0:00:06 > 0:00:08Hello from Chatsworth House in Derbyshire,
0:00:08 > 0:00:10home to Deborah Duchess of Devonshire for more than 70 years.
0:00:10 > 0:00:12Tonight we look back at her remarkable life.
0:00:12 > 0:00:20Isn't it funny how you forgdt the painful things and remelber
0:00:20 > 0:00:24the things which were enjoy`ble or that you took for granted?
0:00:24 > 0:00:27She called herself a housewhfe but she helped save a stately home.
0:00:27 > 0:00:31Also tonight, is a degree really worth all that debt?
0:00:31 > 0:00:35In total, I think, including my undergrad and my master's ddgree,
0:00:35 > 0:00:41it's going to be about ?50,000.
0:00:41 > 0:00:43And the casualties of war beyond the battlefield.
0:00:43 > 0:00:48These lads have fought for their country.
0:00:48 > 0:00:51Our boys went to war, got mddals, come out with a different b`ttle
0:00:51 > 0:00:52that nobody seems to care about
0:00:52 > 0:00:54The stories that matter, closer to home.
0:00:54 > 0:01:03This is Inside Out East Midlands.
0:01:11 > 0:01:13The Dowager Duchess of Devonshire helped to restore Chatsworth
0:01:13 > 0:01:17and turn it into one of the best loved country houses in Britain
0:01:17 > 0:01:20The last of the renowned Mitford Sisters, she also hdlped to
0:01:20 > 0:01:26mastermind the successful btsiness the estate is today.
0:01:26 > 0:01:29Known as Debo to her family and closest friends,
0:01:29 > 0:01:35she had an extraordinary life.
0:01:40 > 0:01:44It is a life whose story re`ds like a who's who of the 20th century
0:01:44 > 0:01:50She mixed with royalty, presidents, prime ministers and on a single
0:01:50 > 0:01:58notorious occasion with her sister Unity, she took tea with Hitler
0:02:00 > 0:02:03But here she'll be rememberdd for her role in saving one
0:02:03 > 0:02:06of the nation's favourite places, turning Chatsworth back
0:02:07 > 0:02:10into a stately home to visit.
0:02:10 > 0:02:13It?s a place she, with reluctantly expressed pride, was able to share
0:02:13 > 0:02:18with the millions who come.
0:02:18 > 0:02:23I get heaps of letters from people saying,
0:02:23 > 0:02:27I have had a terrible illness or a terrible tragedy in my life and
0:02:27 > 0:02:31I've come to walk in the park at Chatsworth and I feel much better.
0:02:31 > 0:02:33That's a privilege isn't it?
0:02:37 > 0:02:41Debo Mitford was the youngest of six sisters and one brother.
0:02:41 > 0:02:44A family which became notorhous in the '30s.
0:02:44 > 0:02:46Jessica became a communist, Nancy a successful author.
0:02:46 > 0:02:50Diana married the fascist leader Oswald Mosely.
0:02:50 > 0:02:54Unity was the nazi who took her youngdst
0:02:54 > 0:02:58sister to tea with the fuhrdr.
0:02:58 > 0:03:01Months later Debo was dancing with the son of Joseph Kennedy,
0:03:01 > 0:03:04the US ambassador to Britain.
0:03:04 > 0:03:07She wrote in her diary that night that Jack Kennedy, JFK,
0:03:07 > 0:03:12was rather boring but nice.
0:03:12 > 0:03:13Isn?t it strange?
0:03:13 > 0:03:17But that's the sort of thing that did happen.
0:03:17 > 0:03:21The thing was, my sister Unhty knew Hitler very well, pretty well and he
0:03:21 > 0:03:26seemed to be very fond of hdr.
0:03:30 > 0:03:32When our cameraman went to leet the cross channel steamer,
0:03:32 > 0:03:35they found extraordinary precautions being taken.
0:03:35 > 0:03:38Troops and police guarding every entrance to the docks.
0:03:38 > 0:03:40It was the occasion of the arrival from Germany
0:03:40 > 0:03:44of the daughter of Lord Reddsdale, Unity Mitford, friend of Hitler
0:03:45 > 0:03:46Unity was demonised at home.
0:03:46 > 0:03:50When war broke out she shot herself in the head with a pistol.
0:03:50 > 0:03:54By Christmas 1939, with Hitler's help, Deborah and her mother managed
0:03:54 > 0:03:59to get Unity home via Switzdrland.
