:00:05. > :00:11.By 2030, 60% more people across the East will be over 70. How will we
:00:11. > :00:18.care for them? You've got to really love somebody. It is hard, very
:00:18. > :00:23.hard. You need all the help you can get. With less public money to go
:00:23. > :00:28.round, we meet the people who care for free. And we look at a radical
:00:28. > :00:34.solution being tried in Essex that doesn't cost taxpayers a penny.
:00:34. > :00:41.quality of life has risen like that. We laugh, he makes me roar with
:00:41. > :00:45.laughter. Sometimes I make you roar with laughter. Yes, when you tell
:00:45. > :00:48.dirty jokes. And he's in the running for the top job within the
:00:48. > :00:52.Church of England. The Bishop of Norwich shows us what a bishop
:00:52. > :01:02.really does. They are the stories that matter where we live here, in
:01:02. > :01:12.
:01:12. > :01:17.Hello, welcome to the start of the new series. I'm in Cromer on the
:01:17. > :01:21.North Norfolk coast. With more and more of us living longer, and less
:01:21. > :01:23.public money going round, caring for those in need is a huge
:01:23. > :01:26.challenge and later we'll be looking at some radical solutions.
:01:26. > :01:32.First, where better to see the scale of the problem than here,
:01:32. > :01:35.where over a third of the population are over 65. We have
:01:35. > :01:45.been to see how families and the local council are facing the
:01:45. > :01:55.challenge. Who are you? I'm Debbie, you know that. I am the lady that
:01:55. > :01:56.
:01:56. > :02:02.Julia Earwaker has dementia. Four hours a week, a paid carer comes to
:02:02. > :02:08.give her husband Peter a break. For the rest of the time, he has to
:02:08. > :02:14.care for her. She can't remember things, which has got a lot worse.
:02:14. > :02:18.She doesn't always know who I am. She does use terms of endearment
:02:18. > :02:21.towards me, so there is a little something there all the time. She's
:02:21. > :02:31.very confused, can't use the telephone, I have to take her to
:02:31. > :02:35.
:02:35. > :02:45.Lots of things like that. She sleeps a lot, gets tired very
:02:45. > :02:46.
:02:46. > :02:50.quickly and she is becoming Like Julia, the majority of people
:02:50. > :02:56.who need care, receive it at home. Her care is provided by a private
:02:56. > :03:00.company and costs about �17 an hour. Peter pays for it himself.
:03:00. > :03:09.funding it by an insurance policy we paid into when I took early
:03:09. > :03:17.retirement in 1995. We didn't spend a lot of money on other things so
:03:17. > :03:23.we thought this would be a good thing to put by for. If you hadn't?
:03:23. > :03:29.I wouldn't even contemplate it. most people rely on care paid for
:03:29. > :03:31.by their local authority. This is Sheringham on the Norfolk coast.
:03:32. > :03:34.North Norfolk has the highest proportion of elderly people in the
:03:34. > :03:43.region, but like all councils, Norfolk County Council are cutting
:03:43. > :03:51.their budget, including the budget Norfolk's Adult Social Care Budget
:03:51. > :03:54.of �213 million is being cut this year by more than 9%. Most of the
:03:54. > :03:57.care is delivered for Local Authorities by private companies.
:03:57. > :04:02.Even before the cuts, some of the companies struggled to provide a
:04:02. > :04:05.good level of service. According to one carer, the squeeze on budgets
:04:05. > :04:10.at her previous employer often gave her less than 15 minutes with
:04:10. > :04:20.clients. In your old job, when you got up to work in the morning, how
:04:20. > :04:22.
:04:22. > :04:26.did you feel? I'd feel sick, I'd look at my rota. There would be 15
:04:26. > :04:31.calls on there. I know I couldn't do my job properly because of the
:04:31. > :04:40.time restrictions. Some of the calls are quite short. 15-30
:04:40. > :04:45.minutes. The calls would be back to back. If I finished a call at 9 am,
:04:45. > :04:50.my next call would start at 9am in the morning. It could take me 10 or
:04:50. > :04:57.15 minutes to travel to that call at that time of day. I could only
:04:57. > :04:59.do the best I could. We had no choice but to cut corners. Even
:04:59. > :05:06.when the care is commissioned from private companies, the local
:05:06. > :05:11.authority, in this case, Norfolk Is 15 minutes enough time to spend
:05:11. > :05:13.with an elderly person? 15 minutes is not enough time to spend with an
:05:14. > :05:23.elderly person and we don't commission 15 minute calls except
:05:24. > :05:26.
