:00:00. > :00:09.Ayes Order, order. That is the end of the day in the House of Commons.
:00:10. > :00:12.We will now be going over live to the House of lords. You can watch
:00:13. > :00:25.coverage after the daily later tonight. -- after the Daily Politics
:00:26. > :00:29.tonight. The way it operates has been Jiddah knows has been for some
:00:30. > :00:38.30 years. I'm giving noble Lords the comfort of my own experiences. As a
:00:39. > :00:46.lone Conservative and a group of ten local authorities. To work in the
:00:47. > :00:52.collegiate way is absolutely crucial to the future fortunes both of the
:00:53. > :00:56.combined authority and the PCC and practice what the noble lady
:00:57. > :01:04.suggests might happen is very unlikely to happen, I can turn.
:01:05. > :01:08.Amendment 46 to replace the reference to police area with one to
:01:09. > :01:13.the fire and rescue authority area. Such a change would however have no
:01:14. > :01:18.material effect because any proposal put forward by PCC ought to PCC 's
:01:19. > :01:30.acting jointly must maintain as we spoke about early coterminous police
:01:31. > :01:36.and fire and rescue areas so any proposal put forward by the Sussex
:01:37. > :01:39.PCC must cooperate both the east and West Sussex authorities. The PCC
:01:40. > :01:46.would also be seeking the views of people in the two affected fire and
:01:47. > :01:53.rescue authority areas. Before I forget, the noble Lord talked about
:01:54. > :02:01.the referendum. Referenda are expensive undertakings and we
:02:02. > :02:07.estimate that the average cost of an average size police force would be
:02:08. > :02:10.1.6 million. They're not just expensive, they are lengthy and I
:02:11. > :02:16.think we're talking about people who are elected, directly elected by the
:02:17. > :02:22.people here and to have to make them go through that additional aspect of
:02:23. > :02:31.a referendum when the ad already mandated by the people, I think not
:02:32. > :02:37.be a wise time. My Lords, that is a remedy to PCC 's doing entirely what
:02:38. > :02:44.is not the best interest of the local people artistry vote them out
:02:45. > :02:53.at the next election. -- and that is to vote them out of the next
:02:54. > :02:56.election. I have gone back. Amendment 49 makes provision for the
:02:57. > :03:01.PCC to publish the outcome of the consultation on the local business
:03:02. > :03:06.case. I recognise the important principle behind this amendment and
:03:07. > :03:09.I'm also sympathetic to it. It is generally considered good practice
:03:10. > :03:13.for public body to be clear and transparent about the outcome of any
:03:14. > :03:17.public consultation and we would not expect a PCC takes behave any
:03:18. > :03:28.differently in The Simpsons. Accordingly I would be prepared to
:03:29. > :03:40.consider this in advance of postage. -- in this instance. And 55, I help
:03:41. > :03:46.the local lady will agree with the example I have given that it would
:03:47. > :03:52.almost be given that local authorities would be involved in the
:03:53. > :03:55.process. -- the noble lady. Police and crime commission 's proposals
:03:56. > :04:00.will need to clearly set out the benefits that are transferred
:04:01. > :04:04.governance will bring. It is only right for those local authorities
:04:05. > :04:10.who shared his buddies with the Fire and rescue authorities should
:04:11. > :04:14.definitely have their say. But I do not think it is this it extended
:04:15. > :04:20.duty any further. -- shear these boundaries. The smack shear these
:04:21. > :04:31.boundaries.