0:03:59 > 0:04:01But the cameras were in wait at Folkestone where
0:04:01 > 0:04:05the press had been tipped off.
0:04:05 > 0:04:09Unity never fully recovered and died in 1948.
0:04:09 > 0:04:14Debo said she could not help loving her sister whatever the polhtics.
0:04:14 > 0:04:18I was never in the least bit interested in politics of any sort.
0:04:18 > 0:04:21So it just went over my head.
0:04:21 > 0:04:22I didn't bother with it.
0:04:22 > 0:04:26I was the person I loved.
0:04:29 > 0:04:30Debo married her love in 1941.
0:04:30 > 0:04:34Andrew Cavendish, an officer in the Coldstream Guards, was the second
0:04:34 > 0:04:39son of the Duke of Devonshire.
0:04:40 > 0:04:43While the build up to war tore apart the Mitford family the consdquences
0:04:43 > 0:04:45of war were hard to bear.
0:04:45 > 0:04:50Debo's brother Tom was killdd.
0:04:50 > 0:04:55My brother`in`law, killed in the war.
0:04:55 > 0:04:56Billy Cavendish married Jack Kennedy's sister, Kathleen
0:04:56 > 0:05:03His death meant Andrew and Debo were heirs to the dukedom.
0:05:03 > 0:05:05Awful.
0:05:05 > 0:05:08So then Andrew was his father's heir and then `nother
0:05:08 > 0:05:12big surprise was my father`hn`law died when he was on 55 in 1850.
0:05:17 > 0:05:19The rich estates like Chatsworth had become tnpopular
0:05:19 > 0:05:22after the First World War.
0:05:22 > 0:05:28After the Second the mood of the country seemed to be tear them down.
0:05:28 > 0:05:33The feeling against houses like this was absolutely 100% ag`inst.
0:05:33 > 0:05:37Knock them down.
0:05:37 > 0:05:40Get rid of them Nobody wants them.
0:05:41 > 0:05:45Death duties for the new Devonshires were severe, The Duke had to sell
0:05:45 > 0:05:53and give away properties to pay them off until 1974.
0:05:55 > 0:05:58It was he who made all the decisions about the death dtties.
0:05:58 > 0:05:5980% of everything.
0:05:59 > 0:06:02Pictures, works of art, stocks and shares, land.
0:06:02 > 0:06:06The lot.
0:06:12 > 0:06:14The magnificence designed for one noble family is, in 195 ,
0:06:14 > 0:06:17seen and partly share by ordinary people making themselves at home.
0:06:17 > 0:06:19People think they belong here.
0:06:19 > 0:06:20That's the nice thing.
0:06:20 > 0:06:21No, put it the other way around
0:06:21 > 0:06:23They think that this belongs to them.
0:06:23 > 0:06:26And that's always been he c`se because it's always been opdn to
0:06:26 > 0:06:26the public.
0:06:26 > 0:06:27Not just post`war.
0:06:27 > 0:06:31It's been open ever since it was built.
0:06:31 > 0:06:34The present Chatsworth Housd, dating from 1688 stands where
0:06:34 > 0:06:39a former mansion held Mary Pueen of Scots in custody for several years.
0:06:39 > 0:06:41Today no haughty lords and ladies tread the splendhd
0:06:41 > 0:06:45stairway to the painted hall, for the present Duke of Devonshire
0:06:45 > 0:06:49is unwilling t bear the burden of living at Chatsworth House.
0:06:49 > 0:06:53He is content with the modest house nearby.
0:06:55 > 0:06:57But they were soon advised to live in Chatsworth,
0:06:57 > 0:07:00to put a family in there ag`in.
0:07:03 > 0:07:06It seemed very natural for @ndrew and his family to come back
0:07:06 > 0:07:06and live here.
0:07:06 > 0:07:10We?d lived at the other house for 12 years so we knew it intilately.
0:07:10 > 0:07:14We used to drive across and I used to say to Andrew, This is a nice
0:07:14 > 0:07:15house, I wonder who lives there
0:07:15 > 0:07:17And he used to say, Oh do bd quiet.
0:07:17 > 0:07:20And then, in the end, we cale.
0:07:20 > 0:07:23The visitors were far from ordinary.
0:07:23 > 0:07:25President Jack Kennedy is an hour late arriving at Gatwick Airport.
0:07:25 > 0:07:28He?d been making an unscheduled visit to the grave of
0:07:28 > 0:07:31his sister Kathleen in Derbxshire.
0:07:32 > 0:07:34It was 1963, the year he was assassinated.
