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:00:05. > :00:09.Hello and welcome to the start of the new series. I'm in Cambridge.

:00:09. > :00:15.This is what is coming up tonight on Inside Out.

:00:15. > :00:20.Going dry, I agreed to give up alcohol for one month. Find out if

:00:20. > :00:24.I stayed dry for December. We also hear the dangers of

:00:24. > :00:28.drinking and how many of us drink dangerously high levels of alcohol.

:00:28. > :00:33.Apple is probably one of the biggest threats to the nation at

:00:33. > :00:38.the moment. -- alcohol. And the man who made the unusual sounds of

:00:38. > :00:48.behind the biggest names in rock music.

:00:48. > :00:59.

:00:59. > :01:03.These are the stories from where we I bet like a lot of people, you are

:01:03. > :01:07.on the wagon for January. Lots of those over in data at Christmas and

:01:07. > :01:12.then pledged to spend the next month detox -- detoxing. But what

:01:12. > :01:16.if somebody asked you to lay off booze for December? That is what

:01:16. > :01:24.happened to me. Most of us think that drinking is not a problem and

:01:24. > :01:28.we forget that it can be dangerous. As a social experiment, I was asked

:01:28. > :01:32.to have a dry December. Good morning, it is Saturday. I

:01:32. > :01:39.hope you are well. I may be a radio and TV presenter,

:01:39. > :01:46.but my life is like most other people's. I go to work, spent time

:01:46. > :01:51.with my family in and when I have a few moments of despair, I like to

:01:51. > :01:56.relax. For me, that means heading to the Norfolk coast for a bit of

:01:56. > :02:01.surfing. Also like most people, I enjoy a drink, not excessively, but

:02:01. > :02:05.I probably have one or two glasses most days. But is it doing the harm

:02:05. > :02:10.and could I live without it? To find out, I was challenged to

:02:10. > :02:16.abstain for a month, but not just any month, the month we are told to

:02:17. > :02:21.eat, drink and be merry, December. All will be the hardest part?

:02:21. > :02:26.Christmas Day. Coming out with you guys will be difficult. Christmas

:02:26. > :02:31.has always been a traditional thing. Nick's birthday, we go out and

:02:31. > :02:35.combine a Christmas and birthday event. Then it is Christmas Eve,

:02:35. > :02:40.Christmas Day, Boxing Day and year's Eve. You are starting to

:02:40. > :02:45.think about it more now! We will come round tomorrow evening and

:02:45. > :02:49.pick up the four crates of beer in your laundry room. The most

:02:49. > :02:57.difficult thing is when you have had a busy day at work and you feel

:02:57. > :03:01.like sitting down and having a nice cold drink. It will be an

:03:01. > :03:07.interesting social experiment to see if a regular guy like him who

:03:07. > :03:11.enjoys a beer with his friends can pack it in for a month. But there

:03:11. > :03:16.is a serious message behind the challenge. At I would say that

:03:16. > :03:20.alcohol is one of the biggest threats to the nation. Around one

:03:20. > :03:25.in four adults are drinking above the recommended guidelines. The

:03:25. > :03:28.rise in the liver disease is well reported and a lot of people do

:03:28. > :03:31.associate alcohol with harming deliver. But I don't think a lot of

:03:31. > :03:35.people understand all realise the impact that it can have on the rest

:03:35. > :03:39.of the body. So what effect has alcohol had on

:03:39. > :03:43.my body? Has social drinking already affected my health? Since

:03:43. > :03:46.giving up for a month is partly a sign to the experiment, I went for

:03:46. > :03:54.a check-up. What tests will you be doing?

:03:54. > :04:00.for blood count, and a liver test. So how many samples of blood we

:04:00. > :04:07.have to take? Just two bottles! Habit of the bottles? Could you

:04:07. > :04:13.give up drink for one month. don't drink, I have never drank.

:04:13. > :04:20.Why is that? It has just never been something I like. I am doubly so I

:04:20. > :04:23.have never feel -- felt that I needed to drink to have a good time.

