0:00:01 > 0:00:04Hello and welcome to Wollaton Park in Nottingham.
0:00:04 > 0:00:08Tonight, the shadowy world of the family courts and the parents
0:00:08 > 0:00:10who are speaking out.
0:00:10 > 0:00:13This couple say the adoption of their two children was
0:00:13 > 0:00:17an appalling miscarriage of justice.
0:00:17 > 0:00:20The best way I can try and explain it is using the phrase of
0:00:20 > 0:00:22a living bereavement.
0:00:22 > 0:00:25There is no grave to mourn at because they are alive,
0:00:25 > 0:00:28they are out there somewhere.
0:00:28 > 0:00:31Also tonight, what will Brexit mean for our wildlife?
0:00:31 > 0:00:36Mike Dilger has been investigating.
0:00:36 > 0:00:38Now that we are responsible for our own environmental policy,
0:00:38 > 0:00:42if we don't get it right, it could be bad news for nature.
0:00:42 > 0:00:45And remembering the Guinea Pig Club.
0:00:45 > 0:00:49I hit the ground rather violently and this was an inferno.
0:00:49 > 0:00:52The stories that matter closer to home.
0:00:52 > 0:00:56I'm Lukwesa Burak and this is Inside Out for the East Midlands.
0:01:13 > 0:01:16First tonight, the extraordinary story of a Derbyshire couple
0:01:16 > 0:01:18who fought eight long years to have their adopted
0:01:18 > 0:01:19children returned to them.
0:01:19 > 0:01:22As journalists, we struggle to report on stories like this
0:01:22 > 0:01:24because family court hearings are held in private and,
0:01:24 > 0:01:27to protect children, much of what takes place
0:01:27 > 0:01:29can't be published.
0:01:29 > 0:01:33But this particular case could have much wider implications.
0:01:33 > 0:01:35The couple have given their first UK television
0:01:35 > 0:01:38interview to Sarah Sturdey.
0:01:43 > 0:01:47On a Sunday afternoon in September 2008, Sue and Peter,
0:01:47 > 0:01:52not their real names, were at home in Derbyshire.
0:01:54 > 0:01:57Life for their family was about to change forever.
0:01:57 > 0:02:01We are not naming the couple to protect the children.
0:02:01 > 0:02:04My youngest was nine months old and I was sitting,
0:02:04 > 0:02:09giving my youngest a very gentle baby massage when I noticed this
0:02:09 > 0:02:11funny swelling on his head.
0:02:11 > 0:02:15He wasn't distressed, he allowed me to touch it.
0:02:15 > 0:02:19Sue and Peter took their son to Nottingham's A
0:02:19 > 0:02:24Sue says after a scan they were told there was a skull fracture and signs
0:02:24 > 0:02:28of previous bleeding on the brain.
0:02:28 > 0:02:30We were in absolute shock.
0:02:30 > 0:02:32Disbelief.
0:02:32 > 0:02:35They ask me, do you know what happened?
0:02:35 > 0:02:39They asked me a couple of times and each time I said no.
0:02:39 > 0:02:43None of this...it seemed so surreal.
0:02:43 > 0:02:46You are in a total daze.
0:02:46 > 0:02:50We got the distinct impression that there was quite a bit
0:02:50 > 0:02:53of confusion as to what was going on, whether there was
0:02:53 > 0:02:56or wasn't any fractures.
0:03:04 > 0:03:07A month later at a children's centre, the couple had
0:03:07 > 0:03:12to say goodbye to their two young sons, aged 10 months and three.
0:03:12 > 0:03:15They were being taken into care by Derbyshire County Council
0:03:15 > 0:03:19while their future was decided by the family courts.
0:03:21 > 0:03:25The day we originally lost the boys on 31st October 2008
0:03:25 > 0:03:28was the worst day of my life.
0:03:28 > 0:03:30That's when my life ended.
0:03:32 > 0:03:37To hear your child screaming, daddy, please save me,
0:03:37 > 0:03:41and knowing there is nothing at all you can do,
0:03:41 > 0:03:43it just kills you.