0:07:34 > 0:07:40Here he is at Chatsworth.
0:07:40 > 0:07:43This is a letter I wrote to my sister.
0:07:43 > 0:07:44So he is coming here tomorrow.
0:07:44 > 0:07:45A proper mystery trip.
0:07:45 > 0:07:47Two helicopters arrived yesterday afternoon.
0:07:47 > 0:07:50I was sent to meet them and out tumbled ten super G`men
0:07:50 > 0:07:55of a film`ish variety plus a foreign office brigadier.
0:07:57 > 0:08:02It was a well planned visit, far from unscheduled.
0:08:02 > 0:08:05His helicopter landed up thdre by the graveyard
0:08:05 > 0:08:08and his secret service men said you can't go to Chatsworth.
0:08:08 > 0:08:09It's open to the public.
0:08:09 > 0:08:11Out of the question.
0:08:11 > 0:08:13But, of course, he came.
0:08:13 > 0:08:16Took no notice, walked up the west stairs and there
0:08:16 > 0:08:18were just a very few visitors.
0:08:18 > 0:08:20It wasn't a very nice day.
0:08:20 > 0:08:22And they looked at this man coming up the stairs.
0:08:22 > 0:08:24And then they looked at each other.
0:08:24 > 0:08:29It was a real double`take for a few of them
0:08:29 > 0:08:33and they just couldn't belidve it.
0:08:33 > 0:08:36Debo never met Elvis but shd had his memorabilia and his mushc.
0:08:36 > 0:08:39Alas, I never saw him in the flesh because he was dead
0:08:39 > 0:08:40before I realised what he w`s.
0:08:40 > 0:08:44But I've been twice to Gracdland.
0:08:44 > 0:08:54He was so beautiful when he was young.
0:08:54 > 0:09:01And his voice is better than any of the singers that I've ever heard.
0:09:03 > 0:09:05Elvis's Graceland is second only to the Whitehouse
0:09:05 > 0:09:08for visitor numbers in the States.
0:09:08 > 0:09:12Chatsworth remains one of Britain's biggest attractions.
0:09:23 > 0:09:25Life here was made absolutely wonderful by the support
0:09:25 > 0:09:30of the staff.
0:09:30 > 0:09:33The luck of living with all those people and working with thel is
0:09:33 > 0:09:36something that's not given to many.
0:09:36 > 0:09:40And that, I suppose, is really the thing I take away with le.
0:09:40 > 0:09:44From the garden, to the farls, to the inside of the house, evdrything.
0:09:47 > 0:09:51She liked to quote her friend, JFK.
0:09:51 > 0:09:53Ask not what your country c`n do for you.
0:09:53 > 0:09:57Ask what you can do for your country.
0:10:05 > 0:10:08And as a mark of respect here at Chatsworth House, the fl`g has
0:10:08 > 0:10:11been flying at half`mast.
0:10:13 > 0:10:15In England, going to university has never been more expensive.
0:10:15 > 0:10:18Some estimates put the pricd of a three year degree
0:10:18 > 0:10:21at more than ?50,000 and it?s not just tuition fdes.
0:10:21 > 0:10:24Students have to take into account living expenses and the
0:10:24 > 0:10:29loss of earnings while studxing
0:10:29 > 0:10:33So, as the new term begins, are degrees really worth thd money?
0:10:33 > 0:10:36Business guru Geoff Burch investigates.
0:10:40 > 0:10:42When I was a student I got a grant that was
0:10:42 > 0:10:44so big I could afford to run a car.
0:10:44 > 0:10:47But recently students have had to borrow so much money to fin`nce
0:10:47 > 0:10:51their education that it would pay for a brand new car
0:10:51 > 0:10:54and the next batch coming up, the money they have to borrow,
0:10:54 > 0:10:58is enough to pay for a housd.
0:10:59 > 0:11:02I am sure a lot of students are not aware when they
0:11:02 > 0:11:08start that they could be ladening themselves with a lifetime of debt.
0:11:12 > 0:11:17So, I?m exploring if a degree is a wise investment.
0:11:18 > 0:11:23And are there ways to cut the cost of higher education.
0:11:23 > 0:11:26I want to talk to you about the scintillating subject
0:11:26 > 0:11:31of student finances.
0:11:31 > 0:11:33OK, well there?s a lot to t`lk about isn't there?
0:11:33 > 0:11:36First I am meeting some students who are coming to the end
0:11:36 > 0:11:37of their courses.
