

:01:20. > :01:22.and Georgia as well as the provocations to Nato members demand

:01:23. > :01:26.that we recognise that the Moscow regime has been a huge threat to the

:01:27. > :01:30.security and stability of Europe, and it is Putin who continues to

:01:31. > :01:34.move the goalposts with ever more devastating consequences. Whilst we

:01:35. > :01:39.ourselves else in the aftermath of a referendum on the rest of Europe

:01:40. > :01:46.tries to make sense of our decision, Putin carries on his. Parents'

:01:47. > :01:53.generation sacrificed their lives for peace. Now we must sure we are

:01:54. > :01:58.trustworthy custodians. I shudder at how Putin must be looking at our

:01:59. > :02:03.prevails with glee. He has directly or indirectly made historic

:02:04. > :02:08.divisions bubbled to the surface again. Things are working out well

:02:09. > :02:12.for him. He knew the refugee crisis with strained Europe to breaking

:02:13. > :02:17.point, and he was right. In quitting Europe, I fear we are hastening

:02:18. > :02:22.Putin's dream of the break-up of the EU, and potentially Western

:02:23. > :02:25.civilisation. Austria recently missed collecting an extreme

:02:26. > :02:34.right-wing president, I understand this election is to be rerun. Marina

:02:35. > :02:38.-- Marine Le Pen could become President of France next year. The

:02:39. > :02:43.Putin fuelled refugee crisis undermined Angela Merkel, once the

:02:44. > :02:47.most powerful and stable politician in Europe, the German far right is

:02:48. > :02:51.back in business. Now, more than ever, we must stand united as a

:02:52. > :02:54.country and continent to on our reputation as a great kingdom and

:02:55. > :03:04.provide the moderating voice Europe needs in order to remain peaceful.

:03:05. > :03:16.I hope we don't look back at incredulity, whilst failing to help

:03:17. > :03:23.those in desperate need and missing one of the greatest tlefts our

:03:24. > :03:32.lifetime looming on the horizon. My Lords, our nation's safety and the

:03:33. > :03:38.safety of our people has to be an overriding priority. . Discussions

:03:39. > :03:44.about the future of our chin and our children's children are fool hardy

:03:45. > :03:49.and misguided if first we have not addressed that safety. Much was

:03:50. > :03:57.talked about during the referendum of securing their future. They will

:03:58. > :04:03.have no future if Putin's continued involvement remains unchecked. So

:04:04. > :04:09.instead, my Lords, we need to seize the nifsh and to quickly see

:04:10. > :04:14.ourselves as a nation that -- initiative and see ourselves as a

:04:15. > :04:20.nation that looks outwards geared for the danger and like our parents

:04:21. > :04:26.before us, pull together despite the mayhem. I welcome the Defence

:04:27. > :04:32.Committee's report regards to the Russian security. It questions our

:04:33. > :04:37.Russian strategy. It expresses a fear that Putin is ememploying many

:04:38. > :04:40.of the tactics that terrorised generations before us. The committee

:04:41. > :04:43.has called for improved communication and a greater

:04:44. > :04:50.understanding of the Russian mindset, which is also a vital one.

:04:51. > :04:57.By contrast, the infamiliarly it tone of some of the spokes people in

:04:58. > :05:03.Brussels, fills me with dread. Now more than ever, we need to build

:05:04. > :05:08.bridges and the next Prime Minister needs to restore the faith, trust

:05:09. > :05:12.and good will between this country and our European neighbours. Without

:05:13. > :05:18.that we have nothing and I fear we leave ourselves and our children

:05:19. > :05:26.open to an insecure and consequently frightening future. My Lords, I

:05:27. > :05:39.honestly believe, we are in a race against time, which is why I feel

:05:40. > :05:48.compelled to speak today with a very real sense of urgency. There is no

:05:49. > :05:54.time to lose. While do not claim to have the answers, raising this

:05:55. > :05:59.question in order that we tackle it head of on, United together is the

:06:00. > :06:05.best way to avoid a situation that has the potential to be perilous,

:06:06. > :06:10.not just for our people, not just for our country but for Europe at

:06:11. > :06:16.large. There is a challenge in this country. A challenge with which we

:06:17. > :06:23.in this particular House have to cope. What is now to come and how we

:06:24. > :06:29.should deal with it. First, I commend to the House many of the

:06:30. > :06:35.speeches that have given us a role of a special responsibility to help

:06:36. > :06:40.restore confidence in our political system. Last Friday's Economist'

:06:41. > :06:55.front page - anarchy in the UK. I read a lot of the continental press

:06:56. > :07:02.every day of the week, for the last week to ten days, similar headlines

:07:03. > :07:07.quite apart from a degree of consternation that exists within our

:07:08. > :07:11.own country. Capacity for calm and reasoned debate is very necessary.

:07:12. > :07:16.In particular, if the Government, because of their election of a

:07:17. > :07:20.leader, do not institute significant action until September we have a

:07:21. > :07:27.short and a long-term obligation. Next we should reassure all of us in

:07:28. > :07:32.the polical system about principles and process. I suspect many that

:07:33. > :07:36.voted Leave voted for their re-Septemberment not for their

:07:37. > :07:40.appreciation of one side or the other.

:07:41. > :07:51.We should resolve in the action that we need to take. A plan, not a plan

:07:52. > :07:56.to have a plan, a plan that includes the basis of a coherent strategy.

:07:57. > :08:05.Using professionalism, we should go out and recruit. There is no reason

:08:06. > :08:09.why we shouldn't. We shouldn't be concerned by the competence of our

:08:10. > :08:16.civil servants. Trade negotiations are conducted by trade experts, not

:08:17. > :08:22.solicitors. By the way, we have one in the House. Lord Mandelson was

:08:23. > :08:26.actually the Commissioner for trade in Europe for four years, and

:08:27. > :08:35.negotiated with the PTO. So talking about cross-party Corporation is

:08:36. > :08:42.almost professional involvement. Business and finance, especially

:08:43. > :08:47.small business. Multinationals have the most direct effect on themselves

:08:48. > :08:54.and on the workers, as well as the City of London. Let's base the

:08:55. > :09:00.strategy on realities. If we are going to negotiate, I was for

:09:01. > :09:07.Remain, but negotiation is hard talking. 60% of the continental

:09:08. > :09:20.trade of the European Union comes to the UK. -- 16%. Over ?1 trillion of

:09:21. > :09:27.assets is managed in London but there by European investors. German

:09:28. > :09:32.cars, do we really think the Germans are going to give up on it? One of

:09:33. > :09:38.there own confederations of business last week described an attempt to

:09:39. > :09:50.strop that trade is very foolish if their own government supported it.

:09:51. > :10:01.French wine, Spanish tourism. Italy. 20% of GDP is represented. The

:10:02. > :10:05.growth Pact is no longer working. It is up the cost of the poorer

:10:06. > :10:14.countries. We have to be realistic and tough, and I am a Remain man.

:10:15. > :10:22.And lastly, in these negotiations we have to do walkabout alternatives.

:10:23. > :10:26.-- we have to talk about. Of course we must be friends with the other,

:10:27. > :10:37.but we tell the other side, this is what we want, what else? In the

:10:38. > :10:45.negotiations themselves, President Eisenhower once said, fairness in

:10:46. > :10:50.support of fundamentals, with flexibility and tactics and method

:10:51. > :11:00.is the key to progress in negotiations. Firmness in

:11:01. > :11:06.fundamentals and with flexibility. Timing, the way you put things from

:11:07. > :11:12.one period to the next, is critical. Reporting back to Parliament,

:11:13. > :11:18.indispensable. As you must do to maintain public confidence. And

:11:19. > :11:27.then, the final deal, what is to happen then? Lastly, before I finish

:11:28. > :11:34.on new markets, what about the effect of article 50 of our politics

:11:35. > :11:38.generally? There is a period until which we trigger it, let's say three

:11:39. > :11:43.to six months, there could be an early agreement, highly unlikely. Or

:11:44. > :11:53.at the end of two years, we are out. Unless there is a unanimous mood to

:11:54. > :11:57.extend it. Do we realise that runs through, until that alternative

:11:58. > :12:01.occurs, pretty much the whole life of the rest of this Parliament?

:12:02. > :12:08.Indeed, it could go into the next general election. What will that be

:12:09. > :12:22.then compare to the referendum we have just had?

:12:23. > :12:33.In the United States' Congress last Friday there was proposed a new Bill

:12:34. > :12:38.by Republicans, by I understand with some Democratic support, which is

:12:39. > :12:45.designed to open the prospect of a United States' agreement with the UK

:12:46. > :12:50.on trade. That might bring us into or next to Mexico, Canada. I'm not

:12:51. > :12:57.recommending it. I'm just pointing out that now there is an

:12:58. > :13:03.alternative. Latin America, we built the place in the 19th Semplery. 500

:13:04. > :13:10.million people. Vast energy, infrastructure and other prospects

:13:11. > :13:18.that we could supply and lastly, China, the Commonwealth, India, all

:13:19. > :13:21.of those are economic factors. One farewell factor, which is extremely

:13:22. > :13:30.important, geopolitical issues, which bind us to Europe, whether we

:13:31. > :13:35.are in the union or not - terrorism, human trafficking, the refugees from

:13:36. > :13:44.conflict. They will still be there, if we leave the European Union. And

:13:45. > :13:52.last of all, NATO. The Americans may talk to Germany and France out of

:13:53. > :14:01.necessity if we leave but in fact they are, as far as we're concerned,

:14:02. > :14:10.the preferred ally. Before I finish, can we just,

:14:11. > :14:12.bearing that in mind, remember the German Foreign Minister, last

:14:13. > :14:14.Friday, condemning NATO for war-mongering military exercises in

:14:15. > :14:18.Poland. Europe is not going to go away, whatever we decide on this

:14:19. > :14:24.particular issue. My Lords it is a pleasure for me to follow my noble

:14:25. > :14:31.friend, Lord Brennan and the whole House will have appreciated his

:14:32. > :14:34.profound insight. The noble Lord, Lord Lloyd Webber made a compelling

:14:35. > :14:39.speech about European Union cohesion which I and most other members of

:14:40. > :14:44.this House will have whole heartedly endorsed. I should, my Lords, draw

:14:45. > :14:50.the house's attention to my entries in the register of interests. My

:14:51. > :14:55.Lords, I have always been against joining the European single Curran

:14:56. > :14:59.sane campaigned against us joining. Nevertheless, I very much support

:15:00. > :15:06.our continuing membership of the European Union on the terms

:15:07. > :15:12.negotiated by the Prime Minister. The referendum was held at a

:15:13. > :15:18.particularly inauspicious time. The Government's accumulated debt is in

:15:19. > :15:31.excess of 1.5 trillion, which is over 80% of our GDP. The annual

:15:32. > :15:38.deficit, ogt hitherto it has been following was ?79 billion in the

:15:39. > :15:43.year it March 2015. Our current account deficit continues to run

:15:44. > :15:49.dangerously high. In the past we have funded our huge current account

:15:50. > :15:54.deficit with foreign direct investment, some of which is both

:15:55. > :16:01.volatile and is able to be moved extremely fast. As the Governor of

:16:02. > :16:08.the Bank of England said, during the referendum campaign, "We rely on the

:16:09. > :16:14.kindness of strangers." Despite the referendum result, my Lords, and the

:16:15. > :16:18.downgrading by the rating agencies, it appears that Government tenure

:16:19. > :16:24.bonds can still be sold at a coupon of less than 1%. # the Chancellor

:16:25. > :16:27.has abandoned the fiscal squeeze. The Governor of the Bank of England,

:16:28. > :16:30.has stated that he will take all necessary actions to protect the

:16:31. > :16:37.economy. My Lords, we are still credit-worthy

:16:38. > :16:43.but I suspect that market sentiment will change, if we serve an Article

:16:44. > :16:47.50 notice. Before the referendum and probably as a result of the

:16:48. > :16:52.imspending referendum, the economy was showing signs of slowing down.

:16:53. > :16:56.Since the referendum result, and from my experience and discussions

:16:57. > :17:03.with business people, it appears that the slowdown is gathering pace.

:17:04. > :17:08.Deals are falling through, or are being renegotiated, and I would draw

:17:09. > :17:13.the House's attention to reports in last weekend's Financial Times of

:17:14. > :17:14.major City of London property deals that have since the referendum

:17:15. > :17:25.result, now fallen through. My Lords, asset prices, particularly

:17:26. > :17:33.real property, often provide the underlying security for much lending

:17:34. > :17:37.to small and medium-sized businesses. And companies.

:17:38. > :17:44.Currently, it is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to fix

:17:45. > :17:48.a value for real property, except perhaps at a vastly discounted

:17:49. > :17:53.price. This is a dangerous situation, and I am in differing

:17:54. > :17:55.personally to advise borrowers and lenders and other commercial

:17:56. > :18:00.businesses against the backdrop of these very difficult conditions.

:18:01. > :18:03.There are reports of many companies freezing their recruitment, and in

:18:04. > :18:08.some cases, unfortunately, job losses. The evidence for these

:18:09. > :18:16.reports will start to come through in August, when the July figures are

:18:17. > :18:20.published. I hope that the Bank of England and the Treasury will

:18:21. > :18:25.monitor closely the effects of Brexit on our small and medium-sized

:18:26. > :18:30.enterprises, which are the bedrock of our economy and provide so much

:18:31. > :18:37.employment for our fellow citizens. My Lords, we are not alone in Europe

:18:38. > :18:41.in having a crisis of confidence in globalisation, and, to some extent,

:18:42. > :18:46.the institutions of the European Union. Support for the National

:18:47. > :18:51.Front in France is rising in the polls. Support for the AFD in

:18:52. > :18:55.Germany is rising in the polls. There will be elections in both

:18:56. > :19:01.countries next year. The United Kingdom is the second largest

:19:02. > :19:06.economy in the European Union, and is important to the European Union.

:19:07. > :19:11.Italy is facing major problems with its banking industry. All the

:19:12. > :19:17.foregoing is should act as incentives for the European Union,

:19:18. > :19:24.with the United Kingdom, to negotiate some changes. That is even

:19:25. > :19:31.changes in freedom of movement. The noble lord Lord Lawson gave us his

:19:32. > :19:35.plan of what Brexit entails. He was quite clear that we should not

:19:36. > :19:38.bother to endeavour to negotiate access to the single market, because

:19:39. > :19:42.this would entail us allowing freedom of movement for EU user to

:19:43. > :19:47.lose. It really is a great shame that this perspective was not put to

:19:48. > :19:51.the British people before the 23rd of June.

:19:52. > :19:58.I take the view that access to the single market is of greatest

:19:59. > :20:02.importance to our economy, for jobs and opportunities for individuals

:20:03. > :20:07.and businesses and for investment. It gives us great advantages, not

:20:08. > :20:10.least in our ability to ensure relatively straightforwardly that RX

:20:11. > :20:20.ports of goods and services to the single market are not unnecessarily

:20:21. > :20:25.impeded. I joined other noble lords in asking the leader to ensure that

:20:26. > :20:29.we have a definitive explanation as to whether Parliament has a role in

:20:30. > :20:37.the Article 50 process and the extend of that. While she also

:20:38. > :20:40.confirm that an amendment that -- and Article 50 notice, once

:20:41. > :20:47.observed, can only be withdrawn with the unanimous and said with the

:20:48. > :20:51.concern of the United Kingdom and all the other EU countries? My

:20:52. > :20:57.Lords, I much regret the decision to leave the EU. We are part of Europe

:20:58. > :21:03.and part of European civilisation. In an increasingly interconnected

:21:04. > :21:06.world, it is a dreadful state culturally, economic league,

:21:07. > :21:10.educationally, and for so many other reasons lost or abandoned the

:21:11. > :21:15.European Union -- dreadful mistake. It will cause damage and hardship to

:21:16. > :21:17.us all. Especially the younger generations, who voted in such large

:21:18. > :21:31.numbers to remain. My Lords, I start by making clear

:21:32. > :21:34.that while I joined Lord Bernat and other noble lords in greatly

:21:35. > :21:37.regretting the outcome of the referendum, I believe that

:21:38. > :21:42.Government and Parliament must accept it, and act on it. This means

:21:43. > :21:49.that sooner or later, article 50 must be invoked. If an act of

:21:50. > :21:55.Parliament has to be passed to do so, Parliament should pass such

:21:56. > :22:00.legislation. I also accept that the campaign is over. Arguments of the

:22:01. > :22:02.British people were misled into making the decision are fruitless.

:22:03. > :22:09.The British people made their decision, and that is an end of the

:22:10. > :22:13.campaign. But the question is, does the outcome of the referendum

:22:14. > :22:19.prevent any further critical consideration of the decision to

:22:20. > :22:26.leave in the light of the emerging terms of which we do so? Let us

:22:27. > :22:31.imagine a possibility, which I acknowledge now seems unlikely, that

:22:32. > :22:37.the EU partners decide that it is in their best interest to give us

:22:38. > :22:42.access to the single market, combined with an acceptable degree

:22:43. > :22:48.of control over migration into the United Kingdom. Is the Government

:22:49. > :22:54.saying that our response has to be, no? The people have decided, albeit

:22:55. > :22:59.by a narrow majority that we must leave, and that is an end to the

:23:00. > :23:04.matter. Let us imagine, well, I'm afraid a may be more likely

:23:05. > :23:08.scenario. Namely that it becomes apparent that or economy is being so

:23:09. > :23:12.badly affected by our decision to leave that there is an overwhelming

:23:13. > :23:22.public demand to be able to think again. Let us say a petition, not of

:23:23. > :23:27.4 million people, but even of 17 or even 30 million people, let us

:23:28. > :23:35.imagine a third scenario, as the noble lord Lord Barnett outlined.

:23:36. > :23:41.The effect of the British decision causes such a climb up for reform,

:23:42. > :23:46.the member countries that the EU is compelled to make such reforms --

:23:47. > :23:51.causes such a clamour. For example, on free movement. Such reforms that

:23:52. > :23:56.are continued membership would be acceptable two aces van Schoor

:23:57. > :24:00.proportion of those who voted Leave. -- to as a central proportion. Is

:24:01. > :24:03.the position of Parliament and Government going to be so rigid that

:24:04. > :24:07.it says to the British people, no, you decided to my years ago to

:24:08. > :24:13.leave, leave you must. It would be one thing for our European partners

:24:14. > :24:17.to deny the British people the right to think again, although it is very

:24:18. > :24:22.down for that they could do so. It would be quite another thing for the

:24:23. > :24:27.British Government in two years' time to deny the British people any

:24:28. > :24:33.opportunity to change course, even if it becomes apparent that the road

:24:34. > :24:39.is leading over a cliff. My Lords, whatever the merits of a referendum

:24:40. > :24:44.process, and there are some, we have also to acknowledge its weaknesses.

:24:45. > :24:49.I'm grateful to a correspondent, who brought to my attention and article

:24:50. > :24:53.by the late Lord Beloff, a greatly respected member of this House who

:24:54. > :24:59.was Gladstone Professor of government and public administration

:25:00. > :25:02.at the University of Oxford. In that article, he argued that a referendum

:25:03. > :25:09.is only meaningful to the extent that clear alternatives are set

:25:10. > :25:15.before the electorate. In the absence of such clarity, and I quote

:25:16. > :25:19.Lord Beloff, the electorate would be indicating a very general bias, in

:25:20. > :25:25.one way or the other, and nothing more. Now, it may be argued that the

:25:26. > :25:33.referendum offered such clear alternatives. What could be clearer

:25:34. > :25:39.than Remain or Leave? But a moment's thought shows that it did not. One

:25:40. > :25:46.of the alternatives was clear. A modified business as usual by

:25:47. > :25:52.remaining within the EU. The other was anything but clear. The Leave

:25:53. > :25:59.alternative offers a whole range of different futures. Dependent on the

:26:00. > :26:02.outcome of uncertain negotiations and unpredictable market decisions.