:05:26. > :05:29.for check calls. We try not to ensure and programme work in a way.
:05:29. > :05:38.There are occasions if someone is checking an older person, it is
:05:38. > :05:42.reasonable to have a 15 minute call. We can't just carry on delivering.
:05:42. > :05:49.We have to change the way we think about that. There is something
:05:49. > :05:57.The reality is that the vast majority of carers are unpaid
:05:57. > :06:01.friends and relatives. Peter is one of them. I am Julia's primary carer.
:06:01. > :06:05.If she wants to go to the toilet, if she wakes up in the night, I
:06:05. > :06:11.have to take her and look after her. You can become really tired, lose
:06:11. > :06:21.motivation. Having people come in like this, it helps to keep you
:06:21. > :06:21.
:06:21. > :06:24.going. I desperately want her to be at home. Using official figures,
:06:24. > :06:27.we've calculated that in 30 years time, more than a quarter of the
:06:27. > :06:34.population is likely to be cared for, or will be caring for
:06:34. > :06:38.relatives, unpaid. Is it appropriate that anything within
:06:38. > :06:43.the scope of this care falls within the remit of volunteers? Maybe
:06:43. > :06:49.there is. This is about communities and communities are about people
:06:49. > :06:53.living together supporting each other. I'm not suggesting we hand
:06:53. > :06:58.formal care over. We are not changing our eligibility criteria
:06:58. > :07:05.for that. People should be provided with as much support early on so
:07:05. > :07:07.that it delays the time they need formal care. The government
:07:07. > :07:14.minister responsible for care services is Norman Lamb, the MP for
:07:14. > :07:16.North Norfolk, where almost a third of his constituents are over 65.
:07:16. > :07:22.How can you expect councils to support more people without giving
:07:22. > :07:29.them more money? What's happening in my own constituency shows the
:07:29. > :07:33.challenges. The government has a responsibility to ensure older
:07:33. > :07:38.people have the care they need so they can grow old in dignity and
:07:38. > :07:46.respect. We have to find the carers available to look after those older
:07:46. > :07:50.people. Part of it will be the family's responsibility. We all
:07:50. > :07:53.take responsibility for our loved ones. The state is there to make
:07:53. > :07:56.sure it works effectively but also to provide support where a family
:07:56. > :08:05.isn't available and people would otherwise not get the care and
:08:05. > :08:14.support needed. There is a big gap between telling local authorities
:08:14. > :08:17.That is why it is important to reform the system. Government has
:08:17. > :08:21.already shifted some resources across from the NHS to support care
:08:21. > :08:29.services. We've, in total, put in �7.2 billion over a four year
:08:29. > :08:33.period to ensure people get the care services they need. We have
:08:33. > :08:38.this crazy situation of a silo with social care and a separate one with
:08:38. > :08:42.health care. They don't see two different systems, they just want
:08:42. > :08:48.to be cared for. No political party of any persuasion in government is
:08:48. > :08:52.in a position to throw more money at this problem. It is about making
:08:52. > :08:57.sure the money we have is spent to best effect so older people get the
:08:57. > :09:01.care they need. If there is no more public money available to help pay
:09:01. > :09:09.for care, then, if we all want more or better care, it's going to be up
:09:09. > :09:12.to ourselves to pay for it, or our The scale of the problem is big and
:09:12. > :09:17.getting bigger, and increasingly the burden will fall on people like
:09:17. > :09:25.Peter. And if you think this will never happen to you, he has some
:09:25. > :09:31.advice. Get your head out of the sand. It will hit you between the
:09:31. > :09:41.eyes like a steam train. The biggest thing about all of it is,
:09:41. > :09:42.
:09:42. > :09:48.it is hard. You've got to really love someone to do this. I know
:09:48. > :09:58.that I am loved back in return. It is hard, very hard. You need all
:09:58. > :09:59.
:09:59. > :10:04.You are watching Inside Out East. Later in the programme, we will
:10:04. > :10:07.have a fascinating insight into the world of a 21st Century Bishop.
:10:07. > :10:17.What is the most unusual request for prayer that you have ever come
:10:17. > :10:18.
:10:18. > :10:21.I think the most tragic is when a child has run away from home and
:10:21. > :10:31.there is a prayer request left and you don't know the background of it
:10:31. > :10:34.