0:03:43 > 0:03:47You just stop living because you are ripped apart.
0:03:49 > 0:03:54How do you say goodbye to your kids and try to explain to them?
0:03:54 > 0:03:58That day is burned into our memories.
0:03:58 > 0:04:02That haunts us today because the look on their faces
0:04:02 > 0:04:07when they were taken away, that is the hardest thing ever.
0:04:17 > 0:04:21Civil family court hearings are held behind closed doors.
0:04:21 > 0:04:24It's rare for cases to be heard in public.
0:04:24 > 0:04:27In December 2008, the couple were told there was no
0:04:27 > 0:04:30criminal case to answer.
0:04:30 > 0:04:35A year later, a family court hearing was held to consider the facts.
0:04:35 > 0:04:37We can say the boys were judged to be at risk.
0:04:37 > 0:04:42They were never returned to their parents.
0:04:44 > 0:04:46Sue refused to give up.
0:04:46 > 0:04:49She researched her legal rights and asked for
0:04:49 > 0:04:51hospital medical records.
0:04:51 > 0:04:55These documents were sent to her.
0:04:55 > 0:05:01These are hospital clinical reports to diagnose the swollen skull.
0:05:01 > 0:05:02I was in shock.
0:05:02 > 0:05:04Absolute shock.
0:05:04 > 0:05:07I couldn't believe what I was actually reading.
0:05:07 > 0:05:11The document states very clearly that there is no skull fracture
0:05:11 > 0:05:15and in the skeletal survey, it says it's more likely
0:05:15 > 0:05:19a fissure than a fracture.
0:05:19 > 0:05:23And this hadn't been disclosed to us.
0:05:25 > 0:05:29A fissure being a natural variant, more like a deep groove,
0:05:29 > 0:05:32than a skull fracture.
0:05:32 > 0:05:35This was rather distressing to read.
0:05:38 > 0:05:42The hospital confirmed to us the medical records
0:05:42 > 0:05:44were passed to the Council.
0:05:44 > 0:05:46So why hadn't Sue been told about potentially
0:05:46 > 0:05:49crucial medical evidence?
0:05:49 > 0:05:52She dispensed with her lawyer and tried to navigate the legal
0:05:52 > 0:05:56system herself but the adoption eventually went ahead.
0:06:00 > 0:06:04200 miles away in Salisbury, Sue has found a new solicitor
0:06:04 > 0:06:06to take on her case.
0:06:06 > 0:06:09He's had success with a high-profile miscarriage of justice.
0:06:11 > 0:06:15Bill Bache represented Angela Cannings, whose wrongful
0:06:15 > 0:06:18conviction for murdering two of her babies was
0:06:18 > 0:06:20eventually overturned.
0:06:20 > 0:06:22The cause of the deaths could have been genetic.
0:06:22 > 0:06:28He also believes this case raises serious questions.
0:06:28 > 0:06:34The parents may well have suffered the most appalling injustice.
0:06:34 > 0:06:41If the anomalies that were identified were in fact
0:06:41 > 0:06:46naturally occurring, then they have had their children
0:06:46 > 0:06:51taken away from them for absolutely no good reason whatsoever.
0:06:54 > 0:06:58John Hemming is a former Birmingham MP who campaigns
0:06:58 > 0:07:00about controversial adoptions.
0:07:00 > 0:07:04In 2013, using parliamentary protection, he questioned why
0:07:04 > 0:07:07the parents weren't told about the naturally
0:07:07 > 0:07:09occurring fissure.
0:07:09 > 0:07:13There was a court order on October the 30th 2008 which said
0:07:13 > 0:07:15all evidence should be provided to the parents.
0:07:15 > 0:07:18This did not happen.
0:07:18 > 0:07:22Derbyshire County Council declined to comment but did obtain approval
0:07:22 > 0:07:25from the judge for court medical reports and the court judgements
0:07:25 > 0:07:32to be released to us but we're not allowed to tell you the contents.