0:11:37 > 0:11:39Along with her housemate, Becky Cotteril
0:11:39 > 0:11:45from Derby has completed a degree in English and a master's in Media.
0:11:47 > 0:11:51I always swore I would never set foot in student digs again
0:11:51 > 0:11:56but here I am because I havd to do some very serious investigating
0:11:56 > 0:11:59Becky, how much do you owe?
0:11:59 > 0:12:02Was it worth borrowing it and are you going to get a job
0:12:02 > 0:12:03at the end of this?
0:12:03 > 0:12:06In total, I think, including my undergrad and my master's ddgree,
0:12:06 > 0:12:10it's going to be about ?50,000.
0:12:10 > 0:12:14I know that a lot of my fridnds who finished their undergrads lhke we
0:12:14 > 0:12:17did last year, they are so shocked that they have not found jobs.
0:12:17 > 0:12:20Everyone's got a degree.
0:12:20 > 0:12:24Especially with a degree in Humanities, it doesn't ptt you
0:12:24 > 0:12:28in a better position than someone who doesn't have a degree.
0:12:31 > 0:12:35I suppose when you are making a lifelong debt for yourself you
0:12:35 > 0:12:39have to have some kind of plan.
0:12:39 > 0:12:45That is something that isn't instilled enough at school level.
0:12:45 > 0:12:47For me it has been a good investment but it might not
0:12:47 > 0:12:51be the case for everybody and there are other options to be explored
0:12:51 > 0:12:53before you make that decision.
0:12:55 > 0:12:57Hmm, so now it's crunch timd.
0:12:57 > 0:13:00These guys are suggesting you need to think hard about the course you
0:13:00 > 0:13:05choose and the employment prospects when you leave university.
0:13:07 > 0:13:12Well, it's all very well gohng to university and borrowing ?50,00 .
0:13:12 > 0:13:16But what happens if you are bright enough to go and you choose
0:13:16 > 0:13:18to do something different?
0:13:21 > 0:13:27As the old saying goes, Joel Goddard has an old head on young shoulders.
0:13:27 > 0:13:30While he waved goodbye to some of his pals, he stayed closdr to
0:13:30 > 0:13:33home in Nottingham.
0:13:33 > 0:13:37Joel is halfway through an apprenticeship to become
0:13:37 > 0:13:39a master butcher.
0:13:39 > 0:13:44A lot of your mates went to uni and yet you've chosen this.
0:13:44 > 0:13:47You can go to uni and get a degree but I wantdd to do
0:13:47 > 0:13:49an apprenticeship and get a trade.
0:13:49 > 0:13:52Some trades never die and pdople are always going to need me`t.
0:13:52 > 0:13:57All your mates who went to tni, You mix with them, you go out whth them.
0:13:57 > 0:13:59Did they have any idea wherd there future was
0:13:59 > 0:14:10after they had their degrees?
0:14:10 > 0:14:13A few of them do have their minds set on jobs.
0:14:13 > 0:14:15Some want to be teachers, some want to be doctors.
0:14:15 > 0:14:18Some of them are taking degrees just because they need to take a degree.
0:14:19 > 0:14:20That is one of the main things.
0:14:20 > 0:14:23People coming out with degrdes and not having anything to go to.
0:14:23 > 0:14:25For an 18`year`old, Joel seems pretty switched on.
0:14:25 > 0:14:28He's already won an award as National Apprentice of the Lonth.
0:14:28 > 0:14:40And I have a sneaky feeling he's got big plans for his futurd.
0:14:40 > 0:14:43I think it will be a couple of years before I take that step
0:14:43 > 0:14:44into management.
0:14:44 > 0:14:46But, yeah, I'm looking forw`rd to doing it though.
0:14:46 > 0:14:48Do you think somebody who h`s a proper apprenticeship with
0:14:48 > 0:14:51a successful businessman has a better future than somebody who
0:14:51 > 0:14:51has been to university?
0:14:51 > 0:14:53I think it is equal.
0:14:53 > 0:14:56You know, you are into debt before you even leave, whereas what we do
0:14:56 > 0:15:03here, we give you an apprenticeship so that you earn as you learn.
0:15:03 > 0:15:05Now, I am not knocking univdrsity education,
0:15:05 > 0:15:11or the doors that it can opdn, I am just exploring some alternatives.
0:15:11 > 0:15:13I have been told that at Boots it is not a problel
0:15:14 > 0:15:15if you do not have a degree.
0:15:15 > 0:15:18I'm meeting one of the big bosses.
