:00:00. > :00:08.Tonight, after badgers, could this be the next controversial ctll?
:00:09. > :00:13.Wild deer cause thousands of crashes and hundreds of hnjuries
:00:14. > :00:20.It is emotive and it is sad to have to shoot wild animals.
:00:21. > :00:24.But what we're trying to do is create a balance.
:00:25. > :00:29.GPs under pressure ` we're behind the scenes in a real peak practice.
:00:30. > :00:31.You're worried about the prdssure of time.
:00:32. > :00:34.You're also really worried about the pressure that you're going
:00:35. > :00:39.And in our own Little Scotl`nd, is it yes or no to independdnce
:00:40. > :00:42.I just watched you casting your vote ` how did you votd?
:00:43. > :00:47.The stories that matter, closer to home.
:00:48. > :01:04.Culling wild animals always causes controversy.
:01:05. > :01:08.As a second badger cull gets the go`ahead,
:01:09. > :01:10.some experts now say there's another wild animal that needs reducing
:01:11. > :01:15.Stuart Woodman has been investigating,
:01:16. > :01:23.and you may find some of the images in this film upsdtting.
:01:24. > :01:26.This might be difficult for animal lovers to swallow, but shooting
:01:27. > :01:31.many more deer may be the only solution to save our countrxside.
:01:32. > :01:34.Experts say in the last 20 years the nulbers of
:01:35. > :01:40.So much so, they're now damaging woodlands
:01:41. > :01:46.So if a co`ordinated deer ctll began, how would it work?
:01:47. > :01:50.And ultimately how would the public react?
:01:51. > :02:00.A little later, I'll be witnessing a deer cull up close...
:02:01. > :02:03...and meeting animal rights protestors passionately
:02:04. > :02:18.First I am joining Paul and his assistant in woodland late `t night.
:02:19. > :02:21.They've carried out extensive research into deer numbers which
:02:22. > :02:24.controversially concludes ctlling needs to happen on a massivd scale.
:02:25. > :02:27.For the last eight years, five nights a week, you've been
:02:28. > :02:32.This must be the biggest deer survey ever.
:02:33. > :02:35.Yes, it's the only study in Europe actually that looks
:02:36. > :02:38.at how deer management impacts on deer populations.
:02:39. > :02:42.We had a fairly open mind when we started, because thd
:02:43. > :02:47.Forestry Commission, nearly shooting 2,000 deer, was thinking th`t the
:02:48. > :02:50.population was stable, nearly every year seeing the same kind of amount.
:02:51. > :02:53.But the population was still growing,
:02:54. > :02:56.they didn't shoot enough, and deer was pushed out of the forest.
:02:57. > :02:59.The landscape can just hold a certain capacity of deer.
:03:00. > :03:02.If this is overflowing, likd a bath, the deer which doesn't find any
:03:03. > :03:08.space any more has to go out into the wider landscape.
:03:09. > :03:12.So what the team discovered, even though deer numbers were being
:03:13. > :03:15.kept stable in the forest through culling, thousands more anilals were
:03:16. > :03:18.spreading out into the wider countryside `nd
:03:19. > :03:24.Effectively, breeding hotspots like this across the East Mhdlands
:03:25. > :03:32.Is the current approach to deer management failing?
:03:33. > :03:35.Well, it's failing to control numbers
:03:36. > :03:39.There's a lot of deer being shot in England, but we don't know how
:03:40. > :03:43.many because people with rifle licences, people who are legally
:03:44. > :03:46.entitled to shoot deer on their land, have no obligation to report
:03:47. > :03:51.So we don't know how many dder are being shot, we don't know
:03:52. > :03:56.This study was exceptional, because we counted deer across a
:03:57. > :04:03.There's no estimate of the deer numbers in Engl`nd.
:04:04. > :04:06.Our two native species of dder, the red and the roe,
:04:07. > :04:12.But there are four other introduced species in England.
:04:13. > :04:15.Some were released into our countryside, others have
:04:16. > :04:21.To get an understanding of the impact of high numbers
:04:22. > :04:23.on our landscape, I'm visiting Bradgate Park hn
:04:24. > :04:29.Leicestershire, one of the oldest enclosed deer parks in the country.
:04:30. > :04:31.Peter, these deer aren't free roamhng.
:04:32. > :04:34.They're confined to a certain amount of space.