:04:23. > :04:27.Do you see more people coming here thinking they may have a problem

:04:27. > :04:33.because they drink too much? Absolutely. A long time ago, it was

:04:33. > :04:39.never like that. Now, it is so much more stressful, the society, and

:04:39. > :04:45.there is a lot of pressure. Yes, absolutely, people tend to go home

:04:45. > :04:51.and have a drink. David, tell me about how much you

:04:51. > :04:57.drink a day. D a drink regularly? would say I probably drink a bit

:04:57. > :05:02.more than his recommended. It is sometimes a 20 or 30 units in a

:05:02. > :05:08.week. Over the week, I mainly drink beer, maybe a bottle or two, a

:05:08. > :05:14.glass also of wine at the weekend. A look to your observations and

:05:14. > :05:19.results. -- I looked at your observations. Your oxygen level in

:05:19. > :05:24.the blood is very good, 97 %. Your pulse rate is 52, which tells me

:05:24. > :05:29.that you are probably very active and exercise regularly. It

:05:29. > :05:37.indicates a very good, healthy heart. My slight concern is your

:05:37. > :05:41.blood pressure which was slightly rapes to -- raised the someone of

:05:41. > :05:48.your age. Alcohol can affect your brain, your heart, your liver, your

:05:48. > :05:51.pancreas, bones, skin, nerves. It can effectively damaged all of your

:05:51. > :05:56.system. Be government's chief medical officer recommends men

:05:56. > :06:02.should drink no more than three or four units of alcohol a day, with

:06:02. > :06:07.two or three for women. One unit is the equivalent of half a pint of

:06:07. > :06:10.the West End beer or a shot of spirits. But a report out today is

:06:11. > :06:15.urging the government to review the guidelines and people should be

:06:15. > :06:20.advised to take at least two alcohol-free days a week. But for

:06:20. > :06:24.me, it is not two days, it is an entire month. Luckily I am not

:06:24. > :06:30.alone: I will be joining other BBC presenters in abstaining from drink

:06:30. > :06:36.during the festive season. I have not had a month without

:06:36. > :06:41.alcohol since I was 18. I have no idea what to expect. It could be

:06:42. > :06:46.really hard for really easy. not sure that easy would be the

:06:46. > :06:52.right word. I have given up for a month before, it was two years ago,

:06:52. > :06:55.but not in December. Bearing in the -- bearing in mind when December is

:06:55. > :07:01.the time people go out for a drink with Christmas parties, Christmas

:07:01. > :07:05.Day with the family, you want to take the edge off. There is a

:07:05. > :07:10.reason why you do not see these people for the rest of the year!

:07:10. > :07:16.We have all met up the night before going on the wagon to give each

:07:16. > :07:21.other moral support. As the only father, Dave is destroyed. Once he

:07:21. > :07:27.has put the baby to bed, I have friends who are parents and they

:07:27. > :07:30.just run to the fridge! But I was in for a shop: I was also meeting a

:07:30. > :07:36.forensic photographer arm was about to discover what my face could look

:07:36. > :07:45.like a fight drank heavily for the next 10 years.

:07:45. > :07:49.No way! No, come on. That is not right. This is a worst-case

:07:49. > :07:54.scenario. If you carry on drinking a lot for the next 10 years, that

:07:54. > :07:58.is how you will look. I am 34 now so that is what I will look like at

:07:58. > :08:02.44? You could be. You have health warnings telling you not to drink

:08:02. > :08:06.too much, but when you actually see the effect it can have on me

:08:06. > :08:16.physically, that is far more powerful than a just thinking about

:08:16. > :08:35.

:08:35. > :08:39.It is the 1st December. It is the morning after the night before. I

:08:40. > :08:44.sound a little rough, I look a little rough. I consumed one too

:08:44. > :08:52.many beers last tonight. I saw November out with a bang and I have

:08:52. > :08:58.a headache now. Drink three December, he we come. Not a moment

:08:58. > :09:02.too soon. My first job was to face up to my

:09:02. > :09:12.demons: Just how much to why drink in one month? There was only one

:09:12. > :09:13.