:10:34. > :10:38.and can't contact that person. That Before we meet the bishop, let's go
:10:38. > :10:42.back to that tough question of how we care for an ageing population.
:10:42. > :10:52.Can we find new ways that don't cost anything? Mark Easton has been
:10:52. > :10:55.
:10:55. > :10:59.to see where that is already What it is like to be 80? If I live
:10:59. > :11:04.that long, who's going to be there to care for me when I can't manage?
:11:04. > :11:07.And who is going to pay the bill? They're questions we all ask,
:11:07. > :11:11.because none of us can know how much it's all going to cost and you
:11:11. > :11:14.can spend almost everything before the state steps in. But I'm here in
:11:14. > :11:23.York because in this city, some of the elderly have clubbed together
:11:23. > :11:26.It's a simple idea. Before you get too decrepit, you can apply to live
:11:26. > :11:28.out your days at Hartrigg Oaks, a community run by the Joseph
:11:29. > :11:36.Rowntree Foundation where residents know that if or when they need
:11:36. > :11:44.nursing care, it's available on site at no extra charge. It's not
:11:44. > :11:49.easy to get in, though. You have to pass a medical. And one of the
:11:49. > :11:54.leasehold bungalows needs to be vacant. It pays to apply early. I'm
:11:54. > :11:57.53 and you made the decision to come here at 61. Well it was quite
:11:57. > :12:01.easy for us, because we came here because my parents had died, and
:12:02. > :12:06.suddenly we were the oldest people in our family. We came here and
:12:06. > :12:13.suddenly we were the youngest! So, there were people 40 years older
:12:13. > :12:16.than me! Hartrigg Oaks offers peace of mind to those who can afford it.
:12:16. > :12:20.Residents pay into a communal pot, something like �170 pounds a month
:12:20. > :12:23.for a 60-year-old, a little bit more if you join later. In return
:12:23. > :12:27.they can be confident that whatever happens to them, they won't get
:12:27. > :12:32.clobbered with care fees they can't afford. You're paying effectively
:12:32. > :12:36.care insurance. You pay the same sum, effectively year on year, with
:12:36. > :12:39.small increases which covers your care however much you need. So when
:12:39. > :12:43.you're fit, OK, you pay over the odds, when you need major care you
:12:43. > :12:46.don't pay a penny more for it. those worries that everybody has
:12:46. > :12:49.about what happens, you've answered them? We know where our care will
:12:49. > :12:54.take place, where we'll live when we're crumbling and probably where
:12:54. > :12:57.we'll die. And to me that's great. We've ticked that box, we can get
:12:57. > :13:01.on with living. Of course, as the residents here get older, they're
:13:01. > :13:07.more likely to use the site's care facilities. 85 year-old Theodore
:13:07. > :13:10.has lived at Hartrigg since it opened, 14 years ago. This year,
:13:10. > :13:13.his wife spent over six weeks in the care home and while she was
:13:13. > :13:19.being looked after, he also dipped into the communal pot for the first
:13:19. > :13:25.time. I was offered and found to my surprise it was very welcome care
:13:25. > :13:28.in our bungalow. So you've been paying in all this time,
:13:28. > :13:38.effectively paying over the odds while you were well but now you're
:13:38. > :13:40.
:13:40. > :13:43.getting a bit back? So it seems Seems to me that Hartrigg Oaks is a
:13:43. > :13:48.local solution to what many would argue should be a national, state
:13:48. > :13:52.responsibility, paying for the care of our elderly. But the plain fact
:13:52. > :13:56.is that at a time of cuts to public services, the politicians right now
:13:56. > :14:01.simply cannot agree on where they're going to find the money. So
:14:01. > :14:04.the issue just keeps getting kicked into the long grass. The truth is
:14:04. > :14:09.that, despite the recession, Britain is still many times richer
:14:09. > :14:12.in real terms than it was when today's pensioners were born. We
:14:12. > :14:17.can afford to look after them, but in Westminster, seasoned
:14:17. > :14:21.politicians will tell you that priorities lie elsewhere. Is it
:14:21. > :14:25.just too ridiculous to imagine that the answer to this is just to put
:14:25. > :14:28.taxes up so we can actually pay to look after our elderly? It isn't
:14:28. > :14:32.ridiculous to suggest that we should use the tax system
:14:32. > :14:35.progressively to look after and care for people in old age. It's
:14:35. > :14:40.ridiculous politically because nobody will touch it with a barge
:14:40. > :14:44.pole. Why not? Because people are scared of arguing about tax and
:14:44. > :14:47.spend. They're scared of the consequences at the moment of the
:14:47. > :14:54.economic impact of course, in terms of further depression of our
:14:54. > :14:57.So with taxpayers apparently unable or unwilling to pay for the
:14:57. > :15:03.increasing care demands of the elderly, the search is on for ways
:15:03. > :15:07.to provide help without the need for large amounts of public money.