0:07:36 > 0:07:39And there's another extraordinary twist.
0:07:39 > 0:07:43Two years ago, Sue was diagnosed with a genetic inheritable condition
0:07:43 > 0:07:46affecting her body's joints.
0:07:46 > 0:07:49It's called Ehlers-Danlos Sundrome.
0:07:49 > 0:07:53It explains a lifetime of health problems.
0:07:54 > 0:07:57I've got various bolts and nuts and screws holding me together,
0:07:57 > 0:08:01I've got a cage that's surrounding my spine
0:08:01 > 0:08:04and it holds me up.
0:08:06 > 0:08:11Having received the Ehlers-Danlos diagnosis, this can easily now
0:08:11 > 0:08:16explain my son's condition when presented to the hospital.
0:08:16 > 0:08:21If a parent suffers it, then it may well be that children
0:08:21 > 0:08:26will also inherit it and I believe there are a lot of cases where this
0:08:26 > 0:08:32connection might be very important indeed to the resolution of what has
0:08:32 > 0:08:36actually happened to these children.
0:08:37 > 0:08:42The charity Ehlers-Danlos Support UK told us it has received calls
0:08:42 > 0:08:45from a dozen families diagnosed with EDS facing child
0:08:45 > 0:08:47protection proceedings.
0:08:47 > 0:08:50The charity says there's a lack of understanding
0:08:50 > 0:08:53about the condition.
0:08:55 > 0:08:58Armed with Sue's new medical diagnosis, Bill Bache says
0:08:58 > 0:09:01in an unprecedented move he is now seeking a new review of the court
0:09:01 > 0:09:06hearing which considered the facts of the case seven years ago.
0:09:11 > 0:09:16Every year, I put a little message in a bottle for each boy,
0:09:16 > 0:09:21for each year of their birth, that when they get to the age of 21,
0:09:21 > 0:09:26they can see our dreams and our wishes for them.
0:09:28 > 0:09:33The separation is hard and the best way I can actually try and explain
0:09:33 > 0:09:38it is using the phrase of a living bereavement.
0:09:38 > 0:09:42There is no grave to mourn it because they are alive,
0:09:42 > 0:09:44they are out there somewhere.
0:09:46 > 0:09:50One of the hardest things is being around children
0:09:50 > 0:09:54because it's a constant reminder of what you're missing,
0:09:54 > 0:09:57what they could be doing, what do they look like now,
0:09:57 > 0:10:00could they be enjoying things.
0:10:03 > 0:10:06Since the original case, recent family court guidelines
0:10:06 > 0:10:10encourage the publication of some judgements so the courts
0:10:10 > 0:10:12are more accountable.
0:10:12 > 0:10:15In the short-term, I can't see anything
0:10:15 > 0:10:19happening about the adoption but in the shorter term I believe
0:10:19 > 0:10:25that it may well be possible to revisit the findings in a way
0:10:25 > 0:10:30that I hope would reflect well on them.
0:10:32 > 0:10:36This has been an extremely hard, long eight years.
0:10:36 > 0:10:39It has had an impact on our health.
0:10:39 > 0:10:43I will never ever, ever, ever give up on my children.
0:10:43 > 0:10:48We don't know what the outcome is going to be but I have to try.
0:10:54 > 0:10:57And of course we will be keeping an eye on how the case goes.
0:10:57 > 0:11:02Well, as we prepare to leave the EU, many people will be asking questions
0:11:02 > 0:11:05such as, is my job safe, will the cost of food be going up,
0:11:05 > 0:11:10and what on earth is going to happen to all our Polish plumbers.
0:11:10 > 0:11:14Wildlife broadcaster Mike Dilger has questions of his own.
0:11:14 > 0:11:18He's been exploring how the UK's departure from the European Union
0:11:18 > 0:11:21could have big implications for the environment
0:11:21 > 0:11:24and protected wildlife.
0:11:25 > 0:11:27We've all heard the EU myths.