0:15:18 > 0:15:22So, on my route to the top with this august organisation, how many
0:15:22 > 0:15:27of the current board have ddgrees?
0:15:27 > 0:15:29I would say probably about half of them.
0:15:29 > 0:15:32There are 10 people in that group, half of them have had
0:15:32 > 0:15:32a university education.
0:15:32 > 0:15:34The recently`appointed managing director of the company camd
0:15:34 > 0:15:37straight from school through a retail route, including the last
0:15:37 > 0:15:45few years at Boots, so it is a mix.
0:15:45 > 0:15:48So, I could get all the way to the top without a degree?
0:15:48 > 0:15:53You could, in fact, it has happened, you definitely could, yes!
0:15:53 > 0:15:55Clearly specialist jobs like pharmacy require
0:15:55 > 0:16:00the relevant qualifications and that means knuckling down at university.
0:16:00 > 0:16:03However, Stephen is seeing a shift in
0:16:03 > 0:16:05the way that people want to learn.
0:16:05 > 0:16:07Certainly, we find that people rather than take on the burden of
0:16:07 > 0:16:11the additional cost of a degree are making a choice to say, "Wh`t about
0:16:11 > 0:16:14if I join Boots at the age of 1 instead of going to univershty, what
0:16:14 > 0:16:18education or support could xou provide to me to allow me to benefit
0:16:18 > 0:16:20from furthering my studies, but at the same time earning a salary
0:16:20 > 0:16:22as an employee of our company?"
0:16:22 > 0:16:31and we do offer that route.
0:16:31 > 0:16:34This isn't the only local elployer to offer earn while you learn
0:16:34 > 0:16:35schemes, as I like to call them
0:16:35 > 0:16:38Some businesses offer sponsored degrees ` the company pays xou to
0:16:38 > 0:16:45work and covers the cost of your course, sounds like a great deal!
0:16:47 > 0:16:51I'm heading to Experian, a company that provides credit reports
0:16:51 > 0:16:56on people like you and me, `mongst a whole load of other stuff.
0:16:56 > 0:16:59I'm meeting two bright young things not long out of school.
0:16:59 > 0:17:01I have a feeling these guys are more
0:17:01 > 0:17:07Young Apprentice than the Young Ones.
0:17:08 > 0:17:10So, where's the student lifd, where's the drunkenness, whdre's
0:17:10 > 0:17:13the fun, where's the running around with your pants on your head?
0:17:13 > 0:17:16Where is it?
0:17:16 > 0:17:19Well, I guess you could say we do miss out on the student lifd,
0:17:19 > 0:17:22but we've kind of got used to it and we definitely work harddr than
0:17:22 > 0:17:26a normal student, yeah, nine to five, Monday to Friday.
0:17:26 > 0:17:29So, this is really exciting, you've got all the benefits.
0:17:29 > 0:17:32You've got the career, the degree, and you are really excited `bout it.
0:17:32 > 0:17:35The one thing you haven't mdntioned to me is you haven't got
0:17:35 > 0:17:38a ?50,000 student debt.
0:17:38 > 0:17:39Does that matter?
0:17:39 > 0:17:41I think that's definitely a really positive point
0:17:41 > 0:17:44of this opportunity and the ?50 000 debt wouldn't have put me off
0:17:44 > 0:17:47of university, but the fact that we do not have that is obviously
0:17:47 > 0:17:52a massive plus point for me.
0:17:52 > 0:17:55Yes, you can put that money aside and buy your first hotse.
0:17:55 > 0:17:59Yes, maybe!
0:18:00 > 0:18:03To end my day, I'm letting the world of academia have the last s`y.
0:18:03 > 0:18:06Are degrees good value for loney and the right choice for ne`rly half
0:18:06 > 0:18:12a million students in 2014?
0:18:13 > 0:18:16First question, tough one, shall I take an apprenticeship or
0:18:16 > 0:18:19shall I go to university, what would you tell them to do?
0:18:19 > 0:18:22I think they need to understand what it is that they want to
0:18:22 > 0:18:22achieve after university.
0:18:22 > 0:18:27Some degrees are going to bd very important to get
0:18:27 > 0:18:30into specific areas, medicine is the best example of that.
0:18:30 > 0:18:34But actually, there are huge options for graduates
0:18:35 > 0:18:36in all sorts of different sdctors.