:15:07. > :15:10.I've come to Wickford in Essex to see one of the country's hundred or
:15:10. > :15:16.so home shares in action, an idea already very popular on the
:15:17. > :15:22.continent. My husband died in 2002. I've had rheumatoid for about 20
:15:22. > :15:27.years. And then gradually I found I was getting worse. My daughter did
:15:27. > :15:32.some research and came up with Share and Care. She rang up one day
:15:32. > :15:42.and said how would you feel about a man? And I thought, a man? A man?
:15:42. > :15:46.
:15:46. > :15:53.80 year-old Iona was matched with 45 year-old Graham, an NHS worker.
:15:53. > :15:57.Crikey. What's the next one? It'll come to me. Liberace! For the last
:15:57. > :16:00.two years, they've lived alongside each other here in Iona's home. The
:16:00. > :16:06.deal is that he lives rent free in return for spending around 10 hours
:16:06. > :16:09.a week helping out. You see the advert and it says, OK, this is not
:16:09. > :16:13.going to be a flat share with another NHS worker, this is going
:16:13. > :16:15.to be living with an older person. Live-in carer, taking care of the
:16:15. > :16:19.chickens, doing some shopping, mowing the lawn, a few repairs and
:16:19. > :16:25.bits and bobs, a bit of company. It's allowed you to stay here in
:16:25. > :16:35.your own home? Well, exactly. I desperately wanted to stay here. I
:16:35. > :16:38.
:16:38. > :16:42.love my house, I intend to be carried out in my coffin from here.
:16:42. > :16:45.You don't have a free board and lodging in return for some chore's
:16:45. > :16:48.relationship. You've become friends! We're friends. He has been
:16:48. > :16:51.absolutely amazing, he's given me my life, my quality of life has
:16:51. > :16:56.risen like that, we laugh, he makes me roar with laughter and sometimes
:16:57. > :17:00.I make you roar with laughter. when you tell dirty jokes! You know
:17:00. > :17:04.it's so nice when you see something that clearly works as well as that
:17:04. > :17:07.does. It's not for everybody. Clearly the older person needs to
:17:07. > :17:10.have a spare room and their needs I think can't be too severe and
:17:10. > :17:14.thirdly and perhaps most importantly, the characters have to
:17:14. > :17:21.be right to get that kind of special relationship. So it is an
:17:21. > :17:24.answer, but it's not the answer. need an imaginative, joined-up
:17:24. > :17:26.holistic answer that mobilises and supports families with caring, that
:17:27. > :17:36.gets the community involved, that gets younger older people who are
:17:36. > :17:39.still active as part of the And over on the Isle of Wight,
:17:39. > :17:45.there's a unique social experiment being piloted that aims to do just
:17:45. > :17:48.that. It's called Care 4 Care and, again, the idea is simple. For
:17:48. > :17:51.every hour of voluntary care that people put in for their elderly
:17:51. > :17:59.neighbours, they build up an hours' worth of care credit that they can
:17:59. > :18:05.keep in a timebank and then use for their own care later in life.