0:11:27 > 0:11:31Bananas shouldn't be bendy, children banned from blowing up
0:11:31 > 0:11:34balloons and let's not even talk about what they want to do
0:11:35 > 0:11:38with our vacuum cleaners.
0:11:40 > 0:11:44There have been plenty of EU rules and regulations that have
0:11:44 > 0:11:48ruffled our feathers over the years and one of them includes
0:11:48 > 0:11:50a furry, flying mammal.
0:11:53 > 0:11:56From the headlines, British bats may appear to be
0:11:56 > 0:11:59the bane of every builder, holding up planning and causing
0:11:59 > 0:12:02costly delays, but there's a very good reason why these little
0:12:02 > 0:12:06creatures receive protection under the EU.
0:12:11 > 0:12:16For decades, their numbers plummeted right across Europe and something
0:12:16 > 0:12:20had to be done to reverse this depressing decline.
0:12:24 > 0:12:27I'm joining Derbyshire Wildlife Trust as they carry out
0:12:27 > 0:12:29an important survey.
0:12:29 > 0:12:30Yes, we have.
0:12:30 > 0:12:32It's a bat.
0:12:32 > 0:12:36And it doesn't take us long to find what we're looking for - bats.
0:12:36 > 0:12:40A soprano pipistrelle - one of the smallest species in Europe.
0:12:40 > 0:12:43We found a bat incredibly quickly and perhaps 10 years ago
0:12:43 > 0:12:46we might have struggled because they were struggling
0:12:46 > 0:12:48in the latter half of the 20th century, weren't they?
0:12:48 > 0:12:49Absolutely.
0:12:49 > 0:12:52There's a variety of reasons why bat numbers were decreasing,
0:12:52 > 0:12:55from pesticide use, agricultural practices, changing
0:12:55 > 0:13:00landscapes and the loss of the roosts themselves.
0:13:00 > 0:13:02They were getting it from all sides.
0:13:02 > 0:13:06How has EU legislation helped bat populations in Britain?
0:13:06 > 0:13:10In the UK we have the Wildlife and Countryside Act and that
0:13:10 > 0:13:12just protects the bats.
0:13:12 > 0:13:14The EU legislation itself helps protect the bats,
0:13:14 > 0:13:17the roost and their foraging and commuting grounds.
0:13:17 > 0:13:20So there's no point just protecting the bat if where it lives
0:13:20 > 0:13:23and where it feeds is not protected at all.
0:13:23 > 0:13:25Exactly.
0:13:27 > 0:13:29So uncertain times ahead for bats?
0:13:29 > 0:13:31Definitely.
0:13:31 > 0:13:34So evidence suggests legislation really has helped.
0:13:34 > 0:13:38Of the 16 bat species surveyed by the European Environment Agency
0:13:38 > 0:13:41across nine countries, results show that bat
0:13:42 > 0:13:44numbers have recovered.
0:13:44 > 0:13:48In fact, up by a healthy 40% since the 1990s.
0:13:52 > 0:13:56And it's not only flying mammals which get special treatment.
0:13:56 > 0:14:00Most of the UK's wildlife and environmental legislation
0:14:00 > 0:14:03is based around EU directives.
0:14:05 > 0:14:11And post-Brexit, there's uncertainty as to how these will be replaced.
0:14:11 > 0:14:14It's got Rutland farmer and wildlife enthusiasts
0:14:14 > 0:14:17Andrew Brown very worried.
0:14:17 > 0:14:20Andrew, we're standing in the middle of one of your wader scrapes
0:14:20 > 0:14:23which is full of water and wading in the winter and breeding
0:14:23 > 0:14:25birds in the summer.
0:14:25 > 0:14:27We've spotted some wildlife already.
0:14:27 > 0:14:30That just goes to show what great little islands
0:14:30 > 0:14:32of wildlife these are.
0:14:32 > 0:14:35We've got a little frog, a common frog.
0:14:35 > 0:14:37Well spotted.
0:14:39 > 0:14:43These little frog-friendly habitats are all because of money
0:14:43 > 0:14:45from Europe, from EU subsidies?