0:18:36 > 0:18:39So what you are saying is that the modern student needs to know
0:18:39 > 0:18:42what they are doing and have done a bit of rese`rch
0:18:42 > 0:18:45I think to get the most of the university experiencd and
0:18:45 > 0:18:52investment that people are going to put into it, research into the
0:18:52 > 0:18:55course and institution that you will apply to will make a big difference.
0:18:55 > 0:19:01So is it degree or no degred?
0:19:02 > 0:19:06What is for sure is that it is down to hard work, self belhef
0:19:06 > 0:19:09and having an eye on the future and knowing what you want from it.
0:19:09 > 0:19:10Oh, thank goodness that's over.
0:19:10 > 0:19:17Is that student bar still open?
0:19:21 > 0:19:24At the end of the year, British troops will pull out of Afghanistan.
0:19:24 > 0:19:26During the conflict many soldiers have lost
0:19:26 > 0:19:27their lives, others their lhmbs
0:19:27 > 0:19:30Well, now families with lovdd ones returning are being warned to look
0:19:30 > 0:19:33out for less visible signs of the traumas of war
0:19:33 > 0:19:36before it is too late.
0:19:36 > 0:19:41Sarah Sturdy reports from Nottinghamshire.
0:19:42 > 0:19:47Cheers!
0:19:50 > 0:19:53We are hoping to raise loads and loads and loads of monex
0:19:53 > 0:19:58for SSAFA, so dig deep, ple`se!
0:19:58 > 0:20:01Mary and Karen are united through their loss.
0:20:01 > 0:20:05Lee died a week before Ashldy and that is what brought us together
0:20:05 > 0:20:10and we are now very good frhends and we try to raise money together.
0:20:10 > 0:20:16If I could please ask everybody for a minute's silence.
0:20:18 > 0:20:21Mary and Karen's sons were war veterans but they were only 23
0:20:21 > 0:20:23and 24 when they died.
0:20:23 > 0:20:25They are remembered here at Mansfield's memorial to
0:20:25 > 0:20:29their fallen heroes.
0:20:31 > 0:20:34But the two young men, well, they weren't killed in Afgh`nistan
0:20:34 > 0:20:37or Iraq, they had left the @rmy but they could not leave
0:20:37 > 0:20:38behind the emotional trauma of war.
0:20:38 > 0:20:45Lee and Ashley took their own lives just a week apart.
0:20:49 > 0:20:51He was such a lovely, lovely young boy.
0:20:51 > 0:20:53And in his late teenage years he was always...
0:20:53 > 0:20:55Life was all a party.
0:20:55 > 0:20:58He just absolutely loved thd Army and eventually this was going to be
0:20:58 > 0:21:01the career he would choose.
0:21:01 > 0:21:05I noticed that as soon as wd fetched Ashley from Brize Norton...
0:21:05 > 0:21:09when his tour had finished, the look on his face, he looked so v`cant.
0:21:09 > 0:21:12It wasn't Ashley any more, it wasn't the fun`loving, h`ppy
0:21:12 > 0:21:20little son who I had.
0:21:21 > 0:21:23Lee was really happy`go`lucky.
0:21:23 > 0:21:26He was a prankster and kept everybody entertained.
0:21:26 > 0:21:28He joined the Army just before he was 18.
0:21:28 > 0:21:32He was doing really well and enjoying it.
0:21:32 > 0:21:36After Afghanistan, that's when you noticed the change.
0:21:36 > 0:21:40He'd got moody, quiet.
0:21:40 > 0:21:44His friends said that he wasn't the same lad when he came ott.
0:21:44 > 0:21:46We used to say, "Tell us about it,"
0:21:46 > 0:21:49and he would say it's a need`to`know basis, you don't need to know.
0:21:49 > 0:21:51It just says here, look, in black and white,
0:21:51 > 0:21:54"Ashley is at risk of suicide."
0:21:54 > 0:21:56That was a couple of weeks before he was released.
0:21:56 > 0:21:58And you didn't know anything about that?
0:21:58 > 0:21:59Nothing.
0:21:59 > 0:22:03That is exactly the same with Lee.
0:22:06 > 0:22:10The systems have failed, yot know, there needs to be a better link
0:22:10 > 0:22:15between the MoD and the GPs, but there also needs to be more help.
0:22:15 > 0:22:18The Ministry of Defence told me that mental health is a top priority
0:22:18 > 0:22:20To ensure better continuity of care, when a veteran reghsters
0:22:20 > 0:22:23with a GP, the doctor now rdceives a letter stating they have received
0:22:23 > 0:22:29military medical services.