:18:05. > :18:08.Pearl, how are you today? One of the youngest of the 150 or so
:18:08. > :18:13.members who've signed up for the pilot scheme is 36-year old Lewis,
:18:13. > :18:18.who's been helping out 87 year-old, Pearl. I've been coming to see
:18:18. > :18:21.Pearl for about six months now. I've notched up 20 hours and I
:18:21. > :18:26.would like to think that those hours are banked to go towards
:18:26. > :18:29.either helping my mother or helping myself if and when I need it. It
:18:29. > :18:34.can encourage you so much to actually get out there and do
:18:34. > :18:40.something. The thing is my fingers, the top joint doesn't go over, so
:18:40. > :18:44.therefore I can't pick up things properly. I spend quite a lot of
:18:44. > :18:50.time talking to him and he talks to me but that's a big help to me
:18:50. > :18:54.because people don't come. Care4Care is the brainchild of
:18:54. > :19:01.Professor Heinz Woolf, who hopes it will play a key part in solving the
:19:01. > :19:08.care crisis. I hope that over the next three years or so, we will
:19:08. > :19:11.build it into quite a large national scheme. I hope to achieve
:19:11. > :19:16.mass conversions to Care4Care. I hope there might be a million
:19:16. > :19:20.members. The problem is whether the next generation is sufficiently
:19:20. > :19:24.keen to ensure safety in the own age to invest the hours which would
:19:24. > :19:26.buy them their care pension. Here in Westminster of course, the talk
:19:27. > :19:31.is all about cuts and austerity, not spending billions more caring
:19:31. > :19:33.for our elderly. So the responsibility falls on wider
:19:33. > :19:37.society, on communities, on neighbourhoods, on families, to
:19:37. > :19:47.fill that gap and help all of us feel more confident about the
:19:47. > :19:49.
:19:49. > :19:57.There will be more on the issues of elderly care on your radio station
:19:57. > :20:00.On Inside Out, we like to get to know the people at the centre of
:20:00. > :20:03.our communities and we've been allowed to spend a few days with
:20:03. > :20:06.The Right Reverend Graham James, better known as the Bishop of
:20:06. > :20:16.Norwich, and he's also one of the front runners for the top job
:20:16. > :20:18.
:20:18. > :20:28.Just before half seven in the morning and the Bishop of Norwich
:20:28. > :20:28.
:20:28. > :20:32.heads to the Cathedral for morning Bishop Graham is one of the front
:20:32. > :20:42.runners to land the most important job in the Church of England, the
:20:42. > :20:44.
:20:44. > :20:47.post of Archbishop of Canterbury. It would be very odd to say you
:20:47. > :20:50.didn't doubt because the nature of faith isn't as a certainty. There
:20:50. > :20:53.are times when you don't feel connected with God and that is one
:20:53. > :20:56.of the reasons why the life of the Priest contains these significant
:20:56. > :21:01.times of prayer every day to keep in contact with the tradition, to
:21:01. > :21:04.make sure it is a discipline. Bishop, who's now 61, went to
:21:04. > :21:10.school in Northampton before going to University where he got a degree
:21:10. > :21:16.in history. It was there that he decided to enter the church. He
:21:16. > :21:18.became Bishop of Norwich 12 years ago. These are the prayer requests
:21:18. > :21:26.that were left here yesterday afternoon which we include in the
:21:26. > :21:36.intercession. I am having a look. What is the most unusual request
:21:36. > :21:39.
:21:40. > :21:43.I think the most tragic is when a child has run away from home and
:21:43. > :21:52.there is a prayer request left and you don't know the background of it
:21:52. > :22:02.and can't contact the person. That is the most distressing. You get
:22:02. > :22:11.
:22:11. > :22:16.prayers for animals. It is hard to The point of prayer is the same
:22:16. > :22:22.point as saying to somebody who you love, I love you. That doesn't make
:22:22. > :22:25.you love each other more. It is to do with the relationship. If the
:22:26. > :22:29.relationship is that close and if it is grounded in a sense of love
:22:29. > :22:38.and worship, of course, it alters the way in which you live and the
:22:38. > :22:41.way in which you respond to things. It sensitises you to God's presence.
:22:42. > :22:46.As you'd imagine, the Bishop spends a lot of time in church, but that's
:22:46. > :22:51.only part of his job. As well as lots of church administrative work,
:22:51. > :22:56.the Bishop regularly goes out on visits to the community. A warm
:22:56. > :23:01.welcome to Bishop Graham who is the Bishop of Norwich. He is to share
:23:01. > :23:04.most of our morning with us. This is St William's Primary school in
:23:04. > :23:10.Norwich. A pupil asks him about becoming the next Archbishop of
:23:10. > :23:20.Canterbury. Are you really in the running for the Archbishop of
:23:20. > :23:22.
:23:22. > :23:25.Canterbury? So people tell me but Home for the Bishop is this grand
:23:25. > :23:29.house in the grounds of the Norwich Cathedral. The Bishop shares the
:23:29. > :23:35.house with his wife, a nurse at a local hospice. The couple have two
:23:35. > :23:43.grown up children. Some people think you live a privileged life.