0:14:45 > 0:14:46Absolutely.
0:14:46 > 0:14:49I've taken 23 hectares out of production and I've put
0:14:49 > 0:14:55in a woodland, three hectares, and I have put in these scrapes.
0:14:55 > 0:14:58Are you worried about the future, about Brexit
0:14:58 > 0:15:00and where things are going?
0:15:00 > 0:15:01Absolutely.
0:15:01 > 0:15:04I think it could be a big disaster for wildlife.
0:15:04 > 0:15:06I have been in this scheme for six years and it
0:15:06 > 0:15:08comes to an end in 2020.
0:15:08 > 0:15:12I'm concerned that if I can't get into the next scheme,
0:15:12 > 0:15:15whatever that may be, because we don't know yet,
0:15:15 > 0:15:18I may have to undo all this good work that has been done
0:15:18 > 0:15:21because I can't afford to do it without being paid.
0:15:21 > 0:15:24It's going to be a big problem for the countryside.
0:15:25 > 0:15:30Currently farmers receive around ?3 billion a year from Brussels.
0:15:30 > 0:15:34The lion's share goes towards food production, with ?600 million
0:15:34 > 0:15:37on environmental stewardship.
0:15:37 > 0:15:42But could Brexit allow us to reset all the rules?
0:15:44 > 0:15:47The National Trust manages around 1,000 square miles of land.
0:15:47 > 0:15:51That's roughly the size of Derbyshire.
0:15:51 > 0:15:54And the Trust says that Brexit offers new opportunities
0:15:54 > 0:15:56for farming and for wildlife.
0:15:56 > 0:15:59I've come to Cork Abbey to meet the Rural Enterprise
0:15:59 > 0:16:02Director to find out more.
0:16:05 > 0:16:08We have to hope that we will get at least as much
0:16:08 > 0:16:10for the environment.
0:16:10 > 0:16:12What we would like to see is it growing.
0:16:12 > 0:16:15We think that is where public money ought to be focusing.
0:16:15 > 0:16:17All the public benefits come from a vibrant countryside.
0:16:17 > 0:16:20We want water protected, we want our habitats in good shape
0:16:20 > 0:16:22and we want our wildlife to thrive.
0:16:25 > 0:16:28We really are at a crossroads though.
0:16:28 > 0:16:29It could go either way.
0:16:29 > 0:16:30It could.
0:16:30 > 0:16:32It's a transition period.
0:16:32 > 0:16:35Everything to play for over the next six months, 18 months.
0:16:35 > 0:16:38Quite a difficult road, quite a lot of debates to be
0:16:38 > 0:16:40had over that period.
0:16:40 > 0:16:43It's up to us who really care about the countryside
0:16:43 > 0:16:47to make our voice heard and stand up for things we believe in.
0:16:51 > 0:16:53So what happens now?
0:16:53 > 0:16:57And how do we untangle 40 years of environmental legislation?
0:16:57 > 0:17:02Pauline Latham, MP for Mid Derbyshire, backed Brexit.
0:17:02 > 0:17:05I don't think people need to be too worried because I do believe
0:17:05 > 0:17:08what we want to do as a government is strengthen the legislation.
0:17:08 > 0:17:11We want to make it better.
0:17:11 > 0:17:14Many of the laws Europe brought to us are enshrined in British law
0:17:14 > 0:17:18so I don't think that is going to be too big a problem.
0:17:18 > 0:17:21But it doesn't mean to say people shouldn't think about it.
0:17:21 > 0:17:23They should be lobbying their MPs, the NFU, Wildlife Trust,
0:17:23 > 0:17:25all those organisations.
0:17:25 > 0:17:28They need to be listening to their members and telling
0:17:28 > 0:17:31government what they want to make life better for them,
0:17:31 > 0:17:34for their members and for the wildlife in this country.
0:17:34 > 0:17:37You're saying it's a tremendous opportunity.
0:17:37 > 0:17:39It can be.