:26:03. > :26:09.It is indeed a step into the unknown. So, let us go into the

:26:10. > :26:13.negotiations in good faith. Determined to get the best deal we

:26:14. > :26:18.can for the British people in accordance with their decision in

:26:19. > :26:22.the referendum. But it is in nobody's interests, not ours nor

:26:23. > :26:27.those of our partners, to rule out any possibility of a change of mind

:26:28. > :26:34.in response to events as they unfold over the next two years. If

:26:35. > :26:38.legislation has to be introduced to authorise the Government to trigger

:26:39. > :26:45.to go 50, I shall supported. But I should also support an amendment --

:26:46. > :26:50.to trigger Article 50. Provided that it does not become final until the

:26:51. > :26:54.end of the negotiations, the British people have had a further

:26:55. > :27:01.opportunity to make an informal decision through a general election

:27:02. > :27:07.or further referendum. My Lords, there is one word which stands out

:27:08. > :27:13.in reference to the recent EU referendum, and that word is

:27:14. > :27:18.division. The Right Reverend Primate Archbishop and many noble lords have

:27:19. > :27:23.stated this today. It was a divisive campaign. Some would say by both

:27:24. > :27:26.sides, but the divisions were clearly already simmering and ready

:27:27. > :27:32.to surface with the conditions allow them to. Divisions within our

:27:33. > :27:37.political parties and within our society, and divisions along

:27:38. > :27:42.national lines, where, in Scotland, the SNP government apparently

:27:43. > :27:48.unwilling to accept the legitimacy of a UK wide referendum is already

:27:49. > :27:52.calling out for another independence referendum, and fermenting fresh

:27:53. > :27:57.divisions north of the border. Of course, I would like to think that

:27:58. > :28:05.the majority who voted to remain in the EU or to leave did so purely on

:28:06. > :28:08.a point of principle. For those like me, the economic argument for

:28:09. > :28:13.staying in the EU was an obvious one. And as a former chairwoman of

:28:14. > :28:16.CBI Scotland I have been making those arguments on numerous

:28:17. > :28:24.occasions on behalf of members. But as the owner of a small company, I

:28:25. > :28:30.can also understand why others with CBE you as an overly bureaucratic

:28:31. > :28:33.machine -- would see the EU. It impacts small business in particular

:28:34. > :28:39.in a negative way. But that is neither here nor there. We have the

:28:40. > :28:42.result on the EU, and we must begin the task on developing a new

:28:43. > :28:50.strategy to succeed economically and globally. And I would like to point

:28:51. > :28:54.noble lords to a debate on Thursday on this particular subject. Today, I

:28:55. > :29:00.would like to confine my remarks to that word, division. What has

:29:01. > :29:05.emerged from this referendum is that a whole swathe of the population

:29:06. > :29:11.have harboured real resentments, and the Vote Leave has been a means of

:29:12. > :29:15.protest. The social and economic gap which has grown over recent decades

:29:16. > :29:23.has created an inequitable society, and that is a right condition for

:29:24. > :29:28.blame, and particularly for blaming those who look different or speak a

:29:29. > :29:31.different language or have a different culture or religion. Of

:29:32. > :29:36.course, the vast majority of British people who voted to leave the EU did

:29:37. > :29:42.so as a consequence of their genuine concerns. But there were those on

:29:43. > :29:48.the Leave side who disgracefully drew on those resentments and fears

:29:49. > :29:53.when its sole focus became immigration. My Lords, there is only

:29:54. > :30:00.one word for it, we don't like to use it, but it is the only one that

:30:01. > :30:06.fits, and that is racism. Because this is not just about people from

:30:07. > :30:11.the EU, that infamous poster with Nigel Farage said it all. And the

:30:12. > :30:17.racist attacks and verbal abuse since this referendum reflects that

:30:18. > :30:22.it is not just our EU citizens. The P and N words have been used

:30:23. > :30:27.abundantly. And indeed, this has been of such concern in the days

:30:28. > :30:31.since the referendum that the Prime Minister and other senior

:30:32. > :30:35.politicians have made public payments condemning such behaviour.

:30:36. > :30:42.Since 1968, successive governments in this country have worked hard to

:30:43. > :30:47.bring more pleasing society -- to bring about a more cohesive society

:30:48. > :30:50.through race relations and equality legislation. The United Kingdom has

:30:51. > :30:54.been the most successful in Europe in giving equal rights to its

:30:55. > :30:58.citizens. And that is why this is such a great country to live in, and

:30:59. > :31:05.why anyone who comes here loved it and has such loyalty towards it. We

:31:06. > :31:10.have come a long way from 1968, at Enoch Powell's rivers of blood

:31:11. > :31:15.speech. What we don't want to do is to go backwards. I remembered that

:31:16. > :31:20.time well, and the negative impact it had on me personally as a little

:31:21. > :31:26.girl in primary school. When you are on the receiving end of prejudice,

:31:27. > :31:31.it is a whole different perspective. It leads to feelings of rejection,

:31:32. > :31:39.alienation, anxiety and depression. And make no mistake, it is not just

:31:40. > :31:44.over racism, but covert racism which can be dust as damaging. -- overt.

:31:45. > :31:50.Those who were sensitive to it and know that it is directed at them

:31:51. > :31:55.recognise it in just the most fleeting of an expression. We have

:31:56. > :32:00.to question ourselves constantly about ROV prejudices, every of us,

:32:01. > :32:07.if we want to build a strong society -- about own prejudices. Politicians

:32:08. > :32:13.and the media have perhaps the biggest responsibility of all to

:32:14. > :32:16.that end. My Lords, ethnic communities of many hues have

:32:17. > :32:21.enriched the lives of this nation. The food that we eat, the colours

:32:22. > :32:24.and close that we wear, the music that we listen to has changed beyond

:32:25. > :32:30.recognition from the days that I came to live here as a child. The

:32:31. > :32:35.many people who have come to these shores, the Irish, the Jews, the

:32:36. > :32:38.Italians, those from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, those from the

:32:39. > :32:42.Caribbean and the recent migrants from Poland and elsewhere in Europe

:32:43. > :32:46.and all the many others from around the world have contributed immensely

:32:47. > :32:52.to this country. Those that have made -- may have come to exploit or

:32:53. > :32:58.a disgrace, but they are just a small minority. Overwhelmingly, but

:32:59. > :33:01.what the newcomers bring is their energy and ambition to build a new

:33:02. > :33:06.life, to do well, and that means having a strong work ethic. And also

:33:07. > :33:10.is backed off in an entrepreneurial spirit. My late father came to this

:33:11. > :33:16.country from Pakistan and worked hard, employing more than 500 people

:33:17. > :33:20.in his various businesses in the 1970s and 80s. He paid his taxes. He

:33:21. > :33:30.believed in public service, and was a model citizen.

:33:31. > :33:38.That That worth he can ethic he shared with British society. He must

:33:39. > :33:43.work on those ethics again. A final point, if we were to baton down the

:33:44. > :33:47.hatches and now allow any more immigration than some would wish,

:33:48. > :33:52.then a gentle reminder that the many of hundreds of jobs in the NHS, in

:33:53. > :33:59.agriculture, in the hospitality industry, in transport and in every

:34:00. > :34:03.sector, would still have to be done and enough home-grown Brits would

:34:04. > :34:08.have to be willing to do them. I would urge the Government, under its

:34:09. > :34:14.new leadership, to refrain from the scapegoating of immigrants, which

:34:15. > :34:17.has been politically expedient to do so of late by some in our main

:34:18. > :34:22.political parties and certain sections of the media. There is a

:34:23. > :34:26.very positive story to be told about the huge contribution made by

:34:27. > :34:31.immigrants to our country. It wasn't very well-told in the run-up to the

:34:32. > :34:36.referendum but we can, together, get this message out now and as we move

:34:37. > :34:41.forward, it is important that our Government clarifies its objectives

:34:42. > :34:47.on immigration and the means by which to achieve these objectives.

:34:48. > :34:53.This is a wake-up call, to mend our country, to tackle poverty, by

:34:54. > :34:56.providing jobs, through small scale manufacturing and other means to

:34:57. > :35:01.engender the work ethic and encourage enterprise. It is a huge

:35:02. > :35:08.task but one that cannot be side stepped, if we are to avoid social

:35:09. > :35:13.unrest and if we want to continue to be a great nation, we have to learn

:35:14. > :35:17.arespect and value each other's contribution and our national

:35:18. > :35:21.leaders have to lead the way. Hear, hear.

:35:22. > :35:25.My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow that speech from the noble

:35:26. > :35:29.lady and the excellent speech from Lord Butler. Clearly my Lords this

:35:30. > :35:34.is a time of political crisis. So far two party leaders have gone, my

:35:35. > :35:40.own hope is that third time lucky and my own party is able to move

:35:41. > :35:43.forward quickly. But we are also in a constitutional crisis as with the

:35:44. > :35:47.rest of your Lordships when I was introduced to this place I took the

:35:48. > :35:51.Oath of Allegiance to the Queen and signed up to the code of conduct for

:35:52. > :35:55.your Lordship's House. That code is clear, what our duties are in

:35:56. > :35:57.paragraph 7. I quote, "In the conduct of parliamentary duties,

:35:58. > :36:01.members of the House shall base their actions on consideration of

:36:02. > :36:03.the public interest and shall resolve any conflict between

:36:04. > :36:10.personal interest and public interest at once and in favour of

:36:11. > :36:15.the public interest." I do not equate public opinion and public

:36:16. > :36:20.interest as being the same thing and they are currently potentially in

:36:21. > :36:25.conflict. I believe that most of the 52% who voted to Leave, did so out

:36:26. > :36:29.of a concern for the effect of migration. One of the failings of

:36:30. > :36:34.the Remain campaign was to allow it to become a referendum on that

:36:35. > :36:38.issue. Migration is a function of globalisation. The free movement of

:36:39. > :36:43.labour alongside the free movement of capital and goods are founding

:36:44. > :36:47.principles of the EU. I profoundly believe that the migration of

:36:48. > :36:52.capital and, therefore, away from the UK s now a bigger threat than

:36:53. > :36:56.the migration of workers. Hear, hear.

:36:57. > :37:00.. It is not in the public interest for Parliament to ignore the outcome

:37:01. > :37:04.of a referendum but if the outcome of a negotiated exit is an end to

:37:05. > :37:08.the free movement of labour and with it, free trade, then the public

:37:09. > :37:13.interest is not served by supporting that outcome and I like the notion,

:37:14. > :37:18.put forward by the noble Lord Butler. Employers need access to

:37:19. > :37:23.current skills and will migrate to access those skills in an

:37:24. > :37:27.environment free of trade barriers. Maybe our negotiators will succeed

:37:28. > :37:30.in persuading the EU to act against their founding principles and own

:37:31. > :37:36.preservation by agreeing to free trade but not the free movement of

:37:37. > :37:39.lain, but, my Lords, I doubt T Either way, this Parliament needs

:37:40. > :37:45.both the assurance from the Government that it has a role in

:37:46. > :37:48.both a negotiating position and in triggering article 50 so that we can

:37:49. > :37:52.exercise our duties as parliamentarians And can I ask the

:37:53. > :37:57.minister what consideration has been given to forming a Select Committee

:37:58. > :38:01.of both houses to provide detailed scrutiny of this political process

:38:02. > :38:05.or our nation? My Lords, the second huge concern raised by this flawed

:38:06. > :38:13.referendum is the fallure of representative dome crasscy. We have

:38:14. > :38:17.seen 75 country's parliamentary representatives, that were elected

:38:18. > :38:21.just a year ago, ignored in their considered opinion. The two main

:38:22. > :38:24.parties both failed to lead significant parts of their core

:38:25. > :38:29.vote. They were joined by almost every expert in the economy and be a

:38:30. > :38:33.domia and were still ignored in favour of dishonest, populist

:38:34. > :38:36.messages. One of our representatives was murdered in the street and yet

:38:37. > :38:43.this wasn't enough to cause people to pause for thought. Old model of

:38:44. > :38:48.elected representatives making difficult decisions for us is under

:38:49. > :38:52.strain but direct democracy is equally flawed. We do not know how

:38:53. > :38:59.to inform the public to enable them and empower them to take a

:39:00. > :39:02.considered view. It amuses when Tory friends campaigning to Remain

:39:03. > :39:07.complained three-quarters of newspapers were against them. For

:39:08. > :39:14.me, the response was - welcome to my world. The echo chamber is

:39:15. > :39:19.distorting. On-demand TV has moved many away from watching the

:39:20. > :39:24.international news. We defend on an air war, to drive ideas on education

:39:25. > :39:28.and on a ground war to mobilise people behind the media campaign.

:39:29. > :39:33.That paradigm is redundant this. House may seem a strange place it

:39:34. > :39:39.talk about democracy. That's partly because we now think that Dementieva

:39:40. > :39:43.crosscy is just about voting. -- democracy is just about voting. It

:39:44. > :39:46.is not. It is one of the tools of democracy alongside freedom of

:39:47. > :39:52.speech, juries and free access to ideas in libraries and now the

:39:53. > :39:58.internet. We urgently need to review how our democracy works, so that we

:39:59. > :40:02.can give everyone a sense that they matter, that their opinion counts.

:40:03. > :40:09.But that we can also be engauged and informed so that we will ensure that

:40:10. > :40:14.decisions are informed decisions. Finally, my Lords, we need to

:40:15. > :40:19.urgently address the sense that the majority of electors fear the future

:40:20. > :40:24.and the rapid change storm through society and economies. We need the

:40:25. > :40:28.proceeds of growth to be more evenly-distributed. It is not

:40:29. > :40:33.sustainable for business, for politics, or for society if the rich

:40:34. > :40:37.continue to get richer and the poor get relatively poorer.

:40:38. > :40:41.Mroument growth is insufficient if there is no security of income or of

:40:42. > :40:47.housing. How do we do that? Well, there are

:40:48. > :40:52.no easy answers. But I welcome the Government's acknowledgement that it

:40:53. > :40:55.has a role in stimulating growth, as represented in the northern

:40:56. > :40:59.powerhouse. Perhaps we need a national powerhouse. I also welcome

:41:00. > :41:03.the ending of the surplus target by the Chancellor and hopefully with it

:41:04. > :41:10.a loosening of austerity. I would also like to see a priority on

:41:11. > :41:16.skills. I'm Chair of the Digital Engagement Charity the Tinder

:41:17. > :41:21.Foundation, we work to get adults without digital skills confident to

:41:22. > :41:23.use the internet that. Work needs accelerating to give those people a

:41:24. > :41:27.sense of participation in the future. We need a much stronger

:41:28. > :41:31.priority on adult ski.s if we listen to this referendum we'll have to

:41:32. > :41:35.replace migrant skills with domestic one to stem the migration of jobs.

:41:36. > :41:40.That needs urgent redesign of both education and skills in this country

:41:41. > :41:45.to respond. In summary, my Lords, we need to respect the outcome of this

:41:46. > :41:51.referendum, but without delifg object it, blind to the consequences

:41:52. > :41:55.of the public interest. We need to rejuvenate our dome crass sane

:41:56. > :42:00.inform and empower electorings and we need active Government refreshing

:42:01. > :42:07.the parts of the economy other policies cannot reach.

:42:08. > :42:13.My Lords, the referendum on Britain's membership of the European

:42:14. > :42:19.Union has exposed our democracy to one of its fundamental weakness. We

:42:20. > :42:25.define our democracy as a system of Government by the population working

:42:26. > :42:29.to elect a Parliament. Any system or otherwise of our elected Government,

:42:30. > :42:35.failed to give us a clear lead and opted for a referendum. My Lords,

:42:36. > :42:40.what is beyond doubt is that this referendum can he sended into a

:42:41. > :42:46.struggle for -- descended into a struggle for political leadership in

:42:47. > :42:51.the Conservative Party, thus obscuring the real issues on what we

:42:52. > :42:56.had to decide, the outcome. Oscar Wilde once said - that the truth is

:42:57. > :43:00.rarely pure and never simple. How true. The national debate narrowed

:43:01. > :43:06.on two issue, the economy and immigration. I shall leave the

:43:07. > :43:12.economic aspect to our experts. Suffice to say at this stage, that

:43:13. > :43:17.we are in unchartered waters and it is almost impossible to envisage

:43:18. > :43:23.what the future holds for us. The issue that is concerning most is

:43:24. > :43:35.the way the debate on immigration, migration, has been handled. Many

:43:36. > :43:38.electors whether pro or anti-EU were seriously concerned on the national

:43:39. > :43:46.debate which degenerated to xenophobia. The wider view about

:43:47. > :43:51.jobs, investment and prices, which will have a profound affect for

:43:52. > :43:53.generations to come, were overshadowed by irresponsible

:43:54. > :43:57.statements from some of our leading politicians. I'm a keen supporter of

:43:58. > :44:04.our membership of the European Union. Now this remains a distant

:44:05. > :44:11.dream. I have never waivered from my belief of a stronger Europe and of

:44:12. > :44:15.our role within the union. This is time we moved away from

:44:16. > :44:18.being little Englanders and looked at the world and realised

:44:19. > :44:23.globalisation is an every-Kay reality. We cannot ignore a market

:44:24. > :44:28.of over 350 million people on our doorste. No-one owes Usmanov a

:44:29. > :44:34.living. We are all interdependent on each other. The issues that affect

:44:35. > :44:38.every citizen in our country are matters of global terrorism,

:44:39. > :44:42.cross-border crimes, human rights and matters relating to trafficking

:44:43. > :44:47.and drugs. These are the issues that have

:44:48. > :44:50.destabilised our communities. It is the duty of every Government to

:44:51. > :44:53.provide security for all its citizens, there is always strength

:44:54. > :45:01.in numbers. Look at the large number of young

:45:02. > :45:05.voters in this country, mistake 1. First of all, we declined a large

:45:06. > :45:11.number of young voters in the country to vote at 15.

:45:12. > :45:16.Those youngsters who will be working age, they are clear, that their

:45:17. > :45:21.future was better safe-guarded by our membership of the European

:45:22. > :45:26.Union. This has been now declined to them. Let me come back to the most

:45:27. > :45:31.retro grade step about the way migration issues have been handled.

:45:32. > :45:36.The United Kingdom is no longer united as far as that is concerned.