:09:13. > :09:19.way to find out. It is all here. OK, that is not much more than the

:09:19. > :09:24.recommended amount of alcohol for a man over a month, not much more,

:09:24. > :09:30.bearing in mind it is Christmas. When it is laid out like that, it

:09:30. > :09:35.is quite shocking. You don't want to see your empty

:09:35. > :09:39.bottles either, do you? This experiment is very interesting. I

:09:39. > :09:45.think a lot of people revolt their social lives around alcohol, going

:09:45. > :09:48.out at dinner, meeting up for a drink, so it would be good for

:09:48. > :09:53.people to take a step back and see what life would be like without

:09:53. > :09:58.alcohol. Waking up without a hangover could present so many new

:09:58. > :10:03.opportunities. I love that song, it is so

:10:03. > :10:06.Christmas the, so ridiculous as well. Wizzard: I Wish It Could Be

:10:07. > :10:10.Christmas Every Day.. Talking of Christmas, I am a few days into not

:10:10. > :10:16.drinking for accent -- of December and I have support for -- from

:10:16. > :10:20.someone who listens to the show. Thank you for saying you will give

:10:20. > :10:25.up alcohol just like I am. I have never done anything like

:10:25. > :10:29.this in terms of not taking a drink in December. When I realised you

:10:30. > :10:34.were doing it, I thought it was a good idea. Also, I would like to

:10:34. > :10:38.shed a few pounds and the lack of alcohol certainly goes a long way

:10:38. > :10:44.towards that end. How are you feeling mentally? I'm starting to

:10:44. > :10:47.get a bit tetchy. My wife did say last night that she found me a bit

:10:47. > :10:53.irritable when I would not have been before. It is having the same

:10:53. > :10:59.effect. Honestly, I feel like I'm getting my nap about things that I

:10:59. > :11:04.would not have been before. -- wound-up. Maybe it is withdrawal

:11:04. > :11:10.symptoms, but I am feeling wound up a few days later as well. I'm at a

:11:10. > :11:17.Christmas party. I thought I would be OK, but I am

:11:17. > :11:21.fed up, to be honest. Anyone else is having a drink. My wife is

:11:21. > :11:27.abstaining as well, so she is not drinking. But look, everyone is

:11:27. > :11:32.having a drink. Would you like a drink? Everyone keeps saying that,

:11:32. > :11:37.would you like a drink? A just a soft one. Everyone keeps saying

:11:37. > :11:42.that, I don't want to drink. They keep waving away -- the wine and

:11:42. > :11:46.beer in my face. I knew this was going to be tough so I just have to

:11:46. > :11:56.get on with it. It is sad but I need a drink to feel buoyant, I

:11:56. > :11:59.

:11:59. > :12:02.thought I would be OK, but that is And a few people were not very kind,

:12:02. > :12:07.they kept coming up and asking him if he wanted a drink. And also I

:12:07. > :12:10.did have a glass of white wine. That is the only one though.

:12:10. > :12:15.The Friday before Christmas and I am off out for the annual pre-

:12:15. > :12:25.Christmas drinks with the guys. It is also one of the guy's birthdays.

:12:25. > :12:26.

:12:26. > :12:35.The first year I am the designated Merry Christmas. And the Inside Out

:12:35. > :12:39.crew. I thought that it would be much easier than it has been so far.

:12:39. > :12:44.There have been a couple of points that I wanted a drink to be honest.

:12:44. > :12:49.I think they are surprised that I've done it. Most people have a

:12:49. > :12:53.drink in December and let their hair down. December to me has

:12:53. > :12:59.always been the end of the year, so have a drink, almost to reward

:12:59. > :13:02.yourself getting through another year. I think for a lot of people,

:13:02. > :13:08.there is a picture portrayed in the media that alcohol consumption is

:13:08. > :13:12.the norm and not something that is a problem. But people do need to

:13:12. > :13:20.have a think about drinking patterns. Physically, I feel much

:13:20. > :13:27.better, I do not wake up feeling like I've had a drink. I have a

:13:27. > :13:35.clear head and everyone around me Time for my toughest challenge yet,

:13:35. > :13:39.a whole day surrounded by other people celebrating and drinking. It

:13:39. > :13:46.is Christmas Day. I am wearing one of my new presents. I have come to

:13:46. > :13:51.my aunt and uncle's house and everyone has been drinking all day.

:13:51. > :13:56.But I've not had a drop. Quite difficult at times, but mostly not

:13:56. > :14:00.too bad. Last night was quite difficult being Christmas Eve. I

:14:00. > :14:06.was out in my home town and one of my brother's friends gave me a beer

:14:07. > :14:11.which I couldn't drink. That was difficult. But I'm nearly through.

:14:11. > :14:16.It is nearly 6. Not long to go. And that's Christmas Day out of the way

:14:16. > :14:21.and only six more days to go. It is the 30th of December, nearly

:14:21. > :14:31.the end of dry December. Two days ago, I came back to get my last lot

:14:31. > :14:38.of blood samples taken. Time to Good to see you. I can't believe a

:14:38. > :14:43.month has flown by. How has it been for the past month without alcohol?