0:17:39 > 0:17:43And I think we could have this opportunity to reassess what we need
0:17:43 > 0:17:47to do, how we can make life better for everybody and the wildlife.
0:17:49 > 0:17:52I'm ending the day just outside Chesterfield.
0:17:52 > 0:17:57Derbyshire Wildlife Trust wanted to meet me here for a good reason.
0:17:59 > 0:18:03This is the River Rother in North Derbyshire and back
0:18:03 > 0:18:08in the 1970s it was considered one of the most contaminated rivers
0:18:08 > 0:18:10in the entire country.
0:18:10 > 0:18:15Coking plants, sewage works and manufacturing chemicals
0:18:15 > 0:18:21all added to this toxic soup, making it unable to sustain life.
0:18:21 > 0:18:24But how things have changed.
0:18:24 > 0:18:28Species like minnow, barbel and even crayfish can
0:18:28 > 0:18:31all be found here now.
0:18:31 > 0:18:34Tim, you think that EU legislation is responsible
0:18:34 > 0:18:37for the health of the River Rother as it stands today?
0:18:37 > 0:18:38Absolutely.
0:18:38 > 0:18:41This used to be one of the filthiest rivers in Europe, filled with sewage
0:18:42 > 0:18:44and chemicals from industry.
0:18:44 > 0:18:48There's no question that EU legislation has massively helped
0:18:48 > 0:18:51to improve the quality of the river, with all the amazing wildlife
0:18:51 > 0:18:53we have got back now.
0:18:53 > 0:18:58Moving forward outside of the EU, are you optimistic about the future?
0:18:58 > 0:19:00Will they keep the laws?
0:19:00 > 0:19:03The Wildlife Trust, we are concerned, and the key thing
0:19:03 > 0:19:06is, there's got to be absolutely no backsliding.
0:19:06 > 0:19:09We don't want to see a decrease in water quality,
0:19:09 > 0:19:12we want more wildlife back so people can enjoy the amazing
0:19:12 > 0:19:14wildlife of our rivers.
0:19:14 > 0:19:16It's absolutely key.
0:19:20 > 0:19:24David Cameron claimed that 40% of our laws were shaped by Brussels
0:19:24 > 0:19:28while Nigel Farage maintained it was more like 75%.
0:19:28 > 0:19:32Whatever the figure, it's clear that things are going to change
0:19:32 > 0:19:35and now that we are responsible for our own environmental policy,
0:19:35 > 0:19:39if we don't get it right, it could be bad news for nature.
0:19:44 > 0:19:47Well, our final story tonight comes from Leicestershire,
0:19:47 > 0:19:51where a veteran airman from Burton Lazars is on one final
0:19:51 > 0:19:55mission, to build a memorial for airmen severely burned
0:19:55 > 0:19:57during World War II.
0:19:57 > 0:20:00Victoria Hicks has been following Sandy Saunders' quest
0:20:00 > 0:20:03to ensure the legacy of the Guinea Pig Club
0:20:03 > 0:20:05is never forgotten.
0:20:09 > 0:20:17The 27th of September 1945 was a very important day in my life.
0:20:17 > 0:20:22By the end of the day, my life would have been totally changed.
0:20:25 > 0:20:30I hit the ground rather violently and this was an inferno.
0:20:30 > 0:20:35I undid the straps, the buckle, climbed over the starboard side
0:20:35 > 0:20:40of the aircraft and fell to the ground and then I was
0:20:40 > 0:20:43unconscious and woke up in hospital.
0:20:45 > 0:20:49It was just a horrible feeling.
0:20:49 > 0:20:53A feeling of terror.
0:20:53 > 0:20:57You feel as if you're just going to die now.
0:21:03 > 0:21:04Where are you?
0:21:04 > 0:21:05I can't see.
0:21:05 > 0:21:07I'm up there.
0:21:07 > 0:21:09You can tell from my hat.
0:21:09 > 0:21:12It looks like Rommel.