:23:43. > :23:50.How does that square with being in touch with the people? You are not
:23:50. > :23:54.given a large house to luxuriate in, you are given it to use. There will
:23:54. > :23:57.be a lot of people here later today for a reception, for meetings and
:23:57. > :24:07.one of the things that is historic about this garden, is that it has
:24:07. > :24:10.been around for a very long time. It is in the heart of Norwich and I
:24:10. > :24:18.am very glad that on almost every weekend during the summer, hundreds
:24:18. > :24:25.of people come and money is raised for different charities. There is a
:24:25. > :24:35.sense of sharing this place with a host of other people. A bishop is
:24:35. > :24:38.given and should be given to The Bishop is one of the most
:24:38. > :24:40.senior figures in the Church of England and is one of the
:24:40. > :24:44.favourites to become the next Archbishop of Canterbury, but
:24:44. > :24:50.although he may be a front runner, he's adamant it's not a job he
:24:50. > :24:56.wants to do. I have made it quite clear that my view is that I am
:24:56. > :24:59.best placed to continue here as Bishop of Norwich. One of the
:24:59. > :25:03.glories of the Church of England is you don't put in applications for
:25:03. > :25:11.anything but you can express your views. I think the Archbishop's job
:25:11. > :25:16.is a vast one. It has a number of different roles. It is one which
:25:16. > :25:19.has very little power but a huge amount of expectation. Also, given
:25:19. > :25:25.travel around the rest of the community, it is physically
:25:25. > :25:31.demanding. When Rowan Williams said you need the constitution of an ox,
:25:31. > :25:35.he was not far out. The Bishop has a small team of people to help him
:25:35. > :25:45.carry out his work, one of them is the Bishop's Chaplain, the Reverend
:25:45. > :25:48.
:25:48. > :25:54.Simon Ward. As a person, he is very clever, immensely perceptive. He
:25:54. > :26:01.has got a memory like an elephant. He doesn't forget things and
:26:01. > :26:08.retains vast amounts of information. He is not especially academic but
:26:08. > :26:13.he is very sharp, very perceptive, remembers things. He has that
:26:13. > :26:17.ability to digest the things that need to be remembered.
:26:17. > :26:19.Although he's no desire to lead the church, it doesn't mean the Bishop
:26:19. > :26:22.is shy about speaking on controversial issues. He's in
:26:22. > :26:31.favour of Women Bishops, although less keen on the idea of gay
:26:31. > :26:36.marriages. But what does the Bishop do in his down time? I love to go
:26:36. > :26:40.to the theatre, I love watching cricket. It is fantastic to go to
:26:40. > :26:49.Lord's in the summer. If I had a more ordered life, I would take
:26:49. > :26:53.part in more amateur dramatics. Both my wife and I a engaged in
:26:53. > :27:02.amateur dramatics before this happened. In retirement, I am
:27:02. > :27:09.looking forward to getting back into a drama group.
:27:09. > :27:13.Within the diocese of Norwich, as I go around, I find an enormous
:27:13. > :27:20.amount of affection for bishop Graham. People know they have a
:27:20. > :27:28.bishop who respects, who trusts and has that ability to say the right
:27:28. > :27:33.thing at the right time and to address people in the right way.
:27:33. > :27:36.The Book of Common Prayer was imposed by bishops on some very
:27:36. > :27:39.unwilling congregations. So, although he says he doesn't
:27:39. > :27:45.want to be the next Archbishop of Canterbury, would he actually
:27:45. > :27:48.refuse if he was asked? I just don't think it is something that I
:27:48. > :27:57.seriously have considered as a possibility for a host of different
:27:57. > :28:01.reasons. It is not an ambition, it's the subject of a good deal of
:28:02. > :28:04.prayer and a lot of thought. My expectation is that the Crown
:28:04. > :28:14.nominations Commission will have the good sense to appoint somebody
:28:14. > :28:16.
:28:16. > :28:19.We should find out who gets the job in the next couple of months. If
:28:19. > :28:22.you've missed any of tonight's programme, its it is on the iPlayer.
:28:22. > :28:26.If you think there is anything you think we should investigate, send
:28:26. > :28:29.us an e-mail. You can tweet me. That is it from Cromer in Norfolk,
:28:30. > :28:32.joined the next week when we will be looking into these stories in
:28:33. > :28:36.the east. We investigate just how many of our treasures are being
:28:36. > :28:40.stolen from museums across the East. We reveal just how close this