:45:37. > :45:39.We saw the variation in voting patterns, particularly in Scotland

:45:40. > :45:45.and until Northern Ireland. But there is more to this. It has

:45:46. > :45:58.put fear in the black and ethnic minority communities in Britain. And

:45:59. > :46:02.I admire the contribution made by the baronesses on this particular

:46:03. > :46:07.rare u. My Lords, attacks on our Polish

:46:08. > :46:12.communities, first at a children's playground, and attacks on mosques

:46:13. > :46:17.and temples bring back the memory of early days of migration in the

:46:18. > :46:21.United Kingdom. Racial attacks and racial discrimination is now an

:46:22. > :46:26.everyday reality in the lives of many migrants. Geographicically and

:46:27. > :46:35.economically, they occupy the most deprived areas of our country R

:46:36. > :46:39.added to this, the spitting, swearing, shoving and abuse migrants

:46:40. > :46:45.face almost routinely, immigration has played a crucial role in

:46:46. > :46:50.successive governments from the late '40s and early '50s. The difference

:46:51. > :46:55.this time is that third and fourth generations born and brought up in

:46:56. > :46:59.Britain, are now the victims. My Lords, there are limits to their

:47:00. > :47:03.endurance. Sooner or later the matter could degenerate into public

:47:04. > :47:06.disorder. For those born and educated here are more likely to

:47:07. > :47:11.challenge their treatment than their parents Z my Lords there is a

:47:12. > :47:15.dramatic rise in race-related crimes, the figures have been given

:47:16. > :47:22.a number of times in this debate. Cases are reported daily about the

:47:23. > :47:31.abuse suffered by minorities. The picture of fleeing. And the poster

:47:32. > :47:34.issued by Ukip and to classify London mayoral candidate Sadiq Khan

:47:35. > :47:37.as a terrorist risk is simply not acceptable. We must put the blame

:47:38. > :47:46.squarely on our politicians. Of course, we have tough laws on

:47:47. > :47:50.incitement and racial hatred. But there is a thin dividing line on

:47:51. > :47:57.what is acceptable and what is not. When it comes to the generation

:47:58. > :48:02.being born and bred here suffering abuse, this is not acceptable. This

:48:03. > :48:06.is surely a recipe for disaster. It is no longer a valid argument to

:48:07. > :48:10.talk about an integrated society if you continue to single out

:48:11. > :48:14.minorities as a scapegoat for your own failures. Like it or not, my

:48:15. > :48:20.Lords, immigration and free movement of people is even more nurses Eric

:48:21. > :48:25.in the face of change resulting from the growth of the global economy --

:48:26. > :48:29.is even more necessary. The global economy increasingly relies on

:48:30. > :48:33.skills of people, wherever they are available. An international movement

:48:34. > :48:43.is a key feature of some economies. My Lords, few other political issues

:48:44. > :48:47.pay the same attention and emotions as immigration. These are the three

:48:48. > :48:51.reasons for that. First, the unending discussion about numbers

:48:52. > :48:57.now focused on others coming from Europe. Second, our role in the

:48:58. > :49:03.international community. Do we face towards Europe, or look for

:49:04. > :49:08.alternative markets? And third, the worry about national identity. The

:49:09. > :49:13.referendum has proved that leadership in all out is at an ease

:49:14. > :49:18.when confronted with the issue of migration. There is a failure in the

:49:19. > :49:27.response to immigration on the one hand and community cohesion and

:49:28. > :49:31.society on the other. My Lords, migration policy plays into public

:49:32. > :49:37.fears about mass immigration found by some of the media. The liberal

:49:38. > :49:41.elements welcoming diversity, they make minorities feel targeted is a

:49:42. > :49:46.problem, there still is and perspectives are no longer welcome.

:49:47. > :49:49.The progress we have made in our society is too valuable to play in

:49:50. > :49:57.such a cynical manner by politicians. They must share the

:49:58. > :50:02.blame for this. In our society -- no society can live in peace or be at

:50:03. > :50:10.ease with itself if a section of the population continue to live in fear

:50:11. > :50:14.of being abused. My Lords, the 23rd of June was not Independence Day for

:50:15. > :50:19.Britain, it was the day the UK shot itself in the foot. Or economy has

:50:20. > :50:23.been doing so well. In fact, well the European economy has been doing

:50:24. > :50:27.badly we had the accumulated growth rate of 63%. We didn't lose our

:50:28. > :50:32.sovereignty, we have the best of both worlds, we have been in the EU

:50:33. > :50:37.but not in Schengen, we pour our beer in pints and we measure our

:50:38. > :50:41.roads in miles. And yet this vote in claim of red tape, regulations, I

:50:42. > :50:46.have seen for ten years in this House, laws that we make that affect

:50:47. > :50:48.our daily lives are made by us right here, right now in this House and in

:50:49. > :51:04.this Parliament. And then we take for granted 1.2 million

:51:05. > :51:06.of our citizens living in Europe, and we have 3 billion European

:51:07. > :51:09.citizens living here. How dare people even think of sending these

:51:10. > :51:12.people back? These are people who have left these families, come here,

:51:13. > :51:16.but in five times more than they have taken out, contributed to or

:51:17. > :51:19.economy. How ungrateful can we ever be? We should be grateful to them

:51:20. > :51:24.and they are welcome to stay here. We have for many years been saying,

:51:25. > :51:27.take control of our borders. I believe we have lost control of our

:51:28. > :51:34.borders. I have been saying for many years, illegal immigration is the

:51:35. > :51:39.very issue. Let's bring back exit checks, let's scan every issue.

:51:40. > :51:43.Let's not make immigration the excuse that we have. Our

:51:44. > :51:48.universities are going to suffer. Already we have lost our triple a

:51:49. > :51:53.rating, 11 of our universities have already lost their ratings.

:51:54. > :51:56.International students, I am president of an association, I'm

:51:57. > :52:04.sorry, I don't have much time, we have 500,000 international students

:52:05. > :52:08.in this country, 107% from the EU. In the finance sector, big banks

:52:09. > :52:16.have already begun to make plans to move staff out. The Royal Bank of

:52:17. > :52:21.Scotland have lost value of ?100 billion. The biggest lie of all,

:52:22. > :52:27.than ?350 million that we give to the EU in blaze and on that Brexit

:52:28. > :52:33.bus, let's give that manage the NHS instead. The Vote Leave advertising

:52:34. > :52:37.film showing the NHS inside and outside of the EU. My Lords, what is

:52:38. > :52:45.going on? It is completely misleading. It is a lie. It is a net

:52:46. > :52:52.contribution of ?8 billion per year, 1% of our annual government

:52:53. > :52:58.expenditure per year. What was the election commission doing? That is

:52:59. > :53:02.what I would like to is noble lord the Minister. In India, the election

:53:03. > :53:07.commissioner is the most powerful person in the country. Here, we have

:53:08. > :53:10.an electoral commission asleep on the job. Surely we need to look for

:53:11. > :53:13.the role of the electoral commission, then the result would be

:53:14. > :53:19.completely different. I have come across people who said, I voted to

:53:20. > :53:26.leave to save the NHS. We rely hugely on inward investment. The

:53:27. > :53:31.referendum saw the pound plummet to levels of the 1980s, when the UK

:53:32. > :53:35.with the sick man of Europe. When this country had a glass ceiling for

:53:36. > :53:39.foreigners. Today in this country anybody can get anywhere regardless

:53:40. > :53:43.of background, and yet we hear of this awful hate crimes,

:53:44. > :53:47.discrimination which I myself have experienced. Do we want to wind the

:53:48. > :53:54.clock back? We have seen in this referendum that 73% of voters under

:53:55. > :53:58.25 want to devote to remain in the European Union, but sadly just over

:53:59. > :54:04.one third of them turned out to vote. Whereas 83% of over-65s

:54:05. > :54:07.-year-old standout to vote and they overwhelmingly voted to leave. In

:54:08. > :54:10.future, I hope the use of this country have learnt their lesson

:54:11. > :54:17.forever, that that pressure is right to vote they have two exercise and

:54:18. > :54:23.they must come out regardless of it is in turn time or out of term time.

:54:24. > :54:27.If we let the EU, it would threaten the EU itself. Already many

:54:28. > :54:34.countries in Europe are demanding the referendum which could lead to

:54:35. > :54:37.the break-up of the European Union and the greatest financial crisis

:54:38. > :54:45.the world has ever seen. Northern Ireland, which voted to remain,

:54:46. > :54:49.talks merging with Ireland. Isn't it gut-wrenching to see Nigel Farage,

:54:50. > :54:56.who was so responsible for creating the mess that we are in, resigning

:54:57. > :55:00.as leader of Ukip and this weekend wearing union Jack shoes when he

:55:01. > :55:03.could be responsible for the break-up of a union. Look at the

:55:04. > :55:09.treacherous saviour of the Leave campaign. Boris Johnson resigns,

:55:10. > :55:15.Andrea Leadsom is a hypocrite talking about leaving the European

:55:16. > :55:18.Union being a disaster. I don't think the UK should leave the EU, it

:55:19. > :55:24.would be a disaster for our economy and lead to a decade of political

:55:25. > :55:32.uncertainty. While. When Michael Gove stabbed Boris Johnson in the

:55:33. > :55:37.back. What were people thinking? Project fear, my Lords? Project

:55:38. > :55:46.reality. The referendum is advisory, and when Remain MPs outnumber Leave

:55:47. > :55:50.MPs, there is a strong legal case, as we have heard, that end-macro

:55:51. > :55:56.cannot be triggered until Parliament votes. -- Article 50. With the

:55:57. > :56:04.turmoil that has been caused, while a responsible Parliament do this

:56:05. > :56:08.built on such shaky grounds. With hindsight, a point which has not

:56:09. > :56:14.been bought up by anybody, a decision important as this should

:56:15. > :56:17.have had a two thirds hurdle. Changing the fixture of the

:56:18. > :56:21.Parliament you need a two thirds majority. This would have then been

:56:22. > :56:25.a definitive result. As for the opposition, please forgive me, that

:56:26. > :56:29.Jeremy Corbyn has been absolutely useless as a leader and his role in

:56:30. > :56:32.the referendum was pathetic. That would have changed the whole

:56:33. > :56:37.picture. And look at the time or the Labour Party is in. On top of all of

:56:38. > :56:41.this we have a referendum and a petition of 4 million people signing

:56:42. > :56:45.asking for a second referendum. There is no legal obstacle for a

:56:46. > :56:49.second referendum to be held. The general election could even be

:56:50. > :56:53.treated as a proxy second referendum on the issue, would the noble

:56:54. > :56:59.Minister agree? And a Mori poll says that 40% of leaders agree that there

:57:00. > :57:04.should be a general election before Britain begins exit Mac pro

:57:05. > :57:10.negotiations. A Newsnight poll says that a third of voters believe that

:57:11. > :57:15.the UK will not leave the EU. According to the Financial Times,

:57:16. > :57:20.the UK is headed towards lower gross, week in monetary policy. This

:57:21. > :57:25.is just what I said in my last speech -- week monitoring cause. A

:57:26. > :57:30.will damage or economy, our businesses, and are standing in the

:57:31. > :57:36.world -- Brexit. The Bank of England talks of economic post-traumatic

:57:37. > :57:41.stress disorder. Economic in terms of it projects 6% contraction.

:57:42. > :57:44.Brexit is now the central focus of politics and government for years to

:57:45. > :57:50.come. Just think of the opportunity cost for all that time but our civil

:57:51. > :57:57.servants could be spent improving lives. Switzerland voted years ago

:57:58. > :58:01.with 50.3 to modify freedom of movement of people, two years later

:58:02. > :58:06.they got nowhere. I conclude my Lords, this decision of 52-48 vote

:58:07. > :58:12.to leave will not actually achieve the slogan of Vote Leave, take back

:58:13. > :58:17.control. We have actually lost control and will lose more control.

:58:18. > :58:22.The irony of it all, the chief Brexiteer publication, the somewhat

:58:23. > :58:30.on it, published a poll showing that 60s of the people -- 60s of

:58:31. > :58:35.people believe the priority of the new Prime Minister should be steady

:58:36. > :58:40.in the economy. Only 7% want him to tackle immigration. The irony of

:58:41. > :58:45.that is unbelievable. This wretched referendum was a dreadful decision,

:58:46. > :58:53.my lords. This country have the wool pulled over their eyes, misled by a

:58:54. > :58:58.buffoon and the court just. Leading our people over the white cliffs of

:58:59. > :59:03.Dover. -- court jester. Now is time to take back control. We need strong

:59:04. > :59:07.leadership, to negotiate with the European Union before getting

:59:08. > :59:10.anywhere near article 50, and then whether staying in the economic area

:59:11. > :59:18.with restricted movement of people or staying in the EU, we can go

:59:19. > :59:21.through a general election properly supervised by an effective electoral

:59:22. > :59:24.commission so that people can make an informed decision about our

:59:25. > :59:32.children and grandchildren's future, and with the youth turning out in

:59:33. > :59:41.full force. My Lords, I can't match that passion, but I would like to

:59:42. > :59:47.join others in saying how much I appreciated my friend, the most

:59:48. > :59:51.Reverend Primate the Archbishop of Canterbury and his speech. He and I

:59:52. > :59:56.have both worked in the north-east, and have been welcomed by the people

:59:57. > :00:02.of the north-east, many of whom have voted to leave, just as the people

:00:03. > :00:10.of Finland, in my diocese now, and the people in East Kent. These

:00:11. > :00:16.people are not, it seems to me, voting against the European Union.

:00:17. > :00:23.These people were making a great cry, a lament, about having not been

:00:24. > :00:29.heard for several generations by the political class, my class. And that

:00:30. > :00:36.this was their opportunity to make us listen when they have felt

:00:37. > :00:44.excluded for so long. 20 years ago I went, I read an essay by JP

:00:45. > :00:48.Galbraith called the culture of contentment, which seems that it

:00:49. > :00:51.now, saying how politics in other words had been organised for the

:00:52. > :00:56.wealthy at the expense of the poor and we would reap the whirlwind of

:00:57. > :01:00.this. And I think in a piece ball away that is what we are

:01:01. > :01:08.experiencing -- in a peaceable way. There is a poem by the Christian

:01:09. > :01:12.poet George Herbert called Lament And Laugh. We are experiencing that

:01:13. > :01:17.kind of lament that Herbert writes about. Now is the opportunity, it

:01:18. > :01:22.seems to me, to move ahead together in hope about the future that we

:01:23. > :01:25.might construct together. If I were to point a finger at Lord Griffiths,

:01:26. > :01:31.on the other side of the House, there would be three fingers

:01:32. > :01:34.pointing back at me. But although recrimination is a natural human

:01:35. > :01:42.desire, it seems to me that we have to move beyond that and see how

:01:43. > :01:45.together we can, as Parliament, support Government in offering a new

:01:46. > :01:52.kind of leadership for the future. There are various collective nouns

:01:53. > :02:00.which the clergy have four bishops. The polite one is a blessing. And I

:02:01. > :02:06.strongly ask us to think about how we as Parliament might seek to be a

:02:07. > :02:11.blessing in the way in which we support government in I think the

:02:12. > :02:18.urgent redefinition of the leadership that we need across all

:02:19. > :02:23.political parties. It won't do for us to think about a steady as you go

:02:24. > :02:28.way forward, but we need to have leadership which is radical in its

:02:29. > :02:34.imagination, generosity, transparency and rigour for the

:02:35. > :02:39.future of all of our countries and all of our fellow citizens. We are

:02:40. > :02:45.talking about the flourishing of all of people, and not for some at the

:02:46. > :02:50.expense of others. And this means that, as the Archbishop referred to

:02:51. > :02:55.earlier on, one way of looking at this is what we see as a view for

:02:56. > :02:59.education into the future, and the four pillars of this wisdom, hope,

:03:00. > :03:10.community and dignity. That so many of the people that have

:03:11. > :03:14.expressed their lament are people who have been badly served over

:03:15. > :03:19.generations in developing their skills and aspiration for being real

:03:20. > :03:29.stakeholders in our economy and our society. If we are going to support

:03:30. > :03:33.with them, we need to be seeking to invest in what all of our people

:03:34. > :03:40.need, in terms of training and equipping people with the right kind

:03:41. > :03:44.of education, which not only makes them economically productive but

:03:45. > :03:49.grows in them and us the character to be mutually regarding as

:03:50. > :03:54.citizens, as is given to public life and the public service. And we need

:03:55. > :04:00.to express hope that nobody is written off. One of our pledges in

:04:01. > :04:06.education is that no child is to be written off or excluded. That must

:04:07. > :04:11.apply, too, to the parents of children. That no-one is to be

:04:12. > :04:14.written off in our society. That there is always hope for

:04:15. > :04:20.restoration, transformation across our communities and it is the

:04:21. > :04:26.purpose of all those engaged in political life to seek to make that

:04:27. > :04:29.happen. And all of us belong to community, one with another. I

:04:30. > :04:36.applaud everything that has been said by those who have been speaking

:04:37. > :04:42.against the way in which xenophobia and race hatred have been allowed to

:04:43. > :04:48.creep through the cracks lately. And particularly in the last couple of

:04:49. > :04:52.weeks. That we need to find new ways of living well toshgts as one

:04:53. > :05:01.community. And in fact, of course, it is in churches, temples and

:05:02. > :05:05.mosques where it is most likely that people meet cross-generationally to

:05:06. > :05:15.influence one another in places of safety. And dignity. As I go around,

:05:16. > :05:20.some of the people are saying to me, ticking in areas that have voted to

:05:21. > :05:26.Remain is - we don't count where. Is respect for us in the way in which

:05:27. > :05:33.any policy is framed? Dignity and respect is key. And all of this

:05:34. > :05:36.needs to be framed in an outward-looking, international

:05:37. > :05:42.environment, that we don't become little Englanders but that we look

:05:43. > :05:47.outwards because, we have a bold and vivid tradition as a country which

:05:48. > :05:53.has looked beyond its shores, not just for imperial adventure, but to

:05:54. > :05:58.seek to transmit our values, all that we hold dear for the

:05:59. > :06:03.advancement and encouragement of other peoples in other places. And

:06:04. > :06:08.that's particularly true of our universe. In advance of this debate

:06:09. > :06:14.I had -- of our universities. I had long debates of the vice chancellors

:06:15. > :06:19.of the University of Cambridge and the Anglian Ruskin University and

:06:20. > :06:26.they were keen to express that there was concern for the migrant workers

:06:27. > :06:29.in Wisbech as the. U citizens who form a large proportion of their

:06:30. > :06:34.student body and they are anxious for the free movement of scholars,

:06:35. > :06:41.scholars no longer live in ivory towers, they live in great highways

:06:42. > :06:43.of academic endeavour across the world and Cambridge is the most

:06:44. > :06:49.important research university in Europe. How do we continue to Mick

:06:50. > :06:54.this vivid and regal, not only for our sake but the sake of others. The

:06:55. > :07:01.rest of my diocese is largely rural and the fact remains that many of

:07:02. > :07:08.our farmers farm not just in this country but abroad. 500,000 packets

:07:09. > :07:15.of lettuce come back into England from a farm that one of our big

:07:16. > :07:24.farmers has in Spain every year. And he would say that he is profoundly

:07:25. > :07:28.concerned that proper respect isp given that those people from abroad

:07:29. > :07:31.make it possible for our food to be harvested. If it weren't for

:07:32. > :07:38.overseas workers there will be food rotting in our fields right now. So,

:07:39. > :07:44.we need to be clear that our emphasis, even when we are concerned

:07:45. > :07:47.about our own country s about all the implications for community

:07:48. > :07:54.worldwide for the sustainability of community, of that common good of

:07:55. > :07:58.which the archbishop spoke and it is rooted in our application for

:07:59. > :08:05.wisdom, hope, community and dignity for all, that all of our citizens

:08:06. > :08:11.may flourish into the future. My Lords, it is a pleasure for me to

:08:12. > :08:16.follow the Right Reverend With whom I agree entirely and I also include

:08:17. > :08:20.his wise words and denunciation of that vile minority of racists who

:08:21. > :08:27.par tisicated in disdeprasful attacks, they should be prosecuted

:08:28. > :08:30.and vigorously. I'm glad I did not follow the noble Lord, Bilamoria,

:08:31. > :08:37.otherwise I would have side tracked myself into an attack on every

:08:38. > :08:40.sentence he uttered. On 23rd June, 1 million voters voted democratically

:08:41. > :08:43.to end our relationship we. U and restore this country to the free

:08:44. > :08:48.independent state it was before 1973. This long overdue and

:08:49. > :08:53.momentous decision, in my opinion, will be good for the UK and

:08:54. > :08:58.democracy in Europe. It may well be that Britain will have fulfilled its

:08:59. > :09:03.traditional role, as it did over the centuries in 1815, 1914 and 1945 of

:09:04. > :09:07.saving Europe from rule by undemocratic unaccount bible

:09:08. > :09:12.government over the bhoel of Europe. A 52ers % of our people voted to

:09:13. > :09:18.Leave and 48% to Remain, the greatest vote for anything in the

:09:19. > :09:21.history of this council trif. Loosing remainers must stop bitter

:09:22. > :09:24.recriminations and accept the decision of the people. Some are

:09:25. > :09:29.calling for a second referendum or for politicians to ignore the are

:09:30. > :09:35.you. They say the country is divided because 52% voted to leave. Some

:09:36. > :09:39.said you would not be divided if 52% voted to Remain. June 23rd was the

:09:40. > :09:45.greatest rebellion against the ruling elite, including us in this

:09:46. > :09:49.House, I would say, Lord bi. Ilamoria, which the country has

:09:50. > :09:53.seen. There is only a 4 point difference but it is massive when

:09:54. > :09:56.one considers the leave campaign was started from way behind and was up

:09:57. > :10:01.against the full weight of the Government and the establishment.