0:21:12 > 0:21:16Sandy Saunders was 22, a trainee glider pilot
0:21:16 > 0:21:20on a navigation exercise in Warwickshire when the plane's
0:21:20 > 0:21:23engine stalled and it crashed.
0:21:23 > 0:21:28I was covered with aviation fuel and I was on fire.
0:21:28 > 0:21:34I got horrid burns up my entire legs and my hands and my face.
0:21:34 > 0:21:40He suffered 40% burns and in 1947 was sent to a pioneering plastic
0:21:40 > 0:21:43surgeon based in West Sussex.
0:21:43 > 0:21:49I was referred to Archibald McIndoe in East Grinstead and he did
0:21:49 > 0:21:58a further 14 operations, which gave me the face I've got now.
0:22:02 > 0:22:05McIndoe had been appointed by the RAF to treat
0:22:05 > 0:22:07badly burned aircrew.
0:22:07 > 0:22:10The Battle of Britain led to rising numbers of young pilots
0:22:10 > 0:22:13with life changing injuries.
0:22:13 > 0:22:15Most were fighter pilots.
0:22:15 > 0:22:20By the end of the War, the majority were from bomber command.
0:22:21 > 0:22:24McIndoe's patients became known as his "guinea pigs"
0:22:24 > 0:22:28because of the experimental plastic surgery they had.
0:22:28 > 0:22:30He encouraged them to form the so-called Guinea Pig
0:22:30 > 0:22:32Club, a social club.
0:22:32 > 0:22:36By the end of the war it had 649 members.
0:22:47 > 0:22:5175 years after the Guinea Pig Club was formed, Sandy feels it's time
0:22:51 > 0:22:55the severely burned airmen should be given a permanent tribute.
0:22:55 > 0:22:59With his wife Maggie, they've come to see it taking shape
0:22:59 > 0:23:02at Graeme Mitcheson's workshop in Leicestershire.
0:23:02 > 0:23:04You've got the drama.
0:23:04 > 0:23:08Yes, we've got quite sharp flames here and thinning out to a more
0:23:08 > 0:23:12puffy smoke at the top.
0:23:12 > 0:23:17It just catching that drama of how a lot of the injuries were obtained.
0:23:22 > 0:23:26I commissioned this memorial because if I hadn't done
0:23:26 > 0:23:30so, nobody else would.
0:23:30 > 0:23:34'At East Grinstead, newly knighted Sir Archibald McIndoe,
0:23:34 > 0:23:37meets members 'of the Guinea Pig Club.
0:23:37 > 0:23:44'His magic hands have given new limbs and new faces 'to burned
0:23:44 > 0:23:46and mutilated airmen.
0:23:46 > 0:23:47During World War II,
0:23:47 > 0:23:50McIndoe was based at the Queen Victoria Hospital in East
0:23:50 > 0:24:00Grinstead.
0:24:02 > 0:24:05It's still a leading centre for the treatment of burns injuries.
0:24:05 > 0:24:06Welcome, gentlemen.
0:24:06 > 0:24:08How lovely to see you at the Queen Vic.
0:24:08 > 0:24:09Good to see you again.
0:24:09 > 0:24:12We have a box here of McIndoe's original instruments that have just
0:24:12 > 0:24:16come from the museum and I thought we'd have a look at what is similar
0:24:16 > 0:24:19and what is different to what I use on a daily basis.
0:24:19 > 0:24:20There's a lot of these I recognise.
0:24:20 > 0:24:22Here's a standard pair of McIndoe's forceps.
0:24:22 > 0:24:25We certainly still use those today.
0:24:25 > 0:24:27It wasn't just the design of McIndoe's instruments that
0:24:27 > 0:24:30were important but also his belief in treating the physical and mental
0:24:30 > 0:24:32scars of his patients.
0:24:32 > 0:24:36He was very much groundbreaking, the idea that the whole patient
0:24:36 > 0:24:38is really important.
0:24:38 > 0:24:41That's now very much the mantra of both burn care
0:24:41 > 0:24:44and the wider NHS now, that the patient should
0:24:44 > 0:24:46be in the centre.