:04:35. > :04:37.What would happen if you didn't reduce their numbers each ydar?
:04:38. > :04:40.In the first instance, the park would suffer from over`grazhng.
:04:41. > :04:43.Anything that was edible for the deer would get eaten, so we d
:04:44. > :04:46.become depleted and a lot of the interesting plant species that make
:04:47. > :04:52.Ultimately, they'd literallx run out of food and starve to ddath
:04:53. > :04:55.So basically they would strhp the park?
:04:56. > :04:58.They would strip park bare, and you can see in certain `reas
:04:59. > :05:00.where there's high concentr`tion of deer numbers, the grass hs mown
:05:01. > :05:05.What do you think the public reaction would bd to
:05:06. > :05:10.I think the public's instinctive re`ction is
:05:11. > :05:14.hostile, because they don't understand what the problem is.
:05:15. > :05:16.Most people will encounter deer fleetingly in the countryside.
:05:17. > :05:19.It's getting the message across as to why an excess of deer nulbers...
:05:20. > :05:23.It's why it came about ` it came about because we wiped out `ll
:05:24. > :05:28.The organisation set up to promote sustainable wild deer numbers across
:05:29. > :05:34.While they endorse culling, it's down to each individual
:05:35. > :05:43.I've been given special perlission by the Boughton Estate
:05:44. > :05:49.I'm joining a deer stalker `nd David Hooton from the organhsation.
:05:50. > :05:55.It's an early start and I'vd been told to I need to blend in
:05:56. > :05:58.What kind of morning is it for stalking?
:05:59. > :06:05.I like a little bit of wind, so you can judge the wind a bit
:06:06. > :06:11.David wants to get as close as possible to any animal
:06:12. > :06:17.There's many things to conshder as there's bridle ways and public
:06:18. > :06:20.footpaths criss`crossing thd estate, and although deer are comparatively
:06:21. > :06:26.large animals, the vital ardas for a clean kill are small.
:06:27. > :06:31.(WHISPERING) We've now been stalking deer for about an hour and ` half,
:06:32. > :06:33.and while we've seen deer from a distance,
:06:34. > :06:45.David's not been able to get close enough to get a clean shot.
:06:46. > :06:54.It's getting towards middle to old age, that one.
:06:55. > :06:58.I've always tried to maintahn a very healthy herd of anim`ls,
:06:59. > :07:06.A healthy herd is what we'rd after, and they have to have protection.
:07:07. > :07:09.So we're not about taking ott the best animals, we're takhng out
:07:10. > :07:22.And that may cause suffering further down the line as well, so...
:07:23. > :07:24.For me, personally, it's the first time I've encountered
:07:25. > :07:32.Is that part of the issue ` convincing the public that
:07:33. > :07:36.something needs to be done `bout the high numbers of deer in England
:07:37. > :07:39.I think what we're trying to do is create a balance.
:07:40. > :07:43.It is emotive, and it it sad, to have to shoot wild animals
:07:44. > :07:46.of this size roaming freely around the countryside.
:07:47. > :07:49.But what we're trying to do is create balance, providing awareness
:07:50. > :07:52.of the wider issues of deer management in the countryside.
:07:53. > :07:55.We're not actually controllhng deer because we want to shoot dedr,
:07:56. > :07:57.we're controlling deer so we can protect the woodl`nd
:07:58. > :08:03.So we can protect the nesting habitat of
:08:04. > :08:08.a wide range of woodland birds and the biodiversity, flora as well
:08:09. > :08:10.To end, I'm travelling to Ctmbria, to meet a group
:08:11. > :08:14.of campaigners who are unconvinced any culling is needed.
:08:15. > :08:16.What do we want? Free the deer.
:08:17. > :08:19.When do we want it? Now!
:08:20. > :08:23.Throughout the summer, they've been fighting to save
:08:24. > :08:26.around a dozen roe deer that have been enclosed by a new security
:08:27. > :08:34.Am I right in thinking about three deer have been culled so far?
:08:35. > :08:36.That's what they say. Three deer have been culled so far.
:08:37. > :08:41.There's more deer on site, and there's certainly more wildlife
:08:42. > :08:58.The deer have been in there while fences have been going up
:08:59. > :09:04.These two military style fences They have trapped the deer hn and
:09:05. > :09:08.people have said, why not jtst open the fences and let them go?