:10:02. > :10:07.The people ignored the dodgy Treasury forecast, the warning of

:10:08. > :10:10.boom and gloom from the C bi. , OECD and all the other organisations, the

:10:11. > :10:14.best no organisations. The more that the Government called in their

:10:15. > :10:17.friends in what was called the Davos elite, including President Obama,

:10:18. > :10:21.the more that ordinary people suspected they were being sold a

:10:22. > :10:27.pup. So, I go so far as it pay tribute to every person in the Leave

:10:28. > :10:30.campaign, and including in this regard only, Nigel Farage because

:10:31. > :10:35.without him we would not have had this referendum in the first place.

:10:36. > :10:38.Now we must deliver on Brexit. My right honourable friend, the Home

:10:39. > :10:42.Secretary has said that "The job is to unite party, unite the country

:10:43. > :10:47.and negotiate the best-possible deal for Britain." To borrow a phrase

:10:48. > :10:52.from Lady Thatcher I would say - no, no, no. The job now is deliver what

:10:53. > :10:57.17 million people voted for. Nothing more, and nothing less. And I say

:10:58. > :11:01.this as a former Conservative Party Opposition Chief Whip - you will not

:11:02. > :11:04.reunited the Conservative Party around a refugee which is half in

:11:05. > :11:08.and half out of the single market with a bit of freedom of movement

:11:09. > :11:11.here and bit less there and tweaking our budget contribution. I think we

:11:12. > :11:16.tried that fudge over the last 20 years, and it hasn't worked very

:11:17. > :11:23.well for us. 17 million people voted to take back control. Full control

:11:24. > :11:27.over our democracy which was the key runner, all our Leave studies show,

:11:28. > :11:31.control over democracy and the ability to sack the politicians who

:11:32. > :11:34.are supposed to be in charge of us. Control over our law-making, our

:11:35. > :11:38.borders and our economy. Of course we must have reconciliation and

:11:39. > :11:42.reaching out to those who voted Remain as well as consulting Wales,

:11:43. > :11:49.Northern Ireland and Scotland, as we negotiate exit. But, reconciliation

:11:50. > :11:53.will tear this country apart if it is merely crafty double-speak for

:11:54. > :11:58.compromise on the Brexit policy and selling out the electorate. Already

:11:59. > :12:02.we hear demands from some Remainers, it is essential we stay in the

:12:03. > :12:05.so-called single market, even if it means having to accept freedom of

:12:06. > :12:10.movement and some sort of payments to Brussels. What bit of Leave and

:12:11. > :12:15.taking back control don't we understand, my Lords? First of all,

:12:16. > :12:19.it is knotted a single market. That fiction was sold to Margaret

:12:20. > :12:23.Thatcher in return for qualified majority voting. It was a single

:12:24. > :12:27.European regulatory zone and not a proper single market. Look at the

:12:28. > :12:32.lack of a market in services. We don't have to be a member of the

:12:33. > :12:38.so-called single market to access it. The two are quite different. .

:12:39. > :12:43.That's right. I see some Commission officials saying we cannot cherry

:12:44. > :12:47.pick, nor have EU a la carte. I agree entirely. I don't think we

:12:48. > :12:51.need to do eerted. First of all, we are a Sovereign country and our

:12:52. > :12:54.Government is not going to negotiate with Commission officials, no matter

:12:55. > :12:58.what the Commission or Parliament thinks. We will talk to other heads

:12:59. > :13:03.of Government but the council's appointed leader is a Belgian

:13:04. > :13:07.diplomat who is chief of Taff to Mr Von rumpy. I don't think he should

:13:08. > :13:12.be top of the list. They say he is an able man, I have no doubt about

:13:13. > :13:15.that but what planet are they on if they think fifth largest economy in

:13:16. > :13:19.the world, the second biggest member of anyway to exa nuclear power a

:13:20. > :13:24.member of the Security Council of UN is going to pryer advertise talking

:13:25. > :13:27.to a minor Belgium diplomat, rather Germany, France and Italy? The

:13:28. > :13:32.negotiations are not complex, but there is only one difficulty - we

:13:33. > :13:36.need a Prime Minister who will look Angela Merkel and Hollande in the

:13:37. > :13:41.eye and remind them, in the nicest-possible way, that they have

:13:42. > :13:46.a trade surplus of goods of 70 billion. The City of London have a

:13:47. > :13:49.financial services so you plus of 20 billion. Our Prime Minister simply

:13:50. > :13:54.has to say - we are willing to accept the status quo. We will take

:13:55. > :13:58.no action on their goods if they permit passporting for the City of

:13:59. > :14:02.London. Try to freeze out passporting they will get hit with

:14:03. > :14:06.tariffs. It is as simple as that. It is not that complicated but it

:14:07. > :14:09.requires guts and it requires a credibility to do it. Our trade

:14:10. > :14:13.negotiations will only be complex if we had a matter of trade surplus

:14:14. > :14:19.with the EU, not the other way around and we were begging to be let

:14:20. > :14:24.into their market. On 24th June, and I'm sorry gored Giddons is not here,

:14:25. > :14:28.I think he was rfrg to this, the President of the German association

:14:29. > :14:32.of the Automotive Industry said "Following British departure from

:14:33. > :14:36.the EU, it will be in nobody's interest to make the international

:14:37. > :14:41.flow of goods more expensive by erecting customs' barriers between

:14:42. > :14:47.Britain and the European continent ""Exactly, and that will be the view

:14:48. > :14:50.I suspect of the French cheese and wine providers also. The leaders of

:14:51. > :14:56.the big countries in the EU who export far more to us than we do to

:14:57. > :14:59.them, know it is in their fundamental, political and economic

:15:00. > :15:02.interest to have no changes to our and their access to the so-called

:15:03. > :15:07.single market much it is quite clear, I fear, that some of those

:15:08. > :15:11.who are wanting interm nibble and complex trade negotiations have an

:15:12. > :15:17.agenda of staying in the EU and want at most, Brexit light. So, my Lord,

:15:18. > :15:20.I conclude by saying the people have given this country a golden

:15:21. > :15:26.opportunity to prosper once gep, now we will be throwing off the shackles

:15:27. > :15:29.of the corrupt and democratic regulatory job-destroying ray gem

:15:30. > :15:34.which is the post-Maastricht EU, an EU which has caused the rise of

:15:35. > :15:38.extremist parties in Europe, because they have denied people dome cross

:15:39. > :15:43.sane ignored their concerns. Government's got a relatively short

:15:44. > :15:48.time to deliver proper Brexit and meet the expectations of millions of

:15:49. > :15:52.voters in Labour heartlands and in Tory Middle England who voted out.

:15:53. > :15:57.We had a revolution through the ballot box on 23rd June. A few

:15:58. > :16:01.thousand Remainers march through London, wanting the result

:16:02. > :16:07.overturned will be as nothing if we betray the 17 million voters. The

:16:08. > :16:11.quiet people of England have spoken and God help us if we ignore them.

:16:12. > :16:16.My Lords, we are a proud island people. Traditionally we have stood

:16:17. > :16:20.against the envy of less happy lands, we have intervened on the

:16:21. > :16:26.continent historically, only to restore the balance of power against

:16:27. > :16:35.Napoleon, a Kaiser or a Hitler. Yet, after the war we began it realise we

:16:36. > :16:38.had missed the European bus. We tried, after 1957 Treaty of Rome to

:16:39. > :16:45.find an alternative. I was in the Foreign Office when we tried to,

:16:46. > :16:51.where we built up EFDA and realised we were in a cul de sac which led

:16:52. > :16:57.nowhere. We had the two Gaullist featers, our own terms and we had

:16:58. > :17:01.the referendum of 1975 which confirmed, confirmed our membership

:17:02. > :17:07.of the European economic community. Alas on 23rd June, we went against

:17:08. > :17:16.that. We chose the exit door. Analysis show that is it was that

:17:17. > :17:29.the key dividing point was those above 4 #4, and above 44 who did it.

:17:30. > :17:35.I shall not mention everything he has said that the abandonment of the

:17:36. > :17:41.fiscal target, the revision of investment decisions, the anxieties

:17:42. > :17:45.of our nationals on the continent and EU nationals here. Those same

:17:46. > :17:57.experts will now be called upon to build a new relationship with the

:17:58. > :18:00.European Union. Will we have to call the New World, New Zealand, into

:18:01. > :18:10.existence to redress the balance of what we don't have? In June 2012,

:18:11. > :18:17.the Prime Minister argued strongly against an in-out referendum is not

:18:18. > :18:24.the right thing to do as it referred only to choices. He changed his

:18:25. > :18:29.position. It was changed not for the national interest but the party

:18:30. > :18:32.reasons, just as he had left the European People's party when he

:18:33. > :18:40.wanted to be selected as party leader. He blew the flames of

:18:41. > :18:46.anti-Europeanism and has been consumed by them. But he was writing

:18:47. > :18:51.this, by drawing attention to the problem of a referendum only

:18:52. > :18:57.offering two choices, in or out. On the 23rd of June, the people spoke,

:18:58. > :19:04.or at least 36% of eligible voters voted to leave. What did they say

:19:05. > :19:09.when they spoke? Did they speak so clearly apart from wanting to get

:19:10. > :19:13.out? The spectrum of possibilities braces from pulling up the

:19:14. > :19:17.drawbridge to seeking the closest relationship with our former

:19:18. > :19:23.partners. You cannot negotiate with public opinion. Some argued for a

:19:24. > :19:28.second referendum but there's a problem. What happens if the new

:19:29. > :19:33.package is rejected by the people? Do we have the form another package

:19:34. > :19:37.and another package and another package until that particular

:19:38. > :19:48.package is acceptable to our public opinion which may change with time?

:19:49. > :19:54.What is to be done? How do we limit the damage? The front door is

:19:55. > :19:57.closed, C if we can find other ways round. There will have to be

:19:58. > :20:04.trade-off between access to what Lord Lawson calls the single market,

:20:05. > :20:10.certainly industrialists and others know it is a real single market, and

:20:11. > :20:16.free movement. And that with a reduced bargaining power we will

:20:17. > :20:20.have. We should try to preserve our relationship with some European

:20:21. > :20:26.institutions which are to our benefit. Yes the universities,

:20:27. > :20:31.collaborative research projects. The European medical agency is probably

:20:32. > :20:37.doomed in London but Rasmus surely is so important that we should

:20:38. > :20:40.preserve it? We will have to lead the European Council and boost our

:20:41. > :20:47.bilateral relationship with the European countries. Our own

:20:48. > :20:51.embassies in EU countries will become more important. The Foreign

:20:52. > :20:56.Office will need more funds. I was in the Foreign Office on the

:20:57. > :21:00.European desk in the early 60s when we had similar predicament. We were

:21:01. > :21:06.outside the European Union, we wanted to build a relationship, so

:21:07. > :21:10.what did we do? I was on the western European desk. With Ford, here is an

:21:11. > :21:16.institution that brings together existing members of the community

:21:17. > :21:25.and ourselves and we sought to build a top. It lasted for a while. There

:21:26. > :21:29.is still a Western European Union with this Parliamentary component

:21:30. > :21:34.gone. Surely we need to find some institution existing developed which

:21:35. > :21:41.brings us together with our former partners in the European Union? We

:21:42. > :21:45.will no longer be in the European Parliament. In the Parliamentary

:21:46. > :21:52.relationships need to be increased. The IPU should be given funds to

:21:53. > :21:56.provide opportunities for UK parliamentarians to meet the EU

:21:57. > :22:02.colleagues but surely the best opportunity from working together is

:22:03. > :22:07.in the field of military, security and intelligence policies? We need

:22:08. > :22:11.to continue intelligence gathering and analysing material, will need a

:22:12. > :22:18.close relationship with the common, foreign and security policy on to

:22:19. > :22:25.which both the EU and UK would be diplomatically diminished. For

:22:26. > :22:29.example, the UK's part of the EU three in negotiations with I run.

:22:30. > :22:36.There is no reason why we should not even outside the EU be part of a

:22:37. > :22:41.similar future initiative. On the military side, we should remain

:22:42. > :22:46.associated with the European defence agency, built on the excellent

:22:47. > :22:50.bilateral relationship we have with the French and our experience of

:22:51. > :22:55.working together in the Balkans and Libya. We should seek to expand that

:22:56. > :23:03.excellent bilateral relationship with France to Germany and other

:23:04. > :23:07.countries. Should our Nato allies also be encouraged to develop these

:23:08. > :23:13.capabilities. We shall have to live with the referendum decision and

:23:14. > :23:18.salvage what we can to protect the interests of our country. We should

:23:19. > :23:23.be forced to ask the basic questions about ourselves and our role in the

:23:24. > :23:27.world until I believe eventually a new generation will seek a closer

:23:28. > :23:32.relationship with the European Union which by then will probably have

:23:33. > :23:40.changed in the direction which we now favour. This boat has threatened

:23:41. > :23:45.the hopes and my children's generation. Our young people asked,

:23:46. > :23:51.why would anyone want to leave the EU? They feel disillusioned, angry,

:23:52. > :23:56.hurt and betrayed. They have grown up as Europeans, they value their

:23:57. > :23:59.freedom of movement, multiculturalism, tolerance and

:24:00. > :24:06.international friendship are at the heart of their being. It could all

:24:07. > :24:12.have been different. The government rejected amendments, giving 16 and

:24:13. > :24:15.17-year-olds the vote. Votes to EU citizens resident in the UK and UK

:24:16. > :24:20.citizens living elsewhere in the EU for more than 15 years. Thus they

:24:21. > :24:24.denied votes which could prove decisive in the three groups of

:24:25. > :24:30.those people who are now most profoundly affected by the Leave

:24:31. > :24:35.vote. Like all mother noble Lords, I find it shameful that the government

:24:36. > :24:40.tries to justify bargaining with a cast-iron promise of indefinite

:24:41. > :24:43.leave to remain given to UK residents EU citizens so I welcome

:24:44. > :24:51.the Bill tabled today by my right honourable friend guaranteeing their

:24:52. > :24:54.rights to stay. Where next? The Prime Minister during the campaign

:24:55. > :25:01.said he would invoke article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty immediately then,

:25:02. > :25:08.as he resigned, he said this would be a matter for his successor. Lord

:25:09. > :25:14.Wallace reminded us of the words of Article 50, in accordance with its

:25:15. > :25:20.own constitutional requirements. With no written constitution, the

:25:21. > :25:25.UK's constitutional requirements are uncertain. David Cameron seems to

:25:26. > :25:30.have assumed the notice could be given by exercising prerogative

:25:31. > :25:36.powers. I disagree. I far prefer the analysis of those many senior

:25:37. > :25:42.lawyers echoed by the noble Lord who argued that legislation is required.

:25:43. > :25:47.But whatever the position, there is at least a political imperative

:25:48. > :25:52.which requires a resolution of the House of Commons is the elected

:25:53. > :25:57.house before and Article 50 notice may be served. The Leave campaign

:25:58. > :26:01.stressed the sovereignty of the Westminster Parliament. They cannot

:26:02. > :26:04.now credibly argue that a non-binding referendum can take the

:26:05. > :26:10.final decision away from this Parliament. More over the treaty

:26:11. > :26:17.does not say whether an article 50 notice can be withdrawn after

:26:18. > :26:23.service. I agree. A negotiation is only real if the parties can walk

:26:24. > :26:27.away. Implementing this crucial decision must not be rushed through

:26:28. > :26:33.with ill considered haste nor should it depend on a Conservative

:26:34. > :26:35.leadership election. Many noble Lords have said we should respect

:26:36. > :26:43.the will of the people and so we must. Remain for the sad campaign.

:26:44. > :26:46.We failed to raise people's sites from the threat to the economy which

:26:47. > :26:53.many believed was exaggerated or worse. We failed to make the

:26:54. > :26:59.principled case for international collaboration, for protecting our

:27:00. > :27:03.environment, peace and stability, freedom of movement. We said far too

:27:04. > :27:10.little about what the UK brings to the European Union rather than the

:27:11. > :27:14.other way round. We failed to refute the notion that while the head

:27:15. > :27:19.should say Remain, the heart should see Leave. That failure of hours

:27:20. > :27:27.allowed the Leave campaign to persuade voters that they should

:27:28. > :27:33.abandon a relationship of 43 years, a relationship which has evolved

:27:34. > :27:36.facing the world together, making compromises, resolving differences

:27:37. > :27:42.by negotiations and discussions often protracted and difficult, to

:27:43. > :27:49.pursue the superficial attractions of an independence that will prove

:27:50. > :27:52.entirely illusory and will lead in time to economic hardship,

:27:53. > :28:01.isolation, weakness, disappointment and regret. Much has been said today

:28:02. > :28:07.about misrepresentation during the campaign. I agree. But in six months

:28:08. > :28:12.or a year, there may be more clarity. The true economic cost of

:28:13. > :28:18.leaving may have moved from the realms of speculation to a starker

:28:19. > :28:23.reality. The public mood may have palpably changed. The real-life

:28:24. > :28:30.options for our future relationship with the EU may be apparent. The EU

:28:31. > :28:36.may have changed its position. In this context we must end the absurd

:28:37. > :28:45.stand-off between a hurt and angry EU, refusing to negotiate before

:28:46. > :28:50.noticed is served, and our being unwilling to serve notice before

:28:51. > :28:57.negotiations start. Given our right to serve or withhold a notice at our

:28:58. > :29:06.option, we can do better than rely on ill-defined talks as outlined why

:29:07. > :29:10.the noble lady yesterday. The Scottish Government's threat to

:29:11. > :29:18.leave the UK is already clearer than it was. Might they not be willing to

:29:19. > :29:24.abandoned plans for a second independence referendum if the UK

:29:25. > :29:29.does not invoke article 50? But when Parliament takes its decision, my

:29:30. > :29:33.party will stand up for our internationalism, for our

:29:34. > :29:38.fundamental belief that we should play our full part in the European

:29:39. > :29:42.Union. We will take that principled position even if there is a

:29:43. > :29:48.political cost. Just as my honourable friend did over the war

:29:49. > :29:53.in Iraq for which we are likely to receive vindication tomorrow nine

:29:54. > :29:58.years late, just as my right honourable friend Nick Clegg did

:29:59. > :30:03.taking us into coalition with the Conservatives at a dangerous time

:30:04. > :30:08.for Britain and that of his political cost, leading to five

:30:09. > :30:12.years of stable and I would argue successful majority government but

:30:13. > :30:17.ultimately leading to damaging losses for the Liberal Democrats.