0:24:48 > 0:24:51He was obviously the world's best plastic surgeon.
0:24:51 > 0:24:56You were one of his patients and you were going to recover.
0:24:56 > 0:25:01I think this was the fundamental thing - faith in McIndoe.
0:25:04 > 0:25:08Like Sandy, Roger Chaplin has also been treated at East Grinstead.
0:25:08 > 0:25:13After crashing his private plane, he's had 70 operations so far.
0:25:13 > 0:25:16The Guinea Pig story gives him hope.
0:25:16 > 0:25:21It is quite an inspiration because when you've had a serious
0:25:21 > 0:25:23burn, you're dealing with the aftermath of the burn,
0:25:23 > 0:25:30it's very easy to get into a very low situation psychologically.
0:25:30 > 0:25:35To see that they can come through that particular low and come
0:25:35 > 0:25:39out on the other side and go on to manage to have a decent
0:25:39 > 0:25:43and fulfilling life afterwards, it's very important and very uplifting.
0:25:46 > 0:25:50Sandy's mission to have a memorial is nearing completion.
0:25:50 > 0:25:53He's managed to raise ?20,000 to pay for it.
0:25:53 > 0:25:58The edge traces the profile of McIndoe's face.
0:25:58 > 0:26:00And here's McIndoe.
0:26:00 > 0:26:05His hands touched me and now I'm touching him.
0:26:05 > 0:26:07Doesn't half bring back memories.
0:26:15 > 0:26:17The day of the unveiling at the National Memorial
0:26:17 > 0:26:19Arboretum in Staffordshire.
0:26:19 > 0:26:23The Duke of Edinburgh became president of the Guinea Pig Club
0:26:23 > 0:26:25on McIndoe's death.
0:26:25 > 0:26:28He's here to pay his respects alongside some of the last surviving
0:26:28 > 0:26:30Guinea Pig Club members.
0:26:37 > 0:26:40It's very appropriate, I think.
0:26:40 > 0:26:44The bottom bit, an aircraft going down in flames.
0:26:44 > 0:26:48I'm only a lightly toasted one.
0:26:48 > 0:26:50It's overwhelming really.
0:26:50 > 0:26:56I'm very grateful to be able to live to see it unveiled.
0:26:56 > 0:27:00I'm glad I took the initiative.
0:27:02 > 0:27:07McIndoe inspired Sandy to train as a GP after the War.
0:27:07 > 0:27:10He practised in Nottingham for 40 years.
0:27:10 > 0:27:12It looks the same...
0:27:12 > 0:27:17Exactly the same as the one I last flew.
0:27:17 > 0:27:22Now, at 94, he has terminal cancer, but he has one more chance
0:27:22 > 0:27:25to fly in a Tiger Moth.
0:27:33 > 0:27:36It just brings it all back.
0:27:36 > 0:27:38Yes.
0:27:38 > 0:27:41I wish I were young again.
0:27:50 > 0:27:53Sandy's trecked the Himalayas, sailed the Atlantic
0:27:53 > 0:27:56and skied until he was 82.
0:27:56 > 0:27:59He's led the full and active life McIndoe wanted his
0:27:59 > 0:28:01Guinea Pigs to lead.
0:28:04 > 0:28:07And now his final mission is complete.
0:28:07 > 0:28:11There's a place where the injured airmen will always be remembered.
0:28:20 > 0:28:23And we know that Sandy is watching this so from all
0:28:23 > 0:28:26of us at Inside Out, we would like to wish him well
0:28:26 > 0:28:29and congratulate him on a mission accomplished.
0:28:29 > 0:28:31That's it from us for this week.
0:28:31 > 0:28:35Here's a sneak preview of what's coming up on next week's programme.
0:28:38 > 0:28:40Good boy, Yoyo.
0:28:40 > 0:28:43We're out with the sniffer dogs tracking down the secret
0:28:43 > 0:28:46stashes of illegal tobacco on our high street.
0:28:46 > 0:28:51Wherever I go in the UK, there are always links back to Derby.
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