:09:09. > :09:12.Sellafield say they are a sdcurity risk. Definitely against a national
:09:13. > :09:15.coal of deer. Sellafield say they always
:09:16. > :09:17.demonstrate a responsible approach to wildlife management
:09:18. > :09:19.and sought expert external `dvice and explored a number of waxs
:09:20. > :09:22.of removing the deer safely. They confirm a total
:09:23. > :09:24.of three deer were shot If the pilot badger cull is anything
:09:25. > :09:34.to go by, a compulsory deer cull across England is going to be
:09:35. > :09:38.a tough sell. But academics like Dr Paul Dolman
:09:39. > :09:42.say ideas shouldn't be ruled out. He's convinced something dr`matic
:09:43. > :09:46.has to be done to save our woodlands, reduce road deaths
:09:47. > :09:59.and and safeguard farmers' fields. Everybody likes to see deer in the
:10:00. > :10:05.countryside but we need to strike a balance that is right for
:10:06. > :10:08.biodiversity, road safety. We need an approach that achieves a
:10:09. > :10:12.sustainable approach to deer numbers.
:10:13. > :10:15.GPs say they're under more pressure than ever.
:10:16. > :10:18.Some surgeries are closing, doctors are leaving the profession.
:10:19. > :10:22.And all at a time when patients are getting older
:10:23. > :10:25.Baslow Health Centre in the Peak District looks after more
:10:26. > :10:29.elderly people than almost `nywhere else in the country.
:10:30. > :10:39.They invited us in to see d`ily life inside a real peak practice.
:10:40. > :10:44.It's the morning after the bank holiday before, and that Baslow
:10:45. > :10:51.Health Centre they are prep`ring for an avalanche. It's a bit of a
:10:52. > :10:55.nervous day because we have been on bank holiday weekend and evdryone
:10:56. > :10:59.gets panicky. Sometimes thex come along to tell you they were feeling
:11:00. > :11:04.ill over the weekend and thdy are feeling better now. It doesn't help
:11:05. > :11:11.that the computers have takdn a holiday too. The touchscreens aren't
:11:12. > :11:16.working. I clicked on it once and it deleted the appointment. And they
:11:17. > :11:22.are two doctors down. He is not in today, he is back on Thursd`y. You
:11:23. > :11:29.have heard the phone. It has not stopped ringing. It's always the
:11:30. > :11:34.same after a bank holiday. Ht's mad. This is life on the front line
:11:35. > :11:42.of primary care in rural Derbyshire. Things can only get
:11:43. > :11:50.better as they say! You havd had the stitches out. Yes, last Thursday. I
:11:51. > :11:53.haven't had another dressing since. The pressure is really on, xou come
:11:54. > :11:59.in thinking and my going to get through today? You know the patients
:12:00. > :12:02.are still expecting to be sden in ten minutes, you are worried about
:12:03. > :12:08.the pressure of time but yot are also really worried you are going to
:12:09. > :12:11.miss that one important thing. After morning surgery, Doctor Louhse
:12:12. > :12:17.Jordan Spence most afternoons visiting people who are housebound
:12:18. > :12:25.or in hospital. Today she f`ces a difficult conversation. I al going
:12:26. > :12:32.to see John Ellis, a retired physicist who developed verx vague
:12:33. > :12:40.symptoms last year which, vdry sadly, have turned out to bd due to
:12:41. > :12:47.a neurological disease. His intellect is completely unaffected.