:30:18. > :30:22.Which ironically delivered to David Cameron the overall majority and the

:30:23. > :30:30.referendum that have proved to be his nemesis. So I echo much of what

:30:31. > :30:36.the noble Lords have said. I trust that not only my party but

:30:37. > :30:43.Parliament will continue to do what members of both houses with full

:30:44. > :30:50.regard for the referendum result in their believed to believe in the

:30:51. > :30:53.national interest of the UK. That is the basis of Parliamentary democracy

:30:54. > :30:58.and of the sovereignty of Parliament and if ultimately Parliament decides

:30:59. > :31:09.that it should put the terms and withdrawal to the people once again,

:31:10. > :31:15.then so be it. The first political think I made as a teenager was in

:31:16. > :31:19.1968 was to hear the Speaker extolled the virtues of the common

:31:20. > :31:23.market. His arguments but even more so the wartime experiences of my

:31:24. > :31:26.father and grandfather were the clinching argument is for me to

:31:27. > :31:31.support entering the common market. My father had seen action in the

:31:32. > :31:47.North African desert and his brother was killed in the RAF. Great War

:31:48. > :31:51.poetry read last week 100 years after 20,000 British Empire soldiers

:31:52. > :31:57.lost their lives in the first aid of the Battle of the Somme recorders

:31:58. > :32:02.catastrophic events. Sadly though, another generation later, such

:32:03. > :32:03.powerful and shocking patriotic experiences seem to have lost much

:32:04. > :32:16.of their resonance. My support for what became the

:32:17. > :32:22.European committee was shipped by the European founding fathers. --

:32:23. > :32:26.community. Our Christian humans as believing in solidarity and the

:32:27. > :32:30.promotion of the common good and social justice and reconciliation

:32:31. > :32:34.that was for those reasons that in 1975 as a young local politician in

:32:35. > :32:42.Liverpool I campaign for Britain to stay in the community and 67% of the

:32:43. > :32:46.British people agreed. So an intervening years what went wrong?

:32:47. > :32:51.What has changed? I TiVos and seven the Trinity had morphed into a union

:32:52. > :33:02.in that year I spoke against the Lisbon Treaty. -- chip amenity. --

:33:03. > :33:06.community. I do not believe in a European currency of a European army

:33:07. > :33:11.of the trappings of a superstate. One size does not fit all. Though

:33:12. > :33:18.the referendum along with my family I voted to remain in the European

:33:19. > :33:23.committee it was clear to me they would be aboard for the Leave

:33:24. > :33:27.campaign. This was confirmed when I chaired a meeting in Lancashire with

:33:28. > :33:30.before the vote. I cannot help thinking about the problems of

:33:31. > :33:36.binary choices that are preferred had been available on their ballot

:33:37. > :33:42.paper I would have voted to remain and reform. Finally choices are by

:33:43. > :33:47.definition narrow. In Scotland a third option of devolution max

:33:48. > :33:52.rather than independence or status quo would have united rather than

:33:53. > :33:56.divided. If in the future we have to have more referendums we should

:33:57. > :34:00.think more carefully about the questions we ask. Just before the

:34:01. > :34:06.board some close to me said she did not know anybody who is voting

:34:07. > :34:10.Leave. This can rapidly illustrated how dangerously separated and

:34:11. > :34:14.divided country has become. It is not all in the London Underground

:34:15. > :34:19.that we need to mind the Gap, the spectre of inequality which would

:34:20. > :34:27.have fared to buy the most Reverend Primate remind us not just of gaps

:34:28. > :34:34.that of chasms. -- which we were reminded by. Many are in northern

:34:35. > :34:36.towns and living in rural communities and our dangerously

:34:37. > :34:41.disconnected from the political classes. It will be disingenuous

:34:42. > :34:47.beyond belief to caricature or dismiss all those who voted for

:34:48. > :34:53.Brexit xenophobes are racists and I say that somebody whose mother was

:34:54. > :35:05.an immigrant and his first language was Irish. She greatly treasures

:35:06. > :35:09.Britain. These poisonous arguments have not been seen since the days of

:35:10. > :35:13.Peter Griffiths and love long-term consequences for mitigation. It is

:35:14. > :35:20.much easier to summon up the tempest than quell it. Much easier to call

:35:21. > :35:35.up the series at the dismiss them. -- refugees. -- refugees. --Furies.

:35:36. > :35:42.People should be weaponised their current negotiations at. Many of the

:35:43. > :35:48.votes were angry boats field by scepticism about the ability of

:35:49. > :35:52.Europe to deal with the mass migration of terrified people and

:35:53. > :35:55.this was not assuaged by Jean-Claude Junker telling us that however we

:35:56. > :36:02.ported it would not make any difference. Lord Heseltine and

:36:03. > :36:07.wisely said last week, and I quote, that has to be a way to resist

:36:08. > :36:10.public opinion. It is bad enough that millions of our pool of

:36:11. > :36:14.citizens believe that the establishment has become impervious

:36:15. > :36:17.to their fate but it would be an bully doubly dangerous to tell

:36:18. > :36:22.scented on the half-million people that they will not be listened to

:36:23. > :36:34.and will be resisted. -- 17 and a half people. -- 17 and half-million

:36:35. > :36:38.people. Article 50 Asks to listen to an existing member and take account

:36:39. > :36:42.of its framework for future relationship. This crisis must be

:36:43. > :36:47.used to create a range of new relationships at every level perhaps

:36:48. > :36:58.modelled reticence on the youth framework programmes such as Horizon

:36:59. > :37:01.20 stroke 20. -- EU. So is a land of Israel are part of this but not part

:37:02. > :37:06.of the European Union it is imperative that political paralysis

:37:07. > :37:10.does not delay working relationship such as these which are urgent

:37:11. > :37:14.questions and government simply cannot go into hibernation. Skilful

:37:15. > :37:20.negotiators will need wise heads and steely nerves and steady hands to

:37:21. > :37:26.see whether within the framework there is solidarity and the common

:37:27. > :37:29.good and we can create new opportunities to live together

:37:30. > :37:34.amicably. We all it to those who bought our and Europe's freedom is

:37:35. > :37:37.whether blood and with our lives and we owe it to all those who know feel

:37:38. > :37:48.marginalised and fearful for their own futures. -- now. Lord Alton has

:37:49. > :37:49.made a wise speech and I am sure every member of the House will

:37:50. > :38:05.completely endorse what he said. nationals and European nationals

:38:06. > :38:09.should never become bargaining counter and that article should be

:38:10. > :38:13.put clearly and firmly and unequivocally as early as possible.

:38:14. > :38:19.I have had every single word of 35 speeches that have preceded mine.

:38:20. > :38:23.They have been very varied. It is quite clear that in the three weeks

:38:24. > :38:30.that have elapsed since we last debated on the 15th of June issue of

:38:31. > :38:35.the referendum, some feelings have hardened and that our wounds that

:38:36. > :38:39.are still deep and there is an understandable inhalation on the

:38:40. > :38:44.part of some of who have stood not expect that they would be so

:38:45. > :38:49.euphoric today. But in those immortal words we are there we are

:38:50. > :38:57.and we have got to move forward constructively. WS said anything in

:38:58. > :39:04.this debate so far about the necessity of trying to have another

:39:05. > :39:08.British commissioner, the noble Lord Hill having in my view prematurely

:39:09. > :39:16.matured. Nothing has been said about the need for us to take seriously

:39:17. > :39:21.the fact that next year the presidency is supposed to fall to

:39:22. > :39:27.this country. I do believe that so long as we remember of the European

:39:28. > :39:35.Union we have to be fully participating member of the European

:39:36. > :39:41.Union. But I want to concentrate my remarks on one issue above all

:39:42. > :39:45.others. I do so in the secure knowledge that if one wants to keep

:39:46. > :39:51.a secret it is a good idea to make a speech in the House of Lords but I

:39:52. > :39:56.want to appeal to our colleagues at the other end of the corridor,

:39:57. > :40:03.particularly to our colleagues in the Conservative Party. Today they

:40:04. > :40:11.are casting their votes in the first ballot for conservative leadership.

:40:12. > :40:17.Whether one believes it was wise or foolish of the Prime Minister to

:40:18. > :40:21.announce his resignation so soon, I personally do not think he had any

:40:22. > :40:31.alternative, he did announce it. Help for Lee honourably. --

:40:32. > :40:35.perfectly honourably. In a vacuum and vacuum and time and again we

:40:36. > :40:40.have had those words, and they have been quoted in this debate today,

:40:41. > :40:45.that everything will depend upon the new Prime Minister, the new

:40:46. > :40:51.government. At a time when one of the principal ingredients of a

:40:52. > :40:59.parliamentary democracy is entirely absent, namely a strong opposition,

:41:00. > :41:04.we are in a vacuum as far as the government is concerned. We need a

:41:05. > :41:10.Prime Minister and we need a Prime Minister soon. Those who are a spy

:41:11. > :41:15.ring to the leadership of the Conservative Party and therefore to

:41:16. > :41:21.be Prime Minister of our great country, it is and will remain a

:41:22. > :41:27.great country, have a duty if over the next few days, today and

:41:28. > :41:32.Thursday and next Tuesday, it becomes apparent that a particular

:41:33. > :41:38.candidate has a very considerable support, I think we have the duty to

:41:39. > :41:42.roll in the that candidate. -- and they have the duty. I would be

:41:43. > :41:49.disingenuous for the not confess my own view and that there is one

:41:50. > :41:55.candidate who does have those qualities which were referred to

:41:56. > :41:59.earlier by Baroness Goldie, of steely determination and a steady

:42:00. > :42:09.hand and long experience of high office. I believe that Theresa May

:42:10. > :42:16.has another quality which is very important indeed. Contrary to what

:42:17. > :42:23.many of my friends who were on the Brexit side say I believe will get a

:42:24. > :42:30.far better deal in Europe if the Prime Minister of our country is not

:42:31. > :42:37.perceived as hostile by those with whom she is negotiating. And I very

:42:38. > :42:44.much hope, my Lords, that during the course of the next week we will see

:42:45. > :42:50.a clear favourite edge at the other end of the corridor who will be able

:42:51. > :42:55.to assume the mantle of Prime Minister before the end of this

:42:56. > :43:01.month. I know people talk about the vote in the country at what are we

:43:02. > :43:06.talking about, my lords? We're talking about an electorate which is

:43:07. > :43:14.twice the size of an ordinary constituency. About 140,000

:43:15. > :43:24.electors. And we're talking of people who are not necessarily

:43:25. > :43:29.representative of the ordinary Conservative fort. In the days when

:43:30. > :43:34.I became active in politics over 50 years ago the Conservative Party of

:43:35. > :43:38.tuna half-million members. There were 500,000 of the Young

:43:39. > :43:46.Conservatives alone and truly was a mass political movement. It is any

:43:47. > :43:53.more. And I believe it would be self-indulgent for our party in the

:43:54. > :43:57.country to maintain a political vacuum to hold up the election of a

:43:58. > :44:04.leader at a time when we desperately need firm, clear, decisive

:44:05. > :44:11.leadership. We need a government selected by the Prime Minister in

:44:12. > :44:14.whom the Prime Minister can have confidence and who can have

:44:15. > :44:21.confidence in serving that Prime Minister. My lords, I make no

:44:22. > :44:25.apology for making this appeal to friends and colleagues at the other

:44:26. > :44:30.end of the corridor and two friends and colleagues, and I have many,

:44:31. > :44:34.having sat in the other place as a Conservative member for 40 and

:44:35. > :44:38.instructed years. Many friends and colleagues in the Conservative Party

:44:39. > :44:46.up and down the country. But collectively those of us who are

:44:47. > :44:54.Conservatives have this duty, it is a national duty, and it is lower and

:44:55. > :44:59.national duty at a time when, and I grieve about this, the opposition is

:45:00. > :45:06.in such disarray. I very much hope we will soon see a strong, credible

:45:07. > :45:09.leader of a strong, credible alternative government but my lords

:45:10. > :45:15.we do not have that luxury at the moment. And so the responsibility

:45:16. > :45:20.lies with us, those of us on these benches and this House and in the

:45:21. > :45:32.other place and I hope by the end of this month number ten Downing St

:45:33. > :45:36.will have a new document -- occupant in who we will have confidence will

:45:37. > :45:41.be able to lead the most tricky negotiations country sad in a long

:45:42. > :45:44.time. I've read every speech and will have to leave because in a few

:45:45. > :45:49.minutes I am launching the House of Lords volumes, which many of you

:45:50. > :45:54.will be familiar, dealing with the critical history between the

:45:55. > :46:00.Restoration in 1660 and the coming of the Hanoverians and 1714. Having

:46:01. > :46:04.a sense of history was once a sense of perspective and does help me to

:46:05. > :46:11.overcome some of the gloom which has engulfed me in the last two weeks.

:46:12. > :46:15.It is or was a pleasure to follow Lord, and can I say when he was

:46:16. > :46:18.speaking of a woman to lead to a woman to lead with steel

:46:19. > :46:25.determination and decisiveness to get on with business, I thought he

:46:26. > :46:32.was talking about Angela Eagle. I am reminded of the final and closing

:46:33. > :46:39.words of King Lear. The weight of the sad times we must obey. Speak

:46:40. > :46:43.what we feel, not what we ought to say. And therefore my lords it is

:46:44. > :46:51.with sorrow and not with anger that I will dwell, and like the noble

:46:52. > :46:54.lord Lord Butler, on the campaign. But I recognise as well the sadness

:46:55. > :47:01.on the government benches and I believe from the government at a

:47:02. > :47:05.result it did not want. It campaign for the very different result, but

:47:06. > :47:12.nonetheless a determination to sort out this mess.

:47:13. > :47:21.I served for 15 years as a very active member of the European

:47:22. > :47:27.Parliament. During all of my time, I have never recognised the European

:47:28. > :47:33.institutions as represented in this country and represented in debate.

:47:34. > :47:39.It was Alan Ayckbourn who said a comedy is a tragedy interrupted. We

:47:40. > :47:44.are in the midst of a national tragedy of unimagined proportions.

:47:45. > :47:52.We have witnessed the tragicomedy in the wake of the referendum result.

:47:53. > :47:58.As Johnson and Nigel Farage, latter-day Laurel and Hardys,

:47:59. > :48:11.shuffle off with another fine mess they have got us into. Then Michael

:48:12. > :48:15.Gove, having derided experts, now does a 360 degrees turn. And into

:48:16. > :48:22.this interesting storyline, a web of lies and deceit, of hate and fear.

:48:23. > :48:33.The right-wing British press added its misinformation and barefaced

:48:34. > :48:42.lies and I believe underlined a decision-making democracy. Strong

:48:43. > :48:46.words, my lords. Truth was sacrificed. Immigrants and migrants

:48:47. > :48:54.were paraded as factors of fear and threats to our way of life. They

:48:55. > :49:00.became figures of hate and it is our eternal shame. Was the right wing

:49:01. > :49:07.press objective and fair, according to internationally agreed principles

:49:08. > :49:15.on election observation? The answer is an unequivocal no and it serves

:49:16. > :49:19.me no great pleasure to state that. A lacklustre media saw fabrication,

:49:20. > :49:24.ignorance and pure invention go unchallenged and uncorrected by

:49:25. > :49:32.presenters who should have known better or should have been briefed

:49:33. > :49:36.better. The denial of a veto, of ?350 million a week that was

:49:37. > :49:44.supposedly going to Brussels and the EU defence Force. Most of it went

:49:45. > :49:49.uncorrected. And the disgraceful depiction of Turkey in Turkish

:49:50. > :49:56.people as negative and a threat to this country is unforgivable. If

:49:57. > :50:03.nothing else, the Leave campaign is owed an apology to Turkey and the

:50:04. > :50:08.Turkish people. No, I am afraid I do not agree with the Leader of the

:50:09. > :50:13.House. This was not a great democratic exercise, not at all. It

:50:14. > :50:17.was a shameful campaign which I believe has diminished Great Britain

:50:18. > :50:24.and our place in the world, let alone Europe. Europe, precisely when

:50:25. > :50:30.we should have supported the EU in the refugee crisis and the Euro

:50:31. > :50:34.crisis, we abandoned any sense of solidarity and became self obsessed

:50:35. > :50:44.and self-serving and in so doing, we threw away 1000 years of history. We

:50:45. > :50:50.now are in a perfect political storm, rudderless, leaderless and

:50:51. > :50:55.yes, I refer to my own party as well. And might I add clueless.

:50:56. > :51:02.Nearly two weeks after the referendum result, we wait for the

:51:03. > :51:09.Leave plan, we wait in vain because plan comes they're not. And that is

:51:10. > :51:14.why there was not one. And that is why Parliament must consider how to

:51:15. > :51:19.act, consider carefully and slowly the options because this will affect

:51:20. > :51:23.not only our generation but generations yet to come and younger

:51:24. > :51:34.generations as noble Lords have said who feel betrayed. My lords, we must

:51:35. > :51:39.not be defied by right wing narrow nationalism, racism or xenophobia.