:14:43. > :14:48.To be honest with you, there have been some trying times. Six or

:14:48. > :14:53.seven times, I did find it hard. The good news is that I can see you

:14:53. > :14:58.have lost a fair amount of weight in the time. It's amazing. I didn't

:14:58. > :15:02.think I had a lot of weight to lose, but I have lost about half a stone.

:15:02. > :15:06.What has been the most significant change in my health? I am very

:15:06. > :15:14.impressed with the reduction in your blood pressure. Interestingly,

:15:14. > :15:19.after four weeks, it has come down quite significantly. We normally

:15:19. > :15:25.have to consider drugs to bring it down. That is an extraordinary

:15:25. > :15:29.result. I did not expect a month without alcohol to have such an

:15:29. > :15:34.impact. With my blood pressure down to such an extent, I would have had

:15:34. > :15:40.to take regular medication to achieve the same results. It is the

:15:40. > :15:44.end of dry December. Gone midnight. It has been made pretty easy by the

:15:44. > :15:50.fact that my wife gave up drink with me. Well, she had two glasses

:15:50. > :15:54.of wine that I know about through December. In the New Year, I'm not

:15:54. > :16:03.going to drink as much as I used to. But you wouldn't grudge me a drink

:16:03. > :16:13.right now. Well, I hope not. I will just say, Happy New Year. Mission

:16:13. > :16:30.

:16:30. > :16:35.Doesn't taste as nice as I remember it! I was really surprised about

:16:35. > :16:38.that. Two people who follow me on Twitter reckoned that if I can give

:16:38. > :16:41.up booze for December, they can give it up for January. There is a

:16:41. > :16:44.special programme on BBC Four on Wednesday night, 100 Years of

:16:44. > :16:54.Boozing. If you think there is something we should investigate on

:16:54. > :16:55.

:16:55. > :16:58.Back in the 1960s, music was being revolutionised. Bands like Pink

:16:58. > :17:02.Floyd and The Who were using the most amazing sounds to enhance

:17:02. > :17:07.their music. The sounds were generated by the first computers

:17:07. > :17:17.and they were made by composer Peter Zinovieff. He's still making

:17:17. > :17:18.

:17:18. > :17:28.These may seem like weird sounds to some of us, but this man has made a

:17:28. > :17:31.career of making music from unexpected places. It has led him

:17:31. > :17:34.to work with some of the biggest names in the music industry. What a

:17:34. > :17:38.machine. This is marvellous. It is terrific any chance of starting it?

:17:38. > :17:48.I should think there is, yes, shall we try for you? That would be great,

:17:48. > :17:51.

:17:51. > :17:54.and can I record it? Why certainly, Peter Zinovieff is a composer, but

:17:54. > :18:04.the way he creates his music is far from conventional.

:18:04. > :18:08.

:18:08. > :18:12.from conventional. The start-up was incredible and I

:18:12. > :18:15.think there are going to be lots of little bits which will have their

:18:15. > :18:18.own individual sounds, so I'm going to listen to parts and put the

:18:18. > :18:21.microphone as a contact microphone on various parts and see what we

:18:21. > :18:26.can assemble from that. Most people who visit the Cambridge

:18:26. > :18:34.Museum of Technology do so because of a fascination with the past. But

:18:34. > :18:38.Peter is a pioneer, a pioneer of the future of sound.

:18:38. > :18:41.Putney, where Peter Zinovieff has a hobby that's strictly for boffins.

:18:41. > :18:47.He keeps it in his garden shed and it's called Digital PdP 8/S. Yes,

:18:47. > :18:51.it's a computer and it has a hobby too composing music.

:18:51. > :18:57.Back in the 1960s, Peter was one of the first people in the world to

:18:57. > :18:59.realise electronics would change the sound of music for ever. And

:18:59. > :19:03.the inventions he created transformed the way a whole

:19:03. > :19:06.generation of musicians worked. was originally a geologist and I

:19:06. > :19:14.studied at Oxford University and there I had a sort of band with a

:19:14. > :19:24.biscuit tin. It was an experimental band and so the biscuit tin led

:19:24. > :19:24.

:19:24. > :19:27.towards electronics. So I think it was an obvious transition. Geology

:19:27. > :19:30.to biscuit tin to electronic music - that's what happened.