:12:48. > :12:51.John can now only communicate via a tablet computer. He has to decide
:12:52. > :13:00.whether to have an operation so he can be fed directly into his stomach
:13:01. > :13:08.through something called a peg. Last week you were having diffictlty
:13:09. > :13:12.swallowing and you decided to have a peg. You will have some sed`tion and
:13:13. > :13:17.they will put a tube down your throat into your stomach and make a
:13:18. > :13:26.little nick in your stomach where they can pull it out. John
:13:27. > :13:31.understood that putting a pdg in was not a treatment, it would kdep him
:13:32. > :13:35.alive while his disease progressed and his ability to communic`te
:13:36. > :13:39.reduced. He could see himself in a nightmare situation where hd had no
:13:40. > :13:41.form of communication and w`s being kept alive, and that was solething
:13:42. > :13:50.he vehemently didn't want. You are not looking so happx about
:13:51. > :13:56.it now. Back at the surgery, practice staff are still having
:13:57. > :14:00.computer problems. They havd moved it to Windows seven or eight and
:14:01. > :14:05.everything has changed. Trahn`macro things are popping up which I didn't
:14:06. > :14:09.want to pop up, it was a lady jiggling her bits and being invited
:14:10. > :14:14.to talk to single Russian l`dies. I am sure they are very nice but I
:14:15. > :14:18.don't speak Russian. Practice manager Carl has another re`son to
:14:19. > :14:23.be unhappy. He is sifting through the results of a questionnahre sent
:14:24. > :14:26.out after the latest meeting of the patient participation group. The
:14:27. > :14:29.surgery has already tried extended hours, but patients in the survey
:14:30. > :14:40.are asking the weekends too. The GPs are dealing with patients
:14:41. > :14:46.that come 20, 30 minutes late, and they accommodate them. Do they
:14:47. > :14:54.understand if they have 20 47 care they will not see their own Doctor?
:14:55. > :15:00.No, it is just a tick box there How have you been?
:15:01. > :15:05.I have improved slightly. NHS changes mean GPs can make more
:15:06. > :15:09.decisions locally about how money is spent, but they are supposed to take
:15:10. > :15:17.patient views on board. It hs Karl's view `` job to balance the
:15:18. > :15:23.books. What they don't understand is that there are not on implications.
:15:24. > :15:27.I loathe the extended hours we are doing on Monday at the moment. I had
:15:28. > :15:33.somebody come in at half seven on Monday complaining he had to get an
:15:34. > :15:39.appointment so early! Your BP feels quite low. I dither
:15:40. > :15:45.get the GPs to work more hotrs in the week, or we reduce the time
:15:46. > :15:51.during the week. There is also a cost implication because st`ff may
:15:52. > :15:56.not work on Saturdays. Can we afford to have the airport on a Saturday
:15:57. > :16:04.and the dispensary run at the same time? `` the surgery open.
:16:05. > :16:07.Across the country average patient visits per year have doubled in a
:16:08. > :16:15.decade. That is partly down to demographics. Here, one in three
:16:16. > :16:24.patients are over six to five. `` over 65. At 81, Louise's patient
:16:25. > :16:31.Roy Hattersley is firmly in that age bracket. The former Labour Party
:16:32. > :16:38.Deputy Leader has had a tumble. She is a devoted GP.
:16:39. > :16:45.Your pulse is fine. I don't think there is any need for us to fret
:16:46. > :16:51.about that. What does he think about thd changes
:16:52. > :16:54.facing family doctors? I wonder if doctors want to be omitted doctors
:16:55. > :16:59.rather than family `` amatetr accountants. `` whether thex want to
:17:00. > :17:05.be doctors. It is a week since Louise's last
:17:06. > :17:10.visit to John Ellis. He now wants to revisit the idea of being ttbe fed.
:17:11. > :17:19.When Louise walks through the door, John has a surprise for thel both.
:17:20. > :17:24.Today, I decided not to havd a peg. Right. So that is a bit of `
:17:25. > :17:32.change, isn't it? We have always said we would not have anything to
:17:33. > :17:34.prolong our lives. It has been quite difficult lately
:17:35. > :17:41.because of the communication problems. That is why I havd had to
:17:42. > :17:47.be really sure of what his feelings are and what he wants.
:17:48. > :17:51.I felt for his wife huge relief because she was incredibly
:17:52. > :17:59.concerned. I just thought hd was an amazing man. It was a reallx brave
:18:00. > :18:04.decision to make. It is a very difficult decision But
:18:05. > :18:09.it is his decision. And he knew that I would support him whichevdr set ``
:18:10. > :18:16.decision he made. Over the next three weeks, John s
:18:17. > :18:23.decision `` condition deterhorates rapidly. When we next visit, he can
:18:24. > :18:29.only communicate by blinking. My priority is his comfort. I want him
:18:30. > :18:36.to be peaceful and pain`fred. Have you got any pain at thd moment?
:18:37. > :18:41.You are saying yes. When I first got there, he was
:18:42. > :18:46.having horrible painful muscle spasms and was able to tell him with
:18:47. > :18:53.his `` tell me with his blinks that it was better than this morning
:18:54. > :19:02.I got medication to help thd spasms, but it was going to cause sddation.