:51:40. > :51:43.Britain is better than that. We are better than that. But a dark

:51:44. > :51:48.underbelly has been revealed and encouraged by the right-wing press

:51:49. > :51:52.and is deeply disturbing. I woke up on the 20 boards of June to feel

:51:53. > :51:58.like I did not belong in Mayan country, that my values of fairness,

:51:59. > :52:05.decency, human rights, justice and inclusivity had been rejected but

:52:06. > :52:10.now I am more determined than ever to uphold those values. They are

:52:11. > :52:16.British values and the European values. A Europe born out of the

:52:17. > :52:22.ashes the Second World War, ashes from people's hopes, dreams and the

:52:23. > :52:28.ashes of crematoria dotted across Europe where people went because

:52:29. > :52:31.they were perceived and portrayed as different. And out of that history

:52:32. > :52:37.came the determination that we would never look at way again, we would

:52:38. > :52:42.never scapegoat, we would never see country fight country for power,

:52:43. > :52:47.coal, steel or economic superiority, Europe based on fundamental human

:52:48. > :52:56.rights, a Britain that helped to construct that now turns the other

:52:57. > :53:00.way. And EU nationals to whom your Lordships have referred currently

:53:01. > :53:05.residing there. On the issue of giving them reassurance, Downing

:53:06. > :53:12.Street was quoted as, no immediate change the status. The Home Office

:53:13. > :53:16.minister yesterday offered little more but the Foreign Secretary was

:53:17. > :53:20.quite clear and said, it's absurd to guarantee a right to stay in the

:53:21. > :53:30.United Kingdom before reciprocal deals were done for it UK expats in

:53:31. > :53:36.the European Union. My lords, what ever happened to leadership? We

:53:37. > :53:40.should show vision, darts and above else principle, the principles of a

:53:41. > :53:44.country with human rights and civil liberties at its heart and not at

:53:45. > :53:51.the fringes of a negotiating process. The House is clear. Afford

:53:52. > :53:57.the right to reside. These people have settled here will stop they are

:53:58. > :54:02.employed here, businesses said, they have mortgages, children and

:54:03. > :54:10.schools, they are part of the fabric that holds our society together and

:54:11. > :54:13.we must not abandon that. In conclusion, the Archbishop of

:54:14. > :54:20.Canterbury showed he understood well that now we must come together as a

:54:21. > :54:27.nation and might I suggest that we should not rule out the prospect of

:54:28. > :54:30.a government of national unity? The Archbishop recognise clearly that

:54:31. > :54:37.inequality is at the very root of the disenfranchised and disempowered

:54:38. > :54:44.feeling felt by so many. We need to catch hold of that hope you spoke

:54:45. > :54:47.of, not abandoned hope, and find the means to celebrate difference in

:54:48. > :54:55.diversity is fundamental values of our country. An inclusive and

:54:56. > :55:00.outward looking country. But in the meantime, the comedian are leaving

:55:01. > :55:11.the stage and the tragedy continues to unfold. A gentle reminder that

:55:12. > :55:15.recent speeches have exceeded the advisory time. The advisory

:55:16. > :55:19.backbench speaking time for this debate is seven minutes so if noble

:55:20. > :55:28.Lords adhere to this, then the House might be expected to rise not too

:55:29. > :55:32.late. I am proud to be speaking from the Liberal Democrats benches where

:55:33. > :55:38.we have a leader whose position is secure and has the support of all of

:55:39. > :55:44.us. I am also proud that it was a Liberal Democrats MP, who has taken

:55:45. > :55:48.the only real action to secure the position of EU citizens living and

:55:49. > :55:54.working here. But these are small consolation to me today because I

:55:55. > :56:01.have such concern about the effect on the NHS. Of all the disasters

:56:02. > :56:05.that will result from the European referendum, one of the worst is the

:56:06. > :56:09.effect on our health and social care services on which the outcome is

:56:10. > :56:16.likely to inflict significant damage. It was also the subject of

:56:17. > :56:21.the biggest, that is the lie of the Leave campaign and one of those that

:56:22. > :56:28.was retracted almost before the ink was to run the result. ?350 million

:56:29. > :56:32.extra per week for the NHS was plastered all over the campaign

:56:33. > :56:37.buses and even though it was frequently pointed out that this

:56:38. > :56:40.could not happen, the Leave campaigners cynically waited until

:56:41. > :56:46.after the results, reluctantly to admit that it was not true. Where

:56:47. > :56:52.does that leave those who voted Leave because they thought it would

:56:53. > :56:57.help the NHS which so desperately needs more funding? Betrayed and

:56:58. > :57:01.angry, that is where it leaves them, conned into delivering their

:57:02. > :57:08.precious vote in the hands of a bunch of charlatans! I know that the

:57:09. > :57:14.noble lady would prefer us to sweep these facts under the carpet today

:57:15. > :57:19.and be positive but they matter, not least because some of those now

:57:20. > :57:23.seeking to leave this country had every opportunity to correct this

:57:24. > :57:30.misinformation and they did not take it. So where are we now? We have an

:57:31. > :57:36.NHS which relies completely on funding from a thriving economy if

:57:37. > :57:40.it is ever to be able to deliver on the needs of an ageing population

:57:41. > :57:44.and one that rightly demand the benefits of the latest medical and

:57:45. > :57:52.scientific research. It also relies on immigrants. It is estimated that

:57:53. > :57:57.10,000 EU doctors and 52,000 EU nurses are working in our NHS today.

:57:58. > :58:01.And what have we heard from the government and those wishing to lead

:58:02. > :58:08.it about those people? Only that they are to be used as a pawn in the

:58:09. > :58:13.negotiations to leave the EU. There are 335 EU citizens working in the

:58:14. > :58:17.Norfolk and Norwich Hospital alone. They do not know what will happen to

:58:18. > :58:22.them in two years' time. How odd that hospital manage if they got fed

:58:23. > :58:27.up waiting for some assurances and went home? It is disgraceful to play

:58:28. > :58:32.a game of poker with these people's lives and their contribution to our

:58:33. > :58:36.health service. The government must do the right thing now and give

:58:37. > :58:41.those workers the confidence of knowing that the UK wants to keep

:58:42. > :58:45.them here, contributing to our care and economy, and what about all the

:58:46. > :58:50.thousands working on very low pay in our social care sector, caring for

:58:51. > :58:55.the old and vulnerable and putting up with minimal wages for doing a

:58:56. > :58:59.very difficult job? It is time the government took the initiative and

:59:00. > :59:04.said these citizens will be allowed to stay if ever the UK leaves the

:59:05. > :59:10.EU. And then there is the effect on our ability to recruit the best

:59:11. > :59:12.research talent from abroad and the effect on the pharmaceutical

:59:13. > :59:17.companies who have to invest millions of pounds to develop new

:59:18. > :59:21.drugs and treatments. Reducing corporation taxes will not reverse

:59:22. > :59:27.the damage to them. Investment decisions are already being made or

:59:28. > :59:29.postponed. And why would highly qualified researchers and medical

:59:30. > :59:35.staff come here when they don't feel welcome and have to jump through all

:59:36. > :59:39.sorts of hoops to get here? The UK is part of a worldwide marketplace

:59:40. > :59:43.for talent and there is a chronic global shortage of highly qualified

:59:44. > :59:48.research and clinical staff. We have just made it more difficult to

:59:49. > :59:54.attract the best. On the big issue of resource on, we have heard many

:59:55. > :59:59.times about the ?30 billion gap in NHS funding and the ?6 billion gap

:00:00. > :00:04.in social care funding. My honourable friend has long called

:00:05. > :00:07.for a new beverage commission, an independent commission to look at

:00:08. > :00:12.how health and social care should be funded. This is needed now more than

:00:13. > :00:17.ever because the economy is in crisis and it is our taxes that pay

:00:18. > :00:23.for the NHS. In the next few months, the biggest threat to the NHS will

:00:24. > :00:28.come from a recession driven round of additional spending cuts, hitting

:00:29. > :00:34.non-ring fenced budget is such a social care. Such cuts would be

:00:35. > :00:40.almost as bad for the NHS as direct funding cuts and would significantly

:00:41. > :00:42.exacerbate the financial problems of the Acute Hospital trusts. The

:00:43. > :00:46.promises from the current Chancellor and at least one of the Conservative

:00:47. > :00:51.candidates for leader to abandon their manifesto promise to remove

:00:52. > :00:56.the deficit by 2020 is quite a sensible in light of the fact that

:00:57. > :01:00.they are hardly likely to deliver it if we have an economic recession.

:01:01. > :01:05.While I welcome that pledge, I cannot see how a failing economy

:01:06. > :01:09.will be able to deliver the funding public services need to survive. The

:01:10. > :01:19.government needs to steady the ship but we have no captain and back

:01:20. > :01:26.captain is to be elected by 0.03% of the electoral? ! I don't call that

:01:27. > :01:31.democracy. Changing models of care are essential for the sustainability

:01:32. > :01:36.of the NHS but now there are far too many uncertainties to allow health

:01:37. > :01:41.service managers to plan for change, uncertainty is just as bad for the

:01:42. > :01:45.NHS is the City of London. One recent change with great potential

:01:46. > :01:49.was the devolution the Manchester of the powers to deliver health and

:01:50. > :01:54.social care. However, even of the government remains committed to this

:01:55. > :01:58.devolution, the civil service will be so busy disentangling ours from

:01:59. > :02:00.Europe that they will not have the capacity to do the work. And in the

:02:01. > :02:15.longer term, there will be issues All the other elements of contracts

:02:16. > :02:18.that have been so hard-fought. So will the government had no pledge

:02:19. > :02:27.there will be no further cuts to public services? Brexit Could

:02:28. > :02:32.undermine staffing and research and reform and evolution and funding. I

:02:33. > :02:40.find it very difficult to be the instruction of the Archbishop of

:02:41. > :02:53.Canterbury in his ex-excellent speech this morning to be hopeful.

:02:54. > :02:55.To keep calm and carry on the spite the turbulent waters into which we

:02:56. > :03:03.have been steered by the man without a plan. The noble lady, whom it is

:03:04. > :03:09.pleasure to follow, is an orator and the spoken eloquently on the

:03:10. > :03:12.question of the NHS. I shall leave the merits of this debate behind

:03:13. > :03:18.that I should perhaps begin by saying that I did favour aboard for

:03:19. > :03:23.Remain and as I have suggested in a letter to the Times, whatever might

:03:24. > :03:28.be thought to be our own national interests in the matter, the wider

:03:29. > :03:34.interests of you that as a whole surely dictated that we should

:03:35. > :03:38.remain. That is now the star Jan the present reality is that the majority

:03:39. > :03:43.of our citizens have voted to leave. We have already now lost not only

:03:44. > :03:49.Prime Minister but the benefits, limited though they were, that he

:03:50. > :03:58.achieved the February positions. The only lawful route to leaving is via

:03:59. > :04:03.our Article 50 notification. I think that is undisputed amongst lawyers.

:04:04. > :04:08.It is clear that they cannot loftily repeal the next 72 act, particularly

:04:09. > :04:18.in the past that submitted to the parliamentary of EU law. Until we

:04:19. > :04:25.have left the union. Altogether less clear is whether under UK law at

:04:26. > :04:31.parliamentary process, probably an act of Parliament is necessary in

:04:32. > :04:35.order to authorise an Article 50 notification withdrawal of this be

:04:36. > :04:42.done by the executive under prerogative powers. That issue as we

:04:43. > :04:51.know is no partly subject to litigation. The views police present

:04:52. > :04:59.legislation is required. -- legislation. Another retired law

:05:00. > :05:11.lord yesterday in the Times to the opposite view. This question will be

:05:12. > :05:18.decided purely by deference to our domestic law because it depends

:05:19. > :05:22.ultimately what in the language of Article 50 our own constitutional

:05:23. > :05:28.requirements. I tend as he did to share the view that legislation is

:05:29. > :05:33.necessary but at the end of the day that might become an academic issue

:05:34. > :05:37.because as Lord Millett ended his letter by saying in practice it

:05:38. > :05:43.would be politically impossible to implement Article 50 without the

:05:44. > :05:52.consent of the House of Commons. I would also suggest the consent of

:05:53. > :05:54.your Lordships. The quicker questions as should Parliament

:05:55. > :05:59.notwithstanding what I would suppose a substantial jollity and the

:06:00. > :06:05.members of both houses continue to believe, many indeed in the light of

:06:06. > :06:12.the gathering uncertainties, as to precisely what are Brexit would

:06:13. > :06:17.involve, are strengthened in their belief that Brexit would be highly

:06:18. > :06:23.damaging to our national interest let alone the wider interests of

:06:24. > :06:28.Europe as a whole. They should view the effect of the outcome of the

:06:29. > :06:33.board by authorising an Article 50 ratification. And whatever this is

:06:34. > :06:41.the incoming Prime Minister believes is best. The arguments for and

:06:42. > :06:45.against are bound to follow the will of the majority expressed the

:06:46. > :06:47.referendum vote are obvious in both size and have already been widely

:06:48. > :06:52.canvassed by several of your Lordships and I shall not rehouse

:06:53. > :07:00.them. They are neatly encapsulated in today's Times correspondence

:07:01. > :07:06.columns. One suggested rejecting the referendum result would be very

:07:07. > :07:13.dangerous for democracy man shot a betrayal of the already somewhat

:07:14. > :07:16.fragile trust the public us as parliamentarians. But other letters

:07:17. > :07:23.suggest that since parliamentary sovereignty was central plank of the

:07:24. > :07:27.Brexit campaign the campaigners could hardly complain if Parliament

:07:28. > :07:33.now rejects a vote to leave the EU. I have to say, albeit with great

:07:34. > :07:36.reluctance, like Lord Butler I am of the clear view that really we have

:07:37. > :07:42.to give a fact to the Leave vote was that this referendum was legislated

:07:43. > :07:45.for by a large majority in Parliament and designed to settle

:07:46. > :07:51.once and for all the basic question of principle, even though, ineptly

:07:52. > :08:00.as others have pointed out, it is suggested that we are faced with a

:08:01. > :08:04.simple binary choice. I worked on the subsidiary question, and other

:08:05. > :08:12.legal question, as to whether Article 50 an notification is

:08:13. > :08:17.irreversible. Suppose, following such a notification and negotiations

:08:18. > :08:22.under, it becomes apparent that really the best deal available would

:08:23. > :08:28.be conspicuously worse than remaining in the union. Could we

:08:29. > :08:32.simply abort the process and simply say we're going to stay? By with the

:08:33. > :08:41.process have to proceed in inexorably to the exit door? Lord

:08:42. > :08:53.carer has suggested we could change our mind. -- care. --Kerr. So to

:08:54. > :08:59.have Lord Edwards and Professor Wyatt. I hope they are right but I

:09:00. > :09:02.have to say that I have read very powerful Eagle eyed as the contrary

:09:03. > :09:10.and this illegal issue which if it did arise would have to be decided

:09:11. > :09:17.by the ECJ. We cannot count on being given a second chance to stay once

:09:18. > :09:21.we are given negotiation and proceeding down that road. It may be

:09:22. > :09:25.that the other 27 states would be happy to allow this to change minds,

:09:26. > :09:33.particularly as Lord Butler envisages the union has already

:09:34. > :09:36.moved to an position that is less extreme on the position of movement

:09:37. > :09:41.but I'm not myself optimistic about this. I feel that the rest of the

:09:42. > :09:50.union will not wish to be seen to be trimming this cardinal principle in

:09:51. > :09:54.order to encourage are generally disobliging state as they would

:09:55. > :09:57.receive us to be to stay with them. But that said that is not a word in

:09:58. > :10:02.the speech by Lord Butler with which I disagree. This essentially as a

:10:03. > :10:11.concurring judgment, it is not a descent. Because we are unable to

:10:12. > :10:18.guarantee a second chance, a second bite of the cherry, it is surely

:10:19. > :10:22.imperative that we do not notify our Article 50 decision until we have in

:10:23. > :10:27.place and plan was the government is quite sure will satisfy all those

:10:28. > :10:32.who voted for Brexit and is lightly to be achievable the real world and

:10:33. > :10:46.alas this at present only no such plan agreed by all Brexit

:10:47. > :10:58.campaigners, and one only has two contrasts Lord Lawson with Lord

:10:59. > :11:11.Amada. --Maude. I feel thunderstorms. -- fear. No doubt one

:11:12. > :11:14.day the clouds will clear but I fear thunderstorms are on the way. Boris

:11:15. > :11:19.may have gone but he leaves this in his wake. The story is told that

:11:20. > :11:24.when Hugh Gaitskell made this past that speech at the Labour Party

:11:25. > :11:27.conference that Britain should not join the Common market as it then

:11:28. > :11:34.was his wife turned to him and said all the wrong people achieving. I

:11:35. > :11:41.must say that is how I felt when the referendum result was announced and

:11:42. > :11:52.one had that marry Nella Penn in France was over the moon. --Marie Le

:11:53. > :11:58.Pen And Donald Trump even took the trouble to go to Scotland to tell us

:11:59. > :12:01.how well we had done. These are not people to whom I hope this country

:12:02. > :12:13.would normally look to for Cheers. But nonetheless democracy trumps

:12:14. > :12:16.all. And the people aborted and the result is clearly missed your best

:12:17. > :12:20.and have the country to mitigate the consequences and achieve the best

:12:21. > :12:26.feature that we can. The place we should start, as the archbishop so

:12:27. > :12:38.eloquently pointed out is indeed to prevent the sort of views that Mrs

:12:39. > :12:42.Le Pen and Mr Wilders and Donald Trump advocate. I think it is very

:12:43. > :12:46.important to recognise the damage that has been done to communal and

:12:47. > :12:52.race relations as a result of much of what was said by the Levers in

:12:53. > :13:02.the campaign. I am not saying that they intended to and flame, null and

:13:03. > :13:05.racial nations but they were careless and what they said and on

:13:06. > :13:09.the posters they produced and the result of been clear. There has been

:13:10. > :13:14.an enormous increase in hate crimes against people and other parts of

:13:15. > :13:22.Europe and to Muslims and other people from outside the European

:13:23. > :13:26.continent. The motions have been inflamed and the impression has been

:13:27. > :13:32.given, and one as sinister television screens, but what Leave

:13:33. > :13:36.meant was that foreigners would go home and that they be going quickly

:13:37. > :13:41.and I think that one of the responsibility is that the Leave

:13:42. > :13:48.campaign leaders should now take up is to say explicitly and not just in

:13:49. > :13:53.the size or in the House of Commons but in the constituencies concerned

:13:54. > :13:59.that that is not what was meant and those people who are here, and I do

:14:00. > :14:03.not just mean doctors and lawyers and the people and the City, the

:14:04. > :14:08.people all over this country doing humble and modest jobs to the

:14:09. > :14:14.benefit of our economy, are as welcome here now as they were before

:14:15. > :14:22.and and I of course welcome what has been said in this debate about not

:14:23. > :14:27.using EU citizens as hostages are bargaining counters. Quite right and

:14:28. > :14:30.a great Gilmour is needed and I think the archbishop said this

:14:31. > :14:38.sullen example. But think we do need to ask ourselves in this anomaly

:14:39. > :14:43.tolerant societies are many people have been on the idea of venting

:14:44. > :14:50.their anger against immigrants. -- and great deal more. I do not think

:14:51. > :14:55.it is just a number of numbers as it was often worse places they're

:14:56. > :14:59.practically no immigrants at all. I believe it arises as others have

:15:00. > :15:02.said from a widespread sense of insecurity, a widespread sense among

:15:03. > :15:09.many people this country that their jobs at risk or are disappearing and

:15:10. > :15:13.they feel that while they are facing increasing difficulties, others are

:15:14. > :15:18.getting richer at their expense. They feel threatened by social and

:15:19. > :15:22.economic change, of which immigrants are the outward manifestation and

:15:23. > :15:29.thus become the scapegoat. Much of the Remain case which I supported,

:15:30. > :15:33.of course, was based on the proposition that our Leave and would

:15:34. > :15:39.damage the prosperity of the country and that of its citizens. I believe

:15:40. > :15:43.that to be true. But I do understand that for those who feel they have

:15:44. > :15:48.not shared in the fruits of asperity, it is not such a very

:15:49. > :15:51.convincing argument. I am a strong believer in the benefits of

:15:52. > :15:59.capitalism and globalisation but I do recognise, and I have been very

:16:00. > :16:04.much reminded of this by recent events, that the benefits of

:16:05. > :16:10.globalisation and capitalism have been very an equally distributed and

:16:11. > :16:19.I think it is very important to know that government tenders mind to

:16:20. > :16:22.doing more to ensure that while the strong are rewarded and encourage

:16:23. > :16:27.those who are at risk from change and who are suffering from change

:16:28. > :16:31.are protected and are given the means to adapt and to adjust and

:16:32. > :16:39.this is a problem which is going to get much more severe. A total of a