:19:30. > :19:36.In the early days, Peter's biggest challenge was to find ways of

:19:36. > :19:39.controlling all the sounds his electronic devices were creating.

:19:39. > :19:45.There was only one solution a computer, something that was not as

:19:45. > :19:48.easy to get hold of as it is today. So I got the first computer which

:19:48. > :19:52.was a PdP8s 4K of memory, that's 4,000 bits of memory compared to

:19:52. > :20:02.God knows how many trillions now, and it was the first computer in a

:20:02. > :20:02.

:20:02. > :20:05.private house in the world. Peter helps with the ideas, but the

:20:05. > :20:15.actual performance is all Digital's work. Its latest piece is called

:20:15. > :20:19.

:20:19. > :20:22.Everything is tuned up and now it's over to you, maestro.

:20:22. > :20:29.In 1967, Peter achieved a musical first a sell out concert at

:20:29. > :20:31.London's Queen Elizabeth Hall performed entirely by a computer.

:20:31. > :20:34.The next item, Partita For Unattended Computer by Peter

:20:34. > :20:40.Zinovieff is a true live performance in the sense that no

:20:40. > :20:43.magnetic tape is being used at all. Furthermore, the computer has a

:20:43. > :20:48.choice at various stages in the procedure and the piece therefore

:20:48. > :20:56.comes out different every time it's played. The performance you are

:20:56. > :20:59.about to hear is therefore unique BLEEPING AND WHIRRING.

:20:59. > :21:02.The first live performance by a computer was very strange indeed

:21:02. > :21:05.and when I think of it, what I really remember is the huge amount

:21:05. > :21:15.of schlepping, carrying these huge great machines and wiring them.

:21:15. > :21:16.

:21:16. > :21:20.they were very important these concerts. Electronic music does

:21:20. > :21:23.excite me very much. I'm basically a scientist as well as a musician

:21:23. > :21:26.and so I like to get to grips with the scientific aspects and also

:21:26. > :21:33.because the degree of experimentation and the freedom I'm

:21:33. > :21:40.allowed in electronic music is very great.

:21:40. > :21:43.So explain how this would work then. Real sounds have got inside them an

:21:43. > :21:47.enormous amount of complexity and so you can analyse, go deep inside

:21:47. > :21:53.them and find sort of hidden secrets.

:21:53. > :21:56.DISTORTED VOICE. This composition, Bridges To

:21:56. > :22:01.Somewhere And To Somewhere Else was created by Peter for a giant sound

:22:01. > :22:05.sculpture. The first part of it takes a

:22:05. > :22:14.recording by Bela Bartok of a folk song which he did on a wire

:22:14. > :22:17.recorder in the late 1930s. So then I resynthsised his voice. I took

:22:17. > :22:27.out the elements of it, re-made it into a trumpet and then used this

:22:27. > :22:30.as a basis for a sort of orchestrated piece. Although

:22:30. > :22:33.Peter's passion is his experimental music, his claim to fame is for

:22:33. > :22:42.helping create something that was to revolutionise the world of music

:22:42. > :22:49.synthesisers such as the VCS3. It's quite strange that he will be

:22:49. > :22:53.remembered for something he never really set out to be remembered for.

:22:53. > :22:56.The design and building of the EMS synth was really a way to raise

:22:56. > :23:01.money so he could fund his studio and the development of his avant

:23:01. > :23:03.garde music. He had these wonderful computer based systems, not just

:23:03. > :23:09.years, but decades before anybody else had thought of using computers

:23:09. > :23:15.in this way. So this is the legendary VCS3. How

:23:15. > :23:20.does it work? It's a superb creator of sound effects and sci- fi movie

:23:20. > :23:23.type of sound effects. Then it started being integrated into the

:23:23. > :23:29.rock music of the time, so a very famous sound which could have come

:23:29. > :23:38.off a science fiction movie sound track.

:23:38. > :23:41.INTRO MUSIC PLAYS: "Silver Machine" by Hawkwind.

:23:41. > :23:49.Bands of the time, bands like Hawkwind started adopting this and

:23:49. > :23:57.You can create sounds out of the VCS3 which would have been very,

:23:57. > :24:05.very hard to generate in any other So all of these different panels on

:24:05. > :24:15.the synthesiser have particular For example, I can increase the

:24:15. > :24:25.