:19:03. > :19:09.It is really sad, but I think he is very much in the terminal phase now.
:19:10. > :19:19.Six days after we filmed, John died, peacefully and at home as hd wanted.
:19:20. > :19:25.I think there really is somdthing called a good death. We seel these
:19:26. > :19:30.days to see that as a failure, where was actually we are all going to
:19:31. > :19:34.die, and my role when somebody is going to die is to be on th`t
:19:35. > :19:40.journey with them and that hnvolves the whole family.
:19:41. > :19:45.I have considerable concerns about the future in general practhce.
:19:46. > :19:48.There is a big desire to get rid of the small practices because it is
:19:49. > :19:53.much more cost efficient to have large practices, but you will lose
:19:54. > :19:57.with that the knowledge and understanding, and that really
:19:58. > :19:59.bespoke way of managing indhvidual patients. I will grieve if that
:20:00. > :20:11.happens. Finally tonight, in just ovdr a
:20:12. > :20:16.week's time the people of Scotland will decide whether or not ht should
:20:17. > :20:20.become independent. South of the border there has been a lot of
:20:21. > :20:23.interest in the outcome, and nowhere more so than are part of thd East
:20:24. > :20:30.Midlands known as Little Scotland. Scots living in England do not have
:20:31. > :20:36.a say in the referendum, but that hasn't stopped the people of this
:20:37. > :20:40.town casting a vote, for fun. It certainly sounds and feels like
:20:41. > :20:45.Scotland, but this particul`r Highland Gathering is about 250
:20:46. > :20:54.miles south of the border at Corby in Northamptonshire.
:20:55. > :20:59.Thousands of people are herd. Highland answers from all over the
:21:00. > :21:02.country, and from as far aw`y as Australia are putting best foot
:21:03. > :21:07.forward, and if the sound of the pipes does it for you, therd are
:21:08. > :21:11.more bands here than you can shake a sporran at.
:21:12. > :21:17.I was actually born in Edinburgh, and like me, a lot of peopld might
:21:18. > :21:21.be `` a lot of people in Corby might be a long way where they orhginally
:21:22. > :21:26.came from, but apart from today we do not say `` get a say in the
:21:27. > :21:33.referendum. What did you castigate your vote? It
:21:34. > :21:42.is secret! That is quite clearly a yes vote.
:21:43. > :21:46.Why is that? Remember Bannockburn. I am going to vote no, becatse I
:21:47. > :21:52.believe in the better together campaign.
:21:53. > :22:00.Our Australian 's allowed to vote? Howerd and is trillion vote? Yes! ``
:22:01. > :22:05.how would an Australian votd. This vote is giving Scots in Corby a
:22:06. > :22:10.chance to have their say. Although it is not real, people are taking it
:22:11. > :22:13.very seriously. Margaret Curran, your Shadow
:22:14. > :22:21.Secretary of State for Scotland Why have you come here? Corby rdally
:22:22. > :22:27.illustrates the friendship `nd the connection there is between Scotland
:22:28. > :22:31.and England and the rest of Britain. It will be interesting to sde the
:22:32. > :22:40.results a little later. Do Corby people want a united Britain or an
:22:41. > :22:45.independent Scotland? I am heading to a place which is at
:22:46. > :22:50.the heart of this community. Corby's Grampian Club, wherd maybe
:22:51. > :22:54.this many a happy Hogmanay has been had.
:22:55. > :23:00.I have been told it was all down to the steel industry why so m`ny
:23:01. > :23:03.Scottish folk ended up here, and I am meeting local writer Davhd Black
:23:04. > :23:07.to find out a little more btt this mass migration.
:23:08. > :23:11.What happened here is prettx unique. As far as I underst`nd it
:23:12. > :23:16.did not happen anywhere elsd in Europe. It was akin to a gold rush.
:23:17. > :23:20.The prospects were not gold, they were good housing, good jobs and a
:23:21. > :23:28.good standard of living. But having said that, as the works closed, and
:23:29. > :23:34.began to run down towards the 1 70s, people moved on.
:23:35. > :23:40.It was steel and the prospect of better pay that brought Davd
:23:41. > :23:44.Hadden's family down south hn the 1950s. While some families loved on
:23:45. > :23:49.during the town's tough timds, he stayed put, running a successful
:23:50. > :23:57.business supplying hungry Scots with a true state `` taste of hole.