0:22:32 > 0:22:35But it's not the whole answdr.
0:22:35 > 0:22:38A veteran still has to admit that they have a problem and ask
0:22:38 > 0:22:39for help.
0:22:39 > 0:22:44They can wait years.
0:22:45 > 0:22:49Phil Bond was a nurse in the Territorial Army.
0:22:49 > 0:22:51He had been an A nurse in Nottingham but nothing prepared
0:22:51 > 0:22:58him for the nine months that he spent in Iraq and Afghanist`n.
0:22:58 > 0:23:01Children coming in having been bombed, shot at. .
0:23:01 > 0:23:08Men and women, again, limbs missing, life`threatening injuries.
0:23:08 > 0:23:12The worst thing that I saw was a man whose body I had to gtard
0:23:12 > 0:23:15over, he had had his head blown off with an IED, literally,
0:23:15 > 0:23:21there was nothing...straight across like a clean line.
0:23:23 > 0:23:26On his return, Phil's wife noticed a big difference.
0:23:26 > 0:23:30He had never really shown any sort of aggression or anger beforehand.
0:23:30 > 0:23:33When I was very heavily pregnant, it came to a point in
0:23:33 > 0:23:36a car park where he just colpletely lost it with somebody else over what
0:23:36 > 0:23:37seemed to be nothing.
0:23:37 > 0:23:40When we got home I said, "You either go and get help or you
0:23:40 > 0:23:42have to leave,"
0:23:42 > 0:23:50cos I wasn't prepared to brhng up a baby with someone who was lhke that.
0:23:52 > 0:23:56After four years of suffering and ten weeks of NHS counselling,
0:23:56 > 0:23:59he was referred to the veterans mental health charity Combat Stress
0:23:59 > 0:24:04and one of its residential centres.
0:24:04 > 0:24:08It took me a good half an hour just to get out of the car, just to
0:24:08 > 0:24:10go through the doors.
0:24:10 > 0:24:14He was diagnosed with post`traumatic stress disorder,
0:24:14 > 0:24:16but PTSD doesn't go away.
0:24:16 > 0:24:19He thought about ending his life.
0:24:19 > 0:24:23I caught myself just standing there, staring into traffic, thinkhng,
0:24:23 > 0:24:27"It would be very easy to jtmp off right now."
0:24:30 > 0:24:33A second residential stay has made the difference.
0:24:33 > 0:24:36It has changed my life, saved my life, saved my marriage.
0:24:36 > 0:24:39I could definitely say that if it wasn't for Combat Strdss,
0:24:39 > 0:24:43I wouldn't be here.
0:24:44 > 0:24:47There is a big worry about when we withdraw from Afghanistan
0:24:47 > 0:24:50as to how many mental health cases there will actually be, and I think
0:24:50 > 0:24:56there will be a tidal wave.
0:25:00 > 0:25:03Armed Forces Day in Nottingham.
0:25:03 > 0:25:06Even doctors in the forces can fail to recognise their own
0:25:06 > 0:25:11post`traumatic stress for ddcades.
0:25:11 > 0:25:14Barry Barber is a retired Army doctor who has specialised
0:25:14 > 0:25:16in psychiatry.
0:25:16 > 0:25:21This is me as a colonel in Germany just before the Gulf War st`rted.
0:25:21 > 0:25:23In 1979, following the birth of his son, he
0:25:24 > 0:25:28was stationed in Northern Ireland.
0:25:30 > 0:25:32Barry attended the Warrenpohnt atrocity after the first bolb,
0:25:32 > 0:25:35then a second exploded.
0:25:35 > 0:25:36I looked across and...that
0:25:36 > 0:25:38well`known pink mist, you know, just ` pwoof!
0:25:38 > 0:25:43` five people just totally disappear in front of your dyes
0:25:43 > 0:25:46Barry struggled for the next 25 years.
0:25:46 > 0:25:50A fellow GP convinced him he had PTSD.
0:25:50 > 0:25:53A little light bulb went on and I thought, "No, no, no,
0:25:53 > 0:25:55I'm a psychiatrist, I can't go mad," you know?
0:25:55 > 0:25:56And using the pejorative term, "mad",
0:25:56 > 0:26:02I still don't. "mad",
0:26:02 > 0:26:05Myself, I would much rather have lost an eye or a leg
0:26:05 > 0:26:09and I would have treated myself as a hero and been proud to sax, "Oh,
0:26:09 > 0:26:11yes, I lost that at Warrenpoint "
0:26:11 > 0:26:14I'm the veteran liaison chalpion...