:16:40. > :16:43.recent book, the march of the robots, and the advances of

:16:44. > :16:50.artificial intelligence, I going to put at risk a great many more people

:16:51. > :16:55.much higher in the socio economic scale than have been suffering until

:16:56. > :16:59.recently and this, I think, is one of the great lessons we must learn

:17:00. > :17:04.from what has happened in the referendum and I would say to my own

:17:05. > :17:09.party, too, that I think we have far too often give the impression that

:17:10. > :17:16.we are in favour of austerity for its own sake rather than as a means

:17:17. > :17:18.of bringing about a stronger economy and that balance must also be

:17:19. > :17:29.righted. I would like to say a word about

:17:30. > :17:35.Britain and the EU. I hope that our relationship will be as close as

:17:36. > :17:38.possible, not just in trade, economic and financial matters. I

:17:39. > :17:46.hope that we will preserve as much as possible all that has been built

:17:47. > :17:50.up in this fair of political, foreign policy and security

:17:51. > :17:56.cooperation. I hope that in the area of development which covers trade

:17:57. > :18:01.agreements as well as aid, and where we have corroborated so effectively

:18:02. > :18:06.with our European partners, I hope that a great deal of that can be

:18:07. > :18:10.maintained as well. We must also remember that the EU and Nato are

:18:11. > :18:20.two sides of the same coin. We must not allow our EU partners, who are

:18:21. > :18:24.also our principal partners in Nato, to be damaged. There is a lot that

:18:25. > :18:30.can be saved and we must try to save what can be saved and build a better

:18:31. > :18:33.future for this country, both domestically and in terms of our

:18:34. > :18:41.relationships with our partners in future. There has been a great deal

:18:42. > :18:45.of wailing and gnashing of teeth in the House this afternoon. It seems

:18:46. > :18:49.only a short time ago that members of this House on all sides were

:18:50. > :18:54.urging the British public to register to vote and use that vote

:18:55. > :19:01.because we are all aware that low turnout elections of all kinds is of

:19:02. > :19:10.great concern and dangerous the future democratic engagement. I cast

:19:11. > :19:14.my vote in in the referendum in West Somerset. The turnout was

:19:15. > :19:21.extraordinary and excellent. The result in West Somerset was 39%

:19:22. > :19:26.Remain and 61% Leave. If democracy is to survive, it is essential that

:19:27. > :19:31.Parliament respects the will of the people. I wonder what message the

:19:32. > :19:36.electorate would receive and what their response would be if the

:19:37. > :19:39.voices who have called for another referendum, a general election, a

:19:40. > :19:43.delay in the hope that something will turn up and change their minds

:19:44. > :19:49.or indeed those who tell them that their vote is advisory only and that

:19:50. > :19:57.in effect parliamentarians know best. I am very grateful for all of

:19:58. > :20:02.the noble Baroness said in opening this debate. Every word I agree

:20:03. > :20:07.with. Whatever our views on this argument, we have got to do our best

:20:08. > :20:12.to give effect to that vote because not to do so would cause a

:20:13. > :20:19.repairable damage, not just the future political engagement, but

:20:20. > :20:23.even more seriously, when the electorate already mistrusts

:20:24. > :20:28.politicians like us and those on the Other Place, we would risk holding

:20:29. > :20:32.Parliamentary democracy below the water line. Political involvement is

:20:33. > :20:36.heavy stuff and all of us no emotions run high during the

:20:37. > :20:41.campaign and they still do as we can see in this House. They cut across

:20:42. > :20:46.friends, neighbours, work colleagues and even families but democracy

:20:47. > :20:50.surely means government by all the people, including those who do not

:20:51. > :20:54.agree with you, those who you think got it wrong, those who you believe

:20:55. > :21:00.were misled by your opponents or those who were too stupid or

:21:01. > :21:06.insufficiently well-educated to understand? Those are all arguments

:21:07. > :21:10.I have heard in the last week. The increase in reported racial hatred

:21:11. > :21:15.and abuses are utterly shameful and it is condemned rightly by all of

:21:16. > :21:22.us. We should also note that abuse of those who voted to leave is sadly

:21:23. > :21:27.not uncommon as well. As the right reverend said, there is an enormous

:21:28. > :21:31.amount to be done on both sides to heal the gap that has arisen. Unless

:21:32. > :21:35.people were deeply unconscious during the whole of the campaign,

:21:36. > :21:41.the electorate cannot have been aware that serious consequences

:21:42. > :21:46.would follow a vote to leave. It was spelt out in spades, it was

:21:47. > :21:51.amplified, repeated every day and embellished almost to appoint a

:21:52. > :21:54.farce. Few voters could have been unaware of the possibility, even

:21:55. > :21:59.probability, that they personally might be worse off. Whether you

:22:00. > :22:03.agreed with the majority view or not, people voted for what they

:22:04. > :22:11.believed was right for our nation and that took real courage in the

:22:12. > :22:19.face of that campaign. So what now? Other people have spoken of the

:22:20. > :22:22.damage and that is obvious, talk to anyone in retailing, business and

:22:23. > :22:26.manufacturing and they have things on hold because they are waiting to

:22:27. > :22:30.see what will happen. So we have got to do what we can to end uncertainty

:22:31. > :22:35.where we can and that means there has got to be a clear timetable

:22:36. > :22:40.which everyone understands and a clear process which is agreed

:22:41. > :22:43.because people cannot plan their lives if government delays on

:22:44. > :22:49.action. We have got to get on with it. Secondly, adults is a must have

:22:50. > :22:56.said, EU nationals currently have to have their minds later arrested, not

:22:57. > :23:00.in September but now. We have a Prime Minister. Could he not leave

:23:01. > :23:04.the packing cases for a very short time and remove a great deal of

:23:05. > :23:09.distress to many people and their families and their employers if they

:23:10. > :23:14.did so? But one more thing. A significant feature of the campaign

:23:15. > :23:20.was cross-party campaigning on both sides and I've lost count of the

:23:21. > :23:24.number of people who were remarks favourably on seeing the Prime

:23:25. > :23:29.Minister campaigning with Siddique Khan. Politicians working across the

:23:30. > :23:35.party divides. I believe the public is utterly fed up with the major

:23:36. > :23:40.political parties are possessing about their internal affairs. On

:23:41. > :23:45.these complex negotiations I believe the public wants to see cooperation,

:23:46. > :23:48.putting the nation first and above party, and I also believe that is

:23:49. > :23:57.essential to heal the divisions which the result has left. Surely we

:23:58. > :23:59.have now had quite enough of recriminations, negativity, hand

:24:00. > :24:06.rigging and pessimism? Brexit will go ahead, however we as individuals

:24:07. > :24:11.voted, we are all of us down a different place, so for goodness

:24:12. > :24:20.sake, let's get on with it and make a success of it! With the single,

:24:21. > :24:25.wonderful and it is inspirational exception of our football team, my

:24:26. > :24:29.country has perplexed and saddened me recently. I campaigned in the

:24:30. > :24:35.referendum in Cardiff which voted heavily to remain but much of the

:24:36. > :24:41.rest of Wales voted to leave, despite being a net beneficiary from

:24:42. > :24:46.EU money. That included rural areas with a heavy dependence on EU

:24:47. > :24:51.agricultural subsidies which now face a very uncertain future, it

:24:52. > :24:57.included the city of Swansea which has had many millions of pounds to

:24:58. > :25:02.build a new university campus from the EU and the heaviest Leave votes

:25:03. > :25:06.were in those parts of Wales which have benefited most intensively from

:25:07. > :25:12.EU funding. These are the areas which are at the sharp end when

:25:13. > :25:16.industrial and business investment recedes and indeed, the Cardiff

:25:17. > :25:26.Metro project, designed to link with the valleys, is already in doubt

:25:27. > :25:28.because of the almost inevitable withdrawal of EU funding. Successive

:25:29. > :25:35.governments have proved very unwilling in Britain to endorse the

:25:36. > :25:42.use of EU money for poorer areas and I recall that the very first big

:25:43. > :25:46.argument in the fledgling Welsh Assembly was about the Labour

:25:47. > :25:50.government's refusal to provide match funding, which is of course

:25:51. > :25:55.what you need when you have money from Europe. So I am very sceptical

:25:56. > :26:04.that current or future governments will simply plug the gap in the

:26:05. > :26:09.future. And anyway, the ?350 million, the mythical ?350 million,

:26:10. > :26:18.has been spent so many times over already. A slow fuse has been lit.

:26:19. > :26:25.People seemed to expect an immediate explosion after the EU decision.

:26:26. > :26:34.They looked to the stock market, expecting it to fall dramatically,

:26:35. > :26:39.but actually, what has happened is that business disinvestment will

:26:40. > :26:45.take years is that fuse slowly burns. I have one plea to the

:26:46. > :26:52.government, to ensure that the Welsh government is fully involved in the

:26:53. > :26:58.negotiations to come, if not the alienation in Wales will only

:26:59. > :27:05.increase and the government needs to be aware of creating another

:27:06. > :27:09.Scotland. I now want to concentrate on transport related issues. These

:27:10. > :27:12.are the practical problems that need to be solved or at least grappled

:27:13. > :27:18.with and there are issues that affect us in everyday life. I am

:27:19. > :27:24.pretty sure that the people who voted to leave still expect to be

:27:25. > :27:29.able to fly abroad to their summer holidays and buy goods that are

:27:30. > :27:34.being transported safely and in a timely manner from other countries.

:27:35. > :27:39.And there is a simple practical issue, that nobody can do anything

:27:40. > :27:45.about, no referendum, no decision, the continent of Europe stands

:27:46. > :27:51.between us and much of the rest of the world. The first issue is the

:27:52. > :27:56.Channel Tunnel. The dream of the Channel Tunnel long predates the

:27:57. > :28:02.European Union but it was constructed while Britain was a

:28:03. > :28:08.member and it has been executed and managed with EU membership at the

:28:09. > :28:18.forefront. It is privately financed privately run. The scale of the

:28:19. > :28:24.thing is enormous. 400 trains a day, 50,000 passengers a day, 54,000

:28:25. > :28:30.tonnes of freight per day. And of course the point is the British

:28:31. > :28:33.board is in France and that arrangement has already been placed

:28:34. > :28:40.in doubt. It is clear that many who voted to leave did so in the

:28:41. > :28:45.expectation of tighter border controls and this conflicts with the

:28:46. > :28:51.inspiration behind the Channel Tunnel, which was to have freer,

:28:52. > :28:57.faster movement of both people and goods between Britain and France.

:28:58. > :29:04.Any moves to implement tighter controls or applied in different

:29:05. > :29:08.ways will inevitably have an impact on business and the enormous

:29:09. > :29:13.investment that the Channel Tunnel represents. Has the government given

:29:14. > :29:19.any consideration to the impact of future models for immigration

:29:20. > :29:25.control on this business which has invested recently many millions of

:29:26. > :29:30.pounds on expansion plans? And how will control of movement through the

:29:31. > :29:36.tunnel work on future? Then there is air travel. Britain is part of the

:29:37. > :29:42.single European sky project. Europe has competence on air traffic

:29:43. > :29:48.management and the single European sky project defragment is European

:29:49. > :29:52.airspace, it reduces flight times, it's good for the environment, it

:29:53. > :29:58.increases safety. As space is divided into blocks, functional

:29:59. > :30:06.airspace blocks. We share a unified bloc with Ireland which will remain

:30:07. > :30:12.part of the EU. About 90% of North Atlantic traffic passes through this

:30:13. > :30:14.block. It's part of the modernisation of air traffic

:30:15. > :30:20.management technologies and I hope it is pretty obvious we need to

:30:21. > :30:28.remain part of it but here is the rub. The European safety agency has

:30:29. > :30:32.competence over our airports, air traffic management and air

:30:33. > :30:35.navigation services as part of this modernisation scheme, so the

:30:36. > :30:41.question for the government is, will we withdraw from this or is this yet

:30:42. > :30:47.another part of the EU which we suddenly discover is a benefit and

:30:48. > :30:51.not a burden? There is the aerospace industry, worth hundreds of billions

:30:52. > :30:57.of pounds to our economy, employing thousands of people, there is

:30:58. > :31:07.freight transport, whether by road, rail, sea or air, our lifeblood with

:31:08. > :31:13.over 700,000 vehicles travelling from Britain to mainland Europe in

:31:14. > :31:19.the first quarter of this year and we all know the impact last summer

:31:20. > :31:25.of the delays around Dover when we had operation Stack. Of course it

:31:26. > :31:34.calls time loss, money loss for those in the industry, but also

:31:35. > :31:38.destroyed the actual goods. Delay means the destruction of goods in

:31:39. > :31:45.the freight industry so changes and border control will affect that. I

:31:46. > :32:00.want to emphasise finally the importance that EU legislation has

:32:01. > :32:09.had the House on our roads. They all affect us every day as we drive on

:32:10. > :32:15.our roads. My Lords, the EU has at its core a very sound principle and

:32:16. > :32:19.I think many people are suddenly beginning to wake up to that.

:32:20. > :32:31.The outward like Doris comments on my noble friend. -- I would like to

:32:32. > :32:35.endorse. I think they both made the very important commented that it is

:32:36. > :32:41.absolutely essential note that this Parliament now and government give

:32:42. > :32:44.effect to the express view of our fellow citizens in the referendum

:32:45. > :32:50.and ensure that the most effective way forward is achieved for our

:32:51. > :32:54.great nation in terms of its future relationship with the European

:32:55. > :32:58.Union. To do anything less that runs a very serious risk of undermining

:32:59. > :33:06.our democracy and undermining faith in the work of our Parliament and

:33:07. > :33:09.further consolidating some very dangerous trends with regard to

:33:10. > :33:13.cohesion in society that have been identified and have come to the

:33:14. > :33:19.surface in the aftermath of the referendum. Before turning to that

:33:20. > :33:27.matter in some more detail I would like to pick up on a point made by

:33:28. > :33:38.my noble friend Lord Alton Ullapool. -- of Liverpool. I must declare an

:33:39. > :33:42.instant the market -- interest. He made the point that the areas of

:33:43. > :33:45.national activity which require clear advice and instruction from

:33:46. > :33:52.government in terms of dealing with consequences of the decision with

:33:53. > :34:00.regard to the referendum. One such area is in the area of collaboration

:34:01. > :34:04.in scientific research in Europe. It is well recognised and indeed in the

:34:05. > :34:08.last session of Parliament the science and technology committee

:34:09. > :34:12.undertook a very interesting report into the relationship between

:34:13. > :34:17.science and the European Union. There's no doubt that the

:34:18. > :34:26.negotiation as it goes forward provides the opportunity to

:34:27. > :34:33.consolidate to that relationship with the opinion. There been

:34:34. > :34:40.problems such as Horizon 2020 and must be the opportunity to do that.

:34:41. > :34:43.-- programmes. There are reports now that not the European institutions

:34:44. > :34:50.but other European universities and individuals are to exclude UK in

:34:51. > :34:53.universities and individuals from scientific collaborations that will

:34:54. > :34:57.be made in the coming weeks and months. That is clearly

:34:58. > :35:02.inappropriate. No final decision on the disposition between the

:35:03. > :35:07.relationship of our universities and the European Union has been reached

:35:08. > :35:11.and that will be a matter of negotiation and two is with this

:35:12. > :35:14.N-Gage runs the risk of destroying important networks and

:35:15. > :35:18.collaborations that have taken years to build and the last research

:35:19. > :35:23.opportunity as a result could have a profound impact on our economy where

:35:24. > :35:27.research and element is vitally important and an area of biomedical

:35:28. > :35:31.research profound impact on the health of the nation. It would be

:35:32. > :35:33.helpful to understand from the government was advice and able to

:35:34. > :35:38.provide now to ensure that these types of unilateral decisions by

:35:39. > :35:43.decisions in Europe and other institutions to scoop the UK

:35:44. > :35:46.partners should be addressed by UK universities to overcome this

:35:47. > :35:51.potentially important problem. I would like to turn now to the truly

:35:52. > :36:00.shocking and very worrying increased reporting of so-called hate crimes.

:36:01. > :36:03.Clearly this is a very difficult and very dangerous situation.

:36:04. > :36:06.Appropriate discussion and debate about the question of migration and

:36:07. > :36:11.integration into our country is absolutely justified and it

:36:12. > :36:15.certainly has formed an important part of recent political dialogue.

:36:16. > :36:24.But for that reason that debate to be hijacked by a legitimate focus on

:36:25. > :36:29.racism and prejudice is the wrong. " Is deep anxiety and committees from

:36:30. > :36:37.the European Union settled here in our great country and also other

:36:38. > :36:42.well-settled countries. It makes them feel they are no longer safe

:36:43. > :36:45.and secure at 11 committees in this country and that is truly a

:36:46. > :36:50.disaster. We have heard that the government has quite rightly

:36:51. > :36:55.encouraged those who are the subject of these terrible crimes to report

:36:56. > :36:59.them and it would be useful to understand when Her Majesty 's

:37:00. > :37:04.government 's hate crime strategy is going to be action planned and

:37:05. > :37:09.published and it is very important that this plan deals in some detail

:37:10. > :37:15.but what needs to be done in regard to resources for policing and

:37:16. > :37:17.resources for supporting community activities and committee

:37:18. > :37:21.organisations to drive forward and better understanding. It is also

:37:22. > :37:29.vitally important that the question of settled EU individuals,

:37:30. > :37:33.communities, in this country is addressed rapidly. A failure to

:37:34. > :37:36.address that question runs a very serious risk of allowing this

:37:37. > :37:41.prejudice to become a more established in the period of time

:37:42. > :37:45.until this question is properly addressed and that is clearly not

:37:46. > :37:49.the intention of anybody and either side of the European argument.