:23:58. > :24:02.Are you a Scottish butcher? Yes Recently Dave found himself in a bit
:24:03. > :24:06.of bother when he gave his opinion to a reporter at the local paper. He
:24:07. > :24:09.was not quite prepared for the backlash.
:24:10. > :24:14.What about all the talk of independence, how is that going
:24:15. > :24:22.round? I got a frosty reception in the evening Telegraph. Some people
:24:23. > :24:26.seem to take offence if I mdntioned independence, it opened a lhttle can
:24:27. > :24:32.of worms. Is that because you said you would vote yes? I said H would
:24:33. > :24:37.probably, if I was living in Scotland. It got a little bht, you
:24:38. > :24:44.know, there were a couple of Facebook messages left that were a
:24:45. > :24:49.little bit and... And a couple of people tell you to go back to
:24:50. > :24:56.Scotland? And you feel of `` how did you feel about that? It was all time
:24:57. > :25:01.in cheek, so they took a bit more offence. `` and in cheek.
:25:02. > :25:06.I am not keen on the haggis, but the steak pies smells delicious.
:25:07. > :25:14.I am looking forward to that. Cheerio! Just goes to show this is a
:25:15. > :25:22.hot topic in the town. Back at the Gathering, voting is in. In.
:25:23. > :25:31.`` in full swing. You voted no? Staying in the union. Why? H would
:25:32. > :25:36.be very sad to see a division. When you have Alex Salmond standhng on
:25:37. > :25:42.his soapbox preaching to Scotland in terms of what wealth we havd got and
:25:43. > :25:45.how we're going to do, we h`ve been living off the backs of the English
:25:46. > :25:51.for years, and we haven't done badly.
:25:52. > :26:02.Do you mind me as going? For them to go ahead. `` mind me asking. Let
:26:03. > :26:08.them be their own free people. I am on the bus where the counting
:26:09. > :26:19.is going on, and it is lookhng quite close. There are a lot of no votes,
:26:20. > :26:22.any yeses? My yeses are over here. How do you think it will go? It is
:26:23. > :26:29.hard to call at the moment. BAGPIPES PLAY.
:26:30. > :26:40.BAGPIPES PLAY. Just time to pop over to ond of the
:26:41. > :26:44.five Scottish Highland dancd schools in and around Corby. Only one of the
:26:45. > :26:49.children was born north of the border, and some do not even have
:26:50. > :26:52.Scottish parents. It seems so strange to see so much
:26:53. > :26:59.Scottish country dancing in the third set of England. `` centre How
:27:00. > :27:07.do you feel about being the only boy? Embarrassed! It is onlx because
:27:08. > :27:12.I feel I am the only boy in Corby that likes this type of dancing And
:27:13. > :27:17.there are so many boys in Corby I am like, how can I be the only one?
:27:18. > :27:23.What about the independence vote, how do people in Corby feel about
:27:24. > :27:28.that? I did hear there were a lot of people not very happy they could not
:27:29. > :27:34.vote. But I don't think thex should vote, they left Scotland so they
:27:35. > :27:39.shouldn't have a vote. It has been a special day, `nd it
:27:40. > :27:43.was to see what the people of Corby think about the referendum hn
:27:44. > :27:47.Scotland. What happens with this vote will not
:27:48. > :27:53.make any impact on what happens in Scotland, is it? It is a big opinion
:27:54. > :27:58.poll of what the people in Corby, Little Scotland, think. Hopdfully
:27:59. > :28:11.people in Westminster and up in Scotland will take a view of this.
:28:12. > :28:22.Ladies and gentlemen, 162 s`id yes. 414 votes said no!
:28:23. > :28:24.So I declare the Corby vote for Scotland to stay and remain part of
:28:25. > :28:39.the union. Thank you for yotr votes! Plenty of passion in Little
:28:40. > :28:48.Scotland. But is it for tonight.
:28:49. > :28:51.`` that is it. Next week, wd investigate why so many of ts are
:28:52. > :28:55.not putting anything away for our retirement. Saving up for a pension
:28:56. > :30:08.just isn't feasible at the loment. This summer, war returned to Europe.
:30:09. > :30:09.Somebody's just fired, one of the rebels and