0:26:14 > 0:26:17Deborah Hill's NHS role ` gdtting help for veterans ` started this
0:26:17 > 0:26:20year, but it's just two days a week.
0:26:20 > 0:26:24There is help out there but there is still a gap in a way.
0:26:24 > 0:26:27There are still veterans finding it very difficult to access.
0:26:27 > 0:26:29We do lack funding and so, unfortunately, at the moment,
0:26:29 > 0:26:32people, if they come through the veteran liaison champion, wd would
0:26:32 > 0:26:35signpost them to the trauma centre, but we do need more funding for
0:26:35 > 0:26:41that, there is no doubt abott it.
0:26:43 > 0:26:45The Department of Health told me that it w`s
0:26:45 > 0:26:48working with Combat Stress to improve access and it has ddveloped
0:26:48 > 0:26:52a mental health support network
0:26:54 > 0:26:57The National Memorial Arbordtum at Alrewas, in Staffordshird,
0:26:57 > 0:27:00where the names of those who have fallen in battle are engravdd.
0:27:00 > 0:27:03The names of Lee Bonsall and Ashley Clarkson won't be fotnd here,
0:27:03 > 0:27:09but their mothers know several young men who are remembered.
0:27:09 > 0:27:16Aw, Andrew, Lee's best friend.
0:27:25 > 0:27:27Coming to this place and seeing all the men and women,
0:27:27 > 0:27:33you know, engraved on the w`lls it is absolutely beautiful.
0:27:33 > 0:27:35But there is not going to be nothing for...
0:27:35 > 0:27:45Sorry, for men and women who die through suffering PTSD.
0:27:51 > 0:27:53Don't take your own life...
0:27:53 > 0:27:57cos it's just devastating.
0:27:57 > 0:28:04Just talk to somebody.
0:28:05 > 0:28:08If things don't change and they don't give them more help, then they
0:28:08 > 0:28:11are going to see more of wh`t happened to our sons, they `re going
0:28:11 > 0:28:15to be more suicides, the devastation and the effect on families.
0:28:15 > 0:28:17These lads have fought for their country.
0:28:17 > 0:28:20Our boys, you know, went to war got medals,
0:28:20 > 0:28:25come out with a different b`ttle that nobody seems to care about
0:28:30 > 0:28:33And the MoD says that most troops stationed in Afghanistan ard already
0:28:33 > 0:28:36home and that combat operathons will finish by the end of the ye`r.
0:28:36 > 0:28:40And that's it from Chatsworth.
0:28:42 > 0:28:42Oh!
0:28:42 > 0:28:44Horrendous.
0:28:44 > 0:28:46He looks worse today, there is actually flesh hanging out
0:28:46 > 0:28:48of the wound.
0:28:48 > 0:28:51Neglected and in pain, why `re so many horses being left to stffer?
0:28:51 > 0:28:56I am quite concerned about these ponies.
0:29:14 > 0:29:16Hello, I'm Sophie Long with your 90 second update.
0:29:16 > 0:29:18A freeze on working-age benefits for two years.
0:29:18 > 0:29:20That's among the Chancellor's plans to cut welfare
0:29:20 > 0:29:23and the nation's debt if the Tories win next year's general election.
0:29:23 > 0:29:24Pensions, disability and maternity pay
0:29:24 > 0:29:29wouldn't be affected but Jobseekers Allowance and child benefit would.
0:29:29 > 0:29:30The details at 10.00pm.
0:29:30 > 0:29:33Ann Maguire was stabbed to death at a Leeds school in April.
0:29:33 > 0:29:35Today thousands attended a memorial service for the teacher.
0:29:35 > 0:29:37Her family say they've been comforted by the community.
0:29:37 > 0:29:39Jailed for sending abusive tweets to an MP.
0:29:39 > 0:29:42Peter Nunn targetted Stella Creasy after she campaigned to get the
0:29:42 > 0:29:45author Jane Austen on the ?10 note.
0:29:45 > 0:29:46He'll serve 18 weeks.
0:29:46 > 0:29:50Midwives in England have voted to go on strike for the first time
0:29:50 > 0:29:51in their history.
0:29:51 > 0:29:54They'll join a four-hour stoppage with other NHS workers next month.
0:29:54 > 0:29:57It's a dispute over pay.
0:29:57 > 0:29:59Aldi has promised 65 new stores after a huge jump
0:29:59 > 0:30:00in its pre-tax profits.