:37:50. > :37:56.Therefore it needs to be addressed effectively and rapidly. In addition

:37:57. > :38:00.to that I think we need to understand the underlying reasons

:38:01. > :38:04.for this reaction. We have had discussed in some detail this

:38:05. > :38:10.fascinating debate today. Those issues must not be ignored, they

:38:11. > :38:13.need to be addressed, they need to be addressed effectively to ensure

:38:14. > :38:19.that the lessons learned beyond the broader question of Europe can be

:38:20. > :38:25.understood and effectively addressed as part of public policy is to move

:38:26. > :38:30.forward in the years to come. But we must also use this as an opportunity

:38:31. > :38:35.to once again re-engage with our national values. At the heart of

:38:36. > :38:40.those national values as we had for the most Reverend primates, the

:38:41. > :38:48.Archbishop of Canterbury, earlier Mr big, at the heart of those values

:38:49. > :38:54.are tonnes and decency. -- earlier in this debate. It will be tolerance

:38:55. > :38:58.and decency that will ensure our long-term success at home and

:38:59. > :39:04.abroad. After listening to many speeches today and neurological

:39:05. > :39:12.sows, I'm afraid that mine will appear to be contrary. I do not in a

:39:13. > :39:20.contrarians spirit and not the contrary in mind. I voted in 1975 to

:39:21. > :39:25.the main in the European Union. The Lord Privy Seal said in opening the

:39:26. > :39:31.debate this morning that the referendum was a momentous

:39:32. > :39:38.democratic event. I think in our post-war history the Clement Attlee

:39:39. > :39:41.government of 1945 and the Thatcher government 's after 1979 with the

:39:42. > :39:49.two watershed events in post-war British politics. The result in this

:39:50. > :39:56.referendum was a response to a single question. Remain or leave? It

:39:57. > :40:04.did not fight the issue and neither did the result. -- fudge. It was

:40:05. > :40:08.clearly a protest against the growing power of Brussels over our

:40:09. > :40:15.own governance in these countries of hours and also for myself really a

:40:16. > :40:21.rejection of the sustainability of the European Union in its present

:40:22. > :40:27.form. The euro is a monetary union without a fiscal union and without a

:40:28. > :40:34.political union. It results in intolerant levels of unemployment of

:40:35. > :40:39.southern European countries and even worse levels amongst youth

:40:40. > :40:46.unemployment. Schengen is a great idea. But five member countries are

:40:47. > :40:50.putting up fences against other member countries. The established

:40:51. > :40:58.political parties in the European Union have failed to respond to the

:40:59. > :41:06.aspirations of their electorates and the result has been the growth of

:41:07. > :41:14.some very unattractive extremist parties. Lord Lamont, speaking

:41:15. > :41:18.earlier, mentioned the fact of falling for ever closer union in a

:41:19. > :41:23.number of key European countries and clearly it is not something they

:41:24. > :41:30.want and yet the strong feeling I have is that despite all of this the

:41:31. > :41:35.EU insists on carrying on to become a transnational state and I believe

:41:36. > :41:41.that your Lordships House has a role to play in the next few years of

:41:42. > :41:48.debating this issue. But we need to tread with care. As the Baroness

:41:49. > :41:55.stated so forcefully any attempt to undo what has been done would be

:41:56. > :42:00.seen as a betrayal of the democratic process and as Lord Lawson said

:42:01. > :42:05.earlier the result could be mayhem. For myself I believe that the vote

:42:06. > :42:14.really touched a deeper nerve in our society. It was something commented

:42:15. > :42:19.on the Archbishop of Canterbury. The board was, in my judgment, a

:42:20. > :42:24.judgment by people about the way British society has developed over

:42:25. > :42:28.the last few decades and the growing divide between the rich and the

:42:29. > :42:34.rest, between that the winners and losers from globalisation and the

:42:35. > :42:41.rapid change in our culture which is less people confused -- left people

:42:42. > :42:45.confuse them about the clear sense of identity and the sense that

:42:46. > :42:49.modern Britain has become a two class society with stagnant real

:42:50. > :42:52.incomes for lower-income members and inadequate housing and high youth

:42:53. > :43:00.unemployment and millions of families without any ownership state

:43:01. > :43:04.in this society. I think therefore that the brought not only affect

:43:05. > :43:12.Europe but to the board is frankly I wake-up call for us all. The way

:43:13. > :43:19.forward can only be set forward by a new Prime Minister and a new Cabinet

:43:20. > :43:23.and the first priority is to negotiate an exit on the best

:43:24. > :43:30.possible terms and we clearly have that very few trade negotiations and

:43:31. > :43:34.negotiators. New Zealand is very happy to help us. I think we are in

:43:35. > :43:39.a strong position on the single market and I do not think we have to

:43:40. > :43:44.assume that in two years of negotiations with the arguments will

:43:45. > :43:50.be black and white because there are many manufacturing companies in

:43:51. > :43:53.France and Italy and Germany and Sweden who are excited and depend

:43:54. > :43:58.for their profitability and exporting here. In terms of

:43:59. > :44:03.financial services would need some comparable deal and therefore I

:44:04. > :44:07.think that is every reason to think that we can negotiate a reasonable

:44:08. > :44:13.outcome and in addition to that we have new trade deals with Asia

:44:14. > :44:17.Pacific and Latin America and the Middle East and one thing we cannot

:44:18. > :44:25.duck after the vote is the issue of immigration. Continued immigration

:44:26. > :44:29.in my judgment is essential that the British economy and for our public

:44:30. > :44:38.services and indeed for our cultural well-being. But in following the

:44:39. > :44:41.leave about it is essential we are able to control our total numbers

:44:42. > :44:48.and I think the thing that scares people most in this area is not

:44:49. > :44:55.immigration per se but the fact that there's no limits to the potential

:44:56. > :44:59.number who can come in. If there were controls I think we would have

:45:00. > :45:07.much less concern about the issue. Next, we need to have a coherent

:45:08. > :45:11.economic strategy. The Chancellor has already discarded the objective

:45:12. > :45:18.of budget surplus by 2020 and you can see the opportunities for tax

:45:19. > :45:22.cuts in terms of 10% corporation tax and increased infrastructure

:45:23. > :45:25.spending and a third airport for London and transparent railway and

:45:26. > :45:31.the northern Power House and public service housing. -- public sector

:45:32. > :45:37.housing. Finally and most of the book for all we need to set out how

:45:38. > :45:44.we can create a more inclusive economy and society so that it

:45:45. > :45:50.family has our stake in economic life. -- each family. We knew far

:45:51. > :45:56.more houses but across private ownership and housing associations

:45:57. > :46:03.and local authorities. We need far more investment in chaining people

:46:04. > :46:09.for digital world. We have a camera six to 5000 people between the ages

:46:10. > :46:15.of 16 and 24 who are not in education, employment or training.

:46:16. > :46:21.-- training. I believe we can be stronger in trade and enterprise and

:46:22. > :46:27.in control of our borders outside of the EU. I believe our identity as

:46:28. > :46:35.foreign nations will be strengthened being outside the EU. -- four

:46:36. > :46:39.nations. Instead of project fear we need to project success and the

:46:40. > :46:48.conviction that we can do it with greater self-government so that our

:46:49. > :46:50.society can be better. If I look for my inspiration anywhere as a rugby

:46:51. > :47:05.fan it is to the Welsh soccer team. The Welsh soccer team is certainly

:47:06. > :47:09.an inspiration. I agree with the noble Lord that we need a much more

:47:10. > :47:13.inclusive society but unlike the noble Lord, I believe we are in the

:47:14. > :47:18.midst of a political earthquake whose tremors are being felt all

:47:19. > :47:23.over the United Kingdom and the European Union and the wider world.

:47:24. > :47:29.Once we were a stabilising influence. But the result of the

:47:30. > :47:33.referendum has destabilised our economy, politics and partners. We

:47:34. > :47:38.are in a Brave new world but no one has a map and no one has properly

:47:39. > :47:42.considered the options or implications for the country, the

:47:43. > :47:46.citizens of the Constitution. Throughout the campaign, people were

:47:47. > :47:50.warned not to take a leap into the dark but it is even darker than I

:47:51. > :47:54.could have anticipated. I'm still stunned by the lack of any

:47:55. > :47:58.preparation and at a time when we are in desperate need of strong

:47:59. > :48:03.leadership, there is a vacuum in government and opposition. The idea

:48:04. > :48:09.of member states co-operating for the greater good, to maintain peace

:48:10. > :48:14.and stability, is a noble idea and one whose importance for me has

:48:15. > :48:19.grown in increasingly fractured and a fractious world. This is brought

:48:20. > :48:23.home to meet on Friday as I watch the moving ceremonies to mark the

:48:24. > :48:29.anniversaries of the Battle of the Somme and when I laid a wreath at an

:48:30. > :48:37.event who went to fight this fascism at the Spanish Civil War on

:48:38. > :48:41.Saturday. But the decision to leave the EU has been taken. I respect

:48:42. > :48:47.most of those who voted to leave but I have absolutely no respect for Mr

:48:48. > :48:52.Johnson Mr Gove, backstabbers who have walked Hapsburg in this

:48:53. > :48:57.country, who have exacerbated people's insecurities and fears by

:48:58. > :49:01.propaganda and lies. They threw liberal on humane values to the wind

:49:02. > :49:05.and built upon fears of difference. They found the flames of division in

:49:06. > :49:11.this country between rich and poor, young and old, they did nothing to

:49:12. > :49:15.prevent the crack and what the Archbishop called the thin crust of

:49:16. > :49:18.tolerance. Like the noble Lord another's, I believe many of those

:49:19. > :49:28.who voted to leave or using the referendum referendum to vent their

:49:29. > :49:32.anger. Their lives are difficult, they are insecure, worried about

:49:33. > :49:36.their jobs, a roof over their head, they have problems getting kids into

:49:37. > :49:41.school, a long wait to see their GP, they feel they have no control over

:49:42. > :49:45.their lives, so when simple solutions were proffered for complex

:49:46. > :49:49.problems, when told the only way to get back control was to vote lead,

:49:50. > :49:53.of course that is what they did. Many people simply believed their

:49:54. > :49:59.lives could not get any worse. That is an indictment of government

:50:00. > :50:01.policies, not just this government, but government policies on the

:50:02. > :50:06.whole. My fear is that those people who have given up on the political

:50:07. > :50:11.system will now be let down because the promises made by the Leave

:50:12. > :50:16.campaign are undeliverable, even by the most assiduous and shrewd

:50:17. > :50:20.negotiators. Many cannot be reconciled with reality, including

:50:21. > :50:25.the political reality that governments in other member states

:50:26. > :50:31.are confronting forces whose leaders have been strengthened by Brexit.

:50:32. > :50:33.The people with whom we will be negotiating are concerned about

:50:34. > :50:37.contagion and they are naturally looking to their own electorate as

:50:38. > :50:42.well as considering the change is necessary to make the EU more

:50:43. > :50:45.responsive to the 21st-century's challenges on security, climate

:50:46. > :50:53.change, migration, the economy and so much more. What I want will be

:50:54. > :50:57.the impact of Brexit on the return of the rerun of the Austrian

:50:58. > :51:02.presidential election when the far right were beaten by a whisker? Is a

:51:03. > :51:08.dangerous moment for the EU as well as the UK. I would ask the local

:51:09. > :51:13.lady, who will our negotiators be and who will determine the positions

:51:14. > :51:16.they will take at a time of national crisis which disses, we need

:51:17. > :51:22.national unity and that must mean the government cannot act alone. I

:51:23. > :51:27.agree with my noble friend that the public like and want us to work

:51:28. > :51:31.together. There must be Parliamentary cross-party engagement

:51:32. > :51:35.and I believe there also needs to be direct access for the opposition

:51:36. > :51:39.when we have one to civil servants. There must be deep involvement of

:51:40. > :51:43.local government that it is they who in many instances will bear the

:51:44. > :51:47.brunt of change and who are best placed to understand the impact on

:51:48. > :51:52.those areas when people already full behind. I endorse the call made by

:51:53. > :51:56.Siddique Khan yesterday that London should be guaranteed a seat at the

:51:57. > :52:00.table throughout the negotiations alongside Scotland, Wales and

:52:01. > :52:05.Northern Ireland and also his call for us to remain in the single

:52:06. > :52:09.market. How will the government ensure that the voices of all

:52:10. > :52:23.stakeholders are heard and reflected? Like the noble Lord, I

:52:24. > :52:27.expressed concern on half of the university sector. What assurance

:52:28. > :52:31.can the minister gave the staff and students will be able to continue to

:52:32. > :52:35.work and study of British universities in the long-term? The

:52:36. > :52:41.intake for this year will be fine but what will be the impact on

:52:42. > :52:45.applications for 2017? I understand the eight British universities have

:52:46. > :52:50.already had their credit status downgraded as a result of the Brexit

:52:51. > :52:54.vote amid concerns that curbs the free movement will hit recruitment

:52:55. > :53:02.of academics and students and the EU research funding will be cut. Yes,

:53:03. > :53:05.this is more tangible proof of the damage of the uncertainty caused by

:53:06. > :53:10.Brexit. Many noble Lords have spoken and will speak of article 50, but I

:53:11. > :53:14.wonder how it will be possible to reconcile the tensions between the

:53:15. > :53:19.economic need for speed to produce certainty and the political

:53:20. > :53:23.desirability for time. Concern about the insecurity for EU nationals has

:53:24. > :53:28.been properly emphasise this afternoon. These people are human

:53:29. > :53:33.beings not, not pause on a chessboard, likewise our own

:53:34. > :53:38.citizens living and working in the EU including those who serve us so

:53:39. > :53:42.well and institutions. However long negotiations will take, a huge

:53:43. > :53:49.number of our civil servants will be engaged in disentangling us from the

:53:50. > :53:53.laws of 40 years of membership. The usual work of government is likely

:53:54. > :53:57.to be paralysed and is a time when the country is crying out for action

:53:58. > :54:00.that would deal with the plight of inequality, who all work on the

:54:01. > :54:03.policies that will improve the lives and life chances of young people

:54:04. > :54:08.already shafted by this government and who have now been so let down by

:54:09. > :54:12.the referendum result? Deep divisions in our country are sadly

:54:13. > :54:16.not new but the depth of the divisions were not taken seriously

:54:17. > :54:21.by any political party will stop if we are to remain a tolerant united

:54:22. > :54:24.inclusive country, the first priority of the government and the

:54:25. > :54:35.opposition must be to develop and implement policies will feel that

:54:36. > :54:38.fight. -- divide. I would like to concur with the noble lady that

:54:39. > :54:44.there will be dangerously uncertain times. There is a real danger, not

:54:45. > :54:49.only here but across Europe. I want to address two specific issues in

:54:50. > :54:54.this debate to draw attention to my entry. The first I wish to address

:54:55. > :54:57.is the impact on the quality and delivery of UK development

:54:58. > :55:02.assistance which I did because been mentioned in this debate. The UK is

:55:03. > :55:06.the second-biggest bilateral provider of official development

:55:07. > :55:15.assistance in the world, totalling ?11.5 billion. With a first 20

:55:16. > :55:19.country to deliver and we have legislation to focus on poverty

:55:20. > :55:24.reduction and gender issues and thanks to my friend and colleague,

:55:25. > :55:31.we have legislation to maintain our commitment to 0.7%. But there is a

:55:32. > :55:36.correlation between those who campaigned to leave the EU and those

:55:37. > :55:40.who want to cut the UK a budget yes I would contend nothing would give a

:55:41. > :55:45.more negative signal or more positive proof that the UK was

:55:46. > :55:50.turning its back on international engagement than for us to cut the

:55:51. > :55:55.amount of our national income. The UK has an imperial legacy which over

:55:56. > :56:03.the centuries has seen us intervene not always nobly in the affairs of

:56:04. > :56:08.most countries in the world. Like it or not, countries like Pakistan and

:56:09. > :56:13.Nigeria were created by Britain. We shaped the map for most of our aid

:56:14. > :56:17.partners. Delivering aid and many of these countries may be challenging

:56:18. > :56:22.but I believe history has passed us a strong a moral obligation to help

:56:23. > :56:30.poor people out of poverty in these areas. David Cameron was the

:56:31. > :56:36.representative of the industrialised nations to deliver the post 2015

:56:37. > :56:42.agenda which determined and ending of absolute poverty by 2030 and

:56:43. > :56:46.leaving the one behind. It would be a travesty in tragedy of Britain

:56:47. > :56:53.turned its back on this commitment. A significant proportion is

:56:54. > :56:58.delivered through the EU which the multilateral agency identified as an

:56:59. > :57:04.effective means of delivering UK aid objectives. We should therefore give

:57:05. > :57:09.priority to continuing teamwork in partnership with the EU in

:57:10. > :57:13.delivering our 11 and aims. It would put less pressure on us to find

:57:14. > :57:16.alternative outlets which could never have the same reaches the EU

:57:17. > :57:21.and it would maintain an area of cooperation with the EU that would

:57:22. > :57:25.engender a positive relationship and goodwill. I would urge the

:57:26. > :57:31.government to resist the forces that will inevitably be raised to cut the

:57:32. > :57:35.aid budget and transferred to domestic priorities. Those who claim

:57:36. > :57:39.that leaving the EU would free the UK to grow faster outside its

:57:40. > :57:44.constraints can hardly justified cutting the budget now. The second

:57:45. > :57:48.issue I wish to raise is the future of the UK and Scotland's position.

:57:49. > :57:52.It is true that voters in Scotland made clear their desire to remain in

:57:53. > :58:00.the EU but it should not be forgotten that while 1.6 million

:58:01. > :58:04.Scottish voters chose Remain, over 2 million in the previous referendum

:58:05. > :58:11.voted to stay in the UK. It was reported last week that the First

:58:12. > :58:14.Minister was minded to stage another referendum on independence before

:58:15. > :58:20.the negotiation of the UK leaving the EU is completed with the

:58:21. > :58:24.suggested question, do you want Scotland to remain in the EU or

:58:25. > :58:33.leave with the rest of the UK? If this is true, it is an absurd and

:58:34. > :58:38.wholly irresponsible proposition. It may be perfectly reasonable for

:58:39. > :58:42.Nicola Sturgeon to hold talks with the EU but she knows perfectly well

:58:43. > :58:49.that there is little or no prospect of Scotland carrying on within the

:58:50. > :58:53.EU, let alone with the UK's can't opt outs. When the Prime Minister of

:58:54. > :58:58.Spain made clear that Scotland was part of the UK and there would be no

:58:59. > :59:02.talks, and this was echoed by France, the First Minister said that

:59:03. > :59:07.this was no surprise for Scott of course not but Spain and France and

:59:08. > :59:13.every other country holds a veto over Scotland. I have no doubt that

:59:14. > :59:16.many within the EU will hold our warmth and sympathy towards Scotland

:59:17. > :59:22.in the light of the vote but that is not enough to launches into an

:59:23. > :59:27.uncharted waters on the back of the prodigious uncertainty we all face

:59:28. > :59:32.right across the UK. Depending on the terms of the new UK relationship

:59:33. > :59:38.with the EU, Scotland should not put itself at risk, which would be

:59:39. > :59:43.doing, of total isolation. Scotland cannot apply for membership of the

:59:44. > :59:49.EU before it becomes independent. It would then face the same obligations

:59:50. > :59:55.of every state, even a fast track would take years. It would have to

:59:56. > :59:58.establish a central bank, currency and fiscal exchange-rate track

:59:59. > :00:03.record. This will be challenging enough in the UK is establishing a

:00:04. > :00:08.sub outside the EU and possibly outside the single market, as I free

:00:09. > :00:12.movement and all those other issues, and barriers will go up between

:00:13. > :00:19.Scotland and the rest of the UK before they even begin come down

:00:20. > :00:25.with the EU. Given all this, the priority for those of us who care

:00:26. > :00:29.about Scotland and care about Scotland's relationship within the

:00:30. > :00:34.UK and all parts of the UK and EU, our priority is to secure the best

:00:35. > :00:38.possible outcome that maintains as much as possible the corporation

:00:39. > :00:46.partnership we value dearly as a member of the EU. Anything else

:00:47. > :00:49.would be to show the independence is an ideological obsession that

:00:50. > :00:55.transcends the economic social cultural and political interests of

:00:56. > :00:58.the people of Scotland. The SNP should not let their patriotism lead

:00:59. > :01:04.to a betrayal of the real interests of the people of Scotland. As a

:01:05. > :01:09.passionate Europhile, I firmly believe we need to tread carefully

:01:10. > :01:17.towards an outcome that maintains the best of the UK and the best of

:01:18. > :01:25.our relationship with the EU. After hearing the noble Lord's responses

:01:26. > :01:28.to the question last Wednesday about the residential and continuing

:01:29. > :01:35.rights of European nationals living in the UK, I should like to add my

:01:36. > :01:42.voice to the many inside and outside Parliament who have condemned

:01:43. > :01:50.government attitude. This issue is discussed in the House yesterday

:01:51. > :01:54.with much the same equivocation and uncertainty from the dispatch box.