:24:25. > :24:32.Change the tone to make it brighter And there adjust the signal to

:24:32. > :24:35.create the types of sound we want. As well as the VCS 3, there was

:24:35. > :24:43.also a more portable version the Synthi promoted as being the answer

:24:43. > :24:53.to all your musical needs. This is a very old Synthi A. It was the

:24:53. > :24:57.

:24:57. > :25:00.second model we produced. So then I can get an effect using a joystick

:25:00. > :25:03.as a voltage control. Paul McCartney and The Who, Pink Floyd

:25:03. > :25:13.especially had a lot of these. I suppose the best example might be

:25:13. > :25:14.

:25:14. > :25:16.Dark Side Of The Moon. There were some incredible effects in that.

:25:16. > :25:20.That's perhaps the most famous single example of these machines

:25:20. > :25:23.being used. The Synthi A had a little built-in keyboard and it was

:25:23. > :25:26.the first sequencer I think. I just plugged this up and started playing

:25:26. > :25:29.one sequence of it and Roger immediately picked up his ears.

:25:29. > :25:35.That sounded good. A series of notes played in slowly, triggering

:25:35. > :25:40.a noise generator and oscillators and then just speeded up, you know.

:25:40. > :25:43.There you've got it, basically. And in particular, they used one of the

:25:43. > :25:46.EMS synthesisers for the track On The Run which used a sequencer to

:25:46. > :25:56.drive that constant de-la-de-la sound and then added sounds on top

:25:56. > :25:57.

:25:57. > :26:00.But there were a lot of other bands experimenting with them in

:26:00. > :26:05.different ways. Brian Eno in Roxy Music was using it for sound

:26:05. > :26:07.effects. Tangerine Dream on the more electronic European scene were

:26:07. > :26:13.using them for effects. David Bowie dabbled with them.

:26:13. > :26:16.I wasn't very interested in pop music. And so one of the worst

:26:16. > :26:22.things was when people came with these huge lots of tapes that I had

:26:22. > :26:26.to listen to and I wanted to get on with my own work. For you, this was

:26:26. > :26:29.a means to an ends, if you like, really? It was. You are quite right.

:26:29. > :26:34.Every time a pop group bought one of these, I thought, what research

:26:34. > :26:36.can we now do? And in the main studio, lots of composers, like

:26:36. > :26:44.Stockhausen or Harrison Birtwhistle, people would come and work without

:26:44. > :26:47.having to pay, with their compositions. So it was a free

:26:47. > :26:51.studio in that way, but finance was derived from selling these machines,

:26:51. > :26:53.yes. Despite being years ahead of the game, EMS studios went bust in

:26:53. > :26:56.1979. For years, Peter gave up composing electronic music, it was

:26:56. > :27:01.simply too expensive to buy the equipment. And that could have been

:27:01. > :27:03.the end of the story. But 30 years on, EMS synthesisers have achieved

:27:03. > :27:07.almost mythical status and the arrival of powerful home computers

:27:07. > :27:09.has allowed Peter to return to what he loves most pushing forward the

:27:09. > :27:19.frontiers of electronic music, including his latest work based on

:27:19. > :27:21.

:27:21. > :27:24.the Victorian gas pump engine. what I've done is take the end of

:27:24. > :27:33.the engine where it slows down because there's a marvellous sound.

:27:33. > :27:38.Look, let me play it to you. LOW-PITCHED GRAVELLY TONES.

:27:38. > :27:40.So the thing feels it's falling and falling in pitch. It isn't really,

:27:41. > :27:43.it only falls a little bit and gives the appearance of falling,

:27:43. > :27:46.but because it's slowing down, because the loudness is changing

:27:46. > :27:56.the whole thing, it sounds like you are descending into terrible,

:27:56. > :28:02.

:28:02. > :28:05.It's a very emotional sound. who would have thought that you

:28:05. > :28:08.could create such beautiful sounds from a pump engine? It's wonderful

:28:08. > :28:13.what you can get from almost anything if you go really deep into

:28:13. > :28:23.the sound itself. Maybe every orchestra should have one? I think

:28:23. > :28:24.

:28:24. > :28:34.The wonderful, haunting sounds of Peter Zinovieff. I'll be back next

:28:34. > :28:35.

:28:35. > :28:39.When is a village green not a village green? It's about

:28:39. > :28:42.protecting our green space, a piece of land that we have loved and used